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PeterW
PeterW
February 28, 2022 4:50 pm

I would expect that in the normal course of events, the country that has NOT invaded its neighbour, would get the benefit of the doubt over the one that HAS.

I also suspect that the majority giving Putin a free pass , are also those who are most vocally indignant about the “WMDs in Iraq” justification for Gulf-War2…… mostly in hindsight.

Let us return to the well established criteria for Just War. One of which is that war is only justified if it is clearly and obviously engaged in to prevent something worse. Was the Ukraine about to invade Russia? Not likely.
Was NATO about to invade Russia? You have to be joking.

American political meddling in Ukraine – to the extent that it exists – is a matter for the Ukrainian people. Putin is no liberator.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
February 28, 2022 5:01 pm

Mindless drones. Hammer, nail, head.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 28, 2022 5:02 pm

On the one hand yes clearly there’s a horde of NPCs supporting Ukraine.

On the other hand Ukraine is a smallish country that has been invaded by a large country, and the large country breached at least one treaty in order to do so. So count me in the third category even though I’ve never used a QR code in my life.

It is though a problem of backing the least stinky shirt, and both sides’ shirts are pretty stinky.

calli
calli
February 28, 2022 5:16 pm

I’m not “backing” either of the buggers.

I’m sick and tired of media maggots telling me what to think.

And I am horrified that our stupid government has bought into any of it.

Chris
Chris
February 28, 2022 5:20 pm

I’m sick and tired of media maggots telling me what to think.

Calli wins the internet for the last 25 years.

JC
JC
February 28, 2022 5:21 pm

Which journalists are telling you what to think, Calli?

calli
calli
February 28, 2022 5:29 pm

How long is a road?

Cassie of Sydney
February 28, 2022 5:30 pm

“callisays:
February 28, 2022 at 5:16 pm
I’m not “backing” either of the buggers.

I’m sick and tired of media maggots telling me what to think.

And I am horrified that our stupid government has bought into any of it.”

Well said Calli. I am furious.

As for our current clown of a PM, he thinks he can win an election by waving a stick around. He’s a joke.

I remember Afghanistan, I remember Iraq, I remember Libya.

I REMEMBER THE LIES, LIES, LIES….and who remembers the non-existent “weapons of mass destruction”?

I remember how the Obama administration sent money to Iran…and turned its back on the sole democracy in the middle east. And we have an administration under Joe the Sniffer who’s sending money to Iran again….coz…you know…the Iran deal is back on.

Iran will shortly have nukes.

The west, particularly the US, no longer has any moral authority……particularly how it’s treated its own citizens over the last two years.

JC
JC
February 28, 2022 5:34 pm

calli says:
February 28, 2022 at 5:29 pm

How long is a road?

Tell us the name of the road and I can pretty much tell you then length. What journalists are telling you what to think?

You maybe confusing the reporting of the blatant invasion with your bias in support of the Kremlin pig. Is that it?

calli
calli
February 28, 2022 5:44 pm

You maybe confusing the reporting of the blatant invasion with your bias in support of the Kremlin pig. Is that it?

I don’t support Putin.

Where did you get that idea?

duncanm
duncanm
February 28, 2022 5:45 pm

JC – there is zero analysis of the Russia/Ukraine situation in the (MS) media.

Surely even you can see that

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
February 28, 2022 5:57 pm

The three memes
Black Lives Splatter
Hide ya face
Go fly a flag

Drax
Drax
February 28, 2022 6:17 pm

And I am horrified that our stupid government has bought into any of it.

There are people in Australia who have fled from countries which have been occupied by or threatened by Russia and there’s a federal election coming on. What else do you expect? ScoMo will do the least he can get away with. The best coverage of the Ukraine situation I have seen, with a variety of commentary is by the BBC. Not that I’m a lover of that organisation.

PeterW
PeterW
February 28, 2022 6:23 pm

For all we criticise the Left for their GroupThink, GroupIdentity and GroupHate, we need to watch ourselves…
Need we practice guilt-by-association?

It is the people of Ukraine who are suffering, many of them innocent…. not some amorphous entity. Their government may or may not be corrupt – I think many of ours certainly are and Russia’s more than most, but two wrongs do not make a right.

Passivity is not a virtue.

