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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 3:22 pm

Geena Davis moaning that Bill Murray raised his voice at me

She resurfaced recently after a long absence whilst raising a family. I think she might be angling for work, which is no bad thing. Damned fine archer.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
January 18, 2023 3:24 pm

QANTAS flight due in Sydney from Auckland has issued a mayday alert.
Engine problem.

Ah, that explains why 45,000 people are tracking it on Flightradar 24 at the moment.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 3:25 pm

The Renewable Energy Problem That No One Talks About

An obvious barrier to adopting wind and solar power for electricity supply is their intermittency – when the wind isn’t blowing, and the sun isn’t shining, substitute sources are required. This issue is given much attention by conservative media, as it should.

Yet one of the less well-known roadblocks for these renewable technologies is frequency control, even though it becomes a critical concern much sooner.

Since the 1890s, electricity networks and devices all around the globe have used alternating current (AC) systems, which means that the flow of electricity in the system is repeatedly changing direction.

In Australia, it alternates 50 times a second, that is, at a frequency of 50 Hertz (in the USA, it is 60 Hertz).

Supplying electricity at a consistent frequency is very important because appliances and electronics on the network are designed for a specific frequency/voltage input. Therefore, they can be damaged by the wrong electricity supply.

As a rule, networks would rather supply no electricity than bad electricity. Automated controls through the electricity system will disconnect the supply if the frequency or voltage is “off-spec.”

South Australians will not soon forget when this happened to the entire state network in 2016. The state-wide blackout started late in the afternoon during some poor weather conditions, and thousands of people had to drive out of the city without any streetlights or traffic signals.

There were a range of contributing causes, including gusty winds taking down some transmission lines and a lightning strike on a power station.

After those physical causes, automated protection systems took over. Wind turbines disconnected themselves from the network. The system naturally started drawing more load from all remaining supplies, which maxed out the capacity of the interconnector to the rest of the East Coast network, which consequently disconnected.

From that point, the shutdowns cascaded throughout the whole network. This all happened in less than a second.

The potential for a cascading shutdown can never be entirely eliminated; automated protection systems must make decisions at a speed that prevents any human involvement.

Nevertheless, the vulnerability of the whole system can vary, and increasing intermittent renewables contribute to decreasing the system’s stability.

Traditional vs Renewable Generators

Traditional generators use turbines—steam turbines, open-cycle turbines, and water turbines (hydroelectricity). This equipment is called “synchronous” because the frequency of the electricity they produce is directly linked to the speed that the shafts of the turbines rotate.

Because these machines are large and heavy, it takes time and energy to speed them up or slow them down, which means that the frequency of the electricity cannot change too quickly. This is called “inertia.”

As you may imagine, solar panels, having no moving parts, do not provide inertia. They match whatever frequency is already in the system; they do not help stabilise it.

Wind turbines, though they do have large spinning components, change speed all the time merely due to wind conditions. Hence they are not designed to synchronise with the AC network. So they do not provide inertia either.

If a system does not have inertia, then instead of gently responding to a change in load, the frequency can flail about like a cyclist getting speed wobbles (any engine can have the same problem if it doesn’t have a sufficiently heavy flywheel).

After the 2016 blackout, energy security gained its rightful place as the highest priority for a few glorious and brief weeks.

Click Link for rest of Article

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 3:27 pm

You have to wonder if Old Man Greta Thunberg Pokemon, Martin A Armstrong is actually sundowning.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 3:27 pm

Looks like they’re down and not out. Over 100,000 tracking at the end.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
January 18, 2023 3:28 pm

Landed safely in Sydney with 135,000 people watching on Flightradar 24.

shatterzzz
January 18, 2023 3:28 pm

I think I should be advising the Liberals, but they wouldn’t listen to me. I’m too sensible.

yep! .. they (Dudzy’s failures) should take a leaf out of the Iran diplomacy book .. wedge Labor the same way as the mullahs have targetted Harry .. full frontal …!
Folk may laff but they do absorb how easily it was dun .. no one (apart from family) will remember the victim’s name next week but they will remember Ginger & his “chess-pieces” ….. LOL!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:29 pm

JCsays:
January 18, 2023 at 3:18 pm
Wodney Woddenhead.

Let me get this right, the crook and your buddy, Martin Armstrong is referring to Nick Lesson as a rogue trader implying he and the Barings lacked scruples? Armstrong claims the banks was corrupt!

Was posting this crap some sort of sick joke or are you really so twisted and stupid?

Incredible.

Great to see you reacting as normal after getting back from being at the Girly Cafe. Your grammar is rubbish for an alleged financial person – ‘banks was corrupt’. Hmmmmmmm – Back to School for you.

I will keep posting good stuff until you stop abusing everyone on this Site for things that you don’t like. You are the sick joke Mr/Mrs/It/Whatever Jerkoff Cretin. Go away and play in the traffic where you belong.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 3:30 pm

On the deck.
No problems.
ABC already preparing report for 7:00 p.m. news.
“Aviation Experts* Express Maintenance Concerns After Engine Emergency!”
*Steve Purvinas, resident Bolshevik in the LAMEs union.
The report will be full of words like “plunged dramatically” to describe a normal rate of descent.
More likely a warning sensor/light failure than an engine failure.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 18, 2023 3:31 pm

Cassie

Labor is now the party of the inner-west and the wealthy Teal electorates. They no longer care about the working class.

The Liars have been such for some decades now. The Lieborals are too stupid to take advantage of this.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 3:31 pm

Just showed the Beloved how Flightradar24 works. He’s impressed!

It was useful too when supposedly “no one” was travelling. Suuuuuure.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 3:33 pm

Ahahaha! All this Biggles and Algy talk.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:33 pm

I had a dream the other night. In it, I was in the old West riding in a stagecoach. Suddenly, a man riding a horse pulls up to the left side of the stagecoach, and a riderless horse pulls up on the right. The man leans down, pulls open the door, and jumps off his horse into the stagecoach. Then he opens the door on the other side and jumps onto the other horse. Just before he rode off, I yelled out “What was all that about?” He replied “Nothing. It’s just a stage I’m going through”.

A five-year-old boy was mowing his front lawn and drinking a beer. The preacher who lived across the street saw the beer and came over to harass the kid. “Aren’t you a little young to be drinking, son?” he asked. “That’s nothing” the kid said after taking a swig of beer. “I got laid when I was three”. “What? How did that happen?” “I don’t remember. I was drunk”.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:35 pm

I don’t date celebrities.

– Adele

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 3:35 pm

JCsays:

January 18, 2023 at 3:18 pm

Wodney Woddenhead.

Let me get this right, the crook and your buddy, Martin Armstrong is referring to Nick Lesson as a rogue trader implying he and the Barings lacked scruples?

Armstrong has been hilarious today.
Lecturing us that Madoff and Leeson did nafink wrong and it was all the fault of Big Banker.
Yeah, bank controls were a bit slack in both cases, but the primary criminal acts were committed by Leeson and Madoff.
Ho, ho, I wonder where Armstrong is going with this?
Perhaps about to grant himself a pardon for his own multi-billion dollar theft?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 18, 2023 3:37 pm

including the establishment of the National Voice as a new independent Commonwealth entity.

For the “Voice” to be fully financially independent, AnAl might need a second Constitutional amendment to remove that pesky bit about spending only money appropriated according to law.

Section 83 Money to be appropriated by law
No money shall be drawn from the Treasury of the Commonwealth except under appropriation made by law….

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:38 pm

callisays:
January 18, 2023 at 3:33 pm
Ahahaha! All this Biggles and Algy talk.

Reminds me of Allcock and Brown crossing the Atlantic in a Vickers Vimy.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 3:41 pm

No aeroplane talk Wodney Wottenhead.
Stay in your lane.
Whatever that lane is.
Joke recycling maybe?

Rococo Liberal
Rococo Liberal
January 18, 2023 3:42 pm

Some here, like the noble Dover Beach, may remember me from the old Catallaxy Files.

I have only just discovered the new blog. It is wonderful to see so many people here engaged in intelleigent conversation.

I was the one who first used the catchphrase “Sinistra delenda est” on the old blog, so I am glad to see that it is a tag line here.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:42 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
January 18, 2023 at 3:35 pm
JCsays:

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and once again someone rattles your cage and you squawk. Bleat on infinitum as a stooge of Jerkoff Cretin (JC)………………………And maybe Dotty Dot as well.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 3:44 pm

Is Bit Boy (Ben Armstrong) related to Martin A Armstrong???

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 3:45 pm

“Rococo Liberal”

Welcome back.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 18, 2023 3:47 pm

Despite his pretensions, m0nty=fa has clearly demonstrated his support for fascist actions.

Just like Antifa – acting the fascists they claimed to be fighting.

And those poor simpletons who responded – they can’t be fascistic! They are opposed to fascists. More astonishing than the feeble attempt at misdirection are those that fell for it.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 3:47 pm

Section 83 Money to be appropriated by law
No money shall be drawn from the Treasury of the Commonwealth except under appropriation made by law….

Make it (The Voice) a corporation and we’re good to go. That is where the games will begin. Sure you have the CRF as well as s 83 but the Federal budget is so large there is definitely wiggle room.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 18, 2023 3:48 pm

Also, on myocraditis, since the flu has caused myocarditis in bad cases in every flu season, what studies have shown that neither SARS-CoV-2 nor subsequent Covid19/ARDS has caused myocarditis?

Peter McCullough has written addressing this:

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/community-covid-19-respiratory-illness

2 relevant papers

Joy et al performed a detailed prospective cohort study with troponin and multimodality cardiac imaging in healthcare workers who contracted COVID-19 and no evidence of heart damage was found.[ii]

Community studies such as a recent one by Tuvali et al from Israel are far more likely to find a “signal” if it exists in the time period before vaccines were introduced.[iv] As you can see, there was no increase in myocarditis above the very low baseline rate of those without COVID-19 in Israel.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 3:50 pm

More stuff for Jerkoff Cretin, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and Dotty Dottyness…………

The Majority MUST Always be Wrong

From Armstrong Economics –

“Following the crowd of what is popular and supposed to be the cutting edge of investment, Robert Belfer, the oil Barron, lost billions with ENRON and then Bernie Madoff. Then he became a shareholder in FTX. With a track record like that, you certainly would be firing your financial adviser.

The inside joke about DAVOS is that whatever the theme forecast they put out and what they all talk about has NEVER been right. The joke is to do the opposite of the DAVOS forecast and you will make money. Andy Serwer, editor-in-chief of Yahoo Finance, asked Warren Buffett in a 2019 interview about the DAVOS forecasts. He responded: “Well, I pay none as a guideline to doing anything,” Buffett responded. I have said many times, the majority MUST be wrong for they provide the market energy to create the boom/bust cycle. Because the majority buy the high, when they sell, you get the crash. When everyone is short at the bottom, you get the short-cover rally that makes the low.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/training-tools/the-majority-must-always-be-wrong/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 18, 2023 3:50 pm

The prodigal Rococo has returned!

