Open Thread – Tues 25 Oct 2022


The Seven Works of Mercy, Caravaggio, 1607

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Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 8:52 am

Yes, The U.S. Military Is Weak

Or should that be Woke?

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 8:53 am

Excellent. The best thing about animals is they don’t argue back. And they have no domestic issues.

Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 8:54 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
October 27, 2022 8:54 am

Those Sydney people who see Brad Hazzard down the street must, as a call of duty, give him the absolute beans.
Not that I advocate violence but to see him dragged behind a Torana down Macquarie Street in a tutu would be befitting

Johnny Rotten
October 27, 2022 8:54 am

Please all, and you will please none.

– Aesop

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 8:56 am

I also left the phone at home when I was running the gauntlet of the Gauleiters- also carried cash only.
At first, it was the tracking risk- then, I didn’t want to have to hand over anything identifying myself.
Still have fone-free weekends, but distressed how many “services” require a phone app. Wifey recently put a ping-off myGovID app on my phone to more easily extract business activity info off me- and like earlier sub-stoush about digitization of land titles, these digital probes never make anything quicker, simpler or more strife-proof, and once you’ve got it, it’s your obligation to abide by it at the ping of a notification.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 27, 2022 8:56 am

If they want to find were you’ve been even without GPS on the IMEI number of your phone will track you.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 27, 2022 8:57 am

Chronicles of a Japanese airman captured in Manchuria.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 8:59 am

One of the businesses that thrived under Covid was home improvement/renovation.
Maybe cassie- I think it might have just bumped jobs forward on the calendar, rather than creating new activity.
Though an analysis of Bunnings till items might prove me wrong.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 27, 2022 9:06 am

Well, according to Liberal Party elites, people like James Allan, myself and others here should not criticise the Liberals. According to Peter Dutton, we’re extreme right and washed up PHON and UAP voters and according to Nick Cater we must move on from the last nine years.

James Allen’s excellent summary also accurately reflects the course of discussion at the Old Cat as 2020 unfolded.

The points being that:

a) no mad Nostradamus skills were needed to predict the fuckup trajectory – it was there for everyone to see as it unfolded;

b) this conclusion was based on straightforward observation of what was happening in the world of infection – not [spooky music] Extreme Right Wing Ideology.

Which was presumably why Team Albo shut up and let Scummo get on with destroying the Liberal Party as a governing option.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 9:07 am

flyingduksays:
October 27, 2022 at 8:43 am
Frankly, these sort of waffly, enfeebled pleas

Do you and me need to step outside to the stoush thread, Duk?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 27, 2022 9:10 am

To my surprise I find I’ve given a dickless uptick to one of indolent’s links.

I am just going outside and may be some time.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:10 am

Artificial and accelerated evolution also works; the US black man was bred for size and aggression for a couple of centuries resulting in a much higher crime rate within that population today. I saw this from last night. I’m not wanting a stoush but the above sounds just a tad, erm, controversial. Is there any peer-reviewed science behind that?

Now that we know ‘peer reviewed’ science is broken (it would be better termed ‘Pal reviewed’) and no longer ‘independent’ but rather provides the result the funders desire (think klimate science, pfizer articles etc), we need to give more regard to what our lying eyes show us than what our lying masters tell us.

Within that framework, imagine you are a player in a computer game. You get 100 points to spend on your character to buy muscles, brain, insulating fat, eyesight, teeth etc etc. The winning character in the game is the one that performs the best in the particular environment of the game. If you spend all your points on eyesight, but the game is run at the North Pole, your character dies during the artic winter for want of fat stores. To put it another way – if you build ‘Woody Allen’ – who is good with his brain and mouth -as your character, because you think the game will be run in the New York Arts district, but the game is run in the Congo, you will be dead by lunchtime and Usain Bolt – who is good with his muscles -will instead win.

The point I am making is that the world has many different environments and the most successful human form in each one is different. This is patently obvious if you line up an eskimo next to a masai.

Given we are social creatures, and the (big, expensive) brain is a key driver of social behaviour, it follows that intelligence and sociability will also vary in value according to the environment, and, because these are inherited traits, will persist in a new environment, which may not suit them.

It is well known that IQ fundamentally affects how a society looks, and IQ is strongly genetic.

Now take a look at this map of ‘world IQ by country’ and you will see that caucasian populations, and their diaspora, generally produce very different societies than their asian or african bretheren. This is, I believe, strong evidence that IQs do vary between races and drive what their societies look like. US black men didnt need to be ‘bred for a couple of centuries’ for power and aggression, they had already been shaped that way for millenia by their environment.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:12 am

This is a fundamental point which they knew, but lied to us about

they lied about everything and continue to do so

Once you realise they have lied to you about one thing, you realise they have lied about everything

Fiat currency
Inflation
Welfare
White guilt
Statins/cholesterol hypothesis
Healthy Food Pyramid
Covid control measures

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 9:12 am

I think it might have just bumped jobs forward on the calendar, rather than creating new activity.

Possibly. On big ticket items, say $100k+, people would have been planning to have the work done at some future time.

In a low interest environment, coupled with a lot of time at home under lockdown/WFH, the work would become more urgent in people’s minds. Now that interest rates are on the up and costs increasing those improvements are not nearly as urgent.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:13 am

Once you realise they have lied to you about one thing, you realise they have lied about everything

forgot to include AGW and renewballs

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 9:15 am

Which was presumably why Team Albo shut up and let Scummo get on with destroying the Liberal Party as a governing option.

Never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake – Albo Tzu

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 9:23 am

Tintarella:

End of rant/sorry about that.

Never apologise for a damn good rant.
We appear to be nearing the end game and bloody good shaking up of those around us is not only a requirement for survival, but an essential part of it.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 27, 2022 9:24 am

Certainly chilling what has happened in the yookay. Reminds me of when cranky Frankie took over in the Vatican.

rosie
rosie
October 27, 2022 9:25 am

Didn’t the Federal government kick in significant sums for home renovations during covid?
At least 2.1 billion as of 7 March 2022

yes they did

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 9:26 am

Homenationdefence

Seventy Diggers to help Ukraine
The ADF is sending another 30 Bushmaster protected vehicles to Ukraine.

Ben Packham
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9:30PM October 26, 2022
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Australia will deploy up to 70 ADF personnel to train Ukrainian troops, and send another 30 Bushmaster protected vehicles to the country to support its war against Russia.

The Australian Defence Force trainers will be based in Britain from January 2023 as part of Operation Interflex – the British-led effort to train Ukrainian forces.

The extra Bushmasters, which Ukrainian troops have lauded for their battlefield performance, brings the number of the vehicles now pledged to Ukraine to 90.

Ukraine is desperate to speed up the delivery of the promised Bushmasters and M113 armoured personnel carriers, which are being shipped at the rate of just three a fortnight.

It’s understood Ukraine has made an informal request for US support to transport the Australian vehicles to Europe.

Anthony Albanese said Australia had been unequivocal in its support for Ukraine and its condemnation of Vladimir Putin. “We will continue to stand up for freedom and democracy,” the Prime Minister said.

“This is a not just about Ukraine’s sovereignty; the brave people of Ukraine are defending international law, rules and norms.”

The Australian training support follows the deployment of 30 New Zealand Army trainers to the UK-led mission, and an Ardern government commitment to send another 120.

The Albanese government has made it clear “no ADF personnel will enter Ukraine”.

Tom
Tom
October 27, 2022 9:27 am

I used to love watching sport. Can’t be bothered any more. Just about every code is now dead to me.

Sports fans loathe politics, so media lefties in the sports space have made it their mission to oppose what fans want on every issue.

Australia’s first sports radio network, SEN, is the very clever creation of sports writer-broadcaster Craig Hutchison, who, being an entrtepreneur, isn’t a lefty, but he has populated his network with lefties who are a giant turn-off to sports fans.

The fact that the media lefties he has hired philosophically want to strangle and eventually kill sports broadcasting hasn’t yet occurred to Hutchison.

He is being protected from that reality by the excellent commercial department SEN inherited from the old SEN station of the same name in Melbourne that existed for 15 years before he took it over.

Even as it grows into a national network with radio signals in virtually every capital city and regional market, the SEN commercial department is underwriting annual profits that are making it all possible.

When he took over SEN about three years ago, Hutchison’s signature hire was the ABC’s Gerard Whateley, a rabid lefty who, for example, once confessed he didn’t understand the appeal of former US president Donald Trump.

At first setting out to preach lefty politics at every opportunity, Whateley has pulled his head in over the past three years, but his decades on the public teat decided his politics: he’s for big government, the tyranny of “experts” and the systematic disinformation of the mainstream media.

Like all media lefties, he can’t believe everyone doesn’t think like him.

Simultaneously three years ago, Hutchison got rid of popular SEN sports broadcaster Kevin Bartlett, a former AFL champion, and the successful drive-time duo (golfer) Mark Allen and (footballer) David “Ox” Schwartz.

