Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023


The Strawberry Thieves pattern, William Morris, 1883


2,347 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023”

  1. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I was able to talk with some of the seminarians about their impressions. It goes without saying that they drew a very different conclusion from the one drawn by good old Oriolt and that they did not consider his trip a nonsense, rather the opposite.

    The source of the gossip, Oriolt

  2. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    According to the Cambridge Dictionary, proselytizing means “to try to persuade someone to change their religious or political beliefs or way of living to your own.”

    Nothing controversial here, Catholics have never stood on street corners and harangued people.
    Catholic evangelisation has always been by example.

  3. Dot Avatar

    Don’t shoot the messenger.

    Mon 11 Mar 2019

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/postcolonial-blog/2019/mar/11/a-big-jump-people-might-have-lived-in-australia-twice-as-long-as-we-thought

    (I had school English assignment work once in HS where they quoted 170,000 years.)

    The result of 11 years of research suggests that human habitation could stretch to 120,000 years

  4. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Wodger:

    Not sure there’d be much political advantage for them in pursuing such a contentious issue when it would have just killed Albanese’s premiership.

    Not political – ideological. Every step forward that isn’t matched with a step back is the ratchet effect in motion.
    Even if each step forward is matched by half a step back, the momentum remains with implementing the goal of socialism.
    This is how we are now in this position from the days of Menzies.
    Gradualism.
    From “The Forgotten People” to gaoling fathers who object to the sexual mutilation of their children.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Rosie, I’d agree with you except he proselytizes green propaganda like a druid.
    Which neither Benedict nor Pell did, for which I am thankful to them.

  6. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Dotsays:
    January 19, 2023 at 8:13 pm
    Aborigines, maybe but there is evidence of human habitation of up to 170,000 years.

    There was a widely accepted theory of at least three waves of human settlement prior to 1788.

    Now that’s not popular because it interferes with the “Always was, is and will be” narrative.

    The 3 waves idea is not widely accepted and contradicted by virtually every genetic study done to date. Nor am I convinced that geneticists from countries like Denmark give a hoot about the always will be narrative.

    If there were 3 different migrations I’d expect to see that reflected in haplotype distribution and mitochondrial DNA.

    As for Manning Clark, too old, too much new data.

  7. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “(I had school English assignment work once in HS where they quoted 170,000 years.)”

    Clearly a printing error.

  8. Dot Avatar

    If there were 3 different migrations I’d expect to see that reflected in haplotype distribution and mitochondrial DNA.

    What if they had the same ancestors though?

  9. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Dotsays:
    January 19, 2023 at 8:45 pm
    Don’t shoot the messenger.

    Too late; there’s a .357 hollow point on its way now. Only the best for you..

    From the article:

    “In summary, although no single line of evidence precludes natural fire, taken
    collectively the case for exclusion is strong. Humans are obviously capable of these
    processes, of carrying fuel to a cliffed shoreline and repetitive burning at the same
    place,” the article concludes

    Sounds like the Pell Victoristan SC majority Judgment.

  10. Miss Anthropist Avatar
    Miss Anthropist

    Anyone that sez we shouldn’t have skin in the game with the Ukes and the Russkis is a total dance.
    If one has a grasp of History ont is well aware it isn’t Slav on Slav.
    Russia under Poostain is trying for another Russian Empire. That’s what you get for putting a mid level beaurocat anywhere near the leavers of power.
    The Moscow Mindset is as baleful as the Beijing Mindset.
    Anyway I am busy following the progress of the three day Special Military Operation when I have time to spare.
    All the best. Particularly the Pure Bloods.

  11. Dot Avatar

    Clearly a printing error.

    No. They were balls deep. 170,000 years. Repeated many, many times.

  12. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    If there were 3 different migrations I’d expect to see that reflected in haplotype distribution and mitochondrial DNA.

    We’ve had this conversation about the mingling of DNA. You were wrong; but let’s do it again.

  13. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    “maybe but there is evidence of human habitation of up to 170,000 years.”

    Yes, in Africa.

    Well, if that’s so, then there must be evidence of human habitation in the Eurasian Landmass even earlier.

  14. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Gemma Tognini on Sky tonight explained that Prince Harry will need to come to his senses and apologise first to his father, King Charles, and then the rest of the family if he wants to be accepted back.

    This is the parable of the Prodigal Son in real time. Will Harry do it? Not yet, he hasn’t lost everything and been reduced to a swineherd at present but his time is coming.

  15. Dot Avatar

    Too late; there’s a .357 hollow point on its way now. Only the best for you..

    Thank you sir, 10 mm auto JHP +P+ is what I really wanted.

  16. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    What if they had the same ancestors though?

    Or they just didn’t eat each other but interbred.

  17. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    While silly people are obsessing over Harry Hewitt, death rates have skyrocketed in the UK, there’s a bloody but pointless war in Ukraine, and Libraries and other public spaces have been designated Heat Hubs so the elderly can avoid freezing to death.

  18. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Nothing controversial here, Catholics have never stood on street corners and harangued people.

    That’s a straw man argument, rosie.

    Catholic evangelisation has always been by example.

    Multiple preaching and missionary orders, from the Dominicans & Franciscans in the medieval period to modern times, suggest otherwise.

    ‘How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent?’ Romans 10:14-15.

    Christianity isn’t a purely moral religion that is caught, as it were, by observation and repetition (that would be close to the heresy of Pelagianism). There is a cognitive element that precedes and informs the moral action of the will. Head and heart must both be converted and renewed (in NT language “born again” or regenerated) by the Spirit acting through the word for a person to be a true believer and to produce fruit.

    This is not Protestantism; it is “mere Christianity” that can also be found in Catholic teaching.

  19. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    By the way, Chris Kenny is still in the wrong time slot and on the wrong network. He belongs on their ABC.

  20. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    By the way, Chris Kenny is still in the wrong time slot and on the wrong network. He belongs on their ABC.

    Apart from being deranged about the bloody voice he’s ok; or have I missed some other woke manifestation from him?

  21. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Apart from being deranged about the bloody voice he’s ok; or have I missed some other woke manifestation from him?”

    No, he’s good on everything apart from the Voice and canines.

  22. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Not political – ideological.

    Quick response, Bob, as it’s passed my bed time 😀

    Australians at heart are not ideologically inclined (although we’re moving in that direction thankls to the left’s grasp of education).

    Further, constitutional niceties aside, they’d interpret such action by the states, or the federal parliament, as a betrayal.

  23. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    their rock finger paintings have been around for 50000 years

    I gotta get me some of that paint. Would be good for fences.

  24. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Davos is really an insidious place, group and philosophy. Everyone I mentioned it to in the last two weeks had no idea who or what they are. Only a small number of us conservatives around the world are aware but we have no power to stop what the Davoisie have in store for the world.

    If there was no Sky News even fewer people would know anything about the Davos crowd so I will continue to subscribe and watch the programs on it which are reporting the facts.

  25. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    There are going to be specialist psychological practices who do nothing but treat range anxiety.

    Staffed by ChatGP, because why pay a human for the same thing.

    Probably quite effective at drafting legislation too come to think of it.

  26. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    Miss Anthropistsays:
    January 19, 2023 at 8:55 pm

    So glad to see you back here, Miss A. I was getting a tad worried about you.

  27. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    cohenite says:
    January 19, 2023 at 9:04 pm
    By the way, Chris Kenny is still in the wrong time slot and on the wrong network. He belongs on their ABC.

    Apart from being deranged about the bloody voice he’s ok; or have I missed some other woke manifestation from him?

    That’s enough as far as I am concerned. If he gets his way we will have huge problems for the foreseeable future.

  28. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    On Jacinda.
    I watched a doco recently on the White Island disaster.
    A couple of private helo tour operators launched as soon as they could, got out there, initially just to support the search and rescue operation. In the midst of it all they found out that the rescue helicopters had been ordered to stand down, because safety. So these blokes became the only search and rescue effort and picked a few injured off the island. Half way back they were told to drop the injured at the airport. To their credit, the private pilots basically said, “F*ck that! We’ve had to do it all on our own so far. We’ll take them straight to the hospital.”
    Next they cut to Jacinda’s presser. Knowing about the private rescue effort, she just blurts out “There was no-one left alive after the initial evacuation and further search and rescue operations were too high risk.”
    Err, what?
    There is no way she could have known that. It was pure spin to cover for the decision to stand down the rescue helos.
    But not one j’ism challenged such an obvious lie.
    It then occured to me that the attempted diversion to the airport had zero to do with patient welfare and was designed to control unsavoury pictures of the injured.

  29. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Top Ender says:
    January 19, 2023 at 9:06 pm
    their rock finger paintings have been around for 50000 years

    I gotta get me some of that paint. Would be good for fences.

    I commented on this some time ago, why does ochre paint remain in place while the elements erode rocks?

  30. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “But not one j’ism challenged such an obvious lie.”

    Unsurprising. The NZ media has operated as a tool of Ardern’s government. Was this the Netflix documentary?

  31. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Jacinda’s future, would go well as UN general secretary. In particular because it would enrage Rudd to the point of stroke.

  32. Dot Avatar

    I failed in academia | The unexplored steps to academic failure!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAOs-frRfa4

    “Bonnacon
    Bonnacon
    2 weeks ago
    I’ve been in Academia for 35 years (after grad school) and am 55. About to get myself assessed for ADHD. Whatever the outcome of that, I’m strongly of the opinion that academia = lots of mostly undiagnosed neurodivergent people trying to pass as neurotypical in a system designed by, and for, performative narcissists. How’s that for a definition of hell? Not blaming the ND Nation at all, btw. That’s all about masking and surviving … or not. You’re heroes. And maybe I’m one too. “

  33. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    I watched a doco recently on the White Island disaster.

