Open Thread – Weekend 30 April 2022


A Path Through the Woods, Ivan Shishkin, 1880

1,859 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 30 April 2022”

  1. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Civil rights activists march on Georgia’s Stone Mountain to protest the return of the annual celebration of the Confederacy: Reenactors wear the Southern Cross battle flag and set off cannons
    What a bunch of wankers! .. Stone Mountain’s claim to fame, employment opportunities thru tourism all comes from the Confederate scupture but a collection of leftie f***wits ain’t happy! .. why am I not surprised .. FFS!
    And having been there as well as Gettysburg, Appomattox & several other Civil War sites I can assure you Stone Mountain is magnificent and if your ever in Georgia not to be missed …!
    https://ibb.co/XbGKn4v

  2. dover0beach Avatar

    The Russian response was so reticent in 2014 they ignored cities like Mariupol and Slavyansk even though they would have been welcomed by the local population. You also had loads of UKR troops mutiny, along with available equipment, and join the DPR or LPR armies that were forming around homegrown leadership. I have 85 Days in Slavyansk on order. Will be interesting to read a first hand account of events.

  3. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Civil rights activists march on Georgia’s Stone Mountain to protest the return of the annual celebration of the Confederacy: Reenactors wear the Southern Cross battle flag and set off cannons
    Should have also mentioned you ain’t lived the Civil War experience until you’ve seen a re-enactment .. saw several on my trip and they are ……. WOW!

  4. dover0beach Avatar

    Remembering that if it were Stars and Stripes on the shoulders of the troops invading Ukraine at present instead of a White-Blue-Red horizontal tricolour, most folks here who are amenable to them and even cheering them on would be utterly apoplectic…

    Context matters.

  5. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Election 2022, Catherine Englebrecht Outlines Devastating Evidence of Corruption by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp

    Catherine Englebrecht appeared on The War Room with Steve Bannon {Direct Rumble Link} to outline the evidence of election fraud that took place in 2020 through the use of ballot harvesting and ballot mules. The receipts Englebrecht and True The Vote have gathered are the primary evidence in an explosive documentary that is going to be released shortly called “2000 Mules.”

    The 2020 vote in key county precincts was manipulated by illegal and fraudulent ballot harvesting. Wayne county, Michigan; Philadelphia county, Pennsylvania; Maricopa county, Arizona; Clark county, Nevada; Dane county, Wisconsin; and Fulton county, Georgia. True the Vote has the documentary evidence, and video from the drop boxes, outlining how the ballot harvesting took place. However, corrupt local and state officials have refused to investigate the evidence because the political scandal is extreme in consequence.

    Importantly, during the interview with Steve Bannon, Catherine Englebrecht notes the systemic corruption by Georgia Republican Governor Brian Kemp, and his entire administration, as one concrete example of the willful fraud that cuts across party lines. WATCH:

    I hope you will invest 20 minutes of your time watching the discussion to get a more fulsome perspective on the scale of political corruption that Ms. Englebrecht and her group have been fighting for more than a year. The discussion about the GOPe corruption in Georgia is sickening.

    Summed up in the Comments with One Poster

  6. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Dismount and walk around, you entitled wankers.

    Sooooo, the word shared doesn’t ring any bells in your vocabulary I take it .. LOL!
    As a biker who rides on shared paths every, bloody, day I’m a bit baffled .. why are bikes a problem? ..
    if your walking on your LEFT (same as roads) the biker goes around you .. it’s when you get furglewitted pedestrians that walk wherever and hog both sides of the path that the problems occur ……!
    then again using the term wankers demonstrates you ain’t into sharing ….. LOL!

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  7. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Neil Oliver, in the Pandemic Aftermath Government Chooses Bread and Circuses

    For his weekly monologue today, GBNews host Neil Oliver notes how government officials are now globally focused on stupid personality issues as a distraction from the complete mess they created.

    Ironically, I just watched a Canadian parliamentary session yesterday where the most urgent policy for their assembly was ‘menstrual equity.’ Yes, you read that correctly./strong> It left me with that same bread and circuses thought as outlined by Oliver today.<

    This country – this world, in fact – is a damned mess now … teetering on the brink of chaos. Here at home our elected representatives have pushed us with the cattle prods of their emergency laws into a swamp of financial ruin. Two years ago they locked us down, deliberately and knowingly bringing the juggernaut of the economy to a stuttering, juddering halt. They sprayed trillions of pounds of fake money, money they didn’t and never will have, in every direction – including straight into the pockets of chums and also right down the drain. Desperate voices cried out that lockdown was madness – guaranteed to cause every kind of harm. But those voices were silenced and our leaders carried right on, ignoring their own rules while force marching the population along a trail of tears to where we are now.

    But if they think after two years that I will just call it quits, and meekly watch the rubble swept under the carpet, they can think again. For as long as I live I will not forget, far less forgive, this disaster of our leaders’ making.

    The world is in flux as never before in our lifetimes. Pestilence, War, Famine and Death. The gang’s all here and back in Westminster it’s cake and skirts and Internet porn. Someone’s fiddling, right enough, and coming from somewhere not far away, there’s a smell of smoke.”

  8. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    The Russian response was so reticent in 2014 they ignored cities like Mariupol and Slavyansk even though they would have been welcomed by the local population. You also had loads of UKR troops mutiny, along with available equipment, and join the DPR or LPR armies that were forming around homegrown leadership. I have 85 Days in Slavyansk on order. Will be interesting to read a first hand account of events.

