Open Thread – Tues 30 May 2023


A Bar at the Folie-Bergère, Edouard Manet, 1882

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Morsie
Morsie
June 2, 2023 2:23 pm

George Warfe referred to above allegedly recommended for VC 3 times
Each time some action stopped it.
He and his mate were hired by the US during Cietnam to clean out a province
Founded Canungra.Apparently commandos back from Timor found it more dangerous

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 2, 2023 2:23 pm

It may be as simple as the uploading of a new thread and your bad timing. This has happened to me before when refreshing the page.

Thanks, Calli. I didn’t try last night and this morning only tried once, didn’t get thru, and was freed up to continue on with some other work. Over lunch today I said Cat’s still down to Hairy, who said have you refreshed the site. Duh. Did, and look what’s been going on.

Clear evidence that I am a prime technophobe.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 2:25 pm

P –

Despite really wanting to see what 60 mins were reporting on AI last Sunday night, after what those bastards did to Pell, I could not bring myself to watch any shite they “report on.” Ever.

Viva
Viva
June 2, 2023 2:26 pm

Power hierarchies work well when those at the top are the most able, those at the bottom least

Alexander once said he feared an army of sheep led by a lion more than an army of lions led by a sheep

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 2:27 pm

One of the best examples of the madness of our times, on Twitter re the BRS controversy:

Louise Milligan
@Milliganreports
Good journalism matters.

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 2:29 pm

after what those bastards did to Pell, I could not bring myself to watch any shite they “report on.” Ever.

Then do NOT watch the job they are going to do on BRS this Sunday.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 2, 2023 2:32 pm

Bruce Lehrmann squirms as he’s asked ‘how did Brittany Higgins end up on a couch fully naked?’ in brutal Channel Seven Spotlight TV interview

Bruce Lehrmann asked ‘did you have sex’ with Brittany Higgins
First television interview set to air on Sunday night

Hugh
Hugh
June 2, 2023 2:36 pm

The message is clear: if you want to brutalise civilians with impunity, join the police.

Gilas
Gilas
June 2, 2023 2:40 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 2, 2023 at 11:39 am

Since Psychopaths don’t experience fear

Others have also noted Eddles’ ample capacity for writing pure BS.
Fear, or lack thereof, is not a criterion in the diagnosis of Psychopathy or Sociopathic Personality Disorder.
These bastards aim to avoid discovery, while manipulating all around them. If the kitchen gets hot, they will measure their actions accordingly.
Stupid and self-destructive, they are not.

Making false, picked-out-of-his-@rse claims seem to be Eddles’ special power. A bot algorithm seems increasingly likely to explain this.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 2, 2023 2:40 pm

I’m not seeing any gouging. If there was more in the pot the shareholders would see it one way or another.

Bruce is not seeing gouging by Coles.
I am glad that settles it.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 2, 2023 2:40 pm

One of the best examples of the madness of our times, on Twitter re the BRS controversy:

Louise Milligan
@Milliganreports
Good journalism matters.

Indeed, if good journalism mattered to Louise, then maybe she may have enquired around the stench of the mean girls and their toxicity.

Where are the “good journalists”? Like good coppers, they exist somewhere.

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 2:43 pm

Major Fred Lomas went with Colonel George Warfe (both then retired) to supervise the training of South Vietnamese NPFF at Dalat, Tuyen Duc Province in 1966-67. They got caught up in political infighting.

There are no records of Warfe’s alleged V.C. nominations in WWII, but I’ve heard those rumours too, including from a family source.

Warfe was C.I. of Battle Wing at Canungra for the first two years in 1955-56, under Col. Kelly & then Serong, the latter recommending Warfe & Lomas for contracts a decade later in Vietnam.

The WWII independent companies (renamed commandos circa Oct ’43) initially cycled through the ind coy/cdo rnft centre co-located at Canungra after returning from New Cal, New Guinea & Timor, prior to the buildup of the Atherton Tablelands base area.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 2, 2023 2:46 pm

From the Herald Sun.
Seems the chilling detail was a white crest with a gold cross which associates BRS with the Crusaders who killed Muslims and would upset the locals. The photo is probably one of the most well known of BRS and looks like was photoshopped to remove it.

“A photo of the former special forces soldier has resurfaced, exposing a chilling detail covered up by the Department of Defence”.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 2:47 pm

Freda Utley had a bit to say about the Malmedy Massacre.
It’s worth reading her opinion in the American Mercury from 1954.

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 2:47 pm

I do love the line from Gran Torino where Eastwood says “its the things you’re not ordered to do that haunt you”

Loved that movie. It highlighted the best and worst of humanity. And it left us with hope.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 2:51 pm

The chances of me believing the Australian press without the photo being verified with metadata by an independent expert are zero.

Yeah, and it just happens to resurface now? I’m totally not cynical at all. No, not me.

Kneel
Kneel
June 2, 2023 2:51 pm

“Has journalism helped or hindered in the most critical issues of the modern scene?”

The answer, of course, depends on our point of view.

If you are part of the “elite opinion makers” of the Lame stream media collective, then of course you have done the progressive, inclusive, equitable and diverse thing and pushed what you know is right – it is your duty to push your PIED view on the clueless masses.

That the masses are revolting is self evidently true – it is your job to pacify them by making them think they are alone in disagreeing with you and politicians. You are, after all, a part of the elite, and so much cleverer than those filthy Bunnings attending mouth breathers. They will still be revolting, but only in the figurative sense of being beneath your contempt, and not the piano-wire and telephone polls literal sense. That you must lower yourself to pretending you are on their side is one of those unfortunate facts of life attendant upon your position – you can always whine at others attending the sort of cocktail parties the plebs will never see the inside of, so there is that.

But above all else, you must push the “trusted” initiatives – we simple can’t lose control, and the podcasts and web sites of anyone opposing us must be mercilessly labelled as “alt-right”, “extreme”, “racist” and so on, so as to denigrate and dismiss them into irrelevance.

Right-o – now get on with it. It’s not a pretty job, but someone has to do it.

Gilas
Gilas
June 2, 2023 2:53 pm

Ed Case says:
June 2, 2023 at 2:12 pm

The Malmedy Massacre was brought to light by Senator McCarthy in 1949

More BS from the bot. Its posts are not worth reading.
Scroll on by, Cats.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 2:54 pm

Ed’s latest muse, Freda Uttley:

“There is no crime that the Nazis committed that we or our allies did not also commit ourselves”

Well…

jupes
jupes
June 2, 2023 2:54 pm

Incidentally, Andrew Hastie served under BRS in Afghanistan.

No. Hastie was an officer, BRS was a non-commissioned officer.

He doesn’t remember him favourably as he was forced by BRS, as I recall, to do countless push ups on one occasion – well past his physical capabilities.

That was during the selection course, where NCOs have control of activities including over officer candidates. Too bad BRS didn’t try to fail the bastard then. Hastie admitted during the trial, that he had only heard rumours about BRS, but went to the press anyway because he didn’t trust the military justice system or some such shit. Unbelievably disloyal behaviour that should have drawn serious rebuke from SASR and the ADF brass. But no.

He’s also told the court he raised concerns with a superior in 2012 about a “catch and release” policy in Afghanistan, when he suggested the system “incentivises killing rather than capturing”.

However here Hastie is spot on. Blind Freddy could have seen that the ADF’s craven behaviour in transferring the responsibility of prisoners to, at various times, the US, the Dutch and the Afghans, would have that result. For most of the war, Taliban prisoners were held for a maximum of 2 days, given US $200 and released. No doubt this was seen as a badge of honour by the scumbags, who could then go back to trying to kill Coalition soldiers and/or civilians. In such circumstances, it is in everyone’s best interest to not take prisoners on kill-capture missions.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 2:55 pm

“Chilling detail”

The most “chilling” thing about that photo for an enemy is the guy’s size and the hardware he’s carrying.

Nothing like a bit of cowardly soy hyperbole.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 2:56 pm

Fear, or lack thereof, is not a criterion in the diagnosis of Psychopathy or Sociopathic Personality Disorder.
Sure, but that’s not what I said, dopey.

Stupid and self-destructive, they are not.
They can be stupid, and depending on that, they may be self destructive too.

