Open Thread – Tuesday 17 May 2022


The Triumph of Christianity over Paganism, Gustave Dore, 1865

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rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 11:24 am

And they mock us as a colony of convicts.
Tugging the forelock must be an ingrained habit.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 11:27 am

Seems to me most archaeological remains in Europe are in caves or if more recent in fairly elaborate grave sites.
Other that tree burial is anyone aware of aboriginal death rituals?
I think KD mentioned graves tend to be shallow?

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 11:29 am

I want to see ScoMo win for an Albo concession speech and see the Liars punished for putting up such a rubbish candidate.

The next question in that scenario is, would they be able to get rid of him?

Elbow is the preferred ALP grassroots candidate for party leadership – which tells you a lot about the Labor Party’s membership – and under AKRudd’s reforms membership is weighted equally with the parliamentary party in any leadership ballot.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 11:32 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 11:36 am

Tomsays:
May 20, 2022 at 11:09 am
While I would like to see the Lieborals wiped out as much as the next bear, I want to see ScoMo win for an Albo concession speech and see the Liars punished for putting up such a rubbish candidate.

Sadly, Humphrey, the software allowed me to give that just one dickless uptick. I wanted to give it 1000.

Tom.
Check your email.
There is a way to do that.

bons
bons
May 20, 2022 11:37 am

There is a wonderful segment on today’s Lotus Eaters fearuring Posie Parker giving the insufferable Piers Morgan a ‘don’t argue’ as he whores for the freak ideology.
“Yes, I am transphobic”. “Women do not have penises”, and, “what is a trans right”?
If only she came n packs of a dozen.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 11:38 am

Elbow is the preferred ALP grassroots candidate for party leadership – which tells you a lot about the Labor Party’s branch stacking membership

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 11:42 am

Other that tree burial is anyone aware of aboriginal death rituals?

I don’t think the tree was the “burial” site. They’d return to inter the bones once the flesh had been removed by natural processes.

As for the scarcity of remains it may have something to do with eastern & northern Australian soils and humidity and the microorganic processes of disintegration therein. You’d expect to find more skeletal remains in the dry centre and west.

No doubt someone has done a PhD on this but it might take a fair bit of digging to turn it up.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 11:45 am

Elbow is the preferred ALP grassroots candidate for party leadership – which tells you a lot about the Labor Party’s branch stacking membership

Mmm…I wonder if Mike Kaiser has ever worked for Elbow?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 11:45 am

No doubt someone has done a PhD on this but it might take a fair bit of digging to turn it up.

Hahaaaaaaa.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 20, 2022 11:46 am

Other that tree burial is anyone aware of aboriginal death rituals?

Some groups put the remains in termite mounds.
There was a kerfuffle when a Chinese mob did some old fashioned land clearing by chain and dozer that knocked over a heap (no remains found Im aware of).

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 11:46 am

I’m here all week.

Try the meatless veal…no, really.

areff
areff
May 20, 2022 11:47 am

What’s this monkeypox business about?

It makes you lazy, overcome by langur

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 11:47 am

Rosie

Mungo Man was significant because it had evidence of partial cremation.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 11:53 am

The aboriginal population of Australia was estimated at 750,000 at the time of tHe InVasiOn.
Assume a life expectancy of, say, 40 years, that would be roughly 20,000 deaths a year.
The area of Australia is 7,500,000 sq kms.
You do the maffs.
It is no real surprise that we aren’t turning up bones every time we plant a dahlia.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 11:55 am

Dotsays:

May 20, 2022 at 11:47 am

Rosie

Mungo Man was significant because it had evidence of partial cremation.

Well, maybe.
But they did find a Bic lighter and a packet of Stuyvos near the bones.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 11:56 am

TheFrolicking Moll:

“Some people have described it as like they are at a funeral but everyone else is treating it like a party,” said Salamon. “People are still going to college, planning for retirement, doing all the things as if the future will look just like the past when we know that’s not true. There’s a delusion of normalcy.”

They’ve never been to an Irish funeral?

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 12:03 pm

There’s a delusion of normalcy.

How do I say this gently…it’s not the normies who are deluded, young lady.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 12:04 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

With Kamala and Pelosi in the line of inheritance I really don’t know what the Dems are aiming at. They’re both as bad as Joe, and less malleable. Who are they trying to prepare? Hillary? Chelsea?

People are getting too caught up in the line of succession part.
Unless Washington is caught in an Iranian test of its nuke, O’Biden dropping dead/impeached can be replaced by anyone the Democrats want. Just because the VP becoming the President is the way it’s happened in the past doesn’t mean it will be the way it happens next.
It will be a ding dong Battle between the two old chooks Pelosi and Clinton.
I’m not game to put a bet on either one.

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 12:08 pm

Monkeypox has been detected in Sydney….

2 YEARS LOCKDOWN NOW!

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 12:10 pm

Sounds like a version of “sky burial” as practised in Tibet.

The road Mt Isa – Birdsville is mostly paved. Apparently there is a small detour (40km) around a lake on dirt to avoid a washout. The Boulia – Winton road opened this morning so we’ll backtrack. Another paved road.

Driving a Prado double tank. It was serviced in Darwin and runs like a dream. Just the right size for two. This has been a bit of a test run for a much longer trip planned for 2024. Having driven on horrible roads in PNG, the Beloved isn’t particularly worried. He just doesn’t want to chip the nice shiny paintwork. 😀

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 12:14 pm

Monkeypox has been detected in Sydney….

2 YEARS LOCKDOWN NOW!

I can’t wait for the Victorian Outbreak and The Bat Eared Mong to swing into full Retard Despot.

Bluey
Bluey
May 20, 2022 12:15 pm

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3493467-court-rules-secs-internal-judges-are-unconstitutional/

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday ruled the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is denying defendants their constitutional right to a jury trial by putting them in front of its own internal judges.

In a 2-1 ruling, the court ruled for George Jarkesy and Patriot28 LLC, who sued the SEC in 2011 after the agency imposed a $300,000 fine and other punishments in a securities fraud case.

Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod wrote in the majority opinion that the SEC violated the Seventh Amendment’s right to a jury trial by bringing defendants before in-house judges and allowing the agency to “act as both prosecutor and judge.”

Congress also unconstitutionally delegated power to the SEC to act as a legislative body, Elrod wrote.

“‘We the People’ are the fountainhead of all government power. Through the Constitution, the people delegated some of that power to the federal government so that it would protect rights and promote the common good,” Elrod said. “But that accountability evaporates if a person or entity other than Congress exercises legislative power.”

In a dissenting opinion, Judge Eugene Davis disagreed, saying the right to a jury trial did not pertain to administrative proceedings and that the SEC was enforcing laws and statutes in the public interest.

Davis also said Congress did not overreach in empowering the SEC to enforce action through its administrative proceedings.

The ruling comes two days after the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to a hear a separate but similar case involving the SEC’s administrative powers and in-house judges in a suit brought by Texas accountant Michelle Cochran.

In the 5th Circuit case, Jarkesy created two hedge funds and selected Patriot28 as an investment adviser. In 2011, the SEC brought action against Jarkesy and Patriot28, accusing them of overvaluing their investment fund and misrepresenting data to attract investors.

An administrative law judge within the SEC ruled that Jarkesy and Patriot28 had committed securities fraud, as did the SEC’s internal commission.

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They were fined $300,000, and Jarkesy was barred from interacting with brokers, investors and others within the industry.

Before bringing the case to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, Jarkesy and Patriot28 had attempted to bring the case before the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit but were denied and sent back to the SEC’s administrative process.

The Dodd-Frank Act, passed after the 2008 financial crisis, empowered the SEC to bring cases before its own internal judges and institute penalties against defendants.

This has potential to gut a whole load of agencies in the US. No more internal reviews or adjudication out of public view when they are trying to pin something on the peasants. Could easily see this going to the supreme court.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2022 12:15 pm

Winston

It will be a ding dong Battle between the two old chooks Pelosi and Clinton.

In 1942 0r 43, when Gordon Bennett commanded III Corps in WA, Blamey sent the 1st Armoured Division, commanded by HCH (Red Robbie) Robertson, to III Corps. He is claimed to have expressed the hope that “Those two red-headed bastards will kill each other”.

Can we hope the same for a Pelosi/Shrillary contest?

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 12:15 pm

Monkeypox has been detected in Sydney….

Prediction: Elbow down with monkey pox within next 12 hours.

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 12:17 pm

All the lefties in rage on twaddle re: Roy Morgan report showing “real” unemployment at 9.1%.

Forgetting that while ABS data isn’t always the best indicator, they’ve used the same calculation procedure for decades.

It’s a bit like lefties crying out that the Lord Monckton Institute of Climate accurately shows no warming when inaccurately CSIRO does…Consistency much?

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 12:17 pm

Driving a Prado double tank.

What caliber main gun does that have?

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2022 12:17 pm

Passing carnivores might also contribute to the damage.

Yes – that is possible. I was aware of the ritual in some areas of placing the body on timber structure, & no doubt, as in other cultures, birds of prey would also consume a lot of the remains.