    While I have no doubt there were plenty of Ukrainians caught up in the moment and wanting to defend themselves and their homes and families from all comers, they were the VC/Vietminh (For want of an applicable historical analogue) and celebrated as such.

    Against the well-known (and much lamented by international film makers and journalists) disparity of their capabilities, overall numbers and resources and territory controlled versus the rest of Ukrane and its Armed Forces, their efforts should have sputtered out long before we got to February 24, 2022.

    What has kept the ball of their ongoing insurgency rolling militarily for the last 8 years has been the Russian Army acting as their NVA. This was well established within the first 12-18 months:

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11/23/the-75-russian-military-units-at-war-in-ukraine/

    Ukraine has been at war with Russia for over 8 years. With the apparent disinterest in settlement and peaceful resolution and de facto consent to continue of the US, the EU, Russia and all Ukraine’s neighbours alike.

  9. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    On e-scooters.
    Hitchens is right.
    They are introduced by stealth as a trial to dampen opposition.
    Any criticism will be deflected with, “We value your input but let’s wait for the end of the trial”.
    This is exactly what Commish Patton said on Thursday*.
    He also said they are collecting stats manually, rather than via the Big Computer.
    Why?
    Because they are easier to “modulate”.
    At some point the trial will be announced as successful and proceeding to amended road laws.
    When will this be?
    Put your money on Federal election day, Grand Final weekend or Cup Day.
    ….
    * This was immediately after being asked about red-shirts. Neil Mitchell asked, “If I employed someone to be paid by 3AW, and told them the salary was just a sling and they could sit at home just collecting the money, is that theft?”
    Patton’s response? “Well, it depends on the context.”
    FMD.

  10. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Ukraine has been at war with Russia for over 8 years.

    I don’t think you can safely rule out your link isn’t reporting on propaganda favorable to elements of NATO’s well known desires to expand and Ukraine’s manipulations to join. Kind of like the Trump/Wussia Dossier commissioned by Killary?

    This video released by the InformNapalm international investigative community gives an overview of 2,5 years of their open-source investigations of Russians taking part in military hostilit.ies in Donbas. It was prepared for and presented at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly in Istanbul, Turkey on 19 November 2016.

  11. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Nolte: Biden’s Dominatrix of Disinformation Is Freaking Me Out

    The point I’m about to make is important. This means I need you to focus. So…

    For just a moment, let’s forget about the terrifying notion of the federal government, especially a government run by extremist Democrats and a corrupt Deep State, creating a “Disinformation Governance Board.”

    For just a moment, let’s forget that the very same people behind the “Disinformation Governance Board” are the very same people behind the Russia Collusion Hoax, the Global Warming Hoax, the fairy tale about how men can magically transform into women, and that chemically castrating nine-year-olds is a good thing.

    Let’s remove from our minds how these same people handled a very real and very damning laptop owned by Hunter Biden.

    Let’s erase from our memory being told inflation is transitory—no, inflation’s not real!–no, inflation’s a good thing!—no, it’s Putiiiinnnn!

    Let’s agree to forget being told the president of Russia controls America’s gas prices, that we’re winning the war in Afghanistan, that the border is secure, the Lab Leak Theory is racist, and viruses don’t spread at Black Lives Matter riots.

    Let’s delete all that for a moment because I want to focus on one thing… One question…

    What is it about Democrats wanting to have sex with little kids?

    What is going on?

    Did Putin put something in the water that gave Democrats a sudden and uncontrollable desire to rape children? Because that’s what it is. It’s rape. Kids can’t consent. So it’s rape.

    Did Democrats always want to rape little kids but are only now pushing to normalize the idea so they can rape all the kids they want, including kids in the classroom?

    Listen, I get that this Nina Jankowicz chick is a freak who finds herself absolutely adorable and runs around with a face that screams first wife. I think we all know that few people are more obnoxious than the marginally talented certain they’re on the verge of discovery and worldwide fame. So certain of being discovered are these brittle neurotics that they’re always on … always, always, always on.

    And that’s why I call her a dominatrix… Every time she performs, she spreads pain.

    This is what I don’t get.

    This right here.

    America’s Dominatrix of Disinformation fantasizes about having sex with a child.

    If you have some kind of fetish about ghost sex or whatever, it’s a free country. Be a weirdo. Knock yourself out.

    But here, right here, we have the Dominatrix of Disinformation openly fantasizing about having sex with a child, with Harry Potter.

    Who does that?

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Should have also mentioned you ain’t lived the Civil War experience until you’ve seen a re-enactment .. saw several on my trip and they are ……. WOW!

    Had hoped to see a couple of re- enactments, and a paddle wheel cruise down the Mississippi….on the bucket list..

  13. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    I don’t think you can safely rule out your link isn’t reporting on propaganda favorable to elements of NATO’s well known desires to expand and Ukraine’s manipulations to join. Kind of like the Trump/Wussia Dossier commissioned by Killary?

    And I suppose several thousand Russian-language social media accounts and posts by serving members of the Russian Army serving there were perfectly faked?

    Or is any form of open-source research and intel-gathering only acceptable when it matches the right Cause?

    After all, as dover said:

    Context matters.

  14. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    The UN can’t deliver aid without molesting children and starving people, so I don’t feel worried about an effective one world government.

    What makes you think they want to actually provide aid, as opposed to rorting and exploiting? One world government is something they really want and, so far, they seem pretty efficient about implementing it.

