Open Thread – Tue 13 Dec 2022


The Census at Bethlehem, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1566


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Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 4:22 pm

It’s confusing being a loyal leftard, unless you are brain dead.

four legs good, two legs bad!

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 4:24 pm

The Old Deviant in the WH celebrating freaks and creeps by bringing kiddies into the WH for some play time with a drag queen.

Relentless pursuit of the kids by the left. Fkg evil out in public. mOron’s lot.

Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Biden invited a drag queen to the White House today for the signing of the Respect for Marriage Act. This drag queen performs and puts on shows for kids. The Biden admin encourages this.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602419909543268352/photo/2

JMH
JMH
December 13, 2022 4:25 pm

I think we’ve established the ethnicity of the Train cop-killers.
I wonder if the events around Zack Rolfe could possibly have any bearing on the murder of two Police?

Pogria
Pogria
December 13, 2022 4:27 pm

Multiple eyewitnesses allege he made a series of lewd comments to female colleagues before inappropriately touching more than one woman, leaving one in tears and forcing another to strike him.
re, Smith and the bit above about what happened at the party, who were the “eyewitnesses”? Why the bloody hell didn’t some of the blokes take him outside and slap him about to remind him what manners are? Also, why were the women in tears? Why the fuck did only one of them smack him? Why the fuck didn’t all of them haul back and kick him in the nuts?
When I used to parties or go clubbing, if you didn’t have a boyfriend, there was still no shortage of blokes who would “sort out” a grabby or foul-mouthed cretin. And the women and girls then didn’t take crap from scumbags. I have lost count of the number of times I have punched, kicked, belted and my favourite, head butted some drunken loser who thought he could feel me up as I walked past or tried to pin me against the wall.
All this “equality” shit and all it has done for women is turn them into head to toe pussies.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 4:28 pm

dover0beachsays:
December 13, 2022 at 3:55 pm
Let me get this straight, two police officers and a neighbor were shot and killed by two men in an ambush. The latter were killed, along with a women yet to be named, by police officers responding to the ambush. So, all in all, there are six deaths. Is this correct?

Dover. See a reasonable summary at the Oz (non-paywalled)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/the-oz/news/police-shot-three-dead-after-two-cops-murdered-executionstyle/news-story/b7af37486968cacbcc94c4a18d6ab04b

Pogria
Pogria
December 13, 2022 4:29 pm

Steve Trickler,
good man.

Mater
December 13, 2022 4:32 pm

calli – to be fair – it sounds like the bloke was decent, and recently had a life-changing experience that for some reason or other has sent him right off the rails with his weirdo nut brother.

Let’s put some meat on the bones of why he might have been driven into the arms of his brother…and his philosophy.

The 43-44 year old mild mannered principle had a heart attack at school and needed to be “revived by staff” in Aug 21, and subsequently left the school. He looks to be in good shape at the time, is 43 or 44 years old and has a heart attack around the same time that teachers in NSW were about to lose jobs under vaccine mandates.

Was he vaccinated? Was he pressured into it? If so, did he believe it was the cause of his heart attack? Did he blame the authorities?

“People who knew him said his mental health deteriorated significantly after his departure.” I can envisage such an event driving some men to irrationality.

I’m not saying it’s so, it’s just a hypothesis based on dates and events, but it sure won’t be investigated. If it is, we won’t know about it.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 4:32 pm

I don’t want to bump into Pogria in a dark alleyway.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 4:35 pm

. What I’m interested in is the transformative nature of the experience. It is like near death experiences or conversion experiences described in some religious texts both Eastern and Western

It’s randomness. It can go anywhere, its basically psychosis. It can be mild and transient or severe and permanent. It’s a chaos where you latch onto to something, often overblown beliefs to provide some basis for reality. These are not the experiences you are looking for.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 4:37 pm

The big question nobody is asking is who appointed one of these deranged psychopaths as a principal of a kids school?

NSW Education dept would salivate at the chance to appoint an aboriginal guy as principal of a school with 97% aboriginal students (Walgett). They’d wet themselves in joy at the prospect.

I’m sad this happened but I really doubt the dept would look at all closely at a guy with such qualifications. They’d grab him with both hands and sing hosannas.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 4:38 pm

First I’ve read of this:

Stacey Train was also an educator, and the head of curriculum at the Tara Shire State College.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

<< < Correct. Two brothers and the wife of one of them, plus two cops and a neighbouring farmer.> >>

They ain’t farmers in that area. The land is in One Hundred acre parcels.
Thery’re called “Blockies” for a reason.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 4:42 pm

The Vaxx/nonVaxx made him do it? Give me strength.

My family has been impacted severely by the shit. My father’s health has been ruined and the short time remaining to him is hardly worth living. My daughter was hospitalised straight after her second needle. Goodness knows what it will do to my grandson.

I’m not about to go crazy and murder police because reasons.

People do evil things because they give themselves over to evil. And part of the “giving over” is becoming utterly obsessed and single minded.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 4:50 pm

People do evil things because they give themselves over to evil. And part of the “giving over” is becoming utterly obsessed and single minded.

Usually with enablerling supporters. It’ll be interesting to see what forums they frequently visited.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 4:50 pm

But feeling hot and hurt are individual subjective experiences. ‘It destroys things’ less so but psychedelics do have demonstrable physical effects, which is why you can distinguish psychedelic mushrooms from the normal variety.

Completely different categories. Bad analogy because psychedelics are subjective whereas the effects of fire have nothing to do with our subjective state. If I see a fire I can accurately predict the effects. I can’t do that with a person tripping. I can’t even be certain that the same person using the same drug will always have the same experience.

You don’t discount an analogy because there is some difference between the two things compared because they don’t depend on being identical in all respects, only in the relevant aspect.

All experience is mediated through biology. What are you arguing, that nothing is certain because it involves personal experience? Sure we can go down that rabbit hole but the end result of that is epistemic despair. No point trying to prove anything because it all involves personal experience.

Find a better analogy because that one sucks and misses the essential point about psychedelics which is the way psychedelics, religious experiences and near death experiences change belief structures.

Mater
December 13, 2022 4:51 pm

The Vaxx/nonVaxx made him do it? Give me strength.

So you don’t think that a man who believes that the government forced him to have injection which subsequently caused a heart attack, is not capable of ‘losing it’.

C’mon Calli, people have snapped over far less. How you,or your family, would respond to such an event is irrelevant when considering the possibilities.

Pick the holes in my theory! Go!

The one massive hole appears if he wasn’t vaccinated, and the Government could check that with a key stroke.

Gilas
Gilas
December 13, 2022 4:51 pm

On the Wieambilla tragedy:

Interesting to see the punters’ faith in the media narratives being spun as we speak.

Lots of inconvenient questions NOT being asked (although mentioned by some Cats):
– Why four police for a “routine” missing persons visit.
– If indeed the visit was more serious, why send wet-behind-the-ears rookies?
– What caused this sudden official concern for someone who was “missing” for over 15 months, was his brother interviewed in the meantime?
– The perps were killed after 6 hours, by a 16-men tactical-response squad. Why the long delay? What happened during those 6 hours?

and

– The details provided to the MSM: bushfire attempt, “execution” style killings, conspiracy nutjobbery, language used etc.. all designed to glorify police despite no details or context to the perps’ grievances.
-MSM outlets discussing this with an obligatory narrative designed to achieve a mindless emotional over-reaction in support of a hitherto (after the last 3 years) despised section of government.
– The posturing and pouring of “grief” for people who are paid to strong>voluntarily perform a known dangerous job is so oleagenous and transparently deceitful.

Given the psy-ops of the last 3 years, this, once again, is certain to succeed.

People just don’t learn.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 4:51 pm

bespokesays:
December 13, 2022 at 4:50 pm
People do evil things because they give themselves over to evil. And part of the “giving over” is becoming utterly obsessed and single minded.

Usually with enablerling supporters. It’ll be interesting to see what forums they frequently visited.

He was in contact with Latham. That would send me bonkas.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 4:52 pm

A beautiful innocent young girl wants to meet Santa Claus so she puts on a robe and stays up late on Christmas Eve. Santa arrives, climbs down the chimney, and begins filling the stockings. He is about to leave when the girl, who happens to be a gorgeous redhead, says in a sexy voice “Oh Santa, please stay. Keep the chill away”.

Santa replies “HO HO HO, gotta go, gotta go, gotta get the presents to the children, you know”.

The girl drops the robe to reveal a sexy bra and panties and says in an even sexier voice “Oh, Santa, don’t run a mile, just stay for a while”.

Santa begins to sweat but replies, “HO HO HO, gotta go, gotta go. Gotta get the presents to the children, you know”.

The girl takes off her bra and says, “Oh, Santa. Please. Stay”. Santa wipes his brow but replies, “HO HO HO, gotta go, gotta go, gotta get the presents to the children, you know”.

She loses the panties and says, “Oh Santa… please… stay…”

Santa, with sweat pouring off his brow, says, “HEY HEY HEY, gotta stay, gotta stay! Can’t get up the chimney this way!”

Damon
Damon
December 13, 2022 4:52 pm

“We can claim to see the same fire but given that our experiences are dependent on our senses there is an irreducible ‘subjectivity’ to them. ”

Put your hand on a hotplate, and see how subjective it is.

Jorge
Jorge
December 13, 2022 4:53 pm

The media don’t hesitate for even a split second when something like this occurs.
It will be right wing extremists.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Thery’re called “Blockies” for a reason.

“Blockies” out my way have a great interest in farming – growing their own dope….

Mater
December 13, 2022 4:53 pm

If my theory is even near right, he’s putty in his brothers hands. Very susceptible to manipulation.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value.

– Albert Einstein

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
December 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Probably late to the party, but had to put some bookends around Weiss’ latest Twitter Files thread (from early this morning) to highlight the irony.