PeterW
PeterW
February 28, 2022 6:27 pm

It seems to me that much of the debate over Ukraine is like our problem with Police.

Our Police Forces have shown themselves to be corrupt and criminally violent. Does that mean that we side with criminals against the Police?

Or do we accept the responsibility to do whatever it takes to reform our Police and Government, even if it is likely to take generations?

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
February 28, 2022 7:06 pm

Side with the Ukraine but Obama, Merkel, Trudeau, Macro, Adhern are sick. What Merkel has done to Europe’s states is no so much different. Death by axphixiation.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 28, 2022 7:36 pm

On the other hand Ukraine is a smallish country

It’s the size of France, has 45 million people.
It’s a large-ish Country.

that has been invaded by a large country,

Population density of Russia=9/ sq. k.
Population density of Ukraine=75/sq. k.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 28, 2022 7:38 pm

It seems to me that much of the debate over Ukraine is like our problem with Police.

Only if you’re smoking Banana peel.

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
February 28, 2022 7:43 pm

For all we criticise the Left for their GroupThink, GroupIdentity and GroupHate, we need to watch ourselves…

PeterW, it is the left that are supporting Ukraine. Yes, let’s criticise them again for their GroupThink in blindly supporting what all the celebrities, MSM, politicians and elite and telling them to support.
This is another spell, just like Climate Change and Covid, it is obvious to those that want to seek the truth.
Russia did not attack Ukraine unprovoked:
– continued and consistent bombing of the Donbass.
– agreement to expand NATO into Ukraine (a la Cuban Missile Crisis).
– demonization of Russian people living in Ukraine.

Just think back to the puppet state (led by a Jewish Comedian no less) that was put in place after the trumped up 2014 coup.

You cannot play by the rules of gentlemen when the other side is led by the devil.

I can only hope that the good people of Ukraine are protected, however since their government is handing out weapons to civilians like candy it is pretty clear that Zelensky and his supporters want a bloodbath of their own civilians.

Living the dream
Living the dream
February 28, 2022 8:01 pm

Virtually no one on this thread sees any fault in Putin’s attack on Ukraine. None of you deserves the liberty you so claim to crave (for yourselves). Ukrainians are dying for theirs.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 28, 2022 8:04 pm

Correct.
Russia has kept it’s battle hardened troops in reserve.
Zelenskiy emptied the prisons before he fled and handed out automatic weapons, so the situation in the cities now resembles the BLM riots of 2020 in the US.
The only difference?
Putin ain’t Trump.

duncanm
duncanm
February 28, 2022 8:34 pm

Living the dreamsays:
February 28, 2022 at 8:01 pm
Virtually no one on this thread sees any fault in Putin’s attack on Ukraine.

Hardly.

But I like to think I’m cluey enough to know what I don’t know and the MSM line of this being a completely unprovoked aggression by Putin is horse hockey.

It’s not a one-sided argument, either way.

Twostix
Twostix
February 28, 2022 8:42 pm

None of you deserves the liberty you so claim to crave (for yourselves). Ukrainians are dying for theirs.

A quarter of the people trapped in the fake country of Ukraine are Russians and have been fighting ( mostly dying) for their liberty for eight years now.

You didn’t give a shit about them.

Twostix
Twostix
February 28, 2022 8:46 pm

If China backed a coup and installed a puppet government in NZ and started building up a vast military presence there for the explicit purpose of encircling Australia, apparently some bozos would be all ‘Australia has no business getting involved in that’.

Painful stuff.

Bluey
Bluey
February 28, 2022 8:48 pm

Living the dreamsays:
February 28, 2022 at 8:01 pm
Virtually no one on this thread sees any fault in Putin’s attack on Ukraine. None of you deserves the liberty you so claim to crave (for yourselves). Ukrainians are dying for theirs.

I don’t recall having seen you post anything other than Russia bad and telling people they support Putin for disagreeing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 28, 2022 8:55 pm

Dick Ed

Only if you’re smoking Banana peel.

Are you really old enough to remember Mellow Yellow?

Cassie of Sydney
February 28, 2022 8:57 pm

.”You didn’t give a shit about them.”

Of course not, all depends on the narrative.