Quick! Kill the fatted calf, put on your festive robes (the ones that you can unbutton around your gut), draw the sweetest wine, and do voice exercises so you can sing out your crudest ditties!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 3:53 pm

Rococo – Great to see you! Things have turned even darker since Doomlord’s Cat but at least we can all have fun with memes and conversations about the mess we’re in. I’m not looking forward to the NSW election, like choosing which means of torture you want applied to you.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
January 18, 2023 3:53 pm

Reminds me of Alcock and Brown crossing the Atlantic in a Vickers Vimy.

I took my mother over to Ireland in October and we saw the farm from where our ancestors emigrated to Australia. Paid extra and upgraded from a self-drive package to having a driver take us around. He was a good listener, we talked about aviation and my earlier career in that area, so he took us as a surprise to the monument near Clifden in County Galway where Alcock and Brown landed on their historic flight. We stopped in town as well, where a statue of the aviators was unveiled in 2019 on the centenary of their flight.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 3:55 pm

What if you don’t follow the crowd and lose 3 bn USD of investor’s money?

What if you don’t follow the crowd and run a 46 mn USD trading fund but tell your clients its worth 1 billion USD?

What kind of “short cover rally” will that precipitate?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Rococo Liberal: Good to see you.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 3:56 pm

I was the one who first used the catchphrase “Sinistra delenda est” on the old blog, so I am glad to see that it is a tag line here.

It will happen, the normies are slowly waking up.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 4:04 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
January 18, 2023 at 3:41 pm
No aeroplane talk Wodney Wottenhead.
Stay in your lane.
Whatever that lane is.
Joke recycling maybe?

As I worked for Rolls Royce Aero Engines in England before coming to Convict’s Paradise, I am in my lane. You are maybe on the pavement with your tricycle and training wheels.

Robert Sewell
January 18, 2023 4:05 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

Funny how price caps always do this. It’s almost as if the Labor Party didn’t learn anything at all from all those empty Soviet shops.

And someone posed the question:

The only question is, since energy price caps are failing to deliver the politically desired outcome, what is the government’s next move?

The next move will be to reinforce the failure of the legislation. Not because they’re a bunch of incompetents who would be hard pressed at unrolling a roll of dunny paper, but because Nationalisation was the end of the process anyway.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2023 4:06 pm

Travel talk, please scroll if disinterested.
Very tiring plane rides. Both flights very full, first leg I got stuck between an older female odd couple who must have been hoping to get an empty seat between them. They spoke across me in a language I didn’t recognise, sounded a bit German and a bit middle eastern, I figured it out after a while and my guess was confirmed when I glanced at one of their ereaders. They got pretty toey coming into Dubai at 1 10 pm, their connecting flight was at 2 pm. I said they should jump ahead of the exit queue but they were a bit slow off the mark. People behind started muttering but I said to a couple of them their connection was at 2 so they shut up. Other people were louder including a female pom, but they seemed to be allowed through. Anyhow I didn’t see them after that. Hope they made it. Dubai seems better organised, not the frightful cattle crush getting screened it had been in the past. Rome flight was full too, probably because middle of the day, not middle of the night thay I usually get. I binge watched season 21 of law and order which was made last year, after a hiatus of more than ten years. Sam Waterson aka Jack McCoy is now the DA though he must be in his eighties. Very topical as you’d expect, and not as good as the early seasons. There was an Elon Musk type character in one episode, possibly an Alex Jones in another. Very conscious that they were all ‘acting’. They even included calling your black GF ‘brown sugar ‘ was evidence of racism. I don’t know that the show’s producers buy in to all of it though.
After uneventful Roman train and bus rides I missed getting milk at Carrefour by two minutes, I’ll have to get some when it opens this morning. I could not get my international roaming to function so couldn’t contact my host, but fortunately another apartment block resident told me which two buzzers I should try and my host came and fetched me. While I was waiting a chef with a meal in a takeaway container on a plate approached one of the apartment windows and was calling out ‘Anna Anna’ a hand came out of the window and took the meal. They must have a meals on wheels type arrangement. The apartment is pretty roomy, high ceilings and separate sitting room and kitchen, a little street noise but not much. My only gripe is the one and only bathtowel is ancient and tiny, the sort of towel they sell at salvos as a pet towel for a dollar, but I’m not going to buy one, she says resolutely. Oh and only one roll of toilet paper but that’s okay, I brought a spare. Temperature is mild, haven’t bothered with heating.
Going to walk up to Vodafone and get a tourist trap sim as well when the sun comes up. It’s a nice walk across the Tiber with Vatican views and Roman ruins opposite the Vodafone store
I’ll cope.

Rococo Liberal
Rococo Liberal
January 18, 2023 4:08 pm

Thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Having now had the opportunity to read some of the posts here, I’m really happy to see so many of the old monikers are still around. I’m also happy to see so much sense still lives in a world gone mad with leftist BS.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 4:11 pm

The next move will be to reinforce the failure of the legislation. Not because they’re a bunch of incompetents who would be hard pressed at unrolling a roll of dunny paper, but because Nationalisation was the end of the process anyway.

If this Country puts up with Nationalisation then it’s gone.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 4:15 pm

Rosie – If you visit the Panthenon try not to get sent back in time to the Ostrogoth Kingdom.

I’ve never been to Rome, except via the written word, albeit a lot of written words!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 4:16 pm

As I worked for Rolls Royce Aero Engines in England before coming to Convict’s Paradise, I am in my lane. You are maybe on the pavement with your tricycle and training wheels.

I do like it when Poms arrive here with a Superiority Complex.
The inevitable crash and ensuing bitter whining is music to the ears.

JC
JC
January 18, 2023 4:17 pm

Great to see you reacting as normal after getting back from being at the Girly Cafe. Your grammar is rubbish for an alleged financial person – ‘banks was corrupt’. Hmmmmmmm – Back to School for you.

Great pickup woddenhead

Meant to be “Barings was corrupt”. You keep focusing on Marty and spellcheck. You dickhead

By the way, is Woddenhead misspelt too or is that how the Thai ladyboy speaks?

Robert Sewell
January 18, 2023 4:21 pm

Old Ozzie:
I just voted. But there’s something fishy happening:

Are you in favour of enshrining a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution?
Yes 18 %
No 73 %
Unsure 9 %

Your vote count:

Are you in favour of enshrining a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution?

Yes 70 %
No 17 %
Unsure 13 %

Original site

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
January 18, 2023 4:22 pm

The great replacement is real

Australia is on track for net migration of more than 300,000 people this year, more than 25% higher than Treasury forecasts, due to a surge in arrivals, according to a former top immigration official.

Abul Rizvi, the former deputy secretary of the immigration department, said that Treasury forecasts of a 235,000-person annual boost to population from migration – the long term pre-pandemic average – have “significantly underestimated” net figures.

Rizvi’s intervention comes as the treasurer, Jim Chalmers, signalled the government could adopt a proposal from the Business Council of Australia for permanent migration to be set as a percentage of the total population, automatically raising the current cap of 195,000.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 4:24 pm

QF144: Safe landing after Qantas mayday call

By Robyn Ironside
Aviation Writer
@ironsider
4:11PM January 18, 2023
6 Comments

A Qantas 737 flying to Sydney from Auckland has landed safely after issuing a mayday call just over midway through the flight due to engine failure.

Emergency services were on standby and other flights held on the ground, as the aeroplane registered VH-XZB made what appeared to be a textbook landing at Sydney Airport just before 3.30pm AEDT.
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Flight QF144 had left Auckland 36 minutes late before making the may day call to report the loss of one of its two engines over the Tasman Sea.

Boeing 737s can safely fly on one engine but any engine loss is considered very serious.

A mayday call indicates an aircraft is in grave or imminent danger.

Qantas is expected to release a statement shortly.

The ten year-old aircraft seats up to 174 passengers, and there are normally six crew on board the narrow body jets.

More to come.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
January 18, 2023 4:25 pm

Test

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 4:26 pm

Winston – The survey in news.com.au and the Tele seem to be the same survey. I voted early and it was up to 51% “no” about half an hour after Old Ozzie linked it. Now 73% against as you say (I just checked).

More interesting is that the lefties who favour news.com.au haven’t spammed it.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
January 18, 2023 4:26 pm

Test 2

Robert Sewell
January 18, 2023 4:27 pm

Black Ball:
You’re missing the point that the whole thing is about collapsing the gas industry so it can be declared yet another example of market failure. The government will then nationalise the industry, and guess who wins?
The Unions, of course. Lot’s and lots of union jobs and dues, plus the income from them.
They aren’t stupid, but we are for voting for them.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 4:27 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
January 18, 2023 at 4:16 pm
As I worked for Rolls Royce Aero Engines in England before coming to Convict’s Paradise, I am in my lane. You are maybe on the pavement with your tricycle and training wheels.

I do like it when Poms arrive here with a Superiority Complex.
The inevitable crash and ensuing bitter whining is music to the ears.

You were the one that tried to take a pop. You didn’t like my response to your weak pop? Well stiff shite. You seem to have a weak chin you chinless w@nker……………….I thought that Men/Aussies were tougher than that.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose you are so well named……………………………..

Speedbox
January 18, 2023 4:33 pm

BoN (and others) – you may be interested in this about electric scooter fires. Apparently, 75,000 new scooters were sold in Australia in 2022.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-18/e-scooter-lithium-battery-fire-risk-fears-/101863902

I’ve seen on the news services that either 3 or 4 e-scooter fires have occurred in Brisbane so far this year which, considering it’s only the 18th, doesn’t auger well.

I’ve mentioned previously that I’m a e-scooter owner and one thing I have seen on the TV when they show the remains of the scooter, the scooter is one of the cheap versions which can usually be purchased for <$500. Sure, they shouldn't burst into flames, but you get what you pay for in terms of battery and charger quality.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 4:34 pm

Dover bait…

Shoigu is softening up the population for another round of conscription.

Russia to expand size of military to 1.5 million troops, defense minister says (17 Jan)

Putin backs initiative to boost army size, raise conscription age (Tass, 22 Dec)

Which suggests they’re burning through warm bodies.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 18, 2023 4:35 pm

And even more to rev up Jerkoff Cretin (JC), Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, Dotty Dot and their ilk…………

The Madoff Cover-Up

From Armstrong Economics –

“For those who just read the news and believe whatever they report, in the industry, everyone talks all the time. If Madoff was losing billions trading, everyone would have known. It is one thing to have a portfolio of assets that itself collapses in value which would NOT involve trading, then that presents a more private issue but everyone would suspect something for the news would be circulating around as to what he bought. There is just no way money vanishes. The likely prospect is that Bernie was aware of the dark side of Wall Street and perhaps facilitated that for a price.

