Open Thread – Tues 19 April 2022


Crossing of the Red Sea, Nicolas Poussin, 1633-34

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Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
April 20, 2022 4:33 pm

Tried to post this earlier: Saw a comment about Labour Leader Harold Wilson which put me in mind of the Australian Labor leader:
Anthony Albanese is going round and round the country stirring up apathy

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 4:34 pm

Yes so we were better off when the government run those power stations

No, we were not!

Building and running a power station is all about:

• Spending a very big bunch of capital upfront on heavy engineering.
• Buying a big bunch of coal on a steady demand basis;
• Spending regular big bunches of capital on boiler refits, mills, etc;
• Maintaining the joint.
• Sending power out by load following, or nomination.

Private enterprise actually has no material advantage in doing these things.

Government has a particular advantage. Its cost of capital is significantly lower than the private sector, and its shareholders don’t usually expect capital parsimony, an 18%+ ROI ,and affordable electricity.

It’s one of the very few industrial activities governments do well.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 4:34 pm

Dover – The Mariupol situation is coming down to the Azov steelworks pocket. That place has such heavy infrastructure that even artillery is not especially effective. (Being a metallurgist I know what metallurgy needs, which is lots of heavy structural stuff that mere artillery would bounce off of.)

There’s a real danger that Mr Putin will call in a tac nuke. As a use of such a weapon it would fit the tactical profile perfectly. Strategically and politically though the result would be global hysteria.

I really hope he does not do this.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 4:38 pm

#BREAKING China says it has signed security pact with Solomon Islands

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 4:42 pm

Bruce of Newcastle:

Winston – Here’s what a Battalion Tactical Group is made up of. I’ve seen better quality versions of this graphic but this is what I could immediately find. Captures the essence.

OK.
Interesting formation. Light on arty and engineers. More of a standardised unit than the German model, which was more an ad hoc formation with artillery/armour/engineer/infantry as available. Tailored around the immediate problem and then disbanded after the mission completed.
I don’t have examples to hand but most German Kampfgruppe usage seemed to have a large Engineer component – mainly due to the need to overcome terrain/obstacle impediments to allow armour/infantry access to enemy positions.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 4:44 pm

Private enterprise actually has no material advantage in doing these things.

Anyone who has experienced a unionised GOE may have a different point of view.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 4:51 pm

Another reason for the media/ social media blackout. Maintaining the morale of the existing formations and reservists.

Dover – Opposite of that. Social media is pushing heroic sacrifices. Eg the gorgeous Ukrainian lady fighters dying heroically (there’ve been several of them on Visegrad 24). Designed to foster fury, and that I think is the general vibe. Social media is an extension of social consciousness a lot of the time.

There’s a nihilistic flavour on the UKR side. Valkyries riding and whatnot. Very emotional and not especially conducive for rational diplomatic outcomes.

Makka
Makka
April 20, 2022 4:51 pm

Depiction of the Azovsteel works and tunnel system. Built for a nuclear attack.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQvOlvVVIAQDBIE?format=jpg&name=small

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 4:55 pm

He’s such great value. He never stops and always goes in for the kill. The younger articulate Trumpster and just as fearless.

DeSantis looks to hold Twitter board ‘accountable’ for response to Musk’s buyout bid

calli
calli
April 20, 2022 5:00 pm

*rotates dial….bzzzzt…pop*

Checking in from beautiful downtown Cobar. The sun is shining and the air is crispening. Dinner at the mighty Empire Hotel tonight – choice of schnittie, parmie or steak. What’s not to love about Australia?

The countryside is as green as and everything looks fresh as new paint. The only downside to the 8hr trip was much…much roadworks and extremely officious lollypop personages. Everyone else involved was either scratching their behinds or leaning on shovels.

Spotted at Denman – several weirdos walking around in the fresh air in masks. They must like their own fumes.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 20, 2022 5:02 pm

It’s one of the very few industrial activities governments do well.

It’s true that from Monash’s SECV onward for many decades the lights stayed on.
But the problem at present isn’t privatisation. In the decade or thereabouts after Victoria’s privatisations the lights stayed on and electricity was cheaper.
Our problem now is that we’re in the worst of all possible worlds – fantasyland government regulatory interference propagated by green-tinged theorists with no skin in the game*, but the actual risk/reward element being in the hands of the grubbiest of spivs whose only real talent is in gaming financial systems.
*Or so they think. If people for whom the weekly grocery bill is a significant expense lose enough freezer-loads of food because of blackouts, piano wire time isn’t out of the question.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 5:03 pm

Why would RUS bother? Whatever is left in Azovstal has no offensive capabilities. They will simply isolate whatever is left and slowly clear the area. It’s done.

flood it

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 20, 2022 5:07 pm

Anyone who has experienced a unionised GOE may have a different point of view.

Have to agree with the Bear here.
Victorian State public sector unions could turn the miracle of the loaves and fishes into mass starvation and billions of dollars of debt.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:09 pm

Why would RUS bother? Whatever is left in Azovstal has no offensive capabilities.

Dover, please. Mariupol is essential to Mr Putin as the key link between Russia and Crimea. That geographic linkage is not feasible without full uncontested control. He has to have it in hand before any peace negotiations. That means either his guys must go in and take on the defenders, which would be catastrophically bloody, or they have to be neutralized in some other way. A tac nuke is absolutely perfect for the job: limited affected area, enough power to disintegrate even a blast furnace. Unfortunately for Mr Putin the political fallout would be worse than the nuclear fallout.

I think the Russians will take the place. But at what price? The choice between siege, assault and nuking is a bummer. Each has a seriously painful cost.

dopey
dopey
April 20, 2022 5:10 pm

ABC: PM ‘continues’ to support ‘hand picked’ candidate in Warringah.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 20, 2022 5:13 pm

Bruce of N

The BTG looks very like a Motor Rifle Battalion reinforced to enable it to operate away from its parent Regiment for a specific task. Or the remnants of a Motor Rifle Regiment reorganised to continue operating.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Tim

You may not recall as you were too young. The unions essentially ran the electricity/energy side of the nation and we had strikes all the time resulting in power shortages. Nothing good ever comes from government controlled enterprise. We had blackouts as a result of the strikes.

These days the left tries to blame privatization for the mess we’re in, but the system we have now is essentially run along fascist economic principles. This means, the government sets a morass of regulations, companies then absorb the additional regulatory costs burdens and pass it on to the consumer.

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 20, 2022 5:17 pm

BoN, you seem a big supporter of The New World Odour?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:18 pm

Checking in from beautiful downtown Cobar.

I like Cobar. Serious amounts of copper, gold, silver, lead and zinc to be had there.
Had a nice flight to Cobar once where I met our lady metallurgical director. Seriously competent. And she liked science fiction, so we talked SF in the Cessna on the way to Bourke (or maybe Nyngan, can’t recall which). Later I ran into her again at Townsville Airport, as you do. Australia is mostly made up of airport lounges.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 5:19 pm

Anyone who has experienced a unionised GOE may have a different point of view.

Bear: I’ve followed several coal fired power stations from government ownership to private hands. I’ve also had the regular opportunity to compare operations in private and government-owned.

All just as unionised; all operate with similar staffing in pretty much the same way.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:25 pm

BoN, you seem a big supporter of The New World Odour?

Which one?

World Economic Forum Envisions a New World Order (2019)

Russia And China Are Leading A New ‘World Order,’ Russian Foreign Minister Says (30 Mar)

I think I will stick to my current world order thanks, which at the Cafe currently features hungry currawongs and cockatoos.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
April 20, 2022 5:25 pm

JCsays:
April 20, 2022 at 5:17 pm

JC, it’s true that I don’t recall them but I believe it. I’d believe almost any story of catastrophe created by Victorian public sector unions.
And the fascism comment is 100% correct.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 5:27 pm

…fantasyland government regulatory interference propagated by green-tinged theorists with no skin in the game…

No argument there.
But that’s mostly downstream of generation.

If one was stupid enough to decide on windmills as the way to go, GovCo would still produce a cheaper train wreck than AGL/Origin on generation.

It’s simple a DCF calculation, using same capex, +/- the same opex, and unit output price adjusted to give either a 5% ROI, or 18%.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:27 pm

The BTG looks very like a Motor Rifle Battalion

BJ – I’d say more a panzergrenadier formation, with those nifty halftracks the Germans had.

I loved the Avalon Hill Panzerblitz boardgame.

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 20, 2022 5:28 pm

Stalingrad occurred because of Hitler not in spite of him ..

One of the great myths of the war. He wanted the river cut to deny the Russians oil and is quoted many times as saying it wasn’t important.

Given many German units were at the end of their collective tether, ie regiments that were little more than two reinforced companies(300ish men) and food was already short going into Stalingrad. Once 6th Army was surrounded, breakout was never feasible and at that point the orders were to fight to the last man/bullet to keep as many Soviet units as occuppied as possible.
I think this TIKhistory explains the operational (not tactical or strategic)need to enter Stalingrad.
https://youtu.be/rK0SuYi4Hho

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 5:29 pm

Shatterzzz;

Stalingrad occurred because of Hitler not in spite of him .. the “higher level” obeyed .. the “sharp end” followed their orders ..