  15. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    After all Makka, I am attempting to understand both sides of the story here.

    Not just the ‘both sides’ where Russia was wronged by NATO repeatedly, and Ukraine was manipulated by Westerners and ultranationalist and Neo-nazis into being ‘hostile.’

  16. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Or is any form of open-source research and intel-gathering only acceptable when it matches the right Cause?

    Apparently, if it suits your right cause.

    Don’t fret, soon you will have a new omnipotent US Disinformation Czar bolstering your pro-NATO/EU/US cause. Because the MSM propaganda deluge currently just isn’t enough.

  17. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    After all Makka, I am attempting to understand both sides of the story here.

    Sure you are Rex.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    25 minutes ago
    ‘Greens back Labor, but they’ll need a push’: Bandt
    Sarah Ison
    SARAH ISON

    Greens Labor Leader Adam Bandt says his Party wants to work with a Labor government but will “push them” if there is a hung Parliament.

    Mr Bandt made clear the Greens “will not support the Liberals”.

    “We want to work with the next government which will hopefully not be a Liberal government, a Labor government, but they will need to be pushed,” he said on ABC’s Insiders.

    Mr Bandt indicated Labor’s package on housing affordability announced today was not ambitious enough and said the Greens

    “Will put on the table a plan to build a million new homes over 20 years that people can buy into or rent for 25 per cent of their income,” he said.

    “We need a transformative solution to the housing affordability crisis.”

    The Greens Leader confirmed his Party would not “block action on the Voice (to Parliament)”.

    It comes after the Greens quietly changed their position on the Uluru Statement of The Heart, which calls for voice before treaty and truth telling.

    The Greens instead want treaty and truth first.

    Mr Band defended the change and said it had come from strong First Nations MPs in the Party.

    “Two out of 10 of our members are First Nations women and the really deeply held view from the Greens is that the best chance of all of the elements, Voice, succeeding from the Uluru Statement, is to have that process of truth and treaty at least commenced first, and if we do it the other way around, then we set up for the terrible prospect that it might not succeed,” he said.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Hitchens again, this time on e-scooters, which are getting green lights in the UK

    Darwinian devices:

    L.A.’s injury rate from e-scooters may exceed national rate for motorcycles (6 Apr)
    Big rise in injuries from e-scooters, hoverboards (5 Oct)
    ER visits for e-scooter injuries nearly double in one year (Aug 2020)
    Head and neck injuries make up nearly 28% of all electric scooter accident injuries (Oct 2020)
    Emergency rooms the destination for many electric scooter users (Jan 2019)

    Those are the first five hits on a search of MedicalXpress.com just now. They should improve genetics of the human race markedly if they get rolled out widely. Plus they have a tendency to burn down your house if you charge them inside, which might make green Keynesians quite happy.

  20. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    JCsays:
    May 1, 2022 at 10:26 am
    Deep down, it’s a Roman Catholic vs Orthodox Christianity battle.

    Mr. Ed. Has there ever been something you’ve been right about?

    No, never.

  21. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    rosiesays:
    May 1, 2022 at 12:14 pm
    I despise bicycle bell ticklers.
    Pedestrians are not obliged to get out of your way on a shared footpath.

    rosie.. as a cyclist on a shared path, what would you like them do?

    Mostly, a bell is a gentle ‘here I come’ reminder from behind, so you don’t get horse fright and jump into their path.

    You abuse them if they ring their bell, and I’ll bet you’re the sort that abuses them if they don’t.

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  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As usual, on the Oz website, the usual suspects are ranting about “billions of dollars, in the great franking credits giveaway…” If you point out that franking credits are a concept, patently obvious to the meanest of intelligence’s” you are rejected…

  23. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    Like I said earlier the US is not Ike and the Gipper any more. It’s Marx and Marcuse.

  24. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    By swallowing wholesale someone else’s propaganda and justifications because it says things against those people in charge of us that you don’t like?

    After 2 years of covid bullshit please excuse me if i dont jump at the chance to to boo and hiss at the governments newest Emmanuel Goldstein.

    Putin is a warmongering shit.
    My “duty” to dislike him is swamped by my intense disgust at our own scum and grifters.
    If the ‘west’ wants support then it can focus a little on being worth supporting

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  25. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    I despise bicycle bell ticklers.
    Pedestrians are not obliged to get out of your way on a shared footpath.

    And:

    rosie.. as a cyclist on a shared path, what would you like them do?
    Mostly, a bell is a gentle ‘here I come’ reminder from behind, so you don’t get horse fright and jump into their path.

    ‘Mr. Scruby. Mr. Harold Scruby. Please come to the white telephone in the lobby.’

  26. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Greens Labor Leader Adam Bandt says his Party wants to work with a Labor government but will “push them” if there is a hung Parliament.

    Bandt and Albo are certainly doing a mating dance. Albo’s new home buyer scheme voodoo and the great Green future are perfectly complimenting one another in the Gen X and Y demographics.

  27. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    rosiesays:
    May 1, 2022 at 12:14 pm
    I despise bicycle bell ticklers.
    Pedestrians are not obliged to get out of your way on a shared footpath.
    Dismount and walk around, you entitled wankers.

    I don’t mind the actual bell tinklers, but the ones who speed past with no warning really p1ss me off. The words “Ding, ding” have sometimes been heard following them along.

  28. dover0beach Avatar

    Against the well-known (and much lamented by international film makers and journalists) disparity of their capabilities, overall numbers and resources and territory controlled versus the rest of Ukrane and its Armed Forces, their efforts should have sputtered out long before we got to February 24, 2022.