All the people Hutchison fired were politically unaligned and most of their replacements are lefties who most sports fans loathe and who constantly inject lefty politics into every sports issue.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:28 am

Is that why older people get free annual flu shots, need covid boosters but are still more likely to succumb to flu/covid anyhow,

It should be obvious by now that vaccination cannot protect people with poor immune systems from rapidly changing, highly infectious viruses because they simply mutate around any short term protection provided. Your immune system is a dynamic thing which needs regular exercise to keep it fighting fit and up to date with what ever threats are out there. This would be true of the COVID even if they worked as intended, and there is now a mountain of evidence that they dont. Looking back, same same was always true for the Fluvax too – my seatbelt does not protect grandma in the crash.

And doesn’t that make the covid vaccines real vaccines, albeit ones that reduce in efficacy too quickly?

No – another name for vaccines is ‘immunisations’ – because they provide immunity – they stop you getting the disease at all. Agents which only modify disease severity are therapeutics. By that metric, if the COVID shots are vaccines, so too is Panadol. That is why I use the spelling ‘vaxxine’ for the COVID shots.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 9:28 am

I now feel no service obligation to the Australian people and will never salute the flag again.

Mate who was a ARH Tiger instructor was feeling that way before covid. Why would I fight for this government and the bogans who vote for it? Now flies EMS helicopters.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 9:30 am

Johanna:

Then, it was discovered in children and domestic pets, and the Cone of Silence descended.

There’s the guts of it – it looked like the weirdos were including children and animals in their bedroom antics – now it’s obvious it isn’t the children and Fido.
As we said would happen and the familial spread of monkeypox suddenly became obvious, so to the forgettery with you.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 9:30 am

yeah, yeah, turn off the GPS etc on your phone and only allow in app location.
I’m sure that you can be absolutely certain that that is what the phone reports to you.
Whether it really does that is another matter.
Note most phones no longer have removable batteries.

Struth
October 27, 2022 9:30 am

“Real vaccines work by stimulating the immune system – for that reason, they don’t work well in people with poor immune systems, ie the elderly, chronically sick, malnourished, on immunosuppressant medications, diabetics etc etc etc”
Is that why older people get free annual flu shots, need covid boosters but are still more likely to succumb to flu/covid anyhow, because there is always a limit to what vaccination can do for people with seriously compromised immune systems?
And doesn’t that make the covid vaccines real vaccines, albeit ones that reduce in efficacy too quickly?

Is that why older people get free annual flu shots, need covid boosters but are still more likely to succumb to flu/covid anyhow, because there is always a limit to what vaccination can do for people with seriously compromised immune systems?

They don’t need a covid jab.
Fullstop.
Poisoning someone is not necessary at any age.

Evil or thick, or both?

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:33 am

Duk

What’s the time span for the flu mutation making the flu shot ineffective. I’d also add that while a new strain comes onboard the old one would still be existence, no?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 9:33 am

Libs must be thrown out to bring in a new generation of representatives that have seen the folly of their predecessors’ ways.

There would seem to be a bit of a disjoint between being truly liberal and being a politician. Considering what politicians trade in – more laws, compromises, deals with Devil, and whatever happens their only power, the only thing they contribute, is more regulation and more taxes.

Trump was an outsider. De Santis and Cruz (he is remorseless in Senate hearings), and some others, were renegades despised by the RINOs. But I consider that Trump was a disruption, a jarring whack on the side of the party that knocked things loose and allowed a realignment. Foundering, barnacle crusted old wrecks like Liz Cheney are being abandoned, while a sleek new fleet is being launched.

It is to be hoped that the whacking the Libs got at the last election will give them a chance at rejuvenation. A lot of dead flesh was cut off. Problem is that the people who run the party are still there because they are beyond the reach of voters. Even of party members. And they seem more content to be leeches on the opposition benches in a sinking Australia than to properly lead a buoyant Australia without ‘wetting their beaks’.

WolfmanOz
October 27, 2022 9:33 am

calli says:
October 27, 2022 at 8:20 am
I used to love watching sport. Can’t be bothered any more. Just about every code is now dead to me.

Likewise calli.

I used to be a big follower of English soccer/EPL but no anymore. It’s morphed into a greed league where only a handful of clubs compete . . . the rest can please themselves. It’s an abomination.

As for my club – Wolverhampton Wanderers whom I supported for over 50 years – I no longer care about them anymore (been 2 years plus now). They’re owned by a Chineses investment company and I flatly refuse to have anything to do with them.

My interest in soccer now is doing referee games for private high school students (both boys and girls).

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:35 am

Please all, and you will please none. – Aesop

“He who defends everything defends nothing”- Frederick the Great, King of Prussia in the 1700s.

War is, after all, simply “politics by other means” – Clausewitz.

I rather suspect the present generations preoccupation with MKR and ‘Farmer wants a root’ is why they are so easily lead. I credit my 50+ years of reading of history with allowing me to see through the COVID campaign so quickly.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:37 am

Duk

What’s your solution to blocked arteries if statins don’t work?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 9:39 am

I also left the phone at home when I was running the gauntlet of the Gauleiters- also carried cash only.

Amateur, I carried an old one with a broken screen and no battery – if ever challenged by Popo to show my nazi pass, I was going to pull it out, fumble it, drop it, pick it up and say ‘shit I just broke it’.

That was, until an IT friend showed me how you could just scan the QR code but not press ‘send’. This simply ‘parked’ the code but didnt sent it. Then, if ever challenged, you could pull it out and press send at that time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 9:43 am

Dr Faustussays:

October 27, 2022 at 9:10 am

To my surprise I find I’ve given a dickless uptick to one of indolent’s links.

I am just going outside and may be some time.

Give yourself an uppercut while you’re out there.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 27, 2022 9:43 am

The extra Bushmasters, which Ukrainian troops have lauded for their battlefield performance

From what I’ve seen, they do maintain structural integrity when they hit AP mines.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 9:44 am

Those Sydney people who see Brad Hazzard down the street must, as a call of duty, give him the absolute beans.

All those people who slavishly followed his holy writ were ‘The Dupes of Hazzard’.

Gladys was no Cousin Daisy, though. Parrothead was happy to be Boss Hogg but.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 9:45 am

flyingduksays:
October 27, 2022 at 9:10 am

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg

Ok I will claim the Italian Heritage IQ over the Aussie IQ

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 9:45 am

Incoherent Rambler:

Are we aware of why people turn into avenging angels when they discover they are the victim of a botched medical procedure/medication? (if they are still alive)

I’m usually a reasonably imaginative bloke, but hadn’t put together the bits and pieces.
In 1945/46/47, the Jewish Brigade (? name?) was going through Europe hunting down the Nazis/SS/Gestapo who had slaughtered their countrymen and others and despatching them extra-judiciously. Apparently did a fine job.
In Kurt Schlicters latest book – Inferno – set about 10 -15 years from now, he resurrects the idea. A quasi legal formation of soldiers/brigands/survivors called The Mutilated are now searching for the people who mutilated them with chemicals and surgery. I haven’t gone any further than this so far so the concept was an interesting progression
There are probably tens of thousands of kids and young adults who in 10/15 years time are going to be looking for revenge.
Because that’s the problem with abuse against children – the abusers never realise that the children will grow up into enraged adults. Just because the system has discarded you, doesn’t mean the discarded have forgotten how they were treated.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
October 27, 2022 9:45 am

Does Fetterman remind you of Forrest Gump or Simple Jack (Tropic Thunder)? I think a combination of both.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 9:46 am

I see Rishi Sunak’s WEF puppet credentials have taken a hit overnight with the appointment of staunch nationalists Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch to his inner cabinet.

Klaus will be disappointed.

Johnny Rotten
October 27, 2022 9:48 am

WolfmanOzsays:
October 27, 2022 at 9:33 am
calli says:
October 27, 2022 at 8:20 am
I used to love watching sport. Can’t be bothered any more. Just about every code is now dead to me.

Likewise calli.

I used to be a big follower of English soccer/EPL but no anymore. It’s morphed into a greed league where only a handful of clubs compete . . . the rest can please themselves. It’s an abomination.

As for my club – Wolverhampton Wanderers whom I supported for over 50 years – I no longer care about them anymore (been 2 years plus now). They’re owned by a Chineses investment company and I flatly refuse to have anything to do with them.

I often feel the same way about the Club that I follow – Tottering Hotspur. Daniel Levy, the Club Chairman, seems more interested in just making money rather than being the Chairman of a Football Club that plays football. At least Spurs have British Owners.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 9:52 am

Cassius Turvey: Girlfriend of murder accused Jack Brearley cooperating with WA Police investigation
Daryna Zadvrina & Shannon HamptonThe West Australian
Thu, 27 October 2022 5:00AM
Current Time 0:30
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Duration 1:16

The girlfriend of the man accused of murdering Aboriginal schoolboy Cassius Turvey is cooperating with the investigation as WA’s top cop urges the community to “refrain from unfounded speculation”.

