Open Thread – Weekend 13 Nov 2021


Partie aus Amsterdam, August von Siegen, late 18th C

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H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2021 10:48 am

One of my mate is sill dining out (no pun intended) on a fruit and veg trial he did back in the Golden Age of Perth strippers.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 10:48 am

Durham University in Durham, England, is reportedly offering its students online lessons on how to stay safe while working as a prostitute.

That course won’t last long. It’ll be ditched just as soon as the university realizes that the oldest profession is also one of the most free market capitalist.

I was amused yesterday to read that at Yale the administrators now outnumber the teaching and research staff. Also that the more people homeschool the fewer of the kids go to uni, which makes sense since college degrees are on the one hand increasingly worthless, and on the other hand increasingly expensive. Someone has to pay for all those administrators.

Yale Has More Administrators Than Faculty (Daniel Greenfield, 11 Nov)

How does homeschooling affect adolescents’ character, health and well-being? (Phys.org, 10 Nov)

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 10:49 am

Dover, the Smuf thumb is useful, provided you don’t overthink it.

Example – if something I say gets a stack of “thumbs”, I start to worry. There must be something I’ve missed! Being popular and sprouting stuff everyone agrees with isn’t being right.

Uh oh. I’m overthinking again.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 10:50 am

Also, the Down-Smurf can be used just as casually. And cruelly. And strategically.

Trust your gut instinct on this.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 13, 2021 10:52 am

callisays:
November 13, 2021 at 10:42 am
I think I understand Inception. Some of the visual effects are marvellous.

But I’ve probably got it all wrong. Maybe.

Which means the writers got it right.

This my favorite sort of SF. Exploring the possibilities, I understand there are thing wrong but does it really detract from the overall effect. Time to watch it again.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
November 13, 2021 10:55 am

That must have been quite a sight.

It was, Delta A. It was winter and all the volcanoes were snow capped. There is a line of volcanoes from Washington state, through Oregon and into northern California and the flight tracked past most of them. We also flew over Lake Tahoe before tracking into LAX. The scar on Mount St Helens from the 1980 eruption is very noticeable.

Roger
Roger
November 13, 2021 10:58 am

The Age on Victoria’s thick blue line:

The state’s war on crime has seen spending on police, courts and prisons grow at double or triple the rate of other states and territories over the past decade, with Victoria now arresting and jailing people at levels not seen since the 19th century.

We’ve come along way since Peel’s Princple of Policing No. 9:

“The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.”

But I’m not sure its progress.

Victoria, the place to flee.

Woolfe
Woolfe
November 13, 2021 10:59 am

I think you have it right Dover and it needs no tweaking. This is a blog on the internet FFS! Its not life.

I enjoy Lizzies posts so am also sorry she has gone, take a break and come back Lizzie!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 11:01 am

Curtin was the Daniel Andrews of his day.

Like a broken clock, Ed eventually gets one right.

Wasn’t John Curtin, as Leader of the Opposition, in March 1941, involved in private talks, with the Japanese Ambassador, Tatso Kawai, attempting to appease Japan, using the iron ore deposits of Yampi Sound as a bargaining tool?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 11:02 am

Also, the Down-Smurf can be used just as casually. And cruelly. And strategically.

Yep.

YouTube Hides ‘Dislikes’ Following Mass Downvoting of Biden Videos (11 Nov)

Aww, how sad that the proles don’t like Biden’s videos.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 13, 2021 11:04 am

Don’t care about location?
This bolt hole could be for you.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2021 11:05 am

Given the choice, I reckon the Downvote function is more useful than the upvote.
Unz puts an hourly/daily limit per commenter on it that appears to work.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 11:06 am

All those in favour of censoring thumbs and thumb direction, say “aye”.
Those against say “Nay”.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 11:07 am

The thumb up thing has reduced the #metoo comments making threads more scrollable for some. I had thought why one and not the other. Going through life expecting only praise has led to rubbish like trigger warnings.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2021 11:08 am

Wasn’t John Curtin, as Leader of the Opposition, in March 1941, involved in private talks, with the Japanese Ambassador, Tatso Kawai, attempting to appease Japan, using the iron ore deposits of Yampi Sound as a bargaining tool?

That would be Treason, if true.
No doubt Curtin was capable of it, the Yanks had an unfavorable view of him after his Call To America speech.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 11:12 am

And we will improve monitoring and enforcement, by establishing a public register of beneficial owners.

The Slime could well end up embarrassing some of their big corporate supporters, who are only in it for the virtue credits.

Megan
Megan
November 13, 2021 11:13 am

Let’s not go the thumbs down option. Don’t agree or don’t care? Scroll on.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 11:13 am

Dr Faustus had the answer.

UpTwinkles!

JMH
JMH
November 13, 2021 11:14 am

bespokesays:
November 13, 2021 at 11:07 am
The thumb up thing has reduced the #metoo comments making threads more scrollable for some. I had thought why one and not the other. Going through life expecting only praise has led to rubbish like trigger warnings.

I find the uptick a useful tool and as bespoke said limits monotonous ‘metoo’ replies. It also gives the author an indication as to whether or not they are right on target.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 13, 2021 11:16 am
Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 11:18 am
Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 11:19 am

PeterW:

The scary thing is that some “elder” who has never in his life been on your property, can point to a spot in an open paddock, proclaim that there used to be a special tree there, and declare it a “sacred site”. How the hell do you defend against that?

You defend against bullshit like this by knocking a Billion dollars off the $34 Billion a year for each Sacred Site.
THAT’S how it’s done. Only the genuine Sacred Sites will survive this test.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2021 11:20 am

Victoria, the place to flee.

Anybody still left in Victoriastan has only themselves to blame. Australia is a Federation, use it.

Roger
Roger
November 13, 2021 11:20 am

Wasn’t John Curtin, as Leader of the Opposition, in March 1941, involved in private talks, with the Japanese Ambassador, Tatso Kawai, attempting to appease Japan, using the iron ore deposits of Yampi Sound as a bargaining tool?

Not sure about the iron ore deposits but Curtin ‘s talks with Kawai had the approval of the War Council at the time. Kawai was seen as a moderate and Curtin was trying to gauge their influence on the Japanese gov’t. Minimal, as it turned out.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 11:23 am

cohenite

The left are all commies.

Not quite. As well as the international socialists (commies) you also have the equally gross national socialists (fascists), and their race obsessed variant (Nazis).

Rabz
November 13, 2021 11:24 am

The killing heat of climate change has struck again – 11 degrees at the moment

17 degrees in Sydneystan and blowing a gale. The weather this spring has been lacklustre, to say the least.

On Mt St Helens, skier, we drove through their in ’93. Incredibly eerie. Most of the film version of “The Road” was shot there, apparently.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 11:26 am

I was put off the LDP by Lyonhjelm.

Signature policies.
1. Gay marriage…. More government regulation of relationships, rather than less. Justified on spurious grounds. A genuinely Libertarian policy would have been to support a type of “domestic contract” relating to tge things that divorce courts now cover (kids and mutual property), while leaving the definition of marriage up to the parties involved and anyone that they can convince to support them.
2. Immigration based on bribing your way into the country. Sorry, but that is how pay-pet-entry works. Denying Australian the right to determine as a community what kind of people we value enough to permit them to join us.

Oh…. and a firearms policy which , while I would support it in principle, ignores the requirement to convince the majority.

