Open Thread – Tue 10 Jan 2023


The Siesta, Camille Pissarro, 1899


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calli
calli
January 10, 2023 12:39 pm

Nothing the gatekeepers are allowing out about Covid is particularly earth shattering. Most of the stuff they’re “finding out” was discussed on SincCat in2020-21, and here afterwards.

As for “effective”, I still haven’t caught the stupid thing, or if I have I haven’t noticed. Whereas some of the unvaxxed here have caught it.

Seems to be a lottery of some sort.

Pogria
Pogria
January 10, 2023 12:40 pm
Bar Beach Swimmer
January 10, 2023 12:45 pm

If you can feel that staying human is worth while, even when it can’t have any result whatever, you’ve beaten them.

— George Orwell

That quote just came up on the home page of New Cat – it bears repeating. On that, FD, I watched your discussion on Club Grubbery. What was discussed, and your’s and their responses to our f*cking arseh*le govts, epitomises Orwell’s quote.

Bar Beach Swimmer
January 10, 2023 12:51 pm

On the beach – beautiful, blue water and white, rolling waves. Water temperature, perfect and a light, mild breeze from the east/north east.

rosie
January 10, 2023 12:55 pm

Same with me and mine Calli.

Zipster
January 10, 2023 12:56 pm

I am really, really worried about the Daily Exposé.
Really worried.

did you buy them a coffee?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 10, 2023 12:56 pm

Sitting in a truck repair shop getting the left side lights replaced because I blew two tyres on the back axle of the grain trailer this morning.
Luckily the airbag and lines weren’t destroyed by the shredded tyres. I’ve delivered one load after starting the truck at 6.30.
Wish I was on the beach too.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 1:04 pm

/because I blew two tyres on the back axle of the grain trailer this morning.

This is why we need to ban those nasty stinking trucks from our roads.
What if there had been a moped convoy of schoolkids holding puppies and kittens passing by as the tires blew?
Anyone who disagrees with shutting down all grain cartage is obviously a shill for big gluten who hates kids, puppies and kittens.
Ask any octogenarian caravan driver!

/this message brought to you by Westrail

Bruce in WA
January 10, 2023 1:05 pm

I posted the following on the Ivermectin thread because it seemed appropriate. On reflection, I realise it’s not; it’s the wrong place. So I’ll repost here.

I got CV-19 on a cruise in early December 2022. Two-and-a-half days of fever, mild delirium, aches and pains and incredible fatigue (like, sleeping for 20 hours a day). The onboard doctor gave me molnupiravir, 8 tablets a day for 5 days. After 4 days I tested negative and continued to do so but was still required to isolate for a further three days. For all intents and purposes, ALL of my symptoms were gone.

However, I believe CV-19 may have left a legacy. I now become fatigued at apparently random times. “Nanny naps”, once a luxury, are almost a daily necessity. I’ve even been forced to stop the car when driving because I couldn’t keep my eyes open — literally — and get out and walk/have a coffee to wake up. I’ll drift off while on the computer; I literally nodded off on the toilet one time. It’s scary.

Bar Beach Swimmer
January 10, 2023 1:09 pm

Nothing the gatekeepers are allowing out about Covid is particularly earth shattering.

Calli, I beg to differ. For the last two years, all around the world, every govt office, bureaucrat, body, the msm, including social media, and the vast majority of politicians have done everything to ban alternate views and stymie debate.

While we, here, have to a large extent sought to identify the facts, this place is a small outpost of free speech and discussion.

If there is any acknowledgment/acceptance(?) of what’s really happened and how thousands and thousands of Australians have been materially harmed, then the only reason is that it’s hard to keep that lid firmly locked forever.

The fact is that until the Govt and the Health Dept declare that the vax is dangerous and the policies have caused devastation, it’s all a miasma of obsfucation. The bottom line is that a RC is required.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 10, 2023 1:13 pm

‘blew two tyres’

Please. Not that sort of blog.

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 1:17 pm

Calli, I beg to differ. For the last two years, all around the world, every govt office, bureaucrat, body, the msm, including social media, and the vast majority of politicians have done everything to ban alternate views and stymie debate.

That’s what I said. They are the gatekeepers, and what is released is allowed.

All the other stuff is unofficial and therefore suspect. And is tarnished with the conspiracy theory nutjob wingnut far right wing tinfoil hat broad brush of shame.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 1:27 pm

Georgia smoking TCU in the national championship game.
There’s a black dude called Sherman playing for Georgia.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 10, 2023 1:32 pm

Sitting in a truck repair shop getting the left side lights replaced because I blew two tyres on the back axle of the grain trailer this morning.

Do I miss it all? Not bloody likely!

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 1:33 pm

There’s a defensive lineman called Jalen Carter playing for Georgia.
Listed at six foot three & 310 pounds (140 kilos).
And he can move.

Zipster
January 10, 2023 1:35 pm

Mass Protests at COVID-19 Test Kit Factory in China; China’s Border Reopens Amid COVID-19 Surge
China in Focus – NTD

01:17 Mass Protests at COVID-19 Test Kit Factory in China
03:16 China’s Border Reopens Amid COVID-19 Surge
06:00 Funeral Home Worker: We’re Working Around the Clock
07:30 Chinese Tracking Device Found in UK Gov’t Vehicle
08:46 Taiwan Condemns China for Latest Combat Drills
10:06 Taiwan President Encourages Armed Forces
10:33 German Delegation Visits Taiwan, Calls China’s Threat Toward Taiwan ‘Unacceptable’
11:35 Tesla: Longer Delivery Time on Some China Models
13:02 Chinese Consulate Official Joins NY New Years Event

Pogria
Pogria
January 10, 2023 1:35 pm

Fitsimian and peanut head are in Harry the Necklace’s corner. I won’t link, it’s too putrid.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 1:37 pm

H.B. Bear earlier.

Not making many friends among private bore owners in the metro area at the moment though.

Are they putting restrictions on private bores?
We’ve got one, but I can see the day coming where we will have to pay a licence fee or cap it.
And, of course, even the capping will be done by a certified government operative – $799.50 plus travel and access costs.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 1:39 pm

Researchers Discover Surprising Risks for COVID-19 Infection + Significant Protection From Vitamin D

Many predictable behaviors appeared to protect people against the infection, while three factors, namely being actively involved in sports, frequent singing, and cold-water swimming, increased the risk of infection. The most substantial protective factor against COVID-19 infection was strict adherence to mask-wearing. The second most substantial protective factor was the consumption of vitamins and supplements. This study found in particular that taking vitamin D provided significant protection against acquiring COVID-19.

The study here found that tobacco smoking and also marijuana use (in women) have a relatively strong protective effect against infection. The researchers found that marijuana use and tobacco smoking could also have some protective effects against a severe course of COVID-19. The protective effects of tobacco smoking against infection have been reported in previous studies. However, most studies show adverse effects of smoking on the risk of a severe course of COVID-19.

Elevated IGA antibodies because of smoking?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 1:43 pm

Zipstersays:

January 10, 2023 at 12:56 pm

I am really, really worried about the Daily Exposé.
Really worried.

did you buy them a coffee?

I did indeed.
A double shot frappê l?tté with almond syr?p.
I do hope FedEx can deliver it OK.

Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
January 10, 2023 1:43 pm

We had a couple of old roses at one of my previous houses. Compassion is an old climber that will keep on flowering for months. Heavily scented, apricot peach in colour and almost impossible to damage. Hundreds of cuttings were taken from it. The other was an old climber. I think it was an Ayrshire. White flowers that appeared overnight and only lasted for a few weeks but an impressive display while it was on.
Would make for a great partner to bougainvillea as a naughty person deterrent on a fence.
Living out here on the edge of the desert country and being away a lot means I don’t get the chance to fiddle with a garden.
Came across an abandoned homestead in the East Pilbara in October. Apparently 7 years since anyone lived there but magnificent bougainvilleas hanging in there after rain 6 weeks previously

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2023 1:46 pm

Dr Scott Prasser (White Elephant Stampede) made the entirely reasonable recommendation that the Bogan Barbie’s desalination plant be built at Noosa.

Excellent idea. Plenty of water for the Sunshine Coast which is expected to double in population over the next 10 years.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 1:47 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:

January 10, 2023 at 12:20 pm

WA needs the far canal to drought proof the whole state.

Ernie bridges canal from the Kimberly to Perth with a thousand plantations all along its route.

Those schemes sound fanciful.
But they would cost considerably less than renewball subsidies and NDIS.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 10, 2023 1:49 pm

Speaking of car paint scrapes, I know a bloke who was into performance cars for a while – had a couple of nice Porsches.

He used to circle city blocks looking for a kerbside spot rather than angle parking, and would never ever park in supermarket and shopping centre parallel parking centres.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 1:50 pm

Brisbane’s annual rainfall is 1200mm.
For anyone in Queensssland to be talking desalination is f*cking madness.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 10, 2023 1:52 pm

Defence lawyer has a go at getting bail for a tradie who fired a nail gun at other motorists on Sydney’s M1:

She added that he suffered from ADHD, autism, depression and anxiety and that he [allegedly] ran from police because of his previous experiences with the criminal justice system.