    Without US/ NATO support, the UAF would have collapsed in 2014/5. It was a shambles.

  29. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The general rule is:

    If you wear lycra and ride at anything over 20kph on pathways shared with people and prams etc, you are a fuckstick and deserve a broomstick through your spokes, and then over the back of the head.

    Anything else is about manners.

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  30. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Don’t fret, soon you will have a new omnipotent US Disinformation Czar bolstering your pro-NATO/EU/US cause. Because the MSM propaganda deluge currently just isn’t enough.

    Thanks for confirming the scarf-flapping, Makka.

    Just remember that Russia is not fighting against the globalists and fascists in charge of the West.

    That is something we have to do for ourselves.

    Russia is taking another country’s territory and people off them. For its own reasons and purposes.

    Strictly speaking, it has now forcibly taken the Donbass Republics off the Donbassians themselves, and is now forcing its population to fight Russia’s war of conquest against Ukraine.

  31. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    Yes Putin is the meja’s new Trump. All vomiting up the same lies

  32. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    Come to think of it didn’t the us and its allies do something similar in Iraq

  33. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    Iraq and Syria and Libya are some distance from Washington unlike Ukraine and Russia

  34. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The Ukraine war is analogous to Yemen.

    In Yemen the Iranians helped the Shi’a to stage a coup and depose the Sunni government. Then Saudi came in to de-Shi’a-fy the place, regarding the Houthi regime as a foot in the door for NATO Iran. That invasion commenced 7 years ago and they’re still all fighting like qat-addled hyenas. The US is sending arms to Saudi and the Iranians are doing likewise for the Houthis. The place is a starving mess and millions have died.

    Which side would you regard as the good guys in the Yemen war?

  35. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Russia is taking another country’s territory and people off them.

    Another POV: Territory that Ukraine has been bombing and Ukraine people who the Ukraine Govt has been killing for 8 years. Because of their ethnicity. They became so fed up they voted to leave their aggressor.

    now forcing its population to fight Russia’s war of conquest against Ukraine.

    They were fighting the Ukraine Govt well before the Feb 24.

  36. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    A real newspaper lead line…

    Biased against the Left or Right? The social media onslaught targeting the ABC
    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fculture%2Ftv-and-radio%2Fbiased-against-the-left-or-right-the-social-media-onslaught-targeting-the-abc-20220429-p5ah5k.html

    “Yve” responded to an interview ABC journalist Fauziah Ibrahim had conducted with Labor frontbencher Jason Clare on the broadcaster’sWeekend Breakfast news program.

    She accused the newsreader of “trying for her ‘gotcha’ moment” by returning to the Albanese gaffe that had dominated the first week of the election campaign. “How about Labor’s plans, Fauziah? No?”

    Six minutes later Yve tweeted that Ibrahim “is not interested in their [the ALP’s] plans for the future, when this is what the election is actually about”.

    By 9.47am, Yve noticed she had been added to a list on Ibrahim’s Twitter page headed “Labor Trolls/Thugs”. Naturally, she tweeted about it, thereby setting in train a series of events that would lead to the news presenter – who had been accused on Twitter of pro-Coalition bias since at least December 2021, following a contentious interview with Anthony Albanese – “taking a break” while ABC management reviewed her social media activity for possible breaches of the broadcaster’s guidelines – an offence that could, potentially, result in dismissal.

    Cant have someone possibly from anything other than the green left eh?

    A man with the ability to lie under wet cement…

    Attacks on the ABC from the Right, however, are nothing new. According to Josh Bornstein, national head of employment law at Maurice Blackburn and briefly a contender for an ALP Senate seat in this election, undermining the public broadcaster has been “a joint venture of the Murdoch press and the conservative parties for decades”.

    “They have repeatedly stacked the board, you have some extreme hostility raining down on the ABC, and it can’t have anything but a profound effect,” he said.
    Bornstein sees the transformation playing out not in terms of an abandonment of the notion of impartiality that is so crucial to the ABC’s performance, but rather in a shift of the understanding of what that impartiality looks like.

    “The dial has been shifted,” he says. “They’re required to report impartially, but it’s this form of neutrality that has shifted significantly to the right.”

    The whole article is basically a strawman presenting lefty twitter mongs as “real impartial people”…

  37. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Putin is a warmongering shit.
    My “duty” to dislike him is swamped by my intense disgust at our own scum and grifters.

    My comment is directed at folks unquestioningly declaring for Russia with a seeming absence of the same sort of scrutiny to Russia’s claims and justifications for its actions they would normally apply to Western media.

    Solely because they don’t like what has been done to them by Australia’s governments for the last 2 years.

    It’s got nothing to do with any apparent “duty” to dislike anything or anyone.

    I consider that one can agree that Australia’s ruling types are panic-mongering arseholes who need to be accountable and their overreaches rolled back, and that the Poots is an arsehole who felt a need to invade someone because he could.

    And to be able to do these things without turning it all into an absolutist “If you are pro-freedom, you must support Russia and you must disbelieve your own governments unconditionally. Because reasons. No questions!”

    We need to leave that sort of tribalist shit to the Left.

  38. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Americans need to put this at the front of their daily thought: John Mills on battling CCP threat
    In this special episode, we sat down with John Mills—retired colonel, former director of cybersecurity at the Defense Department, senior fellow with the Center for Security Policy, and part of the Spectrum Consulting Group. We also hear from Casey Fleming, CEO of BlackOps Partners. They talk about the growing importance of the cyber realm in modern warfare, what China might be learning from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and what this means for Taiwan and the United States going forward.