But I suppose, when you think about it, bodies do obviously decay, or are dug up/consumed etc over a very long time.

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 12:18 pm

Mungo Man was significant because it had evidence of partial cremation.

Or BBQ went wrong.

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 12:19 pm

Monkeypox has been detected in Sydney….

2 YEARS LOCKDOWN NOW!

Lol. I’m imagining how the catastrophists will navigate the homosexual transmission connection.

I don’t think the Grim Reaper ads will work this time.

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 12:21 pm

What caliber main gun does that have?

The James Bond twin machine gun version.

Plus a bag of dirty laundry countermeasures.

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 12:24 pm
Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 12:25 pm

Old Ozzie:

There seem to be so many policy decisions now that would appear to help America’s adversaries such as Russia and especially China, rather than what is best for America, that, on February 2, 2022, the Republican Leader of the House of Representatives, Kevin McCarthy — despite a disagreement with former President Donald Trump and a subsequent “genuflection” by way of apology — after mentioning the current administration’s “self-created crises,” noted that “Almost every page,” of the Biden Administration’s 3000 page America Competes Act “has a provision that helps China but hurts America.” McCarthy cited, among other matters:

The US is now finding out the Second Amendment isn’t supposed to be a threat – it’s meant to be used and this is what happens when you sit on your arse polishing your weapon and drinking beer when you should be using the damn thing.
Gun owners of America, the Democrats called your bluff and you folded!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 20, 2022 12:25 pm

FiL had his 5th transfusion this morning. Wife, Daughter and grandson flying out next week. The wait for grandson’s passport was delayed several times and in the end they admitted they lost it. Just hope he lasts to see his great grandson. We get conflicting reports from family members. I tell my wife he’s going to die, nearly 89. Doesn’t make it any easier, but really. He’s had a pretty good life,rarely sick except for the last few years.

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2022 12:26 pm

Event 202: What are Smallpox Pandemic Simulations Foreshadowing?

Old Ozzie – I have never thought this would be all over, even should Covid decline into oblivion.

Quite the contrary. Whether you believe that the world governments consist of ignorant, nervous nellies and /or sinister power hungry conspiratorial elites……..they were eminently successful in gaining and holding onto power through terrorising (mostly) gullible populations throughout the western world.

Whether their persistence will unleash worldwide civil rebellion only time will tell. Meanwhile, we should all prepare for the worst and – as they say -hope and pray for the best.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 20, 2022 12:34 pm

Ongoing Surrender “On Far Bigger Scale Than Kyiv Has Acknowledged” At Azovstal

Russia’s defense ministry has now revised the numbers of Ukrainian fighters to have emerged from the besieged Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol upward to more than 1,700 soldiers that have left the plant. A new Reuters headline has stressed that there’s ongoing “silence from Kyiv” as the surrender is on a much larger than expected scale:
Statements from early in the week by Ukrainian officials, including President Zelensky, attempted to downplay this as “surrender” – avoiding the word altogether and instead stressing the end of the “combat mission” and that its Azov fighters were “evacuated”.

Russian-backed separatists in control of the area, Denis Pushilin, has recently said many of Azov’s top commanders still remain inside the huge, cavernous steelworks facility.

Reuters observes, “The ultimate outcome of Europe’s bloodiest battle for decades remained publicly unresolved, with no confirmation of the fate of the hundreds of Ukrainian troops who had held out in a vast steelworks at the end of a near three-month siege.”

“Ukraine, which says it aims to secure a prisoner swap, has declined to say how many were inside the plant or comment on the fate of the rest, since confirming that just over 250 had surrendered in the initial hours after it ordered them to yield,” the report added.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 12:36 pm

Wodger:

The big problem is that the damage already done may take decades to undo.

The lead time for a power station turbine is at 6 years and counting.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 12:37 pm

From Zulu’s link at 8.33:

Person 1 has previously given evidence that Roberts-Smith told him in 2006 that “if your performance doesn’t improve on our next patrol, you’re going to get a bullet in the back of the head”.

I was never in the SASR, and my own time in an infantry battalion was quite a while back.

However, I will assert that ‘Person 1”s statement is absolute horseshit, and fabricated for the consumption of those familiar only with TV and the movies.

Never, ever and not once have I heard the term ‘bullet’ in any military capacity whatsoever. ‘Round’, or ’rounds’ and/or ‘ammo’ for plural, but never ‘bullet’.

I am extremely happy to stand corrected by those with later relevant experience, but mine tells me Person 1’s pants are well and truly blazing.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 20, 2022 12:39 pm

Biden’s Big Lie: ‘Green’ Energy Doesn’t Save Money, It’s 4-6 Times More-Expensive

President Joe Biden keeps claiming that wind and solar energy are going to save money for consumers. But more government subsidies to “renewable energy” is a key feature of the White House anti-inflation strategy recently announced by Biden.

He probably got that idea from John Kerry, the administration’s climate czar, who recently claimed that “solar and wind are less expensive than coal or oil or gas.” Pete Buttigieg, the Biden Transportation secretary, makes the same claims about the thousands of dollars that motorists can save if they buy electric cars.

This couldn’t be more wrong.

Proponents of “green” energy boondoggles are often masters at playing with the numbers, because that is the only way that wind and solar electricity generation make any sense. Advocates such as Kerry love to focus on the low operating costs of solar and wind since they don’t require constant purchases of fuel. Ignoring the relatively short lifespan of solar and wind components, as well as the high initial investment, can make it appear as though solar and wind operate at lower costs than fossil fuels or nuclear power.

Let’s get the facts straight. The cost isn’t just what you pay at the retail level for gas or power. It also includes the taxes you pay to subsidize the power. A 2017 study by the Department of Energy found that for every dollar of government subsidy per BTU unit of energy produced from fossil fuels, wind and solar get at least $10.

That’s anything but a money saver.

The reason the subsidies are so high is that solar and wind have additional costs compared to their more reliable competition. “Green” energy sources are non-dispatchable, meaning their output can’t be changed to match demand. The wind doesn’t blow harder, and the sun doesn’t shine brighter, just because electricity use is peaking.

Conversely, fossil fuel entities—such as a coal plant—can ramp up generation when we need it most and ramp down when demand falls.

Widespread adoption of solar and wind generation would necessitate expensive batteries on a large scale to ensure that people still have power when the wind stops blowing or when the sun stops shining—like it does every single night.

So, unlike reliable and flexible natural gas, solar and wind require large-scale storage solutions: massive banks of batteries that are hardly environmentally friendly but are also extremely expensive. And since batteries don’t last forever, they add to both the initial expense and maintenance costs during the life of a solar or wind energy generating station.

The same problem exists with electric cars. The sticker price on EVs is considerably higher than for conventional gas-operated cars, and the so-called savings over time assume that the electric power for recharging is free. But it isn’t and power costs are rising almost as fast as gas prices.

Factors such as these are consistently ignored by Kerry and other “green” energy activists.

To genuinely evaluate dissimilar energy sources and provide an apples-to-apples comparison, the U.S. Energy Information Administration uses the Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) and the Levelized Cost of Storage (LCOS). These measures consider the initial costs, the lifespan of generation and storage systems, maintenance and fuel costs, decommissioning expenses, subsidies, etc., and compare that to how much electricity is produced over a power plant’s lifetime.

The numbers don’t lie: “green” energy is a complete waste of resources.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 12:40 pm

The lead time for a power station turbine is at 6 years and counting.

Given it’s Australia probably add another 4.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2022 12:51 pm

Never, ever and not once have I heard the term ‘bullet’ in any military capacity whatsoever. ‘Round’, or ’rounds’ and/or ‘ammo’ for plural, but never ‘bullet’

Good point – my experience was similar.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 12:59 pm

What’s this corpo masks back on shit about? Monkey pox? COVID Forever?

Fuck this, I’m fucking out!

Zipster
May 20, 2022 1:02 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-20/nsw-identifies-probable-case-of-monkeypox/101084864

who.the.fuck.is.spreading.this

do all roads lead to china?

Zipster
May 20, 2022 1:05 pm

The aboriginal population of Australia was estimated at 750,000 at the time of tHe InVasiOn.

I would say that’s a gross over estimation considering there are only supposed to be 1/2 million now

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 1:05 pm

The ACCC is urging consumers to urgently check if their LG, SolaX or Opal home energy solar systems are affected by dangerous LG solar energy storage batteries which are under recall, and if so to contact the manufacturer, immediately.

The batteries can overheat and catch fire, which could lead to serious injuries, death and property damage.

LG has recalled the batteries, but about 6400 of the recalled batteries have not yet been replaced, and the ACCC is concerned that these consumers may not be aware of the recall and the fire risk.

RTWT

Jorge
Jorge
May 20, 2022 1:16 pm

I read there were only 30,000.

Zipster
May 20, 2022 1:17 pm

do all roads lead to china?

high time the west in and flushed these chicom turds down the toilet, the writing is on the wall, this only ends one way throughout the whole of human history. the sooner we get it over and done with the easier it will be and the smaller the loss of life

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2022 1:19 pm

So here is the fear p0rn for you

My favourite headline today:

Doomsday warning as huge stockpile of sugar found in oceans: ‘Declining rapidly’ (19 May)

Manuel Liebeke, head of the Institute’s Metabolic Interactions Research Group said: “It is estimated that there are between 0.6 and 1.3 million tons of sugar in the rhizosphere of seagrasses worldwide.”

