Open Thread – Weekend 21 Jan 2023


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The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 21, 2023 12:02 am

Not just pode…. FOIST!!!

Rabz
January 21, 2023 12:05 am

Some pure pop – Miss Maggie and her Hollyweirdettes … 🙂

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 21, 2023 12:09 am

Not first

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 21, 2023 12:17 am

Also not first. This just came on the radio. Good to listen to while waiting for the offspring to finish at AO. Up to Medvedev, I guess…

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 21, 2023 12:19 am

Oh, it’s over. Not too long to wait, then. 🙂

Nelson_Kidd-Players
January 21, 2023 12:21 am

Now this.

Rossini
Rossini
January 21, 2023 12:38 am

The liliums have finally finished flowering.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 21, 2023 12:51 am

Club Grubbery keeps doing the interviews the mainstream media won’t touch.

Latest is a terminated nurse from Gympie. She has got a lot of information from FOIs in relation to granting of exemptions for Qld Health. 3 were for Vax hesitancy and 59 had no reason given. Only 50,000 of 123,000 had 3rd jab and by CHO definition considered unjabbed. Only 5,000 taken 4th jab.

Hoody has interviewed probably 10 nurses recently. A scandal that any should have lost their jobs.
But not to worry fastracking overseas applicants and getting in students still studying.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 21, 2023 1:09 am

From boss of Rebel News as quoted in Daily Mail. He and AVI doing great work in Davos.

“Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer, has never had an unscripted media interview in his life.

Until today.

We asked him 29 questions.

And he could answer none of them”.

JD
JD
January 21, 2023 1:21 am

Put some cheer to the Rabbit Year 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apPUGFib8X0

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 21, 2023 1:38 am

Wow, The Australian has an Inside Story on vaccine injury. Quite a bit of detail.

Comments open.

rosie
rosie
January 21, 2023 2:26 am

I have moved on.
I thought I was going to leave Rome without so much as a glimpse of the Colosseum but I caught the 75 bus which gave me a Cook’s Tour, the Pyramid, the Baths, the Colosseum, the Roman forum, Santa Maria Maggiore and all for €1.50.
Termini is much improved, while there are a few homeless around the large groups of New Italians I’ve observed every other time were gone, as were the kind gypsies offering to help you buy your ticket, upstairs now there are multiple food outlets not just one poor forlorn and you have to qr code your ticket to enter the departure area, no access for everyone any more.
The train was pretty crowded, I guess a lot of people were heading home for the weekend, including quite a few soldiers so the train was full.
It was pretty picturesque travelling south in the Lazio region, mountains on both sides, some snow on the higher ones, with clumps of clouds in the gaps and small towns creeping up the foothills.
Cassino is a bit of a bust, I think it must have been bombed flat, just like Monte Cassino because the station is now surrounded by squat modern five storey condomini. I’m sure they are far more comfortable that what was there before. I’m actually staying in one, just a neat little apartment with handy signs on the three internal doors ‘camera’ ‘toilette’ in case of visitor confusion.
I planned to catch the bus up to Monte Cassino which is clearly visible from the town but the bus never turned up and the weather had turned ugly so not going to bother, shall catch the early train to Naples tomorrow, it’s either that or tick off my hosts by arriving out of time.

rosie
rosie
January 21, 2023 2:27 am

And I have a nice big towel.
Exciting.

Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
January 21, 2023 4:11 am
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 21, 2023 5:06 am

thank you Tom

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 21, 2023 5:08 am

Lizzie love the travelogues I don’t like the cold so am enjoying the details from the warmer climes here on the days that are warm ???

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 21, 2023 5:10 am

the question mare supped to be clinking champagne flutes and a head of broccoli i.e. cheers and the best if health

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
January 21, 2023 5:27 am

Honouring forensic scientist Kirsty Wright who bravely took a stand
By JAMIE WALKER
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
@JamieWalkerOz
10:00PM JANUARY 20, 2023

When they came for Kirsty Wright, they came with teeth bared. The quietly spoken forensic scientist was called all manner of things she had never for a moment imagined herself to be: a turncoat, a tattletale, naive, dangerous.

But she didn’t flinch from doing the right thing then, and she doesn’t resile from it now that the dust has settled on the greatest scandal to engulf Australian ­forensic science and her central role in exposing it through this masthead.

Dr Wright risked her career, her reputation and financial ­security to work hand-in-glove with a team led by The Australian’s Hedley Thomas to uncover glaring failures at the Queensland government forensics laboratory that potentially allowed killers and rapists to escape justice.

Speaking from her Gold Coast home, the unassuming 46-year-old said: “I see this as recognition of the importance of speaking out and doing the right thing. You don’t have to be someone famous or someone special to do the right thing. I was just a normal person who found myself in a situation, with the skills I have, that I had an opportunity to really make some change and really help people.”

What began as an investigation by Thomas into the unsolved 2013 murder of north Queensland woman Shandee Blackburn lifted the lid on industrial-scale “scientific vandalism” that sabotaged DNA evidence for years and paved the way for a royal ­

commission-style inquiry to vindicate his work with Dr Wright.

In a scathing report last month, former Queensland Court of ­Appeal president Walter Sofronoff KC found victims of crime and the police were betrayed by “grave maladministration involving dishonesty” at the state forensics laboratory. Crime scene samples rich in DNA had been written off as having no evidentiary value, the retired judge said. He recommended the review of thousands of major crime cases reaching back more than a decade. Scientist in charge Cathie Allen had repeatedly lied and the cover-up was “about as big as it gets”.

Yet without Dr Wright, none of this would have come to light, editor-in-chief Michelle Gunn said in announcing our Australian of the Year. Worse still, violent criminals guilty of horrific offences could have continued to walk free.

“Dr Wright was a standout for this year’s award, favoured by both our readers and our senior editorial team,” Gunn said. “This is because she embodies values we all aspire to: honesty, integrity, and a determination to change things for the better.”

Dr Wright said the DNA ­debacle was the worst to rock Australia’s tight-knit forensic science community, surpassing the wrongful conviction of Lindy Chamberlain in 1982 for the murder at Uluru of her baby daughter, Azaria, on the basis of flawed scientific evidence.

As with the Chamberlain case, the abuses of process at the Queensland forensic lab should herald a shake-up in forensic ­testing centres nationwide, Dr Wright said.

The response from most of her peers and all the professional bodies? “Complete silence, deafening silence,” she said.

Not a peep from the National Association of Testing Authorities (NATA), which accredits forensics labs, nor an inquiring email or text from the Australian and New Zealand Forensic Science Society. Nothing from the National Institute of Forensic Science, either.

“They’re the three main forensic groups in Australia and not one of them has contacted me to ask either for clarification or more detail,” Dr Wright said. “What I was saying wasn’t just affecting Queensland; it was highlighting that there’s a critical gap in our national forensic science quality framework.

“The Queensland forensics lab was NATA-accredited. And if one lab is behaving like that, then it means other labs could also be behaving like that. So it’s extremely disappointing that there has been this radio silence.

She shouldn’t be surprised, though, given the obstacles she faced after being approached by Thomas in 2021 for help to ­research his Walkley-award winning podcast, Shandee’s Story.

The Australian’s national chief correspondent was trying to make sense of why blood and other ­samples collected at the murder scene in Mackay returned findings of “no DNA detected” when tested. How could that be when they had to be teeming with genetic markers?

Dr Wright was immediately intrigued. She had worked at the Brisbane laboratory for seven years until 2007, when a “bullying culture” imported with a change of management caused her to leave. But she respected many of the people who were still there, and they deserved the benefit of the doubt.

“I didn’t want to raise alarm bells, at least externally to begin with, because I knew that I really needed to check this out,” she said. “If I was wrong, that would be incredibly damaging to the Blackburns, to other victims of crime, and to the lab as well.”

A few nights later, with the rugby league telecast playing in the background at home, she was reading through a batch of documents and transcripts Thomas had put on a thumb drive when it clicked: the DNA profiling had to be off.

In this type of situation, it’s not unusual for someone like Dr Wright to take a step back in their dealings with an investigative journalist. Yes, I’ll assist. Just keep my name out of the story. In the trade, it’s called backgrounding.

By now, she was employed by the army as a senior forensic scientist, and that could have made things tricky for her. But from the outset she was determined to be on the record, come what may.

“If I was going to come out and make such serious claims and important claims, I wanted to own those claims,” she said.

“I think they’re much more legitimate if they come from a known source.”