The policies listed above, with the addition of a serious reduction in regulation and an emphasis on personal responsibility…. those, I would support.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 11:28 am

I like the cartoon that you linked to Dover.
The sort of thing I would like to see as a poster on the walls of many many buildings.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 11:28 am

Not quite. As well as the international socialists (commies) you also have the equally gross national socialists (fascists), and their race obsessed variant (Nazis

Cosmetic differences.

Once you disregard the symbols, slogans and the group-identities by which they divide society, there is little to choose between them.

Bloody ruin is the order of the day.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 11:30 am

That would be Treason, if true.

Eureka! We have found something that Mr Ed doesn’t claim to know.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 11:34 am

That would be Treason, if true.

Madness, induced by a CaSO4 overdose.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2021 11:34 am

Eureka! We have found something that Mr Ed doesn’t claim to know.

He’s waiting for the security tapes.

WolfmanOz (just existing in Melb. now)
November 13, 2021 11:34 am

I think I understand Inception. Some of the visual effects are marvellous.

But I’ve probably got it all wrong. Maybe.

Which means the writers got it right.

One of the very few movies this century that not only make you think, but also entertains.

One of my top 50 films of all time.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 11:39 am

Mater:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Australian_Post-War_Reconstruction_and_Democratic_Rights_referendum

You’re right – this isn’t the first time the Uniparty has tried to – in essence – destroy our Constitution, these days, they just ignore it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 11:42 am

dover

I put some info up on the First AIF personnel numbering system over at Muddy’s latest post. Muddy thinks it would be a good stand alone guest post. I am happy with that option if you are.

shatterzzz
November 13, 2021 11:43 am

And so the day arrives .. time to say goodbye to a family member, Wembley had reached the end.. both back legs had quit on him and no quality left after 14 years .. In the end it all went quite smoothly, I carried him into the car fairly easily, given his 45kg size, and once at the vet all the waffle about front/backdoor, masks & vax certificates were forgotten .. just carried him thru the foyer/reception out the back into the garden onto a blanket/stretcher, went without a whimper or bark just closed those big eyes a final time and it was all over .. had 5 minutes with him before the end, I held back the outward emotions but the daughter let the tears flow .. RIP WEMBLEY ….
Taken on a better day……
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Mater
November 13, 2021 11:45 am

A good crowd gathering in Melbourne.

Rabz
November 13, 2021 11:47 am

Sorry to hear it, Shatterzzz. I’m sure he had a good life and was a faithful friend.

JMH
JMH
November 13, 2021 11:48 am

shatterzzzsays:
November 13, 2021 at 11:43 am
And so the day arrives .. time to say goodbye to a family member

I’m feeling your sadness, shatterzzz. Think about a visit to your local pound or animal shelter, perhaps. When you’re ready.

JMH
JMH
November 13, 2021 11:50 am

Matersays:
November 13, 2021 at 11:45 am
A good crowd gathering in Melbourne.

Waiting for Rukshan.

Cassie of Sydney
November 13, 2021 11:51 am

“Megansays:
November 13, 2021 at 11:13 am
Let’s not go the thumbs down option. Don’t agree or don’t care? Scroll on.”

Agree.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 11:51 am

From The Sword in the Stone, T.H. White:

Master William Twyti drew one leg slowly from under the boar, stood up, took hold of his knee with his right hand, moved it inquiringly in various directions, nodded to himself and stretched his back straight. Then he picked up his spear without saying anything and limped over towards Beaumont. He knelt down beside him and took his head on his lap. He stroked Beaumont’s head and said, “Hark to Beaumont. Softly Beaumont, mon amy. Oyez à Beaumont the valiant. Swef, le douce Beaumont. Swef, swef.” Beaumont licked his hand but could not wag his tail. The huntsman nodded to Robin who was standing behind, and held the hound’s eyes with his own. He said, “Good dog, Beaumont the valiant, sleep now old friend Beaumont, good old dog.” Then Robin’s falchion let Beaumont out of this world, to run free with Orion and to roll among the stars.

The Wart did not like to watch Master Twyti for a moment or two. The strange little leathery man stood up without saying anything and whipped the hounds off the corpse of the boar as he was accustomed to do. He put his horn to his lips and blew the four long notes of the mort without a quaver. But he was blowing the notes for something else, and he startled the Wart because he seemed to be crying.

Mater
November 13, 2021 11:53 am

Matersays:
November 13, 2021 at 11:45 am
A good crowd gathering in Melbourne.

Shared misery has brought together and united the most diverse crowd I’ve ever seen.
The Red Ensign is out in full force…many upside down.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 11:53 am

Cassie of Sydney says:
November 13, 2021 at 11:51 am

Disagree.
Thumbs Down.
Release the lions please.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
November 13, 2021 11:54 am

the educated and those I thought of reasonable intellect swallow it all up and offer no resistance

The beauty of University education and social media. The dumb, compliant plebs get a diploma. All of a sudden they consider themselves ‘smart’ and hitch their wagons to any ‘expert’ analysis because smart and educated and we have Uni in common. Mix it with modern social media which gives the dumbarses the impression they are involved in the process. Voila! Welcome to the compliant shit show you now live in.

Most of these plebs make up the disgraceful managerial/administration class that permeates and oozes through society now. Public or corporate service doesn’t matter, people with meaningless, unsatisfying jobs that feed on the snark of bureaucracy and social media bedfellows to tut tut the proles that don’t conform.

There’s a few on this site.

JMH
JMH
November 13, 2021 11:55 am

The Red Ensign is out in full force…many upside down.

Yes, I noticed ensigns of both colours upside down last week.

Mater
November 13, 2021 11:56 am

And for the single blokes out there, geeeee there’s some hotties floating around!

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 11:57 am

C.L. won’t be impressed.

With the misuse of the flag, anyway.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 13, 2021 11:59 am

Cringeworthy and childish.
An offer of free beer to push COVID vaccinations in NSW | 7NEWS

Shows you just what the authoritarians really think about the hoi poloi – ” …..just dumb schmucks who’d surrender their health for a beer”. Oh how I seethe at their insufferable arrogance.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 12:02 pm

There is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 12:04 pm

Both Blue and Red Ensigns are marvellous flags with excellent histories.

Just at the moment, I prefer the red.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 13, 2021 12:05 pm

I don’t understand it.

The percentage of Thermomix ownership in this country has gone through the roof – and yet we still have covid.

‘Tis a mystery

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 12:09 pm

Radio check, over.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 12:11 pm

Not sure about the iron ore deposits but Curtin ‘s talks with Kawai had the approval of the War Council at the time.

I can’t post the link, but, yes, the iron ore deposits of Yampi Sound were the bargaining chip.

Mater
November 13, 2021 12:11 pm

Avi on site.
His security kinda stands out!

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 12:18 pm

Dot:

The biggest issue for me is the constant lying or failure to admit mistakes were ever made (or that they really didn’t know what to do).
That pisses me off the most. Gladys refused to admit the Ruby Princess was a mistake.

It’s the ego, Dot.
Our Brahmin Class are infallable.
Which brings me to this statement:
” “If there’s anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.”. ”
Zaphod Beeblebrox, Galactic President .

Mater
November 13, 2021 12:18 pm

Great sign:

“I can’t believe I have to protest this shit!”

Mater
November 13, 2021 12:19 pm

Another one:

“Did you shower after you fucked us?”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 12:23 pm

Carbon allotrope news.

Researchers compare energy consumption during extraction and synthesis of one diamond carat (12 Nov)

Energy costs are one of the main burdens in diamond production. Diamond mining in Eastern Siberia and South Africa, the sites analyzed in the paper, does not go beyond the range of 96-150 kWh per carat, which roughly corresponds to the median energy efficiency.

