On the subject of Nazis. I notice that a lot of people here reference the loons in the green movement…
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Was just down at a local establishment, having a feed with an associate. Obviously, I was rated highly by the…
It was said before, these people live among us, always have, always will be, all they need is an opportunity…
Interesting, if true?
The reason he is writing on t he subject is because the RINO’s are talking about doing some deal on…
I do not believe at the time that any here thought he could stop the boats.
He did.
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/secret-german-auto-subsidies-exposed-107275/
Just from memory, a woman in NSW and a man (known to a friend of mine) in Tasmania, both in their 40’s, died from thrombotic thrombocytopenia, and others did too
Hi Lizzie! The first person to die from AZ in Australia, as I understand, was an unfortunate lady in her early 50s from the Northern Beaches, the mother of a friend of my grandson. She was a fit woman who attended gym regularly, as I understand. She passed away in her sleep soon after the first injection.
A friend of mine, in her 70s who had an early injection of AZ, suffered thrombosis and was hospitalised for a considerable time before they were able to resolve it. I have to say that the reporting of adverse reactions in this country, as especially in the UK and US is woefully inadequate. These matters have been recently addressed by a new association of medical professionals :
A Report by Phillip M. Altman BPharm(Hons), MSc, PhD
Clinical Trial & Pharmaceutical Regulatory Affairs Consultant 9 August 2022
Contributing editors Julian Gillespie LLB, BJuris
Associate Professor Peter Parry MBBS, PhD, FRANZCP Katie Ashby-Koppens LLB
( I hope this transmits!):
https://8630368.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/8630368/AMPS/Altman%20Report%20Final%20Version%2011-8-22%20(1).pdf?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=222684391&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9LRTjjwSjYAGcwhYvUOZQCMgO65jwfKh10XiNQiJJC6RdZSvfYXl1Uq1PMgOdRmUKfHev6b29mDXyaDUWCa4u3acYJdgVOhoiCSR7USy-RMJt_sNQ&utm_content=222684391&utm_source=hs_email
This link to the new Report into the vaccines in Australia may work:
Altman Report Final Version 11-8-22 (1).pdf
I’ll try again:
http://npaq-8630368.hs-sites.com/covid-19-an-update-of-evidence-based-information
Yep – this one works:
http://npaq-8630368.hs-sites.com/covid-19-an-update-of-evidence-based-information
I recommend those who think there is no significant professional (medical) opposition to the government policy on the vaccines, should read this document.
Lol.. it’s like a wild dog tasting its own vomit.
Dickhead on steroids.
Dioxin soup, novichok or polonium?
The first one is an especially traditional Ukrainian dish.
The way it used to be:
https://www.facebook.com/benngunnfans/videos/457799388078781/
Not to mention the foolishness of ‘private rental’ which usually means she accepted tenants who would be highly unlikely to pass an agent’s background check*.
*no guarantee but still better than randoms on gumtree
Vicki says:
August 21, 2022 at 2:34 pm
I’ll try again:
Thanks for getting it done, worth the effort. Slowly but surely the truth will out.
Then comes the whirlwind.
Yeah according to Leadership, Australia ought to be following Sth American economics now, because protectionism and subsidies worked so well there since the beginning of the 20 c. Mexican economics is a new thing until leadership posted about it. No one has laughed about it before.
FMD.
I was very confident that Abbott would stop the boats, I also thought Morrison, whom some here lauded as a future PM, was simply doing what Abbott had carefully planned for in the months before the election.
Yep, leadership keeps posting about all the wrong thing countries do because it means it’s a good thing. What, with Mexico , Canada and France as three of the most useless examples.
Yet still no economic research explaining the benefits of protectionism. And here I was thinking this latest stalking was going to be the breakout, the final say in finally explaining why we ought to subsidize inefficient industry.
Still waiting.
Idris Elba out of running to play Bond; so it’ll probably be a cross-dressing lesbian with a 9mm in each nipple and her first mission will be to track down the evil master-mind Trump.
I haven’t had a covid vaccine since December 2021, but I will later this year, just before I travel overseas again, novavax, if available, moderna if it’s not.
No desire to have covid while travelling.
As soon as I left Victoria a couple of weeks ago close family member with very serious health issues but triple vaxxed got covid, only symptom was a brief headache, easily managed with two aspirin.
Elderly family member had it, though worse ( vaxxed and boosted) , two rough nights with breathing difficulties, got the anti virals and is much better.
– Reuters.
Yep, leadership keeps posting about all the wrong thing countries do because it means it’s a good thing. What, with Mexico , Canada and France as three of the most useless examples.
can’t be too many problems with the economy in Mexico .. Mexicans are the biggest buyers of tix for the Qatar World Cup finals .. sooo between the tix, airfares, accomodation & spending money Mexicans, on the whole, must be doing OK .. unless, of course, all the cartels are are having their annual holidays at the same time and giving the “wukkas” a bonus .. LOL!
the final say in finally explaining why we ought to subsidize inefficient industry.
This is really the Mongness of Australian Government:
1) Allows a feral industrial relations environment to develop.
2) Decides not to subsidise inefficient industry. Generally this is good but in part inefficiency is due to feral industrial relations environment.
3) Prevents Australian consumers from taking full advantage of other Governments subsidising industries products.
Still, at least Korea got the security of decades of having local manufacturing for their 3 billion.
All we got for the SEVEN billion was a few more years for some geriatrics to complain about their fucking stents.
