Open Thread – Tues 9 Aug 2022


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rosie
rosie
August 11, 2022 7:28 pm

Then stop saying he is you mendacious muffin.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 7:29 pm

We took the best because Ginsburg had pancreatic cancer and should have been dead within the year.There’s no comparable “logic” there, you asshat.

Oh I am not going to make a deadpool bet about you, JC. You’re going to live for quite a while. Unless you T-bone a semi-trailer on St Kilda Road in old Darren Millane style, which is always on the cards with you given your terrible driving history.

Vicki
Vicki
August 11, 2022 7:29 pm

Chris Bowen is a moron.
They’re all idiots. Every single one is a moron.

Ah yes……but Bowen reminds me of plodders in school who used cribs to write essays.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 7:30 pm

Cassie, you really don’t know much about anything, do you? I was making a Star Wars reference. You know, popular culture?

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 7:32 pm

Chris Bowen is a moron.
They’re all idiots. Every single one is a moron.

Bowen is stand out because he also looks like some kind of weasel.

rosie
rosie
August 11, 2022 7:33 pm

Oh I missed getting covid by ‘that much’.
Vaxxed and boosted close contact (who has very very serious health issues) felt quite unwell in the evening, tip top after a good night’s sleep, no drugs required.

rosie
rosie
August 11, 2022 7:35 pm

Might have been better if you’d said ‘wretched hive of scum and villany’.

JC
JC
August 11, 2022 7:35 pm

Fatboy,

You”re always proclaiming how evil Republicans are. I think we all agree that he vast majority of those American women hoovering their children are Demons, whereas Republican women don’t have abortions anywhere near their number (Demons). In fact it would be a tiny fraction.

According to you, Republicans are so sinister, so evil that they fought for 50 years to try and keep the children of their political enemies alive. That’s how evil they are, you big bulbous twit.

Oh , and Republicans are such racists that they want to keep black kids alive by nixing abortion. You know, because they hate blacks so much.

The American left is so fucked in the head it’s beyond redemption.

Mater
August 11, 2022 7:35 pm

I hope all those who continue to humour and sympathise with Monty, now see him for the ocean going piece of shit that he is.

One only needs to look at Stalins flunkies or Goering to notice that fat and ugly doesn’t always equate to cute and loveable or warm and fuzzy.

Have you not noticed that he is opposed to everything you believe in. Over all these years, by sheer fluke of probability, he should agree with something “you lot” do…but nooooooo.

Cassie of Sydney
August 11, 2022 7:36 pm

“Cassie, you really don’t know much about anything, do you? I was making a Star Wars reference. You know, popular culture?”

I haven’t watched a Star Wars film in decades, but once again, your comment is revealing, it says a lot about you. Oh and anything to say about your comment insinuating that Japanese people are all small? Now that’s a stereotype…a racist stereotype.

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 7:37 pm

the hive of scum and villainy assembled at the Cat

Half of Australia thinks the same way as most Cat commentators, and the number continues to grow. People are getting sick of the bizarre blend of retardation and communism gripping this country.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 11, 2022 7:38 pm

Don’t you just love these lefty maniacs.

WEF Adviser Yuval Harari: ‘We Just Don’t Need the Vast Majority of the Population’ in Today’s World (10 Aug)

Yuval Noah Harari, historian, futurist, and World Economic Forum (WEF) adviser, said, “We just don’t need the vast majority of the population” in the early 21st century given modern technologies’ rendering human labor economically and militarily “redundant.”

Harari’s remarks were made in an interview with Chris Anderson, the head of TED, published on Tuesday. He assessed widespread contemporary disillusionment among “common people” as being rooted in a fear of being “left behind” in a future run by “smart people.”

Presumably he thinks he’s one of those “smart people”. He also thinks the world is burning up.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 7:40 pm

Might have been better if you’d said ‘wretched hive of scum and villany’.

That would have been worse! LOL.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 11, 2022 7:40 pm

John H. says:
August 11, 2022 at 5:40 pm
I don’t know if these players were experiencing symptoms that indicated CTE to them but I wouldn’t exclude that possibility.

Evidence of serious head injury to Paul Green:
It looked like his NRL career was over in 2003 after seven matches for Parra when he suffered multiple facial fractures that needed plates inserted into his head in an intricate surgical procedure but you can’t keep a tough little halfback down. (He played the next season before retiring) (The Roar).

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 7:42 pm

He assessed widespread contemporary disillusionment among “common people” as being rooted in a fear of being “left behind” in a future run by “smart people.”

The “smart people” have almost managed to run most of the western world out of energy.

Left behind, or left in the dark and cold walking to were you need to go?

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 7:43 pm

m0nty says:
August 11, 2022 at 6:40 pm
I can tell when I have been hitting the mark on the Cat, as many of the old guard get really nasty and personal towards me, in lieu of arguments they can’t make.

You have been caught out lying, prevaricating and walking into rakes for three days.

Your hilarious fail about the “Trump appointed judge!” was perhaps an all time “best”.

People get frustrated with your brain dead bullshit.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 7:45 pm

You”re always proclaiming how evil Republicans are. I think we all agree that he vast majority of those American women hoovering their children are Demons, whereas Republican women don’t have abortions anywhere near their number (Demons). In fact it would be a tiny fraction.

Oh dear, JC is trying to be serious about social issues. Always a hoot.

I’ll tell you who does have abortions at high rates: mistresses of Republican politicians.

Oh , and Republicans are such racists that they want to keep black kids alive by nixing abortion. You know, because they hate blacks so much.

They want to keep women subjugated in the home – it’s far more about misogyny than race. To the extent that race is a factor, more black kids tends to mean a larger workforce for low-paid jobs, which makes the Chamber of Commerce types smile.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 11, 2022 7:46 pm

Okay Roger, how would you like me to refer in short to the hive of scum and villainy assembled at the Cat?

You are funny, m0nty. For an npc zombie.

JC
JC
August 11, 2022 7:46 pm

Epic letter.
Missouri AG, Eric Schmitt, letter to FBI director.

Fuck right off.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 7:48 pm

Half of Australia thinks the same way as most Cat commentators

Uh… no.

Are you seriously counting Liberal voters as being aligned with the average Cat commentator?

Dude.

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 7:48 pm

I’ll tell you who does have abortions at high rates: mistresses of Republican politicians.

Oh Margaret, don’t you mean hand maidens?

I really hope there were no perverts in the FBI squad who went through Offtrump’s lingerie at Mar a Lago.

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 7:49 pm

liberal voters

Homer Paxton tier.

Sloth energy.

132andBush
132andBush
August 11, 2022 7:49 pm

m0nty says:
August 11, 2022 at 7:30 pm

Cassie, you really don’t know much about anything, do you? I was making a Star Wars reference. You know, popular culture?