When synthesizing diamonds by the means of the High-Pressure-High-Temperature method (with an open cooling circuit), the most common one today, energy consumption amounts to only about 30 kWh per carat

There you go, the electricity you consume in one day can now make a 1 carat diamond.

Theorized mineral formed in earth’s mantle found in diamond (12 Nov)

Because the mineral, now called calcium silicate perovskite, can only form under extreme heat and pressure conditions, the researchers suspect the specks they found in the diamond had to form deep below the Earth’s surface—perhaps as far down as 660 to 900 km.

Increasingly the stuff inside the diamond is worth more than the diamond itself.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 12:23 pm

DB…. What breed(s) have you?

Assorted terriers and running-dogs, here.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 12:29 pm

I love my JRTs, all of them from hunting lines and they get to Do The Job. Foxes around here are wary.

We could do with more of their “No Quarter” attitude.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 12:34 pm

I can’t post the link, but, yes, the iron ore deposits of Yampi Sound were the bargaining chip.

Zulu – That’s mentioned in the 2 AIF official history v4 p18 PDF). I only know because I’ve been reading it lately.

Mater
November 13, 2021 12:35 pm

Damn there’s a lot of people down here!
Don’t let them tell you otherwise. Considering the weather, it’s incredible.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
November 13, 2021 12:35 pm

May I ask why the Red Ensign is significant? I actually own one (long story), it is currently the right way up, maybe I should be hanging it upside down ?

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 13, 2021 12:38 pm

I thought the same but Gab informed me it’s a naval sign of distress.

Perhaps the ANF or ARE, but never the AWE.
Bonus AWE fact:
Real Australian White Ensigns have a thingy sewn in to ensure that when close hauled
they are higher than the mast they are flying from.

Delta A
Delta A
November 13, 2021 12:41 pm

Let’s not go the thumbs down option.

I agree, Megan.

The thumbs-up is good for acknowledging an interesting, informative, funny or even cleverly sarcastic post. Occasionally, when I’m too lazy to read a long post, the upticks will send me back to read in full, usually to my benefit.

Thumbs down, OTOH, is negative, not useful on a blog like this.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 12:44 pm

The Red Ensign is the Royal Navy flag of the colony of NSW.

On the scottish dergs…a Toto? My neighbour had a pair of Cairn Terriers – great little dogs.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 12:46 pm

Under the Greens plan, multinational companies would need to stop tax deductions for royalties paid to other arms of the same company and publicly provide ­details of beneficial owners to “see who really owns what”.

I happen to work for a multinational octopus.
It has flingers in many..many pies and prides itself on always being in compliance with national obligations.

I know at this site they have spent many millions to generate a long term goal of an 8% return on investment.

The 8% is against whatever capital it has tied up long term in the operation.

Adam “Ex Slugs and Grubs” Bant thinks that is “profit shifting”.
What a maroon.

Crossie
Crossie
November 13, 2021 12:46 pm

johanna says:
November 13, 2021 at 10:18 am
So-called ‘universities’ are a parody of what they were even a couple of generations ago:

Even fifteen years ago. I know, I work in the industry.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 12:46 pm

Sorry. British Merchant Navy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 12:46 pm

Zulu – That’s mentioned in the 2 AIF official history v4 p18 PDF). I only know because I’ve been reading it lately.

Interesting reading, BoN, thank you.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 12:47 pm

Thumbs down, OTOH, is negative, not useful on a blog like this.

?

Less confrontational for those that do not whant to get soaked tears and spittle.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 12:47 pm

Ed Case:

The British tried to enforce a Smallpox Vax Mandate in the 1860s.
Refusers had their homes and contents seized and sold.
It was brought undone by neighbours attending the resulting Auctions, buying the seized property back and returning it to the rightful owners

That brought in an old memory – “Bonanza” had an episode where one of the neighbours went broke, the bank foreclosed and when the auction came up they had torn down all the ‘for sale’ signs so only friends turned up.
They bought the property for a dollar and sold it back to the farmer/rancher for the same sum.

Funny old memory.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Oh…. and a firearms policy which , while I would support it in principle, ignores the requirement to convince the majority.

YOU can convince people.

“Oh, we better not find Kyle Rittenhouse innocent, the majority of people have already made up their minds”

Nope. You do the right thing.

Other policies: stop subsidising things and they typically stop.

Also the state shouldn’t replace the church. Which one is the right one?

Runnybum
Runnybum
November 13, 2021 12:49 pm

Not sure why the need for freedom & shove the poison jab up your arse protest marches, very soon our very honest PM will put the state premiers in their place & rescue us from political tyranny.
Just watch.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2021 12:53 pm

The NT Government. Coming in hard against unvaxxed gummint workers. Or not. Or there could be dissent in various departments. So hard to know (the NT News):

PUBLIC servants who haven’t provided their vaccination status by Friday will be stood down on full pay, as the government scrambles to enforce its strict mandate within its ranks.

In a letter seen by the NT News, NT Health boss Dr Frank Daly advised unvaccinated employees they will continue to receive their full taxpayer-funded salary after the cut-off date for the Territory’s vaccination mandate for an unspecified period of time, flying in the face of comments made by the health minister.

Free holidays! Outstanding! Or not:

And unions representing public servants also believed the process of terminating the employment of unvaccinated public servants could take up until Christmas.

But Chief Minister Michael Gunner was having none of it. He told the NT News public servants without an exemption who refuse to get the jab will not be afforded any flexibility. “Disciplinary action will commence immediately for the unvaccinated,” he said.

“Not one single unvaccinated public servant will get one extra cent beyond what we are legally compelled to pay them”.

Compelling stuff from the Chief Minister, doing his best to deflect from his throwing of $12,000,000 to one of his matey mates for a grandstand at the Turf Club. His Privileges Committee also waved a ‘nothing to see here’ flag this week for one of his desperately-needed-for-a-majority MLAs who was sprung nut-deep in a cocaine and hooker arrangement earlier this year.

This should play out well. All in this together.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 12:54 pm

Denying Australian the right to determine as a community what kind of people we value enough to permit them to join us.

We have never had that right, not even under the least cucked of fake conservative “leaders” we have been inflicted with.

Have you seen who they refuse to deport? Literal creepers and child abusers who grab underage boob at the beaches in Sydney. They are also given different standards of criminal liability.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Such a sensitive blog.
Be careful not to upset someone by criticizing their words and avoid a Caesar like rejection of their assertions.

And I am going to hold my breath and stamp my foot until you all agree.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 12:57 pm

That brought in an old memory – “Bonanza” had an episode where one of the neighbours went broke, the bank foreclosed and when the auction came up they had torn down all the ‘for sale’ signs so only friends turned up.

Similar episodes in the Western Australian Wheatbelt, during the Great Depression – a harvester, brought for five shillings, and presented back to the original owner, was one example.

Mater
November 13, 2021 12:58 pm

The most diverse AND most polite crowd I’ve ever been a part of.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 13, 2021 12:58 pm

May I ask why the Red Ensign is significant?

None really, I guess. It’s just the boatie version of the national flag.
And just like the ANF, anyone can fly it, burn it or wipe their arse with it.
Unlike the White Ensign.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 12:58 pm

test.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2021 12:59 pm

A lot of upticks are just sentimentality.
There’s a load of downvotable commenting happening and JC hasn’t the time to attend to all of it.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 1:02 pm

Just sneaking a little breath and then I will hold it forever. You’ll see!