1/ Japan has always followed protectionist policies and subsidized industries favored by the state. There’s actually a term for that in Japanese, but I forget. This however, appears to be new to Leadership.
2/ Canada has a history of subsidizing industry.
3/ France has historically been dirigiste (look it up Chuck). However, this is an eye opener to our Thought Leader.
4/ Mexico/Sth America LOL. The South American continent has been protectionist forever.
Here’s what the leadership is required to do. Leadership doesn’t need to link to the bad shit other countries are doing, he needs to explain in some detail just how protectionism raises living standards and does so compared to (relatively) free trade. Until he does, he’s just another wacko on the web with a mental issue.
As well as obese bald fucks trying to hide bald patches with comb-overs and black spray. Gross.
And we’re still waiting for the Opus from this genius….
Still.
..
-Bloomberg.
Wow, Italy convinced me now. I hope it’s convinced everyone else.
The opus, Leadership.
Now!
Really?
In any event, we have a version of a manufacturing industry in Australia with the highest wages in the world in relative terms. It’s called the mining industry which is about 12% of GDP. It’s the most efficient in the world.
WTF are you talking about head prefect. I say this with your best interests at heart, but you’ve been off your game ever since I had to set you straight about QCs. Now just settle down, take a few breaths, maybe have a cheroot or 2, and try to make sense.
cohenitesays:
August 21, 2022 at 2:49 pm
Idris Elba out of running to play Bond; so it’ll probably be a cross-dressing lesbian with a 9mm in each nipple and her first mission will be to track down the evil master-mind Trump.
Didn’t the “evil mastermind” in one of the Bond movies bear some resemblance to the lefty view of Rupert Mudrock? Lefties can become so obsessed about class enemies.
What, with Mexico , Canada and France as three of the most useless examples.
He also mentioned Germany and the US. The gov of Saxony used to have a shareholding in VW. Maybe they still do.
The thing is, now red China is a big player in auto production and any information re subsidies is not available. Most Chinese auto manufacturing is heavily muscled in on by the CCP. Commo cars. Sure they have foreign partners but it’s always a joint venture to allow technology transfer to the CCP. Btw the best built Corolla I ever owned was from Altona. Better than Japan and better than S Africa.
JC earlier.
And, to be clear, Abbott didn’t “close the car industry”.
He simply stopped shovelling our cash at it.
I see a lot of bitching about “tax hoovers” here. Well, the car industry was at the head of that queue.
Abbott didn’t kill it.
He simply administered the last rites to an industry which had been on life support for more than 40 years.
I get why the car manufacturers left after the subsidies were removed. The part I don’t understand is that we appear no better off without them, new cars are relatively the same price, my taxes haven’t decreased, I fail to see the benefits. I can see that we lost a lot of overpaid underworked union jobs in the car sector. However we also lost a lot of local manufacturing and heavy industries that could be used in the upcoming war.
So I’m a bit ambivalent about the whole thing.
Some world class tap dancing on this page.
Quite some dexterity being exhibited.
Cronkite
I’ve lost a little respect for you after the QC face-plant. Not for being wrong, not at all as it could happen to the best of us. It’s that you never apologized.
You now have Leadership wanting to subsidize everything except our most efficient industries in a determined effort to halve our living standards and here you are again, pretending it wasn’t 2022’s biggest face plant so far.
the highest wages in the world in relative terms
reeks of elitism- high wages for me but not for thee. Henry Ford understood paying his men good wages meant they could buy more cars. One of the guys at Ford at Geelong I used to talk to told me Henry Ford created the middle class.
Humanity’s numbers increased exponentially when we moved from hunter gatherer to settled farmers of grains and animals.
How could the modern world possibly feed itself if everyone exclusively ate meat?
Like veganism it’s a luxury for the few.
How about, at the time, $50,000 per job in that sector being covered by the long suffering taxpayer. We’d be accruing that cost today if it didn’t end. Add that to the debt.
Look, if you can’t think well and post low IQ shit, perhaps you ought to think about lurking.
The Ford G6E Turbo was a very good car. It was way overpriced though. The only criticisms of it may have been technology lagged a little, it was a tad heavy and could have upgraded suspension, upgraded tuning and more efficient use of internal space – drive or ride in an Audi A6 and you see the difference.
If they sold for $55k but cost 150k to make, that means everyone sold cost Australia 1.5 jobs per car, net of government inefficiency and deadweight losses to collect the taxes for subsidies.
The big brain question is how you can encourage businesses to open up, not how to bribe foreign corporations.
Small corner shops are closing now because of energy and cooking oil prices. 80k p.a. cleaners back in 2013 would have been an absolute piss take outside of mining.
It would have been cheaper without protectionism.
There were better competitors that were cheaper.
Those competitors would have been less expensive still without subsidies.
So I’m a bit ambivalent about the whole thing.
yes at least with subsidized cars you actually got cars whereas with subsidized electricity you get expensive, unreliable power. What do we get from welfare immigration? Another subsidy.
Didn’t the “evil mastermind” in one of the Bond movies bear some resemblance to the lefty view of Rupert Mudrock? Lefties can become so obsessed about class enemies.
Elliot Carver in Tomorrow Never Dies.
Not at all.
The poorest workers were subsidising some of the best well off workers.
Why do we have to accept renewables instead of PMV subsidies?!
They’re both terrible and hurt other businesses and consumers.
It’s money for nothing for failing businesses.
I assume you expect high hours rates Dot- why shouldn’t others?
I can chew gum and walk at the same time.
