Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023


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Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 20, 2023 8:26 pm

Doctor m0nty decided:

The vax roll-out has been completed now, if you’re still unvaxxed that’s your choice but you’re not endangering anyone else who doesn’t want to be endangered.

I see Dover has highlighted this already, so allow me to double-dose highlight it.
m0nty has declared the unjabbed posed no danger to the jabbed.
m0nty sees no contradiction between this and any prior statement of his collectivist outsourced soft-power vaccine coercion rationale. But wait, involuntarily unjabbed is morally different to voluntarily unjabbed, so cancer chemo cases croaking courtesy of covid is catastrophic but shady syringe sceptics succumbing to SARS2 is simply showing Darwin’s splendid work. Because outgroup.

All that remains is to show when it was first known that 1) the original alpha strain IFR was overegged, and 2) that Ivm was effective, and 3) that immunity acquired from infection in under 60s was superior to Chadox1-S/Bnt162b2/mRNA1273. There would then be no more reason to suppose that the unjabbed were ever necessarily a danger to anybody else nor themselves.
I admit it is tempting to smuggle information backwards in time and apply what we only know with hindsight to those early heady days of early 2021, but much of this was known prior to that time.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2023 8:26 pm

There were no analogies used in any of my arguments above.

Don’t fear the analogy.

Holy Scripture, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Francis Bacon and C. S. Lewis didn’t.

Just be sure it’s a true analogy.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 8:27 pm

Kissinger Sells Out on Ukraine?

From Armstrong Economics –

QUESTION: Martin, what do you have to say about Kissinger now?
I am sure many want to know.

AP

ANSWER: “Well I had hoped that Henry could have made it to the WEC this year. I think it would have been a very interesting discussion between the two of us. I am well aware of Henry’s background even with Schwab. He delivered a speech at the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, and he flipped in his position saying: “Before this war, I was opposed to membership of Ukraine in NATO because I feared that it would start exactly the process that we have seen now. The idea of a neutral Ukraine under these conditions is no longer meaningful.”

I have long admired Kissinger’s geopolitical analysis. He was instrumental in moving Richard Nixon to open with China which was really a policy to divide and separate Russia from China. While he said that dialogue must be kept open between Russia and other countries even as the war rages on in Ukraine, for if you do not talk, there cannot be any possible resolution.

I fully disagree with Kissinger saying that Ukraine should recapture territory that has been annexed by Russia while simultaneously holding negotiations to end the war. Some of Ukraine’s neighbors really support Russia and would not be so upset if Ukraine was completely destroyed for many views that as karma for their alliance with Nazi Germany. The Western press does not wish to report on how in that region, Ukraine is not trusted nor respected. Some have even expressed the view that Kyiv should be nuked for that is the only way to restore world peace.

While Kissinger said that a diplomatic process could help Russia “re-evaluate its historic position, which was an amalgam of an attraction to the culture of Europe and a fear of domination by Europe.” He did not elaborate on that “fear of domination by Europe” statement, but the fact is that Russia has NEVER sought to invade Europe, but Europe has tried to conquer Russia many times with the two most prominent being Napoleon and Hitler. After the statements that the whole Mink Agreement was just to fool Putin to buy time for this latest attempt to conquer Russia with NATO planning for the long-haul to invade Moscow.

Kissinger also made the statement that “[e]ach side needs to consider for itself how the threat to human survival of the destructiveness of weapons, coupled with making them almost conscious in their application, can be dealt with.” This is a proxy war and Zelensky has no respect for his own people. This is all about a land grab and the Donbas has been historically occupied by Russians as has Crimea. Simply because Khruschev drew the border for Ukraine purely for administrative purposes does not suddenly give Ukraine the right to claim those regions when Ukraine was NEVER a country before the USSR.

Kissinger had advocated for a ceasefire that would see Ukraine accept some of the annexed territories as Russian land for those people are Russian and they should not be compelled to surrender their language and their religion. I cannot explain Henry’s flipping this position for it seems to be only one of two possible explanations (1) old age being 99, or (2) he was told to support Ukraine for this is the objective to destroy Russia.

I support the people in the Donbas against the tyranny of Zelensky and Kyiv for I have not flipped my position which is consistent worldwide for all people. In 2014, I advocated splitting Ukraine according to the ethnic language of the people. Governments have no absolute right to power. Kissinger has forgotten his history. Any government exists only with the support and consent of the people. Our computer pinpointed Ukraine would be the place where World War III would begin. On December 3rd, 2013 we published: Ukraine Maybe The Most Important Country To Watch!

As Thomas Paine (1737-1809) explained, government becomes drunk with power and presumes that they are the sovereign when that power resides only with the people. The U.S. Supreme Court stated in LEGAL TENDER CASES, 110 U.S. 421 (1884) (also referred to as Julliard v Greenman),

“There is no such thing as a power of inherent sovereignty in the government of the United States. It is a government of delegated powers, supreme within its prescribed sphere, but powerless outside of it. In this country, sovereignty resides in the people, and congress can exercise no power which they have not, by their constitution, entrusted to it; all else is withheld.”

The Supreme Court held that the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and binds every forum whether it derives its authority from a state or from the United States Cook v Moffat, 46 US 295 (1847). “It may be regarded as settled that the Constitution of the United States is the only source of power authorizing action by any branch of the Federal government.” Dorr v US, 195 US 138, 140 (1904).

This is why I do not support Zelensky or his ruthless proxy war with Russia on behalf of the USA and NATO. The fake Minsk Agreement confirmed that from day one, the West has been planning to wage war with Russia. They are using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder and could care less how many die to achieve their end goal – the total destruction of Russia. What is also MISUNDERSTOOD is Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence which expressed the same idea as Thomas Paine. By stating that “all men are created equal” had nothing to do with slavery as some tried to re-interpret. He stated that these are “unalienable rights” that are NOT granted by any government. Governments are created to secure those rights, not to suppress them as so many have done and Zelensky is doing right now to the people of the Donbas which the Minsk Agreement was to be their Declaration of Independence that the west has bluntly pissed all over it. When a government becomes destructive to those rights, as the West and Zelensky have done, then “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.”

