Open Thread – Weekend 26 Mar 2022


Giovannina sitting by the window, Pavel Chistyakov, 1864

1,936 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 26 Mar 2022”

  1. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Oh look. Newbie!

  2. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Could I have 16 000 free upticks, please dover?

  3. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    I’ve given you one, Megan.

  4. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Upticks are earned as a mark of respect from your peers not sucking up to authority. For shame.

    Or just piling on.

  5. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Thank you, Doc, only 15 999 to go on my path to undisputed Uptick Champion 2022. It’s good to set challenging goals.

  6. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    we have an unbeatable winner in the Uptick Stakes!

    Yes Megs, but who’s going to win the figuring out the emoji lingo?

    There’ve been some not so auspicious attempts above, all of which have given me a laugh.

    It only took one “word”* to figure the concept out, peoples.

    You know you want to**. ?

    *Posted here about eight days ago

    **Crank it.

  7. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Oh Bear. How easy it is to misinterpret my humble attempts at fame and fortune. I am suitably disappointed.

  8. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Also wracked with joint pain and unable to sleep so I may be somewhat cognitively impaired.

  9. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Grate – just when you think you’ve mastered emojis, the cantankerous li’l b’stards prove you wrong (again) … 😕

  10. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Thanks Rabz. Completely appropriate for the early morning hours. I was unaware the battlefield had shifter from Uptick Mountain to Emoji Fields.

    I resolve to do better. Maybe

    😉

  11. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Also wracked with joint pain and unable to sleep so I may be …

    … ready to get into a bit o’ this! 🙂

  12. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Shifted…autocorrupt needs to be killed outright.

  13. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    dover0beach says:
    March 25, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    I’m not against a city or town designed around walking and PT but that is only going to work in a space that has medium-density apartments/ townhouses and. Getting around NYC for dinner in PT was never a problem and if you couldn’t be bothered using it to get home or to someone else’s place you got an Uber. But Melbourne is not that city.

    I would, however, like to see something like that tried in a regional town. Three/ four-story townhouses and five/ six story apartments adjacent to the retail/ commercial centre.

    We have that setup in Queanbeyan, dover. It works quite well as far as it goes, but as nobody except the bedridden only visits places within walking distance, everybody who wants one still owns a car or motorbike. I doubt that it has much effect on road traffic volume.

  14. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    I’ve given you a tick in sympathy for your joint pain, Megan. I’d give you more but don’t know how!

  15. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    “Town planning” is an abomination.

    This country is enormous. Continent sized, apparently. On a par with various of our beloved truck driving self proclaimed antidisestablishmentarian heroes’ house sized backsides (allegedly).

    People should not have to exist in “pods”.

    When was the last time any of us saw a sanctimonious collectivist exist in one?

    Of course not, because you (instead of them) will:
    Own nothing
    Exist in a pod
    Eat the bugs
    Be happy
    (or else) …

    Grate.

  16. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    JD – save such gems until the Disco Thread on 2 April.

    What I have been noticing is the shameless pillaging of Disco among many contemporary artistes* both here and abroad. That’s when I’m not unrepentantly enjoying the aforementioned pillaging …

    Classic example: Holiday, leavened as it is with some funk and electronica**.

    *If they could be dignified with such a term

    **Not to mention that magnifique Miss, Janet Planet.

  17. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    When was the last time any of us saw a sanctimonious collectivist exist in one?

    University dormitory accommodation.

  18. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Dead fred, Tom.

    Will refer on the new one.

  19. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom.

  20. bespoke Avatar
  21. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    “the unregistered National Disability Insurance Scheme provider said she was suspending services to “service providers, clients, friends and family” who received an inoculation because of the risk of them shedding the virus.

    “My staff and I will not be exposing ourselves to the risks of shedding as I have family members with autoimmune illnesses and so do many of our clients,” she wrote.”
    in South Australia

  22. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Working with an Afghan crew today. That and my increasing deafness should make things interesting.

  23. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Michael Tracey
    @mtracey

    When endless US and “Western” commentators claim Russia’s war hasn’t gone “according to plan,” they never seem to clarify how they miraculously obtained a copy of this “plan.” Can they please post the PDF?
    11:32 PM · Mar 25, 2022·

  24. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Michael Tracey is in eastern Poland.
    He says he’s embedded with Polish forces.
    He is having his phone & camera checked for authorised photos.
    Considering they are effectively twiddling their thumbs what can he share that is so dangerous?

  25. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Josh on super: Trust us.
    The same LNP government that put a limit on the tax free components of super that has already been taxed a dozen times before it’s gotten into the bloody pot.

    Announcing an extension of the 50 per cent reduction in minimum drawdown requirements to mid-2023, impacting about 1.8 million superannuation accounts, the Treasurer said his message to older Australians was “your super is safe with us”.

  26. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    feelthebern says:
    March 26, 2022 at 6:10 am

    When endless US and “Western” commentators claim Russia’s war hasn’t gone “according to plan,” they never seem to clarify how they miraculously obtained a copy of this “plan.” Can they please post the PDF?

    I know as much about the Russians’ plan as anybody, but I think they are doing fine, if I can use that word, in this sad situation.

    By circling Kiev they are keeping the bulk of the Ukrainian army sitting there while themselves are attacking the east for territories they want.
    I doubt Kiev is a serious target.

  27. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Everywhere in Europe it’s the same thing, rising energy costs.
    All the Bill Shortens say, buy an electric car.

  28. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    The private plated tax payer funded cars for MPs is another grotesque rort. I know they used Dept of Admin Services fuel card- that was the give away when I worked at a servo.

  29. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    says:
    March 26, 2022 at 6:19 am

    Punishment for Brexit

    Punishment for green stupidity, Milton.

  30. Anchor What Avatar
    Anchor What

    At last I can recommend an episode of the normally corrupt BBC program Hard Talk. This week, conducted by Gabriel Gatehouse, it allows a former Russian member of parliament who now resides in Ukraine to opine about the whole situation. He thinks Putin should be dealt with by a Nuremburg style court, and that the Ukrainian forces are more numerous and effective than the media lets on.
    Gatehouse does take it up to him a few times but the Russian expat acquits himself very well.
    Note: while Gatehouse is not too rabid in this half hour, the BBC is promoting a longer program by him where he insists that there’s a sinister undercurrent in the USA, including people who chant “USA, USA” or who dare to walk into the Capitol. No hint in the promo that it contains anything condemnatory of the January 6 committee or the illegal detention of a number of people who did nothing deserving of that detention without trial.

  31. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    I doubt Kiev is a serious target.

    Part of me thinks the Pentagon is losing their mind over this.
    Every US invasion since WWII has been about capturing a city & having a tenuous hold on territory.
    The bigger the city, it seems like the shiny bums at the DoD view it as more important.

    This Russian invasion has been the opposite.
    Avoiding Kiev would have many perplexed.

    But we really don’t know.
    Only time will tell.

  32. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    I missed out on most of the Andrew Hastie discussions last night. It’s obvious now that he was channel nine’s source of leaks agains BRS. What a lowlife. I suppose it’s only to be expected, if BRS went into politics he would have overtaken Hastie therefore he had to be smeared to eliminate the competition.