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 1:04 pm

I don’t like your new look bespoke.

DownTwinkles.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 1:04 pm

Did our glorious dear leader address the crowd?

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2021 1:06 pm

Pubblin, Military Tourettes, Facebooking, pro vax spamming, garden variety spamming, bitchfights, all these are worthy of the Downvote.

P
P
November 13, 2021 1:07 pm

Craig Kelly MP
@CraigKellyMP
·
6m
FREEDOM, FREEDOM, FREEDOM

A pleasure catching up with as many of our 20,000+ Victorian UAP members & supporters as I can throughout my day in Melbourne

I stand with all those who stand for Freedom

UNITED WE STAND

Pic:
https://twitter.com/CraigKellyMP/status/1459340084994396163

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 1:08 pm

Interesting reading

Zulu – The AWM has the full set of 22 volumes downloadable, but irritatingly you have to download each and every individual chapter. Grr. You’d wish at least they’d let you download a volume at a time.

I chased this up because the volume I’m reading turned out to be missing a chapter – I was able to dig it out and put it on my Kindle to keep on with the narrative. So I’m indebted to the AWM, but not to the person who forgot to add Ch 16 to the pile when binding the original hardback volume.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 1:13 pm

Proof, if needed that universities are not fit fore purpose.

Dr Tom van Laer is associate professor of narratology at the University of Sydney. He is an expert on the science of how behaviour in reality is changed by stories, such as advertisements, entertainment and social media

The less techical term is “Person who watches TV ads and youtube cat videos but cant make a decent one of his own”

Anyway this highly educated mong has decided the One nation Pauline vids are
*Dun Dun DunNNNNN*, a dangerous gateway drug into garage naziism.

The Please Explain videos could draw unsuspecting viewers to rightwing populism

Like her senator counterpart however, teacher Hanson often substitutes the real question she is asking us with another, more straightforward one*. So instead of fairly considering whether to follow her rightwing populism, she is asking voters whether she has the competence and integrity needed for re-election in comparison to Scott Morrison and associates**. If the answer to that question is yes, people are more inclined to listen to her and vote for her.***

We often adopt a readiness to obey when dealing with individuals or organisations we consider eligible to influence our decisions on the grounds of their competence and integrity. The likes of doctors, pilots, or plumbers enjoy this form of authority.****

However, our inclination to obey authority can also result in painful mistakes.*****

Certain characteristics are so often associated with authority figures that they may function as signal stimuli, automatically activating our inclination to obey. For example, the “students” address teacher Hanson with “Ms Senator Hanson”, she is the only one wearing distinctively business formal clothing, and she holds a clipboard. She misuses these attributes to convey authority. We are sensitive to such signal stimuli. For instance, we are more likely to accept instructions given by a teacher Hanson (“Bill, put that knife away”, “Craig, no phones in class”, “Sit down, Scott”, “Get out, Scott”) than by an ordinary Hanson.******

If we have the feeling that a candidate like Pauline Hanson has competence and integrity that other politicians lack, then she can be highly persuasive. In other words, relative competence and integrity can function as a signal stimulus for authority. It is hardly surprising, then, that advertisers often use supposed authorities.*******

The concern is that her surprisingly deftly produced content could draw in unsuspecting viewers********, and it can be expected that Hanson will dial up the polemic in her next video. In the vacuum of the current political landscape, Hanson aims to paint herself as a moral and skilled teacher. If you look carefully though, you will find that her interpretation of South Park may appear to leave satirists out of a job, but it does not fool anyone: a vote for her remains a vote for xenophobia.*********

*The infamous ‘dog whistle’ where asking “would you trust Morriswine or St Albo Dentata Immaculata to find a coconut on coconut island” actually means “Kill all the swarthies”??
** There are elder gods promising nothing but misery and depravation fore all eternity who are looking pretty good in comparison.
*** Democracy… In MY Austfailure!!!
*** Would that be anything like the 24/7 covid porn pumped out by every agency for the last 2 years to cover up the biggest government fuckup since the Romans decided to stick z statue of a golden pig over the Jerusalem gates as a joke?
***** “2 weeks to flatten the curve anyone?
****** Or it could be an effective parody of the knobs in parliament.
******* We are ruled over by anti democratic swine who have used emergency powers to deform and corrupt every institution they touch. Most of us would settle for “less evil” and be prepared to wait a while for competent.
******** Because everyone is a mindless cypher?
********* And there it is, the dog whistle, clearly heard by the dog writing this pile of hot garbage.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:14 pm

Dot:

PBO analysis of the Greens five-point tax crackdown suggests about $4.5bn could be clawed back under the new rules. When added to the Greens existing tax measures targeting “billionaires, tycoons and super-profits”, more than $391bn in revenue would be raised over the decade.

Are they talking about Pfizer?

One would hope so.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 1:17 pm

And I am going to hold my breath and stamp my foot until you all agree.

You need to scweam and scweam until you are sthick as well.
Can be difficult to combine with the holding your breath part.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2021 1:19 pm

The Greens Luuuurve Big Pharma.
Their policy is Forced Vaxxing for all Australians, no exceptions.
Don’t place any faith in Labor and the Greens or Pauline and Palmer to deliver us from Vaxtastrophe.
It’e either Scotty or Jonestown for Australia.

132andBush
132andBush
November 13, 2021 1:19 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 1:20 pm

The world

2020: “Wow what a crap year”
2021 ‘Hold my beer”
2022 ” Takes final huff on meth pipe before flooring the accelerator

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 1:23 pm

Dotsays:
November 13, 2021 at 12:48 pm
Oh…. and a firearms policy which , while I would support it in principle, ignores the requirement to convince the majority.

YOU can convince people.

There is a more subtle way to (perhaps) get a similar effect without raising the issue of guns. Develop a “Reasonable use of force in defence of self, family and property” policy. Leave the definition of “reasonable” open. Then it is open to argue that if someone comes at you with knuckledusters, a cricket bat is reasonable. With a knife, a gun is reasonable. With a gun, anything goes.

It would be possible to argue that lower degrees of force are reasonable if only property is at threat. But if someone breaks into your house with a weapon, debate about whether the intent was theft or assault would leave plenty of room for a smart lawyer to argue.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:23 pm

Eyrie:

I guess the current Qld cops aren’t like the old days under Joh.

There’s a lot to be said about the efficacy of the Brisbane phone directory on print, rather than a CD when conducting an ‘investigation’.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 1:23 pm

teacher Hanson often substitutes the real question she is asking us with another, more straightforward one*

This is how most teachers approach topics like global warming and gender. . Take it as an admission nothing else.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Johanna:

The working girls I knew when I lived next to Kings Cross would be bemused by this. Despite the media myth that most prostitutes are really just doing it to pay for their education or saving up to buy a house or to establish a charity for abandoned animals, the reality is not so pleasant.
They were mostly broke, no family support, unskilled, and often dependent on alcohol or other drugs.

Fact Check = True.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:28 pm

Rugbyskier:

At breakfast: “Granny, what was the side of Mount St Helens that blew up on May 18, 1980… on a Sunday? But I’m not sure of the time. 8.34 am, I think.”

The north side. Saw it from the air on a flight from Vancouver to Los Angeles.

I’d have said “The left.”
But I can be a sarcy bastard like that sometimes.
🙂

P
P
November 13, 2021 1:29 pm

Craig Kelly LIVE speaking now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njCLGESJlzI

John H.
John H.
November 13, 2021 1:29 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
November 13, 2021 at 1:13 pm
Proof, if needed that universities are not fit fore purpose.

