Open Thread – Weekend 12 Nov 2022


The Mansard Roof, Edward Hopper, 1923


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johanna
johanna
November 13, 2022 5:05 pm

shatterzzz says:
November 13, 2022 at 4:36 pm

I don’t judge him on his past as a drug mule. That was over thirty years ago. Coutts-Trotter went to prison, he did his time
I do! .. NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE! .. no he didn’t do his time .. 9 years but somehow out in 3 ..

Never forget, never forgive – so what do you think he should have done for the rest of his life? A Maoist solution like working in the fields, by force, till he dropped?

calli
calli
November 13, 2022 5:06 pm

try turfing a few packets of store bought seed in the garden

Beware of triffids!

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 5:10 pm

Well I think if a regular BA Dip Ed with a conviction for importing drugs applied to teach in NSW, he/she would be told to take a hike.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2022 5:11 pm

What Really Happened in the Midterms and Why

By every account, this was a strange election. Having had some time to think about it, I have determined the best explanation for November 8 is that this midterm election was intended to turn out pretty much the way it did.

Who intended it? The Republican establishment. Why? To get rid of Trump.

How did they do this, and where is the proof? It wasn’t too hard, and the proof is all around us.

This was a midterm election, so there are no real consequences beyond the control of Congress. This means that if you can control one house, even by a slim margin, you can stall the agenda of the other side. How large a majority you have is secondary and, in the long view, not that meaningful.

The establishment Republicans were willing to settle for less than expected numbers in the House to eradicate what they see as by far their biggest problem. This was their chance to bury Trump and avoid a great deal of damaging unpleasantness at very low to no real cost.

It makes sense. The Democrats funded the Trump senatorial candidates in the primaries because they thought they could make them lose. The Republicans seemed to think that might be a good idea. If necessary, they could help those candidates lose, which could seriously weaken Trump but still leave them with sufficient winners.

The Dem-supported Trump candidates lost, as per their plan. I have heard some pundits say that this was a clever move on the part of the Democrats. Maybe so, but they had a lot of help. Those candidates lost because if they had won, Trump would be almost assured of the presidency in 2024. Look at the contortions Mitch McConnell went through to keep Murkowski and deny the Trump candidate in Alaska. Check out where the Republican House money went when the chips were down. New Hampshire was denied funding just as Bolduc was surging. See here, here, here.

Immediately upon the polls closing, the Republican Establishment gushed over Ron DeSantis. He was all over TV. The very next day, Fox News (with dedicated anti-Trumper Paul Ryan on its Board) ran the headline “Ron DeSantis is the future of Trumpism.”

The Republicans, admittedly dreadfully incompetent at messaging, outdid their own previous failures in this election — on purpose. National ads acknowledging the accomplishments of Trump on the economy, immigration, inflation, crime, or any of the other major issues on the table for this election were nonexistent.

Ronald Reagan made one of the most impressive marks on an election in the last 50 years when he asked a simple question: “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”

The Republicans needed only one chart with two columns — one for Trump, one for Biden — listing gas prices, food prices, general inflation rates, murders, education proficiency rates, and half a dozen more items with the comparable figures. Displaying that chart on 30-second ads in every market every day would have left the Democrats begging for mercy with minimal voter turnout. Did Republicans, do it? No. Why not? The Trump name would have been mentioned. And this year, there were more than enough of those issues to slay an entire herd of dragons.

There were several House races with obvious “Biden bumps” in the vote tracking. A Biden bump is a sudden, straight-line, vertical rise in the normal arcing pattern of vote count over a number of hours. The Biden bump was clearly demonstrated on Election Night 2016 in several states, and it was clear last Tuesday. Check that out here.

Republicans are making no noise about this at all. They are contesting nothing vocally on the national level. They are taking no action whatsoever in the obvious stalling of the counts in Arizona and Nevada. The Republicans are quiet because the establishment accomplished what it set out to do. There should be no question about this. Yes, Harmeet Dhillon and the troops are plugging a lot of holes at the local level, and that’s needed, but the overall national outcome was predetermined.

johanna
johanna
November 13, 2022 5:18 pm

I’ve had one or two suspicious looking Papavers come up out of a pack of poppy seeds.

Looked very much like the opium variety. Could well have been.

Thing is, it’s a bigger variant of extracting saffron from crocus flowers. You need a helluva lotta flowers, and then the extracts need to be processed.

They are beautiful flowers, stick to that IMHO.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2022 5:21 pm

In politics, things are not ever as they appear to be, and politicians will never fail to act in their own self-interest, whatever the stakes.

(For all of you mystery fans, there are also motive, means, and opportunity.)

The Republican Party used their huge polling advantage and the favorable winds granted by the unspeakably incompetent Biden administration to target their own losses in a manner that will ensure the embarrassment of Trump and ascendancy of DeSantis, all in one fell swoop. This week, the Republican establishment will likely be dangling a few vivid alternatives in front of Trump as he retires to Mar-a-Largo before his scheduled announcement. His choices will be presented in the starkest of terms.

Deals are made all the time in this game, and this election has no other explanation that makes sense. “Interesting times” is the understatement of the year, and we likely could be in for a pretty interesting couple of months.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 5:24 pm

FMD. Old mate has shown up, my ear has been ringing from non stop, incessant babble about the vagaries of climate change, his changing of his own history regarding footy (was never any good but apparently played interleague). Love the bloke because we grew up together but such are the whims of life

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 13, 2022 5:25 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 5:25 pm

Thing is, it’s a bigger variant

And if you climb it you’ll find a giant at the top?
Or maybe you could call it Audrey.
The 2nd is harder to get.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 5:28 pm

Is there a word for going to a movie or having a meal together, now that ‘dating’ has been expropriated?
Dating.
It’s very twee.
However, what’s good for the goose is sauce for the gander:
I suggest “rooting” be substituted now that dating has gone Woke.
Yeah, it might take a while to catch on …

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 5:28 pm

Leading up to Sam Bankman-Fried’s spectacular implosion – in which his firm FTX evaporated billions in wealth after the now-bankrupt cryptocurrency exchange allegedly commingled client assets with his trading firm into a liquidity crunch – he became the sixth-largest donor in this year’s midterm election cycle, giving some $40 million to mostly Democratic candidates and causes.

Is anyone surprised that a corrupt businessman donated millions in protection money to the corrupt DemonRats?

Other than m0nty-fa, of course.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 5:32 pm

Razeysays:
November 13, 2022 at 11:25 am
If anyone’s a doctor’s wife here, it’s mUnter himself.

His wife is his right hand.

I thought his right hand was his wife.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 5:35 pm

iirc, Evatt put someone in jail in the 40s because he didn’t like him.
Inky Stevenson, top bloke, by most accounts.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

johanna says: November 13, 2022 at 5:05 pm
shatterzzz says: November 13, 2022 at 4:36 pm
I don’t judge him on his past as a drug mule. That was over thirty years ago. Coutts-Trotter went to prison, he did his time
I do! .. NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE! .. no he didn’t do his time .. 9 years but somehow out in 3 ..
Never forget, never forgive – so what do you think he should have done for the rest of his life? A Maoist solution like working in the fields, by force, till he dropped?

Sentence him under Singaporean criminal penalties – problem solved.

johanna
johanna
November 13, 2022 5:38 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
November 13, 2022 at 5:25 pm

Thing is, it’s a bigger variant

And if you climb it you’ll find a giant at the top?
Or maybe you could call it Audrey.
The 2nd is harder to get.

Huh?

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 5:41 pm

Beware of triffids!

Five Leaf Akebia

.. grumble

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 13, 2022 5:42 pm

they are all utterly exhausted. They are workers, hard workers. Long hours, conscientious

Ditto observations at my family lunch function today.
It’s not mere coincidence.
Good people with clear goals and a sense of responsibility getting weighed down by the slack of others.
I pray that the good ones get well rewarded for their efforts.

PS going by the tales of woe from several industries today re lack of staff and a shortage of good staff, it’s making this old retiree think about going back to part time work where all I have to bring to the job is enthusiasm, punctuality, superior customer service and a decent work ethic.
Can’t be too hard.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 5:44 pm

Johanna – read fairy tales and watch musicals. 😀

(I admit I’m also riffing off wot Calli said.)

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 5:44 pm

Thanks for posting OldOzzie- uniparty in action.

Mater
November 13, 2022 5:46 pm

iirc, Evatt put someone in jail in the 40s because he didn’t like him.

Inky Stevenson, top bloke, by most accounts.

And there’s another one:

Percy Reginald Stephensen (20 November 1901 – 28 May 1965) was an Australian writer, publisher and political activist, first aligned with communism and later shifting support towards far-right politics. He was the co-founder of the fascist Australia First Movement, alongside businessman William Miles, and he was the author of The Foundations of Culture in Australia.