1. The warning from within.
One of the few employees opposed early to banning Trump was opposed to censorship because of their experience growing up in China! https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602365655595962368
Then Trust and Safety finds Orange Man did not violate policy. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602367643553599512
Other employees are pointing out the similarity between management’s penchant for censorship and the tactics of the Gestapo! https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602373896648282112
Truly parody is obsolete in this reality.

2. Orange Man Banned.
The politically foregone conclusion had employees scratching around trying to prop it up with a rationale. Looks like about 4.5 hours between when the Trust team found there was no violation and when Twitter banned him anyway. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602374115867754496

3. The judgement from world leaders.
Angela Merkel grew up in East Germany and she could see banning Trump was a bad move: https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602376742756196352

4. Slippery slope actually slippery, not just slippery slope theory.
Having used censorship for partisan purposes, they wasted no time in redeploying it for covid propaganda purposes. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602375528224215040

Thank you for reading my comment.
Click the bell icon so you never miss… wait, no, I’ve been watching YT too much.

will
will
December 13, 2022 4:55 pm

Headline Banner from Dover:
The Census at Bethlehem, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1566

Love your work.

Reminds me of my social interaction with a Professor of Art History in Melbourne. I was always curious about the Bruegels art, and asked why, during a period of history when most art was religious, were they painting non-religious scenes? Oh, I was told, but it IS religious art. So much for trusting experts.

I think I have it figured out; it was a time of wealthy Flemish merchants profiting from the expansion of industry and trade, and they wanted paintings of themselves and their families, and other familiar artworks. Previously, the Church held all the wealth, now, it was spreading out. I think economic history can explain a lot, and I suspect that Geoffrey Blainey would agree with me.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:01 pm

C’mon Calli, people have snapped over far less.

Of course they have. I was putting myself (rightly or wrongly) forward as a type of control group, no more no less. And don’t think for one second I haven’t been tempted to clock someone with a shovel. 😀

Just not liking the suggestion of some sort of diminished responsibility or extenuating circumstances for murdering a police officer in cold blood.

As for the current obsessions, they are dangerous. Like all obsessions.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 5:02 pm

Put your hand on a hotplate, and see how subjective it is.

It’s has a very real subjective component that evolution has wired to provide the user with a clear message about whats going on objectively. That is not to say that you can tell what subjective experience of the hot plate “feels” like. Anymore than you can tell what the subjective experience of the colour blue is.

If you train AIs on slightly different large data sets they will respond in kind to almost everything even though the concepts can be mapped completely differently in each one.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 13, 2022 5:03 pm

Thanks again John H for that reference to Steven Mithen’s “The Singing Neanderthals: the Origins of Music, Language, Mind and Body”. I’ve spent much of the arvo reading a Review Feature on this book, where it is summarised by the author, followed by four review essays from noted specialists in various disciplines putting in their two bob’s worth. The result is a lively range of differing viewpoints. I’d certainly like to read the whole book. The Feature was concluded with Mithen then responding to the comments.

One linguist said the book was a good read if you liked fiction, which wounded Mithen badly, and he noted that linguists are like that, always missing the point, which I thought was a justified response. I’ve read some linguists attacking Stephen Oppenheimer too re his views on an early Scando influence in pre-Roman Britain, and they were a nasty lot; brutal and misunderstanding there too. Oppenheimer, who has been kind to my Quadrant Arthurian article, seems to appreciate the ‘grand narrative’ approach of drawing together disparate strands into an explanatory theory, which is one I took. More than one of Mithen’s reviewers liked this approach and were suitably generous. Writing against some academic tides can be a minefield when you publish, especially if you work from outside strict disciplinary fields but point out things they have missed. Regardless of snipers, as Mithven says, music needs evolutionary attention as much as speech does; that is the way that paradigms change.

This fascinating debate is at http://www.researchgate.net/publication/41571921

Holistic musical vocalisations as a prior communication form to language, stressing emotive things, seems a reasonable evolutionary hypothesis to me although I’d argue, as reviewers do, with some of Mithen’s model. We can today see Swiss yodelling as an example of capitalising on resonance, and I thought of echoes as sound amplifiers, all discovered as communicative ‘here I ams’ in open habitats as upright stance developed and group life intensified. The croon of a dyadic lullaby and the team vocalisation of war and work has an elemental connection to action, incorporating movement, something which one reviewer sees Mithen as not recognising enough although to be fair he does include mimetic activities (being pretend animals etc). Anyone who has ever lost themselves in dance will recognise that dancing is integral to self and performative to the other and its rhythm and drumbeat is something that resides deep in our communicative repertoire. It can readily bring a crowd of pensioners to wild display once the mood seizes them. It is also a lot easier to sing something than to say it, as the movie The King’s Speech confirms.

Birds, whose vocalisations are both inate and learned, use song and flight together as signifiers.
They learn to use such vocalisations to interact with us; my currawongs do this a lot. So does Attapuss, he has definite vocalisations full of meaning, and they differ according to whether it is me or Hairy who is in his sights.

It’s not too hard to see how language developed from inate and then deliberate contextual rilling expulsive vocalisations as the voicebox evolved further vocalising capacity. Just add that those Neanderthals were dancing chaps and chapettes as well as singin ones.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 5:04 pm

– The perps were killed after 6 hours, by a 16-men tactical-response squad. Why the long delay? What happened during those 6 hours?

That’s the easiest one, since western Darling Downs is a long way from anywhere where there is a swat squad handy. More interesting is why the perps hung around for 6 hours after the initial firefight, rather than taking off.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 5:04 pm

So you don’t think that a man who believes that the government forced him to have injection which subsequently caused a heart attack, is not capable of ‘losing it’.

Sure if was surrounded by cranks dehumanising all cops.

Mater
December 13, 2022 5:05 pm

Just not liking the suggestion of some sort of diminished responsibility or extenuating circumstances for murdering a police officer in cold blood.

I made no such suggestion.

Read this, and people are clearly wondering what the hell happened.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/shock-at-former-school-principal-s-involvement-in-fatal-shootout-20221213-p5c5vz.html

I’m putting forward a hypothesis, which fits, based on very limited information.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 5:06 pm

Mater opened his closet once and the vaxx stared back at him and it had a thousand eyes and it was holding a baby.

He now sleeps with the lights on and holding mummy’s hand.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 5:08 pm

Give it a rest monty.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 5:08 pm

Jorgesays:
December 13, 2022 at 4:53 pm
The media don’t hesitate for even a split second when something like this occurs.
It will be right wing extremists.

the indigenous and two state-employed teachers aspects are being forgotten as we speak.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:09 pm

You did Mater. Couldn’t be clearer.

Mater says:
December 13, 2022 at 4:53 pm
If my theory is even near right, he’s putty in his brothers hands. Very susceptible to manipulation.

And you may be right. But the “putty” would have had to pick up a gun and kill. That would be his choice.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2022 5:09 pm

Four police officers is easily explained by the inexperience of all four, two years experience, one years experience, nine weeks experience, the fourth one or two years experience.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 5:10 pm

He now sleeps with the lights on and holding mummy’s hand.

Somehow I don’t think an ADF veteran who served at the hot end would do that Monty.
The idea is funny though. Were you trying to make a joke?

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 5:10 pm

Anyway, some of them also carry Aboriginal flags and “never ceded sovereignty”.

How could they as there was never an Aboriginal Flag or Aboriginal Nation in 1788. There was no sovereign Nation here. The British arrived with a National Flag from a Sovereign Nation as Settlers for a load of convicts. The local Aboriginal tribes around Port Jackson/Sydney Harbour didn’t even know about their so called ‘relatives’ in Broome, Alice Springs, Cape York/Torres Strait Islands or Tasmania (apologies for leaving anyone out here but I am trying to make a small/big point). There was never any ‘First Nations’ here. They were Tribes and still are with all sorts of different languages which are now dying out. The term ‘First Nations’ was pinched from the Canadian Natives peoples. Get real everyone for goodness sake.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 5:10 pm

What caused this sudden official concern for someone who was “missing” for over 15 months, was his brother interviewed in the meantime?

I gather that he’d been separated from the wife (remained in Walgett) for 15 months, but had remained in contact.

Contact was stopped in October, which probably triggered a ‘please go check on him at his brothers’ house. The bloke’s a nutter, so watch out’ from the wife.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 5:11 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:06 pm

Get back to defending your deviant lot, mOron. They need all the helps you freaks can muster.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 5:12 pm

Riccardo Bosi posts on FB:

[…] Be careful Australia…this smells like a contrived load of … watch em all closely.

He will be among the usual suspects to be rounded up during this investigation.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:12 pm

I’m still wondering how the media will spin an indigenous “far right wing extremist”.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 5:14 pm

Somehow I don’t think an ADF veteran who served at the hot end would do that Monty.

Now he spends his days being a frightbat, running scared from the vaxx like it’s the Jabberwock.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:17 pm

Ahahaha! In other news…

Just looked out over the lake and a black shape bobbed up and swam along the surface. My first thought…a seal has managed to find its way over the swamp and into the lake!

Looked again.

It was a frogman with a snorkel searching for golf balls. 😀

Hope I don’t spy a dorsal fin tomorrow.

duncanm
duncanm
December 13, 2022 5:17 pm

I’m still wondering how the media will spin an indigenous “far right wing extremist”.

simple – they’ll do a Jacinta Price on them. “Caught in the vortex”

struth
struth
December 13, 2022 5:17 pm

So all that trauma admittedly done by the Vax according to Calli.

They kill your relatives and you will go to and you do nothing?

People that let others kill them and their families with no retribution or without seeking justice may have never occurred before in history!

It’s unbelievable.

cohenite
December 13, 2022 5:19 pm

My 2c on young Mr stabby. Sikhs aren’t usually short of coin, go after the family by civil means now there is a conviction. They sound like they are half the problem.

2nd too go thru the magistrates record. Guaranteed to be more of these howlers.