This quantity is equivalent to about 32 billion cans of soda.

Seagrasses are among the most threatened habitats on our planet, and if they were to disappear, the researchers warn that astronomical amounts of CO? and sugar would be released into the atmosphere.

“Astronomical amounts of CO2” which, with a little work on a calculator, turns out to be less than half an hour of coal consumption globally.

P
P
May 20, 2022 1:21 pm
Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 1:23 pm

Re aboriginal bones recovery etc, I would have thought given they seemed to have little evidence of burial, then skeletons would have been dismantled and redistributed by wild animals.

Unless of course Bruce Pascoe wants to argue there were cemeteries and tombstones? In that case, given his expertise, I would withdraw my suggestion.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2022 1:24 pm

Event 202: What are Smallpox Pandemic Simulations Foreshadowing?

But, but, but, wait on! Didn’t the UN claim that it had completely eradicated smallpox from the planet?

And didn’t that “elimination” involve a massive vaccination program (using a vaccine that actually works)?

From whence will come the pandemic? Whose laboratory working under contract from Fauci?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 20, 2022 1:24 pm

Went and voted, candidates lackeys don’t like being told how useless the candidate is. I never used any foul language like I should have to better describe the excrement. Even managed to speak to 2 candidates, one of which I called a climate fantatist. The other, the sitting senator, had failed to represent the electorate during the whole plandemic and his party failed Australia completely. Never again. Got the mean girl in again as well. Soon as Kimberley Kitchings is mentioned they turn to jelly.

johanna
johanna
May 20, 2022 1:24 pm

Calli, loving your travel notes, keep ’em coming. Short, pithy and capturing the essence – my favourite kind of writing.

A while ago I mentioned a woman from around Armidale who was staying at the motel as being like The Drover’s Wife reincarnated. Well, she’s back, sadly to visit a son who is in hospital after a car crash.

To reiterate – she’s tall and thin, with straight, straggly iron grey hair hanging just above her shoulders. Last time she wore bright floral dresses, but this time, perhaps in keeping with the circumstances, she dons a shapeless black dress with a scanty black cardigan, atop brown elastic sided boots and short socks. Or thongs, if the temperature is above 12C. When the sun is out she wears a dark green eyeshade (no top).

I’ve chatted with her, and she speaks like someone who doesn’t often talk to people, IYKWIM. Friendly enough, no fool, but also just a bit off centre. There are some isolated properties and villages in the mountains around Armidale. I’m guessing she’s a mountain woman who doesn’t go into town much.

At the other end of the spectrum, we had a fillum crew here last night who were shooting a night time motel scene. Things didn’t go to plan, there was a lot of arguing, and since they started much later than intended, they wound up shooting late at night when the temperature was approaching zero. I don’t know what the fillum is, but it wasn’t a low budget affair – there were several trucks, much equipment, and about 15 people milling around, shivering and swearing. Heh. Suffer for your art, boys and girls. We do, and probably pay for it as well.

Finally, the City of Queanbeyan has these little memorial plaques dotted around the pavement in the main street commemorating famous alumni. Yesterday I spotted the money shot – the George Lazenby plaque, now a shrine for me. GL was a very acceptable Bond and a damned fine looking man. 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 20, 2022 1:26 pm

Zipster

I would say that’s a gross over estimation considering there are only supposed to be 1/2 million now

And very many of those are, how shall I put it delicately? Of mixed genetic heritage?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 20, 2022 1:27 pm

The AEC lady asked me if I was entitled to cast an early vote. I said yes but didn’t offer a reason. She didn’t push it.

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2022 1:28 pm

Re aboriginal bones recovery etc, I would have thought given they seemed to have little evidence of burial, then skeletons would have been dismantled and redistributed by wild animals.

Thanks for all the propositions to my idle question. Really interesting. I think Top Ender’s explanation is pretty close to the truth.

Jorge
Jorge
May 20, 2022 1:29 pm

Laura Tingle on Twitter declaring she is “embarrassed for my profession” because some young journo was hounding Albo with questions yesterday. Lots of others including Mike Carlton in hearty agreement.
What they should be reporting is Albo’s clumsy inability to manage a presser and the shroud of silence thrown over his nervous and aggressive panic when wrong footed.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 1:29 pm

Not quite what I thought but it seems the hero who landed the Cessna 208 Caravan with no flying experience story was bullshit. He was friends with the owner who had owned it for 7 years and had a lot of experience in it as a passenger. As Dan says, if he was flying with me he’d be doing takeoffs and landings. Only thing the guy was missing was an actual pilot’s licence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4qfMAXGpT4

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 1:32 pm

Craig McLachlan has dropped his defamation case.

I wonder why?

Behind Enemy Lines
Behind Enemy Lines
May 20, 2022 1:33 pm

Reposted from another thread:

Terry Barnes:

Opposition would bring nothing but an open invitation for Liberals to eat each other alive, unleash ferocious factional wars, and set federal and state organisations against each other.

I voted early, and this is exactly what I’m hoping to achieve.

Irrespective of which branch of the UniParty gets to rule Australia, we’re going to get ruled even harder this time around.

So let the so-called ‘liberal’ party go kill itself. That’s what it deserves. If anyone worthwhile emerges from the mess, we can consider them on their merits later on.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2022 1:36 pm

Re aboriginal skeletons: acidic soils will pretty much dissolve bones. A quick check brings up this map, which suggests the coastal fringes where most of the aboriginal population would’ve lived are acidic.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 1:37 pm

“Laura Tingle on Twitter declaring she is “embarrassed for my profession” because some young journo was hounding Albo with questions yesterday. Lots of others including Mike Carlton in hearty agreement.
What they should be reporting is Albo’s clumsy inability to manage a presser and the shroud of silence thrown over his nervous and aggressive panic when wrong footed.”

Well yeah but they want their man to get over the line. Shingle and co are no doubt having a dig at Sky’s Jonathan Lea who, when at Channel Ten in 2019, cornered Bill Shorten during the election campaign saying “answer the question Mr Shorten”.

Shingle and co represent everything that’s wrong with their ABC and contemporary journalism. As for “pour the gin” Mike Carlton…the less said the better.

Whenever I’m unfortunate enough to see a picture of Shingle, I’m reminded of a ghoul….ghastly, ghastly woman. I wonder what Sam Neill ever saw in her.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 1:38 pm

I have no doubts the people smugglers are smacking their lips, clapping their hands and jumping up and down with glee at the thought of an Albanese government.

How many days/weeks before the first boat?

johanna
johanna
May 20, 2022 1:58 pm

The steady erosion of the concept of everyone voting on the same day that has occurred in recent years is disturbing.

The original idea was that it would be a level playing field – at a certain point in time, with whatever information was available, all the punters would make a decision about who to vote for. In the last few years, using every excuse available, this concept has been eroded to the point where you could find that you had voted for a serial killer two weeks before he was caught but before election day. I exaggerate to make the point, but it is valid.

Then there is electronic voting, which is being pushed by the incompetent AEC (which can’t even properly manage pencil and paper voting) and stupid or venal politicians. Whatever its shortcomings, the system of paper ballots counted by hand and overseen by scrutineers from the candidates preserves the integrity of voting far more than any electronic system ever could. In a country of 25 million people, it is quite manageable. Yet, various interests are straining at the bit to get rid of it. Why?

duncanm
duncanm
May 20, 2022 1:58 pm

GreyRangasays:
May 20, 2022 at 12:25 pm

GR – I feel for you.

Make sure you’re there for your partner.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 2:05 pm

I have no problem with early voting, except that when it opens all party policies, costings etc must have been announced. Same for independents. Then the voting period allows for public debate and assessment of the policies and the voters can decide.
It’s all bullshit anyway, sortition is the way to go.

johanna
johanna
May 20, 2022 2:28 pm

How long can the Biden administration get away with this:

On Tuesday’s edition of “Bloomberg Markets,” Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said he has no idea why the Biden administration is begging OPEC to ship more energy and exploring lifting sanctions on Venezuela and Iran to address gas prices while remaining neutral on Michigan’s efforts to shut down the Line 5 pipeline.

Kenney said, “Well, what I’m hearing from my American counterparts is that the number one concern of Americans right now is inflation, especially on energy, the price of gas. The president himself has said that this is a crisis that he’s very focused on and he’s been pleading with OPEC generally, Saudi Arabia in particular, to produce and ship more. He’s — his administration has been trying to lift sanctions on both Venezuelan and Iranian oil exports. So, our point is, instead of looking to the world’s worst regimes who are, in some cases, sworn enemies of the United States, like Iran and Venezuela, why not turn to your closest friend, neighbor, and ally, which already ships 62% of U.S. oil imports? That comes from Alberta, Canada.”

