Open Thread – Weekend 9 Oct 2021


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Arky
October 9, 2021 11:55 am

Helensays:
October 9, 2021 at 11:52 am
Took mum down for her first Astra shot yesterday – big query from Dr as to why not Phizer. I whimped out and said she did not want the shots too close together. I didn’t say anything about experimental, baby cells, still not approved, side effects, call me a coward.

Eh?

Developers at Oxford University and pharmaceutical firm AstraZeneca are using cell lines from an electively aborted foetus in the vaccine candidate, with Anglican, Catholic and Greek Orthodox leaders questioning the practice.
-ABC.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 9, 2021 11:57 am

still no sign of Grand Final party spikes

Be patient.
There are secret clusters, waiting for the right time to pounce.

local oaf
October 9, 2021 11:57 am

Is there any conclusive information on how “infectious” vaxed people are when they carry the Covid virus?
Unvaxed people are being vilified as dangerous to others, but is there any proof that they are more dangerous than the vaxed?

Very soon, the vaxed will outnumber the unvaxed by as much as four or five to one. Even if they are less “infectious”they will still constitute a substantial danger to other people. Possibly even more of a danger than the unvaxed.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 9, 2021 11:59 am

Warren Brown’ toon looks nothing like the Chant creature. No mo for a start.

Helen
Helen
October 9, 2021 12:01 pm

No, but she’s eager for you to believe it happened, just like the attack she claims to have endured at the swarthy hands of a Leb sex monster in a Hunters Hill park after attending a take back the night rally at Sydney Uni.

Was she breathless when she told it? Sounds like a fantasy. I have been reading My Secret Garden and there sure are some wild fantasies in there.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2021 12:02 pm

mens-weaponized-incompetence

Weaponized incontinence is far worse.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2021 12:10 pm

From Dot’s link:

The first time I did laundry after moving out of my parent’s house was a total disaster. I mixed whites with colored clothes and ended up having all my white t-shirts turn bright pink. The first time I tried cooking chicken, I used so so many spices it was inedible. And don’t even get me started on the first time I tried cleaning an oven and almost poisoned myself.

Aside from my suspicion that this stupid, stupid woman moved out of her ‘parent’s house’ at 27, this situationally unaware masterpiece of a paragraph concedes that until she moved out, she did nothing at all.

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at nearly all domestic tasks. I had to Google everything.

Because you’d done nothing yourself – and not only that, you clearly refused to take an interest in the mechanics of doing very simple tasks that, equally clearly, you would be required to complete on your own at some point. Which you didn’t.

Yet, our society still views women as ‘naturally’ gifted at domestic labor and care work. We are not. And we are certainly not suited for the emotional, mental, and physical exhaustion of taking on all of it.

You’re not naturally gifted at anything. Get off the cross, toots, and get back to me when you’ve worked on the ‘weaponised incompetence’ of mowing lawns, killing spiders, driving, parallel parking, moving furniture, painting the house, building retaining walls and putting decks in, operating chainsaws, concreting, roofing, working in garbage trucks, digging septic pits and dying as infantry.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 12:12 pm

Dotsays:
October 9, 2021 at 11:44 am
https://medium.com/fearless-she-wrote/how-mens-weaponized-incompetence-is-screwing-over-women-9eeca3d7b448

Mmyes love.

Unblock any drains lately? Change any oil?

Midnight at Menin Gate epitomises male privilege in the West.

A not very much commented on aspect of the banking enquiry is that the most train-wrecked institution by far was AMP, which by pure coincidence had by far the highest proportion of women on the board and in the C-suite.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 12:13 pm

The Batshit crazy never rests
We must walk with Victoria’s First Peoples on the land they made beautiful
As Victoria pursues justice for its First Peoples, we begin the search for truth by exploring what life was like here before Europeans changed everything.

muh noble savages!

Helen
Helen
October 9, 2021 12:14 pm

Well i stuffed up there, Arky

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 12:15 pm

Yet, our society still views women as ‘naturally’ gifted at domestic labor and care work. We are not. And we are certainly not suited for the emotional, mental, and physical exhaustion of taking on all of it.

the helicoptered generation of snowflakes ripe for socialist fodder

srr
srr
October 9, 2021 12:17 pm

Dotsays:
October 9, 2021 at 11:17 am
In the Supermercado.

Who the hell buys “Royals Monthly”!!?

People who know Old Families keep track of each other for a reason 🙂

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 12:18 pm

“…we begin the search for truth by exploring what life was like here before Europeans changed everything…”

William Buckley’s memoirs would be a good place to start.
He grew up in an industrial revolution slum and spent time in a late eighteenth/early nineteenth century English jail, but he recounts how the sociopathic violence in the indigenous clan he lived with was so horrific that at times he had to leave and live by himself to get over the horror.
Not that he was critical of the aborigines – he refuted calumnies against them by stating unequivocally that cannibalism was very rare.

will
will
October 9, 2021 12:20 pm

All the thi

ngs the demorats are doing are not due to incompetence; they’re all planned. That’s the thing; the dems are run by the commies now and they want to destroy the US

These psychopaths have a viseral hatred of the US and its system of government based on liberty and the creation of wealth and prosperity, its like they hate their parents and everything they believed.

will
will
October 9, 2021 12:24 pm

he Beer whisperersays:
October 9, 2021 at 11:06 am
No more giving the government anything.

Just rocked up for my second jab so they have to give me a paper copy straight away, thus avoiding the electronic chains.

care to share so we know what the genuine article looks like in case we come across any fakes?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 9, 2021 12:24 pm

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at nearly all domestic tasks. I had to Google everything.

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at everything and had no Google.

I too had a wardrobe of pink tees/jocks. My high water mark was the triumph of finding spagbol/curry mince at 15p/lb instead of the usual 35p/lb. Eat my dust, spendthrift housewives.

After a happy year of budget gourmet dining we discovered it was pet meat – which explained the strange purple colour.

Digger
Digger
October 9, 2021 12:26 pm

When do you think this will end? When will the government stop lying? Why do they lie unapologetically? Why do people let them lie and go along with it? Why is the media literally contradicting themselves? Why do they never skew the government over such contradictions? Why is a fake couple of a gay Siamese dude and a fat redhead Aussie bloody sheila with a fake TV baby giving me medical advice on an ad sponsored by an insurance company?

Brilliantly put…

I guess the government is just being a government. A place full of average no-hopers who are elected on popularity or party lines and never for their brilliance.

The media is just a group of idiots who can’t for the life of them do a productive job, they have no brains and just follow their elected idols…

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2021 12:29 pm

“William Buckley’s memoirs would be a good place to start.
He grew up in an industrial revolution slum and spent time in a late eighteenth/early nineteenth century English jail, but he recounts how the sociopathic violence in the indigenous clan he lived with was so horrific that at times he had to leave and live by himself to get over the horror.
Not that he was critical of the aborigines – he refuted calumnies against them by stating unequivocally that cannibalism was very rare.”

A few years ago I attended a talk that Jacinta Price gave. She spoke eloquently about the violence in her mother’s indigenous clan that predated European arrival…particularly violence against women. It was endemic. She also spoke again this sudden reverence for a lot of tribal law…which was and is violent and brutal.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2021 12:30 pm

As Victoria pursues justice for its First Peoples, we begin the search for truth by exploring what life was like here before Europeans changed everything.

what, infantacide, cannabalism and women-as-property ?

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 12:31 pm

These psychopaths have a viseral hatred of the US and its system of government based on liberty and the creation of wealth and prosperity, its like they hate their parents and everything they believed.

Subjected them to a progressive education in the penal and abusive American education system didn’t they? QED.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2021 12:31 pm

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at nearly all domestic tasks. I had to Google everything.

its called growing up, toots.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 12:33 pm

Neilson

he recounts how the sociopathic violence in the indigenous clan he lived with was so horrific that at times he had to leave and live by himself to get over the horror.