I am sorry, up to now I have always respected you, Henry. I would not have invited you to our WEC had you flipped your position. There is no purpose to NATO other than to confront Russia. Let’s get that straight. NATO is no different than Athens demanding tribute from everyone to protect them against another invasion by the Persians which also never came. Russia under Khrushchev was very different. It was pushing Marxism and believed that communists would rule the world. Yeltsin choose Putin because he was NOT a Communist, nor was he an oligarch. Those days are long gone and the Russian people themselves would not support a return to communism.

The West has refused to accept Russia as a member of the world economy. It has been the West that has tried to keep the cold war going. NATO, of course, refused to ever accept Russia was no longer communist and kept the paranoia going that they wanted to conquer and dominate Europe which was a goal that died with communism. Neither Russia nor China wants to occupy the United States. The days of empire-building also died long ago.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has no incentive to believe anything coming from Ukraine, NATO, or the United States after what they saw with the deliberate fake Minsk Agreement to only buy time for war. The Donbas should be allowed to vote and let that vote be monitored. They are Russians ethnically and they have an inherent unalienable human right to establish their own government, to worship their religion freely, and to speak their own language. Zelensky is a fake actor playing a role dictated by NATO and the USA. He is putting his own people on the geopolitical altar for sacrifice to seize a region that has always been Russian. When the last man standing falls, Zelensky will be given a free ride to the Bahamas to live the rest of his life on a warm tropical beach.

No government has a right to Deny Any Region to Separate
That Applies in the United States for our day will also come
Sorry Henry – You Lost My Respect I hope it was Old Age”

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 8:28 pm

There were no analogies used in any of my arguments above.

Of course there weren’t except for just one tiny little atom sized one about seat belts.

I just have my own mandates and summary executions. Raising tariffs and quotas up the wazoo to ensure goods aren’t bought “below cost”. Summarily executing drug dealers and users? All good.
Vaxes? A terrible impingement on human rights.

Arky
January 20, 2023 8:31 pm

Roger says:
January 20, 2023 at 8:26 pm
There were no analogies used in any of my arguments above.
Don’t fear the analogy.

..
I don’t. Love an analogy, me.
But my arguments above were about usage and definition of the word “mandate”.
To further drive that point home, as others already have, the buggers themselves commonly used the word mandate throughout the entire time to describe what they were doing.

Zipster
January 20, 2023 8:32 pm

Afghanistan: Taliban unveils first supercar designed and made in the country

bunch of goat herders can do what cant be done in aus

Arky
January 20, 2023 8:34 pm

I think Monty understands full well it was a mandate.
He is just trolling by insisting on something obviously wrong to avoid getting into the real argument as to whether these mandates were justified.

132andBush
132andBush
January 20, 2023 8:34 pm

Monty @9:31 last night.

For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time.

Text lifted from Monty’s “Venn” diagram

Jobs with jabs mandated

Now at 7:20 tonight.

You know how many people lost their jobs to being unvaxxed, among 25 million Australians? It would be measured in the tens of thousands at most (very generously), i.e. a minuscule, tiny fraction.

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 8:37 pm

The non analogy anlogy. The claytons analogy.,

January 19, 2023 at 9:38 pm

..
Is wearing car seatbelts not mandatory because at no point will anyone ever hold you down and belt you into your seat?
I think you need to rethink your definition of mandatory.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2023 8:41 pm

I don’t. Love an analogy, me.

Sure…just a general obervation given the bad rap analogies have gotten here this afternoon.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2023 8:41 pm

Bruce in WA:

In WA, when a SoE is declared, the government can indeed force you to have a vaccine: to be restrained, transported, undressed (if necessary) and forcibly injected.

And in how many states is the SoE still effective? Most of them. This is a most dangerous Damoclean Sword over all of us.
(pretty sure the term ‘Damoclean Sword’ is correct, but correct me if I’m wrong.)

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Some of Ukraine’s neighbors really support Russia and would not be so upset if Ukraine was completely destroyed for many views that as karma for their alliance with Nazi Germany.

Let’s not forget that Russia dominated the USSR and they were synonymous.

The USSR/Russia ALSO had an alliance with Nazi Germany, as did Finland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.

Let’s not forget that Poland was partitioned twice (a triplet and a once and done).

Also remember the USSR demanded Polish territory to to help their Belarusian and Ukrainian cousins.

Finalnd was a Duchy of Russia for hundreds of years.

Frank
Frank
January 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Monty is by nature a lickspittle and running dog, most chose the capitalist system when taking this route but he opted to be a toady for the bureaucracy instead. Sad little man, bet he watches the oestrogen channels in the morning.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2023 8:46 pm

And in how many states is the SoE still effective? Most of them. This is a most dangerous Damoclean Sword over all of us.

The Public Health Acts is where this insanity stems from.

Roger
Roger
January 20, 2023 8:49 pm

Quite amusing that China should chastise us for buying some helicopters. Maybe they’ll ban Aussie wine again in retribution or something.

And then maybe we’ll get the message that trade with China comes with strings attached.

Maybe.

rosie
rosie
January 20, 2023 8:53 pm

Just got proletized by a JW.
No, grazie.

Dot
Dot
January 20, 2023 8:57 pm

Oh look Ed Case hasn’t been here for about 2 hours.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 8:57 pm

Rogersays:
January 20, 2023 at 8:49 pm
Quite amusing that China should chastise us for buying some helicopters. Maybe they’ll ban Aussie wine again in retribution or something.

And then maybe we’ll get the message that trade with China comes with strings attached.

Maybe.