‘He is a young man, he has not been sentenced to full time in prison,’ she said.

‘Your honour, his diagnosis of ADHD would interfere with his socialisation and safety in custody. It is likely that any period may be particularly onerous.’

Perp was a well-known offender. Bail denied.

Daily Mail

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 1:58 pm

WaterCorp (WA) rejected the Bridge Pipeline, saying:

-Too expensive
-Water is abundant in summer but not in winter so diverting it would be wrong
-Pipe causes a barrier to seasonal animal migration
-Evaporation of significant proportion of water
-Climate change (250,000Ha of land needing to be cleared)
-No clear North- South route.

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 2:07 pm

I’m trying to work out how he could fire a nail gun at traffic. He would have had to modify it in some way as it has to be in contact with the object being nailed.

No wonder bail was denied.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 2:12 pm

callisays:

January 10, 2023 at 2:07 pm

I’m trying to work out how he could fire a nail gun at traffic. He would have had to modify it in some way as it has to be in contact with the object being nailed.

Probably taped/wired back the ‘safety’ contact trigger.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 2:12 pm

Mucosal antibodies in the airways protect against omicron infection

The levels of mucosal IgA antibodies (immunoglobulin A) were measured in the airways because they play an important role in the protection against respiratory infections. All participants had high levels of systemic antibodies (e.g. in the blood) after three doses of the vaccine, but only 62 per cent had detectable mucosal airway antibodies (e.g in the nose). High levels of mucosal airway antibodies more than halved the risk of becoming infected with omicron.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31219219/
. We found that smoking is associated with reduced IgG concentrations and enhanced IgA concentrations in both serum and saliva.

Surprisingly my hunch may have been correct.

shatterzzz
January 10, 2023 2:14 pm

It is likely that any period may be particularly onerous.’

Strange how none of these defence lawyers tend to use “truth” in a bail claim ..
e.g .. ” My client didn’t plan to be caught and is quite annoyed he was so he really, really deserves bail”..

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 10, 2023 2:15 pm

However, I believe CV-19 may have left a legacy. I now become fatigued at apparently random times. “Nanny naps”, once a luxury, are almost a daily necessity.

Might be worth a look at the FLCCCs ‘long covid’ recovery protocol ….. of which Ivermectin is a key part

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 2:16 pm

Attempted, premeditated murder then. At least for the person he bumped in the head.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2023 2:17 pm

Nail guns.
I just ran into my builder in the local café.
He finished off the archs and skirts in our extension before Christmas so I could get a coat of paint on it pre-Santa.
“How did you spend Christmas?” he asks.
“Filling in 4,000 holes left by your fixing gun!” I reply.
We laughed.
But, jeez, some blokes use the fixing gun like Rambo on speed.

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 2:20 pm

Preach it brother.

If they had to hammer them in, then punch, you’d have a tithe of them. But also bruises from the head.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 2:20 pm

This looks like a siren done 100% right.

Will have to watch this episode.
Beautifully done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6fRCupGH2Q

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 2:24 pm

Gabor:
You are joshing us, why would you need a permit for a beehive?
Hive placement.
Varroa mite (varroa destructor) has been detected in New South Wales.
A movement control order is in place in Queensland.
I read a column in an agricultural magazine a year or so ago that gave the biosecurity mob a complete thrashing for their stuffed up response to the invasive Varroa Mite – ignoring infestations in areas put aside near import vectors or not checking the hives for months on end, not bothering to alert keepers to infestations, etc.
And if that’s the problems with a minor biosecurity issue like Varroa Mite, then the very same issues arise with the major one knocking on the front door F&M Disease.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 2:24 pm

Surprisingly my hunch may have been correct.

JohnH, does that mean smoking is beneficial? If so, I haven’t had covid yet. 🙂

Zipster
January 10, 2023 2:25 pm

Might be worth a look at the FLCCCs ‘long covid’ recovery protocol ….. of which Ivermectin is a key part

ivermectin doesnt work for everybody when it comes to long covid.

micro-clots and platelet activation are major part of the aftermath
Vascular pathology in post-viral conditions: the role of Microclots

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 2:26 pm

The Justice Department is looking into how a handful of classified documents from President Biden’s time as vice president ended up at the DC think tank that bears his name, the White House confirmed Monday night.

“A number” of sensitive documents from the 80-year-old Biden’s time as Barack Obama’s No. 2 were located less than a week before last year’s midterm elections at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement.

During a “60 Minutes” interview with Scott Pelley in September of last year, Biden ripped Trump as “totally irresponsible” for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago club and residence.

“When you saw the photograph of the top-secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago, what did you think to yourself? Looking at that image,” Pelley asked Biden.

“How that could possibly happen,” the president answered. “How one – anyone could be that irresponsible. And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? By that I mean names of people who helped or – et cetera. And it just – totally irresponsible.”

Biden earned nearly $1 million from the University of Pennsylvania to be an honorary professor from 2017 to 2019, despite appearing rarely at the Ivy League school.

The school has raked in millions in anonymous donations from China since putting Biden’s name on the think tank, including $15.8 million in Chinese gifts in 2017 and one staggering $14.5 million donation in May 2018, records show.

johanna
johanna
January 10, 2023 2:30 pm

Re the economics of bee-keeping – I read somewhere that commercial beekeepers rent their hives out to orchardists and the like to ensure pollination and subsequent fruit.

This would help to make the economics stack up.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 2:32 pm

JCsays:
January 10, 2023 at 2:24 pm
Surprisingly my hunch may have been correct.

JohnH, does that mean smoking is beneficial? If so, I haven’t had covid yet

Double edged sword JC. Smoking elevates IGA but decreases other antibodies and generally has a negative effect on immune function.

Enjoy your cigs, as I occasionally do. Whatever, I’ve lived long enough.

I had COVID during a non-smoking period but I was laid up for only one day whereas the people I contracted it from were sick for over a fortnight and one of them, over 80 years of age, is now dying in hospital because the virus wrecked his lungs. I told him years ago to follow my lead by using supplements including vitamin D but he didn’t do that.

dopey
dopey
January 10, 2023 2:33 pm

I see Michael Smith still has “every touch leaves its trace.” Especially at Christmas parties.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 10, 2023 2:36 pm

Lysandersays:
January 10, 2023 at 1:58 pm
WaterCorp (WA) rejected the Bridge Pipeline, saying:

-Too expensive
-Water is abundant in summer but not in winter so diverting it would be wrong
-Pipe causes a barrier to seasonal animal migration
-Evaporation of significant proportion of water
-Climate change (250,000Ha of land needing to be cleared)
-No clear North- South route.

I contracted to the Watercorp on some big jobs, they are totally useless.
Colin Barnett’s modified idea of putting a pipeline north from Perth to each of the big aquifers, only doing one section and then using that aquifer until it started to drop then the next leg north until you reached the Ord dam after maybe 100 years. Made sense to me, so laughed at by the left.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 2:36 pm

I told him years ago to follow my lead by using supplements including vitamin D but he didn’t do that.

Okay. Wifey go covid and the doc prescribed

1/. Vit C & D
2/. Antibiotic
3/. Palxo
4/. Tamifu (as I had the flu and cold at the same time.

She was very light into it, but she’s also as fit as a horse. 🙂

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 2:36 pm

WaterCorp (WA) rejected the Bridge Pipeline, saying:

We prefer demand management, higher prices and a big fat desalination plant to provide lots of munni for the well connected.

Lets go through the objections.

Too expensive – compared to what? Providing unlimited water to Perth, as well as a series of “mini Ords” all the way down, capable of producing incredible anounts of fodder for livestock/farms.

Water is abundant in summer but not in winter so diverting it would be wrong Not a real excuse I hope.

-Pipe causes a barrier to seasonal animal migration. And if it didnt, Im sure a few could be conjured out of thin air. Ive actually heard of this group of people who did crazy stuff with Aquaducts/ viaducts etc, very modern they were, called Romans.

-Evaporation of significant proportion of water And if you are sending massive volumes of water down this is a problem because??

-Climate change (250,000Ha of land needing to be cleared) Not if you use the old railway model. You will in actual fact be creating masses more vegetation to suck all that nasty CO2 out of the air and get piles of carbin munni from suckers.

But no, lets spend another $1.6 B on this!
The new Perth Stadium: What will WA get for $1.6 billion?
..
For perspective, that equates to roughly $1,500 per West Australian household or $600 per resident.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 2:42 pm

Zipstersays:
January 10, 2023 at 2:25 pm
Might be worth a look at the FLCCCs ‘long covid’ recovery protocol ….. of which Ivermectin is a key part

ivermectin doesnt work for everybody when it comes to long covid.

micro-clots and platelet activation are major part of the aftermath
Vascular pathology in post-viral conditions: the role of Microclots

One reason I take Ginkgo Biloba is because it inhibits fibrinogen, a key agent in clotting. Additionally while the emphasis for CVD is always about cholesterol, blood viscosity is also an issue to consider. Microclots increase viscosity. Thus …

G. biloba led to the highest reduction in blood viscosity compared with placebo and A. sativum. In relation to the use of the two substances, G. biloba and A. sativum, dry extract of G. biloba proved to be more effective in reducing blood viscosity.