Living the dream doesn’t give a rat’s arse about freedom.

rickw
rickw
February 28, 2022 8:58 pm

Why are police offers behaving so disgracefully? They enjoy it! The benefit of recruiting the right sort on Mong to wear your jackboots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDk9UbAIQAA

rickw
rickw
February 28, 2022 9:01 pm

If China backed a coup and installed a puppet government in NZ and started building up a vast military presence there for the explicit purpose of encircling Australia

In PNG’s future, fortunately for Australia they’re quite ungovernable.

rickw
rickw
February 28, 2022 9:03 pm

Virtually no one on this thread sees any fault in Putin’s attack on Ukraine

I characterised the conflict as baddies versus idiots.

Dot
Dot
February 28, 2022 9:11 pm

A quarter of the people trapped in the fake country of Ukraine

What!?

The WHOLE country is fake? You really are a stupid motherfucker aren’t you?

Keep on sucking Putin’s cock if it makes you happy, and fantasising about how EEEVILL! libertarians want to “destroy nations!

You hysterical little bitch.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
February 28, 2022 9:28 pm

Passivity is not a virtue.

Not giving a fying fluck about the lies and propaganda pumped out by both sides at least keeps one sane.

I’m with calli, only moreso.

PeterW
PeterW
February 28, 2022 9:57 pm

Before you talk about sanity, ask yourself whether the same attitude that has brought down most civilsations, is going to preserve this one. Passive civilisations crumble before active barbarians.

Whining about the press lying is just an excuse. You have the same principles and understanding of human nature that built the best societies ever seen. You have better access to more sources of information than any previous generation, and you sit there whining?

The leftist MO has been to try to destroy our trust in our ability to make a difference. You are waving the white flag.

Peter
Peter
February 28, 2022 10:06 pm

If China backed a coup and installed a puppet government in NZ and started building up a vast military presence there for the explicit purpose of encircling Australia,

Surely you aren’t pretending that Russia is “encircled”. The vast majority of NATO can’t be bothered spending enough money to defend themselves, let alone be a threat to Russia mitarily. Economically, they have been flat out financing the Russian military by buying energy that is too “dirty” for them to produce themselves.

Biden’s America has gone down the same track.

The idea that Russia is seriously feeling threatened is laughable. If they did feel threatened, the Russian army would be bunkered down in defensive positions along the Polish Border.

another ian
another ian
February 28, 2022 10:21 pm

“Get Your Program! Can’t Tell The Globalist Players Without A Program!”

Chiefio’s form guide to players in “The Great Reset” that should be on your “vote no” list

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2022/02/27/get-your-program-cant-tell-the-globalist-players-without-a-program/

IMO this complements

“Mark Dolan: Those who run our society need to wake up, not woke up”

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/mark-dolan-those-who-run-our-society-need-to-wake-up-not-woke-up/235969

Remember – “If you don’t trust the government you are no longer a conspiracy theorist – you are a history buff”

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
February 28, 2022 10:33 pm

Long history. Long culture. Deep subtle reaches of identity.

England, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand we are one people – we know that and we can still recognise it.

The central core of western Europe – France, Germany, Netherlands were one people of the Holy Roman Empire under Charlemagne – now the core drivers of the autocratic imperialist EU.

Eastern Europe – Belarus, Ukraine, Russia were one people of the Slavic Byzantine Orthodox Church under Vladimir the Great, the Grand Prince of Kievan Rus only a milennia ago, with later wrangling under Bohdan Khmelnytsky in the mid 1600s. This isn’t only a post cold war conflict over red lines about Nato.

In this age where the left lauds identity categorisation, they don’t understand their concepts of identity are superficial.

MatrixTransform
February 28, 2022 11:34 pm

Why are police offers behaving so disgracefully?

because they’ve been given explicit permission to do so.

same as Ukraine.

Russia’s had a fucking gutful of their bullshit

MatrixTransform
February 28, 2022 11:41 pm

Whining about the press lying is just an excuse. You have the same principles and understanding of human nature that built the best societies ever seen. You have better access to more sources of information than any previous generation, and you sit there whining?

I find this particularly silly

… of course yr gonna bitch and moan while I shoot at you

shatterzzz
March 1, 2022 5:04 am

I’m still wondering why we can be bombarded daily, by thousands of selfies/tik toks/twitter videos on any and all subjects yet other than lotza blacks weeping on railway stations Ukraine seems to be out of the tried & trusty phone pix loop .. it’s a mystery, a mystery I tellz ya!

