Where’s the evidence that these vaxxines are actually safe?

50 thoughts on “Where’s the evidence that these vaxxines are actually safe?”

1. They are not vaccines. People should stop playing Humpty Dumpty with words. That way there be madness. Use proper English. Those venoms are not vaccines.
   Got it? They. Are. Not Vaccines.
   Can I be any clearer that they are not vaccines?

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2. Vaccines haven’t been properly tested either.
   So it doesn’t matter what injection of toxins are called.
   All of it damages the Immune System irreparably for the financial benefit of rent seekers.

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3. Surely that must make you wonder why they are so reluctant to put this information before the public at the present time, especially if we “have strong scientific backing [that the vaxxines are] both safe and effective in preventing COVID-19.”

   Methinks someone doth protest too much. Simply put, if there is nothing to hide why would you hide it?

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4. With Austria having dropped all pretence at what this game is all about (hint: not a virus or public health) and having made ‘vaccines’ compulsory for everyone under a threat of huge fine (~AUD 2K per hit) and/or imprisonment, I think it’s a safe bet that Dan Andrews and the other premiers will be announcing their versions of same shortly.

   Because it’s apparently the ‘anti-vaxxers fault’ that ‘cases’ are up again. Nothing to do with seasonality and that 100% vaxxed Gibraltar with record ‘cases’ must have been infected by some dirty unvaxxed Spanish. Or something.

   Now repeat after me: Safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective….
   100 times please.

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5. They are not working too well in Ireland, Singapore and Alberta Canada either.

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6. Where the hell are all the human rights lawyers?

   Quick to whine if a refugee,err, migrant doesn’t get a penthouse with hot and cold running welfare.

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7. This is what was published in the ABC today:
   “Some people associated with this week’s protests wheeled out violent imagery, while legal groups and the state’s ombudsman have been calling for greater oversight to be included in the legislation.
   The state government has managed to delay a vote in the upper house while it tries to win enough crossbench support for the bill to pass into law.”
   Reference https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/covid-anti-lockdown-vaccine-mandate-rallies-melbourne-sydney/100636714

   The “state government has manage to delay a vote” ? Bloody hell, they were forced to delay the vote. What a lie, what absolute leftist sucking propaganda. It is gob-smacking unbelievable how far the ABC will lie and distort the truth to cover for the Andrews’ Labor Government. Wake up Victorians you have a snake oil salesman as premier and a supposed independent ABC lying through its teeth to cover for him.

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8. Actually Any one of us is a human rights lawyer.

   It is called Common Law.

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9. The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s vaccine.

   Pfizer can be completely trusted, Steve:

   https://www.unz.com/mmalkin/what-every-parent-must-know-about-pfizer/#

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10. I think given the lockdowns happening in Europe, that most of the countries are considering recovered people as vaccinated , why is Australia not even considering this

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11. To Whom It May Concern

    Let it be known that;

    I am not an Anti-vaxxer!
    I am just a participant in the (very important) second control group in the medical trial of the current so called Covid-19 “Vaccines”. (this is because the pharmaceutical companies inadvertently contaminated the first control group with the same inoculant as the trial group.)

    I am still a “PureBlood”!

    Ends

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12. “Actually Any one of us is a human rights lawyer”.

    What? You mean Mr Burnside is too busy?

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13. The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s vaccine.

    It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.

    I am speechless.

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14. ABC News in Vicdanistan at 7am this morning, not a mention of yesterday’s rally in Melbourne. Not a single word.
    Access to disabled toilets seemed to be an important news item, after a report of a house fire in Werribee and an assault at a Chapel St venue. The Austrian protests were mentioned briefly and in a politically loaded fashion as one would expect of the ABC. They are disgraceful!

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15. Vaccines administered worldwide 7,367,439,942 as if yesterday.

    The actual incidence of complications is obviously pretty damn low and you lot have worked yourselves into a unhealthy miasma of really irrational risk avoidance.

    The might not be very effective, require regular boosters etc, but neither are they deadly.

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16. This is interesting.

    V-mail, WWII email.

    From Dr Mark Felton.

    https://youtu.be/Xs0ilXPNHac

17. Whoops wrong thread.

    Look if they’re not effective, why am I being coerced into taking it?