Sophia Beckett. Indigenous. Ex public defender.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 5:19 pm

He now sleeps with the lights on and holding mummy’s hand.

I’ll bet good money that mater has been places that would have you bawling for your mummy, monty fa.

JMH
JMH
December 13, 2022 5:21 pm

rosiesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:09 pm

Four police officers is easily explained by the inexperience of all four, two years experience, one years experience, nine weeks experience, the fourth one or two years experience.

It’s out bush Qld. Nobody expected what was to unfold. However, I do think the seniors at Chinchilla Police have questions that need to be answered, given what was probably known about the offender/s and why they sent ‘juniors’ to the front. It’s disgusting whichever way you look at it.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:21 pm

What would you have me do, struth?

Kill a cop?

Gee up your pals to crime at the other blog. I am impenetrable.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 5:21 pm

Police.

Police police police police police.

What more can you say?

During the Covid panic Police Forces around the country went nuts. Or, rather, they eagerly joined in with the whole drunken orgy that was government responses to Covid. We saw ministers and commissioners rubbing their hands with glee at the opportunity to show how decisive and serious they were.

We also saw some pretty shocking things from police officers themselves – doubtless some being used, but all too many seemed delighted to discover a sadistic brutal streak in themselves, and they could not wait to unleash it on people walking by themselves on near deserted streets without a mask, or sitting on a park bench, or venting frustration on Facebook.

I don’t know if there were efforts within Police Forces to ratchet up alarm and panic amongst front line officers, or to frighten them as to the risks they face and encourage them to resort to lashing out far too readily. Maybe there was a lot. Maybe there was none.

But I have not heard that they refuse to attend car accidents where both humans and metal have been torn open, or refused to go out to a house when some mad man has just thrown his wife through a sliding door, or attended someone’s house to tell them that their son or daughter has just taken their own life, or try to calm down and subdue a freak on meth wielding a brick or broken bottle fighting demons in their own head, or separate to drunks with their arms flailing wildly because of – well, no reason that makes sense really, and so on.

I saw the same footage as everyone else, but if I am attacked or injured I will not think twice about calling for the police and will fully expect that they will be help me in a patient (if slightly bored – hard not to get a little blasé when you confront these extreme situations a few times a week) professional way.

Sure there is heaps to bitch about, and ideally we can winnow the wheat from the chaff, but let’s keep a little perspective here.

And saying anyone who puts on a uniform is a Nazi or Stasi or whatever is the insane ramblings of a madman. It is simply not that simple and, here is something that will curve their mental space like a black hole, as it is it is not that bad because the bad bits are not uniform and ubiquitous.

And one more time…

Police.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 5:23 pm
Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 13, 2022 5:23 pm

J. Rotten, I’m loving your jokes. Taking me back to my early childhood they are. Noah and I were reminiscing about the good ol’ days just recently.

Rabz
December 13, 2022 5:25 pm

Bankman-Fried will be held at MCC, the same dungeon in which Jeffrey Epstein supposedly committed suicide. With his connections with all the Democrats, this is going to be interesting to see if he too suddenly commits suicide

#bankman-fried4arkancide

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 5:27 pm

It’s out bush Qld. Nobody expected what was to unfold. However, I do think the seniors at Chinchilla Police have questions that need to be answered, given what was probably known about the offender/s and why they sent ‘juniors’ to the front.
Huh?
They knew there was already one person shot dead and they sent a young woman with 9 weeks experience to check it out, and she was lucky not to be burnt to death?
More to the story than what the cops are spinning.

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 5:27 pm

Pogria:

All this “equality” shit and all it has done for women is turn them into head to toe pussies.

From what you say, it turned them from empowered women who could stand up for themselves, into ‘victims’ waiting for someone else to save them. I.e the government.

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 5:28 pm

Mother Lodesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:21 pm

Cheers, iv been trying to say the same but been lost for words.

Mater
December 13, 2022 5:28 pm

Now he spends his days being a frightbat, running scared from the vaxx like it’s the Jabberwock.

Ahhhh, Monty, never change.

m0nty
#3518263, posted on July 19, 2020 at 3:25 pm

Monty, assuming that most of those that die (99%+) are very old and seriously ill with other serious medical problems and would likely die in the next 12 months or so.

That is not a serious assumption in the slightest. Take me for instance, I have 30-40 years left in me but if I get the virus I am roughly a 10% chance to die. There are plenty in my position.

m0nty says:
May 26, 2021 at 10:49 pm
Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 13, 2022 5:30 pm

Washington Post Retracts Op-Ed Lamenting the Lack of Black Players on Argentina’s National Soccer Team After Being Lambasted by Argentines

On Thursday, associate professor at the University of Texas at El Paso Erika Denise Edwards voiced her criticism of the team’s racial makeup in an opinion article published in the Washington Post with the title “Why doesn’t Argentina have more Black players in the World Cup?”

On Saturday, La Libertad Avanza, a right-wing populist Argentine political coalition, lambasted Edwards’ hit piece.

“Because we are a country, not a Disney movie,” the party wrote on Twitter.

WaPo was forced to issue a correction stating that the absence of black players was mostly due to the lack of a significant black population.

“Due to an editing error, an earlier version of this piece noted that roughly one percent of the Argentinian population was Black according to a 2010 government released census. While the number of Black people cited was accurate, the percentage was actually far less than one percent and the piece has been amended to state that.”

From the Comments

– 13% America, %95 NFL

What, no virtuous outrage about the lack of white inclusion?

– And 95% of the commercials on TV

– “Because we are a country, not a Disney movie.” Best response ever. Hollywood is committing financial suicide. Shoving perversion, homosexuality, overrepresented black faces, violent, immoral filth, and mindless garbage down people’s throats equals empty theaters.

– Where are all the Redheads?! I demand my Scottish roots be represented NOW!

– Here’s a hot tip WP- there are no white or Asian heroes in Wakanda!

Meanwhile America at its best

Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok

Sam Brinton, Biden’s non-binary nuclear waste guru, has been fired after stealing luggage from 2 airports. If only there had been some warning signs…

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 13, 2022 5:32 pm

Pogria, much as I admire your zest for physical retaliation and somehow think I am one of those who would sort out miscreants, we must admit time has moved on.
Getting Smith immediately after the incident is so old school.
Today, it’s all about public shame, victimhood, and the destruction of his career. Possibly bankruptcy and suicide.
Much more in tune with smashing down da man than mere painful nuts.

Mater
December 13, 2022 5:33 pm

You did Mater. Couldn’t be clearer.

I didn’t, you know, but we’ll agree to disagree.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 5:35 pm

Meanwhile America at its best

Libs of TikTok

Yep, she’s one of the best. A brave and amazing lady!

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 5:35 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:03 pm
Thanks again John H for that reference to Steven Mithen’s “The Singing Neanderthals: the Origins of Music, Language, Mind and Body”. I’ve spent much of the arvo reading a Review Feature on this book, where it is summarised by the author, followed by four review essays from noted specialists in various disciplines putting in their two bob’s worth. The result is a lively range of differing viewpoints. I’d certainly like to read the whole book. The Feature was concluded with Mithen then responding to the comments.

Thanks Lizzie. It is a bit dated now but might still be worth a look. That people disagree with him is understandable because it is a story but that doesn’t mean it isn’t true. So much of anthropology is just a story! I still enjoy reading anthropology. We can’t expect certainty everywhere.

There is a small mountain of neuro and behavioral research into music and rhythm. It is known that for people with some neurologic disorders, Parkinson’s being a prominent example, that humming a tune can have a beneficial effect. One interesting perspective on that is how the neuronal assembles settle into specific frequencies of activity. Alpha, beta, theta, gamma, and other frequencies in very specific regions of the CNS. The bods use those frequencies as markers for pathology and specific cognitive\emotional states. Long ago Walter Freeman but not the one of frontal lobotomy fame, argued for “circular causality” in the brain. Those constant reverberating loops of activity. Music can be like that.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 5:36 pm

Old School Conservativesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:23 pm
J. Rotten, I’m loving your jokes. Taking me back to my early childhood they are. Noah and I were reminiscing about the good ol’ days just recently.

Glad you like them but there are some here that don’t. Anyway, I don’t give a shit. BTW, they are not my jokes. I am just the Messenger along with the Quotes.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2022 5:36 pm

More than likely the cop killers had surveillance going so they knew who was around. On of my mates has a small holding 800 acres, soon as someone turns off into his drive he knows. Has a coil in the road. Soon as they stop to open the gate the camera takes a picture of the car and who opens the gate. He’s not paranoid, just security conscious. He has a shotcut through his property that takes about 30 minutes off the trip to get to the top of his property. People were using it without asking. When they couldn’t get through the locked gate at the top they’d drive through the opening in the fence where he placed several spikes. Nobody ever came back for help. 4 tyres punctured. The pig hunters would come in from the top. His property adjoined a national park.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:38 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:06 pm
Mater opened his closet once and the vaxx stared back at him and it had a thousand eyes and it was holding a baby.

He now sleeps with the lights on and holding mummy’s hand.

m0nty=fa pulls the blanket over his head so that the Nazis under the bed can’t find him.

Mater
December 13, 2022 5:39 pm

Monty ‘The Malmo’ Mauler, takes aim at Mater ‘The Mother’ as a coward.

Good times!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 13, 2022 5:39 pm

Democrat Mega-Donor SBF Arrested Hours Before Facing Questions from Congress

Zeldin: ’Allow him to 1st testify tomorrow and answer our many questions’

Democrat Mega-donor and FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried was arrested in the Bahamas on Monday, just hours before he was scheduled to testify in front of the House Financial Services Committee on Tuesday.

Bankman-Fried was arrested after U.S. authorities filed criminal charges against him, U.S. Attorneys confirmed.

“Earlier this evening, Bahamian authorities arrested Samuel Bankman-Fried at the request of the U.S. Government, based on a sealed indictment filed by the SDNY,” United States Attorney Damian Williams said. “We expect to move to unseal the indictment in the morning and will have more to say at that time.”