PeterW
PeterW
March 1, 2022 6:44 am

That doesn’t make any sense. On the one hand, we are told that these states are falling over themselves to get into NATOs protective umbrella because of the terrible Russians. On the other hand we are told that NATO represents no threat to Russia because they can’t even defend themselves. Dear oh dear.

Don’t pretend that there is no difference between offence and defence. No difference between aggression and self-defence.

NATO is, and always has been, a defensive alliance against aggressors. At the moment, it is not even a particularly good deterrent, but it is better than being a small country facing a large, aggressive one with no backup whatsoever, as we are seeing right now.

Have you forgotten that the the onus is on the attacker/invader to prove that they are responding to a clear, obvious and lethal threat? Your response reminds me of nothing so much as an attempt to claim that there is no moral difference between a rapist and his victim, because the victim somehow “asked for it”.

Those who are claiming that “The West” has no moral standing are showining us exactly WHY that is the case…. they have forgotten the basic principles of justice and the responsibility to stand by them.

PeterW
PeterW
March 1, 2022 6:49 am

I find this particularly silly

… of course yr gonna bitch and moan while I shoot at you

The relevance is not exactly clear.
My comment was in regard to people bitching and doing nothing, when they have obvious alternatives.

As example, if you were shooting at me, I would be shooting back…..and you wouldn’t like that.

Living the dream
Living the dream
March 1, 2022 7:30 am

Cassie “I choose Putin” knows who cares about freedom. Choke on it, sweetie.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 7:31 am

“In this age where the left lauds identity categorisation, they don’t understand their concepts of identity are superficial.”

The left have no knowledge of history.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 7:34 am

“Living the dreamsays:
March 1, 2022 at 7:30 am
Cassie “I choose Putin” knows who cares about freedom. Choke on it, sweetie.”

Oh look who’s here…..up early. Bobby the Bore (your use of the word “sweetie” confirms it). You’re so predictable. It’s cretins like you who are destroying the west.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 7:35 am

“As example, if you were shooting at me, I would be shooting back…..and you wouldn’t like that.”

The left don’t like it when Israel shoots back. Their outrage is always selective….just depends on the narrative.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
March 1, 2022 7:43 am

Living the dream‘s dream seems to be a nightmare – go back to sleep for a re-set.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 7:45 am

So next time Hamas and Hezbollah lob rockets into Israel, “Living the dream” will support an appropriate response from Israel.

Surely yes……what was that about choking?

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
March 1, 2022 8:24 am

If you want to know the truth on why Russia are actually the good guys and the Zelensky puppet government and the rest of the western elite are the bad guys you need to understand recent history.
Read this if you’re interested in learning more;
https://barnesreview.org/the-donbass-rebellion-and-the-political-idea-of-novorossiya/

Dot
Dot
March 1, 2022 8:36 am

Garbage.

PeterW
PeterW
March 1, 2022 9:10 am

Dredd….

Citing a holocaust-denial website is not a good way to make your case.

Kneel
Kneel
March 1, 2022 9:31 am

Putin and Russia have been complaining for 8 years about ethnic Russians being treated badly by Ukrainians (“Russian Lives Matter”, perhaps?)
Also about the US Left funded revolution that ousted a democratically elected (pro-Russian) leader. (“We must defend Democracy!”)
The US in particular (aided by the EU) refused to say Ukraine would not be entering NATO (Cuban missile crisis anyone?).
Same actors pumped up the Ukrainians saying “We will defend you”, but when push comes to shove, they sit on the sidelines and use ineffective “sanctions” against Russia, but not in the energy sector where it could do the most damage to Russia – the EU is dependent on Russia for about half its gas, and the US is buying about half a million barrels of oil a day from Russia, both could have been “bypassed” or “worked around” if the US had kept its energy independence instead of going full-moron green and outsourcing their “emissions” and manufacturing overseas.

Clinton/Obama both sold US strategic uranium reserve to a Russian company, and created a tech transfer company to gave Russia hypersonic missile tech.
Biden is neck deep in Ukrainian corruption, and admitted to a quid pro quo on tape.
They all increased their own wealth massively with such bribery and corruption, yet Trump – who lost money while president, and until COVID hit gave the US the best economy it has had for decades as well as energy independence and record low illegal immigration – is the one impeached.