  39. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    I don’t mind the actual bell tinklers, but the ones who speed past with no warning really p1ss me off. 

    The worst are overweight barristers and doctors in lycra who approach a pedestrian crossing in a “peloton” (group) and call “rolling!” (as in, “get outta the way”.
    A group of them killed an old bloke on Beach Rd a few years ago.

  40. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    And to be able to do these things without turning it all into an absolutist “If you are pro-freedom, you must support Russia and you must disbelieve your own governments unconditionally. Because reasons. No questions!”

    This is exactly the kind puerile simplistic bullshit argument that delivered us – the west – the horrid last 2 years and our shit future.

    Valid reasons. We have reason aplenty not to believe the MSM lies and propaganda we have been subjected to for years.

    Always question. That is how the Russia Hoax was exposed, like the Dossier, like covid, Biden and his son’s laptop, the stolen US elections.

    So I’m not disbelieving my Govt unconditionally which you are desperately implying. It’s actually the exact opposite. I disbelieve them because they are proven lying oppressive c***s.

  41. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Another POV: Territory that Ukraine has been bombing and Ukraine people who the Ukraine Govt has been killing for 8 years. Because of their ethnicity. They became so fed up they voted to leave their aggressor.

    Which 8 years, Makka? Up to 2014?

    Because the choice of pro-Russian elements to break away and ultimately initiate the civil war in the Donbass occurred in April 2014, shortly after the Crimea was taken by Russia that March.

    There were no bombings or killings of ethnic Russian Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine by the Ukrainian Government prior to the Dobass uprising and separation.

    The vote to ‘leave’ the aggressor was conducted that May.

    Before all your alleged bombings and killings of ethnic Russians by the debbil-debbil Ukrainians started. Limited self-rule to the Donbass regions was also granted that September, though the fighting has continued. None of this was helped by the very active Russian Army involvement from Day One of the whole Donbass debacle. Involvement which has continued right up to today.

    But the Trusted Bloggers clearly know best about what has happened, and what is really going on…

  42. dover0beach Avatar

    Poots is an arsehole who felt a need to invade someone because he could.

    I don’t draw that conclusion from things I’ve come to understand.

    And to be able to do these things without turning it all into an absolutist “If you are pro-freedom, you must support Russia and you must disbelieve your own governments unconditionally. Because reasons. No questions!”

    From an earlier retweet:

    Martyr Made5h
    My favorite part about the Russia-Ukraine war is when the Western media, intelligence agencies & Big Tech amplify all Ukrainian propaganda, and reject even obviously true Russian claims, then says, “Wow, Ukraine is so skilled at Information warfare.”

  43. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Before all your alleged bombings and killings of ethnic Russians by the debbil-debbil Ukrainians started.

    Lol, sure you are looking at both sides Rex. It’s crystal.

  44. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    So I’m not disbelieving my Govt unconditionally which you are desperately implying. It’s actually the exact opposite. I disbelieve them because they are proven lying oppressive c***s.

    And based on your posts about the Ukranian separatists leavimg after being bombed and killed by the Ule government, you are unconditionally believing non-Western and non-Western government sources.

    My post of 2.26pm took 5-10 minutes to research.

    I do not trust either side, Makka.

  45. dover0beach Avatar

    But the Trusted Bloggers clearly know best about what has happened, and what is really going on…

    How can you make fun of Trusted Bloggers while also often relying on OSINT? And as for Bellingcat and NPR (US version of our ABC), colour me sceptical.

  46. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    I do not trust either side, Makka.

    Sure you don’t Rex. I can see by your posts. Alleged (Ukrainian) bombings, debbil-debbil Ukrainians. Very open minded, lol.

  47. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    The US wanted a war and they’re making no attempt to cool it. The opposite in fact

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  48. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Sure you don’t Rex. I can see by your posts. Alleged (Ukrainian) bombings, debbil-debbil Ukrainians. Very open minded, lol.

    I merely replied to you in your own language.

    Ditto Dover.

    Since we all now want to try and play rhetorical games about whose sources are ‘legitimate’ vs. having a look at doing some research for ourselves, I am done with this subject.

    Just remember, that saying the Russians haven’t had their fingers in the pie and tanks in the Donetsk and Luhansk since April 2014, and Rexy is a Western Spy shill for pointing it out, doesn’t mean they were not, and are not still there.

  49. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Struthsays:
    May 1, 2022 at 2:37 pm
    They’re getting away!

    Forget it Jake

  50. Struth Avatar

    God, you can’t be that ignorant……look at the little gang of sneerers.

    They are either mentally sick or are trolling for somebody.
    To sneer at this being a globalist coup after two years of evidence is not only insane.
    It’s complete bullshit.

    Ask yourself, seriously, after all the western world is now about to bring in digital ID’s and cashless societies (social credit system, and all introducing everything as they have done so far, at the same time) and the WEF leaders hated by majorities but re elected as ours will be……There are people that will tell you that because we aren’t yet being exterminated in camps that nothing is happening.
    There are four or five fuckwits here who are holding the rest of you back from being pro active, as the forces of evil require you to always be way behind the agenda.
    You know who they are.
    Then you have the jabbed who desperately want to believe the “nothing to see here” line, and throw themselves into the theatre of distraction which is a war, that’s been going on for years, that the rising costs and supply chain breakdown can be blamed on, even though it’s laughable.