They still like our LNG, Iron Ore and Coal. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Damienski
Damienski
January 20, 2023 8:57 pm

If Aboriginal Australians need a special Voice to the Parliament, the logical extension is that every MP with constituents who are Aboriginal (which is probably all MPs) is failing those constituents.

Only stands if you assume government can solve peoples’ problems.

Not necessarily, Roger. The MPs would be failing in their responsibility to represent, howsoevermuch representation is related to government solving people’s problems.

Representation does not rely on an assumption that government can, will, should, or can be expected to “solve people’s problems”.

That is a whole nuther can of worms.

( and, patently government creates people’s problems far more than it solve them. Exhibit a) Alice Springs).

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2023 9:01 pm

There was a bloke down the street before talking to a bloke he’d backed into a corner.

The talker was going on about ‘half an hour of your time’ and ‘it’s a business proposition’. The talkee was asking ‘it’s Amway isn’t it?’ but wasn’t getting an answer.

Pretty sure the talker was Martin Armstrong.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:03 pm

Franksays:
January 20, 2023 at 8:44 pm
Monty is by nature a lickspittle and running dog, most chose the capitalist system when taking this route but he opted to be a toady for the bureaucracy instead. Sad little man, bet he watches the oestrogen channels in the morning.

The thing about MontyPox Virus and his ilk is that they all enjoy the trappings of the Free Enterprise and Capitalist System but then they try and rubbish it. Hypocrites one and ALL……………………

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2023 9:04 pm

At least that other serial scammer Paul Foster got to pork Samantha Fox.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2023 9:07 pm

the fact that any “Voice” written into the constitution is fundamentally racist

Let’s say it is racist.
Why is that a bad thing?

… and and will render non-indigenous Australians second class citizens in their own country.

Aborigines are going to become First Class Citizens if The Voice is Enacted?
Don’t make me laugh.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:09 pm

Pretty sure the talker was Martin Armstrong.

LOL. And there are so many Martin Armstrongs on this Planet. You have to be so careful out there in the Big Bad Wide World………………………….And how many Martin Armstrongs do you know? Pretty sure or what?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2023 9:10 pm

At least that other serial scammer Paul Foster got to pork Samantha Fox.

Peter Foster?
Extremely doubtful, not only because Sam Fox is a lezzo.

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 9:11 pm

A vaccine can be mandated even if a person may avoid the mandate by taking the penalty of resigning from their job.
That IS the mandate. That IS the circumstance being mandated.

I had to draw a Venn diagram to show you that the mandate was industry-specific. You have ignored this diagram because it shows you my point, which you wish to reject because it invalidates your argument.

You are telling a half truth, which is a classic logical fallacy.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:12 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:07 pm
the fact that any “Voice” written into the constitution is fundamentally racist

Dotty Dot will now be pleased that you have posted some more rubbish. She hadn’t heard from you for a while and was getting a little worried. Poor thing.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 20, 2023 9:12 pm

Just got proletized by a JW.
No, grazie.

Cite Deuteronomy 7:9 to them.
It works! They go away and don’t come back.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2023 9:13 pm

‘how many Martin Armstrongs do you know?’

Only one that looks like Bad Santa and that says he can predict random events, and who also fleeced people for millions and who spent eleven years in the bin for it.

His time in prison, by the way, surely introduced him to man-lovin’. Armstrong would be as gay as, oh I don’t know, Mick Jagger by now.

areff
areff
January 20, 2023 9:14 pm

When beset by analogy, I find anti-histamines helpful

areff
areff
January 20, 2023 9:16 pm

especially in a country churchyard

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 20, 2023 9:16 pm

Schmendrick:
Armstrong is just taking your money.
I could write better [tho still wrong] stuff by reading Rense, Anglin, and the
Wiki entry on Tris Speaker.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2023 9:20 pm

especially in a country churchyard

That’s an allergy in Strine, areff.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2023 9:21 pm

If only there was a way to monetise your idiocy Groogs. Jacarandas, mutton and gluten just aren’t going to cut it.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 20, 2023 9:21 pm

Last JW I had visit I quoted Proverbs 31:10-12 . My favourite because I’m married to one.

areff
areff
January 20, 2023 9:23 pm

Lizzine, in Strine I believe it ‘a lurgy in a country churchyard’

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 9:27 pm

Analogies are central to science

Yes, but we’re talking about different things.

LoL

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2023 9:28 pm

Thefrollickingmoll:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-20/covid-19-modelling-lancet-responses-to-outbreaks/101867608
“Future COVID-19 variants and outbreaks would be best managed by ongoing vaccination and the quicker scaling up of restrictions, according to new research.”
In other word, push the injections and restrictions harder than last time.
We’re hearing you, Mr Government.
You’re doubling down on what didn’t work last time.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 9:28 pm

Put the shovel down, JC.

oh, snap!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:29 pm

Pretty sure the talker was Martin Armstrong.

He lives in Florida. You need to get along to Specsavers and have your ears tested as well.

areff
areff
January 20, 2023 9:30 pm

Wallabies star Kurtley Beale arrested on sexual assault charges

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 9:31 pm

MatrixTransform says:
January 20, 2023 at 9:28 pm

Put the shovel down, JC.

oh, snap!

Oh look, Transition is trying out something different – stoush trolling.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2023 9:32 pm

We have just returned from a very British breakfast. The Full English, as done by the Silverdale pub in Lancashire’s beautiful village of Silverdale, where one of Hairy’s old Cambridge friends now lives in an old stone house. He’s not well, so we didn’t stay there, putting up at the pub, which is a rather trended up old place with much old-fashioned good pub cheer in the decor. The breakfast room was delightful, full of old prints of Hogarthian bent, some genuinely early C18th, featuring perriwigs still, and toby jugs and statuettes of humanised animal heads on shoulders as if they were Roman senators. I forgot to say hold the black pudding, which I left untouched, though Hairy struggle manfully through half of it. We both recalled fried bread as one of life’s much maligned culinary delights. It was yummy with runny fried egg on top. Cumberland sausage and bacon were also good. All finished with toast and marmalade, in memory of Her Maj.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 20, 2023 9:32 pm

An audacious response at 9:07 pm.
If Ed Case is not trolling he is a throwback to 1936.