Bernie’s case began on December 10th, 2008. Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns both collapsed and the Fed took over Fannie & Freddie. The collapse of Lehman shocked the world and that unleashed real panic. That above all took down Madoff, but then came the bailout of AIG which was really to save Goldman Sachs. No doubt, Bernie was hit with withdrawals and on whatever investment he did have in place, he would have lost a fortune without a Ponzi scheme. With the practice of laundering money going on in NYC, no doubt the counterparty risks collapsed. That most likely pushed Bernie over the edge.

Understand one thing. Madoff did not collapse in isolation. His losses were curiously suddenly attributed to a Ponzi scheme. That was very convenient. Calling something a Ponzi scheme as a matter of law meant that EVERY transaction was a fraud. Therefore, that cuts off all investigations to understand what really happened. It is no longer needed because everything and every transaction need not be investigated because it was all Bernie as a fraud.

As long as they called it a “Ponzi Scheme” there was no investigation into money laundering.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/banking-crisis/the-madoff-cover-up/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 18, 2023 4:37 pm

Johnny Rottensays @ January 18, 2023 at 4:04 pm

As I worked for Rolls Royce Aero Engines in England before coming to Convict’s Paradise, I am in my lane. You are maybe on the pavement with your tricycle and training wheels.

well played Sir!, but FYI Sancho is one of our lesser trolls … not top tier, but probably shouldn’t be fed either…..

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 4:38 pm

Well, well, well – Rococo Liberal has found us. Every time I see your name I think of Fragonard’s Girl on the Swing.

Whether you are the lass losing her shoe, or the happy gentleman glimpsing her undies…only you can say. 🙂

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 4:40 pm

Understand one thing. Madoff did not collapse in isolation. His losses were curiously suddenly attributed to a Ponzi scheme. That was very convenient.

He ran a 64 bn USD ponzi scheme.

Calling something a Ponzi scheme as a matter of law meant that EVERY transaction was a fraud.

No, this is not true at all.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Hmmm

Understand one thing. Madoff did not collapse in isolation. His losses were curiously suddenly attributed to a Ponzi scheme. That was very convenient.

He ran a 64 bn USD ponzi scheme.

and

Calling something a Ponzi scheme as a matter of law meant that EVERY transaction was a fraud.

No, this is not true at all.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 4:45 pm

Speedy – You are fully aware of the equipment, whereas the typical vapid Green charging a scooter in its apartment probably isn’t. The combination of high density housing and Li ion batteries is a worry – dendritic faults and manufacturing quality issues are a statistical lottery. They are improving though, which is good.

I still haven’t seen anyone riding one of the Beam purple scooters which decorate my suburb, and in about a year I’ve seen a Beam bike being ridden exactly once – by a school kid going home.

Tom
Tom
January 18, 2023 4:46 pm

Great to see you here, Rococo Liberal — one of the classical liberal thinkers and a critic of Australia’s hopeless Liberal Party.

What the hell was Menzies thinking when he named it the Liberal Party?

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 4:46 pm

I thought you might be en route, rosie the towel challenged.

Brings back memories of a pensione in Florence masquerading as a hotel. Where the drains didn’t work and the shower was over the loo.

Good times.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 4:47 pm

This is worth a read. Keep in mind that idiot Jubelin (I think, scum) has his own podcasts, etc and is even pushing political candidates

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/noble-cause-corruption-police-committing-crimes-to-achieve-criminal-convictions/

Having failed to implicate Mr Savage and with the objective of obtaining a conviction and thereby appeasing the public, Jubelin and his fellow officers concocted a plan to “crack” an innocent man, William (Bill) Spedding; in other words, to put so much pressure on him that he would provide information regarding young William’s disappearance.

That plan involved, among many other things, bringing bogus historical child sexual assault charges against the washing machine repairman by “coaching” complainants to fabricate non-existent events, before fronting the media to present him as a paedophile.

Police undertook numerous exhaustive searches of Mr Spedding’s property from 2015, emptying his septic tank and digging areas of his property, as well as conducting physical and electronic surveillance. Not a shred of evidence was ever uncovered linking him to young William’s disappearance.

In what can only be seen as an appalling abuse of process, Mr Spedding was nevertheless charged with the child sexual assault offences.

He was acquitted of all charges after a trial in 2018.

Spedding brought civil proceedings for malicious prosecution the next year and, just last week, Justice Harrison of the Supreme Court found in his favour, awarding him nearly $1.5 million in damages plus legal costs.

The judge was scathing in his criticism of the investigators, noting that the child sexual assault charges were, “concocted and false and could not be supported”, and that:

“Mr Spedding’s reputation was comprehensively destroyed as the result of his arrest and prosecution on the historical sexual assault allegations. It is doubtful that it will ever be restored.”

The award included both aggravated and exemplary damages which will, of course, ultimately be paid by New South Wales taxpayers and not by the offending officers.

The relentless pursuit and systematic annihilation of an innocent man was also an act of injustice towards young William and his family, diverting resources from the pursuit of the actual culprit/s. 

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 4:51 pm

Robert Sewell says:
January 18, 2023 at 4:21 pm

Old Ozzie:
I just voted. But there’s something fishy happening:

Are you in favour of enshrining a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution?
Yes 18 %
No 73 %
Unsure 9 %

Your vote count:

Are you in favour of enshrining a First Nations Voice to Parliament in the Australian Constitution?

Yes 70 %
No 17 %
Unsure 13 %

Robert its was 1369 votes when I voted and I was surprsied at Yes Vote good to see NO has overtaken easily

Now

Yes 18 %
No 73 %
Unsure 9 %
9228 votes

Jorge
Jorge
January 18, 2023 4:52 pm

Have read nothing at all by this writer but what a life. James Clavell.

Biography[edit]
Early life[edit]
Born in Australia, Clavell was the son of Commander Richard Charles Clavell, a Royal Navy officer who was stationed in Australia with the Royal Australian Navy from 1920 to 1922. Richard Clavell was posted back to England when James was nine months old. Clavell was educated at Portsmouth Grammar School.[5]
World War II[edit]
In 1940, Clavell joined the Royal Artillery. Though trained for desert warfare, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941 he was sent to Singapore to fight the Japanese. The ship taking his unit was sunk en route to Singapore, and the survivors were picked up by a Dutch boat fleeing to India. The commander, described by Clavell years later as a “total twit”, insisted that they be dropped off at the nearest port to fight the war despite having no weapons.[6]
Imprisoned in Changi[edit]
Shot in the face,[6] he was captured in Java in 1942 and sent to a Japanese prisoner of war camp on Java. Later he was transferred to Changi Prison in Singapore.[7]
In 1981, Clavell recounted:
Changi became my university instead of my prison. Among the inmates there were experts in all walks of life—the high and the low roads. I studied and absorbed everything I could from physics to counterfeiting, but most of all I learned the art of surviving, the most important course of all.[6]
Prisoners were fed a quarter of a pound of rice per day, one egg per week and occasional vegetables. Clavell believed that if atomic bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki he would not have survived the war.[6]
Clavell did not talk about his wartime experiences with anyone, even his wife, for 15 years after the war. For a time he carried a can of sardines in his pocket at all times and fought an urge to forage for food in trash cans. He also experienced bad dreams and a nervous stomach kept him awake at night.[6]
Post-war career[edit]
By 1946 Clavell had become a captain, but a motorcycle accident ended his military career. He enrolled with the University of Birmingham, where he met April Stride, an actress, whom he married in 1949 (date of marriage sometimes given as 1951).[8] He would visit her on the film sets where she was working and began to be interested in becoming a film director.[9

Politics and later life[edit]
In 1963 Clavell became a naturalised citizen of the United States.[6] Politically, he was said to have been an ardent individualist and proponent of laissez-faire capitalism, as many of his books’ heroes exemplify. Clavell admired Ayn Rand, founder of the Objectivist school of philosophy, and sent her a copy of Noble House during 1981 inscribed: “This is for Ayn Rand—one of the real, true talents on this earth for which many, many thanks. James C, New York, 2 September 81.”[36] Between 1970 and 1990, Clavell lived at Fredley Manor near Mickleham, located in Surrey in South East England.[37]
Death[edit]
In 1994, Clavell died in Switzerland from a stroke while suffering from cancer. He died one month before his 73rd birthday. After sponsorship by his widow, the library and archive of the Royal Artillery Museum at the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich, in southeast London, was renamed the James Clavell Library in his honour.[38] The library was later closed pending the opening of a new facility in Salisbury, Wiltshire;[39] however, James Clavell Square on the Royal Arsenal development on Woolwich riverside remains.

shatterzzz
January 18, 2023 4:58 pm

Apparently, 75,000 new scooters were sold in Australia in 2022.

All the bike riding I do .. 6 days a week, several hundred kms a week and I’ve yet to see an e-scooter around Fairfield/Liverpool .. seen several e-bikes (mainly elderly SE Asians) around the Fairfield shopping precinct but no scooters …

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
January 18, 2023 4:58 pm

“One engine is plenty.”

More is better. Also, the only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 5:00 pm

Clavell believed that if atomic bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki he would not have survived the war.

Something that many people forget when huffing and puffing about the bombs.

Robert Sewell
January 18, 2023 5:06 pm

Cassie:

Whilst our supposed conservative/right of centre parties, the Liberals and Nationals, do and say nothing to oppose any of this.

Their job is to block any effective labor opposition from arising.
They have no intention of shitting – just blocking access to the dunny.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 5:10 pm

James Clavell

I read Shogun a long time ago, a breathtaking novel. Well worth reading, a fine story full of history and culture, which from memory holds up well.

Robert Sewell
January 18, 2023 5:11 pm

roger;

I’d suggest by the time the next election falls due the public won’t know what’s hit them after having suffered the biggest fall in living standards in living memory.

No. They’ll be celebrating the chocolate ration rising to 20 grams/week.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 5:12 pm

Sydney eclipses 30 degrees, a first in 331 days, before ‘dangerous’ storms arrive

Sydney has passed 30 degrees for the first time in 331 days, but a dangerous storm is expected to arrive in the evening and send temperatures plummeting.

Maximum temperatures have stayed below 30 degrees in the city since February 21 last year – a streak only bested by a 339-day record set in 1883.

Sydney’s Observatory Hill recorded 30.1 degrees at 2.30pm on Wednesday and was expected to reach its peak before 4pm.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 5:13 pm

Something that many people forget when huffing and puffing about the bombs.

