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Open Thread – Tues 30 May 2023
As of today, despite repeated requests, nothing had been provided to the court and not even a response.Seeing the future,…
It doesn’t matter if they are referred to as dictators. Your argument is that dictators are not politicians; they obviously…
In a solid gold box maybe?
If anyone has some must do’s in Ireland please share.
At the same time, in an adjacent court, another sexual assault was being heard, and Heidi Yates, the so called “ACT Victims of Crime Commissioner”, was no where to be seen. Clearly Ms Yates wasn’t very worried about that woman’s anxieties.
Yates isn’t the only support person in the Victims of Crime Commission.
Are you saying that the victim in the other Court had no support person even though they had requested one?
Are you saying that Yates shoulda left Higgins in the lurch and headed to the Court next door?
Or is this just more of your Bow Wow?
He praised Morrison, McGowan, Andrews, Berejiklian (and Hazzard, Elliot & Speakman) and Palazsckuk…?
Dot, for me, it’s further evidence that many/most in academia are so far removed from the “struggles of the everyday man” it’s ridick
Not to harp on this series, but one of the charms of ‘Succession’ is Connor, the oldest sibling, half-sibling actually, the child of Logan’s first marriage, whose mother ended up ‘in an asylum’. Connor is middle-aged, wealthy, greying, and just a little bit stupid, likely undiagnosed marginally autistic, and he makes no play to succeed as a leader nor even as a voice within the firm. Connor is loved but written off by Logan and the three children of a later marriage to a cold and brisk British aristocrat. As a multi-billionaire’s child however, he decides to have a go at the Presidency, and his waffling money-wasting splash into this big pond, which all know is a complete vanity project, is an excellent sideshow.
I still think the Federal ALP will consider a debt jubilee on HECS-HELP. The kites have been flown for a couple years. Just the thing to sweeten the Voice referendum during a cost of living crisis.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/hecs-debt-repayments-indexation-calculator-june-1/102376464
Lysander
Harvard profs are on roughly 220k USD.
That’s almost 340k AUD.
“What cost of living crisis?”
But the working class have to pay TAFE fees up front.
I still think the Federal ALP will consider a debt jubilee on HECS-HELP.
Huh?
They’re not going to cancel the debts, which is what a Jubilee is, so what are you talking about?
When anyone mentions the Amish, I’m reminded of the Menonites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnKVCcw0SVk
Greg Gutfeld just jumped the shark. He and the guests are into praising DeSantis and rubbishing Trump. I did wonder how long it would take before he knuckled under. Shame but at least it gives me more free time to comment here and in the garden.
The Source in the Hun:
Catallaxy on the Dover Beach.
Far too many sightings of shark jumping!
The tweet accompanying that article
It seems odd to me that Heidi Yates keeps calling Higgins a “client” (of the Victims of Crime department) when in fact, Higgins was a plaintiff. At that stage, she was no more a victim of crime than Lehrmann was, and surely not eligible for services.
A lot of the time no.
https://www.tafensw.edu.au/vet-student-loans
It’s a lot like HECS-HELP and they have a combined limit.
There’s a list, brickies and pumbers are not on it, but builders and electricians and electrical/electronics technicians are, up to AQF 5 (Diploma) and trades usually come out at Cert III.
https://www.tafensw.edu.au/documents/60140/76288/TAFE-NSW-VET-Student-Loans-Approved-Courses-List.pdf/07c9a66a-8c6d-9c4d-ce4b-d5cbb0e98282?t=1576197563477
That Harry Pothead bint:
Oh stick a cork in it, you stupid stupid woman. You know nothing of which you speak.
The “actual nayzees”, at the Mosquebourne imbroglio were not “actual” (i.e. not real) and they were not “nayzees” (i.e. German adherents of national socialism), the latter of whom have been extinct since May 1945, FFS.
This unrelenting appalling ahistorical ignorance really does give me the proverbials.
Stick to composing (or in reality, appropriating characters and themes for) your boring poorly written fantasy tomes, which make Dan Brown read like Orwell.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure McClown made most TAFE courses free… or heavily discounted…
“I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.”
Indeed – most amply demonstrated by that bastion of scientific belief in cartoon form, Lisa Simpson:
“Look, my fish sticks [“fingers”] are burnt on the outside, but still frozen in the middle, so on average, their perfectly cooked! Ha ha”.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure McClown made most TAFE courses free… or heavily discounted……
and by “free,” I mean you pay.
The Commonwealth will ask Federal Court Justice Anthony Besanko to delay releasing his written judgment in Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation case so that it can ensure there is no inadvertent disclosure of national security information.