Turning a slur into nothing more than a friendly homily? Is that it?

Mater
August 11, 2022 7:51 pm

They want to keep women subjugated in the home – it’s far more about misogyny than race.

It wasn’t that long again ago that you claimed they were treating women as cattle, breeding stock. You obviously don’t know much about dairy farming.

The hypocrisy of your side of politics:

Greens-induced law is kinder to cattle

I’m not sure where SAFE stands on human induction – more commonly called abortion – but they certainly haven’t been as vocal on it as they were calf induction. The Greens have been vocal about both; it’s just that they loudly oppose calf induction and loudly support human induction.

In fact, at the height of the calf induction debate, former Green MP Sue Kedgley called the practice “inhumane and cruel”.

She went on to call for the removal of induction-drugs from the market place. Finally, she claimed vets who carried out inductions were surely engaged in “a breach of their code”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 7:51 pm

Roger

That being the case, it’s not unreasonable, given that some ethnicities cannot tolerate milk as well as white folks, to request an alternative.

Which is already available, but the parents have to ask the school, probably in writing to cover various bureaucratic arses.

JC
JC
August 11, 2022 7:53 pm

Oh dear, JC is trying to be serious about social issues. Always a hoot.

That’s the sort of crap I expect for you in reply, Doofus.

They want to keep women subjugated in the home – it’s far more about misogyny than race. To the extent that race is a factor, more black kids tends to mean a larger workforce for low-paid jobs, which makes the Chamber of Commerce types smile.

Yep sure.

1. Republicans in Florida want to keep Louisiana women lving in Seattle Wa home. That’s perfectly plausible.

2. Yea, Republicans want cheap labor so much they want to end abortions of black kids while allowing the southern border to remain as porous as it is. Sounds totally logical.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 7:53 pm

m0ntysays:
August 11, 2022 at 7:22 pm
JC, by that logic you are actually dead as well. You basically look like the Crypt Keeper these days.

But I know you are actually alive in there behind those horridly wizened features.

That’s the way to impress other readers, be polite and friendly!

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 7:53 pm

It is entirely true that Trump may not be guilty of a crime.

Yesterday and prior, he was guilty of something, but what exactly? That can’t be ascertained until a falsely sworn affidavit is given to get a warrant.

You are shilling for judicial, police and political corruption.

Stop and think about it.

You are shilling for shenanigans that Roger Rogerson would get up to.

Tribalism has robbed you of honour and dignity.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 11, 2022 7:55 pm

mUnter. The Gonzalo Lira of FlashCat.

Expert analysis, live from Malmo.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
August 11, 2022 7:55 pm

A Pacific government snuggles up to the Chinese Communist Party and …

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-11/david-lambourne-kiribati-deportation-australian-court-justice/101323746

Would never happen in Yarragrad, if course. The ‘justice’ system there is so completely under the thumb of the Socialist Left faction of the ALP that defiance is unthinkable.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 7:55 pm

m0ntysays:
August 11, 2022 at 7:23 pm
And the “you lot”-ism is wearing thin.

It’s not an intellectually honest way to argue.

Okay Roger, how would you like me to refer in short to the hive of scum and villainy assembled at the Cat?

The expression “Cats and Kittehs” was used often on the Old Cat.

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 7:56 pm

Monty you idiot women want to stay home unless they are an outlier.

Their own choice is partly the basis of the “wage gap”.

You are literally arguing that women having volition is misogynistic.

Jesus christ man, jesus christ.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
August 11, 2022 7:59 pm

Bear in mind, Mater @7.51, that the average Green has the intelligence of a cow.

miltonf
miltonf
August 11, 2022 7:59 pm

The left now loves big business and the Washington war machine. And open borders gives allows them to pay starvation wages. Trump is opposed to all of this.

Mater
August 11, 2022 7:59 pm

Expert analysis, live from Malmo.

Malmo!!!
Hell, the cowardedly smart mouth wouldn’t even step outside his own home of late.
A trip to Malmo was so far out of scope, it couldn’t even be seen through Hubble.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 8:00 pm

2. Yea, Republicans want cheap labor so much they want to end abortions of black kids while allowing the southern border to remain as porous as it is. Sounds totally logical.

US Chamber of Commerce types love immigration. Legal immigration keeps labour costs down in the professions, and illegal immigration enables pseudo-serfdom because the workers have very few rights.

One of the biggest cons the Republican Party has been running for decades is pretending they hate immigration. Actually, their donors love it, and their bought-and-paid-for pols just lie openly to the rubes.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 11, 2022 8:00 pm

Epic letter.

Damn straight. Magnificent, and an exemplar of states’ rights.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 8:01 pm

Monty you idiot women want to stay home unless they are an outlier.

You really don’t talk to a lot of women, do you Dot.

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 8:01 pm

I think the Trump raid has lit a fire under Ultra Maga.

Your typical YouTube pro trump commentator would get 10k to 15k likes. Most have now been catapulted into the 50k plus likes range.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 8:02 pm

I’ll tell you who does have abortions at high rates: mistresses of Republican politicians.

Evidence please m0nty-fa, and gossip on lefty websites does not constitute evidence.

PS, is this your example of the type of kinder, gentler, discussion you are seeking here?

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 8:04 pm

Are you seriously counting Liberal voters as being aligned with the average Cat commentator?

Outside of your basement, there’s a whole lot of people who are really fucking pissed off with the way things are headed.

miltonf
miltonf
August 11, 2022 8:04 pm
Frank
Frank
August 11, 2022 8:05 pm

Star Wars films are for children, all those muppets tend to give it away.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 11, 2022 8:06 pm

an exemplar of states’ rights

Ahem. An exemplar of states’ rights when used for the right reasons.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 11, 2022 8:07 pm

The left now loves big business and the Washington war machine.

Yep. Classic fascism. So like the late 1930’s with an alliance between the Left, big business and the bureaucracy. And we have the WEF talking cutely about how some inconvenient people are unnecessary and “redundant”, as I linked above. Now where have I heard that before I wonder?

Frank
Frank
August 11, 2022 8:08 pm

US Chamber of Commerce types love immigration. Legal immigration keeps labour costs down in the professions, and illegal immigration enables pseudo-serfdom because the workers have very few rights.

And yet the Dems seem to put the border into overdrive every time, thus the obvious conclusion is that the Dems are for pseudo-serfdom of their own people.

132andBush
132andBush
August 11, 2022 8:09 pm

Are you seriously counting Liberal voters as being aligned with the average Cat commentator?

If the average punter was presented with a side by side summary of your recipe for the country vs “our lot’s” views, there would be an 80/20 split in our favour.