Like what, countless murders, rapes etc?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 9, 2021 12:33 pm

I learnt to cook living in a house of four blokes, all of us going to uni. None of us could do more than boil an egg, or – my speciality! – make cheese on toast.

At the local Coles they had recipe cards. I grabbed a few of those and followed the instructions, and voila!

The trade off was that if I cooked the others did all of the cleaning up, and I was exempt from the fortnightly vacuuming etc.

Then I moved into another place with a lady and of course my skills were not needed.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2021 12:35 pm

I’m liking Perrottet more and more by the calibre of his enemies. Now Elizabeth Farrelly is upset.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 12:36 pm
Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2021 12:38 pm

“its First Peoples”

What “First People’s”? Progressive garbage. The “First People’s” were in Africa.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 9, 2021 12:38 pm

I leant to cook in a house with 3 other chaps. We always had $10 for pies sitting in a jar next to the oven….just in case the cook up went astray. Trial and error was the approach. We judged each other on how few cooking pots were used. Needless to say we all gravitated to the wok.

calli
calli
October 9, 2021 12:39 pm

Yet, our society still views women as ‘naturally’ gifted at domestic labor

Is that peculiar creature blind? Did she not she her mother or another domestic serf actually doing stuff like laundry and cooking? Did she live in the basement, only to emerge when it was all done?

I’m astonished that with such poor observation skills she can actually read and write.

Or…it’s all a crock and she’s lying about her experiences to make column inches.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2021 12:39 pm

I remember the cleaning skills of one of my (male) uni digs.. liberally spray the bathroom with various noxious cleaners, wait till it was (sort of) breathable, wipe the floor mop over all surfaces (walls, etc) then hose the whole lot out like it was an abbatoir.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 12:39 pm

no shit, the whole thing was meant to ignite in the wuhan military games and straight back to the west, but it fizzled
US government insider’s Covid investigation finds China may have developed vaccine before outbreak
China may have invented a Covid-19 vaccine well before the outbreak, a stunning investigation by a US government insider claims.

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2021 12:40 pm

Did she live in the basementbedroom, only to emerge when it was all done?

FIFY – the typical teenager.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 12:46 pm

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at nearly all domestic tasks. I had to Google everything.

She sounds like a real catch, anyone seen ‘gunner?

Heres a hint sugartush, no-one, unless they actually do stuff before they leave home is competent at bugger all.
I was “competent” at being a rousie when I left home because I did a fair bit of it as a kid.
I was “competent” at deckhanding for the same reason.

Since those days Ive gained competency in a large number of odds and sods by actually doing shit.

You on the other hand have spent your childhood on the computer whining about things not being “fair” and posting pictures of your gunt to Chad Thundercock who dropper you after your “up the bum, first date” evening out.

Tom
Tom
October 9, 2021 12:46 pm

It’s mild and humid, just alongside at Sabai Island in PNG, a lot of asian fishing boats in the area.

Easy mistake to make, Carpe. Saibai Island is in Queensland, just a short walk from PNG at low tide.

I last stood on the beach at Saibai Island looking at PNG a few hundred metres away in 1988 when the Torres Strait locals (who are Melanesians, not Aborigines) were threatening to secede from Australia because of the shit service from the Queensland government and held a convention to discuss the subject on Thursday Island.

Assurances were given, the locals backed down, nothing ever happened and the Sleepy Hollow of the north (the Torres Strait) slept on.

Marvellous place — the major difference with North Queensland being that the islanders are inherently happy, whereas the Aborigines are not.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 12:47 pm

What “First People’s”? Progressive garbage. The “First People’s” were in Africa.

The left’s pathetic attempt to weaponise aboriginals in the war on western prosperity is so 2018. If war breaks out with china, ideal time to clean up the treasonous commies that infest locally.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 9, 2021 12:48 pm

H B Bear says:
October 9, 2021 at 11:35 am

WA

Safest place on the planet.

WA
Stupidest place on the planet.

Baba
Baba
October 9, 2021 12:49 pm

Late last night a Virgin Australia cabin crew member was confirmed to have COVID through surveillance testing conducted by the airline.

The crew member worked six flights in or out of Melbourne while infectious from the October 4-6.

Fellow crew members on those flights have been deemed close contacts.

Passengers on those flights are being contacted by officials in Victoria, South Australian and New South Wales.

All Virgin cabin crew are vaxxed. Amiright?

Megan
Megan
October 9, 2021 12:51 pm

Interesting conversation re the shots from my GP this week. I actually was there to get vaccinated…against shingles*. (Also thanks to my overly irritable immune system for the pounding headache, sore joints and pervasive itching over the last 24 hours. Always good to be reminded you never sleep, you busy little overachiever.).

She’s keen for me to have an anti-pestilence shot but agrees that in my case waiting for Novovax is probably the sensible option. Problem is, no idea when it will arrive if it arrives at all. Suggested that I should be ok without anything until the end of summer and if Novovax is still unavailable that of the others AZ would be my best option because of the myalgic side effects from the other two. Happy to go with that for now but middle child still utterly filthy with us.

*the most painful shot I’ve ever had, and I’ve had a few.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 12:51 pm

JCsays:
October 9, 2021 at 12:33 pm
Neilson

he recounts how the sociopathic violence in the indigenous clan he lived with was so horrific that at times he had to leave and live by himself to get over the horror.

Like what, countless murders, rapes etc?

I don’t recall any mention of rapes, but many murders especially of women and children, and women getting the shit bashed out of them at the drop of a hat, etc.

JMH
JMH
October 9, 2021 12:53 pm

Makkasays:
October 9, 2021 at 9:45 am
Acting Senior Sergeant Krystle Mitchell

She works in Gender equality and Inclusion section ……

Hmmmm.

I suspect her main reason for pulling the pin is she doesn’t want the mandatory poisoned injection.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 12:54 pm

Facebook Inc has apologised to users for a two-hour disruption to its services and blamed another faulty configuration change for its second global outage this week.

lol

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 12:55 pm

If war breaks out with china, ideal time to clean up the treasonous commies that infest locally.

Meme 1: https://imgflip.com/i/5psdkr

Meme 2
Hes making a list, hes checking it twice

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2021 12:57 pm

I remember the cleaning skills of one of my (male) uni digs.. liberally spray the bathroom with various noxious cleaners, wait till it was (sort of) breathable, wipe the floor mop over all surfaces (walls, etc) then hose the whole lot out like it was an abbatoir.

I like the cut of his jib.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2021 1:08 pm

I leant to cook in a house with 3 other chaps.

One flatmate in similar situation avoided cooking for 18 months by a wide variety of artifices of great ingenuity. Eventually we pinned him down and he finally had to cook something, anything. At which point we found out the issue. He memorably managed to burn tinned potatoes. Poor guy. I hope he found someone to cook for him.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 1:13 pm

I learnt to cook

you bunch of seagulls

rickw
rickw
October 9, 2021 1:15 pm
Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 9, 2021 1:20 pm

Megan, sounds like the JEV jabs I got when going to work overseas. That was like having concrete injected.

calli
calli
October 9, 2021 1:26 pm

Did this really happen?

Definitely a smaller cast in my sewing dungeon. But yes, it happened.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 1:27 pm

Did this really happen?

No, it’s a well known meme device, using a picture from a British pub when (I think) England scored a goal at the European Championships.

calli
calli
October 9, 2021 1:30 pm

Lol, Tim. Literalist!

Well I cheered.

cohenite
October 9, 2021 1:31 pm

and especially opportunities to recognise contributions by Aboriginal people.

Our 3rd nations brethren have made some great contributions within Western culture. There are no contributions within 3rd nations culture; unless of course you include the greatest mass animal extinction caused by humans, genocide against the 1st and second nations and creating the greatest continuous bushfires the world has ever seen. I guess they were contributions.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 1:46 pm

Lol, Tim. Literalist!

Well I cheered.