JK Rowling is an Extreme Socialist, so is Minshull/Parker, so is Moira Deeming.
Case closed.
Always happy to binge, but then skip the purge.
Balance is important.
Binge and purge.
Purge baby, PURGE!
(Or perhaps one Last Caress?*).
* Pop culture reference. Dot will get it.
Melanie Phillips | Reflections on the Revolution in the West | NatCon UK
I never understood the obsession with Harry Potter.
Or Twilight/Hunger Games, etc.
Maybe they’re something only cool, hip young things get excited about.
Oh, score! I just found half a corn chip under the couch!
“I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.”
Let me assist. Global Average Temperature (GAT) has to be understood in the context of the Earth’s Energy Balance, EEB, which is the difference between radiation coming into the atmosphere and the amount of radiation leaving.
The EEB can be the opposite of the temperature trend; that is, GAT may be going up while the EEB is declining; 2 words and an equation explain; the 2 words are Stephan-Boltzmann (SB) and the equation is (A + B)^4 > A^4 + B^4; GAT can increase but the EEB need not change; conversely, the EEB can vary but the GAT temperature stay the same. SB explains this; the SB equation is E = sigma x T^4, where sigma = 5.67×10^-8, and T is temperature in K.
What this means is that the radiated energy increases as the 4th power of temperature. The base temperature is crucial; for instance, a 50C rise in temperature has a different change in radiated energy depending on the base value; for example:
From 200K-250K radiated energy increases from 91-222 W/m^2 – an increase of 131 W/m^2.
From 300-350K radiated energy increases from 459-851 W/m^2 – an increase of 392 W/m^2.
And this is where the equation, (A + B)^4 > A^4 + B^4, comes into play. The GAT is the average of all the anomaly temperatures at various sites around the world. If you average all those sites you get (A + B)^4; but that ignores the base temperature at the particular sites which is where A^4 + B^4 comes into play; for instance the base temperature at the Arctic is very cold so this means an increase in temperature at the Arctic or the West Antarctic Peninsula, which are both slightly warming, has a much less radiated energy effect than a slight decrease in temperature in a warmer region. This is actually happening.
The slight increase in temperature at the poles will increase GAT but the slight decrease in temperature at the warmer parts will mean based on SB that the EEB will decline.
Anyway all of this is explained in a simply divine paper by Roger senior:
https://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/r-321.pdf
And that is all the technical evidence you need to disprove alarmism.
I watched Harry Potters in a share house when I had swine flu.
The 4th one was lame, it was like being back in high school, plus Harry should have got the Asian chick when they all grew up, she wasn’t insufferable.
I was delirious quite a lot of the time, the first five or six are one movie to me and it didn’t make sense, but I really hated Dolores Umbridge.
“Isn’t the average IQ 100, by definition?”
Yes indeed.
One of my pet hates is “average IQ is increasing” – not possible.
As you say, by definition, “IQ” of 100 is the peak of the bell curve of the distribution of your sample.
‘Trans’ is not a word in itself, but a word segment (I forget the correct terminology), right?
Doesn’t the root (Latin or Greek?) mean ‘across’?
So you took umbrage at Umbridge, eh Pol?
I still haven’t watched so much as a second of any of the Harry Pothead fillums.
Case closed.
Crotchless is Lionel Hutz!
So cohen
you’re basically saying sometimes when the Earth gets hotter in some places, it doesn’t mean that the whole Earth is getting hotter, because how much heat goes in and out depends on different temperatures and some places are already really cold.
Just remember cohenite, take it one day at a time, and know that I love you.
A women’s-only platform represented by former Liberal Party candidate Katherine Deves has failed to get a discrimination suit thrown out of court.
Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls, an app “made for women by women”, that blocked her after she was “considered male”.
Federal Court Justice Robert Bromwich on Thursday allowed an extension of time for the case and ordered Giggle to pay Ms Tickle’s legal costs for an earlier hearing.
Mr Giggle and the women opposing him: spot the difference!
The Hon Robert James Bromwich: note the hands.
I became confused after the first full stop.
Ed Casesays:
June 1, 2023 at 12:56 pm
At the same time, in an adjacent court, another sexual assault was being heard, and Heidi Yates, the so called “ACT Victims of Crime Commissioner”, was no where to be seen. Clearly Ms Yates wasn’t very worried about that woman’s anxieties.
Yates isn’t the only support person in the Victims of Crime Commission.
Are you saying that the victim in the other Court had no support person even though they had requested one?
Are you saying that Yates shoulda left Higgins in the lurch and headed to the Court next door?
Or is this just more of your Bow Wow?
Grandpa Ed Cletus still carrying a torch for Mizzz Knickerless.