    Sancho – On that one I can’t see how anyone could’ve done that much better. I watch Geonet and the White Island webcams regularly. The volcano is quite dangerous. Even Geonet haven’t dared return to repair the crater rim webcam and seismometer station after that short eruption – which appeared out of nowhere. Sometimes shit happens.

  34. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Cassie of Sydneysays:

    January 19, 2023 at 9:20 pm

    “But not one j’ism challenged such an obvious lie.”

    Unsurprising. The NZ media has operated as a tool of Ardern’s government. Was this the Netflix documentary?

    Yes.
    It just leapt out at me.
    “How could she possibly know that?”
    That is what I meant by lying.
    Maybe everyone left there had been killed in the initial explosion.
    But there is no way anyone could say that with any certainty.
    Just an arse-covering guess.
    And, like Gillard, the tame press were never going to ask the obvious.

  35. m0nty Avatar

    If the vaccine does not eliminate transmission it just slows the time of spread, say from 30 days to 35 days. If it lowers the severity of symptoms for at risk groups that may be a good reason for those groups to take the vax despite the problems with mRNA vaccines but that should be entirely up to them as whether or not we undertake a treatment is entirely voluntary.

    None of these purported benefits though actually justify mandatory vaccination with an experimental vaccine, firstly, because the vaccinated are still vectors of transmission, secondly, because the likelihood that your symptoms are less severe is a private benefit and doesn’t even raise free rider issues, and thirdly, and more broadly, because the vaccines were experimental.

    *sigh*

    For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time. No one is held down screaming while they are injected against their will. Also, slowing down the rate of transmission is itself a public good, as it allowed the health system to keep pace with cases and not explode until such time that the vax rollout was finished.

    What rick is whinging about incessantly is that he was denied the opportunity to endanger other people who, at the time, had not been vaxxed due to a tardy rollout (thanks Morrison) even though they were willing. Nothing more. He has proven himself to be a selfish dickhead through his actions in a time of need, and deserves to be shunned by society.

  36. Dot Avatar

    the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time.

    Please stop lying.

  37. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Yes.
    It just leapt out at me.”

    Thanks SP, it’s on my list.

  38. Dot Avatar

    had not been vaxxed due to a tardy rollout (thanks Morrison)

    You refuse to address the fatuous reasons why Novavax was held up.

  39. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time. No one is held down screaming while they are injected against their will.

    ..
    Is wearing car seatbelts not mandatory because at no point will anyone ever hold you down and belt you into your seat?
    I think you need to rethink your definition of mandatory.

  40. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Please stop lying.”

    He can’t. He’s a serial liar.

  41. Figures Avatar
    Figures

    No one is held down screaming while they are injected against their will.

    So if the woman doesn’t scream it can’t be rape.

    Holocaust, baby murdering and now rape.

    You love it all don’t you?

  42. m0nty Avatar

    Is wearing car seatbelts not mandatory because at no point will anyone ever hold you down and belt you into your seat?

    You don’t get fined or gaoled for not getting vaxxed. Stupid analogy. Just about all COVID analogies are not worth using, tbh.

  43. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    You don’t get fined or gaoled for not getting vaxxed.

    ..
    There were awful penalties for many people for being unvaccinated.
    Including not being allowed to travel and losing work.
    Just because you want to ignore what was done in the name of getting these bloody useless vaccines into every possible arm doesn’t mean those it was done to will forget.

  44. Dot Avatar

    In NSW the State could make you unemployable and put you under terms equivalent to house arrest or parole and Parliament wasn’t even sitting to scrutinise the regulation the Health Minister made.

    Undemocratic, unconstitutional tyranny.

  45. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    A slow morning just walking around, then I went back to the apartment to get my washing out of the machine, there was an old man walking with two sticks ahead of me so I walked out on the road to get by him, though to be honest on side streets using the footpath seems optional anyhow, five minutes or so inside the apartment then I put in the directions for the restaurant I plan to pranzo at on my phone, crossed the piazza then waited for the three trucks marked Polizia Cavalli to pass me, they live in what I am guessing used to be the grounds of the former Franciscan monastery. I crossed the road then, because mixing it with trucks seemed foolish to a footpath and caught up with the old man on sticks again, no chance of ducking around him this time, not unless I wanted to climb over cars parked bumper to bumper but he turned into the doorway of a Community of St Giles home and saved me marching on the spot for a while, I wasn’t in a hurry, it was just a bit awkward. This part of Trastevere isn’t as busy as on the other side of Viale Trastevere, but still a lot to look at, another basilica, this one dedicated to St Celicia, a church dedicated to Our Lady of the Garden, a 17th century hospitale that for €6 I can visit, I might do that after lunch, if I can work out how exactly to get inside, as the gates are locked, it claims it is open for visitors every day so in theory possible.
    Today the sun is shining and Rome at it’s glorious best.

  46. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Bruce of Newcastlesays:

    January 19, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    I watched a doco recently on the White Island disaster.

    Sancho – On that one I can’t see how anyone could’ve done that much better. 

    That wasn’t really the point I was making. If I had been running SAR operations I would probably pulled stumps as well. Even watching the doco I remarked to Mrs P, “They must have been shit-scared that the engines might quit in that environment.” We all know how much turbine engines love the gases spewed out by volcanoes.
    The problem was the renegade private retreival operation presented a political and PR problem, not an operational problem.
    A true leader would have simply acknowledged the bravery of the voluntary actions of the private operators but said it was too high risk to direct people into harm’s way.
    A tough, but reasonable call.
    It was the arse-covering which annoyed me, not the decision to stand down.

  47. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Pity Jacinda is just resigning instead of her reign being ended by a one way helicopter ride.

  48. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0nty=fa

    For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time. No one is held down screaming while they are injected against their will.

    It’s pretty clear that you spent most of the past two years in your basement, with your head inserted in your rectum. It’s also clear that you have ignored the many reports of those who had no choice but to take the pox, or lose their jobs and probably their homes. Not everyone is able to work in a fantasy world, nor did everyone marry into the upper middle class.

  49. m0nty Avatar

    There were awful penalties for many people for being unvaccinated.
    Including not being allowed to travel and losing work.

    Being around other people involves certain societal responsibilities. If you reject those, society rejects you. Simples.

  50. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Being around other people involves certain societal responsibilities. If you reject those, society rejects you. Simples.

    ..
    Now you are changing your argument from “it wasn’t mandatory” to “you shouldn’t have a problem with it being mandatory”.
    Which argument are you settling on before we continue?

  51. m0nty Avatar

    Arky, I think you are hung up on an incorrect definition of mandatory. No, the government did not have a mandate to force you to get jabbed. Yes, the government (or some instrumentality of society) did decide in some areas of work and travel to exclude those who showed by their inaction that they did not want to participate in society. The latter does not equate to the former.

    You were perfectly free to reject society if you wanted to live a certain solipsistic way. You were merely excluded from those parts of society in which people could be endangered by your inaction. This does not mean that the jab was mandatory.

  52. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    You choose the wrong argument.
    Of course it was mandatory, and there were penalties.
    Wearing a bike helmet. Mandatory. Penalty: $40.
    Getting a vaccine. Mandatory. Penslty: loss of income, loss of travel privileges.

  53. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    In California at the height of the stupidity, they sure weren’t shy about calling them mandates.
    Here’s what the US equal opportunity commission called it when they did the hard work of making sure employers could ditch dissenters:

    In its most recent guidance, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) made clear that an employer can (1) mandate that employees take vaccines and (2) keep unvaccinated employees out of the workplace

    ..
    https://www.meyersnave.com/event/mandatory-vs-voluntary-covid-19-vaccination-policies-what-california-employers-need-to-know-2/

  54. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    No, the government did not have a mandate

    ..
    That speaks to the authority, moral or legal of a body to act or legislate, not to whether or not it was mandatory to take the vaccine.
    We have established it was. People who did not want to, and would never have gotten vaccinated, did so because it was mandated that they do in order to continue in employment or to travel to see sick relatives etc. many were directly given ultimatums: get vaccinated or get fired. MANDATORY.

  55. dover0beach Avatar

    *sigh*

    For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time. No one is held down screaming while they are injected against their will.

    Of course it was mandatory. People in work were unable to continue working in Victoria past Oct 15 2021 without having had the first shot and 2-3 weeks later without the second.

    Also, slowing down the rate of transmission is itself a public good, as it allowed the health system to keep pace with cases and not explode until such time that the vax rollout was finished.

    How could you argue this when vaccine coverage was already over 80% when the mandate came into effect? People can isolate when infected. The vast vast majority of people are never hospitalised so the overwhelming of the hospital system in late 2021 was implausible given the above.

    What rick is whinging about incessantly is that he was denied the opportunity to endanger other people who, at the time, had not been vaxxed due to a tardy rollout (thanks Morrison) even though they were willing. Nothing more.

    How was rickw endangering other people who are themselves vaccinated? What tardy rollout, as I said above, the mandate came into effect when all at risk age groups had already been double vaccinated and hand been so for over a month.

  56. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    cilantro/coriander tastes soapy

    love the taste myself but I know people who just about dry retch at the the though

    I would be one of them, hate the stuff with a passion.
    Strange actually bc I like parsley.

  57. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    cohenitesays:
    January 19, 2023 at 8:57 pm
    If there were 3 different migrations I’d expect to see that reflected in haplotype distribution and mitochondrial DNA.

    We’ve had this conversation about the mingling of DNA. You were wrong; but let’s do it again.

    The problem is many genetic studies point to a 50,000 year origin. Population displacement typically involves killing the men and taking the women, which is why genetic signatures can be found for the original hunter gatherers of Europe. That is also true for the long extinct Neandertals and Denisovans. The 4,000 language\technology event is intriguing but only that and a recent study noted that but curiously found only the slightest genetic trace. If there was a complete displacement at 4,000 years we could reasonably expect to find what has been found throughout Europe, mass graves of people obviously violently killed. Y chromosome studies point to the Sahul and PNG populations becoming distinct at circa 50,000 years. I also find it very hard to believe that negritos could have migrated from the Philippines to Australia.