The estrangement between Hitler and the OKW/OKH commanders was the principal reason for the failure of Germany’s war efforts (apart from all the other causes).
I’ve spoken of them before but they bear repeating.
The first Russian winter caused casualties far beyond what was logical – for both sides. Russia lost hundreds of thousands in hopeless defensive battles that served only minor strategic importance. Germany wasted casualties in the supremely over confident Operation Taifun – the offensive that overextended German capabilities and ended up in the Rzhev Pocket. Better to have not tried to take Moscow and winter on the solid line that could be held with minimal and sub par troops.
The Luftwaffe field Divisions were an utter waste of good men who should have been fed through the army training and replacement program. As it was, the 230,000 men could have been put into the units in front of Moscow, and instead Halder took the replacements that should have gone to Army Group South for the Plan Blue Offensive.
Anyway, the issue was that as Stalin was coming to trust his Generals in the end of 1942 and allowing them leeway in their operational planning, Hitler was distrusting his own, and with good reason.
Both leaders in effect swapped management positions and techniques at the same time.

rickw
rickw
April 20, 2022 5:29 pm

#BREAKING China says it has signed security pact with Solomon Islands

Ausmong Government to busy fucking Australians to do their actual job.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 5:30 pm

As Chris Farley would say.

This is going to leave a scar.

Shares of Netflix cratered more than 25% on Tuesday after the company reported a loss of 200,000 subscribers during the first quarter.
It’s the first time the streamer has reported a subscriber loss in more than a decade.
Netflix blamed increased competition, password sharing as well as inflation and the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine for the stagnant subscriber growth.

calli
calli
April 20, 2022 5:32 pm

It’s interesting to reflect on pre-grid electricity supply to Sydney. Lots of little power stations dotted all around the harbour – Pyrmont, Balmain, Rozelle and others. Many…many blackouts according to my parents.

Then up went the mighty plants in the Hunter. Highways re-routed, dams dug, great stanchions and vast networks of lines. And guess what? Very few blackouts, usually because of local transformer faults. Now all into the dustbin.

We passed a huge solar “farm” on the way out here. I thought of rosie’s “absentee landlords” and the useless blot on the landscape.

Nothing a good hailstorm couldn’t fix.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 20, 2022 5:34 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
April 20, 2022 at 5:27 pm
The BTG looks very like a Motor Rifle Battalion

BJ – I’d say more a panzergrenadier formation, with those nifty halftracks the Germans had.

Half tracks were a compromise.

Go back to the 1980s Soviet Army, look at a MRR, break away a reinforced battalion, you have a BTG.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 5:37 pm

Bruce of Newcastle:

There’s a real danger that Mr Putin will call in a tac nuke. As a use of such a weapon it would fit the tactical profile perfectly. Strategically and politically though the result would be global hysteria.

I really hope he does not do this.

I think he would go chemical before then – the facility would be no more damaged than it is now, and chemicals are lower down on the scale in terms of pucker factor.

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 20, 2022 5:37 pm

Both leaders in effect swapped management positions and techniques at the same time.

A point TIK makes often. I’ve mentioned the parlous state of 6th Army before Stalingrad, it was the lowest priority for replacements, the 4th Panzer Army came a close second last, and any reinforcements that were going to AG South, went to the Don Bend.

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 5:43 pm

Hahaha. Chris Kenny on Sky has NSW Liberal leftard Treasurer Matt Kean trying to walk back his attempt to cancel Katherine Deves, the Liberal candidate for Warringah, What a slippery dissemblinbling creep he is. The “moderate” Photios wing of the NSW Liberals is the modern face of fascism.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 5:45 pm

I think he would go chemical before then…

Not so fast…

Ukraine: Nato will respond if Russia uses chemical weapons, warns Biden

There’s a bright red line, right there. Even the Poot couldn’t mistake that.

“We would respond if he uses it. The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use,” he said.

Oh…

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 5:45 pm

The only hope for the Liberal Party is renewal.

Hey. I can buy a small agricultural island with some hot blonde hippie chicks.

It’s only April now, but Sumer is icumen in!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 20, 2022 5:46 pm

JCsays:
April 20, 2022 at 5:17 pm
Tim

You may not recall as you were too young. The unions essentially ran the electricity/energy side of the nation and we had strikes all the time resulting in power shortages. Nothing good ever comes from government controlled enterprise. We had blackouts as a result of the strikes.

These days the left tries to blame privatization for the mess we’re in, but the system we have now is essentially run along fascist economic principles. This means, the government sets a morass of regulations, companies then absorb the additional regulatory costs burdens and pass it on to the consumer.

Years ago family member ran his labour force at $100 hr. Started doing higher priced work for ACT government, they said increase your rate to $140 hr, to cover government requirements e.g. red tape. When even higher contract work was needed the rate went to $160 hr. The same work was being done only more of it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 5:50 pm

Dr Faustus at 5:19 – may certainly be true at the plant level. I would need to be convinced it holds true at the enterprise level. Labour certainly isn’t one of the major costs of running a base load coal plant much of which is given the day it is built.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
April 20, 2022 5:50 pm

Putin is more likely to use thermobaric weapons, I would.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:51 pm

Interesting formation. Light on arty and engineers.

Winston – The problem with BTGs is the infantry component are all in armoured personnel carriers.
Which they don’t want to leave. It’s a psychological thing. False security.

Combined arms requires infantry surrounding armour, not a km behind in BMPs. This has been the problem for the Russians in Ukraine – the infantry aren’t doing their job. So the Ukrainian light infantry can get into range with their NLAWs and pot the Russian tracks, which if the Russian infantry were doing what they’re supposed to do they wouldn’t be able to do.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 20, 2022 5:52 pm

Hate to bring the Ukraine into it

Really?
Then why are you selectively quoting Anti-Putin/ Anti Russia site Infobae?

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 5:59 pm

If they’re throwing in what’s left of their air force (doing ground attack with MiG-29s wtf?) they’re getting desperate.

The USAF used all of its late Cold War era air superiority fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, F/A-18) either (or both) as strike and close air support planes.

A MiG-29 sits between a F/A-18 and F-15 as an equivalent.

This isn’t really ground-breaking news.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 5:59 pm

I think he would go chemical before then

News today of some “chemical attacks” by Russia which sounds like CS gas.
That sort of thing has a morale effect, but going the next step up would be politically perilous.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 6:02 pm

Hahahahahhahhahahahahaha But it’s independent!

New ‘independent’ party wins big green, union donors

New party receiving big sums from climate activists, Green business people and unions, but denies it’s a ‘Greens front’.

Get a load of this two super models.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 6:04 pm

Local Party.

Yeah right.

I bet London to a brick they’d travel interstate to protest against a coal mine or a pulp mill.

Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 6:04 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
April 20, 2022 at 5:51 pm
Interesting formation. Light on arty and engineers.

Winston – The problem with BTGs is the infantry component are all in armoured personnel carriers.
Which they don’t want to leave. It’s a psychological thing. False security.

Combined arms requires infantry surrounding armour, not a km behind in BMPs. This has been the problem for the Russians in Ukraine – the infantry aren’t doing their job. So the Ukrainian light infantry can get into range with their NLAWs and pot the Russian tracks, which if the Russian infantry were doing what they’re supposed to do they wouldn’t be able to do.

Errr, what? I don’t think I’ve seen any pictures where the troops are riding inside the APCs. On top yes, inside no. Too vulnerable to anti armor and much easier to jump off instead of try to scramble out of. But I’m only going by what I’ve read and seen, not experience.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 6:05 pm

The USAF used all of its late Cold War era air superiority fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, F/A-18) either (or both) as strike and close air support planes.

A MiG-29 sits between a F/A-18 and F-15 as an equivalent.

Here you go Dot.

Best fighter jets in world: Top war planes ranked as Ukraine launches bid to defend skies (Express, 20 Apr)

A fun list. I didn’t agree with all of it, but the venerable F-15 came in at a very laudible #6.
You’ll have to read the story to see which birdy was #1.

Ed Case
Ed Case
April 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Labor may not win any extra seats in Queensland and could lose Lilley and Moreton after Anthony Albanese’s underwhelming campaign performance so far, Griffith University associate professor Paul Williams says.

Today’s AFR [paywalled]
Is horrific [for Labor] internal Polling the reason they’re banging on about Medicare Co-Payments and a Pensioner Cash Card?

Struth
April 20, 2022 6:05 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 6:06 pm

I would need to be convinced it holds true at the enterprise level.

The problem starts at enterprise level when Masters of the Universe realise they can game the ‘market’ rules set by knobgobblers who are trying to force political market outcomes.

It is a little bit different in WA.

Not often that you see a mildly inefficient, but well-meaning vertically integrated gentailer like Western Power Corporation (circa 2006) turned into a shitstorm of shockingly inefficient competing GOC fiefdoms.

But it can be done.

Struth
April 20, 2022 6:08 pm
Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Don’t see why the Russians would nuke Azovstal, they’d be well aware it was build to shelter the workers during MAD. Pointless trying.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Diogenes:

He wanted the river cut to deny the Russians oil and is quoted many times as saying it wasn’t important.

The river could have been cut at Krasnoarmeysk, or many points east.
Yes, the river was an important oil route – the refineries were (IIRC) in Moscow. The US aid would not have made up the shortfall.

Struth
April 20, 2022 6:10 pm
Bazinga
Bazinga
April 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Bunker Busters? Destroying the egresses (except 1 or 2)?

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Number four on the list is the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, an American fighter jet purpose-built for its stealth.

LOL

Only the F-35 and F-22 are superior to an F-15C.

Nothing is nowhere as good as an F-22. NOTHING. China and Russia are shit scared, these K-Mart air superiority fighters they unsuccessfully as copy are not as bad as the Iranian ones, but they’re not much chop.

The aircraft considered third best in 2022 is China’s Chengdu J-20, which was designed as a rival to the F-22

Xi Xiping needs to perform at the next Melbourne Comedy Festival.

The highest ranked fighter jet of the year is the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II, which is considered the most advanced in the world.