Dr Tom van Laer is associate professor of narratology at the University of Sydney. He is an expert on the science of how behaviour in reality is changed by stories, such as advertisements, entertainment and social media

The less techical term is “Person who watches TV ads and youtube cat videos but cant make a decent one of his own”

Dr Tom van Laer is associate professor of narratology

FFS what has happened to modern education?

John H.
John H.
November 13, 2021 1:30 pm
Behind Enemy Lines
Behind Enemy Lines
November 13, 2021 1:31 pm

Matersays:
November 13, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Damn there’s a lot of people down here!
Don’t let them tell you otherwise. Considering the weather, it’s incredible.

Yeah, this one’s the monster.

As you said, a very diverse and friendly crowd. Too crowded for me, so I did a bunk. Will head back up when they’re done with their tour of the city.

Quite something to see the Central European flags out today. Poland and Croatia, especially. They still remember 1989.

Our so-called ‘leaders’ evidently don’t.

They need a good hard reminder.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 1:35 pm

PBO analysis of the Greens five-point tax crackdown suggests about $4.5bn could be clawed back under the new rules. When added to the Greens existing tax measures targeting “billionaires, tycoons and super-profits”, more than $391bn in revenue would be raised over the decade.

Is it true that Adam Brandt was awarded his PhD thesis on exploring the theories of Karl Marx?

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Dover)Beach:

I excluded the downvote in order to avoid abuse but that may actually have been counterproductive. I might try an alternative out for a week and see how it goes.

I like the idea of the downvote, mainly because if I’m dribbling shit, (Of which I am just as capable of as the next poster) or not, it gives me feedback. A downvote is less confronting than a reply full of sarcasm and anger, as well as less personal.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Dr Tom van Laer is associate professor of narratology at the University of Sydney. He is an expert on the science of how behaviour in reality is changed by stories, such as advertisements, entertainment and social media

He seems to be highly offended that la Hanson has listened to one of his lectures, and then used what she learned.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 13, 2021 1:36 pm

My best wee mate is a Border Terrier. Takes no commands only suggestions. Best dog ever. I tell the kids they are lucky I didn’t get him first. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 1:38 pm
Behind Enemy Lines
Behind Enemy Lines
November 13, 2021 1:38 pm

Craig Kelly just spoke – a barn burner. I wish you could hear the crowd roaring. Youtube / Facebook just don’t convey it.

Zipster
Zipster
November 13, 2021 1:40 pm

Dr Tom van Laer is Associate Professor of Narratologybullshitery at the University of Sydney

fixingly

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 13, 2021 1:44 pm

Amazing Bruce. My understanding is that Diamonds were a process in silica poor magmas at roughly 150km under huge pressures and temperatures that we are unlikely to find in the upper mantle anymore. Usually associated with Kimberlite pipes in Africa or lamprophyre dykes like Argyle in WA. 600km is 4 times deeper!

Interesting newly found mineral that had long been hypothesised.

Thanks, made some interesting Sat morn reading.

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2021 1:45 pm

People flee Victoria and go where?
Not WA not Queensland, no jobs in South Australia or Tasmania, too many…crocodiles in the NT which leaves NSW where apparently Dom Perrottet is Dan Andrews on stilts.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 1:47 pm

YOU can convince people.

There is a more subtle way to (perhaps) get a similar effect without raising the issue of guns. Develop a “Reasonable use of force in defence of self, family and property” policy. Leave the definition of “reasonable” open. Then it is open to argue that if someone comes at you with knuckledusters, a cricket bat is reasonable. With a knife, a gun is reasonable. With a gun, anything goes.

It would be possible to argue that lower degrees of force are reasonable if only property is at threat. But if someone breaks into your house with a weapon, debate about whether the intent was theft or assault would leave plenty of room for a smart lawyer to argue.

John….
I’ve been making those points – and a great many more based on the stats and science of criminology – since sometime back in the 80s.

It’s a multi-generational fight, and people must be led to the belief that firearms and hunting are normal, safe and a fundamental Right, because they cannot be driven.

DL. was poncing around the scene speaking as tho he was God’s Annointed Prophet , didn’t bother to make a convincing case… and only made us look like a bunch of ideologues..

Yes…. the evidence is that properly administered “Shall Issue” CCW does far more good than harm.
No… there is no evidence that banning scary-looking guns makes anyone safer.

….. but right now, I’d consider just being able to own the same firearms that I could in the 80s, and with the same level of licencing, a damned fine first step.

One step at a time.

Roger
Roger
November 13, 2021 1:47 pm

FFS what has happened to modern education?

Search “long march through the instututions”; the universities were the first to be targeted.

Rabz
November 13, 2021 1:47 pm

Dr Tom van Laer is associate professor of narratology at the University of Sydney. He is an expert on the science of how behaviour in reality is changed by stories, such as advertisements, entertainment and social media …

… and fresh off the B Ark, which of course, he neglected to mention.

Perfesser of Narratology.

Seriously? 😕

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 13, 2021 1:49 pm

Anyone looking for a region/council to stack and take over should consider the numbers needed.

They just had a local election here for 1 new councilor.
Margi was only 27 votes


Out of 35 votes cast….

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2021 1:51 pm
Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 1:51 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

I was amused yesterday to read that at Yale the administrators now outnumber the teaching and research staff.

The main prize here is the Yale endowment fund – worth billions.
The Left can certainly put it to good use, employing activists who are unemployable in mainstream society, and make grants to one armed lesbian bus conductors who want to investigate white rage in the cinema.

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2021 1:56 pm
JMH
JMH
November 13, 2021 1:57 pm

I was waiting for “trusted” MSM to vigorously downplay the crowd size.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 13, 2021 1:57 pm

Wow more geology, Mt St Helens. Pyroclastic flows and lahars from the melting snow water. Caused quite a lot of damage and lucky it wasn’t closer to a population centre.

US has a bunch of these types of Volcanoes, also the caldera sitting below Yellowstone which some think is overdue for eruption.

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2021 1:57 pm
Gab
Gab
November 13, 2021 1:59 pm

So the hairdresser of 18 years or more told me no because her daughter is pregnant. Mind you, they are all double jabbed, including the daughter. I didn’t argue just thanked them for letting me know. But I did think, what’s the point of getting jabbed if it provides you no protection?

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 1:59 pm

May I ask why the Red Ensign is significant?

None really, I guess. It’s just the boatie version of the national flag.
And just like the ANF, anyone can fly it, burn it or wipe their arse with it.
Unlike the White Ensign.

Errr….. No.
Back in the day, it was decided that Australia was going to have TWO flags.
The Blue was the official flag of the new Federal Government and its branches and representatives. Not even State Government offices could fly it.
The Red was the Australian Flag to be flown by Australians who were not official representatives of the Federal Government

That is why the Blue Ensign was flown at the 1904 Olympics, over every Australian Army establishment since 1908, and has been the Battle Flag of the RAN since 1911.

Pressure to allow the rest of us to fly the same flag as our troops fought under grew during both world wars and by the time that the Flag Act was passed after WW2, the Prime Minister correctly noted that it was only formalising what Australians were doing anyway.

The Red Ensign is regaining popularity for those Australians who wish to signify that they are agents or servants of this Government.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 2:02 pm

But I did think, what’s the point of getting jabbed if it provides you no protection?