One of the locals in the town where I used to live was a former Prisoner of War, and he was convinced of the same – those bombs had saved his life.

His very “woke” grandchildren were appalled – “how could you use a weapon like that against women and children?”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 5:14 pm

Robert Sewell says:
January 18, 2023 at 5:11 pm

roger;

I’d suggest by the time the next election falls due the public won’t know what’s hit them after having suffered the biggest fall in living standards in living memory.

No. They’ll be celebrating the chocolate ration rising to 20 grams/week.

Meanwhile Cadburys 1 & 1/2 Cups in every block will have dropped from 250g down t0 100g (well on the way down in the Supermarkets at the minute)

cohenite
January 18, 2023 5:22 pm

OldOzziesays:
January 18, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Renewable Energy Problem That No One Talks About

An obvious barrier to adopting wind and solar power for electricity supply is their intermittency – when the wind isn’t blowing, and the sun isn’t shining, substitute sources are required. This issue is given much attention by conservative media, as it should.

Yet one of the less well-known roadblocks for these renewable technologies is frequency control, even though it becomes a critical concern much sooner.

I’ve been talking about it for years; when I mention it to the media their eyes glaze over. For a long while and perhaps still these tards didn’t know there were 2 types of electricity. Sheeple and the msm; the down fall of the West.

cohenite
January 18, 2023 5:24 pm

Once the croak is in the constitution, no matter how innocuous the wording, it’s all over: one half decent HC case and the 3rd nations are running the joint. Oh wait.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 18, 2023 5:28 pm

Jorge thanks for that bit on James Clavell. Read a few of his books but his own life is probably more interesting.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 18, 2023 5:33 pm

The great Nadal. Possibly the last time we will see him in Australia. Clearly injured, played the match out but defeated by American bloke.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 18, 2023 5:33 pm

Don’t Cadbury’s advertise 1 and a half in every block. The just don’t say what anymore. If they say cups I may have to complain to the false advertising department. Have to listen more carefully. Not that I eat their products anyway.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 18, 2023 5:38 pm

More is better. Also, the only time you have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.

And also, the 2 most useless things to a pilot:

Air above you
Runway behind you…

🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 5:40 pm

Once the croak is in the constitution, no matter how innocuous the wording, it’s all over: one half decent HC case and the 3rd nations are running the joint

Been the agenda since the mid 1970’s. Voice – Treaty, involving massive sums payable in “compensation” and ‘reparations”- Sovereign Aboriginal State, encompassing all the area currently under “land rights” claims.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 18, 2023 5:40 pm

huffing and puffing about the bombs.

IF I was President at that time, I would have dropped them, and as that was the total stock of bombs I would have ordered the production of another 50 or so and kept dropping them until the place did not exist.
Actions have consequences.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 5:41 pm

Dot at 4:47.
Wow!
I have always been very uncomfortable with the media campaigns framing up people in the Tyrell case.
I think NSW Plod have effectively screwed any chance of ever getting a conviction with their ham-fisted media smear campaigns.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 5:45 pm

I would have ordered the production of another 50 or so and kept dropping them until the place did not exist.
Actions have consequences.

That was basically the American plan – six bombs were reserved for the invasion of Kyushu, after that, as each bomb was completed, it was to be dropped on Japan, with Tokyo as the next target.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 5:47 pm

He ran a 64 bn USD ponzi scheme.

Slight correction Dot.
Madoff ran a scheme which took in $19bn.
The fictitious accumulated valuation of accounts with Madoff, based on fudged earnings figures was $64bn.
The $64bn never existed, except on the clunky old computers on the 17th floor of the Lipstick Building.

Zipster
January 18, 2023 5:49 pm

‘It might be the appropriate outcome’: Henry Kissinger, 99, says he is no longer opposed to Ukraine joining NATO and says the war-torn nation can never be neutral again
Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger thinks Ukraine must join NATO
Kissinger previously said that Ukraine should be neutral from the east and west
He was speaking at the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Switzerland
Kissinger also stressed that the rest of the world should not alienate Russia

JC
JC
January 18, 2023 5:50 pm

flyingduk says:
January 18, 2023 at 4:37 pm

Johnny Rottensays @ January 18, 2023 at 4:04 pm

As I worked for Rolls Royce Aero Engines in England before coming to Convict’s Paradise, I am in my lane. You are maybe on the pavement with your tricycle and training wheels.

well played Sir!, but FYI Sancho is one of our lesser trolls … not top tier, but probably shouldn’t be fed either…..

Duk, not for nothing, he’s posting screeds of Armstrong that are so terrible – so bad- that even a novice at economics etc would realize and it would suggest Woddenhead may have worked at Rolls Royce Aero, but more likely as the janitor.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 5:50 pm

Once again, convicted thief Martin Armstrong regurgitates something he read or saw on Netflix, and adds a bit of Armstrong special sauce.
In this instance, building a flimsy case that his own Ponzi wasn’t a crime either, and he was just a fall guy for Big Banking.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 18, 2023 5:54 pm

and adds a bit of Armstrong special sauce.

Are we back talking about the specsavers ad Dover posted yesterday?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 18, 2023 5:55 pm

Something Different – Rosie on the Way Back Through Dubai?

Deep Dive Dubai: Take a dip in the world’s deepest pool

To do so, divers must be accompanied by a guide and use the state-of-the-art gear provided. After a thorough briefing, we head off into the great nothing. It’s midday, the best time to dive according to Jesper, when rays of sunshine overhead illuminate the pool with an ethereal glow. It’s a lot to take in at first. I’ve got to breathe, equalise and keep my position horizontal, all the while processing and navigating this very surreal environment. But nerves are soon replaced with awe.

To inflict the same wonder on my friends, I’ve opted for the premium Platinum Package, which is a more technical term for scuba-celebrity and includes a personal videographer. There are plenty of props to interact with to 12 metres, and Jesper guides me throughout the upper reaches, swimming through rooms, sitting on a car, posing in doorways, on benches, juggling pool balls and re-arranging chess pieces.

“Deeper down, we have a fully furnished apartment with a kitchen, bedroom and living room. At 40 metres, we have a garage with more cars and motorbikes and a workshop. So there are a lot of areas to come and visit,” says Jesper.

Afterwards, I’m euphoric. If you need any convincing, just look down.

THE DETAILS

FLY + RIDE

Fly to Dubai, then catch an Uber or local Careem to Deep Dive Dubai at NAS Sports Complex in Nad Al Sheba, roughly 15 minutes’ drive from Dubai International Airport.

DIVE

Deep Dive Dubai supplies state-of-the-art diving equipment and scuba dives start from AED1200 (AUD$491) for certified divers, or from AED3000 (AUD$1228) for a Platinum Package, which includes a videographer (divers cannot bring their own Go-Pros).

STAY

If you’re diving deeper than 15 metres, you’ll need to wait 24 hours before your next flight. Address Beach Resort has impressive views of the Palm and JBR Beach; rooms from AED2250 (AUD$921).

Christine
Christine
January 18, 2023 5:56 pm

Shogun, a fascinating novel, but I found the torture episode early in the piece really difficult to read.
Rosie does have the best travel tales.

JC
JC
January 18, 2023 5:57 pm

In this instance, building a flimsy case that his own Ponzi wasn’t a crime either, and he was just a fall guy for Big Banking.

Marty was the victim here.

I reckon it ought to be re-booted as Faultynomics,

Speedbox
January 18, 2023 6:01 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
January 18, 2023 at 4:45 pm
shatterzzz says:
January 18, 2023 at 4:58 pm

That’s surprising. In Brisbane CBD and within, say, 4 kms of the CBD they are prolific, both the rental versions and those privately owned. Bloody things are being used everywhere – and I say that as a scooter rider. To be honest, it’s getting a bit silly because scooters almost outnumber pedestrians in some specific areas of the CBD (around 5pm) and scooters are not generally allowed on the roads. There are some exceptions to that rule and the Brisbane City Council also built some ‘bike lanes’ which scooters can use.

In any case, some people treat their scooters with disregard such as jumping gutters, dropping them etc. Then, after getting home to some airless apartment or room, they plug it in and leave it. The fires to date appear to have been in houses but I fear that one day an entire apartment building will go up in flames in the middle of the night. The implications of that could be terrible.

Some of the scooters you can buy online (and in some stores) are just junk. Cheap and nasty with corresponding risks.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 18, 2023 6:07 pm

Turds wont let an innocent 7-Nilligan chap be buried without making it all about them.

‘Petty’: ribbons for abuse victims removed from Sydney church hosting Pell funeral
Campaigners have been tying coloured ribbons to fence of St Mary’s Cathedral ahead of Cardinal George Pell’s mass on Thursday 2 February

And the usual unflushable turds appear.

The ribbon-tying campaign in Sydney was amplified by a series of tweets by Simon Hunt, the satirist sometimes known as Pauline Pantsdown, who encouraged locals to emulate the actions of residents in Ballarat.

“[Pell’s] death has triggered a lot of memories and feelings among people who are survivors of child sexual assault. I’m not a Christian, I’m not personally affected by child sexual assault, aside from relationships with friends and family who have been,” he said.

“It was very much the whitewashing of George Pell that made me go forward and start that campaign – although when I got there there was already a ribbon there.”

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
January 18, 2023 6:10 pm

One of the locals in the town where I used to live was a former Prisoner of War, and he was convinced of the same – those bombs had saved his life.

His very “woke” grandchildren were appalled – “how could you use a weapon like that against women and children?”

My father was based in Balikpapan, Borneo when the war ended. Mountbatten visited them on parade and iterated that their group would probably have been used in any invasion of the Japanese mainland if the bombs weren’t dropped.

I’m not glad they dropped those bombs but I support the decision. It saved many Allies lives.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 18, 2023 6:13 pm

Mussolini, the great emancipator!

Abolition came slowly, the result of “external and internal realities”, says Ahmed. The first big step came in 1923 when Haile Selassie signed an accord promising to end slavery to gain admittance to the League of Nations, although the practice was not stamped out entirely. In the 1930s, Benito Mussolini used the issue to justify his invasion of Ethiopia, which Italian fascist propaganda cast as a “civilising mission”.
In 1942, after Ethiopia’s liberation from Italian occupation, Haile Selassie issued the decree abolishing slavery. Even then, the practice lingered in some pockets and the influence of the former slave-owning aristocracy would not be smashed until 1974, when revolution swept to power the Provisional Military Administrative Council, also known as the Derg, a Marxist-Leninist military junta that introduced land reforms.

Wilberforce, Lincoln and Mussolini….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 6:14 pm

From the Oz – I’ve posted the whole article.