  58. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Regarding the teals, supporting a legislated voice, if it’s rejected at referendum. Fine, the voice will be funded by a tax on ash blonde hairdo’s, palliates exercise classes, EV’s, SUV’s that never leave the metro area, and water front mansions in capital cities. Kitteh’s naturally, will be exempt.

  59. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Pity Jacinda is just resigning instead of her reign being ended by a one way helicopter ride.

    Cheer up.
    Jacinda has a long, enjoyable, and lucrative career ahead of her – on the international public teat.

    UN Sec Gen material if ever there was…

  60. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    Someone earlier* made a fine point about mass Covid vaccination as a public health strategy: transferring risk from those in God’s Waiting Room to the young.

    But unsuccessfully.

    * 3G prevents me reaching back.

  61. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    If you reject those, society rejects you. Simples.

    you should speak your mind openly freely in public and private
    instead of wanking yourself stupid here

    but you wont

    mUnty, your’e nothing but a shit-talker

  62. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Being around other people involves certain societal responsibilities. If you reject those, society rejects you. Simples.

    What wanker said that?
    A quick opinion please;

    Shoppers could mingle, shake hands & walk around a supermarket all day, queue at the same register, buy identical grocery items, but if among the bottles of worcestershire sauce, sunflower oil, balsamic vinegar etc, there happened to be a bottle of Angostura Bitters, the person who was unvaccinated had to put it back on the shelf & go home without it.

    … because “social responsibilities”.
    Only people who were vaccinated could pop a bottle of bitters into their trolley.
    Others deserved to have their right to buy Angostura Bitters revoked.

    I’ll check back periodically to see this one explained.

  63. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Arky says:
    January 19, 2023 at 4:20 pm
    Overall, though, the vaccines did a lot more good than they did harm.
    ..
    This pronouncement won’t age well.
    The vaccines moved risk from the elderly to the young.
    That’s all they did.

    And all the lockdowns did was move the risk from the young to the old.
    The problem being the young were not at risk.

  64. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I’ll check back periodically to see this one explained.

    you see, mUnty is so in-the-know and righteous and just … he’s deffo gonna stand in the isles at IGA and check your vaxx-pass before you can purchase some HP.

    what a posturing toss-pot he is.

  65. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I also find it very hard to believe that negritos could have migrated from the Philippines to Australia.

    Because of their short legs?

    Have you read the 47000 year study? The lead author was professor Chris Turney, then professor of climate change at the Uni of NSW. Imagine his disappointment.

    The 3 wave theory was generated by Tindall and Birdsell. Consequent studies like Ingman and Gyllensten’s suggested that the mitochondrial genetic diversity of Aborigines was high, similar to that found in Asia. They supported the notion of multiple waves of migration. Getting here was easy. Apart from the Wallace line, which protected the Mega Fauna from other animals, it was one long walk. With the various distinct groups outside of Sahul in fact the outlier is just one group getting here.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Because of their short legs?

    I don’t pretend to have a scientific background, but how do you explain the photographic evidence?

  67. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    cohenitesays:
    January 19, 2023 at 10:45 pm
    I also find it very hard to believe that negritos could have migrated from the Philippines to Australia.

    Because of their short legs?

    Have you read the 47000 year study? The lead author was professor Chris Turney, then professor of climate change at the Uni of NSW. Imagine his disappointment.

    The 3 wave theory was generated by Tindall and Birdsell. Consequent studies like Ingman and Gyllensten’s suggested that the mitochondrial genetic diversity of Aborigines was high, similar to that found in Asia. They supported the notion of multiple waves of migration. Getting here was easy. Apart from the Wallace line, which protected the Mega Fauna from other animals, it was one long walk. With the various distinct groups outside of Sahul in fact the outlier is just one group getting here.

    Difficult because they would have to battle through other tribes and being so short would have been easy prey. The highest genetic diversity is in Africa. So what? That some authors support the multiple migration while others don’t is not an argument.

    If there was a complete displacement why were the aborigines regarded as the most primitive of peoples? A more recent displacement would have resulted in a more developed culture. Even in the Americas with a founding population of ~12,000 years ago there were much more advanced civilizations. How did the subsequent populations completely displace the former? How many canoes did they have to bring enough people to do that? By 4,000 years ago agriculture was very well established yet not here. Are you arguing that the wave left behind all their technology and agriculture?

  68. Zipster Avatar

    who showed by their inaction that they did not want to participate in society.

    compelled action is apparently the cornerstone of a free society. who knew?!?!?!

  69. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Greg Sheridan on the “Dreadful Prime Ministership” of Jacinda Ardern

    She had one genuine achievement. She reacted with dignity and moral seriousness to the appalling Christchurch terrorist massacre.

    There was nothing dignified or moral about her appalling reaction to the Christchurch massacre.
    Her first comments were as stupid & weird as anything Kamala Harris has ever said.

    She rushed to hug anything clad in drapes, forced female cops to wrap their head in bandages or something when on duty, & went knee-jerk for NZ’s law abiding hunters & gun owners.

    Her performance was disgraceful, appalling, unstatesmanlike & cringeworthy.

  70. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    m0nty says:
    January 19, 2023 at 9:31 pm
    For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time

    Oh no, is this missive from the NSW Government directly contradicting Mutley?

    16 December 2021
    Mandatory vaccination requirements will be extended to all primary care and other private sector health service providers across NSW, with these workers required to have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine by 31 January 2022.

    These changes are consistent with requirements in other states and territories, including Victoria, Queensland, and Western Australia.

    NSW Health earlier this year introduced mandatory vaccination for its healthcare workers to help protect patients, visitors, other health staff and the wider community.

    Yes, I do believe the lying lier has been found to lie. Again.

    FFS Dover, can’t you give this idiot a month’s break from the Cat?

  71. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    Monty.
    This logic doesn’t fly: “I agree with it being mandated so it isn’t really a mandate”.
    Or:
    “It isn’t mandatory to wear a bike helmet, you can just walk instead”.
    “Seatbelts aren’t mandatory, no one is going to hold you down and strap you in”.
    The vaccines were in all practicality to a large proportion of the population, mandatory. They couldn’t avoid getting them without severe penalty. And if they had insisted on turning up unvaccinated after being dismissed, the full force of the law including incarceration would have applied via trespass laws etc.
    It is left to you to justify the mandate. You can’t deny it was indeed a mandate.

  72. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    All going off in south Qld lately:

    A man has been shot dead by police in a town just below the Queensland border after he pointed a firearm at officers.

    Police allege the 48-year-old man attended Tenterfield Police Station about 5.45pm and pointed the firearms at officers from New England Police District before he was shot.

    Oz

  73. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    How many canoes did they have to bring enough people to do that?

    oh yeah, how do you know they had canoes?

    … maybe they had oil injected outboards

  74. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    The vaccines were in all practicality to a large proportion of the population, mandatory. They couldn’t avoid getting them without severe penalty. And if they had insisted on turning up unvaccinated after being dismissed, the full force of the law including incarceration would have applied

    A pooncey small bar in Toowoomba did not check the vaccination status of people who came in.
    Everybody who entered the bar knew they may be mixing with unvaccinated.

    Police SWAT-raided the homes of the bar’s owners, after midnight, and arrested them.

    This is more than the police went to for the Train brothers, for whom the cops waited for hours outside, until the Trains got bored & came out.

  75. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    How America surrendered to marijuana: KAYLA BRANTLEY reveals how pot became ubiquitous across the US because it rakes in billions in tax dollars despite concerns about impact on health

    Within a decade, the U.S. went from cracking down on marijuana use to becoming a $47 billion industry.

    But the road to having dispensaries on every corner, the smell of weed smoke freely in the air and criminal records expunged didn’t happen overnight.

    It took a couple of states leading the charge – Colorado and Washington in 2012 – to then ripple into near nation-wide legalization.

    There are now 21 states where cannabis has been legalized for recreational use. Every corner of New York City, for example, is an assault on the nostrils with people lighting up a joint as early as before or just after their morning commute.

    However, not everyone is on board with the marijuana revolution. Doctors and advocates have highlighted concerns about excessive use of cannabis in high risk groups, especially the youth.

    DailyMail.com has examined when exactly America’s war on drugs changed, the challenges the industry faces and the future of the billion-dollar business.

    Certainly was the case when we were there a few months ago. Yet cigarette smoking is not allowed in many venues that say yes to marijuana.

    Daily Mail

  76. Dot Avatar

    Police SWAT-raided the homes of the bar’s owners, after midnight, and arrested them.

    But they weren’t held down or anything like that…

  77. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Blandito M0ntellini pretends the later spiteful actions of others were the original intentions of the hesitant. All remaining blather built on that falsehood can be safely ignored.

  78. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    with the whole Davos thang going on and the WEF wankery

    and with this stupid forum chock-a-block with tossers and for the most part, boring as bat-shit

    I decided to watch Kingsman: The Secret Service again.

    glad I did too.

    a joy from the beginning to end

  79. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I might watch ‘Nobody’ now … just because it resonates

  80. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    I put up a sign saying “70 person limit”
    This was based on the size of the room (in sq metres)

    Nobody every surveyed or measured this room, except me.
    Police did not survey or measure this room.

    Bored police did a head count a few days later, coz “rules”
    They counted 69 people. They weren’t bored anymore.
    Now electrified & as alert as hunting dogs, the two officers counted the people three times, just as you’d count a drover’s mob.
    69 people.

    After that, Three times each day, for weeks, Two police officers attended the premises to count how many public were inside this room. They did the same to every liquor licence in town.
    They never counted staff.

    If there were 70 people in the room + 5 staff, no problem.
    If there were 70 people in the room + 2 police officers, no problem.
    If they’d ever counted 71 people + 1 staff, I would have been fined near Ten Thousand Dollars.