This is controversial, the studies are conflicting and too often of poor quality. For norms there is no apparent benefit from Ginkgo but the evidence for mild cognitive impairment is much stronger.

Although the mechanisms by which Ginkgo biloba may contribute to overall enhancement of the parameters evaluated have not been specified, this plant extract certainly appears to be effective in the treatment of cognitive deficits in older people. Further research into its use is called for on the basis of the results obtained here.

The mechanism is increased cerebral blood flow(well documented) and that the terpenes in Ginkgo are potent antioxidants with a remarkable half life in plasma. Yeah, probably more than that.

The post COVID microclots issue may be directly related to ongoing inflammation.

Haven’t watched the video. Hate those videos unless at 1.5 speed. Did they mention persistent viral presence in the CNS post infection?

Speedbox
January 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Interesting story about the resurrection of an old pub in Dulacca, 380 kilometres west of Brisbane.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-08/the-pub-with-no-town-dulacca/101824028

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 2:49 pm

Nice piece in City Journal about the dire straits Hollywood finds itself in.

Get a load of some of the offerings.

A cancellation wave is coming, but it is not a woke one. Netflix, which has lost roughly 1 million subscribers and made massive layoffs, recently cancelled Q Force, a gay-oriented, adult-animated comedy. It has also canceled a sizeable batch of shows, including the animated Wings of Fire and Anti-Racist Baby, written by “antiracist” guru Ibram X. Kendi, and terminated First Kill, a lesbian vampire series that never won much audience. “It’s kind of bad to spend $50 million on something that doesn’t sell,” suggests one long-time agent. This shift has upset observers at places like the New York Times, who fear that Hollywood is “regressing” from the progressive agenda and (gasp) once again embracing cop shows.

https://www.city-journal.org/can-capitalism-save-hollywood

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 2:49 pm

Smoking is the worst thing for heart health.
Just stop it.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 2:50 pm

feelthebern says:
January 10, 2023 at 2:49 pm

Smoking is the worst thing for heart health.
Just stop it.

3 to 4 a day?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Lol.
JC, you should know better.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Calli:

Beekeeping? Just buy one.

It ain’t that simple.
The Jerks from Biosecurity can just ring you up, and:
Demand to know your registration number.
Come up to your property and forcibly enter it.
Demand your hives be destroyed because infestation – Remember Cook Foods?
Fine you your last dollar for refusing to do so.
Each one of those hives is an investment of about a thousand dollars and – from memory – holdings are from 10 to hundreds of hives. All of which have to be moved regularly and are subject to human predation.
No. The system has made/is making the honey business a losing proposition – just as they realise the essential nature of it.
Read the Act – it’s a shocker.

bons
bons
January 10, 2023 2:56 pm

Netflix are hopeless business folks.
The Israeli series ‘Hit and Run’ came in on the top ten and stayed there for the duration. A huge winner that ended with a hook for leading into a second series.
Netflix cancelled – antisemitism/ BDSM. Morons.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 2:57 pm

feelthebern says:
January 10, 2023 at 2:55 pm

Lol.
JC, you should know better.

I know right?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 2:58 pm

Georgia wins 65-7.
Quite nice how they put in a bunch of Seniors in the fourth quarter.
Some of which, this will be the last game of football they ever play.
Not a bad way to go out.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 3:01 pm

Calli:

If you’re interested, I’ll keep you informed about how it’s going.

Yes please – I’d love to hear about it because I haven’t given up on the idea yet. Just wanting to be aware of the administrative and corruption issues that are inherent in the system.
This sort of regulatory environment should really be a national one – having biosecurity in each state is a waste of resources.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 3:02 pm

Isn’t Ginko Biloba the stuff that puts wood in your willy?

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 10, 2023 3:04 pm

Federal data reveals Western Australia has the country’s second-lowest rate of fourth-dose vaccinations for COVID-19, prompting calls for better public education to stop a spike in more severe cases. 

Maybe us sandgropers are smarter that we look! Only 38% of eligible people have been stupid enough to get the 4TH jab.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
January 10, 2023 3:06 pm

Honey Bees are a significant feral pest and should be excluded from native bus and national parks. Dominating intermittent food supplies- sometimes by deliberate transport in by commercial operators- is one thing, but their colonisation of old growth nesting hollows in particular is atrocious.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 3:10 pm

Zipster:

A war games simulation of a full-scale Chinese invasion of the self-governing island nation of Taiwan predicts “heavy losses” for all parties likely to be involved, including the U.S. and Japan.

Never underestimate the Taiwanese resolve on this issue. For them it’s winning or the re-education camps. The Taiwanese know from their own history that the Communists will kill anyone that gets in their way.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 3:11 pm

Wali
Introducing foreign flora and fauna to the place is just another example of evolution – yes even if humans are doing it. Both need a decent kick in the arse because both native wildlife and flora is just so boring.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 3:13 pm

Speedy that is the most interesting thing the ALPBC has written in years.

Speedbox
January 10, 2023 3:13 pm

Story about a couple of people who saw advertisements on social media and decided to get involved. They were told by company representatives that the software offered and the training to be provided meant there was “low risk” but returns of 10-20% per month were achievable. The money-making opportunity? CFDs in forex.

These two individuals had no prior experience or exposure to global forex, or even finance/banking/share trading more generally. Ended up losing $130,000+ each. Feel sorry for them but some people are just dumb.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-09/customers-claim-lured-into-foreign-exchange-trading-tradefred/101755610

Kneel
Kneel
January 10, 2023 3:15 pm

“Residents will no longer be able to sell or make clothing, shoes, or handbags from real fur as of 2023, however the legislation does not apply to leather, cow hides, goat and sheep skin.”

What about kangaroo leather?
Kangaroo leather is a favourite for racing motorcycle riders because it is half the weight, twice the strength and much subtler compared to cow leather. Every MotoGP rider wears kangaroo leather, without exception – it’s that good. Also makes very comfortable shoes (I have several pairs!) There will no doubt be a few million more of the buggers too, given the recent rains.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 10, 2023 3:16 pm

Funny business names noted recently:
Dog psychologist – Going Mutts
Buyer of jewellery – Divorce your jewellery.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Speedbox says: January 10, 2023 at 2:48 pm
Interesting story about the resurrection of an old pub in Dulacca, 380 kilometres west of Brisbane.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-08/the-pub-with-no-town-dulacca/101824028

They’re paying labour hire chefs. * Ouch *

Kneel
Kneel
January 10, 2023 3:23 pm

” Anyone who thinks this doesn’t warrant a verbal smack down to the head is why we lose the culture wars,…”

FIFY Cassie. 🙂

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 10, 2023 3:24 pm

Speedbox
I have been receiving many…..many phone calls from an Hong Kong broker who wants me to buy into Novo Nordisk, distributor of obesity drug Wegovy.
The pitch was excellent but ultimately my “no prior experience” caution won out and I haven’t bought in. Also, recently an article somewhere alerted me to the scam of brokers pretending to be from overseas.
Yeah I’ve probably missed the 10-bagger of the year but also no sleepless nights.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 3:24 pm

Gabor:

I’m confused, how do beekeepers make a living?

They don’t.
It’s like opal mining, gold fossicking, and other minor industries. The money is in the support industries like food, water, (The tiny little spring that ended up being dammed at the early diggings at Broken Hill or was it Mt Isa?) clothing (Levis spring to mind) bars and brothels, etc.
But it’s apparently a whole stack of fun and satisfaction. esp for the kiddies. and it’s great for grandparents who live in the country. Along with chooks and the odd duck, a milker or two, and of course the derg.
It’s a part of the jigsaw puzzle of the generations and well worth the time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 3:30 pm

JCsays:
January 10, 2023 at 2:24 pm
Surprisingly my hunch may have been correct.

JohnH, does that mean smoking is beneficial? If so, I haven’t had covid yet. ?

The potential protective effect of smoking was mentioned early on, I recall mentioning it at SincCat. Of course, it had to be buried by the anti-smoking fanatics, apologies, medical bureaucrats.

Kneel
Kneel
January 10, 2023 3:32 pm

“…. it isn’t cost effective for honey.”

But, but…
You should market it as free range, organic, no added sugar, no fat, no salt, no added flavours, no added colours. Hey, it’s all true, innit?
It’s ‘elf food, don’t ewe know AND tastes good – how many ‘elf foods taste that good?

shatterzzz
January 10, 2023 3:39 pm

Hollywood is “regressing” from the progressive agenda and (gasp) once again embracing cop shows.
One NOT to watch .. EAST NEW YORK .. starts off very promising but by episode 3 the wokeness/PC starts to set in and by episode 5 you realise it’s nothing more than a “soapie” rather than a realistic plod show .. too many “coincidence” scenes that benefit the plod side …..
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18115928/

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 3:40 pm

The Taiwanese know from their own history that the Communists will kill anyone that gets in their way.

They’re getting seriouser too.

Taiwan extends mandatory 4-month military service to 1 year, raises soldiers’ pay (28 Dec)

Maybe China should consider an easier target. I wonder where they could find one with no national service and much easier terrain?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 3:41 pm

They were playing highlights of Georgia’s national title in 1980.
Geez Hershel Walker took during his college career.