  51. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Feeling a bit left out, Struth?

  52. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    No shatterzzz
    I’m talking about the high speed adult cyclists who don’t think they should slow down, ever.
    And I’m always on the correct side when I use the pathway and no I’m not going to step off onto the grass.
    The expectations are unreasonable.

  53. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I was looking at records (expensive) and record players at JB this afternoon, have some LPs I bought back from the states I wouldn’t mind being able to play.
    Now I am suddenly reminded of the old days when the needle used to stuck.

  54. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    I was looking at records (expensive) and record players at JB this afternoon, have some LPs I bought back from the states I wouldn’t mind being able to play.
    Now I am suddenly reminded of the old days when the needle used to stuck

    Danger that way lies, Rosie.

    Next thing you know, you’ll be vociferously declaring your love of tube amplifiers because the sound quality is so much fatter, man!

    Just don’t start wearing a fedora. Please? 🙁

  55. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Just remember, that saying the Russians haven’t had their fingers in the pie and tanks in the Donetsk and Luhansk since April 2014, and Rexy is a Western Spy shill for pointing it out, doesn’t mean they were not, and are not still there.

    Have you considered the possibility that anyone who pursues power successfully enough to run a country is, of necessity, a shit? Discriminating fine shades of shittiness may not be the best use of your time.

    The thing I note is that Putin has offered a credible (but not necessarily convincing) rationale for his invasion. The US and UK seem to want the war to continue and have no such rationale. Just anti-Putin hate. I can quite understand hating Putin. I can understand loathing BoJo and Biden too. But I haven’t declared war on any of them.

    I haven’t even declared war against our very own political class, although I’m thinking of it.

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  56. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Ah. The aspiring dictator.

    There are people that will tell you that because we aren’t yet being exterminated in camps that nothing is happening.

    There are also people that will tell you there are camps built for extermination, and who will (and actually did) then say ‘well what would you have concluded’ when the brightest, shiniest example of the death camps was loudly and publicly deemed unnecessary by the government he voted in.

    Yoder said that world renowned cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough told him that if the pilots were regularly tested, a significant number of them would probably have to be grounded.

    Oh. An expert then. Here’s another example of ‘expert’ opinions on the Internet (from AEI):

    Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years [by 1985 or 2000] unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

    Uh huh. Harvard. Unimpeachable then.

  57. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    I’m talking about the high speed adult cyclists who don’t think they should slow down, ever.
    fair enuf! .. those lycra clad speedsters, generally, give me a fright as well when they swoosh past my sedate OAP rambling without warning ……..!

  58. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    I merely replied to you in your own language.

    Not my language sport. That’s you getting found out attempting to cover your blind following of western propaganda. You link it often enough on this subject.

    I’ve stated it before- I think this adventure will see the end of the Putin era. Russia will successfully annex Donbas (arguably already) and the land bridge across to Crimea. Possibly to include Odessa but that foray may be a warning for the negotiating table to come. But, the sanctions will ultimately be debilitating for Russians and sow the seeds for Putin’s demise. It’s what becomes of Russia after that I think is an enormous issue. IMO the “west” ultimately wants to see Russia broken up into much smaller republics which won’t be a pretty affair. A structured transformation to some kind of liberal democracy looks remote to me. In other words- potential major chaos across 11 time zones and an enormous land mass as territory and resources are (violently) divvied up. Thanks to the efforts of “the west”- which of course includes NATO.

    None of the above encourages me to change my opinions concerning the propaganda of the lying western MSM and our awful Govts. They are not worthy of any trust I’m able to muster.

  59. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    More expert opinion:

    “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”

  60. Digger Avatar
    Digger

    So here we go….

    Saturday 23 April I tested positive to Coronavirus.

    I missed ANZAC Day as a result, but I can live with that.

    I am supposedly in the ‘most endangered’ demographic, being over 70 and unvaccinated.

    Today I have come out of isolation to tell the story of the journey…

    The things of note that I have taken from the experience.

    1. I am now effectively vaccinated…. Naturally.

    2. I now have at least the equivalent to, but arguably better (depending on what science you care to follow) the immunity of those who have used artificial vaccination.

    3. My maximum temperature since last Saturday (taken twice daily) was 36.8C (At no stage did I have a fever)

    4. The worst symptoms I experienced were – sporadic mild headaches, intermittent cough and head congestion. Nothing more.

    5. Maybe I was lucky or maybe the reading I did and the steps I took to strengthen my natural immunity paid off.

    6. 12 months ago I read and understood the benefits of strengthening my natural immunity by supplementing my daily food intake. To do that I took these supplements, all obtained from my local pharmacy (I have not missed a day):
    – zinc
    – magnesium
    – Vitamin B
    – Vitamin C
    and
    – Vitamin D

    7. I also take fish or krill oil capsules daily but that is for another reason.

    8. I have not been sick at all during the past week and can honestly say that I am pleased with all my decisions since the start of the pandemic.

    9. Being locked in my bedroom with a computer and no television has been beneficial in a number of ways. I have finished drafting and proof reading (again) my book and have completed my last years tax documentation. The greatest benefit was being totally isolated from a brain numbing federal election campaign… at least briefly.

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  61. Dot Avatar

    I am going to write a psychological thriller about an ex model and bakery owner who becomes an L.A. psychiatrist to the stars. It will require a director like Kubrick and a supporting actor like R Lee Ermey.