The woman is understood to have been the driver of the black utility, which police say pulled up alongside the 15-year-old and his friends as they walked home from school on Patterson Drive in Middle Swan before the attack two weeks ago.

Jack Brearley, 21, has been charged with murder over the teen’s death, police alleging he chased the boys, caught up with Cassius and bashed him with a metal pole, leaving him with head injuries that eventually caused his death.

The West Australian understands the female driver is helping police as they investigate.

It is further understood police have questioned several others in relation to the ambush, but no further charges have been laid.

The revelations came as Police Commissioner Col Blanch urged the community to “refrain from unfounded speculation” in the midst of growing unrest, particularly on social media.

“The investigation into Cassius’ death is ongoing, and homicide squad detectives are building a picture of circumstances leading up to the attack,” he said in a statement late on Wednesday.

Lidia Thorpe has cast the light of her countenance on this case – that’s all we need!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 9:53 am

Hmm – interesting just updated to macOS Ventura Ver 13.0 – and bottom app tabs and top Chrome line have changed to shading Orange? (Badly Colour Blind, so Colour probably wrong) going from left to right, light to strong colour

The Mysteries of Life!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 9:56 am

Sports fans loathe politics, so media lefties in the sports space have made it their mission to oppose what fans want on every issue.

I wonder whether sports people whose sport is not a giant money-spinner like NRL or AFL, turn into lefties because in their junior years they are dependent on government largesse and in retirement, while their identity is tied to their old sport they have nothing to contribute, all they can do is demand the government spend more money and build more facilities.

This would line them up with Labor rather than Greens, you would think.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 9:58 am

flyingduksays:
October 27, 2022 at 9:39 am
I also left the phone at home when I was running the gauntlet of the Gauleiters- also carried cash only.

Amateur, I carried an old one with a broken screen and no battery – if ever challenged by Popo to show my nazi pass, I was going to pull it out, fumble it, drop it, pick it up and say ‘shit I just broke it’.

Never ever used QR App – always said at Hospital, Restaurants whatever – give me a pen or pencil

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 10:01 am

Anthony Albanese said Australia had been unequivocal in its support for Ukraine and its condemnation of Vladimir Putin. “We will continue to stand up for freedom and democracy,” the Prime Minister said.

Where are you going to find “freedom and democracy” in today’s world?
Mrs Eyrie informed me this morning that Australia has sent A$ 655 million to Ukraine this year and has another A$210 million scheduled over the next 5 years.
Would buy a lot of road/highway repair which is badly needed. Fuck Ukraine.

Johnny Rotten
October 27, 2022 10:03 am

The little reed, bending to the force of the wind, soon stood upright again when the storm had passed over.

– Aesop

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:04 am

The ADF is sending another 30 Bushmaster protected vehicles to Ukraine.

That brings the total to 90.

Lest do some back of the envelope maths, NBN style:

1) One Bushmaster costs 2.5 million, 90 cost $225 million
2) Transport to Ukraine at 4 per C17 at 18h one way x $25,000 per hour , doubled to include return trip = $900,000. Multiply by 90/4 = 23 trips = $21 million.

So, just to donate and deliver these vehicles is costing the taxpayer in the ballpark of a quarter of a billion dollars.

Now does the incentive for local ‘defence contractors’ to stir up war in far away places make sense?

As a comparison, the US lost over 5000 helicopters in Vietnam, and nearly 10,000 overall. Similarly, they lost over 400 just up to 2010 in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Its a familiar big war/big pharma/big food model – capture government to create a market to sell your harmful products, and if people get hurt, its just the cost of business no?

John
John
October 27, 2022 10:04 am

Libs must be thrown out to bring in a new generation of representatives that have seen the folly of their predecessors’ ways.

What they have seen is a substantial swing to Labor/Greens/Teals and they will have learnt the lesson to more closely align with what the voters want. There was no traction to the freedom Parties and no Politician wants to back a losing side if they seriously aspire to power.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 10:04 am

Lidia Thorpe has cast the light of her countenance on this case – that’s all we need!

Enough.
These fuckers beat a kid to death because they thought that maybe he and his mates might have damaged his ute.
And so what if they did.
Beating someone to death because they damaged your wing mirror?
Fuck off.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
October 27, 2022 10:05 am
Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:06 am

Labor is currently chuffed about winning the federal election, after nine long years in the wilderness, however some kind soul needs to tap them on the shoulder and politely remind them that too much hubris is always dangerous, very dangerous. Albanese has had a long honeymoon period, primarily because he has the MSM on his side but also because the average voter is relieved Scumbag and the stupid fucking Liberals are no longer in power. And Labor will stuff up because they can’t help themselves, hubris kills, an example of this is that they currently delude themselves with the thinking they won government because of Morrison’s inaction on climate (I know, it’s laughable) and because the Liberal’s had and have a “women problem”.

Both are bullshit.

Labor won government on 21 May 2022 because the voters, en masse, had finally had enough of Morrison and the Coalition’s cowardice, capitulation, lies, deceit, refusal to argue and fight for right of centre policies. A party that was created by Menzies to stand up for this country’s “forgotten people” instead spent the last nine years not just “forgetting” about the very people it should be standing up for, but worse, spitting in the faces of those forgotten people.

And on 21 May 2022, the forgotten people spat back.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 10:08 am

Mrs Eyrie informed me this morning that Australia has sent A$ 655 million to Ukraine this year and has another A$210 million scheduled over the next 5 years.

Meanwhile, the local public hospital is rationing blankets.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:09 am

War is, after all, simply “politics by other means” – Clausewitz.

I believe that is a ubiquitous, but nevertheless erroneous, translation.

It should be ‘politics with other means’ i.e. at is an adjunct to other political efforts, it does not close them off.

The Pute is putting economic pressure on Europe to throttle its support of Ukraine which, with winter coming, may yet succeed.

My source…

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:11 am

Mate who was a ARH Tiger instructor was feeling that way before covid. Why would I fight for this government and the bogans who vote for it? Now flies EMS helicopters.

Which means

1) he is still serving bogans – the majority of AME flights now are to rescue people from the consequences of their own poor behaviour – morbid obesity, alcohol, meth etc etc etc, not ‘worthy cases having a bad day’.
2) he had to roll up the sleeve or he wouldnt have a job – I know several EMS aircrew who lost their jobs over this.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 10:11 am

Dealing with the police state is well known:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsHjW8rBRk0

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 27, 2022 10:14 am

Daily Mail article intro. This is the one just approved by TGA.

New bivalent Covid vaccines DON’T give people better immunity, studies show
Moderna and Pfizer’s shot is designed to boost protection against Omicron
But scientists found ‘essentially no difference’ in its protection vs original shots
Uptake is lagging in the US with less than nine per cent of people getting shot

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:17 am

What’s the time span for the flu mutation making the flu shot ineffective. I’d also add that while a new strain comes onboard the old one would still be existence, no?

Given the high rate of mutation of such, often times the flu shots are obsolete even before they are released – some data show as little as 9% efficacy some years – and thats the lying corrupt figures they release!

And no, new respiratory virus strains usually rapidly supercede existing strains, which disappear, for example COVID – Wuhan (extinct) Alpha (extinct) Delta (extinct) Omicron – now onto about variant 4, with previous versions gone.

It makes a mockery of continuing to use the WUHAN spike template for all COVID vaxxes up until recently, and then only ADDING in a new antigen type, whilst CONTINUING to include the WUHAN spike mRNA in it – hence ‘bivalent’.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 10:17 am

flyingduk,
Correct. He’d have had to roll up his sleeve if he stayed in the Army and he goes to quite few road accidents involving drunken abos and drug dealers making runs. They get quite a few people who need to go to hospital by road as they exceed the stretcher helo weight limit of 130 Kg. He does reckon he does some good at least some of the time.
I don’t think it’s a long term job but at least he gets to control the risks, not the enemy shooting at him.
He has a wife and one year old boy so got coerced.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 27, 2022 10:19 am

Jury discharged. Perhaps the charges should never have been (dare I say) laid?

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:19 am

Lehmann jury discharged.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:20 am

“Anchor Whatsays:
October 27, 2022 at 10:19 am”

Snap.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 10:21 am

Labor is currently chuffed about winning the federal election, after nine long years in the wilderness, however some kind soul needs to tap them on the shoulder and politely remind them that too much hubris is always dangerous, very dangerous.

Memento Caesar Elbow, thou wast elected on 32% of the primary vote.

Jorge
Jorge
October 27, 2022 10:21 am

Can’t stand Whateley.

SEN Track, on the other hand, is great. I like it if broadcasters drop the ‘g’ off the end of words and hang it on each other.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 27, 2022 10:21 am

Snatched victory from the jaws of defeat!