After the discussion turned to the Line 5 pipeline, “I don’t know why the Biden government — the Biden administration is sitting on the fence neutral on this issue while pleading that OPEC ship more energy and you have a U.S. governor trying to shut down a pipeline that, for six decades, has safely delivered over half a million barrels a day of Canadian energy, largely to the upper Midwest to refineries in Ohio, Pennsylvania. Detroit airport would shut down without the aviation fuel coming off Line 5. The Upper Michigan Peninsula would not be able to heat homes in the winter without the propane off that line. So, while the U.S. is facing an energy crisis, why in the world would the U.S. government not come on, side with Canada and Alberta and just tell the governor of Michigan, work with Enbridge on the new, safe, subterranean pipeline to replace the one that’s been safely operating for 60 years?”

At Breitbart, no link, sorry.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 2:33 pm

Re Monkey Pox.
It appears that many who grind their organ need to involve a monkey.

johanna
johanna
May 20, 2022 2:36 pm

Eyrie says:
May 20, 2022 at 2:05 pm

I have no problem with early voting, except that when it opens all party policies, costings etc must have been announced. Same for independents. Then the voting period allows for public debate and assessment of the policies and the voters can decide.
It’s all bullshit anyway, sortition is the way to go.

Grow up, no way to control policies and costings to a specific date, except election day. So yeah, let’s opt for something that will never happen (sortition) instead.

The only honest way to do it is to stop stretching the original concept of everyone voting on the same day with the same information. Every step away from that is a step away from electoral integrity – which is possibly why it is so popular in certain circles.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 2:39 pm

Whenever I’m unfortunate enough to see a picture of Shingle, I’m reminded of a ghoul….ghastly, ghastly woman. I wonder what Sam Neill ever saw in her.

Saw a report on Elbow’s press club tummy tickling the other night.
In the background was the unmistakable Kath Day-Knight frizzy ‘do of La Tingle, chatting to snaggle-tooth Elbow. My lip-reading tells me she was asking, “Is there anything we can do to help?”
I think there is panic in the ALPBC because the forecast landslide of two months ago is looking more like a teal and orange tinged cluster-fuck.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 2:40 pm

Kerry Chant in the Tele on monkeypox:

“The infection is usually a mild illness and most people recover within a few weeks.”

No descriptors like ‘insidious’, ‘beast’ or ‘clever’, then.

Go hard and get it into you. Apparently.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 2:43 pm

It’s all bullshit anyway

sortition is the way to go.

(Swoon)

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 2:43 pm

The Democratic Party has decided the only way it can win elections in the future is by branding its opponents domestic terrorists – and using the FBI to harass and arrest them. Unfortunately, the change of strategy won’t come soon enough to avoid the DNC being wiped out in this year’s mid-terms – which makes it, at best, a fascist wet dream. Tucker Carlson Tonight.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 2:45 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

May 20, 2022 at 1:32 pm

Craig McLachlan has dropped his defamation case.

I wonder why?

Because the sisterhood are livid that the previous case didn’t go their way, and have lined up scores of “witnesses” to kill this one off.

JC
JC
May 20, 2022 2:46 pm

Anyone suggesting it’s a uniparty is a moron.

At the same time, Labor unveiled its policy costings, which showed budget deficits over the next four years would collectively be $8.4 billion higher than the Coalition’s forecasts.

Anthony Albanese at the Goodstart Early Learning Centre in West Ryde on Thursday. Alex Ellinghausen
Shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers said this was a consequence of productivity-inducing spending on childcare, clean energy and skills.

Childcare, “glean” energy and skills increase productivity. These lunatics actually believe the crap they’re pushing to the punters and increasing the already massive debt.

JC
JC
May 20, 2022 2:49 pm

Tom don’t totally discount Cronkite’s prediction that the demons could literally cancel elections or massively cheat.

Cronkite and arty were the only two who pegged the result of the 2020 election and why.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 2:53 pm

no way to control policies and costings to a specific date, except election day
We used to have a media blackout of 48 hours before the election.
There’s nothing sacred about all voting on one day. We don’t all vote in the same hour. No reason not to have a longer voting period. Counting doesn’t start until voting period ends – which isn’t the case right now where the polls in WA will be open for 2 hours after counting starts in the east.

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 2:58 pm

Tom don’t totally discount Cronkite’s prediction that the demons could literally cancel elections or massively cheat.

JC, that would trigger an actual civil war — millions of men with guns versus the FBI, the Democratic Party and their media lapdogs, not the current seething (but latent) unrest in the red states.

American men have had a gutful of the corrupt girly thieves in Washington and the media barricade they hide behind.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 2:58 pm

“Because the sisterhood are livid that the previous case didn’t go their way, and have lined up scores of “witnesses” to kill this one off”

Yep……that thought did cross my mind.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 3:08 pm

I’m reading a book.
Unusual I know.
It’s Z car detective by William Prendergast.
Apparently he was a consultant to a TV show of that name made by the BBC in the 60s?
Wouldn’t mind seeing a couple of episodes.
Book is a little dry, anecdotes from his thirty years on the job.
A reminder of the white privilege of the British working classes, the first chapter was him doing a death notification in the 1930s as a beat cop for a chap in his seventies who died of starvation back when the OAP was ten shillings a week single, and got you a shared two rooms in a two up two down, no bathroom and a privy shared with the entire row.
I knew someone who grew up in Liverpool in the 60s, said they used to play in world war two bomb sites, no doubt true.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 3:10 pm

From the Daily Telegraph. Sancho’s right…..poor man, his career is over.


Overwhelming’: Craig McLachlan breaks his silence

Aussie actor Craig McLachlan has broken his silence after dropping a defamation case against a former co-star and two media outlets.

‘I’m an innocent man’: Craig McLachlan’s defamation trial

The Aussie actor has denied claims of any alleged indecent assault and harassment of colleagues, during his defamation trial against ABC, Fairfax Media and former colleague Christie Whelan Browne.
Police & Courts

Craig McLachlan and Christie Whelan-Browne have both spoken out after the Neighbours star sensationally dropped a defamation case against his former co-star and two media outlets.

The barrister for the media outlets, Michael Hodge QC, told Justice Carolyn Simpson at midday on Friday he had “just been given notice” the case would be dropped.

“We’ve just been given notice that Mr McLachlan is applying for leave to discontinue the proceedings,” Mr Hodge said.

The actor sent a statement to reporters saying the case had put an “utterly overwhelming” strain on him and his family.

“I cannot continue to place my family under that strain, and my own mental health will not withstand the continuing pressure,” McLachlan said.

Christie Whelan-Browne, whom McLachlan sued for defamation, said she had been “significantly traumatised” over the past four years.

“Ending the case now will finally bring to an end the four years we have endured since the publications were first made, as well as avoiding the need for other witnesses to have to endure the cross-examination process.

“Along the way, I have been through a criminal trial, in which I was acquitted of all charges which were brought against me, and I look forward to restoring my health and spending more time with friends and family who have stood by me through this process.”

McLachlan was suing the ABC, Nine and actor Christie Whelan-Browne for defamation.

The 56-year-old claimed the media companies and Whelan Browne defamed him by publishing stories in January 2018, which he said falsely portrayed him as having harassed and bullied female performers in the 2014 run of The Rocky Horror Show.

He denied the allegations.

The first of 11 women was due to give evidence against McLachlan on Friday.

Costs will now be determined against the Gold Logie winner.

The defamation proceedings in the NSW Supreme Court began last Monday and the trial was meant to last four weeks.

During the first two weeks, the four-person jury heard testimony from witnesses called by McLachlan.

The actor also took the stand himself.

His barrister Kieran Smark, SC, sought to portray the entertainment industry as a workplace where high spirits and sexually charged humour prevailed.

In his opening remarks he told the jury: “The way that actors deal with each other and with the stresses of performing is somewhat different to other workplaces.”

McLachlan, during his evidence, told the court the atmosphere between the entire cast of the Rocky Horror Show was friendly and affectionate, and that they used to “clown around” and were “physically and verbally affectionate towards each other”.

But Mr Hodge said 11 women were prepared to tell the jury they were harassed by McLachlan.

“It is anticipated those 11 women will give evidence about what the defendants say are incidents of sexual harassment, indecent exposure, indecent assault, assault and bullying those women experienced at the hands of Mr McLachlan,” Mr Hodge told the court.

Other witnesses were also expected to give evidence to support the allegations.

Mr Hodge explained five of the women were actors in the 2014 production of The Rocky Horror Show and one was a crew member.

The remaining five worked with McLachlan on other productions, including Neighbours in the 1980s, Channel 7’s City Homicide, The Doctor Blake Mysteries and one woman was a cast member in the 2018 season of The Rocky Horror Show.

Two of the women were expected to give evidence that McLachlan called them into their dressing room while he was naked, while another was pulled into a dressing room and kissed, making her uncomfortable, the court was told.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:13 pm

Shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers said this was a consequence of productivity-inducing spending on childcare, clean energy and skills.

I want to see how many mothers selling packets of nails at Bunnings boosts productivity, instead of having a vending machine.

Zipster
May 20, 2022 3:23 pm

But Mr Hodge said 11 women were prepared to tell the jury they were harassed by McLachlan.

not possible to get a fair hearing when everything has been reframed as an assault

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 20, 2022 3:25 pm

which showed budget deficits over the next four years would collectively be $8.4 billion higher than the Coalition’s forecasts.