However, some politicians quickly pointed out Bankman-Fried’s arrest came just hours before his highly anticipated testimony before Congress.

“Tomorrow, Sam Bankman-Fried was scheduled to testify in front of the House Financial Services Committee. @HouseGOP was ready to grill him six ways to Sunday,” former New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin tweeted. “Now breaking tonight, SBF was just arrested! Why not allow him to 1st testify tomorrow and answer our many questions?”

Bankman-Fried’s scheduled appearance before the House Financial Services Committee on Tuesday came after the disgraced financier previously dodged chairwoman Maxine Waters’s (D-CA) request for him to testify before the committee.

From the Comments

– The FBI/Democrats want him behind bars so he can’t talk.

Just another instance of FBI corruption.

– There are way too many Deep Staters who have way too much to lose if this joker starts talking. I suspect he’ll be Epsteined before he has a chance.

– In Epstein’s Jail Cell with the Video Cameras malfunctioning.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 5:39 pm

“Because we are a country, not a Disney movie,” the party wrote on Twitter.

Or a woke marketing company

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:40 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:10 pm
He now sleeps with the lights on and holding mummy’s hand.

Somehow I don’t think an ADF veteran who served at the hot end would do that Monty.
The idea is funny though. Were you trying to make a joke?

m0nty=fa is just trying.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 13, 2022 5:40 pm

News.com.au have located the father, Ronald Train. He is a retired pastor who went to a Baptist training college. Poor grieving bloke. I assume they’ll now link this to some sort of ultra Christian Nationalism.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 5:40 pm

I saw the same footage as everyone else, but if I am attacked or injured I will not think twice about calling for the police and will fully expect that they will be help me in a patient (if slightly bored – hard not to get a little blasé when you confront these extreme situations a few times a week) professional way.

THAT’s their fkg job.

They are public servants , paid for by OUR taxes and sweat. So please don’t expect me to shed a tear for an arm of the Govt (in Vic anyway) that were happy to brutalize and enthusiastically oppressed the public with glee , when Mad Dan let them off the leash for a couple of years.

Sorry, not sorry.

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 5:41 pm

Gilas:

– Why four police for a “routine” missing persons visit.

They may have been on a familiarisation tour. I did that regularly with new nurses out bush when they first arrived. Where’s the RFDS landing strip, how to turn on the lights for night flyouts, alternate routes when flooding, etc. Just routine familiarisation of the area.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 5:41 pm

A neighbour who apparently came to investigate the fire, presumably to help bring it under control.

So they were carrying Fire Extinguishers?
Course they weren’t.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
December 13, 2022 5:41 pm

I have a relative who is a “blocky” in the Tara (Old) district, about 30km from the police shootings.
There are dozens, if not hundreds of these blockies living on hardscrabble acreage in shacks and sea containers where land is dirt cheap.
Some are tree changers looking for a rural lifestyle, but an awful lot are losers, runaways, junkies or criminals on the run from the law, just about all are feral anti-social weirdos.

The Manson ranch was the precursor to the Queensland blocky lifestyle.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:42 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:12 pm
Riccardo Bosi posts on FB:

[…] Be careful Australia…this smells like a contrived load of … watch em all closely.

He will be among the usual suspects to be rounded up during this investigation.

m0nty=fa salivates at the thought of the Stasi arresting everyone with whom he disagrees politically.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:44 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:14 pm
Somehow I don’t think an ADF veteran who served at the hot end would do that Monty.

Now he spends his days being a frightbat, running scared from the vaxx like it’s the Jabberwock.

The voice of someone who lived in trembling fear of a weak virus for years. No self-awareness at all.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2022 5:44 pm

JR it’s not I don’t like them, I’ve heard them so many times but I told my wife the tight underpants one. She cracked up. I hadn’t heard that one for a long time.

Gilas
Gilas
December 13, 2022 5:46 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
December 13, 2022 at 5:04 pm

– The perps were killed after 6 hours, by a 16-men tactical-response squad. Why the long delay? What happened during those 6 hours?

That’s the easiest one, since western Darling Downs is a long way from anywhere where there is a swat squad handy. More interesting is why the perps hung around for 6 hours after the initial firefight, rather than taking off.

Don’t SWAT teams use helicopters? Especially in a situation like this?
And I agree with your last point, some poor thinking happening here..

The obligatory, unquestioning vilification of the perps, while always glorifying police is a ruler’s strategy older than Magna Carta.
Why do people instictively fall for this?

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 5:46 pm

Now he spends his days being a frightbat, running scared from the vaxx like it’s the Jabberwock.

From the safety of mOron’s basement. Still wearing your mask, mOron?

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 5:47 pm

Jorge:

The media don’t hesitate for even a split second when something like this occurs.
It will be right wing extremists.

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but the scene was being set from the first report – “They were wearing camouflage clothing.” Every article I read had the same or similar. Right Wing Gun Nuts. The media didn’t even stop to check what the story was – just bring out the old shibboleth and smear.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 5:48 pm

So they were carrying Fire Extinguishers?
Course they weren’t.

You do really know fvck all about a lot of things, don’t you, Grogs?

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 5:48 pm

A Welsh man buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool.

After several weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant, and phones a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial insemination.

The farmer doesn’t have the slightest idea what this means but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and instead will lie down and wallow in grass when they are pregnant.

The man hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has to impregnate the sheep himself. So, he loads the sheep into his Land Rover, drives them out into the woods, has sex with them all, brings them back, and goes to bed.

Next morning, he wakes and looks out at the sheep. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he deduces that the first try didn’t take, and loads them in the Land Rover again. He drives them out to the woods, bangs each sheep twice for good measure, brings them back, and goes to bed exhausted.

Next morning, he wakes to find the sheep still just standing round. “Try again” he tells himself, and proceeds to load them up, and drive them out to the woods. He spends all day banging the sheep and upon returning home, falls listlessly into bed.

The next morning, he cannot even raise himself from the bed to look out of the window. He asks his wife to look, and tell him if the sheep are lying in the grass.

“No” she says “they’re all in the frickin’ Land Rover and one of them is beeping the horn”…

LOL. This sounds like Shawn the Sheep for Adults……………………..

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:49 pm

we’ll agree to disagree.

Agreed! With bells on, a pike and half twist…and cheers!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 13, 2022 5:49 pm

I have lost count of the number of times I have punched, kicked, belted and my favourite, head butted some drunken loser who thought he could feel me up as I walked past or tried to pin me against the wall.

Yep. I’ve done a fair bit of punching back and kicking in my early years; pure self-protection. That’s the way it was back then unless some good guy was around to do it for you. I’ve never got to head butting or belting though. A good punch or kick in the shins or a knee high up usually showed unwillingness sufficient to make the pest depart. Most were drunk and tentative anyway, knowing they were going against the rules of the day – that decent men respected women.

I agree that women today don’t really know how to take care of themselves and fall about weeping over nothing very much. When this ruins a silly man’s life I get rather cross about them.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 5:50 pm

Don’t SWAT teams use helicopters? Especially in a situation like this?

There was a report that they shot at the helicopter, Gilas.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 5:51 pm

Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful.

– Albert Schweitzer

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:52 pm

Ed Casesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:41 pm
A neighbour who apparently came to investigate the fire, presumably to help bring it under control.

So they were carrying Fire Extinguishers?
Course they weren’t.

Richard Cranium knows even less about firefighting than he does about politics.

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 5:52 pm

Calli:

I’m still wondering how the media will spin an indigenous “far right wing extremist”.

1. Computer says “no”.
2. *TILT*
3. GOTO1.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 5:55 pm

I am only calling it as I see it, Mater. Did the vaxx throw your ice cream on the ground? Was it the vaxx that made your hair thin out? Why do you act like the vaxx impregnated your cat?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:56 pm

Zulu

Snap re fire extinguishers.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 5:56 pm

THAT’s their fkg job.

They are public servants , paid for by OUR taxes and sweat.

Of course. People who are paid to do jobs requiring physical heft suddenly find that they are stronger. People paid to do boring jobs suddenly have their mental vibrancy reduced. People paid to work on HV transmission towers are don’t value their lives as much when it comes to electrocution as they do when it comes to avoiding car accidents.

Soldiers are paid to risk their lives as well. Shall we dismiss their deaths as being their ‘fkg jobs’?

Maybe a person who takes a risk could be argued to be more valuable because they agree to take a risk.

I would simply argue that people are outright valuable and we should not be too glib about the risks they take because they chose to take it.

I am not going to say that someone’s life is worth less than mine, for example, because they face risks that I have chosen to avoid.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 5:57 pm

One of the best things about the Cafe is the young ones of the season. Sunday I managed to get the northern magpie chick to accept food from my hand for the first time, on the back fence. Today he was so friendly he did it again on the lawn, which is the hardest challenge of all (think taking food from a 20 m tall giant: it’s a bit of an ask). Then mum came over and I gave her some mince too…off goes kid after mum, wah mum I’m hungry!

Just had one of the southern magpie kids on the carport roof, he’s learning about how the Cafe ordering system works. He came within a metre. I think we have business, he and I, in the future.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 5:57 pm

This is all we know for sure:
Nathanael exposed massive corruption in the NSW Education Dept regards NAPLAN Testing, then he went into hiding, then he, his brother, and his brother’s wife were shot dead in a remote part of Queensland.
Only witness is a Policewoman.

Well, we can put down the binoculars, there’s nothing to see here.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 5:58 pm

GreyRangasays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:44 pm
JR it’s not I don’t like them, I’ve heard them so many times but I told my wife the tight underpants one. She cracked up. I hadn’t heard that one for a long time.

That’s alright. I will try and do better. Glad your wife liked that one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 5:59 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:55 pm
I am only calling it as I see it, Mater.

