Open Thread – Mon 13 Dec 2021


Sacred and Profane Love, Giovanni Baglione, 1602

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Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2021 1:02 pm

Our grids were designed primarily for large fossil fuel power stations transmitting electricity in one direction

Our grids were designed to supply high levels or reliable energy efficiently without interruption.

The cottage industry they are trying to turn our grid into will deliver a fraction of the power at vastly greater cost. The fact that people think they are saving money because it is being taken from their higher taxes rather than their power bill is testament to their gullibility and the dishonesty of politicians.

These also are steps backward.

Dot
Dot
December 13, 2021 1:03 pm

I am going to upvote our Razey as an insurance policy.

We need to get the other glowies spying on him!

Zipster
December 13, 2021 1:04 pm

How can Australian business, any Australian business, afford to lose someone like Rickw?

they can’t

seems that the general aim

Dot
Dot
December 13, 2021 1:06 pm

Open up your mouths, unfog your glasses, button up your plaid, brush your beard and smile, consoomers:

The next dose is always the booster.

Then, go and bash some fascists. (Heh).

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2021 1:09 pm

Then, go and bash some fascists. (Heh).

Like Jussie Smollett?

local oaf
December 13, 2021 1:11 pm

Keith Forwheels says:
December 13, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Has anyone heard from Flying Duk lately?

Don’t think I’ve seen him posting here for a week or more.

Old bloke
Old bloke
December 13, 2021 1:12 pm

Wally Dalí says:
December 13, 2021 at 9:02 am

Is there any walkin-n-shoutin going on in Perth this Saturday? Looks like it was a Sunday gig this weekend gone, but I’m in the city for a rare jaunt, so I’ll do my bit.

The Perth rally went ahead on Saturday, I don’t know why the organisers here have their rallies on Saturdays, all other capital cities choose Sundays.

Freedom Rally at Elizabeth Quay on 11 December 2021 – Perth, Western Australia.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 1:12 pm

I may be misremebering but wasn’t information released that lead to people being exposed to the enemy and subsequently murdered?

Razey
Razey
December 13, 2021 1:13 pm

Labor’s medical examination for border hoppers.

https://cairnsnews.org/2021/12/12/labors-medical-examination-for-border-hoppers/

I’m sure the leftards on here fully approve 😉

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 1:15 pm

Unvaccinated people have to suffer today. but it’s a material suffering. Sick with worry about tomorrow about income and what we can do, our kids future. But our long term health is not on our minds.

Vaccinated people will have to worry more tomorrow. When an individual thinks “I’m sick of this, I’m not taking anymore of this shit”, they’ll not only have to worry about all of the above, but they’ll soon have the entire apparatus telling them: Wait! If you stop taking the drug now you risk many complications, and we won’t treat you for the complications!

Now it’s likely that they’ll be lying, like a drug dealer does to their addicts: “going cold turkey will kill you man, you need to wean yourself off, here have a free one…”, but maybe not.

That’s a worry we won’t have and I’m happy about that.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 1:16 pm

Is there any chance claims of covid in Europe in 2019 is intended to take the spotlight off China?
I thought it was a matter of fact that all the early 2020 outbreaks in Europe could be traced to people who had recently arrived from China.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 13, 2021 1:18 pm

Shit Towns of Australia

Dandenong is known for its ‘culture’, which is a quaint euphemism for violent crime, drugs, drunks, gangs, hoons and housos. The suburb is also famous for its diversity: in the same street you could eat Afghani, Indian, Albanian, Chinese or African food; buy some counterfeit clothing, a rug or a Wiggles-branded knuckleduster; or get st*bbed with a knife, screwdriver or a crudely fashioned shank. The variety is endless! In fact, Dandenong is so ethnically diverse that One Nation voters and Queenslanders have been known to spontaneously combust upon setting foot there.

Widely considered to be the worst bit of Melbourne (a bold claim for a city that also contains Frankston and Cranbourne), Dandenong is somehow worse than its awful reputation. Popular pastimes include ram-raiding pharmacies, assaulting the elderly and a spot of recreational arson. If that’s all a bit hectic for you then you could always wind down by visiting a makeshift brothel in a tent in a park.

Loitering menacingly on the outskirts of Melbourne, Dandenong is in many ways a forgotten suburb, cut off from the city by shit public transport connections. Despite this, most Melburnians would argue that it’s still too close and would be quite happy for all roads leading in and out of ‘the Nong’ to be ripped up and replaced with some sort of wall or moat. If you must visit, we suggest you pass through like a dodgy vindaloo.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 13, 2021 1:18 pm

I am going to upvote our Razey as an insurance policy.

We need to get the other glowies spying on him!

Circle-glowies. I like it. 🙂

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 1:19 pm

That’s the problem with renewbulls, they don’t produce when the customer wants it, at 7pm while they’re cooking dinner.

pointed this out to my son a couple of years ago when their inverter kept shutting off and sending emails. to let them know.

he called me an anti-vaxxer … wait. no. that was another time
he called me a climate change denier

the inverter was curtailing itself on high volts . Cant remember what the limit is 253V or something like that. You can set it in most inverters and you could I suppose, set it really high but that might mess with yr telly’s power supply.

My solar was doing the same thing.
Local volts was punching over 260V, I wonder just how high the volts got at transformer end.
damned solar was off more than it was on.

Anyway, rang the supply people and they fobbed me off.
So I logged data up the internets via modbus from the inverter itself
Then I sent the logs to them and quoted from the Rule/Regulation Book

They ended up sending a truck around and swapped us onto a different phase.
sun is blazing today
just had a peek
242V

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 13, 2021 1:20 pm

Is there any chance claims of covid in Europe in 2019 is intended to take the spotlight off China?

Distraction Squirrel-memes, like bad curry, suspect fashion trends, the 1970s and Totalitarianism, tend to go and come back in cycles…

Gilas
Gilas
December 13, 2021 1:24 pm

rickwsays:
December 13, 2021 at 9:39 am
Just got terminated due to vaccination status by Mobil Oil Australia.

Sorry to read this, but people of principle have suffered from the actions of evil, craven, cowardly kunts throughout written history. You won’t be the last.

As an aside, I left my ex-employer in similarly acrimonious circumstances, but for different principles. A great opportunity… plenty to do and learn when one doesn’t have to lick the arse of the stinking corporate gargoyles.

Respect.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 13, 2021 1:24 pm

Is there any chance claims of covid in Europe in 2019 is intended to take the spotlight off China?

Still constant with a Sept 2019 lab leak and competitors at Wuhan Military games brining it back.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 13, 2021 1:26 pm

the inverter was curtailing itself on high volts . Cant remember what the limit is 253V or something like that. You can set it in most inverters and you could I suppose, set it really high but that might mess with yr telly’s power supply.

How useless is that?

Either runaway power production or Sweet Diddly Squat.

That is no way to run a home power supply, let alone a grid.

No wonder there is a grid connection- Overcharging even a large and resilient battery for 8 hours would quickly lead to pyrotechnics. The only escape is into the nearest substation.

Still, I can now see a nice entry-level technical job in the future employment mix- The Solar-wallah.

Literally, a fellow who winds and unwinds covers on solar panels to keep supply regulated and batteries from going Boom! during the day.

Much more reliable power delivery than the inverter’s automation can provide. 🙂

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 1:27 pm

Neilson , I read your victory comments upthread. Let me give you some advice. Don’t do a victory lap with a javelin having out your chest as it’s a terrible look. Funny, but terrible.

Doc
If you’re not going to revise your comment then I strongly advise never to talk about stats here again. And as for the thought leader enough said.

You ignoramuses are saying there is statistical significance in a tested population of 43,651. 287 had covid without a vax and 409 had convid with the vax.

This is correct, right? And what I was alluding all fucking evening was that you couldn’t make any determination from these numbers?
Why?

What was the fucking result for the vast bulk… that is 43,651 – ( 287+ 409)=42, 955.

On top of this Dover’s own except says that there’s a strong belief the 409 had covid prior to the vax.

I can’t believe a PhD in math supposedly, a self appointed thought leader and a pedant with a javelin in his chest are arguing any of this without asking the most basic question of all. What happened to the 42,955.

FMD

I reply later this afternoon as I’m going to be busy.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 1:28 pm

Razey:

We need the boomers to start dying off en-mass to get our country back.

I’m not dead yet!

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 1:29 pm

rickwsays:
December 13, 2021 at 9:39 am
Just got terminated due to vaccination status by Mobil Oil Australia.

Dude, I am so sorry for you. I’ll never buy Mobil again even if my tank is out of petrol.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 1:30 pm

Excerpt

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 13, 2021 1:31 pm

it’s not incompetence, it’s a power grab.

Mind you, they’re incompetent as well.

Imagine how much worse it would be if they were actually competent.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
December 13, 2021 1:32 pm

I thought JC held his own last night.