    Hope Hastie loses his seat at the next election then he can be hired by Channel Nine. He belongs with the rest of the old Fairfax crowd.

  33. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The Patreon purge continues.
    If the DOJ wasn’t in the pocket of the DNC they’d be all over this for anti trust issues due to the collusion.
    In addition to Patreon kicking people off, there are a range of others who use Vimeo to broadcast their Patreon hosted content.
    Vimeo have informed a bunch of them that their monthly charges are going up from a couple hundred dollars per month to 1ok ish because of usage.
    But the owner is not allowed to see the data that shows this usage.
    And until a billionaire funds litigation against Vimeo, this anti competitive behaviour will continue.

  34. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    I still cannot understand how people can sympathise with Putin and the Russians in the Ukrainian war and hope they win. It will never be enough because Crimea wasn’t enough. There will be more and more wars by Putin until Americans say enough and mean it.

    China can come up with a similar rationale why they need Australia as a security measure. Solomon Islands are only the beginning, Papua New Guinea next and then we will be seen as a threat to those.

  35. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    So if you survive the Patreon purge & then get hit with the seperate (not seperate) Vimeo standover move, you change your Patreon content destination from Vimeo to a private youtube link.
    But then almost immediately Youtube demonetises your account for some nebulous reason.

    Patreon, Vimeo, Youtube (google/alphabet).
    And the DOJ doesn’t lift a finger even though these companies are all colluding.
    But they’ll spend decades proving chicken farmers collude.

  36. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    “Moreover, switching from comparatively cheap contracts with Russia to world market spot prices would imply a currently five-fold increase in gas prices.”

    too easy says the LSE

  37. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I don’t see much sympathy for Putin, just a pragmatic desire for a swift resolution.
    The longer it goes the more death and destruction ensues.

  38. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Clarence Thomas is 73 & understands these tech issues to the extent he’s now hawking someone to get a case on the SCOTUS docket.
    I reckon around 30% of the US Senate wouldn’t know how to use email yet.

  39. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Little people don’t have billionaire in their pocket and that’s why they are little people and it’s safe to oppress them. Whatever happened to the 60s and the “power to the people” movement? Ah yes, the leaders of that movement are the power now which was really what it was about for them. They were never interested in “the people” who were just a vehicle to get them into power. Once there it’s Lear jets, yachts and Bentleys for them and bikes for “the people”.

    What happens now?

  40. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Not speaking for the loonie tune element that pretend Ukraine isn’t a sovereign country of course.

  41. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    China can come up with a similar rationale why they need Australia as a security measure. Solomon Islands are only the beginning, Papua New Guinea next and then we will be seen as a threat to those.

    You’ve got this upside down.
    The Ukraine is a sovereign nation & can do whatever it wants even though it enrages a neighbour.
    The Solomon Islands is a sovereign nation & can do whatever it wants even though it enrages a neighbour.

  42. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Pragmatic desire for a quick resolution, Rosie? It’s like saying don’t you dare defend yourselves or I will have to kill more of you.

  43. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    The presumption seems to be that Putin has a right to some or all of Ukraine.

  44. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Post the sovereign nation Ukraine doing whatever it is entitled to do, hopefully all the opponents to the China one-belt one-road will now stop complaining.
    Sovereign nations can not whatever they want regardless of what their neighbours think.
    And they definitely can do whatever they want if the biggest loser is a country on the other side of the world (the US in the case of OBOR).

  45. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    I still cannot understand how people can sympathise with Putin and the Russians in the Ukrainian war and hope they win.

    The Ukrainian Government was put there by Obama and his neo con pals in 2014 to goad Russia.

  46. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Pragmatic desire for a quick resolution, Rosie? It’s like saying don’t you dare defend yourselves or I will have to kill more of you.

    I reckon about 40million Ukrainians want to live in peace & only a couple million want a war.
    They don’t give a shit about Putin or the billionaires who installed Zelensky.

  47. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    At the beginning I thought too that taking the majority Russian populated Donbas may be politically defensible but that’s no longer what it’s about. It seems to be the whole of Ukraine is the objective. If it’s not then why not pull back, why the attack on the whole country?

  48. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I’m not saying anything of the kind.
    I’m saying the west should be very hesitant to get further involved.
    Not as if the world police have been doing a sterling job in other conflict zones.

  49. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    It became even more obvious during the Trump era that the US establishment didn’t want peace with Russia at all.

  50. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    I’m saying the west should be very hesitant to get further involved.

    Agree but it’s American meddling that’s led to current state of affairs.

  51. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Sovereign nations can not whatever

    Sovereign nations can now do whatever…
    Sheesh.

  52. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    It seems to be the whole of Ukraine is the objective.

    Based on what?

  53. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    They don’t give a shit about Putin or the billionaires who installed Zelensky.

    I see, they don’t give a shit about their country.

    Sometimes a wrong leader installed by the wrong people can still do the right thing.

  54. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Based on what?

    Widespread attacks.

    Why not negotiate for the Donbas which they hold if they don’t want more?

    Another possibility is to destroy the rest of the country and kill as many people as possible as a punishment. You OK with that?

  55. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    I see, they don’t give a shit about their country.

    They give more of a shit about why they are the poorest country in Europe per capita.
    Because 30% of the income the country receives (from gas transit fees) goes straight back out the door to the billionaire class.

  56. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Another possibility is to destroy the rest of the country and kill as many people as possible as a punishment.

    Rest of the country?
    You don’t know how big Ukraine is do you?

  57. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Because 30% of the income the country receives (from gas transit fees) goes straight back out the door to the billionaire class.

    Also remember the heavy involvement of assorted American crooks masquerading as politicians.

  58. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    McCain filth for example.

  59. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Agree but it’s American meddling that’s led to current state of affairs.

    Yes, Biden and the bumbling idiots in Foggy Bottom gave Putin the go-ahead without realising what he had in mind. I suppose details are for little people, they are the big picture people. Well, the picture is big now and getting bigger all the time.

  60. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    PS gas from Russia keeps transiting Ukraine to Europe.
    The gas keeps on getting paid for.
    Russia gets their money for the gas.
    Ukraine gets their money for the transit fee.

    When was the last time an war was on and something like this kept happening?
    A war?
    Let alone an invasion.

  61. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Granted Ukraine is large but if you destroy cities you destroy main population centres and destabilise everything.

  62. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Germany would have huddled masses within weeks of the gas being turned off.

  63. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Why would Ukrainians stop the gas flow to Europe when they need European assistance? Cutting off the gas supply would have minimal impact on Russia, it would even make Putin look better.

  64. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    Truth is, I absolutely despise what the US has become- pushing ‘sex change’ operations on minors, imprisoning dissenters without trial in DC, trashing their own history. The Russians don’t have an establishment that hates its own country.

  65. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Why would Ukrainians stop the gas flow to Europe when they need European assistance?

    Are you that dull?
    The gas flows because Russia let it.
    Only a retard would think the Ukrainians would do anything to impact the flow of money.

  66. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Granted Ukraine is large but if you destroy cities you destroy main population centres and destabilise everything.

    If Brisbane had an earthquake, would people in Rocky, Townsville or Cairns care?