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:21 am

The Oz is reporting….

““It has come to my attention that contrary to directions I’ve given you have undertaken research into the case,” Justice McCallum said.

“That information has made its way into the jury when it ought not to have.

“It may be that no harm has been done but that is not a risk I can take.”

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 10:22 am

Lotocoti:

How about the freedom parties in Australia get together, bury their differences and form the “RESTORE” party?

It will only happen when someone with enough clout and money gets them together and funds them.
Then has the track record of withdrawing funding if they don’t get their shit together.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:23 am

Lidia Thorpe has cast the light of her countenance on this case – that’s all we need!

Lidia has to re-position herself as hero of indigenous justice after that brief hiccup where her own acts were subject to scrutiny and showed what ethical vacuum she is.

Hopefully, if she can beat this up enough, people will begin to forget her compromising slobbering fling with a bikie.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:23 am

Never ever used QR App

I had to…once. The alternative was leaving my blinded father alone and scared in JH hospital while I stood on my dignity in the foyer. I never thought to simply write my name down.

Yes. I’m a collaborator.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:23 am

““That information has made its way into the jury when it ought not to have.”

Hmm…what could that be? Secret messages from an amphibian?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:24 am

Long read. Sorry. Be forewarned and scroll as you see fit.

Just saw this from last night:

rosie
October 26, 2022 at 7:54 pm

Dawn sings a different song
Dawn Fraser concerned Gina Rinehart may pull out of sports sponsorship after netball debacle

The linked article contains this:

On Tuesday afternoon, basketball legend Andrew Gaze denounced Rinehart staying quiet about her father Lang Hancock’s suggestions in 1984 that indigenous people be sterilised to “breed them out”.

So the piqued radio jockey, Gaze, would seem to have ever so imperiously set down the ritual of abasement and excoriation that Gina must carry out – based on a (deliberate or accidental) misrepresentation of Lang’s sin.

If the quote above accurately reflects the charges laid by Gaze then the punishment is based on Lang saying we should breed Aborigines out, and it sounds a very racist thing. But Lang didn’t say that. He said that the ones who had assimilated or were productive were fine, and it was only the indigent indigenous who lived in squalor and made no effort to improve their lot that he would have neutred. He may have had in mind those dysfunctional outback communities that, as a miner, he had had to deal with.

Still pretty outrageous to talk about sterilising people, but not racist since he was not speaking of the whole race. It could be racially tainted if he felt this should only apply to Aborigines, and not to white multi-generational welfare dependent ferals but it depends on context. He may have been answering a question about his dealings with Aborigines and how many he employs. Maybe because it would seem there is a local workforce he could tap into but didn’t. Maybe it was about the humbug claims to sacred sites that seemed to spring up every time he tried to put a shovel in the ground.

Or maybe not. I do not know. I doubt Gaze knows since he has already shot off at the mouth but hit his own foot.

What has come out of all this, which pleases me immensely, is the tsunami of support Gina has received from ordinary people (whose meal ticket is not punched by stoking controversy). They have heard the accusations, accusations against a rich person (and therefore a pantomimic baddie we are all meant to boo and hiss as soon as they walk on the stage), by a sports team (sports being the essence of Australia and its virtues, of course – how often do we hear sports stars being hailed as ‘heroes’?), who are speaking up in defence of an indigenous woman (and therefore a victim so vulnerable that her victimhood is like adamantium armour).

But ordinary people have seen through it.

In the article Dawn also points out that Gina donates to a wide range of sports many of which don’t enjoy a high profile and would struggle otherwise, and that she does it with absolutely no expectation of recognition.

The upshot of all this is that Gina is now better recognised as a generous patroness of Australian sport than she would have been if the netballers had just accepted the dosh without a word.

And I think that Australians admire, even more than sports folk, those people who quietly do a lot without making a fuss. I know I do.

*Bonus useless fact. When I was a kid thought that what we now call tsunami but were then called ‘tidal waves’ were called ‘tiger waves’. Seemed to make sense considering how destructive they are. Actually, maybe I was right and everyone else has misunderstood. Losers.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:25 am

Will there be a re-trial?

Or is his life simply ruined and no more said?

Kev
Kev
October 27, 2022 10:26 am

Just in case it hasn’t been posted yet. “Jury discharged in Bruce Lehrmann after material entered the jury room that ought not to have”

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 27, 2022 10:26 am

Juries should be directed to return a verdict of not guilty in cases where there are two groups, such as one group wanting to convict while the other group might say something like “insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt”.

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 10:26 am

But who?
I have no doubt that Dutton is a good and honest man, but he is not a leader and his submissiveness during the Morrison outrage calls into question his freedom credentials, and courage.
I can only think of Canavan (I know he is nominally a Nat) but you get the feeling that he prefers to be the sniper rather than leader of the charge.

Johnny Rotten
October 27, 2022 10:27 am

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

– Anonymous

Kev
Kev
October 27, 2022 10:28 am

Mea Culpa…should have read back up the page

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:28 am

“It has come to my attention that contrary to directions I’ve given you have undertaken research into the case,” Justice McCallum said.

Good grief! A jury asking questions. How DARE they!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 10:30 am

Will there be a re-trial?

Depends on whether you think what should happen or what will happen.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 10:31 am

These fuckers beat a kid to death because they thought that maybe he and his mates might have damaged his ute.

Yup nothing excuses that.
It may even turn out the poor kids had nothing to do with the damage anyway.

As I posted the other day, once police start with race based law enforcement (official policy in WA that EVERY effort must be made to keep Aboriginals from lockup/jail) and choose to ignore crimes because of the race of the potential perps you leave people with vigilantism (and all its horrible side effects, such as this case) as a choice.

You also end up with otherwise good kids getting involved with assholes whod otherwise be removed from society.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:31 am

I wonder what the “material” was and how it was delivered and by whom.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 10:32 am

So the piqued radio jockey, Gaze…

Who shares a TV gig with…Sharni Norder.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:32 am

From The Oz…

The jury in the trial of former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann, accused of raping his colleague Brittany Higgins at Parliament House more than three a half years ago, has been discharged.

“It has come to my attention that contrary to directions I’ve given you have undertaken research into the case,” Justice McCallum told the court on Thursday morning.

“That information has made its way into the jury when it ought not to have.

“It may be that no harm has been done but that is not a risk I can take.”

The court heard this prohibited research was uncovered when one of the court officers, who was cleaning the jury room, accidentally bumped one of the juror’s folders onto the floor.

When the officer picked up the folder, which had a clear plastic front, he noticed part of a title of an academic research paper into sexual assault sticking out of the folder.

Justice McCallum said that her associates then identified the article in question.

“The identity of the paper found by my associates has been confirmed in evidence this morning by the juror in question,” she said.

“The subject matter of the paper is indeed sexual assault.

“The juror this morning gave an explanation that the document had not been used or relied upon by any juror.”

However Justice McCallum said she was sceptical about that evidence.

“During the course of the trial … I must have given the jury at least 17 warnings and prohibitions on undertaking any research of their own.”

The matter, heard in the ACT Supreme Court before Chief Justice Lucy McCallum, was expected to run for at least a month but was fast-tracked after more than 20 prosecution witnesses were dropped in the final week.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:33 am

Good grief! A jury asking questions. How DARE they!

I wonder if it was related to them trying to convince those who believed there was reasonable doubt that their wasn’t, and those who believed there wasn’t that there was?

That is, how much was due to that ACT juridical idiosyncrasy that the jury must unanimously agree that there is reasonable doubt. Or not.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:34 am

What’s your solution to blocked arteries if statins don’t work?

Due to the AHPRA nastiness, I am no longer a Dr, but Malcolm McKendricks 2 books, ‘The great cholesterol con’ and ‘The clot thickens’ cover this well.

In essence, he argues that vascular disease is caused by damage to the slippery lining of the vessels* (the endothelium), which is principally caused smoking, diabetes/metabolic ill health from carbs, high blood pressure etc. Unlike any other area of the body, however, when the lining is damaged, it can’t just heal by forming a clot because said clot would ultimately shed off and travel downstream where it would cause a stroke or other blockage. Instead, the clot is rapidly internalised by new endothelial cells growing over it. Said clot is then mopped up and removed by normal repair mechanisms unless it occurs too fast and too often, in which case, clot remnants remain and become inflamed. These clot remnants include cholesterol because red blood cells are full of it and this is where the cholesterol myth comes from. Note that *because* said cholesterol is NOT leaching into the vessel wall from the blood, it is irrelevant what your cholesterol number is and no amount of cholesterol lowering by food or drugs makes a jot of difference – and that doesnt even scratch the surface of the fact that cholesterol is not a poison, its a vital part of cell walls (which is why your cells make it) and you cant dick around with it without consequence, especially if the drugs you use to do it are poisonous themselves and all drugs are.