Private clubs could decide membership eligibility for all sorts of vague, spurious, or wrongful reasons, and it would earn somewhere between derision and at most a civil suit.
When you want to give special national policy-setting status and Constitutional recognition to that club you cannot in good conscience have racial inheritance as the membership criteria of that club.
I can’t believe I even have to say that in 2023, but here we are with the rank-and-file Internet trolls broaching the unthinkable and the top brass of politics failing to mention the obvious.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2023 9:34 pm

Dot:

So they want to lockdown harder, quicker and for longer (oh my) despite Sweden not doing lockdowns or mandatory masks?
Who had the best outcomes?

This isn’t about Health, Dot.
This is just another opportunity to kick Australia in the nuts.
…and they’ll keep doing it until we kick back harder.
We must start treating our Administrative State like the Fascist bullies they demonstrate themselves to be on every occasion they get.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:35 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:16 pm
Schmendrick:
Armstrong is just taking your money.
I could write better [tho still wrong] stuff by reading Rense, Anglin, and the
Wiki entry on Tris Speaker.

Head Case and a Suitable Case for Lots of Treatment. His Blog is free. And I have no idea about this Rense, Anglin, Wiki and Tris Speaker. Have you been on the piss again? Seems like it you T.W.A.T.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 20, 2023 9:35 pm

Alas! My comment shall shortly become a victim of the page turn.
Rather than ignite minds it will simply pay the ferryman.
In the wrong place at the wrong time.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 20, 2023 9:36 pm

‘He lives in Florida.’

On his ill-gotten earnings and new Greek philosopher-named scams, no doubt.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 20, 2023 9:39 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:36 pm
‘He lives in Florida.’

On his ill-gotten earnings and new Greek philosopher-named scams, no doubt.

LOL. Another misinformed Plonker. So many here.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 20, 2023 9:40 pm

Welcome to the top of this page.
On the previous page we had:
* jab mandate shenanigans,
* more Armstrong deconstruction and defense
* Devil’s advocacy for the Aboriginal Voice to Parliament.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 20, 2023 9:41 pm

We both recalled fried bread as one of life’s much maligned culinary delights.

See my comment earlier about how the British Empire came about…

pete m
pete m
January 20, 2023 9:44 pm

A brief sojourn to NZ, North Island over xmas new year was a pleasant little vacation.

Travelled ina camper van but stayed at large parks.

The scenery was worth the price. Nature is wonderful.

Some interesting things:

– dairy farms that bordered amazing beaches – mostly unheard here on the East Coast Aust.
– East Cape – only road to lighthouse now private so closed off to public – was a fun drive in a 7.4 m van along a dirt road beside a crashing wave – best sunrise views
– hot springs, mud pools, vents besides roads – just fun to be around
– price of dairy products extortionate – for that alone Kiwis should be rioting.
– so much untouched nature – very enjoyable after being in crowded cities etc.
– seeing sheep and cows in a park in middle of Auckland – trippy!

Arky
January 20, 2023 9:45 pm

An example of usage is not an analogy.
We were talking mandates. I gave examples of mandates. Not situations analogous to mandates.
An analogy might be to compare the definition of mandates to something different but which the interlocutor (erroneously) thought was similar, something like, say, a Venn diagram.
That would be an analogy, but a bloody piss poor one.
Whether or not something is a mandate has nothing to do whether the mandate is enforced upon somethings which can be defined as a subset of some other things.
But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 20, 2023 9:45 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 20, 2023 at 9:04 pm

At least that other serial scammer Paul Foster got to pork Samantha Fox.

They’ve both moved up a couple of weight divisions since then.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2023 9:45 pm

We flew into Heathrow to spend a nite in Richmond with Hairy’s brother and family before driving up here to Lancaster and Silverdale, on Morecambe Bay, a place where we have lived for six months on two occasions since 2006. The drive up was great in a brand new hired deep irredescent Royal blue Audi A5, which has power, but also the disadvantage of being very low set, and thus easy to bonk one’s head on bending down low into its sports design getting in and out of it. Worse than the igloo, I say to Hairy, more wary than I was about this one. Today we move onto a Countrty House hotel in Scotland so I can see some more reindeer, this time headless, as antlers only, stuck on Baronial hallways.

Heathrow was a nightmare, not for us with British passports, but for those from elsewhere, non EU, who faced an up to two-hour wait, a huge crowd of mainly ‘people of colour’: subcontinentals, middle eastern, South American and Asians awaiting entry from flights. A no-nonsense fellow travellor Brit at luggage collection, when I opined that was cruel to make travel-tired families with kids also wait, said this was a major trick place for illegal entry, so all visas had to be thoroughly checked. Hairy noted they don’t seem to do that for beached boat arrivals along the eastern seabord, and hearing the Aussie accent, said that he was all admiration for the way Australia had solved that problem.

Indolent
Indolent
January 20, 2023 9:46 pm
MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 9:46 pm

The Gucci bag reference is a …

wank

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2023 9:47 pm

Nice piece from the Speccie Online you put up about the sad case known as Prince Harry, Tinta.
I’ve just finished Tina Brown’s The Palace Papers, which is very good on how the Palace plays the media and also on how the deceitful and ruthlessly ambitious Ms. Markle, in the 35th year of her age, biological clock getting louder, very deliberately baited a hook for poor Harry when an opportunity arose during her already declared search for a ‘boyfriend’ triumph to cap her celeb ambitions.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2023 9:49 pm

We have just returned from a very British breakfast. The Full English

I was introduced to a “South African Bush Breakfast” a few years ago. Steak, sausages, eggs, bacon and toast. Set you up very well for the day.