Dr Wright secured clearance from her bosses to work with Thomas in her own time, and it soon became apparent that the mishandling of the Shandee crime scene samples was no anomaly.

The lab had introduced higher thresholds for DNA testing, evidently to save time and money, and the police weren’t awake to the implications. Samples that fell below the new limit were immediately written off as containing no DNA when, in fact, some 10 per cent of them could have generated an actionable genetic profile.

Dr Wright didn’t voice her concerns only through Thomas’s top-rating podcast and the masthead’s follow-up coverage; she shouted them into every microphone put her way. The official ­response was dismally predictable: shoot the messenger.

Mr Sofronoff documented a series of meetings involving senior managers to devise a strategy to go after Dr Wright.

“Action items” included approaching the Queensland University of Technology, where she is a visiting fellow, to discredit her. Legal action was flagged over an alleged violation of the Queensland Health code of conduct, even though she hadn’t worked for the department for years; a lab ­manager contacted the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission “to dig up dirt”, she said.

“I knew that I was risking my career, my reputation, my financial security and maybe even my safety,” she recalled.

“So it was ­really like taking a leap into the unknown – I didn’t know where I was going to end up.

“But there was no way after finding out what Hedley and I found out that we were going to stay quiet.”

Applauding Dr Wright’s principled decision to put the “public good” first, Mr Sofronoff wrote in his December 13 report: “In my opinion, her willingness to take a public stand was an act of real bravery.”

The full consequences for Ms Allen – facing the sack after being branded a “malignancy” by the commissioner – and at least two other adversely mentioned managers are yet to play out.

Ms Allen strenuously denies wrongdoing.

A key recommendation from the inquiry was to put the troubled forensic lab under a stand-alone agency, independent of state ­control. Dr Wright considers that to be a good start. She has recharged and reset over Christmas, enjoying sorely needed time on the beach with her inky Alsatian, Ava, and catch-ups with family and friends.

She will be watching what ­happens next in Queensland to implement the Sofronoff findings and in other jurisdictions, too, ­because the DNA testing scandal must never, ever be repeated. The message to her critics and peers alike is she is not going away.

“I call bullshit,” Dr Wright said of the forensic science community’s so-far muted response.

“I’m hoping I don’t have ­another battle on my hands. But if that is genuinely their position – to basically ignore what happened and hope it doesn’t happen again – then I’m going to step into the batter’s box for another round.”

NATA, the Australian and New Zealand Forensic Science Society and National Institute of Forensic Science were contacted for comment.

Now that’s courage – what a gal – didn’t break a nail, didn’t have to curtsey, wasn’t the darling of the media, tongue-bathed up the wazoo, but was literally, right up to her elbows in blood and guts and she took on the beasts in the bestiary and prevailed.

Of course the official Australian of the Year will probably be a maggot-farmer, which will be no surprise, given the current state of The Establishment

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2023 6:10 am

The Preppers and Truthers have been busy overnight.
Thankfully left on the dead fred.

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2023 6:19 am

Tinta:

The Australian’s national chief correspondent was trying to make sense of why blood and other ­samples collected at the murder scene in Mackay returned findings of “no DNA detected” when tested. How could that be when they had to be teeming with genetic markers?

A great story – I’ll certainly be following whatever comes of it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 6:21 am

Any news from the self-aware Big Website?
I need to know whether to close out my trading positions before the market closes.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 6:28 am

There are a range of events today around the world in support of Julian Assange.
Odd how John Lyons hasn’t had anything to follow up his Assange comments from almost a month ago.
Saying he was going to be released was quite the scoop.
If he wasn’t talking out his arse.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 6:57 am

Don’t buy anything Siemens makes.

Great Reset: Siemens Chairman Calls for ‘Billion People to Stop Eating Meat’ at World Economic Forum (20 Jan)

Danish businessman and chairman of the German manufacturing giant Siemens, Jim Hagemann Snabe pushed the Great Reset agenda of replacing meat with synthetic proteins at a “Mobilizing for Climate” panel at the annual globalist meeting in Davos, Switzerland on Wednesday.

“If a billion people stop eating meat, I tell you, it has a big impact. Not only does it have a big impact on the current food system, but it will also inspire innovation of food systems,” Snabe said, adding: “I predict we will have proteins not coming from meat in the future, they will probably taste even better.”

The World Economic Forum has also been at the forefront of the meat-free future movement, arguing that people should opt for more “climate beneficial foods” such as algae, seaweed and cacti.

I suspect with the energy crisis in Germany his company will be cactus long before the rest of us are forced to eat cacti.

Zipster
January 21, 2023 7:05 am

“If a billion people stop eating meat, I tell you, it has a big impact.

fify

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 21, 2023 7:08 am

Our future captains. Hun:

A third of Australians aged 15 to 24 identify as LGBTQIA+, while more males than females want to get married and have children and a surprising amount say they have a disability.

One in five say they never party, while 40 per cent say they party less than once a month, an exclusive News Corp survey has revealed.

Despite the amount of time young people appear to spend on their phones, more than one in 10 read books every day.

The results of the Big Youth Survey contradicts many stereotypes.

One of the greatest surprises is how many of that age group identify as LGBTQIA+, which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, asexual and more.

The figure was 32 per cent, with an additional five per cent preferring not to say.

That number rises to 34 per cent when just looking at the 18 to 24 age group category.

That’s up from 15 per cent in 2020, according to Year13, which undertook this latest survey on behalf of News Corp.

Saxon Phipps, co-founder of Year13, which helps young people transition from school to work or further education, said they consistently find between a quarter and a third of people they survey identify as LGBTQIA+.

He said while the number moves around it bit with each survey, “the general trend over the past few years has been upwards in LGBTQIA+ identification”.

“Gen Zs are more informed about these different sexual orientations and gender identities than previous generations were at the same age who might’ve denied it, kept it secret or just have simply been unaware of it,” Mr Phipps said.

Child psychologist Dr Kimberley O’Brien said she had seen a rise in clients identifying as LGBTQIA+, with many wanting to be referred to as “they or them”.

“We are being more sensitive to these pronouns,” Dr O’Brien, who runs The Quirky Kid Clinic, said.

“I’m not surprised by these numbers. Every fifth report I write is about gender.”

Full-time TikTokers Taz Zammit and Alessia Allfree set up their account @tazandalessia in 2020 as friends, but then fell in love.

Their romance has unfolded online and many of their 527,000 TikTok followers identify as LGBTQIA+.

Most are in the Gen Z age bracket – under 24 – and the Melbourne couple say that cohort is more open to “different ways to love someone”.

“Our followers are queer and heterosexual,” Ms Allfree, 25, said. “But, in general, the queer community on TikTok is really strong. We’re supported.”

Ms Zammit, 28, said seeing different relationships online from a young age has given people the confidence to “live a life to be most true to them”. They said the queer community grew massively during Covid, due to being exposed to more online content.

The pair hope they are helping too, by normalising the idea of a relationship between two women.

Meanwhile, the idea that girls dream and plan their weddings from when they are little is well and truly over, with just 67 per cent of females saying they want to get married, compared with nearly three quarters of males.

When it comes to kids, the traditional gender stereotypes have reversed, with more males hoping to become a parent one day (67 per cent), compared with 61 per cent of females.

Year13 co-founder Will Stubley said it was surprising, but what the data shows is that it’s young LGBTQIA+ females driving this difference – of the young females who said they don’t want to have children, two thirds of them identify as being LGBTQIA+.

Dr O’Brien said the idea of girls leaving school, getting married and having a child is now old-fashioned while, at the same time, boys see a lot more males playing a fatherly role with their kids in the playground or the beach.

The survey also found that just under 13 per cent of respondents have a disability, compared with the 2021 Census result which reported a lower figure of 9.3 per cent for that age group.

More than six in 10 say they know what career they want to go into.

While around three quarters of the 1367 – surveyed across all the states and territories – plan to go to or are already at university.

Meanwhile, more than 18 per cent believe they will never achieve the Australian dream of buying their own property.

Mr Phipps said Year13’s research found teenagers were more optimistic of being able to buy a home, but that dropped off by the time they reached the age of 20, with 29 per cent saying they’ll rent for life.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 21, 2023 7:13 am

Bonus Bob Moran toon.

Zipster
January 21, 2023 7:15 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 7:24 am

Nice to see a bit of reality in a newspaper, in this case the New York Post.