OK, maybe it did happen…

Bons
October 9, 2021 1:55 pm

Riddle me this. You are forced to have a bug test within 72 hours of an international departure.
Results are available within 48 hours perhaps.
You cleverly plan it all out so that you receive your results just before you board. (Good luck with that).
Your 72 hrs runs out a few hours before you enter the Heathrow arrivals hall.
You had better take your swag.

Bons
October 9, 2021 1:59 pm

Can someone explain how it is that private citizens Rudd and Turnbull get to escape to attend the Glasgow marxist fest but the rest of us cannot leave?
What about the hundreds of fat girls that also get to break out to attend.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 9, 2021 2:00 pm

Sounds like the Brits have it sorted:

Ready to hop on an overseas flight when the national border is reopened next month? Then get ready for a culture shock.

Australians heading to London – the first across the globe overseas trip allowed in nearly two years – will be quite the experience.

Upon arrival outside Heathrow Airport there are no masks, no vaccination certificates, no checking QR codes, no breathless daily updates on Covid-19 cases, no obsessing about death tolls: London and the rest of the country in December will be a festival of Christmas markets and sparkling street lights, packed pubs with mulled wine and mince pies.

Australian travellers may not quite believe it, but you can also leave your phone at home, for there isn’t any tracking, routine phone app check-ins or data collection.

And Australian arrivals won’t even have to face any quarantine. That means none of the brutal two-week lockup inside a hotel, and there are no restrictions at home; people can mingle freely with the vaccinated and unvaccinated, inside and out at venues. The only requirement is a self-administered day two Covid test that you pop into the local post box.

Welcome to a very different normalcy in England, which has more than 80 per cent vaccinated – and a far different way of life compared to the 80 per cent plans in some parts of Australia.

Since the beginning of October, the British government has done away with the traffic light system of arrival countries, instead keeping a handful of countries on the red list which require hotel quarantine (with smoking and exercise breaks). Australian arrivals have always been on the green list, requiring no barriers to entry at all.

The Brits will quickly present a very different viewpoint of what has gone on in Australia. Be ready to be regaled of their continued shock of how Australia’s state and federal governments have imprisoned Australians with cruel national and interstate border closures; how they’ve weaponised the police; how they’ve imposed heavy-handed fines and cowed a once larrikin and free-spirited nation.

Once here, Aussies may even revisit their own psychological response to the fearmongering and smugness that has riddled Australian discourse.

Remember too, stories about lockdown will get the short shrift here: the Brits had seven months of home schooling. But the smallest of thanks to the British and Turkish-born German scientists that developed the Covid vaccines, fast-tracking a return to daily activities and allowing families to reunite, will be very much welcomed.

One question mark is whether Australians arriving here will freak out that Britain admits to hospital each day about 700 Covid-sufferers.

Travellers will have to quickly adjust to packed trains, to football fans jumping and screaming inside packed stadiums, and even theatregoers dancing with glee. Britons can even sing hymns in church and swim in indoor pools.

Everyone gets on with their daily lives without government fines and draconian restrictions.

This is despite knowing the virus will still circulate, make people sick, and cause deaths, thankfully in diminishing numbers.

A snapshot of the virus in the retirement county of Norfolk, where the North Sea blows, foretells the quandary that Australians may soon face. Here the vaccination rate is one of the highest in the country, with 80.5 per cent having had two jabs – yet 531 locals still contracted Covid in the past seven days and 17 were admitted to the local Kings Lynn hospital. One died.

The British appear to have come to terms with the virus, knowing they can’t afford the extreme financial pain and collateral health damages of extended lockdowns.

Come to Britain and be imbued with some of that “keep calm and carry on” spirit.

JACQUELIN MAGNAY
EUROPE CORRESPONDENT
Jacquelin Magnay is the Europe Correspondent for The Australian, based in London and covering all manner of big stories across political, business, Royals and security issues.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 2:01 pm

Found 2 baby birds tossed out of their nest by high winds last night,
One eyes open a bit other eyes closed. After 2 hours of being held in the hand and warmed up they are now demanding food from their big hairy mum.

some sugar water, 6 slaters, an earwig and a small beetle later they seem a little happier.

But i dont have a heat pad or anything for tonight. Any suggestions?

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 2:07 pm

Mole

Stick in the oven at 180 deg for 45 mins. That should toast’em up a little.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 2:09 pm

After more than five years of intense scrutiny and effort, California on Friday became the first state to make ethnic studies a required class for high school graduation to help students understand the past and present struggles and contributions of Black, Asian, Latino, Native/Indigenous Americans and other groups that have experienced racism and marginalization in America.

muh white guilt!

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 2:10 pm

Stick in the oven at 180 deg for 45 mins. That should toast’em up a little.

good grief! 30 mins is more than sufficient

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2021 2:16 pm

This is quite extraordinary. I think we’re getting to the point of proof that the vaccines can actually cause infection.

Singapore

Bons
October 9, 2021 2:17 pm

Magnay’s article is telling. My daughter tells me that it is not quite as rosey as that. Everyone remains fearful of a sudden change, but it is certainly massively better than our lunacy.
I’ve been contemplating how to respond to the pasting I am going to take from the Poms.
My only viable response will be “we were lazy politically and have lost our democracy as a consequence”. There are no excuses.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 2:18 pm

But i dont have a heat pad or anything for tonight. Any suggestions?

Cailles en sarcophage

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 2:19 pm

You are both bad people should feel bad.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 2:22 pm

Singapore

lol … “flattening the curve, but along the wrong axis”

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 2:23 pm

You are both bad people should feel bad

they are bad

as far as cooks go their recipes lack imagination or flair

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 2:24 pm

those two are the pod-people I’ve been warning youse about

John H.
John H.
October 9, 2021 2:28 pm

Is China Naturally Authoritarian?

30 mins. They really are different from us. He made an interesting comment that the Chinese will co-operate with the State, are not people who protest, but when they turn on the government they are all in.

Arky
October 9, 2021 2:31 pm

Mole.
It’s important that you find out the species.
If they’re plovers you can safely grill them lightly on the BBQ before tossing them to your dog.

calli
calli
October 9, 2021 2:33 pm

Do you have a hot water bottle, Mole?

Or something, anything, that can take hot water. A drink bottle perhaps. Make sure it’s tightly closed and wrap it in soft old teatowels. That should do the trick.

The baby butcherbirds here appear to be quite satisfied with mince via their parents and last year’s siblings. That’s if the to-ing and fro-ing from the nest is anything to go by. The amount of tucker that’s heading over there has me wondering if we’re actually feeding a wretched cuckoo.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 2:34 pm
Arky
October 9, 2021 2:37 pm

The best place is on top of the water heater, in a cardboard box full of old footy socks and undies.
Position such as not to burn the house down, because killing them in a house fire defeats the purpose of saving them in the first place.

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2021 2:40 pm

From Amazing Polly.

4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION IS THE END OF HUMANITY

This is truly amazing. She admits that she was quite upset when making it and who could blame her.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 2:40 pm

We are reaching Troll levels that have never been seen before in Australia.

Clive Palmer asked for name and logo of his foundation on 33m doses of donated hydroxychloroquine
Early in pandemic ex MP intended drugs as Covid treatment but they were never used outside clinical trials

Correspondence obtained by the Guardian under freedom of information laws reveals the former MP told health department officials he would source the anti-malarial drugs from China on condition that a “small copy” of the Palmer Foundation logo was printed on the packets, along with a message stating they had been “donated by the Palmer Foundation for the benefit of the Australian people”.

The Palmer Foundation is a private philanthropic entity set up and headed by Palmer.

The department refused the request, telling Palmer the labelling would breach Australia’s strict laws on medical packaging. A senior government official suggested that the health minister, Greg Hunt, could instead “publicly acknowledge the donation on a major TV or press interview” once the hydroxychloroquine was in use. Palmer subsequently agreed to supply the drugs without any mention of his foundation on the labels.