  67. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I can’t see any valid argument Putin would have gone into Ukraine for the purpose of destroying it.
    Isn’t the ‘big’ theory he believes Ukraine is essentially Russian?
    Don’t know what his plan is or how close or not he is to realising it.

  68. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Gotta luv OUR ABC’s definition of the average Oz.. LOL! .. Story on rising petrol prices with 2 examples of average .. (1) single woman living in Wooroongah ( an upper NS suburb well out of reach of the pockets of most average Oz battlers at the best of times) & (2) a bloke who’s doing it soo tuff putting petrol in the car he’s, seriously, considering riding his motor bike more often ..
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-26/outer-sydney-residents-hit-hard-by-rising-petrol-prices/100931742

  69. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Alinta says court wind farm ruling will have ‘dramatic’ and chilling effect on renewable energy investment

    In its decision, the court backed claims brought against the 106MW Bald Hills wind farm in the south east of the state by neighbours who argued they were unable to sleep because of noise from the project.

    Justice Melinda Richards ordered the project’s operators to switch off parts of the wind farm at night until the noise levels could be reduced to an acceptable level.

    She also told the operators to pay aggrieved neighbours more than a quarter of a million dollars in costs and damages.

    The bitch. Utter bitch.
    These ingrates should be proud to suffer for their planet.

    [Alinta CEO Jeff Dimery] said the decision would send “ripples” of doubt through the renewable energy industry across the country given the potential precedent it sets for other wind farms.

    He said the longer-term implications were potentially significant, noting the ruling could scare away developers by making wind farms harder to build and less financially attractive.

    “It’s a disaster,” Mr Dimery said.

    Depending on your definition of ‘disaster’.

  70. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    It’s one of those good disasters.
    Wind farms are a fantastic little earner for absentee landlords.

  71. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I should have said, incidentally.

  72. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    On the “No biolabs in Ukraine” kerfuffle, this is interesting:

    https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/24/biden-linked-company-partnered-with-ukraine-biolabs/

    “An investment firm directed by President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden was a leading financial backer of a pandemic tracking and response firm that collaborated on identifying and isolating deadly pathogens in Ukrainian laboratories, receiving funds from the Obama administration’s Department of Defense in the process…”

    RTWL

  73. Dot Avatar

    How did Zelensky get installed by Obama in 2014?

    Oh I see, Putin is invading because he hates corrupt billionaires.

  74. calli Avatar
    calli

    Pragmatic desire for a quick resolution, Rosie? It’s like saying don’t you dare defend yourselves or I will have to kill more of you.

    I just want it over too, Crossie. Seen enough of these stupid skirmishes to know that no one really “wins” except the bank accounts of the already mega wealthy.

    By all means defend yourself. This is a natural and worthy response to an aggressor. It can get past the point of negotiation and onto an endless cycle of death and destruction all too easily.

    Especially if there’s all care no responsibility barracking from the bleachers.

  75. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The billionaires who get the lion share of the transit royalties from Ukraine don’t even live in the country.
    My compassion is for the 40mill Ukrainians have/are/will continue to suffer as pawns in the game the billionaires & tyrants are playing.

  76. srr Avatar
    srr

    KHARKIV
    Why The Western Elites Are Foolish and Amoral

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDOa9PW3lnU

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  77. calli Avatar
    calli

    I like that expression – “absentee landlords”.

    It applies so well to so much that is wrong with the world.

  78. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    miltonfsays:
    March 26, 2022 at 6:27 am
    The private plated tax payer funded cars for MPs is another grotesque rort. I know they used Dept of Admin Services fuel card- that was the give away when I worked at a servo.

    A rort shared by public servants at SES level and above, equivalent military officers, judicial officers, and undoubtedly very many more of those on the taxpayer teat of whom I am unaware.

  79. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    I reckon around 30% of the US Senate wouldn’t know how to use email yet.

    So just like the fuckstick that gave us the G in R-G-R?

  80. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Crossiesays:
    March 26, 2022 at 6:57 am
    I still cannot understand how people can sympathise with Putin and the Russians in the Ukrainian war and hope they win.

    Neither side is pure of heart or mind. Can’t they both lose?

  81. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Are you that dull?
    The gas flows because Russia let it.
    Only a retard would think the Ukrainians would do anything to impact the flow of money.

    That’s right, Russia let’s it but Ukrainians can cut the pipe as it passes through their territory. Ukraine has the veto power in this instance.

  82. srr Avatar
    srr

    From last night, this is an important reminder to all those allowing themselves to be lulled into believing the lie that, ‘Covid’s Over, The Mandates Are Done, freedom, blah blah …’

    Bourne1879 says:
    March 25, 2022 at 11:37 pm

    Got an update from cop contact in NZ. NZ PM / Government are scum.

    “on the last working day before the appeal deadline date, the Crown announced this morning they were appealing the ruling.

    Our lawyer has reviewed the basis of the Crowns appeal and deemed it weak at best and very narrow regarding a point of law.

    It’s obvious now the decision to appeal is politically motivated as opposed to an actual legal issue.

    The Govt are trying desperately to hang on to the ‘mandate’ option which is evident by the PMs comments on Wednesday.

    According to our lawyer the JR decision seriously damaged the Govt and in turn the police.

    Regardless the appeal announcement today was upsetting for our group as it not only threatens a return to work but questions the validity of the JR”.

    They are appealing a High Court Judge who gave them a major smacking over sacking people for not taking a jab. I guess they have a Supreme Court or Court of Case also involves NZ Defence.
    ___________________________

    They Never Stop Unless They Are Stopped!

  83. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    So why hasn’t Ukraine cut the pipeline already?

  84. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Don’t forget Germany could have sanctioned Russia by refusing the gas too.

  85. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    Crossie says:
    March 26, 2022 at 8:33 am

    That’s right, Russia let’s it but Ukrainians can cut the pipe as it passes through their territory. Ukraine has the veto power in this instance.

    And cut their own throat in the process, by eliminating any good will they enjoy at the moment.

  86. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Once again, why attack Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv etc which are in the north if you want the Donbas in the south? Why not use overwhelming force in the south region and expel non-combatants? Unless you want to enrage the whole country and have an excuse for greater carnage.

  87. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    New Zealand had the most absurd zero covid policies of all the world, it’s also not Australia.

  88. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    And cut their own throat in the process, by eliminating any good will they enjoy at the moment.

    That was my point further up, they need European support, at least political.

  89. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Neither side is pure of heart or mind. Can’t they both lose?

    Both losing was already the status quo in Donbas, Ukraine didn’t control it and Russia did not officially own it. Putin attacked to win it and ostensibly only that part.

  90. srr Avatar
    srr

    And while you’re still being niggled by it johanna –

    johanna says:
    March 26, 2022 at 5:51 am

    Oh, and I note from way back the (correct) comment about Dettol not being suitable for deep wounds because it kills everything. Then again, deep wounds should not be treated at home.
    […]
    ________________________

    That’s why we called the ambos and followed their instructions as we waited.

    Again, the ambos were GREAT, it was only at the grossly understaffed & overworked hospital that everything went to shit.

    But then, as Public “Servant” letter reader who had no time for reading letters from the public she considers beneath her, I don’t expect you to care about the dangerous state of our public medical system either.