The costly stupidity of the recycling religion (19 Jan)

Years ago, science writer John Tierney wrote a New York Times Magazine story, “Recycling Is Garbage.” It set a Times record for hate mail. But what he wrote was true.

“It’s even more true today,” Tierney tells me. “Recycling is an industry that uses increasingly expensive labor to produce materials that are worth less and less.”

Putting garbage in landfills is often much cheaper than recycling. My town would save $340 million a year if it just stopped recycling.

But it won’t, “because people demand it,” says Tierney. “It’s a sacrament of the green religion.”

The religion’s commandments are complex. New York City orders me to: “Place recyclables at the curb between 4 p.m. and midnight. … Rinse plastic containers. … Separate paper from plastic, metal, and glass.” Paper must be tied “with twine into bundles no taller than 18 inches,” and so on.

“That’s one reason recycling fails,” says Tierney. “It’s so complicated; people never learn the rules.”

Worse, some recycling is pointless or harmful. “If you rinse a plastic bottle in hot water,” Tierney points out, “the net result is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than if you threw it in the garbage.”

It’d be really really nice, Mr Murdoch, if NYP’s stablemates the Oz, Hun and Tele were to locally reprint this story. Please.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 7:28 am

This updated lists function on twitter is replicating youtube playlists.
Pretty cool, especially as they plan to extend the length of videos that can loaded.
But I wonder why Jack didn’t roll this out a million years ago as soon as he saw youtube doing it.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 7:29 am

The lab had introduced higher thresholds

This isn’t a scandal. An analogy would be restricting PCR cycles for COVID testing to 35 cycles.

The Australian’s national chief correspondent was trying to make sense of why blood and other ­samples collected at the murder scene in Mackay returned findings of “no DNA detected” when tested. How could that be when they had to be teeming with genetic markers?

That’s a seemingly reasonable question. It points to samples being mishandled or incompetence, not the thresholds being an issue.

The scandal seems to be someone there is incompetent and cannot be fired.

a lab ­manager contacted the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission “to dig up dirt”, she said.

How on earth can you prove this?

Of course the official Australian of the Year will probably be a maggot-farmer, which will be no surprise, given the current state of The Establishment

Get rid of the stupid award.

Zipster
January 21, 2023 7:29 am

Year13 co-founder Will Stubley said it was surprising, but what the data shows is that it’s young LGBTQIA+ females driving this difference – of the young females who said they don’t want to have children, two thirds of them identify as being LGBTQIA+.

entitled, delusional, narcissistic and above all profoundly stupid

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 21, 2023 7:30 am

Further to the Hun report:

Females feeling empowered in 2023 could be why they’re no longer focused on marriage and kids.

“The glass ceiling is not that much of a thing anymore, and I think girls want to see how far they can go,” uni student Jessica Saunders, 19, said.

Her friend Piper Harrison, 20, said that perhaps marriage and kids might happen for her one day, but it wasn’t something she placed a lot of importance on right now, saying she was more interested in her sport and career.

Only Sophie Walters, 19, out of the trio said marriage and children was one of her goals.

Meanwhile, pals Luke Harrison and Grant Tucker, both 20, said they wanted families of their own one day.

“I’ve always known I wanted kids,” Mr Tucker said. “Guys are really goal driven. I want to get a good job and have a family and provide for them.”

Mr Harrison said girls want to have a career and not just be a housewife anymore.

“My sister is more career minded than me,” he said.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 7:32 am

Meanwhile, the idea that girls dream and plan their weddings from when they are little is well and truly over, with just 67 per cent of females saying they want to get married, compared with nearly three quarters of males.

When it comes to kids, the traditional gender stereotypes have reversed, with more males hoping to become a parent one day (67 per cent), compared with 61 per cent of females.

Yep, women don’t want to get married. Not until they are 40 year old single mothers. Then you have really insidious shit like “starter husbands”.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 21, 2023 7:33 am

This kid gets it. The last part of the report:

“I’ll never be able to afford to buy a house,” has become a catchphrase for many young Australians.

But it is possible to make that dream come true, says Billy Drury, 20, who bought his first property at 18, without any financial help from anyone.

In 2021, he purchased a $631,000 one-bed unit, with a study, in one of Sydney’s priciest suburbs, Mosman.

He saved every single cent of his $30,000 deposit himself, as well as another $5000 dollars for extras.

“I am not from a family that comes from money, there was no contribution from my parents,” Mr Drury said.

“I started work in an ice-cream shop when I was 14 and I would find lost balls on the golf course, clean them up and sell them back.”

At the age of 16, he was juggling three part-time jobs and saving around $500 – or 80 per cent of his pay packet – a week

“I was working 15 to 20 hours a week on top of school,” Mr Drury said.

“School was not my thing. I got a 75 ATAR, but I knew I never wanted to go to uni, I was more interested in seeing dollars in the bank.”

He said he knew if he didn’t invest 100 per cent in his studies he had to justify that by buying a house.

He is now working for Novak, a real estate agency, and is saving to buy a second property.

Mr Drury said he lived in the property to start with but is now renting it out and is back home with his parents, doing extra shifts as a lifeguard on top of his full-time job, while he saves.

He said while he could just about afford his mortgage repayments, which have increased from $2300 to $3040 a month, he wants to set himself up first by saving and buying another property instead.

The survey found those who say they will rent forever is higher for those living in NSW and Victoria, 20 per cent and 21 per cent respectively.

Queenslanders are a little bit more optimistic, with 19 per cent saying they will probably rent for life, while those in South Australia are most positive about their chances of getting their foot on the property ladder, with 88 per cent believing they will be able to buy one day.

Zipster
January 21, 2023 7:33 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 7:35 am

Yep, women don’t want to get married. Not until they are 40 year old single mothers. Then you have really insidious shit like “starter husbands”.

Good story in the weekend Oz about IVF.
It’s a Rorschach test.
I am horrified how many couples are tricked into IVF not knowing the stats.
Others will be filled with awe.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 7:38 am

Mr Drury said he lived in the property to start with but is now renting it out and is back home with his parents, doing extra shifts as a lifeguard on top of his full-time job, while he saves.

He said while he could just about afford his mortgage repayments, which have increased from $2300 to $3040 a month, he wants to set himself up first by saving and buying another property instead.

His grandparents could have a house, two cars, three kids and a bedroom free from anyone parents or in-laws on one income.

Until his income significantly improves, he’s doing this until he’s 49.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 21, 2023 7:46 am

We are in the grip of idiocy; you encounter it everywhere, from the ravings of climate lunatics about the world getting uninhabitably hot to the denials of biological reality by gender cranks, to the manufactured lies that pass as education, to the delusion that the senile President Biden is some sort of leader.

Over at Quadrant

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 7:54 am

Roger Stone has maintained his long held view that John Dean was Deep Throat.
Roger Stone is a Spook.
Henry Kissinger is Deep Throat, so named because of his predilection for cocksucking.
And that Dean was the architect of the Watergate break-in because he’d been fed a story that evidence of his girlfriend being a hooker was there.
That’s misdirection too.
All the White House Plumbers, apart from G. Gordon Liddy, were CIA.
As Nixon said to one of his confidantes at the time, it all goes back to The Bay Of Pigs.

132andBush
132andBush
January 21, 2023 7:56 am

But it is possible to make that dream come true, says Billy Drury, 20, who bought his first property at 18, without any financial help from anyone.

Sounds like my son.
Electrician
Two houses With the one he lives in being renovated.
Share portfolio.
Has trekked the K2 base camp among other things on overseas trips.
Has a Rick and Mordy picture on his wall with the quote “School is not a place for smart people”.

Turns 25 this year.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 7:56 am

Good story in the weekend Oz about IVF.
It’s a Rorschach test.

Huh?
Do you mean it’s an IQ Test?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 7:59 am

Tucker: CIA Took Down Nixon Because He Wanted to Know Who Killed Kennedy, Woodward was Intel Plant

Tucker:
Intel Plant.
Tucker’s old man:
Career CIA.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 8:00 am

Two houses With the one he lives in being renovated.

Tradies who renovate their principal place of residence are gods amongst men.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 8:02 am

It’s such a huge creator of equity.

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2023 8:02 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 8:03 am

Tax free equity creation.

Uurghhhhhh….

h/t Homer Simpson

Zipster
January 21, 2023 8:03 am

girls want to have a career and not just be a housewife anymore.

sold a dead pup

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 21, 2023 8:03 am

Morn all. Sitting on QF753 atm gassing my way to Brisbane. Pity looks like a beautiful day out the window. Next leg is on a DHC8, more room but less mod cons like wifi.