Arky
January 20, 2023 9:49 pm

examples of mandatory, I should have said.

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 9:50 pm

But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.

Lol. Disagreeing with the idiot is to troll now.

1. Heavy duty protectionism.
2. Summary executions

all good.

Covid mandates? How dare they!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 20, 2023 9:52 pm

We arrived at Terminal 3 on Finair, not terminal five, where the wait is always reasonable. They direct flights full of people with ‘alien’ passports to terminal 3 now, although not flights from Australia and Canada, which go to five. That crowd of third world hopefuls was a shocking sight,coralled away watching others, mainly white, sail on through. I felt terrible.

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 9:55 pm

An example of usage is not an analogy.
We were talking mandates. I gave examples of mandates. Not situations analogous to mandates.
An analogy might be to compare the definition of mandates to something different but which the interlocutor (erroneously) thought was similar, something like, say, a Venn diagram.
That would be an analogy, but a bloody piss poor one.
Whether or not something is a mandate has nothing to do whether the mandate is enforced upon somethings which can be defined as a subset of some other things.
But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.

I am trying to talk logic with you, Arky. It appears I am falling on deaf ears. Oh well.

Zipster
January 20, 2023 9:59 pm

Oh look Ed Case hasn’t been here for about 2 hours.

he’ll be back full of bean any minute now, he’s checking out smutley’s prostrate masseuse

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 20, 2023 10:00 pm

Ivan Provorov’s jersey is now completely sold out on NHL Shop and Fanatics with the exception of extra smalls.

Nothing sexier when a girlfriend starts wearing your teams jersey or t-shirts.

Robert Sewell
January 20, 2023 10:01 pm

Dot:

The Public Health Acts is where this insanity stems from.

Correct.
And NONE of them have been repealed.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 20, 2023 10:06 pm

m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:11 pm
A vaccine can be mandated even if a person may avoid the mandate by taking the penalty of resigning from their job.
That IS the mandate. That IS the circumstance being mandated.

I had to draw a Venn diagram to show you that the mandate was industry-specific. You have ignored this diagram because it shows you my point, which you wish to reject because it invalidates your argument.

No, we are too busy laughing at that pathetic excuse for a Venn diagram.

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 10:07 pm

So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.

db, in October 2021 in Victoria (to use as a baseline), around 90% of people had had one jab and 70% two jabs. 10% is still a lot of people, not to mention 30% if you think two are what is really needed (as many did).

You may think “okay that’s enough, let ‘er rip” but that is not a decision made by a responsible leader. You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that. You have the luxury of being irresponsible and uncaring. A leader does not, if they want to be re-elected in a democracy.

The fact that Dan Andrews increased his parliamentary majority should put paid to any assertions that he did the wrong or immoral thing. The voters of Victoria are not mugs, they know the score.

Arky
January 20, 2023 10:08 pm

I am trying to talk logic with you, Arky.

..
We can’t get to anything as high end as logic when you can’t accept basic definitions.
You’re taking the piss.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:08 pm

it’s all rather python-esque … is a simile

when is a duck, not a duck? … may prompt you towards metaphor

you mongs are more ridiculous than The Life of Brian … now that, is an analogy

132andBush
132andBush
January 20, 2023 10:08 pm

So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.

No.
This is logic.

Apparently.

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 10:14 pm

MT, here’s the difference.

You are a clown. (metaphor)

You are as ridiculous as a clown. (simile)

Your seriousness is about the same level as a clown riding a unicycle juggling hamsters. (analogy)

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 20, 2023 10:15 pm

before he was briefed by Mark ‘Deep Throat’ Felt

Roger Stone has maintained his long held view that John Dean was Deep Throat.
And that Dean was the architect of the Watergate break-in because he’d been fed a story that evidence of his girlfriend being a hooker was there.
He was on Malice the other day telling the story again.

132andBush
132andBush
January 20, 2023 10:15 pm

Reposting.

132andBush says:
January 20, 2023 at 8:34 pm
Monty @9:31 last night.

For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time.
Text lifted from Monty’s “Venn” diagram

Jobs with jabs mandated
Now at 7:20 tonight.

You know how many people lost their jobs to being unvaxxed, among 25 million Australians? It would be measured in the tens of thousands at most (very generously), i.e. a minuscule, tiny fraction

You can’t even get your argument straight.
You should be able to do this before engaging.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:16 pm

watching the Australia Open and all the Russians have no flags
well, they’re white flags

such powerful messaging

… was mUnty a consultant here?

Zipster
January 20, 2023 10:18 pm

You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that.

I’ve had all 3 major strains including the original alpha and I am still alive. which f*ing wolves are you talking about???? the only ppl that needed protecting were the 70+ demographic. they knew it didnt prevent spread and didn’t prevent infection. they lied and lied and lied

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:19 pm

You are a clown. (metaphor)

wrong.

it’s a fact

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:21 pm

mUnty, you simpleton.

all three are proximately the same

you are playing word games trying not to look like an idiot

and failing

… also a fact

Zipster
January 20, 2023 10:21 pm

the vaxed have unwittingly become a massive incubator for new variants that are training to evade immunity.

well done, brilliant, a stroke of genius to attempt to vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a vaccine that didn’t sterilise.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 20, 2023 10:22 pm

And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK, keep in mind that Kennedy was balls deep in the South Vietnam…hmmm…change of management.
The Kennedy presidential library has been letting selected “historians” listen to the Kennedy Whitehouse tapes.
He was so cavalier about the way SV should be run/managed.
Every so often a heart broken JFK luvie turns up at the Hoover Institute attempting to thread the needle on why JFK was so great & why we should disregard what he on tape saying about South Vietnam.