Ultimately, whatever accumulated vascular damage you have is a done deal, all you can do is modify your lifestyle to avoid further progression of the endothelial insults (stop smoking, stop eating carbs, get metabolically healthy, BMI under 25 etc. Once you do that, the existing damage calcifies over a few years and becomes stable. If y ou want to know what your existing level of coronary damage is, the best way is to get a ‘Cardiac Calcium scan’ done (costs a few hundred $, medicare dont pay, GP will fight you -would rather push a statin than actually measure if you need it). Said scan might tell you, at 60 years of age, that you have NO coronary disease, so they can shove their statins (this is why they dont want to do Calcium scans) or that you have a real issue you need to address as above.

You can then repeat the calcium scan yearly to check how you are doing.

The heart disease/cholesterol/statin scam was just an early iteration of big pharmas ‘create an invisible disease – diagnose by testing – put on meds for life’ business model. COVID and the COVAXXES is just the latest version.

* interestingly, expressing spike proteins on the surface of these lining cells also predisposes to clot formation and strokes!

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:37 am

The court heard this prohibited research was uncovered when one of the court officers, who was cleaning the jury room, accidentally bumped one of the juror’s folders onto the floor.

When the officer picked up the folder, which had a clear plastic front, he noticed part of a title of an academic research paper into sexual assault sticking out of the folder

Bullsh*t on stilts.

If anyone believes that the court officer “accidentally” did anything, they are a complete fool. That the jurdge expects us to swallow it tells us all we need to know.

rosie
rosie
October 27, 2022 10:37 am

An academic paper on sexual assault which did not form part of the evidence, whether it was being used to influence people to a guilty verdict or a not guilty verdict, it had no place in the jury room.
I’d place a bet on where it leaned though , given the makeup of the academic community these days.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 10:37 am

Flungduk has it reasonably well nailed dow if I have understood it correctly.
(And please correct me if I have it ballsed up.)
The spike protein was made not from samples but from printed code the Chinese supplied.
Therefore, the version that has been forcibly injected into the rest of the world may, or may not, have a distinct genetic marker in it.
In other words, the West is now genetically distinct from the rest of the world. Yes?
So can a virus be created that targets that genetic distinction?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 10:40 am

You wonder if a juror had had enough and saw a way out?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:40 am

The extra Bushmasters, which Ukrainian troops have lauded for their battlefield performance ……. From what I’ve seen, they do maintain structural integrity when they hit AP mines.

We lost over 50 Bushmasters in Afghanistan without a fatality and I examined a number of them, and some MRAPS (mine resistant vehicles) from other nations.

Please note they are *mine resistant* only. Much of the protection comes from the V hull and the frangible (breakable) exterior fittings such as the wheels and lockers. A big enough charge, properly located (ideally centrally under the hull, not under the wheel – the Taliban were learning to offset the main charge so the pressure plate was hit by the wheel, but the main charge went off under the centre of the hull) will obliterate even a V hull. I saw one US MRAP which had been so struck and all that was left was the floor of the hull, bent upwards in the centre like a banana. Everything else was gone, the crew compartment, turret, engine, trans, everything.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:41 am

When the officer picked up the folder, which had a clear plastic front, he noticed part of a title of an academic research paper into sexual assault sticking out of the folder.

Actually that makes sense. Too easy to start basing judgement on the contents of the report and not on the facts of the case.

I would imagine an academic report would likely say things like “in 80% of cases where the perpetrator denies assault it is discovered that they did it”*, and then having this little nugget in mind have the jury turn to assessing Lehrmann’s credibility.

* I am also here assuming that the academic report would be very deliberately slanted toward ‘believe all women’ because it will have been written by an academic.

C.L.
C.L.
October 27, 2022 10:41 am

I wonder what the “material” was and how it was delivered and by whom.

Feminist talking points:

ABC:

The court heard the paper related to the “unhelpfulness of trying to quantify” how often false rape accusations were made.

Lehrmann will now be tried AGAIN in February. He will in fact be tried until he is found guilty.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:41 am

An academic paper on sexual assault which did not form part of the evidence, whether it was being used to influence people to a guilty verdict or a not guilty verdict, it had no place in the jury room.

Of course it didn’t. It’s just another attempt to muddy already opaque waters.

No one is coming out of this smelling of roses.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 27, 2022 10:43 am

Juror X: Heronner won’t take no for an answer. We’ll be here for the rest of our lives.
Juror Z: I have a cunning plan.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 10:43 am

Inside the unheard battle to delay the Bruce Lehrmann rape trial

Details of how an unheard battle was fought in an attempt to permanently delay Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial have been revealed.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/how-scott-morrison-nearly-derailed-bruce-lehrmann-rape-trial/news-story/181cbb8ae68740bc89eb94ebca18014f

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 10:44 am

Actually that makes sense. Too easy to start basing judgement on the contents of the report and not on the facts of the case.

Yes, the jury must deliberate on the evidence presented at trial, not extraneous information.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 10:44 am

I would expect a retrial because misbehaviour on the part of the jury should not deny Brittany justice or the acquittal of Lehrmann since he will ever afterward tarred with the accusation otherwise.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 27, 2022 10:44 am

I wonder whether the title and argument of that academic report will be accidently leaked.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 10:45 am

“He will in fact be tried until he is found guilty.”

The Pell template.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:48 am

Never ever used QR App – always said at Hospital, Restaurants whatever – give me a pen or pencil

Yep, I did that too mainly.

It gave me great sport with a Karen at the pharmacy counter – she demanded I QR – I asked for paper – she gave me the usual public view multi sig sheet – I said it wasn’t compliant as it didnt ‘reasonably protect from access by unauthorised persons – she gave me a new sheet – I put a false name – she checked my name against the script as I exited and challenged me about the difference – I asked her if she was an ‘authorised person’ under the emergency act – she didnt know what that meant – I said I was shocked, therefore, that she was admitting to accessing the checking data without proper authority which was a serious crime – she said she would call the police – I said it wasnt necessary as I didnt intend to report her crime – she changed tack and called me a ‘horrible person’ …. at which point, realising I was bested, I left.

🙂

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 10:50 am

The stalemate was never going to be broken. The “believe all women” group against the “evidence only” adherents.

Handy that the court officer found that document.

They’ll have to curate the next jury far more carefully.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 10:51 am

From ‘Blazing Catfur’ https://blazingcatfur.ca/

A Canadian soldier who has publicly spoken out against the forced removal of hundreds of unvaccinated Armed Forces members is facing more charges.
Warrant Officer James Topp is now facing six counts of conduct to the prejudice of good order and discipline after the army reservist’s commanders laid four new charges against him last week.

Nice to know I wasn’t alone.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 10:51 am

In other words, the West is now genetically distinct from the rest of the world. Yes?
So can a virus be created that targets that genetic distinction?

Yes that was the aim. The west made stuff based on the structure the Chunks gave.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 10:54 am

* interestingly, expressing spike proteins on the surface of these lining cells also predisposes to clot formation and strokes!

So if you are a smoker, already worried about your heart health and got clotshotted you are basically fucked.

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 10:54 am

$160 mil jackpot.
That sum is definitely approaching FU money even in the thugs and fools economy.

Tom
Tom
October 27, 2022 10:54 am

Lehrmann will now be tried AGAIN in February. He will in fact be tried until he is found guilty.

Correct.

Thanks, CL.

And, in the folder marked “Pell and similar cases”, Justice Lucy McCallum becomes a trivia question about miscarriages of justice.

C.L.
C.L.
October 27, 2022 10:55 am

The new ‘trial’ begins on 20 February.

Chief Justice McCallum closed the hearing with a warning to the media in the room, saying Mr Lehrmann was merely accused of a crime and might never be convicted.

“The fairness of his trial may be impaired if people continue to report on this case with this frequency,” she said.

“I would expect that, after reporting the outcome of the trial today, that reporting of this matter should fall silent, so that the accused should have a fair trial, and so that Ms Higgins should have some respite from the intense glare of the media that has been pervasive throughout this trial.”

Still pushing that “fair trial” horse – the one that bolted and died on the plains a year ago.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 10:57 am

Lehrmann will now be tried AGAIN in February.

The book won’t be out by Christmas then.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:00 am

The book won’t be out by Christmas then.

Hmmm. Suits The Pirate. Draw your own conclusions.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:03 am

The stalemate was never going to be broken. The “believe all women” group against the “evidence only” adherents.

Yep. It’s an issue.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:04 am

It would help if the DPP would do its job.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 11:07 am

The spike protein was made not from samples but from printed code the Chinese supplied.

Yes I believe that is the case – the initial WUHAN genetic code was never actually isolated

Therefore, the version that has been forcibly injected into the rest of the world may, or may not, have a distinct genetic marker in it.

They certainly wanted that WUHAN code in you, come what may, and continue to do so to this day, long after it became extinct.

In other words, the West is now genetically distinct from the rest of the world. Yes?
So can a virus be created that targets that genetic distinction?