Oh Okay, so because you’re not in the mining industry and envious of those earning high wages you’re now preaching communism. You realize that’s where you are with that statement, right? Envy kills.
WITHOUT SUBSIDIES. Do you understand that? Ford could do what he liked with his money and that’s just how it should be.
That’s just hyperbolic bullshit. If anyone created the middle class and actually allowed Ford to mass produce cars, it was John D Rockefeller. Through new technologies and mass scaling he dropped gasoline prices for around 50o bucks per fill up to a level where the average person could afford it. Ford saw the opportunity created by the great oilman.
According this we are 9th;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
At least wage earners contribute more than the crony capitalists and most of the rent seeking parasites sitting on boards and the fucktard leftists running protected businesses in this country.
The shit Govts we have like you don’t want to see wage earners earning a greater portion of our GDP.
It would also be interesting to know how much public money the S Koreans put into their auto industry as it was being established in the 70s.
Oh Okay, so because you’re not in the mining industry and envious of those earning high wages you’re now preaching communism. You realize that’s where you are with that statement, right? Envy kills.
how do you know I’m not connected with the mining industry?
WITHOUT SUBSIDIES. Do you understand that? Ford could do what he liked with his money and that’s just how it should be.
fair enough
THIS link earlier, and apropos of shitpot tenants:
These are exactly the same people who will moan and carry on, and pose looking suitably bereft for the airhead bimbos at Handpatters’ Weekly Magazine and complain about being ‘homeless’.
They’re not homeless. 95% of them are drug-fucked, poorly behaved cockheads who’ve been given chance after chance and who nobody will risk with their property any more.
‘It’s so terrible, I’m homeless.’
You’re not homeless, you just can’t find one because you’re a piece of shit.
Top Ender’s link. Not ‘this link’.
Makka
I was referring specifically to the mining industry and in relative terms in the sense there are not many people with high level degrees in a mine shaft or an open cut.
I’ve lost a little respect for you after the QC face-plant. Not for being wrong, not at all as it could happen to the best of us. It’s that you never apologized.
You know head prefect, deep in your heart, that everything I do is for your benefit, everything. Sometimes its tough love but its still love. Now let me restate the position because when I saw you describe your friendship with the high-flying QC, who you described as a family law QC, I knew one of your many detractors here would be all over this simple but fundamental mistake.
To repeat, the title QC, is not related or limited to any particular legal specialisation. It is a title of respect based on the general legal skill of the recipient. A QC retains the benefit of the QC no matter what area of law they practice or are involved in. The comparison with an accredited specialist demonstrates the difference. The qualification of accredited specialist relates to a particular area of law which the recipient can only claim when they are practising in that area of law; when they practise in any other area of law they cannot claim the title of specialist. A QC on the other hand is a QC in any area of law.
I felt your loyal and commendable defence of your close QC buddy put you in a position, as I say, where your many detractors would attack you through this slight chink in your otherwise marvellous armour of intellect, truth, knowledge and the American way. I now feel with my intervention that you are back to your usual impervious status.
Still waiting.
The part I don’t understand is that we appear no better off without them, new cars are relatively the same price, my taxes haven’t decreased, I fail to see the benefits.
They didn’t dump the ADR’s and import restrictions.
So basically they allowed an industry to die, whilst preventing consumers from realising the benefit.
Typical Australian Communism.
All the astronomical subsidies to carmakers for EVs raise just one question. Did Henry Ford get any subsidies to manufacture the Model T or the Model A?
Cronkite
You made this stupid festerizing claim.
This Bio from Owen Dixon chambers makes your claim the biggest faceplant since Fester’s. This person is a QC.
There’s no ambiguity here, Cronkite. You attempted a Festerization but face planted bigly. Yet still no apology.
Pfizer are laughing all the way to the bank.
I wonder if any super funds are invested in Pfizer.
So ADRs are still going? You don’t see them on build plates anymore. “This plate affixed by the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Authority” “Complies with ADR 1,..36 etc”.
I know 27A was a big one in the 70s for NOx emissions but like I say it’s all Euro6 or whatever for emissions.
Your comment was certainly antagonistic towards those folks earning great wages in that industry.
JC,
Australian mines employ about 190k people. As many again from knock on associated industries. Total people employed in Australia is about 13,500,000. So mining industry jobs would be around 3% of employed people.
The other 90+% of workers, mostly on wages, are victims of shit policies (such as our immigration policies) that direct GDP and wages growth away from them into the bottom lines of Business. So while subsidies are not ideal, the playing field in Australia is skewed hard towards Business. If subsidies were set to support strategic and legitimately skilled employment such as vehicle manufacturing and associated industries, they have a role to play. Just like in Japan, Germany etc. I would take all the billions of dollars out of the renewable scams and subsidies we have and direct the lot toward vehicle manufacturing. And we would all be better off for it. Relatively.
Cronkite
You made this stupid festerizing claim.
If you weren’t such an attractive man I’d give up on you head prefect. You obviously really like this guy. I’m not jealous but I think it’s colouring your fine mind. I have no doubt this wonderful man has practised exclusively in family law but the QC is not a recognition of that specialisation. It is a general honour.
Let me ask you this and maybe you can ask your close friend (I’m not jealous) the next time you have a tête-à-tête: if he suddenly decides to start practising in another area of law, say commercial law, maybe because he wants to help you in your vast business empire, but whatever, an area of law completely different from family law, will he still be a QC and be able to call himself a QC?