I see during the week the chickens are starting to come home to roost for Albo’s gas & coal policies. He has reacted accordingly by setting the regulators on them. LOL ACCC’s track record hasn’t been too good so we’ll see if it is bluff.

Hope all here have a good day…

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:05 am

Sounds like my son.

I hope not. That poor kid took on too much debt and if mortgage rates rise to 8%, he’s ruined. Is he on IO or P&I? What’s he going to do, work 100 hours a week? For how long?

Your son is far better off.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 8:05 am

Turns out we have a pretty little totalitarian at Davos:

Michael Knowles@michaeljknowles
“Safety by Design” might be the biggest tech threat you’ve never heard of. The World Economic Forum, the Australian Government, and a radical bureaucrat named Julie Inman Grant are using it to impose their woke ideology onto the internet for everyone worldwide. Here’s how:
4:04 AM · Jan 19, 2023

She is our eSafety Commissioner, and yes she regards righties as a threat who must be muzzled.

The tweet is part of a thread which explains what “Safety By Design” is. Worthwhile to read the whole thread. Hat tip to this guy, who has a long and excellent rant today, which ZH has picked up:

World Economic F*ck’em (21 Jan)

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 21, 2023 8:08 am

Haven’t had Cassie’s 7.30am musings as yet. I trust she is getting her eye in

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 21, 2023 8:10 am

Safety by design is an Australian export on par with buy now pay later.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:10 am

Karen Inman Grant.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 21, 2023 8:12 am
132andBush
132andBush
January 21, 2023 8:12 am

Your son is far better off.

Just read those other bits of the article.
Yes he is.
Lives in a large country town with a diverse ag base.

132andBush
132andBush
January 21, 2023 8:13 am

Things getting pretty tense between Crowder and DW.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2023 8:14 am

Special Ed doing any test, “it’s either a spook or a flamer”, mmmm. It’s never the first thing I think of. Flamer, right. I, I, I got this one, definitely a flamer. Oh, not a spook either. Must be a spook and a flamer. Special Ed, the answer is 42. What was the question again. “What is the number after 41”.

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 8:16 am

“She is our eSafety Commissioner, and yes she regards righties as a threat who must be muzzled.”

Appointed and reappointed by a Liberal National Coalition government.

The always erudite Peter Hitchens, who never minces words about the state of conservatives, in the above link posted by Zipster, says “conservatives don’t think”. I think Hitchens is being way too nice and polite, conservatives, be they Tories in the UK or Liberals here, are both stupid and lazy, a toxic combination.

My visceral loathing for the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison years knows no bounds.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:17 am

That Julie Inman Grant women needs to be ejected out of her Commonwealth salary and financially ruined.

She’s a literal threat to our democratic way of life.

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 8:19 am

“That Julie Inman Grant women needs to be ejected out of her Commonwealth salary and financially ruined.

She’s a literal threat to our democratic way of life.”

Ahhh yes, but as I said above, appointed by Coalition governments.

Is anyone here able to provide me with a good reason to vote Liberal again?

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2023 8:20 am

Regarding the UK doctors speaking out item above, various links are given to the presentation but perhaps the best one (which is working now) is the Press Release.

This is a serious of short clips of multiple frontline doctors talking about their personal experiences with the vaccine and is only 18 minutes long in total.

If ever there was a tool to red pill people, this is it. I’m sure every effort is being made to suppress it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 8:21 am

David Crosby died.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 8:24 am

Is anyone here able to provide me with a good reason to vote Liberal again?

Should read:
Is anyone here able to provide me with a good reason to vote Liberal for the first time evah?

Wait another 12 months, at which time you’ll be collecting twigs to make a fire to cook up a dead possum you found on the road, and ask that question then.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 21, 2023 8:25 am

m0nty
January 20, 2023 at 10:28 pm
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.

LOL, m0nty=fa calls his man-boobs “floaties”.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 21, 2023 8:28 am

The Preppers and Truthers have been busy overnight.
Thankfully left on the dead fred.

Thanks for the tip, will take a look

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:29 am

Wait another 12 months, at which time you’ll be collecting twigs to make a fire to cook up a dead possum you found on the road, and ask that question then.

Yes, Peter Dutton is going to save me.

What a sick joke.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2023 8:31 am

The Tradies who were working up the road have sold their doer upper that was round the road further. Brought the place across the road. Principal place of residence for one of them. Good on them. They got started on it yesterday. Filled a skip by 3pm. Another one already dropped off by the time I’d been to bunnings. From what I know about my own kids and their friends the future is not as bad as many of us think. They’re all into families and management earning good money and not having too big a bite of the apple. I notice a move to conservative values creeping in.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:34 am

I wish no harm but I have seen the other side of it.

Recession time. House renovation.

Bricklayers coming to our front door at 7:30 as Dad is dressed for work, about to have breakfast and he has to turn them down.

Cap in hand, they were knocking on our front door for cash work below the minimum wage.

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2023 8:34 am
Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:36 am

Avi interviewed Greta.

Why? She should be ignored. Does anyone take her seriously?

Do 13, 14 …20 year olds take her seriously, unless they’re also retarded?

The theory is she gets to the “yoof”, other than impressing primary school chillins’ I can’t see any merit in this fat little arsehole’s act.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 8:38 am

Indolent says:
January 21, 2023 at 8:02 am
Inside Pfizer and AstraZeneca’s UKRAINIAN BIOLAB!

Is that why the Biden admin is all in on the Ukrainian war? It would not look good if Putin’s army got a hold of the labs and made the details public.

I bet Biden is now regretting that “minor incursion” permission.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 8:40 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/10f8zk9/gretas_fake_arrest_wins_all_the_reddit_points_i/

Smiling while being handcuffed and carried by police – the absolute height of white privilege.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 8:40 am

“School was not my thing. I got a 75 ATAR, but I knew I never wanted to go to uni, I was more interested in seeing dollars in the bank.”

An interesting article from Epoch Times that has also been repeated over at ZH:

The Great Dropout: Why 1.4 Million Children Left Public Schools In 2020 And Where They Went (20 Jan)

Over a million children left public schools in 2020, a migration that came on the heels of school lockdowns and masking requirements, and was hastened by increased parental dissatisfaction with K-12 education.

In many cases, the disruption in learning due to COVID-19 policies was the catalyst many parents needed to make the jump away from public schools to charter schools, private schools, and homeschooling.

Based on recent enrollment figures and the comfort many parents express with their decision to opt out of public schools, it appears the missing millions will not return.

Parents were seeing what public schools are teaching because of the Zoom lessons, and they were red-pilled into getting their kids out of them. I suspect the lockdowns helped by reducing the concern about children being taken away from their circles of friends at school, since the lockdown was doing that already, so it would’ve then been easier to move over to a better schooling option. And some of the older ones were dropping out entirely and getting jobs like young Mr Drury.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 21, 2023 8:43 am

I can give you a good reason to vote SFL Cassie. They’re not as bad as the Liars. Sorry Cassie, I lied. There can be no credible government in the foreseeable future. I fear I will never see one again in my lifetime no matter how long I live.

sfw
sfw
January 21, 2023 8:47 am

Watched the film of ‘Atlas Shrugged’, last night. Amazingly bad, whoever did the screenplay must have known that the film would star unbelievably bad actors and delivered a script to match their talents.

The filming is good, the sets good and overall the pic is good to look at. The acting is piss poor. Why the director didn’t just abandon the film is a mystery.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 8:49 am

Zipster says:
January 21, 2023 at 8:03 am
girls want to have a career and not just be a housewife anymore.
sold a dead pup

Not just sold a dead pup but completely miseducated. There are many books and articles written by ageing feminists who decided to have a family in their 40s and then found they couldn’t. The girls don’t read anything that isn’t on Twitter or Instagram so they don’t know what awaits them.

Their teachers are all into climate change, global warming and QWERTY so who would inspire them to read beyond that?

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 8:49 am

“Why? She should be ignored. Does anyone take her seriously?”

I agree…..she should be ignored.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 21, 2023 8:50 am

Cassie

I think Hitchens is being way too nice and polite, conservatives, be they Tories in the UK or Liberals here, are both stupid and lazy, a toxic combination.

It could be worse. They could be stupid and energetic (like the Slime). Think of the damage they could do then.