Destinations the same.
Instead of hacking at your todger with a steak knife you are whittling away with a cheese grater.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 3:25 pm

poor man, his career is over

To be fair, his career should have been over the exact instant Craig McLachlan And Check 1 – 2 released ‘Mona’.

Every day since has been undeserved gravy.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 3:27 pm

“not possible to get a fair hearing when everything has been reframed as an assault”

Yep.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 20, 2022 3:31 pm

Dover please ban Knuckle Dragger for causing me to have an absolutely atrocious 80’s flashback by mentioning a tune whistled by satan himself as he pineapples new arrivals.

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 3:37 pm

Laura Tingle on Twitter declaring she is “embarrassed for my profession” because some young journo was hounding Albo with questions yesterday. Lots of others including Mike Carlton in hearty agreement.

More “how can we help”-ers.

No political bias in Australia’s Press Gang. No siree.

johanna
johanna
May 20, 2022 3:37 pm

Eyrie says:
May 20, 2022 at 2:53 pm

no way to control policies and costings to a specific date, except election day
We used to have a media blackout of 48 hours before the election.
There’s nothing sacred about all voting on one day. We don’t all vote in the same hour. No reason not to have a longer voting period. Counting doesn’t start until voting period ends – which isn’t the case right now where the polls in WA will be open for 2 hours after counting starts in the east.

There is still a media blackout, you ignoramous, although it is meaningless in the age of social media.

There is nothing sacred about voting in one year or ten years, either. What is your point?

When voting was established, so was the concept of a voting day. Everyone was on the same page as far as information was concerned, and the decision could be made quickly and cleanly.

What seems to be the trend is that people are not on the same page when they vote and the result can take weeks or more. That’s leaving aside the whole question of phony votes.

Not good.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 20, 2022 3:39 pm

So, China Virus would be both racist and uninspiring so = “novel coronavirus SARS CoV-2 COVID-19 v.DeltaAlphaCharlie vv.B.S. 2.21.4”
And, visible lesions on gay men couldn’t possibly be misconstrued so = “Monkeypox”.

Zipster
May 20, 2022 3:40 pm

It’s not clear how people in those clusters were exposed to monkeypox but cases include people who self-identify as men who have sex with men

I wonder, could there be a name for that…

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 3:41 pm

We used to have a media blackout of 48 hours before the election.

You bloody racist.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:41 pm

John Adams, living in the 1780s like JC, Peter Schiff and David Ricardo (and another more famous John Adams).*

*I used to blaze up with Johnny Hopkins and that Sloan Kettering MF’er.

Satoshi Nakamoto is the Deep State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3LJjV_vrJ8

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 3:42 pm

But seriously (great album),
a media “fade out” or “NeutralColourOut” 48 hours before an election only applies to traditional media.

It hasn’t caught up with texts, phone spams, social media, youtube etc…

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:43 pm

I voted today.

I have never seen so many people vote early.

It’s a democracy cake walk, as Dennis Leary might say.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 3:43 pm

I’m inclined to agree that the collective mind on a particular day was what was intended and should be adhered to as closely as possible.
Pre poll should require some hoop jumping, not ‘because I feel like it’ though in truth the maker of that remark had health issues that justified rolling in for an early vote.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:44 pm

It hasn’t caught up with texts, phone spams, social media, youtube etc…

Whilst I agree with the UAP’s general direction on the issue, their SMS about the pandemic treaty is comedy gold.

Better than Mediscare. About 100 times better.

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 3:45 pm

Anyway…. Nancy’s out!...

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2022 3:45 pm

I have never seen so many people vote early.

That’s to keep the weekend free which is their most important priority.
They are in for a very rude shock.

Lysander
Lysander
May 20, 2022 3:46 pm

Lysander scores Gold!!!

I’d like to thank me mum, dad and God.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:47 pm

Ugh…John Adams says BTC came about after the GFC…

No, maybe the credit crunch.

From wiki (more annoyed grunting).

Background
Prior to the release of bitcoin, there were a number of digital cash technologies starting with the issuer based ecash protocols of David Chaum and Stefan Brands.[3][4][5] The idea that solutions to computational puzzles could have some value was first proposed by cryptographers Cynthia Dwork and Moni Naor in 1992. The idea was independently rediscovered by Adam Back who developed hashcash, a proof-of-work scheme for spam control in 1997.[6] The first proposals for distributed digital scarcity based cryptocurrencies were Wei Dai’s b-money[7] and Nick Szabo’s bit gold.[8][9] Hal Finney developed reusable proof of work (RPOW) using hashcash as its proof of work algorithm.[10]

In the bit gold proposal which proposed a collectible market-based mechanism for inflation control, Nick Szabo also investigated some additional aspects including a Byzantine fault-tolerant agreement protocol based on quorum addresses to store and transfer the chained proof-of-work solutions, which was vulnerable to Sybil attacks, though.[9]

Creation
On the 4th of January 2008, the domain name bitcoin.org was registered.[11] Later that year, on 31 October, a link to a paper authored by Satoshi Nakamoto titled Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System[12] was posted to a cryptography mailing list.[13] This paper detailed methods of using a peer-to-peer network to generate what was described as “a system for electronic transactions without relying on trust”.[14][15][16] On 3 January 2009, the bitcoin network came into existence with Satoshi Nakamoto mining the genesis block of bitcoin (block number 0), which had a reward of 50 bitcoins.[14][17] Embedded in the coinbase of this block was the text:

The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks[18]

The text refers to a headline in The Times published on 3 January 2009.[19] This note has been interpreted as both a timestamp of the genesis date and a derisive comment on the instability caused by fractional-reserve banking.[20]:?18?

The first open source bitcoin client was released on 9 January 2009, hosted at SourceForge.[21][22]

One of the first supporters, adopters, contributors to bitcoin and receiver of the first bitcoin transaction was programmer Hal Finney. Finney downloaded the bitcoin software the day it was released, and received 10 bitcoins from Nakamoto in the world’s first bitcoin transaction on 12 January 2009 (bloc 170).[23][24] Other early supporters were Wei Dai, creator of bitcoin predecessor b-money, and Nick Szabo, creator of bitcoin predecessor bit gold.[14]

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2022 3:48 pm

I’m doing italics like the Russian military.
Unintended targets wiped out.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:49 pm

Hendo’s cartoon about Wilcox is pffftt…holy crap, that was mean and that was very funny.

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 3:49 pm

Moondarra Lake is a must-see if you’re in Isa. An extensive, earth wall structure, it sends out fingers of life sustaining water into a dozen drowned valleys. And, of course, it supplies the city. I believe it’s best viewed at sunset, when you get a magnificent light display. Not for us, sadly.

There are a number of attractive picnic areas complete with peacocks of all things. These are determined cadgers of tidbits, a fine feathered mafia running a waterside protection racket.

The Beloved ventured “off road” for a bit on the flats beside the lake. I felt tempted to suggest he wore his “Durango” hat, bought in Wyoming, but decided not to tempt fate. Decided to return to the designated road when the inclines got a bit too much. A pair of massive bulls grazing waterside might have influenced things too.

You simply can’t get lost here. Everywhere you lurk that monstrous chimney intrudes. Re-crossing the Leichhardt I noticed that while the northern side of the bridge is just puddles, the southern side opens out into quite a substantial body of water. How welcome it must have been for those early explorers.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:51 pm

Adams and Martin say the NSA had something to do with it in 1996, but it was being proposed as far back as 1992, openly and publicly by academics.

They’re like Jadis. They haven’t looked back far enough. There is a magic deeper than time, the spooks can’t win.

Dot
Dot
May 20, 2022 3:54 pm

LOL

Wikipedia is even funnier.

They have un-personed Dr Craig S Wright!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 4:01 pm

Randomly scanning through the online rags in a quiet moment.

I would assert, at this juncture, that the following does not qualify as dead horse flogging – because there’s a genuine question behind it. This is part of a piece in adelaidenow (the ex-‘Tiser) on ‘quirky candidates’:

A South Australian federal election candidate has taken to social media to claim Australians are on the brink of being sent to forced labour camps.

Suzanne Waters, the United Australia candidate for Grey which spans 92 per cent of the state, said the election was “a choice between freedom and communism” before comparing the country’s future to the system of the Gulag.

The Gulag was a series of forced labour camps and prisons set up in Soviet Russia from the 1920s to the mid-1950s through which it is believed 18 million people passed and between 1.2 and 1.8 million died as a result of their incarceration.

“After this election, if we don’t have a change, we might all end up in the Gulag – and that is not a far stretch,” Ms Waters said.

“This will be the last chance you have at (freedom), there will be no turning back after this election.

“You will have no hope. We’re about to have a tyrannical takeover in our government.”

My question is this – noting the concepts and language used by this fully-UAP-endorsed woman, and making the obvious comparison – what the hell is Clive playing at?

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
May 20, 2022 4:06 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
May 20, 2022 at 4:01 pm…..Remember, it was Clive who gave us Jackie Jackie…..UAP sets a low bar.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 4:12 pm

You’re impressed by Z Car Detective then Rosie?

