Open Thread – Tues 2 May 2023


The Good Shepherd, Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, 1660

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rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 9:20 am

I remember once being told that Australians of Irish descent harbour bitter resentment against the English and spend many hours recriminating about the Irish famine.
This came as a surprise to me, as the only time it was ever mentioned in my family was after I read The Great Hunger, no-one in my family feels the slightest bit Irish, or English or Channel Islander.
Perhaps, like some American IRA supporters, there are such families carefully keeping the bitter flames alight, as I know some Greek descendants of survivors of the Greek genocide continue despise the Turks, though that’s more recent.
It’s pretty obvious for some people completely caught up in their borrowed victimhood too much will never be enough.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 3, 2023 9:20 am

Re the Great Burning, did the Aboriginals thereby cause the desert which occupies a lot of Australia, or was the desert there already?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 3, 2023 9:21 am

Patrick Bet-David Offers Tucker Carlson a $100 Million Contract (over 5 years).

PBD on latest Megyn Kelly.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 9:22 am

Check out the Romotow T8 caravan valued at over $375K NZD

Living well doesn’t necessarily have to mean living large. At least, this rings true for the New Zealand-based architecture firm that built the Romotow T8 rotating caravan where they proved size doesn’t matter and functionality and design are everything.

After a decade of waiting since its first announcement, the Romotow T8 has since been plucked out of our sci-fi dreams and dropped into reality.

However, it does come with a hefty price tag. It’s currently on the market for an eye-watering starting price of $375,000 NZD (approx. $268,000 AUD at current exchange rates).

What is all the hype around the Romotow T8 about?

Designed by W2, the Romotow T8 pushes the boundaries of travel trailer design, marrying art, opulence, convenience and innovation.

It’s hard to believe you’d need to be convinced by its greatness, but just in case, we’ve rounded up some of its outstanding features to get you on board.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 9:23 am

As Dallas Scott said at his blog, assistance should be based on need not race, if it were Im predicting most of this wouldn’t matter.

Take the sugar off the table.

Afaik only the Lib Dems & PHON have colour blind welfare policies.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 9:23 am

The progressives have just picked up on another fad from the US and now pretending it is a burning grass-roots matter here

Exactly.
And there was Monty pretending the TERF movement was merely a UK import and to be rejected on that basis alone.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 9:24 am

Amazing hey roger.

I never would have thought echoing the words of Martin Luther King would have made me a racist RWNJ.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 3, 2023 9:28 am

‘Fake Aboriginal identity’ film is banned

EXCLUSIVE
By MATTHEW DENHOLM
TASMANIA CORRESPONDENT

An Indigenous-made film about a white person who identifies as Aboriginal has been banned by the bodies that funded and commissioned it, over fears it could spark litigation and is “harmful”.

The short film, My Journey, by Tasmanian Indigenous newcomer filmmakers Nathan Maynard and Adam Thompson, was to be screened as part of a GRIT film festival in Hobart last weekend. Their “mockumentary” was pulled because of concerns held by the funding body, the Tasmanian Community Fund, and the commissioning body, Wide Angle Tasmania, that it could be defamatory and may cause community “harm”.

“I absolutely see it as political censorship,” Thompson told The Australian. “It is shocking …. essentially, they have censored it.

“It’s a contentious issue, but as Aboriginal people we have a right to tell stories and talk about things that are important to us as a community and that are affecting us as a community.

“And the issue is probably the most important issue that we have going on at the moment in Tasmania.”

Thompson would not reveal the plot, because he and Maynard are now planning to run their own screening of My Journey. However, he did not deny it was about a white person discovering their Aboriginality.

The number of Tasmanians identifying as Indigenous has grown from 36 in 1966 to 23,572 in 2016 and 30,186 currently. The state government has adopted policies designed to remove barriers to recognition as Aboriginal.

Thompson said the film was fictional and he did not accept concerns over possible defamation. However, Wide Angle chairman David Gurney said such concerns were based on legal advice.

Mr Gurney said the film focused on Smithton, in northwest Tasmania, and there were real concerns it could defame particular people. “The TCF was concerned that the film is potentially litigious and … harmful to a very specific community,” Mr Gurney said. “TCF asked them (the film-makers) to make some changes to the film, which they refused to do.

“So then the TCF instructed Wide Angle not to screen the film as part of the GRIT screenings.

“When that happened, we sought legal advice from one of Australia’s leading media law firms and we also received the advice that the film could lead to a defamation.”

The TCF, an independent body that distributes funds from the sale of a state-owned bank, had a policy of not funding anything that could cause harm.

“No one is disputing the broader issue that is being discussed in the film – it is an important issue – but … this so-called fictitious story is set in a very real, very small town,” Mr Gurney said. “The names in the film are very closely resembling people in that town. There are issues in that film that are very specific to that town. And we are talking a town of a few hundred people.”

The TCF confirmed it had raised concerns about the film. “These issues are for Wide Angle Tasmania to resolve with the film makers,” a spokesman said.

Maynard is no stranger to ­controversy, having recently called for expressions of interest from people of British descent willing to donate their corpse for an artwork.

Thompson said the film-makers had received approval for the concept and script from a GRIT steering committee. However, Mr Gurney said this was before TCF had alerted Wide Angle to potential defamation risk.

* From the Oz – which strangely has comments open

** Jackie Jacqui was contacted for comment

calli
calli
May 3, 2023 9:30 am

If borrowing victimhood results in $$$ then it will be borrowed and milked for all it’s worth.

Thanks for the DNA info. I thought there would be some persistent markers.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 9:30 am

Tasmania is a good example.
Look at the accusations being made in the Lia Pootah link about control and access to legal funding.
People are pretending that the Voice is the end of a line, no it’s just a way point on a continuum.
more here

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 9:31 am

Dot says:
May 3, 2023 at 9:19 am

As for housing prices and taxation.

The average tax rate on building a new home in Sydney is 78.6%, and this is able to be paid out on an amortised loan, which can be paid off with your income which already has had income tax knocked off it.

Dot,

driving the 4WD around our neighbourhood yesterday (2 weekly run to circulate fluids and use brakes etc), yet again reinforcing view from 144 bus a couple a weeks ago the ridiculous number of utes with cones, barriers, towing electronic signs and lollipop signs –

Our area is nonstop additions/new builds after knockdowns and again yesterday non stop lollipop people around every building site – Concrete truck delivery – need Signs, Utes, Lollipop people

The additional cost is B’Ridiculous – Was this included in your 78.6%?

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 9:34 am

If borrowing victimhood results in $$$ then it will be borrowed and milked for all it’s worth.

To will is human; to will the bad is of fallen nature, but to will the good is of grace.

– John Calvin

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 3, 2023 9:35 am

They are a genetic dead end that would not have survived in a competitive environment with the rest of the world during the last 10,000 years.

Genetic?

Cultural I would agree with, and the impediment that kept them from developing further was the continent – which kept them nomadic and thus unable to accumulate the fruits of their labour and the leisure that would make possible to try doing things differently. It necessitated a rigid hierarchy within the group which would also prevent changing things up much because it would mean changing the roles, and also taking a gamble when the margins for error were very narrow. The sparseness of the population would have limited the cross pollenisation of ideas as well. I would expect that there might have been a few new ideas – a tweaking in the design of a boomerang, more effective shelter or clothing – that were then lost. We would never know. Some of the ideas may have been discovered multiple times.

Lasting innovation seems a product of settled and even town life. Australian conditions, despite Pascoe’s fevered imagination, thwarted that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 9:36 am

Snowy 2.0 faces further cost increases, delays

Angela Macdonald-Smith – Senior resources writer

Snowy Hydro has advised of a likely delay of up to a further two years for its troubled Snowy 2.0 pumped hydro storage project in NSW, and a cost blowout beyond the revised $5.9 billion estimate.

The latest delay looks set to intensify worries about the ability of the National Electricity Market to continue supplying reliable power as coal power stations accelerate their closure plans

The federal government-owned company said it is working to “reset” the timetable and budget for the project with key contractor Future Generation Joint Venture, controlled by Italy’s Webuild.

The reset “will ensure the critically important clean energy infrastructure project is placed on a robust and sustainable footing for FGJV to progress the schedule in a realistic and productive manner,” Snowy Hydro said in a statement on Wednesday.

It cited a number of factors driving the delays and cost increases, including the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on resourcing, supply chain disruptions and difficult geological conditions which have slowed tunnelling work at the site.

Snowy said it now expects “first power” from the project at the earliest between June and December 2027, but potentially as late as June to December 2028.

The full operation of all units will occur at the earliest in December 2028 but potentially as late as December 2029.

More to come.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 9:37 am

Would it be a bummer if their outer body falls off, a la Men In Black, and you are holding an insect?

What if its a hot nekkid Scarlett Johansen??

Has its downsides though.

(I like this movie, once you get past the “oh no an art film” its very good.)

This scene was a ball tearer.
An unrelated tragedy unfolding is made worse just by her being there

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 9:38 am

Amazing hey roger.

I was gratified to see John Ruddick elected in NSW, dot.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 9:39 am

The additional cost is B’Ridiculous – Was this included in your 78.6%?

No, the CIE report, like the ones Peter Abelson made around the same time, were only looking at explicit and hidden taxes.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 9:41 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 9:43 am

Indolentsays:

May 3, 2023 at 9:00 am

Some of the articles you quote Indolent are quite reckless.

I’m not a medical expert. There have been many recent warnings regarding vegetable oils. You need to judge for yourself whether this one is valid. I’m simply bringing it to attention

i post heaps of shit

when challenged i do the michael jackson moonwalk away from it

then i post more batshit crazy stuff

mong

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 9:45 am

Burned alive: How the 2014 Odessa massacre became a turning point for Ukraine

Clashes between opposing activists turned into mass murder. The perpetrators have never been punished

A long, but worthwhile read to understand why Russi has invaded Ukraine

From the Comments – Sums up the Hand of one of the Wicked Witches of the West from America

SHOW over and over this tragic savage images over and over to NULAND and the whole US gang of other US politicians involved in this tragic events , that brought in power this cruel NAZI REGIME in Ukraine in 2014 ! The sad TRUTH !

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 9:50 am

Why did a “Nazi government” lose an election to a Jewish guy who called them corrupt?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 9:50 am

Doja Cat made the song “Bitch, I’m a cow”.

It was a song?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 3, 2023 9:54 am

Scars of rejection will run deep if the Indigenous voice to parliament referendum fails, says historian Henry Reynolds
Henry Reynolds

12:00AM May 3, 2023
216 Comments

Both sides of the Indigenous voice to parliament referendum launched television campaigns recently and the results of several relevant opinion polls were released.

The Yes campaign continues to hold a handy lead in all states. But there is still a significant block of voters who have not made up their mind. The historical record of referendum campaigns should caution anyone against assuming the result is a foregone conclusion.

But much of the commentary concentrates on the consequences that will unfold in the event of a Yes victory. Little thought seems to be given to how Australia would be affected by a rejection of the voice to parliament. The No campaigners appear to assume that they are proponents of continuity, of the status quo. But that will certainly not be the case.