That question doesn’t matter any more Gab.

We have now entered Post Reason World.

We’re all going to get it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 2:04 pm

From “The Age.”

Thick blue line: Victoria builds the country’s biggest police force
By Chris Vedelago and Royce Millar
November 13, 2021 — 5.00am
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Victoria has become one of the most heavily policed states in Australia after a two decade-long law and order rivalry between the ALP and Coalition helped build the country’s largest law enforcement organisation.

The state’s war on crime has seen spending on police, courts and prisons grow at double or triple the rate of other states and territories over the past decade, with Victoria now arresting and jailing people at levels not seen since the 19th century.

Growth in criminal justice system spending has outstripped that of education and health since 2013, evidence of the political priority given to police numbers and law and order, especially by the Andrews government since it was first elected in 2014.

Crossbench MP Fiona Patten, who is chairing a parliamentary inquiry into the state’s criminal justice system, said she was concerned that mounting law and order spending was diverting funds from programs that could help prevent crime.

“You can’t build mental health facilities, you can’t fund the affordable housing we need, while investing in police and prisons at the rate we are,” the Reason Party leader and prominent upper house MP told The Age.

Victoria Police now has 22,000 personnel and government funding worth $4 billion a year, surpassing that of NSW Police even though the northern state is three-times the geographical size with 1.4 million more people.

Victoria has 327 police staff per 100,000 population, substantially more than NSW (263) or any other eastern state or the ACT. The most heavily policed jurisdiction in the country is the Northern Territory.

On the question of police numbers, Victoria Police refused to comment on whether it now has an appropriate level of staffing. But a spokeswoman noted the recent bushfires and coronavirus pandemic had demonstrated how “agile and responsive” the organisation needs to be.

“There is no doubt police are working harder than ever, locking up offenders in record numbers, partly in due to the additional resources,” the police spokeswoman said.

“Just like any other organisation, Victoria Police will continue to review its resources to ensure it has the right number of people in the right places.”

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:04 pm

Have you seen who they refuse to deport? Literal creepers and child abusers who grab underage boob at the beaches in Sydney. They are also given different standards of criminal liability.

Dot.

While true, that is no excuse for making things worse.

Kneel
Kneel
November 13, 2021 2:04 pm

“It is young people and even school kids who are talking about the illogic of it all. It seems that our education system has not managed to completely eradicate in our young the ability to reason.”

Times change, but people do not.
The young have always been rebels, as even fairly recent history shows: “reds under beds” led to hippies and the flower power generation. From milenials on, each generation polls as more conservative – because “the man” is now Mr Progressive, and they rebel.
They too will “put it right”, or at least say they will.
But they won’t, because their kids will also rebel and want to change things, want to “make the world better”.

As communications tech has improved, this has sped up – from the printing press, through radio and TV, up to the internet and social media.

The more things change, the more they stay the same – they just stay the same faster now. 🙂

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:13 pm

Jack Russells have a very peculiar anatomy.
Half heart, half balls and half adrenal gland. Yes, I know, but that’s how it seems to work.

Very smart until it’s time to hoist the Battle Flag, then it’s full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes. If you’ve never seen the little idiots decide to play lawn-darts from 10 metres up in a hollow tree, because it was the quickest way down, you might not understand why I have grey hairs.

Mater
November 13, 2021 2:18 pm

herald sun said a thousand

Crap, but typical.

Look at this, and they could capture all the way up the various roads.

https://twitter.com/newsheli/status/1459348839442173953?s=10

I couldn’t see everyone, at any one time, from anyone spot, but plenty think it could have half filled the MCG. I can’t argue with that guess.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:22 pm

DL. was poncing around the scene speaking as tho he was God’s Annointed Prophet , didn’t bother to make a convincing case… and only made us look like a bunch of ideologues..

He was elected and he was polite to people like Bob Day. He made very good criticisms of government waste, spoke out against misandry, the right to self defence.

That’s why Sarah Hanson Young railroaded him. The thugs on the left can’t have us winning arguments.

Senator Rice was using Euridice Dixon as a spiritual spittoon to bash men, David championed a right to self defence to crims like Adrian Bayley.

It is pretty funny watching Peter W and Bons claim that David Lionhelm physically or mentally hurt them by being a Senator. “Oh he bullied me”. Yes, sure he did. The Liberals would NEVER bully you.

Mater
November 13, 2021 2:23 pm

and they couldn’t capture all the way up the various roads.

Mater
November 13, 2021 2:24 pm

We were packed in like sardines, and there still wasn’t enough room to get even close to hear the speakers.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:24 pm

herald sun said a thousand

They lie.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:30 pm

It is pretty funny watching Peter W and Bons claim that David Lionhelm physically or mentally hurt them by being a Senator. “Oh he bullied me”. Yes, sure he did. The Liberals would NEVER bully you.

Dot…

Lying about those who disagree with you is never clever. It just demonstrates that you can’t debate legitimately.

There were times that Lyonhjelm could make good, intelligent points. The problem was that he was not consistent and did not consistently follow Libertarian principles – which is typical of his political history, bouncing from party to party as his progress failed to match his ego.

Don’t lie . That doesn’t “hurt” me. It just makes any party that he leads, a non-candidate for my support.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:30 pm

PeterWsays:
November 13, 2021 at 2:04 pm
Have you seen who they refuse to deport? Literal creepers and child abusers who grab underage boob at the beaches in Sydney. They are also given different standards of criminal liability.

Dot.

While true, that is no excuse for making things worse.

If you want less immigration with a price system, you put the price up. There is nothing stopping you having character tests, IQ tests, whatever you like.

We have never made decisions as a community as to who stays and who doesn’t.

There was an appellant recently who got to stay because he claimed he was indigenous.

We don’t have a price system and there was no town meeting of concerned citizens overruling the courts.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:31 pm

The problem was that he was not consistent and did not consistently follow Libertarian principles – which is typical of his political history, bouncing from party to party as his progress failed to match his ego.

PROVE IT.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:33 pm

We were packed in like sardines, and there still wasn’t enough room to get even close to hear the speakers.

If there were not 10,000 there, I’d be surprised.

But I’m not surprised that the liars are lying about it. They’ve been doing it for over 30 years.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:35 pm

PROVE IT.

I’ve already done so. Shouting demands that I should repeat myself does not help your case.

PeterW
PeterW
November 13, 2021 2:45 pm

If you want less immigration with a price system, you put the price up. There is nothing stopping you having character tests, IQ tests, whatever you like.

We have never made decisions as a community as to who stays and who doesn’t.

There was an appellant recently who got to stay because he claimed he was indigenous.

We don’t have a price system and there was no town meeting of concerned citizens overruling the courts.

Playing bait-and-switch does not help your case.
The point that I objected to was not about who was being permitted to stay, but how we determined who should come here in the first place.

No, there is nothing stopping other categories being applied except the LDP policy of not applying those tests.

Existing bad policy does not justify new bad policy. Whining that the other parties policies are just as bad, is what has entrenched the major parties’ votes in the first place. We don’t get better results while applying the same old fallacies.

Now that DL has gone, and given the list of policies listed earlier, I was encouraged to give the LDs a second look, but if you are representative of the party, maybe not.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:47 pm

That’s not true Peter.

David L acted consistently with party policy and philosophy as a Senator. You cannot come up with an example of how he didn’t other than you don’t like him and he voted/joined other parties before.

He joined the party in 2007 and never left.

He was criticised for not giving the government power against the thuggish building unions.