Jumps from hard left politics, to ‘far-right’ fascism. Just like Mussolini, Quisling, Goebbels, et al.

Amazing how often this overnight, 180 degree political turn happened in history. Could it be that perhaps fascism is not ACTUALLY right wing politics, and that their political shift wasn’t a quantum leap, just a shift by degrees?

The incuriosity around this reoccurring phenomenon is, well…phenomenal.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 5:47 pm

Looks like Nigel Farage is ramping up the Reform Party- same uniparty problem in the yookay.

Uniparty = the political class

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 5:50 pm

Cassie I must say you are mostly correct with Coutts Trotter, or whatever his name is. Will have reformed people in society come back and be productive over layabouts any day of the week.
But as you reported back from the conservative forum not long ago, the Right wonders why they lose.
In my mind, if O’Farrell can lose his job over a bottle of wine, and the party cannot get behind him, yet Andrews here in Victoriastan can ride roughshod over anything he touches, conservatives are either not conservative or are in name only.
Any right minded individual working on Guy’s election campaign would point out the gross inadequacies of this putrid government, from police stupidity, Red Shirts, fire union, covid quarantine fuckwittery, etc etc etc.
The ‘conservatives’never get down and dirty. They think they are above petty politics. Stupid khunts, this is why you lose.

mem
mem
November 13, 2022 5:52 pm

OT. But does anyone here know about using a carborundum stone to sharpen kitchen knives. I bought one at the weekend at a market. I remember my Dad using such a stone to sharpen knives before slaughtering a beast on the family farm. He used to spit on it and then run the knife on it (this is the bit I forget as can’t remember which way on either side) then clean the knife on a soft cloth and test it by cutting off hairs on the back of his arm. If he didn’t cut the hairs he would run it again.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 5:54 pm

It’s not like Coutts Trotter sat for the clerks’ exam and got offered a clerical position in the DofE.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 5:54 pm

I pray that the good ones get well rewarded for their efforts.

Nope. Everyone gets a prize.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Stephen Williams says:
November 13, 2022 at 9:27 am
I never wear any jewellery, watches nothing like that

Give that man a medal – oh, wait

Mater
November 13, 2022 6:03 pm

Jumps from hard left politics, to ‘far-right’ fascism. Just like Mussolini, Quisling, Goebbels, et al.

Oswald Mosley, Fabian Socialist turned founder of the British Union of Fascists, is another for that list.

Cassie of Sydney
November 13, 2022 6:04 pm

All righty then, let’s start a petition for Coutts-Trotter to be rearrested and then he can be hung, drawn and quartered.

The only reason he draws ire here is because he’s married to Plibbers (and I’m not and have never been a fan of Plibbers). If Coutts-Trotter was married to a Coalition female MP, you’d all be saying “he’s done his time”….WHICH HE HAS.

Oh and Johanna above is right, like her or not, Plibbers is an attractive woman.

Cassie of Sydney
November 13, 2022 6:06 pm

“Jumps from hard left politics, to ‘far-right’ fascism”

Immediately after World War I, when Germany was in disarray, Hitler attended communist rallies. The trajectory of hard left politics to far-right fascism is a natural progression, although the “far-right fascism” has nothing to do with right-wing politics, it is actually “left-wing fascism”.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

If Coutts-Trotter was married to a Coalition female MP, you’d all be saying “he’s done his time”…..

Can’t speak for anybody else, but I’m not so quick to overlook heroin dealing.

Plibbers is an attractive woman

Was.

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 6:11 pm

anyone here know about using a carborundum stone to sharpen kitchen knives

soak your stone in water for 15 minutes
the angle is your friend
15 to 20 degrees

https://www.mediocrechef.com/blog/how-to-sharpen-kitchen-knives

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:12 pm

As I said, I though a criminal conviction precluded employment in the NSW PS. It doesn’t necessarily preclude employment elsewhere.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 6:14 pm

All righty then, let’s start a petition for Coutts-Trotter to be rearrested and then he can be hung, drawn and quartered.

No. But like our old friend Martin Parkinson I’d be fine if he could have more time with his family.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:14 pm

Always wondered when the difference between a ‘police record’ and a ‘criminal record’ was too. Some employers are big on ‘police record’ checks.

Cassie of Sydney
November 13, 2022 6:15 pm

“Plibbers is an attractive woman

Was.”

Nope, still is. I saw her last year. She’s a good looking woman.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 13, 2022 6:15 pm

Back in 1940s Australia, thousands of people were imprisoned in internment camps because of who their parents were.

Yep, while their parents were “back home” slaughtering Allies – including Australians – the government of the day should have ignored those minor inconveniences and allowed society to move on as normal.
Have you ever thought that internment camps may have helped the inmates, by removing them from unchecked rage of the general public caused by war losses and death rolls?
I’m sure that returning Diggers would have been mightily pleased to see the very people they were trained to kill, freely enjoying the benefits of Australia.

Internment camps were a necessary reaction to war in foreign lands.
Just a reminder – not a war we started.

Bluey
Bluey
November 13, 2022 6:17 pm

Old School Conservativesays:
November 13, 2022 at 5:42 pm
they are all utterly exhausted. They are workers, hard workers. Long hours, conscientious

Ditto observations at my family lunch function today.
It’s not mere coincidence.
Good people with clear goals and a sense of responsibility getting weighed down by the slack of others.
I pray that the good ones get well rewarded for their efforts.

PS going by the tales of woe from several industries today re lack of staff and a shortage of good staff, it’s making this old retiree think about going back to part time work where all I have to bring to the job is enthusiasm, punctuality, superior customer service and a decent work ethic.
Can’t be too hard.

Why on earth would I bust my guts when an employer plays favorites as to who gets overtime and, in a very physical role, hires a girl who promptly gets injured on a good 15K/yr more?
Being a good employee is not rewarded in any way. Even with me putting in a retire in place performance I’m so far above most it’s not funny.

Now with a different employer who I actually got a thanks from for covering extra hours when someone was away. Not just grumbling about having to pay overtime.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 6:17 pm

Cassie I never called for that. You rightly point out hes done the time served.
This is we diverge. If Coutts Trotter were married to a Liberal woman, Labor would hound him out of any position and therefore unemployable. Like Lherman.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 6:18 pm

Plibbers is an attractive woman

Whitewashed sepulcher.

m0nty
November 13, 2022 6:20 pm

Bunch of threes sitting behind the shelter shed bitching about a nine, LOL.

Cassie of Sydney
November 13, 2022 6:21 pm

“This is we diverge. If Coutts Trotter were married to a Liberal woman, Labor would hound him out of any position and therefore unemployable. Like Lherman.”

I agree however I’m not talking about Labor, I’m talking various people here who obsess about him, and the only reason why is because he’s married to Labor’s Plibbers.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 13, 2022 6:21 pm

Now I start to see why the human race must end. we breath out 7% of the total CO2 produced.
So getting rid of people will help to fix global warming and make the planet habitable…………………………………… oh wait, for who?

Rabz
November 13, 2022 6:22 pm

It’s also because many voters might well have come to the conclusion Matt Kean is a f-wit

As well as being hideously uglee. The gliberals are so effed that they deserve to be consigned to the electoral wilderness for the remainder of their pointless existences, before unanimously and magnanimously deciding to dissolve what’s left of them in a vat of acid*.

Electoral triumphs like the one in WA and SA (especially the former) don’t just create themselves. It takes a very special sort of blockheaded staggering stupidity (or cunningly disguised opposition agents) to deliberately engineer such disasters.

I look at a simpering pathetic man boobed effeminate soy boy like kean and think WTF is he doing in the gliberals – oh, that’s right – he’s in the gliberals because the greenfilth realised he was too stupid to even be among their fat braindead cellulite laden ranks.

But yeah, democracy, Ozzies – when too much of it is barely enough. 😡

*No, not that sort

Zipster
November 13, 2022 6:25 pm

South Australia out of power to 80 000 homes due to Thunderstorms
Its renewable battery is flat after providing 2hrs of power to some homes.
It now needs 1000’s litres of filthy diesel fuel to recharge it.
Welcome to bowen’s Australia

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 6:28 pm

Farmer Gezsays:
November 13, 2022 at 3:13 pm
Be honest Munty.
There’s no way in hell you’d accept the US voting and counting system in Australia.

Whatever his many other failings, Numbers was strong on the issue of voter ID. Unlike the fascist monty-fa.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 6:30 pm

Plibbers is an attractive woman

As much as I hate to admit it, she was, several decades ago. Legs for days.