And still semi-literate.
Ok i will admit i asked chatgpt to dumb it down for me lol!!
If you want to watch BRS decision live
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/ben-roberts-smith-case-live-updates-commonwealth-application-seeks-to-delay-historic-defamation-judgment-involving-former-australian-sas-soldier-20230601-p5dd37.html?post=p54vu6#p54vu6
The security state is now directly interfering in the administration of justice.
Is Tickle actually a troon or is he just proving a point that a male-only app would get shitcanned by Goolag, Arsple and Microtheft with the full backing of the “reformed terrorist” directed “Cathedral” which indirectly runs the ruling parties of the West?
Ed Casesays:
June 1, 2023 at 1:48 pm
But she set aside time this week to buy in to the calamitous debate about what did and did not happen at the Let Women Speak rally in Melbourne in March.
JK Rowling is an Extreme Socialist, so is Minshull/Parker, so is Moira Deeming.
Case closed.
Grandpa Ed Cletus is an extreme idiot.
Case closed.
I think you’re talking about Toothbrush Central?
Not a bad sign – it means the powers that be need to manage the message when it comes out.
On the other hand I really don’t see how the wrong findings could be allowed to be found. Having invested so much time and effort in making our soldiers look like they are worse than the people they are fighting it would be unacceptable to have someone like BRS acquitted.
Mr Soronoff mused that up to the point where a trial is decided it may be more appropriate to consider someone as either a complainant if bringing the complaint, or as a defendant if the accused. Mr Soronoff’s handling of the inquiry and his approach whereby he explains points of law in language that is easily understood is a breath of fresh air.
Yea, JK Rowling “borrowed” from all ancient mythologies and probably from Brothers Grimm but that is legitimate as all of them have become part of the culture. Look at the superhero genre currently very much in vogue, all of them are knock-offs of various pantheons.
Just remember cohenite, take it one day at a time, and know that I love you.
I’m spoken for: he may be a brute and a shorter and wear chinos but he won my heart.
But what if part of the “message” was that ADF top brass and ministers had to take some blame? And the Commonwealth just monsters the judge and redacts such findings? That would be legally critical to other prospective defendants, the suppression an obstruction of justice.
Hs anyone here read “The Gallows Pole?
It sounds extremely interesting. A mini-series has been made of it in the UK.
The review at the link is excellent and makes me want to see it. Could be worth a look.
Lysandersays:
June 1, 2023 at 2:06 pm
Correct. The EEB is the key and is measured by Outgoing Longwave Radiation, OLR, which is increasing as the NOAA graph shows:
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/enso/olr
This means the Earth is cooling not warming.
I can understand the popularity of the Harry Potter books as friends and co-workers had young children at the time and I observed the phenomenon. These books came out at the time when the only reputable children’s books being written, and winning awards, at the time were as boring as wet socks. Those books were about politically correct rubbish while suddenly there were these books that were about adventure and fairytales and mystery. Kids were glad to read them, particularly boys, and couldn’t wait for more. At the time JK Rowling’s books were anything but politically correct no matter what she insinuated afterwards.
Plenty here dismiss the Liberal Party and call for it’s demise, yet Kelly-Jean Minshull bothered to travel 12,000 miles with entourage just to Gaslight the Liberal Party and Billion Book seller JK Rowling takes time out to attack Pesutto too.
Given that all these [apart from Pesutto] are Extremist Socialists, shouldn’t that be raising a few eyebrows?
Australia is finished.
The Harry Potter plots are terribly constructed and full of holes. What’s more, whilst many of the characters are interesting, the main protagonist is the world’s most uninspiring, humourless and arbitrary hero.
However, Rowling’s imagination was able to instil a sense of fun and adventure into the books that people – adults and kids alike – loved. That combined with a pleasant writing style added up to billions of bucks.
Roberts-Smith loses big.
Yep, and anyone who still believes in our legal system is very naive.
What’s more, anyone who still wants to join the military after this is not thinking straight.
ADF recruitment, after the Roberts-Smith verdict will be something to behold, I would imagine.
Good luck in attracting applicants for Special Air Service Regiment and the Commando’s after this one.
I encourage young men NOT to join the military.
I do so with a clear conscience and out of sense of duty.
All those cute trannies you link to must love it when you talk hardcore science like that, Cronkers.
Harry Potter wasn’t cool young hip, it was primary school children.
My older son when in grade three read them over and over.
And the reason they remained popular was because more and more children aged into that wonderful world where children are (mostly) free from adult restrictions.
Harry managed that by being an orphan and living with a very mean aunt and uncle.
And it was wonderful because it started children reading again.
I agree far too many books published for children are/ were stodge.
