Mater’s Mischief #6: This raises some interesting questions

Location: Central Canberra
  1. Will they be checking Vaccination Certificates?
  2. Will there be density limits (apart from between their ears)?
  3. Will it be considered ‘essential’ and be allowed to proceed amidst any Covid restrictions?
  4. Will Dan be the keynote speaker (with so many contenders to choose from in Victoria)?
  5. If so, will he make it up the stairs to the lectern, without incident?

What is not in question is their ability to find an empty venue in Melbourne to host it.

There’ll be no threats to venue management, and who else would risk organising anything in advance in Melbourne.

71 thoughts on “Mater’s Mischief #6: This raises some interesting questions”

  1. Lol. Knobs on a knob.

    Shame it wasn’t starting a fortnight earlier. Then the image would be perfect.

    As an aside, I thought commos didn’t recognise religious “opium for the masses” dates.


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  2. I mentioned to my daughter that I was concerned about the economic future. It just slipped out: I’m normally more careful. She replied “you’re on the pension, how bad can the death of late stage capitalism be? You will personally be ok.”

    Once again revert to talking about the vegetable garden. The eggplants are refusing to set fruit.


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  3. It all comes back to that very sage saying:

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. – George Santayana

    Schools no longer teach (relevant) history, so today’s youth know nothing of the dangers that Marxism/Socialism/Communism present. Not until all the Marxists/Socialist/Communists are purged from the education system will sanity prevail.


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  4. Here are some of my questions….

    Who will be among the guest speakers? Proud Marxist scum like Helen Razer and that ALP and ALPBC fave….the perpetually sour and nasty Van Badham?

    Will attendees queuing up to the conference be attacked? You know, just like people who queued up to hear Milo and Lauren were pelted, screamed at and physically attacked.

    Who will the Victorian fascist police bill for their presence to “keep the peace”? The conference organisers? You know, just like they billed the Milo and Lauren organisers.


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  5. “Muzsays:
    January 7, 2022 at 8:00 am
    I mentioned to my daughter that I was concerned about the economic future. It just slipped out: I’m normally more careful. She replied “you’re on the pension, how bad can the death of late stage capitalism be? You will personally be ok.”

    Once again revert to talking about the vegetable garden. The eggplants are refusing to set fruit.”

    I come from a family where such a statement about “the death of late stage capitalism” would be confronted and argued. You can’t ignore such ignorant gunk.


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  6. Who designs those posters? They’re as slick and formulaic as a toothpaste commercial. There’s always a young woman shouting, with her fist raised. Yawn. Usually she is meant to be ‘of colour’ and I’ve seen some where she is holding a loud hailer. Hard to tell from that photo, but it almost looks like a New York Yankees logo on the baseball cap in the background.


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  7. the death of late stage capitalism

    the kiddies are spouting that phrase quite a bit lately.
    been hearing from one of mine as well.

    we are currently one camp above base-camp on Mt Stupid and Im getting the feeling that we are preparing to make a push for the summit soon.


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  8. “Late stage capitalism”.

    Always the head of the glorious future is crowning, followed by the inevitable disappointment as another mong “not real communism” is born.

    Is late stage capitalism just before its perfected?


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  9. “…how bad can the death of late stage capitalism be?”

    It is not capitalism that has “failed” you, it is crony capitalism.
    Crony capitalism is facism – the lucrative merger of business and the state.
    This always creeps up on you slowly, then rapidly engulfs you.

    Capitalism is the natural state of humans – “You have fish, I have potatoes, let’s swap some and we can both have fish and chips. Now let’s haggle about how many spuds per fish…”

    But capitalism – and freedom – are hard . You are not told what to do or how to live, you must figure it out for yourself. So many choices, so many ways to get it wrong. So much unfairness! But the alternatives are all worse – they all result in you being forced to do what you don’t want to do and the misallocation of resources that will make your life worse, not better.
    Capitalism is in no way perfect, but it is less imperfect than any other system we have ever tried . If you are concerned about the environment etc, then you are in actual fact living a much better life than 99.999% of human beings that ever lived – the vast majority never had the luxury of focusing on making sure that racism was derided; they were too busy trying to stay alive for another day!