Excess weight is a risk factor for diabetes, diabetes can affect eyesight. Get yours checked, it seems to be defective.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2022 5:59 pm

Mater I hear you’re hiding under the blankets, the next step is in the basenent for 2 years. Fingers in the ears screaming lalalala. Must have a special shute installed for the Krispy Kremes delivery.

Gilas
Gilas
December 13, 2022 6:00 pm

calli says:
December 13, 2022 at 5:50 pm

Don’t SWAT teams use helicopters? Especially in a situation like this?

There was a report that they shot at the helicopter

So… why the 6 hour delay?

The point I’m making, as other Cats have also, is that, just like Russia vs. Ukraine, Trump, Jan 6 et al.., we are constantly being fed container-ship loads of bollocks, carefully curated to suitably impress the masses into correct-think.
If we ever find the truth of this tragedy, it will be in the distant future… if ever.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:01 pm

Ed Case writes:

So they were carrying Fire Extinguishers?
Course they weren’t.

SpongeBob squeaks:
Richard Cranium knows even less about firefighting than he does about politics.
No fire extinguishers, eh?
How were they gonna put the fire out, Spongey?
Sit on it and extinguish the blaze with their bums?

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:02 pm

Ed Casesays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:57 pm
This is all we know for sure:
Nathanael exposed massive corruption in the NSW Education Dept regards NAPLAN Testing, then he went into hiding, then he, his brother, and his brother’s wife were shot dead in a remote part of Queensland.
Only witness is a Policewoman.

Well, we can put down the binoculars, there’s nothing to see here.

Even if there is massive incompetence, let alone corruption, and which there is. This is not the way to go about things.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 6:03 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
December 13, 2022 at 5:47 pm
Jorge:

The media don’t hesitate for even a split second when something like this occurs.
It will be right wing extremists.

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but the scene was being set from the first report – “They were wearing camouflage clothing.” Every article I read had the same or similar. Right Wing Gun Nuts. The media didn’t even stop to check what the story was – just bring out the old shibboleth and smear.

Robert I don’t care if they are right or left wing. It is the extremist part that always concerns me with these people. I am tired of people labelling their political opponents with every vicious appellation they can muster. It’s churlish and breeds extremism. The habit reminds me of something PJ O’Rourke once said about Ann Coulter … she makes the sort of outrageous statements about the Left that I would only make after several hours of boozing(close to that). We all do it occasionally but the habit of it, the continual spewing forth of contempt and hatred, does not make for a good society.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 6:04 pm

The obligatory, unquestioning vilification of the perps, while always glorifying police is a ruler’s strategy older than Magna Carta.
Why do people instictively fall for this?

Wow Gilas, that is a searing hot take when two young police officers have been gunned down in broad daylight while searching for a missing person.

This case doesn’t smell funny. It is what it is: blokes going mad. Whether it was online radicalisation or not will come out in time.

Either way there will be a crackdown on the cookers. Long past time for that tbh.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 13, 2022 6:05 pm

m0nty says:
May 26, 2021 at 10:49 pm
Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.

But nurses in hospital tending to the immediate intimate needs of Covid patients and getting in the early stages of the pandemic high viral loads due to this are fine to go, M0nty? When the Alpha variant was actively on the go, quite a high proportion of young NHS nurses died. Doctors too, but fewer, as they were less exposed to a constant viral attack.

Doctors refusing to see Covid and other patients and requiring only online consultations probably killed people. One of them damn near killed me by refusing me antibiotics over the phone, except for Hairy’s intervention. I now carry a letter from my gastroenterologist saying give the girl what she asks for, no questions.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 6:05 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 6:06 pm

Richard Cranium knows even less about firefighting than he does about politics.

From my experience, if he saw the smoke, he would have gone over to the property to “give a hand” in putting any fire out. He probably wouldn’t have had fire extinguishers, which would have been no use in a bushfire, but extra manpower is always welcome.

bons
bons
December 13, 2022 6:06 pm

We must not permit the authorities to employ the horror of the killing of these young police as a smoke screen to blank out the criminality of police behaviour during the tyranny.
For me the ultimate descent into hellish gangsterism was when they raided funerals.
Even their Gestapo forebears would have baulked at that depravity.
FUCKING ARSEHOLES!

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 6:07 pm

Not a word on Seven about the brothers’ indigenous background. Nothing.

School principal, embittered, fell off the grid.

It’s going to the forgettory guys.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 6:08 pm

Soldiers are paid to risk their lives as well. Shall we dismiss their deaths as being their ‘fkg jobs’?

No, and that is not my point as you well know. So cut the spin ML.

Our soldiers job is to protect us. And those that do I fully respect. Without question. Cops being thugs accosting grannies and beating up on the public because they CAN are an entirely different ball game. .

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:08 pm

So, what Nathanael found was that Education of Aboriginal Children in NSW is set up to fail, but the children are given help to pass the NAPLAN Test.
I can see that the NSW Education Dept wouldn’t be real happy with a Principal announcing that news, but why is the system designed to fail?

Is Tanya Plibersek’s husband still Director General of Education in New South Wales?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2022 6:08 pm

JR its coz we’re a similar vintage and I worked for English companies. Mates old man had a menswear shop. His old man didn’t know me at the time, I went in for a pair of pants, he asked me which side I dressed? I don’t, it’s too short, just sticks straight out. A while later when I met him at my mates place he remembered and repeated what happened. Everyone had a laugh at my expense.

cohenite
December 13, 2022 6:09 pm

Whether it was online radicalisation or not will come out in time.

Either way there will be a crackdown on the cookers.

But not radical blm and 3rd nation activists.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 6:10 pm

It’s going to the forgettory guys.

told ya

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:11 pm

From my experience, if he saw the smoke, he would have gone over to the property to “give a hand” in putting any fire out. He probably wouldn’t have had fire extinguishers, which would have been no use in a bushfire, but extra manpower is always welcome.

Car on fire.
Obviously not a bushfire, extinguisher required.
The entire story sounds like horseshit, and it probably is.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 6:11 pm

Guys…is it possible for you to set aside your antipathy towards the police for just ONE DAY and imagine what happened to those two young officers? And have some sympathy for them and their families?

Some of you sound like the very people you despise. Cranks and obsessives. Knock it off.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:12 pm

Either way there will be a crackdown on the cookers. Long past time for that tbh.

MontyPox Virus you Twat. A Cooker is a cooking device/thingy. It could be in the Family Kitchen hiding as a cooking device which is now called by Posh people as an Oven. It cooks food. Whereas these drugs that you seem to be taking cook your head in. So cook on and have some fun in the unreal world that you live in which makes up names to suit your lunacy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 6:13 pm

Car on fire.
Obviously not a bushfire, extinguisher required.

Car on fire produces a different sort of smoke to a bushfire…

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 13, 2022 6:14 pm

told ya

Well I was surprised.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 6:16 pm

Except that I’m not arguing that. I even indicated in previous comments a problem with the idea of subjectivity (and objectivity) and the metaphysics behind them. All I’ve said here is that I find nothing weird in experience having a greater tole than a concept in people’s minds.

You are completely missing the point. Nearly all experiences have no impact on our worldview. Psychedelics can profoundly change the way we see the world. Fire can’t treat anxietyh, PTSD, depression etc. A single dose of psychedelics can have therapeutic effects for months afterwards. Fire doesn’t which is why the analogy is hopelessly mistaken.

You’re just repeating the same mistake you made before, and not only that, nothing about subjectivity requires you to have the ‘same’ experience. But even leaving all that aside, my point re experience and concept still stands.

You conveniently ignore my point that fire has effects completely independent of our subjective experience. I know that a fire burning at x degrees will melt A. We don’t know what will happen with psychedelics or NDEs or people undergoing conversion experiences. These are fundamentally different phenomena to fire. That’s why the analogy fails.

m0nty
December 13, 2022 6:16 pm

Oh do shut up Johnny, you old bore.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:16 pm

Guys…is it possible for you to set aside your antipathy towards the police for just ONE DAY and imagine what happened to those two young officers? And have some sympathy for them and their families?

Take your own advice and give the emotional blackmail schtick a rest for a few days.
No one will miss it.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 6:17 pm

Guys…is it possible for you to set aside your antipathy towards the police for just ONE DAY and imagine what happened to those two young officers? And have some sympathy for them and their families?

Sure calli. As soon as I see a proper public apology from Police Commissioners for their force’s appallingly brutal behavior during the covid lockdowns and their thugs in uniform up on charges- then I’ll have sympathy.

Until then, not sorry and no sympathy. They have to own it.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:17 pm

No, and that is not my point as you well know. So cut the spin ML.

How would you know what I know, you know?

Your argument seems to be that soldiers do good (I do not doubt this is overwhelmingly true) but that all police must be treated as complicit in every abominable thing some police have done.

And if so then this is a little different to the argument that they have accepted risks and we own them because we pay them salaries.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:17 pm

GreyRangasays:
December 13, 2022 at 6:08 pm
JR its coz we’re a similar vintage and I worked for English companies. Mates old man had a menswear shop. His old man didn’t know me at the time, I went in for a pair of pants, he asked me which side I dressed? I don’t, it’s too short, just sticks straight out. A while later when I met him at my mates place he remembered and repeated what happened. Everyone had a laugh at my expense.

I agree. So funny. A friend of mine was in the exact sort of situation back in England. The Tailor asked him on what side he dressed (and this was in 1969 BTW) and he said ‘Normally over by the window’………….LOL

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:18 pm

Car on fire produces a different sort of smoke to a bushfire…

Incredible, your IQ just increased 20 pts.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:20 pm

Car on fire produces a different sort of smoke to a bushfire…

Car fires cause global warming. Bushfires (and volcanoes and private jets to climate confabs) do not.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:21 pm

Until then, not sorry and no sympathy. They have to own it.