My dad – still with us – was a London Met copper in the 50s and up to 1965 when we emigrated.

Might get it for him if you think it’s worth it. I see it’s on Abebooks.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 4:16 pm

Scott Morrison says people smugglers in Indonesia are “getting ready” if a Labor government is elected, as he doubled down on his refusal to intervene to allow the Murugappan family, pictured above, to return to Biloela.

The Prime Minister said the family had not been found to be valid refugees by a court, warning granting them visas could set a dangerous precedent and lead to an influx of people coming to Australia by boat.

“If you grant visas to people who have illegally entered Australia, you may as well start writing the prospectus for people smugglers.

“Now, I know when I say that people go, that couldn’t be true. That’s what Kevin Rudd thought in 2007. And then he got rid of temporary protection visas as Anthony Albanese says he’s going to do, and then 50,000 people turned up on 800 boats.”

Right now in Indonesia, those people smugglers are getting ready if a Labor government is elected. This is an important election. If you change course on border protection, as Labor are saying they will do, you can see all of that terror come back.”

Oz

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2022 4:19 pm

ABC radio news balanced to a fault.
Juliar gets a voiced misogyny dig in.
Monique Ryan gets an extended plug in for her faux covid vote fear.
LNP gets a two second mention of super for housing plan.
Barry Cassidy coming on to right the ship no doubt. It’s anyone’s guess how Barry will fall on matters political.
-Media are awful to the pollies.
-Barry quoting David Marr.
-First caller bagging the UAP advertising.
– News Corp going after the Teals.
– Very worried about Clive being awful.
– Barry picks……?……..Labor like 2007.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 20, 2022 4:25 pm

My question is this – noting the concepts and language used by this fully-UAP-endorsed woman, and making the obvious comparison – what the hell is Clive playing at?

These are probably better ppl than you’d get with sortition.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 4:36 pm

Ok Cats this is it. Call it as you see it. What is your predication of the election result?\

I’ll chuck in a prize: Australia Remembers 4 – the Bombing of Darwin, a book for your grandies or kids, suitable for upper primary/lower secondary. Prize includes postage to destination of your choice, and signed dedication.

One choice only; no changes to your suggestion once sent. I’ll begin.

Top Ender: Coalition to win by three seats.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 4:38 pm

(In the case of more than one getting it right, the chooser who registered first win. They will be the first such listed.)

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 4:38 pm

Libs are losing 2PP to Labor. But UAP/PHON/LDP are winning 2PP against Labor. The only way to ensure that no UAP/PHON/LDP preferences spill to Labor – and Labor thereby wins – is to ensure they are not eliminated.

Ha ha, UAP/PHON/LDP counted together aren’t drawing 5% of the vote.
I’d say Palmer is dragging down the ALP Primary vote, though.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 4:44 pm

My question is this – noting the concepts and language used by this fully-UAP-endorsed woman, and making the obvious comparison – what the hell is Clive playing at?

He’s trawling for Labor votes anywhere he can find them.
His ads today offered a Bill Of Rights, bound to suck in a few DumDums, particularly on the Senate Paper.
I’m pessimistic on Scotty getting up, but i’ll opine that Labor will get only 1 Senator in Queensland, The Greens will lose their Senator, Hanson and Palmer will be Elected and the LNP will hold their 3 Seats.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 4:51 pm

The Australian today reports that The Greens are a chance of winning Griffith from the ALP.
I’d say that’s a strong possibility, the average Voter in Griffith has NFI who Terri Butler is, her main claim to fame is that she erected a VOTE LABOR
marquee in Memorial Park Bulimba on Anzac Day 2019.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 5:06 pm

The Australian today reports that The Greens are a chance of winning Griffith from the ALP.

Well, a former member for Griffith insisted that climate change is the great moral challenge of this generation. Seems that quite a few people in the electorate took him at his word. Now the chickens are coming home to roost for Terri Butler.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:06 pm

Top Ender, book me in for Coalition to win by two seats (I am ever an optimist).

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 5:08 pm

I’ll squeak in for a single seat, TE.

Calli – LNP by a nostril.

calli
calli
May 20, 2022 5:09 pm

Albo just assured everyone he “had Integrity”.

I presume that’s her working name.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 5:10 pm

Top Ender’s ‘lection lotto.
Sancho says:-
Liars – 76
LNP – 73
Greens – 1
Teal – 1
UAP – 0

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:10 pm

People really can’t be that stupid, to vote in a Labor government in the present situation of Australia vis a vis China and our need to revive a manufacturing industry and keep our mining going …. can they??

The very thought of an Albo/Wong combo up and running through June gives me the heebies.
I won’t want to come back to that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:12 pm

Gosh, do we have to give a complete run-down of all results in order to win, as per Sancho?

I wouldn’t be brave enough to do that. Just Libs by two will do me.

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 5:14 pm

LNP 10 seats. Simon Holmes a’Court’s leg-openers: 0.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 5:14 pm

A South Australian federal election candidate has taken to social media to claim Australians are on the brink of being sent to forced labour camps.

Which party?

Suzanne Waters, the United Australia candidate for Grey …

Oh.
Right.
Said it before and I’ll say it again.
Massive tactical error to run in all seats instead of targeting 5-10 real possibilities.
The media were always going to find a fruit-loop like Suzanne in an unwinnable seat in the last week of the campaign for some juicy quotes.

areff
areff
May 20, 2022 5:17 pm

Anyone else having trouble getting Hendo’s site to load?

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 5:18 pm

The media were always going to find a fruit-loop like Suzanne in an unwinnable seat in the last week of the campaign for some juicy quotes.

The Australian news media is a political party to the left of the Greens.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 5:20 pm

‘I can’t believe the Army is not there’: Sources say people too scared to enter Wadeye fearing violence

Can you imagine the Rules of Engagement?

NT Independent

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:20 pm

And in this quiet moment, I’ll just add we had a great day yesterday consulting for two hours with the Director of Friends of Friendless Churches. You can see this lovely lady on their website. She was very helpful to us. We then had lunch where we met, in a rural cafe overlooking healthland while she was out on site location.

Today we leave this quaint and quirky heritage cottage in the Fens, where everything is redolant of another time and era. One could imagine a writer of the Bloomsbury Set having a retreat here to muse upon things English. I have not so far (2 hours to go) broken my neck yet on the steep banisterless stairs with a trip to the loo for a pee being down these in the night (thus I made ‘alternative arrangements’ regarding chamber equipment, which we will draw a curtain over now). Bruce, Hairy says I must tell you we heard a cuckoo on the first night here, and last night a little roebuck came into the meadow at the rear and entertained us over dinner. We haven’t turned the tele on once while here; the place somehow doesn’t encourage you to do other than enjoy and muse.

We head for Lincoln now, to stay in part of an old Vicarage. Like Rosie, I am enjoying the variety provided by using the airbnb opportunities.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 5:20 pm

I think we can safely put Liars, Teal and Green in the same column Lizzie.
But actually, with 151 seats, unless you have one truly unaligned MP, winning by an even number is not possible (I assume we are excluding the winner having to provide a speaker).
The possibilities of an LNP win are ..
LNP 76 – ALP & Others 75 (majority of 1)
LNP 77 – ALP & Others 74 (majority of 3)
LNP 78 – ALP & Others 73 (majority of 5)
And so on …

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 5:23 pm

Albo just assured everyone he “had Integrity”.

If you have it you don’t need to assure people of it.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 20, 2022 5:25 pm

Might it be a good idea to have a dedicated Election thread ?

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 5:25 pm

If you have it you don’t need to assure people of it.

Absolutely! Every person I ever met that felt the need to talk about their own integrity had none!

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 5:25 pm

Cat Call for Election 22…

Predicted result out of 151 seats up for grabs. (76 to win)

Coalition to win:

Tom 86
Top Ender 79 (ineligible for prize)
Lizzie 78
Calli 77

Labor to win:

Sancho Labor – 76; LNP – 73; Greens – 1; Teal – 1; UAP – 0

rickw
rickw
May 20, 2022 5:28 pm

What is your predication of the election result?

A hung parliament.

Preferably by a large and very angry mob!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 20, 2022 5:28 pm

Absolutely! Every person I ever met that felt the need to talk about their own integrity had none!

The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted the spoons.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
May 20, 2022 5:28 pm

The Australian today reports that The Greens are a chance of winning Griffith from the ALP.
I’d say that’s a strong possibility, the average Voter in Griffith has NFI who Terri Butler is, her main claim to fame is that she erected a VOTE LABOR
marquee in Memorial Park Bulimba on Anzac Day 2019.

The Greens are a chance here in the Brisbane Inner West elecorate of Ryan. The Greens have a State representative within the boundaries of Ryan. The voters in this area have form for picking loonies.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 5:30 pm

People really can’t be that stupid, to vote in a Labor government in the present situation of prosperity and abundance.