Half of JC’s posts yesterday looked like you had hacked his account so I can see where this comes from.

Franx
Franx
December 13, 2021 1:32 pm

A year ago the science was:
AZ was for the 60 plus.
Pf was for under 60 – 45.
Under 45 we’re not considered worth bothering with – a year ago.
Nothing about the science has changed. People have. Gone mad.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 1:33 pm

I reply later this afternoon as I’m going to be busy.

Looking forward to it.

Some actual evidence, and answers to the questions you were actually asked, would be great – 18 hours late is better than never.

John of Mel
John of Mel
December 13, 2021 1:34 pm

RickW, I concur with all well-wishers here. You’ve got it, man!

My work situation is good at the moment.
They allow me to work remotely. Sent us a box of fruit and vegg from one of the organic farmers joint. My team-lead sent me a bottle of 21 y.o. scotch. Nice.

I forgot to mention the other day that I had a visit from two authorised officers (women) on Thursday. I was at the end of my Zoom meeting and they waited patiently outside to see my face.

After almost 10 days the results are in: four unjabbed and two jabbed members of my family have tested negative twice (also checked by the rapid antigen test for the two jabbed). The eldest’s boyfriend’s family – two people out of four (all jabbed) have tested positive, one with symptoms. I still think that he gave me the WuFlu, but it’s impossible to prove.

Wife and the oldest are free to leave the isolation today.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

That’s cute because he knows just as well as ATAGI that even six months is too long, which is why last week they reduced the recommended period to 5 months. I suspect that will come down to 4 months, consistent with the Israel data. So it’s clear Falsi is trying to soften up the US population for endless booster Russian roulette 3 times per year.

I wonder if the Machiavellian swine who infest our Brahmin Class have worked out yet that when they reduce the timeframe for boosters, it just drops more people into the ‘unvaccinated’ category, and they just may get a little cranky about this?

Old bloke
Old bloke
December 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Mother Lode says:
December 13, 2021 at 10:02 am

At some point I would expect the more rabid left to start demanding that the government take over production of these vaccines – rather than letting hated capitalists to profit from them.

That’s not going to happen, Greg Hunt has already ordered enough doses of the devil juice for 173 booster shots for every man, woman, child and family pet in Australia.

I’d bet that he won’t face financial hardship in his upcoming retirement.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 1:38 pm

Still constant with a Sept 2019 lab leak and competitors at Wuhan Military games brining it back.

China is about to host the Winter Olympics.

Best not to imagine…anything. Think happy thoughts instead.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 1:43 pm

You ignoramuses are saying there is statistical significance in a tested population of 43,651. 287 had covid without a vax and 409 had convid with the vax.

Yes. And we’re right. Because it’s a binomial distribution so we have information about the standard deviation. And since you couldn’t tell a Bin(N,p) distribution from a hole in the road your opinion is worthless.

Gab
Gab
December 13, 2021 1:44 pm

They are weeding out the non-compliant.

The only way out of this absolute insanity against a virus with a 99% recovery rate is if the majority of those who comply refuse to comply with booster shots.

Or via an Act of God.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 1:48 pm

I can’t believe you’re arguing this, doc. We have zero information on the 42,955 and you believe that without that information those tiny values are statistically significant. Hand over your degree as it’s worthless.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2021 1:54 pm

Juanita Nielsen’s former partner warned the ABC of editorial failings in crime series

Exclusive
Sophie Elsworth
Media Writer
9:01PM December 12, 2021

The former partner of journalist and activist Juanita Nielsen warned the ABC about editorial failings in their investigation into her 1975 disappearance and suspected murder but the broadcaster ignored them, he claims.

David Farrell, 76, who was Nielsen’s partner for seven years up until her disappearance, told The Australian he sent a producer working on the program a text message on August 20 this year, the month before the TV series, Juanita: A Family Mystery aired, to warn of the problems he had with retired lawyer John Innes’ claims he knew who killed her, where she was killed and how much was paid to kill her.

After listening to the eight-episode ABC podcast, Unravel True Crime: Juanita, Mr Farrell said he was worried the podcast team desperately wanted a “scoop, ratings and probably a notch on their CV belt”.

“I also texted my concern to the producer on 20 August, after the podcast aired, as follows: ‘I’m still worried about Innes appearing out of nowhere and saying that you approached him. In my mind there remains a credibility gap which needs to be covered with the rigorous forensics of a professional investigator’.

“The ABC and Wildbear Entertainment were both earnestly warned at a high level about Innes by well-informed people before the TV programs were put to air.”

Mr Innes claimed he was placed in Long Bay Gaol as an undercover investigator in an ­attempt to extract information from Eddie Trigg, an associate of Sydney crime figure Abe Saffron.

Trigg was one of three men charged in 1977 over a failed ­attempt to kidnap Nielsen four days before she disappeared.

The Nielsen series was commissioned by the ABC and produced by Wildbear Entertainment and the program fell under the entertainment and specialist division, headed up by Michael Carrington.

The ABC conceded last week there was a “serious editorial lapse” in airing Mr Innes’ claims and that they failed to go through a stringent fact-checking process.

In questions on notice asked by senators, answered by the ABC and made public last week, the media organisation conceded there was a “serious editorial lapse” in airing the problematic claims.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 1:54 pm

I know it’s hard for you as you could be in terminal decline. What approval would be given for a medical trial where there are two expressed values of 409 and 287 and the Pharma company remained silent on the 42, 955 offering no information on their result?

Arky
December 13, 2021 1:54 pm

The only way out of this absolute insanity against a virus with a 99% recovery rate is if the majority of those who comply refuse to comply with booster shots.

..
Unlikely.
The nano wrigglers have eaten their brains past that point.

John of Mel
John of Mel
December 13, 2021 1:55 pm

RickW
From the old thread:

Horseland John! I took 2.5 teaspoons for 6 days, no problem.

You’re talking about Eraquell pellets, right?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
December 13, 2021 1:56 pm

The only way out of this absolute insanity against a virus with a 99% recovery rate is if the majority of those who comply refuse to comply with booster shots.

Or via an Act of God.

Something like the President’s brain turning to mulch because of the jab.
That might wake people up.

Eyrie
Eyrie
December 13, 2021 1:58 pm

Something like the President’s brain turning to mulch because of the jab.
That might wake people up.

How will you tell the difference?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
December 13, 2021 1:59 pm

Indeed.

rickw
rickw
December 13, 2021 2:06 pm

You’re talking about Eraquell pellets, right?

Correct.

Lysander
Lysander
December 13, 2021 2:07 pm

Regarding all of the Pell stuff and funds being sent from the Vatican to restore a gate, I still like CL’s connection. Let’s remember the latin word for gate is very close to the word for Cardinal:

The word cardinal goes back to the Latin adjective cardinalis, which meant “serving as a hinge.” The root of this word is the noun cardo, meaning “hinge.” Since a hinge is the device on which a door turns, cardo came to mean “something on which a development turns” or “something very important.”

Old bloke
Old bloke
December 13, 2021 2:16 pm

twostix says:
December 13, 2021 at 10:49 am

QLD’s new CHO is a vaccine true believer, a born again evangalist.

His brother died from Hong Kong Flu and now a lifetime later here he is – CHO in the middle of a ‘pandemic’.

I wonder if they told the new bloke that his job requirements included signing the orders for the transfer of the unvaxxed to the detention camps. His predecessor, who very quickly walked away from the job, was probably aware of the fate of Adolf Eichmann.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 2:17 pm

JC, look at it this way. There is a species of animal, where the issue is whether the males are bigger than the females. We measure a female as ninety cm long and a male as 110 cm long. The average is 100 cm, the female is 10cm below the average and the male is 10 longer than the average. The question is, is the 20 cm difference a lot, or hardly anything? This is the core issue. Your diversion about the small fraction involved and what happened to the rest is irrelevant. The question is, is that 20cm difference a lot or not much at all?

The only way to answer it is to find out how much variation there is between different animals. You could try to estimate this using only the two numbers you have, which simply tells you that a 20 cm difference has happened. You might conclude from this that variation of about 20 cm might
happen all the time.

Now suppose you had good reason to believe that the standard deviation for both males and females was in fact only a centimetre. Then this information is enough to be virtually certain that males are bigger than females.

I hope you know what a standard deviation is, it’s hard to estimate the extent of your ignorance. But if you do, then you should surely see that knowledge of the standard deviation can make all the difference.

Since the distribution of the combined data and the two separated cases are all binomial, we do have information about the standard deviation. For a Bin(N,p) distribution, it’s the square root of N p (1-p). Since p is small, this is pretty much the square root of the mean. Using your combined data, this is the square root of the average of the two counts, or roughly ?350 which is about 18.7. The difference between the separate counts is over 100. This is over 5 sigma. In other words a lot.