    I have told my work I will wait for Novavax.

    Do you think that is a rational decision?

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18. At least as deadly as the virus itself.

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19. Very scary:

    Head Of East Germany’s Largest Clinic Commits Suicide Over Vaccine “Genocide” (20 Nov)

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20. Entropy, have a read about leaky vaccines and Marek’s disease and get back to us.

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21. The might not be very effective, require regular boosters etc, but neither are they deadly.

    Do you know the potential long-term effects, given that the ‘vaccines’ were developed and approved in around six months, when it normally takes between 10-15 years to gain final approval? And now we have this motion to hide the facts for 55 years.

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22. I have told my work I will wait for Novavax. Do you think that is a rational decision?

    The Novavax is an old style protein subunit vax, so avoids some of the new risks of mRNA, but retains many, including: Direct spike protein toxicity, ADE and immune debt.

    Its probably better than any Pfizer, Moderna or AZ ( which is why it will be delayed until it doesnt matter) but I wouldnt take it.

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23. Entropy, your argument in respect to the number of global vaccinations is understandable. The same argument was used by a friend who owns 2 medical centres & claimed that they had no reactions in thousands of vaccinations.

    But to start with, you need to examine the evidence for the serious problems with reporting of reactions other than actual deaths. It is clear that they are not being reported by doctors who refuse to categorically connect them with the vaccination or are too busy etc. Nurses are reporting extraordinary numbers attending emergency with complaints that are characteristically associated with vaccinations.

    But the strongest argument is the one cited by dissenting epidemiologists and virologists that the reason why clinical trials for new vaccines require 7-10 years of longitudinal research is that many adverse effects are not manifest for years.

    Finally, the same virologists and vaccinologists remind us that vaccines and other drugs are normally discarded if a fraction of the adverse reactions that we are seeing now occur in the trials.

    Everyone MUST not forget that this was a panicked emergency response by government to the outbreak from Wuhan. The repercussions of the decision to approve the emergency development of vaccines rather than early treatment drugs will be universally regretted in the years to come.

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24. They will soon be pushing the new, expensive monoclonal antibodies for treating covid. No other treatments will be allowed. They will say that the vaccines were only a temporary measure and the media will move on. It’s all about the dollars.

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25. flying duck,

    Thank you for that advice. Like many others, I had thought that Novavax might be acceptable, but was worried about their early problems with manufacture & rumours of contaminated samples.

    But the common denominator of the dreaded spike protein in still a worry. I had thought that because it was not a live antigen that it would be OK. In my simple, non medical mind I liken it to the immune system being presented with a dead enemy – with the advice “this is what the enemy looks like – go get them”. Whereas the mRNA vax is like a Trojan Horse full of live enemies being introduced into the system.

    Do you have the same reservations about the vax of Petrovsky ie Covax19?

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26. “As a result of these findings , Fauci warned that vaccinated people should get their booster shot, as it might actually be more important than health officials first realised.

    “If one looks back at this, one can say, do you know, it isn’t as if a booster is a bonus , but a booster might actually be an essential part of the primary regimen that people should have,” he said on The Daily.

    Fauci went on to say, “I think … that the boosting is gonna be an absolutely essential component of our response, not a bonus, not a luxury, but an absolute essential part of the program.”

    Listen to podcast at link: Dr. Fauci admits vaccines did not work as advertised and that vaccinated are in great danger to day

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/dr-fauci-admits-vaccines-not-work-advertised-vaccinated-great-danger-today/?utm_source=add2any&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

    Fauci’s “program” or “regimen” doesn’t sound like freedom to me.

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27. The might not be very effective, require regular boosters etc, but neither are they deadly.

    I’m perfectly willing to accept that, so long as no tries to force me to take it. Or make my life a misery for not taking it. Any explanation for that for a “not very effective” product?

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28. The ‘dreaded spike protein’ comes into its own when you actually get covid but don’t worry about that, just keep on believing that the vaccines do x y and z to the human body with the ‘dreaded spike protein’.*
    I knew the scaremongering about novavax was only a moment away.
    Someone told me ‘I’m waiting for novavax’ was a line being encouraged by hard core antivaxxers on their propaganda websites.
    Fact check
    True.
    *isn’t the spike protein just how the sars virus gains entry to the human cell and isn’t it the virus that kills people?