They can, it happened in 1972, Australia was the best place in the world, 3 years later at the end of the Whitlam Government, the Country was a smoking ruin, where it stayed for 20 years until John Howard gave us a break.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 20, 2022 5:30 pm

Hairy says I must tell you we heard a cuckoo on the first night here

Lizzie – I’ve never heard a cuckoo of those sorts, although I have been to the UK for a few weeks once. Only one koel cuckoo turned up over summer at Cafe Bruce, but she remembered me, which isn’t bad for a bird that migrates so far. And fortunately none of the currawongs arrived with a channel-bill cuckoo chick, which spared my ears!

Very redolent of English weather here today. BoM forecast 19 C but the highest it got to was 15 C. And drizzled on and off most of the day. Yech.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:30 pm

Hereward the Wake was a perhaps apocryphal leader in the Fens holding out for the Saxons against the Norman Conquest. Wild watery places tend to have strong mythologies associated with them.

In the Museum at Ely we listened to three traditional folk tales; one about the existence of ‘Little People’ here, as in Ireland, who made milk go sour and other things go wrong if they were not placated with food offerings; the second tale telling how humans needed a wise-woman’s ‘charm’ to protect against the boggarts and boggles of the swamps when walking out at night (tellingly, not a Christian cross); and the third told of how the always-bright moon came down to earth and got lost, dragged into the swamps by evil spirits, until a good man walking by was saved by a scrap of her light and in return he pulled her out of the swamps to always shine bright for evermore, even though she now waxed and waned.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 5:30 pm

Boambee John:

In 1942 0r 43, when Gordon Bennett commanded III Corps in WA, Blamey sent the 1st Armoured Division, commanded by HCH (Red Robbie) Robertson, to III Corps. He is claimed to have expressed the hope that “Those two red-headed bastards will kill each other”.

Can we hope the same for a Pelosi/Shrillary contest?

There’s a faint chance of that happening, BJ.
The conflict between Pelosi and Shrillary will be to the death, and ALL weapons will be used.
Blackmail, sabotage, the airing of dirty linen and the opening of books so far unlooked at would hopefully see the Democrat Party in gaols, or more likely in front of firing squads as past corrupt and treasonous behaviour comes to light.
It will, in fact, be the trial of the century.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 20, 2022 5:35 pm

Bruce, our weather here starts dullish and by afternoon is full and glorious Spring sunshine, ideal for driving around in to admire the open fenland vistas. Where so much is treed in this world, a wide vista only interspersed with trees is so enjoyable. Even here, the Ship of the Fens cathedral at Ely floats in a flat land far less than it once did when I first visited there in 1973, for now Ely is very much a treed town.

I miss my Currawongs.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 5:35 pm

Anyone else having trouble getting Hendo’s site to load?

If you’ve read one Hendo column, you’ve read them all.
So I read it for you.
Yeah, Bob Ellis, Mike Carlton, Philip Adams, Laura Tingle, Speersy, Niki Savva, Benjamin Law, Dr Jenna Price, Louise Milligan, they’re all there.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 5:36 pm

rickw:

Mungo Man was significant because it had evidence of partial cremation.

Or BBQ went wrong.

Or most likely – caught in a bushfire.
‘When you hear hooves, think horses – not Zebras.’

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 5:38 pm

A hung parliament is one thing, I want a hanged one.

Indolent
Indolent
May 20, 2022 5:39 pm
Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 5:39 pm

Calli:

Plus a bag of dirty laundry countermeasures.

I can imagine the distress a cluster bomb from a Dirty Laundry Mortar would cause.
Are you sure that wouldn’t be illegal under Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties?

Tom
Tom
May 20, 2022 5:40 pm

Tom 86

Top Ender, you are misrepresenting me.

The Australian House of Representatives has 150 seats. I am tipping the LNP by 10, which is 155 to 145 for the opposition — of whatever stripe.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 5:41 pm

Massive tactical error to run in all seats instead of targeting 5-10 real possibilities.
There are 0 real possibilities in the House of Representatives.
Palmer improves his chances of Senators by having volunteers in every HoR Electorate at every booth.
The Liberal Party and the LNP are preferencing him at 3 in the Senate, behind PHON, which helps him too.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 5:43 pm

Put me down for Coalition by 5 seats.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 5:49 pm

TE
I’m sure your dad will relate, it was first published in 1964 so fairly sedate, it manages to make the outrageous mundane.
I’d call it a good ordinary book à la Jack Dyer
It was reissued as a readers book club book.
Very cheap on ebay too.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Simon Holmes a’Court’s leg-openers: 0.

That’s the odd thing about Zali Steggall, Monique Ryan, Zoe Daniels, Allegra Spender, Sophie Scamps, Kate Chaney.
They all look like women that hate the idea of having sex.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Instead of a 3 year term couldn’t we just extend the PMs contract for 12months …footy coach style. The country needs to get up the ladder for education (real not woke) , energy (cheap sustainable base load that is) , security (ability to defend ourselves for more than 48hours), oh and freedom (pass to guns back and let them try lock us down again- monkey or donkey pox ).

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Cat Call for Election 22…

OK…

LNP to win 73 seats (ALP 72) & form government with the support of independents.

Thanks, TE.

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 5:53 pm

LNP by one for me.
Nothing for teals, 1 green 2 independents.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 20, 2022 5:54 pm

I’m tipping Scomo as a minority govmint …but only after two weeks of recounts. He takes it by 2.

Looks fwd to 2025 when the then leader Matt Kean takes the party over a cliff or jumps the shark!

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 5:56 pm

Who will win? I just don’t know. I suspect Labor but it won’t be a landslide. I’m worried about the Teals because there are many young, affluent, stupid, indoctrinated morons out there, mainly living in those wealthy electorates (like Wentworth) being targeted by Svengali Simon and his Stepford cuties because, don’t you know, these same affluent hypocrites are worried about the cliiiiiiiimate.

I hope I’m wrong, I truly do.

I will say this though, if Labor forms an alliance with the Greens or a Teal, we’re fucked…pardon the language.

chrisl
chrisl
May 20, 2022 5:56 pm

Top Ender Put me down for 3… wombats to get under the fence

Delta A
Delta A
May 20, 2022 5:56 pm

I’ll chuck in a prize: Australia Remembers 4 – the Bombing of Darwin, a book for your grandies or kids

Very kind of you, TE. It makes the lotto – and the election – even more interesting.

I’m tipping hung parliament, – 74 seats each – with greens and One nation voting each way. Rebekha Sharkie (Centre Alliance) eventually, after much grandstanding, going with LNP.

jupes
jupes
May 20, 2022 5:56 pm

We head for Lincoln now, to stay in part of an old Vicarage.

Good for you Lizzie. My mum’s home town. Lincoln Cathedral was the tallest building in the world for over a century back in the 14th and 15th centuries and Lincoln castle houses one of the four surviving Magna Cartas . Tuck into Lincoln sausages if you get the chance. Superb.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 5:57 pm

Lysander:
Re the MonkeyPox outbreak.
Notice in the ABC article that there are several similarities in the way it is being treated.
.1 Monkeypox is a viral infection which does not spread easily between people and tends to be mild in presentation.
.2 The man, in his 40s, went to his GP with mild symptoms several days after landing in NSW.
.3 The man and a close contact are now isolating at home with care and support being provided by NSW Health and his GP.
.4 “The transmission of the virus can be through the fluids, the material within lesions in those pox,” he said.
.5 “There can also be respiratory transmission for people who are in close contact with each another… or close skin-to-skin contact.”
.6 Professor Sutton said the risk of transmission was “not great” and described the monkeypox virus as “rare”.
So, nothing to be concerned about “but that version of monkeypox still had a fatality rate of between 1 and 5 per cent”. 1% (Western Africa clade), up to 10% (Congo Basin clade, untreated)
I don’t have any information on Clade Variant.
But we have a vaccine!

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 5:57 pm

I forgot Kylea Tink.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 20, 2022 5:57 pm

When does Turnbutt get his Liberal Long Service medallion?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2022 5:57 pm

Zipster says:
May 20, 2022 at 5:39 pm
People from across the globe are taking to the streets in protest against rising food prices and inflation.

People in non western countries know that high fuel costs directly lead to high food prices.
Our Teal ladies think you can produce fertiliser without carbon fuels, but then of course they are idiots.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 5:59 pm

Rebekha Sharkie (Centre Alliance) eventually, after much grandstanding, going with LNP.

Yes, I think she has indicated her intentions already; then add Katter and Steggall.

Delta A
Delta A
May 20, 2022 6:02 pm

I’ll chuck in a prize: Australia Remembers 4 – the Bombing of Darwin, a book for your grandies or kids

TE, regardless of my Election Lotto result, I would like to order (signed) copies of that book. Is it best to order through the link you provided?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 20, 2022 6:03 pm

They all look like women that hate the idea of having sex.

I hate the idea of having sex with them, too.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 6:03 pm

Dr. Sophie Scamps looks normal though.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 6:04 pm

Tomsays:

May 20, 2022 at 5:40 pm

Tom 86

Top Ender, you are misrepresenting me.

The Australian House of Representatives has 150 seats. I am tipping the LNP by 10, which is 155 to 145 for the opposition — of whatever stripe.