However, as calli has noticed, nowadays the new wondrous scowls and jowls be a self-righteously wobblin’ at every available opportunity …

This is not saleable to the electorate, gullible is it may be.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 6:31 pm

Riccardo Bosi is a bit nuts. But I like the way he speaks.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 13, 2022 6:31 pm

The only reason he draws ire here is because he’s married to Plibbers

Not so for me.
My ire is drawn because of the extremely favourable treatment Coutts Trotter was afforded by labor in NSW.
Firstly by getting a job with NSW treasurer Michael Egan, and later getting the top gig in NSW Education despite his drug conviction, under the watch of Morris Iemma.
Undoubtedly a high achiever in the public service and a testament to rehabilitation, but certainly has benefited from the labor network. He wouldn’t be where he is today without Tanya’s contacts.

calli
calli
November 13, 2022 6:31 pm

I don’t care what they look like. It’s what they want for me and my family that I care about.

I never called for C-T to be re-arrested. I’m not impressed about druggies, but I’m sure he is no longer one, nor would he ever want that for his own children who must, by now, be well and truly grown up.

My only comment was about high office and connections. Which he has. I can name a few others on both sides of the political divide, which appears to be getting more and more blurred over the years.

calli
calli
November 13, 2022 6:32 pm

And speaking of the political divide, Luigi the Unbelievable has just invited Brandon to address Parliament!

Let’s go!

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 6:32 pm

Coutts-Trotter is pure swamp. But he is hardly Robinson Crusoe there.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 6:34 pm

umbers was strong on the issue of voter ID

That foul syphilitic ol’ imbecile was so stupid that he used to claim voluntary voting “disenfranchised” idiots that were unfortunately nearly as braindead as himself.

It wasn’t a serious argument then and it most certainly isn’t now.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:35 pm

My ire is drawn because of the extremely favourable treatment Coutts Trotter was afforded by labor in NSW.
Firstly by getting a job with NSW treasurer Michael Egan, and later getting the top gig in NSW Education despite his drug conviction, under the watch of Morris Iemma.

correct

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2022 6:35 pm

I see someone’s been smacking up the Dark ‘N’ Stormies this afternoon, and that the readership has once again been the target of his resultant insecurity and serial failure because today there’s nobody at Big Corporate to shriek at.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 6:35 pm

Zipster:

South Australia out of power to 80 000 homes due to Thunderstorms
Its renewable battery is flat after providing 2hrs of power to some homes.
It now needs 1000’s litres of filthy diesel fuel to recharge it.

And you can tell them and tell them, and tell them. It still doesn’t sink in.
I can’t wait for this stupidest of stupid countries to crash and burn because it’s the only way to teach some people.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 6:36 pm

Plibbers is always front and centre when the handbags are a whirring. Irrespective of what she looks like a very ugly person. Like Gillard brings a lot of baggage to the table.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:37 pm

I can’t wait for this stupidest of stupid countries to crash and burn because it’s the only way to teach some people.

people voted against this shit in 2014 and 2019 and got it anyway.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Luigi the Unbelievable has just invited Brandon to address Parliament!

If the latter doesn’t resurrect his gratest hits I’ll be most disappointed … 🙂

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:38 pm

stupidest of stupid countries

speak for yourself

Oh come on
Oh come on
November 13, 2022 6:39 pm

m0nty here expects a detailed forensic analysis of how the bloody obvious happened. Anything less is “low energy”. They haven’t even finished rigging the vote in Maricopa!

m0nts is partially correct, though – the election fraud this time around is quite a low energy affair compared with 2020 when they really pulled out all the stops to get Orange Man Bad out and the dementia patient in. In the aftermath of that, it took a while to figure out what happened. This time they’re running much the same playbook, but they’re more targeted and more brazen. They know where the weak spots are, and that’s where it’s happening. They aren’t even trying to hide what they’re up to.

Look at how they’re doing it in Maricopa; holding back the GOP-heavy dumps to give Hobbs’s people a window to harvest enough votes to offset them. Might not be enough but absolutely worth a try as far as those “Republican” county officials are concerned. If Lake wins, they’re in for a whole world of trouble. Why wouldn’t they do whatever they can to prevent this from happening? No reason to think they’d be squeamish about taking such measures after what they did in 2020.

It’s very obvious what’s going on. No point being “high energy” about it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2022 6:42 pm

But to put your wedding ring on in hopes of snagging a root.
FMD.

It’s not every time, you colossal pumpkinhead. Entirely dependent on venue and circumstance, and the company. In any event, you’ve only got the shits on because you didn’t think of it.

Anyway, they’ve got an Icehouse-themed Welcome to Country on at the crikkit. A bloke with a feather taped to his forehead and wearing a small child’s bedroom curtains is singing in language.

Complete shit.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 6:42 pm

After a delay, more Flannerys. Yay.
Home now after watching the rather beige Matthew Guy election pledge. Gawd almighty, Allah, and the winds willing, (HT Under Siege 2) the right wing of politics will be disemboweled and dismembered with those body part strewn from Mildura to Orbost.
And be replaced ready to get back to conservative roots as invisaged by Menzies

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:44 pm

Yeah they got away with 2020 so they will keep doing it- something will give eventually or maybe place will wind up like Mexico.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 6:44 pm

Dragger we need a laugh emoticon for stuff. Like Facebook because your latest effort is 24 carat gold

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 6:44 pm

The Luciferian Eclipse Of The Catholic Church | Archbishop Vigano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfdKukK80k

calli
calli
November 13, 2022 6:44 pm

people voted against this shit in 2014 and 2019 and got it anyway.

Quite. That’s what my “blurred political divide” was about. They “say” different things, but the results are almost indistinguishable.

Zipster
November 13, 2022 6:44 pm

preprint

Nuclear translocation of spike mRNA and protein is a novel pathogenic feature of SARS-CoV-2
Abstract

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) causes severe pathophysiology in vulnerable older populations and appears to be highly pathogenic and more transmissible than SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV [1, 2]. The spike (S) protein appears to be a major pathogenic factor that contributes to the unique pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2. Although the S protein is a surface transmembrane type 1 glycoprotein, it has been predicted to be translocated into the nucleus due to the novel nuclear localization signal (NLS) “PRRARSV”, which is absent from the S protein of other coronaviruses. Indeed, S proteins translocate into the nucleus in SARS-CoV-2-infected cells. To our surprise, S mRNAs also translocate into the nucleus. S mRNA colocalizes with S protein, aiding the nuclear translocation of S mRNA. While nuclear translocation of nucleoprotein (N) has been shown in many coronaviruses, the nuclear translocation of both S mRNA and S protein reveals a novel pathogenic feature of SARS-CoV-2.

Author summary One of the novel sequence insertions resides at the S1/S2 boundary of Spike (S) protein and constitutes a functional nuclear localization signal (NLS) motif “PRRARSV”, which may supersede the importance of previously proposed polybasic furin cleavage site “RRAR”. Indeed, S protein’s NLS-driven nuclear translocation and its possible role in S mRNA’s nuclear translocation reveal a novel pathogenic feature of SARS-CoV-2.

Dr. Doug Corrigan
@ScienceWDrDoug
·
13h
Replying to
@BrianWSOP
The virus encodes an RNA sequence which are instructions to produce the Spike protein. That Spike protein has a short sequence that directs the protein to go inside the nucleus of the cell where DNA resides. The RNA sequence also goes inside the nucleus.

Dr. Doug Corrigan
@ScienceWDrDoug
·
13h
Replying to
@ScienceWDrDoug and @BrianWSOP
This is not normal for a coronavirus. When they made the mRNA jab, they copied the sequence of the Spike protein, including this signal that directs the Spike protein to the nucleus. So the Spike protein made by jab will presumably go into the nucleus.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:45 pm

And be replaced ready to get back to conservative roots as invisaged by Menzies

always think of Gorton and Mystic Park when up your way BB

Makka
Makka
November 13, 2022 6:46 pm

And be replaced ready to get back to conservative roots as invisaged by Menzies

These days most Australians would be horrified at the policies of Menzies. They are brought up on the nannified polices of the UNiparty and within that rigid and approved framework they will stay.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 13, 2022 6:47 pm

Anyway, they’ve got an Icehouse-themed Welcome to Country on at the crikkit. A bloke with a feather taped to his forehead and wearing a small child’s bedroom curtains is singing in language.

Complete shit.