Rabz
January 20, 2023 10:26 pm

Some thoughts on the Davros Dingbats (Currently engaged in their annual Hoedown), as convened (again) by their founder, Standartenführer Schwab.

They are out there and in our faces. The WEF (i.e. its convenors and its aims) is not some bizarre conspiracy hypothesis speculated wildly about by tin foil hatted marginalised odd bods, existing as the latter might be, off grid in the middle of nowhere while furiously scribbling equally incoherent manifestos of their own.
The WEF consider themselves to be the new nomenklatura.
They will harness any and all kinds of bizarre blanket (i.e. totalitarian) solutions to the many, many non existent problems they perceive to be “troubling” humanity – which of course, only they are capable of solving, complemented by their ability to unfailingly predict the future.
They love simple short slogans, such as:
You will own nothing
You will exist in a pod
You will eat the bugs
You will be happy …
They are purveying a future for humanity that would be infinitely worse than CCP style communism, a monstrous high tech form of feudalism that would make “1984” look like a libertarian seasteading free love sex colony as imagined/envisioned by Pol Dot, Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary and the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
Their immediate targets:
Cars
Meat
Electrickery
Private property
Privacy
Free speech
Free Thought
Free will

This is not a world (if it could be dignified with such a term) I want to exist in, Cats.

We must resist it with every fibre of our beings.

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 10:28 pm

I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.

Rabz
January 20, 2023 10:35 pm

Cats, it’s almost enough to make me accept that mighty tempting offer of “Guest Perfesser in Residency” at the Henry Kissinger Peace Academy … 😕

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 20, 2023 10:39 pm

I think it is marvellous of the host of a libertarian site to let all the vaxxies air their biovation as if they really believed in freedom.
Hypocrites with hides like hippos.
Feel free to try and prove me wrong.
I always like a good laugh.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 20, 2023 10:40 pm

And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK, keep in mind that Kennedy was balls deep in the South Vietnam…hmmm…change of management.

What’s been written in the past twenty years, with access to the North Vietnamese archives, shows that Ngo Dinh Diem came far closer to crushing the Viet Cong then he was ever given credit for. Granted, his methods were pretty ruthless, but the North Vietnamese couldn’t believe their luck at the “change of management.”

Rabz
January 20, 2023 10:41 pm

The Gucci bag reference is …

mUttley showing his lack of imagination (again) …

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:43 pm

I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt

oh, you sound so principled

do you allow randoms unfettered private access to your own kiddies, mUnty?

or do your idiot ethics have real-world bounds?

you shit-talker

cohenite
January 20, 2023 10:45 pm

I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.

The only floaties you’ve got dickless are on your fat arse.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 20, 2023 10:46 pm

I’m still disappointed that Putin didn’t lob a Nuke into Davos.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:48 pm

another clue mUnty

people like me won’t play your semantic games

but in the real world, you already know that

mind how you go

smile and shut up next time you’re invited to the kiddies birthday party in the park

… like you always do

calli
calli
January 20, 2023 10:53 pm

The beauty of a sunset over the Noosa river is inexpressible. The colours changing from vivid to a limpid milky softness, helped by a brief rain squall.

From my perch six floors up I spied a gondola and a wooden speedboat in quick succession – Venice in Oz. And people caught on the sand bar as the tide advanced racing to various boats and kayaks drawn up on the ever shrinking margins. Soon blackness, punctuated by the lights of a vessel navigating the channel, nothing more.

I was here in ‘71. Nothing but a few shacks. Tomorrow I will go to Hastings Street. I have been warned – it is a zoo. All those years ago it was a village with a few shops and a pub.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
January 20, 2023 10:56 pm

Rabz,
This Slovakian lady.
Is she hot?
Asking for a friend..

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 10:56 pm

ha ha
the Russian finished the Seppo

omg, and the white flag didn’t even make him surrender

the whole world should posture harder

clearly unacceptable mUnty … what should they do next?

calli
calli
January 20, 2023 10:58 pm

Davros Dingbats

Tee hee. Daleks the lot of them.

Rabz
January 20, 2023 11:05 pm

Is she hot?

Very. Spent most of Thursday chatting to her about various matters (apart from the WEF).

She’s 38 and looks about 28. Her English is impeccable with just the slightest accent (as opposed to my Slovakian, which is non existent). A classic quote:

“I never watch or listen to the news – it’s too depressing”

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 11:19 pm

clearly unacceptable mUnty … what should they do next?

Dunno, maybe cut his tits off? What’s your think here, Trans?

m0nty
m0nty
January 20, 2023 11:21 pm

Healthy 18-40 year olds

… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 11:28 pm

Dunno, maybe cut his tits off?

oh no

sorry punters

mUnty must have escalated the situation and gone higher up.

… now we have to deal with the Shit-Talker-In-Chief

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 11:29 pm

you’re another one JC

you’re so nice and simpering in real-life

mind how you go

you shit-talker

JC
JC
January 20, 2023 11:38 pm

I’m very nice to people who are nice, dickface. That changes when they’re not nice to me, you “simpering” drunk. I also don’t like blowhards. Here’s one example:

there are some forums where your’e like a god and people hang on yr every word.
parts of my little world are like that
I’m the old man
the oracle
the bloke that makes people shit themselves when I enter the room

What’s your thinking here, Trans? Blowhard much?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 20, 2023 11:39 pm

She’s 38 and looks about 28.

The Australian sun isn’t too kind to the ladies (or the blokes for that matter). Takes a bit of adjustment in the UK and Europe. Particularly when you had 3 generations out clubbing in Manchester. 10 pints of Guinness still couldn’t help deal with that.