The donated drug was intended for use with Australian Covid-19 patients if trials proved it to be an effective treatment. However, hydroxychloroquine was soon shown to be ineffective as a remedy for Covid-19, and Palmer’s drugs were never used outside clinical trials.

Its also worth noting that around this time we were being informed/ blatantly lied to that there was a shortage of the drugs.
The documents show health department officials worked with Palmer to source more than five tonnes of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine diphosphate (a related chemical) between April and June 2020, purchased from China through a subsidiary of the Palmer Foundation called Consolidated Pharmaceuticals.
https://www.cicm.org.au/News-Summary/Supply-Shortages-Of-Hydroxychloroquine
4 May, 2020
Please read the letter from the Deputy Chief Medical Officer of Australia, Professor Paul Kelly, that was sent to the RACP seeking assistance in managing the supply shortages of hydroxychloroquine that risk compromising access for patients who are prescribed this medicine for non-COVID-19 conditions.

Allergy
Allergy
October 9, 2021 2:40 pm

Mole. What about an electric blanket if you have one?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 2:42 pm

callisays:
October 9, 2021 at 2:33 pm

the warm water bottle sounds like a go.

Gab
Gab
October 9, 2021 2:45 pm

When told by his bishop that if the Church protested too loudly the Nazis would close the churches, Saint Franz Jaggerstatter replied, “If the Church stays silent in the face of evil, what difference would it make if no church were ever opened again?”

Gab
Gab
October 9, 2021 2:47 pm

If I was a bit sus about doctors and their supposedly caring for the patient ethos before, after today I will never trust any doctor ever.

Arky
October 9, 2021 2:47 pm

the warm water bottle sounds like a go.

..
You’re going to get up every couple of hours to change the water?
Top of water heater.
Unless you have one of those instant systems.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2021 2:48 pm

The amount of tucker that’s heading over there has me wondering if we’re actually feeding a wretched cuckoo.

Butcherbirds believe you can never have too much in the larder. One male I recall was so excited on the day his chicks hatched he came to Cafe Bruce over twenty times. Collected enough for an army. I found his nest later, he had four marvellous kiddies but not the apparent 400 his efforts seemed to suggest.

I can’t help Mole as I’ve haven’t ever done such duty, sorry.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 2:49 pm

Look at the truphal tone of this article.
Then consider its actually celebrating people who are highly skilled professionals with many years of time invested in their professions choosing to be vaccinated over the threat of losing their jobs.

What disgusting amroal shits.

Less than 0.1% of NSW health staff have quit due to Covid vaccination mandates
NSW health department says that 136 staff members have resigned ‘due to their position on Covid-19 vaccination’

On Friday, the NSW health department confirmed that as of the beginning of October, only 136 staff members employed across the state had resigned “due to their position on Covid-19 vaccination”.

Australia Covid live news update: record cases in Victoria; NSW investigates new Delta strain source; Virgin Australia crew member tests positive
Read more
“While this is disappointing, it is important to note that this represents just 0.1% of the public health system workforce of more than 140,000 people,” a spokeswoman for the department said.

The figure stands in stark contrast to the narrative pushed by anti-vaccination groups, which in recent weeks have stepped up campaigns aiming to encourage protests aimed at opposition to mandatory jabs.

After anti-lockdown and vaccination protests swept through Melbourne last month, it was widely reported by some media that nurses and other health staff planned to join the demonstrations.

Then right at the very bottom of the article is this little nugget.
NSW Health said it was unclear how many workers remained stood down, and how many of those would eventually resign.

“With respect to the final number of people who can no longer work with NNSWLHD as they decided not to be vaccinated against Covid-19, this will become clear in the coming weeks,” a spokeswoman said.

“This is because not all these people will resign due to their views, and each person’s particular circumstances need to be worked through and due process needs to be applied to all employees.”

So the department knows all, sees all, but doesnt know how many staff are stood down rather than resigned?
Pull the other one, it plays the internationale.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2021 2:53 pm

At the beginning of my young adult journey, I sucked at nearly all domestic tasks. I had to Google everything.
I climbed onboard a 727 & winged my way to Sydney .. 19 years old, 10 pound tourist, never been more than 25 miles from home before, in my life .. knew no one in Oz.. landed at 5.15 am Sunday morning .. $A42 to my name .. been her ever since, 4 kids, 8 grandkids .. 1st trip back to Geordieland in 2013, after 46 years …… but I could COOK back then! … LOL!

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 3:00 pm

“While this is disappointing, it is important to note that this represents just 0.1% of the public health system workforce of more than 140,000 people,” a spokeswoman for the department said.

NSW’s population is about 7,400,000. That includes children and retirees.

So something like 2% of the total population work for the public health system? What percentage of the actual workforce is that?

But presumably every single one is absolutely essential, and there’s no bloated wasteful overstaffing going on at all.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2021 3:02 pm

“This is because not all these people will resign due to their views, and each person’s particular circumstances need to be worked through and due process needs to be applied to all employees.”

NSW Health also stands firmly with the reporter who accurately called … LET’S GO BRANDON! …

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 9, 2021 3:04 pm

Ottoman poofs.
Geddit? No?

He who laughs last ……. is slow on the uptake.
Moi.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2021 3:05 pm

but I could COOK back then!

ecky thump mate

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 3:08 pm
srr
srr
October 9, 2021 3:16 pm

Gabsays:
October 9, 2021 at 2:47 pm

If I was a bit sus about doctors and their supposedly caring for the patient ethos before, after today I will never trust any doctor ever.

Remember, it was the Medical Establishment that normalised The Pill, Full Term ‘abortion’, ‘euthanasia’ for sad people, including children, “Trans” Children, kept their mouths shut about all the genitally mutilated women and children & babies they had to treat, and their list of evils committed against humanity goes on & on … well back into the history of the Controlling Overlords of ‘health’.

They went by slightly different names in The Bible, but they are of the same spirit God warned us against putting our faith in.

Really, the best thing about the whole Wu Flu Assault has been how many people it’s snapped out of Doctor Worship.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2021 3:16 pm

In case BRADBURY has deluded anyone with closed international borders ……….. FFS!

From Senator Pauline Hanson
A dramatic change in the migration program over the past year will place a greater burden on Australian taxpayers at a time when they can least afford it.
One Nation leader, Senator Pauline Hanson, said that in 2020-21, the program had seen a massive rise in places for the family stream of the program at the expense of skilled immigrants.
For the past decade, the skills stream accounted for more than two thirds of places under Australia’s migration program while the family stream accounted for less than one third,” Senator Hanson said.
“This all changed in 2020-21 when the family stream rose to 49.3% of places in the program, a total of more than 77,000 people and just short of the 79,000 or so people brought in under the skills stream.
“Under the cover of COVID-19, the Morrison Government has substantially increased the numbers of unskilled immigrants who will sponge up more taxpayer resources by about 50% rather than prioritising immigrants who can contribute much needed skills to our workforce and economy while not being a burden on social welfare.”
“This is a giant Ponzi scheme which Scott Morrison knows Australia cannot afford.”
“Another concern from the latest migration program figures is that the vast majority of immigrants—almost 90,000 out of 160,000—signaled their intention to reside in New South Wales or Victoria, which really means Sydney and Melbourne.”
“These are cities that are already struggling with housing supply and affordability, as well as hospital bed shortages, road congestion, and out-of-control outbreaks of COVID-19.”
Another 22,900 people intended to reside in Queensland.
“What on earth is this Prime Minister doing? We already have the Australian Medical Association of Queensland (AMAQ) suggesting the Sunshine State can’t cope with hospital patients as it is. And here he is flooding another 23,000 people into my home state.”
“The Prime Minister and Treasurer are cooking the books with immigration numbers and Australians need to be concerned.”
“So much for a closed international border during the pandemic. More than 160,000 people have moved to Australia in the 2020-21 migration program. And more than 1.67 million people have come across our international border during this pandemic, while millions of Australian citizens can’t even cross state borders or leave their homes.”