Thanks KD – brilliant summation I was down the other end of the house where the Sunbather has the T20 Final on and I saw this creature done up in what I thought was rather Ken Done-ish garb (exactly what Stone Age nomads wore in them days- Bruce Pascoe found the loom on which such fabric was wove) – but you’re right it is bedroom curtains and complete multi-coloured shit.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:51 pm

“blurred political divide” aka uniparty aka the political class

it’s easy to see that Trump was good because the establishment HATED him so much

Oh come on
Oh come on
November 13, 2022 6:52 pm

Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks underway
Both Pfizer and Moderna are launching clinical trials to track health issues — if any — in the years following a diagnosis of vaccine-associated heart problems in teens and young adults.

Gee, I’m sure the results of those trials will be totally reliable. It’s not as though Pfizer and Moderna have an interest in giving their products a clean bill of health or anything like that.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
November 13, 2022 6:53 pm

Here is a pic of the pack of loonies, has beens and faux abos at the T20′

Behold the woke weirdos.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 6:54 pm

Howard is certainly revealing his true self by dissing Trump.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2022 6:59 pm

These days most Australians would be horrified at the policies of Menzies.

Conscription?

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2022 6:59 pm

stupidest of stupid countries

“TANYA PLIBERSEK IS A 9/10 AND IF YOU DONT AGREE, YOU’RE AN INCEL TERRORIST WOMAN HATER!!!”

Sorry miltonf, the sentiment is difficult to disagree with.

Stupid or smoking crack. One or the other.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 13, 2022 6:59 pm

The Dems spent trillions buying votes from the cloying masses.
The Dems covered their tracks by telling the voters that inflation is caused by corporate greed.
It seems that corporate greed had been hibernating during the extended low interest rate and inflation period only to awaken and attack the

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:00 pm

Yeah well dot I have a real job and the people i work with aren’t stupid

Frank
Frank
November 13, 2022 7:02 pm

“Plibbers is an attractive woman”

Skin deep perhaps, the shrieking harpy routine tends to put a dampener on things.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 7:04 pm

anyone here know about using a carborundum stone to sharpen kitchen knives
Your dad was making a Razor Edge.
How to do that:
1. Place the stone on a damp kitchen sponge, that way it wont move when the weight of the knife is on it.
2. Diluted dish soap is good enough as a lubricant
3. Place the knife flat at one end of the stone with the edge of the knife about an inch away from the end of the stone
4. Turn the knife over slightly until the lubricant appears to move out from under the edge of the blade. That’s your honing angle.
5. Hold that angle steady and draw the blade along the stone to the other end. Turn over and repeat the process.
6. Test for sharpness by lightly drawing the blade across the thumbnail. It should want to dig in just a touch.
If there are any areas that don’t dig in, usually near the point and the handle, return the blade to the stone and work on that area only.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 7:05 pm

the pack of loonies, has beens and faux abos at the T20

Back when I was growing up*, collectivists would interminably screech about keeping politics out of sport.

I stopped following any of the eggball codes and cricket nearly two decades ago. My beloved football is hanging on by a thread.

Everything collectivists lay their monstrous scabrous paws on turns to shit. Everything.

*When dinobores ruled this planet …

rickw
rickw
November 13, 2022 7:07 pm

Behold the woke weirdos.

What’s with the feather? Haven’t seen that before.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2022 7:08 pm

How do I get this lotion to rub into my skin though?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 13, 2022 7:08 pm

Can’t get used to God Save the King

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 7:10 pm

Luigi the Unbelievable

That’s a keeper.

Oh come on
Oh come on
November 13, 2022 7:11 pm

Incidentally, Pfizer and Moderna are already conducting trials on their vaxxes that ought to be doing what these new trials are doing. The phase 3 and phase 4 trials haven’t finished – they run for years. If Pfizer and Moderna are launching a separate set of trials, the obvious inference to draw is that the trials currently underway are deficient.

I suppose it could simply be a PR exercise. That is also possible. Either way, you’d have to be pretty dense to give any credence to whatever these trials conclude.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:11 pm

Everything collectivists lay their monstrous scabrous paws on turns to shit. Everything.

It’s part of critical theory- wreck Australia day, wreck Anzac Day what’s next? Christmas maybe.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 7:13 pm

And be replaced ready to get back to conservative roots as invisaged by Menzies
Menzies wasn’t a conservative, never claimed to be one, and was mostly interested in neutralising the efforts of conservative ratbags to bring down the Liberal Party.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 7:14 pm

Why does m0nty-fa stay here?

He has absolutely no success in converting anyone to his fascist political philosophy. His low energy gloating is either ignored or treated with the contempt it (and he) so thoroughly deserve. Indeed, he gloats over the defeat of political philosophies with which most here disagree anyway, and is too terminally stupid to realise that no-one cares.

Has he ever made a useful contribution to any discussion?

That said, I would not want to see him banned. Watching others treat him with contempt, and doing the same myself is worth the occasional annoyance caused by his pathetic personality.

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2022 7:14 pm

Critical theory builds into the fake crisis of the dialectical, then – “inevitably”, the proles demand full blown communism.

What an utterly poisonous ideology. Destroy everything so we can have free stuff and punish people who in the past worked harder or smarter than others.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 7:16 pm

Yabbott – in one of his first acts as PM, he appoints the Bott-Destroyer as ambassadortrix for wymminses.

Fatty O’Barrell – in one of his first acts as NSW premier, he appoints Hyphen-Trotters to an even more comfy NSW bureaucracy sinecure.

Both of the former are now vainly thrashing around for relevance (and unsurprisingly unemployed), while the latter remain sucklin’ on the mighty bountiful boosage of the taxpayers.

There’s a lesson there somewhere, Cats.

mem
mem
November 13, 2022 7:16 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
November 13, 2022 at 6:11 pm
anyone here know about using a carborundum stone to sharpen kitchen knives

soak your stone in water for 15 minutes
the angle is your friend
15 to 20 degreeswith sharp knife

https://www.mediocrechef.com/blog/how-to-sharpen-kitchen-knives

Many thanks Matrix. Have read directions and will now go and “slaughter” the beast, being a boned roast shoulder of lamb, with my sharpened knife.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 13, 2022 7:16 pm

From the Stellar interview with Isobel Lucas. What is interesting is the questions from Stellar. So basically a healthy young female should take a vax against her wishes to benefit others. No wonder the media have lost all credibility.

Anyway, not too familiar with her work, but Lucas deserves some respect for her stance.

S: This publication has a pro-vaccination stance (as does the publisher of Stellar, News Corp Australia) and we supported the Covid vaccine throughout the pandemic. So we need to ask: are you vaccinated?

IL: Not against Covid. Growing up, I’ve had several attenuated vaccines. I’m pro engaging in conversations about inclusion and diversity, about how one size doesn’t fit all.

For me, I appreciate what might be right for you may not be right for me, but it’s not right that either of us are being stripped of the freedom to choose.

I feel that strongly. And trust me, I avoid conflict at all costs, but there’s been, in my experience over the past two or three years, a grand contradiction in our culture where everyone is finally talking about diversity and inclusion, and it’s such a wonderful thing to celebrate.

But how does that really play out in real life? Our relationship with our body is very personal and it’s deeply complex and so are our choices, and we’re claiming to engage in conversations about inclusion and diversity – you know, gender, religion, sexuality, race – without allowing our beliefs or observations to be acknowledged.

The diversity of choice is yet to be included, in my experience. There’s an expectation to be vulnerable and honest and open and share observations and truth.

But in the same breath, if we do that in a more nuanced or complex way than the current popular view, then one can end up as a part of the cancel-culture moment.

S: Did you know that by voicing your opinion on this issue, that you may be cancelled or may not work again?

IL: Of course. I thought: it’s highly likely I won’t work for years if I share this.

There’s a sentiment [by English author] Evelyn Beatrice Hall: “I [disapprove of] what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” It’s a really dear one to me.

For me, the risk of not sharing and speaking my observations was far greater to my conscience. Was I aware it would be risky? Highly, highly aware. Of course. Absolutely.

While the past three years have been challenging, I’m so grateful for the lessons I’ve learnt and I’ve never felt more supported.

It was ironic because after I had shared my observations, the role in Bosch & Rockit [a surf drama that was in cinemas in August] was offered to me.

The [makers] were also questioning things deeply and wanted to express appreciation for my observations and generate deeper questioning, and that was certainly an unexpected gift.

I was very prepared for different outcomes because I know going against the grain, against the mainstream narrative, is controversial. Blind obedience to authority is controversial.

S: How do you reconcile that your stance against the vaccine might have caused harm to someone else?

IL: It’s not always easy to have these conversations. I’ve always lived by the sentiment that the more we don’t want to talk about something, the more we probably need to. We need to bring patience. We need to bring inclusion and we do need to talk about it.

For me, the ultimate test of something is, “Does it work? Does it produce the result intended?”