You’re going in to bat for Psychopaths here, Gilas.

Anything you need to disclose?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 2:59 pm

Bambi II. Sounds like a complete dud

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:00 pm

Let’s not forget Hekmuttah who, hired to help Australia, murdered three Australian soldiers.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-11/afghan-soldier-hekmatullah-murderer-of-australian-soldiers-jail/100528402

And the Taliban, so high on their horses today, released this PoS.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 3:02 pm

A little professional courtesy would hurt Gargoogles. Idiot.

jupes
jupes
June 2, 2023 3:03 pm

Let’s not forget Hekmuttah who, hired to help Australia, murdered three Australian soldiers.

BRS was hunting that piece of shit when he was reported to have kicked the bloke of the wall, or was it a cliff?

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 3:03 pm

only heard rumours about BRS, but went to the press anyway because he didn’t trust the military justice system

I cannot even summarise this concisely to mock this. It is so bizarre and turpitudinous.

On rumours, he spread rumours, to achieve justice, because the justice system, did not work!?

rosie
rosie
June 2, 2023 3:04 pm

I don’t give a hoot if some people have decided a Jerusalem Cross is controversial.
Don’t go to Santa Semena celebrations in Spain else you’ll be swooning.
There was Templar blessing in St Paul et St Louis in Paris in March when I wandered in on my way to the chapel.
Crusade Crosses everywhere.
Gasp.
Pretending that the war in Afghanistan wasn’t about militant islam.
Priceless.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:05 pm

Yes Jupes and sometimes, unfortunate as it is, you need to “extract” information off people, including civilians-in-the-know.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 2, 2023 3:06 pm

Add wartime psychology to Ed’s dubious doctorates.

Morsie
Morsie
June 2, 2023 3:07 pm

Thanks Muddy,erudite and well informed as usual

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 3:07 pm

Priceless.

And pathetic. I bet they swoon if they see a Star of David too.

“Chilling”.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 3:10 pm

Russell Kirk, the Father of American Conservatism, said this about Freda Utley:
“Freda Utley has had some part in many of the grand and grim events of our time, and has known half the people worth knowing.”
Here’s a link to her archives.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 3:13 pm

Pyrmonter says:
June 2, 2023 at 12:35 pm

Dot

I will, if you wish, provide the references once the reasons for judgment are published. Given the nature of the allegations, it is likely Besanko applied Brigginshaw evidential principles

Yeah nah

I highly doubt that now.

“Substantial truth” and “contextual truth”.

This is nowhere near the criminal standard required. “The gist!”

Good lord.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:14 pm

Speaking of the crusades, it really annoys me how dumb people still think this was some offensive by Christianity. Most scholars even today admit they really don’t know the whole story but being a defensive war against the Religion of Peace, is more accurate than what you’ll find in most curricula…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 2, 2023 3:15 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-11/afghan-soldier-hekmatullah-murderer-of-australian-soldiers-jail/100528402

That piece of shit was enlisted into the Afghan Army, after the Imam of his local mosque swore on the Quran that he was a loyal Afghani..

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 3:17 pm

Thanks, Morsie. There are very few topics I feel confident providing a public opinion on, but that area of military history is one of them. I’ve had research for a manuscript about Col. Warfe sitting around for years, waiting for me to magically get over a writer’s block type of issue. If there are any military history authors out there who promise to take care of my research … maybe we can talk.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:19 pm

ZKTA – I still can’t believe he was released.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 3:20 pm

JC

What do you think of the Asian Clearing Union starting their own alternative to SWIFT?

(It’s sort of dumb, they can use BTC!….)

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:20 pm

Muddy – just put all your data into chatGPT!!! 🙂

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 3:22 pm

Pretending that the war in Afghanistan wasn’t about militant islam.
Priceless.

There’s been a lot written, but no one has seriously suggested that the War was about Militant Islam.
Here’s what we know.
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979 in support of the legit Government.
The US Carter Admin funded The Taliban.
The Soviets left in 1987 and by 1994 The Taliban had taken over.
However, by 2002, the Taliban was on it’s last legs, unsurprising when you realise that the native people of Afghanistan are the Hazara and the Taliban are Pashtuns from Pakistan.

Enter the US to the rescue of the Taliban.
It was a hard slog, but by 2022 it was Mission Accomplished.

Ethnicity of Ali Jan, the dirt poor farmer kicked over a cliff and murdered?
Hazara, what did you think?

Rabz
June 2, 2023 3:23 pm

or was it a cliff?

It was a “small cliff”, jupes.

#qualityj’ismmatters

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:24 pm
Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 3:25 pm

Why did Vucic resign in Serbia?

I don’t get it. Some Serbs refuse to contest elections in part of Kosovo that should arguably be partitioned to Serbia.

NATO (why?!) are stationed as peacekeepers and clash with locals who didn’t bother contesting an election out of protest of pro-Kosovo local councils being elected.

This has got something to do with Ukraine? (Which IMO could have a peace deal brokered by third parties – third parties conducting referendums in disputed areas).

Someone, please help me.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:26 pm

Random post:

https://nypost.com/2023/06/01/dozens-of-kids-vanish-in-cleveland-area-as-police-probe-alarming-trend/

Nearly 30 children reported missing in Cleveland during first 2 weeks of May in ‘extraordinary’ surge

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 2, 2023 3:27 pm

ZKTA – I still can’t believe he was released.

Hugh Poate – the father of one of the three soldiers Hekmatallah murdered – asks, in his book “Why have an A.D.F. in the first place” when the Australian Government said they didn’t support the death penalty, in this case.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 3:27 pm

However, by 2002, the Taliban was on it’s last legs

US and allied invasion, in coalition with the Northern Alliance:

October 7 – December 17, 2001

In 2001 the Northern Alliance was on its last legs you unrepentant shitposter.

Indolent
Indolent
June 2, 2023 3:33 pm
Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 3:44 pm

Ah, so the “catholic” Daniel Andrews is changing tax laws to make catholic schools pay payroll tax..

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 3:46 pm

However, by 2002, the Taliban was on it’s last legs, unsurprising when you realise that the native people of Afghanistan are the Hazara and the Taliban are Pashtuns from Pakistan.

The Pashto/ Pashtuns are a large ethnic part of the Afghani population. The Hazara are less than 20% of the population. To cite the ethnicity of the Pashtuns as in some way inferior to the Hazara, is akin to saying that those Australians of British descent have less legitimacy.

You must be a member of the Greens.

Indolent
Indolent
June 2, 2023 3:52 pm
Kneel
Kneel
June 2, 2023 3:53 pm

“…provide the references once the reasons for judgment…”

You weren’t there. It’s not your “lived experience” to wander around inside enemy territory where the enemy does NOT wear a uniform, where civilians regularly openly carry firearms, putting your life at risk every day.

If you are the judge, you decide after spending days, weeks or months hearing testimony and then spend further days, weeks or months contemplating the various arguments about what one man did when he maybe had less than a second to decide and his life was on the line, at least potentially. Someone trained to react to violence with violence. Someone who daily faced “kill or be killed”.
In a place where some of Australia’s best soldiers have been killed or seriously injured. Someone so outstanding at their job, they have already received official recognition of their bravery and integrity.

Sorry, but I can’t agree with you – the onus is on those accusing this real, actual hero of our country. Anyone who dares accuse such a man of impropriety without overwhelming evidence deserves to pay, and pay big for what they have done. Justice is supposed to be blind, not stupid, and in my opinion this judgement is not just stupid, it is stupid beyond belief. Stupid squared. It is regrettable that such a decision is no longer surprising.

The law is an ass – how can it be that someone can lose such a case when those whose job is to decide on criminal prosecution have decided NOT to proceed? Presumably they believe the evidence is insufficient for “beyond reasonable doubt”.
This man was acting at the behest and in the service of the government of Australia. How is it NOT that government itself is being defamed by this scurrilous “reporting”?
What possible public good does such reporting provide?

Rabz
June 2, 2023 3:53 pm

I don’t get it. Some Serbs refuse to contest elections in part of Kosovo that should arguably be partitioned to Serbia.
NATO (why?!) are stationed as peacekeepers and clash with locals who didn’t bother contesting an election out of protest of pro-Kosovo local councils being elected.
This has got something to do with Ukraine?

