Open Thread – Mon 21 Oct 2024


The Course of Empire, The Savage State, Thomas Cole, 1836

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Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 4:18 pm

Lidia doesn’t plan to humiliate herself by standing for re-election.
No doubt something lined up.
https://x.com/RoadknightThe/status/1848537506633170979?t=57plWSSFtZZWHOWta_u6mg&s=19

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 4:20 pm

The lower houses in the states control the presidential election. If you assume the cheating goes on in those states then Trump can still win if he keeps the state houses controlled by the GOP.

Here’s a breakdown of the lower houses (State Houses or Assemblies) in key battleground states for the 2024 election:

1. Arizona:

  • GOP-controlled: The Arizona House of Representatives is controlled by Republicans. The GOP holds a narrow majority in both chambers of the state legislature?
  • .

2. Georgia:

  • GOP-controlled: The Georgia House of Representatives is also dominated by Republicans. The GOP has maintained control of both the state House and Senate for many years, despite the state’s growing competitiveness in national elections?

3. North Carolina:

  • GOP-controlled: The North Carolina House of Representatives is under Republican control, in line with the state’s Senate, making the General Assembly GOP-dominated
  • ?
  • .

4. Michigan:

  • Democratic-controlled: In 2022, the Michigan House of Representatives flipped to Democratic control for the first time in years. Both the state House and Senate are now Democratic?
  • .

5. Pennsylvania:

  • Democratic-controlled: The Pennsylvania House of Representatives is narrowly controlled by Democrats after the 2022 elections. The Senate, however, remains Republican, creating a divided legislature?
  • .

6. Wisconsin:

  • GOP-controlled: The Wisconsin State Assembly (the lower house) is controlled by Republicans, even though the governor’s office is held by a Democrat. This makes Wisconsin’s legislature Republican-leaning overall?
  • .

Summary:

  • GOP-controlled lower houses: Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin.
  • Democratic-controlled lower houses: Michigan, Pennsylvania.

These legislative compositions can impact how these states handle election laws and processes, which is crucial in the tight 2024 race.

Rabz
October 22, 2024 4:21 pm

Quadrant website appears to have been hijacked.

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 4:24 pm

If the Virginia governor and the lower house make sure the real votes are counted, Trump has a shot at winning the state. Rassie had Kamaltoe up 3 about a month ago and she been falling since the day she was ‘appointed”.

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 4:31 pm

U.S. elections are incredibly complicated. I just discovered that Pennsylvania is a “commonwealth” state, and I always thought that was just a fancy title with no real significance. the official name is Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It turns out that the counties have a lot of freedom to determine their own election procedures. It feels like, with just about everything in that country, the details are overwhelmingly complex and sometimes hard to wrap your head around.

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Speedbox
October 22, 2024 4:39 pm

Lysander
October 21, 2024 10:47 pm

A friend of ours has a 16 year old daughter with similar issues. She has been professionally diagnosed (primarily) as bipolar with mild autism. She also has a couple of other issues but all of these are being managed. Outwardly, she appeared fine and a normal teenager but she could fly into rages with obscene and vindictive language with dark threats of potential violence towards the parents and her siblings.

My strong advice is that you and your wife see a professional psychologist firstly to explain the situation. That psychologist will subsequently want to see your daughter and make treatment recommendations. It may transpire that your daughter is simply ‘acting out’ and if so, that can be dealt with. Alternatively, she may have genuine psychological issues over which she has little/no control and it can be a particular environment/stress (even food additives) that will trigger her behavior or, a combination of those and/or other factors.

Most importantly – you are not alone. Kids today grow up in a far more complex world than we did. Most will ride over the bumps but some develop, or may have genetic psychological issues that are triggered, that require professional assistance to be effectively managed.

That young girl I mentioned is under ongoing treatment and is far ‘better’ than she was. She is on some medications and sees her psychologist regularly – she now has a chance of leading a (more or less) productive and fulfilling life.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 4:41 pm

A gorgeous day here in Sydney and there are thousands of people at the Opera House to cheer on King Chuck and Queen Camilla.

Nice, very nice.

I suspect he won’t visit these shores again.

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m0nty
October 22, 2024 4:45 pm

db, about time for a US election predictions thread please.

mizaris
mizaris
October 22, 2024 4:47 pm

It is fascinating to see videos of young kids in their disco gear all with a rifle slung over their shoulders. I assume that they find national service to be burdensome but they appear to just get on with it.