I suspect your response will show a complete failure to understand my argument. Surprise me.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 2:21 pm

?350

Was Dover’s system replacing my square root sign with a question mark.

Zipster
December 13, 2021 2:25 pm

You’re talking about Eraquell pellets, right?

speaking of which, 2nd shipment of ivergoodness has made it through unmolested

Dot
Dot
December 13, 2021 2:26 pm

Compare the means non parametrically with alpha set at 0.01.

Then I would be convinced.

Arky
December 13, 2021 2:26 pm

Unless of course BG, there is something in the collection of the data that makes it biased.
Such as people who are vaxxed being frighted into vaccinating when there is more cov about.
But as it’s a Phizer study, the assumption is they adjust for that.

Lysander
Lysander
December 13, 2021 2:32 pm

Anyone know where Novavax is at?

Keith Forwheels
Keith Forwheels
December 13, 2021 2:32 pm

I wonder if they told the new bloke that his job requirements included signing the orders for the transfer of the unvaxxed to the detention camps. His predecessor, who very quickly walked away from the job, was probably aware of the fate of Adolf Eichmann.

The article in the CM publishing statements by the previous CHO demeaning the gentleman who passed on taking the job was nothing short of disgraceful, that said, for any thinking person it did more harm to the reputation of our new Qld Governor than to that of the man whose motivations she so carelessly impuned for base political reasons.

Gab
Gab
December 13, 2021 2:33 pm

Wonderful to see a business owner reject medical apartheid, from his suppliers as well.\

BGT Developments and Brian Gillett, the man behind the COVID letter in NZ that went VIRAL!
MD Brian Gillett confirms the letter is Authentic and has a firm message for business owners In Australia and NZ.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 2:35 pm

I dare not make any comment about the stats argument.

Any way I look at it, if I do I’m toast. 😀

Zipster
December 13, 2021 2:36 pm

Still constant with a Sept 2019 lab leak and competitors at Wuhan Military games brining it back.

it’s like, what an amazing coincidence they held the military games at wuhan, I mean if you wanted to spread this thing far and wide, you could always blame a lab “leak” that just happened to be in the same city

Arky
December 13, 2021 2:36 pm

NovaVax waiting for the EU to approve next week.
TGA can’t do anything until someone else does the actual work.

local oaf
December 13, 2021 2:36 pm

John of Mel says:
December 13, 2021 at 1:55 pm

RickW
From the old thread:

Horseland John! I took 2.5 teaspoons for 6 days, no problem.

You’re talking about Eraquell pellets, right?

That daily dose is the prophylactic isn’t it, the one you take as a preventative?

If you actually have the wuflu the dose is twice the size and only repeated once after 48 hours I believe?

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 2:37 pm

Looking like early 2022 Lysander

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 2:38 pm

According to Greg Hunt anyhow

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Doc

I’m happy to answer your question but first answer mine as I asked first.

…..What approval would be given for a medical trial where there are two expressed values of 409 and 287 and the Pharma company remained silent on the 42, 955 offering no information on their result?

To remind you, the study group was 43,651.

Additionally, on a specific and qualitative side (by paraphrasing Dover’s excerpt ) there is a strong indication that the 409
participants who tested positive were likely positive before the trial.

Leave your analogy aside and answer this question.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 2:44 pm

We have zero information on the 42,955

The test and control groups were said to total 43,651.
We’re told that 409 of the test group and 287 of the control group got covid during the period at issue.
Are you accusing Pfizer of hiding positive covid tests for some of the control group, or neglecting to check on the control group’s covid outcomes? What would be their motive for doing that?
If you aren’t accusing Pfizer of understating the covid cases among the control group, what possible information do you want that would cast doubt on the conclusion dover’s asserting?

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 2:45 pm

TGA can’t do anything until someone else does the actual work.

Their guys in Pfizer, Roche and Merck’s aren’t telling them what to do either.

And no Liberal party backroom $$$ involved so no guidance from them.

Whatever will the mickey mouse backwater TGA do without their ‘stakeholders’ guidance!?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Unless of course BG, there is something in the collection of the data that makes it biased.

Sure, there’s any number of ways it could all go wrong. If we took blocks of 100 people coming through a door and counted the number of them with blue eyes, when we know there’s two million ppl behind the door and exactly half have blue eyes, then we would usually assume Bin(100,0.5). Then the mean is 50 and the standard deviation 5. So there aren’t enough ppl in the whole shebang for a score of 100 or of zero to ever occur. Either would be about ten sigma.

Unless all the blue eyed ppl came first, when we’d get nearly all scores of 100 until they were finished, whereupon we’d get only scores of zero for nearly all the rest.

Bummer.

So yes, check your assumptions.

My experience of statisticians, based on working with some and having been to stats conferences, is that they’re like the little girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead. When they’re good they’re very, very good, and when they’re bad, they’re horrid. The good ones are a tiny minority and the bad ones write text books.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 13, 2021 2:45 pm

it’s like, what an amazing coincidence they held the military games at wuhan, I mean if you wanted to spread this thing far and wide, you could always blame a lab “leak” that just happened to be in the same city

I was being ‘generous’ to the Chinese.

I would not be at all surprised if it was deliberate seeding of the competitors, who would be orders of magnitude fitter than the general population and therefore make great typhoid marys as it would not affect them so much that they would need hospitalisation.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 13, 2021 2:54 pm

there is a strong indication that the 409
participants who tested positive were likely positive before the trial.

I thought they were all tested before being enjabbened, and therefore covid negative. Being a pshrink you would understand the people taking part and got covid would be primed to say “but I already had it before I was enjabbened”, whether they were jabbed with the real or placebo

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 2:55 pm

Additionally, on a specific and qualitative side (by paraphrasing Dover’s excerpt ) there is a strong indication that the 409
participants who tested positive were likely positive before the trial.

Alas, no.

Indeed, the original Pfizer trial demonstrated a statistically significant 40% increase in ‘suspected COVID’, with 409 cases in the vaccination arm in the first week of the trial, compared with 287 in the placebo arm.[2] Other publications have omitted mention of the period immediately after vaccination.[3] [4] There is substantial anecdotal evidence of people who had tested negative prior to vaccination, becoming infected shortly afterwards, invariably attributed to exposure just before vaccination.[5] Others have raised concerns about this.[6]”

The sentence is saying that someone “invariably attributed” those cases to pre-vaxx exposure. If it’s not the researchers who “invariably attributed” it, who was it? That is, the sentence is saying that those people were excluded (by the researchers) from the vaxx/infected group, not that they were included. Maybe excluding them was correct, but even that wouldn’t in any way detract from dover’s point.

Lysander
Lysander
December 13, 2021 2:56 pm

Thanks Rosie… I can probably hold out till early 2022 for Novavax as my work is getting mandated in tranches. Only 75 in first tranche (out of 3,000) gone so far and I’m likely to be in one of the last groups…

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 2:57 pm

Unless of course BG, there is something in the collection of the data that makes it biased.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4340084/

US academic psychologists, who were asked to self-report ten different questionable research practices, in which high percentages were reported for some practices (e.g., 58% decided to collect more data after ‘peeking’ at the preliminary results) but much less for serious offenses (e.g., 1.7% for falsifying data) [19]; a survey of NIH-funded scientists in which 33% of respondents said they had engaged in one or more of a list of ‘top 10’ questionable behaviors ranging from approximately 16% for ‘changing the design, methodology or results of a study in response to pressure from the funding source’

58% decided to collect more data after ‘peeking’ at the preliminary results

16% for ‘changing the design, methodology or results of a study in response to pressure from the funding source’

“But, the Science says so!! “

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 2:58 pm

To remind you, the study group was 43,651.

This is the reddest of red herrings, it really is. Suppose you had two machines making widgets. One has one defective widget in every 100,000. The other has one defective widget in every 200,000. If you could only replace one machine with a new machine guaranteed to produce not more than one defective widget in a million, which one would you replace? Does the fact that there is nothing wrong with 99,999 widgets in the first machine convince you there’s no difference between the first two machines?

It’s a Bin(26,000, p) situation with p being less than 0.02. So yes, 99.8+% of the cases aren’t relevant.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 3:01 pm

RickW…sorry to hear …..you too, being sat on your arse due to global socialism.
As of today, me as well…..again.

Think of all the time we now have to fight these bastards.