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 9, 2021 3:23 pm

Any suggestions?

Blender?
Thermomix?

Baba
Baba
October 9, 2021 3:23 pm

A new report by the Business Council of Australia (BCA) has predicted an $890 billion boost to economic activity as a result of dramatically cutting carbon emissions, and the creation of 195,000 jobs over the next five decades — particularly in regional areas.

We’re cooked and fooked.

195,000? That’s a lot of people mowing grass and cleaning solar panels.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 9, 2021 3:32 pm

Wow the next 5 decades. Big whoop.

Roger
Roger
October 9, 2021 3:33 pm

Can someone explain how it is that private citizens Rudd and Turnbull get to escape to attend the Glasgow marxist fest but the rest of us cannot leave?

It’s the new feudalism.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 9, 2021 3:33 pm

Fraudenberg is not called fraudenberg for nothing

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 9, 2021 3:36 pm

I climbed onboard a 727 & winged my way to Sydney

Wow I vaguely remember riding on probably was one of those at about 4yo in 1970’s. I recall walking up the stairs into the back of the tail and the roar of the take off but not much else. Mum was pregnant and 2 trips down and back on the Pacific Hwy would have been hell for her. Apparently cost dad nearly a months pay.

Didn’t see the inside of an aircraft after till I was 16.

rickw
rickw
October 9, 2021 3:37 pm

Hot bluing some parts this arvo, had forgotten what a “spicy” job it is!

cohenite
October 9, 2021 3:42 pm
rickw
rickw
October 9, 2021 3:47 pm

Can someone explain how it is that private citizens Rudd and Turnbull get to escape to attend the Glasgow marxist fest but the rest of us cannot leave?

Going to be one hell of a Revolution, so much to square off over.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 9, 2021 3:49 pm

Yes two of the most loathed pollimuppets giving us the finger.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 9, 2021 3:51 pm

Shatterzzz

Cat was let out of the bag that Australia had reached it’s 160,000 target by SBS in an article a couple of weeks ago. I think they did most of it by granting residency to those already here. The Indian whinging a few weeks back about the flight costs after being granted a skilled entry visa as well is another one.

Winston Smith
October 9, 2021 4:01 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

If the plan was to continue on to the oilfields, they needed to pull back to the Lower Chir and Don while the weather was good enough and recuperate the 6th and 4th Pz armies.

I said this only in terms of the Winter Line proposed by ?Paulus. The 6th Armee was fought out by the time it became necessary to re evaluate Plan Blue.
“Fall Blau” was workable up to the point that Stalingrad started being fought over, then the resources being spent to capture it put the Maikop oilfields outside the German reach.
As per Hitlers desire to take Stalingrad to intercept the Volga River trade route, taking Krasnoarmeisky ?spelling? would have allowed that blockade, and given a railway line/road network to the south. The effort to interdict the river at Spartakovka/Rynok, north of Stalingrad just burnt out several of the Pz/Motorised divisions for little gain.
Granted that the northern blockade happened as a result of the collapse of the Russian defences in that area, OKW should have withdrawn those units and used them to clear the Don – especially the area at Kletskaya and Serafimovich.
If there’s one thing to learn from the Soviets, you never leave a bridgehead standing.

cohenite
October 9, 2021 4:09 pm

Self defence and stand your ground in the US:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAk0FNH7RS4

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2021 4:11 pm

Facebook Inc has apologised to users for a two-hour disruption to its services and blamed another faulty configuration change for its second global outage this week.

lol

The cleaner knocked a plug when she was dusting. Zuck sacked her and Biden has deported her to Mexico. Problem solved.

John H.
John H.
October 9, 2021 4:12 pm

Rogersays:
October 9, 2021 at 3:33 pm
Can someone explain how it is that private citizens Rudd and Turnbull get to escape to attend the Glasgow marxist fest but the rest of us cannot leave?

It’s the new feudalism.

When pollies enter quarantine do they have to forfeit pay like so many? After all, we’re all in this together.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2021 4:14 pm

Snuk some footage out from Lizzies dance class.
Dont let her know.

And that, Mole, is why I still like to dance. My neighbour Keiko (not her real Japanese name) and I hit our hippie-hip strides this morning in our dining room, rug rolled back, and with a bit of a Latin flourish this morning she is starting to get the ‘moves’ of the sideways Latin hip rotation. So many cultural teaching moments in dance: a friend of mine does belly-dancing, and that uses deep circular thrusting with the belly muscles; the Tahitian styles require a special quick-stepping movement as well as the core coming into play along with the hips and especially the buttocks (watch it again and you can see how). It was great to enjoy that vid, very much fun and it’s not just for the young, agile and super-supple. You can learn modified versions. I can’t wait to get some similar lessons when next in Polynesia – got a Cook Islands tour ready and waiting.

Flash Cat needs more of your dance vids, Steve. Especially in the evenings. Beautiful displays.

Baba
Baba
October 9, 2021 4:14 pm

The Royal Australian Navy is set to dump its troubled fleet of European-made MRH 90 Taipan helicopters, replacing them with US-made Seahawks in a deal worth around $1.3 billion.

The MRH 90 helicopters should be sent on one last mission off Nowra carrying everyone who was involved their acquisition bound but not blindfolded.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2021 4:16 pm

Going to be one hell of a Revolution, so much to square off over.

KRuddy and Turnbull must be close to first in line for a Ceacescue goodbye (as opposed to a Quentin Dumpster long goodbye).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2021 4:20 pm

I climbed onboard a 727 & winged my way to Sydney

Isn’t that the old Jumbo, the 747 not 727?

rickw
rickw
October 9, 2021 4:20 pm

31-Year-Old Man Plummets from 9th Story of Jersey City Building, Lands on head prefect’s BMW, and Lives

Good job whoever did the vertical impact design for the roof!

If there is a possibility that you might fall off a balcony, learn what a BMW looks like from directly overhead and make for it!

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 4:23 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2021 4:23 pm

The Royal Australian Navy is set to dump its troubled fleet of European-made MRH 90 Taipan helicopters, replacing them with US-made Seahawks in a deal worth around $1.3 billion.

Wonder whether we will see them at the Watson’s Bay Naval Base right near us, or is this where old helicopters go to die?

They occasionally invite the local community to see some sort of trouping of the colour or beating of the retreat up there and let the kids sit in a helicopter.

rickw
rickw
October 9, 2021 4:25 pm

I climbed onboard a 727 & winged my way to Sydney

If it’s got rear stairs under the tail as described then it’s definitely a 727. Used to love flying on Ansett’s ones up near the front, so quiet!

Tough aircraft, one went off the end of the runway in Pohnepei, they just air bagged the nose up out of the sea, dragged it back, hosed it off and flew it out.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 4:25 pm

How is this even possible?

A pair of Nike Air Ships, the earliest Nikes worn by basketball legend Michael Jordan during a regular season game as a professional NBA player, will be offered at an upcoming auction at Sotheby’s in Las Vegas.

With an estimate of between US$1 million and US$1.5 million, the pair will be the most valuable sneakers ever offered at auction, Sotheby’s said.

srr
srr
October 9, 2021 4:33 pm

Another Good I’m seeing in all this Bad, is people who were used to being, smart, doing the smart things and being rewarded in life for it, suddenly discovering just how suddenly other, greater worldly powers can take it all away from them, through absolutely no fault of their own.

The Good in this is that some will start to see that so many they looked down on for ‘not being smart enough’ to secure a comfortable life for themselves & family, were actually the canaries gasping to give a warning voice about the greater thefts from the smart people, planned for the future … and that those good souls are battle hardened allies.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2021 4:43 pm

“Going to be one hell of a Revolution, so much to square off over.”