Really low grade comment.
You’re not an Agent Provocateur, by any chance?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Gilas, SERT (the QPlod Darth Vader shooty-shooty squad) HQ to the scene of the murders is a good two to three hours in a chopper.
Add time to get their togs on & other butch activities (every 5 minute of prep pushes the ETA back), plus time to get into position after arriving, & a good part of that 6 hrs is used up.

The chopper is unlikely to land right atop where the owlhoots are holed up, so there’s another 10 mins or so to reposition from the LZ to the scene.

Also, it is at times amazing how few spaces are available to land a chopper in timbered country, & at night it can be trickier, especially if there is nobody on the ground who knows what is required & thinks they can land anywhere.
“Land on the road mate, you’ll have at least 6 inches of clearance between the power line on one side & solid ironbark trees on the other, I know coz I just measured it”

And it was after dark, always a fun time to land a chopper in strange bush country.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:23 pm

I am feeling nostalgic.

Here goes…

Fuck off, Septimus.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:23 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 6:16 pm
Oh do shut up Johnny, you old bore.

If that is your best shot then you need a better script writer. You, as Dr Spooner once said, ‘Are a shining wit’…………………..

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Oh do shut up Johnny, you old bore.

Lol. You’re in no position to call anybody a “bore”
Belt up yourself, you braying Cookerburra.

cohenite
December 13, 2022 6:26 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:29 pm

Monty is a lesson in firearms

He is a big bore, but he is also of a small calibre.

Consequently he rattles down the barrel when discharging and goes off in unexpected directions, never hitting his target.

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 6:30 pm

How would you know what I know, you know?

Well smartarse, read what I said. It’s in English , plain language so comprehension shouldn’t be a challenge. You’re not that stupid so I’ve simply concluded you are spinning my meaning to your advantage.

I don’t wish cops harm or death at all. But as this has happened , I’m showing them the same sympathy and compassion handed out to us over 18 miserable months of their constant oppression.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:30 pm

An attorney arrived home late, after a very tough day trying to get a stay of execution. His last-minute plea for clemency to the governor had failed and he was feeling worn out and depressed.

As soon as he walked through the door at home, his wife started on him about, ‘What time of night to be getting home is this? Where have you been? Dinner is cold and I’m not reheating it’. And on and on and on.

Too shattered to play his usual role in this familiar ritual, he poured himself a shot of whiskey and headed off for a long hot soak in the bathtub, pursued by the predictable sarcastic remarks as he dragged himself up the stairs.

While he was in the bath, the phone rang. The wife answered and was told that her husband’s client, James Wright, had been granted a stay of execution after all. Wright would not be hanged tonight.

Finally realising what a terrible day he must have had, she decided to go upstairs and give him the good news.

As she opened the bathroom door, she was greeted by the sight of her husband, bent over naked, drying his legs and feet.

“They’re not hanging Wright tonight” she said.

He whirled around and screamed “FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOMAN! DON’T YOU EVER STOP!?”

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:32 pm

Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.

– Bruce Lee

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Just on Walgett High School, sounds like a real lotta rootin’ mighta gone on there, too.
Not all of it Male Teacher/Underage hottie, either.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 6:41 pm

Ed Case writes:

So they were carrying Fire Extinguishers?
Course they weren’t.

SpongeBob squeaks:
Richard Cranium knows even less about firefighting than he does about politics.
No fire extinguishers, eh?
How were they gonna put the fire out, Spongey?
Sit on it and extinguish the blaze with their bums?

Thanks for confirming my point.

Try beaters, back spray packs, rakes, even green branches. You should get out more.

Robert Sewell
December 13, 2022 6:44 pm

Johnny Rotten:
Which reminds me of the famous London Men’s Clothiers who were amazing with their service.
Walk in the door and get on inside leg measurement – even if you only wanted a hat.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 13, 2022 6:45 pm

It’s great hearing your bird cafe stories, Bruce.
A bit of animal life can make all the difference to a blog. 🙂

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:45 pm

Well smartarse

Hey! Leave my arse out of it!

As you reiterate in your second paragraph you are tarring all police with the brush that is dipped in the muck of less than all.

I find it really disturbing that your response to these executed police officers, of whom you can know next to nothing, is tainted by the outrage you feel toward those in the police department who behaved so abhorrently.

The image that comes to mind for me is that of one of the police in QLD (I think of the 26yo woman) lying on the ground, eyes filled with terror and gasping for breath, watching while that monster stands over her training his gun to snuff her lights out – and thinking “well, it is not so bad because some senior officer in Brisbane was a dickhead.”

bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 6:45 pm

I’m showing them the same sympathy and compassion handed out to us over 18 miserable months of their constant oppression.

How do you know they didn’t have sympathy?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2022 6:47 pm

Ed Casesays:
December 13, 2022 at 6:11 pm
From my experience, if he saw the smoke, he would have gone over to the property to “give a hand” in putting any fire out. He probably wouldn’t have had fire extinguishers, which would have been no use in a bushfire, but extra manpower is always welcome.

Car on fire.
Obviously not a bushfire, extinguisher required.
The entire story sounds like horseshit, and it probably is.

Richard we all (except you, of course), know that you are a bit slow, but had you read the reports you would have been aware that one of the policewomen hid in some scrub. The killers set the scrub on fire to try to flush her out. Bushfire, not car on fire.

Ease up on the horseshit.

calli
calli
December 13, 2022 6:49 pm

Lol. That shovel in the shed is tempting me…

It now has a name…the schtick stick.

Mater
December 13, 2022 6:50 pm

I am only calling it as I see it, Mater.

How do you do that from under the basement guest bed, with only your left eye open, from behind the pages of talking points?

Did the vaxx throw your ice cream on the ground?

Yes, it could see you were hungry. You should watch your hygiene. You do, after all, have a brittle constitution, and a fragile heartilage.

Was it the vaxx that made your hair thin out?

Not yet. Did yours get through the subcutaneous fat? Clever ploy to avoid the heart issue…well done.

Why do you act like the vaxx impregnated your cat?

It saves me blaming the true perpetrator. I’ve decided to forgive you instead.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 6:54 pm

Last night Russians used my last two coffee pods for my quasi-espresso actual-machine.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 6:55 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
December 13, 2022 at 6:44 pm
Johnny Rotten:
Which reminds me of the famous London Men’s Clothiers who were amazing with their service.
Walk in the door and get on inside leg measurement – even if you only wanted a hat.

Must have been a great hat with a nice inside leg………………….lol

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 6:56 pm

the atlantic – for some reason it copied the whole article, but its such a woke wank I have left it all in.-LONG

Elon Musk Is a Far-Right Activist
One tweet says it all.

If there’s one tweet that will tell you everything you need to know about Elon Musk, it’s this one from early this morning:

Elon Musk
@elonmusk
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci

In five words, Musk manages to mock transgender and nonbinary people, signal his disdain for public-health officials, and send up a flare to far-right shitposters and trolls. The tweet is a cruel and senseless play on pronouns that also invokes the right’s fury toward Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, for what they believe is a government overreach in public-health policy throughout the pandemic and an obfuscation of the coronavirus’s origins. (Fauci, for his part, has said he would cooperate with any possible investigations and has nothing to hide.)

Beyond its stark cruelty, this tweet is incredibly thirsty. As right-wing troll memes go, it is Dad-level, 4chan–Clark Griswold stuff, which is to say it’s desperate engagement bait in the hopes of attracting kudos from the only influencers who give Musk the time of day anymore: right-wing shock jocks. But that is the proper company for the billionaire, because whether or not he wants to admit it, Musk is actively aiding the far right’s political project. He is a right-wing activist.

Currently, Musk’s politics are a subject of debate in the press. On Saturday, The New York Times’ Jeremy W. Peters attempted to offer a nuanced portrait of the Twitter owner’s ideologies, arguing that Musk “continues to defy easy political categorization.” But Peters’ laundry list of Musk’s recent lib-trolling and “woke” scolding—such as Musk’s November recommendation to his millions of followers to vote Republican—undermines the very thesis of the article. The nuance Peters is looking for does not exist: Musk’s actions and associations make a clear case that he is a right-wing reactionary.

Musk, for his part, has maintained that he is a centrist, that his politics have remained unchanged, and that it is the Democratic Party that has veered dramatically leftward. (Musk and Twitter did not immediately respond to a request for comment.) Musk’s logic—that wayward leftism has given a lifelong moderate liberal no choice but to support right-wing causes—is a common trope among far-right activists. It has been employed by many in the so-called Intellectual Dark Web and influencers such as Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan, Glenn Greenwald, and others. The argument stretches far back in American politics. The neoconservative movement in the United States was originated by liberals who grew disillusioned with the Democratic Party, especially in relation to the left’s Vietnam protests.

Beyond Musk’s political affiliations, his actual political convictions—by which I mean the bedrock set of values, ideologies, and organizing principles through which he sees the world and wishes it to be structured—are a slightly different conversation. Here, I tend to agree with The Verge’s Liz Lopatto, who wrote recently that Musk doesn’t really have political beliefs, only personal interests. But one can have vapid or nonexistent political beliefs and still be a political activist. Political activism is about actions. Here’s what those actions look like in practice:

Publicly, Musk appears deeply committed to the right’s culture war against progressivism in most forms. His purchase of Twitter was an explicitly political act couched in the notion of preserving free speech. But Musk’s notion of free speech is a broad course correction that involves amplifying and advancing the interests of right-wing reactionaries while trolling the left. Musk might argue that this is restoring balance to the system, but if we are judging based only on actions and outcomes, it is very hard to see his tenure at Twitter as anything other than a series of policies intended to benefit a particular ideology.

Musk also simply loves palling around with far-right influencers on Twitter. A scroll through his Twitter replies is a rather remarkable document of a man who has (or at least had) more money than any other human being in the history of humanity, a fair amount of power, and an endless supply of options for how to spend his time, and who chooses to spend his time as a reply guy for prominent MAGA voices, such as a user who goes by the handle @catturd2 and Turning Points USA’s Charlie Kirk.