Zipster
January 10, 2023 3:54 pm

The post COVID microclots issue may be directly related to ongoing inflammation.

Haven’t watched the video. Hate those videos unless at 1.5 speed. Did they mention persistent viral presence in the CNS post infection?

nobody has found viral persistence yet, may happen but no evidence has been found.

S1 persistence on the other is a thing. It’s been found in micro-clots as well as in dysfunctional monocytes. I have posted about his previously, can dig it up if anyone is interested.

Kneel
Kneel
January 10, 2023 3:54 pm

“Islam is a religion of peace.”

Peas. You heard it wrong. It’s the religion of peas.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 10, 2023 3:54 pm

Speedbox says: January 10, 2023 at 2:48 pm
Interesting story about the resurrection of an old pub in Dulacca

So far, the plan seems to be working, helped by what Danny believes is COVID’s silver lining. “As hard as it was for two years, it forced a lot of wealthy individuals to not go overseas … and now we’re seeing bigger, flashier four-wheel drives towing caravans that are probably worth more than this pub.”

Coming up next on the History channel: Covid Origins, The Pub Leak Hypothesis!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

In the NQ Register, an article on a streaming series made in Proserpine ends with:

“We respectfully acknowledge the Australian South Sea Islander community as the Australian-born direct descendants of the first South Sea Islanders, who were brought to Australia to work as indentured labourers in the primary industries, and acknowledge their significant place in Queensland’s cultural diversity and history.”

Can’t wait until the day a TV show is made with some Anglo-Irish Australians in it, & the subsequent plastering of the reviews with acknowledgements the Australian Anglo-Irish community and the Australian born direct descendants of the first Anglo-Irish convcits, brought to Australia to work as convict labour in the building of infrastructure & the acknowledgement of their place in Australia’s cultural diversity & history.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 3:59 pm

Bruce of N

Maybe China should consider an easier target. I wonder where they could find one with no national service and much easier terrain?

Too challenging logistically for the Imperial Japanese Navy, so unlikely to be achievable by China.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Coming up next on the History channel: Covid Origins, The Pub Leak Hypothesis!

The patrons are lawbreakers. Photo in the article shows a pocket knife. Clearly the bloke is not at work in primary industry (they’re in the pub) & should be charged by QPlod.
They’ve got photo evidence, courtesy of the ALPBC. This should be enough for even an QPlod detective to eventually work it out.

Speedbox
January 10, 2023 4:00 pm

Old School Conservative says:
January 10, 2023 at 3:24 pm

(touch wood) I haven’t received any calls on such things but in any case, only invest is stuff I directly know about and/or in some instances, future products I am confident in (ie. rare earths). Perhaps I should feel insulted that I am not deemed worthy of any attempt to separate myself from my hard earned. 🙂

I think forex is a black art that should only be considered by those with solid prior training, deep resources, excellent geopolitical intelligence gathering ability, nerves of steel and cast-iron guts. The very last place a novice should attempt to make money is the forex market.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 10, 2023 4:01 pm

took some punishment

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 4:01 pm

Zipstersays:
January 10, 2023 at 3:54 pm
The post COVID microclots issue may be directly related to ongoing inflammation.

Haven’t watched the video. Hate those videos unless at 1.5 speed. Did they mention persistent viral presence in the CNS post infection?

nobody has found viral persistence yet, may happen but no evidence has been found.

S1 persistence on the other is a thing. It’s been found in micro-clots as well as in dysfunctional monocytes. I have posted about his previously, can dig it up if anyone is interested.

Yes they have, I posted data on that several days ago, including in the brain. Months after infection. Viral persistence is not uncommon. HPV, chicken pox, two well known examples of persistent viral infection.

johanna
johanna
January 10, 2023 4:10 pm

Proper honey is good for wound care. Dunno how it works, but it aids infection control and healing. Not the supermarket stuff, but the real kind.

I think it’s useful to know some of the solutions to problems that don’t rely on the rather precarious infrastructure and supply chains of modern life.

Another example is garlic. 40 years ago, I was on a ship halfway between Sydney and Acapulco, and for some reason had an outbreak of sebaceous cysts. That is, those big, angry, red, pus filled lumps that often appear on the faces and necks of young people.

Somebody had told me that garlic was efficaceous for these things. So, I approached one of the kitchen staff (it was an Italian ship, and I was cute back then, not hard) and obtained a couple of knobs of garlic. The corms were peeled, cut in half and washed down with a glass of water twice a day.

Bingo. Within a week, all were shrinking and some were gone. Two weeks later, all gone. Again, I have no idea how it works, but it did for me.

I’m no opponent of the benefits of modern medicine. But you never know when you might not be able to access them. There are many useful ‘home remedies’ that are well worth knowing about.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 4:15 pm

Calli:

As for “effective”, I still haven’t caught the stupid thing, or if I have I haven’t noticed. Whereas some of the unvaxxed here have caught it.

Despite my best efforts, still disease free. And that’s a bugger because I really want to catch it despite being immunosurprised on T cell reducers.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 10, 2023 4:15 pm

JC, I’m countering the trtendy narrative which elevates honey bees as both our Gaia-given guardian angels, faithful servants and imperiled canaries in the coal mine of the eco-pocalypse. They are none such, the Ligurian honey bee is a domesticated animal which should be treated with the same caution as cats, pigs and camels.
Also, the idea that the apiary armageddon will be wreaked by chemicals and GMOs and mobile phone towers is Organic-brand schlock. They’re pretty tough too, the idea that something can take them out while mysteriously sparing mozzies and blowies is bunkum. The only sure-fire way to kill bees is to hit the hive with an anticholinesterase.

Zipster
January 10, 2023 4:15 pm

Yes they have, I posted data on that several days ago, including in the brain. Months after infection. Viral persistence is not uncommon. HPV, chicken pox, two well known examples of persistent viral infection.

can you repost it?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 4:16 pm

Too challenging logistically for the Imperial Japanese Navy, so unlikely to be achievable by China.

BJ – I disagree with them (whilst wearing my IJN admiral’s cap, which I don’t have 😀 ).

Japan could’ve put a couple divisions into Darwin and formed a perimeter. Dead easy in early 1942. Nothing could stop that. Then once in place the Allies would’ve gotten totally fixated on recapturing Darwin, helped by screeching and howling from Canberra. MacArthur was fixated on the Philippines and the USN on Rabaul in a similar manner. Rabaul they ended up bypassing in 1944, but the two divisions holding that town were impossible to evict, and supported themselves with agriculture.

Recapturing a Japanese controlled Darwin and surrounds would be a copper plated bitch. No railroad, dirt roads, no control of the sea or air. Indeed it’d almost force the Australian Army to build the Alice Springs-Darwin railway as the first strategic action. Meanwhile with the Allies totally distracted by the Darwin enclave the Japanese would sweep in to Pt Moresby, Guadalcanal and even possibly Calcutta since Winston had guaranteed support of Oz if the Japs invaded.

The Chinese could bring in a couple divisions via civvie merchant ships in a surprise op fairly easily, since we have nothing much to stop them with. Pick up Broome and Karratha and the iron fields and it’d even pay for itself.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 4:17 pm

johannasays:
January 10, 2023 at 4:10 pm
Proper honey is good for wound care. Dunno how it works, but it aids infection control and healing. Not the supermarket stuff, but the real kind.

Manuka honey

Honey: A Biologic Wound Dressing

In most honeys the activity is due to hydrogen peroxide, but much of this is inactivated by the enzyme catalase that is present in blood, serum, and wound tissues. In manuka honey, the activity is due to methylglyoxal which is not inactivated. The manuka honey used in wound-care products can withstand dilution with substantial amounts of wound exudate and still maintain enough activity to inhibit the growth of bacteria. There is good evidence for honey also having bioactivities that stimulate the immune response (thus promoting the growth of tissues for wound repair), suppress inflammation, and bring about rapid autolytic debridement. There is clinical evidence for these actions, and research is providing scientific explanations for them.

Health Benefits of Manuka Honey as an Essential Constituent for Tissue Regeneration

johanna
johanna
January 10, 2023 4:17 pm

The Taiwanese are a feisty lot, famous for having fistfights in Parliament.

If the Chicoms attack, it will be like a bulldog trying to swallow a wasp.

cohenite
January 10, 2023 4:26 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
January 10, 2023 at 2:20 pm
This looks like a siren done 100% right.

Will have to watch this episode.
Beautifully done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6fRCupGH2Q

WTF is that?!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 4:26 pm

For those that like honey, I saw in colesworth Kamahi honey from NZ. Best tasting by far especially for cooking as not a lot is needed. Having it straight use sparingly.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 4:32 pm

BoN the only defence needed of Darwin is Knuckles giving away free poorly cooked small goods. You know it makes sense.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 4:33 pm

We show that SARS-CoV-2 is widely distributed, predominantly among patients who died with severe COVID-19, and that virus replication is present in multiple respiratory and non-respiratory tissues, including the brain, early in infection. Further, we detected persistent SARS-CoV-2 RNA in multiple anatomic sites, including throughout the brain, as late as 230 days following symptom onset in one case. Despite extensive distribution of SARS-CoV-2 RNA throughout the body, we observed little evidence of inflammation or direct viral cytopathology outside the respiratory tract. Our data indicate that in some patients SARS-CoV-2 can cause systemic infection and persist in the body for months.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 4:34 pm

40 years ago, I was on a ship halfway between Sydney and Acapulco, and for some reason had an outbreak of sebaceous cysts. That is, those big, angry, red, pus filled lumps that often appear on the faces and necks of young people.