Defeat will have wide and serious ramifications. If the referendum goes down it will be one of the most consequential events in the fraught history of relations between the First Nations and the wider community. To understand why, it is necessary to go back to the events that preceded the launch of the Uluru Statement from the Heart in May 2017.

The best place to start is a meeting at Kirribilli House in July 2015. Tony Abbott called together a meeting of 40 Indigenous leaders to discuss means by which the First Nations could be recognised in the Constitution. As a result a 16-member referendum council was established five months later to carry the project forward. It had the support of new prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and opposition leader Bill Shorten.

What followed was one of the most intense campaigns to test the opinion of the First Nations communities ever undertaken in our history. Between December 2016 and May 2017, 12 dialogues were conducted in every part of the country. In all, more than 1200 participants were consulted and their reactions recorded and put up online. Sixty per cent of participants were selected from tradi­tional communities, 20 per cent represented relevant organisations and 20 per cent were prominent individuals. Twelve major traditional languages were employed along with translators.

The Statement from the Heart was the distillation of this intense process. It was the result of the deliberations of the 250 delegates at Uluru “coming from all parts of the southern sky”. It was the most representative gathering of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders that had ever been brought together in our history. And it all happened with the blessing of, and with funding provided by, the government and seconded by the opposition. The First Nations had responded to the request of our political leadership to go to all parts of the continent and return with guidance as to ways that the Constitution could be amended.

As it turned out, the Indigenous voice to parliament was “the most endorsed singular option for constitutional alteration”. It was seen to provide “reassurance and recognition”. This background helps to explain the profound disappointment that followed Turnbull’s peremptory dismissal of the proposal for the voice in 2017 and followed now by the decision of the federal Coalition to campaign against it. It is a proposal that still has more than 80 per cent support in the Indigenous community.

The scars left from this contemptuous rejection will take a long time to heal. But for the Indigenous leaders of this generation who have sought reconciliation, defeat would be profoundly dispiriting. Having pursued the voice because it would provide their communities “with an active and participatory role in the democratic life of the state”, where would they turn?

Rachel Perkins said recently that defeat in the referendum “would be a blow because it would be seen as a vote against Indigenous people … we’ve endured so much and not to have the country stand with us would be a very significant blow for us, I think.”

If the referendum is lost, a new, younger generation may return to the streets with campaigns of direct action. Others could well conclude that their campaign for self-determination and treaties will gather strength by taking the struggle offshore to Geneva and New York, where they would find that Australia had few friends in the erstwhile colonial world.

Perhaps more to the point is that in recent years international law has greatly strengthened the position of the world’s indigenous minorities. If that is the case Australia will find itself in the situation it experienced in the middle years of the 20th century when our diplomats had to struggle continually to rebut attacks about the White Australia policy and the treatment of Indigenous people.

Our promotion of human rights and our signature to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, which we officially endorsed in April 2009, will be used against us. Self-evident hypocrisy will cruel our pitch all over the world.

“Return to the streets with campaigns of direct action?” More riots in Alice Springs?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 9:54 am

Murdochs Spoke With Zelenskyy Weeks Before Firing Anti-War Host Tucker Carlson

BY TYLER DURDEN

Both Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy shortly before firing Fox News’ anti-war host Tucker Carlson,

who has repeatedly asked why the United States is sending vast resources to one of the most historically corrupt nations on the planet while neglecting its own citizens.

“Fox News Executive Chairman Rupert Murdoch held a previously unreported call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy this spring in which the two discussed the war and the anniversary of the deaths of Fox News journalists last March,” according to Semafor, adding “The Ukrainian president had a similar conversation with Lachlan Murdoch on March 15, which Zelenskyy noted in a little-noticed aside during a national broadcast last month.”

As Semafor further notes; “The conversations came weeks before the Murdochs fired their biggest star and most outspoken critic of American support for Ukraine, Tucker Carlson. Senior Ukrainian officials had made their objections to Carlson’s coverage known to Fox executives, but Zelenskyy did not raise it on the calls with the Murdochs, according to one person familiar with the details of the calls.”

Weeks later, Lachlan Murdoch was credited with the decision to let Carlson go, according to the NY Times.

The decision to let Mr. Carlson go was made on Friday night by Lachlan Murdoch, the chief executive of Fox Corporation, and Suzanne Scott, chief executive of Fox News Media, according to a person briefed on the move. Mr. Carlson was informed on Monday morning by Ms. Scott, another person briefed on the move said.

Carlson, according to the report, has previously described Zelenskyy as a “dictator.”

Interestingly, on March 11 – right around the time of the Lachlan Murdoch call, Carlson suggested to Redacted host Clayton Morris that he could be fired over his anti-war stance.

“I’m saying what I really think and I think it really really matters and if I get fired for it, I don’t know what to say, I’m not going to change,” he said, adding that one of the top people he worked for at the network texted him to say “For the record, I really disagree with you on Ukraine!”

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 9:58 am

Rachel Perkins said recently that defeat in the referendum “would be a blow because it would be seen as a vote against Indigenous people … we’ve endured so much and not to have the country stand with us would be a very significant blow for us, I think.”

Stop thinking like a collectivist then.

Aboriginal communities are reisilient & diverse…Marcia Langton said so!

cohenite
May 3, 2023 10:06 am

Dotsays:
May 2, 2023 at 11:23 pm
Gammage tries to imply in The Biggest Estate on Earth: How Aborigines made Australia that pre 1788 Australia had roads, cleared pathways and informal parkland style forest and grassland gardens.

There’s a long thread at Jennifer Marohasy’s blog on Gammage:

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2011/11/how-aborigines-made-australia-bill-gammage/

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calli
calli
May 3, 2023 10:27 am

Had a look at that Cohenite. 2011! Maharosey’s magical thinking can only have become worse since then.

She seems impervious to rational argument.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 10:35 am

I think the real problem is to suggest it represented anything more than basic grassland management (a common problem with the noble savage). We used to burn the old spinifex paddocks to make room for the younger plants and make mustering easier. It was organised but I’m not sure it was imbued with spiritual or scientific thinking (at least when I was doing it).

Louis Litt
May 3, 2023 10:49 am

Rosie – 7.49am
Yor take on this Aus v Tiawan, Vietnamm .

Meaasel, Mumps, chicken pox , whooping caugh are awful. I am happy they are under control and their severity is limited.

Also – from my inital question the locals in Vietanm also asked what is social security and unemplyment benefit.

calli
calli
May 3, 2023 10:50 am

Sorry, spelling. Marohasy.

Everyone has their blind spot. She seems to think that Australia was better “managed” by the Aborigines than the colonists. Everyone “manages” species into extinction. No environment remains static, even without human intervention.

We have a choice – we live in an environmental museum and starve, or we develop what we have and thrive and that comes at an environmental cost depending on the type of development and the degree of “thriving”. I really can’t see a third option. Perhaps that’s my blind spot.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 10:52 am

She seems to think that Australia was better “managed” by the Aborigines than the colonists.

If only the extinct megafauna could speak.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 11:02 am

Prophetic 1992 Interview with Putin Mentor Anatoly Sobchak Predicts Existential Clash

SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
2 MAY 2023

St. Petersburg’s first mayor and Putin mentor Anatoly Sobchak gives a sobering and darkly prophetic interview where he correctly outlines not only the injustice of Ukraine filching the land given to it by Russia after splitting from the USSR, but how Ukraine will now become a ‘time bomb’ as it arms itself for a future clash that would endanger mankind itself.

This is particularly interesting to me because I’ve mentioned several times before how people close to the geopolitical situation in the 90s and 2000s all predicted today’s events. Others who had only begun following the situation in recent years erroneously believed that the Ukraine situation had only begun to inflame after the various revolutions of the 2000s. For instance, the Orange Revolution of 2004-2005, and even the Georgian Rose Revolution of 2003, which was linked in a general way.

But in actuality, the tensions and hostilities between Ukraine and Russia can be traced back to right after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Of course, most of us know that the tensions can really be traced back even much further: to the CIA Project Aerodynamic, for instance, which first began to establish radical nationalist enclave movements in western Ukraine, akin to the GLADIO network. (Here’s the paperwork on it from their own site)

Another Long and Thoughtful substack by Simplicius

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2016/01/08/cia-undermining-and-nazifying-ukraine-since-1953/

The recent declassification of over 3800 documents by the Central Intelligence Agency provides detailed proof that since 1953 the CIA operated two major programs intent on not only destabilizing Ukraine but Nazifying it with followers of the World War II Ukrainian Nazi leader Stepan Bandera.

The CIA programs spanned some four decades.

Starting as a paramilitary operation that provided funding and equipment for such anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council (UHVR); its affiliates, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), all Nazi Banderists. The CIA also provided support to a relatively anti-Bandera faction of the UHVR, the ZP-UHVR, a foreign-based virtual branch of the CIA and British MI-6 intelligence services.

The early CIA operation to destabilize Ukraine, using exile Ukrainian agents in the West who were infiltrated into Soviet Ukraine, was codenamed Project AERODYNAMIC.

A formerly TOP SECRET CIA document dated July 13, 1953, provides a description of AERODYNAMIC:

«The purpose of Project AERODYNAMIC is to provide for the exploitation and expansion of the anti-Soviet Ukrainian resistance for cold war and hot war purposes. Such groups as the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (UHVR) and its Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN), the Foreign Representation of the Ukrainian Supreme Council of Liberation (ZPUHVR) in Western Europe and the United States, and other organizations such as the OUN/B will be utilized».

The CIA admitted in a 1970 formerly SECRET document that it had been in contact with the ZPUHVR since 1950.

The OUN-B was the Bandera faction of the OUN and its neo-Nazi sympathizers are today found embedded in the Ukrainian national government in Kiev and in regional and municipal governments throughout the country.

AERODYNAMIC placed field agents inside Soviet Ukraine who, in turn, established contact with Ukrainian Resistance Movement, particularly SB (intelligence service) agents of the OUN who were already operating inside Ukraine. The CIA arranged for airdrops of communications equipment and other supplies, presumably including arms and ammunition, to the «secret» CIA army in Ukraine.

Most of the CIA’s Ukrainian agents received training in West Germany from the US Army’s Foreign Intelligence Political and Psychological (FI-PP) branch. Communications between the CIA agents in Ukraine and their Western handlers were conducted by two-way walkie-talkie (WT), shortwave via international postal channels, and clandestine airborne and overland couriers.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 11:02 am

If only the extinct megafauna could speak.

There was no chance of them fitting in those cardboard voting booths and holding a pencil. And look what happened!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 11:04 am

From Rosie’s link to a piece in The Conversation:

Archaeological data and historical documents indicate Aboriginal people on the Gulf Country lived as foragers until the mid-1800s, when their lands were occupied by Europeans and stocked with cattle. The cattle depleted resources that were critical for a foraging lifestyle, and conflict ensued.

As a result of the violence and loss of resources, many Aboriginal people on the Gulf Country became refugees in their own land. They had little choice but to move into camps on the fringes of towns such as Normanton. These camps were overcrowded and unhygienic, and many occupants died from infectious diseases as a result.