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  10. The young worry me. I’m lucky with my sister’s two boys….they’re libertarian/conservatives. My brother’s boy is woke and progressive….I love him but am happy he lives in the UK so I don’t have to have too many conversations with him. All my nephews and my one niece have lived incredibly privileged lives, all attended private schools.

    I found out yesterday that a friend’s nephew, who’s in a job that requires political neutrality, has joined the Labor party. I’m actually utterly disgusted at the news and I want nothing to do with him now. This friend has many nieces and nephews and they have all had the same incredibly privileged lives, all attended private schools and they’re ALL woke…bar one. One even got arrested at an anti-Adani demo a few years ago (it’s never stopped him (pre-Covid) from travelling overseas two or three times a year). They all make me feel physically sick and I just ignore them. Am I being too harsh? I actually want nothing to do with people like them. I find them dangerous, I find them utterly hypocritical but the worst thing is that I find them DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.


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  11. I love how marxists still see ‘conservatives’ as their enemy, deride them with wanting to go back to 1950’s (which is also funny since to have any memory of the 50’s you would need to be in your 70’s – not a very politically active demographic), yet they are still in thrall to a political tract from the 19th century.

    Everything their ideas predicted failed to come to pass – and when they try to convince people we are really living in hell it sounds like they babbling in a different language.


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  12. I know I have the rudest mind…but I’m still seeing that poster as a Marxism designed condom.

    It just won’t work!

    You may now resume your high fallutin’ political discussions.


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  13. “They all make me feel physically sick and I just ignore them. Am I being too harsh?”

    Cassie, you surely learned your attitudes and beliefs from someone – you would repay those poorly if you did not even try to educate the youngsters. That is a debt you owe your teachers. You might not succeed, but that is irrelevant – it is the attempt that matters.

    Passing on your hard earned knowledge is a duty, and it benefits everyone not just those you pass it to. Like many duties, it is not always pleasant. But it can be and often is very satisfying nevertheless. Like so much in life, the rewards of completing this difficult task are so much more than they initially seem and are definitely worth the effort.


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  14. Am I being too harsh? I actually want nothing to do with people like them. I find them dangerous, I find them utterly hypocritical but the worst thing is that I find them DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

    No. No you’re not.

    Spawned by the system they so fervently decry, there is no self awareness or gratitude. Just a brain dead self loathing.
    It’s not like they barrack for another footy team, no, they barrack for another ideology and most don’t even know they do.

    It’s hard work coming up against them socially.


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  15. For as long as I can remember a staple of Marxist pamphleteering has been photos of anaemic looking women, faces contorted in rage, that seem to be preoccupied with punching the air immediately above their heads. This must bespeak a deeper truth but I’m not sharp enough to divine the meaning.


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  16. “Muzsays:
    January 7, 2022 at 9:56 am
    Cassie 8.48am:
    She is my only daughter and lives in LA and Austin. She is a redhead. She is incapable of debate. I love her with all my heart.”

    I understand that.


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  17. “It’s hard work coming up against them socially.”

    Correct. Here’s an example, I stopped speaking to the anti-Adani protester when I found out what this person did. Please also note that this young person wasn’t eighteen…..this person was in their mid 20s when they decided to break the law. I refuse to waste my breath on this person. This person got off with a light fine……whereas as far as I’m concerned this person should have been jailed. This is a young person who’s grown up in considerable comfort and affluence in one of this country’s wealthiest suburbs yet is trying to prevent working men and women in QLD accessing jobs. This person is scum.


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  18. “Correct. Here’s an example … This person is scum.”

    Would you give up on someone you care about because they were sick? Alcoholic? Drug addict? Criminal? Sure, you’d disapprove of their actions, but give up on them? Not if you loved them, surely.
    It is both hard and easy to give up on them.
    It is both hard and easy not to.
    Your choice.
    Consider what that choice it says about you before you make it – you will have to live with that choice as much as they do.