Heres a tip straight from the wilds of Afghanistan.

Big horrible multi headed boil.
Cut an onion in half across the middle.
Bandage onion with cut side down.
Leave for a day or so
Guts is sucked out of the boils.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 4:34 pm

I read an opinion piece about the impact of AI on creatives. The piece explained how one of the writer’s colleagues asked AI about something particular to Umberto Eco. I asked the following from ChatGPT

It has present day limitations but it’s pretty amazing and will become incredible in about 3 years time.

Give me a 300 word explanation for John Steinbeck’s works

John Steinbeck was a prolific writer who produced a large body of work during his career. His novels and short stories often explored the lives of ordinary people, particularly those living in rural communities, and the struggles they faced. Steinbeck’s writing was characterized by a strong sense of realism and a deep understanding of human nature.

One of Steinbeck’s most famous novels is “Of Mice and Men,” a story about two itinerant workers, George and Lennie, who dream of one day owning their own farm. Despite their friendship and the shared goal, however, their plans are ultimately thwarted by the harsh realities of the world around them. “Of Mice and Men” is a poignant tale of friendship, loneliness, and the American Dream.

Another well-known work by Steinbeck is “The Grapes of Wrath,” a novel that chronicles the struggles of a poor family, the Joads, as they travel from Oklahoma to California during the Great Depression in search of a better life. The novel is a powerful depiction of the hardships and injustices faced by migrant workers during this time, and the resilience and determination of the human spirit.

“East of Eden” is another notable novel by Steinbeck, set in the Salinas Valley of California. The book is a sweeping tale of family, jealousy, and betrayal, and is considered one of Steinbeck’s greatest works.

Throughout his career, Steinbeck consistently wrote with empathy and insight, exploring the complexities of human relationships and the challenges of the world we live in. His works continue to be widely read and admired today, and he remains an important figure in American literature.

AI could end becoming the most important tech to hit humanity since the internet. Market valuation tor ChatGPT hit US$29 billion. It could end up being really cheap.
It has present day limitations but it’s pretty amazing and will become incredible in about 3 years time.

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 4:36 pm

Gee guys. My kids want to install a hive because veggie garden and orchard. All these plants are pollinated by big boofy euro bees, although I have noticed the native bees will have a go too. They love lavender as well as the usual natives like grevillea and eucs.

The honey will be a bonus. They aren’t particularly trendoid, and I’ve been delighted to watch my daughter become more interested in natural systems and horticulture as she’s nearing middle age (horror). The children will also benefit from observing and helping, though I expect they’ll be more interested in motorbikes and cars very, very soon. The other daughter, an inner city type, also has a green thumb. She needed a couple of brawny islanders to move her plants during a recent house move. All very pleasing.

But none of them are at all interested in the sewing machine. 😀

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2023 4:37 pm

AI could end becoming the most important tech to hit humanity since the internet. Market valuation tor ChatGPT hit US$29 billion. It could end up being really cheap.
It has present day limitations but it’s pretty amazing and will become incredible in about 3 years time

JC: Since Claude-Shannon, Turing, and von Neumann(ie modern computer architecture).

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 4:39 pm

John H

I bet Google is currently working really hard to incorporate a high level AI into its search function.

Zipster
January 10, 2023 4:39 pm

is it this one?

Case report: Persistence of residual antigen and RNA of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in tissues of two patients with long COVID

they haven’t ruled out reinfection.

There is another investigation that analysed blood samples from long covid patients over time. What they found in that the vast majority the quantity of S1 declined . In a small percentage, it went up, but they didn’t rule out re-infection.

Dr Patterson’s group found S1 and viral mrna fragments in blood but did not find whole virus mRNA.

It’s entirely possible there is viral persistence however Dr Resia Pretorius group have been able to cure long covid patients by only addressing the micro-clots with triple therapy. Which suggest there is no viral persistence. Same with Dr Patterson’s group by addressing monocytes choking on S1, although they do address platelet activation if detected.

Patterson is at https://www.covidlonghaulers.com/

Dot
Dot
January 10, 2023 4:40 pm

Really not impressed with living corpse and lame duck fossil Jimmy Inhofe (now retired) recently shafting Australia out of nuke subs.

I have nothing but love for Americans but their swamp is foetid.

India (strategic weapons cough cough) Japan, Germany and Israel (“tactical strategic” weapons cough cough) should be our future for most of our procurement (and Austria 🙂 ).

We can’t trust Swedes and Frenchies on subs, but off the shelf small arms, planes or missiles, all good.

US, UK and France have too much money and vested interests at stake besides being too slow and subject to our and out shenanigans.

IMO we don’t owe them anything.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 4:40 pm

Cohenite

Its from love death and Robots, a series of animated short 1/2 hr long films.

Varies a lot in quality/style.

That one is called Jibaro.
The chap not killing himself to reach her is deaf.
Its gorgeous animation and fairly brutal.

johanna
johanna
January 10, 2023 4:42 pm

Thanks, John H. Not sure that it’s restricted to Manuka honey, but the principle seems sound.

Another old remedy I just remembered is putting cobwebs in a wound to deter bleeding. IIRC, there is a sound basis for this.

Not everyone has cobwebs handy, of course, but on a farm there would be no shortage in the barn. 🙂

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 4:44 pm

The hive collapse stuff has been doing the rounds for at least thirty years. Not buying.

Another bee story. Many, many years ago, a neighbour thought they heard termites in the house frame. An odd, grinding noise in the dead of night. Next thing, the walls became discoloured and a pilot hole resulted in ooze dripping, Amityville Horror style. You guessed it – the native bees had found a perpend and set up shop in the wall cavity.

Enter the Bee Man, all swathed and smokey. After much searching, he found the queen and took the swarm. Not sure if she was wearing a crown.

shatterzzz
January 10, 2023 4:47 pm

The Chinese could bring in a couple divisions via civvie merchant ships in a surprise op fairly easily, since we have nothing much to stop them with.

No doubt, “akubra houso” will loose “the chap”on the Chicoms, again! .. and they’ll realise it would be sooo unfair to “invade” before the VOICE can reply, our subs are here (circa 2076) and our “noo” air defence missile system (circa 2063) are all in place .. not forgetting the 27 regiments of, keen, alphabet lettered assault troops lip-sticked & stiletto-heeled to combat readiness are in place …….

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 4:50 pm

Really not impressed with living corpse and lame duck fossil Jimmy Inhofe (now retired) recently shafting Australia out of nuke subs.

Inhofe is a patriot, and we’re not his country. He’s fought the good fight over the climate scam for a very long time, so he has earned the right to say what he says. I don’t agree with it because I’m an Aussie and I want us to have nuclear subs. But as a patriot he wants the USN to run those subs…but unfortunately the USN is just as woke as the rest of the US armed forces are right now, and that isn’t going to change since the Dems have pulled off their coup. So in reality it’d be better even for the US if we ran them. Hard for an old guy like Inhofe to make that judgement though.

johanna
johanna
January 10, 2023 4:50 pm

Heres a tip straight from the wilds of Afghanistan.

Big horrible multi headed boil.
Cut an onion in half across the middle.
Bandage onion with cut side down.
Leave for a day or so
Guts is sucked out of the boils.

Errr … thanks, Mole. I’ll try to remember that next time I have … oh, never mind. 🙂

Interesting that onions and garlic are from the same family, though. Perhaps they have a silver bullet for these types of conditions.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 4:51 pm

Bruce of N

Japan could’ve put a couple divisions into Darwin and formed a perimeter. Dead easy in early 1942. Nothing could stop that. Then once in place the Allies would’ve gotten totally fixated on recapturing Darwin, helped by screeching and howling from Canberra. MacArthur was fixated on the Philippines and the USN on Rabaul in a similar manner.

Priorities, [riorities, Bruce.

Two divisions in Darwin (needing ongoing logistic support), or a regiment to Buna, a division to Guadalcanal, and Imperial Special Naval Landing Forces to Milne Bay?

The Japanese plan was to advance through the islands to Australia’s north and east to cut us of from the US. Diverting two divisions to Darwin would have made an already difficult task even harder.

Instead of the Tokyo Express from Rabaul to Guadalcanal, it would have been a run west around the island of New Guinea, then south past Timor to Darwin, a much longer route. Put US Marines into the Solomons unopposed, and B-17s into Mt Isa, and the difficult becomes impossible. Logistics, logistics, rule all desires.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 4:51 pm

WTF is that?!

JC is the siren, you are the knights….

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 4:57 pm

BBS:

The fact is that until the Govt and the Health Dept declare that the vax is dangerous and the policies have caused devastation, it’s all a miasma of obsfucation. The bottom line is that a RC is required.