Qld not folding and this new prick won’t find his tough guy stance does him any good.
We have been organising and uniting.
Government’s own website claims 80% of Qlder’s jabbed, yet go down the page a bit more and you find under 3 million doses given.
That’s only under one and a half million double jabbed.
Their figures……..
Our local Reps have locked their doors such is the abuse they are getting.
Cracks are appearing.
I’m not having a go at other states, because most of them are up here now and apparently there’s roughly 40 000 waiting for the border to openj to take up homes they have bought online, sight unseen, basically.
Just in time for the tyranny to be ratcheted up here…………………………you can’t escape tyranny when the whole Island is a prison.
But big holdouts include the miners of coal……….men……..and they aren’t taking this lying down.
Rallies have been huge in regional areas and people are getting very angry.
All I’m hoping is that QLD is the last place they are attempting to get under control and the majority of white, anglo saxon Australians are found in Qld. Not being racist, but they are the people who understand what freedom is and who the Anzacs were. Their parents, brothers and grandpas etc.
Along with the pushback in the USA, which they certainly do not have, thanks to decentralised power, and Europe about to explode before us as they attempt to force the jab, it’s obviously, and as of the last few days, going to get violent.
We are westerners, we are not the Chinese.
There will be a fight.
Billions against thousands……………………………….
Hold the line

Lysander
Lysander
December 13, 2021 3:01 pm

TheirABC…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-13/fact-check-is-the-coalition-australia-s-second-highest-taxing-go/100686194

“Fair call” that Scomo is 2nd highest taxing government in 30 years. Then follows many paragraphs of disclaimers from GST pre-2000, industrial ups and downs, per capita, real dollars versus non real dollars etc..

You couldn’t make this shit up.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 3:03 pm

US academic psychologists, who were asked to self-report ten different questionable research practices,

My opinion of academic psychologists is even lower than Dick Feynman’s.

Anchor What
Anchor What
December 13, 2021 3:03 pm

Like Tom this morning I wandered into the old Open Thread and left some comments about Chris Wallace to die there – but all is not lost, here’s a summary:

Powerline reported that (at last) Chris Wallace is leaving Fox News – with a further twist that he’s going to CNN! The man himself tweeted something about doing more stuff of interest, and wait for it, “beyond politics”. Yeah, right.
(Tucker’s Originals has got to him)
Gateway Pundit confirms the above, and quotes Wallace as saying he’s honoured to be working with Jeff Zucker at the wonderful CNN.
(That confirms what we thought about his character)
Short farewell video by Wallace at FoxNews.com which at least compliments them on allowing him to do whatever he liked without interference.
(Doesn’t want to burn bridges entirely!)

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 3:04 pm

It’ll be a decade before we see the real data out of Pfizer clinical trials that all this is based on.

When we finally do it’ll be the same as always: they withheld the bad stuff, the agencies took their word for it…

When the so-called “swine flu” H1N1 influenza emerged in 2009, the UK and Australian governments commissioned a rapid update of an existing Cochrane review of the drugs.

As the review team began its work, it received an unexpected criticism and challenge by Keiji Hayashi, a Japanese pediatrician. Hayashi pointed out that the key piece of evidence underpinning the previous Cochrane review’s conclusion–that Tamiflu reduced the risk of secondary complications such as pneumonia–was based on a manufacturer-authored, pooled analysis of 10 manufacturer-funded trials, 8 of which were unpublished.

In 2009 The UK and Australia – the TGA, approved Tamiflu as the pandemic drug of choice for Swineflu based on the very best data available.

That was it : a “manufacturer-authored, pooled analysis of 10 manufacturer-funded trials, 8 of which were unpublished.”

The results of which, as it turned out five years of hard work later, were lies.

John Treanor, lead author of a pivotal Tamiflu treatment trial, told The BMJ: “I did not perform an independent analysis of the primary data, which was not required or requested by JAMA at the time of submission, and I do not have access to the primary data, which I also never requested

The TGA does not have access to the primary data for the Covid vaccines either.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 3:09 pm

No sensible person can read this summary of investigation from the last ‘pandemic’ emergency drug and say…yeah, on balance I’m going to trust the company and authorities with this experimental vaccine:

The following facts emerged:

– WHO was recommending Tamiflu but had not vetted the underlying data.
– EMA approved Tamiflu, but had not vetted the underlying data.
– CDC was encouraging the use and stockpiling of Tamiflu on the basis of the 6-page manufacturer funded pooled analysis of 10 clinical trials, but had not vetted the underlying data.
– CDC’s promotion occurred despite the fact that, since 2000, FDA, which had vetted the underlying data, required Roche to add a statement to Tamiflu’s product labeling: “Serious bacterial infections may begin with influenza-like symptoms or may coexist with or occur as complications during the course of influenza. TAMIFLU has not been shown to prevent such complications.”
– The majority of Roche’s Phase III treatment trials were unpublished a decade after completion.
The above facts all remain true today (as of February 2019).

By October 2013, almost 4 years after Roche’s original promise, the Cochrane reviewers had finally received full Clinical Study Reports (CSRs) for 107 studies from the EMA, GSK and Roche (around 150,000 pages), which formed the basis for the latest Cochrane review update published in April 2014 in the Cochrane Library and, in shortened form, in two articles in The BMJ. The reviewers concluded that there was no convincing trial evidence that Tamiflu affected influenza complications (in treatment) or influenza infections (in prophylaxis), and raised new questions about the drug’s harms profile.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2021 3:10 pm

Hello?

Hello?

*tap* *tap*

*whining electronic feedback*

It this thing on?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2021 3:10 pm

Whoa. There ya go.

Gab
Gab
December 13, 2021 3:11 pm

The TGA does not have access to the primary data for the Covid vaccines either.

These big pharma vaccine companies have been given carte blanche in the TGA system while other pharma, vet etc companies have to go through the onerous 7+ year process of providing data and results from all clinical trial stages.

Many governments have indemnified themselves and these big pharma vax companies. Some other countries have not been so gracious which has resulted in Big Pharma not selling their vax snake oil in those countries. Quick everyone, get your booster shots.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Something like the President’s brain turning to mulch because of the jab.
That might wake people up.

How will you tell the difference?

Tough ask.

Brain Freeze: Dementia Joe Reads ‘End of Message’ During Dole Eulogy (10 Dec)

His guys have to be more careful with the teleprompter text to make sure they take out any html too, or he’ll be saying “boldface” and “blockquote” next.

Gab
Gab
December 13, 2021 3:17 pm

Exact same hospital found all over the world. Amazing. The same hospital is shown in news ”reports” from numerous countries including Australia. Must be a miracle. Share before it’s taken down

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2021 3:20 pm

US academic psychologists, who were asked to self-report ten different questionable research practices

Steven Hayward yesterday:

“It is hard to see how this madness will end when the people tasked with treating madness have gone mad themselves.”

Yep.

It’s Official: Yale Is the Worst | Power Line (11 Dec)

Arky
December 13, 2021 3:21 pm

we’re meant to believe that something happened during this process that would lead to a higher amount of COVID cases during the first week in the trial group than the placebo group? I don’t think so.

..
Statistically, the only way it happens if they were enrolled in tranches, whole tranches were assigned control or active medicine group, and there was some coincidental differences in time or place of enrolment that meant one or more tranches were unusual.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2021 3:22 pm

The uniformity just might be due to bureaucrats just copying each other’s ideas; they aren’t noted for originality of thought. But I’m inclined to agree with you for other reasons.

The thing is, they are actually telling us what they’re doing. You just have to listen to Klaus Schwab et al.

Arky
December 13, 2021 3:23 pm

It’s possible.
They might have enrolled a whole bunch of people from outside a brothel and enrolled them all in the active medicine group.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 3:26 pm

So many understand up here, that this is the globalists at work, that I suggest some here holding onto the line that it’s the pollies incompetence or the inability to back out without admitting fault, that you are in denial.
Most people at the rallies I go to talk as if it’s a given, and most in the crowds agree.
It’s a Global socialist coup d’etat. It has been all along. But not just since the start of Covid, but since way back, when we discovered we’d never be able to build a dam, clear our farming land, use our own coal, have our own industries…..etc.
We have been governed by the UN’s puppets calling themselves the Australian government.
The links are there hiding in plain sight and the history going back to Whitlam is overwhelming, and all since, have been working toward the new world order.
Then Trump came along and was destroying years of work by global socialist, unelected filth like Guterres, and Klaus and Soros and the rest.
An emergency stunt was pulled and that was a false global pandemic.
This is all obvious to most people I am now protesting with.
I would blame age here at the cat, and there still being a belief that there must be some semblance of truth in what the MSM present as news, because of the trusting society they lived in, but most of the people who can see the bleeding obvious are boomers up here , so although many boomers of course have fallen for the bullshit, many haven’t, and we should expect on a right wing blog, everyone should be up with the truth and the bleeding obvious.
Um………………………….. The western world is under attack and we are at war.

Razey
Razey
December 13, 2021 3:28 pm

struthsays:
December 13, 2021 at 3:01 pm
RickW…sorry to hear …..you too, being sat on your arse due to global socialism.
As of today, me as well…..again.

Think of all the time we now have to fight these bastards.