This is a tale of culture contact, but the interpretations put upon it are not necessarily those as decided above. If we look at the settler accounts, we find that aboriginal people, often living with an uncertain food source in pre-contact times, especially when non-coastal, were very drawn to the much easier food sources provided by the cattle stations and missions. This was a very strong pull factor into unhealthy town camps, probably as much as any deterioration in their wide foraging ranges due to cattle ranging. This drift still happens today. Conflict as seen by the settlers rather than archaeologists, seems mostly to have occurred over aboriginal taking of cattle, which they saw as a boon to their own harder food source hunting. That they gathered around any station during cattle kills for station food indicates how prized the offcuts given to these people were. Young aboriginal women and men often went in a voluntary fashion to the employment offered on stations and also on missions; there was a pull factor in this, not in all cases a ‘seizing’ of young people, as the current (not earlier) aboriginal side now depict. The closing of missions and the ending of station employment (where whole families were cared for), derided by historians of the left, was a backward step in a slow acculturation process.

Now compare:

My paternal ancestors were Protestant Huguenot people from the low countries and northern France, who were driven by severe religious persecution and pogroms to Britain in the late sixteenth and throughout the seventeenth centuries. We are even now thankful to Britain for this refuge. Many had trades and some were agriculturalists, like my direct ancestors, who then suffered dreadful persecutions from British peasantry in the North around Axeholme as they accepted work for uncaring aristocrats and the King, draining fenlands in return for small-holdings of land. They were then driven from these earned lands by a peasantry displaced from these wider traditional fowling and fishing lands by the land grabbing activities of these aristocrats and the King. My immigrant ancestor’s small wooden homes were burned in 1642 by this angry peasantry, with people locked inside their houses, screaming to get out as they died, finding the keyholes to their locked houses plugged by with thick clay by the murderous burners. Those escaping the razing of their village found their wives and children were physically attacked and more of the men were killed. Thus my ancestors fled to refuges in Thornton Abbey, lower down the eastern coast of England, where they finally managed to settle. Some did well, some did not, and some ended up in Australia. This is my truth telling, my voice, but it seeks no compensation.

Many Australians, of convict origin especially, but other more recent immigrants as well as the Irish in Australia, have a tale to tell. This is history. It happened, and the same stories told from various sides may differ. The urban peasants who killed some of my ancestors also had their view. Tell it from all sides, but then let it be. That goes for aboriginal people in Australia too. They are doing fairly well in the southern half of Australia now, given government largesse; it is in the North where recent well meaning policies have failed, due to their unintended consequences. The Voice though is a southern urban construction; it will not help where help is needed.
Vote No.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 11:06 am

If all you wanted was a feed of kangaroo, aboriginal land management was fine. If you’re running billion dollar trade deficits with the rest of the world you need something different.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 3, 2023 11:08 am

Senator Mitch McConnell Reminds White House of the Republican #1 Priority

May 2, 2023 – Sundance

The professional republican party is totally and completely disconnected from the average MAGA voter within it. Cue the visual demonstration from today:

Leader McConnell
@LeaderMcConnell@SpeakerMcCarthy

reminded everyone yesterday of his ongoing support for aid to Ukraine. Equipping Ukraine to defend itself is a direct investment in American jobs and our own national security. But at every turn, the Biden Admin has dragged its heels. @POTUS must get serious.

This disconnect between the republican establishment and the base voter has always been frustrating and annoying; but now they are taking it to entirely new levels of ridiculousness.

There must be multiple syphons and financial laundry operations from this Ukraine policy. Nothing else makes sense.

Seriously. Go ahead and tell me how the professional republican party is worth saving. I’ll be over here, supporting President Trump.

Also, there’s a Twit video of Mitch McConnell below (from today) that everyone must see. You tell me what’s going on. Something weird.

After spending several weeks recovering from a brain injury, this is Mitch McConnell today:

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 11:08 am

Indolentsays:

May 3, 2023 at 9:00 am

Some of the articles you quote Indolent are quite reckless.

I’m not a medical expert. 

but i am an enthusiastic amateur coroner

which is why i sit on a branch like a ghoulish vulture waiting to gleefully jump on the death of anyone under 60 as evidence of whatever it is i am pushing

mong

Bruce
Bruce
May 3, 2023 11:11 am

@ Dot:

“COVID era law and regulation was an extreme move away from traditionalism in our English common law heritage back to 1215 and we were worse for it. ”

The ENTIRE caper was all about institutionally implementing something akin to the Napoleonic Code; i.e, presumption of guilt from the start.

This, as one would expect, leads to all manner of “interesting” legalist adventures, specifically intended to hugely expand the power of non-elected, unaccountable bureaucracies.

As Lavrenti Beria, one of Stalin’s most disgusting henchmen (see also Yagoda), said: “Show me the man and I will show you the crime”.

For those who think all those “emergency laws and regulations” are going to be discarded, you may also be interested in a couple of bridges.

Tom
Tom
May 3, 2023 11:12 am

Patrick Bet-David Offers Tucker Carlson a $100 Million Contract (over 5 years).

That’s the same as what Fox was paying him.

Streaming technology has changed everything. For a talent like Carlson in a huge media market like America, offers need to start at $US500m p.a. to avoid being laughed out the door.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 11:12 am

“Expert say”….

Conservative crossbench parties look set to benefit from Mark Latham and One Nation becoming increasingly marginalised in the New South Wales upper house due to his comments about homosexuality, political experts say.

The Minns government, the Greens and the Animal Justice party have vowed to not work with One Nation’s state leader following a graphic tweet Latham posted and deleted on 30 March that Greenwich described as “defamatory and homophobic”.

On Monday, Greenwich announced he would launch defamation proceedings against Latham unless he retracted his comments and promised not to make similar comments in the future.

Lets have a look at the “experts” named.
Dr Stewart Jackson
Dr Stewart Jackson is a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Government and International Relations, with a specialisation in Australian politics, at the University of Sydney. His broad interests cover the breadth of Green politics in Australia and the Asia Pacific, with a special interest in party development. These interests also extend to green political theory, particularly environmental feminism, and the intersection of social movements and parliamentary politics.

Ben Raue
Ben Raue is an electoral analyst? and blogger who writes about elections in Australia at http://www.tallyroom.com.au He works as a data analyst at GetUp!

Latham dishes some back..
Latham later tweeted: “I’m very sorry for saying I hate the idea of [homosexual sex]. Has it become compulsory?”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 11:12 am

Quadrant has an article on the appalling perspectives on European settlement in Australia that are being taken currently by the taypayer funded Australian Museum in College Street, in Sydney. It includes removal of all statues of Cook, Macquarie and other key leaders of our past. A narrative of virtual genocide and certainly of anti-Colonial vitriol is being constructed for our children to learn and thus despise the country they were born in. A very one-sided approach.
Australia itself is under attack.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 3, 2023 11:13 am

Give your kids Meccano instead.

Lego goes gender neutral: See what’s changing (Daily Terror, 3 May, paywalled)

Lego is introducing a new line of toys that for the first time are not designed specifically for one gender. See the pictures for what Aussie kids will be playing with.

ESG Much? LEGO To Launch Carbon Neutral Factory In Red-Leaning Virginia (21 Apr)

LEGO announced its sustainable energy plans for the Virginia factory last year, highlighted by enough on-site solar power to help achieve carbon neutral status for the entire campus.

And give them a train set too, with steam trains not electric ones.

johanna
johanna
May 3, 2023 11:16 am

Cultural I would agree with, and the impediment that kept them from developing further was the continent – which kept them nomadic and thus unable to accumulate the fruits of their labour and the leisure that would make possible to try doing things differently. It necessitated a rigid hierarchy within the group which would also prevent changing things up much because it would mean changing the roles, and also taking a gamble when the margins for error were very narrow. The sparseness of the population would have limited the cross pollenisation of ideas as well.

The rigidity of the culture meant that things were never going to get better, irrespective of outside influences. For example, many different tribes traded with TSIs and Indonesians, who were much more advanced in terms of technology and agriculture and animal husbandry, but there is no evidence that they ever adopted anything from the traders. This is unusual, as trade is usually a significant vector for economic improvement throughout history. They just weren’t having it.

Whatever the reason, this culture wasn’t going to survive intact once other countries discovered Australia. Cultural virginity was a dead duck by the end of the C18th.

I do wish some in the Aboriginal Nomenklatura had the honesty to admit it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 3, 2023 11:18 am

Henry Reynolds again being either deliberately deceptive or completely ignorant of the issues:

As it turned out, the Indigenous voice to parliament was “the most endorsed singular option for constitutional alteration”.

Henry quietly ignores the expansion from a voice to Parliament to a voice to Parliament AND the Executive, subject to the vagaries of the High Court.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 11:18 am

Lets have a look at the “experts” named.

Dr Stewart Jackson

He’s the official biographer of The Greens.

LOL.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 11:21 am

It would seem Harvard’s standards are even lower than Macquarie Bank. That leaves only the UN, joining Helen Clarke.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 11:22 am

Indolentsays:

May 3, 2023 at 9:00 am

Some of the articles you quote Indolent are quite reckless.
….
I’m not a medical expert. 

but i am an enthusiastic amateur coroner

which is why i sit on a branch like a ghoulish vulture waiting to gleefully jump on the death of anyone under 60 as evidence of whatever it is i am pushing

mong

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 3, 2023 11:35 am

Expanded anti-vilification laws that would protect disabled and LGBTIQ+ Victorians

Disabled and LGBTIQ+ Victorians?
Talk about losing life’s lottery.
Even Rangas would be But For the Grace of Godding.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 11:35 am

First Mission to Mars.

Comment in reply to above article;
Peachy Keenan
@KeenanPeachy
First all-female mission to Mars followed immediately by first all-male rescue mission to Mars
😀

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 11:37 am

It seems opening doors isn’t as marketable when you find members of the Opposition behind them. Doesn’t seem to present the same problems in defence matters. Guess that is the benefits of bipartisanship.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 11:40 am

She seems to think that Australia was better “managed” by the Aborigines than the colonists.

This is the sort of unthinking crap that is currently polluting our educational institutions and our museums.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 3, 2023 11:44 am

Daily Insight:

The US is about to end its Covid vaccine air travel requirements (finally). International air travellers will soon no longer have to show proof of Covid vaccination when arriving in the US, the White House says. The US will lift the requirement on 11 May, coinciding with the end of the coronavirus public health emergency in the country. Vaccine rules will also be lifted for federal employees and contractors. The US has one of the few remaining pandemic travel restrictions still in place. The lifted restriction will also apply to non-US travellers entering via land ports of entry and ferries. In a statement on Monday the White House said “we are now in a different phase of our response when these measures are no longer necessary”. This change will allow Serbian tennis star Novak Djokovic, 35, to play at the US Open this year.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 11:45 am

For those who think all those “emergency laws and regulations” are going to be discarded, you may also be interested in a couple of bridges.

The Public Health Acts need to be repealed. They’re odious.

johanna
johanna
May 3, 2023 11:46 am

TheirABC has an article up about the engineering works for the Coffs bypass. A couple of international companies are doing the engineering, which involves tunnelling under escarpments and so on.

Imagine my surprise to find that it was illustrated with a photo of a woman wearing a headscarf (from Malaysia). Then, an interview with another female engineer – honestly, if I were a female engineer working on this project I would be offended by being treated like some sort of anomalous circus freak.

