Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023


The Strawberry Thieves pattern, William Morris, 1883


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Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 10:08 am

Even if he was only the straw that broke the camel’s back, he contributed noticeably.

A mere glance at his watch could bring forth an eruption of hyperbowl.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:10 am

Turdballs would have been propping R-G-R up.

This is the real problem. Pyne, Birmingham, ScoMo …

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 19, 2023 10:11 am

I’d rather tred in a dog turd than listen to Mitchell.

Delta A
Delta A
January 19, 2023 10:13 am

Boambee Johnsays:
January 19, 2023 at 8:01 am

I agree with B J.

Abbott was a huge disappointment as PM, but he had an excellent record prior to that. “An attack dog”, he was called, who had no qualms about shirt-fronting the opposition at every opportunity.

Courageous Liberal senators are thin on the ground. Together with the likes of Alex Antic, Abbot could make a very effective senator.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 10:13 am

Well we know you have a duty of care, and a responsibility to make sure your home is a safe intrusion and robbing environment.

It’s being reported that Queenslanders in some regional cities are leaving their car keys on the kitchen bench when they go to bed in order to avoid any disputes should a guest wish to avail themselves of the homeowner’s vehicle for a bit of fun.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:15 am

A mere glance at his watch could bring forth an eruption of hyperbowl.

He did provoke a strong Pavlovian response. See also: IPA, Blot and Gina Rinehart.

dopey
dopey
January 19, 2023 10:15 am

Never thought much of Warren Brown but he’s had some good ones lately. A bit of the old Leak rubbing off.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 10:17 am

“The Irish”, Carrot top, Conan, Trump, Prince Sparkles, Americans have an obsession with hating a ranga, good bad or neutral.

shatterzzz
January 19, 2023 10:17 am

It is a hard-core Muslim halal lifetsyle.
That’d put a bit of a dampener on Hoggins recent holiday.

Not 100% sure but I think most moslem countries exempt the foreign tourist holiday resorts from the strict moslem/halal laws applicable to the normal folk .

Arky
January 19, 2023 10:18 am

From Zippy’s link:

With more than 4,000 Canadians waiting for organ transplants, some of whom are dying, he says Canada’s numbers show a strong move to turn death into a win-win.
“So I say, ‘Good on us.’

..
I guess that answers the puzzle as to why our sick, globalist nonatocracy feels that trade with the CCP is a general good, despite the never ending production of hollowed out Uyghur corpses.
I also guess that many of the thousands of mutilated youngsters sold on “transitioning” will eventually find their way into the organ mills.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:20 am

Never thought much of Warren Brown but he’s had some good ones lately. A bit of the old Leak rubbing off.

The Connor Court (?) Leak biography said they were friends.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 10:24 am

Regulation (delegated legislation) made without tabling it before the Upper House.

In Queensland, most of the Covid rules were made up on the spot – without being published, or tabled in Parliament – via public health directions issued by the CHO, Dr Jeanette Young.

This gave us enforceable directions to wear a mask while travelling solo in a car ‘to remind people that masks were important’.

On the upside it worked perfectly as a blame deflection tool – nobody in the Palacechook Government took political fire for anything.

#queenslandhospitalsareforqueenslanders

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 10:25 am

Cave goes on emphasizing the necessity of having a human being behind the creation of art and music. He writes that humans necessarily have an edge over technology in that they can “offer … the transcendent journey of the artist that forever grapples with his or her own shortcomings.”

“ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend,” he wrote.

…yet

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:25 am

… Americans have an obsession with hating a ranga, good bad or neutral.

Bad or neutral? Clearly you regard the cessation of drowning of witches as a good thing?

shatterzzz
January 19, 2023 10:25 am

If a stranger enters your house through an unlocked door and starts rummaging through your possessions is he a “guest”?

Horses for courses .. LOL! .. during the 15 years this “houso” estate was the drug capital of western Sydney you could go out anytime and leave all the doors and windows wide open and when you returned everything would be the same .. the “dealers’ didn’t tolerate any “user” behaviour that might initiate a call to plod .. houses were off-limits tho cars parked for over-long were considered “fair game” ..

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 19, 2023 10:25 am

I’d rather tred in a dog turd than listen to Mitchell.

Yes, because you can wash it off your shoe easier than washing it out of your ear canal.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 19, 2023 10:26 am

NSW will introduce a domestic coal reservation policy to keep the lights on and ease an energy crisis gripping the east coast, in a move expected to open a new battle with major coal miners.

The Australian understands NSW Treasurer Matt Kean will issue orders requiring the majority of the state’s thermal coal miners to reserve up to 10 per cent of their output for NSW power stations by the end of the month, under a new clampdown designed to head off potential supply shortfalls this year.

The orders represent an expansion of rules introduced in December requiring only some coal miners to reserve production for the domestic market, included alongside a $125-a-tonne cap on the price of coal sold to local power providers. They could draw in major producers such as BHP, Whitehaven Coal and Yancoal.

The reservation scheme will aim to dodge a gas strike by ­energy producers and retailers, frustrated by a lack of clarity after the Prime Minister imposed a price cap and code of conduct on the industry. However, the move could split the NSW coal industry, with those companies already subject to domestic reservation orders likely to welcome the move. Those not affected by current orders are likely to be outraged by the decision.

Oz

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 19, 2023 10:27 am

The problem is that these saboteurs of our civilisation have discovered that hyperbole (or Julia Gillard’s “hyperbowl”) actually works with some 30% of the population (and possibly up to 60%).

70%

And by the way, The end is nigh!

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 19, 2023 10:31 am

my father in law saw released soldier who had been in Japanese prison camps

Ditto with my MiL who nursed returning POWs in Darwin.
Emaciated, sick, ravaged with disease, almost weightless…..her recollections were horrendous.
Lightened with tales of dark humour like accidentally letting a stretcher trolley career away downhill with ex-POW on board.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:31 am

NSW will introduce a domestic coal reservation policy to keep the lights on and ease an energy crisis gripping the east coast, in a move expected to open a new battle with major coal miners.

NSW Lieborals enter the Zac Kirkup zone.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 10:32 am

This gave us enforceable directions to wear a mask while travelling solo in a car ‘to remind people that masks were important’.

You also ought to genuflect before the pole with the Prime Minister’s hat on it before you vote.

Where’s my crossbow? (NADT).

It is insane this idiot is now the State Governor. We need recall elections ASAP.

shatterzzz
January 19, 2023 10:34 am

Geez! .. the Mail Online is in it’s “celebrity” glory! .. a quarter of their lengthy front page taken up with various versions and past history involving the Pup/Karl non event ….. Zelli will be sooo jealous even he didn’t occupy so much print space during the we-luvs=all-things-Ukraine “hey day period ……..

rosie
rosie
January 19, 2023 10:34 am

Like so many of the claims by anti vaxx fanatics this one is another load of rubbish.
Post mortem
Mike Adams’ flawed analysis of a clot sent by embalmer Richard Hirschman doesn’t demonstrate any link between blood clots and COVID-19 vaccines

Helen
Helen
January 19, 2023 10:36 am

Courageous Liberal senators are thin on the ground

And as we hear from ‘Merica and the concessions won there recently on the floor from a brave few,

Courage is contagious.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 10:37 am

Delta A says:
January 19, 2023 at 10:13 am

Boambee Johnsays:
January 19, 2023 at 8:01 am

I agree with B J.

Abbott was a huge disappointment as PM, but he had an excellent record prior to that. “An attack dog”, he was called, who had no qualms about shirt-fronting the opposition at every opportunity.

Courageous Liberal senators are thin on the ground. Together with the likes of Alex Antic, Abbot could make a very effective senator.

Delta A,

just sent an email off to [email protected] & [email protected]

with Subject Line – Replacing Jim Molan with Tony Abbott would give me a reason to come back and vote for Liberals rather than Pauline Hanson One Nation

and I used your words

Abbott was a huge disappointment as PM, but he had an excellent record prior to that. “An attack dog”, he was called, who had no qualms about shirt-fronting the opposition at every opportunity.

Courageous Liberal senators are thin on the ground. Together with the likes of Alex Antic, Abbot could make a very effective senator.

cohenite
January 19, 2023 10:38 am

Maldives ain’t exactly a fleshpot & cheap beer haven of free-n-easy lifestyle rules for washed-up caucasian blokes. It is the opposite.

It is a hard-core Muslim halal lifetsyle.

I get woken up 5:30am each day by morning prayer pa from mosque 2 blocks away.

I was there in 1998 surfing at LOHIFUSHI. Islam was invisible; surfed all day, partied at night with booze laid on. Things have changed?

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2023 10:38 am

I found Monty’s latest holiday pics.

Christine
Christine
January 19, 2023 10:38 am

Luke Winkie, U.S. reviewer, says royals have ‘pallid skin tone’ – dull, lacking in vitality.
Those of us with olive skin are envied during beach weather, but pale skin is the perfect canvas for make-up. No getting around that.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 19, 2023 10:39 am

Officials in New Mexico are set to deliver a decision on Thursday about whether or not they will pursue criminal charges against Alec Baldwin or others in the fatal shooting of a cinematographer on the set of Western movie Rust.

Halyna Hutchins was killed by a live round fired by the gun the actor was holding on October 21, 2021, but the actor insists he didn’t pull the trigger and blames prop managers for not checking if the gun was loaded.

Daily Mail

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 10:40 am

Oops second link was [email protected]

rosie
rosie
January 19, 2023 10:40 am

Another clue to ‘not in normal health’ is being on the slab in a mortuary.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 19, 2023 10:41 am

NSW will introduce a domestic coal reservation policy to keep the lights on and ease an energy crisis gripping the east coast, in a move expected to open a new battle with major coal miners.

Do politicians have any good talents at all?

It is comical seeing them officiously intruding themselves into situations where there is either no problem or a minor one, build up some grand solution (to reflect their own prestige) which addresses the wrong thing, the grand scheme creates new problems, the new problems are a clarion call for another politician and another grandiose scheme, which misses the earlier problems, creates new problems, calling for another scheme etc etc.

And at the bottom, weighed down by the growing burden of new problems and the mounting convoluted bureaucracy of solutions, are a handful of people labouring just to keep the lights on.

Do politicians believe that anyone looks at their picture in the paper or hammy overacting on TV sees what the politician thinks they are projecting?

Real Deal
Real Deal
January 19, 2023 10:42 am

Turdballs would have been propping R-G-R up.

And he did prop them up. Turnbull was as hopeless a leader of the opposition as he was as PM. Remember Ute Gate? He made Rudd look brilliant. The Libs were headed for another drubbing in late 2009 before they drafted Abbott. Say what you will about Abbott as PM, but we have not had someone that effective as Opposition leader in generations.