Qld not folding and this new prick won’t find his tough guy stance does him any good.
We have been organising and uniting.
Government’s own website claims 80% of Qlder’s jabbed, yet go down the page a bit more and you find

Hey mate, also pretty sure they count using 2016 census population. So you can knock off another 5% easy.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 3:29 pm

“It is hard to see how this madness will end when the people tasked with treating madness have gone mad themselves.”

It’s widely believed by those that have met psychiatrists that they only studied the subject to find out what kind of nuts they were. And that was before wokism struck.

Arky
December 13, 2021 3:30 pm

“Say Bill, you got the list for that tranche we did today”?
“Which one, the nunnery or the brothel”? Remember, nuns go into the active medicine group”.
“Brothel”.
“Oh yeah, remember to put them in the control group”
“The nuns”?
“No the brothel”
“Got it. Nuns, control group”.
“I give up. Oh well, we can just exclude the lot afterwards”.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 3:32 pm

Sound familiar?

In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,”1 he said.

Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated.2 “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.3

Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury.45

Fast forward four years:

Feb 27, 2013 (CIDRAP News) – Scientists have found the first evidence of a link between the 2009 pandemic flu vaccine Pandemrix and an increased risk of narcolepsy in English children, echoing previous findings in several other European countries.

Oops!

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 13, 2021 3:32 pm

James Bond ‘R’ Us:

A Brisbane electrician will spend Christmas in jail after he was found with a James Bond-like car that could deploy weapons and conceal its licence plates.

Simon John Hickey appeared by audiovisual link in Tweed Heads Local Court on Friday.

He previously pleaded guilty to possessing identity information to commit an indictable offence and possessing a prohibited weapon without permit.

An extra charge of manufacturing a prohibited weapon without a permit was added, to which Hickey pleaded guilty.

Hickey was previously sentenced for the offending, however the aggregate sentence of three years in jail was appealed on severity grounds in the District Court and returned to the Local Court to hear.

Magistrate Annette Sinclair detailed the events from August 28, 2019, where Hickey was found with a drivers licence with his photo and a different name which Queensland licence authorities had no record of.

On examination of the car he was driving, police found a number of caltrops – sometimes known as road spikes – that had been affixed to the car in a way that they could be deployed from inside the vehicle.

Ms Sinclair said an examination of his phone showed photographs of individual caltrops.

The vehicle was also fitted with a device that allowed Hickey to cover his number plate from inside the car, making it more difficult for police to identify the vehicle or the driver.

She said the most serious offence was possession of the caltrops as their deployment could lead to serious injury of other road users.

Defence barrister Ben Barrack told the court his client’s offending was a mistake of law as caltrops were not considered a prohibited weapon in Queensland.

Mr Barrack detailed Hickey’s upbringing which was filled with violence and resulted in symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder.

He said in a previous sentencing assessment report Hickey had focused on his beliefs and rights and tried to minimise his offending, however a newer psychologist’s report showed he had gained insight and become more remorseful.

Ms Sinclair accepted the offending was motivated by self-protection and hyper-vigilance and although he had a record of similar offending there was no level of actual violence.

She said there were special circumstances due to his mental health.

Hickey was sentenced to 18 months in jail with 10 months non-parole back dated to May 13.

He will be eligible for parole on March 12, 2022.

Courier-Mail

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 3:32 pm

Um………………………….. The western world is under attack and we are at war.

Yes. And so far, we’re losing because ppl haven’t seen it’s a war because guns haven’t been going off.

Aaron
Aaron
December 13, 2021 3:35 pm

Good news from the Courier Mail.

Probably, got the updates from Israel…

………… ……….. ………..

HOW LONG WILL A BOOSTER LAST?

Researchers are still studying whether booster shots will last as long, longer or less than the original dual doses. The original clinical trials for the vaccines didn’t account for waning effectiveness or the need for additional boosters to maintain their efficacy. Therefore, the long-term efficacy of the boosters, and whether there will be the need for another shot, and then another or another, is currently unknown.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 3:36 pm

dover0beachsays:
December 13, 2021 at 3:12 pm
On top of this Dover’s own excerpt says that there’s a strong belief the 409 had covid prior to the vax.

Except that that’s not what it says at all. See my comment at 2.55pm.

JC’s conspiracy theory is a very strange one.
Presumably he’s not suggesting that Pfizer’s researchers were deliberately understating the infections in the control group to make Pfizer’s drug look worse.
He does seem to be claiming (by a misreading of dover’ extract) that Pfizer’s researchers were overstating – or at least maximising the figures for – infections in the test group, thus making Pfizer’s drug look worse.
That seems unlikely, but the key point is that (subject to the possibility of some macro-stuffup of the type Arky refers to above*) unless he’s saying that the Pfizer researchers were treating the control group differently to the test group in a way that made the drug look worse (which would be real ABC fact-checker level fantasy), given the number of standard deviations of difference Arky and Dr B calculated, you’d have to work hard on your wrongology to see it making any material difference to the outcome.
* If the argument is that “I don’t like the conclusion so I’m going to assume that it was a stuffup even though dover produced another paper with even more stark results”, well, the World Self-Beclownment Hall of Fame is beckoning.

Aaron
Aaron
December 13, 2021 3:37 pm

That is almost Pythonesque.

Maybe a secret anti- vaxxed in the office…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2021 3:37 pm

40,000 people waiting to get into QLD to buy homes they haven’t seen but saw online.

‘basically.’

Uh huh. Well, the borders opened this morning so this should pan out as prophecied, right? Aaaaaany day now.

‘the majority of white, anglo saxon Australians are found in Qld.’ Followed by the standard whitey Anzac borrowed schtick.

Tell you what St. Ruth, I’d rather listen to some Czechs, Hungarians and/or Poles who left their shit pits, emigrated and worked their rings off if I wanted to hear about what freedom actually is, rather than an entire tribe of Chinese-built truck driving pub singer tour guides who self-imported into what turned out to be the most oppressive State in the country.

White Anglo Saxon males. Jesus wept. Are wives required to be Anglo as well?

St. Ruth? St. Ruth?

Hello?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 3:43 pm

Um………………………….. The western world is under attack and we are at war.

Yes. And so far, we’re losing because ppl haven’t seen it’s a war because guns haven’t been going off.

To cheer you all up, it’s always a small minority of those predisposed to thought who notice when something is going on. Then they point it out to their friends, who point it out to their friends, and so on, until everyone has noticed. The transmission of even the bleeding obvious takes time. And we’ve started the process. And, credit where it’s due, Struth was one of the first to notice.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 3:44 pm

Nothing more.

Hmm, so not quite what I thought either. But still zero support for JC’s wrongology.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 3:45 pm

Rabz:

What’s happened to Cassie?

I hope she won’t mind me filling people in on this – she’s recuperating in hospital after some knee surgery. She’s OK, but you don’t get over that type of thing quickly.

Fair enuff.
Knees are knasty.
Hope you’re getting lotsa pain relief, Cassie.
Give us an example of buzz blogging.
I double dare ya!

Tom
Tom
December 13, 2021 3:46 pm

Alan Jones is launching a new streaming service tonight at 8pm via his new website, https://alanjones.com.au/, called Alan Jones Direct to the People.

Reviews welcome here.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2021 3:48 pm

Clearly, I am in denial.

I’m firmly in the politicians’ desire to save the people painting themselves as Churchills/locking step with each other so as not to look stupid/painting themselves into economically catastrophic corners/already paid for millions of unnecessary vaccines/complete inability and-or refusal to walk it back camp.

The socialist ‘coup d’etat’ concept has been around since Marx and Engels. Must be the longest one ever at 140 years, particularly as by definition coups d’état are done and dusted in a day or so.

Zipster
December 13, 2021 3:48 pm

Doctors say a common symptom reported by people who are infected by the Omicron variant is a “scratchy” throat.

People who test positive most commonly report cold-like symptoms like a headache, runny nose, sore throat and sneezing, according to the ZOE Covid system study app.

devastating, lockdown now!

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 3:48 pm

And, credit where it’s due, Struth

struth, struth, struth!

I been complaining about commies under the bed since the beginning

I want a tiara too.

… and a pony

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
December 13, 2021 3:53 pm

wot bogey said.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 3:54 pm

KD, you’re a bitchy little girl at times.
Don’t let your emotions run wild and make a fool of you…..ooops, too late.

There are thousands waiting to come to Qld and are now moving up.
I admit, they are silly bastards, because they will not be avoiding the tyranny.
You put a house on the market up here and it is gone very quickly, sometimes within hours.
These are called facts.
And many are being bought online by interstaters.
They will now be moving up just in time for the extra tyranny up here.
But that’s what is happening.
I make the simple and truthful observation that the Anzacs and old Australia was generally white and those were the people that understood what gave them freedom being in the majority up here and that many of those aren’t life long Qlders, but from other states…thousands more coming.
And that these people have had the time to see what the adverse reactions to the jab are.
I made it as least parochial as I could while reporting on demographic and timeline variations that are the plain truth, but nyou had to come in and boo hoo.
You are missing Frank, aren’t you?