    Please explain the “social responsibility” aspect of me being fit to be “rejected by society” for having 72 people (71 public + 1 staff) but not for having 75 (69 public + 6 staff).

    After that, please explain the rationale for me being “rejected by society” for there being 71 members of the public in the room, but it being okay if two of the 71 are police officers.

    After that, explain the above again, this time explaining why case (A) is hygienic, but case (B) means I should be “rejected by society”

    I’m keen to know, coz my livelihood & life’s work hung on this string for months.
    As did the jobs of several people.

    After all of that, tell me how big the room actually was, coz nobody ever bothered to measure it.

    Wanker.

  81. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    I decided to watch Kingsman: The Secret Service again.
    glad I did too.
    a joy from the beginning to end

    Great flick. I also enjoyed The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Good fun.

  82. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    Latest Club Grubbery featured two stood down firemen from Australian Firefighters Alliance. One VIC and one Qld.

    Hoody mentioned a terminated unvaxxed Qld traffic cop who is now a volunteer firey and does not have to be jabbed. He can help an accident victim as a volunteer but not as a cop.

    VIC guy talked about having to drop mandate for CFA as would lose 50%.

    Also had on a very impressive NSW LNP MP Tanya Davies. Very anti mandates etc and one I would support big time if in her electorate.

  83. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Overnight reminder-
    Don’t say “vaccine” when you know it’s just an ineffective injection of dodgy stuff. See: any hard copy dictionary or med textbook printed pre-2020 to learn what a vaccine is and does and the how and why.
    Don’t say “pandemic” when you mean to say “lockdown”. See: Sweden if you’re unsure of the difference between the two words.
    And don’t say “First Nations” because t’s just ditzy bad language and bogus history.
    Just be on the lookout for neologisms, too many otherwise clever people seem to swallow them whole and never realize that they’re drinking Kool-Aid. A neologism is usually a sign that either a bad old idea needs to be re-packaged to take another birl at the dance of credence, or a new idea is being dressed in bright packaging with the hope that it’s mistaken for having a bit of exotic history.

  84. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    As per the comment way above, the 8 hours sleep in the night-time ‘norm’ may have something to do with the needs of farming and industrial work, but I can attest that it is not a universal truth. Here I am, awake and alert.

    In fact, when I was working office hours, I was constantly at war with my body clock. I was awake when I should be sleeping, and vice versa. At weekends or when I was on leave, a lot of time was spent sleeping to catch up.

    feelthebern says:
    January 19, 2023 at 1:25 pm

    The start up universe in Australia is so different to the US which is so different to Asia (ex China).
    In Australia they tend to work backwards.
    Ie, fancy office, big salary come first.
    Then actually building the business/service.
    It’s quite bizarre.
    I was told a story the other day about an Australian start up that needs to raise cash to keep the lights on.
    The CEO was doing zoom calls from Europe because he’s been away for a month skiing.
    Yep, that’s a CEO with their priorities in the correct order.

    In John Le Carre’s The Honourable Schoolboy, there is a vivid description of a bank building (probably based on the HKSB) in the early 1970s. All marble and granite and majestic halls downstairs, but upstairs the deeds were kept in old wooden apple boxes, in what he describes as ‘the cheeseparing tradition’ of Chinese businesses.

    From a different cultural perspective, one of the great Parkinson’s laws is that once an institution gets a flash building, it is on the way down. In the case of grandiose start-ups, it certainly holds true.

  85. Figures Avatar
    Figures

    Being around other people involves certain societal responsibilities

    Who decides what those responsibilities are?

    The CMO. Appointed by the Premier and can and will be fired if they say anything the Premier doesn’t like.

    If the CMO (actually the Premier) decide that you personally must get 10 vaccines or be locked out of work or shopping is that ok Monty?

    What about 100 vaccines?

    1000?

    The terrifying thing is that Premiers now have this right to engage in what would be extra-judicial murder. And Monty agrees that they should have this right.

    And every judge in Australia agrees with Monty.

  86. johanna Avatar
    johanna

    Another sign that correct speech and opinions are being determined by governments here:

    Three men have been charged by Queensland Police’s Counter-Terrorism Investigation Group over the display of Nazi symbols in the state’s south-east.
    Key points:

    Three men aged 20, 21 and 42 will face court in Brisbane next month
    A racist banner hung over the M1 on the Gold Coast last November sparked numerous public complaints
    Police allege the men displayed offensive imagery in public on multiple occasions, causing damage to public infrastructure

    On Tuesday police executed search warrants at properties in the Brisbane suburb of Toowong and the Gold Coast suburbs of Pimpama and Oxenford.

    Among the items allegedly found were flyers, stickers, computer devices and a banner that police said was displayed over the Pacific Highway in Helensvale last November.

    Police allege the men were involved in posting offensive imagery in public areas multiple times, damaging infrastructure and causing community concern.

    “Our primary focus is on keeping the community safe,” Acting Detective Superintendent Leonie Steyger said in a statement.

    “The public have a right to go about their daily lives without being subjected to highly offensive imagery.

    Now, I have no time for these dickheads. But, being a dickhead should not be a crime. Indeed, it is not a crime, except for certain types of dickheadery that are currently out of favour.

    As for ‘highly offensive imagery’ – sez who? I am very offended by images of sleazy drag queens with little kids, but unfortunately that doesn’t count.

  87. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Alec Baldwin has vowed to fight the involuntary manslaughter charges announces today by prosecutors in New Mexico, calling them a ‘terrible miscarriage of justice’.

    He and Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed are to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. New Mexico First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies and Rust Special Prosecutor Andrea Reeb announced the charges in a written statement today.

    Both Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed face a maximum of 18 months in prison if convicted. Dave Halls, the Assistant Director, has pleaded guilty to the charge of negligent use of a deadly weapon.

    Prosecutor says ‘if Alec had done his job Halyna Hutchins would be alive today’

    Daily Mail

  88. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    Celebrity idiots such as Baldwin live in the fantasy world they work in. A world where personal responsibility and accountability for unwelcome outcomes of their play acting don’t matter. Vile and depraved behaviour…and it’s leaking through broader society thanks to the likes of Baldwin. See also: The Shmarkle duo.

  89. Hugh Avatar
    Hugh

    Thanks Tom.

  90. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    A family of farmers, Ma, Pa, and their son Jim, take a trip to the city and walk into a shopping mall for the first time. They gape in awe at all the shiny surfaces and gleaming store windows full of fancy objects. Before long, the boys wander off and leave Ma ogling a kiosk of crystal jewellery. Pa and Jim find themselves in front of the elevators, having never seen such a thing before, they stop and stare, wondering what sort of strange city doors these be. A little old woman, wrinkled and bent, slowly taps her way into the elevator with her walker. The doors close with a DING, and the lights above the elevator flash. A moment later, the doors open with another DING, and a tall, gorgeous twenty-something blonde saunters out into the mall. The country boys gape at the sight for a moment, mouths open wide. “Boy” Pa gulps “go getcha ma”.

  91. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Living well is the best revenge.

    George Herbert

  92. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    New Zealand. Schwab’s Prize Student Resigns

    From Armstrong Economics –

    “Last month, Jacinda Ardern confidently said bring it on. Schwab’s prize student progressive was confident about reelection. Even last January’s poll rating saw her drop to a new historic low of 35%. It appeared in December she was living in denial. But her polls were dragging down the party and there was no way she would win in an election. Her COVID-19 draconian politics most assumed were at the direction of Klaus Schwab who thought lockdowns were fantastic with this video, the population has a different perspective. Her sudden realization that being Schwab’s prize student for a young leader was not a guarantee to stardom.

    When we look at the computer timing arrays for the New Zealand dollar, we see January as the major target in 2023 followed by August. January was also a Directional Change. But look at the Weekly. Jacinda Ardern has announced she is resigning and stepping down as of February 7th. This was also a Directional Change for this very week. The weekly turning point is her last week. Notice there is a Panic Cycle the week of February 27th.

    The interesting aspect when we turn to the Share Market, once again we see January as the major turning point for the year with a Directional Change. However, May is a Panic Cycle that aligns with what we see in Russia and Ukraine. The West is pushing Russia into a corner. This is not some border skirmish, this is an attempt to actually invade Russia and destroy it once and for all. They say a third time is always a charm – Napoleon, Hitler, and now NATO. This makes for very interesting markets post-2024. Here May is showing up around the world.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/australia-oceania/new-zealand-schwabs-prize-student-resigns/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

  93. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Both Baldwin and Gutierrez-Reed face a maximum of 18 months in prison if convicted.

    Maximum 18 months. Which means they’ve chosen that charge so they can slap him on the wrist and let him out after the tiniest stretch they can get away with. And that’s even if he’s found guilty.

    Meanwhile righties are doing 4 and 5 years in the Rikers Island hell hole for parading.

  94. Dot Avatar

    https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com/2020/03/armstrong-economics-largest-forecasting.html

    You must realize we are the largest forecasting firm in the world. We cover more than 1,000 markets ever day. When the surge of millions of people tries to get in at one time, the system is designed to … so that when tens of millions trying to get into the basic level, it does not bring down all levels.

    It appears that this message is nothing more than a confidence trick by an operation that is run on a shoestring budget. Because:

    In October 2021, years after first launch, not enough money to even fix the bugs?
    Thank you for visiting Ask-Socrates.com. We are in the process of updating our site, migrating data, and transitioning to a new infrastructure.
    You may experience delays and discrepancies during this time. We appreciate your patience and understanding.

    And in case you wondered who is behind this outfit, click on the button “Learn more About Us” – it leads nowhere. But wait. I can tell you where this shady operation resides. Offshore in the UAE. Proof:

    Ask-Scorates

    Look how big they are:

    Forecasting & Political Correctness
    The problem stems from the fact that I am INDEPENDENT and we are not a one-man-band newsletter. We have the resources and are global and have always been. Therein lies the distinction. Because we are global, we have to monitor the world. We have been the LARGEST institutional adviser with more than 25,000 institutions stemming from back in the 1990s.
    Martin Armstrong never advised institutions as he claims. The proof is here:

    Which Institution was ever advised by Martin Armstrong?.