Secular Religious Tract Society dullness.
Deltora Quest and a few other fantasy for children caught the coattails of Rowlings success.
Any of the bush lawyers here help out? Can he be stripped of his Victoria Cross?
ADF recruitment, after the Roberts-Smith verdict will be something to behold, I would imagine.
How?
Roberts-Smith has just been poorly advised, not found guilty of any crime.
Psychological Testing of recruits should be done to weed out Psychopaths, but that’s unlikely.
BRS is gone. This country is gone. Trannies and perverts rule. How can BRS live with this? He’ll face murder charges and end up in prison.
I despise this country, this country is disgraceful. And don’t anyone say that I’m engaging in hyperbole.
Mr Tickle should enlist, actually he should be conscripted.
Not at all surprised by the Roberts Smith decision.
Seemed to me a bit of an Oscar Wilde type case.
“Not at all surprised by the Roberts Smith decision.
Seemed to me a bit of an Oscar Wilde type case.”
Not a bad analogy, but the MSM targeting Australian men who went off to war is disgraceful.
Fark me. So gaol next up for BRS…
Why would anyone enlist?
Cue journalists complaining that no – one from the A.D.F. wants to talk to them.
“devote his full working time and attention and best efforts to the performance of his job,”
“What were my duties at the time?”
“None”
“Therefore I had completed all my duties for the day before I even started?”
“umm… yes, I suppose so”
Thank you.
Come again.
Catching up… as usual..
JC says:
June 1, 2023 at 9:20 am
Wifey went with her for a second opinion and saw a vascular dude at Lennox Hill. He hasn’t seen the MRI yet, but looked at the ultra sound. He basically said the same as you , that it’s rare for a kid her age to be stented and suggested going to see a rheumatologist. He saw no evidence requiring a stent on the ultra. He going to check out the MRI later tomorrow our time and give a final verdict.
Seeing a rheumatologist implies she may have some hyper-thrombotic connective-tissue disease such as Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE), or similar.
Different prognosis and range of therapies, but entirely consistent with sex and age.
If so, will need close follow-up, possibly lifelong, but much better than having a pelvic mass lesion, or other occult malignancy.
Zulu, re stripping BRS of his VC, my understanding was that in the Imperial system he could not.
However his VC was a modern “VC for Australia”, awarded in the system brought in after we moved away from the Imperial honours. It has never been done and would require a governmental move which would establish that yes, there is a method in the modern Australian honours system to do such a thing.
It would require a lot of work, and interestingly, BRS has not been found guilty of any crime – he just lost his defamation case – is my understanding. Happy to be corrected though.
I despise this country, this country is disgraceful.
Yeah, you keep saying that, but you haven’t left either.
And don’t anyone say that I’m engaging in hyperbole.
It’s called Bow Wow, not hyperbole.
The Australian press is like ancient regime courtiers. Disgusting.
I despise this country, this country is disgraceful. And don’t anyone say that I’m engaging in hyperbole.
With you, Cassie. The Federal Court is known for its inclinations.
But the implications of a judgment that concludes a murder took place in a contested military zone by an Australian combatant of proven military valour undermines and puts into question many other undertakings of our troops in Afghanistan.
Surely a sitzpinkler. Thinks it an important victory in the war against women being women to be able to sit down to pee.
Piss off Dick Ed.
It’s called Bow Wow, not hyperbole.
Ed, the implications of this matter are far reaching. And they are not for light hearted banter.
The press has been out of control for ages in Australia.
When I was a kid the old woman’s gossip magazines masquerading as monthly periodicals would publish stuff that would make the grey alien-dogman-reptoid-chupacabra-interdimensional vampires writing the National Enquirer stories about intergalactic orgies blush to pale light pink.
If they got sued for every salacious story about divorce rumours, let alone sex, they’d never get out of court.
This country no longer exists….
The King’s shilling. It’s a bum deal.
BRS has not been found guilty of any crime – he just lost his defamation case
Correct, Topender. But it was argued, in relation to at least one matter, that he was accused (falsely) of murder…..and the Federal Court found that he was not defamed, for it was not an untruth.
Am I wrong?
Next month:
Retards:
WhY dO eX-sOlDiErS hAvE sUcH a HiGh RaTe Of SuIcIdE!??
“Correct, Topender. But it was argued, in relation to at least one matter, that he was accused (falsely) of murder…..and the Federal Court found that he was not defamed, for it was not an untruth.”
Yes but the standard of evidence in a defamation case is just balance of probabilities that he committed murder. For BRS to actually be convicted of murder it would need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
A cynical and unkind person would declare these court presstitutes as mockingbirds poisoning the wells before any actual criminal trials. The half-century-long quest to emasculate and ultimately destroy the Australian special and commando forces is coming to fruition.