Travelled through Israel many years ago. Bus loads of national service kids at many roadhouse stops. Picnic tables literally PILED with various rifles and semi automatic armaments while the recruits ate their burgers. Roadhouse food not dissimilar to much of ours too.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 5:14 pm

Andrew Lawrence. Outstanding.

The Great British Exodus

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 22, 2024 5:18 pm

Fuc*ing Indians.

4 phone calls trying a scam.

I’m trying hard not to be racist.

cohenite
October 22, 2024 5:18 pm

The Five is nonpareil news commentary with Watters and Gutfeld. Today the black token demorat on the issue of who had the most energy, cackles or Trump, was saying cackles will be in 3 states today….

Gutfeld: 4 if you count inebriation.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
October 22, 2024 5:20 pm

News Flash:
PETA to go after Thorpe for wearing real animal skins during her “protest”.

Sorry. No. Just joking.

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 5:30 pm

Australian takes charge of Disney.

Former Morgan Stanley boss James Gorman will take charge as chairman

A banker from the suburbs of Melbourne has been given the responsibility of steering Disney through one of the toughest succession dramas in corporate America.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 5:41 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 5:42 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 22, 2024 5:48 pm

We attended the Quadrant Dinner last night. A good crowd, enhanced by many young people turning up from the Free Speech Union. Good company in the drinks beforehand, at the table for eight we were on, and in the discussions held on stage between Keith Windschuttle, Margaret Cameron Ash and Nigel Biggar. A good night out for a reasonable expenditure for the food was excellent, better fare than most of these sort of things, and the glitzy ballroom at Tattersalls provided good light for diamonds to sparkle and some amazing dresses to be shown off.

Shame that the website was down for a while, but teething problems for the new look. All ok now.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 6:00 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2024 6:03 pm

Bear at 3:31 (Reply to JC).
Good to hear you are travelling OK.
One big hairy foot in front of the other.
Then repeat.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2024 6:12 pm

Rosie

 October 22, 2024 3:06 pm

Who will draw the short straw?

One of Tom’s toons addressed that issue this morning.
“Don’t pick me!”
I am loving the wishful thinking of “poor IDF morale”.
How is the morale of those in Hamarse who no-one is courageous enough to lead, but are being urged to claim their 72 virgin prize?
How is the morale of those in Hez-ball-less who are now setting their microwave with a broomstick for fear it will explode?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 22, 2024 6:18 pm

Greens deputy leader defends Lidia ThorpeGreens deputy leader Mehreen Faruqi has defended Lidia Thorpe following her Parliament House outburst and slammed Opposition leader Peter Dutton for putting pressure on the independent senator to resign.
‘Peter Dutton and the Liberals calling for Senator Thorpe to resign for telling the truth is contemptible,’ she said.
‘That’s what should be condemned, not a protest against the monarchy.
‘Colonial forces that inflict huge suffering and have committed horrific atrocities on First Nations peoples can’t then complain about protests against them.
‘It is a fact that the British committed genocide here, it is a fact that their racist legacy lives on in Australia today and that should absolutely be resisted and confronted.’

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 22, 2024 6:21 pm

Cheers to the correction earlier, I didn’t know the HAMAS slag was female. Points still stands about a terrorist sympathiser and having a pass to a secure area like an airport. Cassie is spot on too with how she isn’t in irons already for incitement.

A day of planes, trains and automobiles. Spent about an hour in Melbourne CBD, fark what a run down s’hole its turning into. May pen some observations later. Beautiful day for Melbourne standards though.

Next couple of days I’ll be getting radio frequency neurotomy on some pesky vertebrae.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2024 6:22 pm

m0nty
 October 22, 2024 4:45 pm

db, about time for a US election predictions thread please.

Paraphrased:-
“I need another punchbowl to piss in.”

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 6:42 pm

Nice to see Peter Costello, our best ever treasurer, speak up to condemn the Covid response, which pummelled our civil liberties and freedoms.

But why didn’t he speak up during the Covid response to condemn the lockdowns, the vaccine mandates and so on? I only recall his silence. He could have and he should have spoken up during those bleak years.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 6:47 pm
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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 22, 2024 6:58 pm

ABC royalty not happy about royalty.

‘A job for an Aussie’: Republicans call for Australia’s head of state to be changed (Sky News, 22 Oct)

Vice Chairman of the Australian Republican Movement Adam Spencer questioned why King Charles III should be Australia’s head of state.

“He comes about once a decade – is that as often as our head of state should be on our soil?” Mr Spencer said.