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 21, 2023 8:51 am

Hopefully, the lede was deliberately crafted to highlight the absurdity.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 8:53 am

Our education systems are broken, girls are miseducated and the boys are mostly ignored. Sort of a reverse Taliban education policy.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2023 8:53 am

Warren Brown. Still laughing.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2023 8:55 am

Boags tell us that beer sales are down.
THAT is a temperature proxy. People drink beer in hot weather.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 21, 2023 8:55 am

A lady was throwing a party for her granddaughter and had gone all out – a caterer, band, and a hired clown.

Just before the party starts, two bums show up looking for a handout. Feeling sorry for the bums, the woman told them that she would give them a meal if they will help chop some wood for her out back. Gratefully, they headed to the rear of the house.

The guests arrived and all was going well with the children having a wonderful time. But the clown hadn’t shown up. After a half an hour, the clown finally called to report that he’d had a family emergency and would not make the party at all.

The woman was very disappointed and unsuccessfully tried to entertain the children herself. She happened to look out the window and saw one of the bum’s doing cartwheels across the lawn. She watched in awe as he swung from tree branches, did mid-air flips, and leaped high in the air.

She spoke to the other bum and said “What your friend is doing is absolutely marvellous. I have never seen such a thing. Do you think your friend would consider repeating this performance for the children at the party? I will pay him $50!”

The other bum says “Well, I dunno. Let me ask him”.

“HEY WILLIE! FOR $50, WOULD YOU CHOP OFF ANOTHER TOE?”

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 21, 2023 8:56 am

I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.

– Noel Coward

sfw
sfw
January 21, 2023 8:57 am

I know the Kennedy assasination was rehashed here a week or two ago. For most of my life I’ve been on the ‘Oswald alone’ group. Now I’m really beginning to wonder. Tucker Carlson wouldn’t be saying this without a good source.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/tucker-cia-took-nixon-wanted-know-killed-kennedy-woodward-intel-plant/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:02 am

I can give you a good reason to vote SFL Cassie. They’re not as bad as the Liars

Unless you are looking at an Abbott and R-G-R situation this isn’t getting the Lieborals anywhere near the Primary Vote needed to form government. To say they are on a losing streak is self evident. NSW next.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 21, 2023 9:02 am

Disagree about modern teenagers. I was working with a lot for the last five years, and they in general are a realistic bunch. The QWERTY stuff is just a fashion, and most get out of it by their mid-20s.

Overall they are realistic, and want what most of us wanted: a good job, a stable relationship, financial security, and a family.

One of the funniest things I saw was Thunberg’s famous speech played to a bunch of high achievers by a woke teacher, who then asked them for comments. There was a bit of a silence, and one of the brightest put his hand up, and said: “Well she doesn’t really know anything – she has no qualifications. It would be just as if one of us said it – why should anyone listen?”

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 21, 2023 9:03 am

the disruption in learning
I hate it when smart people use stoopid words… in particular “learning” when they mean to say “education”. “Education” is a solid noun with solid goals, “learning” is an endless intransitive verb which is normalising an endless static sit-down thief of time.

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2023 9:05 am

The UnZud Prime Ministership is a poisoned Chalice.

Only one dweeb threw his hat into the ring. Lol!

bons
bons
January 21, 2023 9:08 am

SFW. Good review of Atlas Shrugged. The movie is obviously as bad as the book that we were all supposed to admire for its ideological purity.
It was just silly.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:08 am

The UnZud Prime Ministership is a poisoned Chalice.
Only one dweeb threw his hat into the ring. Lol!

So just like the Brisbane Olympics? It wasn’t Zac Kirkup again by any chance?

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2023 9:11 am

HB Bear,
some twat called “Chippy”.

132andBush
132andBush
January 21, 2023 9:11 am

Is anyone here able to provide me with a good reason to vote Liberal again?

Monty could.

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2023 9:15 am
calli
calli
January 21, 2023 9:16 am

“The homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only – and that is to support the ultimate career. ” – C.S. Lewis

There is nothing more rewarding. Not even close.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 9:16 am

Ayn Rand’s best writing is Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

Her best fiction is The Fountainhead.

The Simpsons did a good job of it, calling out Lisa as a left wing loon.

..and yes, that was Jodie Foster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZN16SUWjeg

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:16 am

Chuppy?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 9:18 am

Tucker Carlson wouldn’t be saying this without a good source.
It’s Disinfo.
The truth about Woodward has been common knowledge for at least 25 years.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 21, 2023 9:21 am

I for one wouldn’t mind donning the stoopid feather cloak of Kween Kiwi for a couple of months. As a left draft of course.
-independent media might flog me, but the Most Secure Media would carry the water
-only one chamber of reps to keep the reins tight on, and the margin might not be so dire that half the chumps wouldn’t fear losing their seats in the election after this years’
-only three years to the next election

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 21, 2023 9:23 am

Black Ball says:
January 21, 2023 at 7:08 am

Our future captains. Hun:

The results of the Big Youth Survey contradicts many stereotypes.

One of the greatest surprises is how many of that age group identify as LGBTQIA+, which stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, asexual and more.

The figure was 32 per cent, with an additional five per cent preferring not to say.

That number rises to 34 per cent when just looking at the 18 to 24 age group category.

That’s up from 15 per cent in 2020, according to Year13, which undertook this latest survey on behalf of News Corp.

Black Ball,

in Melbourne week before last, 13yr Granddaughter said 25% of her School Class identify as Lesbian or Trans – she was fairly scathing and agrees with views of Netflix Wednesday

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:23 am

The CIA have been running Special Ed for years.

132andBush
132andBush
January 21, 2023 9:28 am

I think Hitchens is being way too nice and polite, conservatives, be they Tories in the UK or Liberals here, are both stupid and lazy, a toxic combination.

No.
They are all posturing, infantile grifters.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 9:29 am

sfw says:
January 21, 2023 at 8:57 am
I know the Kennedy assasination was rehashed here a week or two ago. For most of my life I’ve been on the ‘Oswald alone’ group. Now I’m really beginning to wonder. Tucker Carlson wouldn’t be saying this without a good source.

I was shocked when I saw that yesterday. He must have got at least the Fox lawyers’ OK even if he didn’t check with the Murdochs.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 9:29 am

BIG, IF TRUE!

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 21, 2023 9:29 am

If the only flu shot this year is mRNA with both covid and the flu, no more flu shots for me!

There is nobody alive at this point who could possibly ignore the dangers of the mRNA COVID shots. Rather than taking them off the market and immediately investigating who knew what and when, the same companies are now filing with the FDA to immediately introduce more mRNA shots into the market. They will immediately be championed by every county and state health department and promoted by every pediatrician until they’re in the arms of every newborn baby. The mRNA flu and RSV shots are just around the corner, and if states do not place legal barriers to their release, they could possibly do even more damage than the COVID shots, if that is even possible.

Moderna is so brazen and shameless that even as millions are suffering from their first mRNA shot, the company is announcing that its new RSV mRNA shots are … you guessed it … 84% effective. Well, judging by the COVID shot that they said was 94% effective from day one but in fact is now suffering from a bout with negative efficacy, we can only imagine how “safe and effective” a jab that is advertised as “only” 84% effective might be. Pfizer’s Albert Bourla also announced the company will have an mRNA flu shot out in June or July and then another combo coronavirus/flu shot based on an mRNA platform sometime later in the year.

After Moderna leaked the top-line results of its own in-house study (no third-party studies needed, of course), Stephane Bancel, the company’s CEO, told CNBC at Davos that the company was able to complete all three phases of the RSV vaccine clinical trial in just one year (instead of six to eight years) and will now file for expedited approval with the FDA so that it’s on the market for this coming fall. A nice follow-up to his revelation that the company already worked on the COVID vaccine before the virus had a name!

https://www.conservativereview.com/horowitz-states-must-place-a-five-year-moratorium-on-mrna-vaccines-2659287274.html?utm_source=cr-weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CR%20Weekly%202023-01-20&utm_term=ACTIVE%20-%20Weekly%20Daily%20Combined

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 9:32 am

Tucker Carlson…

“When people nobody voted for run everything, you are not living in a free country”.

Tucker was speaking of the USA, but it applies equally here in Oz and in the UK.

I think it’s time people took their democracy back.