No. The F-22 is so far ahead in air to air combat it doesn’t even fight other planes, it just blows them up.

America doesn’t need to make another “fighter” for a while. They’re probably already flying a new bomber secretly, as the F-117 and B-2 were secretly flown for years.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 6:14 pm

I’m only going by what I’ve read and seen

Several ambush vids are on the net. Jav team offs a T-72 in a column, no infantry out. This one is classic. If the advance was with infantry patrols that would not be possible.

miltonf
miltonf
April 20, 2022 6:15 pm

How about “We were better off when Engineers ran those power stations?” instead of politicians, lawyers, and assorted spivs.

Agree- the old Electricity Commission under Harold Conde were pretty impressive.

Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 6:20 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
April 20, 2022 at 6:14 pm
I’m only going by what I’ve read and seen

Several ambush vids are on the net. Jav team offs a T-72 in a column, no infantry out. This one is classic. If the advance was with infantry patrols that would not be possible.

Thanks for the example, I’ve not gone hunting for anything one way or the other. Though that is dated a month ago, I’d expect survivors to have learned a thing or two by now. It’s a rather brutal selection process.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 6:20 pm

Admittedly it is around 15 years since we were consulting in the electricity sector. Certainly the interplay of electricity and politics hasn’t made it any easier – and I’m not sure it was easy to begin with. Like Oil & Gas the numbers soon get big.

miltonf
miltonf
April 20, 2022 6:21 pm

So much ‘privatisation’ is absurd when the ‘private’ owner turns out to be a owned by a foreign government eg China or France. Stupidity on stilts.

Diogenes
Diogenes
April 20, 2022 6:22 pm

The river could have been cut at Krasnoarmeysk, or many points east.

But the Germans needed the railway into Stalingrad for logistics, hence my statement about needing Stalingrad for operational not tactical or strategic reasons.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 6:22 pm

Just watched a “real world” style interview where a chick demands a 6’3″ man (because she’s 6’1″ with heels on…), she’s young and in college…let’s say she’s picky, wants a fit dude who is also white and earns six figures and under 30.

https://igotstandardsbro.com/

My ideal man

not married
white
at least 6′ 3″ tall
not obese
earning at least $100,000 per year

According to statistical data, the probability a guy of the U.S. male population ages 20 to 30 meets your standards is 0.0000%

that is 0.0000% of all white men in that age range

Women are basically choosing to not only not get married, but retire the human race.

Indolent
Indolent
April 20, 2022 6:23 pm
rickw
rickw
April 20, 2022 6:25 pm

“We would respond if he uses it. The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use,” he said.

Watch the Ukes use chemical weapons on their own troops to escalate this mess.

Real Deal
Real Deal
April 20, 2022 6:25 pm

Checking in from beautiful downtown Cobar. The sun is shining and the air is crispening. Dinner at the mighty Empire Hotel tonight – choice of schnittie, parmie or steak. What’s not to love about Australia?

That sounds great Calli. Would be great to see the stars out there tonight, rather than a light-polluting spot like Sydney at present.

A few years ago my wife and I were returning to the Mid-North Coast from North West NSW. We stopped in the black of night on Thunderbolt’s Way and looked at the stars. It felt like we were in space rather than looking at it. Psalm 19 demonstrated above us.

cohenite
April 20, 2022 6:26 pm

Look at this map of the Solomans and the surrounding islands; we’re fucked.

Delta A
Delta A
April 20, 2022 6:27 pm

Checking in from beautiful downtown Cobar.

I like Cobar.

Yes, we also liked Cobar. Plenty to see, surprisingly, including a huge, open-cut gold mine. And the Big Beer Can, of course. Toohey’s, I see, as I check the pics.

A drama, though, that still worries me several years later. We arrived in the afternoon and I was cooking dinner when a large van pulled up in front of our site. The driver tried again and again to park the monster, but it seemed to have a mind of its own, snaking all over the place. Now, it’s bad form to remark on – or even appear to notice – bad van parking, but this was crazy and in the end Best Man said, “I think something’s wrong.”

Indeed it was. When he offered to help, a tearful woman leapt from the car and explained that her husband had fallen very ill in Wilcannia (c150 Ks to the west) and she’d never towed the van until then. And never parked up, of course. While BM parked the van and connected power etc, she sat in our lounge, shaking and sobbing, sipping a restoring Chardy.

BM said that her husband, still in the passenger seat, mumbled thanks and an apology and instantly passed out again. He looked very poorly indeed. Wife and I located the address for the hospital, BM helped him into their car and off they went.

I left dinner for them outside their van. She called in next morning to return the plate and said they’d kept hubby in for checks. But she was determined to leave with him that day and head for home on the coast, some 800ks away.

I wish I knew how she managed and if he survived the trip.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 6:27 pm

Nothing is nowhere as good as an F-22. NOTHING.

Hehe, Dot I see you enjoyed the story as much as I did! I love the Express, they’re fun.

The F-35 compared with a F-22 is like comparing a Swiss Army Knife to Croc Dundee’s chunk of sharpened metal. I admit I have three Swiss Army knives lying around the Cafe somewhere but no bowies.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 6:28 pm

Not so fast…

Ukraine: Nato will respond if Russia uses chemical weapons, warns Biden

There’s a bright red line, right there. Even the Poot couldn’t mistake that.

senior public servants have been alerted to probable general mobilisation.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 6:30 pm

Look at this map of the Solomans and the surrounding islands; we’re fucked.

yep

Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 6:30 pm

Dotsays:
April 20, 2022 at 6:22 pm
Just watched a “real world” style interview where a chick demands a 6’3? man (because she’s 6’1? with heels on…), she’s young and in college…let’s say she’s picky, wants a fit dude who is also white and earns six figures and under 30.

https://igotstandardsbro.com/

My ideal man

not married
white
at least 6? 3? tall
not obese
earning at least $100,000 per year

According to statistical data, the probability a guy of the U.S. male population ages 20 to 30 meets your standards is 0.0000%

that is 0.0000% of all white men in that age range

Women are basically choosing to not only not get married, but retire the human race.

And people wonder why younger guys just drop out of society. SJW types are always banging on about men not getting the message about being sexist, racist, etc. but I think it’s the opposite. Too many are hearing the message that there’s no reason for them to participate in society.

So they step aside and wait for it to all burn down so they can laugh in sheer spite.

Runnybum
Runnybum
April 20, 2022 6:32 pm

I hope the Russians capture all the mercs in the Azov factory including the various countries military in there alive.
I want them also to reveal All the docs that the West has been building bio labs in Ukraine, also all the filthy money laundering the western politicians & their supporters have been up to, probably including the slime here.
Fucking delicious.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 6:33 pm

I reckon the Solomon islands would be gonsky too.

miltonf
miltonf
April 20, 2022 6:33 pm

@Winston – Thanks for the link re Longford ‘de-engineering’ was all the rage then

Real Deal
Real Deal
April 20, 2022 6:35 pm

What a slippery dissemblinbling creep he is. The “moderate” Photios wing of the NSW Liberals is the modern face of fascism.

I attended a function a year or so ago in Kean’s electorate. I performed a function at the ceremony, other local pollies were there such as Julian Leeser and Philip Ruddock. They were available and statesmenlike and stayed till everything finished. Keen left after his speech before formalities ended.

He had to get past me to the car park and as he passed me he patted me on the shoulder (I don’t know him). It was a reassuring pat to a possible constituent as though to say “I’m important, you’re a little person, I don’t care enough to stay and engage with people, but here’s a pat for you”. To clean up a phrase from an old workmate; ” I wouldn’t give him the steam off my kettle.”

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 6:38 pm

Diogenes:

A point TIK makes often. I’ve mentioned the parlous state of 6th Army before Stalingrad, it was the lowest priority for replacements, the 4th Panzer Army came a close second last, and any reinforcements that were going to AG South, went to the Don Bend.

One of the cleverest military management techniques I’ve heard of is the coterie of lower rank Officers and NCOs that FM Montgomery had in 21st Army Group.
A dozen or so men who he had confidence in would do the rounds of his formations and come back with an accurate picture of the armies in the field and not the sanitised version FM Montgomery would get from his Generals.
Of course, the Generals were pissed off with the activities, but had they been more forthcoming with problems instead of glossing over them, it would not have been necessary.

Real Deal
Real Deal
April 20, 2022 6:40 pm

New ‘independent’ party wins big green, union donors

New party receiving big sums from climate activists, Green business people and unions, but denies it’s a ‘Greens front’.

Get a load of this two super models.

For the love of Pete JC, I clicked on that link! They had to pour them into those t-shirts.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 6:42 pm

Bluey

The worst thing of all is the young men know they women are lied to, but the women don’t come to terms with it until they’re too old to conceive. A friend of mine admitted to me she blew her chances at being a mother, and she’ll regret it until the day she dies

On 90 day fiance (I know, roast me) there is a 52 year old chick who wants to have kids.

Pretty sure a gal I knew is an alpha widow too. Well to do, early 30s, from a well to do family and a single mother, seemingly by choice. At a point pride becomes vanity and even pathological narcissism.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 6:43 pm

A dozen or so men who he had confidence in would do the rounds of his formations

“Phantom’, of which David Niven was a member.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 6:47 pm

My ideal man

not married
white
at least 6? 3? tall
not obese
earning at least $100,000 per year

I have this odd feeling that she is not exactly the ideal for a guy who’s 6’3″, white, unmarried, slim and who earns over $100k. I also have this odd feeling that such a guy would run screaming in terror away from such a gal. I think I would and I’m only 6’2 and 3/4″.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
April 20, 2022 6:53 pm

Look at this map of the Solomans and the surrounding islands; we’re fucked.