The MSM propaganda/lies are astounding re Ukraine – eg, Snake Island “F*ck you Russian warship” followed by grisly death defending to the last looks like a lie, and they surrendered.
Russian media (RT) attacked and hidden from westerners on their “normal” channels – OK, so maybe they are Russian propaganda, but you really think the west is any better? If you can’t see both sides, you will be biased in your assessment, if you don’t know what the other side thinks and wants how can it end in any other way than war?
Why does our “elite” want war with Russia? A distraction from our own problems?
What happened to cultural/racial sensitivity and listening to the “other side” to get some sort of compromise?
The whole thing stinks to high heaven and anyone who dares to look will find it so. If you want to swallow the propaganda that one democracy is bad (Russia) while the other (US) is good, or that one is corrupt while the other is squeaky clean you are a “useful idiot” and a pawn in the games that enrich the elite to the detriment of all others – preferably overseas (Ukraine) rather than domestically, but needs must, eh?

johanna
johanna
March 1, 2022 9:52 am

Yep, the ‘plucky little Ukraine’ vs ‘Big Bad Wussia’ narrative being pushed as the latest cover for things that really matter is nauseating. COVID is waning, so a new scare story is needed to flood the MSM with bullshit.

Like calli and many others, I am in a blizzard of propaganda from both sides and don’t believe any of it. A lot of it has already been proved to be straightout lying, on both sides.

For two years now discussion and reporting on issues that are important has been suspended because the lazy stenographers could use government press releases and media events, interspersed with ‘human interest ‘ stories, as a substitute for doing their jobs.

Now, they have been saved by the bell once again. They are experts on a place they would not have been able to find on a marked map a year ago.

CNN and others have openly admitted that they are using social media for source material, because they have nothing else to go on.

What a farce.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2022 10:20 am

PeterW try to get grip.
your whacky analogies fail
they’re all backwards.

doubtless, you claim to represent Ukraine and truth and light,
nonetheless it is still Russia shooting at you
and you’re trying shoot back and you’re shit at it
and you’re whining the whole time
can’t work out why?
how coy

your self righteous moral outrage is little more that a post hoc confection
now fuck off back over the river and shut the fuck up

Dot
Dot
March 1, 2022 10:21 am

you claim to represent Ukraine and truth and light

I don’t think anyone is claiming that at all.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2022 10:35 am

don’t think anyone is claiming that at all

then what are all the analogies for ?

if PeterW wants to make a point they should stop talking in riddles

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
March 1, 2022 11:35 am

I find it interesting that many Ukraine elite sympathetics and Western elite sympathetics (but I repeat myself) have suddenly appeared in this blog-site than COVID sympathetics during the height of COVID hysteria.
Yet it is easier to find the truth on the Ukraine situation than on COVID.
Is this an indication of the level of desperation on the part of the globohomo elites in activating all bots/shills/sympathetics to the cause of upholding the narrative?
In any case it does not matter as the truth needs merely to wait to see the light of day, and the more shrieks of “Putin BAD MAN!” just adds more weight to actual truth.

Living the dream
Living the dream
March 1, 2022 2:59 pm

Cassie: it’s people of your ilk who are undermining societies. People who choose lies, prefer brutality, impose their own prejudices as a “liberty” and who opt always for fakers and despots of the least merit as their icon.
Above all, you diminish in this case the reasonable rights of Ukrainians to enjoy their liberty for the sole purpose of exercising your ridiculous preference for Putin. Why? Because the “West” is in your tiny mind deficient – evidently because it doesn’t comply with your rules.
It’s fairly clear now that Putin has brought on the destruction of his own power base because normal humans are appalled and force governments to act. In countries outside Russia where free expression is the norm, people are outraged and governments are acting. Your idol is screwed. And the LOTUS is looking like he, too, is on the slide to whence he came.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 3:08 pm

“Cassie: it’s people of your ilk who are undermining societies.”

I doubt that very much “sweetie”.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 1, 2022 3:30 pm

Cassie: it’s people of your ilk who are undermining societies. People who choose lies, prefer brutality, impose their own prejudices as a “liberty” and who opt always for fakers and despots of the least merit as their icon.