Vicki, check your email, texts.
Brought to you by the Elliot Carver school of journalism.
Yeah, I think I might have jinxed BRS.
Since when was a Minimi a “heavy calibre” machine gun?
“…could see us “living in a world where you can’t trust the information you receive””
You can already use on-line resources to make anyone you have a 30 second sample of their voice say anything you want.
You can already generate photorealistic images by AI from a description (eg, Tim Pool created “Trump saving puppies from a fire”).
Both sometimes take a bit of fiddling to remove artifacts that are give-aways, however you can do this NOW.
You can also use AI tools on-line to create the mouth etc to edit onto someone else’s face to match what they are saying.
So with the time, you can create a frame-by-frame video of who-ever you want saying whatever you want, and most people would accept it as real if you were careful.
The only limitations at the moment appear to be that the AI needs source material of the person you are imitating, sound a 30 second sound byte, plus some video and stills of them in various situations – if not available already on-line (and well meta-tagged), you might have to upload these.
I repeat, you can do this NOW, if you are patient and careful.
Compared to even one year ago, these now require considerable attention to detail to find the give-away artifacts. I suspect that in a years time, if not sooner, you will be able to create a completely AI generated video (with audio) of anyone you want saying anything you want, on-line, from a simple text description, and it will be hard to pick from the real thing. Even historical figures such as Churchill, Hitler, JFK and so on.
Hal Colebatch wrote a book detailing the treasonous union scum’s treatment of our WW11 soldiers including sabotage, stopping ships full of Jap POWs from landing etc; then we had the left’s treatment of the Vietnam vets and now this BS about BRS. BRS was fighting one of the vilest enemies: muslims out of uniform who would smile at their faces and then shoot them in the back.
I don’t know about the SAS accusers but Brereton is an armchair general, campbell gave orders from Dubai and the smug bastards, masters and owl eyed creep Nick McKenzie could barely contain their gloating.
Australia’s ADF is rooted.
Regarding BRS medals my understanding is that grounds might exist if it was the found that the circumstances around the award recommendation were found not to be true or exaggerated. This is different from actually taking them away for bad conduct or even conviction of a murder not associated with the medal event.
Unfortunately BRS will now probably face some civilian trials but his medals may be an issue later on.
With the current CDF you can bet they will look into it.
On one of my computers I am getting some “Apache” nonsense – looks like a denial of service or a hack. Anyone else?
I was, but the problem’s gone.
Thanks Zulu. Damn scary.
I had the Apache stuff too.
But I saw them off with the six shooters and some stern words.
Getting ‘Apache’ stuff on Widows computer but not on Android phone.
Message 404 from Ubuntu, Apaches from the Currency Lad link…it was like the Cat’s Little Big Horn and Rorke’s Drift rolled into one.
Must have been triggered by all the BRS military talk.
Sleep with one eye open tonight guys.
Must have been triggered by all the BRS military talk.
I thought so, too. Disappointing, isn’t it?
Free speech?????
The Greens have called for Ben Roberts-Smith’s military uniform to be immediately removed from public display from the Australian War Memorial after a Federal Court judge found The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age accurately accused him of being involved in the unlawful killing and assault of unarmed Afghan prisoners.
I knew that would happen. I was at the Australian War Memorial only last week. I had not seen the display of Ben’s uniform before. It was HUGE.
Thanks Zulu. Damn scary.
Over on twatter DB said the site was down due to some routine maintenance.
My version of events is more fun.
Yes but the standard of evidence in a defamation case is just balance of probabilities that he committed murder. For BRS to actually be convicted of murder it would need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Husband reminded me of that. I had been too upset to consider it.
BRS has not been found guilty of any crime – he just lost his defamation case – is my understanding. Happy to be corrected though.. Correct TE up fred.
The gleeful reporting on the picture box and online MSM that he has been found guilty of murder is sickening. He hasn’t been tried or found guilty of anything yet. Just happened to lose his case of defamation against Fairfax press on the basis of Judge Besanko ruling that the respondents were, on balance of probability, telling the truth.
Of course, the vile Greens have jumped in and demanded that his uniform be removed from display at the AWM.
Any of the bush lawyers here help out? Does this mean criminal charges can be laid?
They are happily handing over our sovereignty to the WHO. Anyone who so much as skims this “treaty” would be fully aware of that.
Senator Alex Antic
@SenatorAntic
The Australian government is supporting the World Health Organisation’s so-called “Pandemic Treaty.”
If passed, it appears that Australia’s future pandemic responses will be utterly controlled by the lamentable WHO.