No interest at all in the backgrounds of the male engineers. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that at least some of them had interesting stories to tell. In fact, it is very likely. But no, The Narrative Rools, OK?

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 3, 2023 11:48 am

Why did a “Nazi government” lose an election to a Jewish guy who called them corrupt?

Why didn’t the elected Jewish guy stop the nazi militias from handing a Casus belli
to Vlad the Terrible?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 11:50 am

Malcolm 2.0 pumped hydro project hit with new delays, cost blowouts

If you want to be afraid – realize the AEMO is counting on the Snowy hydro expansion as a key plank in firming energy supply.

However, the $5.9 billion project is already running behind schedule and mounting delays have contributed to the Australian Energy Market Operator’s worries about the east coast electricity grid’s ability to cope with the impending closures of several of Australia’s large coal-fired power stations in coming years.

Up to five-coal fired power stations, including the Yallourn generator in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley, NSW’s Liddell, Eraring and Vales Point power plants, and Queensland’s Callide B, are expected to shut down this decade, removing 13 per cent of the east-coast grid’s generating capacity.

The new delays add to growing concerns across the industry about the risk of electricity supply gaps widening in the coming years. According to the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO), gas in the market begin to emerge from 2025 – first in NSW due to Origin Energy’s possible closure of Eraring, then in Victoria from 2026 because of the closure of two gas-fired power stations in South Australia.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 3, 2023 11:50 am

Stew Peters Show:

Out of 458 pregnant women more than half reported a serious adverse event.
Dr. Naomi Wolf is here to talk about Pfizer’s foreknowledge of baby genocide directly connected to the Covid-19 vaccine.
Pfizer fought the release of internal documents and asked the court to keep them hidden for 75 years.
The documents show they knew their shots were deadly to infants and made breast milk poisonous.
19% of the babies exposed to their mom’s vaccinated breast milk were recorded as suffering from 48 different categories of adverse events.
The documents also show Pfizer knew vaccine shedding was a danger to unvaxxed pregnant women through sperm from men who were vaccinated.
These documents are a smoking gun and show deaths and terrible side effects from the vaxx was not an accident.
They intentionally released a “vaccine” they knew would maim and destroy the world population.
Pfizer designed the shots to kill babies.

FDA & Pfizer Are Baby KILLERS: Pfizer KNEW Shots Caused FETAL DEATHS & SPONTANEOUS ABORTIONS

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 11:51 am

Need some women in headscarves on Snowy 2.0. God willing.

calli
calli
May 3, 2023 11:54 am

A couple of international companies are doing the engineering, which involves tunnelling under escarpments and so on.

No decent Australian civil engineers left?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 11:54 am

The closing of missions and the ending of station employment (where whole families were cared for), derided by historians of the left, was a backward step in a slow acculturation process.

Sorry for a poor sentence construction here. To clarify, it was the existence of the missions and station employment that was derided by historians of a later age, who instituted pressure for their closing and for the introduction of new employment laws re the station employment. Station managers found that newer payment agreements meant that providing for the families, which had been part of the old agreement, was no longer financially possible, so the families drifted off; and so did the aboriginal workers who under the new system were not able to get leave for ceremonial purposes. Closing the largely benevolent missions, remembered fondly to me by old people in Broome just a few years ago, destroyed small and stable communities. These changes to the mission and station system were not a good thing for acculturation.

C.L.
C.L.
May 3, 2023 11:55 am

Nick Cave is going to the Coronation.

Naturally, this leads to meltdowns and “Nick Cave defends decision…” headline at the ABC.

Not a fan but I’m impressed by the quality of his F.U.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 11:56 am

Well at least they have the addicts they can tax into oblivion..

Tobacco tax increase to raise $3.3b, more health spending in budget

..

Want an idea of the scale of vaping – and why its been banned??

The extra revenue will help cover a growing hole in expected tobacco taxes. In 2019, then-treasurer Josh Frydenberg forecast the government would collect $16.5 billion of tobacco excise in 2021-22. Instead, it raised $12.6 billion.

In the current financial year, the government is facing a $4.5 billion shortfall in excise compared to early budget forecasts.

How dare the peasants switch to untaxed vaping and rob us of $4.5 billion of their munni!!!

C.L.
C.L.
May 3, 2023 11:59 am

Disappointed to learn Kohinoor diamond will be removed from Camilla’s crown.
That rock has been stolen, re-stolen, looted, gifted and re-looted for several centuries.
It belongs to the King. End of story.

Gutless way to start an era.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 3, 2023 12:03 pm

Lefties a fun, and lefty Poms who think they’re experts on Oz are even funnier.

King Charles’ environmental advocacy may resonate with Australians: Kathy Lette (3 May)

Author and friend of King Charles, Kathy Lette, says the King’s environmental advocacy could resonate with both baby boomers and younger generations if he visited Australia.

“He’s been a passionate advocate for our planet long before it was fashionable,” Ms Lette told Sky News Australia.

Resonates, yep. You’re right about that Kathy, but not in the way you think. Resonates a lot with the word “idiot”. He’s a perfect gift to Fitzsimian’s bunch.

johanna
johanna
May 3, 2023 12:06 pm

I don’t know who this dude is, but it makes sense to me:

The Federal Reserve is not done tightening the screws on credit conditions,” Kudlow said. “They’re going to raise rates again this week. People are saying it’s one and done. I’m not sure. I mean, in fact, I don’t believe it’s one and done. I don’t think they’re going to increase their balance sheet. I think they’re going to shrink their balance sheet.”

Carney agreed and noted that the risk of more collapses remain.

“I’m sorry, Kevin. You’re going to have to eat more of this,” Carney quipped. “This is not going away at all. We’re going to have more. Yes, First Republic had problems. But it is not the only bank that is running into problems. All of the banks that expanded their balance sheets extremely large during our zero percent era are now running into big problems.”

Carney noted that First Republic Bank and Silicon Valley Bank both ran into trouble due to the Federal Reserve’s rapid pace of interest rate hikes, and other financial institutions are sure to face this same problem.

“Their funding costs are above what they’re able to raise in their interest rates,” he said. “So, they’re going to be destroyed. And it won’t end here. It’s going to be, yes, Silicon Valley Bank, now First Republic, [and] it’s going to be another one as well.”

The question is whether this will just enable small banks to be swallowed up by bigger ones seeking market share, even if it costs them in the short term.

As we know in Australia, lack of competition between banks keeps our deposits relatively safe from catastrophic events, but customer service a very low priority. And that includes some scammer getting into you account.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 12:08 pm

C.L.says:
May 3, 2023 at 11:59 am

You will be unsurprised to hear the gruinaid has a piece on how the 3 replacement gems are all “problematic”.

Anyway, Im sure it will be easy to return the gem to the Mhugal empires rulers…

Another piece on the history – not too bad till the last 1/3rd which just turns into the usual bash the whities crapola.

P
P
May 3, 2023 12:08 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
May 3, 2023 at 11:12 am

Australia itself is under attack.

Too right!

Yuin & Japanese museum curator, visual sociologist, historian.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 12:09 pm

, so the families drifted off

I wouldn’t romanticise station arrangements either.
People living on the land they had inhabited for centuries now taken over as cattle stations may have taken a different view of their ’employment’ status.
Maybe they were more interesting in maintaining their established lifestyles and didn’t see fit to prioritise their new landlords wishes regarding work.
A outfit or two, flour, sugar, tea and a bit of meat may not have been the generous recompense some imagine, and many were driven off when full pay became the law by managers on behalf of their absentee landlords.

There is nothing wrong with admitting there was injustice done.
That these paternalistic arrangements with no opportunity for education and betterment could not have continued on indefinitely.
No-one in power thought through the consequences, they just assumed the owners would switch to full pays but the market decided instead.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 12:10 pm

Why didn’t the elected Jewish guy stop the nazi militias from handing a Casus belli
to Vlad the Terrible?

Putin has been attacking Ukraine since 2008. Just stop.

C.L.
C.L.
May 3, 2023 12:18 pm

Why didn’t the elected Jewish guy stop the nazi militias from handing a Casus belli
to Vlad the Terrible?

Because he is to Judaism what Daniel Andrews is to Catholicism.

He was chosen by the US State Department for a reason.

To gaslight critics of Ukrainian nazism.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 12:19 pm

Putin has been attacking Ukraine since 2008. Just stop.

Mostly peaceful attacks though.
Explodey but mostly peaceful.

Cassie of Sydney
May 3, 2023 12:25 pm

“Because he is to Judaism what Daniel Andrews is to Catholicism.

He was chosen by the US State Department for a reason.

To gaslight critics of Ukrainian nazism.”

Correct.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 12:27 pm

Rather bizarre conspiracy theories being spouted here.

So Nuland got the 2019 election to a runoff and then rigged it for Zelensky?

Johnny Rotten
May 3, 2023 12:29 pm

Latham dishes some back..
Latham later tweeted: “I’m very sorry for saying I hate the idea of [homosexual sex]. Has it become compulsory?”

I remember Rex Mossop saying something similar along the lines of – “I don’t care what they (homosexuals) do as long as they don’t make it compulsory for the rest of us”. LOL.

132andBush
132andBush
May 3, 2023 12:30 pm

over 10% of those polled would not bother voting if Trump wasn’t on the ticket);

What an insane mindset.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 12:31 pm

A question for anyone here with knowledge about cars. I have a flat battery. I unwrapped my new, you beaut battery charger to rectify the problem. I have used battery chargers before, know to place red on red etc. Read the instructions, they state that you have to place red on positive, fine, BUT, I have to clamp the black on an unpainted bit of metal on the body of the car. Having a Subaru, everything that is metal is painted and everything that looks unpainted is plastic.
Have been trying to get info online but no luck. When did this happen? I have always placed positive on positive and neg on neg. I am tempted to go the usual way but don’t want to damage the car of course.
Any and all information will be greatly appreciated.

Johnny Rotten
May 3, 2023 12:35 pm

Putin has been attacking Ukraine since 2008.

Since 2008? Is Georgia Ukraine?

And what has that Zelensky Clown been doing in the Donbas since way before Putin said -“Enough is enough” in 2021 AD. 2008 AD? Dotty Dot of Dottiness, get back in yer’ box.

Johnny Rotten
May 3, 2023 12:36 pm

Whoops. I mean 2022 AD.

areff
areff
May 3, 2023 12:38 pm

Good Lord, News Corp’s leaking against Tucker Carlson couldn’t get any lower (but probably will). NYT has the latest leak — a message sent to his producer during the BLM/antifa riots in DC that includes the sentence “That’s not how white men fight”. Apparently that’s a manifestion of Carlson’s irredeemable racism. Yet the entire message (below) is rather noble in its sentiments:

A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shit out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/business/media/tucker-carlson-text-message-white-men.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20230503&instance_id=91635&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=93733573&segment_id=131962&te=1&user_id=27e881ba23dcbbeb529db9a14e26b14b

Clogs to clogs in three generations. Watch as Lachlan makes it happen.

bespoke
bespoke
May 3, 2023 12:40 pm

Concern trolling about splitting the vote during primarys, lol.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 12:44 pm

So Nuland got the 2019 election to a runoff and then rigged it for Zelensky?