Is this the interminable imbroglio The Djoker weighed in on recently?

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 3:56 pm

If you are the judge, you decide after spending days, weeks or months hearing testimony and then spend further days, weeks or months contemplating the various arguments about what one man did when he maybe had less than a second to decide and his life was on the line, at least potentially. Someone trained to react to violence with violence. Someone who daily faced “kill or be killed”.
In a place where some of Australia’s best soldiers have been killed or seriously injured. Someone so outstanding at their job, they have already received official recognition of their bravery and integrity.

Great post, Kneel. We feel your pain.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 2, 2023 3:56 pm

And normally it’s the victor, not the loser, deciding the ‘crime’ and exacting the vengeance.
But we can judge the alleged crime independently of being the victor or loser, and the scare quotes depend upon this as well.

The “scare quotes” are there to distinguish the differing perception of crime held by victor and loser.

In the case of Ali Jan, either: a disabled bystander, a much loved father and husband, randomly murdered for no reason; or a Taliban auxiliary, brutally taken off the battlefield.

Rabz
June 2, 2023 3:57 pm

You must be a member of the Greens.

The greenfilth knocked back Eddles’ membership application so he’s joined the (cue spooky muzak …) SFLs. Apparently Matt Keane insisted Eddles’ application be fast tracked.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 3:59 pm

The Pashto/ Pashtuns are a large ethnic part of the Afghani population. The Hazara are less than 20% of the population.

The Pashtun aren’t native to Afghanistan, and prior to the Anglo/Afghan Wars of the 19th C., weren’t living there.
The Hazara were, 100% chased Elphinstone’s Army back to Pakistan in 1841.
The Warlike rep of Afghans of the past is solely due to the Hazara, not the sneaky Pashtun.

The rest of your comment is Bow Wow.

Indolent
Indolent
June 2, 2023 4:03 pm

I was in a Harris Farm today and looked at the ingredients on the package of a black pudding. Guess what? The first item was “manufactured meat”. Just that no ingredients, just “manufactured meat”.

Lab-Grown Meat Has a Big Problem Very Few People Know About

Rabz
June 2, 2023 4:10 pm

Headlines we’d like to see:

Matt Keane quits gliberal party in disgrace after fast tracking membership application of notorious wrongologist lunatic

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 4:11 pm

a good issue from Hendo this week:

https://thesydneyinstitute.com.au/blog/issue-637/

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 4:12 pm

NATO (why?!) are stationed as peacekeepers and clash with locals who didn’t bother contesting an election out of protest of pro-Kosovo local councils being elected.

Dot – Dates ‘way back to Bill Clinton. There’ve been peacekeepers keeping the sides apart ever since.

The Serb locals are more than usually hostile to NATO because of the Ukraine War. They were apparently painting white Z’s on their vehicles this week. Serbs and Russians have been close for a very long time.

I guess the ethnic Serb bit of Kosovo couldn’t be transferred to Serbia because that would immediately set of an explosion in Bosnia, with the Serbs there demanding the same. That mess has been a similar unsteady and surly truce for a long time too.

As for the Vucic resignation I gather that’s separate – it stems from the two mass shootings recently. There were a lot of protests, and a Howard-style crackdown on unlicensed firearms. As far as I can tell he only stepped down from the leadership of his party not the presidency. Other Cats more familiar with Serb politics could probably give detail.

Kneel
Kneel
June 2, 2023 4:14 pm

“We feel your pain.”

Not pain Vicki, anger.

This man has pledged his life to protect his country. He has trained relentlessly to be good at his job. He has risked his life for his country – our country, MY country! He has been awarded medals for his outstanding contribution.
Those whose job is to oversee his ethical behaviour have deemed that he has done no wrong – or, at least, they cannot so prove he has to a criminal standard.

That is enough for me – that should be enough for anyone.

Like all of us, he is entitled to the presumption of innocence in such matters.

These media clowns have attempted to trash the reputation of a man whose boots they are not worthy to lick. And the judgement is not in his favour? In my opinion, this judge is a fool who destroys the integrity of the court and the respect that it deserves. I sincerely hope any appeal overturns this judgement and that the judge is severely and remorselessly reprimanded for what is in my opinion gross negligence and a miscarriage of justice.

@Dover: please note that I have been careful to state “in my opinion”, which should of course be seen to be my personal opinion only, and I explicitly state that I am unaware of the opinion of the blog owner, and that my statements should in no way be interpreted to be indicative of the blog owner’s (or anyone else’s) opinion. They are my opinion and mine alone, and any liability as to their content is also mine alone, which I freely accept.

Tom
Tom
June 2, 2023 4:15 pm

Phew. The Cat is up again.

Yep. Dover has explained to me in an email that yesterday’s disruption was a “webhost wide upgrade of servers so all sites hosted were offline for an hour or so”.

For me, the disruption was nearer 24 hours, but I have cleared caches and I can again access the Cat via my preferred browser Brave — although I will continue to post daily cartoons and access banking and betting accounts via Microsoft Edge to avoid Brave’s reliability issues.

Thanks, Dover.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
June 2, 2023 4:17 pm

RBS didn’t prove his case. Channel 9 did not have a case to prove.

You are right, Dot. It is a fundamental principle of our legal system that the burden of proof falls on the plaintiff in a civil case or the accuser in a criminal case, not on the respondent or the accused.

A principle that has been under sustained assault from the radfems, the woke left and the Milligan-Ferguson-Wilkinson claque in the media. Witness Higgins’s petulant rant on the steps of the courthouse, for which she should have been done for contempt of court.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 4:21 pm

I was in a Harris Farm today and looked at the ingredients on the package of a black pudding. Guess what? The first item was “manufactured meat”. Just that no ingredients, just “manufactured meat”.

The Yes Minister British Sausage episode was a thing of beauty!

The Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube (1984)

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 4:23 pm

The rest of your comment is Bow Wow.

Woof!

P
P
June 2, 2023 4:27 pm

The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have put up on youtube a video
“Ben Roberts-Smith : How did we get here?”

I do not wish to link it.

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 4:33 pm

The Serbs are rightly hostile to NATO because NATO bombed the shit out of them back in 1999. You see, in Eastern Europe people have long memories, and 1999 isn’t that long ago. NATO sided with the Muslim Albanians and Kosovans against the Christian Serbs. Serbs won’t forgive or forget that for a long time.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 4:34 pm

Hahaha Bruce… you’ve got me going now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apIMpskoi-k Jim’s Christmas speech to staff…

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 4:36 pm

“Kneelsays:
June 2, 2023 at 4:14 pm”

I think you’ve said it best.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 4:40 pm

I can’t fathom why it is a good idea to have NATO peacekeepers there. It really ought to be third parties, plenty who exist in Europe, Asia and the Middle East and have modern, well equipped if not small militaries.

bespoke
bespoke
June 2, 2023 4:46 pm

Yep. Dover has explained to me in an email that yesterday’s disruption was a “webhost wide upgrade of servers so all sites hosted were offline for an hour or so”.

I didn’t think it was some conspiracy,Tom. Shared hosting can effect multiple sites.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 4:47 pm

Shaired hosteing.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 4:49 pm

I can’t fathom why it is a good idea to have NATO peacekeepers there.

Dot – Once a thing is started it’s hard to change horses. KFOR reaches its 24th birthday in 9 days time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 4:50 pm

Muddy

A flawed character who inspired deep loyalty in combat (North Africa, Greece, Wau-Salamaua, Ramu, Tarakan), he would never have been accepted in today’s ADF.

One of the better George Warfe stories was near Salamaua. He was leading a patrol that found some Japanese cooking a pot of rice. Warfe signaled the patrol to lie low. Once the rice was cooked, he ordered an attack. After killing all the Japanese, Warfe and his patrol ate their lunch.

Probably a war crime by the standards of Grandpa Ed Cletus-Case.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 2, 2023 4:51 pm

Lysander says: June 2, 2023 at 1:20 pm

No stairs this time but Biden takes a tumble, yet again:

I haven’t clicked it.
It sounds not quite at the level of “Ow, My Balls!” but still very Idiocratic.
Be distracted by the hapless goon while all the real problems in USA remain unsolved.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 4:53 pm

The photo, believed to date from 2011, shows Roberts-Smith in full combat gear and carrying an automatic weapon while on duty in Afghanistan, and wearing a small shield around his neck.