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2023 9:34 am

Zipster:

Year13 co-founder Will Stubley said it was surprising, but what the data shows is that it’s young LGBTQIA+ females driving this difference – of the young females who said they don’t want to have children, two thirds of them identify as being LGBTQIA+.

entitled, delusional, narcissistic and above all profoundly stupid

…and on their way to become the example that parents point to in the street – “See that old woman with 43 cats? She used to be a Lesbian when it was all the rage, now she wishes she’d just settled for Mr Pretty Good, instead of a Billionaire because that was what she was entitled to. Don’t be like her.”

Indolent
Indolent
January 21, 2023 9:34 am
P
P
January 21, 2023 9:34 am

The myths they told
By Monica Doumit -January 20, 2023

I had thought that the Australian media, self-proclaimed comedians and other members of the political and commentariat class had defamed Cardinal George Pell more than any human person could be defamed in recent years. It turns out I was wrong. Given that Australian law deems it impossible to defame a person who has died, a good number of his detractors have done away with the microscopic amount of restraint they had left and lowered themselves to new depths of defamation in the days since His Eminence passed away.

Those who hounded the Cardinal to his death show no sign of relenting, even now, and they appear to be immune to the truth, no matter how many times it is clearly presented.

Robert Sewell
January 21, 2023 9:36 am

Dot:

Then you have really insidious shit like “starter husbands”.

What’s a starter husband?
Or is that a baster husband?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:39 am

BIG, IF TRUE!

I know, right?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 9:40 am

Tucker Carlson…

“When people nobody voted for run everything, you are not living in a free country”.

Rabble rousing.
There must be new revelations about to drop re JFK and Nixon, so Carlson
is running a limited hangout/disinfo campaign.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 9:41 am

https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/advice/a714/starter-husband/

Within months of promising to love and honor and cherish Tucker forever, she knew she had made a huge mistake. The problem? He was boring. “Wholly uncomplicated,” as she puts it. The kind of guy who reads Tom Clancy books on the couch and watches Adam Sandler movies while dreaming of white-picket fences. Going to depressing French movies, leapfrogging over the less ambitious on the company ladder — those were the things that excited Andi. “The idea of spending my life with someone like that seemed stifling,” she says. “It finally just got to me that he was so…sunny.”

For some, a starter husband is like a starter home — a semicommitment where you’re willing to do some of the surface work, like painting the walls, but not the heavy lifting, like gutting the whole foundation; he’s just not a long-term investment. Others compare a starter husband to a first job, where you learn some skills and polish your resume before going after the position you really want.

In our everyday life — one where we’re encouraged to pursue the bigger, better anything (witness the average college grad who now burns through seven jobs before turning 30 — how can you commit to something, or someone, forever? “That’s a huge promise. We live in an incredibly fast-paced consumerist culture,” says Pamela Paul, author of the book The Starter Marriage, who herself was divorced less than a year after taking her vows at age 27. “Ours is an H&M culture, where you go out and buy 10 cheap items for the season, then toss them, rather than investing in one beautiful coat you’ll wear for another 10 seasons. More and more women have that throwaway mentality with their first marriage — the ‘I want it now’ attitude.” Until, of course, you don’t.

The whole article is a shitshow of entitlement.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 9:45 am

The ABC manages to find a female NZ academic who claims Ardern is leaving because of misogyny rather than her poor performance domestically.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 21, 2023 9:46 am

Those who hounded the Cardinal to his death show no sign of relenting,

Gimme a break.
Pell wasn’t “hounded to his death”.
He died of complications from hip replacement surgery.
He wrote the entire thing off, forgave everybody, and got on with his life.

Something those who are using his death to win cheap political points should consider.

calli
calli
January 21, 2023 9:46 am

Is a “starter wife” a thing too? Probably is, but I don’t read gentlemen’s magazines.

The first time I heard a mother advise her daughter to marry first for money, and for love second time around it shocked me. I thought she was joking, but she was perfectly serious.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2023 9:47 am

I think it’s time people took their democracy back.

Give me liberty or give me …. er um

Let me rephrase that. …

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 9:48 am

The difference is Calli that the top 1% of men can do that, all women can do the starter husband thing.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 21, 2023 9:48 am

If you have a subscription to The Oz check out the comments under the Vax injury article.
Comments that would normally be rejected are getting through and there are multiple comments about Vax injury. Somebody high up has clearly made a decision not to censor.
Will be interesting to see how many comments by end of the day.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 21, 2023 9:49 am

How many Oztraileruns are prepared to fight for a democracy?

1? 2?

calli
calli
January 21, 2023 9:55 am

Reading between the lines of that piece it seems to me she wants a soap opera life, not normality and stability. They used to be called Drama Queens, where they weave all sorts of myths and perils around themselves for attention.

C/H Matrix?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 21, 2023 9:55 am

American Expatriates in Paris Wish Emily Cooper Would Go Home

Real-life Emilys in Paris complain that the show’s heroine, clad in over-the-top couture and barely able to speak French, is giving them a bad name.

But

The World of ‘Emily in Paris’

Lily Collins stars in the Netflix series as an American social media wiz in the French capital.

Why Are We Still Watching?: “Emily in Paris” has been widely mocked from the beginning. But despite its flaws it’s a pop-culture phenomenon. Here is why.

Emily, C’est Moi: As an American in Paris, our critic used to look down on Emily. He then realized they have more in common than he thought.

The French Reaction: The response of actual Parisians to the first season was “ridicule” — French for ridiculous and absurd, as well as amusing.

The Man Behind the Show: Darren Star, who also created “Sex and the City,” has specialized in escapist visions of the urban female experience.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 9:58 am

The ABC manages to find a female NZ academic who claims Ardern is leaving because of misogyny rather than her poor performance domestically

Dr Julia Gullard?

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 9:58 am

Facepalm

“I think women our age are like, We’re either going to fix this, or we’re going to end it, and that’s for the better,” says Kay Moffett, coauthor of Not Your Mother’s Divorce. She married her own starter husband in a funky, flamingo-filled Florida wedding at 27, then divorced him four years later after realizing she could never make the real commitment of having children with him. But don’t call her divorce a failure; in this enlightened world, it was simply a relationship that ran its course. “I think maybe we’re moving more toward a serial-marriage society — maybe you have three marriages in your life and several different careers. That’s where I’m heading,” she says.

Still, even unapologetic Andi admits that the process is not always easy. “On the one hand, I felt empowered, like, Woo-hoo, I have the rest of my life in front of me. But there were moments of, Oh, my God, I’m a divorcee — does that mean I’m all washed up?” she says. It’s why, she suggests, she turned to drinking heavily for several months after her breakup, trying to reconcile those thoughts — and perhaps, I suspect, dull some of the pain she’s so sure she never felt.

Then she met David. He was supposed to be her rebound relationship. Three years later, she realized that she wanted to have kids with him — and that was the clincher.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
January 21, 2023 9:58 am

A ‘starter husband’ is simply a well off guy a young woman marries with the full intention to divorce and take his stuff for the purpose of furthering her own goals.

A child may or may not be required, depends on the woman and the country.

Also, if she does well out of the divorce, she may not remarry at all.
Or do the same thing again 5 years later once she wastes the money from the first divorce.

And conservatives still wonder why MGTOW is a thing…

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 21, 2023 9:58 am

Year13 co-founder Will Stubley said it was surprising, but what the data shows is that it’s young LGBTQIA+ females driving this difference – of the young females who said they don’t want to have children, two thirds of them identify as being LGBTQIA+.

entitled, delusional, narcissistic and above all profoundly stupid

I see nothing fundamentally wrong with this cohort being taken out of reproduction. They can live happy, fulfilling (or unhappy, angst-ridden) lives as Communication Advisors, Equity Officers, or TicToc influencers – and then pass away leaving no imprint behind them.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:00 am

The first time I heard a mother advise her daughter to marry first for money, and for love second time around it shocked me. I thought she was joking, but she was perfectly serious.

Permit me a generalisation…

Men are the romantics, women are the hard-nosed realists.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:00 am

The Man Behind the Show: Darren Star, who also created “Sex and the City,” has specialized in escapist visions of the urban female experience.

Dahling, really?

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:01 am

…and then pass away leaving no imprint behind them.

Quite literally if they’re eaten by their cats.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 10:02 am

This soldier—who gives his first/last name—claims that the helicopter with the Minister of the Interior and his seconds was deliberately destroyed by drug traffickers in Ukraine.