In a similar fashion, Musk’s “Twitter Files” project, for which he has been releasing Twitter’s old internal documents concerning controversial content-moderation decisions to independent journalists, is an attention spectacle dressed up in the style of investigative journalism designed to delight Musk’s Twitter friends. As I wrote on Friday, some of the internal conversations and screenshots from Musk’s company are fascinating documents that shed light on the intractable problem of content moderation at scale. But they are presented in a blatantly partisan and misleading manner, and have been released only to journalists who share Musk’s pet ideological issues: that the mainstream media is ethically bankrupt, that social media and most elite institutions are biased and colluding with the government.

The hypocrisy at the center of Musk’s Twitter tenure is crucial to the understanding of Musk’s political activism. He has championed ideals of free-speech maximalism and amnesty to those who’ve offended his rules. Twitter, under his management, has let back on organizers of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; neo-Nazis such as Andrew Anglin; and January 6–investigation personalities such as Roger Stone. At the same time, Twitter has suspended accounts that have mocked Musk or expressed left-leaning views. Whether intentionally or not, Musk has, in effect, been governing Twitter using the classic Frank Wilhoit maxim: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Put differently, the billionaire has been advancing a long-running right-wing political project described recently by my colleague Adam Serwer as a “belief in a new constitutional right. Most important, this new right supersedes the free-speech rights of everyone else: the conservative right to post.”

Why is Musk doing all of this? The answer is reasonably simple. Musk’s far-right activism clearly seems to be, like all else in his life, personally motivated, not by a strong political ideology or value system but, as Lopatto argues, by the accumulation of money and “being perceived as a visionary who will reshape human society.” Musk is interested in preserving the political values and systems that keep him on top as a revered member of culture. It’s a philosophy that the writer John Ganz has described as “bossism” or “bosses on top.” For Musk, right-wing activism serves that role. Musk’s tweets—like his dismissive tweet this morning, or his concerning insinuations that, perhaps, his former trust-and-safety employees did not stop child-exploitation posts for motivated reasons—are cruel for the shallowest reasons: because they are likely to draw engagement to the platform that Musk has plunged into financial uncertainty, due to both his piling on of debt and his alienation of advertisers.

But even as a far-right shitposter, Musk is hapless. Unlike somebody such as Donald Trump, who remains the Twitter troll template, Musk is a try-hard. And although the Twitter shock jocks will happily lap him up because he triggers the libs and serves their purposes, Musk is still seen as a dilettante by the inveterate shitposters and bigots. Over on 4chan, the far-right message board, Musk’s Fauci tweet barely merited discussion. “Elon is just being controversial to drive traffic to his website,” one poster mused. Even in his thirsty attempts to be an edgelord, Musk is failing to be anything other than cringey.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 6:57 pm

The Younger Dryas, 12,000 years ago, was racist.

Ancient Apocalypse & Graham Hancock’s “Dangerous Ideas” (13 Dec)

It never ceases to amaze me what seemingly innocuous ideas the establishment media find ‘dangerous’ or ‘controversial’.

“Netflix recently released an eight-part documentary series titled Ancient Apocalypse, where Graham Hancock (who has a been a household name for “alternative archeology” since the release of his book ‘Fingerprints of the Gods’ in 1995), introduces us to his central theory that human civilisation is considerably older than current archeological orthodoxy believes, but that most evidence for this was wiped out by a colossal natural disaster around 12,000 years ago.

These questions might sound intriguing to you, or you may be indifferent to them, or you may even vehemently disagree with them, but I bet you didn’t know they were racist, did you?

That’s right. Racist. Don’t believe me, you conspiracy theorist? Just ask the Guardian.”

Sometimes I despair at the sheer insanity we have to live with day to day, even though I try hard to avoid reading anything from Monty’s favourite newspaper.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2022 6:59 pm

Daily Mail.

Graphic new details emerge about how the ambush of a group of young police officers unfolded: They honked their horn, jumped the fence – and died in hail of bullets

Four officers attended property in Wieambilla, west of Brisbane on Monday
Nathaniel and brother Gareth Train, along with his wife Stacey opened fire
Two officers,  Rachel McCrow, 29, and Matthew Arnold, 26, were shot dead
A neighbour who ran to investigate, Alan Dare, 58, was also killed in crossfire
Terror continued for five hours before trio were shot dead at 10.30pm
Two other officers were able to miraculously escape, with one shot in the leg

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 7:00 pm

m0ntysays:
December 13, 2022 at 1:03 pm
Just because he thought Bosi and Guru weren’t hardcore enough doesn’t mean he wasn’t a cooker.

Didn’t he say Bosi and the other guy were Spooks and complete fakes?

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 7:01 pm

My heart fairly bleeds ML. Your outpouring of sympathy is touching.

I’ve had this discussion on here before and stated the same. And I’m betting there are many more like me. In Vic they are badly struggling with police recruitment as members leave in droves.

It was a cop in charge of the Vic Covid emergency response that ultimate killed over 600 elderly. Still Scott free and a promotion I think.

Nah, you have enough wet eye sympathy for a postcode . Off you go with it.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 13, 2022 7:01 pm

it’s too short, just sticks straight out

Ah, so what you are saying is you are a grower not a shower, GreyRanga.

JC
JC
December 13, 2022 7:02 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 13, 2022 at 6:24 pm

Oh do shut up Johnny, you old bore.

Lol. You’re in no position to call anybody a “bore”
Belt up yourself, you braying Cookerburra.

Another quality comment from Labor Royalty.

Grumbles
Grumbles
December 13, 2022 7:03 pm

Not condoning or condemning anyone, but I have questions. Who was concerned for the guys welfare? Why 4 cops to the address? The official story is lacking at best and completely fabricated at worst. It’s hard to call it a tragedy when I’m not confident of a single fact.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 7:05 pm
JC
JC
December 13, 2022 7:06 pm

It was a cop in charge of the Vic Covid emergency response that ultimate killed over 600 elderly. Still Scott free and a promotion I think.

Nah, you have enough wet eye sympathy for a postcode . Off you go with it.

A cop got out of a truck which was marked Critical Response unit. I asked him if it was military garb he was wearing and if there was invasion. He was pretty shocked and told me to ” bugger off”.

JC
JC
December 13, 2022 7:07 pm

He even had a bullet proof vest on… while he’s heading to get a coffee.

Jorge
Jorge
December 13, 2022 7:12 pm

Every media report carries pics of the two killed officers. Innocent, smiling, young, the world ahead of them. You can’t help but be sad but there is a lot of manipulation going on.

I don’t know if any of the Iranian National Guard or the Chinese cops who are always shown in black riot gear would evoke the same response if we heard about their deaths.

What some Australians in Covid lockdown experienced was not so different to China or Iran. Some cops relished it and they did go political as their response to the BLM protest march showed.

They didn’t deserve to die, though. That is awful.

Cassie of Sydney
December 13, 2022 7:13 pm

“It’s going to the forgettory guys.”

Of course, doesn’t fit the narrative.

Oh and I see that despicable grub here, a moral cretin who spends most of his time in a basement somewhere in Victoria (and he has the chutzpah to accuse others here of being “incels”) was quick, very quick, to start posting about “cookers”, whatever the fuck they are, and conspiracies, and Bosi, and far-right and even the freedom protests held across the country, desperately trying to smear anyone who’s right of centre and somehow tie it in with the murderous trio who gunned down the two policemen and the neighbour yesterday afternoon. What a disgrace. My God he’s a grub, and that’s unkind to grubs. It amazes me how excited he gets whenever a tragedy like this occurs, he desperately tries to pin it on his political and ideological foes, it’s like manna from heaven for him. But we shouldn’t be surprised by this, nobody smears like the left and he, the fat grub, is an expert at it. Punch a Nazi and all that.

What happened yesterday in Queensland is a tragedy and the perpetrators who committed those murders were evil. Looking at the faces of those two young constables, my heart aches for their lost lives and their families. I often ponder why evil happens, I believe in God and I struggle as to why God allows these things happen. It’s hard to reconcile this at times. The Jewish belief is that when we were in the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve ate the apple, we were gifted free will, and that free will gives us the ability to be good and bad, to do good things and to do bad and evil things. I know, I know, such theology is little comfort to those who’s lives have been lost.

But back to the grub and his obsession about “cookers” and so on, almost two years ago, an elderly couple named Maurice Antill, who was 87, and his wife, Zoe Antill, who was 86, were butchered (decapitated) in their own Brisbane home by a piece of vomit by the name of Raghe Abdi. Remember how the MSM and so on covered that? It disappeared, it was very quickly, pushed down the forgettory box. But remember our very own grub? He said little to nothing about it at the time. And then a few weeks later, on Australia Day 2021, a young couple in Brisbane (she was pregnant), took their dogs for a walk and were deliberately murdered by a minor who ran them down. That was quickly confined to the forgettory too, because the perpetrator was “indigenous”.

Evil is evil, whether it’s young police gunned down, an elderly couple decapitated, or a couple deliberately run over whilst walking their dog on a hot summer day. It’s just that there are grubs like our own resident grub who just love to be selective about violence. After all, he is on the record here writing about how some have “legitimate grievances” to practice violence, but here’s the rub, if he and his fellow grubs persist in making excuses and/or covering the violence practiced by some, then why shouldn’t those same excuses apply to others who want to commit violence?

Anyway, just some rambling thoughts on a sad day.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
December 13, 2022 7:13 pm

From the Telegraph;

Shocking footage has emerged of a teenage girl belting a boy, who refused to retaliate.

Well done that young man. Dignity under pressure and moral values many could only aspire to.
Congratulations to his parents for bringing up a decent kid.

I have a theory that young people who play contact sport react better in situations like the above than those who don’t know temporary pain from a broken arm.