MatrixTransform
January 20, 2023 11:44 pm

the bloke that makes people shit themselves when I enter the room

hope to meet you again in real life soon JC

I’d really like to shake your hand

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:01 am

Dover

I’m just thinking out loud here. This was the point I was trying to get to earlier. How do you think things would have worked out without a state mandate? I don’t know the answer other than having another government intervention in the workplace. The state could have instituted a regulation preventing employees from taking action over COVID. However, this would be as unrealistic as a fat boy suddenly becoming thin.
What do you think would have occurred in Australia without mandates? I’ll tell you what I think. There would have been a complete shitshow of lawsuits against employers on both sides. Let’s say a firm took the view that all employees needed to be vaccinated. Those that weren’t would have sued because their human rights were violated. Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if they were caught blaming it on an unsafe workplace.This is Australia this century, as little makes sense. In this case, either way, employers would have their rear ends handed to them. The only way things would work is if employees are employees at will.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:03 am

hope to meet you again in real life soon JC

I’d really like to shake your hand

The god oracle making threats, hey. Piss off you useless drunkard.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:05 am

Whoops, should read.
Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if someone caught covid blaming it on an unsafe workplace.

Arky
January 21, 2023 12:06 am
JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:11 am

Here’s Thought Leader making threats too. Wow.

This is the individual who goes to a the Good Doc’s home, eats his meals, drink his drink , asks to make videos, takes his entire family to his the docs home and then indirectly refers to the good Doc as a “idiot libertarian”. The Good Doc ran for the LDP as the Thought leader is aware. FMD. Class. 100 % class.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:16 am

Arky says:
January 21, 2023 at 12:06 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk

Perhaps in a court house over various stalking incidents.

Arky
January 21, 2023 12:17 am
Arky
January 21, 2023 12:40 am

JC says:
January 21, 2023 at 12:11 am
Here’s Thought Leader making threats too. Wow

..
I’m actually going to reply to you this once.
Nothing I post is directed at you.
I don’t read your comments generally. The ones directed at me are too full of vitriol to tolerate. I don’t want that stuff in my head.
I have NO ill will towards you despite your best efforts to make it so.
I think fondly of the great conversations we used to have and sad that you have gone this way.
I genuinely wish you all the best and every success. Always. Yes, MTs post made me think of that old song.
Not directed at you.
Nothing I write here or anywhere is at all ever, about you.
Please leave me out of it. I am not interested.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 12:55 am

I don’t believe anything you say because you’re an untrustworthy individual. The Doc one being one example of what an untrustworthy person you are. Many times you’ve posted comments to me or about me (indirectly). You have stalked me in the ways we both know, with the example of the voice mail incident being one.

Arky
January 21, 2023 1:10 am

I have no idea why you dislike and distrust me.
I don’t know what you are on about.
I think you worked yourself up into a fear over something I have no idea about early on, and it’s spiralled from there.
I have no inside information about you that I could imagine anyone else would find interesting or negative.
I think the most negative things about you are on display in your comments to people here.
I have repeatedly stood up for you. As late as last year suggesting that a mutual friend seek out your advice.
If you have something against me you should man up and broach the actual original thing.
I don’t hold grudges, it this over a year long and personal attack has sure strained that philosophy.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 21, 2023 1:22 am

It’s not just Rugby League with behavioural problems:
1. Rugby union star Kurtley Beale has been charged over an alleged sexual assault of a woman in a toilet in Sydney’s eastern suburbs last year. Refused bail.
2. Australian Olympian Peter Bol has been provisionally suspended after failing an out-of-competition drug test. Bol, who finished fourth in the 800 metres at the Tokyo Olympics, returned a positive result for the banned substance EPO.

Innocent until proven guilty in both cases.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 1:52 am

Oh, for lord’s sake! You posted comments of a private nature about me that could only have been gleaned in a private setting. You did it on two different occasions! You took sides over an issue that had zero to do with you. Even though you deny it, you’re continually making indirect comments directed against mine. You laughed when I blocked your number by leaving a voicemail. It’s not the first time you’ve menaced others with threats. To be honest, I don’t think those two links you left were for Transition.You’re also blind to the negativity of others. I did not strike up a conversation with Trans. He began to troll me, which he does every single time. As for vitriol, I made what would be reasonably considered a fair assessment of your comments to Monster. You cannot justify your opposition to lockdowns and COVID mandates when you’ve supported Duarte’s summary executions and hardcore protectionism. It then just becomes a case of weighing the COVID mandates and laws you prefer against those that you don’t. There is no vitriol there—just an example of highlighting inconsistencies.

Arky
January 21, 2023 1:59 am

You took sides over an issue that had zero to do with you.
..

I don’t know what you are referring to, but does this mean you expect friends to suppress their real opinions and you call this “honesty”?
I think you just provided a shit list that are not at all the heart of the original issue.
What is the original thing?
Seriously, what the FK is this all about?

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 2:12 am

“Suppressing  true opinions”? such as not participating in a non-topical argument that had nothing to do with you. This was the time you were carousing around like you owned the joint. But why focus on this? Why don’t you discuss the other matter dealing with your discussion with Monster? Why is it so vitriolic to raise glaring inconsistencies?

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:16 am

Why don’t you discuss the other matter dealing with your discussion with Monster?

..
Because it’s just the latest in a long line of you attempting to draw me into a discussion with you so I’m forced to endure yet more personal abuse and accusations.
I’m not playing.
If you want to address whatever it was that set you off down this path, we can do that.
Seriously, I have no idea where this “you are dishonest” “I can’t trust you” stuff comes from.
Either raise the original issue or I think that’s goodnight.

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:21 am

I’m going to take a guess at it.
When I moved your comment you took it to mean I was against you.
You took it personally.
I was at that time struggling with what to do with comments. It wasn’t ideal and I upset many people. But at least I was trying to contribute to this blog.