I think Australians should be worried, but the Department of Health assured me it’s all okay.
What do you think?
To be replaced by a picture of Lidia Thorpe, nude.
Health Minister Mark Butler’s wife resigns from firm, 89 Degrees East, with links to $23 million government contract
William Bay
@DrBillyBay
Dept. Of Health 1/6/23: “We worked with the Dept. of Home Affairs to leverage a capacity to scan social media.” #CovidCoverUp
The BRS decision reminds me of Cap’n Willard’s observation in “Apocalypse Now” about the charge against a certain rogue Colonel holed up in a Kampuchean jungle, “Charging someone with murder here was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500”.
What a sham.
Question for Cohenite:
Could you please post the link/s to the article/s detailing the different waves of human migration into Sahul (before post-glacial Australia).
Links that you have provided before but which I, stupidly, lost.
Thank you.
If reports in Teh Paywallian are correct incoming WA Premier Roger Cook won’t have much time to look after the interests of Western Australians as he will be looking over his shoulder for middle aged,blue haired lesbian shop stewards.
The ADF recruitment ad I just saw was all about what a wonderful and accommodating joint it is for girls and young mothers, with an amazing set of conditions. I don’t recall seeing an actual weapon.
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You are.
Gilas
Thanks for that. Let me know any charity you’re partial to and I’ll send them a gift with you mind. Appreciate it.
I’m remembering one that said “My Army gives me all the time I want with my children.” Not an actual weapon, or man, in sight.
Got a visit by the granddaughter at at work today. Fed chickens found an egg and some bugs.
Life is good.
Journalist says Kerry Stokes still believes in his innocence, even though it’s a defamation case. Journalists are dumb as shit.
JC says:
June 1, 2023 at 5:12 pm
Thanks for that.
Ma figurati.. non c’e` di che.
Zulu, any criminal charges would have to be brought under the aegis of the federal government, although some activist state government might have a go – a la Pell.
The burden of proof would be higher in a criminal proceeding, and it would be a jury trial, so what are the chances of 12 good men and true finding a VC guilty of something? All of that might put a department of prosecutions well off, as would the massive cost.
Then again, the Greens are already baying for blood, and given the woke state of Oz these days I fear for BRS.
Zulu clipped the bit I was going to post about then almost certainly bring insurgents.
If BRS gets jury trials that may be a significant factor in how they decide. If a jury can find Pell guilty then one can also find BRS not guilty.
I hope Nicholas Owens never finds himself in a situation where he needs protection from deadly force.
It was a civil case, wasn’t it?
Criminal would have to be separate and involve an actual evidence of a quality beyond newspaper columns, which are give greater latitude because there is still a vestigial belief that they are scrappy news hounds.
This case would have been whether or not they had enough reason to print. (For what that is worth.)
Jury selection would be an interesting exercise. “Right, all you mob with the unit blazers, and regimental ties, shut the door on your way out..”
We live in the land of the Vibe. Soon to be the Voice.
We already have Vice and Violence. Hades follows after.
Could you please post the link/s to the article/s detailing the different waves of human migration into Sahul (before post-glacial Australia).
Links that you have provided before but which I, stupidly, lost.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2002/06/the-extinction-of-the-australian-pygmies/
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2010/12/the-enigma-of-the-australian-pygmies/
Manning Clark, first 2 pages
Mega Fauna
It was pretty obvious that men weren’t welcome in the services 5-10 years ago with all those tampon style ads. The ADF is just another branch of the canbra pubic ‘service’ and Campbell’s conduct is consistent with that. Might as well have had Parkinson in charge. Nothing good comes out of canbra.
So what do Stokes and BRS do next? Appeal to the HC?
An Elitist Revolution: Britain’s New Ruling Class & How They Abandoned Britain
The New Culture Forum
Stephen Rice in the Oz just now, berating BRS for not being in the courtroom:
It speaks of contempt for a judicial system that – once he got a whiff it wasn’t working for him the way he’d planned – could be left at the door like last night’s room service.
The war hero brought this case on but wouldn’t see it through to the end.
But then:
There will be many who will sympathise with the former soldier, simply because he was one of the tens of thousands of young men and women we have dispatched over long decades to do our dirty work in foreign wars, all the while knowing in our heart of hearts that it will never be clean, because wars never are.
So do we really as a county want to go down this rabbit hole?
Entropy says:
June 1, 2023 at 5:02 pm
The ADF recruitment ad I just saw was all about what a wonderful and accommodating joint it is for girls and young mothers, with an amazing set of conditions. I don’t recall seeing an actual weapon.
I was at the Melbourne Shrine of Remembrance some years ago.