S: But what about in terms of someone’s livelihood? In NSW, lockdown laws were lifted once a percentage of the population was vaccinated. How, as a conscientious person, do you reconcile the fact that your personal choice may harm the greater good?

IL: You could even ask the same question of what the sacrifices could be for those including myself possibly not working for years ahead.

What I’ve learnt is that love is inclusive. It’s not coercive or it’s not inherently taking something away from us if we don’t do something. The fabric of society – in that instance, in that moment in time – didn’t feel about inclusion. It felt coercive.

And if we want an inclusive community, society and world, we need to be an example of that. It’s to include rather than discriminate. I’ve spent years aspiring to learn how to adhere to that quiet inner voice.

I’ve always been highly sensitive and guided by my intuition. I’ve based a lot of my choices and my decisions in my life purely on this internal compass.

I’ve learnt how to listen to it and how to adhere to it and I also learnt that when I don’t listen to it, there are negative repercussions. I’ve learnt this through experience, living in Hollywood. I’ve learnt to hone this instinct.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:16 pm

The other thing about ‘this stupid country’ is there are armies of consummate professionals who keep the lights on in spite of the idiocracy in charge, the water supply flowing, the sewers working. Growing food, mining coal, building houses.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:16 pm

Gee, I’m sure the results of those trials will be totally reliable. It’s not as though Pfizer and Moderna have an interest in giving their products a clean bill of health or anything like that.

The wolf in charge of the hen house. Big Pharma provide 96% of TGA funding.

Nothing to see here. Anyone taking the clotshots now is simply demonstrating obedience. Baaaaaaa

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 7:17 pm

Plibersek is very attractive superficially. I’ve watched Question Time since time immemorial. Nothing better than a beautiful woman in a business suit, preferably a skirt.
But alas, as commenters rightly point out, all of that is superceded by her hatred and spite.
A woman here was and still remains the most beautiful woman I’ve seen.
I should say there are 2.
First one, drop dead gorgeous, had the porcelain face and blonde hair. But if she smiled, her face would crack, just cold.
Second is a brunette (Rabz) who married a good friend of mine through school and football. Happy go lucky, her and mates crop went under, so upbeat.
She is so beautiful she should be on the cover of any magazine in the country.
Certainly not that Marie Claire fuckwittery I posted earlier

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 7:18 pm

rickwsays:
November 13, 2022 at 7:07 pm
Behold the woke weirdos.

What’s with the feather? Haven’t seen that before.

Underdressed Kadaitcha Man?

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:19 pm

Re critical theory- the Frankfurt school was a canker.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:19 pm

Notice how the Indians wanted to perform their own trials on the mRNA poison. Guess what? Pfizzer and Murderna didnt supply them.

Nothing to see here.

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 7:20 pm

What an utterly poisonous ideology

dialect-materialism

or, you’ll settle for less

… if you know what’s good for you

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 7:21 pm

*dialectic

Zipster
November 13, 2022 7:21 pm

Author summary One of the novel sequence insertions resides at the S1/S2 boundary of Spike (S) protein and constitutes a functional nuclear localization signal (NLS) motif “PRRARSV”, which may supersede the importance of previously proposed polybasic furin cleavage site “RRAR”. Indeed, S protein’s NLS-driven nuclear translocation and its possible role in S mRNA’s nuclear translocation reveal a novel pathogenic feature of SARS-CoV-2.

the mind boggles. if this is real then it looks suspiciously like this virus is engineered to enter the nucleus and modify dna. what other surprises lurk in the rna of covid?

the jab contains the full spike rna including this ability to enter the nucleus. does this explain the everyone must be vaccinated or no one is safe mantra?

rickw
rickw
November 13, 2022 7:22 pm

How, as a conscientious person, do you reconcile the fact that your personal choice may harm the greater good?

What a fucking stupid question. The hurdle was set by government idiocracy. It had no basis in reality. You should fold because governments set a target for collective punishment?

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 7:25 pm

shoulder of lamb, with my sharpened knife

you’re welcom

spring, is sprung again

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 7:25 pm

miltonfsays:
November 13, 2022 at 7:16 pm
The other thing about ‘this stupid country’ is there are armies of consummate professionals who keep the lights on in spite of the idiocracy in charge, the water supply flowing, the sewers working. Growing food, mining coal, building houses.

There are around 10% of the population who are holding back progress, and ultimately, will destroy the nation. They call themselves “progressives”.

rickw
rickw
November 13, 2022 7:26 pm

The wolf in charge of the hen house. Big Pharma provide 96% of TGA funding.

WTF?

Does in prick in Government or The Bureaucracy have the vaguest idea what a conflict of interest is?!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 7:27 pm

Why does m0nty-fa stay here?

BJ – You will have noted that all righty blogs have one, or three, of these people who are assigned.
I would be very interested to know if there is money involved in these assignments.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:31 pm

your personal choice may harm the greater good

Lets ban alcohol and junk food.

Moron.

mem
mem
November 13, 2022 7:33 pm

MatrixTransformsays:
November 13, 2022 at 7:25 pm
shoulder of lamb, with my sharpened knife

you’re welcom

spring, is sprung again

I didn’t buy it. Just the cook and will do my best. Yes spring is over.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:33 pm

There are around 10% of the population who are holding back progress, and ultimately, will destroy the nation. They call themselves “progressives”.

Yes and they’ve infiltrated politics, education, media and arts.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:36 pm

rickwsays:
November 13, 2022 at 7:26 pm
The wolf in charge of the hen house. Big Pharma provide 96% of TGA funding.

WTF?

Does in prick in Government or The Bureaucracy have the vaguest idea what a conflict of interest is?!

The BMJ asked six leading regulators, in Australia, Canada, Europe, Japan, the UK, and US, a series of questions about their funding, transparency in their decision making (and of data), and the rate at which new drugs are approved.

Of these, Australia had the highest proportion of budget from industry fees (96%) and in 2020-2021 approved more than nine of every 10 drug company applications.

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/investigation-are-drug-regulators-sufficiently-independent-from-the-companies-they-are-meant-to-regulate/

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 7:37 pm

I would be very interested to know if there is money involved in these assignments.

Interesting point

Rabz
November 13, 2022 7:37 pm

Second is a brunette

Err, BB, I’ve been “re-evaluating” my views on womanages of the blonde persuasion over the last few months. I’ll happily maintain until the day I depart this planet that the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen in my life were brunettes – and yet, blondes just keep on barging into my consciousness, including the great (unfulfilled) love of my life, Miss Emily.

Miss Eva
Miss Ellie

Mater
November 13, 2022 7:38 pm

your personal choice may harm the greater good

I can imagine nearly every tyrant in history muttering these very words, at one point or another.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:39 pm

TGA should be dismantled for approving a poisonous gene therapy masquerading as a ‘vaccine’.

custard
custard
November 13, 2022 7:40 pm

People at the moment who haven’t conceded

Donald J Trump
Kari Lake
Blake Masters
Mark Finchim
Adam Laxalt
Jim Marchant

There are a shed load more. Copy and paste any others you can think of

132andBush
132andBush
November 13, 2022 7:41 pm

In “who’s ya daddy” news.

Married men voted Rep/Dem 59/39

Married women voted 56/42

Unmarried men 52/45

BUT

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 7:41 pm

Groogs knows lubricants. No Googlin’ there. Hard earned experience. Poor Mother.

Bluey
Bluey
November 13, 2022 7:41 pm

Boambee Johnsays:
November 13, 2022 at 7:14 pm
Why does m0nty-fa stay here?

He has absolutely no success in converting anyone to his fascist political philosophy. His low energy gloating is either ignored or treated with the contempt it (and he) so thoroughly deserve. Indeed, he gloats over the defeat of political philosophies with which most here disagree anyway, and is too terminally stupid to realise that no-one cares.

Has he ever made a useful contribution to any discussion?

That said, I would not want to see him banned. Watching others treat him with contempt, and doing the same myself is worth the occasional annoyance caused by his pathetic personality.

It’s pretty simple really, he is of a feminine mindset. It’s always someone else who should suffer or provide, and he gets the benefit. He won’t even be honest with himself, let alone others.

Razey
Razey
November 13, 2022 7:43 pm

Why does m0nty-fa stay here?

Paid 50 cents per post is why. Which is too much for the garbage cunty spews.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
November 13, 2022 7:43 pm

What’s with the feather?

Cultural appropriation.
Not that the MSM will criticise it!

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 13, 2022 7:45 pm

And never forget, Hitler was a socialist!

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2022 7:48 pm

The state is giga-chad.

It’s over for the trad-cels.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 7:51 pm

This stuff is interesting because on one hand it says what the voters are demanding, and also says how the slimy critters causing the problem are writhing in their effort to fool the voters.