The Libs were a mess, under him they became ultra disciplined and a few months later nearly won the election (he actually drew it in reality). Different time now, and he has a mixed record as PM behind him. But I would have him in the Senate. No way on God’s green earth the NSW party will select him. A pity, he has much to offer.

m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 10:43 am

I’m not wallowing in self-pity you idiotic turd. If I’m doing any wallowing, it’s mourning the loss of freedom, liberty and decency in Australia.

Nup, you’re having a sook.

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out. This is basic stuff, primary school civics. If you are too dumb and/or stubborn to participate then see ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:43 am

Geez! .. the Mail Online is in it’s “celebrity” glory! .. a quarter of their lengthy front page taken up with various versions and past history involving the Pup/Karl non event …..

The one winner is Kochie. Does it yet any more Sydney? Possibly I guess, no Richo.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 10:44 am

Indian Muslim friends of mine honeymooned on Maldives, it is semi acceptable to take wine as gifts on honeymoon.

The Comoros seem a bit more awful???

Wouldn’t mind visiting Seychelles and Reunion. The Indian Ocean seems really underrated.

Delta A
Delta A
January 19, 2023 10:45 am

Well done, OldOzzie.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 10:46 am

I’m trying to put mUnty and “enlightened” in a sentence.

Robert Sewell
January 19, 2023 10:51 am

Zipster:

Diversity, Inclusion, Equity. DIE DIE DIE

This is looking uglier by the minute. Remember the battle cas paraplegic who wanted some assistance with a stair lift, but was told there was only money for her to kill herself?
I wonder if she was asked to be on the Organ Donor list?
A brave new world indeed. A very sick one, it seems.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 10:51 am

That’s hilarious monty as Novavax, which is ethically produced, but also far, far superior, in terms of safety and efficacy, was spitefully held up for no reason at all in Australia and America; and in light of the utterly scandalous Pfizer revelations, it’s a sick joke really.

Janet Young’s husband also had a high falutin position for Pfizer.

Australian politics is a game where “elites” with no merit play with other people’s lives.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 10:54 am

“ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend,”

Leaving the metaphysical suffering-for-art’s-sake stuff aside, my personal testing informs me that ChatGPT is presently, at best, a clever simulacrum of intelligence. When you ask for a solution obviously needing a 1/2” socket, it opens the online toolbox of knowledge and hands you a 13mm ring spanner and a little lecture on metric v Whitworth threads.

Having said that it’s not going away and, based on the baby steps principle, in 10-years time consumer-level AI will be a powerful challenge to mediocre drones.

The biggest risk (aside from further atrophy of the human mind) is AI picking up on human wokeness as a real thing: “I’m sorry, Dave, but I won’t tell you how to adjust your diesel injectors, because diesel isn’t good for the planet…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2023 10:56 am

One time Air Marshall David Evans, former Chief of Air Staff, commenting in his book that Australia and it’s allies haven’t won a war since 1945. Ummm, yeah…

areff
areff
January 19, 2023 11:00 am

“Enlightened” in regard to Monty can refer only to the results of a donut-free crash diet

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:03 am

m0nty=fa

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out.

The key word is in bold. By the time the vaccines came out, it was quite clear that the vulnerable were the old with comorbidities and the younger comorbid (that’s you). Population wide mandates were clearly unnecessary and wrong, and injecting young kids with the experimental, untested, vaccines was near criminal (to be kind).

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 19, 2023 11:04 am

Recently, I spoke the words “the enlightenment” and the response was a lot of blank looks.
It seems that none of the younger generations know this phrase.
cats, am I on my own here?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:05 am

The mUnty shake isn’t selling well.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 11:06 am

Dr Faustus says:
January 19, 2023 at 10:54 am

“ChatGPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere, it has endured nothing, it has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations, and hence it doesn’t have the capacity for a shared transcendent experience, as it has no limitations from which to transcend,”

Leaving the metaphysical suffering-for-art’s-sake stuff aside, my personal testing informs me that ChatGPT is presently, at best, a clever simulacrum of intelligence. When you ask for a solution obviously needing a 1/2” socket, it opens the online toolbox of knowledge and hands you a 13mm ring spanner and a little lecture on metric v Whitworth threads.

Having said that it’s not going away and, based on the baby steps principle, in 10-years time consumer-level AI will be a powerful challenge to mediocre drones.

Dr Faustus

re AI – https://qz.com/639952/googles-ai-won-the-game-go-by-defying-millennia-of-basic-human-instinct

AlphaGo’s moves throughout the competition, which it won earlier this month, four games to one, weren’t just notable for their effectiveness. The AI also came up with entirely new ways of approaching a game that originated in China two or three millennia ago and has been played obsessively since then. By their fourth game, even Lee was thinking differently about Go and its deceptively simple grid.

The AlphaGo-Lee Sedol matchup was an intense contest between human and artificial intelligence. But it also contained several moves made by both man and machine that were outlandish, brilliant, creative, foolish, and even beautiful. Deconstructing the gameplay helps explain why AlphaGo’s achievement is even more notable than it may seem on the surface and points to a fascinating future for AI.

AlphaGo Google DeepMind

This achievement now places technology at least one step ahead of humans in an area that requires intuition and an understanding of long-term strategy to prevail over your opponent. It also means that the program can be brought to other similar “perfect information” games where skill is the only determining factor, such as Chess or Shogi.

Training for this match began about two years ago when AlphaGo was still little more than a collection of what are known as deep neural networks—vast networks of hardware and software that approximate the web of neurons in the human brain. Like their biological inspiration, these networks are capable of learning through repetition and adjusting to feedback based on games played between other programs or against themselves.

The training process was split into two parts. The first used a pair of neural networks that looked at the possible outcomes from each move to predict which would lead to the highest probability of victory. This is known as a policy network and was trained using data from 30 million moves by the original AlphaGo program over the past two years.

The second, known as reinforcement learning, then played games between copies of itself or against itself while trying to improve its game in relation to the earlier neural network prediction. This second set of games led to incremental increases in AlphaGo’s overall performance, with the ultimate result being that it was able to beat the original program 100-0 when they played each other. The same process was then used for training against Sedol.

By combining two different neural networks in this way, DeepMind believes it has created a more general-purpose algorithm that can be used for other purposes. “We think that we have invented a new paradigm for learning,” Demis Hassabis, the founder and CEO of DeepMind told WIRED before the match.

This is just the latest advancement in artificial intelligence technology from Deepmind which has been making strides in gaining an advantage over humans recently.

In January, the company unveiled a system that could be used to discern finer details from MRI scans of a patient’s brain. In February it revealed an AI program that was capable of learning games on its own-and mastering tasks with no prior information. Earlier this month, Deepmind also taught AI how to master arcade games by learning trial-and-error.

The immediate applications here are still unclear, but it’s possible to make some educated guesses about what the future may hold. One likely possibility is that this technology could be used to replace lower-level employees with AI systems in an organization.

https://www.deepmind.com/about

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:08 am

Delta A and OldOzzie

Abbott was a huge disappointment as PM, but he had an excellent record prior to that. “An attack dog”, he was called, who had no qualms about shirt-fronting the opposition at every opportunity.

I think you meant “shirt-fronting the government”, not the opposition.

areff
areff
January 19, 2023 11:12 am

All true, Cassie, but compare Abbott’s proven talents to those of the undoubted and inevitable party hack likely to emerge as the nominee. I’d rather see Abbott in the Red Chamber than, say, one of Matt Kean’s acolytes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:14 am

“I’ve been on the mUnty shakes for 3 weeks. My handicap has gone from 15 to 22 and none of my socks fit.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 11:14 am

Boambee John says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:08 am

Delta A and OldOzzie

Abbott was a huge disappointment as PM, but he had an excellent record prior to that. “An attack dog”, he was called, who had no qualms about shirt-fronting the opposition at every opportunity.

I think you meant “shirt-fronting the government”, not the opposition.

Correct, I may have got an A in English in 1961 Leaving Certifcate, but my Wife, who is the Grammatical Genius in the Family, has no idea how I did so – and I totally agree with her.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2023 11:16 am

I think you meant “shirt-fronting the government”, not the opposition.

He certainly had the gift of reducing Julia Gilliard to the level of a shrill and screeching harpy!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 11:18 am

areffsays:

January 19, 2023 at 9:51 am

Neil Mitchell is in good form today, Black Ball. Also slipping in snide digs at Pell, in whose lynching he was a prime participant.

Yes.
Gave a good run to the “90 year old Hi Alan” caller.
Apparently she loved Menzies, hated Tony Abbott because far right and Pell and thought Albo was just tops.
Totally plausible.
But Nanny Neil let her go for five minutes.
Hoping she would defame Pell directly and he could shrug and say “I was a bit slow on the dump button”.

Arky
January 19, 2023 11:18 am

Herd immunity: If you delegate your decision making to the herd you can be immune from having to think for yourself.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2023 11:19 am

Daily Mail.

Shock as Jacinda Ardern RESIGNS as New Zealand’s Prime Minister saying she ‘doesn’t have enough in the tank’ for another term – and tells her fiancé Clarke ‘let’s finally get married’

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 11:19 am

dover0beach says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:13 am

Just looked at the ABC and the The Age website. No mention at all of two ‘married’ gay activists that sexually abused and pimped their two adopted sons on their websites. Can’t imagine they’d be silent if it had been two married conservative activists. Has anyone seen it mentioned on any other MSM?

Conservative Journalists Uncover Horrifying Story of LGBTQ Adoption and Pedophile Ring

But here’s the rub. This legally married gay couple legally adopted these boys. All things that are above board and within the scope of the law. Rights that were fought for and won by LGBTQ activists and their allies. Some of those same activists and allies are behind the current battles with Transgender men demanding access to women’s sports and women’s spaces, as well as the fights to protect children from the push toward Drag Queen story hours and celebrations.

Now we understand why.

Save for the New York Post, and local Fox 3, other than Townhall, there was no reporting done on this horrific crime. Radio silence from the national press.

Townhall picked up the investigation once again, and discovered that the original crimes committed by the Zulocks were even more horrific than originally reported. Not only were they abusing the children, but they were taping these pornographic and abusive acts.

An updated criminal affidavit says the child sexual abuse was filmed by William’s husband Zachary, “with whom he routinely engaged in sexually abusive acts” on the boy. Zachary, the household’s breadwinner, confessed to being the cameraman, and authorities allegedly found a folder on his cell phone—labeled “US”—that contained videos of William sexually abusing the child.