  91. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Alinta says court wind farm ruling will have ‘dramatic’ and chilling effect on renewable energy investment

    In its decision, the court backed claims brought against the 106MW Bald Hills wind farm in the south east of the state by neighbours who argued they were unable to sleep because of noise from the project.

    The bloody things spray oil everywhere as well. I’ve spoken to people who have them on farm and blokes who instal the towers.
    The oil is the heavy gear type and once the seals begin to age or are not well fitted, it seeps out and is thrown by the blades many metres clear of the blade arc.
    Locals get the old oil from service changes and use it in farm machinery gear boxes.
    It’s all green and great this wind power.

  92. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    A few months ago my son got excellent speedy care and follow up treatment at a major Melbourne public hospital for a serious burn.
    One anecdote does not a dangerous state make.
    Which isn’t to say Victorian public hospitals don’t have issues, we saw many elderly patients ramped for hours after a previous incident necessitating an ambulance ride in early 2019 when that particular hospital has zero free beds available, fortunately our patient was able to go home after a few hours observation.

  93. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Jeebers.
    The Ukrainian billionaires demand the gas keep flowing.
    They get the lion share of the transit fee.
    I can only imagine the collateral they are holding over the Ukrainian military leaders to ensure there are no accidental interruptions.

  94. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    This idea that the Ukrainian billionaire class, the Ukrainian political class & the poor old punter in the Ukraine has common goals is juvenile.

  95. calli Avatar
    calli

    If one in seven gainfully employed work in health care, we shouldn’t have a problem, should we?

    I wonder if they’re all chiefs and no indians?

  96. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    Can’t imagine what would’ve prompted this.

  97. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Australian public hospitals are great if you have a serious, potentially fatal issue. If you have the usual, run of the mill issues of old age that aren’t going to kill you not so much. If you aren’t going to let market prices dictate access to health (and I would not advocate doing so) you will have waiting lists around access.

  98. Duc de Normandy Avatar
    Duc de Normandy

    New Zealand had the most absurd zero covid policies of all the world, it’s also not Australia. X. Australia’s Covid restrictions are stupid too. Unvaccinated tourists can come in but unvaccinated Australians are forbidden to go abroad. That’s down to Morrison. X. In AnnaStasia the unvaccinated are banned from restaurants cafes theatres concerts museums galleries. This is down to Socialists Weimar Australia is even worse. NT is a national embarrassment. SA is going from frying an to fire. X How at things in Vikktiria.

  99. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    just like the fuckstick that gave us the G in R-G-R?

    Ah, memories. Was it really almost a decade ago? Feels like yesterday.

    Two revelations from those turbulent times – Tony Windbag couldn’t operate a computer* and Bob “Barkin’ Mad” Katter’s briefcase contained toilet paper and nothing else. Which makes sense, given that the latter is full of sh#te.

    Those two are entirely representative of the noxious parasitic imbeciles busily running this country into the ground. BTW, Katter has been a feral MP since 1993 (not counting his stint as an MP in the Queensland parliament from 1974 to 1992). That’s some serious value for other peoples’ money, whichever way you might define the concept.

    *Although like the Very Pedestrian Council’s Scruby, he was a wizard on the fax machine (allegedly).

  100. calli Avatar
    calli

    I see Berka unlocked the Casket of Emojis last night and they all flew out. And Dover demonstrated that he is the Master of Upticks.

    Oligarchs everywhere.

  101. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Latest medical squirrel let loose on the gullible public.
    The wife relates that ladies she speaks with are reporting heart issues with their men after they have covid. The vaccine didn’t get a mention as a possible culprit as they’ve been convinced by doctors that it’s the virus at play.

    For certain we will all contract covid at some stage, so it’s very handy for health practitioners to have a ready made explanation for seemingly healthy men getting chest pains.

    I’ve had two jabs and the last in early August last year. That’s it and after my covid infection a couple of weeks ago I see no earthly reason for another shot.

  102. calli Avatar
    calli

    You forgot the ghastly Oakshott, Rabz. He of the 17 minute justification for his choice, including a reference to his wise child.

  103. srr Avatar
    srr

    Crossie says:
    March 26, 2022 at 7:11 am

    The presumption seems to be that Putin has a right to some or all of Ukraine.

    As I mentioned before, even the Ukrainians who built our Churches & Communities here in the 1960’s, had raging arguments about where the actual borders of the Ukraine should be.

    ‘Ukrainian’ Govt Backed Nazis terrorising, torturing & slaughtering Russian sympathetic Ukrainians for over eight years, is the sort of thing that Western Nations would find an excuse to ‘interfere in’, IF, it wasn’t for the fact of their interference there already having made it possible for those Nazis to go the hack against the Nation of Ukraine.

  104. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Australia’s bat flu restrictions are stupid too

    I try not to think about them (even though they still persist), for the sake of my blood pressure.

  105. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    I wonder if they’re all chiefs and no indians?
    Nowadays and for quite a few years past, Oz gummint healthcare has been about building personal empires .. caring comes in a distant second or maybe fifth …

  106. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    I wonder if they’re all chiefs and no indians?

    Calli

    At the time of the Dr Death scandal in Queensland, an inquiry was set up. Unfortunately for the Queensland Labor government of the time (probably Beattie), one of the first things the inquiry noticed was that the number of clerical paper pushers in the Health Department was at least equal to the number of nurses.

    The inquiry was hastily closed down, and a new one set up, this time under the Sir Humphrey dictum of not setting up an inquiry to which the desired answer was not obvious.

    Carpet, meet broom!

  107. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    “My staff and I will not be exposing ourselves to the risks of shedding as I have family members with autoimmune illnesses and so do many of our clients,” she wrote.”
    in South Australia

    Absolutely typical. If anyone says anything contrary to the narrative – ban them. So simple. So much easier than trying refute their argument.

  108. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    You forgot the ghastly Oakshott

    Indeed, calli and thanks for reminding me … 😡

  109. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Rabzsays:
    March 26, 2022 at 9:22 am
    You forgot the ghastly Oakshott

    Indeed, calli and thanks for reminding me … ?

    I would rather not have been reminded of the horror.

  110. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Holy fuck!
    The US exports more blood than it does corn [disregard Russell Brand doing a Sancho impression further down the page].
    https://fivegunswest.blogspot.com/2022/03/americas-red-line-vampire-class-exports.html

  111. srr Avatar
    srr

    Crossie says:
    March 26, 2022 at 7:15 am

    At the beginning I thought too that taking the majority Russian populated Donbas may be politically defensible but that’s no longer what it’s about. It seems to be the whole of Ukraine is the objective. If it’s not then why not pull back, why the attack on the whole country?

    Funny, western commenters love telling us that, “Putin’s plans are going as he intended”, while ignoring the fact that Western commenters aren’t privy to Putin’s plans, yet when he clearly states that a key part of his plan is “DE-NAZIFICATION”, that just goes straight into the Nazi Enabling Wests black hole.

    Doesn’t anyone remember, “Punch A Nazi!”, being justified all over the West … right up until Putin went in to stop the imminent attack by Ukrainian Nazis against Eastern Ukrainians?