Louise Milligan ‘ignores key facts on George Pell’

By CHRIS MERRITT
Legal Affairs Contributor
9:25PM January 17, 2023

One of the nation’s leading authorities on criminal law has accused ABC journalist Louise Milligan of repeatedly ignoring facts about the prosecution of the late Cardinal George Pell that do not support her views.

Jeremy Gans, who teaches criminal law at the University of Melbourne, believes an article written by Milligan about Pell risks misleading readers about the law and aspects of the case.

“It’s a recurrent problem with Milligan’s journalism. If there are facts that don’t help her argument, she doesn’t tell readers, she just leaves them out,” Professor Gans said.

Milligan, who won a Walkley award for a book on Pell, did not respond to Professor Gans.

His critique of her journalism was triggered by an article in The Saturday Paper of January 14, three days after the cardinal’s death, in which Milligan wrote about “The child abuse cases in which ­George Pell was never tried”.

In a series tweets the same day, Professor Gans pointed to inconsistencies between Milligan’s article and a 2019 judgment in the Pell case by Chief Judge Peter Kidd of Victoria’s County Court.

Professor Gans wrote that Milligan “leaves out all the key bits of Kidd’s reasoning” when the judge determined that multiple complaints against Pell should not be heard together.

“The main point is that two of the three accounts couldn’t establish anything criminal or even improper, and effectively added nothing to the one clear account,” Professor Gans wrote.

Pell spent 405 days in prison after being convicted of child sex offences before the High Court unanimously overturned his convictions in April 2020.

Milligan wrote that she had interviewed two men in 2016 and “both said Pell abused them at the Eureka pool in the 1970s”.

Professor Gans noted that according to the Kidd judgment, “only one of the two pool complainants said that. The other one described one fleeting touch that he and the DPP conceded may have been accidental”.

He wrote that none of this “disproves Pell’s guilt or Milligan’s case that he’s a terrible man” but the omission of certain material was frustrating “because she risks misleading readers on a controversial part of the law, on tendency and coincidence evidence”.

That body of law would readily have allowed all those complaints to be heard together “had two or more been even close to solid,” Professor Gans wrote.

Milligan’s article also referred to accusations of sexual assault at Melbourne’s St Patrick’s Cathedral that concerned a boy who subsequently died.

Professor Gans wrote: “She says, of the deceased boy: ‘The boy, like so many others, never told.’ And describes his parents as perplexed and seeking help, etc.

“But she leaves out that the boy expressly denied any abuse. Again, this doesn’t disprove Pell’s guilt. It’s easy to imagine reasons why the boy would falsely deny being abused.

“What’s harder to understand is why Milligan wouldn’t mention this bit – which was strongly relied on by Pell.

“The same is of course true of her summary of the outcome of the trial and appeals.”

He quotes Milligan as writing: “Years later, this testimony led to conviction by a jury, which was also upheld by the Victorian Court of Appeal. The High Court later acquitted Pell.”

Professor Gans writes that this was “all true but a different jury [was] hung, the Court of Appeal decision was close and the High Court was unanimous”.

“Everyone knows that, of course, but do they know that the High Court found the prosecution didn’t challenge evidence that simply left no time for Pell to do the crimes alleged?

“I’ve never seen how Milligan explains the timing argument.

“Does she think the High Court misunderstood the evidence? Or that the law that requires the DPP to challenge contrary witnesses is a bad law? Or does she just not want to discuss this issue,” he wrote.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 6:18 pm

Speedy – My part of Newcastle is bogan industrial lefty not progressive lefty. Very high ALP primary vote. Interesting the difference in culture. I increasingly see oldies on e-bikes on the shared-path but they’re their own e-bikes. And e-scooters are very rare – a few youngun’s only. I don’t think the hire and ride culture has gotten within 20 km of us yet. Uber probably doesn’t do much business either, although that’s more a gut feel on my part.

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 6:19 pm

Don’t Cadbury’s advertise 1 and a half in every block. The just don’t say what anymore.

It’s “a glass and a half in every block”.

I’m thinking those dicky little cut glass sherry glasses.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 6:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35F7HScGZ_s

“What Reparations might look like in Australia.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2023 6:35 pm

I’m not certain exactly who is in the lead in the “partnership” between Governments and Corporations.

Ask who is paying the bills? There’s your answer.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2023 6:42 pm

I do like it when Poms arrive here with a Superiority Complex.
The inevitable crash and ensuing bitter whining is music to the ears.

You would love Hillarys and Perf Glory games.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 6:45 pm

“I’m not glad they dropped those bombs but I support the decision. It saved many Allies lives.”

The Allies had no choice. The Allied casualties from any invasion of mainland Japan would have been catastrophic. The Americans had a taste of this when they launched a ground assault on Okinawa. The casualties for both the Americans and the Japanese were massive.
This is from Wikipedia but it gives an fairly accurate rundown of what happened in Okinawa.

“The battle has been referred to as the “typhoon of steel” in English, and kotetsu no ame (“rain of steel”) or kotetsu no hageshi kaze (“violent wind of steel”) in Japanese. The nicknames refer to the ferocity of the fighting, the intensity of Japanese kamikaze attacks and the sheer numbers of Allied ships and armored vehicles that assaulted the island. The battle was the bloodiest in the Pacific, with around 50,000 Allied and 84,166–117,000 Japanese deaths, including Okinawans conscripted into the Japanese Army. According to local authorities, at least 149,425 Okinawan people were killed, died by coerced suicide or went missing, roughly half of the estimated pre-war population of about 300,000.

It was hell. Okinawa weighed heavily on Truman and the US military command which is why they proceeded with the bomb.

sfw
sfw
January 18, 2023 6:46 pm

flyingduk – “Public drunken-ness, *per se* should not and can not be a crime because there is NO VICTIM”

Sorry mate, you’re on the wrong track there. There usually are plenty of victims. Man in front of pub, swearing at everyone, drunk at the bus stop vomiting and swearing at everyone, drunks abusing everyone, drunks in the street just mouthing off and looking for fights, drunks chasing their exes around and wanting to ‘get back together’, I could go on. Drunks are a terrible blight on everyone around them.

You could arrest them for a particular offence, say ‘offensive behaviour’ and maybe breaching some sort of order but if those things hit the courts, it would be a toss up as to whether you would be successful. Throw on top the time to charge, assemble a brief (witness statements etc) and court time, even if the charge was successful the penalty would be a slap on the wrist.

The great thing about drunk in a public place is that it allows police to take quick efficient action with minimal paperwork, The drunk is taken to the cells, a bit of form filling and then he (sometimes she) is monitored while sleeping it off. In the morning they walk away with a hangover and a $400 fine. It does tend to make them think about getting shitfaced in public.

The victims are those who are going about their business or enjoying a meal or excursion. They have a right to be free of drunken idiots hassling them or worse.

If Andrews gets rid of this I wouldn’t go into any nightclub area at night, not to mention the many drunks during the day or annoy (or worse) people just wanting to go about their business.

Vicki
Vicki
January 18, 2023 6:50 pm

Been the agenda since the mid 1970’s. Voice – Treaty, involving massive sums payable in “compensation” and ‘reparations”- Sovereign Aboriginal State, encompassing all the area currently under “land rights” claims.

I reckon that’s about right. This is the substance of a Quadrant article (can’t recall the details) published a few months ago. Few seem to realise that is where it will end.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2023 6:50 pm

I think the great replacement might be commencing at Watches of Switzerland.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 6:50 pm

Always fun to see what the hand does, not what the mouth says.

Matt Kean signs for Santos to enter private land (Ncl local news, 17 Jan)

Mining giant Santos has been given authority to survey private land in its exploration for routes from the Narrabri gas project, as part of the Hunter Pipeline. The revelation today received backlash from land owners, who have concerns about the environmental impacts.

Fortunately for him the Libs are going to be totaled in the upcoming election. But it’s clear he realizes the state is between a rock and a hard place on electricity generation. Otherwise he wouldn’t risk such a headline just before an election.

Bye Libs, you dispensed with your base so your base has dispensed with you. You are the No-Friends Party.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 18, 2023 6:51 pm

Flyingduk
thanks for link to the nyet-ocarditis.

My only chance now is to hope for inconsistent product quality and that my batch was a fizzer and did nothing.
Makes you wonder how many in the security agencies skipped the jab due to insider knowledge.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2023 6:53 pm

They were very polite when I chucked my lowly Seiko 5 in that tray thing. More so than when I was tyre kicking at the Ducati dealer with a Peter Stevens carry bag in Melbournibad.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 6:58 pm

I’m shocked, shocked!

FBI Decided Not To Monitor Biden Document Search (18 Jan)

After President Biden’s lawyers found classified documents at an office he used at a DC think tank, his Justice Department considered, and then declined, a plan to have FBI agents monitor a search for classified documents at his residences, in order to ‘avoid complicating later stages of the investigation,’ and because Biden’s attorneys ‘had quickly turned over a first batch and were cooperating,’ the Wall Street Journal reports, citing people familiar with the matter.

No SWAT teams, no ruffling though Jill’s panty drawer. Although given Jill’s taste in fashion I can understand the latter.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 18, 2023 7:02 pm

Dot at 16:47 quoted:

The judge was scathing in his criticism of the investigators

Oh that must really sting. Oh those judges’ words. Ouch, so scathing in that criticism. With words.
And the investigators…just go straight back to work, no skin off their nose.
The facade of justice.

That’s in a case where the injustice comes to light mainly because the spies ultimately had to show up in court – because as cops their whole job was to eventually present a court case. The government agencies whose main goal is to stay out of the limelight have far greater latitude in what they can do and get away with it. If uniformed cops can fabricate evidence against Mr Spedding and basically get away with it, can you imagine what the spooks are willing to do?

Speedbox
January 18, 2023 7:03 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
January 18, 2023 at 6:18 pm

I live about 12kms to the west of Brisbane in what was a Liberal held electorate but it was lost to the Greens in 2022. It had been a Liberal seat almost exclusively since 1949 which probably says a lot about the erosion of the Liberal vote + other changes in the electorate.

In any case, rental scooters can’t get to this area as they are geo-blocked being too far from the CBD but on the bikeway that runs for many kilometres adjacent to the Centenary motorway, there are plenty of privately owned e-scooters. In contrast to your comments, there are very few e-bikes and virtually nobody ‘elderly’. I reckon I would easily be the oldest bloke on an e-scooter. 🙂 The other scooter riders all seem to be young men and women around 25-40 years plus plenty riding traditional peddle power bikes.