It’s not far away.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
October 9, 2021 4:44 pm

Can someone please post me to information on the covoid passport exemption forms and any comments about them?
The missus is stressing about visiting her parents.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
October 9, 2021 4:48 pm

Are Ottomans really poufes? I have heard argument both for and against.
I am not a person good with soft furnishings. Or colours.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 4:52 pm

global fascism is coming
Canadian government’s proposed online harms legislation threatens our human rights
The Canadian government is considering new rules to regulate how social media platforms moderate potentially harmful user-generated content. Already, the proposed legislation has been criticized by internet scholars — across the political spectrum — as some of the worst in the world.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 9, 2021 4:52 pm

The Royal Australian Navy is set to dump its troubled fleet of European-made MRH 90 Taipan helicopters, replacing them with US-made Seahawks in a deal worth around $1.3 billion.

The Army has about 45 of the same PoS. Should have just bought later model Blackhawks than we had. But no, little Johnny Howard said the 200 or so jobs in Brissy were more important so bought the Eurocrap. Same with the ARH Tiger which will be replaced by the Apache’s that should have been bought in the first place.

srr
srr
October 9, 2021 4:53 pm

THIS –

Shocking Video Shows EXACTLY Why People Are Hesitant To Take The Vaccine

https://rumble.com/vnfzdp-shocking-video-shows-exactly-why-people-are-hesitant-to-take-the-vaccine.html

Dinesh D’Souza
Published October 7, 2021
Rumble — This is going viral. [ Yes, BUT there’s dog video’s with more views. Lets fix that.]

Winston Smith
October 9, 2021 4:54 pm

Zipster:

Yet, our society still views women as ‘naturally’ gifted at domestic labor and care work. We are not. And we are certainly not suited for the emotional, mental, and physical exhaustion of taking on all of it.

Wasn’t there a TV show where a stack of young women got stranded on an island and they just went through all the stores, sunbaked, and wouldn’t put up a shelter thing?
Then a bloke was sent in and he tried to organise them with basic survival skills?
So they voted him off because he was too demanding?
Turned out he was a Marine Survival Expert.
I never saw the show but did read about it…

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 4:55 pm

It’s almost like all governments are singing from the same song book.

I expect to wake up morning with an announcement that there is a new global government in place and to remain calm and obey your local officials.

Winston Smith
October 9, 2021 4:56 pm

Will:

care to share so we know what the genuine article looks like in case we come across any fakes?

Now that was a genuine LOL.

Tom
Tom
October 9, 2021 4:57 pm

If I was a bit sus about doctors and their supposedly caring for the patient ethos before, after today I will never trust any doctor ever.

i won’t say all, but the vast majority of doctors are closet fascists who enjoy playing God. I exclude my GP, who is very good at her job and who I trust with my life.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 9, 2021 4:57 pm
JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:00 pm

Are Ottomans really poufes? I have heard argument both for and against.

I’m guessing Turks would have the same proportion of gays as any other ethnic group. Why the big concern, Miss A?

shatterzzz
October 9, 2021 5:03 pm

Isn’t that the old Jumbo, the 747 not 727?
The 1st Jumbos didn’t become operational until 1968 ………

Baba
Baba
October 9, 2021 5:03 pm

Miss Anthropist
https://travel-exemptions.homeaffairs.gov.au/tep
https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

Unless things change significantly I you want your wife to come back you basically have to book Business or First Class. It seems the number of available quarantine places is finely matched to the number of incoming business and first class seats. If attempting to return economy she will be bounced and bounced. I’m not sure the mooted trial of home quarantine will have any effect on places.

The is little to be saved booking economy out, business back.

My comments do not apply to NZ bubble if that is still a thing.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:14 pm

Eyrie says:
October 9, 2021 at 4:57 pm

Whatever could be causing this? It’s a mystery.

There’s no mystery, Faulty2. Every site you link to (every single one) is some unknown junk site that you imply is factually based but instead it’s just dishonest junk. Time again you’ve been shown to have no ability to analyze data. You’re innumerate.

Excess mortality was running above average in 2020 in the US. It’s now running below average. Americans died from Covid last year and also died from other illnesses because the medical system was focused on one thing. This stat was discussed a few weeks ago here. The same should be apply in Europe.. Above average excess deaths in 2020 and below in 2021. And it dopes according to EUROSTAT.

Seriously, will you just fuck off with those fake sites, you dishonest c..t. Within a single hour , you’re a aeronautics expert in military hardware and then morph into a data scientist. You’re basically shit at everything.

Everything posted by you is dishonest deranged crap, you asshat.

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incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 9, 2021 5:14 pm

It’s not far away.

I’m happy to help out.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:16 pm

Faulty 2 junk sites

Market Ticker
Zero Hedge
and now
https://www.rintrah.nl/about/

The internet is a terrible fucking place for some people.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:19 pm

whoops

And it dips, according to EUROSTAT.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2021 5:19 pm

Ottoman poofs.
Geddit? No?

Say that down at your local kebab shop.
I Furqan Derya.

areff
areff
October 9, 2021 5:20 pm

Cop-ette who quit: “AAP understands Ms Mitchell resigned from Victoria Police on Friday morning, before the video was released, and she is being investigated by the Professional Standards Command.”

Of course she’s being investigated! What’s the point of turning a police force into this foul Premier’s private Stasi if you can’t nail your enemies?

She can expect a Richelieu-style quizzing (with plenty of leaks to favoured j’ismists).

An enemy of the Cardinal’s ridiculed him by responding to an obvious point with ‘one + two = three’

“Ah-ha, so you deny the Trinity, heretic” cried Richelieu, who had the unfortunate dragged off to the Bastille.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:20 pm

Glossary:Excess mortality
An unusual mortality increase during a specific period, in a given population, is often referred to as an excess mortality. Eurostat’s excess mortality indicator is expressed as a percentage of additional deaths in a month compared to a baseline period. In 2020, the baseline is given by average monthly deaths in the period 2016-2019. The higher the value, the more additional deaths have occurred compared to the baseline. A negative value means that fewer deaths occurred in a particular month compared with the baseline period.

..
No JC
..
Scroll down to the excess mortality graph for 15 – 44.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#excess-mortality

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:21 pm

Say that down at your local kebab shop.
I Furqan Derya.

Lol.. Run, just run and don’t look back.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 5:21 pm

Faulty 2 junk sites

Thus spake Sir oligarch, lord of the trading desk.
Add the following to junk sites whose numbers cannot be trusted:
ec.europa.eu
Sod-off you obfuscating know all.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:21 pm

So my Euro Stat chart is wrong, is Arky. Show me where it’s wrong?

I’ll wait.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:22 pm

(You need to scroll down about a third)

Winston Smith
October 9, 2021 5:22 pm

Top Ender:

At the local Coles they had recipe cards. I grabbed a few of those and followed the instructions, and voila!

I was looking for them in the local the other day – none to be found except on the sides of packets.
Currently doing a couple of loaves of bread.
I’ll flick you some when its done.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:23 pm

Thus spake Sir oligarch, lord of the trading desk.
Add the following to junk sites whose numbers cannot be trusted:
ec.europa.eu
Sod-off you obfuscating know all.

That’s an argument.

Tell us, are you still peddling socialism against capitalism, you loser?

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:23 pm

Click on my link, scroll past the first set of graphs (mortality) to the ones about 1/3 the way down, look at excess mportality for 15 to 44, JC.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:25 pm

No arky, sorry no dice. I’m not clicking on your link as there’s no need . Eurostat is good enough. And I posted Eurostat first, so disagree with my link if you can.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2021 5:26 pm

cohenitesays:

October 9, 2021 at 3:43 pm

31-Year-Old Man Plummets from 9th Story of Jersey City Building, Lands on head prefect’s BMW, and Lives

JC wouldn’t be caught dead in a 330 Beemer.
5-Series minimum.
330’s are what you buy the kids when they head off to that Ivy League college to blow $300k on an Arts degree.

P
P
October 9, 2021 5:28 pm
A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 5:29 pm

No arky, sorry no dice. I’m not clicking on your link as there’s no need . Eurostat is good enough. And I posted Eurostat first, so disagree with my link if you can.