  112. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    I’ve had two jabs and the last in early August last year. That’s it and after my covid infection a couple of weeks ago I see no earthly reason for another shot.

    Perhaps, but when Albanese’s Einsatzgruppen turn up at you’re door, you’ll be getting that shot.

  113. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Pleasing news (see blockquote below) that ‘the tide is turning’ and that the Church of England is responsive to moral pressure. I’d like my Huguenot ancestor’s bones to remain under their own monument on the floor before the altar in the ancient Listed church where he and his family worshipped daily, next door to the manor where he farmed in the 1600’s and 1700’s. While I have only faint hopes for success there, the item below did cheer me up. I’ll mention it when I visit with the Recor and other hierarchy in May.

    The up-cheering item below, from the UK Daily Telegraph this Thursday, was sent to us because my dearest beloved, a Cambridge man from Jesus College through and through, has been part of the active and once very hairy group (you should see the 1970 freshmen photograph of them all) who have stood up for the integrity of their ancient chapel and were against smashing the window therein to an earlier benevolvent benefactor. The woke College students, the administration and the College Master (one deeply mired into Chinese money too, btw) ganged up against old pothead alumni but they have lost and the alumni have won (but don’t discount an appeal, as these top dogs don’t like to be shown up wrong, note the James Cook’s unimpressive VC’s pursuit to the end of Peter Ridd). Nice words in this piece from a Cambridge historian on making judgements out of historical time, slamming all of the deficiencies of CRT.

    The Rustat verdict is a humiliation for woke activists
    The tide may have finally turned against campaigners, and we can now hope that rational thinking is returning to our great institutions

    DAVID ABULAFIA 24 March 2022 • 5:31pm

    Representatives of Jesus College, Cambridge, have declared themselves “shocked” at the verdict that, despite the strident demands of campaigners, Grinling Gibbons’s monument to Tobias Rustat should remain in the college chapel.

    What is truly shocking is the sheer certainty of these campaigners that the judgment of the Consistory Court of the Diocese of Ely, tasked with deciding the monument’s future, would go their way. It is of a part with the arrogant attitude of activists across the country, who have closed their ears to intelligent debate about how we commemorate notable people from the past whose social and political assumptions were very different from our own.

    It turns too on a distorted view of the past: one that is rooted in the assumption that modern British society is deeply and ineradicably impregnated with the legacy of the slave trade. What the judge in the Rustat case, Deputy Chancellor David Hodge, rightly called the “evil, utterly abhorrent, and repugnant” slave trade did have a role in the making of Britain. But to afford it such exclusive predominance is to ignore all the other ways in which Britain enriched itself over the centuries. No better example of this distortion can be found than the row over Rustat, who, it has now been shown, made his many benefactions with money obtained elsewhere than the slave trade.

    Some quiet victories have been obtained in recent months by those who oppose the new iconoclasm championed in universities and museums. Imperial College, for instance, has agreed not to remove the name of Thomas Huxley, one of the college’s founders. But it is the Rustat judgment which provides the firmest indication yet that the tide has finally turned. It is a landmark decision in the resolution of our current disputes. We must now hope that rational thinking is returning to British institutions just as the public grows exasperated by increasingly absurd claims about historical figures.

    Deputy Chancellor Hodge had harsh words for those who jumped to conclusions about Rustat, enlarging his role in slavery out of all proportion, making it out to be the main source of his wealth, though it was not. Sloppy research about links between colleges and slavery is unacceptable in one of the world’s leading universities. In Jesus, as in other great educational establishments, the absurd generalisations of “Critical Race Theory” have been allowed to guide debate about events and behaviour several centuries ago. In one email a student even complained of “a concerted effort by external white supremacist organisations” to retain the Rustat monument.

    The judgment also makes powerful positive points about the religious setting for the monument: a church or chapel belongs not to humans but to God, and “the Rustat memorial may be employed as an appropriate vehicle to consider the imperfection of human beings?… Forgiveness encompasses the whole of humankind, past and present, for we are all sinners; and it extends even to slave traders.”

    Nor should we forget the words of the Rustat monument itself: “The greatest part of the Estate he gathered?… he disposed in his life time in works of charity.” Such a man, whose bones lie under the floor of his beloved chapel, deserves more than to be reduced to a cardboard caricature.

    David Abulafia is a professor of history at the University of Cambridge

  114. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Groogs in the US you could jerk off for a living. Worth considering. Maybe Hawaii?

  115. srr Avatar
    srr

    Crossie says:
    March 26, 2022 at 7:22 am
    Based on what?

    Widespread attacks.

    Why not negotiate for the Donbas which they hold if they don’t want more?

    Another possibility is to destroy the rest of the country and kill as many people as possible as a punishment. You OK with that?
    _________________________________

    Because The Ukrainians were already in position to attack the Eastern Ukrainians after more than eight years of terrorising them.

    No one from the West cared to take their pleas for a solution seriously.

    They all sat back and let it happen.

    Putin kept calling for a solution, as with his attempts to negotiate a solution since he went in.

    Still the evil West backed Ukrainians & their Nazis absolutely refuse to stop the slaughters of civilians, until they are stopped.

  116. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    The Ukrainian billionaires demand the gas keep flowing.
    They get the lion share of the transit fee.
    I can only imagine the collateral they are holding over the Ukrainian military leaders to ensure there are no accidental interruptions.

    You’re not making any sense there.
    Why would the Ukrainian Military wanna cut of Europe’s Gas, since NATO/Europe is resupplying them?

  117. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    I still cannot understand how people can sympathise with Putin and the Russians in the Ukrainian war and hope they win. It will never be enough because Crimea wasn’t enough.

    On the most basic level, I think he’s less of a danger and less rapacious than Klaus Schwab and his acolytes. I also believe that he has some dedication beyond himself, to god and country. The Davos crowd has no loyalty or regard for anything or anyone beyond their own advancement.

  118. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Interesting development. How then to justify mandates in other areas?

    Mayor Adams says professional athletes, performers now exempt from vaccine mandate

    He’s already being accused of double standards. Good.

    Backlash continues after Mayor Eric Adams lifts vaccine mandate for professional athletes and performers

  119. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Crossie, just in military terms the Russians are dividing the Uke forces and preventing reinforcement and re-supply of the Azov and other troops which were shelling Donbas while severely degrading Uke C3I by missile strikes on key nodes. Whilst the Ukes may be still resisting they don’t have that ability on large scale as cohesive national armed forces.
    Putin’s demands are:
    1. Ukraine never joins NATO and becomes neutral i.e.no NATO bases, missiles or exercises on Uke soil.
    2 Ukes respect the Donbas etc autonomy as agreed by Uke govt in 2014 and stop killing them.
    3.Crimea is Russian. It is de facto now and the Russians actually have good claim. They bought it under Catherine.
    4.De-Nazification ie de-fang the Azov mob etc. Probably being taken care of right now by Russian soldiers who will kill them all.

  120. Lurx Avatar

    There is an old Russian saying:
    The dogs will bark, then the caravan moves on.