If you look at the photos it’s clear the helicopter was flying low to avoid AA radar, and in fog it clipped the school building. Pretty certain it was pilot error.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:02 am

Well, almost.

calli
calli
January 21, 2023 10:03 am

The tide is turning. The sandbar is gradually being exposed, now a glimmer of gold beneath the swirling milky pale water. Yesterday’s brilliance is gone – it is overcast.

Children are on the jetty fishing. One caught a silvery tiddler and didn’t know what to do with it. Others are sitting in dinghies in the channel, but too far away to see if they’re catching anything. I can hear water bubbling in the distance – a guy is sitting in the pool spa, hat on and stubbie in hand.

Australia. 😀

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:05 am

…then, the bloke on the yacht in the inlet gets bifurcated by a 25 foot, three tonne Great White Shark.

Calli, I know your husband is the police inspector and he doesn’t like the mayor.

calli
calli
January 21, 2023 10:07 am

Men, by and large, write documentaries for their lives.

Women tend towards penny dreadfuls.

I know which one I prefer.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:09 am

Cardi B drugged and robbed men.

Mindy Kaling takes advantage of her employees.

“I improvised kissing”
“Tell anyone and you’re fired”

“Hi I’m Mindy Kaling-Weinstein”

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:10 am

Dot says:
January 21, 2023 at 10:05 am

…then, the bloke on the yacht in the inlet gets bifurcated by a 25 foot, three tonne Great White Shark.

Calli, I know your husband is the police inspector and he doesn’t like the mayor.
calli says:
January 21, 2023 at 10:07 am

Men, by and large, write documentaries for their lives.

Women tend towards penny dreadfuls.

I know which one I prefer.

Being successive posts, this is gold.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:11 am

Men are the romantics, women are the hard-nosed realists.

When you get left with the snotty nosed kids and spend the next 15 to 18 years in relative poverty you kinda see why. My mother (now deceased) was left with a 2yo and a 4yo (me) in a rental house on the other side of the world to her family. I don’t think she ever really got over it. We had a good childhood but being the child of the first wave of Whitlam divorces was the exception not the rule it is today.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 21, 2023 10:12 am

An American Politician speaking Truth & making sense – 3 Mins 54 Secs

Don’t believe the hype. Electric cars pollute far more than conventional vehicles

calli
calli
January 21, 2023 10:13 am

Being successive posts, this is gold.

You mean Jaws isn’t TRUE? *sob*

You’re going to need a bigger imagination.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
January 21, 2023 10:13 am

I’ve been a starter husband for 22 years. Has my wife done something wrong to not move on? I’m not game to ask.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 21, 2023 10:16 am

Well, almost.

Full litter trays?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 21, 2023 10:17 am

H B Bear says:
January 21, 2023 at 10:00 am

The Man Behind the Show: Darren Star, who also created “Sex and the City,” has specialized in escapist visions of the urban female experience.

Dahling, really?

H B Bear,

“You Magnificent B*tch” – The Final Show – Emily In Paris – Netflix 3 mins 55 Secs

Now that’s what I call FASHION. Let them eat cake

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:18 am

My friends are all entering the kids are at Uni phase. A number of the women have been divorced by their husbands ( some amicably, some not). Now it’s the womens’ turn.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 21, 2023 10:19 am

Bear Necessities says:
January 21, 2023 at 10:13 am

I’ve been a starter husband for 22 years. Has my wife done something wrong to not move on? I’m not game to ask.

I raise that hand, with 55 years – can’t think of anyone else I would have wanted to spend my life with, other than my Wife

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 21, 2023 10:21 am

Alice Springs, a town on the edge of its wits
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The besieged residents of Alice Springs saw something this week they had rarely seen in recent years: police in control of the town. And they immediately smelled a rat.

Highway patrol cars pulled over vehicles, mounted police were brought in from Darwin and caged police trucks cruised the main strip in force.

“Someone’s here in town; they’ve cleaned the joint up,” one local remarked, as the cavalcade drove past.

He was right: the Northern Territory police commissioner and police minister had flown in.

The residents of this blighted town have good reason to be cynical.

Police launched a similar blitz only last month, but very soon life had returned to what now passes for normal in Alice Springs.

Daylight home invasions, car theft, vandalism and the constant threat of physical violence have made the CBD a no-go zone, plagued by out-of-control youths, often drunk.

The figures tell the story: a 25-50 per cent surge in assaults, domestic violence, home invasions and commercial break-ins in the past year alone. At least 300 people arrested in the town of 25,000 in the past seven weeks. Many of the perpetrators are Indigenous; so are many of the victims.

Todd Mall, once a thriving hub of Indigenous art galleries, restaurants, pubs and cafes is now a collection of dozens of boarded-up and shuttered shops.

Before Covid the town was heaving with backpackers; some businesses would have five to 10 backpackers a day looking for a job. Now, it is rare to see a single tourist.

Homes are being raided by youths armed with edged weapons including machetes, hunting knives, axes, tomahawks and sharp “number seven” boomerangs.

Locals – Indigenous and non-Indigenous alike – point to young men and women who have come to the town from “out bush”, fuelled by alcohol, as the cause of much of the recent trouble.

At 2pm, a steady stream of customers start entering the dozen or so bottle shops scattered around town. Sitting on stools at the entrance of one of the more popular stores in the heart of the town are two police officers, one sipping from a can of Coca-Cola.

Entering the store, one officer inconspicuously turns on his bodyworn video camera before asking The Weekend Australian: “Are you buying any alcohol for anyone?” Where will you be drinking? Who are you with? Where are you staying?” before we’re granted permission to proceed further into the store.

Takeaway liquor venues made a show of trying to limit sales on Thursday, banning the sale of bottles one litre or larger.

That simply prompted locals to buy two 700ml bottles instead of the single litre they had initially planned.

When The Weekend Australian visited a bakery on the town’s outskirts, almost every customer who entered had been affected in some way by the violence.

Owner Darren Clark has had his home, car and business broken into or damaged 36 times in the past 18 months. “We’re scared of the violence, we are scared to go to sleep overnight, to lay in our beds, we’re scared to go out to the CBD, to be in our cars,” he said.

“It’s only a matter of time ­before we have tragedies here and the repercussions of that, who knows what happens.”

Mr Clark said community ­issues were being brought into the town, with street fights occurring to settle disagreements from different regions.

“This is not a racial problem in this town, this is a behavioural problem,” he said. “It’s just a few that are making this bad, people coming in from the communities, they’re not coming in for the right reasons. They’re coming in to drink and drink excessively.”

Mr Clark said the violence had escalated since the Stronger ­Futures laws lapsed, making alcohol legal in many Aboriginal town camps for the first time in 15 years. “At the moment, I’ve never seen anything like it – it’s bad.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 21, 2023 10:21 am

You’re going to need a bigger imagination.

Very good.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 10:21 am

Men are the romantics, women are the hard-nosed realists.

Roger, I always thought it was the opposite but then again it could be true in both cases. I married for love and stayed that way until death did us part 46 years later. What is just as important is that you get along well to make it work.

I thought that modern long engagements are to make sure you do get along. That also is not always the case, I know of one couple who lived together for 10 years, finally got married and then divorced a year later.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:24 am

‘straya is dying.

Not many places do the mixed grill anymore.

Vale.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:24 am

You Magnificent B*tch”

Baz Luhrmann needs to pull his … umm, finger out.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:30 am

Full litter trays?

I was thinking of the bones, or the remnants thereof, since they’d surely have a go at them too. The human relationship with cats is an enigma.

Zipster
January 21, 2023 10:34 am

A ‘starter husband’ is simply a well off guy a young woman marries with the full intention to divorce and take his stuff for the purpose of furthering her own goals.

wife told me about a conversation with one of her acquaintances, who wanted to divorce her husband, they already had two children, she was waiting to have a 3rd with him to get a bigger slice of the pie. The poor guy had zero clue what was coming.

this is the financial incentivisation of female hypergamy that the “no fault” divorce system has unleashed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 21, 2023 10:37 am

‘straya is dying.

Not many places do the mixed grill anymore.

I miss grilled liver + bacon + mash + dark brown gravy.

Illegal now, I believe.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:38 am

I know of one couple who lived together for 10 years, finally got married and then divorced a year later.

I believe the divorce rate is higher for couples who’ve cohabited before marriage than those who didn’t. (I can’t lay my fingertips on the data right now but I definitely recall it.)