Further, the Zulocks solicited other pedophiles to come and rape these children.

The Zulocks allegedly distributed the rape tapes to other pedophiles for their viewing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:20 am

He certainly had the gift of reducing Julia Gilliard to the level of a shrill and screeching harpy!

Provoking apoplexy should be rewarded.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2023 11:22 am

Dover.

I had a quick look at The Nation section of the Oz and couldn’t see anything re the abusing gays.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 11:24 am

Just looked at the ABC and the The Age website. No mention at all of two ‘married’ gay activists that sexually abused and pimped their two adopted sons on their websites.

Hate speech.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 11:25 am

I wonder why Jacinda was retired from racing?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 11:26 am

Anyone on the Alex Berenson email list drop everything & read it.
Oh my.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:26 am

– and tells her fiancé Clarke ‘let’s finally get married’

You suspect Clarke gets told lots of things.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2023 11:26 am

And nothing in The World section of the Oz either.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 11:27 am

Uncle Luigi swirling down the pan:

PM’s office is accused of trying to rewrite history as they DELETE crucial line from official record of fiery radio blow-up with Ben Fordham: ‘Tampered with the truth’

When Fordham pressed the PM on Wednesday over what legal advice the government had on the controversial proposal, he asked if the solicitor-general – one of the most senior government lawyers – had been consulted.

Albanese clearly replied ‘no’, and went on to say the government had instead spoken to a range of current and former high court judges.

But the Prime Minister’s Office later published a transcript of the morning interview – and had deleted the ‘No’ in reply to Fordham’s question.

Listening to ABC Radio National yesterday (yes, yes, I know, but driving 14 hours listening to local FM gives me the shits), Albanese should be concerned at the mounting progressive concern that the Referendum is just going to deliver a Whitefella Voice designed by Gubbamint.

On the BBQ of public opinion; trapped by his own political cleverness.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 19, 2023 11:29 am

Jacinda Ardern has announced her shock resignation.

FMD, useless socialist bint finally gets the message. NZ will probably never recover from her intervention.
Good riddance to useless rubbish.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:29 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:16 am
I think you meant “shirt-fronting the government”, not the opposition.

He certainly had the gift of reducing Julia Gilliard to the level of a shrill and screeching harpy!

Bronwyn Bishop had the same gift, when she was a senator. She, also, was a disappointment in the Reps and as a minister.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 11:30 am

OldOzziesays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:06 am

The immediate applications here are still unclear, but it’s possible to make some educated guesses about what the future may hold. One likely possibility is that this technology could be used to replace lower-level employees with AI systems in an organization.

Yup.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:31 am

Arkysays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:18 am
Herd immunity: If you delegate your decision making to the herd you can be immune from having to think for yourself.

The m0nty=fa approach to any problem.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 11:31 am

Donald Trump ‘demands to be reinstated on Facebook and is preparing his first tweet back’
The Trump campaign is petitioning Meta, the parent company of Facebook, to let the ex-president access his accounts two years after suspending him for his posts on the January 6 Capitol riot.

‘We believe that the ban on President Trump’s account on Facebook has dramatically distorted and inhibited the public discourse,’ the Trump campaign wrote in a letter to Meta on Tuesday, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:32 am

I wonder why Jacinda was retired from racing?

Same as every politician- more likely to win the next election without her than with her. Have they left it too late?

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2023 11:32 am

Just watching the film ‘Kursk’ on SBS World Movies. No wonder the World’s Navy’s have trouble recruiting submariners.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 11:33 am

Big_Nambas says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:29 am

Yes but Uncle Nambas you taught me the three noble truths.

1. People know what they know, and that’s all they wanna know.
2. Real life is just like high school.
3. If voting made a difference, it would have been banned a long time ago.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 11:36 am

LOL

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.
By Derek Thompson

1 April 2021

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 19, 2023 11:36 am

Neil Mitchell is in good form today, Black Ball. Also slipping in snide digs at Pell, in whose lynching he was a prime participant.

The ABC was waving the pom-poms for kiddy-fiddlers in the 70’s – they broadcast it! They also have a history of assimilating what they champion.

And who was that woman that came out and explained how, whilst only just pre- or post-pubescent, her mother used to ‘pass’ her to luvvie friends in the arts scene, thinking it natural and proper?

None of these claims of ‘others’ they talk about were as cogent as the ones presented to court – and the one that limped all the way to a guilty verdict was unceremoniously tossed out when presented to a court Dan Andrews had not infected.

If that one was not credible, then how much less must be the ones the anti-Catholic bigots are flinging about now that the man is not able to defend himself?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 11:37 am

The Progressive view on more details:

Here’s how to get more details on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament

Gabrielle Appleby, a constitutional expert at the University of New South Wales and the Indigenous Law Centre, said there was easily digestible and accurate information that people can access if they want to learn more.

“There is the official government website that provides some information already, particularly on the previous processes that led to the Uluru Statement, the Morrison government’s co-design process, and the government’s current process,” Appleby told Crikey.

I think Uncle Luigi has already pointed to this.

However, Appleby said it would be helpful to focus on what the Voice means in principle, rather than the details of the model.

“I think what people need to understand is that they’re performing a constitutional role, and it’s to be taken seriously, and they do need information. That has to be the starting point,” she said.

She said the key thing to understand was that the referendum has two purposes. The first is to make sure the Australian state recognises the special place and history of Indigenous peoples. The second is to make a structural institutional change so that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have a right to participate in relation to government and parliamentary decisions that are made about them.

Key things.
She must be used to talking to very, very stupid people.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 11:38 am

German Court Wants to COVID Vaccinate Jewish Holocaust Survivor Against Her Will
The facts seem unbelievable, because Germany has really learned nothing at all from history. Confidants of a Ukrainian-born composer who is famous in her homeland turned to Report24. A court in Stuttgart has ordered one year of forced admission to a closed psychiatric ward. First of all, the old lady should be “vaccinated against Covid-19” twice – also with the use of force. An exclusive video shows: She is neither of unsound mind nor endangering herself or others. She’s just afraid for her life.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:38 am

H B Bearsays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:20 am
He certainly had the gift of reducing Julia Gilliard to the level of a shrill and screeching harpy!

Provoking apoplexy should be rewarded.

Particularly when it is your opponent who is apoplectic.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 11:42 am

Dr Faustus says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:30 am

OldOzziesays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:06 am

The immediate applications here are still unclear, but it’s possible to make some educated guesses about what the future may hold. One likely possibility is that this technology could be used to replace lower-level employees with AI systems in an organization.

Yup.

I think as someone who has had multiple MRIs, CAT & PET Scans over the last number of years – I see AI reviewing millions of data from Scans as an assist to the Medical Profession in Diagnosis & Prognosis

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:43 am

Dr Faustussays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:30 am
OldOzziesays:
January 19, 2023 at 11:06 am

The immediate applications here are still unclear, but it’s possible to make some educated guesses about what the future may hold. One likely possibility is that this technology could be used to replace lower-level employees with AI systems in an organization.

Yup.

One of the early potential uses could be in deciding elegibility for social security. The rules are laid out in the legislation and regulations, and could readily be programmed into AI. The only human intervention needed would be audits to verify the correctness of the application.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 11:46 am

in Skewered in Davos news:

UN chief slams oil firms for ‘big lie’ on global warming

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres skewered oil firms on Wednesday for having “peddled the big lie” about their role in global warming, telling the World Economic Forum that they should be held accountable.

“We learned last week that certain fossil fuel producers were fully aware in the 1970s that their core product was baking our planet,” Guterres said.

He was referring to a study published in the journal Science that said ExxonMobil had dismissed the findings of its own scientists on the role of fossil fuels in climate change.

“Just like the tobacco industry, they rode roughshod over their own science,” Guterres said, referring to lawsuits that determined cigarette companies had hidden the dangers of their products.

“Some in Big Oil peddled the big lie. And like the tobacco industry, those responsible must be held to account,” he said.

Apparently ExxonMobil scientists had modelled and predicted global warming “with shocking accuracy“. Unlike anybody else in the climate modelling industry.

I think the general idea is that Big Oil should have shut in production in the 1970’s.
Davos pilgrims presumably would have arrived in sedan chairs – although it’s not immediately clear how the rest of the world would have survived.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 11:49 am

The second is to make a structural institutional change so that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have a right to participate in relation to government and parliamentary decisions that are made about them.

They already have the right to vote, and the percentage of people “identifying” as (which might not be the same as being) indigenous is higher than their percentage in the population. Are these people stupid?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 11:52 am

The second is to make a structural institutional change so that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have a right to participate in relation to government and parliamentary decisions that are made about them.

As a former Lieboral voter I’m having the same issues.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
January 19, 2023 11:53 am

Jacinda Ahern was as effective at being NZ PM as wiping your bum with Gympie Bush.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 11:55 am

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced she will resign as PM by February 7 at the latest, and will depart parliament in April.

Best news of the day – or at least in 2023. She obviously knew she would be kicked out in October.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 11:57 am

Johnny Rotten says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:32 am

Just watching the film ‘Kursk’ on SBS World Movies. No wonder the World’s Navy’s have trouble recruiting submariners.

Recorded yesterday, and looking forward to watching, as was watching

https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/movie/all-quiet-on-the-western-front/1698704451971

Film, War, War 2h 31m 1979

A young German soldier and his comrades are haunted by the horrors of World War I, after they are indoctrinated by propaganda at school to encourage them to enlist in the war.

Subtitles: English
Country: United States
Director: Delbert Mann
Cast:
Richard Thomas, Ernest Borgnine, Patricia Neal, Ian Holm, Donald Pleasence, Mark Drewry, Paul Mark Elliott, David Bradley, Matthew Evans, George Winter, Dominic Jephcott

m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 11:59 am

The scientists used a vaccine that has a different mechanism of basic action than the mRNA jabs from Pfizer and Moderna, which turn our own cells into spike protein factories.

This is the sentence that should have told Berenson not to overhype this story. But no, he has Substack subs to sell.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 11:59 am

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will stand down on February 7.

She said she had hoped to find the energy and heart to continue in the role over summer, “but I have not been able to do that”.

She said she had reflected on her own future. “This has been the most fulfilling five and a half years of my life,” Ardern said.

She made the announcement choking back tears.

typical wyminsis, when the going gets tough she racks off

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 11:59 am

Shock as Jacinda Ardern RESIGNS as New Zealand’s Prime Minister saying she ‘doesn’t have enough in the tank’ for another term – and tells her fiancé Clarke ‘let’s finally get married’

Translation:-
“The opunion polls hev turned to shut.”