“We think it’s a job for Aussie.”

Why should Mr Spencer be on our soil? He should be sent to Somalia, within which he will be happy since it is a republic.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 22, 2024 6:58 pm

Well spotted Cassie.
Costello didn’t have the ticker to challenge Howard or when the time came to defend the human rights of Australian citizens from the two bit dictatorships that pose as state governments.
His post political career is a tramp stamp.

calli
calli
October 22, 2024 7:05 pm

Reflecting on the Thorpse, who knew that bells and motley would morph into possum fur and high heels?

That’s the antipodes for you.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2024 7:10 pm

A devout Catholic former union chief has sparked a mass walkout from an [Australian Catholic University] graduation ceremony as he spoke out against abortion and same-sex marriage.

It would seem you don’t have to be a Catholic to attend & graduate from ACU.

What’s the point then?

(Not having a go just at Catholics….the same question could/should be asked of the church owned school systems.)

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Roger
Roger
October 22, 2024 7:19 pm

Vice Chairman of the Australian Republican Movement Adam Spencer questioned why King Charles III should be Australia’s head of state.

“He comes about once a decade – is that as often as our head of state should be on our soil?” Mr Spencer said.

Many of us view that as an appealing feature rather than a bug of the present arrangement, Adam.

We don’t want a prog-left appointed president regularly haranguing us from a bully pulpit.

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calli
calli
October 22, 2024 7:22 pm

On the positive side for Peter Costello – at least he’s saying something. It seems that every other politician, save a tiny few, are prepared to let the whole thing slide.

I will never forget what they did to me and mine. And others suffered even more, much more.

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Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 7:30 pm

“Because they’re newsworthy. If the rule was do not report what has happened before in war we would not hear of combatants being killed, wounded, surrendering, retreating, advancing, and so on.”
You know I just think there is an agenda here, like the one that constantly claims Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, that 60 to 65 children are being deliberately shot in the head by Israeli snipers every single day, that Gazans were being lead to execution pits to be massacred, that Israel is hiding the true number of IDF casualties etc etc
All to paint the IDF as the incarnation of the SS and that is why golly just fancy IDF soldiers have PTSD! All of them.
Incidentally Israel always published its casualties, just as soon as families are notified.
Meanwhile in Hamasville all we get is a barrage of falsehoods.
The only confirmed hamas casualty is Sinwar!

Today’s breaking story by the way is seven arrests of new Israelis as Iranian Spies, one of whom was a soldier who may well have provided Iran with the information that allowed them to successfully target a mess hall full of 19 year old recruits.
Unlike alleged Spies in Gaza or the west bank, they aren’t being arbitrarily executed as Judaism isn’t a human sacrifice death cult.

Rabz
October 22, 2024 7:34 pm

chrisafooli and the grinning idiot suddenly on Sky.

Off switch hit, toot de sweet.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 22, 2024 7:35 pm

Thus Spake M0ntythustra

Trump 47 would be a disaster due primarily to his insane tariff policy, which would start a worldwide recession. I am not sure how much of his deportation plan would actually be implemented, but to the extent that it would be, it would combine with tariffs to cause a price/wage inflation spiral.

I will try to debate this in the hope I learn something along the way.

One wonders how the tariff policy would start a _worldwide_ recession when the policy is to target particular importing nations on particular value-added goods, not everything. In commodity markets the other exporters would benefit from increased prices when selling to the USA (even without collusion).

As for the illegal immigrants, it really depends on how many are on welfare versus working the low wage jobs. Even then it affects the labour component of retail pricing, while at the same time the energy cost component is supposed to be eventually brought down by DrillBabyDrill.

I’m not convinced Trump is right about saying the exporter will eat the tariff without passing it on to the customer. They may do this if they don’t want to lose marketshare to other exporters, but that is more for commodities than for goods that are more difficult to duplicate like cars.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 7:39 pm

where the IDF has been largely engaged in mopping up operations and not in directly engaged with a near peer enemy in Gaza. 

No, that’s not true. There has been a lot of hand to hand direct combat in Gaza, particularly in the tunnels where IDF soldiers have faced off against Hamas Nazi scum. As recently as August of this year IDF soldiers fought direct hand combat against Hamas Nazi terrorists, because they were desperate to try and reach Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eden Yerushalmi, Ori Danino, Alex Lobanov, Carmel Gat and Almog Sarus. Remember them? Alas the IDF couldn’t make it in time because Hamas Nazi scum dragged out the starved Jews and shot them point blank in the head.