A Royal Commission is the last thing we need, BBS.
A Royal Commission with teeth and a set of balls is what is needed. Too many RCs end up being ignored by government and Unions, Business and Bureaucracy and then when it runs out of money, “Yes we had a RC and it turned out we were all innocent. Nothing proven.”
I’d do the job just for shits and giggles – gaoling Union thugs and politicians, recalcitrant arseholes who think they can get away with economic sabotage that would have earned them a bullet under Joe Stalin’s regime. They’ve all white anted this nation over the last fifty years into a disaster that the wukkas and soldiers who fought to keep it free wouldn’t now cross the street to piss on it even if it was on fire.
I’d pass “Where did you get the money from to afford an 11 million dollar penthouse on a Parliamentarians salary, sport?” And it would be live entertainment every Sunday night.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 5:00 pm

Two divisions in Darwin (needing ongoing logistic support), or a regiment to Buna, a division to Guadalcanal, and Imperial Special Naval Landing Forces to Milne Bay?

BJ – Put two divs into Darwin to take out the brigade there. Then redeploy one of those. Use land based planes to cover the attack on Port Morseby from the west not the east. Too far west for the American carriers to get to and with much better air cover.

Milne Bay never happens because all Australian brigades are too busy crawling their way through the desert to Darwin.

Cutting Oz off from the US is achieved by taking Pt Moresby, which is done by the back door not the front…

Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2023 5:01 pm

One Monday morning, a postman was walking through a neighbourhood on his usual route delivering the mail. As he approached one of the homes, he noticed that both cars were still in the driveway.

His curiosity was cut short by Craig, the homeowner, coming out with a load of empty beer, wine and spirit bottles for the recycling bin.

“Wow Craig, looks like you guys had one hell of a party last night” the postman commented.

Craig, in obvious pain, replied “Actually we had it Saturday night. This is the first time I have felt like moving since 4am Sunday morning. We had about 15 couples from around the neighbourhood over for some weekend fun and it got a bit wild. We all got so drunk around midnight that we started playing WHO AM I?”

The postman thought for a moment and said “How do you play WHO AM I?”

Well, all the guys go in the bedroom and come out one at a time covered with a sheet with only the ‘family jewels’ showing through a hole in the sheet. Then the women try to guess who it is”.

The postman laughed and said “Sounds like fun. I’m sorry I missed it”. “Probably a good thing you did” Craig responded. “Your name came up seven times”……………………….

Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2023 5:03 pm

My wife’s jealousy is getting ridiculous. The other day she looked at my calendar and wanted to know who May was.

– Rodney Dangerfield

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 10, 2023 5:04 pm

BoN at 4.16:

We’ve been through this. At length.

No.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 5:08 pm

A big part of Cronkite’s usefulness has almost been made redundant by AI.

recent strange book titles?

I’m sorry, but I don’t have access to information about recent book releases. However, I can tell you about some strange book titles that have been published in the past. Some examples include:

“The Big Book of Lesbian Horse Stories”
“The Fluffy Bunnies of the Apocalypse”
“I Was a Teenage Wereshark”
“The Time Traveler’s Guide to Medieval England”
“The Sasquatch Hunter’s Almanac”
“The Zombie Survival Guide”

These are just a few examples, and I’m sure there are many more out there. Do you have a specific topic or theme in mind that you would like to know more about?

Dot
Dot
January 10, 2023 5:10 pm

These are just a few examples, and I’m sure there are many more out there. Do you have a specific topic or theme in mind that you would like to know more about?

Closeted tax lawyers and musclebound women.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 10, 2023 5:10 pm

At least the ABC is predictable: never let a lurid anti-Catholic conspiracy theory go to waste.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-10/vatican-reopens-inquiry-disappearance-emanuela-orlandi/101839666

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 5:14 pm

and musclebound women.

Good one Dot. Encourage him.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 5:18 pm

Im going to hell for this.

Chat got asked this: Combine a Run DMC lyics with a negro spiritual.

Here’s a blend of the lyrics from “It’s Tricky” and “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot”:

Verse 1:
It’s tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that’s right on time
I’m the king of rock, there is none higher
Sultan of swing, I can’t tire

Chorus:
Swing low, sweet chariot
Comin’ for to carry me home
It’s tricky, it’s tricky (Tricky, tricky)

Verse 2:
I’m too tough to die, I’m too mean to cry
I’m the king of rock, I can’t deny
It’s tricky, it’s tricky (Tricky, tricky)

Chorus:
Swing low, sweet chariot
Comin’ for to carry me home
It’s tricky, it’s tricky (Tricky, tricky)

Im now visualizing a B&W minstrel show crossed with rappers…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 5:22 pm

Woah, seems like the chat bot has morals..
Closeted tax lawyers and musclebound women.
I’m sorry, but I am not able to generate book titles that may offend or harm someone. Can I help you with something else?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 5:27 pm

Curse you JC, that site is addictive.

last one…
Im going cold turkey.

Here is a short story combining the themes of “The Producers” with those of H.P. Lovecraft:

Max Bialystock and Leo Bloom were two down-on-their-luck Broadway producers with a plan to make it big. They had heard about a strange, reclusive author named H.P. Lovecraft who had written a play called “The Mountains of Madness.”

The play was said to be so terrifying that it would surely be a flop, allowing Max and Leo to make off with the excess money from the production. They set off to New England to track down Lovecraft and convince him to let them produce his play.

When they finally met Lovecraft, they were shocked to discover that he was not the eccentric writer they had expected, but a creature of unspeakable horror, with tentacles writhing from his face. Lovecraft agreed to let them produce the play, but warned them of the dangers they would face if they dared to stage it.

Despite the warnings, Max and Leo were undeterred. They returned to New York and began rehearsals, but strange things began to happen. Actors went missing, and bizarre, otherworldly noises were heard emanating from the theater.

As opening night approached, Max and Leo began to have second thoughts about their scheme. They knew they couldn’t go through with it, but it was too late – the tickets had been sold and the show was sold out.

As the curtains rose, Max and Leo watched in horror as the actors on stage were transformed into grotesque monsters, while tentacles reached out from the wings to claim the audience. In the chaos that followed, Max and Leo barely made it out alive, vowing to never mess with the eldritch forces of H.P. Lovecraft again.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 5:32 pm

I broke the blog.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 5:33 pm

We’ve been through this. At length.

No.

😀

I think there might’ve been a bit of IJN vs IJA barney in the strategic argument. But they had 10 divs available for the Pacific perimeter, three ended up in the futile jungles of PNG where they were fairly useless – at best they were there to get aerodromes up to support the advance around the east end of the island to Pt Moresby. If instead they’d done it from Ambon and Timor via Darwin the strategic effect would’ve been huge, given politics in Canberra at the time. A certain Mr Curtin was PM as I recall (from October). The Labor Party would’ve gone nuts.

The Japs of course didn’t understand Aussie politics so they wouldn’t’ve properly appreciated the political value of such a strategy.

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 5:33 pm

ChatGPT has a way to go yet… its response to me:

There is no evidence to support the claim that the 2020 US election was stolen. The US election was held on November 3, 2020, and the results were certified by all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The outcome of the election was also upheld by multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, which rejected legal challenges to the election results. It is important to note that allegations of voter fraud are not uncommon in any election, and it is normal for such allegations to be thoroughly investigated. However, in this case, there is no credible evidence to support the assertion that the election was stolen.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 5:33 pm

Bruce of N

BJ – Put two divs into Darwin to take out the brigade there. Then redeploy one of those.

The IJN and IJA were short of transports. Shuffling divisions in that way takes ships and time.

Use land based planes to cover the attack on Port Morseby from the west not the east.

Where in the west? Hollandia? Long flights over the Owen Stanleys, particularly for damaged aircraft returning? Reduce the air forces in Rabaul?

And the US gets Gaudalcanal and the Solomons without a major land or sea battle?

Milne Bay never happens because all Australian brigades are too busy crawling their way through the desert to Darwin.

The logistics of moving even a couple of brigades to Darwin would have been impossible. Others could still have gone to Papua.

Cutting Oz off from the US is achieved by taking Pt Moresby, which is done by the back door not the front…

No it doesn’t. Look at a map.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 5:34 pm

Bruce of N

PS, in your scenario, what happens at Midway?

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 5:37 pm

Well look out Sancho, ChatGPT generates its own jokes…

Why couldn’t the bicycle stand up by itself?

Because it was two-tired!

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 10, 2023 5:38 pm

The Time Traveler’s Guide to Medieval England is a first-class book. Contrasts present-day practices in all sorts of areas with what was the norm then.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 5:39 pm

ChatGPT has a way to go yet

A lot of funny combos are apparently un-woke and get a “thats not funny” response.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 5:42 pm

Bruce of N

three ended up in the futile jungles of PNG where they were fairly useless – at best they were there to get aerodromes up to support the advance around the east end of the island to Pt Moresby. If instead they’d done it from Ambon and Timor via Darwin .

Get hold of an Admiralty chart of the Torres Strait, then contemplate moving a major naval force through there (taking out the coast defence guns on and around Thursday Island on the way).

Then there is the minor problem of limited port and logistic facilities in Ambon, Timor and Darwin. Rabaul had a major harbour.

As Dot said, “No.”

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 5:52 pm

Top Ender:

She added that he suffered from ADHD, autism, depression and anxiety and that he [allegedly] ran from police because of his previous experiences with the criminal justice system.