    Another lie: he does not even have a permanent office outside his Florida home.

    And he IS a one-man-band newsletter. Given the time he is spending on one-man-band marketing, posting on internet bulletin boards posing as his own clients, it is hardly surprising that there is no time left for even writing quality reports and books let alone providing specific advice.

    Again, I provide the proof here:

    Martin Armstrong’s Informant Behind the Curtain

  95. Gilas Avatar
    Gilas

    Any unvaccinated Cats who have had Covid twice?

    Like some others here, never vaxxed, never tested, never installed the Q-code app.
    Given my knowledge of Clinical Immunology and corona-viruses in general, I went out of my way to catch COVID, in the wild, since the start of this societal clusterf@ck.

    Eventually managed one day in bed, with unusually heavy lassitude, with increased atrial ectopic beats (AEBs) ? spike protein effect on atrial endocardium?
    Notable only because these were not my usual viral URTI symptoms.
    Also had another 2, barely noticeable episodes of increased awareness of AEBs, lasting a few hours.

    That’s all… so not quite the threat-to-life that the “experts” promised.

  96. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The George Santos drag queen story has now made it to the mainstream media.
    The first I saw it was via Iowahawk yesterday.
    It’s hilarious.

  97. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Strange one! .. the LIV Golf (Greg Norman’s mob) have signed a TV broadcast agreement with CW Network with lotza hype .. Unfortunately, they forgot to mention CW is only available in the USA ……. If you live elsewhere you ain’t watching CW .. LOL!
    https://www.breitbart.com/news/liv-golf-cw-network-reach-multi-year-broadcast-rights-agreement/

  98. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    You must realize we are the largest forecasting firm in the world. We cover more than 1,000 markets ever day. When the surge of millions of people tries to get in at one time, the system is designed to … so that when tens of millions trying to get into the basic level, it does not bring down all levels.

    He has a Bloomberg terminal ?

  99. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    the LIV Golf (Greg Norman’s mob)

    Same mob that own Newcastle.

  100. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t normally bother watching such tripe but last I night I succumbed and watched the video of the bangarang between Clarke, Yarbrough and Stefanovic. It didn’t take me long to regret it. I viewed the video after I’d watched on Sky the footage of what’s happening in Alice Springs. Quite frankly, the behaviour of so called “celebrities” wasn’t much better than the delinquent indigenous teenagers in Alice.

  101. Dot Avatar

    VPN shatnerzzz

  102. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Government introduces laws to protect Australians from online misinformation

    So who decides what misinformation is? The Guv’ment Agency? No thanks.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/government-introduces-laws-to-protect-australians-from-online-misinformation-20230119-p5cdqg.html

  103. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    An interesting history article from the Express:

    See harrowing unearthed photos of the day Germany blitzed UK’s East Coast in WW1 (19 Jan)

    It wasn’t until that fateful night on January 19 that the true extent of aerial warfare was realised, when Great Yarmouth and King’s Lynn, both on the East Coast, were pummelled by bombs dropped from two German Zeppelins. It would mark the first time the Germans had successfully bombed British towns. They would strike again the following evening, on January 20.

    The destruction was undeniable: four civilians were killed and 16 injured, while an estimated £7,740 (£207,300 adjusted for inflation) in damage was caused.

    The Daily Express captured the extent of the attacks in its swift reportage the day afterwards, collected in this story.

    The star of the story are all the archival photos, including some of the unexploded Zeppelin bombs. I don’t know if there’s a paywall, I’ve never encountered one.

    They also show the Express front page from 20 Jan 1915, the day after that attack: the second biggest headline says “Stop This Rise In Food Prices!” As they say history surely rhymes.

  104. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Monty, look up Backpfeifengesicht

  105. Dot Avatar

    Even der Kaiser hated TOWIE.

  106. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    And more for Dotty Dot and Fwends,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    The Coming Wealth Tax – Pocahontas’ Dream Come True

    From Armstrong Economics –

    “Elizabeth Warren’s Wealth Tax is now moving forward in the leftmost Democratic States – California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, New York, and Washington state. Naturally, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and New Jersey are paying very close attention as they lick their lips at the thought of untold billions in new revenue to cover faltering government employee pension plans caused by artificially low interest rates. Even federally, the US has bumped its head on the debt ceiling. Without question, the ceiling will have to be raised again but with a lot of pomp and circumstance and perhaps a few fistfights on the floor. Yet the primary dealers cannot handle all the debt pouring out and there is a declining appetite for anything long-term as the Bide Administration wages direct proxy war against Russia until the last Ukrainian falls on the battlefield and NATO troops then revenge their deaths.

    Socialism is collapsing and governments will fight to their last breath until the politicians are dragged out and hung on the streets as is typical in such cases of economic malfeasance. What is emerging at the state level is simply versions of Warren’s Wealth Tax which will be applied to WORLDWIDE assets. The hated rich policies, who have provided all the jobs over the centuries by creating industries, are to be stripped mined.

    SELL YOUR HOUSE WHILE YOU STILL CAN AND MIGRATE NOW!

    Once these Wealth Taxes enter the game in 2024, that will be the peak of the ECM and only a braindead person would want to buy your house in those states! The Year 2024 will be the Decline and Fall and you better pay heed to what is unfolding on this level. The Wealth Tax will be a permanent property tax you will pay even when you are losing money. It will NOT recognize a decline in the value of assets until they are sold.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/the-coming-wealth-tax-pocahontas-dream-come-true/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

  107. Dot Avatar

    https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-government-wants-computer-code-for.html

    Martin Armstrong repeatedly claimed that the US Government was interested in the forecasting capability of his computer program and that it requested from him the source code of it.

    He also claimed that the CIA requested from him he build a forecasting model for them.

    He wrote that he declined in both cases. Instead he claims that his computer model has self-awareness which allowed it to self-destruct when the hardware was physically moved by court order.

    See: Sorting the Nonsense & Prejudices from the Truth of Reality
    Posted Mar 27, 2020 by Martin Armstrong
    Money cannot buy everything in life. I turned down $500 million for Socrates where it would have just provided analysis for a single user. I rejected the request of the CIA to build a version for the US government. I offered to run any study they asked and was told they “had to own it.”
    This is a ridiculous lie, a type of lie familiar to those dealing with charlatans. He might have gleaned it from other fabrications such as from the imaginary owner of his free energy scooter. See:

    Armstrong’s Ignorance on Perpetual Motion Machine?

    He uses these fabricated stories for multiple purposes:

    to distract from the real reason why the Government requested turnover of computer assets
    to conceal the fact that the court ordered him to turn over 15 million worth of assets stolen from investors
    to distract from the fact that he most likely deleted files manually (files that the Government requested for different reasons), to conceal information about his crimes and about the stolen assets
    to enhance his clients’ perception of the capabilities of his computer (artificial intelligence, self-awareness)
    to enhance his own status with heroism based on the false claim that he remained in prison for the sole reason that he refused to turn over his computer code to the court

    Following are some links to documents with discussion of the topics above.

    Deletion of Files
    In ARMSTRONG v GUCCIONE we read:
    A forensic computer expert testified that (1) one of the four returned computers had its hard drive removed, (2) on the morning before another computer was turned over to the receiver, more than 500 files had been erased from its hard drive, and (3) on the same day that a third computer was turned over, software was installed enabling the deletion of computer files and the computer’s internal clock was reset in an effort to mask the destruction of files.

    In It’s just Time he writes:
    I can confirm, that the system was laced with a virus. If it was ever removed from the office, it would know and self-destruct. That I believe took place for it appears the Government seized the computer, took if to a lab at the World Trade Center, ironically where it was destroyed in the attack. The Government seized the computer, but it self-destructed when moved.

    This is consistent with a user installing a bulk erase software on a computer (as observed by the forensic expert) and executing it. There is nothing that indicates that a system was in place that could execute such a task when required, such as one that would detect a change of location. A forensic computer expert would have certainly detected such a system, including a virus (as Martin Armstrong claims) that could have executed it.

    Even more so, if such delete action had been planned and built into the system, the discovery of 500 deleted files would have been prevented by removing / replacing the more than 500 file entries entirely. This is another proof that this story is a desperate excuse and smokescreen, after-the fact propaganda for the consumption of naive observers who know as little or less about computers as Armstrong himself.

    Claims of superior Performance based on Computer-based Self-Awareness

    Martin Armstrong likes to claim that his computer model has abilities exceeding contemporary AI (Artificial Intelligence), based on self-awareness, backed up by his claims that it erased the files under threat as described above.

    In Self-Aware Artificial Intelligence he writes:
    It achieved self-awareness. It immediately knew the government was trying to take it to its secret computer lab in WTC building 7 that mysterious collapsed even though nothing struck the building. They were angry when they realized it had self-destructed. It was aware of its surroundings and it took all but 7 seconds to self-destruct overwriting all code 7 times and shifting around so they could never un-erase and put him back together again. The Global Market Watch is running. It is being tested live and seems to have handled these turning points rather well. Reassembling something of this magnitude is truly an awesome project. It is time consuming to say the least. What is at stake is the creation of an artificial being that monitors the world around it. This is beyond creating a mere drone that people control from a distance. This is something that thinks on its own and tells you what it has explored.
    In The Reversal System – Engineering Background you can discover how embarrassingly trivial the Socrates system really is. There is also evidence that he does not even know what Artificial Intelligence (AI) is.

    See also:

    Disinformation

  108. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Baldwin has been Formally Charged.
    Good.

  109. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    This could turn out to be interesting.