In the version of the picture released by the Department of Defence, the shield around his neck was blank.

But the original version of the photo, obtained by Nine-Fairfax newspapers, shows Roberts-Smith was wearing a Crusader’s Cross.

Hmmm, 2011. Wasn’t that the year that the current CDF (“Return your medals, junior ranks.”) commanded the Joint Task Force?

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 4:54 pm

Once a thing is started it’s hard to change horses

Now there is a good argument and practical reasons to do so.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 4:56 pm

Dick Ed

The Malmedy Massacre was brought to light by Senator McCarthy in 1949 but there were many others.

The Malmedy Massacre was known well before 1949.

bespoke
bespoke
June 2, 2023 4:57 pm

Serbs did some well documented evil stuff back then.

P
P
June 2, 2023 4:58 pm

“Ben Roberts-Smith defamation case dismissed | A Current Affair”

The gloating on youtube continues.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 4:58 pm

Thanks, Indolent, for the Rowan Atkinson link on free speech and the repeal of Section 5.

He’s a smart cookie. He quoted our contemporary Wormtongue, Obama. Can’t argue with that oracle of modern times.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:00 pm

On Obama’s “we need more speech”, anyone with a function brain cell has to read the subtext though, “we need more of the correct speech”.

I don’t think that was lost on Atkinson, but his audience…not so much.

Pyrmonter
June 2, 2023 5:01 pm

Dot

I’ve run litigation; I’ve even seen Tony Besanko on his feet as counsel. He’s a competent judge and I’d be surprised if he’d misapplied the law of evidence. The threshold required to be met to make out the defences on which the media entities have succeeded are not light, or matters for speculation. We won’t ever see the full judgment (itself pretty extraordinary – there aren’t many judgments that aren’t published in at least some anonymized form) but I fully expect Besanko to have discharged his duty.

The summary is here – https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2023/2023fca0555

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 2, 2023 5:02 pm

Thoughts on how BRS decided to sue.

Imagine when the first negative stories started to come out about BRS and others. It’s about 2017 and he had been working with and probably good mates with Kerry Stokes for about 4 years by then.

Kerry asks BRS to his face are the allegations true. BRS then says a pack of lies from disgruntled and jealous SAS guys. Kerry says well in that case you should sue and I will back you up. Added benefit is that 9 is Kerry’s media rival Hard for BRS to say no and that is how it began.

Just my own conjecture.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 5:03 pm

Dot – Who, exactly? No one wants the job.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:04 pm

I didn’t think it was some conspiracy,Tom

I wanted it to be. Made my cover story of seeing off the Apaches and Ubuntus with my six shooters and handy Lee Enfield more believable.

Shame.

Next time it will be assegais. Just you wait, you doubters.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 2, 2023 5:05 pm

Have been enjoying “American Gods”.
But series 3 and its decided it wants to be a 5 season show not a 4 season one.
Getting a dose of the bloats, lots of filler chucked in and has ruined the flow of the show.

One of the enjoyable things is the deceased wife being treated awfully by absolutely everyone, all the time. (shes back as an undead)
Nearly no-one uses her name, and, thanks to her reason for becoming deceased you dont feel that bad for her.

Deadwife to deadsinger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Kspj3OO0s&list=RDGMEMQ1dJ7wXfLlqCjwV0xfSNbAVM_256xd9N27o&index=2

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 5:06 pm

Dotsays:
June 2, 2023 at 2:54 pm
Ed’s latest muse, Freda Uttley:

“There is no crime that the Nazis committed that we or our allies did not also commit ourselves”

Perhaps after he provides the evidence about the PoW garroting Japanese sentries, Grandpa Ed Cletus-Case can provide evidence of the Allied extermination camps, complete with photos of the gas chambers and crematoria. Aunt Freda might be able to help.

But probably not.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:09 pm

Awwwww. I’ve made someone’s widdle bottom lip twemble.

Cheer up sunshine.

JC
JC
June 2, 2023 5:12 pm

Dot says:
June 2, 2023 at 3:20 pm

JC

What do you think of the Asian Clearing Union starting their own alternative to SWIFT?

(It’s sort of dumb, they can use BTC!….)

Dot, it’s been around for decades, I think.

Look, I went out with a trader pal last night, and the dude has all these theories about how the Chinese are trying to undercut the greenback’s reserve status. The doofus had all these theories about how China would win out, and then I asked him a couple of things.

1. Is the Yuan convertible? No, it isn’t.
2. Are the countries associating with this crap upstanding and creditworthy? If you think Argentina, Brazil, Russia, and Iran are acceptable, then that’s fine.
3. Would you trust the Chinese Communist Party? No freaking way.
4. Can you buy pretty much any asset in China? No, you can’t.

The Hiden regime has done a lot to damage the reputation of the dollar, which should make everyone concerned. The confiscation of those yachts, private jets, and real estate in Europe was a freaking travesty. It was always understood that dollar holdings outside of the US were never at risk of confiscation. It was what actually gave rise to the eurodollar market in Europe. Now, not so much. But all things being equal, you can’t trust those commies in Beijing either.

There is a case that the US has become too arrogant about these matters.

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 5:13 pm

Indolent says:
June 2, 2023 at 3:56 pm

How the FBI Lost, Found, and Rewarded the Alleged Russian Spy Pivotal to Surveilling Trump

Welcome to The New Normal.
You’ll like it here.
Everyone does.
Soma?

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:14 pm

How can you “quit in disgrace”?

You can resign or you can be sacked.

Did Seven apply pressure? In that case, shame on them.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:16 pm

I didn’t think my disgust for the media class could get lower.

I was mistaken.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 5:19 pm

The threshold required to be met to make out the defences on which the media entities have succeeded are not light, or matters for speculation.

No. Judges get it wrong sometimes.

close to beyond reasonable doubt, that the imputations were well-founded.

You have got to be kidding yourself here if you still believe this. Just admit that you were wrong. Substantial (of some of the allegations) and (but especially) contextual truth are nowhere near reasonable doubt.

Making slight errors in characterising someone’s actions could sink a criminal case – from one witness making one inference in court.

BRS didn’t prove his case. Channel 9 had no case to prove and printing something in a newspaper is not a fact or agreed fact.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 5:19 pm

IIRC, it was Ted Serong, not George Warfe who founded JTC.

Open to correction.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 5:20 pm

That’s the post-War JTC, not the wartime one.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:22 pm

A surfeit of hyperbole has struck me midships, so I will rephrase.

I didn’t think my disgust for the media class could possibly intensify.

I was mistaken.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 2, 2023 5:26 pm

Alan Jones’s take on the subject.

——–

ADH TV:

‘We ingratiated ourselves to Afghanistan leadership over unproven allegations inspired by an ABC report.’

Alan Jones details how utterly flawed the Brereton Report’s supposed findings are.

Australia’s treatment of war heroes is beyond disgraceful | Alan Jones

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 5:27 pm

I’ve even seen Tony Besanko on his feet as counsel. He’s a competent judge and I’d be surprised if he’d misapplied the law of evidence.

That may well be the case. Although there have been many decisions made in the Federal Court over the years that have raised the concern of observers – although not by Besanko.

The despair that has been raised by this decision relates to the substance of the complaints against BRS, and the campaign by some of the media to bring the Special Forces, in general, into disrepute. There are some elements within the media (and the Left leaning media, in particular) that do not like the military per se and pretty much despise what they stand for.

The wishful thinking Left seem to believe that there is no evil in the world – only the dispossessed driven to do bad things because they have no choice. It is a dangerous and fanciful belief that will all of us undone if ever the Left are allowed to dictate foreign policy.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 2, 2023 5:27 pm

Another think with the American Gods filler, its caught a bad dose of “modern Audiences” and “current year”…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sjIWSdPvJU

P
P
June 2, 2023 5:27 pm

It’s all about smashing the structures.
Among the first was SSM, then the Church and now the ADF.
In the case of Pell and BRS it was go for the highest profile.

cohenite
June 2, 2023 5:37 pm

Alan Jones on the BRS BS. Brereton and the abc do another hit job.