The closer to the city, the more e-scooters and upon reaching the Coronation bikeway adjacent to the Brisbane River, they are very common. Then you get to the CBD which has the public rental versions as well……

For the time being Bruce, count your lucky stars that you are not a pedestrian trying to share a footpath with an ever increasing number of e-scooters.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 7:05 pm

This afternoon I left work and walked up to Town Hall to get some groceries from the Woolworths there. I needed to go for a walk so it gave me an excuse to leave work. Today was very hot here in Sydney but there’s a storm brewing, it’s one of those typical Sydney summer days, hot and humid and very taxing. Luckily I was wearing a Liberty cotton dress which kept me cool otherwise it’s insufferable.

Anyway, I bought my groceries and I walked out of the Woolworths’ entrance which is on the corner of George and Park Streets. I was immediately taken aback, there was a child, that looked like a street urchin, filthy, about five or six, walking on all fours, and people were trying to avoid walking on the child. You could see the consternation on people’s faces as they veered to avoid the walking on the child. I can’t describe how filthy the child was, the ground itself is filthy, it’s a filthy part of Sydney’s CBD. The child looked like one of those street urchins that Dickens described so well in his books. Where was the mother? Well, she was sitting on a cardboard box, clearly off her face, begging. I felt for the child, it was quite confronting. And then I remembered how recently someone had told me that there was a woman at Town Hall begging with a child.

Am I allowed to ask where the Department of Family and Community Services is? What do these government departments do? I don’t think a child should be allowed to crawl all over a filthy footpath whilst the mother begs. The child should be removed and fostered or even better, adopted. Or am I being too old fashioned? Australia 2022, not the country it was.

Vicki
Vicki
January 18, 2023 7:06 pm

Going to walk up to Vodafone and get a tourist trap sim as well when the sun comes up. It’s a nice walk across the Tiber with Vatican views and Roman ruins opposite the Vodafone store
I’ll cope.

Ah Rosie, your wonderful description brings back memory of a solo trip I made to Italy quite a few years ago when husband was off on a motorbike safari through NSW. I was heaven to be able to wander through ancient sites – particularly ones important to me ( like the Are Pacis of Augustus) which bore husband to tears. Also saw the completed excavation of Pompey’s Theatre, the edges of which had just been discovered below a restaurant we visited decades before. Got the train down to Pompeii and Herculaneum as well – pure joy.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 7:08 pm

Worth repeating …

“Everyone knows that, of course, but do they know that the High Court found the prosecution didn’t challenge evidence that simply left no time for Pell to do the crimes alleged?

“I’ve never seen how Milligan explains the timing argument.

“Does she think the High Court misunderstood the evidence? Or that the law that requires the DPP to challenge contrary witnesses is a bad law? Or does she just not want to discuss this issue,” he wrote.

All the talk of the appeal being upheld on a “technicality”.
The technicality being that there was no time available to commit the crimes as described.
None.
Their ‘onners used the quaint expression that “it wasn’t open to a jury to reach a guilty verdict”.
Or, put another way, it didn’t happen.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 18, 2023 7:13 pm

It is not democratic for the rest of us to have a separate parliament – an advisory one for now – for people of just one race

The Albanese government’s planned justification for the Voice is fake and shows that the Left has stopped believing in democracy.

Andrew Bolt
HERALDSUN.COM.AU

I feared the federal Liberals were walking into a trap – until Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney did something silly late on Sunday.

I’ve been shocked that the Liberals under Peter Dutton wouldn’t say straight out they’re against the Albanese government’s planned Voice – a kind of advisory parliament just for Aborigines, written forever into our Constitution.

Dutton should be saying: Are you crazy? This is racism. This is apartheid. Absolutely no.

Instead, he’s demanded the government show us the details before he makes up his mind – and that, I thought, was Labor’s trap.

The government could suddenly say, well, here are those details you wanted, and what would the Liberals do then? Quibble over mere details? Or say, actually, we’re against this because of a fundamental principle we’ve only just remembered – um, it’s racist.

But maybe I made a mistake: underestimating the stupidity of people pushing this Voice.

On Sunday, stung by Dutton, Burney fired off a string of tweets which let slip that Labor’s Voice could be the most undemocratic organisation ever to “represent” Aborigines.

Burney tweeted this Voice would be “chosen by First Nations people based on the wishes of local communities”.

Wait. “Chosen”? Why didn’t she say “elected”?

Then the penny dropped: Burney is following the blueprint in the final report to government of the Indigenous Voice Co-design Process, co-chaired by professors Marcia Langton and Tom Calma.

This report recommends the Voice comprise 24 Aborigines, with each region deciding “how best to draw its voice members (i.e. election, nomination/expressions of interest/selection, drawing on structures based in traditional law and custom, or a combination)”.

Pardon? It’s saying some people on the Voice may be elected. But maybe they’ll just nominate themselves, or be selected (by whom?) according to “traditional law”.

That means the big men and powerful families who dominate some tribes could stop any election that might let a rival get themselves onto the Voice to disturb their power. This is astonishing. Australia’s core value is democracy, the guarantor of our freedoms. We also preach democracy to the world. To China. To the Pacific.

But now the Albanese government is quietly deciding that, actually, some Aborigines can’t handle this democracy. They’re too different. Let the big men keep ruling.

That’s tragic. When did the Left stop believing in democracy?

But Burney tweeted something else – this Voice “will be representative of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities”. That’s not quite true, either.

We have more than 250 Aboriginal tribes, but Labor’s Co-design report recommends the Voice have just 24 members.

So already smaller tribes look like getting pushed aside by more powerful ones with a different language and agenda.

But it gets even less democratic. This Voice, under the Co-design plan, will have an outrageous gerrymander.

It will have two members from each state and territory, two more from the Torres Strait, plus one more for Torres Strait Islanders on the mainland and five for Aborigines in remote areas of some states and the Northern Territory.

That means Aborigines in the ACT will have one representative on the Voice for every 4720 people, and Torres Strait Islanders one for every 11,000. NT Aborigines will have one representative for every 25,500.

In contrast, Aborigines in the states with the biggest Aboriginal population will have, proportionately, much less representation.

Queensland Aborigines will have one representative for every 91,100 people, and NSW Aborigines one for every 113,200. So Canberra Aborigines will have more than 20 times more say on the Voice than NSW ones.

In what meaningful way is this Voice “representative”? This is not democratic. Nor is it democratic for the rest of us to have a separate parliament – an advisory one for now – for people of just one race.

Even the justification for this farce is fake. Linda Burney in her tweets claimed we needed this Voice to give Aborigines “a say in decisions affecting them”.

That’s nonsense. Aborigines are already consulted. Like everyone else, they vote for our parliaments. In fact, nearly 5 per cent of our federal politicians say they’re Aboriginal, when Aborigines make up less than 4 per cent of our population.

On top of that we have more than 30 Aboriginal land councils, more than 2700 Aboriginal corporations, a Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council and a Council of Peaks representing about 70 big Aboriginal groups.

But worse than the lies to sell the Voice is that it’s undemocratic – not just for Aborigines but every other Australian. What a disgrace.

Herald-Sun

Tom
Tom
January 18, 2023 7:14 pm

FMD. Blot is getting hysterical about a routine Qantas 737 engine shutdown on a flight from Auckland to Sydney.

Blot’s ignorance is more dangerous than the stuff he doesn’t understand about the real world.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 7:14 pm

“Louise Milligan ‘ignores key facts on George Pell’”

Of course she does. The key facts don’t suit her narrative, they never have. Nilligan pens fiction. Her fiction resulted in an innocent man being framed and jailed for a crime he could not possibly have committed.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again, people such as Nilligan, their ABC, Marr, Nine Newspapers and all the rest of the scum on the left insist Pell was guilty because they want Pell to be guilty. That ain’t justice.

Speedbox
January 18, 2023 7:16 pm

Meanwhile….

Lithium could be making its way back to the mines they were pulled from in the form of lithium-ion batteries with a company called Mevco making a commitment to order 8,500 all-electric Hilux and Landcruiser models over the next five years.

In a new partnership with Aussie company Sea Electric, specialist all-electric Hilux and Landcruiser models will made available for the mining industry. So far, over half of the 2023 allocation of the battery-electric vehicles have been pre-sold, with demonstration models available in Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth.

Mevco CEO Matt Cahir says the deal, which has a total value of close to A$1bn, is a pivotal step for the mining industry. “This enables EV technology for heavy and light commercial trucks to be commercialized on a scale that makes sense for the bespoke needs of the mining sector.”

At the heart of the arrangement is SEA Electric’s proprietary SEA-Drive power-system, which provides the all-electric range with zero local emissions of carbon dioxide, methane, or nitrous oxide.

Thanks to its medium voltage architecture and electronic thermal management, SEA Electric says its solution is light, cost?effective, and efficient, with the system tested in the field across eight countries with more than 2.5mn kilometres of real-world use registered to date.

The vehicles can also be specified with two SEA-Drive options, namely an 88kWh battery which provides 380km of range, or a 60kWh battery delivering up to 260km of use.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 18, 2023 7:19 pm

Re the possible deaths in a conventional war if the A-Bombs were not used:

Chapter 16 – What Allied casualties would have been experienced if the A-bombs had not been used?

An analysis of how many deaths would have been incurred, looking at a two-stage invasion of Japan. Combat deaths would have seen approximately 767,000 lives lost, with four times that wounded: 3,070,400. Added to that would have been the execution of 300,000 Prisoners Of War. Given loss of life in Japanese held territories in addition, the figure of around 4,567,000 dead is obtained.

Ch 17 – What casualties would Japan have likely experienced if the A-bombs had not been used?

An analysis of the loss rates of the Army and Navy; militias and “armed civilians”, and of the effects of Operation Starvation upon the population of the Home Islands. Taking a figure of 72,147,000 for the overall population, the study concludes that approximately 27,879,000 Japanese would have lost their lives by the end of a 14-month long conventional invasion, which would have ended in December 1946. Caveats around this figure are explained.

From my book Atomic Salvation

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 7:20 pm

I’m not a Christian, I’m not personally affected by child sexual assault

I don’t know Homer Simpson, I’ve never met Homer Simpson but I can’t…..sob.

Don’t worry, your tears say more than real evidence ever could.

Bruce in WA
January 18, 2023 7:21 pm

Had an interesting visit to a local gun store today. Hadn’t been inside one for months.

Anyhow, was having a look at some air rifles with my brother. Saw an interesting one and the assistant took it down for us. It was a CO2 rifle, semi-automatic… wait, what? Semi-auto? Yep. You can’t own a semi-auto .22LR, but a S/A air rifle is OK? Yep. And what’s that on the barrel? A sound moderator. Wait, what? You can’t own a silencer in WA, but it’s OK on that air rifle? Yep.

“Let’s have a feel”, said my bro, holding out his hands.

“Sorry”, says the assistant, pulling the airgun away. “New rule from the police just in last week. You can’t handle any firearm anymore unless you have a licence for it.”