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  19. Cassie

    This friend has many nieces and nephews and they have all had the same incredibly privileged lives, all attended private schools and they’re ALL woke…bar one. One even got arrested at an anti-Adani demo a few years ago (it’s never stopped him (pre-Covid) from travelling overseas two or three times a year).

    I’ve said it before, but will bore you with it again.

    Only the rich can afford to be socialists (or wokesters).


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  20. “Consider what that choice it says about you before you make it – you will have to live with that choice as much as they do.”

    Kneel, this person is NOT family. I would engage/converse/dispute/argue/debate/discuss if this person was family. This person is not. So I have made a choice to studiously ignore this piece of shit.


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  21. “the death of late stage capitalism”

    The people that spruik this bullshit should be asked what comes after?

    A sharp decline in their living standards.

    That’s the second major flaw in Marxism – for all its talk about redistributing wealth it doesn’t know how to create wealth.

    Its major flaw is its belief that human society is perfectible.

    I scanned the jam packed conference program – there’s some old fashioned, hard core Marxism in there: why the working class is the revolutionary class; why socialism cannot be achieved through parliaments; the importance of trade unionism and so on.

    Interesting that these old themes are making a come back. Sometimes history does repeat, at least at Marxist conferences. The list of presenters is presently down.


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  22. “Kneel, this person is NOT family.”

    Then perhaps the downside for you is not as much.
    But should I play devil’s advocate, does this matter? Forgiving your enemies is of course much harder than forgiving your friends.

    If you give up, you have admitted defeat. Are you happy with being defeated?

    “We shall fight them on the beaches… we shall never surrender.” The battle of ideas is prelude to kinetic battle with all its horrors. If you admit defeat on the former, have you given your permission for the latter?

    Again, a devil’s advocate position. I am likely wrong (I often am). But IMO it never hurts to consider such things.
    “It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game.”
    “The only winning strategy is not to play.”
    etc.

    Sometimes, such ponderings produce wisdom. I hope you find such wisdom – it is not easy to find!


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  23. FMD. I thought Ronald Reagan and I (please forgive me if I have forgotten countless others) won the Cold War.
    If the Reds do get up I am happy enough to be helpful liquidating the useful idiots.


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  24. ALP’s Jim Chalmers referring to people scouring empty supermarket shelves as “the hunger games”.

    Yes, that’s the way to reinforce the fraying social fabric, Jim.

    Touted as a successor to Albo, he is.


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  25. “I thought Ronald Reagan and I (please forgive me if I have forgotten countless others) won the Cold War.”

    They snuck in to the education industry and white-anted the next generations with their red-conning of history.
    On the plus side, they appear to have been a little too over-confident and gone too far too soon. Time will tell…


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  26. I think we on the right have been way too tolerant of the progressive left and its excesses. It doesn’t help that we here in Oz, actually this applies across the west (the USA did experience a brief shining moment where they had a POTUS who pushed back but he’s gone) elect spineless craven supine politicians on the right who do and say nothing to counteract the left’s mantras. The only politicians here in Oz are as follows…

    Pauline Hanson
    Malcolm Roberts
    Mark Latham
    Craig Kelly
    George Christensen
    Claire Chandler
    Gerard Rennick
    Eric Abetz

    Maybe there’s one or two more. I used to think Amanda Stoker had some courage but I now think not.


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  27. It’s funny people melt down over Pauline Hanson as a evil right wing etc. The big thing is her party is nationalist rather than selling out Australia to the rest of the world. Beyond that, most of the policies I’ve seen from them would not have been out of place for the Labor party of years ago.


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  28. Will the speakers be named and shamed, as if it was a conservative, right wing, or even (shock! horror) an ACL conference?
    Somehow I doubt it.
    I remember the attacks (by the likes of KKK) on Tony Abbott for daring to speak at a conservative conference in London.


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  29. Will the speakers be named…

    And will they be chased by the Feds and required to sign documents asserting to being agents of foreign influence, like Tony Abbot?


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  30. “Will the speakers be named and shamed…”
    “…will they be chased by the Feds …”

    Bwahahaha!

    PS – I have a bridge for sale, good toll income, stunning harbour views, hurry won’t last at this price!