Here we go. Only Sir Oligarch’s data is correct – even when it’s not. No evidence to the contrary will be supported.
You know Sir Oligarch, if the choice is between you JC with your brand of fascist capitalism and Stalin and communism, I choose Stalin and communism.
You are the best advert for communism on this site.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2021 5:29 pm

“incoherent ramblersays:
October 9, 2021 at 5:14 pm
It’s not far away.

I’m happy to help out.”

There’s a queue.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:30 pm

Click on my link, scroll past the first set of graphs (mortality) to the ones about 1/3 the way down, look at excess mportality for 15 to 44, JC.

Why the fuck would I or anyone look at excess mortality in a particular segment when the comment Faulty 2 made was that European mortality was higher in 21 or words to that effect through inference? Stop goosing up what he said by trying to protect his comment for some reason which i don’t particualrly understand nor care to figure out why.

Faulty 2 made this comment.

Whatever could be causing this? It’s a mystery.

With a link to this:

Too many people are dying and it’s starting to worry the demographers

There’s no mystery because the excess deaths in 21 is lower than 20.

Baba
Baba
October 9, 2021 5:30 pm

JCsays:
October 9, 2021 at 5:21 pm
So my Euro Stat chart is wrong, is Arky. Show me where it’s wrong?

It’s not wrong. It shows positive (ie above baseline) excess deaths from March 2020 onwards.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2021 5:32 pm

“I choose Stalin and communism.”

Wow…..choosing a mass murderer of how many human beings….at least twenty million.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:33 pm

Here we go. Only Sir Oligarch’s data is correct – even when it’s not. No evidence to the contrary will be supported.

If Eurostate is wrong then show how and where?

You know Sir Oligarch, if the choice is between you JC with your brand of fascist capitalism and Stalin and communism, I choose Stalin and communism.

Of course you do, we know that.

You are the best advert for communism on this site.

And you’re the best for holding slavery.

But lets avoid the personal, Comrade Lenin. Explain the problem with the Eurostat figures.

Go!

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:34 pm

Baba.

It’s not wrong. It shows positive (ie above baseline) excess deaths from March 2020 onwards.

The point is that it’s lower than 2020 and that is what you’d expect.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 5:34 pm

But lets avoid the personal, Comrade Lenin. Explain the problem with the Eurostat figures.

Nope. Pointless. You are merely here for the 5 minute argument.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:37 pm

Nope. Pointless. You are merely here for the 5 minute argument.

No, it’s not pointless. Even if you don’t want to satisfy my curiosity, you could help others understand, you commie cowpoke.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 5:39 pm

Even if you don’t want to satisfy my curiosity, you could help others understand, you commie cowpoke.

Nope, others can follow along or do their own investigation. You on the other hand are an Oligarch and are immune to logic, facts and argument – you hold yourself correct regardless of what others say, do or show to be fact.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:40 pm

JCsays:
October 9, 2021 at 5:25 pm
No arky, sorry no dice. I’m not clicking on your link as there’s no need . Eurostat is good enough. And I posted Eurostat first, so disagree with my link if you can.

..
Do you have Eurostat that breaks down by age?
Here’s Eurostat, with their data sets.
I can’t see it broken down by age.
The Euromomo is taking the same data, and breaking down by age.

Bons
October 9, 2021 5:42 pm

The Tiger situation was a little different to the MRH 90. Both decisions turned on the blatant anti-Americanism of the Acquisition organisation, but in the Tiger’S case there was a ferocious campaign against Apache led by Air Force (who wanted no armed competitors) but vigorously taken up by the arms Corps protecting their budgets and roles.
Of the two, the Brig’s and above from the arms Corps were the most destructive. A certain high heels favouring infantryman was influential.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:42 pm

During the 2009/2010 influenza A(H1N1) pandemic, the EuroMOMO network demonstrated how a timely, standardised and coordinated approach to mortality monitoring increases the European capacity to assess the impact of events with a potential impact on public health. Without EuroMOMO, Europe would have been less well prepared for the pandemic. In addition, EuroMOMO was pivotal to facilitate country-specific in-depth analyses of influenza-associated mortality in general or the impact of the pandemic more specifically.

Since then, the EuroMOMO network has compiled, analysed and shared weekly mortality data from all the participating countries, every week, all the year around.

From 2016 onwards, the EuroMOMO network has been supported by and worked closely with the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) Regional Office for Europe.

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Sounds legitimate to me.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:42 pm

Lol..
Okay Comrade Lenin. In other words you have zero to add other than abuse. Isn’t that just typical of a leftwing loser. Just typical.

How does it go? Oh yea

“Sod-off you obfuscating” loser.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 9, 2021 5:46 pm

Okay Comrade Lenin. In other words you have zero to add other than abuse. Isn’t that just typical of a leftwing loser. Just typical.

Hey, just giving you back what you freely dish out to others – Sir Oligarch.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:49 pm

Both datasets look to coincide for all ages excess mortality.
But the difference is when you look at the age groups.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:52 pm

Do you have Eurostat that breaks down by age?

For what purpose if we’re looking at Excess deaths in the EU. Breakdown is great to look for other oddities but it’s not what Faulty2 was referring to.

So far Faulty2 is 0 to 4.

1. He highlighted inver was essentially unavailable in the US. A single phone call to a branch of CVS showed it is available and was in stock. CVS is either the largest or the second largest drug chain in America.
2. The Zero Hedge bullshit about people dead from Covid – vaxxed vs unvaxxed in Maine -was data deficient and that turned out to be bullshit.
3. He peddled something by a supposed expert Doc from Market Ticker website which omitted the most important thing about mRNA that I found out from the expert I asked. mRNA is short-lived and replaces quickly.
4. Now the last one. The dishonesty about excess deaths.

Is there anything this bumbling fool gets right? And you defend this crap, right Arky? You defend it by trying to segment excess deaths by age implying he’s making a point.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:53 pm

This is expressed as a percent:comment image
This one in numbers, and you have to click the tab from cumulative to weekly, and it puts the different years on the same axis in different coloured lines, but it seems to me the base data used must be the same or very similar, the difference is the EuroMOMO breaks down into age groups.

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:53 pm
Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 5:54 pm

Hadn’t seen this mentioned.
A noodle armed pigeon chested jihadi got himself into strife. A familiar name.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/islamic-preacher-mohammad-junaid-thorne-jailed-for-selling-drugs-undercover-police/22b51848-c92e-4002-93ca-5691c82e968d

Arky
October 9, 2021 5:55 pm

And you defend this crap, right Arky?

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I looked at the data.
For the age group referred to, it says what he says it says, and it does not conflict with Eurostat.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 5:56 pm

Let me ask the question another way then, perhaps indirect.

Was Faulty2 discussing excess data broken down by age and therefore highlighting the increased death counts in particular population segments? Is that what he was doing, Arky as I missed that part of his comment?

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:01 pm

But keep in mind that I assiduously avoided all study of stats throughout my degree.
Can’t stand the stuff.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:02 pm

JCsays:
October 9, 2021 at 5:56 pm

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Dunno, I didn’t read the comment, just clicked on the links.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2021 6:06 pm

Rosie.

So the state can’t force vaxes on a huge segment of its own workforce but can on people not employed by them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2Y1r8uLZ4

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 6:08 pm

Stats is basically analysis and understanding what data is saying. There’s nothing magical in learning about looking at a chart like the Eurostat one I linked and seeing excess deaths are lower in 21 than 20. I think your degree wouldn’t be required for that.

Still, I remain confused why you thought Faulty2 was discussing an age segment and really curious to be shown where I missed that part of his comment or the ghost link he posted. Could you help, Arky?

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 6:13 pm

BREAKING: Federal circuit court reinstates Texas heartbeat abortion

Jeez..

The judiciary is just as broken as here. The left has destroyed it.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:14 pm

Still, I remain confused why you thought Faulty2 was discussing an age segment and really curious to be shown where I missed that part of his comment or the ghost link he posted. Could you help, Arky?