And what is a festerizing claim.
It’s much more than that if you add in associated services to the mining industry.
It’s not 13.5 million. I’m not looking but I’d guess its close to 6 million.
How about, at the time, $50,000 per job in that sector being covered by the long suffering taxpayer. We’d be accruing that cost today if it didn’t end. Add that to the debt.
Gummint being concerned about the “debt” is sooooo 2019-sh .. LOL!
Cronkite
Stop the poor attempts at humor. It’s not going to cut through. You fucked up and need to apologize.
Uncle Fester and Hallward’s attempts to do a leftie switch by claiming monopolistic knowledge (like you) and then face planting. This makes them appear like pancakes front wise up. Don’t festerize.
Fence should be built to stop teenagers throwing themselves off a cliff.
Daily Mail
I already have. Read it again.I doubled it to get to 3%. The 90% figure is more than accurate. Do the math.
Same deal with the number of employed. You’re wrong;
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/labour-force-australia/jan-2022#:~:text=reverse_axis%22%3Afalse%7D%5D-,Employment,%25)%20higher%20than%20March%202020
And my argument about better use of subsidies stands.
Because Australian TV advertising is controlled by millenials ashamed of their good fortune in being born in a first world country, virtually every commercial now features a hero/heroine with dark skin — revolting self-hatred on display every time you turn on the box.
Our leaders have destroyed lives, it’s time for them to take a walk | Neil Oliver
Speaking of mines, to amuse oneself and prove yet again how stupid some people are, ask a leftie how much of Australia has been surface mined.
They usually say about 10%.
It’s actually about 0.02%.
We built some pretty awful cars here like the Cortina, Camira and Hillman Hunter. Others were damn good. The Kingswood/Commodore/Falcon timeline had its good times and bad times but gave people fairly decent , affordable transport.
As late as 2006, automobiles were Vicco’s biggest export- before they seriously started wrecking the power industry. It’s funny too that they used to assemble ckd Volvos at the Nissan plant at Clayton for many years.
There was some talk about the proportion of Australian workers who do not work for government, in the previous OT. If we are going to be spending billions on make work employment directly for government, producing nothing, I see no reason not to take it from that and spend it somewhere that actually provides a product.
Of course being the joke of a country we are, I have no doubt we would instead do the worst of both worlds.
Yes fair point. Calling Govt employees “workers” is quite a stretch. And as we know know, we are horrendously over governed yet manage to be under-serviced for all that bureaucratic lard.
JC, Much of what you write is ok, however you do seem to have something a bit NQR, you are incapable of being polite, I think it’s some sort of (undeserved) superiority complex. Rather than discuss a subject you often launch into completely unwarranted abuse instead, are you drinking early today?. I can see there’s no point at all in engaging with you so, you’re going into the same box I keep Monty and a couple others in.
The box of those not worth the time. so from now on you join the unread.
Cheers
a circumstance not immediately apparent to most who go into business.
rickwsays:
August 21, 2022 at 3:39 pm
The part I don’t understand is that we appear no better off without them, new cars are relatively the same price, my taxes haven’t decreased, I fail to see the benefits.
They didn’t dump the ADR’s and import restrictions.
So basically they allowed an industry to die, whilst preventing consumers from realising the benefit.
Typical Australian Communism.
Indeed raised to the millionth power. Most of the scams remained in place.
Doubling isn’t correct. It’s more as this blurb shows.
Okay about the total employment number. Thanks for checking.
What’s NQR, sfw?
I’m actually very polite. It appears your politeness meter is only skewed to one side.
It’s okay, Cronkite. I forgive you. You don’t have to contort yourself any longer deciding if you’re going to apologize over a face plant.
It’s a joke. Some of the people here are a complete fucking joke.
If you decry subsidizing renew balls don’t go around supporting other subsidies as makes one look really stoopid.
Sal, big B not little b. I’ll admit that the regulatory imposts on SME’s is horrendous. Our skilled workers base is inadequate and our idiot Govts only response is bring in more foreigners. If Govt were fair dinkum about growing skills , trades and wages, they would severely restrict skilled immigration, tell the BCA to get rooted and force them to train more of our locals. And then implement tax and incentives policies to make that happen. They did a good job loading up the renewable boondoggle so we know it’s certainly possible.
Uncle Fester and Hallward’s attempts to do a leftie switch by claiming monopolistic knowledge (like you)
Who the fuck are Uncle Fester and Hallward; more of your close male friends I suppose. Do they have fucking QCs? A word of advice head prefect, there is a fine line between being a male stud, the envy of everyone, and a male slut.
Even by your numbers, it’s still around 90%+-.
Even the stupidest bogan would have noticed Bunnings et al were open all through lockdown, whilst local hardware owned by their neighbour was force-closed at gunpoint.
Makka
We’re a 3.5% unemployment. There are currently ads being run by folks in the hospitality industry saying the will even hire young kids after school hours. That’s how bad it’s become. Establishments can’t run a dinner service because they can’t get enough staff.
Even though the participation rate is low, wage rate for folks at 35 buck an hour ( 60% above the minimum wage for low skilled) doesn’t attract those folks who aren’t “participating” in the workforce. What’s your solution with encouraging more folks into the workforce.
What are you suggesting at 3.5% unemployment and a sticky participation rate without immigration?
You’re forgiven Cronkite. That’s another example of my magnanimity. Now STFU.
Being PM is unique as are many CEO type roles. Many people find themselves in the top job and fail to grow into the role. Abbott wasn’t the first and won’t be the last.