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  31. Cassie:

    Am I being too harsh? I actually want nothing to do with people like them. I find them dangerous, I find them utterly hypocritical but the worst thing is that I find them DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

    “Am I being too harsh?” Bwahahaha!
    Life and reality will be a lot harsher, Cassie.
    Santayana was right.


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  32. Roger says:
    January 7, 2022 at 10:37 am

    I scanned the jam packed conference program – there’s some old fashioned, hard core Marxism in there: why the working class is the revolutionary class; why socialism cannot be achieved through parliaments; the importance of trade unionism and so on.

    The international labour movement is now just another appendage of the Frankenstein monster run by the World Economic Forum. It dawned on the working people rather late unfortunately that their advocates had sold them out, you can appreciate their rage and anger at the CFMEU office in Melbourne last year.


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  33. Cassie:

    Cassie, you surely learned your attitudes and beliefs from someone – you would repay those poorly if you did not even try to educate the youngsters. That is a debt you owe your teachers. You might not succeed, but that is irrelevant – it is the attempt that matters.

    Something I have done is to challenge them to a reading test.
    I will read a book you choose and answer questions from it. You must do the same.
    Last time I chose “A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch.” I’ve forgotten what I was made to read it was that forgettable.


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  34. This is one of two things:

    1. Telegraphed intent from the Vic government that the current shitshow will end, thus allowing the event to proceed; or
    2. Tearing down the last pretence that it’s not a multi-tiered society to be praised by the plebs on a daily basis, else face further ruination.

    Yes I am cognisant of the fashionable BLM rallies in Mongyang last year. I am also unsure that the non-communist portion of society (an apparent minority, according to Andrews) will accommodate such a state of affairs again.


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  35. Blueysays:
    January 7, 2022 at 11:19 am
    It’s funny people melt down over Pauline Hanson as a evil right wing etc. The big thing is her party is nationalist rather than selling out Australia to the rest of the world. Beyond that, most of the policies I’ve seen from them would not have been out of place for the Labor party of years ago.

    Remember that she was elected comfortably in a hard wired ALP seat formerly held for years by Bill Hayden.

    The Liars and MSM (BIRM) then spent years screeching that she was elected by a bunch of white supremacist bigots from the Liberal Party, which hadn’t come within cooee of winning the seat previously.

    Hanson is old time Labor writ large, when it was the party of the rural and urban working classes and small business people (like fish and chip shop owners).


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  36. a staple of Marxist pamphleteering has been photos of anaemic looking women, faces contorted in rage, that seem to be preoccupied with punching the air…

    They should do it with skeletons. Late stage Marxism.


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  37. “Will the speakers be named and shamed, as if it was a conservative, right wing, or even (shock! horror) an ACL conference?
    Somehow I doubt it.
    I remember the attacks (by the likes of KKK) on Tony Abbott for daring to speak at a conservative conference in London.”

    This is a classic example of what I wrote above…..how our right of centre politicians (and many right of centre commentators) are utterly useless. They are spineless, craven, supine, quisling politicians don’t refuse to fight…and that includes Abbott.

    I can’t say it often enough……..turning the other cheek does not work.


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  38. Hanson is old time Labor writ large, when it was the party of the rural and urban working classes and small business people (like fish and chip shop owners).

    Forgot to add, that is why the so-called “progressives” who now infest the ALP hate her so much. She reminds them of what they have destroyed in the name of political ambition.


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  39. ? I actually want nothing to do with people like them. I find them dangerous, I find them utterly hypocritical but the worst thing is that I find them DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

    It’s the terminal dumb that rules me up every single time. There is no excuse for it unless your IQ is in single digits.


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  40. So marxismconference.org links to stuff mostly at redflag.org.au

    (aside – why isn’t there a .idiot.au domain ?)

    this as an unintentionally funny conclusion.

    One thing we can say is that every strategy for establishing an egalitarian society that was not oriented to a revolutionary overthrow of capitalism ultimately failed.

    why would that be, idiot?