No question.

miltonf
miltonf
August 11, 2022 8:10 pm

Did the WEF come out of the Club of Rome? They sound very similar with their ‘bogans shouldn’t have nice things’ schtick.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 8:12 pm

m0nty-fa

US Chamber of Commerce types love immigration. Legal immigration keeps labour costs down in the professions, and illegal immigration enables pseudo-serfdom because the workers have very few rights.

Hiden Biden essentially opened the borders to illegal entrants immediately after the inauguration, to the cheers of DemonRats. Does this mean that DemonRats wish to keep labour costs down in the professions, and enable pseudo-serfdom because the workers have very few rights.

miltonf
miltonf
August 11, 2022 8:13 pm

And yet the Dems seem to put the border into overdrive every time, thus the obvious conclusion is that the Dems are for pseudo-serfdom of their own people.

Yes for sure-

Hillary’s vision is a borderless world where working people have no power, no jobs, no safety.

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 8:14 pm

Yes monty. Women want to work over having children or getting married. They never regret this decision or have mental health issues over this.

Also, the women I talk to aren’t real.

Good lord monty. You were just whinging about personal attacks, you 24 carat pissant!

MatrixTransform
MatrixTransform
August 11, 2022 8:14 pm

That says a lot about them

mUnty, it seems you expect your gibber to be legitimated with an honest argument.

The truth is, that,says everything about you.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 8:15 pm

Bruce of N

And we have the WEF talking cutely about how some inconvenient people are unnecessary and “redundant”, as I linked above. Now where have I heard that before I wonder?

I think the expression you are groping for is lebensunwertes leben.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
August 11, 2022 8:17 pm

They want to keep women subjugated in the home

Which is code for you wanting them working to pay taxes for your idiots to piss up the wall.

Megan
Megan
August 11, 2022 8:17 pm

First technical hitch for me at New Cat when my response to Monty’s cleverly formulated and delivered argument at 6.40pm disappeared without trace after submission. Second attempted drew the ‘duplicate comment detected’ message. Not moderated. Not in the thread.

Probably a good thing. Would hate to be thought of as nasty.

Mater
August 11, 2022 8:19 pm

Now where have I heard that before I wonder?

George Bernard Shaw.

Legend of the left.

“If you can’t justify your existence, if you’re not pulling your weight … then clearly, we cannot use the organizations of society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to you.”

“The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way. Is it any wonder that some of us are driven to prescribe the lethal chamber as the solution for the hard cases which are at present made the excuse for dragging all the other cases down to their level, and the only solution that will create a sense of full social responsibility in modern populations?”

m0nty
August 11, 2022 8:19 pm

If the average punter was presented with a side by side summary of your recipe for the country vs “our lot’s” views, there would be an 80/20 split in our favour.

No question.

Cobblers.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 11, 2022 8:20 pm

Three articles about Senator Gerrard Rennick in past two days. Latest has just gone up at the Oz with comments allowed.
Hadley also used the Oz article to have a go at him just after 1000am news today.
They must really want him to stop asking irritating questions.

Dot
Dot
August 11, 2022 8:22 pm

Ray Hadley is a fat fascist sack of shit.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 11, 2022 8:23 pm

Cobblers.

Another working class group of people mUnter would have thrown to the wolves, or burned to keep him warm.

You’ve got shoes, so nobody else gets them. Is that it?

MatrixTransform
MatrixTransform
August 11, 2022 8:27 pm

It’s a bit different to sniping some rando online hero.

Are you saying that you’re less obnoxious in real life and that given time the relationship could grow and deepen as understanding develops?

I wonder could I really truly love a vacuous fool that can’t think for itself, that has no concept of accountability, and is basically a petty passive-agressive toddler in 40yo body.

…I could try.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 11, 2022 8:34 pm

miltonf says:
August 11, 2022 at 8:04 pm

How the woke left learned to love Big BrotherThe British left’s silence on state censorship is shameful – and revealing.

It took about 40 years for the UK to get where it is.

The time to fascism has greatly reduced. Watch where we are going.

Frank
Frank
August 11, 2022 8:36 pm

You’ve got shoes, so nobody else gets them. Is that it?

Unlikely, more of a Crocs sort of a guy. Those Nike sandals with white socks for dinner parties though, appearances must be maintained.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 11, 2022 8:36 pm

FFS what kind of idiot checks bags then doesn’t board…

Not the first time I have been delayed like this… Was an on time flight too. Grrr

Stinkin masks enforced too…

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 8:39 pm

Can we confirm that this isn’t munty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK0bSqLYjUE

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
August 11, 2022 8:42 pm

social responsibility

My only responsibility is to my family. My only responsibility to other people is to not harm them. Anything beyond that is out of the goodness of my heart which cannot be commanded by anyone else.

Social responsibility is typical collectivist horseshit, designed to force rules onto people other than themselves. Everything from getting kickbacks to population reduction by any means is rationalised by them doing it “for the collective good”.

It is in reality an even bigger, but more sophisticated lie than the divine right of kings. Worse that it allows any moron to claim it, like horseface Helen Clark referring to voters as little people, when in fact the retarded genes were actually hers, not voters.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
August 11, 2022 8:48 pm

Another working class group of people mUnter would have thrown to the wolves, or burned to keep him warm.

Good little Marxist he is, considering Marx was a useless grifter who never worked a day in his life unlike the working class, just like Muttley.

Leon L.
Leon L.
August 11, 2022 8:48 pm

Sundance at the treehouse has a 3 part series on the Trump Mar-a-Lago FBI raid.

Why did the DOJ execute the raid on Trump.

The Durham report. Ongoing investigation. The uniparty needs to be destroyed.
Everywhere.

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 8:50 pm

Monty you idiot women want to stay home unless they are an outlier.
You really don’t talk to a lot of women, do you Dot.

Out of my wife’s circle of friends with kids, the ones that work, are compelled to by the overall family financial situation, making ends meet.

They consider juggling kids in the 0-15 range and a job to be nothing more than a bloody hard slog.

Someone might talk to women, but they don’t bloody well listen if what’s being said doesn’t fit their own spastic world view.

Cassie of Sydney
August 11, 2022 8:51 pm

“The Beer whisperersays:
August 11, 2022 at 8:42 pm”

Superb comment Beery.

Cassie of Sydney
August 11, 2022 8:54 pm

“My only responsibility is to my family. My only responsibility to other people is to not harm them. Anything beyond that is out of the goodness of my heart which cannot be commanded by anyone else.”

That’s a liberty quote.

Indolent
Indolent
August 11, 2022 8:57 pm
132andBush
132andBush
August 11, 2022 8:58 pm

Cobblers.

Confirmation.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 8:59 pm

m0nty-fa

Cobblers.

Dream on that the policies of the fascist left, which you seem to support, would be popular if spelled out explicitly.

Canvass your friends about large scale immigration and pseudo “asylum seekers” as an initial test.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 9:02 pm

Beery

a useless grifter who never worked a day in his life unlike the working class, just like Muttley.