There have certainly been reports that the mRNA can get incorporated into your DNA, or at least that it persists for a long time. I do not have the knowledge base to assess the veracity of this.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:09 am

Rogersays:

October 27, 2022 at 9:46 am

I see Rishi Sunak’s WEF puppet credentials have taken a hit overnight with the appointment of staunch nationalists Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch to his inner cabinet.

They are WEF sleeper agents, you sheeples!

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 11:09 am

“and so that Ms Higgins should have some respite from the intense glare of the media that has been pervasive throughout this trial.””

Oh my God, I’ve just gotten up after falling off my chair laughing.

This is the same Ms Higgins who purposely gave her story to the amphibian from Mosman, deliberately thrusting herself into the “intense glare of the media”?

This is the same Ms Higgins who had a book deal lined up with the amphibian’s husband, thus deliberately thrusting herself further into the “intense glare of the media”?

This is the same Ms Higgins who’s spruiked her lies for almost two years, from day one “deliberately thrusting herself into the “intense glare of the media”?

This is the same Ms Higgins who appeared at the National Press Club earlier this year with little Gracie from Tassie, thus deliberately thrusting herself into the “intense glare of the media”.

This is the same Ms Higgins who that unlamented and disgraceful ex-PM apologised to in parliament earlier this year, with Higgins merrily playing the victim, once again deliberately thrusting herself into the “intense glare of the media”.

Words fail me, but I shouldn’t be surprised, this is a female who goes out without wearing knickers.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 11:10 am

J.C.

They’ve confiscated my bread knives. I need some iodine to calm the fuck down.

You know you can buy bread already sliced?
Just letting you know – ain’t technology grand?

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 11:11 am

Hmmm. Suits The Pirate.

Is there any event or person in Australian history he hasn’t plundered for one of his door stoppers?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:12 am

Brittany does love the limelight. Panties or no panties.

m0nty
October 27, 2022 11:13 am

What a bloody shemozzle. It is hard to see any rape convictions happening in the Australian system post-Pell, unless forensics have them bang to rights.

mem
mem
October 27, 2022 11:13 am

“The court heard the paper related to the “unhelpfulness of trying to quantify” how often false rape accusations were made.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-27/jury-discharged-in-trial-of-bruce-lehrmann-brittany-higgins/101583486

Lysander
Lysander
October 27, 2022 11:13 am

I don’t want to go into full-on St Ruth territory here (“FUCK YOU FOR GETTING VAX’D”) but I wonder if said information in Higgins trial was linked to any media organisation or collusion with any journo?

Gabor
Gabor
October 27, 2022 11:14 am

calli says:
October 27, 2022 at 10:37 am

The court heard this prohibited research was uncovered when one of the court officers, who was cleaning the jury room, accidentally bumped one of the juror’s folders onto the floor.

When the officer picked up the folder, which had a clear plastic front, he noticed part of a title of an academic research paper into sexual assault sticking out of the folder

Bullsh*t on stilts.

If anyone believes that the court officer “accidentally” did anything, they are a complete fool. That the jurdge expects us to swallow it tells us all we need to know.

Exactly my reaction, “accidentally bumped one of the juror’s folders onto the floor.
When the officer picked up the folder, which had a clear plastic front, he noticed part of a title of an academic research paper into sexual assault sticking out of the folder”

just come on, how plausible is that?

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 11:14 am

They are WEF sleeper agents, you sheeples!

Ah…that must be why he put them in such key posts – Home Secretary and Int’l Trade Secretary.

Diabolical!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 11:15 am

“It has come to my attention that contrary to directions I’ve given you have undertaken research into the case,” Justice McCallum said.

No, just the wrong kind of research.
If so important, why aren’t they going through all jurors notes at the end of each day?

McCallum has ensured themselves a rails run for an Australia day honour.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 11:16 am

Better to be safe than sorry.

U.S. speeds up plans to store upgraded nukes in Europe

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/26/u-s-plans-upgraded-nukes-europe-00063675

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:17 am
Buccaneer
Buccaneer
October 27, 2022 11:18 am

“The juror in question this morning gave an explanation, suggesting the document had not been used or relied upon by any juror,” Chief Justice McCallum said.

She said under the circumstances that claim was regarded with some scepticism, which is why the decision was made to discharge the jury.

It appears the skepticism didn’t extend to charging the juror with contempt or asking for an investigation as to whether this information was supplied by an outside source. Given the $325k large in stake for the accuser alone and obviously more on the line for publishers and pirate family, one might have expected a little more curiosity from judge and media.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:19 am

Rule of law a problem mUnty?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 11:19 am

Monty.

That’s the innocent Mr spell to you.
7-nil be his name

Rafiki
Rafiki
October 27, 2022 11:20 am

On the topic of academic approaches to sexual offence trials, here is a little story.
It’s many years ago now that a conference of academics, attended also by a retired judge, considered the question of crime victims interests. The assumption was if course that these interests were to be assessed post-conviction. Some, and in particular the judge, were startled when an academic launched into a diatribe about how victims embraced complainants of rape and needed to be better protected on the trial. Only the judge made a mild query.
The academic’s view has however become widely accepted. Indeed, an ACT law refers to a complainant as a “victim”.
As I write, I hear Higgins making a speech outside the court which seems clearly to be in contempt of court.
What chance of a prosecution?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 11:20 am

Pell, thanks spellwrecker you are my only fiend

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 11:20 am

Some Good News but could be better – Facebook in freefall as third quarter profits halve and share price plummets

The share price of Facebook parent company Meta is plummeting after it announced some disastrous financial results.

Meta shares plunged 19.1 per cent to US$105 in aftermarket trades, the price less than a third of what it was at the start of this year.

JMH
JMH
October 27, 2022 11:21 am

Is it possible the February trial could be moved out of the ACT? Surely, potential ACT jurors will not be ‘without prejudice’?

m0nty
October 27, 2022 11:23 am

Rule of law is not a problem, but the law is an ass if it effectively prevents rape convictions without open-and-shut forensic evidence.

This stooge who brought in “research” about false rape allegations can get in the sea. What a waste of everyone’s time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 27, 2022 11:24 am

Apropos Kerri Lake, I just saw a poll that has her +11 for AZ Gov.

Maricopa county will be roneoing off Dem vote ballots furiously. The fix is in.

NEW NUMBERS RELEASED FROM PENNSYLVANIA Indicate MASSIVE BALLOT FRAUD – 255,000
UNVERIFIED NEW VOTERS SENT BALLOTS
(26 Oct)

This will be happening everywhere. Don’t be surprised if the imbecile is elected in Pennsylvania.?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 27, 2022 11:26 am

Duk on the giving of a false name, an old friend now departed always gave his name to the coppers as James O Brian. The O being for Oliver. He was always in some stoush at the pub being a fiery Scouser.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 11:27 am

So, now the ACT DPP knows what evidence is likely to be presented if they try the poor bastard again, do they take another bite of the cherry? I say they don’t. Unless it’s a bench trial and they know who’s going to be on the bench.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:28 am

H B Bearsays:

October 27, 2022 at 10:40 am

You wonder if a juror had had enough and saw a way out?

Or perhaps a staunch Britnah supporter who couldn’t swing a high number of “Not Guilty” votes.
If it is a hung jury, there is a chance that the DPP might put the cue in the rack.
If, however, it is an aborted trial due to inappropriate behaviour by a juror, the DPP almost has no choice but to re-run it.
Will the offending juror cop a whack?
I think not.
What if the paper in question was on “Unreliability of Drunken Memory in Chicks”?
Would the juror get off with a gentle warning? I doubt it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:28 am

JMH – it all depends on what legislative powers the Court has. The was a WA Supreme Court trial for murder held by NT judge sitting alone. Different jurisdiction. But whatever question marks existed over this trial they are now doubled. You could expect another application for a permanent stay.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 11:29 am

Rule of law is not a problem, but the law is an ass if it effectively prevents rape convictions without open-and-shut forensic evidence.

Dance, monkey, dance.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 27, 2022 11:31 am

Off topic, but anyone familiar with 1066 and All That might like to give this a view.

It has similar style of humour with mangled facts and names being strung together but done in the style of those British programs where they travel to historical sights. It also includes brief interviews with true historians – even Neil Oliver.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 11:31 am

As I write, I hear Higgins making a speech outside the court which seems clearly to be in contempt of court.

Good heavens!

And so much for “respite from the glare of the media.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:32 am

Rule of law is not a problem, but the law is an ass if it effectively prevents rape convictions without open-and-shut forensic evidence.

It doesn’t and never has. Stick to fantasy football.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 11:33 am

Y’know, I really wonder how that “research paper” came to found where it was? Who benefits from this.

C.L.
C.L.
October 27, 2022 11:33 am

Words fail me, but I shouldn’t be surprised, this is a female who goes out without wearing knickers.