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  41. Boambee Johnsays:
    January 7, 2022 at 12:17 pm
    Hanson is old time Labor writ large, when it was the party of the rural and urban working classes and small business people (like fish and chip shop owners).

    Forgot to add, that is why the so-called “progressives” who now infest the ALP hate her so much. She reminds them of what they have destroyed in the name of political ambition.

    And this is one of the reasons the federal election is going to be very interesting. I suspect quite a few of the rusted on Labor voters, like trades, have finally had it smashed into their heads what modern Labor are, and will be looking for an alternative.
    Thanks big ears!


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  42. +100. Of course, bequeathing the family’s hard earned wealth via inheritance is such an inequitable, capitalist concept our progressive youth would want no part of…


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  43. Forgot to add, that is why the so-called “progressives” who now infest the ALP hate her so much. She reminds them of what they have destroyed in the name of political ambition.

    I think that they are the types that Kim Beazley Sr. warned against just over fifty years ago, and were just starting to infest the Labor Party at that time.


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  44. I suspect quite a few of the rusted on Labor voters, like trades, have finally had it smashed into their heads what modern Labor are, and will be looking for an alternative.

    Like the coal miners in 2019.


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  45. They all make me feel physically sick and I just ignore them. Am I being too harsh? I actually want nothing to do with people like them. I find them dangerous, I find them utterly hypocritical but the worst thing is that I find them DUMB, DUMB, DUMB.

    Associating with the stupid is bad for your health. Don’t do it.


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  46. The people that spruik this bullshit should be asked what comes after?

    If you ask them they will vomit up some ridiculous utopia which happens to precisely coincide with contemporary ostensive aspirations. A society where the different identities in identity politics are all in some perfect bloom and and never in conflict – the bepaunched straggle-haired man in Lolita costume and the burqa clad chattel, straited in her father’s, brother’s and son’s religious bindings, would beam bovine like on expanive lawns with windmills spinning soporifically in the distance at how happy and in harmony they are.

    Forty years ago utopia would have had only atheist heterosexuals living in mansions with every species of material wealth known to homo sapiens jostling for their attention, with gleaming factories pumping out goods like revolution-borne cornucopia.

    In 1917 Russia the marxist promise was plenty of food and tractors as far as the eye could see. By the end of the USSR the promise was more or less the same – and still unfulfilled.

    They d0n’t promise according to their system of thought. Like underpants gnomes they think you implement marxism, there is an indistinct intermediate stage of some sort, and desirable results appear.


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  47. The problems in capitalism today are not problems of capitalism.

    Capitalism maximises efficiency. Look around you and ask what it would have taken earlier ages to produce what you see. Just consider how much effort it would have taken to produce a loaf of bread to you. How many men it would have taken in Roman times, working with hoes and baskets and oxen and sickles, just to produce the wheat. Then there would be more winnowing the grain and milling the flower with giant stones. Then there would be battalions transporting the flour to a bakery, supplying fuel to the ovens, kneading, baking, taking it to shops, staffing the shops, and finally selling to us.

    Now consider how many are involved now.

    Machinery, energy, ingenuity on processes, confidence in agreements, and so on means we pay for a shedload* less labour and the amortised cost of machines.

    How much are we saving?

    And this happens in every avenue of production. We have discovered entire new processes that would otherwise have been unimaginable. No Roman would have imagined a mobile phone. They might have imagined speaking to people far away, but watching a movie, sending a photo, topping up a credit card?

    The left has at every turn done what they could to undermine and destroy efficiency. The unions demanded industrial processes be sclerotic. Demanding higher cost per unit of production while resisting corresponding increases in productivity. Now the greenies have picked up up the baton they are lumbering us with expensive energy, putting resources beyond our reach, and whispering in everyone’s ear that the person they used to cooperate with – above and below them in an orginisation – is conspiring to get them.

    The only sense in which it can be said that capitalism is destroying itself is that capitalism provides the excess wealth for irrelevant ingrates with a god complex to formulate excuses to destroy it.

    *Sheds are also cheaper now. Our shedload is probably bigger than the Romans’.


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  48. That poster is so 1970s. I expected to see another one for The Pram Factory nearby.