Hey man, if China are between us and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it’s not all bad.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 6:53 pm

I hope the Russians capture all the mercs in the Azov factory including the various countries military in there alive.

Most of the guys in the Azov factory are Azov nasties who Vlad wants to de-nastify.
I think they’ve decided to die in battle rather than be tortured to death.
Memo to Mr Putin: always give your enemies an exit pathway.
Costs a lot less if you do that. Just saying.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 6:54 pm

Doc Faustus:

There’s a bright red line, right there. Even the Poot couldn’t mistake that.

“We would respond if he uses it. The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use,” he said.

Oh…

Depends – If Russia was to claim the Ukrainian forces had chemical weapons before they used theirs, it becomes a case of “he said/they said.” Especially if Russia was to be able to display multiple ‘victims’ of chemical warfare to the Western Media.
NATO doesn’t have chemical weapons, so they claim. So it only leaves them with retaliatory nukes. Who would authorise use of the retaliatory forces if they do get used? Biden? The NATO Secretary General?
This whole NATO encroachment on Russia thing is getting out of control.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 6:58 pm

Bruce of Newcastle:

Combined arms requires infantry surrounding armour, not a km behind in BMPs. This has been the problem for the Russians in Ukraine – the infantry aren’t doing their job. So the Ukrainian light infantry can get into range with their NLAWs and pot the Russian tracks, which if the Russian infantry were doing what they’re supposed to do they wouldn’t be able to do.

Correct.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 20, 2022 6:58 pm

Once the Russians take their objectives, the Ukes will give up, right?
They just cede the territory and not try to retake it with ever increasing supplies of superior western weaponry?
Vlad can’t stop this without controlling the entire country or attacking NATO neighbours.
Putin loses no matter what.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
April 20, 2022 7:03 pm

On 90 day fiance (I know, roast me) there is a 52 year old chick who wants to have kids.

I swear the first time I read that sentence I misread it as:
On 90 day finance there is a 52 year old chick who wants to have kids.

I guess if you can take it for a spin and return her within 90 days for a full refund instead of fully purchasing it’s okay.

bespoke
bespoke
April 20, 2022 7:04 pm

NATO will only conveniently respond and a token one at most.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 7:05 pm

Bruce of Newcastle:

Twelve Ukrainian militaries experienced breathing problems, and their eyes became red after russian troops’ attack near the city of Izium, Kharkiv Region.

Sounds like a cheap Asian perfume my wife brought back from Bali.
I have since used it as an accelerant for getting rid of a semi decomposed cat I found in the back yard.
Perhaps perfume in a litre bottle isn’t a good buy – but it does burn well.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 7:07 pm

Get a load of this two super models.

Does anyone recognise them?
Elbows daughters?

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 7:08 pm

link! They had to pour them into those t-shirts.

Dot at 6:42 – think that is very much true of Gen X chicks. Millennials hitting child rearing age know they were sold a pup. Most girls I knew from uni went on to have kids and family, including a few you probably wouldn’t have expected. Biology is a pretty powerful force.

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 7:09 pm

We’re less than a minute in to the Sky News leaders debate and Elbow has blown it. He’s trying to convince Australia it needs radical change. Australia needs radical change only if you’re a Trotskyist radical like Elbow.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
April 20, 2022 7:12 pm

Should i be the first to say that Catherine Deves is quite the fine lookin’ femme?

shatterzzz
April 20, 2022 7:12 pm

The estrangement between Hitler and the OKW/OKH commanders was the principal reason for the failure of Germany’s war efforts (apart from all the other causes).

I think using “estrangement” for the differences between Hitler & his army commanders is a mild way of putting it .. Hitler took control of the entire military apparatus tho seemed to favour his own, virtually, non existent military leadership expertise primarily on the army .. there was no one in the German High Command that was going to, forcefully, argue against his decisions as they knew the consequences of such folly .. occasionally, if caught in the right mood he did/might acquiesce to the odd change of direction but overall everyone did as they were told .. or else!
The only time I can recall anyone, actually, directly disobeying a Feuhrer Order & surviving was Albert Speer when, in 1945, Hitler ordered the destruction of Berlin only for Speer to tell him that he had ignored him .. by then, of course, it was all but over tho Speer must have thought all his Xmas’s had come at once when he left the meeting still free & alive …..

cohenite
April 20, 2022 7:12 pm

I reckon the Solomon islands would be gonsky too.

They’re gone already. Sogavare is a corrupt grifter who has been in Xi’s pocket for some time. Look at the bastard: he looks and dresses like Xi’s black sheep of the family.

None of this would have happened if Trump had not been cheated.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 7:14 pm
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 20, 2022 7:15 pm

Wally Dali says:
April 20, 2022 at 7:12 pm
Should i be the first to say that Catherine Deves is quite the fine lookin’ femme?

I’ve covered that territory as the reason the fuggly left ladies hate her.

cohenite
April 20, 2022 7:15 pm

He had to get past me to the car park and as he passed me he patted me on the shoulder (I don’t know him). It was a reassuring pat to a possible constituent as though to say “I’m important, you’re a little person, I don’t care enough to stay and engage with people, but here’s a pat for you”. To clean up a phrase from an old workmate; ” I wouldn’t give him the steam off my kettle.”

Why didn’t you deck him?

Roger
Roger
April 20, 2022 7:21 pm

None of this would have happened if Trump had not been cheated.

How did DFAT miss this?

Alas, Morrison can’t, like Putin, order a purge of the dead wood.

They’ll be back at work on Tuesday opining about the importance of climate change to Fiji.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 7:25 pm

China warns of Ukraine-style ‘tragedy’ for Asia in US Indo-Pacific plan
In a phone call with his Vietnamese counterpart, the Chinese foreign minister warns Washington’s strategy is damaging to regional peace

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 7:26 pm

Diogenes:

But the Germans needed the railway into Stalingrad for logistics, hence my statement about needing Stalingrad for operational not tactical or strategic reasons.

You’re right. I understood that while the railways didn’t connect, there was a railway ferry that would take multiple carriages/freight wagons etc. Either it was sunk or removed to prevent use by the Germans if captured.
I hadn’t seen the particular TIK episode but it does make it fairly clear the operation into the Caucuses was the right move.

jupes
jupes
April 20, 2022 7:26 pm

RSLWA has made the Dawn Service at Kings Park invitation only so I sent this little missive to them.

Your decision to make the Dawn Service at Kings Park invitation only is an utter disgrace, however it is exactly what one would expect from RSLWA. While the Anzacs risked their lives for our freedom, your craven organisation cowers before the State government and only allows the elite to attend.

Well I hope you’re all wearing your stupid masks as you hobnob with government hacks while us veterans give a genuine thanks on our driveways to those who made the ultimate sacrifice. We’ll do it without a welcome to country or haka too.

Luckily there are no original Anzacs left to witness your pathetic kowtowing to ridiculous government mandates. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.

I’ve had correspondence with the CEO of RSLWA before and he thinks I’m “a very rude man”, so I don’t expect any reply from the fuckwit.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 7:27 pm

They’ll be back at work on Tuesday opining about the importance of climate change to Fiji.

transgenderism in tuvalu

Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 7:27 pm

Dotsays:
April 20, 2022 at 6:42 pm
Bluey

The worst thing of all is the young men know they women are lied to, but the women don’t come to terms with it until they’re too old to conceive. A friend of mine admitted to me she blew her chances at being a mother, and she’ll regret it until the day she dies

On 90 day fiance (I know, roast me) there is a 52 year old chick who wants to have kids.

Pretty sure a gal I knew is an alpha widow too. Well to do, early 30s, from a well to do family and a single mother, seemingly by choice. At a point pride becomes vanity and even pathological narcissism.

One of my closest mates is extremely bitter because he has tried hard to be everything demanded of him by society, only to be used and thrown away because he’s only a tradie not the $100K, fit, handsome, man of their dreams. Part of it is he still believed in what society used to be, part of it is the way women have treated him, but he’s close to 40 now and doesn’t see much reason to keep the machinery of our society going.

Multiply that over millions of blokes under 40 and we, as a society in the “west”, are in serious trouble.

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
April 20, 2022 at 4:34 pm

Dover – The Mariupol situation is coming down to the Azov steelworks pocket. That place has such heavy infrastructure that even artillery is not especially effective. (Being a metallurgist I know what metallurgy needs, which is lots of heavy structural stuff that mere artillery would bounce off of.)

There’s a real danger that Mr Putin will call in a tac nuke. As a use of such a weapon it would fit the tactical profile perfectly. Strategically and politically though the result would be global hysteria.

Bruce, the main problem the Russians have in the steelworks isn’t the heavy infrastructure, it’s the network of tunnels which run beneath the works, see Makka’s 4:13 PM post.

https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1516342603943329796

They were designed to be bomb proof during the Cold War so the only way to get them out is via gassing if they don’t want to surrender.

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Elbow is getting slaughtered, in my opinion. There needs to be a groundswell for a change of government and Elbow doesn’t have it.

Roger
Roger
April 20, 2022 7:34 pm

transgenderism in tuvalu

That too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 20, 2022 7:34 pm

Dickless

Today’s AFR [paywalled]
Is horrific [for Labor] internal Polling

But, but, but, you assured us that the yoof would march to Labor if your mate Scotty the Stradivarius player did not condemn and disendorse the candidate for Warringah.

Roger
Roger
April 20, 2022 7:36 pm

Elbow is getting slaughtered, in my opinion. There needs to be a groundswell for a change of government and Elbow doesn’t have it.