“What? So I have to buy the firearm without even seeing if it fits me?”

“Yep.”

This place is rooted.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2023 7:26 pm

Myocarditis is far more likely to be a consequence of covid than a vaccine, especially if you didn’t get managed based vaxx.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2023 7:27 pm

Or, put another way, the accuser lied.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 18, 2023 7:32 pm

The Allied casualties from any invasion of mainland Japan would have been catastrophic. The Americans had a taste of this when they launched a ground assault on Okinawa.

My Father in Law was a young schoolboy during the war. As a barely teenage boy he was trained to fight with a bamboo spear in the event of an invasion of the home islands, it was that crazy.

If the Allied forces had attempted a ground invasion the carnage would have been terrible, hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians would have died (that is not hyperbole) and tens of thousands of allied soldiers would have joined them.

I still firmly believe that if the bomb hadn’t ended the war then i doubt my wife would have been born.

Zipster
January 18, 2023 7:32 pm

It was hell. Okinawa weighed heavily on Truman and the US military command which is why they proceeded with the bomb.

keep this in mind as uke and rus casualties accelerate

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 7:32 pm

Lithium could be making its way back to the mines they were pulled from in the form of lithium-ion batteries with a company called Mevco making a commitment to order 8,500 all-electric Hilux and Landcruiser models over the next five years.

For electricity generation most remote minesites use diesel gensets…

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 7:35 pm

“Carpe Jugulumsays:
January 18, 2023 at 7:32 pm”

Yep.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 18, 2023 7:38 pm

Snap, BoN. So instead of just shipping in the diesel for the vehicles you ship it in for the now larger gensets. The pollution generated is still local.
This is a stupid, stupid country.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 18, 2023 7:39 pm

Seems like the American Heart Association will do anything for money.
Whadaya reckon, Duk?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 18, 2023 7:43 pm

Cassie

The nicknames refer to the ferocity of the fighting, the intensity of Japanese kamikaze attacks and the sheer numbers of Allied ships and armored vehicles that assaulted the island. The battle was the bloodiest in the Pacific, with around 50,000 Allied and 84,166–117,000 Japanese deaths, including Okinawans conscripted into the Japanese Army.

The US Navy lost 36 major ships sunk, and hundreds damaged.

The “damaged” included the fast carrier Franklin, hit by kamikaze, around 800 of her crew killed, hundreds more injured, and the fast carrier Bunker Hill, another kamikaze victim, with around 400 of her crew killed, and hundreds more injured.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 7:45 pm

H B Bearsays:

January 18, 2023 at 6:42 pm

I do like it when Poms arrive here with a Superiority Complex.
The inevitable crash and ensuing bitter whining is music to the ears.

You would love Hillarys and Perf Glory games.

I very much doubt that.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 18, 2023 7:47 pm

in which Milligan wrote about “The child abuse cases in which ­George Pell was never tried”.

They put forward the strongest cases they had – why would they proceed with weaker cases and leave out stronger ones?

Their best most cases were dismissed as a nonsense in a fashion that shows the extreme contempt for the ‘conviction’ and the people involved by unanimously overturning the verdict.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 7:55 pm

Tomsays:

January 18, 2023 at 7:14 pm

FMD. Blot is getting hysterical about a routine Qantas 737 engine shutdown on a flight from Auckland to Sydney.

Blot’s ignorance is more dangerous than the stuff he doesn’t understand about the real world.

And Nein reports that Qantas share price dropped upon early reports of the engine failure, then recovered when the plane landed.
FMD.
So the desk jockeys trading shares are clueless too.

132andBush
132andBush
January 18, 2023 7:59 pm

Steve Crowder has gone nuclear on “BigCon”

Accusing many conservative content creators of licking big tech boots.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 18, 2023 8:05 pm

But it gets even less democratic. This Voice, under the Co-design plan, will have an outrageous gerrymander.

I called it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 8:06 pm

I take it back about the Qantas share price.
No unusual movements in the price, really.
Just Channel Nein making shit up.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 18, 2023 8:09 pm
Speedbox
January 18, 2023 8:10 pm

Carpe Jugulum says:
January 18, 2023 at 7:32 pm

No doubt, although I suspect your estimates might be a bit conservative – but thank goodness we never got to find out.

Separately, Mrs Speedbox received training as a school girl on throwing grenades from when she was about 9 years old. The mock grenades were made of wood and the whole class would be marched out to a nearby park to train in preparation for any American invasion.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
January 18, 2023 8:13 pm

Attended the AO this afternoon (miserable weather), they are handing out free Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander flags (take your pick) at the public information booths and via roaming helpers. The push is on…

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 8:16 pm

Clavell believed that if atomic bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki he would not have survived the war.
Huh?

Something that many people forget when huffing and puffing about the bombs.
Says the Blogs leading Huffer & Puffer.

Here’s a few facts, Huffer & Puffer:
The Japanese Government had been trying to surrender since late 1944.
The sticking point?
The United States Policy of Unconditional Surrender.
Their surrender was accepted a few days after the Bombings, but guess what?
There was no connection between the bombings and the surrender offer by the Japs.
“Why?” squeaks you.
Because the Japs didn’t Surrender Unconditionally, they surrendered on the basis that their system of Parliamentary Democracy would continue, the Emperor would continue as Head Of State, and members of the Imperial Family would not face prosecution for War Crimes.

In other words, the Japanese Terms of Surrender were unchanged since 1944, the U.S. didn’t accept those Terms until Mid August 1945.

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2023 8:19 pm

Attended the AO this afternoon (miserable weather), they are handing out free Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander flags (take your pick) at the public information booths and via roaming helpers. The push is on…

Because the polling isn’t looking good?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 8:20 pm

Something that many people forget when huffing and puffing about the bombs.
Says the Blogs leading Huffer & Puffer.

More popcorn, anyone?

calli
calli
January 18, 2023 8:20 pm

the Blogs leading Huffer & Puffer.

Freudian projection.

Any links to my support of Pfizer yet?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 8:23 pm

You don’t support Pfizer?
That’s a turn up for the books.

What next, is Rosie an AntiVaxxer too?

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 8:24 pm

“The Japanese Government had been trying to surrender since late 1944.

Please provide a source for this statement.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2023 8:27 pm

Attended the AO this afternoon (miserable weather), they are handing out free Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander flags (take your pick) at the public information booths and via roaming helpers. The push is on…

Because the polling isn’t looking good?

Yes and yes I suspect. Bit of a problem when you start at 32%.

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2023 8:29 pm

Blot is getting hysterical about a routine Qantas 737 engine shutdown on a flight from Auckland to Sydney.

Further to recent discussion of Sky after dark, it makes me wonder if the program hosts aren’t being asked to “sex up” their presentation to cover up for the lack of real journalistic investigation.

A mirror image of msm tv news, as it were.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:30 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 18, 2023 8:30 pm

I had a student in her early 60’s when I was in Japan who came in with glee saying she had just graduated elementary school.

This elicited a few quizzical looks.

She explained that literally the day before her class was to graduate the school was destroyed in an American air-raid and that amidst the turmoil of the time no one gave a thought to rescheduling one.

So, as the 50th anniversary approached one of the students contacted the school about finally holding a ceremony for them. They agreed.

They even managed to find one of the teachers.

This student also told us how much the kids liked the American soldiers because they always have them chocolates and candy.

There was also a lack of writing materials so used maps were provided to students by the Americans – the students could write on the blank side with pencils and thus re-use them also. I don’t know if she ever twigged as to what the American used those maps for.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:31 pm
bons
bons
January 18, 2023 8:31 pm

A MAYDAY?
A PAN call surely.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 8:32 pm

Please provide a source for this statement.

That’s the first I’d heard of that one, Cassie.

Helen
Helen
January 18, 2023 8:33 pm

Dear Cats,
Can any of you remember a data based assessment of the percentage of people who died above the normal rates of cancer after Chernobyl?

I was sure it was at or below and that mainly kiddies through drinking cows milk and more died from displacement and the stress of having an effective “C”branded on their head.

I did bookmark it but have lost them on the old laptop.

A bit of a private stoush. Thanking you.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:34 pm
Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 8:34 pm

Please provide a source for this statement.

Hi Cassie.
Yeah, it’s true.
Why Tokyo was fire bombed in 1945, or the A Bombs dropped later on, I have no idea.
But, the Surrender was on the Terms that the Japanese had been requesting for a long time and it was accepted.
Why it couldn’t have been accepted earlier, no one knows for sure, since the decision makers are all dead.
The Japs held out for what they wanted, which wasn’t much, and they got it.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 8:39 pm

“Further to recent discussion of Sky after dark, it makes me wonder if the program hosts aren’t being asked to “sex up” their presentation to cover up for the lack of real journalistic investigation.

A mirror image of msm tv news, as it were.”

No, that’s just Blot. Kenny at 8.00 p.m. presents a unsexed programme. His interview last night with Sleazy was good.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 8:41 pm

“Yeah, it’s true.
Why Tokyo was fire bombed in 1945, or the A Bombs dropped later on, I have no idea.
But, the Surrender was on the Terms that the Japanese had been requesting for a long time and it was accepted.”

So no source, just your usual florid hyperbole. However it’s nice to see you admit that “you have no idea”.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 18, 2023 8:42 pm

The Japanese Government had been trying to surrender since late 1944.

It was the unprecedented intervention of the Emperor that led to the final Japanese surrender.

The Americans had offered to accept an unconditional surrender which the Japanese refused as unacceptable, countering with modified terms that the Americans could not accept.

Not quite the same as taking the initiative and making overtures of peace.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2023 8:42 pm
Roger
Roger
January 18, 2023 8:43 pm

No, that’s just Blot. Kenny at 8.00 p.m. presents a unsexed programme. His interview last night with Sleazy was good.

I’ll take your word for it, Cassie.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 18, 2023 8:44 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 18, 2023 at 8:34 pm
Please provide a source for this statement.

Hi Cassie.
Yeah, it’s true.

Richard Cranium

You stating that “Yeah, it’s true” does not constitute a source. Perhaps some Japanese archival records? Diplomatic records of the nations that operated as intermediaries? US state department records?

No rush, you should be able to provide a reference or link quickly.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 8:45 pm

But, the Surrender was on the Terms that the Japanese had been requesting for a long time and it was accepted.

Elements of the Japanese High Command had been demanding that there would be no occupation of Japan, the Japanese Armed forces would supervise their own disarmament, and that “war criminals” would be tried in Japanese Courts. The Americans may have allowed Hirohito to stay on the throne, but they specified that he would be subordinate to the Commander of the Occupation Forces.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 8:46 pm

They put forward the strongest cases they had – why would they proceed with weaker cases and leave out stronger ones?