29. Very scary:

    Head Of East Germany’s Largest Clinic Commits Suicide Over Vaccine “Genocide” (20 Nov)

    His suicide letter is being suppressed. What more need be said.

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30. They will soon be pushing the new, expensive monoclonal antibodies for treating covid. No other treatments will be allowed.

    Well, at least it works, which is more than can be said for the currently allowed treatments.

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31. The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s vaccine.

    It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.

    How long did it take the FDA to review all of this information, in order to approve the “vaccine”?

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32. Someone told me ‘I’m waiting for novavax’ was a line being encouraged by hard core antivaxxers on their propaganda websites.
    Fact check

    Gee thanks for the good cheer and bon homie.

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33. The ‘dreaded spike protein’ comes into its own when you actually get covid but don’t worry about that

    wow,
    the spare key from my 1973 Volksy opens my new Mazda
    how cool is that?

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34. The spike protein in the vaxxes is a modified form that is more stable than the spike protein on the actual virus, which changes shape during attachment and entry of viral protein into the cells.

    Spike protein is also toxic itself.

    There must be a reason for the decades of trying and failing to make corona vaccines.

    I’m not sure what has been done differently that makes these new vaxxes successful, but I’m not convinced they’re safe.

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35. The actual incidence of complications is obviously pretty damn low and you lot have worked yourselves into a unhealthy miasma of really irrational risk avoidance.

    The might not be very effective, require regular boosters etc, but neither are they deadly.

    So why am I being required to take it? Also, regular ‘boosting’ only adds to the risk of AEs and we haven’t even addressed the problem of OAS and accelerating variants by vaxxing in the teeth of a pandemic.

    The only group that seems to benefit from the vaxx is 80+. The UK stats show they are even in rate of infection but half the rate of death v unvaxxed but that death rate is only as good as 70-79 for unvaxxed. And 70-79 rate of infection is less by a third of the vaxxed group at same age.

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36. People who haven’t had the jab yet but are waiting for Novavax…
    simple question, why do you think you need any jab?
    I am 73, somewhat overweight and with plenty of metal in me, but otherwise reasonably healthy. I can’t see a compelling reason to be jabbed, especially with something that hasn’t undergone the normal range of testing.
    If you are under 50 you have to be insane to get jabbed.
    Jabbing children is horrific child abuse.

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37. Ned Ludd has many followers amongst those who would invenomate themselves.

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38. “People should stop playing Humpty Dumpty with words. “

    It’s a symptom of our times, alas – much like the “gender pay gap”, the result must to “fixed” before we understand the cause.

    On Vaxes being safe: this is a numbers game as well as a perception game. If I sell 100 phones and 1% are duds, then there is just one dud and people say “whatever”. If I sell 100 million phones and 1% fail, that’s 1 million duds – a million duds! What a piece of junk! What bad quality control! etc etc. Same rate of failure, completely different perception.

    That US VAERS system is showing more incidents in covid vaxes in under 2 years than every other vaxx combined over 20 years is a concern, but I haven’t seen anyone attempt to analyse this in terms of “per 100k shots” or similar. Which is odd, because if it really is the case that there are just more covid vaxes done than all the rest, why hasn’t someone done the work to show it? Or is it that whenever anyone does check that, it doesn’t show the approved narrative and is suppressed/ignored?

    I was vaxxed – under coercion. I had no noticeable side effects to the first, and other than the “normal” intramuscular injection site pain, no noticeable side effects to the second dose either. But that is just me – it’s anecdotal, and in no way conclusive of safety. My hesitancy was not and still is not about immediate effects anyway – we already have good stats on short term issues, and they favour being vaxxed (not much, but for my age group it is true). What we don’t have, and what concerns me, is the complete lack of long term data on not just this particular vax, but on the technology of the vax (mRNA), which has never before been widely used. As far as I am aware, we don’t even have animal-based inter-generational studies on this tech, and certainly not on this particular vax.
    And since we know that for COVID the risk of serious illness and death has a geometric relationship to age, asking those under probably 40 and definitely under 30 to have this vax is a bad idea. Requiring children to take this is a really, really bad idea at this time – we need much more information before that is in any way justified.