Victorian election campaign launch: Premier Dan Andrews and Opposition Leader Matthew Guy both promise power bill relief (Sky, 13 Nov)

I have no problem with such statements so long as they are enforced. I propose that on the completion of whoever wins term of office that flesh be removed from their bodies based on how much the price of electricity rises. Thus 10% rise would be a hand and a foot, 30% would be the full Graeme Richardson. And 50% would be the headsman. Definitely would help focus them to fulfill their promises.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 7:54 pm

BUT

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

Yup.

We’re seeing in real time a section of society go mad.

m0nty
November 13, 2022 7:56 pm

I would be very interested to know if there is money involved in these assignments.

Uncle George’s Nazi gold, of course.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 7:56 pm

There’s a sentiment [by English author] Evelyn Beatrice Hall: “I [disapprove of] what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” It’s a really dear one to me.

That’s nuts.
You’ll defend to the death some maniac’s Right to say the Covid Vaccines are harmless?

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 7:58 pm

I would be very interested to know if there is money involved in these assignments.
Are you kidding?
My estimate is at least half of the regulars on any Australian Blog are Paid Trolls.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 7:58 pm

there are armies of consummate professionals who keep the lights on in spite of the idiocracy in charge, the water supply flowing, the sewers working. Growing food, mining coal, building houses

For how much longer?

I’ve become so bored, privileged and comfortable that the destruction of society as we know it would almost be a welcome jolt to the head – as if the indescribable idiocy of the last three years wasn’t enough.

There are so many morons among us that want our society to end that they do deserve the logical endpoint – existences that are “Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.

While being surveilled 24/7 by the Minitru minions of Standartenführer Schwab and Chilla Big Ears.

So hoe into your ever decreasing chocorat while watching the next six hour episode of the “Glorious History of Uncle Joe and the many many eternally grateful supplicants he liberated from the clutches of the nayzees” on channel Nein.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:00 pm

My estimate is at least half of the regulars on any Australian Blog are Paid Trolls.

Including your not so good self.

Mater
November 13, 2022 8:00 pm

Quisling:

Impressed by the success of Bolsheviks in the 1917 revolution, the young army officer initially offered his services to Norway’s Labour Party, then a member of the Comintern. Rebuffed, he soon veered to the opposite end of the political spectrum

Could the pattern be any clearer?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 8:00 pm

I love Monty’s non-denial denial.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:01 pm

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31
Yep.
It’s still being stolen, but the Trump’s Republican Party ran a hopeless campaign.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 13, 2022 8:01 pm

Questions of legitimacy create urgent problems for plans for an Aboriginal-only parliament

The questions surrounding Labor’s candidate Lauren O’Dwyer’s claims of Indigenous ancestry highlight an urgent problem with plans for the Voice.

Redhead Lauren O’Dwyer, Labor’s candidate for Richmond in Victoria’s election, describes herself in her campaign video as a “lesbian single mum” and “Yorta Yorta woman”. She’s Aboriginal?

In fact, genealogical researchers have now checked the great-grandfather O’Dwyer claims is her Aboriginal ancestor and found he’s as white as, well, fake “Aboriginal” author Bruce Pascoe.

Meanwhile, other Yorta Yorta activists want proof that O’Dwyer is what she claims and not one of up to 300,000 Australians who wrongly claim to be Aboriginal.

But this is bigger than O’Dwyer.

Her case illustrates an urgent problem with the Albanese government’s plan for an Aboriginal-only parliament called the Voice.

Just who is Aboriginal, really? Could Labor create a Voice stuffed with fake ones?

O’Dwyer is an arts bureaucrat who four years ago described herself as a city dweller who was still “a proud country kid from Yorta Yorta land”, up near the Murray River.

Now she says she’s not just from Yorta Yorta land but is Yorta Yorta herself, fighting for a treaty with non-Aborigines.

Why the switch? “I came to know my identity late in life because my family didn’t speak of it,” she told Nine newspapers. But maybe there was nothing to speak of.

Aboriginal activists have bombarded O’Dwyer’s social media pages saying they don’t know her and asking what Yorta “mob” she’s from. Even Ngarra Murray, from Victoria’s First Peoples’ Assembly, asked for evidence, complaining: “The issue of ‘new identifiers’ is a growing problem.”

In response, O’Dwyer said her family connections to the Yorta community were “disrupted several generations ago”, but one of her great-grandfathers was Aboriginal.

She hasn’t publicly said which, but got a Confirmation of Aboriginality from the Njernda Aboriginal Corporation.

I’ve asked O’Dwyer what proof she gave the corporation, and still wait for an answer.

But genealogical researchers from Dark-Emu-Exposed.org, who earlier revealed Pascoe’s English-only ancestry, have now published records of all four of O’Dwyer’s great-grandfathers: Thomas Francis O’Dwyer, born in Malvern; David Thomas O’Reilly, born in Smeaton; John Stanley Hay, born in Kyneton; and Graham Ernest Berry, born in Swan Hill.

Not one was born in Yorta Yorta lands. Not one has Aboriginal ancestry. They’re descended instead from English, Irish, Scottish, Danish and English-American colonial ancestors.

Of course, O’Dwyer may tell me the records are wrong, or one of her grandparents was the illegitimate child of an Aboriginal father not named on the birth certificate.

But even if true, in what meaningful way could O’Dwyer be Aboriginal when seven of her eight great-grandparents weren’t, when family connections to the Yorta Yorta were “disrupted several generations ago”, when her family “didn’t speak of it”, and when she allegedly learnt of her Aboriginal great-grandparent only “late in life”.

For too long it’s been dangerous to even ask such questions, particularly after a Federal Court judge banned two of my articles that did. But now many Aborigines are also demanding answers, and not just of O’Dwyer herself.

On SBS last month, Suzanne Ingram, a board member of the NSW Aboriginal Housing Office, complained that more than a third of Australians now claiming to be Aboriginal were not: “So we’ve got 300,000 people here who are counting themselves among us.”

Her estimate seems too high, but the problem is real.

The past two censuses – 2016 and 2021 – showed more than 130,000 Australians called themselves Aborigines who hadn’t in the census before.

Why? Well, it’s now hip to be black. Or profitable, gaining people jobs, scholarships, subsidised medicines and, above all, moral status.

Many Aborigines are horrified by the scale of the fakery.

Stephen Hagan, an Aboriginal activist who has supplied astonishing examples of pretend Aborigines, told SBS there was “an increase in fake Aborigines coming into the (Aboriginal) organisations” who were “basically white people … controlling the narrative of black affairs”.

Michael Mansell, Aboriginal Land Council of Tasmania chairman, warned of thousands more fakes like Pascoe in Tasmania, where the number of supposed Aborigines has rocketed from 36 in 1966 to more than 30,000 today.

Sydney’s Metropolitan Aboriginal Land Council asked the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption to investigate the number of students now claiming to be Aboriginal, and warned “people have used self-identification to receive jobs, housing and scholarships they’re not entitled to”.

At this rate of growth in the census figures, we could have more pretend Aborigines than real ones in less than 30 years.

So who will Labor’s Voice – its Aboriginal-only parliament – represent then?

Fakes, frauds and rent-seekers? Or the real Aborigines they’re pushing out?

Andrew Bolt

Herald-Sun with the pic of the lady.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:02 pm

Could the pattern be any clearer?
What pattern?
He was an opportunist, just not a very successful one.

miltonf
miltonf
November 13, 2022 8:03 pm

Back when I read Bolt’s blog (when it was free), there came a stage where the trolls made it unreadable which I assume was their objective.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 13, 2022 8:04 pm

Richard Cranium

How much do you get paid for your trolling?

Mater
November 13, 2022 8:09 pm

What pattern?

You’re off the pace, Ed.
Just toddle off back to the basement.

m0nty
November 13, 2022 8:11 pm

Nah actually it’s thirty pieces of silver, sourced from custard’s stash.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2022 8:11 pm

People at the moment who haven’t conceded

Donald J Trump
Kari Lake
Blake Masters
Mark Finchim
Adam Laxalt
Jim Marchant

Clive Palmer
Kid Rock
Don Dunstan
Ronald Reagan
The Daily Expose editorial team

MatrixTransform
November 13, 2022 8:12 pm

there came a stage where the trolls made it unreadable

all forums die the same death

including this one

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
November 13, 2022 8:14 pm

The rest of the world is moving to multi-employer bargaining:will Australia follow suit?, asks the ‘independent’ and ‘non-partisan’ ABC:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-13/world-is-shifting-to-multi-employer-bargaining-will-australia/101646706

This ‘business correspondent’ is the idiot who wrote a few weeks ago that containing inflation is a vicious neo-liberal form of oppression of the poor. I would have thought the following propositions were self-evident to anything with the mental wattage of a brain-damaged newt:

(1) inflation pushes up the (nominal) price of assets. Therefore (2) those best placed to cope with it are people with lots of assets, and (3) those worst placed to cope with it are people who don’t have many or any assets.