All uniforms, decorations and photographs. Even before my Red-Pilling from the evil Left, I was struck by the absence of any weapons or pictures of violence. Not even a knife.
When I was 10-ish, my parents took me to the Museo Civico del Castello di Udine, which had several rooms devoted to the WW1 Italian Campaign in the Carso (Friuli/Slovenia): Real, uniformed skeletons of fallen soldiers, guns, bullets, bayonets etc.. It was a real statement on the ugliness of war, even for a kid.
As some general once said, the ADF is obviously expected to prosecute violence in any future war “with compassion and humility”. Weapons will presumably be inclusive, diverse, equitable and harmless..
Beyond belief!
TE,
I don’t think any state would proceed against BRS. Not their case at all.
There is a very large (60) and expensive team of top lawyers and cops tasked with the investigation and laying of charges and taking to trial any they can get that far. The top legal guy is the VIC Appeal Court judge who found Pell not guilty and wrote a 300 page judgement to back it up and made the other two look like idiots. Not sure who the top cop is but one of them is a former Deputy Commissioner from Qld. There is also a very senior Federal civil servant in charge of the effort. The annual payroll alone on the team would be multi multi millions. Money is not going to be an issue. By the time all trials finished going to be hundreds of millions in legal costs as KC’s etc on both sides.
However giving evidence against BRS in a murder case entirely different to the defamation case. Plus it may come out some may have done deals for immunity.
BRS did 6 tours and one guy apparently did 13. Not sure how 13 would be possible but their high rotation was contrary to their own guidelines. The fact is they were over deployed in order to reduce casualties amongst the the infantry which would have been bad politically.
The big mistake was giving Masters unlimited access in Afghanistan where he was able to gather the information leading to this sorry saga.
cohenite says:
June 1, 2023 at 5:48 pm
Thank you Sir!
How I loathe poxy germalists
Rice began his career in journalism with the investigative newspaper, The National Times, after graduating from the Australian National University in 1981 with degrees in law and arts. He joined The Sydney Morning Herald in 1984, covering national and state political and legal affairs. He was hired by Channel Nine’s Willesee program in 1984 with a brief to investigate corruption in New South Wales. He became executive producer of A Current Affair in 1992.
farts law from the ANU- so another effete parasite
One thing Rice will never be is a war hero. Shouldn’t get angry- the meja are toxic trash and have been most of my life.
Can someone explain. If there have no criminal charged laid against Smith, how on earth can he be found to be a murderer in civil case?
Also, why on earth did he run with this if there was a decent possibility of losing and looking worse?
I don’t have a link, but, yes, apparently there are those who have done 12 or 13 tours.
Rosie reminded us of Oscar Wilde. Don’t sue the media unless you are prepared to lose. Everything.
That was then. Now is worse.
The big mistakes have all been made by Ben Roberts-Smith.
Masters was not agenda free. Anyone suggesting as much is dumb as a bag of hammers.
The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.
If there have no criminal charged laid against Smith, how on earth can he be found to be a murderer in civil case?
It’s a legal fiction. At the civil standard it may have happened. At the criminal standard it did happen.
That grub nick mckenzie needs to be dropped in a poppy field in afghanistan.
Speaking of those who should be dropped, in a poppy field, in Afghanistan…
Speaking of toxic trash
Another mistake is deciding to sue for defamation in the first place. Obviously BRS had seen the reports, knew the blokes complaining about ‘war crimes’ were full of shit and had convinced Stokes of his innocence. However, as we just saw, there is more to it than that. In a case of two conflicting accounts, the judge decides who to believe. It is a high-risk gamble.
No doubt the lawyers convinced Stokes to go for it. Why wouldn’t they? Ka-ching!
And your evidence for making that claim is?
Yes but the standard of evidence in a defamation case is just balance of probabilities that he committed murder. For BRS to actually be convicted of murder it would need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Okay, but …
The Balance of Probabilities is still a high standard of Proof in itself.
Ben Roberts-Smith is the Establishment’s War Hero, and people shilling for him are doing a disservice to the SAS Troopers who blew the whistle on the whole sorry mess.
Those guys are the real heroes, if there be any.
Kerry Stokes AC has supported Ben Roberts Smith from the first time Fairfax started to attack his character.
He largely financed his defence against Fairfax.
He still is standing by him.
Mr Kerry Stokes AC has expressed his disappointment at hearing of today’s Federal Court judgment in Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation action in the Federal Court.
He said “I am disappointed at hearing of the result in today’s judgment. The judgment does not accord with the man I know. I know this will be particularly hard for Ben, who has always maintained his innocence. That his fellow soldiers have disagreed with each other, this outcome will be the source of additional grief.