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 3:55 pm

I don’t see why we can’t have commies under the bed and stupid politicians.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
December 13, 2021 3:56 pm

KD, you’re a bitchy little girl at times.

A little girl at others.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 3:57 pm

Vicki:

Made husband change station as I said I refuse to listen to someone who actually would like to see me dead. He is more sanguine about these things, but it enrages me.

You are right to be enraged, Vicki. “Othering ” is stage 5* on the ten stage trip to the Re-education Camps.
* I plucked that figure from my rectum because I’d forgotten the stages that someone put up here a week or so ago.

Speedbox
December 13, 2021 3:58 pm

Zipstersays:
December 13, 2021 at 3:48 pm

Jeeesus on a bike Zipster. Don’t even think it. Up here they’re mad as hatters.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
December 13, 2021 3:58 pm

aaahh, couldn’t help myself.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 4:02 pm

who self-imported into what turned out to be the most oppressive State in the country.

lol are you ok?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 4:03 pm

particularly as by definition coups d’état are done and dusted in a day or so.

So all the evil weevils have to do is use salami tactics and you guarantee that you won’t notice.

You haven’t thought this through.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 4:05 pm

I don’t see why we can’t have commies under the bed and stupid politicians.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

That was 20th century Australian politics defined.

Maybe it’s like some big cosmic groundhog day where we have to replay the same century again and again and again until we get it right.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2021 4:05 pm

‘And many are being bought online by interstaters.’

40,000. Righto. We’ll see.

I’m not boo-hooing anything except empty rhetoric stolen and/or cut and pasted from SovCit sites and Bosi offcuts.

REPORT THIS AD.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 4:06 pm

rickw:

RickW, you’re a tough bloke and you’ve kept your integrity under pressure. I’m sure it’s more important than any job. I’m confident that you’ll survive and flourish. People like you do.

What Doc Beaugan said.
You’ve paid a high price for your beliefs, a price far too many wouldn’t pay.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:09 pm

DrBeauGan says:
December 13, 2021 at 2:58 pm

To remind you, the study group was 43,651.

This is the reddest of red herrings, it really is. Suppose you had two machines making widgets. One has one defective widget in every 100,000. The other has one defective widget in every 200,000. If you could only replace one machine with a new machine guaranteed to produce not more than one defective widget in a million, which one would you replace? Does the fact that there is nothing wrong with 99,999 widgets in the first machine convince you there’s no difference between the first two machines?

It’s a Bin(26,000, p) situation with p being less than 0.02. So yes, 99.8+% of the cases aren’t relevant.

Doc, you were making light of stat conferences you attended. I’d say that you had listened a little you may have learnt something instead of behaving like you were the smartest guy in the room. Frankly, it sounds like someone in a poker game who can’t isn’t aware of the dummy at the table. When that happens, we know it is.

Your analogy about the tall men and short females is thickheaded and here’s why.

If your analogy was reasonable, you’d be saying the following.

We have a sample size of 43,651. We are informed that 287 males are on average x inches shorter than 409 females. ( I reversed it, so I wouldn’t sound sexist :-)). We’re not telling you the relative size of the remaining 42,955 people in the trial. We’re just giving you information just on the 287 + 409.

From the stats, I learnt decades ago, once you decide on the sample you cannot take any shortcuts as it destroys the integrity of the study. That’s basic stats when dealing with sampling. You may have understood this if you had bothered to listen instead of preening.

The idea that covid is more likely for a period immediately after taking the vaccine is preposterous.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2021 4:10 pm

Of course it’s salami tactics DBG. Like I said. Been around for 140 years.

But it is NOT a coup d’état, and to use the term for this shit circumstance is not only incorrect, it highlights that people have been reading the true whack-job sites and then repeating phrases they hear without knowing what they mean.

Like toddlers do. Does nothing for credibility, in my own view.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Whoops

We’re confident knowing who it is.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 13, 2021 4:15 pm

I will ruminate on 40,000 boomers all moving to Queensland at once in the next fortnight whilst watching tasty pieces on their way to and from the beach.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:17 pm

You a bit lonely without Frank, KD?
It would be an emotional time for you, I get that.
And considering you got jabbed as well, it’s probably playing on your mind like JC.
At least you had a reason to get Jabbed, I suppose…..
JC just wanted to go on holidays.
I’ve been right about this from day one, and so has twostix and a few others, yet one of my chief protagonists is probably dead, too stubborn to be told anything from the underclasses.
If you got jabbed, you did the wrong thing, for your own health.
You are a ticking time bomb.
You must come to terms with it, find peace with god, and not explode with emotion at those who haven’t, but also warned you not to take it.
Pleaded with you in fact.

Please do not take the booster.
You can abuse me as much as you like, but I plead with all I know, good people or wankers, do not take the jab, do not take the boosters.
Let’s try to give you ten more years and not four, two, or even less.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 4:18 pm

In “The Tide is Turning News,”
Here.

Arky
December 13, 2021 4:19 pm

If you got jabbed, you did the wrong thing, for your own health.
You are a ticking time bomb.

..
Not helpful.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:20 pm

A coup d’état (/?ku?de??t??/ ( listen); French for “blow of state”), usually shortened to coup, (also known as an overthrow) is a seizure and removal of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, military, or a dictator.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 4:27 pm

KD it seems to upset you greatly that QLD held out the longest and tens of thousands of Victorians and Sydneysiders are clawing over each other to get here and move into their houses here that they paid insane amounts of money, sight unseen during the long dark winter because of that.

Now they may be wrong to do that, but it’s happening.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:27 pm

Not helpful.

The truth is always helpful.
It is no longer about them , but about the people they love.
It should never be about self, but those we love.
You fix what you can before you leave this earth and you get your loved ones in the best position they can be to survive and flourish, and in doing so, you find peace.
And knowing you are most likely going soon, will help you be proactive in these things.
If you do not go for ten years, you will have a better life for being that person anyway.
Reality and truth set you free.
It’s sort of a Christian view of things.
Remember my only son went and got jabbed, such was the peer group pressure.
Old dad’s making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Am I?
Yep me and thousands of nurses and ……

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 4:28 pm

The formation of the “National Cabinet” last year, from which we have been governed by a secret cabal of the PM and state premiers making rules and agreements without us, was absolutely a coup.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2021 4:37 pm

In “The Tide is Turning News,”
Here.

He’s behind the times, they’re up to Plan C now.

Plan C Covid rules – Every new restriction that could be brought in before Christmas (12 Dec)

Last week the Prime Minister announced he was completely rolling out his Covid winter ‘Plan B’ as the spread of the Omicron variant and rising case numbers threatened to overwhelm the NHS.

However, daily Covid case numbers for the UK are continuing to rise – 54,073 reported for Saturday, December 11 – as are the numbers relating specifically to the Omicron variant, which now stand at 1,898 in total.

Consequently, the PM could move to extend Covid measures for the UK as early as next week.

Plan C for Omicron? They’re soon going to run out of letters from two whole alphabets at this rate.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:37 pm

Vile and contemptible. Again, the ratio is delightful.

Refuseniks is a Russian derogatory term for Jews.
Quite appropriate a POS like here would use such language.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:37 pm

I’m a scientist, you know.

🙂

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 4:38 pm

The formation of the “National Cabinet” last year, from which we have been governed by a secret cabal of the PM and state premiers making rules and agreements without us, was absolutely a coup.

Yep. Preceded by and followed by what I might reasonably call microaggressions.

I can see why ppl find Struth irritating; I don’t, but his style gets up some noses. But on the central issue, how our country is being stolen before our eyes, he’s spot on.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 4:41 pm

I was pretty sure you would miss the point, JC. And you did. You are sloppy in your thinking and you don’t read carefully. I guess it’s who you are.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:41 pm

The poms have done their virtue signalling.
It seems two years of intense virtue signalling when ordered by government, has a tolerance level of two years.
GB news is great and Niel Oliver gets it said.
Typically a man who knows history understands the world around him.
And he and his family “will be celebrrrrrating Chrrrrristmas as we see fit!”
A great bloke to listen to when you’ve been surrounded by moronic Australians

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:43 pm

Neil…….. I before E except after C or in Neil

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:44 pm

And considering you got jabbed as well, it’s probably playing on your mind like JC.
At least you had a reason to get Jabbed, I suppose…..
JC just wanted to go on holidays.

Struth, let me be perfectly honest with you (as opposed to dishonest). I got two jabs and I don’t give a shit. I’m not waltzing around everyday thinking about it. I respect people who have taken the opposite side and I would fight for their rights to do so which is why I joined and donated to the LDP last week. Mandates and the treatment of people who don’t want to be jabbed is fucking appalling.