This reeks of the lunatic era when we had Jim Cairns as treasurer.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:14 pm

What sort of lowlife would troll a blog?
I’d say Flamers of the closeted variety.
My guess is not all are paid, but there’s an ambition to be paid.
Who are the paymasters?
Spooks, most likely.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:18 pm

Back when I read Bolt’s blog (when it was free), there came a stage where the trolls made it unreadable which I assume was their objective.
The format was difficulty to read and the moderation killed it.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:21 pm

Back when I read Bolt’s blog (when it was free), there came a stage where the trolls made it unreadable

It was an absolute free for all. Shut down once newscorpse realised they were paying comment moderators 24/7.

Blot’s simpering apologia when this (commercial) decision was made:

“I’m not having a bunch of unwashed peons slandering anyone and everyone they can – this blogue has become a hotbed of uncivilised abuse, I tells ya.”

“There will no longer be any of that.”

And that was literally that. I was never able to comment there again 😕

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 13, 2022 8:23 pm

On SBS last month, Suzanne Ingram, a board member of the NSW Aboriginal Housing Office, complained that more than a third of Australians now claiming to be Aboriginal were not: “So we’ve got 300,000 people here who are counting themselves among us.”

Anyone care to imagine the dogfight that will ensure, when “Compensation” and “reparations” are to be paid, as a result of a “Treaty?”

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:26 pm

So we’ve got 300,000 people here who are counting themselves among us

Just wait until it’s three million, sweetie 🙂

A proud aboriginal womanage, 2024

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 8:28 pm

Back when I read Bolt’s blog (when it was free), there came a stage where the trolls made it unreadable

I used to have epic climate fights with Sillyfilly of Gosford.

My tag is due to Bolt. The commenting system ‘way back then wanted a name and a place. So I chose Bruce for my name, and Newcastle for my place. There you go.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 13, 2022 8:31 pm

In response, O’Dwyer said her family connections to the Yorta community were “disrupted several generations ago”, but one of her great-grandfathers was Aboriginal.
She hasn’t publicly said which, but got a Confirmation of Aboriginality from the Njernda Aboriginal Corporation.

Like the Hawforn footy club, if you are going to make assertions, you must be clear and concise. O’Dwyer is a fuckwit.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:31 pm

I would have thought the following propositions were self-evident to anything with the mental wattage of a brain-damaged newt

Ol’ Lefty, you may just have the inside running for the coveted position of this blogue’s “Economist in Residence”*

Magnificent stuff.

*Twelve month tenure

Dot
Dot
November 13, 2022 8:32 pm

Bruce of Woolloomooloo?

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:33 pm

The commenting system ‘way back then wanted a name and a place

Ah yes – Rabz of Zombie Parrotville.

Thanks, BoN.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 8:36 pm

My estimate is at least half of the regulars on any Australian Blog are Paid Trolls.

My cheques aren’t clearing. I want to speak to the manager.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 8:45 pm

It’s a big come-down from the illustrious treatment of Channel 9 back in the day, Bear.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 13, 2022 8:46 pm

The Pak-a-lackeys made 137.

Not nearly enough, but the rain’s not far off. Hold out for another 90 minutes, Huey.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:47 pm

You’re a Shill, bear.
Nobody’s gonna pay you for that.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 8:47 pm

It’s a big come-down from the illustrious treatment of Channel 9 back in the day, Bear.

You’re not wrong. I don’t even have a parking space.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 8:47 pm

Actually had The Bear in my street for a neighbour’s kid’s birthday party once. He was waiting outside the front gate to be let in. 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 8:48 pm

Bruce of Woolloomooloo?

I used to go through there each day Dot, to the nearest university.
My honours thesis was about sheep dip.
A chemical called equol, apparently it helped fight ovine infertility.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 8:49 pm

Democrats funded weak Republicans to wins in the Primaries. [CNN]

Add it up and you get this: Every single Republican who was promoted by Democrats and advanced out of their primary lost the general election on Tuesday. And all but one was losing by double digits as of Wednesday afternoon.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 13, 2022 8:50 pm

What did he get an hour? I might renew my ABN.

Zipster
November 13, 2022 8:52 pm

On SBS last month, Suzanne Ingram, a board member of the NSW Aboriginal Housing Office, complained that more than a third of Australians now claiming to be Aboriginal were not: “So we’ve got 300,000 people here who are counting themselves among us.”

no anyone can identify as an aborigine. DEI baby

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 8:53 pm

That was not disclosed to a neighbouring kid on his bike, Bear! If I was game I could have ridden past for a closer look but shy me didn’t.

Jorge
Jorge
November 13, 2022 8:54 pm

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

Interesting to speculate on how that fits with the idea of vote harvesting. We think of this happening in the projects where the Dem machine is well oiled but perhaps it’s a larger issue and not organised subversion of the vote.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 8:57 pm

You’re a Shill, bear.

LOL.

NKP – “The Bear” was notorious for charging for his appearances like a wounded bull.

In one of the most ground breaking pieces of investigative j’ism when I was a yoof, this extortion was breathlessly uncovered by one the competing braindead FTA TV channels.

It was such an outrage that I remember going to Concorde Oval for a fireworks display* where the Bear was appearing and joining my contemporaries in a group chant of “How much are they paying you, Bear” and “the Bear is a rip off”.

Good and much more innocent times.

*Yeah, OK, dragged there by our parents

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
November 13, 2022 8:57 pm

Norwegian princess quits royal duties to work with ‘shaman’ fiance

The 51-year-old princess’s relationship with Durek Verrett, a Hollywood spiritual guru, caused waves in Norway after the “sixth-generation shaman” suggested in his book Spirit Hacking that cancer was a choice.

He also sells a medallion on his website labelled a “Spirit Optimizer”, which he claims helped him overcome Covid-19.

Märtha Louise, who claims to be able to speak with angels, lost her honorific “Her Royal Highness” title in 2002 when she chose to work as a clairvoyant. In 2019, the divorced mother of three agreed not to use her title as princess in her commercial endeavours.

132andBush
132andBush
November 13, 2022 8:58 pm

People at the moment who haven’t conceded

Donald J Trump
Kari Lake
Blake Masters
Mark Finchim
Adam Laxalt
Jim Marchant

Clive Palmer
Kid Rock
Don Dunstan
Ronald Reagan
The Daily Expose editorial team

JC 🙂

JC
JC
November 13, 2022 9:00 pm

Someone sent this to me in PDF format. It’s excellent , describing what’s going on with speech restrictions. The interesting claim is that free speech restrictions from secular efforts are historically the most serious and very damaging.
HARM AND HEGEMONY: THE DECLINE OF FREE SPEECH IN THE UNITED STATES
JONATHAN TURLEY1

Yet the most damaging anti-free speech movements in our history tended to be secular efforts in- volving government-mandated or government-encouraged speech controls. That is true of the current threats against free speech, in- volving private groups and companies that have imposed unprec- edented levels of speech controls across digital and educational platforms.4
There has already been a great deal of discussion on the erosion of free speech in the United States.5 There is obviously no meter that continually measures free speech protection, so this debate is una- voidably anecdotal. Yet objections to the “cancel culture” now ex- tend from academia to journalism to the arts.6 In each of these areas, long-standing principles of diversity and tolerance of viewpoints have been replaced by increasing rigidity and hegemony. Underly- ing these controversies is a fundamental debate over the meaning of free speech and its inherent harm. The notion of silencing others as a form of speech reflects a deep and widening disagreement over the protections for heterodoxy in a variety of different fields. Lead- ing publications like the New York Times have apologized for pub- lishing opposing views on issues, while leading journalists, editors, and columnists have resigned under fire for publishing dissenting viewpoints.7 Museum curators have been forced out for question- ing calls for race-based policies on acquisition or preferences.8 When leading writers, from Salman Rushdie to J.K. Rowling to Noam Chomsky, signed a letter raising alarm over the growing in- tolerance for opposing views,9 they were denounced by col- leagues.10 At the same time, legislative proposals to criminalize speech have been proposed in the cause of protecting democracy.11
These conflicts are often dismissed because many are the ac- tions or policies of private actors like Big Tech companies rather than a form of state action. While some have called to amend the Constitution to allow for greater speech regulation,12 others insist that blacklisting of authors or banning certain cable networks are not true free speech conflicts since they fall outside of the First Amendment.13 However, free speech values are neither synony- mous with nor contained exclusively within the First Amendment. As will be discussed below, all of these public and private forms of censorship undermine free speech values.