Brutal gold.

JMH
JMH
October 27, 2022 11:34 am

H B Bearsays:
October 27, 2022 at 11:28 am

JMH – it all depends on what legislative powers the Court has. The was a WA Supreme Court trial for murder held by NT judge sitting alone. Different jurisdiction. But whatever question marks existed over this trial they are now doubled. You could expect another application for a permanent stay.

Thanks, Bear. Over to Lehrmann’s lawyers, I guess. There is no way, in my opinion, he will receive a fair repeat performance in the ACT.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:35 am

H B Bearsays:

October 27, 2022 at 11:17 am

If you like gardening and thinking of a tree change:
https://www.ppglobal.com.au/news/gardening-god-paul-bangay-lists-iconic-stonefields-australian-financial-review/

H B Bearsays:

October 27, 2022 at 11:17 am

If you like spending seven days a week clipping box hedges gardening.

Zipster
October 27, 2022 11:36 am

In other words, the West is now genetically distinct from the rest of the world. Yes?

they can absolutely do multi part attacks with a primer virus and a trigger virus.

Given that S1 is known to persist for years in your blood stream its not just likely its highly probable.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:39 am

Sancho – fair to say you would get a man (men?) in for that. When I joined NAB I learned Nobby Clarke pruned his own roses.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
October 27, 2022 11:40 am

It’s a fair bet, that court officers overheard conversations about said research, and did some digging. I’d like to know the actual timing of that, unlikely we ever will though unless a juror fesses up. If they know what’s good for them they will stay mum, every single one of them had a responsibility to bring this to the judges attention once it was introduced.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 11:40 am

Winston

Because that’s the problem with abuse against children – the abusers never realise that the children will grow up into enraged adults. Just because the system has discarded you, doesn’t mean the discarded have forgotten how they were treated.

Yet the rabid leftards who can trace trauma 50 years later to seeing an adult “flash” in a park, refuse, absolutely, to consider the possibility that children who have been chemically and surgically mutilated will have future trauma, and seek revenge, not always by lawfare? Idiots, but by definition, since they are leftards.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 11:41 am

I would expect that, after reporting the outcome of the trial today, that reporting of this matter should fall silent, so that the accused should have a fair trial, and so that Ms Higgins should have some respite from the intense glare of the media that has been pervasive throughout this trial

She’s “Ms Higgins”, he’s “the accused”. The judge has depersonalised him but not her.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 11:42 am

C.L.says:
October 27, 2022 at 11:33 am
Words fail me, but I shouldn’t be surprised, this is a female who goes out without wearing knickers.

Brutal gold.

No Knickers Brittany (I was Too Blotto to Remember) Higgins is a tad upset

Extraordinary moment Brittany Higgins lashes out at her accused rapist and breaks down in tears as trial is sensationally ABANDONED after juror took ‘research’ into courtroomhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11358895/Brittany-Higgins-appears-court-trial-Bruce-Lehrmann.html

. Jury has been discharged in rape trial of Bruce Lehrmann without a verdict
. Chief Justice dismissed the 12 jurors shortly after 10am on Thursday morning
. A juror brought an academic research paper about sexual assault into jury room
. Justice McCallum said she had no other option but to discharge remaining jurors
. Brittany Higgins cried as she launched scathing attack on the justice system

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 11:43 am

The academic’s view has however become widely accepted. Indeed, an ACT law refers to a complainant as a “victim”.

Indeed, my ACT arrest included the police allegations being referred to as the ‘fact sheet’ and me being called ‘the offender’.

The law and the police have long since stopped being servants of the people, they are the enforcers for the government.

Trial next month btw

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:44 am

So, someone brought material to the jury room?
Testing my memory here, but my experience (in Victoria) was that it was verboten to bring anything into or take anything out of the jury room.
Should that not be the case?
Jurors should get a transcript of the evidence, and materials to take notes etc, but nothing goes in or out?
It seems to me that someone has raised Britnah’s record of lying and there has been a bit of “trusted sources on the innernet” work done to counter that.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 11:45 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
October 27, 2022 at 11:24 am
Apropos Kerri Lake, I just saw a poll that has her +11 for AZ Gov.

Maricopa county will be roneoing off Dem vote ballots furiously. The fix is in.

NEW NUMBERS RELEASED FROM PENNSYLVANIA Indicate MASSIVE BALLOT FRAUD – 255,000
UNVERIFIED NEW VOTERS SENT BALLOTS (26 Oct)

This will be happening everywhere. Don’t be surprised if the imbecile is elected in Pennsylvania.?

It’ what I’ve been saying. The mid-terms are gone. The only resolution now is a non ballot one. The point is there are some people who will vote for the likes of fetterman, hobbs and the rest of the demorat scum; but do you want the fate of the US and the West to turn on these idiots. Regardless the fraud will be so widespread and so obvious and so hidden by the media that any result which doesn’t see OZ and Kari elected is grotesque and utterly destructive of democracy.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 11:45 am

Duk on the giving of a false name, an old friend now departed always gave his name to the coppers as James O Brian. The O being for Oliver. He was always in some stoush at the pub being a fiery Scouser

Sorry, I misspoke – being a Dr my written name was basically illegible, and my phone number – well, I’ve always been a bit dyslexic and so sometimes transpose numbers.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 11:46 am

Roger says:
October 27, 2022 at 11:31 am
As I write, I hear Higgins making a speech outside the court which seems clearly to be in contempt of court.
Good heavens!

And so much for “respite from the glare of the media.”

Haven’t you worked it out yet?

There are two Brittneys.

One is the virginal, frightened, butter wouldn’t melt, leave me out of the spotlight, my life is ruined! Brittney. The other is the worldly, drunken, knickerless, puking, book writing, media hungry Brittney.

Doppelgängers or body doubles or multiple personalities? Take your pick.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:47 am

My own modest estate makes use of Buxus Microphylla var Japonica. It isn’t too bad if you don’t mind things getting a bit shaggy around the edges.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 11:48 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
October 27, 2022 at 10:21 am
The Oz is reporting….

““It has come to my attention that contrary to directions I’ve given you have undertaken research into the case,” Justice McCallum said.

“That information has made its way into the jury when it ought not to have.

To which (obviously non-juror) was she referring?

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 11:48 am

Brittany Higgins cried as she launched scathing attack on the justice system

Sorry to be repetitive, but…dance, monkey, dance.

It’s the unperson she’s accusing who’s the victim of the justice system. She’s benefiting from it. Richly.

dopey
dopey
October 27, 2022 11:48 am

Pretty clear monty still thinks Pell guilty. I wonder has he read Windschuttle, Brennan or Henderson.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 27, 2022 11:48 am

Viruses are old and busted, meet the new hotness:

New Disease X? WHO warns of ‘fungal threat’ to humanity (26 Oct)

Sounds like they’ve been eating too many exotic mushrooms.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 11:48 am

You could expect another application for a permanent stay.

I would think so, especially if Missy Higgins, team adds that she has been way too traumatised to go through it again.

C.L.
C.L.
October 27, 2022 11:49 am

Brittany Higgins uses her lady privilege to ignore contempt of court warning – as do the journalists who have dutifully reported her remarks:

An emotional Ms Higgins left court on Thursday morning to hoards of cameras and reporters and addressed reporters flanked by her lawyer and boyfriend.

She cried as she read her statement, and her hands visibly shook.

‘I chose to speak up. Speak up against rape, speak up against injustice, to speak up and share my experiences with others. I told the truth no matter how uncomfortable or unflattering to the court,’ she said.

‘Today’s outcome does not change that truth. What I did speak up, I never fully understood an call criminal justice system but I do now.

‘I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length. He was afforded the choice of staying silent in court, head down in a notebook, completely detached.’

‘He never faced one question in court about his story and the criminal charges.

‘I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos and my data to him. He was not required to produce his telephone, his passwords, messages, photos, or his data.

‘My life has been publicly scrutinised, open for the world to see. His was not.’

Her claim here that Lehrmann is a rapist is highly defamatory. She should be prosecuted.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:50 am

H B Bearsays:

October 27, 2022 at 11:39 am

Sancho – fair to say you would get a man (men?) in for that. When I joined NAB I learned Nobby Clarke pruned his own roses.

Bwah ha ha ha.
A potential “Chauncey Gardiner” moment.
I can imagine the blind panic on the exec floor when Nobby was overheard to say he was going to “cut back really hard this year”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 11:52 am

Yep. Stuff in the jury room is MOST unusual. What sort of rabble is the ACT town council running over there?

Zipster
October 27, 2022 11:53 am

the idea we only have 7.3% inflation is utter nonsense

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 11:53 am

‘I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos and my data to him. He was not required to produce his telephone, his passwords, messages, photos, or his data.