Funny…that’s more or less what Elbow was saying before he was elected.
Now it’s all too hard, apparently.
If you decry subsidizing renew balls don’t go around supporting other subsidies as makes one look really stoopid.
well what people including myself were saying is a tariff protected car industry still gives me a lovely shiny new corolla that I can drive out to Broken Hill to visit my pal in. Australia also gets gets qualified electricians, fitters, methods engineers, upholsterers who can work in other industries like mining. Subsidies to windmills and solar ‘farms’ give us expensive and unreliable electricity.
Ben Rutten, highly respected, talented Essesndon coach and reportedly excellent human being, got the arse today after a monster board meeting which also found that none of its own members would be sacked after their monumental shitfight of a season.
Apparently he’s getting paid out $600K, which he should use on mobile billboards saying ‘Get Fucked Essendon’.
Appalling state of affairs.
So do subsidies to every other sector needing subsidies to survive.
Look, let’s cut this short.
A business is there to arrange critical inputs, put those together and then sell the output at a level which creates a positive rate of return on invested capital. If the business is unable to do this, then it’s not sustainable (in the true sense of the word). It’s a shit business.
Subsidy whoring is not a valid reason for you to want a Toyota to be produced in Australia. And subsidy whoring is not going to turn things around.
For a start, enact policies that force dole bludgers to get out out earning.
Hardly important really. Cook for yourself. I don’t endorse what cvnts like Andrew’s have done to small business, but I don’t count cafes and restaurants as absolutely essential enough to ramp up our rorted immigration system. We need to be producing much more trades and skilled manufacturing jobs organically.
And the only way to do that is to FORCE Business into doing so by carrot and stick then making it policy attractive for youngsters too. It’s not an immediate fix but then again, immigration for the last 2 decades hasn’t served wage earners that well either.
I’m a Bolte jobs’n’growth kind of guy- manufacturing, agriculture, mining – it’s all good.
Better to turn the bauxite and iron ore into aluminium and steel here if we can but that’s not always possible.
I’d be a bit careful about the mining jobs numbers. My recollection of our maintenance activities consisted nearly entirely of unbolting things and putting them on the back of trucks for the trip to Perth for refurbishment. And installing whatever came back. *A non-engineering perspective.
Importing a car to Australia, look at this festering pile of communist shit:
https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/infrastructure-transport-vehicles/vehicles/importing-road-vehicle-australia
JC
What’s your solution with encouraging more folks into the workforce.
A time limit on receiving social security. Six months, and it ends.
Doesn’t the US have a system like that?
Roger
Funny…that’s more or less what Elbow was saying before he was elected.
Now it’s all too hard, apparently.
The departments of Immigration and Employment have been whispering sweet nothings in his ear? Like, do you want to lose the ethnic vote?
Establishments can’t run a dinner service because they can’t get enough staff.
Won’t this find some equilibrium? Where that equilibrium ends up being is pretty irrelevant as the whole activity is non essential.
Staff wages and therefore dining costs go up until demand matches supply?
Strange what happens when you’ve got Treasury and the BCA in your ear.
A business is there to arrange critical inputs, put those together and then sell the output at a level which creates a positive rate of return on invested capital.
Consider this commo car company
SAIC Motor Corp., Ltd. (formerly Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation) is a Chinese state-owned automobile manufacturer headquartered in Anting, Shanghai. Founded in 1955,[4] it is currently the largest of the “Big Four” state-owned car manufacturers of China, namely: SAIC Motor, FAW Group, Dongfeng Motor Corporation, and Changan Automobile, with car sales of 5.37 million, 3.50 million, 3.28 million and 2.30 million in 2021 respectively.[5]
The company produces and sells vehicles under its own branding, such as Maxus, MG, Roewe, Baojun (under SGMW), Wuling (under SGMW), Feifan, IM, as well as under foreign-branded joint ventures such as SAIC-Volkswagen (Volkswagen, Skoda, Audi) and SAIC-General Motors (Buick, Chevrolet, Cadillac). In 2021, domestic-branded cars took 52% of sales.[6][7] It also produces electric vehicles under some of the previously listed brandings, including dedicated EV brands such as Feifan and IM.
All they are interested in is market domination and stealing IP. No level playing field whatsoever.
A time limit on receiving social security. Six months, and it ends.
I would suggest a tapering scheme, 5% reduction per month, something like that.
If only a reporter would ask him.
All they are interested in is market domination and stealing IP. No level playing field whatsoever.
That’s another reason everyone’s getting the hell out of China, sick and tired of IP theft and getting “extras” built into your electronic devices at no charge.
What was that big brand of security camera in the UK that had an “extra” wifi capability that was continually pinging wifi networks to find a free connection to allow live feed back to the CCP?
Australian wages growth annual was 2.6% in the June qtr. Don’t fkn tell me that higher wages are necessitating ramping up our rort infested immigration program.
What IS clear is that the majority of those immigrants will fall into unionised employment and/or compete with current residents for jobs. Something in it for all the right people. It’s not a “free market” , it’s a “rigged market”.
That’s a small part. A lot of people basically retired during the Covid abortion. Also, around 500,000 went back back overseas.
You could make that argument for pretty much everything. Make your own clothes, build your own house, build your own car. Go drill for your own oil and gas. Leave the value judgements aside as people make their own decisions in terms of the services and goods they wish to buy. You don’t have to choose any.
It doesnt matter what you count. What matters is what I said above.