  121. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    After the mentions of SF writer and blogger Jerry Pournelle last night, it is lesser known that he, Larry Niven, Poul Anderson, Robert Heinlein and others met at Niven’s place in 1983 and put together the proposal that led to Reagan adopting The Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI, aka “Star Wars” which helped bring down the Soviet Union. They were all rightly, pretty proud of that.

  122. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Ever heard of Agent Blue?
    From the link:

    Arsenical herbicides containing cacodylic acid as an active ingredient are still used today as weed-killers. In the US they are used extensively, from golf courses to backyards. They are also sprayed on cotton fields, drying out the cotton plants before harvesting. So common — and so profitable — is the original commercial form of Agent Blue that it was among 10 toxic insecticides, fungicides and herbicides partially deregulated by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in February 2004. Specific limits on toxic residues in meat, milk, poultry, and eggs were removed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Blue

  123. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    Out of curiosity, I gave the public hospital system a go for a thing.
    The within 90 days thing ended up being within 150 days on Monday.
    Querying the question of private health insurance flushed out someone higher up the chain of command plus a letter in the mail assuring me it was all copacetic. Although it might’ve triggered a class war thing later on.*
    Behind the green door, I don’t remember waking several times
    according to the after action report, so who cares?
    The whole day surgery system begins to smoke and spit sparks
    if you don’t provide your own post op. hand holder, which was hilarious.
    *I’ve been making my own bed since I could tie my own shoes,
    so that wasn’t a big deal, but rummaging through random cupboards on the ward, looking for a towel was a bit tedious.

  124. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Once again, why attack Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv etc which are in the north if you want the Donbas in the south? Why not use overwhelming force in the south region and expel non-combatants? Unless you want to enrage the whole country and have an excuse for greater carnage.

    Putin overreached.

    He has a history of taking big risks, going back to how he made his first fortune, but this time he has come undone.

  125. srr Avatar
    srr

    Dot says:
    March 26, 2022 at 8:10 am

    How did Zelensky get installed by Obama in 2014?

    Oh I see, Putin is invading because he hates corrupt billionaires.

    Remember when Team Obama (Clinton et al), set up their ‘Shadow’ Deep State Govt just down the road from the new Trump Govt, to better enable their continued spying and pressuring of everyone daring to work with the Trump Govt?

    If you don’t, you should probably refrain from comments on what’s going on now, that is still so strongly tied to what went on way back then, when the same mobs that used, “Russia!”, “Ukraine!”, to take down Trump also installed Obama and put him in the Ukraine Biolab driving seat.

    If you do know about all that, your comment is pure Pro-US Deep State Propaganda.

  126. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    my dearest beloved, a Cambridge man from Jesus College through and through, has been part of the active and once very hairy group (you should see the 1970 freshmen photograph of them all)

    Fucking hell, Lizzie, you’re always complaining that “poor Hairy might get doxxed”.
    Given that you tell us he’s got something of a public profile, can he hide amongst a vast crowd of 69 year old prominent married Irishmen who were freshmen at Jesus, Cambridge in 1970, have stood as a candidate for elected office and live in Vaucluse?

  127. Bluey Avatar
    Bluey

    Eyriesays:
    March 26, 2022 at 9:44 am
    Crossie, just in military terms the Russians are dividing the Uke forces and preventing reinforcement and re-supply of the Azov and other troops which were shelling Donbas while severely degrading Uke C3I by missile strikes on key nodes. Whilst the Ukes may be still resisting they don’t have that ability on large scale as cohesive national armed forces.
    Putin’s demands are:
    1. Ukraine never joins NATO and becomes neutral i.e.no NATO bases, missiles or exercises on Uke soil.
    2 Ukes respect the Donbas etc autonomy as agreed by Uke govt in 2014 and stop killing them.
    3.Crimea is Russian. It is de facto now and the Russians actually have good claim. They bought it under Catherine.
    4.De-Nazification ie de-fang the Azov mob etc. Probably being taken care of right now by Russian soldiers who will kill them all.

    Given the reaction of the west, I also see it as a in for a penny, in for a pound type of thing. What exactly is the cost of taking the whole thing instead of negotiating or only securing part, given the rhetoric?

    The other point to it is, the more ground taken or threatened, the stronger the position for negotiations. If, in practical terms, Russia own everything east of the river, it gives them a “concession” of handing some back to the government of Ukraine for example.

    Although, I don’t expect much to happen until most of the neo-nazi groups are destroyed.

  128. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    How can anyone not be opposed to Russia in this war?
    How can you support a country in which an obscenely wealthy political elite enrich themselves by insider trading and cronyism, suppress dissenting voices, get the media to lie for them, imprison their political opponents indefinitely without charges being laid….
    oh, sorry, that’s the USA under Biden. Do carry on.

  129. calli Avatar
    calli

    Tim, he isn’t Irish. His identity remains secure.

    I’m probably more Irish. 😀

  130. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Not the Bee:

    Biden administration to prioritise journalists and alphabet people in Ukrainian refugee intake

    “Women and children to the back of the line please.”

  131. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Dick Ed

    Why would the Ukrainian Military wanna cut of Europe’s Gas, since NATO/Europe is resupplying them?

    You’re not a deep thinker, are you?

    The money that Europe pays for the gas is also paying to resupply the Russian forces.

  132. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    Hitting Lvov airport ensures RAF and USAF resupply flights keep clear of
    Ukie airspace, avoiding the potential for calamity.

  133. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Indolent

    On the most basic level, I think he’s less of a danger and less rapacious than Klaus Schwab and his acolytes.

    What is that CS Lewis quote about the robber baron occasionally being sated in his depredations, while the WEF “do gooders” (You will be happy!) will persist in their stupid attempt to make us happy forever?

  134. srr Avatar
    srr

    Crossie says:
    March 26, 2022 at 8:39 am

    Once again, why attack Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv etc which are in the north if you want the Donbas in the south? Why not use overwhelming force in the south region and expel non-combatants? Unless you want to enrage the whole country and have an excuse for greater carnage.

    Also once again, De-Nazification.

    They are not a smattering of disgruntled youth in their parents garages.

    They are major, influential, political power blocks, backed by the Western Installed ‘Ukrainian’ Govt.

    It isn’t only the Azov Battalion it’s many, multigenerational Nazi groups that never gave up since their first rising.

    Unfortunately their Western arms have spent generations using Hollywood & other propaganda to have us equate “Nazis” ONLY with the DEFEATED “Hitler”.

    They are why my grandfather didn’t take his family to the US, Canada, UK or the rest of Europe where he knew they were strongly established and planned to rise again.

  135. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Thanks Crossie above for having a go at putting the case against the new and frankly fucking insane Catallaxy consensus on Ukraine.

  136. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Ed Casesays:
    March 26, 2022 at 9:58 am
    Ever heard of Agent Blue?

    Are you losing your Google Fu again, Dick? “Agent Blue” possibly dates back to WW I and the German (arsenical) Blue Cross gas.

  137. calli Avatar
    calli

    PJW’s latest fits seamlessly with that, lotocoti.

    H/t mh from DashCat

  138. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    The wheels are wobbling on Emperor Xi’s Golden Victory Zero-Covid strategy:

    Frustration with Covid response grows in China as daily cases near 5,000

    As the Omicron variant takes hold, some say the country’s hardline approach is causing more deaths than the virus itself

    Familiar symptoms of an infection of fuckup fairies.