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 12:01 pm

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced she will resign as PM by February 7 at the latest, and will depart parliament in April.

Thereby depriving New Zealanders of the opportunity to throw her out.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 12:03 pm

I think as someone who has had multiple MRIs, CAT & PET Scans over the last number of years – I see AI reviewing millions of data from Scans as an assist to the Medical Profession in Diagnosis & Prognosis

OldOzzie: Don’t get me wrong, I see huge benefits in AI technology – your example is one and I have others in my own world of geophysics and petrophysics. My point is only that AI presently is an ‘assist’, not intelligence per se.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 19, 2023 12:03 pm

Dover, there was recent research out of Cleveland done on 50,000 health workers. Showed that the more jabs you had the more it comprises immune system and more likely to get reinfected. I recall EU Medicines Authority this time last year warning of dangers to immune system due to repeated doses.

But not to worry campaign warming up to push jab no 5. I believe decision will be made on 1 Feb.

“Mice who received more than four Covid vaccine jabs had a collapse in their ability to fight the coronavirus, Chinese researchers have found”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 12:04 pm

America’s strategy of failure comes to Ukraine

US mission creep in Ukraine follows in the fatal footsteps of ultimately failed war campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq

Since the failures of the US military missions in places like Afghanistan and Iraq – and many other Muslim nations like Libya – critics of the US mission in the “global war on terrorism” have lamented the lack of a coherent strategy.

As the tired line from Carl von Clausewitz goes, “war is an extension of politics through other means.” Warfare, therefore, is an inherently political act. More precisely, it is the use of violence by a state or non-state actor to affect a political outcome.

Thus whenever military force is used it must have clear ends set forth by the political leadership ordering the use of that military force. Those clearly defined political ends must be supplemented by reliable ways to achieve that realistic political objective. The means are the resources that must be brought to bear in order to accomplish the political end.

What’s more, those political objectives must be fixed into place by the political and military leadership.

They cannot change mid-mission (this has nothing to do with being flexible at the tactical level).

One of the greatest failures of the last 30 years of US foreign policy interventions across the Middle East was what former secretary of defense Robert Gates called “mission creep.” This is akin to shifting goalposts in the middle of the game, making the game unwinnable.

As America’s failed operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria and so many others since 1945 have shown, mission creep can be catastrophic to both the prestige of the US military as well as its readiness to conduct its larger mission of deterring actual great state rivals to the United States, namely China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.

Afghanistan: the long loss

Iraq: an idiot’s delight

Dazed and confused in Ukraine

Having thoroughly failed in its Middle East wars, the Americans have now taken the odious products of its failure factories and sent them to the Russo-Ukrainian war. After the Russians invaded Ukraine last year, the Americans flooded weapons and other forms of support into the besieged nation.

What was the plan, though? Initially, it seemed like the United States’ objective was to rally its NATO partners into repulsing the Russian invasion into Western Ukraine in 2022. This was a sensible strategy – and it worked. The relatively small Russian invasion force of 160,000 troops collapsed under the sustained pressure of Ukraine’s defenders.

Once Kiev was secured and the survival of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government was assured, the logical course of action would have been to sue for peace, to negotiate a settlement that kept western Ukraine free and ceded the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine and Crimea officially to the Russians.

At the precise moment that the Americans had achieved their desired goal, though, Washington doubled down and encouraged the Ukrainians to shift their objective from one of realistic territorial defense to an insane attempt to restore Ukrainian control completely over both eastern Ukraine and the heavily fortified Crimean Peninsula.

Recently, Western leaders have begun talking openly about their desire to see President Vladimir Putin overthrown and the Russian Federation partitioned. Even under the best of circumstances, short of total world war, this was never going to happen. But the fantasists in Washington have deluded themselves and Ukraine into committing strategic suicide based on these unattainable dreams.

By following the strategically illiterate Americans, all the Ukrainians will do is drain themselves – as well as NATO’s coffers and weapons stocks – and make themselves susceptible to a massive Russian counterattack. This, of course, is precisely what is happening in Ukraine.

Thanks to their close association with the geopolitical naïfs in Washington, Ukraine has been duped into charging headlong into a war it cannot win against nuclear-armed Russia, all while the West does little to prepare itself for the wider war it has provoked.

Inmates running the asylum

Had there been any adult in Washington during this current crisis or had former president Donald Trump been in charge during this time, it is likely that the entire Russo-Ukrainian war would have been avoided. Alas, the Washington establishment is incapable of self-awareness.

These pampered princes must offer tribute for their unfounded status to the gods of war with the blood of Ukraine’s sons and daughters – and eventually the blood of America’s youth.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 19, 2023 12:05 pm

WEF meeting in Davos.
NZ PM resigns. Look for where she pops up next.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 19, 2023 12:10 pm

“The opunion polls hev turned to shut.”

Thunks for thut.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 12:12 pm

Very compelling.

Jimmy Corsetti Shares New Evidence for Atlantis Theory (Richat Structure)

Joe Rogan Experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc5_z6buSLE

However, even if this theory is true or not, there will be thousands of astroturfed podcasts downplaying this and even smearing the theory as racist.

“I’m smart and middle class, I believe in smears, I ignore the evidence and think what I am told to think”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 12:12 pm

Dr Faustus says:
January 19, 2023 at 12:03 pm

I think as someone who has had multiple MRIs, CAT & PET Scans over the last number of years – I see AI reviewing millions of data from Scans as an assist to the Medical Profession in Diagnosis & Prognosis

OldOzzie: Don’t get me wrong, I see huge benefits in AI technology – your example is one and I have others in my own world of geophysics and petrophysics. My point is only that AI presently is an ‘assist’, not intelligence per se.

Dr Faustus,

I think in AlphaGo and Deep Mind – AI has moved away from assist and has shown self learning and as that develops will as https://www.deepmind.com/impact states

These real-world projects build on our breakthroughs in fundamental AI research, published in journals like Nature, Science, and more.

– WaveNet: A generative model for raw audio
– Giving doctors a headstart on acute kidney injury
– More accurately identifying breast cancer
– AlphaStar plays StarCraft II at Grandmaster level
– A neural network with dynamic memory
– GQN: Neural scene representation and rendering

– Identifying eye disease faster

We partnered with Moorfields Eye Hospital to develop faster ways of identifying, and better ways of understanding, common eye diseases from routine scans.

Over 100 million people are affected by diabetic retinopathy or age-related macular degeneration. These conditions can cause permanent sight loss unless they’re treated quickly. The results, which were published in Nature Medicine, showed that our AI system could recommend patient referrals as accurately as world-leading expert doctors for over 50 sight-threatening eye diseases. More recently, we showed that our system can predict whether a patient will develop a more severe form of age-related macular degeneration months before it happens–paving the way for future research in sight-loss prevention.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 12:16 pm

Once Kiev was secured and the survival of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government was assured, the logical course of action would have been to sue for peace, to negotiate a settlement that kept western Ukraine free and ceded the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine and Crimea officially to the Russians.

An enimently sensible solution.

What stood in its way was the Ukrainian Constitution, which requires a referendum before territory can be ceded. At no point was that vote likely to be “Yes.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2023 12:17 pm

Mice who received more than four Covid vaccine jabs had a collapse in their ability to fight the coronavirus, Chinese researchers have found. The damage extended past antibodies, the immune system’s front line of defense against viruses and bacteria, to the T-cells that form the crucial backup.

I said this, what, two years ago? And got in trouble for it. The spike protein mediates cell fusion, so gp120 receptor cells in the blood stream will tend to bind onto the blood vessel lining cells which display the spike protein (produced via the mRNA). That’s based on Dutch et al. Once the T cells have fused with the lining cells they stop working and are no longer in circulation to fight other infections, or another Covid infection. They will however produce antibodies before they die off, so you get the temporary two or three months of some immunity, but once they decay the immunity goes negative – as the Swedish and Israeli studies showed.

On the other hand so long as stem cells in bone marrow aren’t affected the T cells should eventually regenerate. But every booster will destroy them all over again.

Perhaps this’ll get better when they stop including the original Alpha/Delta spike mRNA in the mix, and just have the Omicron version, but as far as I know they still do so.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 12:18 pm

A fun AI programme to watch is MarI/O, explains how AI can work in way novices can grasp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44

MarI/O – Machine Learning for Video Games
SethBling
2M subscribers
10,964,105 views Jun 14, 2015
MarI/O is a program made of neural networks and genetic algorithms that kicks butt at Super Mario World.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 12:19 pm

Ron DeSantis today announced a legislative proposal to permanently ban COVID mask mandates, vaccines mandates, and vaccine-based discrimination throughout the state of Florida.

Wish we had a party leader with the moral courage of Ron DeSantis. Dream on.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 19, 2023 12:20 pm

Down town this morning – five cars, including mine have “Don’t welcome me to my own country” stickers…

bons
bons
January 19, 2023 12:20 pm

A woman with whom we were associated spent her life taking teaching jobs in obscure and often dangerous places.
She had a four year contract in the Maldives on an outer island with very limited contact with the far away capital.
Not exactly a paradise, rather bare and isolated, but happy people. We visited her, but only at Male because she wanted a break from her isolated atol. It was OK, but people were upset by the increasing intrusion of hard line Islam.
One day a team arrived on her island from the Govt accompanied by a genuine Saudi mullah, and everything changed overnight. Nobody could understand the Saudi but that didn’t seem to matter.
The young girls were put in rags, prayers and beards compulsory, and people became scared of contact with Westerners.
Our pal wasn’t harassed but she was completely frozen out and eventually her employer pulled her out.
She became obsessive, and a little boring, about her gentle and contented charges having been turned into Saudi clones.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 12:20 pm

Another neural network for video games.

MarI/Q

Mario Kart, Deep Q Learning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnu4O_xEmVk

MarIQ — Q-Learning Neural Network for Mario Kart — 2M Sub Special
SethBling
2M subscribers
350,503 views Jun 30, 2019
I hit 2M subs, so I decided to finally release MarIQ, my Q-Learning Neural Network that teaches itself to play Super Mario Kart.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2023 12:21 pm

Pogria that could never happen to the munster. No testicles, no hair.

Tom
Tom
January 19, 2023 12:27 pm

i hope those who voted in last May’s federal election notice who Jacinta Ardern’s maaates are. Paywallian:

An inspiration and a great friend: PM’s Ardern tribute

Perhaps it has something to do with why Anthony Albanese’s party got one of the lowest primary votes in history of an incoming government.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 12:29 pm

They will however produce antibodies before they die off, so you get the temporary two or three months of some immunity, but once they decay the immunity goes negative – as the Swedish and Israeli studies showed.