That said, it’s a personal decision and that’s that.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 4:45 pm

JCsays:
December 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm

That whole comment would have to be one of the stupidest things ever posted on the internet, but particularly: We’re not telling you the relative size of the remaining 42,955 people in the trial.

Are you really suggesting that the researchers didn’t follow up all the members of both groups, or that they’re hiding the data on those remaining 42,955? Do you really think that them saying that 409 and 287 were infected in the period in question doesn’t mean that they’re saying that they’d found the rest non-infected during that period?

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:46 pm

I can see why ppl find Struth irritating; I don’t, but his style gets up some noses.

What do you expect from a nanna killer and conspiracy theorist.

Zipster
December 13, 2021 4:47 pm

Plan C for Omicron? They’re soon going to run out of letters from two whole alphabets at this rate.

we’ll have to start using Han glyphs

Arky
December 13, 2021 4:47 pm

doesn’t mean that they’re saying that they’d found the rest non-infected during that period?

..
They might have been half infected.
Or infected and a half.
Or double secret infected.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2021 4:50 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
December 13, 2021 at 4:15 pm
I will ruminate on 40,000 boomers all moving to Queensland at once in the next fortnight whilst watching tasty pieces on their way to and from the beach.

I live in flesh city. It is delightful at this time of year. As for those 40,000 boomers moving here, they can FOAD.

Frank
Frank
December 13, 2021 4:50 pm

Winston Smith says:
December 13, 2021 at 4:18 pm

That clip is depressing, it highlights how poorly served we are by our political and by extension, journalistic classes, over here.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Wasn’t Klaus Schwab arrested?

Arky
December 13, 2021 4:53 pm

“Say Bill, how do we report these 400 vaxxed who got it anyway”?
“Say they’re damned lucky they got the vaccine, unlike those poor double secret infected bastards in the control group”.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:53 pm

I was pretty sure you would miss the point, JC. And you did. You are sloppy in your thinking and you don’t read carefully. I guess it’s who you are.

Naa, I’m reasonably thorough when I need to be. Thanks for caring though.
Doc, can I just tell you what really doesn’t work. It may work with a peanut gallery but it doesn’t for thoughtful individuals.

Making stupid open ended comments like the last one (as an example of many others) doesn’t work. You need to explain why you think that and believe it to be true. It’s just ad hom without a shred detail. Do what I do, which is abuse idiotic comments but also explain why I think that. It makes one sound humble and thoughtful. Just a little advice going forward. Knowing you though, I’m pretty sure you won’t take this well intentioned free advice.

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 4:54 pm

State premiers and the PM stood down our parliaments, formed a new government that consisted soley of…them, engaged the emergency powers acts then used the cover of the National Cabinet to run Australia in secret like a South American Junta through ‘edicts’, puppet “Chief Health Officers” and doling out favours and special treatment to media and ‘personalities’ to make sure they didn’t get off side, attacked and unpersoned anyone in the establishment who piped up to stop them, and used the police to violently stomp the people when they attempted small revolts against this system.

Coup isn’t a strong enough word for the last 18 months, but it happened and we are living it, and instead of ending, they’re now starting to normalise and cement in this new mode of operation via black letter law.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 4:56 pm

Neilson

Give it a rest. You have zero idea about pretty much everything. Go catch a reindeer.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 4:56 pm

A member of my family moved up in 2020, though they already owned one house in qld, they bought another and moved up there full time, very young kids and not boomers though.
that’s on top of the 30,000 that moved last year

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 4:57 pm

Yes JC, but do you deny telling people to stop being little girls and to go and get the jab?

I tell people not to get the jab, but I can’t force them not to. But I have a duty to say out loud that I believe they are incredibly dangerous, in fact lethal…as they have proved to be.
You don’t let your mates drive home from the pub pissed and say, well, that’s his business.
I have a moral obligation to try to stop it happening.
That being said, the jab only kills those that take it and once my opposition to taking it has been registered, it then is completely up to those warned and I’d never stop them.
I believe in free choice, but moral responsibility.
That then brings into question how moral is submitting to tyranny, when doing so will empower the tyrants to discriminate against other people, and may have them imprisoned or killed.
I can’t take the jab while so many others are holding out because I help the tyrants hurt them.
These are the points…….quite simple….that I have been making for nearly two years.
I and twostix have said this is nothing to do with a virus and to do with bringing in a social credit scheme of digital tyranny the likes of which will be horrific.
Oh how they scoffed………
Submitting to this does have moral responsibility questions to ask yourself before complying.
How does your complying affect others?

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:00 pm

FMD. I was walking through a tight carpark today and walked straight into a fucking towbar (just below the knee). It hurt like hell’s bitches. I looked down about a hour later and the bruise was so big it looked like I had another knee below the other. I’ve never seen a bruise that big! I went to see the doc who patched it up tightly and reckons it will be bruised for about 5 weeks.

Baba
Baba
December 13, 2021 5:00 pm

To not ask the question is to answer it?

Ms Viney said her son had chest pain in the days leading up to his death and did not seek medical help.

The coroner has told her he had a fatty heart condition.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 5:02 pm

I know this area has been booming, lots of new people who I assume are reffos from Sydney and maybe Vic. Prices generally still affordable but that won’t last long. Everything you could possibly want a short drive away in Newcastle and Sydney and back in a day if you need to go.

Plus beaches, no traffic, an almost Mediterranean climate.

My kids only live in Sydney because of work. If you could get out, you would.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:03 pm

Yes JC, but do you deny telling people to stop being little girls and to go and get the jab?

I’ve said it once I believe as a joke. Lighten up. Horace. Seriously, I couldn’t give a shit if you or anyone else was jabbing up with heroin laced with AZ.

I wonder how that would work? Half heroin and half AZ. Struth, I want to test it on you. Are you in?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 5:04 pm

callisays:
December 13, 2021 at 3:55 pm
I don’t see why we can’t have commies under the bed and stupid politicians.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

OK, but that’ll have to be your Christmas present and your birthday present.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Incoherent Rumbler:

That would require untampered, raw data. Verifiable.

A pipe dream, IR.
That is the one thing you aren’t allowed to have.
You just might figure out the truth.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:04 pm

Tow bars should be banned. I’m just putting it out there.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 5:06 pm

I know your pain. My shins have a long memory. Probably longer than my nanna wriggler doomed brain.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 5:07 pm

JCsays:
December 13, 2021 at 4:53 pm
Making stupid open ended comments like the last one (as an example of many others) doesn’t work. You need to explain why you think that and believe it to be true. It’s just ad hom without a shred detail. Do what I do, which is abuse idiotic comments but also explain why I think that.

JCsays:
December 13, 2021 at 4:56 pm
Neilson

Give it a rest. You have zero idea about pretty much everything. Go catch a reindeer.

Another spectacular calamitous slapstick boffo self-beclownment by JC.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 5:08 pm

I looked down about a hour later and the bruise was so big it looked like I had another knee below the other.

anybody experienced in Ute Wrangling coulda told ya that need to be careful around them. Even when they’re just sitting there doing nothing they can dangerous.

Never turn yr back on them.
Keep yr wits about you and your eyes open.
Stick to the fences and don’t wander into a herd

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:09 pm

Struth

Not for nothing, but I see your son really listens to you. Why should we?

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 5:09 pm

you got lucky this time
count yr blessings

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 5:10 pm

The Towball of Doom

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 5:12 pm

We will again spend Christmas unemployed, and apparently unable to go to restaurants, pubs, shops, unable to see my family who are interstate, and my father is in hospital today in Adelaide and my unjabbed mother not allowed in without dressing in PPE gear, so dad said not to worry about it, as it is no different to a yellow star, so she is going nuts, and I am constantly on the phone to her.
I have been stocking up for the coming adblue shortages ….life’s fantastic.
All caused by compliance.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 5:13 pm

You need to explain why you think that and believe it to be true. It’s just ad hom without a shred detail.

Coming from you, that’s quite funny. You often are, and it’s much to your credit.

I note that your personal attacks on your enemies have been notably reduced in frequency lately. Are you growing up, maturing, do you think? Or has Dover been getting you to simulate it?

Frank
Frank
December 13, 2021 5:13 pm

Regarding the towbar, was the car mocking you afterwards by having a pair of trucker’s nuts as well? That would be embarrassing.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 5:13 pm

The Towball of Doom

an economic omen

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 5:14 pm

Struth

Not for nothing, but I see your son really listens to you. Why should we?

Well, I gave you reasons above, you know, those reasons you don’t want to address.
Ask me again in a couple of years if we are still alive.
You killed by the vax, and me for refusing it.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
December 13, 2021 5:14 pm

Just to re-wind the tape. Here’s the first real action in JC’s mammoth self-beclownment.
JCsays:
December 12, 2021 at 9:42 pm
dover0beach says:
December 12, 2021 at 9:17 pm
….
So what? Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.