Truly Macchiavellian, given that Zelensky was elected as a peace candidate and who was later, at the Normandy Summit in Octoboer, 2019, deemed too conciliatory to Russia in talks.

bespoke
bespoke
May 3, 2023 12:45 pm

Have been trying to get info online but no luck. When did this happen? I have always placed positive on positive and neg on neg. I am tempted to go the usual way but don’t want to damage the car of course.

Should be OK if disconnected for the car. Take it out too.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 12:47 pm

After the pogrom against their village in 1642, my ancestors went from Sandtoft in the Isle of Axeholme to Thorney Abbey in Cambridgeshire, once on Thorney Island, where due to their skills Oliver Cromwell gave them a form of citizen status:

Refugees were invited to settle in Thorney, in the fenlands, because of their expertise in maintaining drained land, for cultivation and farming. Moving to Thorney offered advantages. Oliver Cromwell declared that if they newcomers bought or farmed lands they were accounted “free denizens of the Commonwealth”. In a proclamation, the settlers were given extra rights, including some tax relief and exemptions from military service overseas for forty years. They worshiped in the ruins of Thorney Abbey, where there is a marble memorial tablet inscribed to Ezekiel Danois of Compiegne, France, the first minister of the Huguenot colony which fled to Thorney to avoid persecution. He was at Thorney Abbey for 21 years, and buried there, aged 54, in 1674. Huguenot pastors continued to minister at Thorney until 1715.

I have ancestors from my patriline buried in Thorney Abbey (above I said Thornton), whose descendants later moved to lands and a manor house with its own little church further down towards the Thames Estuary, where familial ties are still maintained (my great uncle is buried there amongst our ancestors, and my father’s brother was married there in the 1980’s). Burial sites cared for, and I am contributing financially to that as well as hoping to save the Church from closure by the Diocese, with some success so far. Huguenot names are often quite distinct which makes familial genealogical tracing at least back to the 1630’s and 1640’s in Britain relatively easy via Parish baptismal and death records.

I am sympathetic to aboriginal desires to maintain links to their own heritage, and to be heard in their own narrative story, but just as I have to accept that lands have been lost and people have moved, or fled, in my heritage as the course of history has washed over the past, so do they. I’m also aware that a singular patrilineage is only one part of my heritage. The Welsh, the Irish, the ‘Saxon’, the Norse, the Ancient Briton, is in me genetically too. I like it that Jacinta Price sees this very clearly too, that she has European genes as well as aboriginal genes, as do most aboriginal identifying people today.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 12:52 pm

Octoboer, 2019,

December, 2019

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 12:53 pm

Dotsays:

May 3, 2023 at 12:27 pm

Rather bizarre conspiracy theories being spouted here.

i am just putting it out for consideration

i am not an expert on ……

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 3, 2023 12:55 pm

A outfit or two, flour, sugar, tea and a bit of meat may not have been the generous recompense some imagine,

In Western Australia, at least, the station managers provided rations for the whole extended families. The station my mob were managing, employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen and provided such basics for eighty four of the extended families.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 12:57 pm

“That’s not how white men fight”. Apparently that’s a manifestion of Carlson’s irredeemable racism. Yet the entire message (below) is rather noble in its sentiments

It certainly is. You can almost hear Tucker saying it, so strong is his personal voice in his opinions.

Roger
Roger
May 3, 2023 1:00 pm

…just as I have to accept that lands have been lost and people have moved, or fled, in my heritage as the course of history has washed over the past, so do they.

Lizzie, you may not be aware that c.57% of the Australian mainland is under native title (both exclusive and non-exclusive title) or held by indigenous people freehold. Coastal and land waters are next.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 1:04 pm

Bespoke,
can’t do it. I am not as strong as I used to be, plus it’s blowing a gale down here. Really don’t fancy trying to lift it out and carrying it into the shed. Thanks for the advice though.

Kneel
Kneel
May 3, 2023 1:04 pm

“… I have to clamp the black on an unpainted bit of metal on the body of the car.”

The idea here is that if there is a spark when you connect the last “end”, it will be well away from the battery and hence any out-gassed hydrogen, thus reducing the risk of fire and/or explosion.

If you are connecting a charger, you can leave the thing turned off, connect it direct to the battery (no chance of any sparks), then turn the charger on – no sparks, no fires, no explosions, everyone safe and happy. Oh, and turn the charger off before disconnecting it, of course.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 1:05 pm

Yes sure. Nothing happened in 2008 to 2014 with Russian special forces. Just out of nowhere in March 2014, the Ukrainians started shelling separatists who instantly formed their own governments.

You would have had to eaten a rather large chunk of lead to believe this fairy tale.

It was known for much of the 2010s that eastern Ukraine was effectively lawless before any conflict formally started, as an effort to destabilise the legitimate government. Special forces worked with organised crime to achieve this.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 1:09 pm

This isn’t going away. Haha.

And people have by now figured out that Anheuser-Busch also owns the third-best-selling beer in the country, Michelob Ultra:


What’s worse for the brewer is that the negative trend appears to be spilling into other AB InBev brands: Michelob Ultra dropped 8% for the week ending April 22, while Busch Light fell by 8% and Budweiser dropped by 13%, according to Beer Marketer’s Insights.

As Anhueser-Busch faces the possibility of Bud Light (the country’s number one beer brand) and Michelob Ultra (number three) falling out of the top five, gay and trans blackmail organizations demand they double-down and put more of their money and futures at risk to Affirm and Validate the Aggressively Mentally Ill.

A-B is, as one industry magazine puts it, in “serious trouble.”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 3, 2023 1:09 pm

Malcom Roberts:

We are winning. The truth always wins in the long run.

My address to a community event last week at Mudjimba on the Sunshine Coast.

My 1 hour speech to a town hall on COVID mismanagement

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 1:11 pm

It was known

Sure it was.

I have linked to that before.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 3, 2023 1:13 pm

My my how AEMO has grown.
June 20 – total current assets 427,134,000
June 22 – 1,830,073,000

Cash and cash equivalents
June 20 – 62,738,000
June 22 – 1,280,112,000

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 1:13 pm

What’s worse for the brewer is that the negative trend appears to be spilling into other AB InBev brands: Michelob Ultra dropped 8% for the week ending April 22, while Busch Light fell by 8% and Budweiser dropped by 13%, according to Beer Marketer’s Insights.

Excellent. Now stop buying Rolling Rock, etc.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 1:13 pm

There is nothing wrong with admitting there was injustice done.
That these paternalistic arrangements with no opportunity for education and betterment could not have continued on indefinitely.

I think it is more a matter of seeing how both sides of this culture contact may have viewed it, and also to recognise that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time. Everyone had to live under privations and harsh rules unless they were in a privileged elite.

This is something keenly felt by white working class populations looking back on their pioneering ancestry and occupations (wandering shearing and droving) in many Australian country towns even today (certainly this was expressed to me when I was doing sociological investigations in the 1970’s in country regions, which I later wrote up in a book). Aboriginal people were undoubtedly abused at times, and racism was endemic, but there were also many attempts to improve their situation. The later treatment of the missions and missionaries, given the excellent work they had done, was abysmal, for they were blamed for schooling and child-rearing practices that were common to most people in their days.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 1:14 pm

Kneelsays:
May 3, 2023 at 1:04 pm
“… I have to clamp the black on an unpainted bit of metal on the body of the car.”

The idea here is that if there is a spark when you connect the last “end”, it will be well away from the battery and hence any out-gassed hydrogen, thus reducing the risk of fire and/or explosion.

If you are connecting a charger, you can leave the thing turned off, connect it direct to the battery (no chance of any sparks), then turn the charger on – no sparks, no fires, no explosions, everyone safe and happy. Oh, and turn the charger off before disconnecting it, of course.

Kneel, that’s what I have always done before. For over thirty years. I have been wondering if the new instructions were along the same lines as safety warnings on things such as fly spray etc. You know, do not eat or spray on face. 🙁 Because we are all so dumb.

Crossie
Crossie
May 3, 2023 1:14 pm

Conservative crossbench parties look set to benefit from Mark Latham and One Nation becoming increasingly marginalised in the New South Wales upper house due to his comments about homosexuality, political experts say.

I laughed long and loud at that statement. What conservative parties? If they were they would be the government.

Crossie
Crossie
May 3, 2023 1:16 pm

Conservative crossbench parties look set to benefit from Mark Latham and One Nation becoming increasingly marginalised in the New South Wales upper house due to his comments about homosexuality, political experts say.

Some more about this. Any conservative parties, cross bench or otherwise, that work with Labor and the greens will not get voted in again.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 1:21 pm

Lizzie, you may not be aware that c.57% of the Australian mainland is under native title (both exclusive and non-exclusive title) or held by indigenous people freehold. Coastal and land waters are next.

Of course I know this, Roger. I keep a keen eye on Quadrant and am familiar with Windschuttle’s lead on these matters and on the falsification of aboriginal history and the damaging desire for ‘sovereignty’. I have always thought the (Melanesian) Mabo decision should never have been extended to the (aboriginal) Australian mainland.

I think that we have definitely done more than enough to satisfy any aboriginal heritage claims.
The voice will be a total disaster for Australia if it is ever passed by Referendum. It must not pass.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 1:23 pm

Voice, treaty, ‘truth-telling’ Australian Museum style, reparations, sovereignty and further territorial claims and separations over sea and land and airspace. No thank you.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 1:34 pm

It would have been better by the 1960’s to have funded the missions and stations to assist aboriginal people to integrate in situ there, rather than develop a new outstation movement which saw families leave stations for township fringes or outstations, both becoming sinks of despair where the families’ own young men could no longer provide for them as they were seen to do on the stations. Missions too were taken over by inept self-governing, and welfare dependency become the accepted mode of survival in all aboriginal dwelling places.

In the present day, I’ve said here and still say that provision of a form of supervised transitional housing near established towns is needed now to accommodate the growing drift to the urbanised life. That drift is a good thing, it is the future, if it is alcohol-free and accompanied by education and employment, which is the way to integrated assimilation. Trying to sustain unsustainable outstation communities riven by tribal vendettas is no way forward. It never was.

Kneel
Kneel
May 3, 2023 1:36 pm

“Kneel, that’s what I have always done before. For over thirty years. I have been wondering if the new instructions were along the same lines as safety warnings on things such as fly spray etc. You know, do not eat or spray on face. “

I suspect so – much like the “Caution: opening door” (because, you know, a door that doesn’t open is really a wall, innit?)
Or “how to wash your hands with soap and water” signs that now appear in many places.
The one that gets me is “Deliberately concentrating and inhaling vapours can be harmful or fatal” – in other words, “Dis one gets you off, bro!”

You can’t make things idiot proof – people just become more idiotic.
Therefore, don’t even try – think of it as evolution in action. Or maybe a form of aversion therapy.
Both work – and for good reason.

C.L.
C.L.
May 3, 2023 1:36 pm

areff’s quote makes me admire Tucker more than I did before.