    Ex-Socialist MEP Admits Guilt in Bribery Scandal, Promises to Share ‘Revealing’ Details of EU Corruption (19 Jan)

    So far, the scandal has largely revolved around left-wing politicians in Europe, with the most notable individual implicated being Socialist Eva Kaili, a former Vice-President of the parliament who has since been stripped of her position and put behind bars while awaiting trial.

    Now, another socialist figure, Pier Antonio Panzeri, has also been confirmed to have been involved in the scandal, with POLITICO reporting the man as admitting his guilt to authorities on Tuesday as part of a plea deal.

    What’s more, Panzeri has also reportedly vowed to share “revealing” details of the scandal with authorities in Belgium as part of the plea agreement, something that has been described as an “important development” by officials.

    Going to be a lot of pressure from Eurocrats to shut this guy up, or at least prevent named names from being publicized. But if those names should get out I suspect it’ll be quite a larger list than we’ve seen hitherto.

  110. calli Avatar
    calli

    Top o’ the mornin’ Cats and greetings from Kingscliff. Raining.

    And that’s about the extent of my travelogue. 🙂

  111. bons Avatar
    bons

    Wow, one thing that you have to say about the current ‘small mens” collective in Canberra they can implement stupid at light speed.
    These clowns have brought in censorship even more quickly than TLS attempted to do so.
    All those public servants who were working for Labor during SCOMO’s vacuum must have shelves of prepared legislation to feed the wombats.
    Enforcement is going to be fun to watch and will further alienate plod from the people.

  112. Dot Avatar

    Martin Armstrong likes to claim that his computer model has abilities exceeding contemporary AI (Artificial Intelligence), based on self-awareness, backed up by his claims that it erased the files under threat as described above.

    Delusional. It is so flawed it cannot even add up correctly.

    2.09 + 0.01 = 3

    As per Marty Armstrong’s “sentient AI soopacompoota”.

  113. Dot Avatar

    There’s a good case to put Armstrong in prison again for fraud.

  114. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Yes, because above all we must control the flow of information.

    Climate misinformation ‘rocket boosters’ on Musk’s Twitter

  115. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    m0ntysays:
    January 19, 2023 at 9:53 pm
    There were awful penalties for many people for being unvaccinated.
    Including not being allowed to travel and losing work.

    Being around other people involves certain societal responsibilities. If you reject those, society rejects you. Simples.

    With the growing potential threat from Chainerr, m0nty=fa now supports universal (all genders, all ages) conscription to defend the nation.

  116. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Plus unvaxxed pilots. Strange, isn’t it. They seem genuinely concerned about their own safety. Never mind ours.

    VIP driver at Davos says he’s not allowed to drive elites in electric vehicles, reveals why

  117. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Whatever happened to droughts and wildfires?

    Warming to make California downpours even wetter, study says

  118. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Dover

    What tardy rollout, as I said above, the mandate came into effect when all at risk age groups had already been double vaccinated and hand been so for over a month.

    m0nty=fa has, just has, to believe that everything was the fault of the unvaxxed. The alternative is to accept that he was taken in by an hysterical government over-reaction, particularly in Victoria.

    To accept that TaliDan did not have m0nty=fa’s best intersts at heart would destroy his world view. For leftards, everything is about politics.

  119. Dot Avatar

    This is not a joke.

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/staring-on-tube-unhealthy-sexual-behaviour/

    Staring can land you in prison as police crackdown on ‘unhealthy sexual behaviour’

    Choice quote:

  120. Dot Avatar

    “We want to know about that staring because that is the behaviour that suggests to me that someone is thinking about a sexual behaviour that supports that staring.

    “We will record them as crimes and we will investigate them – and we have had successful prosecutions in that field.”

    Just last month a man was sentenced to 22 weeks in prison after a woman reported him for “continuously staring” at her on a train in Berkshire.

    Clown World

  121. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Salvatore

    Her performance was disgraceful, appalling, unstatesmanlike & cringeworthy.

    And those are Horse Face’s good points.

  122. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Imagine you’re an NZ small or medium business owner hearing Ardern saying she’s got nothing left in the tank.
    Ardern has had the biggest PM’s office in NZ history part of which is the biggest media management team in history.
    She’s had guaranteed income & a guaranteed pension at some stage.
    If Ardern has nothing left in the tank, imagine what the punter with real skin in the game has gone through since the start of 2020.

  123. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    You’re a.
    Not an.

  124. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    If Ardern has nothing left in the tank, imagine what the punter with real skin in the game has gone through since the start of 2020.

    I seem to recall that at the beginning Ardern, despite the teeth, was reasonably attractive. Just look at her now. The Portrait of Dorian Grey in reverse. Plus she has the ugliest NZ accent I’ve ever heard.

  125. 2dogs Avatar
    2dogs

    Nowhere is the White Saviour Complex more cancerous than at the World Economic Forum.

  126. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Just catching up on some reading – Cannot guess (maybe C.L.) who penned as guest author the Flat White article on Me-Again and the Half-wit Prince but is was a beautifully written so if I can share it and apologies if it’s been shared before:

    Spare … us all
    Flat White
    9 January 2023
    10:00 AM

    I cannot help but think of Her Late Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II.

    Her long reign was crowned by stoicism, her belief in doing a public duty as well as she could, and living a private life where possible. And keeping it private.

    It is for her that I almost grieve again.

    A novel about an extraordinary life and its challenges was Elizabeth’s to write. Gold bound. But not for a moment would she have countenanced such a script.

    Instead, it was her grandson, Harry, who put pen to paper about a story of privilege without power.

    Spare is a book about ignorance on so many levels. Ignorance of the role of the Monarchy. Ignorance of the way the Royal Family works. Ignorance of the succession process. Ignorance of the media. Ignorance of the Taliban and its memory for targets. Ignorance of real hardship.

    Spare is a book about jealously and a child who has failed to deal with loss. There are boys in every country who have lost a mother, and mothers who have lost boys. They understand the powerful grief of this and find safe storage for it in their lives.

    They don’t look to blame or to finger point. Most look for calm and seek the joy of memories, celebrate the learnings and the privilege of having that person in their life.

    Spare is the notation of a man who is California dreaming. A man who has seemingly adopted the self-obsessed, self-centred, victim-driven ways of a person who doesn’t understand that his lot in life, even on a bad day, is beyond the fortune of almost all others.

    He has sold his soul and family sanctity for a dime: proud commodities gone and non-returnable.

    This is a man who claims to want his family, privacy, and the institution of the British monarchy, yet has trashed his family and laundered their private rights. The standard he has set for his own privacy involves cameras, book deals, a place on centre stage, and a megaphone for his wife.

    It seems what he really wants, or maybe what his actress wife wants, is for him to be King and Me-Again to be Queen.

    That they will be neither, is the real rub. They are royal support crew. Superfluous to official need.

    Unlike all others in the generational ranks of the family, Harry seems unable to understand that the rungs on the family ladder mean something. That they want titles from the institution they abhor, and into which they lob churlish and childish grenades, is beyond comprehension.

    And now – for all that we know – why would we want Harry in charge?

    Why would we want a drug-taking man-child who seeks advice from a medium channelling the ghosts of his mother to be the constitutional leader to whom we bow? That said, his wife could curtsey to him in ridicule and ignorance as she did the Queen. Meghan: mocking one day, shocking the next. Did the American think that by marrying Harry she would become a Royal Kardashian celebrity with a palace and a crown?

    The couple’s adjustment to life outside the palace shadows that of former King Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson, another American divorcee. It took them some time to understand the implications of their decision to settle on the outside.

    Some would have us cheer on Harry and Meghan, despite them swimming in the very shallow end of the pool of decorum and respect. They are victims only of their own selfishness.

    In trashing his family in the vilest of ways, Harry has broken what could be most fundamental of human needs between people: trust.

    It is the human thread that unites and enables – be it within family, business or even politics. Soldiers are also trained in trust.

    Trust is the commodity that raises us up, takes us further, unites, and binds.

    If the world learns something from this book, it is about trust.

    Harry talks about reconciliation but walks a Woke war.

    How is it that he expects his family to sit with him (and his wife) and have an honest conversation knowing that it will become public fodder – the gruel feeding the next cheque for the Californian couple?

    William and Charles won’t be able to look left without Harry saying they should have looked right. It won’t matter what they do – it will be wrong according to the Gospel of St Harry and Meghan – and shouted so from their public pulpit.

    We should give the Sussexes the privacy they apparently crave. They should have it. Take it. Run away in peace – and quiet – and leave the legacy of Elizabeth II alone.

    Harry should allow his father, brother, and then nephew to do what history has shaped for them.

    He should spare us his drab, boring, private, and toxic babble.

    May those in Buckingham Place continue with the trade of public duty and dignity for which they are loved and respected. And may silence reign supreme.

    William and Kate, the Prince and Princess of Wales, should keep calm and carry on.

    May they be blessed with more children – for each will ensure Harry remains one step further from the throne.

    Spare us the thought.

  127. Bill P Avatar
    Bill P

    Zulu

    Because of their short legs?

    They were the Fakawi tribe.

  128. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    feelthebernsays:
    January 20, 2023 at 7:10 am
    The George Santos drag queen story has now made it to the mainstream media.
    The first I saw it was via Iowahawk yesterday.
    It’s hilarious.

    This will cause great mental confusion among leftard mongs (BIRM).

    Santos is a Repub who (like many DemonRats) fudged his cv. Baaaaad.

    Santos also plays the Drag lime. Gooooood.

    What to say? Difficult. LOL.

  129. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    It’s an Armstrongathon!

  130. mem Avatar
    mem

    I

    ndolentsays:
    January 20, 2023 at 8:02 am
    New World Odor™
    @hugh_mankind

    They will keep pushing climate change in order to put you in climate chains.

    Apparently, every country is heating up faster than the rest of the world. LOL

    Seems obvious that the media have been forwarded a proforma media release with space to fill in the dots to customise scare campaign to individual country. It’s a global scam promoted by activist media.