We’re now up to 19 1/2 hours, and innumerable doublings down by JC, but he’s still yet to make a factually accurate statement or logically valid assertion in support of that claim.
It’s world class self-beclownment! Watch and learn, all of you who aspire to the World Self-Beclownment Hall of Fame!

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:15 pm

Matrix

I’m on blood thinners. The freaking swelling got so big I actually was worried and went to the doc who patched it up with a tight bandage. It’s now throbbing and really painful. But I have that annoying pest, Neilson making stupid comments which aggravates me even more. Best to ignore the trolling.

MatrixTransform
December 13, 2021 5:17 pm

All caused by compliance

you’d reckon that the consequences of non-compliance in a pandemic would show up on yr health score rather than yr bank balance.

I’m surrounded by strangers except for this joint and I don’t even know most of youse.

strange times

twostix
twostix
December 13, 2021 5:18 pm

Mid and North QLD needs to be a little humble though, the maniac new CHO will bring the pressure on up there via contrived ‘outbreaks’ and there is zero immunity to covid karenism up there and that will break out in weird and awful ways at this late stage.

What’s the secret to getting into and out of shopping centres without signing in and getting karened? They don’t know. How to get a reliable supply of petrol without wearing a mask? They don’t know. How do you detect when a ‘lockdown’ is incoming and get the hell outta the LGA radius without getting dobbed in? It’s all skills learned like eastern europeans learned to get around guards and the prison system see. Now north QLD have been sitting pretty and partying like it’s 2019, but at the same time none of them have learned the prisoner skills that others have. Man I’d love to learn from a Victorian hard timer, I bet there’s some excellent skills and techniques that have been honed down there that we’ve never even heard of. Best in the world I’d say.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:19 pm

calli says:
December 13, 2021 at 5:10 pm

The Towball of Doom

No, the ball wasn’t the culprit. It was what I’d call the “tongue” thing hanging out.

Delta A
Delta A
December 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Neil…….. I before E except after C or in Neil

… or when the sound is ‘see’, as in Neil.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 5:21 pm

Daughter has all three permits ready.
One for Vic, one for nsw and one to get back into Queensland.
Tomorrow.

Still hoping one day this madness will be over.
Took family member to vicroads this morning as licence has been suspended for health reasons.
Queue of fifty or more outside and the day getting hotter, asked if we could made an appointment as they can’t stand in a queue in the heat for an hour, only option was a chair in the no air-conditioned foyer. Going to try again mid week at 8.30.
No doubt a lot of frayed tempers as the temperature increases.
Appalling ‘system’.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:22 pm

I note that your personal attacks on your enemies have been notably reduced in frequency lately. Are you growing up, maturing, do you think? Or has Dover been getting you to simulate it?

It’s a Dover negotiated Armistice. Much to his credit.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 5:23 pm

I feel your pain, JC.

Well, no I don’t actually, and I’m rather glad about not feeling it.

I hope you respect my slightly delayed honesty.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Thanks Doc.

shatterzzz
December 13, 2021 5:25 pm

For the WW2 buffs! a very good 1959 German made version of STALINGRAD .. for its age a great mixing of real footage into the acting sequence(s) makes a very good, no nonsense, movie except for a 5 minute section towards the end where the writer couldn’t help himself and throws in a totally, improbable scenario!
The full title doesn’t do itself any favours either but still an excellent telling of the Battle ot Stalingrad
STALINGRAD : DOGS DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER ..
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051749/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_7
Probably, not on any of the streamers, given its age, tho .. I downloaded it (with sub-titles)

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 5:26 pm

Get petrol without a mask?
Just walk in to any petrol station in Melbourne.
I’ve been in to several, east and west, all staffed by sub continentals. No mask no qr code. No-one cared.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 5:26 pm

It’s a Dover negotiated Armistice. Much to his credit.

Ah. So you’re not maturing then. I’m glad to hear it. Maturity is a very good thing if you are a lump of cheese. Otherwise there’s little or nothing to be said in its favour.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 5:26 pm

I know it well, JC. The Device of the Devil.

On me it leaves a dent, not a lump. I can’t tell you how many times I walked into it, eyes fixed on the task in the middle distance. Beyond swear words to describe.

My little retirement car is towbar free. The Beloved’s is not, but has a great spare tyre hanging off the back to give me a visual cue, thank goodness.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
December 13, 2021 5:26 pm

‘February 5 is the long-awaited date Western Australia will open its borders to the rest of the world, Premier Mark McGowan announces ….’

February 5 2037? Or is he getting stick for losing the test match to Hobart?

Winston Smith
December 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Calli:

China is about to host the Winter Olympics.
Best not to imagine…anything. Think happy thoughts instead.

I wish you hadn’t said that.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:28 pm

I suppose people have talked about this earlier. If they haven’t. Have you seen the devastation from those tornadoes in the US?

FMD, a small town looks like it’s been flattened. And 70 plus deadsky.

Jeez Louise. Also late in the year for this shit to be happening. No, I’m not gerbiling.

calli
calli
December 13, 2021 5:30 pm

Appalling ‘system’.

Welcome to the Soviet. You belong to the system, you serve the system.

It does not serve you.

struth
struth
December 13, 2021 5:31 pm

On my facebook page I wrote this.

I note the head screaming Karen has all her good Nazi papers at the ready.

At one time, only good Nazis got to do things if they were compliant and had their papers. At one time, in some places, black people had to sit up the back of the theatre. If you use your vaccine passport, you are sitting their proudly at the front of the theatre participating in segregation and no different to those that put the blacks at the back.
So you may not believe this, but I don’t want to be in that theatre , pub or restaurant, with the likes of you either.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 13, 2021 5:31 pm

I’ve only walked into a tow-bar once. I’m trying to give it up. Like being married.

I’ve scraped my car against them a few times because you can’t see them. I now assume there always is one of the buggers, lurking.

Razey
Razey
December 13, 2021 5:33 pm

JCsays:
December 13, 2021 at 4:44 pm
And considering you got jabbed as well, it’s probably playing on your mind like JC.
At least you had a reason to get Jabbed, I suppose…..
JC just wanted to go on holidays.

Struth, let me be perfectly honest with you (as opposed to dishonest). I got two jabs and I don’t give a shit. I’m not waltzing around everyday thinking about it. I respect people who have taken the opposite side and I would fight for their rights to do so which is why I joined and donated to the LDP last week. Mandates and the treatment of people who don’t want to be jabbed is fucking appalling.

That said, it’s a personal decision and that’s that.

I’ll give a pass only to those who got the clot shot prior to the mandates. Everyone post mandate should have resisted.

Which is why they waited for the critical mass. Learn your lesson. DO NOT GET THE BOOSTER! PLEASE!

Delta A
Delta A
December 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Tow bars should be banned. I’m just putting it out there.

No, but inconsiderate jerks who leave the tow bar on when not towing should be fined.

When we were grey-nomading, Best Man had a ‘thing’ about removing the tow bar, every time. He’d suffered a few cruel knocks on others’ cars in the past and wasn’t going to be responsible for injuring someone else.

Arky
December 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Note to self: Buy bigger, sharper towbar.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Razey

That’s me. I got the two shots with the last one before they began to make these mandate rules.

I’m currently at 33% success rate when asked for proof of vax. When asked, I say that I would like to see their proof of vax. Yesterday, one woman showed me hers . I tell them that I would like to feel as safe too.. with them!

Arky
December 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Delta walking into a towbar: “ Clonk”.
Delta walking into a toe bar walking the opposite way: “Owwww”.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Who is the ‘head screaming karen’?
My daughter and baby granddaughter are coming to see family for the first time in 8/9 months, they will be joined by dad a little later.
They have suffered long and hard being separated from their entire extended family for too long.
And there are two great grandmothers, one very frail and a very unwell other close relative who would are dying to see them.
And no, they won’t be thinking about your ‘rights’ St ruth.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
December 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Anyone know where Novavax is at?

Slow-walked.

Last accurate information regarding production and purity issues in US factory is about 2.5 months old, now.

JC
JC
December 13, 2021 5:48 pm

Seriously folks.. For all those vax.. Create a disturbance and tell your friends to do so. Ask the store vax police for proof they too have been vaxxed as “you also want to feel safe”. It’s unexpected and they hate it. Be polite though, but demanding. It’s important to cause as much friction as possible.

cohenite
December 13, 2021 5:49 pm

FMD. I was walking through a tight carpark today and walked straight into a fucking towbar (just below the knee). It hurt like hell’s bitches. I looked down about a hour later and the bruise was so big it looked like I had another knee below the other. I’ve never seen a bruise that big!

Get an injection immediately; preferably 2.

  1. Presidential election final – Trump 312; And the popular vote, he’s won a thumping victory.

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