Who married his way into the “upper middle class”. A true man of the people.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 11, 2022 9:06 pm

Wow suddenly now an engineering issue. Hmmm.

Me thinks these’s more to this than a checked bag & no passenger. So why board us? Grrrr…

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
August 11, 2022 9:09 pm

Whatever happened to Piers Morgan? Rowan Dean is being a hoot tonight.

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 9:10 pm

Wow suddenly now an engineering issue. Hmmm.

Next stop in the blame game will be fuel!

Cassie of Sydney
August 11, 2022 9:20 pm

“Who married his way into the “upper middle class”. A true man of the people.”

Yep, and it was his wife’s money and family connections that propped him up. Marx was a parasite and a racist, funny that, Marx’s heirs, today’s progressives, are also parasites and racists. Why, we even have one here who thinks Japanese are “little people”.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
August 11, 2022 9:21 pm

Yup Rickw. Paperwork they reckon. My experience with flights, reckon cancellation is on cards atm…

Then they will get a piece of my mind for being deceptive.

Cassie of Sydney
August 11, 2022 9:33 pm

“hzhousewifesays:
August 11, 2022 at 9:09 pm
Whatever happened to Piers Morgan? Rowan Dean is being a hoot tonight.”

Yes, I’m enjoying his programme.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 11, 2022 9:38 pm

Yep, and it was his wife’s money and family connections that propped him up. Marx was a parasite and a racist, funny that, Marx’s heirs, today’s progressives, are also parasites and racists. Why, we even have one here who thinks Japanese are “little people”.

Well said, Cassie.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 11, 2022 9:44 pm

I would just like to thank Albo and his Government for bringing down my electricity prices. NOT !

Up 22%.

However being a Cat reader and reading Rafe and Alan and others for years comes as no surprise.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 11, 2022 9:47 pm

Monty is Marx?

He’s great with pretending ladies working is awesome because it helps soothe the nagging voice in the back of his head reminding him of his own arrangements.

But then again, he’s stupid enough to think some girls have dicks.

Frank
Frank
August 11, 2022 9:51 pm

Who married his way into the “upper middle class”. A true man of the people.

So what you’re saying is… Monty is a gigolo like John Kerry. That is just nasty.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 11, 2022 9:54 pm

Frank

More like Karl Marx – is that nasty also? I thought m0nty-fa would be flattered by the comparison.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 10:12 pm

Are you saying that you’re less obnoxious in real life

Pretty much everyone is.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 11, 2022 10:14 pm

Laverton warns of grog-fuelled violence as cashless card goes
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A remote West Australian town is pleading for an emergency contingent of police officers and paramedics in anticipation of a surge in violence when thousands of ­local residents are taken off the scrapped cashless debit card by the Albanese government as early as September.

Indigenous and non-Indigenous leaders in Laverton – one of the debit card’s main trial sites in WA’s northern goldfields – have told The Australian the card has ensured children have been fed and clothed, and they fear what will happen when the scheme officially ends.

Laverton shire president Patrick Hill said the town, a 10-hour drive northeast of Perth with a population of 1300, had been brought to its knees by alcohol abuse in the years before locals opted to support a trial of the cashless debit card in March 2018.

Labor’s bill to abolish the card could pass within weeks and Mr Hill has implored Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth and WA Premier Mark McGowan to help his community.

“We had the RFDS here constantly to pick up DV victims, kids were not being looked after and not going to school, (and) you know it’s bad when the ambulance needs a police escort to go to incidents,” Mr Hill said.

“We wanted to explain all that to the government before they took the card away because it’s the only thing in 30 years that has made any difference.”

Mr Hill has told the state Labor government that Laverton will need an influx of frontline workers to cope with the return to 100 per cent cash welfare payments.

“We are going to need more of those people; police, paramedics, hospital workers,” he said.

Wongatha elder Janice Scott – who established a residents group in Laverton in 2016 out of concern for the welfare of local children – said the cashless debit card was ­not perfect but it had made a difference in Laverton.

“The biggest difference was for the kids. Suddenly they had food, they had clothing,” she said. “People used to throw rocks on my roof in the middle of the night saying ‘I’m hungry’ and that stopped. They had food at home.”

Ms Scott, who has cared for up to 10 children at once at her Laverton home, agreed that some people had found loopholes for the cashless debit card by overpaying for items then getting cash back, or by getting family to buy them alcohol and paying them back by letting them use their cashless card to buy groceries.

However, Ms Scott said the card did “slow people down”.

Indigenous man Marty Seelander, chief executive of Laverton’s Paakanu Aboriginal Corporation, said his organisation wanted the card and it had “put things on an even keel in town”.

“What you don’t see anymore is the gambling, where people are sitting around playing cards with cash. That finished,” he said.

“Families don’t use the food program at the school as much. They are buying groceries.

“And people with serious drinking problems are getting ­really drunk once a fortnight … not three or four times a fortnight like they used to.”

Ms Rishworth is seeking the views of communities where the cashless debit card is operating and has said she wants to know what income management they want in their towns. Her assistant minister Justine Elliot is due to travel to the goldfields to meet Mr Seelander, Ms Scott and other Laverton residents on Tuesday.

“I will be telling her the truth. They need to replace it with some kind of basics card where they can’t transfer money over for alcohol and drugs,” Ms Scott said.

“A lot of people didn’t like it. They were in uproar about that but it worked, it did work to a ­certain extent.

“What they did wrong was they didn’t put in the support services they promised. The mental health support, the help for people drying out, it never came.”

Mr Seelander said he would tell Ms Elliot: “If you take the card away you have to replace it with some sort of mechanism that has a similar effect.

“I am going to tell her what the card has done for our town. It has really, really balanced things out for us,” he added.

On Thursday, Ms Rishworth pointed to a series of reports that failed to quantify benefits of the cashless debit card since it was first introduced at Ceduna in South Australia in March 2016.

It was later rolled out to the east Kimberley, the WA goldfields, Bundaberg and Hervey Bay, Cape York and the Northern Territory. The trials cost $170m.

People on the card can withdraw a maximum 20 per cent of their Centrelink payments as cash. The rest can be used only to make purchases from business that are not bars, bottle shops or casinos.

“There has been no evidence whatsoever that the card itself made a difference to alcohol misuse. We’ve got to remember, it doesn’t matter whether you’ve ever touched a drop of alcohol. If you were on a government payment and under the age of 35, in some areas you were forced to go on this card,” Ms Rishworth said.

Labor’s bill to abolish the cashless debit card program is before the Senate. Ms Rishworth said that if this legislation was passed, participants in this program would be able to leave the cashless debit card as early as September.

Six months after that, or on a date to be decided by Ms Rishworth, even people who want to stay on the cashless debit card will not be able to.