Great bloke.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 1:38 pm

that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time

I’m pretty sure the aboriginal families who were forced off the stations, with whatever clothes they had, or not, on their back, to walk many miles to stand around in the nearest town might have thought being kicked off their ancestral lands for wanting more than a bit of pocket money, a set of clothes every year or so (for the workers only) and meagre rations very unjust.
Nor do I assume all station owners were de facto benevolent institutions for whom the welfare of their local aboriginal communities was paramount.
We are talking about 1968 here, not something that happened in the 19th century.
here

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 1:43 pm

I have been thinking of ‘bumper sticker’ sorts of appeals re this Referendum.

IT IS BEST TO VOTE NO

LAST TIME YES, THIS TIME NO

VOTE NO FOR REAL CHANGE

VOTE NO FOR HELP WHERE ITS NEEDED

VOTE NO FOR REAL HELP

VOTE NO FOR NO MORE RACISM

VOTE NO FOR DEMOCRACY

and so on, for the message has to get out against very great funding odds.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 1:53 pm

pogria at 1309

As Anhueser-Busch faces the possibility of Bud Light (the country’s number one beer brand) and Michelob Ultra (number three) falling out of the top five, gay and trans blackmail organizations demand they double-down and put more of their money and futures at risk to Affirm and Validate the Aggressively Mentally Ill.

this is where they are caught in a cleft stick of their own making

on the one hand is the growing consumer boycott

on the other hand is a noisy band of cocktail drinking activists

should be a no-brainer hey

but heres the rub
for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending

Vicki
Vicki
May 3, 2023 1:55 pm

Trying to sustain unsustainable outstation communities riven by tribal vendettas is no way forward. It never was.

Absolutely Lizzie. The do-gooders in the 1980s had little real understanding of Aboriginal life and cultural dictates.

Many young blokes grew up on cattle stations, learned skills during station life and were able to eventually make a life in the towns where they eventually established families. There were many inequities on many stations, but the descent into the unbridled violence that you see today in remote communities was not tolerated.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says: May 3, 2023 at 12:55 pm

A outfit or two, flour, sugar, tea and a bit of meat may not have been the generous recompense some imagine,

In Western Australia, at least, the station managers provided rations for the whole extended families. The station my mob were managing, employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen and provided such basics for eighty four of the extended families.

+ they got time off for walkabout, for corroboree & for secret tribal business.
& so long as the required number of men turned up for work, it didn’t matter who came on any particular day.

The NT issued a “Licence to employ Aboriginal Labour” – without which one could not supervise Aboriginals, i.e. every station manager, every headstockman, etc had to obtain & retain that licence.
Lose that licence for an upheld allegation of “mistreatment of a native” & you became instantly unemployable in the NT.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 3, 2023 1:59 pm

We are talking about 1968 here, not something that happened in the 19th century.
here

We are talking supply and demand here. If the station owners weren’t prepared to pay the government mandated rates, and the aborigines were willing (even unenthusiastically) to work for the old rates, then it’s pretty clear that it was government mandates that caused the trouble. The fact that the government was well intentioned doesn’t justify its meddling. Economic incompetence carries a cost, one borne by the aborigines in this case.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 2:00 pm

that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time

Be settler.
Have basic tools, bit of stock and some rations to last a year.
No welfare, no savings.. zip.

Aboriginal tribe comes along and spears your livestock and conducts a “cultural burn”

Your solution is obvious

The complete ignorance of the life of “white” people around the same time is jarring.
https://pyrmonthistory.net.au/slums#:~:text=Sydney's%20slum%20districts%2C%20commencing%20in,%2C%20Alexandria%2C%20Waterloo%20and%20Botany.

But hey, lets focus on the wealthy large landowners and pretend that was the norm.

Vicki
Vicki
May 3, 2023 2:01 pm

Lizzie, you may not be aware that c.57% of the Australian mainland is under native title (both exclusive and non-exclusive title) or held by indigenous people freehold. Coastal and land waters are next.

Roger, I think it may have been in one of Windshuttle’s Quadrant articles that it was surmised that sovereignty of native title may well be attempted over the whole of Arnhem Land. I don’t think that this is outside the realms of possibility.

If that happened, I could imagine that China may well present the titleholders with a proposition that could not refuse in return for a port or landholding of strategic value.

Vicki
Vicki
May 3, 2023 2:05 pm

Zulu and Salvatore know their history when it comes to the actual circumstances of station life and the circumstances of Aboriginal stockmen and their extended families.

It is a pity that so few do.

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 2:06 pm

Rosie:

People are pretending that the Voice is the end of a line, no it’s just a way point on a continuum.

The Voice isn’t the end of negotiations – it’s the starting point of the next round of demands.

T shirts ordered today.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 3, 2023 2:12 pm

Gez at 8.16:

Great post about a clearly great (yet unrecognised) bloke.

It reminded me of the last paragraph of the obituary I wrote for my old man in 2021, for his funeral in his (and my) small country town, and which I was prevented from getting to:

History will not record ***** as a ‘great’ man in the manner of a Caesar or Churchill, or a Charlemagne – but a great man he was, nonetheless. A complete list of his achievements is too long for inclusion in this tribute. Perhaps it is sufficient to note that this country and this town are vastly better places, and his family better people, for ***** having been here.

‘Salt of the Earth’ doesn’t even begin to describe these people.

NB: Andrews, I have not forgotten nor forgiven.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 2:14 pm

Have a look at my link.
There were at least two enquiries in the 1960s, and others in the early 20th century as well.
Nevertheless whatever happened right or wrong, there should have been direct compensation for pensions misappropriated or wages not paid.
The Voice shouldn’t be an additional redress for past wrongs.
(It’s interesting that the government was also concerned that the land in the Kimberleys was being leased for peppercorns and lease holders were not taking much care of the properties.)
I’m with Tony Abbott on the subject of the Voice.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 3, 2023 2:17 pm

Gawd almighty have a look at this arsehole. Hun:

Daniel Andrews has taken a major swipe at the Reserve Bank after it delivered its 11th interest rate rise in 12 months.

The Premier said the RBA’s strategy to combat rising inflation was failing and instead was leading to greater pressures on Victorian families.

“I don’t know that pulling this lever is necessarily delivering the outcome that the bank wants, and that’s to get inflation under control,” he said.

“I’m not sure that these interest rate rises are smashing inflation. I am absolutely certain that these interest rate rises are smashing families.

“I’m certain they’re creating lots of other problems. Many, many families are under enormous pressure at the moment.

“They borrowed in good faith with the expectation, and from no less of an authority than the Reserve Bank, that interest rates wouldn’t be going up. They’ve now gone up 11 times in 12 months.

“This is causing an enormous amount of pain. The problem with this policy level, the problem with these tools is you don’t know that you’ve gone too far until you’ve gone too far.”

Treasurer Jim Chalmers conceded the RBA’s shock move was a “brutal reminder” of the inflation challenge.

“I think that the rate rise is really a pretty stark, pretty brutal reminder of the difficult economic conditions,” he said.

“And I think people are broadly aware that we‘ve got an inflation challenge in our economy, people feel it every day.”

Mr Andrews said during a 2020 national cabinet meeting, state governments were told they would need to borrow money to avoid a 25 per cent unemployment rate.

He indicated that his government would not have borrowed as much money as it did at the time.

“The government of Victoria made decisions, but the advice that informed those decisions were very simple – you’ve got to borrow to get through,” he said.

“So of course we went and borrowed.”

Mr Andrews made the comments while attempting to deflect from Victoria’s upcoming horror budget which will be delivered on May 23.

“This is a very, very challenging budget,” he said, making reference to the need to pay back pandemic borrowings worth tens of billions of dollars.

It comes as leading finance expert Mark Bouris smashed the hike, arguing it was “completely unnecessary”.

“Wow, another 25 basis points – are they serious? … Do they want to break the backbone of Australian mortgage holders?” he said on social media.

“They’re saying inflation is still too high at 7 per cent … they’re saying that unemployment is still too low at 3.5 per cent … for me they should have just paused and waited to see what happens with the interest rate increases they’ve already jammed us with.

“This is going to cause something to break, from my point of view, and I think they’ve just gone way too far.”

Greens Senator Nick McKim said the government needed to step in to overrule the “terrible decision”.

“The RBA’s decision to raise interest rates again beggars belief and will smash renters and mortgage holders even harder than they were being smashed already,” he said.

“If Dr Chalmers refuses to act it will be a tacit endorsement of the RBA’s decision and will mean that he supports the rate rises.”

FBAA managing director Peter White said Australians were “sleepwalking into disaster”.

“Governments and lenders knew this was coming because the global indicators were there, but somewhere along the line there was a failure to prepare Australians who had become complacent after more than a decade without seeing any rate rises,” he said.

“We are sadly now seeing the results … it will take a combined approach by the government, lenders and the community at large to help people through this.”

Well, 3 arseholes. Andrews, Chalmers and McKim.
When you shut down the entire state over little more than a cough, what would you expect would happen? FMD

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 2:17 pm

but heres the rub
for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending

Sancho, if they kill the company, there is definitely no career.
Here’s a bit more of what’s happening to AB; it’s known as the Halo Effect.

During the controversy, sales have shot up for Bud Light’s biggest competitors, Miller Lite and Coors Light, Williams said. What is more, he is beginning to see what is known as a negative halo effect — other Anheuser-Busch brands are suffering because of the dispute.
“I also think that what’s happening now is that anybody that is a Bud Light drinker and switches to Michelob Ultra because they don’t want to be seen holding a Bud Light, someone down the bar is going to say, ‘Hey, buddy, that’s an Anheuser-Busch product you’re holding,’” Williams said.

The slowdown in sales of Michelob Ultra is of particular concern to Anheuser-Busch because it had been one of the fastest-growing brands on the market, said David Steinman, vice president and executive editor at Beer Marketer’s Insights.

According to Williams, the plunge in sales is hitting beer distributors especially hard, costing them millions of dollars every day. To stop the slide, Anheuser-Busch needs to cooperate with them and come up with a way to entice their former consumers back into the fold, he said.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 3, 2023 2:22 pm

That was part A. Part B:

Daniel Andrews has declared “ordinary hardworking punters” don’t care about the speed that the government acts on implementing findings from a damning corruption investigation.

The Premier this week revealed his cabinet was yet to take any action on implementing any of the recommendations from IBAC’s Operation Daintree investigation, confirming the matter wasn’t raised during Monday’s cabinet meeting.

The investigation probed how improper influence compromised a $1.2 million contract awarded to the Health Education Federation, a division of the Health Workers Union, by Andrews government advisers.

Asked on Wednesday why the government hadn’t prioritised acting on the 17 recommendations, Mr Andrews said: “If you think that ordinary hardworking punters out there think that’s the number one priority, I don’t think it is.”

“There are many other things we need to get on with,” he added.

“I’m not here today to confirm that all 17 of them will be implemented.

“Cabinet will look at those matters … We’ll find a slot for that piece of work and we will do it and we will report progress when we are ready to do that.”

Asked if that meant integrity was not a priority for his government, Mr Andrews fired back: “I didn’t say that. You’d be wrong to interpret what I just said that way.”

The state opposition on Tuesday introduced a Bill to the parliament’s upper house which would request that the government immediately acts on the recommendations from the Operation Daintree report.

Opposition leader John Pesutto said there was “no justification” for the government to delay the recommendations.