That’s the worry….he might still form government with the help of a few independents and Greens.

shatterzzz
April 20, 2022 7:38 pm

Elbow is getting slaughtered, in my opinion. There needs to be a groundswell for a change of government and Elbow doesn’t have it.

Given that AnAl’s best asset is BRADBURY & BRADBURY’s best asset is AnAL both the main parties sides of this election campaign, apart from pix of Katherine Deves, are a farce .. LOL!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 20, 2022 7:38 pm

I have since used it as an accelerant for getting rid of a semi decomposed cat I found in the back yard.

Winston – It’s the stuff of life, or the odour of its demise anyway. A small Cafe story:

A pong at the Cafe last week was the sign of the passing of a resident. A young rainbow lorikeet, which I’d mentioned last year. Neighbour had handed him over the fence, whereupon he immediately bit me. He had no flight feathers. I put him in a cage hoping he’s grow some (he was a juvenile, with a brown beak.) Two months, still no flight feathers, so I rang up Hunter Wildlife Rescue. “I have a lorikeet with no flight feathers” says I. “Ah, a runner” says HWR person. She says sorry, it’s infectious, best thing that I can do is take it to vet for green needle. Oh. Bummer. Nope, sorry not doing that.

“Runners” I found are young raindow lorikeets suffering from beak and feather disease. A sad nickname for fine birdies with a disease they can’t help having.

Anyway, I couldn’t keep leper lorikeet because that would be illegal. So I let him go into a flowering bush near my carport. Which he liked. And so he stayed, eating bread provided by me and sipping on the small white flowers. A friend, for the last four months, until a couple weeks ago when he suddenly lost his appetite. Something had happened. A disease or an accident, I dunno. Then he disappeared, only to leave a brief passing odour a few days later A small sad loss of one of God’s innocent critters.

cohenite
April 20, 2022 7:38 pm

Elbow is getting slaughtered

He’s a conniver and is presenting a blend of slippery shit and polite jabs. Scomo knows his stuff and is possibly the best politician I’ve heard at condensing difficult stats.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 7:38 pm

Albo is what you can become kids if you spend 26 years in Govmint and then put your hand up to be the next PM.

So stay close to your desk and never go to sea
And you too could be
the Leader of a minority ..govmint

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 7:39 pm

Laughing out loud. Elbow reckons Australia’s economic performance is due to the Hawke-Keating government.

Top Ender
Top Ender
April 20, 2022 7:39 pm

Tuned in after dinner to the debate – recorded it in case it had adverts.

10 minutes in and boring. Housing and nursing, and “everything is fairly good but could be better”.

Audience seem asleep. I presume there are no zingers allowed. Credlin at least said beforehand that she hopes someone asks “what is a woman?”

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:40 pm

Debate? I chose a good night to eat at the pub.

Roger
Roger
April 20, 2022 7:42 pm

Laughing out loud. Elbow reckons Australia’s economic performance is due to the Hawke-Keating government.

To which he was an economic adviser.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 7:43 pm

That’s the worry….he might still form government with the help of a few independents and Greens.

That’s my concern – an Albanese Government with Greens support.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:43 pm

If Australia gives the L/NP-ALP-GRN axis 80% + of the primary vote, we get what we deserve.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Prime Minister, what is best in life?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 7:46 pm

Albo presents as someone who doesn’t believe in what he’s saying…as though he is reading a brochure to the audience.
Scomo is looking relaxed and tanned.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:46 pm

Your decision to make the Dawn Service at Kings Park invitation only is an utter disgrace, however it is exactly what one would expect from RSLWA. While the Anzacs risked their lives for our freedom, your craven organisation cowers before the State government and only allows the elite to attend.

Well I hope you’re all wearing your stupid masks as you hobnob with government hacks while us veterans give a genuine thanks on our driveways to those who made the ultimate sacrifice. We’ll do it without a welcome to country or haka too.

Luckily there are no original Anzacs left to witness your pathetic kowtowing to ridiculous government mandates. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.

What a beautiful piece of prose.

Thanks for telling the fascist pricks to get fucked, they truly deserve it.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 7:46 pm

Bluey:

And people wonder why younger guys just drop out of society. SJW types are always banging on about men not getting the message about being sexist, racist, etc. but I think it’s the opposite. Too many are hearing the message that there’s no reason for them to participate in society.

Too true.
And a dog is cheaper.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 7:47 pm

Fuck they do look like bookends though. (Albo and Scomo).

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 7:47 pm

He’s a conniver and is presenting a blend of slippery shit and polite jabs. Scomo knows his stuff and is possibly the best politician I’ve heard at condensing difficult stats.

He’s actually amazing in that respect. Too bad, though, he’s a spineless amoeba.

shatterzzz
April 20, 2022 7:48 pm

Interesting! .. something that never gets any publicity when the “environmental” aspects of TESLA batteries are mentioned .. LOL!

https://ibb.co/cLMy5Cw

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 7:48 pm

Dot, the LNP-ALP primary vote, according to this week’s polling, is about 70% of the total primary vote — a record low. The major parties are being abandoned because they’re shit.

Real Deal
Real Deal
April 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Cohenite
Why didn’t you deck him?

I’m a man a peace.
Though I was sorely tempted to do the Benny Hill head-slapping thing like he used to do with Little Jacky Wright on the Benny Hill Show.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Runnybum:

I hope the Russians capture all the mercs in the Azov factory including the various countries military in there alive.
I want them also to reveal All the docs that the West has been building bio labs in Ukraine, also all the filthy money laundering the western politicians & their supporters have been up to, probably including the slime here.
Fucking delicious.

Westerners alive today have never thought of themselves as the baddies. Those scales have been quite rudely lifted the last couple of years.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 7:51 pm

Bwahaha. Audience member with tie die face mask.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:51 pm

Dot, the LNP-ALP primary vote, according to this week’s polling, is about 70% of the total primary vote — a record low. The major parties are being abandoned because they’re shit.

What a beautiful set of numbers to literally “pour” over.

Albo reminds me of Harry Reid.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 7:55 pm

But why do they need to care about the primary vote if the votes return through preferences? The two big big parties don’t give a shit for this reason. It would be a concern if the lack of primary support was listing to one side. But it’s not.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
April 20, 2022 7:55 pm

Apologies, as you were then Gez. Paysants have a good eye for fillies.
IMO, the parliament Midwinter Ball is an opportunity wasted by the parties, , and not only because so many of them are too ugly for showbiz. A photo of a genuine lady- say, Nicolle Flint- frocked and dancing with a well brought-up man – say, for instance Alex Antic- would be an image that many aussies young and old would warm to, and many pinkos would not be able to tolerate for the tears of rage and confusion. Confusion not only of facing the platonic complimentary of women and men arm in arm, but of the hint that being bodily disciplined, having your shit together mentally go hand in hand, and it equals havingyour life on track for success.

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 7:56 pm

Laughing out loud again. Elbow says it’s an “outrageous slur” that he’s on the side of the Chinese Communist Party. Too funny.

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 7:58 pm

If their primary vote goes below 30% individually, they are threatened.

Maybe I’m wrong but once their image as the “natural” parties of government goes, then it’s on for young and old.

The enemy has only images and illusions behind which he hides his true motives. Destroy the image, and you will break the enemy.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:00 pm

miltonfsays:
April 20, 2022 at 6:33 pm

My pleasure, Milton, I have had many run ins with people who are incapable of noticing the difference between an “Action Plan” and the hardware necessary to achieve it.
Rudd was a master at this sort of denial – wave a piece of paper and think it’s all that’s necessary. Then when things go to shit, are completely lost.
Like what is happening to our Electrical Grid, our Immigration Policies (And if there is a famine in Indonesia, how are they going to deal with it?) and the diesel/petrol shit fight, what have they learnt about the Ad Blue debacle?
It’s like watching a teenager go around a house sticking knives into power points but insisting they know what they’re doing. “They didn’t do it right.”

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 8:00 pm

If their primary vote goes below 30% individually, they are threatened.

Perhaps, however of preferences get them to 50% plus one vote then they’re okay.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:02 pm

First order of business for Albos Govmint would be to call a Summit and get the best of celebrity minds together to tell us how wrong everything is. Then develop a report and maybe one or two recommendations over the following 2 years and prepare for the next election.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

But why do they need to care about the primary vote if the votes return through preferences?

$2.90 per vote, that’s why.

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 8:06 pm

First order of business for Albos Govmint would be to call a Summit and get the best of celebrity minds together to tell us how wrong everything is.

Kevin07, come on down!

Rabz
April 20, 2022 8:06 pm

“Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.”

And then we have our beloved Liberal Party of Australia.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 8:06 pm

Election 2022: Veterans need PM in charge to finally end compo backlog
Max Maddison
Journalist
@maxmaddison
8 minutes ago April 20, 2022
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A major ex-service organisation has called for the Prime Minister to take on the Veterans’ Affairs portfolio in a bid to remedy the 60,000 backlog of veterans’ compensation claims.

The Australian Special Air Service Association says that, by sending soldiers to war, the nation’s highest office must accept the responsibility for them on their return.

It also said the move was imperative to ensure veterans of the two-decade conflict in Afghanistan didn’t suffer the same fate as veterans of the Vietnam conflict, who returned home feeling abandoned by the political class.

In late March, Veterans’ Affairs Minister Andrew Gee threatened to resign on the eve of the federal budget after his attempts to obtain $96m to clear the massive backlog only garnered a quarter of the funding required. The 60,000 unprocessed claims, Mr Gee said at the time, was a “national disgrace”.