Obviously the ‘treatment’ he’s getting isn’t working.
Let’s change the treatment.
20 lashes with a Rattan cane.
Lets see if that provides him with a reason to change. Seems to work in Asian countries.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Give me a 300 word explanation for John Steinbeck’s works

Impressive at first glance (odd there was no mention of Cannery Row).

Even as is, ChatGPT appears to spell the end of lightweight high school and undergraduate essays as a form of assessment.

I’m now energised to set up an account and test it with some engineering challenges.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Where in the west? Hollandia?

Darwin, silly. There was like this nice new airbase there…

From Darwin it is a hop, step and jump to Merauke and possibly the Torres Strait islands for airstrips. Groote Eylandt is another neat little place to base from.

Keep in mind the Japanese were already in Rabaul, with a good airbase.

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 6:00 pm

I am bit more suprised with ChatGPT after I asked it to explain the theory of Realism in light of the West Vs China. It did. Then I asked it to explain how “this” relates to International Relations more generally.

Then I asked it to write a song about it. It did (and this is not a song ever written before):

Verse 1:
In a world without a king
Anarchy is what we bring
We build up armies and defenses
To protect ourselves from our own pretenses

Chorus:
It’s a game of power and self-preservation
We strive for domination and preservation
We must be strong, we must be wise
In this game of international lies

Verse 2:
We gather allies and make deals
But always watch out for the next steal
We trust no one, only ourselves
In this game of international wealth

Chorus:
It’s a game of power and self-preservation
We strive for domination and preservation
We must be strong, we must be wise
In this game of international lies

Bridge:
But as we climb to the top
We realize the cost
Of this never-ending cycle of fear
And the power we hold dear

Outro:
So let us strive for peace and cooperation
Breaking out of this dark realization
And build a world without this game
Where self-preservation is no longer our aim.

Keep in mind, it is a fictional song and only meant to illustrate the themes and ideas of realism in international relations theory, it not meant to reflect any current political situation or specific events. And of course, it could be written in different tone, style, and genre.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 10, 2023 6:05 pm

I’m now energised to set up an account and test it with some engineering challenges.

The OpenAI mob must be hoovering up the most valuable IP in the world with all the highly specific questions that people will be asking ChatGPT.

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2023 6:07 pm

Lol Cololen Crisp!!! Very true indeed!!!

After it wrote the song I asked it to write a more sinister version… and it did! Ok, I’m impressed!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 10, 2023 6:10 pm

Give me a 300 word explanation for John Steinbeck’s works

John Steinbeck was a prolific writer who produced a large body of work during his career. His novels and short stories often explored the lives of ordinary people, …

Here ya go,I’ll sum Steinbeck up in 16 words and save you some time:
John Steinbeck was a CommSymp whose vaguely homoerotic claptrap was heavily promoted by Communists then and now.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Lysander there is a problem with the song. I now trust the enemy more than ourselves. The enemy within is always the most dangerous. Sun GreyRanga

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 6:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
January 10, 2023 at 5:55 pm
Where in the west? Hollandia?

Darwin, silly. There was like this nice new airbase there…

Gambling that it would not have been rendered unusable during the invasion might have seemed a bit risky, even to the Japanese.

From Darwin it is a hop, step and jump to Merauke and possibly the Torres Strait islands for airstrips. Groote Eylandt is another neat little place to base from.

Check the standard of the air strips at these three places at the time, not now.

Still no.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 6:15 pm

PS, in your scenario, what happens at Midway?

Midway still happens since it is part of Yamamoto’s perimeter. Indeed since Coral Sea doesn’t happen Midway even more happens. 😀

The Darwin scenario is only about effectively distracting the Australian and British strategic support of MacArthur and Nimitz’s plans. But removing the Australian Army and a fair bit of the RAAF from the playing field, plus putting enormous pressure on Roosevelt and Churchill to support the demands of Curtin, would be a very big enabler of advances elsewhere.

The Labor Party was hot to get the 6th, 7th and 9th Divs back as fast as possible. Without the 9th Div the progress in the ME would be impeded, and with Japs in Darwin they’d be unconditionally demanded. In case of a Japanese invasion Churchill had also promised a division from India as I recall. Those experienced divisions would be required to retake Darwin, so would not be available for deployment in PNG. Also recall that the Japs had monstered the fleet assets in Ceylon rather painfully.

Darwin is actually like an island really. Except instead of sea to the south it has endless desert – which is even worse that sea, since desert is harder to transport supplies through if there are few roads and no railroads.

miltonf
miltonf
January 10, 2023 6:15 pm
Frank
Frank
January 10, 2023 6:18 pm

“Smoking is the worst thing for heart health.”

Yeah, but it is a kick arse breathing exercise. Mindfulness is where it’s at these days. Paying attention to the breath (along with rhythmic clenching of the sphincter) is the path to godliness, my guru told me.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 6:18 pm

Calli:

Each one of those hives is an investment of about a thousand dollars

That’s the self tappers and all the fiddly bits.
You can, of course buy much cheaper but a close examination shows plywood seams with no protection from the rain. Plus you need the frames/smokers kit etc.

JC
JC
January 10, 2023 6:19 pm

Eddles

Steinbeck! A flamer?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 6:20 pm

PS, you didn’t answer re Midway. Actions in one location have knock on effects elsewhere. You have already given the Solomons to the US without a fight. Form Bougainville, Rabaul comes under significant threat.

With the IJN carriers tied up supporting Darwin and Moresby, and Rabaul under threat from Bougainville, and no Battle of Midway, the USN has an almost free chop at Truk.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 6:21 pm

Gambling that it would not have been rendered unusable during the invasion might have seemed a bit risky, even to the Japanese.

It’s a tiny bit hard to render a flat airstrip on a flat landscape unusable. The Japs would have the airbase going again in days.

Check the standard of the air strips at these three places at the time, not now.

Merauke Force

I don’t know enough about the terrain of Thursday Is, but the guns would’ve been a non-event and there wasn’t much else to stop the Japs if they wished to establish an airstrip on those islands.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 10, 2023 6:22 pm

JC:
He married an ugly woman, no kids, Jury is still out, I’d say heavily closeted.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 6:22 pm

Bruce of N

Just saw your bit on Midway. Put aside the need for at least some of the carriers to stay near Darwin/Moresby, Midway could still have been a disaster for the Japanese.

But enough, we are well into fantasy island now. It didn’t happen, and was never going to happen.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 10, 2023 6:25 pm

Rabbiting on about World War 2 stuff that never happened, for days on end?
Evidence of Latent Homosexuality, or something more sinister?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2023 6:28 pm

So, special ed, Steinbeck was a spook and a flamer.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 6:28 pm

Richard Cranium

You’re the doctor, you tell us.

Frank
Frank
January 10, 2023 6:29 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
January 10, 2023 at 4:34 pm
Heres a tip straight from the wilds of Afghanistan.

Big horrible multi headed boil.
Cut an onion in half across the middle.
Bandage onion with cut side down.
Leave for a day or so
Guts is sucked out of the boils.

Some people just want to watch the world burn, then there are the deviant types that want to see spotty people walking around with onions taped all over themselves.

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
January 10, 2023 6:29 pm

Magnificent trolling by the Chinese ambassador as he raised a glass of Australian red to toast the audience at today’s press conference.
Monty, you could learn a thing or two from this bloke.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 6:37 pm

PS, you didn’t answer re Midway. Actions in one location have knock on effects elsewhere. You have already given the Solomons to the US without a fight. Form Bougainville, Rabaul comes under significant threat.

Yeah, true. If things go differently then there’s a multitude of directions they could go next.

But the short analysis is if you take Darwin and use it as a base then Pt Moresby is easy because you are too far away* for the USN carriers to intervene as successfully as they did in the Coral Sea. The same approach the Japanese took in island hopping in early 1942 if applied to the SE of Timor gets you to several useful potential bases, none of which are able to be defended at the time.

It’s true that the Japs might not have such an easy move into Guadalcanal in this scenario since the USN isn’t so much dragged into the Darwin fight. But Coral Sea wouldn’t happen. Which was a morale booster. And assets would be dragged into defending Australia rather than moving to the offensive. On the other hand the Japanese move into the Solomons was in part because they were exploiting from Rabaul. If instead they’d done the exploiting south instead of south east things would be completely different in ways we can’t foresee. We can all have fun arguing about it though!

(* This was mentioned in one of the RAN history vols, but I can’t remember where.)

Rabz
January 10, 2023 6:37 pm

Jibaro

An extraordinary televisual feast. Highly recommended.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 6:39 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

Maybe China should consider an easier target. I wonder where they could find one with no national service and much easier terrain?

They’re welcome to have a go, if the can keep up the water for the troops during the Dry, and then the fuel and ammo and food during the Wet.
All that while we interdict their sea supply lines with our Collins class subs. 🙂

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2023 6:43 pm

In 1942, with the possible exception of My Isa, all the “good stuff” Japan needed was in southern Australia, unlike today where all the good stuff is in the north. Darwin was worth jack shit to them. If they needed to invade to get resources from Mt Isa, then Cairns would have made a better target.