Apparently the afghan complaints were solicited much as was done with Pell.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 5:37 pm

Alan Jones details how utterly flawed the Brereton Report’s supposed findings are

Thanks for the link; was a great job from AJ (excepting the salmon blazer).

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 2, 2023 5:38 pm

Hey Muddy, re your 3:17 post, I note of Warfe’s Wiki entry: His second marriage produced three sons, all of whom entered the Australian Army and reached the rank of colonel.

What a splendid effort!

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 5:39 pm

Boambee John says:
June 2, 2023 at 4:50 pm.

Re. the Warfe and rice story.
In the second or third week of February, 1943, Warfe and a party of 8 or 9 men were on the Jap Track, the route by which the Japanese Okabe Shitai (102nd Inf Regt, 51st Div) had approached Wau in late Jan ’43.

Warfe and his unit at the time, the 2/3rd Australian Independent Company, were part of the pursuit force after the Japanese, having lost just over 1,000 killed, evacuated their positions south and southeast of Wau, and slowly withdrew to their Bitoi Valley (Mubo) forward base, which was between Salamaua on the coast, and Wau in the inland Bulolo Valley.

To cut a lengthy story short, Warfe’s men ran out of food. Warfe himself was somewhat reckless in proceeding on this patrol, as the Jap Track was wild country, and as the unit O.C., he was thus out of contact with the bulk of his coy during active operations, for a period of four or five days. Most of Okabe Force were in a starving condition, so the ‘rice party’ may have been part of a No. 5 Sasebo SNLP which had been pushed forward from the Bitoi Valley to support the withdrawal of Okabe’s men.

My general point is that this story, which has several variations, is nonetheless based on an actual event. The general location and time period (give or take a handful of days) can be identified with confidence.

Despite being a former 17th Bde coy commander (2/6th Inf Bn), Warfe’s wandering was not appreciated by Kanga Force HQ, and the belief among his men was that this may have contributed to their fearless leader missing out on a deserved DSO for the campaign. That the ind coys were out of favour with Kanga and the army hierarchy did not help ‘George,’ however, he continued to lead his ‘boys’ in the 2/3rd Ind Coy who were semi-isolated for several months, before taking the reins of a militia battalion, which, after their Salamaua and Ramu campaigns, became a very fine unit, acquitting themselves well on Bougainville in ’45. Warfe at that time, was on Tarakan.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 5:39 pm

It’s all about smashing the structures.
Among the first was SSM, then the Church and now the ADF.
In the case of Pell and BRS it was go for the highest profile.

Agreed. The military also is a target since they are the only ones who can physically prevent a full takeover by the Left, which they think is necessary to save humanity. We’ve all seen the denaturing of the ADF going on, and likewise in the US where it’s even more advanced. And the SAS are the most dangerous and least corruptible part of the military…

Vicki
Vicki
June 2, 2023 5:40 pm
JC
JC
June 2, 2023 5:40 pm

To make a point about how wokeism may have peaked – at least, I believe it has. Earlier this week, I stated that very significant US corporations would be terrified of what happened to Anheuser-Busch.

As a rebuttal to what I said, The Turtlehead, the site’s semi-sentient resident genius, suggested a little retailer called Kohl’s just brought out trannie outfits for kids.. I looked at the stock price. Kohl’s stock was trading about $21 per share last Thursday. It closed last night for $18. Since bad information about the poor products they were trying to sell began to surface, the stock has plunged 15%.

There’s that.

As I said, large, not small but large US firms are likely to be terrified.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:41 pm

I’ve even seen Tony Besanko on his feet as counsel. He’s a competent judge and I’d be surprised if he’d misapplied the law of evidence.

I’ve seen extremely competent people make mistakes. I’ve also seen them leaned on and fold to pressure.

You live long enough, you see a lot of sh*t.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 5:42 pm

… that has been raised by this decision relates to the substance of the complaints against BRS,
And those complaints were from eyewitmesses, to wit, his own SAS comrades.
They were vindicated yesterday, a victory for them over the ADF.
… and the campaign by some of the media to bring the Special Forces, in general, into disrepute.
I think you’ll find the MSM dragged their feet on reporting the issue, which had been around since about 2007, and when they finally located a Spine, Stokes sued the shit outta them.

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 5:43 pm

“It’s all about smashing the structures.”

And therein lies the rub. Everything is in the firing line, to be smeared, ridiculed, and smashed, Catholic prelates, our soldiers, white males, masculinity, private schools, Catholic and other religious hospitals. They’re not even trying to hide anymore, it’s out in the open, it’s about destroying western society.

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 5:44 pm

Top Ender says:
June 2, 2023 at 5:38 pm

Hey Muddy, re your 3:17 post, I note of Warfe’s Wiki entry: His second marriage produced three sons, all of whom entered the Australian Army and reached the rank of colonel.

What a splendid effort!

Correct. There was at least one granddaughter in the army the last time I heard also.

Do you know anyone who would like to (and is capable of) taking on the task of turning research into a bio of George Warfe DSO, MC, Top Ender?

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 5:44 pm

FakeNews?

The Leader of the Russian Wagner Group said the leaders mercenary army will not continue fighting in Ukraine if the war effort continues to be “led by clowns who turn people into meat.”

Yevgeny Prigozhin, who was previously a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has become increasingly critical of the Kremlin’s war efforts. Wagner, the private army founded by Prigozhin, has experienced heavy losses fighting in Ukraine.

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 5:45 pm

“AJ (excepting the salmon blazer)”

Oh well, our Alan does like his mousse.

Lysander
Lysander
June 2, 2023 5:48 pm

It’s all about smashing the structures.
Among the first was SSM, then the Church and now the ADF.
In the case of Pell and BRS it was go for the highest profile.

I agree. But in doing so they’ve burnt themselves – people don’t buy their BS on climate or chinaflu or vaxes, mainstream news ratings are at all time lows. It typical Leftardism where they come up with “great” ideas that end up going too far and burning themselves. Third wave feminism is one such more example.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 5:48 pm

And just in case the Speech Police are monitoring, that last was not directed at the judge, just observations of the way the world works.

Because it’s a maze of conflicting desires and pressures. Some people are immune, but most are not.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 5:49 pm

Apparently the afghan complaints were solicited much as was done with Pell.

This is another problem I have with the allegations. Ali Jan was described as a shepherd and a farmer – two different, but related jobs. They are related, sure, and some farmers are shepherds, but farming implies land tenure and perhaps growing crops as well. Would you confuse shepherds with farmers?

The “star” Afghani witness described him as a labourer. The same witness denied being paid for testimony.

Presuming the Afghanis mean the same thing because they are poorer is actually racist to some extent. They have their own language and interpreters, which are used in court.

How often have you called a farmer or a shepherd, a labourer? If the witness meant to say “he was a working man”, the interpreter would have said it.

Would you confuse a farmer with a labourer? Would you confuse a shepherd with a labourer?

caveman
caveman
June 2, 2023 5:50 pm

You get rewarded for good things what BRS did to save his comrades is good. And they want him to give back his VC…um,No.
Why don’t you get Lisa Wilkinson to give back her tool award and while we are at why isn’t the NRL and AFL involved with taking points off the nearest footy team closest to Afganhistan.

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 5:51 pm

Boambee John says:
June 2, 2023 at 5:19 pm

Correct, B.J.
Then Lt. Col. George Warfe did not re-establish the postwar JTC, but was, as I stated above somewhere, the first Chief Instructor of Battle Wing. Colonel Kelly (Apologies, I forget his initials), was the first Commandant, and was replaced by Col. Serong after roughly six or so months (I’m guessing the timing there). According to Serong’s biographer, it was his initiative that saw JTC reborn. (I have no evidence to present, but some have interpreted Ann Blair’s bio of Serong as a little ‘puffed.’).

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 2, 2023 5:51 pm

I was talking to the woman in the local bottle shop. She said that just the previous night she had been at a teachers – parent thing for one of her kids.