In the first recommendation in the organisation’s submission to the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicides, ASASA argued the Veterans’ Affairs portfolio required the gravitas of the Prime Minister’s Office – either Labor or Liberal – to resolve the extensive waiting times for compensation claims.

“If a prime minister stamps their personal imprimatur behind care, funding and support for veterans including claims management, a signal of national determination is sent to all involved,” the submission said.

“Prime ministers must give as much personal attention to the aftermath of war and its human wreckage as they do to the heroic declarations of it, even when we lose the fight, if mistakes are made or if it becomes an unpopular war.”

The submission argued that the portfolio’s junior ministers under consecutive governments had struggled to obtain the requisite funding which had resulted in the “unacceptable backlog in veterans claims for personal injury”.

ASASA national chairman Martin Hamilton-Smith pointed to former prime minister Tony Abbott’s decision to take on the portfolio of Aboriginal Affairs during his tenure, saying most of the legwork could be done by an assistant minister, but the problems required “leadership at the highest level”.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:07 pm

Albo wants the economy to work for people not the other way around. WTF does that mean?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 8:08 pm

Rudd was a master at this sort of denial – wave a piece of paper and think it’s all that’s necessary.

Why does an image of Neville Chamberlain spring to mind?

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 8:09 pm

$2.90 per vote, that’s why.

Is this the financial support that comes from the state?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:11 pm

Audience member claiming Sky was biased timewise against Albo.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:14 pm

Jupes:

I’ve had correspondence with the CEO of RSLWA before and he thinks I’m “a very rude man”, so I don’t expect any reply from the fuckwit.

Where on Earth did he get that impression?
Is there another place you could organise a counter service?

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:15 pm

Jupes, I just reread my post – No not that sort of counter service, an alternate place?

Tom
Tom
April 20, 2022 8:16 pm

Audience member claiming Sky was biased timewise against Albo.

I don’t think tonight changed any minds, just reinforced people’s previous positions.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Is this the financial support that comes from the state?

Yep.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Audience member claiming Sky was biased timewise against Albo.

She sat there with a stopwatch, timing them?
(Union plant)

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:19 pm

Roger:

transgenderism in tuvalu

I read that as “transgenderism in gerbils.” I have no idea why. The page was scrolling up as I read it but still…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 8:19 pm

Election 2022: Would-be MP Monique Ryan’s policies a mystery
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The independent climate candidate Monique Ryan will go to the polls without a workable tax policy or a manifesto on defence amid the China regional build-up.

A constituent in the hotly contested Victorian seat of Kooyong extracted concessions from Ms Ryan’s campaign in a series of questions on key policy questions, including tax increases, imposts for self-funded retirees, budget ­repair, defence, China and the pandemic.

Ms Ryan’s campaign director, Ann Capling, told constituent Tim Gillespie, a Liberal Party member, that it would not be the candidate’s role to make tax policy or to decide whether to go to war.

This was because she would, if elected, sit on the crossbench and not be responsible for either running the government or acting as a formal opposition.

“Dr Ryan would not be making tax policies or declaring war,” Dr Capling wrote to Mr Gillespie.

“In her meetings with Kooyong residents, she has been hearing about people’s desire for more ­urgent climate action, for an ­economy that invests in Aus­tralian innovation, renewable energy and clean technology, and for the end of secrecy, rorts and corruption across so many areas of government.

“These are her priority areas where she would use her voice and vote in parliament to secure Australia’s future.”

Mr Gillespie is a Liberal supporter who said he did not agree with all positions taken by Scott Morrison, adding he believed if Dr Ryan were to win the seat, she should have detailed policies on major areas including tax.

When he received only a part answer to his questions, he tried a second time to extract a response on issues included self-funded retirees. “There’s no real detail on anything,” he said.

“There is almost a cult-like situation in Kooyong. I have an interest in politics and the truth.”

Dr Ryan is considered a solid chance of defeating Josh Frydenberg in Kooyong, which is held by the Liberal Party with a margin of 6.4 per cent.

A spokesman for Dr Ryan said Mr Gillespie had failed to declare he was a Liberal member in his list of questions and had “trolled” Dr Ryan’s campaign. “Writing long emails demanding detailed responses to policy matters is a well-known tactic used by the Liberal Party to try to waste the time of volunteers working on campaigns of their opponents,’’ he said.

“As you can see, Mr Gillespie is deploying time-worn tactics to attempt to cause minor disruptions to an opponent’s campaign.’’

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 8:20 pm

Further comment to a piece, about a week ago, which discussed a French economist’s thoughts suggesting the Russian economy is much bigger if comparisons are made through PPP. Instead of being the size of Spain when comparisons are made through currencies, PPP (purchasing power parity) showed the Russian economy to be about the size of Germany, according to the Frog. This could be correct as I checked a couple of sites and they more or less indicated the same thing.

Maybe so, at least, before the war. The sanctions and the other restrictions have turned that argument on its head. There is a very strong case to make in support of PPP over the long term when the currency is somewhat convertible, even if there are some restrictions with respect to its convertibility. The Rubble is no longer internationally convertible and if it is accepted, Russian imports would trade at a huge premium and similarly exports at a huge discount. The idea that the Rubble has gone back to its old level pre-war is a Russian made mirage. It’s total bullshit.

These days the Russian economy is probably 50% smaller than before the invasion. If it’s not there yet, it will be soon enough. Furthermore, there is no rebound from this.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:21 pm

I agree Tom. Tonites Wouldn’t have shifted too many minds. I thought Albo as a challenger really needed to really nail it and be at least the equal of the incumbent. I didn’t get that impression.

Sky now banging on about how Albo would consider it a win as he didn’t stuff up big time. Talk about setting a very low bar of expectation.

Struth
April 20, 2022 8:24 pm

Coolum: Saturday 16 April

United Australia Party unveils plan to defend Australia’s freedom

ENACTING a Bill of Rights outlawing lockdowns, protecting the right of all Australians to choose

medical treatment and preserving freedom of speech will be the United Australia Party’s first task

when elected to government, party leader Craig Kelly said today.

“The Australian Constitution has no greater purpose than to protect and defend our freedom and the

nation’s security,’’ Mr Kelly said at the United Australia Party’s official campaign launch at Palmer

Coolum Resort.

“The Constitution must become the hallmark of freedom and the United Australia Party will propose

changes to the Constitution to ensure freedom forever for all Australians.

“Our country is in crisis. The Liberals and Labor are keeping Australians in the dark. The Liberals and

Labor are just waiting until after the election to lock us all down and destroy Australia’s economic

prosperity.”

Mr Kelly said the trillion dollars of debt Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg had run up would destroy

the lives of all Australians unless urgent steps were taken to stop it.

“The Liberals and Labor’s trillion dollars of debt ensures that home loan interest rates will rise to

above 6% pa and in doing so 80% of Australians will default on their mortgages and lose their homes.

“They will be out on the street dependent of government handouts and government control to survive.

“Only the United Australia Party team can save Australian’s homes. We will pass a law limiting all

home loan interest rates to be below 3% interest rate for the next five years to save Australians’

homes and their way of life.

“For Australians who own their own home we will preserve the value of their property by avoiding the

great bargain sell off that awaits all Australians if we allow the trillion dollars of Liberal and Labor debt

to destroy Australia’s economy.”

Mr Kelly said the United Australia Party had a clear plan to repay the debt and free Australia and

future generations from burden.

“There is over fifty trillion dollars invested in Asian manufacturing which dominates world trade.

Australia is the biggest supplier of iron ore to Asia and allows Asia to dominate the manufacturing

export market because they have access to Australian iron ore. Asia has no alternative,’’ Mr Kelly

said.

The United Australia Party will introduce a 15% export licence payable on the export of all iron ore

from Australia and those funds will be quarantined for the sole purpose of repaying the trillion dollars

of debt that the Liberals and Labor caused.

“The United Australia Party will save Australia’s triple A credit rating. We will save the homes of

Australians and increase all Australians’ living standards and wages.

“Our regional communities are the backbone of the nation and the United Australia Party is committed

to stimulating economic growth in rural areas.

“Our cities are bursting at the seams. We are faced with heavy congestion, serious housing

affordability issues and mounting cost of living pressures in our cities.

“By providing a 20% tax concession incentive to people living more than 200km from a capital city, we

can decentralise Australia and encourage people to move to or settle in regional areas. This will

provide Australians with a lower cost of living and housing affordability, and ensure our existing

infrastructure in the regions and competitive industrial land is fully utilised.

“The movement of our citizens from the cities to the regions will reduce the pressure on infrastructure

in the cities and bring prosperity to Australia.

“Regional Australia is the forgotten Australia by all political parties, as are Tasmania and the Northern

Territory.

“We need to support regional Australia by reintroducing a zonal taxation system. This will provide an

incentive to decentralise Australia and maximise the delivery of services to regional Australia.

“It will provide the incentive regional areas need to ensure that regional hospitals have doctors, and

that regional industries develop for the benefit of their communities and all of Australia.

“We have to end the discrimination against rural industries and give them the means to compete

internationally,’’ he said.

Mr Kelly said Japan had become the world’s third largest economy by processing Australian

resources.

“Wages in Japan are higher; the cost of energy is more expensive and Japan suffers from the tyranny

of distance.

“Yet Australia sells its mineral ores at $40 to $200 a ton and Japan sells final products at up to

$20,000 a ton or more. To create jobs, generate more government revenue, along with a stronger

balance of payments, the Australian government needs to encourage the use of the mineral resource

wealth of Western Australia and Queensland to support downstream manufacturing in states and

territories that don’t have those resources, such as New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania and

Victoria.

“Australia is failing to maximise revenue from its prized mineral resources by continuing to send

unprocessed ores overseas. We can use Australia’s mineral resources to kick-start our economy.”