In light of how the Public Health Acts have been abused, his decision has proven to be wise and insightful.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 13, 2021 2:48 pm

Loving my new-found “thumbs up” power.
Leave the cat for a while, come back, click once and bingo – a dozen or more are added to the total.

Megan
Megan
November 13, 2021 2:50 pm

Keep the updates coming, Mater! Appreciate and support every one of you out there.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 2:52 pm

I don’t think it would be strong enough, Rachel.

Is that a gallows for ants?

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 2:53 pm

Sorry. My Twitter Fu is lousy. Scroll down for the horrible instrument of punishment.

srr
srr
November 13, 2021 2:54 pm

shane whitely @newsheli · 48m
Crowd jam packed from Parliament House all the way down to Elizabeth St. Flushed face
Massive numbers #Melbourneprotest

shane whitely @newsheli · 31m
Having filmed many years of protests over the CBD from the news-chopper, I estimate over 100k people.
#Melbourneprotest
***

YET, this E Petition –
“Reject the Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021”
– still ONLY has –
Total signatures including previously tabled
10395

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/council/petitions/electronic-petitions/view-e-petitions/details/12/415

If anyone doesn’t believe Dictator Dan’s Govt Lackies aren’t dodgying up these numbers, I have abridge to sell …

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:55 pm

Now that DL has gone, and given the list of policies listed earlier, I was encouraged to give the LDs a second look, but if you are representative of the party, maybe not.

Okay, but this is very precious. You want to vote for a party where everyone agrees with you?

Sukrit Sabhlok tried that, he also reckoned there were only 26 libertarians in Australia.

Guess what, none of them have ever been elected.

You can call lefties “soy boys” but this flouncing is really telling why the right cannot win any elections (apart from Bosi and Bernardi being an op by Turnbull).

Here’s an idea. If you like 95% of what a party offers, join up, change the stupid policies, the sky is the limit.

Trump did just that.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
November 13, 2021 2:57 pm

Victoria has 327 police staff per 100,000 population, substantially more than NSW (263) or any other eastern state or the ACT.

Victorians have always been recalcitrant.

Often need to be whipped and beaten to toe the line.

P
P
November 13, 2021 2:58 pm

PeterW
Five years ago this article offended me mainly because of these sentences:

“It’s bad enough that people continue to bring wave upon wave of these little blighters into the world,”
“The least they can do is immunise their bundles of dribble and sputum …”

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 2:58 pm

Mater, let me tell you. From what I’ve seen, probably double last weekend’s turnout. As some wag on twitter said, newsrooms are sweating bricks trying to ensmallen the numbers.

Doesn’t even matter. NSW is near 95%/90% single/double vaccinated, the government have created a mob.

I make no apologies (Hi, Kevin!) for comparing myself to a pre WWII European Jew.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 3:00 pm

he also reckoned there were only 26 libertarians in Australia.

Wrong, 3 mayby 5 max.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 3:03 pm

“It’s bad enough that people continue to bring wave upon wave of these little blighters into the world,”
“The least they can do is immunise their bundles of dribble and sputum …”

Oh no! The bad man offended me! All he wanted was to lessen the government’s boot on my neck!

You know what it is offensive, but he was sadly right. Maybe twostix is a bit like David L.

There is a massive underclass in this country with crippling generational welfare and poor health.

David L wanted them not to pay crippling taxes, tariffs or excise and get rid of occupational licensing so they could be upwardly mobile.

Peter Costello said nice things, gave people money to have kids they couldn’t afford and is a full blown Branch Covidian.

Leyonhjelm got a warning off the TGA for giving people Ivermectin earlier this year.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
November 13, 2021 3:08 pm

Peter Costello said nice things, gave people money to have kids they couldn’t afford and is a full blown Branch Covidian.

Leyonhjelm got a warning off the TGA for giving people Ivermectin earlier this year.

are Nano-Wrigglers near your place Dot?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 13, 2021 3:09 pm

Victoria has 327 police staff per 100,000 population, substantially more than NSW (263) or any other eastern state or the ACT.

No wonder that bribes are cheaper in NSW.
Competition will eventually sort things out.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 3:09 pm

I have a veritable army of nano wrigglers.

I get mine from Rapala and Daiwa.

Might give them a flick tonight.

srr
srr
November 13, 2021 3:11 pm

GreyRangasays:
November 13, 2021 at 1:36 pm

My best wee mate is a Border Terrier. Takes no commands only suggestions. Best dog ever. I tell the kids they are lucky I didn’t get him first. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

Yes!
I don’t have much time for the little yappy & snappy types but living & riding with Borders, Hounds & Horses was bliss.

My son wanted a, “little puppy that doesn’t grow up”, and Border Terriers were the only Big dog in small package I could find to make us all happy.

bespoke
bespoke
November 13, 2021 3:13 pm

Dumb thing to say though Dot. He forgot that he’s not in front of likeminded people who understood the nuance.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
November 13, 2021 3:13 pm

We were packed in like sardines, and there still wasn’t enough room to get even close to hear the speakers.

Next week try ducking up Meyer Place, then go up Little Collins to Spring Street, and turn left towards Parliament House. Still pretty crowded but you could hear most of what the speakers were saying.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 3:14 pm

I never said he’d win a nobel prize with that level of snark.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
November 13, 2021 3:25 pm

@Dot

your mob still have a position at the furniture store…

why is it not used?

https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/board/30/liberal-democrats

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 13, 2021 3:27 pm

From Zulu’s link above:

The most heavily policed jurisdiction in the country is the Northern Territory.

Tennant Creek is the most heavily policed town/city in the country. 44 police officers last time I looked. Includes one standing outside every bottle shop every minute they’re open. (They close at 4pm, too.)

Still an absolute dump, with endemic violence most of the day and especially at night.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2021 3:30 pm
FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
November 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Top Ender says:
November 13, 2021 at 3:27 pm

@TE

why does Tennant Creek exist anymore?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 13, 2021 3:36 pm

Tennant Creek

Met a plumber from there in South East Asia once. A real character, his description TE matched yours, rough as guts but the money was awesome apparently.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2021 3:39 pm

44 police officers last time I looked

Yup. In a town of 3100. All of them are flat stick, all day every day.

Thank you, welfare state.

Indolent
Indolent
November 13, 2021 3:40 pm

The problem with down votes is that quite often it’s the content you disagree with, not the poster. There’s plenty to disagree with out there. But downvoting it simply penalizes the messenger.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2021 3:45 pm

why does Tennant Creek exist anymore?

The mines shut years ago. It exists solely because:

1. It provides services to god knows how many cattle stations, as Katherine is 700km one way and Alice Springs 500km the other;
2. It is base camp #2 for the Central Land Council to conduct federal rorts;
3. Speaking of which, it is a government services aka welfare centre where countrymen* can manufacture twice their considerable benefits by using both their traditional and Anglicised names; and
4. As Rockdoctor indicated from the conversation with his acquaintance, tradies of any stripe can charge shit tins of money for anything, and to anyone, and especially open-chequebook governments.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2021 3:45 pm

*blackfellas.

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 13, 2021 3:54 pm

Minister for fizzer is about the nicest thing you could say about that little lieboral dauphin

HD
HD
November 13, 2021 4:01 pm

I noticed this interesting result of a US Solicitor’s freedom of information request. Suggesting the CDC does not have records of persons previously testing positive for corona since recovered, that later test positive again, who consequently passed it on to someone else.