I gave leadership 10 or so conditions to create businesses in Australia. However the partially resident intellectual appeared to just go for the easy mark. Create a “sustainable” North Korea right here in Australia by imposing ruinous barriers and quotas.
Actually it has, but you don’t agree with it. So there’s that.
So what you are saying Rosie is that the vaxx does not stop the transition of covid. Then why have it?
What evidence do you have that the vaxx led to mild symptoms only, when it appears it is the current iteration of covid which leads to mild symptoms only?
Didn’t I hear a report that the goal was for them to be enrolled in unions before they even landed in the country?
Rodney Howard-Browne
@rhowardbrowne
Leaked audio from days after the 2016 election, before Trump’s inauguration—Biden calls Poroshenko, then head of state of Ukraine, and threatens him with assassination if he cooperates with the incoming Trump administration.
Report back what eggsactly, Cronkite? Report that I don’t, have never and have continually& fiercely criticized renewballs? What fuck are you driving at?
Some people have reason to travel as part of their business/employment.
Cooking for yourself in such circumstances is not always practicable.
There actually is a valid non-leisure market for restaurant/cafe dining.
rickwsays:
August 21, 2022 at 5:00 pm
A time limit on receiving social security. Six months, and it ends.
I would suggest a tapering scheme, 5% reduction per month, something like that.
The detail doesn’t matter, the principle that you can’t stay on it forever is the issue.
Wages covered by UnFairwork were raised 5.2% in July.
That tragic story shows the dead teenagers were only 14 and 13. Technically teenagers but really just kids.
The evil monsters who poison kids’ minds make my blood boil.
rickw says: August 21, 2022 at 4:58 pm
There will however, be a significant demand that remains unsatisfied.
No it doesn’t. You raised the horror of more expensive restaurants. I’m saying they don’t matter.
While you keep plugging more immigration you are dead set opposed to wages growth here. Even the RBA accept this and in fact calculate on this fact. The essence is, you have always and will always oppose wages growth and want more immigration. Because you want more GDP directed towards precious business profits and away from wage earners.
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Yea it does, B john. However, the US participation rate is also at record lows.
Here’s the problem in both countries ( I think). We’re both an aging population with age skewed towards retirement. The covid abortion made older folk take stock and they retreated from the workforce permanently. I suspect that is what’s occurred. These folks aren’t coming back and we’re left with an old population and a shrunken workforce. This doesn’t spell great things for economic dynamism.
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Gonzalo Lira
@GonzaloLira1968
Remember when first they deplatformed Stormfront—and no one said a thing. Some even applauded.
Then they deplatformed Alex Jones.
Now they’re deplatforming whomever they like.
The same will happen once they arrest Trump: Anyone who disagrees with the Regime will be arrested.
You should try harder with your bullshit JC. You know you refer to min wage earners, a miniscule fraction of the workforce. Here are the facts I stated.
https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/annual-wage-growth-26-june-quarter-2022#:~:text=The%20seasonally%20adjusted%20Wage%20Price,Bureau%20of%20Statistics%20(ABS).
Indolent, I don’t agree with Howard-Browne’s assessment of Biden’s words as an assassination threat.
Some very rate good news.
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It doesn’t matter to YOU. Let other’s decide what matters which is the only thing that determines a positive rate of return.
I’m fine with market determined wage growth attuned to productivity increases. I’m not fine with a bunch of public service kunts determining wages. Take that to the bank.
What eggsactly does or has the RBA said. Tell me or lead me to their quotes is better.
Please. Just please stop the mind reading crap and reply to the written word. You’re not a mind reader. See what I said about wages.
You’re beginning to sound like Wayne Swan and I don’t like this one bit. There’s no skewing of wages and profits in a free market. None.
While you keep plugging more immigration you are dead set opposed to wages growth here. Even the RBA accept this and in fact calculate on this fact. The essence is, you have always and will always oppose wages growth and want more immigration. Because you want more GDP directed towards precious business profits and away from wage earners.
Which brings me back to high income for me but not for thee. I take a dim view of people who are financially comfortable complaining about others having or wanting the same.
Are you perfectly fine then with a bunch of public servants determining wage rates? Yes or no?
Indolentsays:
August 21, 2022 at 5:11 pm
Rodney Howard-Browne
@rhowardbrowne
Leaked audio from days after the 2016 election, before Trump’s inauguration—Biden calls Poroshenko, then head of state of Ukraine, and threatens him with assassination if he cooperates with the incoming Trump administration.
This is why biden and a few hundred other demorats and swampies should be treated as traitors. But nothing will happen because most people are sheep.
The problems we have here with gutless, compliant conservatives is not as bad as in the US:
‘Dr. Oz Is Getting Crushed by a Stroke Victim Who Was Already Crazy’
Are you perfectly fine then with a bunch of public servants determining wage rates? Yes or no?
I generally don’t like pubic servants but a minimum wage is fair enough so yes.
Needs more time …
Well then stop talking to me as we have zero to discuss. I pegged you earlier as being a commie and your latest comment very much suggests you are. It’s not a putdown, by the way, but a reasonable description.Central wage fixing is a feature in socialism.
Also, your sentence doesn’t make sense. You must like public servants or these public servants hiking wages at their discretion.
Mark Latham’s manifesto from a few years back still stands imo-
THE TOP FIVE POLICIES AUSTRALIA NEEDS IN 2018:
1. Reduce our immigration intake from 200,000 pa to the 20th century average of 70,000, to take the pressure off housing prices, jobs, wages and city congestion.