As for fatigue, the IDF is careful to allow soldiers home time, to be with their wives and families. I have a cousin who was in Gaza and is now in Lebanon. His wife is pregnant, and they have time together.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2024 7:39 pm

On the positive side for Peter Costello – at least he’s saying something.

Given the scale of government overreach in complete contradiction of Liberal Party principles, Abbott’s established, sensible pandemic plan which should have been the government’s response & common sense, I’m not inclined to give him a pass here.

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Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 7:41 pm

Oh and when they rescued Noa Argamani and the other male hostages back in June, IDF soldiers fought hand to hand combat to get to them.

Delta A
Delta A
October 22, 2024 7:42 pm

‘Peter Dutton and the Liberals calling for Senator Thorpe to resign for telling the truth is contemptible,’ she said.

?It’s been a very long time since a liberal leader has had the guts and the conviction to call out loudly an opposition member – particularly of the female variety – for disgraceful behaviour.

Well done, Peter Dutton.

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 7:52 pm

I mean, it’s just so comforting so see the likes of brave Peter Costello, brave Dominic Perrottet and so on now speak up to say they were against the lockdowns and mandates, three and four years after the Covid horrors.

Aren’t they brave? Except they’re not They could have and they should have spoken up during the height of the Covid insanity but instead they chose silence, and Perrottet, in government at the time, chose to be walked over by the MSM, by health bureaucrats and all the rest of the Covid hysterics.

THEY CAN ALL F*CK OFF.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 22, 2024 7:52 pm

The greens really vomit up the most spiteful malicious people imaginable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 22, 2024 7:54 pm

Roger
 October 22, 2024 7:19 pm

Vice Chairman of the Australian Republican Movement Adam Spencer questioned why King Charles III should be Australia’s head of state.

“He comes about once a decade – is that as often as our head of state should be on our soil?” Mr Spencer said.

Many of us view that as an appealing feature rather than a bug of the present arrangement, Adam.

Quite so.
A distant and uninterested head of state appeals.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 22, 2024 7:55 pm

Psychopathic

Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 7:56 pm

I mean, wasn’t Peter Costello head of Channel Nine during the Covid insanity?

He remained silent when people questioned the insanity of lockdowns, he remained silent when ordinary people took to the streets because they were seeing their livelihoods destroyed, only to be beaten, bashed and bludgeoned, he remained silent when people lost their jobs because they refused to partake of a dodgy jab.

He chose his personal comfort over truth.

So brave…..not

Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 7:58 pm

It’s bizarre really.
Israel could have avoided far more IDF casualties by conducting long distances war fare but to minimise civilian casualties they have been going at it with hamas.
How else have they lost over 700 soldiers?
The death of Sinwar was precipitated by raw recruits on patrol engaging with three armed men in Rafah.
Whatever they do it’s the wrong way, right?
And there is endless footage of idf engaging with hamas directly since they entered Gaza.
Of course that’s another narrative ‘ Israelis are nappy wearing cowards’.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 22, 2024 8:03 pm

Yeah Costello associating with Fairfax really blew up any remaining credibility.

Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 8:06 pm

The Thorpe’s are getting attacked on twitter with claims that Lidia is only 3% aboriginal.
That isn’t true though the family haven’t helped by erasing her maternal grandfather from public view.
Lidia does admit to being a descendant of Harry Thorpe a decorated Aboriginal war hero who died on the battle field in world war one and was her great great grandfather, presumably her grandmother married his grandson who I believe was named Alister.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 22, 2024 8:07 pm

Seems both Tim and Peter are odious but in different ways

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Cassie of Sydney
October 22, 2024 8:22 pm

Eden Yerushalmi was 24 years old when she was murdered by Hamas Nazi scum. She was taken hostage at just 23 years of age, only one week before her 24th birthday. Eden endured almost eleven months of living hell, she was raped, she was starved, she was unable to stand upright in the hole she was kept in. As desperate IDF soldiers bravely fought to free her and the other hostages, she was dragged out of the hole and shot dead at point blank range.

Here’s her funeral…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txvW80cKqH8

Eden’s family are Mizrachi Jews, they are Jews who never left the middle east.

bons
bons
October 22, 2024 8:29 pm

My shallow thinking copped a severe application of the cluebat this evening on Sky. I have regularly advocated the dissolution of the ACT and its incorporation as just another NSW entity.