“I am consulting with communities on the future of income management,” Ms Rishworth said. “We are taking our time with determining the future of the ­BasicsCard. Right now we are focused on the cashless debit card and abolishing that. That needs to be done in a safe way.

“There is a lot to unpick so we want to get this right.”

A University of Adelaide assessment of the cashless debit card published in January 2021 found alcohol consumption had decreased at the trial sites but it was not possible to attribute this to the cashless debit card alone.

Supporters of the card in Laverton claim the report would have been very different if local police officers had been allowed to talk to the researchers but they were banned from doing so by order of head office in Perth.

Long standing friend of the family was an officer in the old “Native Welfare Department” in places like Laverton, up until the late 1960’s. He genuinely thought he was there to make a difference. He spoke several local dialects, and understood customs and culture. His successor had no idea of customs and culture, but he had a University degree.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
August 11, 2022 10:14 pm

Why, we even have one here who thinks Japanese are “little people”.

Do please point them out to me, the last time that happened was at a corporate event at docklands, i made clear the consequences of actions, let’s redux shall we.

m0nty
August 11, 2022 10:15 pm

This meme you like to run about me marrying into money… um I married a teacher, who was the daughter of a traveling salesman. Hardly a socialite heiress.

Nevertheless, she has more class than everyone on this site, very much including me.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 11, 2022 10:21 pm

Nevertheless, she has more class than everyone on this site, very much including me.

A farting contest has more class then a failed Marxist like you, Monty.

Frank
Frank
August 11, 2022 10:28 pm

Boambee John, if you read that sentence in a Kathy Newman voice it might help.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 11, 2022 10:29 pm

Rogue One was the only decent Star Wars movie ever made.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 11, 2022 10:31 pm

Cmon bern, A Star Wars Christmas was five-star

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 11, 2022 10:31 pm

I went to Nespresso today.
My Colombia capsules used to be under a dollar, now 1.18 per pod.
What’s Albo doing about that, eh?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 11, 2022 10:32 pm

Sorry, my blood pressure is rising. The “West Australian ” newspaper is running a story about kindergarten children being taught how to make damper, about “First Nations” culture and how “Second Nations” people can learn….

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 11, 2022 10:32 pm

Ewoks are gay.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 11, 2022 10:35 pm

Discussion this evening.
Summer Heights High would not be made today.
A couple of people said good.
I reminded them of their Jonah impersonations.
Silence.

132andBush
132andBush
August 11, 2022 10:36 pm

feelthebern says:
August 11, 2022 at 10:29 pm

Rogue One was the only decent Star Wars movie ever made.

Nope, the Family Guy ones are the best.

rickw
rickw
August 11, 2022 10:50 pm

Cat stuffed, internal server error.

cohenite
August 11, 2022 10:50 pm

All the conservative commentators are advising not to respond to the raid on Trump because this is what the demorats want. In fact it doesn’t matter because they’ll fake a response anyway. The demorats don’t need facts.

Bruce in WA
August 11, 2022 11:07 pm

Nope, the Family Guy ones are the best.

“Don’t get penisey, kid!”

amortiser
amortiser
August 11, 2022 11:09 pm

Similarly, former rugby test player Dan Vickerman committed suicide in 2017, and like Green had a successful career and a young family.
John H may have something, if not actually nailed it just upthread. You can add Spud Frawley and Shane Tuck to that list as well.

A history of serious head knocks does not bode well for the future.

Pirate Pete is obviously very vulnerable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft5DV9Eic4U&t=2s

Bruce in WA
August 11, 2022 11:20 pm

Forgot the link:

“Don’t get penisey, kid!”

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 11, 2022 11:47 pm

If only they had a Voice. Oh wait, the Minister in charge of Aboriginal matters is Aboriginal. She obviously knows what is best for them.

“Laverton warns of grog-fuelled violence as cashless card goes”

MatrixTransform
MatrixTransform
August 12, 2022 12:45 am

Me thinks these’s more to this than a checked bag & no passenger. So why board us?

Did quick trip to Sydney today. Flights were meant to be 0630 out and 1830 back.
But no it wasn’t to be.

Virgin started screwing me around on Wed nite. 1830 return became 1910. Then I’m on the road on Thursday morning at like 0500 going to the airport for what I thought was 0630 departure and I can feel the phone getting messages. The bastards moved the flight earlier. So they moved it to 0615 and at the check-in of course, I couldn’t get on because that flight was now closed. Managed to catch the 0700. Last available seat.

By late arvo my 1830 that got moved to 1910 was shifted again to 2010. Then we checked in an there’s another txt and yeah I got moved again to 2050.

The flight actually boarded at 2110 and I swear it taxied around SYD for another 30 minutes before takeoff.

Finally got back indoors at midnight.

20 hours….I could have driven to Kellyville and back.

Thankfully carry-on luggage only

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 12, 2022 12:54 am

I like small people, I used to be one.

Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
August 12, 2022 4:12 am
will
will
August 12, 2022 4:23 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 4:28 am

InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Trump-endorsed Harriet Hageman leads Liz Cheney by 29 points in Wyoming At Large Republican Primary

Harriet Hageman 57%
Liz Cheney 28%
Undecided 10%

Wyoming will be a good test of how many Democrats will mobilise to vote in the GOP primary.

Anchor What
Anchor What
August 12, 2022 5:58 am

BBC: “It was Trump that made this public”.

Oh, well then, Orange Man Bad yet again!

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 6:04 am

Justice Department Asks Judge to Unseal Mar-a-Lago Search Warrant
The Justice Department asked a judge to unseal the search warrant for former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Florida. Attorney General Merrick Garland said he approved the effort to seek a warrant.

Zatara
Zatara
August 12, 2022 6:11 am

Summary of Garland’s statement today:

Yeah, we raided Trump, I OK’d it, and my FBI storm troopers are all boy scouts.
Trump can release whatever he has, but he has nothing because everything important is sealed.
Oh yeah, I’ve asked the Judge, who works for me, to unseal stuff. He’ll get back to you.

Oddly, his spinmiesters said this yesterday when amazingly, shite hit the fan, and they didn’t have their legend ready:

“I know it’s hard for people to believe, but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI,” the source told Newsweek.

Yep, they changed their story sometime between then and his statement because now he admits he did it. Speaking of statements, his was 40 minutes late, lasted 5 minutes, and said nothing. Which leads one to wonder who he was talking to during the delay and about what. More importantly, it makes one wonder if what his said in his statement was what he planned on saying BEFORE that convo.

rickw
rickw
August 12, 2022 6:27 am

Munty in New York out the front of Trump Tower:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TITlUaR0hHs

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 6:32 am

Ewoks are gay.

They all are. Why did you think Palpatine had to clone all those Maoris?