The United Australia Party’s downstream processing policy will see more stages of the mining

process happen on Australian soil resulting in much higher returns, along with stimulating economic

growth and job creation and rising standards of living and wages.

“We can create thousands of jobs and turbo-charge our exports by processing our mineral resources

in Australia, leading to enormous revenue injection, better schools and hospitals,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“This will create jobs, increase our exports and provide greater revenue and a rising, rather than

declining, standard of living for all Australians. Higher export revenue means better education and

health services for all Australians.

“At rallies in every capital city and in regional centres, Australians, our party members and their

supporters have made it clear to the government that enough is enough.

“The freedom demonstrations across Australia have been attended by more people that Jim Cairns’

moratoriums against the Vietnam War.

“Governments never give back freedom they take from their people. The people have to take it back,’’

Mr Kelly said.

“In Sweden they have created a new skin implant where the government can add different functions

such as personal bank accounts, health history, court and other records. Face scanning technology is

being used to confirm people’s identity and geo-mapping is in place to check exactly where you are.

“Facial recognition is now in Australian schools. Every time you log on to different forms of social

media, facial technology can play a part. The Australian Government is setting up a database that will

match images of everyone pictured on CCTV with their driver’s license and passport photos. The

have dubbed the system, ‘The Capability’.

“Laws passed by Morrison and Dutton even allow the Australian Government to share our data with

third party companies that could be from overseas.

“They could sell our data back to us, sell our own medical records to us. Some people are genuinely

concerned that they are being commodified, objectified and dehumanised,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“If our government is allowed to continue with this plan of mass biometric surveillance, our lives would

never be the same. Our children would never know the freedoms we grew up with.

“Only the United Australia Party is committed to saving Australians from the overreach of power and

unwarranted control and suppression that both sides of government have shown us in the last few

years.

“When elected The United Australia Party will stop the government spying on its citizens.

“That is why our election campaign slogan for 2022 is Freedom Forever.

“Freedom includes freedom from government intimidation and from the government seeking to

interfere with the political process, our jobs and our families.”

Mr Kelly said the public had a right to know and an implied right to informed consent in respect of

medical treatments.

“Contrary to the High Court of Australia’s ruling on the implied right to political free speech, the Liberal

Government has threatened media outlets and owners with the loss of Government advertising

revenue and have imposed censorship in Australia,’’ he said.

“Every day the Labor and Liberal parties continue to disappoint the Australian people.

“The government continues to ignore hundreds of thousands of Australians in Canberra, Melbourne,

Sydney, Brisbane and Perth and right across the nation who are fighting every day for our freedom

and right to choose.

“Facebook imposes censorship by cancelling Australian’s pages if Facebook, a foreign owned

company, does not approve what Australians want to say.

“Foreign interference in our elections can’t be tolerated and once the United Australia Party is elected,

we will take immediate action to ensure Facebook respects Australian’s right to free speech.

“In 2022 the United Australia Party will restore Australia’s freedom across the country. We are part of

a great national movement.”

“Australia’s trillion dollars of debt means our economy is spiralling down and people are holding onto

their savings in fear.

“People are suffering in the Latrobe Valley in Victoria, in the Hunter region in New South Wales, at

Elizabeth in South Australia, right throughout the states of Queensland and Western Australia and all

through Tasmania.

“Australians have lost hope in the future. We have to re-establish confidence and lead the nation; not

tomorrow but now.”

Mr Kelly said Australia was the fourth largest holder of pension fund assets in the world.

“Australian super funds have around 3.5 trillion dollars and are one of the largest sources of capital in

the world, but much of it is invested in North America and Europe and does not provide economic

growth and employment for our citizens.

“Under a United Australia Party government, at least one trillion dollars of Australian super invested

off-shore will be required by law to be instead invested in our country to secure our citizens’ economic

prosperity and maintain the nation’s independence,’’ he said.

“One trillion dollars of growth injected in our economy is more money than the Liberals or Labor can

provide our country.

“It’s projected that in 2041 we will have 9.5 trillion dollars of super and that super must be deployed to

benefit our country and our people, not some foreign country.”

One of the United Australia Party’s long-standing policies is to stop the provisional tax being paid in

advance by Australian businesses, before profits have been made.

“The United Australia Party will stop this unfair tax, to allow up to an extra ninety billion dollars to

circulate in our economy and provide GST revenue for the government and more jobs for Australians.

“Every time that 90 billion is turned over it create and extra nine billion dollars in GST for Australia,’’

Mr Kelly said.

The United Australia will also abolish the Fringe Benefits Tax to release over $6 billion into the

economy.

“Fringe Benefits Tax is a negative tax. It stops Australians doing things, stifles demand and growth

and kills employment. We don’t want to penalise people for spending money. Spending money

creates wealth, jobs, and makes the pie bigger for all Australians to share,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“The United Australia Party will boost the construction industry and increase home ownership

security. We will make the first $30,000 paid on a home loan tax deductible each year and restore the

Australian dream for each Australian to own their own home.

“The United Australia Party will reduce the taxation rate on a person’s second job, which results in

higher earnings over the weekly average earning by 50 per cent, giving all Australians the incentive

and providing Government with increased revenue which would not be paid if a person didn’t have a

second job.

“Our senior citizens are paid less than others relying on government support. We must change this as

a priority. As a first step, the United Australia Party government will increase the pension for retirees

by an extra $180 a fortnight,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“Healthcare is declining every year in Australia and we cannot desert the sick or the dying.

“Our hospital staff are overworked and the capital infrastructure is not up to the projected increased

demand. Despite the extra one trillion dollars the government has borrowed, nothing has been spent

building new hospitals or investing in health care.

“Once in government, the United Australia Party will provide $40 billion additional funding for health

across Australia and will make such funding available directly to hospitals.

“The Australian government is the main petitioner of bankruptcy and company liquidations.

“As a result of business closures, employees lose their jobs. The government then loses group tax,

company tax and, in many cases, exports and GST. As a result, services in education and health

have to be cut to protect the revenue.

“If the government stopped driving business to the wall this wouldn’t happen. We will restructure the

system to keep business going and to keep people employed productively.

“We need to provide more funding for education in Australia. A free nation can rise no higher than the

standard of excellence set in the schools and colleges.

“Ignorance and illiteracy, unskilled workers and school drop-outs are failures of our education system

in the past which have bred failures in our social and economic systems, delinquency, unemployment

and chronic dependency.

“This is a waste of human resources, a loss of productive and an increase in tax supported benefits,’’

Mr Kelly said.

“The United Australia Party will inject an extra $20 billion into the education system in our first three

years in Government. It’s time to invest in ourselves and the next generation.

“We must educate our children as our most valuable resource. We must make it possible for those

with talent to go to university, but we must also ensure those who are educated can find a job after

graduating from university.

“That’s why our ability to compete internationally and to expand our exports is so important. Because

of our policy to pay back the debt the United Australia Party Australia will forgive and remove all

HECS fees.

“Most importantly, we must protect Australia. One hostile nuclear-powered submarine placed

between Singapore and Perth, and Australia would be cut off from supplies of oil from Singapore

which could close down the nation within 60 days.

“We must take immediate steps to acquire nuclear submarines now, such as the Los Angeles class

subs from the US. Now. Not in 40 years’ time,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“Our armed forces’ prime responsibility must be to protect Australia and to be a reliable ally.

“We need a stable world to expand our exports and to be a reliable member of the international

community.

“Our most important trading partners and our main allies must know that they can count on Australia.

Our defence forces need to rearm and redeploy the best technology to meet Australia’s defence

needs.

“Our army, navy and air force personnel are Australians and valuable members of society. We cannot

take their service to the nation and disregard them as Labor and the Liberals have done for the last 20

years.

“A United Australia Party government will link all service pensions to the male total average earnings.

“We will expand all gold card benefits to all peacekeepers. Gold card benefits will be automatically

delivered to the spouses of all veterans for the term of their life.”

The Australian Government needs to support Australian industries and ensure that all of its policies

are for the benefit of Australia first.

“We must encourage Australians to buy Australian produce, and the labelling and packaging regime

needs to be changed so that Australians know clearly what products are Australian.

“If the product contained in any package or container is not at least 95 per cent Australian product

then it will not have a green and gold classification and labelled Australian. Anything less should have

a red label and be marked as foreign,’’ Mr Kelly said.

The United Australia Party believes 25 per cent of the wealth generated from regions in Australia

must be returned to that region so that the wealth can be reinvested in the region that generated such

wealth.

“The Liberal and Labor parties are full of lobbyists. The United Australia Party believes that lobbyists

should be excluded from holding official positions in political parties.

“Lobbyist firms often employ former ministers from both political parties and big business can get

policy changes by paying money to such firms to represent their views. This represents a serious

conflict of interest and undermines the democracy that Australians have fought for,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“A United Australia team will legislate to restrict the role of lobbyists in directing political parties.

“Energy prices are just too high in Australia and the United Australia Party will take real action to

reduce them as the cost of energy is the key to Australia’s industrial development.

“When the ANZACs went overseas they didn’t go overseas as members of the Liberal Party or as

members of the Labor Party. They went as Australians. We need to put the idea of a class war behind

us and unite the nation,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“The Liberal government has done its absolute best to build fear over the last two years. They have

shut down every single voice which provided an alternate point of view to their narrative.

“They have silenced hundreds of doctors, they have silenced the community, they have silenced

academics they have silenced Australians who dared to ask questions and demand answers.

“The right to ask questions is fundamental to a free and open society but we have been denied that

right.