It’s found here:

https://www.harvard-jlpp.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/07/TURLEY_VOL45_ISS2.pdf

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 9:00 pm

I feel like some music. Chemistry and physics.

Grinspoon – Chemical Heart

Coldplay – Speed Of Sound

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2022 9:00 pm

It could be both unmarried women and harvesting of votes from disinterested voters.
What percentage of eligible voters normally turn out?

JC
JC
November 13, 2022 9:02 pm

That’s all very well, Bush. Concession doesn’t mean they’re in the game though. Trump never conceded and look at who is in the White House.

rosie
rosie
November 13, 2022 9:04 pm

Has Monty put a date on his Twitter collapse prediction?
Imminent or some time in the 21st century?

132andBush
132andBush
November 13, 2022 9:06 pm

Interesting to speculate on how that fits with the idea of vote harvesting. We think of this happening in the projects where the Dem machine is well oiled but perhaps it’s a larger issue and not organised subversion of the vote.

The only skin they have in the game is making sure their provider gets voted back in.

Rabz
November 13, 2022 9:07 pm

Has mUttley put a date on his Twatter collapse prediction?

Does it matter?

mUttley predicts something – the opposite happens.

calli
calli
November 13, 2022 9:08 pm

Bolt’s blog. There were some funny ones. Memorable – Janey Has Moved. She described wind turbines as “William Morris on stilts”.

I still smile at that, considering Morris and Co represented a return to a traditional, less industrialised world.

JC
JC
November 13, 2022 9:10 pm

Jorge says:
November 13, 2022 at 8:54 pm

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

Interesting to speculate on how that fits with the idea of vote harvesting. We think of this happening in the projects where the Dem machine is well oiled but perhaps it’s a larger issue and not organised subversion of the vote.

True, but look at the scaling problem for the GOP in this map of the House, which shows more clearly where supporters of both parties reside. It’s very difficult for the GOP to scale up vote harvesting when your flock is widely spread out over 95% of the continent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/house-results

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 9:10 pm
132andBush
132andBush
November 13, 2022 9:11 pm

Trump never conceded and look at who is in the White House.

Yes. Obama.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 9:12 pm

Alternatively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwPzkZ0bIeI

(The latter is ‘spun’ regularly at chateau NKP.) Got to see Ross Wilson live at a Melbourne NYE concert one year – a great show for nix!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 9:13 pm

Rabz, in this case the birthday boy’s parents may have been eligible for the star staff discount. 🙂

shatterzzz
November 13, 2022 9:13 pm

Never forget, never forgive – so what do you think he should have done for the rest of his life? A Maoist solution like working in the fields, by force, till he dropped?
TOO BLOODY LENIENT .. ! As someone who raised 4 kids in a drug soaked “houso” estate and seeing 1st hand the misery these scum inflict on innocents as well as “customers” I have NO sympathy & believe the “reformed” BS the”lettuce leaf ” of Oz justice regulary marinates …
No, he should have served his FULL sentence (no one found guilty of dealing/importing should get less than LIFE (tho I’d prefer mandatory death ..) then been turfed out the door, got himself hooked and OD-ed like his former customers .. then hung, drawn & quartered before being fed to pigs …….!

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 9:15 pm

Milton:

The other thing about ‘this stupid country’ is there are armies of consummate professionals who keep the lights on in spite of the idiocracy in charge, the water supply flowing, the sewers working. Growing food, mining coal, building houses.

The consummate professionals are all old and worn out, and because they can see the quality of the replacements that have been educated beyond their intellectual capacity, in bullshit subjects that have bearing only in qualifying them for ticket clipping.
Tell me Milton, where do you see Australia and the rest of Western civilisation in 20 years time?
That’s the question I asked myself 20 years ago, when I was an optimist.
Whether you have confidence in the future or not, I believe we are living the prequel of every dystopian SF novel and movie ever written.
Unless something drastic – really really drastic – happens socially in the next ten years, there is no bottom to the crash that started 8 years ago. And it will happen, like bankruptcy, power grid failure and cryptocurrency collapse, slowly, then really fast. The signs will all be there and people will say “WTF? How did we miss the signs?”
We aren’t missing the signs – we’re ignoring them.

Zipster
November 13, 2022 9:16 pm

Fauci Agency Hiding Vaccine Records!
Judicial Watch
Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for records on COVID-19 vaccine safety studies (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (No. 1:22-cv-03153)).

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 13, 2022 9:17 pm

I think I found this place either from a reference at Bolta’s old blog, or possibly when I became a refugee from it.

JC
JC
November 13, 2022 9:18 pm

Look at how academia tries to curve ball the principle of free speech.

Likewise, Professor Mary Anne Franks has dismissed claims of a free speech crisis in America’s universities, stating,

The true threat to free speech on college campuses is posed not by
university norms on free speech, but by the attack on those norms
by the Internet culture of free speech. The Internet model of free
speech is little more than cacophony, where the loudest, most
provocative, or most unlikeable voice dominates . . . . If we want
to protect free speech, we should not only resist the attempt to
remake college campuses in the image of the Internet, but
consider the benefits of remaking the Internet in the image of the
university.51

While there are many competing ideas about the goal of higher
education, and all universities fall short of the ideal, at the core of
the educational project is the desire to learn more—about the
world, about other people, about the nature of truth. That project
requires discernment, not blind insistence on the value of hearing “both sides.”52

Incredible.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 9:23 pm

From 2014:
Taxicab Depressions – The Pig Trap.
Bit of an eye opener – censored on the Old Cat.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 13, 2022 9:23 pm

She described wind turbines as “William Morris on stilts”.

I still smile at that, considering Morris and Co represented a return to a traditional, less industrialised world.

Essentially, William Morris Craft Movement was about promoting technology that had been superseded, which would lead to impoverishment of the Working Class.
Hence, useless, expensive wind turbines are “William Morris on stilts.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 13, 2022 9:26 pm

My honours thesis was about sheep dip.
A chemical called equol

You mean… eraquell?
ivErMeCTiN?!?!!??
I’ve got a good stash of the stuff as Ivomec dip powder, got to get me a pill making machine and cut it with something safer like fentanyl.
Music- All About Chemistry
By the band who did “Closing Time”, beloved of Crowder and assoc.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Has Monty put a date on his Twitter collapse prediction?

Rosie, he claims it has already happened.
Here is M0nty 24 hrs ago, on the Cat:
Musk has already killed Twitter. It is dead.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 9:29 pm

Mater:

I can imagine nearly every tyrant in history muttering these very words, at one point or another.

… and at the same time laughing hysterically at the concept of the Invisible Hand.

custard
custard
November 13, 2022 9:31 pm

I’ve got a 100 pills of 12mg Ivermectin

And 100 pills of 200mg HDQ

That’s the post, that’s it.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 9:34 pm

132and bush:

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

Would it be sexist of me to suggest these unmarried women have no stake in the future, bar being married to the State?
Discuss…

WolfmanOz
November 13, 2022 9:35 pm

Winston Smith says:
November 13, 2022 at 9:15 pm

Great comment albeit very depressing.

Zipster
November 13, 2022 9:36 pm

I’ve got a 100 pills of 12mg Ivermectin

have you tested them? we have been unable to get any real ivm. everything out of india is currently fake

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 13, 2022 9:36 pm

Nelson – Aliens Ate My Buick is one of my favourite LPs. Sadly Thomas Dolby is a lefty nutter, but I can forgive that.

Thomas Dolby – Airhead (1988)

Zipster
November 13, 2022 9:38 pm

The Liberal World Order Is Dead. National Conservatism Offers Our Best Hope for the Future
The New Culture Forum
The survival of Western democracy requires a revival of the centuries-old legal, religious, and cultural traditions that made Britain and America models of national freedom for the entire world. Liberalism, devoured by its own “woke” offspring, is at the end of its long reign. But just when the West needs a vigorous conservative revival, the political and intellectual movement that was once so sure of itself seems strangely irrelevant. Our guest today argues that National Conservatism offers the best model for our future freedom & prosperity.

Winston Smith
November 13, 2022 9:42 pm

Unmarried women voted Dem/Rep 68/31

This seems to me to be a duplication from just after the Russian Revolution when by about 1925 the state was supporting unmarried mums and the issue was holding entire city blocks of Moscow to ransom – gangs of children would raid and loot apartment blocks because the adults were helpless against the hordes of ‘youths’.
Men would just flit from one bar to women to job to barracks back to bar.
But women were ‘free’.
Solzhenitsyn covered the phenomenon in one of his books and I can’t remember which one.

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