I have yet to find any unvaccinated individual who has contracted Covid more than once. Admittedly, there are not many of us unvaccinated examples. But I am contact with quite a few unvaccinated – and I am yet to find a case of reinfection.

Obviously this must be a result of natural immunity following the initial infection – if, indeed, it is a result of natural immunity & not a robust immune system.

Any unvaccinated Cats who have had Covid twice?

C.L.
C.L.
January 19, 2023 12:32 pm

Michael Clarke has a tramp stamp.
Enough said.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2023 12:32 pm

Apparently ExxonMobil scientists had modelled and predicted global warming “with shocking accuracy“. Unlike anybody else in the climate modelling industry.

Illusory accuracy. They got the slope of the temperature rise from the 1970’s correct. But they got the wrong cause. It isn’t due to CO2 – most was due to the thermohaline cycle…which then peaked in about 2001. Which is why there’s been nearly no warming since (except for the cute adjustments they do to the “official data”).

So it’s fun that climate bed wetter Guterres is howling about the only slightly less climate bed wetting Exxon. As you know Tillerson the Exxon CEO was appointed by Trump and the conspired to stitch him up via the 25th Amendment. That too is ironic given who’s now in the White House.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2023 12:37 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
January 19, 2023 at 12:17 pm
Mice who received more than four Covid vaccine jabs had a collapse in their ability to fight the coronavirus, Chinese researchers have found. The damage extended past antibodies, the immune system’s front line of defense against viruses and bacteria, to the T-cells that form the crucial backup.

I said this, what, two years ago? And got in trouble for it. The spike protein mediates cell fusion, so gp120 receptor cells in the blood stream will tend to bind onto the blood vessel lining cells which display the spike protein (produced via the mRNA). That’s based on Dutch et al. Once the T cells have fused with the lining cells they stop working and are no longer in circulation to fight other infections, or another Covid infection. They will however produce antibodies before they die off, so you get the temporary two or three months of some immunity, but once they decay the immunity goes negative – as the Swedish and Israeli studies showed.

On the other hand so long as stem cells in bone marrow aren’t affected the T cells should eventually regenerate. But every booster will destroy them all over again.

Perhaps this’ll get better when they stop including the original Alpha/Delta spike mRNA in the mix, and just have the Omicron version, but as far as I know they still do so.

Bruce I had a quick look at a study which might explain why repeated shots can induce the loss of immunity. The paper argued that in viral infection a class of T cells, Tregs, can induce programmed cell death(apoptosis) in CD8 T cells. Prof. Clancy noted that repeated exposure to antigens can involve the creation of many more suppressor cells. He probably had in mind Myeloid Derived Suppressor Cells, which like some Tregs, suppress the immune response. In cancer therapy MDSCs have been demonstrated to induce apoptosis of CD8 T cells. That is so counter-intuitive, why would the immune responses kill off the very cells trying to protect the body?

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2023 12:39 pm

Any unvaccinated Cats who have had Covid twice?

Not had it once and no one I know of that is “Un Jabbed” has had it as well. Everyone I know that has been ‘Jabbed’ and ‘Boosterised’ has had the ‘Rona at least once.

I blame it all on Climate Change…………sarc.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2023 12:40 pm

GreyRanga,
LOL! Perhaps he glued a Mirkin to his perineum.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2023 12:40 pm

Probably mentioned it before. A young guy I know does AI for a mob in Canberra. His take is AI is a tool only throwing up answers to problems we’ve never even considered because of conditioning. We may not like the answers but still something to consider.

m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 12:48 pm

What was the plan, though? Initially, it seemed like the United States’ objective was to rally its NATO partners into repulsing the Russian invasion into Western Ukraine in 2022. This was a sensible strategy – and it worked. The relatively small Russian invasion force of 160,000 troops collapsed under the sustained pressure of Ukraine’s defenders.

Once Kiev was secured and the survival of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government was assured, the logical course of action would have been to sue for peace, to negotiate a settlement that kept western Ukraine free and ceded the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine and Crimea officially to the Russians.

Er… no.

Republican hack cries about America winning a war. Delicious!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 19, 2023 12:48 pm

I think in AlphaGo and Deep Mind – AI has moved away from assist and has shown self learning and as that develops will as https://www.deepmind.com/impact states

“AI has moved away from assist and has shown self learning.”

Interestingly, even in its basic browser/console format, ChatGPT clearly shows learning – which makes testing it an interesting exercise. However in this limited context self-learning alone doesn’t transform AI from being an ‘assist’ to (what?) an authority? or an expert opinion? or even a thoughtful opinion. (Obviously this is an IMHO statement about which I could be quite wrong.)

More intriguingly, ChatGPT shows signs of critical reasoning – which (for me) is a much bigger step towards ‘intelligence’ than simply accumulating ‘knowledge’.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2023 12:48 pm

Vicki I’m unjabbinated, never had covid, never had the flu ever, had a head cold for 3-4 days recently. First in 5 years. Now renal calculi, thats a different story.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 12:52 pm

Any unvaccinated Cats who have had Covid twice?

3 times for sure. possibly 4 but didnt bother testing

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 12:52 pm

Vicki says:
January 19, 2023 at 12:29 pm

They will however produce antibodies before they die off, so you get the temporary two or three months of some immunity, but once they decay the immunity goes negative – as the Swedish and Israeli studies showed.

I have yet to find any unvaccinated individual who has contracted Covid more than once. Admittedly, there are not many of us unvaccinated examples. But I am contact with quite a few unvaccinated – and I am yet to find a case of reinfection.

Obviously this must be a result of natural immunity following the initial infection – if, indeed, it is a result of natural immunity & not a robust immune system.

Vicki,

as only Unvaxxed member of Family 3 kids 9 Grandkids, living with Wife, Youngest Daughter, Son-in-law & Grandkids 7/8/9 -6/9/11 years.

Am the only member of Family of 17 people (includes self) NOT to have had Covid – a number of my Family have had Covid 3 times

Re Immunity, I would assume mine is pretty Crap, having been at Hospital over 90 times during 2 years of Covid, 4 Minor Ops, 1 Major Op, Pre Ops, Post Ops, Eye/ENT/Plastics Outpatient Clinics and 34 Rounds of Immunotherapy every 3 weeks with Blood Tests at Hospital every 3 weeks the Day before.

I had already been taking Anti-virals when Covid hit, Quercetin with Bromelain, Zinc, Vit D, NAC,etc and took extra Bromelain before major 9 1/2 hour op & believe that helped head to heal, where rotting bone had been cut out with muscle and veins taken from below left shoulder blade, then had been micro surgery in to facilitate blood flow under skin taken from thigh, and my Plastic Specialist was amazed when I did not need a Minor Op followup, as head had totally healed – Bromelain assits wound healing after surgery.

As I have previously stated, I was looking at having Novavax, but by the time it was approved, was happy with Anti Viral approach, so gave it a miss and remain Unvaxxed – but did have Seniors Flu Vax, but not a 2nd as GP wanted, since I had got through Winter Flu Season with live-in Grandkids having mutliple colds with no problems.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2023 12:53 pm

Vicki,
never jabbed, never tested. Haven’t had a cold or flu for almost thirty years. Seasonal hay fever is all I ever have, easily remedied.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 19, 2023 12:54 pm

Dr F more than half the planet show no critical reasoning. Even a half baked computer program is a quantum leap. The toss of a coin is more accurate than munty and special ed.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 19, 2023 12:55 pm

The horse has retired lame.

Sniffed the air in the paddock and realised what the sheep botherers were going to do at election time.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 12:57 pm

3 times for sure. possibly 4 but didnt bother testing

Ah Zip! You disprove the theory that “natural immunity” will prevail. I always doubted it – because, after all, it is a form of flu – albeit with the genomic sequence “fiddled with”. And, as such, no reason why the unvaccinated would not contract a new variant.

I guess what Van Den Bossche was saying – is that the unvaccinated had less to worry about the severity of subsequent infections because their immune systems had not been subject to the assault of continued jabs stimulating the spike protein.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2023 12:58 pm

They will however produce antibodies before they die off, so you get the temporary two or three months of some immunity, but once they decay the immunity goes negative – as the Swedish and Israeli studies showed.

T cells do not produce antibodies. B and plasma cells do that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:00 pm

Part 2: Just How Big Was the Operation Led by the LGBTQ Couple Who Abused Their Adopted Sons?

This is Part 2 of a four-part investigative series. Read Part 1 here.

Content Warning: This article contains graphic descriptions of child sexual abuse. Reader discretion is advised.

Part 1 of the Zulock saga covered how gay activists William Dale Zulock Jr. and Zachary “Zack” Jacoby Zulock, the adoptive fathers of two boys, have been indicted by a grand jury on a slew of felony child sex charges, including prostitution of a minor.

Count 16 and Count 17 of the indictment charges the Zulock couple with soliciting 27-year-old Hunter Clay Lawless and 25-year-old Luis Armando Vizcarro-Sanchez, both of Loganville, to engage in “an act of prostitution” with their 11-year-old adopted boy.

Co-Conspirators

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 19, 2023 1:00 pm

Regarding NZ PM resignation had update from Kiwi mate. Same day as info came out from OIA report into Myocarditis in the young. TGA must be pooing their pants about now. Just one article below.

DAILY TELEGRAPH
NEW ZEALAND
NEWS
By
DAILY TELEGRAPH NZ
January 19, 2023

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HomeNewsCranmer’s Substack: Govt ignored expert advice in kids and young person’s jab…
CRANMER’S SUBSTACK: GOVT IGNORED EXPERT ADVICE IN KIDS AND YOUNG PERSON’S JAB ROLL-OUT
Cranmer’s Substack news
‘COVID AND OUR KIWI KIDS’ IS A TWO-PART INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER GOVERNMENT ACTIONS IN THE MRNA ROLL-OUT FOLLOWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ITS ADVISORS.
The investigation is published on Cranmer’s Substack.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has constantly reassured New Zealanders that her government would be ‘guided by the experts’ as their ‘number one priority.’

The investigation analyses how the decisions made were presented to the public by Ardern, the then Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield, and others.

The documents referred to in the articles are publicly available and show the government did not follow key recommendations of technical experts in relation to a series of mRNA decisions affecting children and persons up to the age of 30.