2. Big personal income tax cuts, reducing the top marginal rate from 49% to 35%, with other rates coming down to 25 and 15%. This would reboot the economy by giving businesses and workers extra incentive. They should work for themselves, not the taxman!
3. End Australia’s energy crisis and reduce prices by lifting all restrictions on energy production. We should be a global energy superpower, with abundant fossil, renewable and nuclear power.
4. Fight back against political correctness by abolishing Leftist sinkholes like the ABC, SBS and Human Rights Commission, and cleaning cultural Marxism out of our universities and schools.
5. Win the war on terror by introducing a Trump-style travel ban and locking up mentally-ill radicals who threaten public safety.
Make that 2023 now.
Well then stop talking to me as we have zero to discuss.
suits me fine
Signs look good. Screams be on me next time. Bowen is an asset.
Sorry, but I don’t like socialists. Central wage fixing is socialism.
Let’s go easy on stroke victims, eh?
JC
These folks aren’t coming back and we’re left with an old population and a shrunken workforce. This doesn’t spell great things for economic dynamism.
Are you suggesting that the millions (literally) crossing the southern border won’t make any difference?
Sacré bleu, Arks.
FFS, there is no reason to get a bit animated over the fact that we no longer make ugly overpriced clunkers.
No, I was talking about older American and Australian folks who permanently or semi-permanently took themselves out of the workforce.
Yea, we think our pooch has had a stroke last night. It’s like a family member giving way.
Google it yourself. Lowe has stated it often enough.
You may have missed it, but we are far far from an open and free economy based on pure capitalist principles. That will never change. Not in yours , mine or our kids lifetimes. It’s a rigged economy.
We are simply arguing about HOW it is best rigged. You want it to remain rigged for Business. I’m saying it’s gone way too far and now should be swung back to the benefit of wage earners.
Arks, as he imagines himself …
We are simply arguing about HOW it is best rigged. You want it to remain rigged for Business. I’m saying it’s gone way too far and now should be swung back to the benefit of wage earners.
Employee shares used to be a good compromise in the labour vs capital stoush. One company I worked for used to give match shares you paid for with salary sacrifice. Seems krudd excreta creature stopped that.
Sorry to hear it, Squire. Time to replace it with a newly domesticated Fox.
You know you want to.
I can’t google something if I don’t know what the search is for.
So we close it even more so?
That’s always been the Liar’s party argument. But why? Explain your position.
JC
I have mixed feelings about subsidies to (at least parts of) Australian industry.
Start with Defence. On the one hand, any clear assessment over the last 30 or so years of Defence capital equipment procurement would find that we are wasting time and money even trying to build top of the line ships, aircraft, armoured vehicles, missiles and artillery. By extension, that also applies to high end civil aircraft. We should buy what we need from high quality manufacturers in friendly nations.
OTOH, we need to be able to manufacture military consumables here (small arms, grenades, ammunition, fuel, uniforms as examples). In a conflict, we will use these in large quantities, and cannot afford to wait for more imports.
Liquid fuel (regardless of fantasies about renewables and EVs) will remain essential to the Australian economy for very many years to come. As will gas (not the US type). There are options, such as increasing exploration for and exploitation of reserves in Australia, and considering coal to liquid technology (which is well established, and we have loads of coal).
Then there is the matter of pharmaceuticals. While I now believe that so-called Big Pharma has gone over the top, the reality that much of the commonly used items, general medicines and such, seem to either come from China or rely on precursor chemicals produced there is concerning. We should be able to keep the general population healthy regardless of what China wants.
These are just some simple examples. Others will have their own lists, maybe computers should be considered. Happy to see your response, including any arguments against the suggestions.
JCsays:
August 21, 2022 at 5:47 pm
Are you suggesting that the millions (literally) crossing the southern border won’t make any difference?
No, I was talking about older American and Australian folks who permanently or semi-permanently took themselves out of the workforce.
OK.
Mining actually has a negative rate of assistance, that is it cops anti-protectionism because it’s suppliers etc are protected.
Mining has one of the highest inter industry multipliers – around 3.
End renewables subsidies & renewables targets and stop taxing income so heavily! Mining would boom like we could not imagine.
Pies by a point, after being 4 goals down!
Eat shit Caaaaarlton!
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miltonf
Employee shares used to be a good compromise in the labour vs capital stoush. One company I worked for used to give match shares you paid for with salary sacrifice. Seems krudd excreta creature stopped that.
Gotta keep that labour/capital conflict going. How else will there be an ongoing need for Liars politicians?
Australia could be a net energy exporter if we were not irrationally afraid of nuclear and didn’t have anti civilisational muppets like Morrison and Andrew’s unilaterally shutting down gas and oil, needless to say the PRRT ought to be axed.
Before going for a Chiko Roll.
Then there is the matter of pharmaceuticals. While I now believe that so-called Big Pharma has gone over the top, the reality that much of the commonly used items, general medicines and such, seem to either come from China or rely on precursor chemicals produced there is concerning.
Yes it’s unreal that production of something as essential as penicillin has been offshored to a hostile power by ‘private enterprise’. Breitbart calls it corporate communism. More evidence that big business is not your friend.
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You and Rabz can say what you like about me, but I’ll be damned if I’ll stand here and listen to you slag off at the chiko roll.
Australian participation rate is around 68% (government employment and vocational training “growth” lately is alarming!!!).