Britnah suddenly being schooled in the onus of proof.
Of course, she is spouting the #metoo mantra.
I should be believed!

local oaf
October 27, 2022 11:54 am

The Britnah trial will be repeated until the Liberal Party is convicted of having a “woman problem”.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 11:55 am

Odd that save brittany’s current squeeze is the spitting image, sans beard, of the accused.

The ACT DPP can retrial this.

Since save brittany has attacked the accused for being calm and indifferent during the hearings perhaps it’s time for him to exhibit some save brittany like hysterics. Perhaps he can wear a T-shirt with a few names on it: like

Geoffrey Rush
John Jarratt
Craig McLachlan
Michael Diamond
Peter Blackmore
Jarryd Hayne

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 11:55 am

Brittany Higgins uses her lady privilege to ignore contempt of court warning

To be fair, I would have to confess to a certain degree of contempt for courts myself.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 11:57 am

Lysander:

but he’s extremely smart with “how things work” – he’s just not “book smart”

I did a year of apprentice brickie, and the one thing I noticed was that a good brickies labourer got the same money as the brickies.
Why?
Because when a BL can keep four or five brickies working all day, he’s worth it.
Calli, that’s the sort of work he needs to be looking at – hands on, the ability to do the job efficiently and effectively, and he’ll make damn good money.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 11:57 am

‘I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length. He was afforded the choice of staying silent in court, head down in a notebook, completely detached.’

‘He never faced one question in court about his story and the criminal charges.

No. He gave a very lengthy statement to the police which they then checked as far as they were able. He relied on this in court, as is his right.

‘I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos and my data to him. He was not required to produce his telephone, his passwords, messages, photos, or his data.

Correct. You are the accuser. You have to back up your accusation with…evidence.

‘My life has been publicly scrutinised, open for the world to see. His was not.’

Let’s break this down, shall we? You made the accusation, you put your life in the hands of a media-hungry North Shore she-wolf, you gave multiple interviews and you were publicly apologised to by the PM in Parliament. Unfortunately not all scrutiny is favourable scrutiny.

His was not. So risible it isn’t worth commenting on.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 27, 2022 11:57 am

Maybe Higgins has decided to cut and run.

Does her rant outside the court come close to contempt?

Does it imperil a new trial?

Maybe “the books” and the “grrls” talk circuit suggest a better – and more lucrative – way ahead?

cohenite
October 27, 2022 11:58 am

Her claim here that Lehrmann is a rapist is highly defamatory. She should be prosecuted.

That’s interesting. A defamation claim would normally proceed on a civil standard of proof where evidence insufficient to convict the accused criminally may catch him on the lessor standard. However, since it could be a criminal defamation claim he may be safe under the higher criminal standard.

mem
mem
October 27, 2022 11:59 am

This the first day that Higgins had attended the court. Both she and her boyfriend very smartly dressed. He in a red tie. She had prepared statement for media. I wonder if they anticipated the television interview afterwards?

Tom
Tom
October 27, 2022 12:00 pm

Her claim here that Lehrmann is a rapist is highly defamatory. She should be prosecuted.

If Lehrmann’s lawyers are on the job, they should have a defamation writ served on Higgins by 10am tomorrow.

Zipster
October 27, 2022 12:02 pm

mutley can’t help white knighting, its the only way he thinks he can get a root

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
October 27, 2022 12:03 pm

She went to the media and even negotiated a book deal before she went to the police, she then delayed handing over the evidence by months. Even then, she couldn’t cast herself as the innocent victim. Give it up

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 12:04 pm

I chose to speak up. Speak up against rape, speak up against injustice, to speak up and share my experiences with others.

You woke up naked, surrounded by chunder, and you didn’t remember anything….

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 12:05 pm

‘I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length.

Lying cow. No, you were not required to testify. You could have told the DPP to pound sand. However, you weren’t going to do that because the prosecution doesn’t have a case without your witness testimony.

He was afforded the choice of staying silent in court, head down in a notebook, completely detached. He never faced one question in court about his story and the criminal charges.

It’s not fair! I say we make it a criminal offence for an accused to mount the strongest case they possibly can.

‘I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos and my data to him. He was not required to produce his telephone, his passwords, messages, photos, or his data.

Yeah, discovery’s a bitch, hey. No one would know what a bullshit artist Higgins is if it weren’t for that. I say we ban that, too.

Incidentally, in what way was he not required to hand over his phone, passwords etc? I’ll bet he wasn’t required to because he simply provided them upon request. It wouldn’t have been hard for the cops to get a warrant to obtain this stuff if he refused to hand them over and they thought there was any merit in doing so.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 12:05 pm

Howie Carr: It’s buyer’s remorse over Joe Biden

If you want to watch a low-info Democrat voter’s head explode, just ask them this one simple question:

“Who did you vote for in 2020?”

It’s been a long time since anybody, even those with full-blown cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome, puffed out their chests and proudly proclaimed: “I’m with Brandon!”

At this point, however, buyers’ remorse is sweeping even the deepest blue bastions of the trust-funded and the non-working classes. Even Democrat operatives with press passes are find it ever more difficult to sputter out even the lamest defenses of Dementia Joe Biden. Which is why they cringe when you pose the question to them:

“Who did you vote for in 2020?”

It’s my go-to question now in certain social situations, at least if I want to end a conversation instantly. Last week, I was doing a radio hit with one of my affiliates, and I asked the 90-year-old host whom he had voted for.

“You’ve asked me that before!” he muttered. “I don’t have to answer that! This isn’t Nazi Germany!”

Nazi Germany? I asked him who he voted for, and suddenly I’m not even a fascist, or a semi-fascist (as Brandon described Americans last month). I’m a Nazi.

This is how desperate they’ve become with less than two weeks before the mid-term elections.

The Democrats are becoming more and more unhinged.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 12:07 pm

Blockquote fail. Let’s try that first part again, as I think it’s the most damning statement she made:

‘I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length.

Lying cow. No, you were not required to testify. You could have told the DPP to pound sand. However, you weren’t going to do that because the prosecution doesn’t have a case without your witness testimony.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 12:08 pm

“The juror in question this morning gave an explanation, suggesting the document had not been used or relied upon by any juror,” Chief Justice McCallum said.

So, it was a juror, who had the document in their folder, but that juror had not “used” the document.

Perhaps it was needed because of a shortage of toilet paper in the jurors’ toilet?

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 27, 2022 12:10 pm

‘I was required to tell the truth under oath for over a week in the witness stand, I was cross-examined at length. He was afforded the choice of staying silent in court, head down in a notebook, completely detached.’
‘He never faced one question in court about his story and the criminal charges.
‘I was required to surrender my telephones, my passwords, messages, photos and my data to him. He was not required to produce his telephone, his passwords, messages, photos, or his data.
‘My life has been publicly scrutinised, open for the world to see. His was not.’

You’re the one who made the complaint, ya dopey bint.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 27, 2022 12:11 pm

This “beyond a reasonable doubt” thing is way too stringent.
Let’s replace it with “on the balance of probability based on previous case studies”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 12:11 pm

m0ntysays:
October 27, 2022 at 11:23 am
Rule of law is not a problem, but the law is an ass if it effectively prevents rape convictions without open-and-shut forensic evidence.

Apart from a dozen actual witnesses, or a video of the incident, exactly what non-forensic evidence would satisfy you, m0nty-fa?

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 12:12 pm

If nobody is in jail for contempt, it is a lie.
Attempted influence is a rusty key offence.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 12:14 pm

Actually, what Brittany the Knickerless is really saying is….

1. She should be believed.
2. There should not be any trial.
3. Lehmann is guilty because SHE SAYS SO.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 12:15 pm

“That information has made its way into the jury when it ought not to have.”

Juror didn’t like the direction the verdict was heading so decided to throw a spanner in?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 12:17 pm

dopeysays:
October 27, 2022 at 11:48 am
Pretty clear monty still thinks Pell guilty. I wonder has he read Windschuttle, Brennan or Henderson.

m0nty-fa reads only material approved by the fascist left.

Oh come on
Oh come on
October 27, 2022 12:17 pm

Her claim here that Lehrmann is a rapist is highly defamatory. She should be prosecuted.

After what this trial has cost him, could he afford it? It’d easily be a six figure sum to take to trial. And even if he wins, he loses because even if she loses, she wins. She will turn it into another publicity stunt that she can grift off of and get those sympathy dollars.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 12:19 pm

exactly what non-forensic evidence would satisfy you, m0nty-fa?

Munty’s standard of evidence banks on the infrequency with which fat Ranga dwarfs are accused of rape.

rosie
rosie
October 27, 2022 12:25 pm

“This sounds a lot like the recent series, The Twelve. Material made its way into the jury room designed to impact the deliberations.”
If it wasn’t intended to influence, it would have been left at home.
My bet is now extended to #believeallwomeners putting pressure on the evidence presented I have reasonable doubt the alleged offence occureders.
Ie those that thought the accused’s version of events was plausible and the accuser may have misremembered.

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