At one point in the evening she was mortified to discover she had been mispronouncing one of the teachers’ names as ‘Tristian’ when she finally found out it was ‘Tristan’.

I said “I hope he wasn’t Iseulted”…and she got it!

Classy suburb!

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 5:51 pm

So, BRS has quit his job, and now his children have a father who is unemployed, and is being described in the media as a “war criminal” and “murderer”.

I hope his ex-wife is proud.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 2, 2023 5:55 pm

JCsays:
June 2, 2023 at 5:40 pm

Reading a few articles which seem to have a fair bit of rumbling about the validity of “ESG” as a metric of value in the US.
Seems the introduction and application to established profitable companies allowed them to trumpet it as “companies with high ESG values outperform the market”, 15 years on and the actual effects on legacy behemoths seems very questionable.

Also: This may be the best tweet Ive read… ever.. (and has finally inspired me to join twitter just to follow this person)

https://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1664326505491472385?cxt=HHwWgoCx4fCI8JguAAAA

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 2, 2023 5:57 pm

Maybe Muddy. Get my email off Dover and contact me and we can talk.

Muddy
Muddy
June 2, 2023 5:59 pm

Thanks, Top Ender. Will do.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 2, 2023 6:01 pm

Grandpa Ed Cletus-Case

Stop wasting time babbling, and get on with providing evidence to support your allegation about a PoW garroting Japanese sentries. Also, some links to the Allied extermination camps, including photos of the gas chambers and crematoria.

Or are both stories more of your un-creative fictions?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 2, 2023 6:01 pm

It’s all about smashing the structures.

Name names.
And don’t cop out by saying “The Lefrt.”
Among the first was SSM,
Okay.
the Church
the Church has been leading the way on PC, situational ethics and wokeness for a while
and now the ADF.

The allegations about Roberts-Smith from his own comrades predates Brereton by years.
Bottom line is that Roberts-Smith is the ADF’s boy [d’ya think they just hand out VCs to Proles anymore] and they’ve bent over backwards to blame and investigate everyone bar him.
It’s an old story, the same happened with The Voyager Collision [everyone who blew the whistle didn’t go any further in the Navy].

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
June 2, 2023 6:01 pm

Ex-Adm. Chris Barrie just on ABC radio commenting as you would expect.
These people sure love to kick someone when he is down.
Pres. Zelensky should offer BRS a job and citizenship.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
June 2, 2023 6:06 pm

I’ve not been following the whole PWC debacle, so perhaps this is already widely known, but I had an interesting lunch today.

Whilst 9 or so partners may well be somehow directly implicated, well over 50 (I got the impression that this was a low-ball) viewed the information and did nothing. Dating back some years.

PWC are already being dis-invited from day-to-day advisory roles – one mentioned was a regularly-scheduled talk with the remuneration committee of a top 50 company – and are preparing to lose their auditing business for at least a decade as companies roll over their auditors.

“Treason” is the fear, apparently. And, as always, the cover-up is likely to do more damage than the initial transgression. One suggestion was that a (domestic) future in Oz was looking tricky if auditing disappears and advisory is badly compromised.

Of course, all just hearsay.

What is NOT hearsay is that Meat & Wine’s onion rings – once the finest going around – have deteriorated. At least in South Yarra. A great sadness.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 2, 2023 6:08 pm

They don’t like it up ’em, you know. The Herald-Sun reports:

The Source – Putting the squeeze on Victorias movers, shakers and headline makers.

Have you seen this bike? If so, could you kindly inform Supreme Court judge, Justice Lex Lasry?

His Honour keeps well by driving Porsches and riding very fancy push bikes very long distances.

He also tweets.

A rather miffed Lasry has posted photos of the Pinarello bike (valued at $15,000) complete with serial number, after “some gutless moron” broke into his basement on Monday and stole it and another bike.

His Honour’s brutal verdict?

“Pathetic”.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 2, 2023 6:12 pm

Can BRS sue the media again, LIKE RIGHT NOW! for those claims of “war criminal” and “murderer” as Cassie mentioned above?

As repeated by many above, this was not a criminal case, yet the MSM whores treat it as if it were. Even Stoke’s newspaper ( toilet paper of last resort has murderer on the front page ) Perhaps it would have been prudent for the Judge to hold of ruling until a criminal case has proceeded? Legal minds to chime in on that…

It is a sh*t show.

Happy to have lunch with Dad today and we both agree on that.

Indolent
Indolent
June 2, 2023 6:13 pm
Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 6:13 pm

Good lord. Does anyone remember this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9841461/Afghan-villagers-did-not-Ben-Roberts-Smith-kill-prisoner-called-Ali-Jan.html

Three Afghan witnesses called to give evidence against war hero Ben Roberts-Smith at his defamation trial did not see the alleged murder of a man called Ali Jan in their village.

Two of the witnesses said they saw Mr Roberts-Smith kick Ali Jan while he was standing above a creek bed, and three said they later heard gunfire and saw his corpse.

“Near reasonable doubt” some say…

Mohammed Hanifa, who has also lived most of his life in the tiny village of Darwan, told the Federal Court on Tuesday a Dr Sharif had been paying for his accommodation, food and transport since earlier this year. Dr Sharif works for representatives of Nine newspapers

Bring back champerty and maintenance!

Each said a local representative for Nine had been paying their family’s living expenses since moving to Kandahar, then Kabul, earlier this year.

One of them was accompanied by his wife and five children, another by his wife and six children and a third had 14 relatives with him.

Seriously!

They all repeatedly denied telling lies about what happened in Darwan on the day Ali Jan was allegedly killed. Three described Ali Jan as a ‘martyr’ and two called the Australian soldiers infidels.

Strange choice of words.

The 38-year-old said Ali Jan was not a member of the Taliban. He owned animals and gathered wood from the mountains to sell.

So apparently he’s been described as having four different professions now.

Mr Hanifa denied Ali Jan was connected to the Taliban – ‘no, nothing like that’ – or any sort of fighter. ‘No, he was providing for his children and he was protecting his family and his property,’ he said.

What an odd thing to say about a stand up guy who wasn’t fighting the SASR.

He took out a pistol and he put it on my throat. He put it there and he said, “You are a Talib. I shot your father”.’

Seems like no one’s Dad was shot and why would they say that?

Instead of having executed a prisoner, Mr Roberts-Smith said he was nearby when Person 11 engaged and killed a Taliban ‘spotter’ in a cornfield.

Oh look one of the witnesses was apparently a corn farmer too. What a coincidence.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 6:17 pm

PWC are already being dis-invited from day-to-day advisory roles – one mentioned was a regularly-scheduled talk with the remuneration committee of a top 50 company – and are preparing to lose their auditing business for at least a decade as companies roll over their auditors.

Not a tear was shed. When Deloitte and PWC etc started putting on “government” and “social responsibility” directors, you knew they didn’t give a damn about auditing, advisory or analysis, just globs of cash for being whores rabbiting on predetermined decisions and positions.

cohenite
June 2, 2023 6:20 pm

BRS was awarded a medal for gallantry in 2006 and his VC for actions in 2010 which are described here.

And we have grubs like filth senator shoebridge saying that VC should be stripped from him. Now Chris Barrie, some pissant admiral has come out and attacked him. And we’ve got crotchless berating the big guy. FMD. You’re in afghanistan, a shithole full of ISIS, Taliban and every other muslim vermin, none in uniform, ALL looking to stab you in the back and he is now being crucified by a jealous backstabbing ex SAS and some afghan pissholes.

m0nty
m0nty
June 2, 2023 6:24 pm

This is something that people seem to continually miss about warfare..

There is no such thing as an innocent civilian/non combatant.

If an opposing power has declared war on your nation, that declaration is absolute.

They do not care if you want no part in it, if you as an individual surrender.
They will kill you and destroy your village because that is the nature of war.

The whole concept of ‘war crimes’ and ‘international law’ is a fallacy that has existed largely since the early 20th century.

If you are at war, all those in the opposing nation are to be assumed to be an enemy

This is the amorality of someone who intends to commit genocide on the losers if they win.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 6:24 pm

FakeNews?

Dunno, but Dmitry Utkin of Wagner resurfaced yesterday to slag off Kadyrov’s Chechens. Apparently there’s been a bit of mutual angst between the two organizations this week. Cats will know that I’ve commented on Mr Utkin in the past. He’s an interesting guy.