The littlest anklebiter goes hard on the projection once again.

Now, littlest anklebiter, if you do not include ‘Rex Anger, ATO Auditor’ in your next attempt to demonstrate your knowledge of fascist policing agencies while denouncing me for kicking you and spoiling your fun, you aren’t serious and GetUp! needs to yank your funding.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 3:31 pm

“People who choose lies, prefer brutality, impose their own prejudices as a “liberty” and who opt always for fakers and despots of the least merit as their icon.
Above all, you diminish in this case the reasonable rights of Ukrainians to enjoy their liberty “

Killing the dream……I do hope you apply the above standards to Israel when it responds to rockets send by a fakers and despots.

Or are you selective when it comes to the reasonable rights of Israelis to enjoy their liberty and safety?

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2022 6:10 pm

it’s people of your ilk who are undermining societies

I think we got ourselves a school-teacher here.

Cassie of Sydney
March 1, 2022 6:23 pm

I think we got ourselves a school-teacher here.”

The one and only.

PeterW
PeterW
March 1, 2022 10:05 pm

If you have countries seeking to join that are next to you or your key strategic interests that is provocative.

Exactly the excuse used by the Germans for starting two world wars.

Since when has wanting to join with your neighbour in self defence, “provoking”? Except to those who think that might makes aggressive right.

Nor are your neighbour’s assets your “key strategic interests”….. that is the same argument used by how many aggressors? Lebensraum, anyone? “”The Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere”?

How many million people died attempting to acquire those “key strategic interests”?

I thought this was a Libertarian blog….. What the hell happened to the Right of the majority of Ukrainians to preserve THEIR “key strategic interests”…. and to do it by making whatever alliances they bloody well deem necessary.

areff
areff
March 1, 2022 10:21 pm

Do I sense Numbers is near?

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2022 10:39 pm

…. and to do it by making whatever alliances they bloody well deem necessary.

If it’s all so fucking self evident then, why are the Russians shooting at you ?

fuck me, you’re one stupid stand-point unit.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 1, 2022 10:43 pm

Cause of the First World War:
France gave Serbia a security guarantee.
Why they did that, no one has ever worked out.
Cause of the Second World War 20 years later:
France gave Poland a Security Guarantee.
Here’s a question for you, Peterw:
Were those Guarantees worth the cost of [at least] 150 million lives?

Gabor
Gabor
March 1, 2022 10:51 pm

Ed Case says:
March 1, 2022 at 10:43 pm

Cause of the First World War:
France gave Serbia a security guarantee.
Why they did that, no one has ever worked out.
Cause of the Second World War 20 years later:
France gave Poland a Security Guarantee.
Here’s a question for you, Peterw:
Were those Guarantees worth the cost of [at least] 150 million lives?

France has a history of giving worthless security guarantees going back to 1848 and earlier.
Sometimes you get it right, Ed Case.
Meddling in others’ affairs, only the US can surpass France.
Despicable lot, both of them.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 1, 2022 10:55 pm

What the hell happened to the Right of the majority of Ukrainians to preserve THEIR “key strategic interests”…. and to do it by making whatever alliances they bloody well deem necessary.

All the people and authority figures they dislike most after the last 2 years taking Ukraine’s side happened. And Ukrainians are thus forever tarred by association.

Like I said on the Weekend Open Thread the other day, supporting the fascism of the fasicsts on one side because you can’t tolerate the fascism of the fascists on your own makes Nuffies out of all of us…

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2022 11:17 pm

learn to understand the difference between ‘peaceful’ and and ‘harmless’

Dot
Dot
March 1, 2022 11:48 pm

CIA coups! Gough Whitlam! Minsk protocols!

The idea that people can’t offend Vladimir Putin or he’ll kill or invade you is precisely why he is in the wrong. It’s absurd to accept that morally and as a practicality.

Why is Eastern Europe – Hungary, Poland, Finland, (formerly neutral) Sweden, Ukraine – all bar crazy Lukashenko led Belarus – asking to join NATO and the EU or turning to Berlin/Brussels?

They’re not doing it out of spite or because they’re secretly run by the US Democratic Party.