Their best most cases were dismissed as a nonsense in a fashion that shows the extreme contempt for the ‘conviction’ and the people involved by unanimously overturning the verdict.

The other rag-tag bunch of hangers-on were just there for colour and movement.
They were never going to expose that flimsy shit to cross-examination in court.
But they did their job.
Enabled Patton to be able to repeat “multiple offences, multiple victims” on high rotation, and the media to create a “where there’s smoke there’s fire” narrative.

cohenite
January 18, 2023 8:47 pm

The yanks dropped the atomic bomb on the japs to stop Wolverine’s mate from committing hari-kari:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUXZpPNZQrg

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 8:49 pm

Mrs Speedbox received training as a school girl on throwing grenades from when she was about 9 years old. The mock grenades were made of wood and the whole class would be marched out to a nearby park to train in preparation for any American invasion.

Fits with this essay from a Finn.

What makes Russia what it is? (17 Jan)

Follow the link to the full Ricochet article, which is very long (from April). But it’s an interesting insight into how Finns think of Russia. And also in my view an explanation of this article today:

Serbia asks Russia to end recruitment of its people for Ukraine war (17 Jan)

BELGRADE, Jan 17 (Reuters) – Russia should halt its efforts to recruit Serbs to fight alongside its Wagner paramilitary group in Ukraine, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said.

Vucic criticised Russia’s websites and social media groups for publishing advertisements in the Serbian language in which the Wagner group calls volunteers to join its ranks.

The assumption from Russia is that Serbs are Slavs therefore must support Russia. But Ukrainians are also Slavs. The fact that Russia sees herself as the defender of the Slavs doesn’t mean that other Slavs accept that too. But that’s the culture, which is built upon very deep history.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2023 8:50 pm

bonssays:

January 18, 2023 at 8:31 pm

A MAYDAY?
A PAN call surely

Well, they set a precedent recently calling a Mayday for fuel, jumping the queue and landing with 40 minutes worth in the tanks.

shatterzzz
January 18, 2023 8:53 pm

If your into black comedy and spy series .. Netflix’s THE RECRUIT is quite entertaining and left open ended for a follow-up season ……

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16030542/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 8:53 pm

Have the “Ukies” gotten onto the wonderful Finnish song, Nyet, Molotov!?

P
P
January 18, 2023 8:54 pm

My Father in Law was a young schoolboy during the war. As a barely teenage boy he was trained to fight with a bamboo spear in the event of an invasion of the home islands, it was that crazy.

If the Allied forces had attempted a ground invasion the carnage would have been terrible, hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians would have died (that is not hyperbole) and tens of thousands of allied soldiers would have joined them.

I still firmly believe that if the bomb hadn’t ended the war then i doubt my wife would have been born.

+ 100

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 8:55 pm

LOL and they have, Nyet, Vladimir!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 8:57 pm

It was the unprecedented intervention of the Emperor that led to the final Japanese surrender.

Yeah, nah.

The Japs weren’t surrendering unconditionally and they didn’t.
Proof:
read upthread reminisces of people who were children at the time who were training to resist an invasion.

So, no dropping Atomic Bombs didn’t shorten the War, the United States finally accepting the Japanese Terms of Surrender is what ended it.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 18, 2023 9:04 pm

the Surrender was on the Terms that the Japanese had been requesting for a long time and it was accepted.

Are you [effing] shitting me, what Japan got was unconditional surrender. The divinity of the Emperor had to be denied, which was a major cultural blow. The IJA was demonised and rightly so, with the exception of Korean prison guards who got a free pass on their brutality.

The IJN and IJAF were unfairly treated but are still held in high esteem at home.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 18, 2023 9:04 pm

I’m in moderation.

Oh FFS

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2023 9:06 pm

Dot – currently the Finns are getting nyets from Turkey more than Russia.

Turkey Demands Sweden and Finland Hand Over 130 Alleged Terrorists in Return for NATO Membership (17 Jan)

If I was NATO I’d tell Caliph Erdogan to get lost, then replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden, who have a long history of serious self defense policy and are actually polite and helpful.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 9:06 pm

“I’m in moderation.”

could be language

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Well, they set a precedent recently calling a Mayday for fuel, jumping the queue and landing with 40 minutes worth in the tanks.
No that isn’t what happened. The rules changed a few years ago. When you get down to 30 minutes gas you are now REQUIRED to declare an emergency due low fuel. The Perth controller gave them a clearance which would have landed them with about 20 minutes fuel. They were warning the controller that with that clearance they WOULD be declaring a low fuel emergency at 30 minutes whereupon the controller would be required to give them priority. It was up to the controller to give them an immediate clearance when they told him of the looming problem or if it was more convenient in another 5 minutes or so. The controller decided to deal with them first and sort out the others later.
If the controller had delayed them much more he’d have had a real problem which may have cascaded as others ran low on fuel. The flight crew didn’t have the option of saying nothing and accepting the original clearance as they’d have had a “please explain” from CASA for not declaring the low fuel emergency. All this stuff is a matter of record as to how much fuel is in the tanks when they refuel the aircraft.
As for the engine failure mayday, did they get a fire warning light? Maybe a false alarm but certainly warrants a mayday.

Zipster
January 18, 2023 9:15 pm
Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 9:16 pm

I’m in moderation.

Oh FFS
Good.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 9:16 pm

So, no dropping Atomic Bombs didn’t shorten the War, the United States finally accepting the Japanese Terms of Surrender is what ended it.

This is literally insane.

The IJN nearly had to have a civil war with the IJA who refused to surrender after the second bomb and wanted to depose of the Emperor.

The Emperor was kept as a convenience to the conquering Americans, not because he asked for a constitutional monarchy as a term of a conditional surrender. MacArthur practically governed Japan as a King and wrote their constitution himself.

Normal relations were not reestablished until 1952 under the Treaty of San Francisco.

You insufferable idiot, Septimus.

Dot
Dot
January 18, 2023 9:23 pm

“A conditional surrender where I step down as the sovereign with autocratic power in command of a massive military empire, I let you rule me as a foreign conqueror and I give up all political power, true or nominal command of the military and swear never to wage war or have a military beyond a self defence force.”

Makes perfect sense if you are Grigory/Ed Case/Septimus.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 9:27 pm

The IJN nearly had to have a civil war with the IJA who refused to surrender after the second bomb and wanted to depose of the Emperor.

I don’t have any problems with you getting your “facts”from Wikipedia, but why not some acknowledgment?

The Emperor was kept as a convenience to the conquering Americans, not because he asked for a constitutional monarchy as a term of a conditional surrender.

Weasel words.
The Japs surrendered on their Terms, which were:
#1. Retention of the Parliamentary Status Quo
#2. Immunity from Prosecution for all members of the Imperial Family

What was the result of the Surrender?
#1 Parliamentary Democracy was retained
#2 No member of the Imperial Family was ever prosecuted

Game, Set and Match, I believe?
MacArthur practically governed Japan as a King and wrote their constitution himself.
Mac Arthur couldn’t write a note to Santa.
The Japanese rulers got what they wanted, which wasn’t much.

Zipster
January 18, 2023 9:29 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 9:32 pm

The IJA was demonised and rightly so, with the exception of Korean prison guards who got a free pass on their brutality.

Cite you the example of the officer of the Netherlands Marines, who had been a Prisoner of war on the Burma Railway. He described the Korean guards as being worse then the Japanese.

When told that, as an officer, he was expected to volunteer to serve in Korea, to defend South Korea from a Communist invasion, he resigned his commission, and emigrated to Australia….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2023 9:38 pm

MacArthur practically governed Japan as a King and wrote their constitution himself.
Mac Arthur couldn’t write a note to Santa.

So why did the Japanese designate their constitution as “the MacArthur Constitution?”

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 18, 2023 9:42 pm

Richard Cranium seems to have been snorting both gypsum and some muton fat this evening. Not a safe combination.

P
P
January 18, 2023 9:44 pm

I’ve just realised that links to Rumble cannot be displayed here.

132andBush
132andBush
January 18, 2023 9:47 pm

You insufferable idiot, Septimus.

I still think it’s a chatbot.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2023 9:49 pm

Moving post, Tekweni.
The more specialists you see, the more views you’ll receive.
I’m in my 40’s (not sure what your vintage is) so my risk profile is different.
I decided last year that regardless of the risks associated with my heart issues, I was going to rip off weight & be more conscious of what I shove in my pie hole.

Be wary of someone saying you can’t exercise.
You have to remain active just don’t go crazy, the risks of not doing so outweighs the immediate risks.

& I’m totally accepting of I might keel over at the gym one day.
Attempt to get back to peak fitness (& keel over trying).
Or don’t do anything because of the risks (& definitely keel over before my time).
For me it was an easy decision.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Post the link as R umble [or some variation] and interested
readers will catch on.

P
P
January 18, 2023 9:55 pm

I’m in moderation.
Oh FFS

Good.

No, it is not good. For the first time in my life his post upthread has hit home to me.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2023 9:59 pm

They’ll be some wet punters at Elton John tonight.
Imagine paying 300 bucks for a nose bleed ticket & being under cover where those who paid 1000 bucks for an up close one would be getting soaked.

P
P
January 18, 2023 9:59 pm

Post the link as R umble [or some variation] and interested
readers will catch on.

Didn’t work. But thanks anyway.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2023 10:01 pm

What’s Avi doing at Davos?

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 10:02 pm

Whadda you reckon? I say no.

From The Oz…..

Liberal’s Senate push for Abbott to return

Former Victorian Liberal president and powerbroker Michael Kroger has called for the return of Tony Abbott to parliament through the new NSW senate vacancy.

Mr Kroger, a two-term Victorian Liberal president and conservative leader, said there could be no better candidate than the former prime minister to help the Coalition in opposition.

“Whilst this is solely a matter for the NSW division to determine who will be the replacement for the five-year term in the Senate, I believe, there can be no better candidate than former prime minister Tony Abbott,” Mr Kroger said on Wednesday.

“Tony Abbott is arguably the most successful opposition leader during my lifetime and his depth of experience would be a major benefit for the new opposition.”

The death of senator Jim Molan has created a five-year upper house vacancy for the Liberal Party in NSW which has to be filled by a Liberal who will be selected by the full 750-member state council.

Cassie of Sydney
January 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Tony Abbott had his chance and he squibbed it. Sorry to be harsh but in September 2013 he was elected PM in a landslide, a landslide this country is not likely to see again. And what did he do? Okay, he stopped the boats, and he got rid of the carbon and mining taxes but otherwise, he was a WIMP. He allowed his enemies to undermine and knife him, he turned the other cheek when he shouldn’t have. No to Tony Abbott.

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