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As I said, I didn’t read his comment, I read the article he linked to, which discusses the data.

srr
srr
October 9, 2021 6:14 pm

Tom says:
October 9, 2021 at 4:57 pm

If I was a bit sus about doctors and their supposedly caring for the patient ethos before, after today I will never trust any doctor ever.

i won’t say all, but the vast majority of doctors are closet fascists who enjoy playing God. I exclude my GP, who is very good at her job and who I trust with my life.

Yet here we are, with so many of those doctors we would trust with our lives, being banned by Their Medical Overlords & Govts from giving us the best advice & treatments.

Some, accepting they can’t beat the bastards, take their expert medical knowledge to the public to warn them about the lies being sold for political power & financial profit at the unnecessary cost of lives, only to be libelled & slandered by paid Jab pushers.

And for those still unaware, it wasn’t only the Tuskegee Experiments that made black people in America untrusting of Govt/Medical advice, as this excellent presentation makes so very clear –
https://rumble.com/vnfzdp-shocking-video-shows-exactly-why-people-are-hesitant-to-take-the-vaccine.html?mref=5f67r&mc=7xi0y

rosie
rosie
October 9, 2021 6:15 pm

Went to a park on the Yarra today, a little surprised to see how many were unmasked and very pleased to see a group of young people enjoying some cold drinks.
That was after driving past Canterbury Gardens which were packed, the long queue on the corner was not for coffee as I guessed but to use the lone facilities.
I suspect a lot more people have had enough.

John H.
John H.
October 9, 2021 6:15 pm

Arkysays:
October 9, 2021 at 6:01 pm
But keep in mind that I assiduously avoided all study of stats throughout my degree.
Can’t stand the stuff.

There maybe unconscious wisdom in that because today some are calling for the banning of teaching statistics. Too much abuse of statistics. I don’t agree with banning it but all too often people use statistical analyses devoid of any context or qualifiers regarding their veracity.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 6:18 pm

Rosie

It’s over. The lockdown is done. Inner city traffic today was even busier than the regular non-lockdown day. Traffic on main thoroughfares was bumper to bumper.

rosie
rosie
October 9, 2021 6:19 pm

Oh and that article I linked this morning regarding the history of mRna
A lot of people have clearly made a lot of money, and a couple have not.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 9, 2021 6:19 pm

JC, I just posted a link with a question. Add in last weeks story of the 25% increase in heart attacks in west Scotland. The linked article says what it says. You are free to draw your own conclusions.
I’m sorry you can’t stand the thought that you took the vax because you were lied to. Your problem is that you are a Statist. You believe the government is looking after your best interests. They don’t care about you or if you live or die. Neither do I, nor I suspect, do a growing number of those who post here.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:23 pm

There maybe unconscious wisdom in that because today some are calling for the banning of teaching statistics.

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Hear, hear.
Unfortunately, while teaching VCE stats for some years I couldn’t completely avoid the topic.
Thankfully, the students were easily distracted by the groundskeeper using the leaf blower outside the window, clips from Evil Dead and my angry ranting about the school administration.

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 6:23 pm

Arky

As I said, I didn’t read his comment, I read the article he linked to, which discusses the data.

Okay, it discusses the data, right?

For a while now, we’ve had a mysterious jump in excess mortality in Europe. At first, nobody really paid any attention to it, with the exception of a handful of “right-wing populist anti-science conspiracy theorists”. At this point however, experts whose job it is to study trends like this are beginning to notice it too.

You can see for yourself the excess mortality for much of the EU here. Few people realize that in 2021 we have had as much excess mortality, as we did in 2020.

The last paragraph is wrong as the Eurostat link shows. There has not been as much excess mortality in 21 as 20.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:24 pm

At high school it gets lumped in with probability, a much more interesting topic.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:25 pm

The last paragraph is wrong as the Eurostat link shows. There has not been as much excess mortality in 21 as 20.

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For the 15 to 44 age group the excess mortality shown is MORE in ’21 than in ’20.

Zipster
Zipster
October 9, 2021 6:25 pm
Dot
Dot
October 9, 2021 6:26 pm

Of the two, the Brig’s and above from the arms Corps were the most destructive. A certain high heels favouring infantryman was influential.

Jeez, what an idiot.

Demote him to private, dishonourable discharge and unperson his pension.

rosie
rosie
October 9, 2021 6:27 pm

Yes it was busy all the way in, I had to park two streets away from what would normally be a pretty quiet spot.
And every time I drive past my local park I laugh, there’s actually been… traffic jams.
As soon as the regions open there is going to be an exodus of biblical proportions which will delight those who make a living from tourists and infuriate the rural zerocovidkarens.
In the early part of my park hopping day I met up with a couple of women who still think it’s the big bad but at least admit we will all eventually get up and personal with covid , even they were breaking the rules big time.

John H.
John H.
October 9, 2021 6:27 pm

Arkysays:
October 9, 2021 at 6:24 pm
At high school it gets lumped in with probability, a much more interesting topic.

Arky in my high school days very few did the advanced maths courses where stats and probability were taught. Do they now teach probability and statistics to all senior math students or only in the advanced realm?

JC
JC
October 9, 2021 6:30 pm

I’m sorry you can’t stand the thought that you took the vax because you were lied to.

Oh God, here it goes again. The Faulty 2 uneal. He actually makes faulty 1 appear honest.

Your problem is that you are a Statist.

Because I took the vax? And even though I’ve said vaxxing is a personal decision and mandates are evil.

You believe the government is looking after your best interests.

LOl. Yea, I ‘ve always maintained that. 🙂

They don’t care about you or if you live or die. Neither do I, nor I suspect, do a growing number of those who post here.

The mind reading, the lying. Human garbage on full display.

0 / 4

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:30 pm

Do they now teach probability and statistics to all senior math students or only in the advanced realm?

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It’s done as a separate subject, that students can choose.
We had Year 10’s who took it to give them a head start on the VCE, and I was stabbed a couple of times to take it.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 9, 2021 6:31 pm

The last paragraph is wrong as the Eurostat link shows. There has not been as much excess mortality in 21 as 20.

Actually if you compare January – July 2020 to January-July 2021 in your Eurostat link, there probably have been more excess deaths in that period in 2021.
There’s nothing particularly surprising about that since January and February 2020 (pre-covid) were negative while January 2021 was still covid big.

Nevertheless, I’m going to have to mark you a “fail” on this one JC.

John H.
John H.
October 9, 2021 6:35 pm

Zipstersays:
October 9, 2021 at 6:25 pm
Opinion: The next financial crisis is fast approaching

We’re Going to Have Another Great Depression.

I can’t remember if it was this video but on this channel the host made the claim that the level of money printing by governments now is unprecedented and very dangerous. Published one month ago.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
October 9, 2021 6:36 pm

JC
Someone earlier made a rather good pun regarding the Ottoman defeat at Lepanto. It mentioned poofs. I remembered (very vaguely) a discussion on whether or not poufes and ottomans where the same or different.
Just checking in case there were people here good on soft furnishings. And colours.

Arky
October 9, 2021 6:39 pm

I hadn’t really come across that excess mortality statistic before.
It’s interesting:

As many public health threats are not restricted by borders, international unified approaches are critical to detect and estimate the magnitude of excess deaths, as pooling of data increases power to detect changes quickly. Mortality monitoring should be ongoing to detect when and where excess mortality occurs.

Mortality monitoring becomes pivotal during influenza or other pandemics for several reasons. In a severe pandemic, mortality monitoring can be a robust way to monitor the pandemics progression and its public health impact when other systems are failing, due to an overburdened health care sector. Decision makers will require data on the pandemics impact and on deaths by age and geographical area in various stages of the pandemic. Mortality monitoring can provide such estimates, which will be important to guide and prioritize health service response and decision-making, i.e. use of antivirals and vaccines.
-https://www.euromomo.eu/how-it-works/rationale/

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