    Full Muffin Coquette.

  62. Dot Avatar

    The greatest benefit was being totally isolated from a brain numbing federal election campaign… at least briefly.

    Don’t worry, the Greens ads are ubiquitous, you’ll feel comfortably numb in no time!

  63. hzhousewife Avatar
    hzhousewife

    Well Done Digger !

  64. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Persevere and ye shall succeed .. LOL! .. mentioned the other day I couldn’t get into FLASH NEWS streamer cos it’s Foxtel & I’m piggy-backing one of the kids KAYO accounts and it came up and said update details rather than allowing a new sign-up ….
    Anyway, realised on one of my laptops I wasn’t using KAYO so tried again .. this time able to sign up as new customer under my own name .. not quite what I thought but 2 weeks free before I need to decide..
    Tho as it’s only $8 a month I’ll probably stay ..
    plus with my own log-in I am now able to access it on all my devices separate to the KAYO log-in ..

  65. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    The thing I note is that Putin has offered a credible (but not necessarily convincing) rationale for his invasion. The US and UK seem to want the war to continue and have no such rationale.

    The war has been quietly happening since the Crimea was annexed March 2014, and the Donetskand Luhansk oblasts seceded from Ukraine that April. No side really chose to say a word (mutual agreement?) until it went fully kinetic in February. Why would you justify an ongoing fight unless you need or want an excuse to expand it?

    Ukraine had chosen a pro-Western trajectory at that time, and in response Russian combat units started doing their thing in what had hitherto been their territory, on top of the tumultuous internal ructions that were simultaneously occurring within its own polity.

    Having had Ukraine politically hitch their wagon to the rest of Europe for the time being, NATO and the EU set about doing their thing. Aid, trade and politics from the EU, retraining and professionalising the UAF to fight Russian troops and Russian-equipped Donbassian proxies by NATO.

    This war has just waxed and waned in the background between the Obama and Trump presidencies, and between Poroshenko and Zelensky. And only became very apparent to most of us quite recently, once Biden’s doddery Administration (aside from the man himself) had had 4 or 5 months of consistent policy failures and inertia to signal an escalation might be an achievable gamble.

    In that regard, the earlier-linked articles from January about the US Lend-Lease bill for Ukraine and Russian military massing and sabre-rattling rhetoric in February make sense. Both sides sensed a potentially dangerous change in the strategic environment and acted accordingly.

    One might well have argued that the Lend-Lease bill would never have seen the light of day under a second Trump term, let alone a Desantis or Gabbard Presidency. It is quite possible it might have occurred under Hillary, albeit for different reasons and probably for a different client…

  66. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Diggersays:
    May 1, 2022 at 3:19 pm
    So here we go….
    Saturday 23 April I tested positive to Coronavirus.

    Why the test? .. could have just labelled it cold, cough or flu and got on with life …

  67. calli Avatar
    calli

    Hi Cats! Unbelievable! I’m at a camp at Kings Creek Station in the middle of nowhere and the internet (4G hub) is better than the NBN shyte at home!

    We are glamping – the Beloved upgraded us to a king bed e/s tent with a fridge. Similar to what we did in Wadi Rhum but much more comfy and modern. Very secluded and the surrounding bushland is alive with birds. And tiny, persistent flies. So my two-in-a-tent experience is a bit more up market but my bones aren’t complaining.

    Did a short walk up at the Canyon this morning, looking forward to a longer one tomorrow. And hopefully sitting around the fire pit yarning with fellow travellers.

    Spotted at KC campground- a massive 4WD with “Climate Action Now!” on the tail. Zero self awareness.

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  68. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Trevor Noah at WHCA Dinner–Under Joe Biden Everything Is Looking Up: Gas, Food, and Rent

    Noah also joked about Biden’s controversial comment endorsing removing Russian President Vladimir Putin from power.

    “It was very very upsetting to Russia until someone explained to them that none of the stuff Biden wants actually gets done,” Noah joked.

  69. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Spotted at KC campground- a massive 4WD with “Climate Action Now!” on the tail. Zero self awareness.

    On Carbon-steel bodywork.

    The ultimate iron-y… 😀

    #Punderdome

    #BanThatManBeforeHeDoesItAgain!

  70. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    All Team Xi can do is play expensive and indefinite Whack-a-Mole with a virus they invented and let loose. Canutes. (There will be a wise Confucian saying to cover the irony in all this.)

    too busy exporting inflation

  71. Winston Smith Avatar

    2 dogs:

    Bill Maher discovers fiscal conservatism.

    Unwatchable due to the audience and Bill pandering to them for larffs. He has a very important message and it didn’t get out.

  72. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    NSW government ministers have slammed a ‘woke’ inclusion training seminar after they were told they should not refer to each other as ‘mate’.

    The NSW Department of Premier and Cabinet conducted a series of ‘diversity and inclusion’ consultations this week.

    The program listed a number of workplace changes including bans on drinking alcohol in the office, yelling at colleagues and gossiping about staff.

    The seminars are estimated to have cost taxpayers $202,000.

    Some ministers have criticised the ‘Respect at Work’ consultations and labelled them as ‘PC ­insanity’, ‘straight out of 1984’ and ‘mumbo jumbo’.

    From the Comments

    Mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

  73. Winston Smith Avatar

    Doc Beaugan:

    I get mine from Cuba. I save a certain amount, but I have to pay duty when they arrive in Oz. This is a fair bit more than the cost of the cigars themselves.