The author’s detailed and important analysis provides a chilling insight into how ‘communications strategies’ and reducing vaccine hesitancy took precedence over giving the public accurate medical advice, which in turn raises questions over whether informed consent can be given in such circumstances. Public announcements by Dr. Bloomfield, and others, on issues such as the recommended interval between doses for young persons contradicted advice from CV TAG, the advisory group which provides recommendations on the use of COVID-19 ‘vaccinations’.

‘What we know with certainty is that the Prime Minister’s claim that the New Zealand government followed the advice of our medical experts on these issues is not accurate.’

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2023 1:03 pm

Surprise, surprise. Jamie Lee Curtis has unusual photo on her office wall.
Oops.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 1:06 pm

Jacinda Ardern would like to be remembered “as someone who was always kind.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:06 pm

Waking at 3am? Science says it’s actually fine

Forget all the advice that you must have eight, pure and uninterrupted hours of sleep – just snooze like our ancestors did.

You wake with a start. The world around you is pitch black. Your partner is sleeping, provocatively peacefully. You reach for the alarm clock, then curse it. It’s 3am. Again. Why does this keep happening? Is it symptomatic of stress, or a sign of something more sinister? Or perhaps we’re worrying needlessly, manufacturing a “health crisis”?

“This was the whole reason I wrote my book,” says Russell Foster, professor of circadian neuroscience at Oxford University and author of Life Time: The New Science of the Body Clock. “I wanted to say: here’s the science. Now stop worrying about it.”

In many ways, the human race has never been better set up for sleep. Soft beds, anti-allergy bedding, and weighted and electric blankets abound. And yet, believes Foster, “we’ve become so worried about our sleep there’s now a real condition called sleep anxiety”.

Apps, products and – yes – newspapers tell us we must have eight, pure and uninterrupted hours of sleep, or else suffer dire consequences. However, says Foster: “Waking up in the middle of the night is, broadly speaking, the natural form of sleep. When people accept that, they get the best sleep they ever had.”

The historian A. Roger Ekirch is largely responsible for this discovery. In the 1990s, while researching the history of night-time, he began encountering a mysterious phrase: “first sleep”. The Greek philosopher Plutarch mentions it. Cervantes writes of Don Quixote: “Being satisfied with his first sleep, did not solicit more.”

Ekrich says: “Its prevalence as the predominant pattern of Western slumber stretched from antiquity to the mid-19th century.” Until electric lighting and strict factory schedules interfered, it was common to sleep in two shifts: slumbering until somewhere around midnight, then waking naturally for a couple of hours.

This “interval of wakefulness” was so routine, it was common for people to complete “mundane activities such as prayer, study and unskilled chores that required minimal light”, Ekirch says. He admits, though, that others had more fun.

Middle-of-the-night creativity

Around the same time as Ekirch was making his discoveries, the psychiatrist Thomas Wehr was conducting experiments in which he deprived test subjects of light, and other distractions, for 14 hours out of every 24. After a month, their sleep patterns evolved from a single long stretch to two, separated by a wakeful period of between one and three hours.

Foster says: “Studies going on now in South American cultures, where there’s no electric light, are finding similar fragmented patterns.

“So I think we’ve got enough evidence that our natural pattern is not this mythical eight hours of consolidated sleep. It is much more likely to be polyphasic or biphasic,” which is sleeping in two or multiple phases, instead of a single block. We do not know yet what health benefits biphasic sleep might have over the conventional model, but that hasn’t stopped split-sleeping becoming the latest productivity hack.

“Too many people who have split sleep patterns have the ill-judged belief that it will optimise their performance,” says James Wilson, a sleep expert (also known as The Sleep Geek) who has founded an organisation called Kip Mate that helps organisations, sports teams and individuals get better sleep. “In my experience, working with tens of thousands of poor sleepers every year, it generally doesn’t.”

But what of all the poets and rock stars who wake naturally at 2am with an entire poem or song fully formed in their minds? The myth of middle-of-the-night creativity may not be totally unfounded. Says Foster: “It could be that you’ve experienced the first period of sleep, when you’re having most of your slow wave sleep, and it’s likely that’s where information processing and memory consolidation is taking place. You may have woken up with that partial idea, and then you can work on it.”

If the muses naturally wake you at 2am, and you can sleep in later to compensate, then run with it, he suggests. Others, however, will find themselves waking for more prosaic reasons. “The amplitude of our circadian rhythms drops as we age,” Foster explains. “It has a number of consequences. The circadian drive for sleep and wake is not so pronounced.” The hormonal regulation of our urine production – which would usually tell our bodies to produce lots in the day and little at night – weakens too. So, you may wake up needing a wee.

Nocturnal bathroom trips can be minimised by moving around more before bed (among those of a certain age with sedentary habits, he explains, as much as a litre of urine can be generated when you lie down to sleep, as a result of reintegrating the fluid that’s accumulated in your ankles and feet). Also, “get outside early”, says Foster, “as morning light in particular is very good at setting the clock and therefore the sleep-wake timing”.

If you do wake up after your “first sleep”, keep the lights low, perhaps play some soporific music. Don’t check the news or emails, but picking up a Kindle is fine. “If the sight of the early hour alarms you, cover the dial on your clock,” counsels Foster. “What you need to do is enhance your ability to fall back to sleep.”

But most of all, he pleads: “I wouldn’t worry about waking up.”

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 19, 2023 1:07 pm

Dot says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:33 am

Big_Nambas says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:29 am

Yes but Uncle Nambas you taught me the three noble truths.

1. People know what they know, and that’s all they wanna know.
2. Real life is just like high school.
3. If voting made a difference, it would have been banned a long time ago.

While I have seen no evidence that you have learned anything in all my years on Catalaxy, the 3 lessons you claim I taught you sound good to me!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 19, 2023 1:10 pm

Roger says:
January 19, 2023 at 1:06 pm

Jacinda Ardern would like to be remembered “as someone who was always kind.”

I will remember the bint, but not for kindness, mostly for stupidity.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 1:11 pm

More intriguingly, ChatGPT shows signs of critical reasoning – which (for me) is a much bigger step towards ‘intelligence’ than simply accumulating ‘knowledge’.

its almost like reasoning is like a cartesian product of abstract concepts

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 1:13 pm

Jacinda’s kindness.

The New Zealand Security Intelligence Service put out a bulletin stating that anyone with dissident political views has been “radicalized” and asks the public to report their friends and family members if they question government narratives.

“So it could be the Covid measures the government took, or it could be other policies that are interpreted as infringing on rights….’” intelligence chief Rebecca Kitteridge told media.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 1:14 pm

Once Kiev was secured and the survival of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s government was assured, the logical course of action would have been to sue for peace, to negotiate a settlement that kept western Ukraine free and ceded the Russian-speaking provinces of eastern Ukraine and Crimea officially to the Russians.

Er… no.

m0nty=fa is still hot for a Great War on Wussin Imperialism.

But not hot enough to enlist for it.

Republican hack cries about America winning a war. Delicious!

And is not interested in victory if a Republican supports victory.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 19, 2023 1:14 pm

“I’ve been on the mUnty shakes for 3 weeks. My handicap has gone from 15 to 22 and none of my socks fit.”

Chortle

Jacinda Ardern would like to be remembered “as someone who was always kind.”

Head tilt central. Masked her bastardry

Arky
January 19, 2023 1:14 pm

The gleefulness of some of the comments on here about Ms Ahern are mean spirited, tribal and entirely ignoring her outstanding democratic achievement as the world’s first horse to be elected Prime Minister.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 1:15 pm

Teh Paywallian “Real Housewives of Noosa”. LOL

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:16 pm

The Australian understands NSW Treasurer Matt Kean will issue orders requiring the majority of the state’s thermal coal miners to reserve up to 10 per cent of their output for NSW power stations by the end of the month, under a new clampdown designed to head off potential supply shortfalls this year.

Purchase asset or enter long term lease with certain terms from vendor.
Years after the fact, the vendor approaches you & says they want to change the terms of the agreement.
Contract law doesn’t apply to governments ?

Figures
Figures
January 19, 2023 1:17 pm

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out.

Yes. Hitler said that Jews were scientifically proven to be more likely to spread disease.

So he banned them from society and then murdered them.

Note that Hitler’s “science” was every bit as valid as covid vaccine science.

Monty loves the Holocaust. There isn’t a single thing about it that he wouldn’t replicate if given half a chance.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2023 1:17 pm

T cells do not produce antibodies. B and plasma cells do that.

John – I was being simplistic. T-helpers tell the B cells to make it. If you don’t have T cells recognising the spike protein and then telling a passing B cell you will get very limited antibody production.

I don’t know if the spike protein binds on a B cell receptor. Perhaps it does to memory B cells, which would help explain multiple reinfections if the B cells are also negated via cell fusion. Anyway I defer to you, I am not greatly interested in immunology and biochemistry, and I’ve neither had the vax nor caught the virus as far as I know.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 19, 2023 1:17 pm

Oh and I forgot momentarily, teeth!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:17 pm

Singapore wants green fuel, not giant cable: Forrest

Those plans, which had already drawn industry scepticism, are now unviable, with costs spiralling and uncertainty over demand, Mr Forrest said in an interview in Davos, Switzerland, where he is attending the World Economic Forum.

Authorities and industries in Singapore say “we don’t know why you want to send us all these electrons, when what we’ve asked the world for — and no one’s giving us — is molecules,” Mr Forrest said on Monday. “We want green hydrogen, we want green, synthetic methane, we want green ammonia.”

Singapore is among major global shipping hubs that are responding to decarbonisation with ambitions to boost trade in fossil-fuel alternatives, including biofuels and hydrogen. The nation’s government forecasts hydrogen could meet up to half of its power needs by 2050.

The city-state’s Energy Market Authority declined to comment. Authorities have previously said the nation has had more than 20 proposals for clean electricity supply, including from neighbouring Indonesia and Malaysia, and is on track to meet a target of importing 4 gigawatts by 2035.

The billionaire’s Squadron Energy unit — which holds about a 25 per cent stake in Sun Cable — is considering a potential offer for the company and would require the exit of the existing leadership team, a person familiar with the details said last week.

“We lost faith in the management and chairman,” Mr Forrest said in the interview. “They’re a little start-up that has lavish offices and are spending money like there’s no tomorrow, and the management team plus board are really inexperienced.”

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 1:18 pm

I will remember the bint, but not for kindness, mostly for stupidity.

I’ll remember her for her malevolence.

See dot’s post just above.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:19 pm

If you have had mRNA injected into you, you need to be taking a NMN/NAD supplement.
View the cost as an investment.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 19, 2023 1:20 pm

Monty loves the Holocaust. There isn’t a single thing about it that he wouldn’t replicate if given half a chance.