    Everything about this pandemic is odd in one way or another – we threw away a pandemic plan created when there was no pandemic and we had plenty of time to coldly consider all aspects of many possible reactions, and decided to “wing it” instead because this was “different”, somehow. We kept people in the very places they are more likely to spread the disease (indoors). We insisted on mandating measures (masks) that are at best marginal. We essentially mandated a vaxxine that hasn’t gone through the usual long term tests. And all for a disease that has so far killed less people in this country than car accidents normally do over the same period of time, a comparable number to those killed by “bad” influenza years. And that is before we even consider the age profile of those who died – the vast majority were already older than average life expectancy! We also largely ignored co-morbidities – obesity, diabetes and pre-existing cardio-pulmonary diseases at least.

    I guess it shows how easily we can, as a society, be manipulated – how easily we can be driven to illogical over-reactions, how easily people can be led to believe something that is obviously not true (eg “unvaxxed people are a threat to vaxxed people!”).

    What is heartening is seeing the numbers turning up at protests – we know this will be a small fraction of those who feel the same way, most especially in this case. For anti-war etc protests, there was “social credit” in protesting, but it seems the media at least are describing these protests such that many would believe their “social credit” would be diminished by turning up, yet we see comparable numbers.

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39. Anti Vietnam War protests on American Campuses got good Press in America because the protests were organised by the Deep State and they controlled the major newspapers.
    Apart from Murdoch’s The Australian, Moratorium Marches here didn’t get MSM approval in Australia.

40. Yes, Ed – just so. That was my point re: comparable numbers.
    If we see comparable number for the “in” thing to do compared to the “out” thing to do, then clearly the “out” thing is actually “in”!

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41. why do you think you need any jab?

    I have never said no to a vaccine before. All the other ones I have had before were likely beneficial.

    If the spike protein is so bad – then all should wait and get COVAX, and actually avoid COVID as much as we can.

    As I would say to those deadly afraid of COVID, spike proteins are not uncommon at all in the microbial world.

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42. 55 years…
    No- one lest to lodge a lawsuit by then.

    This is why the Yanks extreme litigation/ medical approach actually isnt all downsides. The threat of company ruining penalties acts as an important brake on shonky testing.

    But not now
    Why?

    The fact they want to keep that info out of the hands of damages lawyers for a generation tells you some “ expected unexpecteds”* have occurred

    * You rush a drug or medication you have to expect it will bite you on the bum.

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43. The fact they want to keep that info out of the hands of damages lawyers for a generation tells you some “ expected unexpecteds”* have occurred

    55 years is 2 Generations.
    Vaccine injured are unlikely to survive that long.
    And even if a few do, it will be another 15 years before the Suit gets to Court.

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44. Late to the party… but there are hints that the vaxxed have a higher death rate (from all causes) than unvaxxed.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60

    There are rumours that the vaccines actually reduce general immunity. And we know that they have very short term efficacy.

    CL some time back made the point that the manic drive to get EVERYBODY vaccinated is to reduce these types of observations. He’s looking more and more correct.

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45. We’ve seen the death of science in our time. Covid non vaxines. Global warming voodoo. Lockdowns. You name it.
    We’ve seen the death of trust in Society.
    Thank goodness the miracles of alcohol and nicotine haven’t been proscribed. Yet.

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46. Thanks Rorschach, I was going to post the same thing.

    This is the key data. It’s amazing the UK government allowed it to see the light of day although at this stage data is irrelevant. Nobody in history has gotten a vaccine because of logic and facts. Fear and social ostracism are the only two reasons.

    Still, I don’t know why Entropy posted his foolish nonsense here before bothering to check.

    The vaccines are horrific. You would have to go back to the early smallpox vaccines to get anything like this much carnage.

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47. Everyone from the original smallpox vaccine trials is dead.

48. They are turning the vaccinated into a Petri dish, it will create a virus that will kill millions

    https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/geert-vanden-bossche-interview-at-the-highwire

49. Some satire in regard to the propaganda based marketing of gene therapy.

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50. @Kneel

    We essentially mandated a vaxxine that hasn’t gone through the usual long term tests.

    -But we made 9 more billionaires in Big Pharma!!

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