    Currently thinking of buying some cigars as EOTWAWKI trading stock.
    Quality rating high, but not so high that the brand is unknown.

  74. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    All Team Xi can do is play expensive and indefinite Whack-a-Mole with a virus they invented and let loose. Canutes. (There will be a wise Confucian saying to cover the irony in all this.)

    Confucius Says:

    A wise woman once told me this-

    “Take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.

    “It’s the only way way to be sure…”

  75. Real Deal Avatar
    Real Deal

    The worst are overweight barristers and doctors in lycra who approach a pedestrian crossing in a “peloton” (group) and call “rolling!” (as in, “get outta the way”.
    A group of them killed an old bloke on Beach Rd a few years ago.

    I have groups of them shoot past me on cyclepaths often. Matching Lycra, no bells, the best I get from them is “right side!” just before they descend upon me en mass.
    As an increasingly aged and sadly overweight plonker who rides to work most days I use my bell all the time. The path is wide enough for even the the most scrubiesque walker to keep left and let a slow rider like me pass.
    I do have some pedestrians overtake me up hills, though.

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  76. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    The US and UK seem to want the war to continue and have no such rationale.

    US Defence secretary Lloyd Austin stated the rationale in Kiev last week:

    To so weaken Russia’s military capability that it cannot conduct offensive operations outside its borders (in Europe at least) anytime soon.

  77. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Good old omicron.
    For most people, no biggie.

  78. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    too busy exporting inflation

    Depends which definition of inflation you you use. The west has been busily inflating the money supply (the classic definition of inflation) since 2008. The stock and property markets have been soaking up that money. https://economics21.org/html/classical-theory-inflation-and-its-uses-today-90.html#:~:text=The%20classical%20theory%20of%20inflation%20attributes%20sustained%20price,theory%20of%20inflation%2C%20not%20a%20theory%20of%20money.

    Now that we have supply chain shortages (which China has to a large extent us now causing , helped along by senile Joe) we are seeing prices rise (the new definition of inflation). https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/inflation-and-its-measurement.html

  79. Digger Avatar
    Digger

    Why the test? .. could have just labelled it cold, cough or flu and got on with life

    Pretty simple actually… How do you know what the TRUE effects of COVID are if you don’t know you have it? I now don’t have to rely on what others tell me about it and I don’t have to guess whether I have had it or not…

    I now know I have natural immunity.

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  80. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    I haven’t even declared war against our very own political class, although I’m thinking of it.

    If you do, you need to state that you are doing it solely to liberate the Australian Elite’s cigar supply for the People.

    Just make sure you only release and redistribute the confiscated cigarettes, pouch tobacco and the really cheap and nasty cubano knockoffs to The People. 😉

  81. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    the most scrubiesque walker

    Stolen.

  82. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I bet people who survived smallpox said
    Awesome, I’m now naturally ‘vaccinated’ against smallpox.

  83. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    Gabbard Presidency

    spare me

  84. Winston Smith Avatar

    ZK2A:

    The 11-year-old daughter of a British man beheaded by Islamic State told two members of the gang that imprisoned him how much she missed her father before a US court handed down eight life sentences to one of them.

    All this does is prove to the IS members they are doing the right thing.
    You cannot have a conscience and simultaneously saw a mans head off.
    The best way to treat these scum is by their own standards. Sew them into a pigskin and bury them alive.
    The real fanatics will stop because – according to their beliefs – the Islamic Fighter won’t be seen by Allah.
    FFS deal with them effectively instead of putting them in prison to await the next hostage swap.

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  85. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    US Defence secretary Lloyd Austin stated the rationale in Kiev last week:

    To so weaken Russia’s military capability that it cannot conduct offensive operations outside its borders (in Europe at least) anytime soon.

    Which again sounds weird and conspiratorial and even warmongery until you put it in the 2014-to-today context.

    Vlad Bae’s ‘demilitarisation’ rhetoric from February/March also makes sense in that light, albeit because of the fight the UAF had put up to date.

  86. Dot Avatar

    The worst are overweight barristers and doctors in lycra who approach a pedestrian crossing in a “peloton” (group) and call “rolling!” (as in, “get outta the way”.

    Yeah, that made me a Scrubieista too

  87. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Which again sounds weird and conspiratorial and even warmongery until you put it in the 2014-to-today context.

    Perhaps, but it’s an escalation from simply protecting the sovereignty of Ukraine and not without significant risk.

  88. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    spare me

    The Democrats already did.

    We got Joe instead.

  89. Zipster Avatar
    Zipster

    US Defence secretary Lloyd Austin stated the rationale in Kiev last week:

    To so weaken Russia’s military capability that it cannot conduct offensive operations outside its borders (in Europe at least) anytime soon.

    just what we need a russia that thinks it’s in existential crises. Lloyd “dumbass” austin is an ugly clown

  90. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    Pretty simple actually… How do you know what the TRUE effects of COVID are if you don’t know you have it?

    I carpool with 3 others to get to work. Last night got a call to say one is COVID pos. Today calls from other 2 asking if I had been tested, they had and both negative. They seemed a bit miffed when I said I wouldn’t bother unless I get symptoms … No test, no COVID, no problem.

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  91. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Oh..
    Oh dear…
    Someone isnt to be invited on a BBC program ever again.

    https://order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Nailed-it.-https___t.co_RvI2RKDSud.mp4

    Great question from a younger bloke, shame they didnt show the answer.

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