Never mind that bit that I’ve never quite understood how a test finding something stuck in your nose or throat indicates that someone is either/both sick with or infectious to other people with whatever it is. This is after all largely the domain of the innate immune system and there may never be a significant enough exposure for the adaptive immune system to respond. Just because something potentially nasty is in my nose does not mean I am or will get sick from it.

I have not come across a similar result locally, that is to say the result of a GIPA request, subpoena…the like… asking the same, similar or conceptually transferable question. Such as any proof that a non jabbed person, never tested positive, that has pre-existing specific or cross reactive T-cells/ antibody has passed on corona to someone else- that then actually got sick to some degree(?)

I say “never tested positive” because there is plenty of clear evidence that a specific adaptive response can be generated to covid. By being exposed though never testing positive or getting sick. I’ll bet given studies such as this, the vast majority of unjabbed people at present in Australia, already have developed, are in the process of, or will soon have- specific T-cell immunity to spike protein. Perhaps scarily enough as a result of involuntary exposure to franken-protein shed by genetically modified individuals.

Indolent
Indolent
November 13, 2021 4:01 pm

Harking back to the discussion of films, there are two which really ring the bell with what is going on now – both SciFi, of course.

The first one, made in 1973 (and actually references 2022!), is Soylent Green. The other is the more recent (1997) Gattaca which quite clearly demonstrates the type of techno control and surveillance which is threatening us right now.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 4:02 pm

So the hairdresser of 18 years or more told me no

Ditto last week. She’d thought about it and said it would be best for her business to not cut the hair of the unclean unvaxxed. I just said nicely thanks for letting me know, since she’s very blonde and it was clearly a strong emotional thing for her. No point arguing, at least I could be polite and friendly about it.

Vicki
Vicki
November 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Can anyone get the live coverage of the Melbourne protest? Craig Kelly was speaking 12 minutes ago – but all coverage I am seeking is being blocked. Even Rukshak

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 4:09 pm

dover0beachsays:
November 13, 2021 at 3:41 pm
Greg Hunt is the Minister for Pfizer.

Below is part of a comment I put up on the Non-answer thread. How many Australian politicians have benefited from “understandings”
with major pharmaceutical companies during this mess?

The second group is the scientists and manufacturers of Big Pharma. They see multiple trillions in gross profits in the years ahead. They need markets, however, to get those profits. They noted that the Chyneese have successfully bought their way to economic dominance by bribing politicians, this being much cheaper than fighting wars of conquest. They are your second para above. They are more dangerous.

The oligarchs of Big Pharma have followed that process. If you are expecting to make trillions. a couple of million each to even a few hundred politicians is a worthwhile investment, which in any case can probably be written off as advertising and public relations expenses. They don’t mind if some ill effects result from their products, as they can then provide (at further profit) “cures” for the ailments they caused.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
November 13, 2021 4:12 pm

That is why the Blue Ensign was flown at the 1904 Olympics, over every Australian Army establishment since 1908, and has been the Battle Flag of the RAN since 1911.

The battle flag is the white ensign

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2021 4:14 pm

Harking back to the discussion of films, there are two which really ring the bell with what is going on now – both SciFi, of course.

And The Blob. Although we’re beset by at least three Blobs eating all that’s in their way right now: the climate bedwetters, the health nazis and the deep state control freaks. Plus a few other blobs of various sorts like the aboriginal industry and the education unions.

The original Blob was defeated by cold, which might work on the thermageddonists. But alas that won’t help with the CMO karens or the alphabet agencies. One could wish that they’d consume each other, but I suppose that would just produce one gigantic Blob.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2021 4:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
November 13, 2021 at 4:02 pm
So the hairdresser of 18 years or more told me no

Ditto last week. She’d thought about it and said it would be best for her business to not cut the hair of the unclean unvaxxed. I just said nicely thanks for letting me know, since she’s very blonde and it was clearly a strong emotional thing for her. No point arguing, at least I could be polite and friendly about it.

I bought clippers and combs on-line from the Shaver Shop. Stand in front of the mirror, plough away. The first effort was still a bit shaggy, the second about three weeks later is better than some haircuts I have paid for. By the time I do it five or six times, it will be OK.

Anyway, since social activity is limited, now is the time to practise.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2021 4:18 pm

Dover Beach:
Pro- family/ household economic and social policy – income splitting for marrieds with children.
Limited immigration (10k and pay to have position on list. No family reunions) for next 10 years.
No importing “skills not available workers” into Australia.**. ***.
Subsidiarity in decision-making.
Complete ban in sex surgery outside of intersex cases. No use of Puberty blockers.
Complete ban on surrogacy/ easing ability to adopt for married hetero couples/ singles only when kin.*
Defense of Australian historical subjects;
Restore national days and holy days as actual days off for the vast bulk of the workforce.
Confiscate the mines etc payments to Aboriginals and use this to defray some of the $34 Billion/year costs.
Start policing the amount of corruption in our government departments. None of this going soft on some of the population because ‘religion/race/nationality’.
*The problem is the agencies making the decisions on adopting – they need to be culled of the Woke.
**Either train them here or go without. We are seeing the replacement of Australian workers with foreigners whose skills peak at operating a cash register in a servo or bottle shop.
***Freeze the dole. Be harsh with the ‘move to where the work is’ proviso.
Lastly, defund the parasitic arms of government.

sfw
sfw
November 13, 2021 4:18 pm

9 years ago my wife bought a metal ‘Christmas Tree’ it was just a frame,no leaves or anything, that year she put it out the front with Christmas lights on it. Then it went in the shed, it’s been sitting and taking up space in the shelving ever since. I was cleaning up and took a load to the tip, saw the ‘tree’ and threw it on. That was last week. Sure enough she says to me last night, “Where’s the metal Christmas Tree, I want to set it up out the front”. I explained. Now I’m the worst in the world.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
November 13, 2021 4:19 pm

I bought clippers and combs on-line from the Shaver Shop

A friend of mine bought one that looks like a ball with a handpiece, does a perfect #3 crewcut

Baba
Baba
November 13, 2021 4:20 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2021 4:20 pm

3. Speaking of which, it is a government services aka welfare centre where countrymen* can manufacture twice their considerable benefits by using both their traditional and Anglicised names; and

That was the lurk in South Australia a few years ago – you had two houses, one in your traditional name, the other in your Anglicised name, and you lived in one, while the other was repaired – rinse and repeat…

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 13, 2021 4:20 pm

why does Tennant Creek exist anymore?

Knuckles summed it up.

It’s odd really. Anyone coming from Qld turns right onto the Stuart Highway at Three Ways, which is north of the town. So it misses a lot of the tourist trade.

calli
calli
November 13, 2021 4:21 pm

You woosses with clippers! Dressmakers’ shears. Big ones.

They give an avant garde look second to none!

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 13, 2021 4:26 pm

PeterW says:
November 13, 2021 at 12:04 pm

Both Blue and Red Ensigns are marvellous flags with excellent histories.

Just at the moment, I prefer the red.

I prefer the original Australian flag which was chosen at Federation by a public vote.

This is a great flag and it reflects who we are. On the top left hand side we have the Union Jack (signifying the Union of Jacob, the House of Israel), under that we have the six-pointed star representing the Magen David (Star of David), so together it represents the House of Israel and the House of Judah together, both under the Southern Cross.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
November 13, 2021 4:27 pm

PeterWsays:
November 13, 2021 at 2:24 pm
herald sun said a thousand

They lie.

Given how innumerate many products of modern education are, it may not necessarily be dishonesty.

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