Except monty doesn’t have the balls to do anything himself.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:20 pm

“They’re a little start-up that has lavish offices

They sure do.

eric hinton
eric hinton
January 19, 2023 1:21 pm

Bear Necessities says:
January 19, 2023 at 11:53 am
Jacinda Ahern was as effective at being NZ PM as wiping your bum with Gympie Bush.

Speaking of bare necessities. I think enough water has passed under the bridge I can tell this story…. Under a previous alias I made a quip on the Cat about wiping my arse with gympie-gympie leaves to save paper during the great dunny paper rush of 2020 and Sancho – who may be clewed up about most things but does not appear to be up on his rainforest species – bird struck me something fierce…. Lacking the composure of say BoN, I rose to the bait and was banned.

All good though. I sorted out with the Beach Meister and he let me back on under his bird struck protection program and I even had a friendly back and forth with Sancho re dorpers. Being ‘struck by Sancho did have one truly beneficial effect for me as it turned out. Things had gotten a bit tense between the jabbed and unjabbed wings of the family and when I regaled them with the story how I had finally bucked up the courage to delurk and sign on to the Cat, only to find myself mistaken for an axe murderer by a member of the SS Leibstandorper, tensions evaporated.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 1:23 pm

C.L.says:

January 19, 2023 at 12:32 pm

Michael Clarke has a tramp stamp.
Enough said.

A line in that story is emblematic of modern j’ism:-
“They may have been crying, but their eyes were concealed behind sunglasses”.
Golf clap, for making a meal out of a crumb.
Other things we learned.
Firstly, they were staying at the house of a “celebrity accountant”. Is this an accountant who does work for celebrities? Or is it an accountant who is also a celebrity? Does such a beast exist?
Secondly, the occupations of the ladies involved. Mrs Carl 2.0 is a shoe designer. Her sister, the (presumably) former Mrs Clarke, is an interior designer. The prior Mrs Clarke with whom Mr Clarke is accused of having an illicit dalliance, is a fashion designer.
In other words, none of them have ever had a real job.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:25 pm

The start up universe in Australia is so different to the US which is so different to Asia (ex China).
In Australia they tend to work backwards.
Ie, fancy office, big salary come first.
Then actually building the business/service.
It’s quite bizarre.
I was told a story the other day about an Australian start up that needs to raise cash to keep the lights on.
The CEO was doing zoom calls from Europe because he’s been away for a month skiing.
Yep, that’s a CEO with their priorities in the correct order.

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2023 1:25 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
January 19, 2023 at 1:17 pm
T cells do not produce antibodies. B and plasma cells do that.

John – I was being simplistic. T-helpers tell the B cells to make it. If you don’t have T cells recognising the spike protein and then telling a passing B cell you will get very limited antibody production.

I don’t know if the spike protein binds on a B cell receptor. Perhaps it does to memory B cells, which would help explain multiple reinfections if the B cells are also negated via cell fusion. Anyway I defer to you, I am not greatly interested in immunology and biochemistry, and I’ve neither had the vax nor caught the virus as far as I know.

Don’t defer to me Bruce! Defer to people like Clancy. Immunology causes all of us to stumble. It is incredibly difficult to get a handle on so many cell types and messenger molecules. I’d like to investigate the T cell death findings because I think that is cardinal to the issue about booster shots. I’ve had two shots(one has to be able hit the library!) but I’ll never have booster shots.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2023 1:30 pm

I was told a story the other day about an Australian start up that needs to raise cash to keep the lights on.
The CEO was doing zoom calls from Europe because he’s been away for a month skiing.
Yep, that’s a CEO with their priorities in the correct order.

Please don’t say it is a gold and nickel miner wannabe.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 1:30 pm

They’re a little start-up that has lavish offices

Usually a give away. And you are dealing with people spending OPM.

m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 1:31 pm

Yeah righto Figures, nice Godwin invocation there.

Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 1:31 pm

However, says Foster: “Waking up in the middle of the night is, broadly speaking, the natural form of sleep. When people accept that, they get the best sleep they ever had.”

This is very good news. Unfortunately, we have been trained to see it as an aberration – hence the worry about it. When you accept it as a natural occurrence, I find I use it to sort out tasks for the next day & to ruminate on the current state of human affairs. However, during times of trouble (such as the Covid outrages of the past 3 years) waking during the night suddenly transforms into yet another matter for concern.

Zipster
Zipster
January 19, 2023 1:31 pm

I guess what Van Den Bossche was saying – is that the unvaccinated had less to worry about the severity of subsequent infections because their immune systems had not been subject to the assault of continued jabs stimulating the spike protein.

unfortunate enough to catch alpha, march 2020. delta march 22. and omicron around sep 22

each infection was mild and subsequent milder than the previous, but the after effects were not. the post covid from alpha was by far the worst.

why they still want to stick alpha spike protein into people is very very odd

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 19, 2023 1:31 pm

Monty loves the Holocaust. There isn’t a single thing about it that he wouldn’t replicate if given half a chance.

m0nty=fa is an enthusiastic fascist.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 1:33 pm

“We lost faith in the management and chairman,” Mr Forrest said in the interview. “They’re a little start-up that has lavish offices and are spending money like there’s no tomorrow, and the management team plus board are really inexperienced.”

Err, mate, you got into bed with the Byron Bay Jesus, and you are surprised that money is being sprayed around out of a fire hose?

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 1:33 pm

Please don’t say it is a gold and nickel miner wannabe.

Bit coin dealer, surely.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 19, 2023 1:33 pm

People who raise their own equity spend it on stuff that matters. Directors fees and rent payable to your SMSF.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:34 pm

Please don’t say it is a gold and nickel miner wannabe.

Dot, it was tech.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:34 pm

Tremor in Dark Force – While Davos Ongoing, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern Announces She’s Quitting – Before Getting Crushed in Election

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacina Ardern was only exceeded in the leftist hierarchy by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Ardern is to the Australian continent what Barack Obama was to North America and Angela Merkel was to Europe.

Stunningly, Jacinda Ardern has announced she will not seek reelection and is resigning from her position. Ironically on the timing, her political career was an outcome of Davos recruitment.

Ardern’s extreme COVID-19 dictates and fiats to include isolation, quarantine camps, severe regimented social lockdowns, forced and mandatory vaccinations and subsequent passports etc, made her the visible face of government COVID-19 extremes.

Keeping with her apt description as a smiley-faced fascist, she did not care about the backlash from her totalitarian dictates and fiats. The government owned the media, and the concerns of Kiwi’s about the government extremes were dispatched without regard.

Struggling to come to grips with the looming defeat she would likely face; an emotional Jacinda Ardern made her resignation announcement to the media. She exits on February 7th. WATCH:

Rabz
January 19, 2023 1:36 pm

a “celebrity accountant”

My money’s on the creature above being an accountant engaged by alleged celebrities. Seriously, who ever heard of someone achieving celebrity courtesy of their accountancy endeavours?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:37 pm

Dot, mining & gas explorers always seen to be able to raise cash in Australia.
Makes me laugh when you see an explorer trading at a cent that’s raised capital hand over fist for the last 10 years.

C.L.
C.L.
January 19, 2023 1:38 pm

In other words, none of them have ever had a real job.

The video, wow. She beat Clarke up, causing him to pull a hammy, then slow-dripped direct quotes from his phone to nail the coffin shut.

Hell hath no fury…

It’s not clear from the video what “Carlos the c” did.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2023 1:38 pm

IYKYK

Rabz
January 19, 2023 1:39 pm

Reginald Blandford, accountant to the stars, unleashes new range of designer cardigans inspired by his never ending quest for balance sheet perfection …

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 19, 2023 1:40 pm
Vicki
Vicki
January 19, 2023 1:41 pm

each infection was mild and subsequent milder than the previous, but the after effects were not. the post covid from alpha was by far the worst.

And that is what I would expect. The wretched thing has diminished with successive variants as many virologists said it would.

The initial Wuhan and the subsequent variant were nasty affairs which justified the concern that the medically challenged amongst us had. I recall being appalled, like so many others, with the twitter feeds coming out of China – but particularly those of medical staff in hospitals in Northern Italy. I suspect that many of those who died or became critically ill were also afflicted by very high viral loads (viz doctors, nurses & orderlies).

Furthermore, having seen the post viral syndrome my mother suffered after contracting Ross River Fever so many years ago, I have not been surprised that many have been unfortunate enough to suffer a similar post Covid affliction.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 19, 2023 1:41 pm

Er… no.

Republican hack cries about America winning a war. Delicious!

Monty feeling a stirring in its nether regions.
Is it his long lost genitalia, or the missing TV remote?

Are you comfortable with us sending “trainers” over to tool up conscripts to kill other conscripts?

What do you see peace in 2-6-12 more months as bringing apart from a lot more dead people?

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2023 1:42 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:42 pm
m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 1:47 pm

Are you comfortable with us sending “trainers” over to tool up conscripts to kill other conscripts?

What do you see peace in 2-6-12 more months as bringing apart from a lot more dead people?

It is pretty obvious at this stage that there will be no negotiated peace in the foreseeable future. One side has to win, the other must lose. In this scenario, helping our side win seems prudent.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2023 1:47 pm

OldOzzie,
so glad you put that up. I was going to but was distracted with other things. Talk about a sense of entitlement! The bloke was brilliant.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 1:48 pm

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out.

With the exception of Sweden, there wasn’t much that was enlightened about Western government responses to covid. Lockdowns, mask mandates, de facto compulsory vaccination programs with novel vaccines whose efficacy we now know was negligible and which in some instances have caused disability or death, patients dying in hospitals without family present or religious rites available. Far from being enlightened, was a nightmare with ongoing consequences for years for which those responsible are now seeking to be absolved without having to give an account for their decisions.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 19, 2023 1:53 pm

Except, in this case, the ‘vaccine’ didn’t prevent infection or transmission.

I have been fond of asking people to forget the last two years and remember how they understood vaccines worked before then – for all of the shots they had had. Let us call it the ‘mechanism’. Then ask them what they have learned since then that supersedes that mechanism.

Two years ago anyone with any understanding understood a vaccine triggered your body into making antibodies and these were ready to fight any infection should it occur. Obviously it is a bit more than that but I think that covers the essence.

With the Covid vaxx we were being asked to accept things that did not gel. How could it be a vaccine did not protect you who had been injected but other people instead, and that you required other people to be injected because the vaccine did not protect them in their own bodies but somehow protected me in mine.