‘Stop yelling’: Top Chechen fighter scolds Russia’s Wagner mercenary chief (Reuters, 2 Jun)

I saw a translation of Mr Utkin’s comments earlier, they were entertaining! Add in Col. Girkin in your link Lysander and you have enough tea leaves to read for a whole roomful of spooks. I think a lot of this stuff is for show, but it’s still interesting.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 6:28 pm

Interesting contrast.

Seven is doing a piece on the “first responders”, read Fire Brigade, and the fire in Surry Hills. All about “split second decisions” and courage. A building fire.

The same network that has seen off BRS.

Don’t worry. They won’t die of shame.

cohenite
June 2, 2023 6:28 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 6:29 pm

This is the amorality of someone who intends to commit genocide on the losers if they win.

Modus operandi of the Left.
The Left is the amoral side Monty.
They’re the ones who dispensed with Judaeo-Christian morality.

cohenite
June 2, 2023 6:30 pm

This is the amorality of someone who intends to commit genocide on the losers if they win.

Like the genocide orange stan said happened to the 3rd nations; is that what you mean dickless.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 2, 2023 6:35 pm

Extensive Hunter Biden laptop archive with nearly 10,000 photos published on new website

This story amused me:

Huge Trove of Photos from Hunter Biden’s Laptop Released (1 Jun)

Why weren’t these photos released sooner, you ask? Well, according to Zeigler, the process took several months to finalize in order to make the photos suitable for public release.

“It’s taken us a couple of months to, one, go through the photos, about 10,000 of them, and redact the genitalia on the photos,” Ziegler told Fox New Digital.

That’s a lot of dick pics…

Cassie of Sydney
June 2, 2023 6:35 pm

“This is the amorality of someone who intends to commit genocide on the losers if they win.”

Ah yes, and so the pervert apologist appears. I clearly recall the pervert apologist’s own “amorality” on these pages when he described those who murder Jews as having “legitimate grievances”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 6:36 pm

This is the amorality of someone who intends to commit genocide on the losers if they win.

You mean like Cambodia?

Roger
Roger
June 2, 2023 6:38 pm

Had to go to the local metropolis today.

Saw the front pages of the papers, none of which I’ll ever purchase again…on principle.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 6:38 pm

That’s a lot of dick pics…

mUnty will be disappointed. He loves a 9 inch hog.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 6:40 pm

I think the meja have really jumped the shark with their spite and malice. How low can they go? What steaming trash they are.

Zatara
Zatara
June 2, 2023 6:40 pm

Good piece on Shareholder Capitalism vs. “Stakeholder Capitalism” and ESG on the Ace of Spades site.

But remember, Blackrock, Vanguard, and Obama’s other corporate socialist suckbuddies have engineered an economy based on “stakeholder capitalism” — not shareholder capitalism, but “stakeholder” capitalism, in which everyone — from the workers to the gays who have nothing at all to do with the company — is of a higher priority than the actual owners of the company.

“Stakeholder capitalism” — true name, corporate communism — claims that everyone has a “stake” in a company. Everyone. A “stake” is an intangible, non-monetary interest.

Every person in the LGBTQ Mafia has a “stake” in Target whether or not they shop there, and whether or not they own stock. Their “stake” is a general stake in whether or not corporations act as “allies” and provide “visibility” — mainstreaming — to their groomer causes.

So Blackrock, Vanguard, and Obama’s cadre of well-heeled radicals have invented a theory of fiduciary duty in which there is little to no duty owed to those with an actual financial stake in the company, and a major duty owed to those who don’t have a stake in the company.

And you can’t sue them for mismanagement or misappropriation of shareholder value because this theory says, “You don’t have a special privilege just because you own Target stock. Target owes a more important duty to Trans Five Year Olds, who must be ‘validated’ and made to feel ‘seen’ by us stocking baby-sized ‘Ask Me About My Pronouns’ onesies. We have to weigh our (limited) duty to shareholders against our much more important duty to ‘stakeholder.’”

Don’t like that Target is destroying your value, Target shareholders? Well shut up bigot, and suck a Lady Penis, because Dylan Mulvaney and Lia Thomas are “stakeholders” in Target and xeir feelings are more important than your dirty monetary stake in the company.

Below, Midnight’s Edge explains “stakeholder capitalism,” which is a euphemism for “socialism.”

If it seems like companies are no longer attempting to please their customers or their shareholders — you have interpreted the situation correctly.

They now consider customers and shareholders to be disfavored groups of very low priority. The important groups they are trying to please are “the oppressed” and “the marginalized,” even if they have nothing to do with the company, even if they do not buy its projects, even if they do not invest in it.

This isn’t a mistake — it’s the entire intent of Stakeholder Socialism.

Skip to 17:13 to hear about “stakeholder capitalism.” The beginning just talks about Disney producing one bomb after another, destroying shareholder value — and calling themselves heroes for doing so. And then he talks about ESG and lines of credit being conditioned on keeping a high ESG score. And then he plays a clip of Bob Iger telling a shareholder who is sick of Disney’s money-burning woke agenda that no, Disney will never abandon its commitment to “improving the world” and “increasing tolerance,” even if that costs shareholders money.

In the last bit of the video, Blackrock founder Larry Fine talks about his philosophy of “forcing” people into leftwing social change. He says “force” about six times in two minutes. He’s proud to use his economic clout to force people to be leftists.

How ESG and Stakeholder Capitalism and DESTROYED Disney, Marvel and Star Wars

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 6:51 pm

Media watchdog in da house. Woof woof.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 6:58 pm

Thanks, Bear.

Here’s a link for the lazy.

Good derg.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 2, 2023 7:03 pm

Is VDH, is good.
RTWT

https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/07/the-impending-thermidor-reaction-in-jacobin-america/?_hsmi=260410027
Like Revolutionary France, our woke revolution was contrary to human nature and therefore had to be imposed by force or coercion.

Merit is the great enemy of wokeness. One day SAT tests were blind mechanisms to allow the less privileged to compete on the basis of talent rather than parentage. The next day such tests were deemed counterrevolutionary, racist enemies of the people. Universities boast of rejecting 60-70 percent of those who scored perfect on SATs, as if their excellence was proof of their “privilege.”

Jurisprudence was tarred as racist, as if laws against shoplifting, looting, smash-and-grab, car-jacking, and arson were created only by elite white men who never had the need to steal or loot and who therefore made silly, arbitrary laws against them.

A desperate and woke NBA now brags that its recent playoff televised audience reached over 4 million viewers. A quarter-century ago, when the U.S. population was nearly 60 million smaller, the pre-Jacobin NBA won over 70 million viewers who watched the 1998 finals.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 2, 2023 7:03 pm

What do you think of the Asian Clearing Union starting their own alternative to SWIFT?

Point-to-point clearing in real-time has been in place between few different Asian countries. Instant bank transfers from Singapore to Phils, India, Thailand and others.

Swift may be used for larger transfers but its becoming irrelevant at the retail level. And yes, BTC was used for cross-asian transfers since 2015, I worked on the BTC exchange that introduced the feature.

Tom
Tom
June 2, 2023 7:10 pm

I think the meja have really jumped the shark with their spite and malice.

The Age’s Nick McKenzie, who has spent the past five years singlemindedly devoted to destroying the career of Australia’s most decorated war hero, Ben Roberts-Smith, Is not a journalist’s bottom.

McKenzie couldn’t give a sh*t about the Australian national interest. Through his actions, the only thing he cares about is destroying the capability of the Australian military’s most capable war-fighting squadron, the SAS, by destroying the reputation and career of its most capable soldier.

Like 99.9% of the dregs who have graduated from journalism school, McKenzie became a journalist to “make a difference”, but making a difference for him has nothing to do with the public interest.

McKenzie is having the best week of his career as an activist of the progressive left devoted to: a) making the ADF incapable of fighting wars; b) making it virtually impossible for anyone but the Greens and their useful idiots, the ALP, to hold power at state or federal level in Australia.