Obi-Wan Kenobi Appears To Be Bisexual In New ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Novel (3 Aug)

You just knew this was going to happen.

Anchor What
Anchor What
August 12, 2022 6:34 am

The American left are not just gunning for Fox News. Here’s a report about how they questioned American Thinker editor Thomas Lifson.
Very revealing, like an ABC Q&A hit squad.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 6:36 am

Thank gaia that Garland didn’t make the Supreme Court.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 12, 2022 6:37 am

Apparently Howard’s telling people Trump is unfit for office.

That particular jumped-up accountant took rights from our own law-abiding people, and ran the place like a kingdom before holding on far too long – thus creating the perfect environment for the country to be administered by a succession of dunderheads from which it will take a century to recover.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 6:39 am

from which it will take a century to recover.

KD, there’s no coming back from this.

Zatara
Zatara
August 12, 2022 6:41 am

Trump released this the day after the raid.

A Nation In Decline

Yeah, I think he’s probably running again.

Anchor What
Anchor What
August 12, 2022 6:44 am

A timely reminder about Patrick Moore’s sensible scientific appraisal of climate and the carbon cycle, just as the scammers trot out another scary bit of cherry picking about temperature increases in D’Arctic!
BoN please comment.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 6:48 am

Here we go.
A week out from the Wyoming primary.

Twitter Safety
@TwitterSafety
Starting today, we’ll begin enforcing the Civic Integrity Policy in context of the US 2022 midterms.

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1557713456098312195?s=20&t=mGN8PQSk6clEmjWXzXyiyg

calli
calli
August 12, 2022 6:51 am

Mark Knight’s toon…where on earth do you begin?

Patrick Cross, having a brain in his head, gives us part of the answer.

Anchor What
Anchor What
August 12, 2022 6:53 am

Twitter gets set to meddle in the 2022 Midterms, according to this report from Gateway Pundit – and their own tweets!

Zatara
Zatara
August 12, 2022 6:54 am

Speaking of the Wyoming Primary

Two House Democrats ask Wyoming Democrats to switch parties for Liz Cheney

So yes, the leftists are pulling out all the stops there.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 7:00 am

After the rout in Arizona the machine is upping their game.
Wyoming is another test.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 7:02 am

A great gag on twitter.
Cheney will win Wyoming 59% to 57%.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 7:04 am

Anchor – Patrick Moore has been very good. Climate Depot often carries his comments and they’re always on the money.

The Arctic isn’t warming. NH sea ice is the highest it has been since 2009 and the DMI arctic temperature record has been consistently lower than average all this season except for a few days. And my well known favourite the NH snow line still isn’t trending in any direction, which means temperature isn’t either.

calli
calli
August 12, 2022 7:04 am

On the grocery cards for indigenous Australians, Amanda Rishworth is doing exactly the same thing as BandanaMan.

What would tribal elders who have been struggling for years to provide for hungry, frightened children know?

Whitey knows best. Especially Adelaide Whitey. They know best of all.

Crossie
Crossie
August 12, 2022 7:05 am

Calli, Knight has gone the way of Ramirez. Both are appalling this morning.

Crossie
Crossie
August 12, 2022 7:08 am

Johannes is good again but Gary Varvel with the Banana Republic seal wins today.

Mater
August 12, 2022 7:10 am

Mark Knight’s toon…where on earth do you begin?

After his efforts surrounding Covid, I don’t even open the link anymore.
Just a visual version of Paul Murray.

Crossie
Crossie
August 12, 2022 7:12 am

John Howard should shut his mouth and go away. After what he inflicted on the party and subsequently the country in the form of Malcolm Turnbull he should be ashamed to appear in public let alone opine on other countries’ leaders.

I’m just curious, why doesn’t someone ask this “elder statesman” about Malcolm? That’s all it would take and he would never give another interview.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 7:13 am

Leak, Benson & Garrison then I’m done.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 7:16 am

The longer you live the more you realise how spectacularly poorly read the so-called experts are.

calli
calli
August 12, 2022 7:21 am

When it comes to Trump, their thinking is very shallow.

….almost cartoonish.

shatterzzz
August 12, 2022 7:25 am

Gotta hand it to these folks (and we have .. lots of it .. LOL!) when they eventually sink into the Pacific all that Oz “aid” will come in handy .. LOL!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/tax-evasion-common-reporting-standard-ato-bank-accounts-kiribati/101317140

Dot
Dot
August 12, 2022 7:28 am

That particular jumped-up accountant

“suburban conveyancer”

He’s more arrogant than Paul Keating. Lost three Federal elections then won his drivers dog election.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 12, 2022 7:29 am

My dislike if Howard increases the more I hear from him and the more I look back on 96 to 07

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 12, 2022 7:29 am

dislike of

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 7:31 am

Cry Havoc, Let slip the dogs of war! (Charlton Heston) 1970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIRa5kl2L88

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 7:39 am

Hollywood are trying and trying but the punters ain’t buying.

Jason Momoa Says ‘Aquaman’ Sequel Is a Climate Change Allegory ‘To Bring Awareness of What Is Happening to Our Planet’ (11 Aug)

Surprising No One, Netflix Cancels Show About Woke Team Of Gay Secret Agents (10 Aug, via Surber)

Warner Bros ‘considering cancelling release of ANOTHER already filmed $200 million movie’ (11 Aug)

At least the new owners of Warner are cleaning out the rubbish. They might’ve noticed that unwoke fillums like Top Gun Maverick are making lots of money. Disney though must’ve winced when they heard Momoa’s comment, since I suspect it just cost them about $200 million in sales.

Gabor
Gabor
August 12, 2022 7:44 am

Mater says:
August 12, 2022 at 7:10 am

Mark Knight’s toon…where on earth do you begin?

After his efforts surrounding Covid, I don’t even open the link anymore.
Just a visual version of Paul Murray.

You are right, but it pays to see what we are up against, painful as it may be.

sfw
sfw
August 12, 2022 7:45 am

I posted this as a reply on the Steve Kates inflation post but I ask the same question here.

I’ve often asked on various forums why continued low inflation is a good thing. Most don’t answer but some say that without it there would be price drops when productivity is improved and this is a bad thing. Something to do with borrowers ending up underwater and that continued inflation stops this. I don’t get it. It looks to me that there will soon be more than a few aussie borrowers underwater on the their homes, how could continued low inflation have stopped this?

Can anyone point me to an explanation for the simple minded on exactly how and why continued low inflation is a good thing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 12, 2022 7:47 am

My dislike of Howard increases the more I hear from him and the more I look back on 96 to 07

Yes. Many of the Lieboral Party woes have there genesis with The Father of Middle Class Welfare. Another one who just ffffffffffffade away. And take Hyacinth with him.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 12, 2022 7:50 am

Looks like EVs come with a silver lining.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 7:51 am

Oops, I’m wrong. Aquaman is also Warner Bros, not Disney.
Oh dear. The stables will need an ocean through them to clean them out.