Full time employment is about 66% of employed persons.
Full time privately employed persons is about 32.5% of the population.
How many of those are net taxpayers???
I am all for the openness and metrics Topher Field has proposed in the past.
We’re not fully informed as electors, let alone citizens.
For my sins I managed a company ESOP. It’s nice if the shares trade more than a couple of times a week.
I’m pro Chiko Roll.
B John
If our supply lines were cut off then I believe it wouldn’t matter what we produced here in terms of small arms. We’re donesky if our supply lines are in that bad shape.
These things don’t require subsidies they require the state to get off our back such as
1/ stop dictating what energy we can use
2/ stop choking off access to potential reserves
3/ a reordering of our legal structure.
Regarding the last point. The present day weakness in our system is that states can extract royalties from private land. This is horrendous as the land should belong to the land owner from the core to the heavens.
I’m sure we can organize ourselves away from china on this side of things.
Where does it end though. We’ve got on fine without making computers. I can’t imagine how this wouldn’t become another car sector. We’d end up imposing tariffs and quotas on imports.
Look, every major corp in the world with manufacturing operations in China is presently restructuring away from China.
LOL – in the meantime, I’ve just been informed by a certain cat commentator that Carltonini have exited the ALPFL against their arch rivals in a most ignominious fashion.
🙂
I was quite literally just talking to a mate about this, if ever the government loses the mining royalties etc. and has to rely on just tax from the internal population you can watch the whole thing explode.
FFS, there is no reason to get a bit animated over the fact that we no longer make ugly overpriced clunkers.
why not? As one of my work mates remarked Kingswoods are part of our culture.
Some of the Aussie built autos were rather handsome too- the last Aurion for example especially in red.
Pharmaceuticals are not that hard to make really. It is a well understood science and most drugs are old.
We will never run out of feedstocks. There are so many reaction pathways and they are so common.
Energy is the cost constraint.
We are the global source for licit opium.
Yep.
Big John will be rolling in his grave.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda….
Won’t happen. Our electorate are far too dim on the real issues that control their lives and futures. We are in a rigged economy so the struggle is for how it is to be rigged. Neither the Liars or the SFL’s are on the side of the average wage earner. That much is crystal.
miltonf says: August 21, 2022 at 5:31 pm
Clayton’s answer!
Strickerly speaking milton, that response doesn’t answer either question.
needless to say the PRRT ought to be axed.
And what tax would you put on them?
‘Fraid so, Rabz. Bring on 2023!
In the meantime, think beautiful thoughts — like the 1956 Chev Bel Air.
But hey. We’re not Collingwood.
So there’s that.
Your daily dose of black pills!
I don’t even care if I look a mess … 😕
I used to like listening to Devin Stack, but the lingering anti semitism was pretty off putting.
Like Fuentes.
Anyway, his video “don’t black pill me bro” is top notch.
Before we consider that, remember that tax and rape have the same etymology.
Rabz, I imagine you in that pose. On the other hand perhaps not, you’re too young for that era.
Frank just bought one on American Pickers.
Maroon and white. Beautiful.
Miltonf, it always makes me wonder if we are getting the real thing or just something fake. Does anyone check?
There’s sample testing going on. An Indian generic maker was fined US$900 plus in the US for making shitty generics. They’re all pretty scared of the US. I think they’re safe.
Roger we spare the same viewing habits.
The number of places you can go to escape politics is becoming vanishingly small…
whoops US900 million
spare/share. FFS.
JC
If our supply lines were cut off then I believe it wouldn’t matter what we produced here in terms of small arms. We’re donesky if our supply lines are in that bad shape.
Define “supply lines”. If we can manage to build the high usage basics, we can get the relatively small numbers of ships, aircraft, tanks that we need. And cutting our supply lines, as I think you have commented previously, will not be that easy. East and west, there is a lot of ocean and airspace to hide in/cover, though less so to the north.
These things don’t require subsidies they require the state to get off our back such as
1/ stop dictating what energy we can use
2/ stop choking off access to potential reserves
3/ a reordering of our legal structure.
Regarding the last point. The present day weakness in our system is that states can extract royalties from private land. This is horrendous as the land should belong to the land owner from the core to the heavens.
Agree entirely.
I’m sure we can organize ourselves away from china on this side of things.
Then let’s do it. Even if it costs some subsidies up front, the value would be great.
Where does it end though. We’ve got on fine without making computers. I can’t imagine how this wouldn’t become another car sector. We’d end up imposing tariffs and quotas on imports.
OK, we could fly them in anyway.
Look, every major corp in the world with manufacturing operations in China is presently restructuring away from China.
Then let’s get with the trend.
Miltonf, swf.
Forget what I said. I had an off day and had Leadership trolling me as usual, which always pisses me off as I have zero respect for the turd.
Dotsays:
August 21, 2022 at 6:40 pm
We are in a rigged economy so the struggle is for how it is to be rigged.
Your daily dose of black pills!
Do we get those from China, or manufacture locally?
Dotsays:
August 21, 2022 at 6:40 pm
We are in a rigged economy so the struggle is for how it is to be rigged.
Your daily dose of black pills!
Do we get those from China, or manufacture locally?
When routine bites hard …
So if we have lots of ocean and airspace it’s likely that it would be cheaper to import those things you suggested. We tried going our own way during and just after WW2 with a defense industry and that ended up being scrapped.
We can piggy back off what the US does I think. Like it or not, we are pretty much the 52nd state after the UK anyway. 🙂
+1
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