Now, there could be several reasons for that, but certainly one is that couples who don’t live together before marriage place a higher value on marriage and staying married.

shatterzzz
January 21, 2023 10:39 am

Bit bemused by this PS Oz day work/not work edict from Luigi .. is he saying, for example, “If two, maybe three employees at a CentreLink office decide to work then that office will be open on Oz Day” .. or is he implying they can claim to be “working from home” & cop a day off later, whenever it suits? .. methinx, as usual, he hasn’t thought this out!

Hugh
Hugh
January 21, 2023 10:40 am

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion—when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favours—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed.”

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:40 am

Not many places do the mixed grill anymore.

Try getting a steak, egg and chips for breakfast.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:41 am

I believe the divorce rate is higher for couples who’ve cohabited before marriage than those who didn’t. (I can’t lay my fingertips on the data right now but I definitely recall it.)

It goes up with female university education and sexual partners before marriage.

Roger
Roger
January 21, 2023 10:41 am

wife told me about a conversation with one of her acquaintances, who wanted to divorce her husband, they already had two children, she was waiting to have a 3rd with him to get a bigger slice of the pie. The poor guy had zero clue what was coming.

This.

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 10:44 am

“The Man Behind the Show: Darren Star, who also created “Sex and the City,” has specialized in escapist visions of the urban female experience.”

Darren Star knows nothing about the “female”. He is a homosexual who created the television series Sex and the City to showcase how HE thinks women are and how women should behave, which is vain, promiscuous, avaricious, dumb, conniving, delicate, in other words, as a vehicle to showcase all the usual homosexual stereotypes about women. All four characters in SATC were nasty, empty, soulless and vacuous females, who’s only concerns were money, sex and status. Samantha – a whore, Carrie – a greedy, nasty, self obsessed, unfaithful and untrustworthy bimbo, Charlotte – the girl from Greenwich obsessed with status, and finally Miranda – who was probably the only character with a shred of reality about her, but even she was ultimately an empty suit who treated her working class boyfriend atrociously. There was nothing about women striving to do better, or women striving to be better. No, it celebrated ugly stereotypes. The SATC characters made the Seinfeld characters look positively good and decent.

About twenty years ago, when there was still a skerrick of good journalism around, I remember reading a piece in the Oz (pretty sure it was the Oz) critiquing the programme and basically saying what I’ve said above, that the whole series trashed women. However, it was a portent that something was already awry when SATC was lauded as empowering women because it showcased “empowered” NYC women. Yeah righto, it showcased promiscuous, avaricious, dumb, conniving, delicate NYC bimbos who would not look at a man unless he had ten million dollars in the bank. So much for empowerment. In many respects, all four characters were akin to drag queens, repulsive, which is how Star and many homosexual men see women. They despise us.

Crossie
Crossie
January 21, 2023 10:46 am

“No fault” divorce is an invitation to the transgressing partner in a marriage to continue doing what they like and practically no consequences. They move on while the devastation remains behind them. Divorce was meant to be difficult so partners would behave and not need to go through it.

Wouldn’t a lot of people reform and stay in their marriage if they knew all their faults and sins will be detailed in a divorce court? Wouldn’t it be useful to future partners to find out why people were divorced?

Entropy
Entropy
January 21, 2023 10:46 am

wife told me about a conversation with one of her acquaintances, who wanted to divorce her husband, they already had two children, she was waiting to have a 3rd with him to get a bigger slice of the pie. The poor guy had zero clue what was coming.

one of Mrs Entropy’s friends, who married a doctor while at uni and never worked a day in her life, is quite open about divorcing her husband once the kids leave home. She also said by then their net worth should be more than enough to travel wherever she wants.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
January 21, 2023 10:47 am

The Starter Wife is a thing, Marie Claire of course. Quite lucrative.
If you read beyond the headline you’ve only got yourself to blame. Starter wives may or may not end up with a mansion. More likely it’ll be cats.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:48 am

Get a passport, bro.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:48 am

… she was waiting to have a 3rd with him to get a bigger slice of the pie.

Might get a larger slice of a much smaller pie. Nothing destroys wealth faster than divorce. One mate was a partner at a major law firm and still needed a guarantee from his old man when getting back on his feet. Up and running comfortably now in the Western Suburbs but it took a while.

shatterzzz
January 21, 2023 10:49 am

‘straya is dying.
Not many places do the mixed grill anymore.

Might have a lot to do with the price of the “ingredients” ..
I’m surmising’ the final bill might be a bit of a cultural shock at the local “greasy spoon” nowadays ..
If memory serves me I could get a damn good mixed grill at a hamburger joint on Military Road, Neutral Bay back in the late 1960s for $2.50 .. by the same token a drunken Saturday night out, drinks, smokes & a taxi home came in around $5 and left a few bob left in the kick ……

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 21, 2023 10:52 am

Worse, some recycling is pointless or harmful. “If you rinse a plastic bottle in hot water,” Tierney points out, “the net result is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than if you threw it in the garbage.”

I thought that very thing this morning as I rinsed an empty yoghurt container to throw in the recycling bin.
Although my motivation is less pure than saving Gaia.
I do it to stop my bin stinking to high heaven.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 10:52 am

Curiously a former bookkeeper at my employer was one of the first people gaoled under the Family Court Act. She was the 2nd wife and a director of a few family companies. Needless to say the judge was not impressed.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 10:52 am

It was a dream lifestyle, privileged and surreal. But the whirlwind of glitter couldn’t disguise a growing void at the core. Elon was obsessed with his work: When he was home, his mind was elsewhere. I longed for deep and heartfelt conversations, for intimacy and empathy

No doubt some loser earning 120k a year wasn’t good enough for her.

shatterzzz
January 21, 2023 10:55 am

I do it to stop my bin stinking to high heaven.

I do it to water a coupla of the plants on the way to the bin .. different plants each time .. saves getting the hose out .. LOL!

Pogria
Pogria
January 21, 2023 10:57 am

I wasn’t the Starter wife, I was number 3.
The first two combined only lasted five years and two kids. I listened to all the tales of woe about how nobody hangs in there when times are tough. Boo Hoo, yada yada. You’ve all heard this script.
I made two promises, I would always be loyal and I would never stray. I kept my word through hard times and good. The usual work your arse off so we could have a comfortable future. One brilliant and handsome son.
Times did get better, looking forward to the holidays that were always promised. My body started to crumble so, after thirty-three years he decided that he wanted to be single again. You can probably gather from this that promises made to me were never kept, but you don’t need details.

Upshot is, I live in a terrific area, have made friends with good, decent people who keep an eye out for me and have plans for the future. Body is being held together like my fences at the moment, duct tape and baling twine, but I manage.

When I read Calli’s and Lizzie’s stories about their lives, I am not envious, I am ecstatic because I know the sad endings are the exception, not the rule.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 21, 2023 10:57 am

Try getting a steak, egg and chips for breakfast.

Steak is hated by Gaia. Chips are rationed in Coles indefinitely. And as for eggs…

Biden’s America: Hungry Americans Smuggle in Eggs from Mexico (20 Jan)

It’s gotten so bad that people are renting egg-laying chickens and setting them up in suburban coops. And eggs are being smuggled in from Mexico.

Earlier this week, Jennifer De La O, the director of Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) San Diego Field Operations, tweeted that her office has “recently noticed an increase in the number of eggs intercepted at our ports of entry”.

For some local residents, attempts to purchase eggs in Mexico come as no surprise. A local affiliate of the BBC’s US partner CBS reported that a carton of a dozen eggs costs nearly $8 at some mini-markets in border communities, compared to less than $3 across the border in Tijuana, Mexico.

There you go, smugglers are now smuggling eggs into the US. Psst, wanna buy a steak?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 11:00 am

BIL picked up a 60 foot Maritimo from a poove divorce. Got a free carton “because they just couldn’t stand to be on it.”

Cassie of Sydney
January 21, 2023 11:03 am

“Pogriasays:
January 21, 2023 at 10:57 am”

Lovely comment Pogria.

Dot
Dot
January 21, 2023 11:05 am

60 foot Maritimo

Ballin’

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 11:05 am

And eggs are being smuggled in from Mexico

Throughout history smuggling has been the antidote to Big Government.

vr
vr
January 21, 2023 11:06 am

Re. recycling post upthread, I think John Tierney revealed himself to be a conservative with that article and things were never the same at the NYT after that. He now edits City Journal, I think.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 21, 2023 11:08 am

Dot I think he moved it on at a profit. Don’t know what they’ve got now. For mine, 60 foot is just too big for Rotto.

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