As for the Australian adults concerned about the direction of the country under the Green-Labor federal government, Nick McKenzie couldn’t care less because this week he has cemented his place as a media enforcer for the new Green-left establishment.

Roger
Roger
June 2, 2023 7:14 pm

Here’s a link for the lazy.

Lordy…Establishments aren’t always intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt, but going by what Gerard reports, the Prog Left certainly is.

Delta A
Delta A
June 2, 2023 7:16 pm

Just watched the best footy match evah! Son in Law, three grandies and two dergs. Much screeching and kicking and holding the man – mainly the prissy poodle, with the sheepdog putting him in his place.
Score: nil nil, with baths all round.

Nothing like footy-in-the- mud.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 7:22 pm

McKenzie is having the best week of his career as an activist

They all want to make a name for themselves. Doesn’t matter how, and definitely doesn’t matter if it’s the truth or not. Or who they destroy in the process.

Little men and women. Eventually they shrink into their own shadows.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 7:25 pm

I saw the Aged for sale at coles-shell this morning. Does anyone actually buy it?

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 7:31 pm

At the risk of repeating myself the Aged/Sydney Morning Vomit mindset is captured in Malcolm Bradbury’s The History Man written in 1975! I can’t actually watch the TV version (which is very good) because the destruction of Carmody is too painful to watch. Destruction is what these evil people are about.

Frank
Frank
June 2, 2023 7:34 pm

They all want to make a name for themselves. Doesn’t matter how, and definitely doesn’t matter if it’s the truth or not. Or who they destroy in the process.

Yes, exhibit A: Antony Loewenstein. In lieu of any tangible virtue there is always infamy, almost guaranteed to work too.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 2, 2023 7:35 pm

P says: June 2, 2023 at 5:27 pm

It’s all about smashing the structures.
Among the first was SSM, then the Church and now the ADF.

Would it be fair to say that three things most conservatives place high value on are Family, Religion, and Country? Because that list does sound like a work order for the regressive Left.

It also sounds like the Who, Why, and How Long? of building a society.

Tom
Tom
June 2, 2023 7:38 pm

I saw the Aged for sale at coles-shell this morning. Does anyone actually buy it?

The Age is no longer a newspaper. Everything it publishes now has a political purpose that has nothing to do with the public interest.

It’s now basically the media indoctrination bible of the Victorian public service and a willing media enforcer for the Andrews regime’s crushing of small business under a mountain of new taxes and charges.

It used to be a liberal-leaning reporter of news, but there is no room for that now. The regime now demands total obedience from its media allies.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 7:45 pm

Yes and Costello actually associates himself with this!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 2, 2023 7:48 pm

Antony Loewenstein

Ha! The Ant!

He seems less than prosperous in terms of progressive izzat.

His schtick of denouncing Israel is a little outdated in these days of Tranny Story Hours.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 2, 2023 7:49 pm

Dead man in brothel sparks drug supply probe
The Daily Telegraph gets to grips with the big issues.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 2, 2023 7:54 pm

Meanwhile unnoticed by most of the meeja:

A paramedic helping a man brutally stabbed on an Alice Springs street was assaulted with the town now on edge, fearing an escalation in violence.

St John Ambulance service director Andrew Thomas said a paramedic was struck in the back of the head while “trying to save a life” on Todd Street about 3pm Thursday.

The injured officer, and another woman, were taken to hospital with injuries but have since been discharged.

It is understood rocks were thrown at the emergency services, with police guarding the ambulance while first aid was done on the injured man.

He died on the street, near the Todd Tavern.

“(Thursday), St John NT staff dealt with a number of cases which were difficult, confronting and impactful,” Mr Thomas said.

“On top of these we unfortunately saw one of our paramedics being assaulted while performing their role in trying to save a life at an incident near the Todd Tavern in Alice Springs.

“St John NT fully supports all legal action to be taken against perpetrators of violence and aggression to any of our staff and also supports staff removing or withdrawing from locations if they are threatened or feel unsafe,” Mr Thomas said.

“Zero level of aggression to our staff is what they deserve and should expect.”

Police arrested a man soon after the alleged incident and he remains in custody.

No charges have been filed.

It is believed the man who died was recently released from prison, and the incident was considered payback.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 2, 2023 7:57 pm

I saw the Aged for sale at coles-shell this morning. Does anyone actually buy it

That’s not some new Boomer lifestyle magazine is it?

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 7:59 pm

Dunno Bear- maybe they still have ‘the good weekend’ insert

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 2, 2023 8:01 pm

Dot says:
June 2, 2023 at 6:13 pm
Good lord. Does anyone remember this?

Ah, yes.
Also keep in mind the “brave” journo’s didn’t even do the interviews of the original accusers (the one that aired on 7:30).
They paid a poor chap with a video camera to go out to the province to ask the questions.

MatrixTransform
June 2, 2023 8:01 pm

Morals are not a coat you can take off or on depending on the circumstances

au contraire …

morals are cultural
and, as such, exactly depend on circumstances

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 2, 2023 8:01 pm

The Daily Telegraph gets to grips with the big issues.

There would have been the initial frenzied activity verifying that he was not one of a protected species.

Dot
Dot
June 2, 2023 8:01 pm

The Daily Telegraph gets to grips with the big issues.

The Kurgan gives some friendly life advice regarding the matter.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 2, 2023 8:02 pm

That one minute headline will have involved hours of phone calls just to check.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 2, 2023 8:05 pm

Today I learned that the Mongols had battles against the remnants of the Knights Templar.
And some big ones against the Teutonic knights.
Those Mongols knew how to have an away game.

Tom
Tom
June 2, 2023 8:05 pm
calli
calli
June 2, 2023 8:06 pm

Dead man in brothel sparks drug supply probe

Chuckle. Areff! Your opinion on this headline please.

Razey
Razey
June 2, 2023 8:08 pm

This is the average leftwing loon attitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPiIwFOQtU

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 2, 2023 8:11 pm

Nice Razey.
This one’s better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkn7lO-nZGU

rosie
rosie
June 2, 2023 8:11 pm

Andrews government to backtrack on controversial schools tax
After fierce backlash from Catholic and private schools, Daniel Andrews says the government will revise plans for a controversial schools tax.

shatterzzz
June 2, 2023 8:14 pm

The Malmedy Massacre was known well before 1949.

The Malmedy-Cross-Roads trial lasted from 16 May to 16 July 1946 .. 43 defendants were condemned to death, 23 to life in prison and eight received shorter sentences ..
The 4 senior commanding officers .. Sepp Deitrich (6 Panzer Army) received a 25 years sentence, Hermann Priess (Commander, Adolph Hitler Division) .. 18 years, Kraemer (1st SS Armoured Corps) .. 10 years & Jochen Peiper (combat group commander).. death sentence ..
In March 1948 31 of the death sentences were remitted .. General Lucius Clay reduced the remaining death sentences from 12 to 6 and in 1951 the remaining 6 were commuted to life imprisonment ..
By April 1952 only those serving life were still in prison (13) .. Sepp Deitrich was the last of the Malmedy defendants to be released in October 1955 ..
NONE of the 74 SS troops tried were executed …….

Frank
Frank
June 2, 2023 8:16 pm

“Dead man in brothel sparks drug supply probe”

Dyslexia kicked in with that one: “Dead man in brothel spark plugs supply probe”.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 8:16 pm

morals are cultural
and, as such, exactly depend on circumstances

I disagree.

If morals are cultural, they must be established over time, just as culture is.

Circumstances are immediate by their very nature.

JC
JC
June 2, 2023 8:17 pm

Andrews government to backtrack on controversial schools tax

They’re trying to ruin the so-called gig economy as best they can. One example of the gig economy would Uber.

This morning I heard another Hunchback ad encouraging people who work in the “gig-economy” to make contact with a state government entity and it will check if you’re being underpaid. This was an ad!

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 8:21 pm

Uh oh. I’ve annoyed someone again.

¯\_(?)_/¯

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 2, 2023 8:22 pm

Victoria sounds likes it’s in top shape.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 2, 2023 8:23 pm

Isn’t Andrews sacking pubic servants? His core supporters I would have thought.

calli
calli
June 2, 2023 8:24 pm

There goes my happy face. It’s just another question mark on the vast plain of life. 😀

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