Tom.
With 151 seats, an LNP victory by 10 is LNP 81, ALP & others 70, with the LNP providing a speaker.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 20, 2022 6:06 pm

Did Cassie make it to Birdsville?

rosie
rosie
May 20, 2022 6:08 pm

Actually TE you could have my copy if you want it I’m about finished reading it and would be putting it in a street library or something anyhow.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

May 20, 2022 at 5:56 pm

Who will win? I just don’t know. I suspect Labor but it won’t be a landslide.

Which has robbed them of the “crushing mandate for sweeping change”

I’m worried about the Teals …

Mmmyes.
Apparently all their supporters now have got Kung Flu and need to vote by phone.
I smell a Biden-steal.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 6:09 pm

“Fair Shakesays:
May 20, 2022 at 6:06 pm
Did Cassie make it to Birdsville?”

Umm, not yet, maybe by tomorrow night if bird brain Princess Allegra wins Wentworth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Yes, I think she has indicated her intentions already; then add Katter and Steggall.
Katter either voted with Labor during the Gillard/Rudd travesty or didn’t show up for the vote he promised Christopher Pyne.

Zali Steggall was funded by Labor connected entities and Sharkie was part of the Labor/Phelps/Julia Banks Clownshow that tried to topple Scotty after Turnbull walked thru the trapdoor.

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 6:11 pm

Sharkie, to her credit, has said that she’d support the LNP if it’s a hung parliament….but she does have conditions.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 6:11 pm

Delta, dunno how to do signed copies unless you get them and send them to me in Canberra, and I send them back????

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 6:12 pm

Ok Rosie, email me on [email protected] and I’ll reimburse the postage….

Cassie of Sydney
May 20, 2022 6:13 pm

“Which has robbed them of the “crushing mandate for sweeping change””

They’ll do it anyway. That’s how the left works.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Cat Call for Election 22…

Predicted result out of 151 seats up for grabs. (76 to win)

Coalition to win:

Tom 86 (what should this say instead???)
Eyrie 81
Top Ender 79 (ineligible for prize)
Lizzie 78
Calli 77
Rosie LNP by one; nothing for teals, 1 green 2 independents.
Roger LNP to win 73 seats (ALP 72) & form government with support of independents
Fair Shake Scomo as a minority government…after two weeks of recounts. He takes it by 2
Chrisl Put me down for 3 ????
Delta A Hung parliament – 74 seats each – with Greens and One nation voting each way. Rebekha Sharkie (Centre Alliance) going with LNP.

Labor to win:

Sancho Labor – 76; LNP – 73; Greens – 1; Teal – 1; UAP – 0

Delta A
Delta A
May 20, 2022 6:14 pm

S’okay, TE.

I’ll just go ahead and order them.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 20, 2022 6:16 pm

Okay, what are Sharkie’s conditions?
If it’s something like a Federal ICAC, Scotty will tell her to do one and she’ll go out like Windsor and Oakeshott.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 6:17 pm

Sharkie, to her credit, has said that she’d support the LNP if it’s a hung parliament….but she does have conditions.

Yes, Morrison’s resignation.

Perhaps they could woo her or Haines with the Speaker’s office.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 20, 2022 6:19 pm

Craig McLachlan has dropped his defamation case.
I wonder why?

Presumably one of the witnesses threatened to go ballistic which reminded McLachlan of evidence he omitted to tell his barrister.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 20, 2022 6:21 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

May 20, 2022 at 6:11 pm

Sharkie, to her credit, has said that she’d support the LNP if it’s a hung parliament….but she does have conditions.

Classic bait and switch.
Harvesting LNP voters then pulling an Oakeshott/Windsor next week due to some “horrifying revelation” next Monday.

Roger
Roger
May 20, 2022 6:21 pm

Top Endersays:
May 20, 2022 at 6:13 pm

Are we being optimistic or realistic?

I’m working on a general c. 2% swing against LNP, while they still manage to pick up a few seats against trend…so just not enough to get Labor over the line, thanks largely to Elbow’s less than stellar campaign performance.

Vicki
Vicki
May 20, 2022 6:26 pm

Can’t predict numbers.

But I keep thinking of all those families at the Canberra vaccine protest rally. I reckon that although they say that 95% of adult population are vaccinated – 30% of those are beyond angry and maybe out for revenge. Another 30% are having “buyer’s remorse”, & are not happy with any Party.

How that will pan out – I don’t know. But me? I am praying for a hung Parliament with UAP/One Nation holding the balance of power.

Oh the joy that would bring.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 20, 2022 6:35 pm

From “The Age.”

Roberts-Smith punched soldier who acted ‘jovial’ after bungled mission, court told
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
May 20, 2022 — 10.39am

A former elite soldier supporting Ben Roberts-Smith in his Federal Court defamation case has given evidence that the war veteran punched a comrade who acted “jovial” after a bungled mission in Afghanistan.

Roberts-Smith has admitted punching the soldier, dubbed Person 10, after the mission on July 15, 2012, during which Person 10 has said he inadvertently fired shots near a woman and child. Nobody was injured in the incident, the court has heard.

Roberts-Smith rejects an allegation that punching Person 10 amounted to bullying, and is suing The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times for defamation over a series of articles in 2018 that he says accuse him of bullying fellow soldiers and the unlawful killing of Afghan prisoners. The media outlets are seeking to rely on a defence of truth.

A friend of Roberts-Smith, a former Special Air Service soldier known as Person 22, gave evidence on Friday that he was on the mission with Roberts-Smith and Person 10 in 2012.

Person 22 said Person 10 started shooting at one stage, but it was unclear “what he was shooting at”. He said Person 10 did not respond to requests for information about his target.

Person 10 told the court this year that shots were fired in the direction of his patrol, he perceived a threat and he “did not fire willingly at a woman and child”. He said a separate accusation that he fired at a “friendly call sign”, meaning other SAS troops, was false.

Roberts-Smith told the court last year that Person 10 “giggled” during a subsequent patrol debrief, and he punched him to underscore the gravity of the incident. Person 10 has denied giggling.

On Friday, Person 22 told the court that Person 10 was not laughing or giggling before Roberts-Smith punched him, but was “jovial” and “not grasping the situation”. He said Roberts-Smith had previously asked Person 10 if he had fired at a friendly patrol or women and children.

One of Roberts-Smith’s barristers, Bruce McClintock, SC, said last year that his client punched Person 10 and “he should not have done so” but the court should find it was “not bullying in that situation”.

But Person 10 said this year: “I’d say … punching someone in the face, berating them in front of their patrol, could be a form of bullying.”

The trial continues.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 20, 2022 6:38 pm

Ed Case says:
May 20, 2022 at 6:03 pm
Dr. Sophie Scamps looks normal

Dr. Sophie is another highly educated (public purse) individual whose working knowledge of energy and food production is at kindergarten level.
Her teenage kids won’t starve to death but some kids in Africa certainly will because Sophie knows fuck all about anything other than medicine.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 6:38 pm

You think the Pandemic Treaty is bad?
Just wait until you see the Refugee Treaty!

Now you know why the government wants to own 40% of your house.
They’re going to fill it up with illegal refugees from crisis ravaged nations that haven’t got a clue what a democracy is. Or even a regular job.

Winston Smith
May 20, 2022 6:42 pm

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2022/04/05/report-biden-desperate-for-oil-from-canada-just-not-thru-keystone-xl-pipeline/

According to the Wall Street Journal, the Biden administration is seeking to increase Canadian oil imports through rail, which is dirtier and riskier for the environment than pipelines, as Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg has admitted.

It looks like the people who own the railways are getting a good return on their $500k investment in their donation to the Dems.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 6:51 pm

TE:

Truly, this is baddies vs baddies.

The single saving grace – and do not take this as any sort of compliment to that effete milquetoast Morrison – is that had Peanut Head or Elbow been in the chair for the past three years, we’d still be locked down while new ways were found to extort the remainder of our collective health and lifestyles.

Coalition. 80.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 20, 2022 6:53 pm

It looks like the people who own the railways are getting a good return on their $500k investment in their donation to the Dems.

Buffett, Warren, not Jimmy.

2dogs
2dogs
May 20, 2022 6:54 pm

Hung parliament with about 65 each for the majors. Large cross bench.

I know the polls are wrong – the variance between them too low for funny business not to exist. This seems my best guess as to what the true picture might be.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Ed October, 5.49:

They all look like women that hate the idea of having sex.

Perhaps they just hate the idea of having sex with you.

2dogs
2dogs
May 20, 2022 6:55 pm

Hung parliament with about 65 each for the majors. Large cross bench. I know the polls are wrong – the variance between them too low for funny business not to exist. This seems my best guess as to what the true picture might be.

  1. Headline of the day: The Matildas and Arsenal weapon tasked with filling Kerr-sized hole Fnarrr.

  2. And puts lie to the media’s claim that he held a firearms licence “for recreational purposes”.

  3. The word doing the rounds (as yet unsubstantiated) is a total ban on “recreational” firearm use. Can see a lot…

  4. Outstanding. Just outstanding commentary on the current semitic sentiment in this country. The back end of a Gray Connolly piece…

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