  131. JC Avatar
    JC

    In Self-Aware Artificial Intelligence he writes:
    It achieved self-awareness. It immediately knew the government was trying to take it to its secret computer lab in WTC building 7 that mysterious collapsed even though nothing struck the building.

    Hahahahahahaha

    Where’s woddney woddenhead, the former Rolls Royce senior executive to explain.

  132. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Boambee John says:
    January 20, 2023 at 8:00 am

    A lot of it has to do with signalling virtue.
    The collectivist mindset at work and all evidence to the contrary be damned.
    As Dover pointed out, the vulnerable had been jabbed before mandates were brought in. Once the vulnerable were “protected” the rest of society was under no obligation to take concoctions that are to this day still not fully tested.
    Yet in order for a certain cohort to feel virtuous and walk around masked up with their hollow chests out that’s what happened.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Let them not eat cake.

    British Food Tsar Hints At Cake Ban At The Office, Compares Health Harms To Passive Smoking (19 Jan)

    The head of a food watchdog in Britain has been ridiculed for suggesting that workers bringing cake into the office is as harmful to the nation’s health as passive smoking.

    Professor Susan Jebb, chairwoman of the Food Standards Agency (FSA), said that she only eats cake during the day because colleagues give her the opportunity to do so. She then called on office workers to refrain from the practice to help the fight against obesity.

    Bringing a kale salad to office morning tea might not be particularly popular, one thinks. Typical pom though, the British Empire was founded on the wretchedness of English cuisine as diners fled to tastier places.

  134. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Zempilas cancels Australia Day fireworks because two years of knobbling has knobbled it.
    Fireworks being replaced by Celestial Kingdom drones and First Nationses moans.

  135. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    John Cain arena.
    Still makes me laugh.
    Will it go bust & Magda do Joan Kirner impersonations out the front?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VHuEvhb48g

    I tried the find the Magda/Kirner busking on the streets of Melb skit.

  136. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Mandatory vaccination requirements will be extended to all primary care and other private sector health service providers across NSW, with these workers required to have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine by 31 January 2022. These changes are consistent with requirements in other states and territories, including Victoria, Queensland, and Western Australia. NSW Health earlier this year introduced mandatory vaccination for its healthcare workers to help protect patients, visitors, other health staff and the wider community.

    Which reminds me of this legendary example of idiocy from Goose Morristeen: “We haven’t mandated vaccines, except when we have.”

  137. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Knuckle Draggersays:
    January 20, 2023 at 8:30 am
    It’s an Armstrongathon!

    Got to keep Dotty Dot, Jerkoff Cretin, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and other ‘fwends’ well briefed.

  138. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    On this day, 20 January 1942, the submarine I-124 was sunk in combat outside Darwin harbour by the corvette HMAS Deloraine.

    Four boats of the Sixth Submarine Squadron of the Imperial Japanese Navy had laid mines and were attempting to torpedo shipping. On the afternoon of the 20th, vessels of the RAN were hunting for the attackers.

    I-124 tried to torpedo Deloraine, and the warship attacked her with depth charges, with the submarine half-surfacing in front of the Australian vessel, perhaps to fight it out with her 4-inch deck gun. She lost the engagement, and was sent to the seabed below, where she remains with her 80 crew to this day.

    Rest in peace Lieutenant-Commander Kishigami and his ship’s company where they lie inside their submarine outside Darwin today.

  139. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    John Cain arena.
    Still makes me laugh.

    It’s a lot funnier when can just turn the TV off and it goes away. Cain/Kirner wasn’t as funny when you were there. Nobody reinvents history like the Liars.

  140. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Zempilas cancels Australia Day fireworks because two years of knobbling has knobbled it.

    Those who object to Australia Day will be turning up for work, right?

  141. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Can’t really blame St Jacinda.
    Her options were, fight a losing election and get the gloss burned off under the magnifying glass
    or, bow out with no further questions, land on a feather bed of book tours and sinecures.

  142. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    … I know which one I’d choose, if I’d never had a productive job in my life…

  143. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    For those with an interest in Stephen Crowder, Tim Pool and Daily Wire.

    Tim the other day mentioned Crowder had gone off about a contract he had rejected for future podcasts as he had left Blaze.

    A YouTube video popped up on my feed from Jeremy Boring of Daily Wire. Says they are the company Crowder not happy with.

    Then then goes through the contract in great detail and it is a great insight into how those guys are valued.

    The contract was $12.5m per year but with Crowder covering expenses. Goes into how many episodes, working days etc.

    One clause was if Crowder lost half his (ie DW) advertising revenue then after 90 days his payment from DW would drop by 25%. Crowder seemed to think should be paid even if he caused the loss of income.

    Interesting insights into podcast world.

  144. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Can’t really blame St Jacinda.

    Typical gutless cowardly leftie. Screw things up royally and bug out before facing the music.
    She’s got a kid about to go to kindy and primary school. Take pity on the people at the local P&C meetings.

  145. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Fact check – true:

    Martin Armstrong is a dead ringer for Billy Bob Thornton in Bad Santa.

  146. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Cars have an obesity problem.

    British Parking Association: Weight of electric cars causes collapse of parking garages (19 Jan)

    because of a hefty battery pack, EVs are often bulky. An electric car sometimes weighs as much as 500 pounds more than a similar model with a traditional powertrain. This can create dangerous situations, according to the British Parking Association.

    Indeed, according to the British Parking Association, there are some 6,000 multi-story parking garages in the United Kingdom, most of which were built to guidelines based on the weight of popular cars from the 1970s.

    Chris Whapples, structural engineer and member of the BPA: “When you see the weight of electric cars coming out of the factory, you begin to wonder if the existing standards are adequate. We haven’t had an incident yet, but I suspect it’s only a matter of time. We encourage owners of older parking garages to check.”

    Add that parking garages are all going to want EV chargers which will add another weight to stress the supports. Plus massive electricity supply feeders and transformers. Which all means um, heavy increases parking fees.

  147. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Zempilas

    Perf’s poor man’s Kochie. Even I can’t defend this one.

  148. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    The funniest thing was when Basil upset Perf trannies and could hit reverse fast enough.

  149. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    By 4,000 years ago agriculture was very well established yet not here. Are you arguing that the wave left behind all their technology and agriculture?

    No; unless you’re bruce pascoe who basically thinks the 3rd nations had a space program, the reality is the waves brought limited technology because they were hunters and gatherers. There’s also the issue of stagnation. The 3rd nations got stuck into this country, exterminating the Mega Fauna, burning the place down and changed things to the limit of their sparse technology. Then they spent centuries unchanging and were in a rut. The Maoris were similar and basically starving when Cook turned up.

  150. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Dot at 7:28 on Armstrong-Fraud.

    He wrote that he declined in both cases. Instead he claims that his computer model has self-awareness which allowed it to self-destruct when the hardware was physically moved by court order.

    Bwah ha ha ha.
    Sure.
    Although his compuda might have more self-awareness than some of his disciples.
    Hi, Wodney Wottenhead.

  151. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Instead he claims that his computer model has self-awareness which allowed it to self-destruct when the hardware was physically moved by court order.

    “There’s some woman called Hillary on the phone.”

  152. The Beer whisperer Avatar
    The Beer whisperer

    Thank god for working from home. I simply don’t have the energy levels to cope with going to the office 5 days a week. I can barely work from home thanks to sarcoidosis, diabetes and chronic sinusitis.

    Sorry all, just having a bitch and moan. Still enough energy for that!

  153. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Just last month a man was sentenced to 22 weeks in prison after a woman reported him for “continuously staring” at her on a train in Berkshire.

    Unless he was masturbating like a meth fueled marmoset or a Monty on a Bidens 9″ hog bender his offence is – Public looking.

  154. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Will Commander Zap Montygen be here to run his classic tactics of flinging pixels of poltroonery in mimicry of a Chinese human wave attack?

    Hes willing to send wave after wave of idiocy at us until we reach our limit and shut down.

  155. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Beer Whisperer,
    apology not necessary. I would venture most, if not all of us here have been or still are in the physical doldrums. I’m glad I don’t have to work away from home also. Bitch away mate. 😀

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Invasion Day rallies will campaign against the Voice
    Lisa Visentin
    By Lisa Visentin
    January 20, 2023 — 4.37am

    Invasion Day rallies in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will march under slogans calling for treaty and sovereignty to take priority over a Voice to parliament, as the Indigenous organisers say they will campaign against the push for constitutional recognition.

    Thousands of people are expected to attend the annual rallies in each capital city to commemorate January 26 as the beginning of Indigenous colonisation by the British, with this year’s events taking place as the Voice to Parliament referendum is set to be held in the second half of 2023.

    But organisers will use the high-profile rallies to campaign against the referendum, in a move that exposes long-running tensions within the Indigenous community between Voice supporters and black activist groups that view Australia’s Constitution as a product of colonisation.

    Co-organiser of the Sydney rally Gwenda Stanley, a Gomeroi woman, said the theme of this year’s march would be “sovereignty before Voice”, as she criticised the referendum as a waste of money that could have been better spent on the ground in Indigenous communities.

    “The main message for us to deliver [at the rally] is that, for a lot of us, we are not for the Voice, we are for sovereignty. It’s about our self-determination as Aboriginal people, as original sovereigns of this country,” Stanley, a caretaker of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy in Canberra, said.

    “We have never ever marched these streets singing out ‘we want a Voice’.”

    The split over the Voice dates back to the Uluru dialogues in 2017 when a small breakaway group of delegates, which included Stanley and now-Greens Senator for Victoria Lidia Thorpe, walked out of the convention in protest, while more than 250 Indigenous leaders endorsed the Voice as the first plank of the Uluru Statement, followed by treaty and truth. Thorpe has continued to express reservations about the Voice despite ruling out campaigning against the referendum.