    Melbourne has always been the biggest breeding ground for Marxists, whether they be Marxist/Leninists, Stalinists, Trots or any of the other splinter groups.

    Some say it dates back to The Split of the 1950s, when most of the communists were thrown out of the NSW Labor Party, but many remained in Victoria. As a result, the commos always had a much bigger power base through Labor and the unions in Victoriastan.

    Whatever the reason, (and there is a not incompatible theory about the primacy of the dollar in the Emerald City) it is not surprising that this conference is being held where it is.

    A few years ago I dropped in to see an old Uni friend in Melbourne.

    Her latest news was how much she was enjoying her Marxist Discussion group. She’s always been a leftie, but this was a new low.

    The conversation petered out after that.


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  49. This video came up in my youtube feed. I looked as it’s only 5min, he says he’s a professor and believes that all profit is theft from the working person. If the kids or their teachers watch and believe crap like this we’re doomed.

    Why wouldn’t the kids, when the Teachers Principals do:

    1735099
    #1032097, posted on October 11, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Profits are made via charging more than it costs to manufacture products or services.
    Consumers are overcharged; employees are underpaid.
    Profits are the essence of unfair transactions.
    Riches cannot be made fairly.
    Wealth is created via unfair exchanges.



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  50. Actually, I should also have pointed out the genius in discovering where a process can be made more efficient by adding a step – the man who builds a car instead designing a machine that builds the car.

    Further, I was always struck by the way culture in the USSR seemed to freeze in 1917. Even in the 70’s their great exports were ballet and the Moscow Circus.


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  51. I had no real problem with anything to do with a workers’ movement and the striving for workers’ rights, conditions, pay. It came to pass very quickly though, in Melbourne at least, that elements in the working class struggle represented at Trades Hall were increasingly about being trendy on the one hand and, on the other hand, practising some mock version of the sacred by supporting select and noble causes.


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  52. Her latest news was how much she was enjoying her Marxist Discussion group.

    Marxism is like Dungeons and Dragons. It is a fanciful world with all manner of rules (How many life points does an orc get if it kills an elf? How far is revolution progressed by collectivising a coffee shop?), and a strange language all the initiates are fine with but which is uninteresting arcana to everyone else. Put to marxists in a room with other people and by the end of the night there will still be just the two of them – arguing pointed commissar hats or whether factory foremen are elves or trolls. Little pockets of alternative reality in our midst.


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  53. @ Lee:

    “I think that they are the types that Kim Beazley Sr. warned against just over fifty years ago, and were just starting to infest the Labor Party at that time.”

    Something about the ALP / “Labour movement” transition from “the cream of the working class to the scum of the middle class”, as I recall.

    But, I suspect he was being WAY too generous all ’round.

    The “sacred” working class was pretty much shattered by the First World War, the tree of knowledge and the shearer’s strikes were a bit askew, thus the academics and manipulators who had been sniffing around in the early 2oth Century and who read the tea-leaves cast by the Russian revolution, stepped up to take a control they have NEVER since relinquished.

    The industrial unions behaviour during the Second Great Unpleasantness, sealed the deal. Along with a whole new generation of leaders and “prominent” characters who had an unfortunate enthusiasm for the Stalinist model, eventually followed by the current wave who are straight-up corporate statists, not unlike prominent political players of 1930’s central Europe.

    Yet, these types STILL wrap themselves in the Eureka flag.


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  54. Late stage capitalism is the orgasmic dream of deluded Marxists.

    Any day now will begin the workers paradise, where all are equally miserable except the sociopaths.

    No fucking way that would ever go unpunished in my house.


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  55. “Any day now will begin the workers paradise,…”

    Rejoice brother – that bastion of the bourgeois capitalist pigs, the (Dis)United States of America and it’s fairly and democratically elected President are on the path to glorious equality equity as the science of socialism predicts!
    Don’t deny The Science!


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  56. Marxism, socialism, communism…

    They all seem to attract such ugly, shouty, dictatorial people.

    That poster simply advertises the fact that angry, shouty is the very sort of person they want to attract.


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