Cassie of Sydney
December 13, 2022 7:15 pm

“who’s lives have been lost”

whose lives have been lost.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2022 7:17 pm

Ex-Twitter censor Yoel Roth and his boyfriend are forced to FLEE their $1.1m home after Elon Musk shared his thesis, which supported letting children use gay hook-up app Grindr

News today is that Roth had a second Twitter account that was quite, um, raunchy, which he’s now deleted. Amazing what Lefties are prepared to say in public.

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 7:17 pm

JCsays:
December 13, 2022 at 7:02 pm
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
December 13, 2022 at 6:24 pm

Oh do shut up Johnny, you old bore.

Lol. You’re in no position to call anybody a “bore”
Belt up yourself, you braying Cookerburra.

Another quality comment from Labor Royalty.

O dear. Jerky Crunt has just got back from his/her/its/whatever big lunch and the pub and is crapping on as usual. Hats on everyone – Incoming………………..

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 7:19 pm
bespoke
bespoke
December 13, 2022 7:23 pm

Shocking footage has emerged of a teenage girl belting a boy, who refused to retaliate.

Everyone has a right to defend themselves.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 7:24 pm
Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 7:30 pm

2022.12.12 The Coming Autogolpe in the USA

Hard to find fault in what he says

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 7:33 pm

It was a cop in charge of the Vic Covid emergency response that ultimately killed over 600 elderly,(most of whom died ALONE).

Corruption and ineptitude , using their uniforms and badges to beat up on innocents. They would make SS thugs blush.

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2022 7:36 pm

dover0beachsays:
December 13, 2022 at 7:08 pm
You are completely missing the point. Nearly all experiences have no impact on our worldview. Psychedelics can profoundly change the way we see the world. Fire can’t treat anxietyh, PTSD, depression etc. A single dose of psychedelics can have therapeutic effects for months afterwards. Fire doesn’t which is why the analogy is hopelessly mistaken.

No I’m not. The fact that fire can’t treat X or Y whereas psychedelics can is neither here nor there and only goes to show you hopelessly misunderstand analogy per se as that difference is irrelevant so far as the analogy is concerned. Moreover, to begin with, I never said fire is like psychedelics, I used the experience of ‘fire’ compared with the concept of fire simply as a means of illustrating, could have used many other things, the gap between the experience and the concept, which suggests that what you found is not weird at all.

No, you won’t admit that fire was a bad analogy. You refuse to acknowledge that even the use of analogies requires some level of concordance with the phenomena in question. You didn’t choose many other things, you chose fire, you chose in error.

It is not me alone that is fascinated by the impact of psychedelics on human behavior. It has been of great interest down the centuries and is now an area of intense research. There is even the “Stoned Ape Theory”. I think it is rubbish but that people go there highlights that the experience of psychedelics demands an explanation and is not just another trivial experience. Other drugs don’t have that impact, even other drugs that alter serotonin levels don’t cause the sweeping changes in belief structures; especially given the changes often involve a shift from materialism to dualism, pantheism, theism, life after death etc. Religious motifs figure very prominently in psychedelic induced changes. It might be interesting to compare the types of changes that occur physically and cognitively with Persinger’s “God Helmet”. That points to temporal lobe involvement and temporal lobe epilepsy can also have related effects. The foregoing highlights the context of my thinking.

There is something very weird about how psychedelics impact on human behavior and as the old saying goes in any discipline find the strangest thing and explore it. You don’t want to explore it. That’s fine but don’t pretend that your lack of interest is justified on some rational and informed basis.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2022 7:36 pm

Nah, you have enough wet eye sympathy for a postcode . Off you go with it.

You seem determined to insist every police officer is culpable for the excesses of those who decided to sign up for politics and other sorts of opportunism.

Every bit of mania we saw during the coif was the interaction between individuals, not the uniform will of the whole.

You honestly think the significance deaths of these low level officers is ameliorated by the malign ruminations of some of their seniors? You think that, in a way, some cosmic justice is being served?

You must be a habitue of the furniture shop, where everyone enjoys the individual right to serve as part of the collective.

One day you may well be lying desperate on the ground. It must be a great relief to you to think that someone balking at helping you because of what some remote associate of yours may have said or done is at least consigning you to whatever agony because you kind of deserve it.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Boambee John says: December 13, 2022 at 6:47 pm
Bushfire, not car on fire.

Overhead video footage this morning revealed a burnt out vehicle in the clearing in front of the house.

One of the reports last night (when details if reported at all were limited & very fluid) was that the neighbour had “run over to investigate a car fire”
A burning car certainly woulda made lotsa black smoke & be unusual enough to attract some attention; “Is everything alright over at Trainey’s place? Don’t like the look of that fire

According to the 7News reporter the hulk by the house was a “burnt out police car”

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 7:37 pm

They didn’t deserve to die, though. That is awful.

Deserve? Never stated from what I see , just your embellishment.

Zipster
Zipster
December 13, 2022 7:41 pm
Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 7:42 pm

You honestly think the significance deaths of these low level officers is ameliorated by the malign ruminations of some of their seniors? You think that, in a way, some cosmic justice is being served?

No lame brain. What I have stated clearly is that I am withholding my sympathy and compassion for strangers with badges for the very valid reasons I have stated. And any amount of your pathetic verballing can’t change that.

On the other hand, you along with other lemmings can feel free to cry buckets if you wish. I’ll send you a carton of Kleenex to help get over it.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 7:42 pm
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2022 7:46 pm

Always defend yourself. It becomes a mindset not to, then you accept other transgressions that you don’t deserve. If you don’t fight back the same person will be emboldened further. Standing your ground is a defence mechanism as is sarcasm. If you’re going to cop a flogging make sure it hurts the other person too. Most bullies hurt more from sarcasm than physical pain.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Johnny Rotten says: December 13, 2022 at 7:17 pm
O dear. Jerky Crunt has just got back from his/her/its/whatever big lunch and the pub and is crapping on as usual. Hats on everyone – Incoming………………..

More likely a Belgian Beer cafe, or a wine bar, perhaps a licenced coffee shop. Somewhere safe, almost certainly with plants & things inside to create a comfortable queer-eye-for-the-straight-guy type atmosphere.
It won’t have been the pub, coz pubs may have men in them who won’t tolerate boorish conduct.

cohenite
December 13, 2022 7:47 pm

Oh dear: bolta intensifying the feud with Latham.

Indolent
Indolent
December 13, 2022 7:48 pm

The discussion on Assange starts at 24 min.

Why is Establishment Media Finally Defending Julian Assange?

Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2022 7:48 pm

The Hypocrisy Behind the Vaccines

From Armstrong Economics –

COMMENT: Am I just outright stupid, or is something seriously wrong with the majority of people? Bill Gates had his summit on overpopulation and how this is a serious crisis. Yet then he claims he can reduce disease and save the population with vaccines. Gates especially seems to want to save humanity which he on the other hand says is the problem. Something is just not right.

REPLY: Look, the real problem is the media. We no longer have media organizations willing to actually report the truth on any of these political issues or ever do any serious investigation. Gates held a secret gathering to sell his agenda to reduce the world’s population. The Guardian reported that they are known as the “Good Club” which seems to be the same marketing ploy used for ensuring your death which they call life insurance. Fire, theft, and accident insurance are called by their proper name.

They could never sell “Death insurance” so they inverted the name by calling it life insurance and then everyone was willing to buy it. They have done the same thing with ABORTION. They flipped it from the extermination of a child arguing it has no human right until it is born, and they championed it as a Woman’s Right to decide her own body. Justice Ginsberg made it clear that it was NEVER about woman’s rights, it was all about reducing the population of minorities that Gates’ father championed Planned Parenthood and stuck his clinics in minority areas.

Here, they market themselves as the “Good Club” which can only mean one thing – this is the evil meeting that is more akin to a war room. The Guardian wrote:

The names of some of the members are familiar figures: Bill Gates, George
Soros, Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, David Rockefeller and Ted Turner. But
there are others, too, like business giants Eli and Edythe Broad, who are
equally wealthy but less well known. All told, its members are worth $125bn.
The meeting – called by Gates, Buffett and Rockefeller – was held in
response to the global economic downturn and the numerous health and
environmental crises that are plaguing the globe. It was, in some ways, a
summit to save the world.

It was at this meeting that Gates sought to get others to join him and his real goal of reducing the population using the 2007-2009 financial crisis as an excuse to get together despite the fact it was caused by overleveraged mortgages. Instead, Gates cleverly steered the meeting to his real objective global health issues such he blended with overpopulation and disease.

I find it unimaginable how you can be so obsessed with overpopulation and then want to create vaccines to increase the population. Worst still, not a single mainstream media has the guts to ever be a real media organization anymore.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/population/the-hypocrisy-behind-the-vaccines/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Makka
Makka
December 13, 2022 7:49 pm

Every bit of mania we saw during the coif was the interaction between individuals, not the uniform will of the whole.

You are clueless. Each night a curfew. Ring of steel. 5 km rule. Nightly tellie with the Black Shirts threatening violence against transgressors. Beatings, house invasions, brutality, running people down with the divvie van… for over 18 months. Those involved were from Ministers and HQ down to local plod. They were ALL in on it, all levels.

So please stfu with your sanctimonious handwringing and go off and kiss some plod arse. You’ll feel better I’m sure.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 13, 2022 7:55 pm

You are clueless. Each night a curfew. Ring of steel. 5 km rule. Nightly tellie with the Black Shirts threatening violence against transgressors. Beatings, house invasions, brutality, running people down with the divvie van… for over 18 months. Those involved were from Ministers and HQ down to local plod. They were ALL in on it, all levels.

Wrong state dickhead.

Ed Case
Ed Case
December 13, 2022 7:55 pm

Remember Grant Wahl, the 40 something Sports journalist who didn’t drop dead of The Vax in Qatar?
Well, believe it or not, his wife was Biden’s “former White House Covid Advisor”

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