    Melbourne rally organiser Meriki Onus, Thorpe’s sister and a co-founder of activist group Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance, confirmed the theme of “Treaty before Voice” had been adopted for the city’s march after a meeting of local activists to discuss the issue.

    Ruby Wharton, a Gomeroi Kooma woman and an organiser of the Brisbane rally, said two hours of speeches were planned before the march and many speakers would express their concerns with the Voice referendum and would encourage people to vote no.

    “We’re hoping that a lot of the participants and people that come along to our Brisbane Invasion Day rally walk away with a deeper understanding that we don’t want a referendum into constitutional recognition,” Wharton, a member of the Brisbane chapter of the Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance.

    “We don’t need 97 per cent of Australian voters voting on the future of First Nations people who make up less than 3 per cent of the population. Even if we unanimously want [constitutional recognition] and the rest of white Australia doesn’t, then we will not have it.

    “That is quite literally a modern example of our self-determination and our rights to decide how we live being decided by white people.”

    While the rallies are led by a different collective of activist groups in each city, the organisers liaise with their interstate counterparts.

    The Uluru Dialogues, the leading campaign vehicle for the Voice, declined to comment and the office of Indigenous Australians minister Linda Burney did not respond to a request for comment.

    Earlier this month, Uluru dialogue co-chair Professor Megan Davis said there would be no coordinated effort by the Yes movement to campaign alongside the Invasion rallies. She urged Australians to support the Voice rather than “warm and fuzzy” pushes to change the date of Australia Day if they wanted to secure meaningful improvements for First Nations people.

    The decision by rally organisers to convey a critical message about the Voice on a day when Indigenous issues are at the forefront of the national discussion underscores the challenge facing the federal government as it tries to unite the country behind the referendum.

    It comes amid a rocky week for Prime Minister Anthony Albanese after a combative interview on 2GB where he again came under pressure to explain the details of how the Voice would operate. A transcript of the interview later released by his office omitted Albanese’s answer of “no no” when asked if the government had sought legal advice from the solicitor-general on the referendum.

    Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus was later forced to clarify that the solicitor-general’s advice was being sought, alongside advice from a working group of constitutional law experts.

  157. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Peter Dutton reveals concerns about Alice Springs as government knocks back support

    Opposition leader Peter Dutton has revealed his dark fears for one NT town besieged by a crisis of youth crime.

    NTNEWS.COM.AU

    Peter Dutton says he worries that the unfolding events in Alice Springs will soon “turn to tragedy”.
    The Opposition Leader has criticised the government’s refusal to send Australian Defence Force personnel to the town, besieged by a crisis of youth crime spurred on by the reintroduction of alcohol.

    Buildings are being destroyed, healthcare workers are being attacked, cars are being stolen, and elderly people are being accosted while out grocery shopping by out of control youths.

    Statistics show property offences have risen by almost 60 per cent over the last year.

    The town’s Woolworths was forced to close on the weekend after a 13-year-old-boy entered the store, brandishing a machete.

    Mr Dutton said it was “a national disgrace”.

    “The mayor up there has called the Attorney-General asking for additional Federal Police resources, the Albanese Government has refused that,” he told the Nine Network.

    “I worry we’re going to see tragedy in Alice Springs.

    “It’s already been a very difficult situation there for families, for kids, for business owners, for just elderly people who want to go to the shops without being accosted.”

    Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney met with the mayor of Alice Springs, Matt Paterson, on Thursday.

    Mr Paterson told the ministers crime had reached “crisis levels” and wanted the help of the Australian Defence Force and Australian Federal Police.

    A spokesperson for Mr Dreyfus ruled out sending federal authorities, saying it was a matter for the Northern Territory government.

    “The Attorney-General met with the mayor to discuss the situation and hear his concerns,” the spokesperson said.

    The Albanese government has $14m allocated in federal funding for crime prevention and community safety, including support services in Alice Springs and surrounding town camps.

    Mr Paterson told Sky News on Thursday the town had become “chaotic” since legislation banning the sale of alcohol in some camps was revoked.

    “We’ve seen crime through the roof, we’ve seen domestic violence through the roof, the children are committing just senseless destructive damage,” Mr Paterson said.

    NT News complete article – no comments allowed

  158. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    What have the Romans ever done for us?

    Biden State Department Bans Times New Roman Font. Really. (19 Jan)

  159. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Crowder wants a guaranteed contract.
    Apart from some Fox subsidiary, it’s hard to see anyone giving him what he wants.
    I watched the DW response which seemed reasonable.
    The only thing DW didn’t mention was the equity value they were building using Crowder (and other on-air talent).
    One of the reason Barstool has been relatively successful is they’ve taken punts on new talent.
    Some have gone parabolic.
    Some have been dusters.
    I don’t think that’s DW’s business model.

  160. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    feelthebernsays:

    January 20, 2023 at 8:19 am

    Imagine you’re an NZ small or medium business owner hearing Ardern saying she’s got nothing left in the tank.

    Leak’s cartoon this morning was a corker.

  161. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The invasion day crowd are spot on regarding treaties.
    The Voice is a managed, distilled approach to selective, managed, distilled outcomes in-line with policy positions from the “Green-Left” establishment.
    Start talking treaties (read property settlements), the Voice would seem redundant.
    Time to introduce a littler anarchy.

  162. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Introduce a little anarchy.
    Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.

    h/t pale chap with green hair.

  163. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Leak’s cartoon this morning was a corker.

    Establishment types hate that shit.
    They would prefer to eat a dog turd than be ridiculed.

  164. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Imagine Channel Nein having this reaction to Pauline Hanson.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-1jJs8ntk

  165. sfw Avatar
    sfw

    The aboriginals didn’t develop past the hunter gatherer stage because their culture wouldn’t allow it. There was agriculture on the Torres Strait Islands, the Indonesians would visit, the aborigines were exposed to new ideas and ways in these areas, yet they didn’t adopt anything. The way their cultures worked was that their belief system was essentially static, and as a result so was their society. If say a young man came up with a new way to hunt with a bow and arrow. What would’ve happened? Would the elders praise him and encourage the rest of the tribe to adopt the new tech? No, there was no room in their dreaming for bows and arrows, they would’ve punished him harshly, maybe even hunted him down and killed him.

    There were no new ideas in their system and no way for new ideas to be accepted. It wasn’t till white settlement and the obvious benefits of food and clothing were accepted, the elders had no choice as the temptation was too great and they couldn’t get rid of the whites who were here to stay. Funny but the warmer the climate the less adoption of white practices, I guess the warmer weather made the need for warm clothing and rugs not as strong.

    Their culture and beliefs are the reasons why their society never advanced.

  166. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t pass up this one, it’s fun.

    Biden Orders a Bacon Burger, Washington Post Wets Itself (19 Jan)

    Confected photo op as you might expect, all organized to the nth degree beforehand. But the funniest thing is the photo. Couldn’t they find a longer table? And I can here the cackling through my ears all the way from the White House.

    Sadly Mr Green, who wrote this story, missed the obvious counterstrike photo.

  167. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    ACCC says gas giants’ record profits should pay for investment despite price caps

    The national competition watchdog has cast doubt on the gas industry’s claims that the Albanese government’s new price caps and market rules will stifle investment and impose unfair risks on producers, pointing to the industry’s soaring revenue.

    “In large part, the returns that will be made by these companies will be determined on the export market and will be available substantially to continue to be the source of the funds and the returns for investment in new supply,” Cass-Gottlieb said.

    So presumably Ms Cass-Gottlieb is going to indemnify directors who cause shareholders funds to be reinvested at marginal returns approaching zero, because Bowen Social Credit Score.

    And stiff shit for those gas producers not selling into the LNG export market.

    Luckily the ACCC is full bottle on the geological, reservoir engineering, and operational issues of gas production:

    She said the ACCC was well-informed on east coast market prospects and the guidance was sound.

    “It’s based upon nearly six years of detailed investigation and regular reporting and monitoring to government on the East Coast gas market,”

    Although possibly not aware that marginal gas production from a fully equipped CSG well in areas of the Surat and Bowen basins with low gas saturation and unfavourable permeability costs around $12/GJ.
    Or that workover decisions to restore, or increase production from individual wells require an IRR of greater than zero.

    But it’s only other people’s money, after all.

  168. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    A yuuuge shout out to Dot for pulling the wings off that blowfly, Martin Armstrong.
    God’s work.
    FMD.
    The self-aware Big Website.
    The torrent of ever-changing failed predictions.
    Has anyone seen Armstrong and Faulty in the same room?
    If Armstrong suggests putting someone up for a Senate seat so he can use electoral funding to “advance the cause” it will be confirmed.

  169. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    The self-aware Big Website.

    Now this I can get behind. This place needs to lift its game.

  170. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The torrent of ever-changing failed predictions.

    Penny dropped.
    Was Faulty using the dates from self-aware Big Website with his terrible predictions ?

  171. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Four guys have been going to the same fishing trip for many years.

    Two days before the group is to leave, Ron’s wife puts her foot down and tells him he isn’t going.

    Ron’s mates are very upset that he can’t go, but what can they do?

    Two days later the three mates get to the camping site only to find Ron sitting there with a tent set up, firewood gathered, and dinner cooking on the fire.

    “Shit Ron, how long you been here? How did you talk your missus into letting you go?” “Well, I’ve been here since last night. After dinner at home yesterday evening, I was sitting in my chair and my wife came up behind me and put her hands over my eyes and said ‘Guess who?’

    I pulled her hands off, and she was wearing sexy brand-new lingerie. She said she had been reading ‘Fifty Shades of Grey’ and she had a devilish look in her eyes!

    She took my hand and led me to our bedroom. The room had candles and rose petals all over.

    On the bed she had handcuffs, and ropes!

    She told me to tie her up and cuff her to the bed, so I did.

    And then she said ‘Do whatever you want’.

    So here I am!”

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