Mr Andrews said he would not be taking integrity advice from the Liberal Party.

“Not now, not ever,” he said.

A fair dollop of khuntery involved here. And yet he is Premier. Victoriastan indeed.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 3, 2023 2:27 pm

Tom,
Tuckers $20m from Fox is probably his take home. Fox would also be paying for his team and production costs which would add a few millions.

The Daily Wire contract offer to Crowder was $12. 5m year but Crowder had to pay his team and production costs.

I don’t think Tucker can get $500m per year but could get significantly more than $20m. I think he could get enough that he could do it without worrying about whatever Fox owes on paying out his contract which I understand is about $30m.

How much would he get for a couple of books, particularly a tell all type.

PBD used the term “held hostage” by Fox.

PBD has a 1 hour segment on his offer to Tucker and it includes some of the more contentious clips such as Epstein was murdered, JFK assassination and Building 7 collapse.

The more Fox leak stuff about Tucker the more I support him and think less of the FOX/ News minions who are joining the pile on.

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 2:31 pm

My brother in law’s family who had property interests in the north say the same thing about stockmen and their families being better off under the old ways.
Clearly the outcome of the changes have let to even poorer outcomes for many aboriginals, but it didn’t have to be that way, did it? The change could have been managed far better.
You can also read the 1905 Western Australia Royal Commission ‘The Condition of the Natives’ to get some insight into what was happening.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 3, 2023 2:42 pm

Pogs-
is it a battery charger or jump starter?
If jump-starting, the object is to arc the charge through the starter motor, hence most new vehicles will have a lug on the far side of the engine block to make the route.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 3, 2023 2:46 pm

Lizzie

On ne passe pas, They shall not pass.

Pogria
Pogria
May 3, 2023 2:49 pm

Hi Wally,
battery charger. I also tried to charge my trusty old valiant but no-go. I even connected it in the usual way. I thought if something goes wrong, it won’t harm the old girl too much, unlike the Subaru with all the electrical gadgetry. It looks as though the brand-new-in a-box charger I bought a couple of weeks ago isn’t working.
I called a local and he dropped a couple of chargers for me to use. Fingers crossed. As soon as one of my cars is running, I will take the useless charger back to Bunnings.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 3, 2023 2:54 pm

A-B is, as one industry magazine puts it, in “serious trouble.”

You betcha. Now qwerties are arranging a boycott of Bud Lite for not being sufficiently woke:

Bud Light is now getting Cancelled and Boycotted by members of the LGBT and Trans community.

A prominent LGBT magazine, Advocate, is accusing the beer brand of “validating trans hate.”

In an article in the magazine, LGBT PR Exec John Casey accused the brand of being “inauthentic” for failing to defend Dylan Mulvaney in the midst of the backlash.

Simultaneously boycotted for being woke and boycotted for not being woke enough. All of this could’ve been avoided if they hadn’t had a marketing lady with tofu for brains.

Best worked example ever for beer companies to stay right away from politics and just make beer.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 3, 2023 2:54 pm

You’d think if the Lizard People really wanted us to get excited about dumping cars for electric, they’d do something about the plunge in quality which has undermined the battery industry. Anything over 90 amp hours is getting a year and a half’s service at the most for me, at the moment, and that’s with every ute and tractor religiously under cover every night too.
And the price hike- had to buy for wifey’s Hyundai the other day- $250.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 2:58 pm

The Voice shouldn’t be an additional redress for past wrongs.

But thats 100%, rolled gold exactly what it is designed to facilitate.

Its seen as a precondition for a bunch of treaties.
Its seen as a precondition to a pile of GDP based % of munni.
Its seen as a step towards independent governance.
Its seen as a step towards claiming all land, mineral, sea or even airwaves (spectrum) above and beyond what private landholders can.

The left have gone from “Communism in one country’ to “Aristocracy by race” in the blink of an eye.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 3:06 pm

Sneakers trying hard to out-mong Andrews for waste.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-03/covid-rat-purchases-by-wa-government-slammed-by-auditor-general/102296896

She said what started as a $3 million spend on tests for health workers and returning travellers quickly spiralled beyond $440 million, “around twice the cost of the Bunbury Hospital redevelopment”.
Public entities spent the equivalent of 10 per cent of the state’s 2022 operating surplus on diagnostic plastics without demonstrable evidence of clear, considered and coordinated planning or ongoing advice as to the necessity of the expenditure,” Ms Spencer said.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 3:07 pm

Now qwerties are arranging a boycott of Bud Lite for not being sufficiently woke:

That’ll throw a spanner in ya shandy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 3:09 pm

My local library giving away free RATs. Except you can’t even give them away.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
May 3, 2023 3:12 pm

Bud Light is now getting Cancelled and Boycotted by members of the LGBT and Trans community.

A prominent LGBT magazine, Advocate, is accusing the beer brand of “validating trans hate.”

Oh joy, oh bliss!

I’ve seen no trans hate, but a certain amount of objection to letting trannies propagandise children, and infringe on women’s rights.

The trannies prolly don’t drink beer anyway.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 3, 2023 3:16 pm

Rosie, I well remember the debates around aboriginal full wage payments, as I was at university and deeply studying the aboriginal situation in Australia at that time. Vincent Lingari’s Gurinji’s strike for wage equality was strongly supported by me and others, although I think we had little awareness of how complex the familial situation was. I gradually became aware of it as I researched further and realised that our contemporary ideals were not necessarily helpful. Yes, we fought for and approved changes, and the 1967 Referendum was all about ensuring that the old pastoral system and other racial ‘protections’ were changed. Sadly, they were all changed in the wrong ways, with not enough oversight of pension payments, which allowed station managers to ‘rort’ them, although in their view they were most unfairly blamed for a condition costly to the stations that aboriginal people had self-selected to live in on the stations. tribal aboriginal people continued to self-select this mode when given European housing in outstations; they destroyed it. Cultural change must be led; this wasn’t.

My heart sank when I clicked your link and it came up with The National Museum of Australia for I knew what to expect, a social justice view on a very complex issue. Yep. That was it.

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 3:19 pm

She said what started as a $3 million spend on tests for health workers and returning travellers quickly spiralled beyond $440 million, “around twice the cost of the Bunbury Hospital redevelopment”.

And I think he’s been trying to get away with it as I’ve noticed over the last month or two, every morning and every evening there are peeps at every train station in metro Perth handing them out for free (hardly anyone takes them lol!!!)

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 3, 2023 3:23 pm

The Voice will fix it!

No, apparently large amounts more dosh needed:

Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

Indigenous leader Marcia Langton, has warned that there could be an “intifada” in the western desert area of Australia if conditions for Aboriginal people in the region did not improve.

Speaking at a conference in Sydney by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors (ACSI), she said problems in Aboriginal areas such as the western deserts and in Alice Springs were as a result of poverty.

Professor Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

Comments are not supportive

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 3:25 pm

I can feel another Australia Council grant application coming on. A Big Sneakers composed entirely of RATs. That’s my afternoon sorted.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 3:29 pm

Indigenous leader Marcia Langton, has warned that there could be an “intifada” in the western desert area of Australia if conditions for Aboriginal people in the region did not improve.

Maybe when they walk into town to shake things up, they’ll realise modernity is easier.

I don’t know. Why would urban dwelling be tough with subsidised rent and ample welfare?

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
May 3, 2023 3:29 pm

Mal Turdbull, Banker (or with a W), financier, economist, business man and according to him , a smart guy. Said project Snowy 2.0 would cost less than 2 billion and be ready in 2023. Reality is 8 billion and still not finalized, and possibly ready in 2029, now I see why he was no good as PM.
Another question for me is how much free energy do you get for 8 billion?

rosie
rosie
May 3, 2023 3:31 pm

Incidentally my Irish Great Great Uncle worked in Queensland iirc in the 1880/1890s before moving on to work in South Africa, returning to live with his niece, my grandmother in his old age.
He said ‘the blacks (in QLD) were treated very badly’ to quote my mother if stories my dad/granddad etc are going to be taken as objective truths.

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 3:31 pm

Pogria:

“And people have by now figured out that Anheuser-Busch also owns the third-best-selling beer in the country, Michelob Ultra:

The consumers in the US are fed up with being powerless against the corporations and others who have been telling them ‘take it or leave it’ for years now.

As Anhueser-Busch faces the possibility of Bud Light (the country’s number one beer brand) and Michelob Ultra (number three) falling out of the top five, gay and trans blackmail organizations demand they double-down and put more of their money and futures at risk to Affirm and Validate the Aggressively Mentally Ill.

I think the whole Anhueser-Busch is now getting the head kicking that people want to give the LGBTQ+ movement, which has been giving them without allowing them any capacity for retaliation.
The bleed over to the Michelob brand was something I didn’t think would happen.
“The Consumer is King” motto didn’t arise by chance, and now the consumer mob is stirring. The disgruntled peasantry should never be disregarded.
Good luck to them.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 3:35 pm

Langton is a vile old racist shit.

Consumed by bitterness and envy despite being in the top %% of privileged people globally (by income)
Gorging itself on the hated white mans money, while flying business class in the white mans aeroplane, as she scoots to the white man university to lecture and pontificate on how much she hates white people.

A vile old mediocrity.

Marcia is one of the richest Anthropologist & listed on most popular Anthropologist. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Marcia Langton’s net worth $5 Million.

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 3:36 pm

Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

Hahahah, unlike those people who call themselves “palestinian,” the Indigens can have all the western desert they like. They can have a big Western Desert Cake and march it up Parliament House drive and it won’t make a lick of difference. Ok.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 3:36 pm

Pogriasays:

May 3, 2023 at 2:17 pm

“but heres the rub
for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending”

Sancho, if they kill the company, there is definitely no career.

i dispute that

running the qwerty line is stunning and brave even if it blows up a company

the blame lays with the redneck boycott

they stroll from the wreckage with an enhanced woke reputation and off to a bigger and better gig

otoh if they publicly drop the qwerty cause their career is in the toilet

shoulden be so but it is

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 3:36 pm

Budweiser
Bud Light
Michelob
Stella Artois
Busch
Kona Brewing
Stella Jalisco
Landshark
Presidente
Hoegaarden
Shock Top
Babe
Cutwater
Hiball
Ritas
Nutrl

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 3, 2023 3:39 pm

(she ain’t no perfesser) Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

How on God’s green earth would she know from inside her cosseted university bubble? How many more billions Langton you dried up harridan must be spent?

132andBush
132andBush
May 3, 2023 3:44 pm

It isn’t. They are people on the margins that trust neither conventional R or D candidates.

And when faced with a binary choice would prefer to see the country sink?

Cassie of Sydney
May 3, 2023 3:47 pm

“running the qwerty line is stunning and brave even if it blows up a company

the blame lays with the redneck boycott

they stroll from the wreckage with an enhanced woke reputation and off to a bigger and better gig

otoh if they publicly drop the qwerty cause their career is in the toilet

shoulden be so but it is”

Sancho is right, accountability doesn’t matter to the woke left, there are almost zero consequences for their stuff ups and disasters.

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 3:47 pm

Choosing Michelle Obama or Joe Biden over Meatball de Santis because you can’t get Trump is nuts.