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:24 am

As for disagreeing politically, over the death penalty, etc, I will never, never, ever modify my true opinions as a sop to friendship.
Politics and friendship are separate.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
I don’t notice him responding with accusations of dishonesty.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 2:29 am

Because it’s just the latest in a long line of you attempting to draw me into a discussion with you so I’m forced to endure yet more personal abuse and accusations.
I’m not playing.
If you want to address whatever it was that set you off down this path, we can do that.
Seriously, I have no idea where this “you are dishonest” “I can’t trust you” stuff comes from.
Either raise the original issue or I think that’s goodnight.

I don’t care if neither you nor anyone else responds to a comment. Similarly, if you leave a comment, anyone has the right to respond.

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:31 am

Similarly, if you leave a comment, anyone has the right to respond.

..
Correct.
And I expect you will continue to respond to my comments with abuse and accusations of dishonesty.
And I will continue to not respond when you act that way.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 2:31 am

I’m going to take a guess at it.
When I moved your comment you took it to mean I was against you.
You took it personally.
I was at that time struggling with what to do with comments. It wasn’t ideal and I upset many people. But at least I was trying to contribute to this blog.

You’ve brought this up a few times. I don’t know why because I had no idea you moved a comment until you told me. In fact, I didn’t even comment about this.

JC
JC
January 21, 2023 2:34 am

As for disagreeing politically, over the death penalty, etc, I will never, never, ever modify my true opinions as a sop to friendship.
Politics and friendship are separate.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
I don’t notice him responding with accusations of dishonesty.

1. I’ve never once suggested you should change your views on any matter. I criticize them as they deserve lots of criticism but not once have I ever made such a suggestion. You’re yelling at windmills.

I didn’t say you were being dishonest on Monty issue. I said you were inconsistent.

Gabor
Gabor
January 21, 2023 2:36 am

I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.

Yes, you did, and you shall be proven wrong.
This conflict has nothing to do with the Chinese, and the outcome will neither hinder them nor encourage them.
You are reading it wrong, personal involvement never leads to a cold logical conclusion in politics or any affairs of men.

Gabor
Gabor
January 21, 2023 2:37 am

Sorry, I didn’t mean to butt in, couldn’t help.
Apologies.

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:40 am

Well, I guess it will just have to remain a mystery as to why you have levelled these accusations against me.
I guess I’ll never know, and you’ll never know what my response to it would be.
But it sure would have been better if you had responded to the voicemail, we could have had this completely non illuminating conversation months ago.

Arky
January 21, 2023 2:43 am

Gabor says:
January 21, 2023 at 2:36 am
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
Yes, you did, and you shall be proven wrong.
This conflict has nothing to do with the Chinese, and the outcome will neither hinder them nor encourage them.

..
I think the destruction of the Black Sea fleet will have caught their attention.
Whether it ultimately helps them or discourages them I’m not sure. I’m just being upfront that my immediate interest is with Taiwan, and I see the conflict through that lens.

Gabor
Gabor
January 21, 2023 2:51 am

Sooner or later, the Chinese will do something about Taiwan militarily.

Why they would do that is a mystery to me when the Taiwanese gov was very approachable for cooperation, maybe not reunification, a few years ago.
Besides, Taiwan was never a long term province of China anyway.
Must be an ego trip

Same as the South Koreans toward the North, but the North scuttled that reaching out, both economic and political too.
Ideology rules!

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2023 4:08 am

Gabor:

Sooner or later, the Chinese will do something about Taiwan militarily.
Why they would do that is a mystery to me when the Taiwanese gov was very approachable for cooperation, maybe not reunification, a few years ago.
Besides, Taiwan was never a long term province of China anyway.
Must be an ego trip

The Taiwanese government may have been approachable a few years ago, but then Hong Kong happened and they realised unification was just a bus stop on the road to the Camps for most of the Taiwanese population.
Had the CCP been more lenient in reducing Hong Kongs democratic traditions, Taiwan may have just fallen into its lap, but you cannot expect a Socialist government to act against its own ideological stance.

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2023 4:17 am

Germany, “standing atop a billion-dollar mountain of masks” purchased by the panicked Merkel government in 2020, begins to “thermally reprocess” (i.e., incinerate) the rapidly expiring surplus
Here.

MatrixTransform
January 21, 2023 5:29 am

making threats

fine … I wont shake your hand then

get some help you infantile tosser

https://kidshelpline.com.au/

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2023 6:04 am

The Preppers and Truthers have been busy overnight.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 6:55 am

And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK

Absolutely not.

He was a deeply flawed man. Before the Missile Crisis, my understanding is that he was viewed as a failure.

The idea that Oswald was the only shooter was silly and the hand waving away of evidence to the contrary is laughable. Back spasms as your brain tissue is destroyed. Made up by a trial lawyer. No doctor would agree to this crap.

Kennedy had so many enemies, Sam Giancana being the obvious one along with Castro.

“Oswald acted alone, for reasons unknown…” – simply absurd, like a blowjob from an intern “isn’t” “sexual relations” but that depends on what your definition of “is” is.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 21, 2023 8:15 am

m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 10:28 pm
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.

LOL, m0nty=fa calls his man-boobs “floaties”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 21, 2023 8:19 am

m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Healthy 18-40 year olds

… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.

But are they close to 30%? Try again.

Helen
Helen
January 21, 2023 3:50 pm

duk put up an excellent and definitive analysis of the JFK shooting a few weeks ago.

I can’t believe it is still being argued on the Cat, is it like the endless Japan should not have been bombed and OMG I cant believe I got the needless needle so must defend my lemming like behaviour (unless it was needed to keep your job to feed your kids and pay the mortgage) re runs?

It is like being in the bar and the beers keep coming. Is it the comfort of familiar conversations or purely the desire to save face by holding a position?

It is ground hog day over and over.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 21, 2023 4:08 pm

The fact that Dan Andrews increased his parliamentary majority should put paid to any assertions that he did the wrong or immoral thing. The voters of Victoria are not mugs, they know the score.

https://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg

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