Japan was trying to isolate Australia by creating the outer defence of the Solomons and Midway

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 6:46 pm

Btw the Japanese carriers were all over the place in 1942 from Ceylon to Midway to Coral Sea. Once a land based air group was established at Darwin the carriers would not hang around.

They’d still get pasted at Midway, but by then the Japanese land force in Darwin would be established. Evicting it would be a right bastard. And that would suck in every asset we had, because politics, plus some from the Poms and the US too.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2023 6:50 pm

Some people just want to watch the world burn, then there are the deviant types that want to see spotty people walking around with onions taped all over themselves.

Love is love

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 6:50 pm

TFM:

Big horrible multi headed boil.
Cut an onion in half across the middle.
Bandage onion with cut side down.
Leave for a day or so
Guts is sucked out of the boils.

Fry with goat testicles at high heat.
Serve on bed of rice.

You were waiting for that, weren’t you?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 6:51 pm

Darwin was worth jack shit to them

Like Timor, Bougainville etc. They were establishing a perimeter. Darwin would be a very defendable and extremely strategic outpost. Nothing more than that.

You want the enemy to attack you where it is to your advantage, and not attack you where you don’t want them to. Darwin would be to Canberra like a honeypot to bees. It’d be politically irresistible.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 6:56 pm

Dot:

We can’t trust Swedes and Frenchies on subs, but off the shelf small arms, planes or missiles, all good.

Unfortunately, the Japanese can’t trust our Defence Bureaucracy with their sub secrets either. Remember them inviting a Chinese bloke to a demonstration of their submarine when theu had explicitly told us it wasn’t to happen?
That was a diplomatic slap across the face to them that should have seen mass sackings across multiple departments.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 7:15 pm

MiltonF:

Eyepatch McCain- what a deadshit

His ‘Terrorist’ remark is exactly the same thing as that other bloke and his “Yeehaa” cry.
Or the Dog Kennel on the car road trip.
The collapsing of his campaign on the road to the Presidency.
The Left will not allow this to die a natural death.

Cassie of Sydney
January 10, 2023 7:15 pm

Two brothers fighting…

https://youtu.be/URC0Q885miA

Frank
Frank
January 10, 2023 7:18 pm

“Big horrible multi headed boil.”

The hydra of pustules, much favoured by engineering students.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 7:25 pm

From The Gateway Pundit:

On Election Day in Maricopa County, over 50% of tabulators and printers failed the moment that polls opened, causing voters to be turned away from the polls and creating long wait times of four hours or more. According to cybersecurity expert Clay Parikh’s testimony, this was an intentional act aimed at disenfranchising Republican voters who turned out 3:1 for Trump-Endorsed candidates. Many of the thousands of voters disenfranchised by this catastrophe were forced to vote provisionally.
Additionally, the recount in Pinal County found hundreds of new votes, heavily favoring Abe Hamadeh and likely other Republican candidates, whose races were not recounted.

Members of the Arizona Legislature and the Arizona Freedom Caucus turned their backs on Katie Hobbs, walked out of her yearly State of the State address Monday, and slammed her in a new statement for the “election riddled with violations” and her embrace of “the left’s extreme, woke agenda.”

calli
calli
January 10, 2023 7:29 pm

Ahahaha Cassie!

No dog bowl. 😀

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 7:29 pm
JC
JC
January 10, 2023 7:32 pm

100% agree, but draw the line at Stelter.

@GadSaad

Let me restate this: Musicals are an affront to human dignity. They are a crime against all that is beautiful. I’d rather go on a romantic date with @brianstelter
than watch a musical.

Frank
Frank
January 10, 2023 7:35 pm

“Biden being impeached?”

He has already inoculated himself against that by being able to pull the dementia card.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:39 pm

Bruce of N

But the short analysis is if you take Darwin and use it as a base then Pt Moresby is easy because you are too far away* for the USN carriers to intervene as successfully as they did in the Coral Sea.

The US carriers could probably not intervene effectively at Darwin, but, operating from the Coral Sea, they could catch the Japanese division (lots of transports and escorts) in the narrow waters of Torres Strait. Maneuvering to avoid air attack there puts the Japanese at major risk of losing ships on reefs as well as to air attack.

There is a reason that the US and RAN wouldn’t send major warshiptotp support the Australian and US forces at Buna/Gona/Sanananda, and that is poor charts. Ditto for the waters of the Torres Strait and the approaches to Moresby.

PS, long way by air from Darwin to Moresby for the Japanese.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:44 pm

Diogenessays:
January 10, 2023 at 6:43 pm
In 1942, with the possible exception of My Isa, all the “good stuff” Japan needed was in southern Australia, unlike today where all the good stuff is in the north. Darwin was worth jack shit to them. If they needed to invade to get resources from Mt Isa, then Cairns would have made a better target.

Japan was trying to isolate Australia by creating the outer defence of the Solomons and Midway

To hope to cut Australia off from the US, the Japanese needed the Solomons, New Hebrides and New Caledonia as a minimum, and preferably Fiji and Samoa. A diversion to Darwin, using around 20% of the force that captured Malaya, Singapore, the Philippines and NEI was not a profitable idea, even if (big if) they managed to get Moresby from the west.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Bruce of N

Evicting it would be a right bastard. And that would suck in every asset we had, because politics, plus some from the Poms and the US too.

The politics is not as simple as you suggest.

To survive politically, Curtin needed MacArthur and the Americans in Australia. If Macarthur said that re-capturing Darwin would extend the war, Curtin might have been unhappy, but he would not, could not, have changed the basic US strategy. Try and the USN/Nimitz get the extra resources, and Australia becomes a minor theatre.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 10, 2023 7:51 pm

BoJo and BoN
Is there a computer game you two can play that can mimic the starting conditions of the WW2 Pacific Theatre so you can test out your alternative history theories?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:52 pm

You want the enemy to attack you where it is to your advantage, and not attack you where you don’t want them to.

Bruce, a sage soldier once said, “We cannot ale=ways fight as we ought, but must fight as we can”. That applied to the Japanese as well as to the Australians and US. The Japanese in Darwin would have been cut off by sea (submarines), and left to rot. Curtin absolutely needed MacArthur and his forces in Australia, and would have complained, but ultimately would have accepted MacA’s advice.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:54 pm

Robert S

Remember them inviting a Chinese bloke to a demonstration of their submarine when theu had explicitly told us it wasn’t to happen?
That was a diplomatic slap across the face to them that should have seen mass sackings across multiple departments.

Thatb was Turdballs, not Defence/Navy.

The Japanese subs were Abbott’s plan, Turdball just had to destroy it. Politics can be shit.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:58 pm

Berka

I’m not big into alternative history. It is what it is, but some ideas so ignore practical reality that they must be challenged. The “Darwin option” is one of those.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 10, 2023 7:59 pm

always fight

Cassie of Sydney
January 10, 2023 8:01 pm

UK commentator Esther Krakue is one of the most beautiful women to appear on television. Esther has just been in Sky, talking about the Ginger and the Whinger. Esther is black, the daughter of Nigerian (or Ghanian) migrants to the UK. Esther just described the Whinger, Meghan Markle as the “whitest black woman on the planet”.

Esther is correct.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 8:01 pm

Boambee John:

Thatb was Turdballs, not Defence/Navy.

I understood it was a DoD decision to invite the Chinese bloke, no?
But I’d believe it of Turnbull setting up someone else to fire the bullet he’d made to scuttle Abbotts project.
That’s the sort of person Turdbull was.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Esther Krauke is (or was born) Ghanian.
One change over that past couple of years; She has ceased the practice of daring males on the internet to bid (to her father) for her hand in marriage.
Rather a shame, as her eyes used to get a really wide daring look in them when she’d drop that on the end of a brief segment.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 10, 2023 8:21 pm

She has ceased the practice of daring males on the internet to bid (to her father) for her hand in marriage.

Pity. I’d go three cows.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Pity. I’d go three cows.

The price was waaaaay higher than that.
Esther knows her value.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2023 8:26 pm

Is there a computer game you two can play that can mimic the starting conditions of the WW2 Pacific Theatre so you can test out your alternative history theories?

I once played a game of Gary Grigsby’s Pacific War with a Yank by email. A MS-DOS game but rather good and with good AI for the time.

It was fun, we had chalk and cheese strategies. He went straight for Marcus Island with everything, so that he could set up and send B-17s as they arrived to Tokyo. That got victory points.

My strategy was ever so slightly different. I went for Calcutta with all the carriers and divisions I could get. And used whatever was left over to impede him off Marcus Island. Including Yamato, which got severely damaged. But he didn’t quite get the island.

Once he worked out what I was doing and that it would cost him every single British reinforcement, thereby giving me a completely safe west backyard he gave up and sadly vanished. Fun game though.

Unfortunately for testing the Darwin scenario it wouldn’t’ve accounted for Curtin crapping his underpants in panic, so it wouldn’t do justice to the idea.

Robert Sewell
January 10, 2023 8:27 pm

Doc Beaugan:

Pity. I’d go three cows.

She isn’t that flash. Could use another ten kilos.
I’ll offer two cows with calves at foot.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 10, 2023 8:34 pm

One normal cow, one retarded cow and a handful of guinea pigs.

Final offer.

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