    …some residents have claimed they’ve been locked down for far longer than warned, and others reported issues in securing fresh food and other deliveries.
    A run through the snow, PCR tests and no guests: a wedding in China’s Covid lockdown

    “2+2+2+2+2, the lockdown days has been infinitely increased by two,” complained one resident. “Policies change every day, prices rise every day. I have to get up at 5 o’clock every day to grab food. It is still unknown whether it can be delivered. This is how our government treats its citizens?”

    Luckily, Xi’s Winged Monkeys have been busy:

    Social-media users in China are obsessing over a conspiracy theory claiming the COVID-19 virus was produced by US-linked laboratories in Ukraine

    Well played Infowars. You’ve found a soul mate.

  139. dover0beach Avatar

    everybody who wants one still owns a car or motorbike. I doubt that it has much effect on road traffic volume.

    Agreed. I never really missed a car in NYC except on this or that weekend when the urge to go for a drive and explore the countryside would arise. And even in a city like that where the costs of car ownership were high the streets were full of them which speaks to their convenience.

  140. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    What “consensus”, Arky at 10.22am? The only thing I’m sure of is that almost everyone is lying about almost everything and it’s hard work sorting it all out.

    The Silicon Valley social media monopolies have magnified the problem 100-fold.

  141. calli Avatar
    calli

    Just assume everyone’s lying. If there’s a morsel of truth to be sifted out, rejoice.

  142. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    New word! “pinkwashing”…

    Labor leader Anthony Albanese has been accused of being transphobic after answering a flat ‘no’ when asked if he thought men could have babies.

    The opposition leader was taking part in a media quickfire quiz of rapid questions when he was asked the apparently simple poser.

    But his emphatic reply was rounded on by the LGBTQI community and supporters as ‘shameful’ and ‘transphobic’ for ignoring transgender males who give birth.

    ‘Albanese proud to deny the existence of trans people just weeks after attending Mardi Gras,’ lashed refugee activist Shane Bazzi.

    ‘This is what we mean about politicians pinkwashing. F***ing shameful. This election is going to be so painful.’

    Daily Mail

  143. bons Avatar
    bons

    I was forced to open an ABC account in order to watch something on Iview. More public sector unjustifiable coercion.
    DOB. 2002
    Gender. Non binary
    Location. Daly Waters
    The bastards had better be respectful to my rights, beliefs, and sensitivities or I’ll feel unsafe, so there!

  144. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    Bonus PJW content.
    A nice change from fifteen year olds who look like they’re 30.

  145. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Putin overreached.

    He has a history of taking big risks, going back to how he made his first fortune, but this time he has come undone.

    ..
    It’s looking like it.
    I think my war aims of making Xi go “Holy shit, I don’t want any part of something like that” have already been fulfilled.
    Of course it’s sickening to see how the whole CNN, UN, EU, Democrat machinery slips smoothly into the narratives of war. And to realise “Oh, this is what they are practiced in, it’s what they are built for”.
    It’s a filthy stupid mistake to make, to get enmeshed in the propaganda from either side. It’s slick. It’s practiced, and it’s very effective. Like walking into a used car yard without a clear idea of what you are doing there. If you think you are immune from the salesman’s patter, you’re kidding yourself.

  146. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    callisays:
    March 26, 2022 at 10:16 am
    Tim, he isn’t Irish. His identity remains secure.

    So all that Irish schtick Lizzie used to go on with was dissembling?

    Actually even without the Irish thing the information Lizzie has disclosed would be ample for anyone who actually wanted to do so to track “Hairy” down. Jesus College would admit well under 200 freshers a year, and the chances must be zero that there is a substantial number of the 1970 intake married and living in Vaucluse, having a public profile and having ran for elected office.

  147. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Thanks Crossie above for having a go at putting the case against the new and frankly fucking insane Catallaxy consensus on Ukraine.

    Consensus?

  148. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Mark Latham’s Outsiders:

    Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu where it belongs: in the Fiction section. Well done Big W.

  149. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    I know doing this is just a snowflake drifting down towards hellfire, but I just cancelled my Andrew Hastie regular newsletter and emailed him with my disgust at his status of BRS whistleblower without having first-hand knowledge.

  150. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Jesus College would admit well under 200 freshers a year, and the chances must be zero that there is a substantial number of the 1970 intake married and living in Vaucluse, having a public profile and having ran for elected office

    Timbo, I’m lucky to count him as a friend. He has a wicked sense of humour.

  151. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    consensus
    /k?n?s?ns?s/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    noun: consensus; plural noun: consensuses

    ..

    Tom says:
    March 26, 2022 at 10:30 am
    What “consensus”

    ..
    That:
    1. Russia had a limited set of war aims that it is mostly in the process of achieving.
    2. The West is in some way culpable in provoking this war.
    3. It is somehow in our interests that Russia succeed.

  152. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “Crossie, just in military terms the Russians are dividing the Uke forces and preventing reinforcement and re-supply of the Azov and other troops which were shelling Donbas while severely degrading Uke C3I by missile strikes on key nodes. Whilst the Ukes may be still resisting they don’t have that ability on large scale as cohesive national armed forces.”

    Also, if Russia has what it wants, they can “dig in” and become the defenders – so they will be able to learn the territory, choke points, escape routes etc etc and become very hard to dislodge. Up until now, the Uke’s have had that advantage and have been doing fairly well because of it. Once they lose that advantage and need to become the attackers, they are screwed.

    Russia has an advantage over the Ukraine in terms of kinetic war-fighting, but with the backing of the west – and particularly US Big Tech – they are at a significant disadvantage in the information and propaganda war. But I think Russia also has a significant advantage in the economic war, despite surface appearances – due to the west’s vain attempt to transition away from fossil fuel energy before a suitable substitute was commercially viable, and their now fairly heavy reliance on Russia for those same fossil fuels, sanctions against Russia can and already have started hurting the west. Sanctions may be a war of attrition, and I think Russia is better placed to weather that shit storm than the west in general.

  153. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Cut and paste fail

    consensus

    noun
    noun: consensus; plural noun: consensuses
    a general agreement.

    ..
    That’s my limit for the day on here.
    Thanks again to Crossie. Putting the case against the majority on here isn’t easy.

  154. dover0beach Avatar

    Once again, why attack Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv etc which are in the north if you want the Donbas in the south? Why not use overwhelming force in the south region and expel non-combatants?

    They haven’t attacked Lviv. Kiev is being surrounded as a feint. Kharkov is strategically important for any operations in the south so it can’t be ignored. Same is true of areas north and north east of Crimea. The strategy is to pincer UKR forces north of Donbass by capturing areas south of Kharkov and Dnipro and encircling them . The longer this goes the more they will want to keep because of the blood and treasure expended. I don’t think they are interested in Western Ukraine which have Hungarian and Polish antecedents.

  155. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Albo breaks the Golden Rule – don’t upset the trannies.

  156. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    What is that CS Lewis quote about the robber baron occasionally being sated in his depredations, while the WEF “do gooders” (You will be happy!) will persist in their stupid attempt to make us happy forever?