Zatara
Zatara
August 12, 2022 7:52 am

why continued low inflation is a good thing.

Retirees/pensioners on a fixed income would be one reason.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 7:53 am

Can anyone point me to an explanation for the simple minded on exactly how and why continued low inflation is a good thing.

Low inflation is good for consumers, high inflation is good for governments.
That’s all you need to know.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
August 12, 2022 7:55 am

I posted this as a reply on the Steve Kates inflation post but I ask the same question here.

I’ve often asked on various forums why continued low inflation is a good thing. Most don’t answer but some say that without it there would be price drops when productivity is improved and this is a bad thing. Something to do with borrowers ending up underwater and that continued inflation stops this. I don’t get it. It looks to me that there will soon be more than a few aussie borrowers underwater on the their homes, how could continued low inflation have stopped this?

Can anyone point me to an explanation for the simple minded on exactly how and why continued low inflation is a good thing.

Businesses prefer some certainty in their cost structures over the longer term so they can assess the return on equity of potential or ongoing investments. They are more likely to invest if they believe their cost structures will not be shocked by high inflation or rollercoaster inflation.

It’s not the only reason. Others can outline those.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 12, 2022 7:57 am

m0ntysays:
August 11, 2022 at 10:15 pm
This meme you like to run about me marrying into money… um

Ummm, you started that meme, m0nty-fa, at thew same time as you were begging for sympathy by telling us about failing Economics 1, and your subsequent breakdown.

Or was that just a meme?

rickw
rickw
August 12, 2022 7:57 am

high inflation is good for governments

The cost of their borrowing goes down and everyone creeps up tax brackets.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 12, 2022 7:59 am

analysis: Why doesn’t monkeypox have a new name yet?
The Conversation /
By Michael Toole

On June 14, the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said the agency was “working with partners and experts from around the world on changing the name of monkeypox virus, its clades and the disease it causes”.

More than eight weeks later, nothing has changed yet.

No. No it obviously hasn’t.

If only Tedious Babyjesus would get on with the name change, men could get back to having sex with men without consequences.

calli
calli
August 12, 2022 8:01 am

I’m hearing that the recently deceased (by his own hand) Green was “a real champion”.

Tell that to his little kiddies who will spend their entire lives wondering if it was their fault.

Roger
Roger
August 12, 2022 8:02 am

The longer you live the more you realise how spectacularly poorly read the so-called experts are.

The result of specialisation in education. Particularly noticeable in Australia where general education is so poor. The Americans, in theory at least, have the better approach – a general degree from a college is required before specialising at a graduate school.

rickw
rickw
August 12, 2022 8:02 am

Tell that to his little kiddies who will spend their entire lives wondering if it was their fault.

A bit more honesty in this area might help turn others away.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 12, 2022 8:04 am

Global Climate Warming Change/Putin’s War was particularly bad at 1:15 PM.

Roger
Roger
August 12, 2022 8:06 am

My dislike if Howard increases the more I hear from him and the more I look back on 96 to 07

As I recall, Howard’s electoral decline began after the Liberal Party conference at which he was introduced as “the father of the nation”.

That made Kevin Rudd look good.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 8:06 am

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said the agency was “working with partners and experts from around the world on changing the name of monkeypox virus

“Arse Pox” would be pretty accurate.

ITEM 14: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported, “Monkeypox in Georgia is infecting an overwhelming number of black people compared to other races — a disproportionate effect not anticipated just a few weeks ago, new data from the Georgia Department of Public Health show.”

Monkeypox is rayyyyycist.

749 cases in Atlanta. 8 are women.

Ahem, maybe if fewer black men engaged in butt sex with other black men, they wouldn’t get what Tucker Carlson dubbed Schlong Covid.

From Surber’s Highlights of the News today.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 12, 2022 8:09 am

Jason Momoa Says ‘Aquaman’ Sequel Is a Climate Change Allegory ‘To Bring Awareness of What Is Happening to Our Planet’

An allegory eh?
A modern Gulliver’s Travels no doubt.
Hidden meanings plastered on the story like tattoos on a bikie.

Dot
Dot
August 12, 2022 8:09 am

Can anyone point me to an explanation for the simple minded on exactly how and why continued low inflation is a good thing.

Persistent inflation is not good. Persistent high inflation is worse.

Inflation robs people on fixed incomes. It is a stealth tax. It increases the tax scales and pushes thresholds down. It destroys savings and real investment returns.

Ultimately it creates or at least made worse many of the business cycles we have seen since the state assumed the role of the central banker. There is empirical evidence that inflation moves resources from production (construction) to services (real estate, finance) (see Moshiran, 2005, I can’t seem to find this reference right now, or it was another paper from around that time). In the US, the savings and loans crisis was caused at least in part but probably mainly by a changing inflationary environment. Inflation becomes and asset-liability management issue.

The credit cycle observed by von Mises is correct. You can read Human Action (a long read but well written so each small piece isn’t overly complex) but the best short explanation of the Austrian Business Cycle Theory is in Shand’s The Capitalist Alternative: An Introduction to Neo-Austrian Economics.

The Austrian school maintains that inflation causes a misprinting in the plant required to make capital and consumer goods, at least in part by the arbitrage on fixed assets. This eventually leads to a precipitous drop in productivity after over investment in consumer goods and fixed assets are bidders up. This causes the loss in production and wages. It is persistent because the consumer and capital goods production plant (“consumer capital” and “capital capital”) are not close substitutes. The “marginal rate of transformation” on house flipping start up to a new oil rig is practically infinitely high.

Reference materials:

Alexander H. Shand
The Capitalist Alternative: An Introduction to Neo-Austrian Economics (cheap on Amazon, buy it at the Cat store!).

Human Action, Ludwig von Mises

https://mises.org/library/human-action-0/html

Not sure about Moshiran, I will have to check in my laptop.

John of Mel
John of Mel
August 12, 2022 8:12 am

In regards to head traumas. Dr. Daniel Amen, who’s done thousands of full brain scans (SPECT imaging) says don’t even let your kids hit a ball with their head. IIRC he said that a majority of cases of depression he studied could be linked back to a head trauma.

Dot
Dot
August 12, 2022 8:14 am

Warms my heart.

mzhemingway Mollie 10 Aug
“current FBI is beyond needing a mere facelift. It must, quite simply, be abolished. All of its agents and executives should be fired. The agency should be simply abolished and replaced with an entirely new agency…”

https://compactmag.com/article/abolish-the-fbi

Now let’s read an old article from The New Republic about Pat Moynihan’s desire to abolish the CIA.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2005/12/20/case-for-abolishing-cia-pub-17846

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 8:18 am

All of its agents and executives should be fired. The agency should be simply abolished and replaced with an entirely new agency…

Texas is hiring.