“History shows us that segregation is evil. It shows us that we must reject authoritarianism and

instead pursue more democratic and inclusive ideas. Recent history is full of examples of what an

elected government can do when it becomes emboldened with too much power.

“Governments love to use a crisis, whether real or imagined, to give themselves more power. When

they seek to subvert the democratic process because they tell the people that it’s for their safety or

their protection, we know what the usual outcome is. The usual outcome is tyranny.

“The Australian Government must bring rogue states into line. It is in the Liberals and Labor’s

interests to create fear and division. A divided society is easier to control.

“While people are busily fighting amongst each other the Liberal Party and Labor Party want to be left

free to control us unabated and unchecked.

“Labor and the Liberals have already caused too much damage to Australia, with their trillion-dollar

debt,’’ Mr Kelly said.

“If you believe, as I do, that this nation has the strength and potential to live out its heritage and fulfil

the dreams of the ANZACs, to return Australia to being the lucky country it should be, you must give

the United Australia Party your support.

“Australians can make a difference. Together we will stand up. Together we will create change.

Together we will make a better tomorrow. Freedom Forever,’’ he said.

ENDS

calli
calli
April 20, 2022 8:24 pm

Elbow is a follower. He isn’t a leader.

I wouldn’t trust him to cut a sandwich, let alone run the tuck shop.

jupes
jupes
April 20, 2022 8:28 pm

Jupes, I just reread my post – No not that sort of counter service, an alternate place?

I’m going to my dad’s driveway service. He’s been doing it for years, well before it was the only option. It will be the first Dawn Service I have with him since I was a kid in PNG. I would have gone to dad’s anyway but the ‘invitation only’ call fucking incensed me.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:28 pm

I couldn’t help thinking ahead ….should Albo get the gig and the first big issue comes along, I doubt his ability to handle the heat, defend a position. Just doesn’t seem to command the space and deliver gravitas.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:29 pm

Richos growth on his arse is coming along nicely. It now talks and wears glasses.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 8:30 pm

“We will expand all gold card benefits to all peacekeepers.

Aren’t all “peacekeepers” already eligible for a Gold Card?

Gold card benefits will be automatically delivered to the spouses of all veterans for the term of their life.”

Good luck!

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
April 20, 2022 8:31 pm

Good summary comment on Sky. ‘Both leaders playing it safe, which could cost them both dearly come election time.’

Old bloke
Old bloke
April 20, 2022 8:33 pm

Tom says:
April 20, 2022 at 7:48 pm

Dot, the LNP-ALP primary vote, according to this week’s polling, is about 70% of the total primary vote — a record low. The major parties are being abandoned because they’re shit.

Nevertheless, one faction or the other of the duopoly will win because they will preference each other instead of directing preferences to a third party. More than anything else, they want to retain their stranglehold on power.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Well said Jupes (re the harsh but justified letter to RSL)

Two things get on my goat re ANZAC Day:
1/. The concept that it is the exclusive property of the RSL.
2/. Cops in uniform turning up to the dawn service & then the march, participating as if they’re insiders to concept of Anzac Day.

Boambee John
Boambee John
April 20, 2022 8:35 pm

Tomsays:
April 20, 2022 at 7:48 pm
Dot, the LNP-ALP primary vote, according to this week’s polling, is about 70% of the total primary vote — a record low. The major parties are being abandoned because they’re shit.

Perhaps, but they have fixed the electoral system so that most valid votes in the HoR end up shared between the major parties. And they will unite against any attempt by minors in the HoR or Senate to change that, even to an optional preferential system.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
April 20, 2022 8:36 pm

Just doesn’t seem to command the space and deliver gravitas.

I don’t give a damn about his gravitas. What concerns me is that his grasp of economics is even worse than that of numbers, who we all know to be an ignorant imbecile.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 8:45 pm

Gold card benefits will be automatically delivered to the spouses of all veterans for the term of their life.”

“….in this supposedly monogamous society, a man can leave behind two widows – his legal widow and his de facto. In one notorious case, he left behind three.” “The Repat Racket”, Malcolm Smith, P 148.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
April 20, 2022 8:46 pm

I’d say Lego Masters, Master Chef and The Voice were the winners of tonight’s debate.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:52 pm

Libs of Tik Tok:
Someone put up a site showing tiktok videos of leftists bragging about how they brainwashed kids.
The site was shut down by twitter, and ….
Watch the Tucker episode where the doxxer complains about being doxed and being criticised on twitter, who then goes on to dox and harass the site owner.
They can dish it out but it’s a crime when they cop it back.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 8:52 pm

Link to the above:
Tucker.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
April 20, 2022 9:00 pm

I had to escape the ‘debate’ – it sounded like dog fight – a snarling corgi and a robust bulldog –

Bluey
Bluey
April 20, 2022 9:03 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
April 20, 2022 at 8:35 pm
Well said Jupes (re the harsh but justified letter to RSL)

Two things get on my goat re ANZAC Day:
1/. The concept that it is the exclusive property of the RSL.
2/. Cops in uniform turning up to the dawn service & then the march, participating as if they’re insiders to concept of Anzac Day.

Really got my goat last year when Andrews put strict limits on the ANZAC day march, but the footy was nearly open slather. A clear demonstration that whatever he might say, he’s got no clue what it means.

Winston Smith
April 20, 2022 9:04 pm

ZK2A:

Why does an image of Neville Chamberlain spring to mind?

Because it’s accurate.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 9:27 pm

but the footy was nearly open slather.

Wasn’t there a B.L.M. march that was also nearly open slather?

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 9:30 pm

????? ?? ?????? ??

Woe betide the Liberal Party (fools, power of a king, willing volunteers, born again virgins), but the apple harvest will be good thanks to the landlord’s daughter!

Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 9:31 pm

Well shoot. That looked good as runes.

Sumer is icumen in!

cohenite
April 20, 2022 9:40 pm

Ben Fordham eviscerated that POS matt kean today in respect of his verballing of Katherine Deves. Little johnny needs his broad church stuck up his puckering little arse.

cohenite
April 20, 2022 9:41 pm

Check out this guy and succeeding in the face of adversity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 20, 2022 9:41 pm

dover0beachsays:

April 20, 2022 at 9:00 pm

Struth, how about a paragraph and a link next time.

How dare you!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Bluey says: April 20, 2022 at 9:03 pm

Really got my goat last year when Andrews put strict limits on the ANZAC day march, but the footy was nearly open slather.

It is moments like those Bluey, which make it impossible for anybody to argue that it was about either health or science.

Correct me where I’m wrong; Weren’t marchers or attendees required to register & apply for a permit to attend, simultaneously to the march tens of thousands were free to queue to get into the grandstand at the football?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 9:47 pm

One thing about United Cloive Party; the number of good well-paying public service jobs will skyrocket.

Somebody will have to administer the umpty billion spend, adjudicate on 200km tax residency, sort out the lending crisis when 3% doesn’t cover the cost of funds, revise the Constitution, “restructure the system to keep business going and to keep people employed productively” – and peer into my SMSF to make sure my investments don’t go to naughty overseas capital markets.

Fat Bastard: offering to yank the biggest government levers in 2022.

JC
JC
April 20, 2022 9:48 pm

cohenite says:
April 20, 2022 at 9:41 pm
Check out this guy and succeeding in the face of adversity.

No as it’s likely to be a gay porn site.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 9:49 pm

Undecided voters give it to Albanese
Olivia Caisley
OLIVIA CAISLEY

Labor leader Anthony Albanese has won the first leader’s debate after a challenging first week of the election campaign in which he stumbled over key economic figures and his party’s border force policies.

Mr Albanese faced-off against Scott Morrison in Brisbane on Wednesday night and won-over 40 per cent of the 100 undecided voters in the room.

The Prime Minister by contrast convinced 35 per cent he should hold on to the top job.

The rest, 25 per cent, remain undecided.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 9:49 pm
Dot
Dot
April 20, 2022 9:51 pm

revise the Constitution

Not with the current jurisprudence used by the High Court in constitutional matters.

Move over literalism, originalism, textualism or a living constitution; French, Kiefel et. al., have authored the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia Act: Choose Your Own Adventure Edition.

H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 9:56 pm

That’s the worry….he [Albo] might still form government with the help of a few independents and Greens.

This is what should be keeping people awake at night. The Lieborals can’t afford any loses but it’s only a two horse race. Despite Albo I still can’t see how the Lieborals can pull it off.

Zipster
Zipster
April 20, 2022 10:00 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
April 20, 2022 10:03 pm

What a damning indictment on the ALPBC that one branch of the UniParty regards them as unable to present an unbiased coverage of a general election debate. What a damning indictment of that branch that they have been in government for a decade and done nothing about it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 20, 2022 10:07 pm

Anybody able to tell me the last time the Liberal candidate won one of these debates? From memory, didn’t John Howard wipe the floor with Paul Keating in 1996?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 20, 2022 10:15 pm

Correct me where I’m wrong; Weren’t marchers or attendees required to register & apply for a permit to attend, simultaneously to the march tens of thousands were free to queue to get into the grandstand at the football?

Not quite.
I didn’t go on that day, but I went to another match under similar conditions.
I have a numbered membership card with photo ID which entitles me to free entry.
I still had to book a ticket online for $0.00 and get an assigned seat.
I then had to show that ticket and QR code to get through the gate.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
April 20, 2022 10:16 pm

Mr Albanese faced-off against Scott Morrison in Brisbane on Wednesday night and won-over 40 per cent of the 100 undecided voters in the room.

The probability of 100 genuinely undecided voters self-selecting to sit through a Leaders Debate is slightly less than that Div 1 Lotto win.

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