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 12:05 am

The idea that people can’t offend Vladimir Putin or he’ll kill or invade you is precisely why he is in the wrong. It’s absurd to accept that morally and as a practicality.

yet the Russians are there.

fuck me … maybe something else is at stake beyond Putin’s ego

are we done yet ascribing childish motivations for mobilizing an army?

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2022 12:26 am

Why right now though?

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 12:27 am

neo-Nazies

national socialists ?

same thing as saying, ‘not Bolshie enough’

somehow though, I can’t help but feel that modern Russia isn’t quite as red as the USSR was

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 12:30 am

Why right now though?

Putin’s speech

they know something that we don’t

and they don’t wanna go there again

this time, we’re the baddies

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2022 12:36 am

America, particularly Biden, do not represent me.

Putin’s speech

they know something that we don’t

and they don’t wanna go there again

Don’t be cryptic. What do they know?

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 12:41 am

What do they know?

they know exactly how pernicious and deadly the ideology is.
they know how corrupt and blind to suffering the bureaucracy is
they know, they lived it

Gabor
Gabor
March 2, 2022 1:01 am

To all who declare their unquestioning support for Ukraine, may I remind you of the appalling way they are treating their sizable minorities?

They were always like this, I never understood why the Chabady Jews are so committed to this land.
Been there too long, I suppose.

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2022 1:05 am

*the ideology*

Which one?

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 1:07 am

*the ideology*

Bolshie

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 1:08 am

go on Dot, dig

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2022 1:12 am

No one is declared “unquestioned support” for Ukraine.

The justification to start a war against Ukraine is facetious at best.

As for their minorities…there are too many problems to solve for any one party. Eastern Europe is not a great place for minorities. How will Russian annexation help?

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2022 1:14 am

So “western” Europe (like Poland and Hungary) is Bolshevist and the former ex KGB guy isn’t?

You’re not making any sense Matrix.

JC
JC
March 2, 2022 1:19 am

somehow though, I can’t help but feel that modern Russia isn’t quite as red as the USSR was

Clearly it’s not. It’s a gangsta run operation these days more along the lines of a fascist state.

Cassie of Sydney
March 2, 2022 7:19 am

“Why is Eastern Europe – Hungary, Poland, Finland, (formerly neutral) Sweden, Ukraine – all bar crazy Lukashenko led Belarus – asking to join NATO and the EU or turning to Berlin/Brussels?”

When did Sweden ask to join NATO?

Living the dream
Living the dream
March 2, 2022 8:41 am

Gabor: a number of the leading Ukrainians in the Orange Revolution and Maidan efforts were prominent Jews, as is Zelensky (whose great grandfather was sole survivor among four siblings during Nazi occupation.) This is a Ukrainian fight, not a Catholic fight or a Jewish fight, in fact many Orthodox believers are lined up with the yellow arm bands. They’ve consistently resisted, with great persistence, the efforts of Putin and his crooks to put the country back to its vassal status.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 2, 2022 11:55 am

When did Sweden ask to join NATO?

Just in the last few days. Ditto Finland.

Living the dream
Living the dream
March 2, 2022 2:48 pm

An interesting issue for Putin is the fact that a majority of Russia’s officer class is Ukrainian. And a high proportion of NCOs and private soldiers are not Russian.
Given that only Armenia of the affiliate states has lined up with Putin (and some, notably Azerbaijan, have given aid to Ukraine), Putin’s ability to pursue attacks on civilians or occupation may become messy.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
March 2, 2022 5:46 pm

I am sorry, Littlest Anklebiter, but your unreferenced spiel is a little bit too far on the Ghost of Kyiv side of of the information Signal:Noise ratio.

Tell GetUp! to find better sources, please.

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2022 7:16 pm

You’re not making any sense Matrix

it is all very Bolshie except by name and I don’t really give a shit if marries with what Lenin wrote back when.

or what the difference was between Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, or between Hitler and Tito.

we are being fucked

BLM and antifa have been marching around for a couple of years
our executive, or at least America’s, seem pretty ok with that
broadly, the west’s politics now have a distinct totalitarian, leftward bent
their fascistic inclinations to cosy up with corporate power are more than disturbing
WEF and pretty much every lesbo-tranny-blue haired gen z just keep pressing for more, more, and more communism

my prediction?

you’ll own nothing and you won’t be happy

… it just started in the Ukraine this time

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