Gov. Greg Abbott: Texas Will Hire Any ‘Dissatisfied’ FBI Agents (11 Aug)

Nice trolling, but he’ll have to work hard to filter out all the glowies.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 12, 2022 8:20 am

The longer you live the more you realise how spectacularly poorly read the so-called experts are.

Yep, I learned that one a long time ago. You must ALWAYS check the work of ‘experts’. It doesnt matter if you have no particular expertise in their field yourself, you must always check. It applies to mechanics, doctors, accountants, everyone.

As an example, many years ago I was writing up an honours thesis (in epidemiology – no duff!) and I was sent to the state statistician for advice on how to analyse my numbers. Said expert looked at what I had and advised me to use ‘Logistic Regression Analysis’. Not knowing what that was, I set up a couple of small artificial data sets and ran them through it to get a feel for the numbers. Oddly, the answers I was getting didnt gel with my ‘expert statistical advice’ so I went back to the expert to ask why.

To cut a long story short, it turned out the ‘expert’ had been doing it wrong for years and was ‘extremely shocked’ to have a grad student point this out!

Fun fact – that ‘expert’ is the same epidemiology perfesser that SA regularly wheels out now, best part of 40 years later, to hector us on masks, lockdowns and injections!

sfw
sfw
August 12, 2022 8:22 am

BoN, I wasn’t clear, I want to know why continued low inflation is a good thing and zero inflation is not. It seems the US had continued negative inflation for many years when their economy boomed.

rickw
rickw
August 12, 2022 8:24 am

Dr Tony Lin, German vax data:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTkxp6B2wo

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
August 12, 2022 8:26 am

From Westprint Maps.

Friday Funnies

Why isn’t the number 11 pronounced onety-one?

Why do croutons come in airtight packages? Aren’t they just stale bread to begin with?

If people from Poland are called Poles, then why aren’t people from Holland called Holes?

If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?

Why is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a person who drives a race car is not called a racist?

If it’s true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?

If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, then doesn’t it follow that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked, and dry cleaners depressed?

Do Lipton Tea employees take ‘coffee breaks?’

What hair colour do they put on the driver’s licenses of bald men?

Is it true that you never really learn to swear until you learn to drive?

If a cow laughed, would milk come out of her nose?

Why, Why, Why do we press harder on the remote control when we know the batteries are getting weak?

Why do banks charge a fee due to insufficient funds; when they already know you’re broke?

Why doesn’t Tarzan have a beard?

Why is it that, no matter what colour bubble bath you use, the bubbles are always white?

Why do people run over a string a dozen times with their vacuum cleaner, then reach down, pick it up, examine it and then put it down to give the vacuum one more chance?

How do those dead bugs get into the enclosed light fixtures?

Why is it that whenever you attempt to catch something that’s falling off the table you always manage to knock something else over?

Do you ever wonder why you gave me your e-mail address in the first place?

And A FAVOURITE:

The statistics on sanity say that one out of every four persons is suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends.

If they’re OK..? (then it’s you!)

Indolent
Indolent
August 12, 2022 8:27 am
sfw
sfw
August 12, 2022 8:28 am

Dot, I understand what you’ve said. My question is why do almost all economists and reserve bank creatures want continued low inflation rather than zero or negative inflation. To a man, all around the world this is their policy. If you listen to the ‘Macro Musings’ podcast the people interviewed and the host take it as an un questionable truth that low continued inflation is required. None of them ever say why it is and why isn’t zero or negative inflation better. I know that governments and borrowers love inflation but it’s a killer or those who save or live on fixed incomes.

Why can’t we have price decreases when productivity reduces the cost inputs to goods and services?

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 12, 2022 8:31 am

Low inflation is good for consumers, high inflation is good for governments.
That’s all you need to know.

Assuming we are defining inflation as rising prices (its not, the real definition is an increase in the money supply, but thats a discussion for another day) if money holds its value, not only should prices not rise over time, they should actually fall. This is because whatever the widget is, advances in technology, production, marketing etc should make it cheaper to make over time (think computers). Thus, the real Q is ‘why do prices rise at all’, not why are small price rises desirable?

Dot
Dot
August 12, 2022 8:33 am

They know deep down regulated labour markets won’t clear without inflation.

You really don’t want deflation either. However the fear of deflation compared to the acceptance of inflation is irrational. A lot of it is simply herd behaviour and politeness as self censorship.

132andBush
132andBush
August 12, 2022 8:33 am

Tell that to his little kiddies who will spend their entire lives wondering if it was their fault.

Exactly.

Roger
Roger
August 12, 2022 8:35 am

Speaking of experts, a professor of epidemiology from the Doherty Institute interviewed on ABC RN AM says wearing a mask is a personal choice.

Where was she when governments were mandating their use? (and still are in some settings).

Gabor
Gabor
August 12, 2022 8:37 am

calli says:
August 12, 2022 at 8:01 am

I’m hearing that the recently deceased (by his own hand) Green was “a real champion”.

Tell that to his little kiddies who will spend their entire lives wondering if it was their fault.

Don’t be too hasty, condemning who went through the act.
About 20 years ago for absolutely no reason I felt I had to end it all, luckily for me, the feeling didn’t last, so here I am, others may say, “a pity”.
It’s a ghastly feeling and unless you experienced it, you can’t understand.

Logic has nothing to do with it. I had no dramas, no family or business problems and minimal imbibing.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 12, 2022 8:37 am

Why can’t we have price decreases when productivity reduces the cost inputs to goods and services?

There have been in a lot of goods and services.
But you can’t eat a flat screen TV.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 12, 2022 8:38 am

Sfw – Low inflation incentivizes producers to innovation. Rather than pass on the (low) CPI increase they wear it, since the customers would otherwise just go and buy from a competitor instead. So they find better ways of making their stuff since they have to effectively sell at a lower and lower real price each year. In my business the cost of production has been going down by about 1% per year for the last century or thereabouts under relentless pressure from low metals prices. The producers innovated and cut costs to stay alive. So stuff got cheaper for the consumer, because it cost less to make.

With higher inflation that can’t be easily done, and producers have the excuse to raise prices “because inflation”. So there isn’t the same price pressure forcing them to do things better, and companies tend to bloat with dead wood.

(I tried to find the chart I’ve often seen of falling real metal production costs but couldn’t. It’s a bit too technical to show up in search terms I could think of.)

132andBush
132andBush
August 12, 2022 8:39 am

Re Patrick Moore.

He has the most well presented arguments against the AGW hoax out there, in my opinion.

The long term trend of CO2 declining and the reason why is something you never hear but it’s all there in the data.
This planet will be dead in ~1.5 million years because of a lack of CO2.

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