The electoral wizzkid who was posed this question announced that such an outcome would ensure initialy Labor, and then Green governments in NSW in perpetuity.

Message to self. Fantasies are fantasies. Canberra is a plague.

Roger
Roger
October 22, 2024 8:31 pm

Well done, Peter Dutton

As with the voice & nuclear power, he is following public opinion.

Chris
Chris
October 22, 2024 8:36 pm

As regard to the criticism of Costello, I think its time we got honest about the costs of what was done.
If everyone is too scared to speak about it, how can we avoid a future trainsmash like that?
For instance, pandemic, but also over islamofascist ambitions in western countries.

Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 8:39 pm

“Hezbollah’s operational tempo has only increased”
Apparently this is a fact.
As for hamas, yeah the hard men aren’t folding, they’re killing Gazans left right and centre.
Why not when every dead body can be blamed on Israel.

Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 8:41 pm
Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
October 22, 2024 8:42 pm

Abortion rears its head again as part of the two leaders debate ahead of the QLD election.
Women already have access to it, so what is this other than a scare campaign?
It seems to be a leftist deflection, look over here, don’t look at our failed policies.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 22, 2024 8:50 pm

Our old pal Raffensperger is up to no good again in Georgia.

In this email, Raffensperger states, “Election Defense Fund, Inc. is a 501(c) (4) dedicated to protecting this year’s election results, and standing up against those who attempt to delay certification. EDF will identify local election officials who are most likely to not certify or otherwise attempt to interfere with results”

Does Brad know something about how the election will play out? Hmm.

Muddy
Muddy
October 22, 2024 9:06 pm

Our media, political, and elite class is a grotesquery of reptilian anthropomorphs.

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 9:28 pm

You have to be very careful with asset managers and hedge fund principals giving their view on markets.

Asset managers are obviously long all the markets, so they are talking their own book.

Imagine a KamalToe presidency.

If Harris is elected and Trump’s tax cuts expire, appx. 85% of Americans are going to be crushed by a historic tax hike only people like @mcuban can afford.

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JC
JC
October 22, 2024 9:39 pm

Hamas in the last few days killed the commander of 401st Armoured Brigade in an ambush. From what I’ve seen online following Sinwar’s death, their morale is not going to be reduced. Not announcing a replacement is a smart move operationally.

You and your online sources are barking at the moon. Ham arse is finished operationally. They have to wait for another generation to be mowed down.

Hezbollah’s operational tempo has only increased since the Pagers incident and the assassination of Nasrallah. They took big hits but they’ve suffered those before and not folded. Still a long way to go.

Don’t be impatient and upset with this, but the Hez is going to go the same way as those loons in Gaza.

JC
JC
October 22, 2024 9:41 pm

dover0beach

October 22, 2024 9:33 pm

It’s very strange or instructive that centre-right political thought pays little attention to oligarchy.

I have no idea what that even means. What oligarchy are you referring to – the Kremlin?

vr
vr
October 22, 2024 9:55 pm

Abortion rears its head again as part of the two leaders debate ahead of the QLD election.

The ads claim that women in the US have lost their rights and that could happen in QLD because the opposition leader doesn’t support abortion at birth or such.

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Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 10:00 pm

@TaraBull808

This TikToker covered Diddy parties in detail along with which celebrities attended them, including Jay Z, Beyoncé & Simon Cowell.

She was found d?ad at 36.

RIP Kyle Marisa Roth

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 10:07 pm
cohenite
October 22, 2024 10:20 pm

Abortion rears its head again as part of the two leaders debate ahead of the QLD election.

The ads claim that women in the US have lost their rights and that could happen in QLD because the opposition leader doesn’t support abortion at birth or such.

I got a bad feeling about QLD.

Indolent
Indolent
October 22, 2024 10:23 pm
Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 10:28 pm
Rosie
Rosie
October 22, 2024 10:44 pm
Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 22, 2024 10:48 pm

Interesting rabbit hole tweet about who owns the companies that make the voting machines in the USA.
https://nitter.poast.org/FFT1776/status/1846570820614709341#m

  1. Interesting rabbit hole tweet about who owns the companies that make the voting machines in the USA. https://nitter.poast.org/FFT1776/status/1846570820614709341#m

  2. The ‘macwin’ https://x.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1848362761299865765?t=aISMDzA_vSai86gWJqRXlQ&s=19

  3. 18 24 150 who to believe? https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1848677380295925904?t=AtBbb_5NMZfIweEQ4mjJeA&s=19

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