Then we started hearing how, even though the vaccine did not stop you from being infected nor did it prevent you ‘shedding’ the virus, but that it made your symptoms less severe. Not the infection, but the symptoms. Symptoms are not separate from infection. Symptoms are the what the infection is doing to your body. Cause and effect. So unless the vaccine masked the symptoms (like cough medicines that anaesthetise the tissues of your throat and dry out your mucosa to reduce the production of rheum, but without addressing the actual cold itself and which wear off) then how is it a vaccine?

Ah, but ‘experts’ said…

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out.

This is true.
However it is off-topic.
The discussion was about people being sacked during the Covid-19 hysteria of 2020-2023.

Roger
Roger
January 19, 2023 1:55 pm

It’s not clear from the video what “Carlos the c” did.

Hang tight…all will surely be revealed in the next issue of Women’s Weekly.

It’ll make a welcome change from “And then Willi broke my necklace and threw me on the dog’s bowl.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 1:59 pm

Fascinationg – First Time ever!

OldOzzie says:
January 19, 2023 at 1:56 pm
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Exclusive: Hunter Biden Lived in Wilmington House with Classified Documents While Bagging Millions Linked to the Highest Levels of Chinese Intelligence

Kneel
Kneel
January 19, 2023 2:04 pm

“I think the general idea is that Big Oil should have shut in production in the 1970’s.
Davos pilgrims presumably would have arrived in sedan chairs – although it’s not immediately clear how the rest of the world would have survived”

The lesson to be learnt is this: if your company’s product is even approaching “required” status in society, you should immediately threaten to cease production due to “ESG risks” and only restart production once you have government immunity from any deleterious effects your product might inadvertently produce.
IMO, every fossil fuel company in the world should immediately threaten such action and demand government immunity from any consequential damages resulting from the use of their product – “Give us immunity, or no more product for anyone”. Governments around the world would fold faster than superman on laundry day.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
January 19, 2023 2:08 pm

IMO, every fossil fuel company in the world should immediately threaten such action and demand government immunity from any consequential damages resulting from the use of their product – “Give us immunity, or no more product for anyone”. Governments around the world would fold faster than superman on laundry day.

Actually, they would send the military in, seize your assets, arrest you and nationalise the company due to ‘national security ‘

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 19, 2023 2:10 pm

In this scenario, helping our side win seems prudent.

“our” side.

Its a slav fight.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4928ab3934296d99024ebb08cfe9f172-pjlq

There is exactly zero reason for us to be involved at all.
Let the EU handle crap in their own backyard.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 2:14 pm

It’s not clear from the video what “Carlos the c” did.

My guess is that it became known among the alleged men in the group (Dickwad Carl and the “celebrity accountant”) that Pup had crawled under the fence.
Carl, being a new age guy, shared the news with Mrs Carl 2.0 (the sister of the Woman Scorned).
Join the dots from there …

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2023 2:16 pm

Rogersays:

January 19, 2023 at 1:55 pm

It’s not clear from the video what “Carlos the c” did.

Hang tight…all will surely be revealed in the next issue of Women’s Weekly.

I think New Idea might sit this one out.
They did a feature two days ago on Carl and Pup being future brothers-in-law.
Didn’t age well.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 19, 2023 2:18 pm

Shocking headlines of the 21st century.

Monty likes lard
Water wet- fire burn.

Revealed: more than 90% of rainforest carbon offsets by biggest provider are worthless, analysis shows

The research into Verra, the world’s leading carbon standard for the rapidly growing $2bn (£1.6bn) voluntary offsets market, has found that, based on analysis of a significant percentage of the projects, more than 90% of their rainforest offset credits – among the most commonly used by companies – are likely to be “phantom credits” and do not represent genuine carbon reductions.

The analysis raises questions over the credits bought by a number of internationally renowned companies – some of them have labelled their products “carbon neutral”, or have told their consumers they can fly, buy new clothes or eat certain foods without making the climate crisis worse.

Verra, which is based in Washington DC, operates a number of leading environmental standards for climate action and sustainable development, including its voluntary carbon standard (VCS) that has issued more than 1bn carbon credits. It approves three-quarters of all voluntary offsets. Its rainforest protection programme makes up 40% of the credits it approves and was launched before the Paris agreement with the aim of generating revenue for protecting ecosystems.

The investigation found that:

Only a handful of Verra’s rainforest projects showed evidence of deforestation reductions, according to two studies, with further analysis indicating that 94% of the credits had no benefit to the climate.
The threat to forests had been overstated by about 400% on average for Verra projects, according to analysis of a 2022 University of Cambridge study.
Gucci, Salesforce, BHP, Shell, easyJet, Leon and the band Pearl Jam were among dozens of companies and organisations that have bought rainforest offsets approved by Verra for environmental claims.

1 billion credits
$10 -$50 a tone credited.
Someone is farting through silk.

Figures
Figures
January 19, 2023 2:19 pm

Yeah righto Figures, nice Godwin invocation there.

From the guy who says everybody who disagrees with him can be punched for being a Nazi.

Your words betrayed you Monty. Unless someone hacked your account you clearly admitted you love everything about what Hitler did and why he did it.

m0nty
m0nty
January 19, 2023 2:22 pm

Then we started hearing how, even though the vaccine did not stop you from being infected nor did it prevent you ‘shedding’ the virus, but that it made your symptoms less severe. Not the infection, but the symptoms. Symptoms are not separate from infection. Symptoms are the what the infection is doing to your body. Cause and effect. So unless the vaccine masked the symptoms (like cough medicines that anaesthetise the tissues of your throat and dry out your mucosa to reduce the production of rheum, but without addressing the actual cold itself and which wear off) then how is it a vaccine?

Less people died. Is that simple enough for you, ML?

bespoke
bespoke
January 19, 2023 2:24 pm

m0ntysays:
January 19, 2023 at 10:43 am

Being a part of an enlightened society means, among many other things, getting vaccinated against dangerous communicable diseases as part of the society-wide effort to stamp them out. This is basic stuff, primary school civics. If you are too dumb and/or stubborn to participate then see ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.

To many disaster moves or were educated in China?

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
January 19, 2023 2:30 pm

Hey guys. Do not feed to troll, or imbecile.
If you completely ignore their comments, act as if they don’t exist, they eventually get bored due to lack of attention and leave.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 19, 2023 2:32 pm

Less people died. Is that simple enough for you, ML?

Whats described is a therapy, not a vaccination then.

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2023 2:32 pm

Less people died. Is that simple enough for you, ML?

You are a T.W.A. T Fat T.W.A.T. ……..Monty pox Virus. It was quite obvious that the Jabs do not work.. BTW I hope that you have had all the Jabs and Boosterisers that you need. To inflate you?

Also, that post that I saw the other day with you on the Golf Course just shows what a Fat T.W.A.T. you really are. No wonder you have trouble with your wrist action. You are over doing it in the bedroom.

Johnny Rotten
January 19, 2023 2:35 pm

Plasmamortarsays:
January 19, 2023 at 2:30 pm
Hey guys. Do not feed to troll, or imbecile.
If you completely ignore their comments, act as if they don’t exist, they eventually get bored due to lack of attention and leave.

I disagree. It is more fun to have a go back at them as their responses are usually piss weak.

P
P
January 19, 2023 2:36 pm

Catholic schools boss, former PM among Senate possibilities
19 January 2023

Former Victorian Liberal president Michael Kroger has called for the return of Tony Abbott to Parliament through the New South Wales Senate vacancy, while Catholic Schools NSW chief Dallas McInerney is also being touted for the job. Source: The Australian.

Other possible candidates include former NSW transport minister Andrew Constance, former Wentworth MP Dave Sharma and one-time Liberal Warringah candidate Jane Buncle. Former NSW Liberal senator and minister Concetta Fierravanti-Wells was pushed down the Senate ticket by the Right faction in favour of Senator Molan and lost her Senate spot last year.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 19, 2023 2:37 pm

January 18, 2023

Canada’s Euthanasia Law is a Bridge Too Far

Whatever happened to medical ethics in Justin Trudeau’s Canada?

An article from December 7th in Genocide News reported that “[t]he passage of Bill C-7 in Canada has greatly expanded the country’s Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD) law, which was passed in 2021 at the height of the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “pandemic.” “It used to be that just terminally ill adults qualified to legally take their own lives with the help of another, but now poor people and even children are moving into the crosshairs of Canada’s budding euthanasia industry.

The UK Daily Mail in two companion articles reports that the motivation for expanding eligibility for MAiD appears to be at least partially a result of the financial policies and rising costs driving the failure of Canada’s “free” healthcare system. Wait times for critical care procedures often take over six months and sometimes several years due to a shortage of doctors caused by MAiD’s mandated price controls. And when everyone gets free medical care, resources are abused so long wait times and inadequate care must follow. As a result, the number of people in pain and frustrated by the long delays in getting treatment is rising leading many patients to give up and opt for suicide instead.

In 2021, only 486 people died using California’s assisted suicide program, but that same year in Canada, 10,064 died used MAID to die that year. MAID has now grown so popular that Canada has both anti-suicide hotlines to try and stop people killing themselves, as well as pro-suicide hotlines for people wanting to end their lives.

MAID has fallen into further scrutiny over claims that people are now seeking assisted suicide due to poverty and homelessness or mental anguish, as opposed to the traditional method of the terminally-ill seeking a painless death.

Also reported is the alarming eagerness of some doctors to perform this deadly service. “Dying With Dignity Canada associates Ellen Wiebe… and Stefanie Green …reportedly euthanized more than 700 people between them and bragged about it in a video. Therefore, forget thinking that late term and post-birth abortions were the last remaining steps downward into the moral sewer.

It is now clear that with God out of the way, human life has little value to most leftists so it may not have been a coincidence that I first learned of Canada’s euthanasia law just prior to America’s annual observance of National Sanctity of Human Life Day. This year it occurs on Sunday January 22.

What is happening in Canada should be a warning of what may happen in the United States.

History has proven over and over that once a government run healthcare plan like Bernie Sanders’ proposed “Medicare for All” is implemented, it will be harder to end than a bad timeshare contract.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 19, 2023 2:41 pm

The world.

MAFS is the bottom of the barrel of exploitation TV, utter unredeemable garbage that no-one will ever surpass for crass gimmickry.

Creatives: Milf Manor
https://youtu.be/74_4XrwS94c
World: Thats sounds awful
Creatives: Oh its worse than that.
https://youtu.be/l88M7qMkyjA

Thats all.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 19, 2023 2:41 pm

NZ Labor Government heading toward election brick wall. Jacinda instinctively throws herself from the speeding vehicle and heroically saves herself.
Stands up, dusts herself off and heads off in toward the UN-Davos horn call.

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