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 3:47 pm
Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 3:53 pm

Bupa is a local ad here in Oz that has lots of disabled people bouncing through the screen with various injuries. It only occurred to me last night, when paying more attention, the final person bouncing through is a drag queen. Why do you need one of those in a medical insurance ad?

Oh, right.

Kneel
Kneel
May 3, 2023 3:54 pm

” …it won’t make a lick of difference. Ok.”

Sounds familiar…
Oh, I know…

“You know what I’m gonna do? I gonna buy me a 1962 Cadillac convertable – hot pink! With whale skin hubcaps and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights! Yeah! ” – Dennis Leary, “I’m an Asshole”.
Not that it matters much to me, but you really should cite things when you use them.
🙂

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 3:54 pm

Dot:
(On the WokeBrewers Crash)
Excellent. Now stop buying Rolling Rock, etc.

“Softly, softly, catchee monkey.”

Give them a chance to sack the entire marketing board and grovel at the consumers feet.
If they don’t, then we extend our boycott.

Johnny Rotten
May 3, 2023 3:58 pm

War is never a solution; it is an aggravation.

– Benjamin Disraeli

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 3:58 pm

Snowy 2.0 is displaying a characteristic lack of Potential Greatness. It’s no Ozemail.

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 3:59 pm

Not that it matters much to me, but you really should cite things when you use them.

Kneel, Quod scripsi, scripsi

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 4:00 pm

Kneel/Pogria:

I suspect so – much like the “Caution: opening door” (because, you know, a door that doesn’t open is really a wall, innit?)
Or “how to wash your hands with soap and water” signs that now appear in many places.
The one that gets me is “Deliberately concentrating and inhaling vapours can be harmful or fatal” – in other words, “Dis one gets you off, bro!”

The last Clinic I ran had a sign on the wall with cartoons showing people how to – I kid you not – shit.
One of the first things that I did was tear it down.
This is the kind of paternalistic rubbish that QHealth runs with because it thinks everyone is stupid.

Vicki
Vicki
May 3, 2023 4:01 pm

Sadly, they were all changed in the wrong ways, with not enough oversight of pension payments, which allowed station managers to ‘rort’ them, although in their view they were most unfairly blamed for a condition costly to the stations that aboriginal people had self-selected to live in on the stations. tribal aboriginal people continued to self-select this mode when given European housing in outstations; they destroyed it.

Absolutely Lizzie. As someone else noted in an earlier post – most city folk don’t realise that the stations supported not just the Aboriginal stockmen, but the extended families as well. This continued well into the 1980s before the “return to country” (aka inappropriate buildings in remote communities) movement pushed by Nuggett Coombes & co.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 4:01 pm

So my Woodies are OK right?

bespoke
bespoke
May 3, 2023 4:04 pm

So my Woodies are OK right?

Phrasing!

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 4:04 pm

Lizzie:
I have been thinking of ‘bumper sticker’ sorts of appeals re this Referendum.
Get behind this woman – Joanne Hackett (?sp)

Johnny Rotten
May 3, 2023 4:08 pm

We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it.

– Dwight D. Eisenhower

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 4:10 pm

So my Woodies are OK right?

Got wood?

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 4:11 pm

That’s true and I have nothing against punishing parties, but Biden is senile and has the launch codes, on top of being very damaging.

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 3, 2023 4:12 pm

A high risk, high reward maneuver.
Maybe.
Keeping Frontal Aviation at arms length and getting the heavy brigade
over the marshes and on to firm ground would be the trick.
Then it really could be tank terror time.
Not coincidentally, the Popovs have been squirting off a lot of decoy ALCMs recently.

Kneel
Kneel
May 3, 2023 4:14 pm

“…Biden is senile and has the launch codes…”

Would he remember which line he has to read from the card?

Dot
Dot
May 3, 2023 4:15 pm

Would you vote for Meatball, Dover?

I would, but I’d prefer Trump or Paul.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 3, 2023 4:16 pm

Black Ballsays:
May 3, 2023 at 3:39 pm
(she ain’t no perfesser) Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

How on God’s green earth would she know from inside her cosseted university bubble? How many more billions Langton you dried up harridan must be spent?

Enough to sate all of the urban indigenous “activists” for several lifetimes, then a few hundred thousand (in total, not each) for those on the fringes, as a token gesture from their urban “leaders”?

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 3, 2023 4:16 pm

Oh dear, the great man (in his own mind) weighs in. Telegraph:

Kevin Rudd has warned the US and its allies have just five years to develop a military and economic deterrent that is powerful enough to convince China not to go to war over Taiwan.

In his first expansive comments on China since becoming Australia’s US ambassador, Dr Rudd said he believed President Xi Jinping was “not interested in a war right now” and that China was “actually not ready” to reclaim Taiwan by force.

The former prime minister instead pointed to 2027 as a crucial turning point, a timeline laid out by US intelligence chiefs and the Taiwanese government based on Mr Xi ordering China’s military to be ready to act by then.

Dr Rudd shared his analysis at a high-powered conference in Los Angeles, after Foreign Affairs Penny Wong last month decried speculation about Taiwan’s fate as “the most dangerous of parlour games”.

“There is much frenzied discussion in political and media circles over timelines and scenarios when it comes to Taiwan. Anyone in positions like mine who feels an urge to add to that discussion should resist the temptation,” she told the National Press Club.

Unlike the Australian government, US leaders have been far more willing to discuss when China could invade Taiwan, with former Obama administration official Michèle Flournoy saying on Wednesday that China had been “telegraphing their intentions” about 2027.

Dr Rudd, appearing alongside Ms Flournoy at a Milken Institute event, said he agreed with her assessment.

“We have this five years where there still is a risk of crisis, conflict and war by accident, so let’s work to build up as many guardrails as possible to reduce that possibility, while at the same time recognising that the challenge of deterrence lies again – as Michelle pointed out before – in the post-27 period,” he said.

“There are five good years to be used and deployed now to get that integrated deterrence equation right. But unless we are equally clear in our analysis about what actually finally causes Xi Jinping and the Central Military Commission and the People’s Bank of China to say, the risk of doing this is too great, then we will have failed the exercise.”

Dr Rudd shared similar views before he was tapped as the ambassador in December, including in a November speech in which he said the next five years would “determine the success or otherwise of US efforts to deter China from taking medium-to-long-term military action against Taiwan”.

As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd has said the key reason Senator Wong and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese sent him to Washington DC was to deal with the challenge of managing China’s increasingly aggressive rise.

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 4:18 pm

Vicki:

If that happened, I could imagine that China may well present the titleholders with a proposition that could not refuse in return for a port or landholding of strategic value.

That’s an aspect I’ve spoken of before, to no avail.
China only recognises treaties and political facts that benefit it, hence you see her claiming territory on spurious legal grounds, to which she replies “What are you going to do about it?” Her claims to islands long considered other nations properties are examples of this.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 3, 2023 4:19 pm

So it’s Dr Rudd and Mr Xi, not President Xi.

shatterzzz
May 3, 2023 4:21 pm

Wierd! .. 4 x times I’ve tried to get a perfectly normal comment thru but each time it’s just goooone to wherever lost comments gooooooooo ..!

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 4:22 pm

Black Ball:

Well, 3 arseholes. Andrews, Chalmers and McKim.
When you shut down the entire state over little more than a cough, what would you expect would happen? FMD

Typical Socialist excuses – “Someone else’s fault”. “Look what you made me do”.
They never change.

Alamak!
Alamak!
May 3, 2023 4:24 pm

Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

would anyone notice if it took place or not?

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 3, 2023 4:24 pm

Either:

a) Krudd is saying this because he’s been told to, or
b) he’s off the reservation already.

Probably the latter.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 4:25 pm

shatterzzzsays:

May 3, 2023 at 4:21 pm

Wierd! .. 4 x times I’ve tried to get a perfectly normal comment thru but each time it’s just goooone to wherever lost comments gooooooooo ..!

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………. lol!

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 3, 2023 4:26 pm

War is never a solution; it is an aggravation.

– Benjamin Disraeli

Because negotiations worked so well with Hitler and Mussolini!

Winston Smith
May 3, 2023 4:27 pm

Pogria:

According to Williams, the plunge in sales is hitting beer distributors especially hard, costing them millions of dollars every day. To stop the slide, Anheuser-Busch needs to cooperate with them and come up with a way to entice their former consumers back into the fold, he said.

Easy. Sack the entire marketing team and the board that passed the decision.
But they won’t do that, so every day the company gets sicker.
It won’t be long before the AB Board decides to amputate to save itself.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 3, 2023 4:27 pm

Top Endersays:

May 3, 2023 at 4:24 pm

Either:

a) Krudd is saying this because he’s been told to, or
b) he’s off the reservation already.

just looked at the odds on sportsbet

a) $250.00
b) $1.01

mong

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 4:29 pm

Apparently there’s some fighter jet flying at 200 feet above ground making sonic booms around southern Perth burbs… I got nothing on flight radar… but multiple reports…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 4:30 pm

This is an interesting little take on the French being revolting (more than normal) I hadnt considered.

The public sees these reforms as a form of class warfare. This is because raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 only really affects those who started working earlier in life – that is, the working class. Under the old pensions system, most graduates – in order to clock up enough years contributing into the system after university – already had to wait until 65 to retire on a full pension. The burden of Macron’s reforms falls mainly on the least well-off.

In a purely class war way this makes perfect sense.
I started working at 15, many graduates wont start till they are nudging 25.
Yet I will be “allowed” to retire sometime after the sun turns into a small chunk of charcoal the size of a ford fiesta.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 4:30 pm

Ozemail was the most Sydney deal apart from getting a call from Richo before Offset Alpine went up.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 3, 2023 4:31 pm
Top Ender
Top Ender
May 3, 2023 4:32 pm

As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd has said the key reason Senator Wong and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese sent him to Washington DC was to deal with the challenge of managing China’s increasingly aggressive rise.

Sounds like Krudd wrote the press release.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 4:33 pm

around southern Perth burbs…

Who cares?

lotocoti
lotocoti
May 3, 2023 4:35 pm

If kevni thinks so, then it’s bad news for Taiwan.
The RoC will probably sink next Tuesday.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 3, 2023 4:36 pm

Marcia Langton warns of
‘intifada’ in western desert

I have asked the Oz how this is not extremist violent hate speech?
….and…rejected.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 3, 2023 4:37 pm

As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd

Seen here hard at work:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYvwhUIlGA

Lysander
Lysander
May 3, 2023 4:38 pm

Ah well, the low flyover was for the funeral of the last WA flight squadron officer in WWII.

Cassie of Sydney
May 3, 2023 4:39 pm

Went for a walk at lunchtime, it’s a beautiful day here in Sydney, albeit windy. Walking back to my office, I spied a film crew interviewing a peewee of a man. I looked as I was walking and it was the grubby little cockroach, Adam Bumdt. He really is a little little man. I said loudly, “vomit”, and a man walking next to me said, “agreed”. I said to the man that I find it staggering that people, mainly in affluent areas, vote for the filthy little cockroach. He again said “agreed”.

Always nice to know that we’re not alone in our thinking.

bespoke
bespoke
May 3, 2023 4:39 pm

Interesting choice “intifada”.

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