    The full quote is set out below.
    It was first published in Melbourne University Law School’s journal, as part of an article decrying the then (as now) fashionable idea that governments should be allowed to impose “treatment” on convicted criminals, rather than just [in both senses] punishment.
    Lewis said that it was published in Melbourne’s journal because he couldn’t get it published in the UK. “Cancel culture” may be older than we think.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

  157. dover0beach Avatar

    Putin overreached.

    This is still a guess.

  158. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    What “consensus”, Arky at 10.22am? The only thing I’m sure of is that almost everyone is lying about almost everything and it’s hard work sorting it all out.

    That and it’s looking pretty certain that, whatever the military outcome:

    • The Russian economy will be shagged for the foreseeable;

    • Europe has woken up with a start to its energy stupidity – and will spend big to reduce consumption of Russian energy products;

    • Increased NATO and US/UK/EU national defence spending is now a front and centre issue;

    • The Western-aligned world generally will need to factor a much higher likelihood of nuclear and WMD deployment into its military thinking;

    • Team Poot will get to stand in the international naughty corner – likely until it’s no longer Team Poot;

    • China will be proud to add a new pariah to its collection of shitty mendicants – all ripe for a win-win ravishing.

    I’m not sure Russia benefits greatly from all this.

  159. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Both losing was already the status quo in Donbas, Ukraine didn’t control it and Russia did not officially own it. Putin attacked to win it and ostensibly only that part.
    Rubbish.
    Ukraine had already agreed in 2014 to recognise the Donbass Republics and not to seek NATO membership.
    Ukraine never honoured that agreement.
    The purpose of the invasion is to secure the independence of the Republics,
    to destroy NATO installations in Ukraine
    and to force Ukraine to be a responsible neighbour.

  160. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    1. Russia had a limited set of war aims that it is mostly in the process of achieving.
    2. The West is in some way culpable in provoking this war.
    3. It is somehow in our interests that Russia succeed.

    No. 2 – the provocation is on the historical record; as for culpability, that rests with the actors responsible, not “the West”, most of which has no beef with Russians.

    I don’t see any consensus on the other two points here.

  161. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    bespokesays:
    March 26, 2022 at 5:33 am
    Working with an Afghan crew today. That and my increasing deafness should make things interesting.

    To establish a friendly rapport with your work crew tell them they work like donkeys.
    They will show their gratitude by yelling loudly and waving their hands a lot, dont be concerned, this is a sign they appreciate your labeling of them.*

    * Please ensure you are near an exit as their gratitude may turn violently appreciative…

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    emailed him with my disgust at his status of BRS whistleblower without having first-hand knowledge.

    Hastie holds the Queens Commission, and is meant to lead by example…..

  163. Bluey Avatar
    Bluey

    Dr Faustussays:
    March 26, 2022 at 11:01 am
    What “consensus”, Arky at 10.22am? The only thing I’m sure of is that almost everyone is lying about almost everything and it’s hard work sorting it all out.

    That and it’s looking pretty certain that, whatever the military outcome:

    • The Russian economy will be shagged for the foreseeable;

    • Team Poot will get to stand in the international naughty corner – likely until it’s no longer Team Poot;

    • China will be proud to add a new pariah to its collection of shitty mendicants – all ripe for a win-win ravishing.

    I’m not sure Russia benefits greatly from all this.

    Don’t know about those points. There’s a few maps out there showing the countries that sanctioned Russia vs. those that didn’t. Worth a look if you’ve not seen them.

  164. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    I don’t think they are interested in Western Ukraine which have Hungarian and Polish antecedents.

    Maybe, but Galicia and Ruthenia were originally majority russian.
    Persecution by the Austrian Empire and the Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth vastly reduced the russian population in those areas and Moldova.
    Perhaps it’s time for the Poles and the Austrians to return home?

  165. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I think calli and my consensus was the quicker a negotiated settlement was reached the less Ukrainians would be hungry, homeless, injured and dying.

  166. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Once again, why attack Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv etc which are in the north if you want the Donbas in the south?

    Attacking this sector tied up a massive amount of Ukraine resources and forces, weaponry, logistics and command/comms while the Russians degraded everything the Ukrainians had around the Donbas and the land bridge to Crimea. The Russians want to annihilate the Azov Brigades in Mariupol so they can secure that whole SE sector.

  167. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    China will be proud to add a new pariah to its collection of shitty mendicants

    Speaking of which, doesn’t look like we’ll be getting a peace & friendship dividend from the billions we’ve invested in the Solomon Islands over the years.

  168. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Albo breaks the Golden Rule – don’t upset the trannies.

    What did Albo do to upset you, Bear?

  169. miltonf Avatar
    miltonf

    That’s my limit for the day on here.

    Thank God for that

  170. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Roger says:
    March 26, 2022 at 11:06 am

    ..
    This is why I don’t engage here.
    I thanked Crossie for putting a view that hasn’t got much run here.
    You seized on the one definition of “Consensus” to start squawking.
    look at a dictionary. “Consensus” can mean unanimity or a majority view. On here, until now, the majority of the views aired were contra the points Crossie made.
    Are we fucking clear on my meaning and intent now, or do you need further fucking clarification?

  171. calli Avatar
    calli

    Arky, if you’re lurking, I’ll take a possible 2. from that list.

    1 and 3 are maybes, but 2 is a dead certainty.

  172. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    my dearest beloved, a Cambridge man from Jesus College through and through, has been part of the active and once very hairy group (you should see the 1970 freshmen photograph of them all)

    Fucking hell, Lizzie, you’re always complaining that “poor Hairy might get doxxed”.
    Given that you tell us he’s got something of a public profile, can he hide amongst a vast crowd of 69 year old prominent married Irishmen who were freshmen at Jesus, Cambridge in 1970, have stood as a candidate for elected office and live in Vaucluse?

    Correct, Timothy, although joining those dots isn’t all that easy. But yes, these are all true indicators which can be garnered over the years only by dedicated collectors. Luckily there are not too many of them beyond here. Only the Irishman bit was a disguise (which threw one of Steve from Brisbane’s enquiries years ago when it mattered for my husband’s professional employment very much). It worked well, and truthfully, because he had many adventures in Ireland in his yoof and we visited Ireland often, which gave me stories which were true. Luckily, being doxxed NOW is no biggie, although of course we all like privacy when we can get it.

    When you’ve been some years retired then the public memories also fade and it’s who cares anyway? It is however polite not to do the hard yards and then doxx people, as malicious types from the left are around and could still enjoy having a go at either of us. Here or elsewhere. They don’t like apostates.

    I expect a lot of Cats and Kittehs are in a similar position.

  173. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    From the Matt Tabibbi link at the side. Here’s a quote form the New York Times about the current investigation into Hunter Biden:

    People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.

    Fucking hell. The way they’re portraying themselves you’d think that the NYT had been the Woodward and Bernstein on this.

  174. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Speaking of which, doesn’t look like we’ll be getting a peace & friendship dividend from the billions we’ve invested in the Solomon Islands over the years.

    We’ve been playing divide and rule in the Pacific for a long time and our chickens have come home to roost
    China is only interested in doing business.
    Perhaps the next time we have bushfires/floods/cyclones the Solomons will airlift us some shitty out of date vaccines?

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