“I haven’t had a chance to have a discussion with Ben as yet but I will when he has had a chance to fully absorb the judgment”.
Michael smith
These bozos have been going for 2.5 years now and only have one charge to show for it (the bloke seen on video shooting the Talib). No doubt they have been waiting for the outcome of this trial, so we should expect a charge against BRS sometime soon (‘soon’ being a flexible term for this mob). Be interesting to see if BRS appeals (I expect so, he’s gone this far and might get a better judge) and has two trials running concurrently. Either way, lawyers win and Australia loses.
BRS brought a defamation case as a war hero and came out of it as a war criminal. Pretty dumb move.
Rosie reminded us of Oscar Wilde. Don’t sue the media unless you are prepared to lose. Everything.
It’s an interesting comparison, for sure.
Wilde was a turd burglar and allround lowlife, but that seems to be acceptable behaviour in RosieWorld.
Either way, lawyers win and Australia loses.
Yes and it’s a big part of what is wrong with this country.
JC: Can someone explain. If there have no criminal charged laid against Smith, how on earth can he be found to be a murderer in civil case?
I’ll do my best. He is “found to be a murderer” only in that a) a media outlet said he was, and b) BRS decided to sue them.
The judge in the case found the media version to be “true”. Basically that means if someone else says it – a lot of media now are – then good luck BRS trying to sue them.
But for him to be jailed means a department of public prosecutions has to go after him.
So do we really as a county want to go down this rabbit hole?
Yes. If Australia is going to commit people to some overseas adventure, the story needs to be told warts & all.
Otherwise they should never be sent in the first place.
Lest we forget:
Trooper Jason Thomas Brown, 29, from the Special Air Service Regiment died after being shot during an engagement with insurgents.
Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney, 28, from the 6th Battalion Royal Australian Regiment, was killed during an intense firefight with Taliban insurgents in the Deh Rawud region.
Sapper Jamie Larcombe, 21, from the 1st Combat Engineer Regiment, was killed during an engagement with insurgents in the Mirabad Valley region of Uruzgan Province.
Sapper Rowan Robinson, 23, a combat engineer serving with the Special Operations Task Group, was shot and killed by insurgents during a mission in northern Helmand.
An experienced commando who was on his fifth deployment to Afghanistan, Sergeant Todd Langley was shot and killed during a firefight with insurgents in Helmand province. Sergeant Langley was from the Sydney-based 2nd Commando Regiment.
Corporal Scott James Smith, 24, from the Special Operations Engineer Regiment based at Holsworthy in Sydney, was killed by an improvised explosive device during a mission to target insurgents in southern Afghanistan.
Corporal Cameron Stewart Baird MG, 32, a Special Forces soldier from the Sydney-based 2nd Commando Regiment, was killed in action by small arms fire during an engagement with insurgents in Afghanistan.
Any Appeal means in Effect Roberts-Smith calling some of his ‘comrades’ liars.
Why he would do that, just on morale grounds, is hard to justify.
The disgusting treatment of BRS aside, wft were we even doing in that shithole?
BRS brought a defamation case as a war hero and came out of it as a war criminal.
Lets see how the appeal goes dickless; isn’t it funny that dickless turns up like an infected arse whenever there’s some victory by the left.
As you would expect from a nasty piece of work
It says a lot about Costello that he remains chairman of that despicable organization.
Only an honourable man would walk away from that job, milt.
There’s been no victory for the Left, Mr Sulu.
Among other things, Roberts-Smith was found not to have been defamed by newspaper articles that said he’d thrown his girlfriend down a flight of stairs.
People that hate Australia will be hoping that he Appeals, but people with two brain cells or more will be hoping he just gets on with his life and tries being a bit humble for a change.
Too right Calli- I’m still a bit gob smacked even after all these years about the type of men Howard and Costello really are.
Just watching a UN woman on Credlin who was actually supportive of Deeming and the other women attacked for asserting women’s rights. I was stunned.
A thought comes to mind: what would be the odds of Andrews having insinuated goons into the Victorian SFL?
BRS hasn’t been found guilty to the standard of a criminal trial. He has been found guilty in a civil trial “on the balance of probabilities”.
In other words, Judge Anthony Besanko thinks BRS was “probably” guilty.
This is a green light for an appeal that BRS will probably win.
Judge Besanko is a weak little man playing to the crowd.
Like the corrupt Victorian judiciary that convicted Cardinal George Pell on the “vibe” of the case against him before the conviction was thrown out 7-0 by the High Court, Besanko has succeeded only in buying time.
With VERY few exceptions, the Mesozoic (long out of date) Media are the dull-bladed paramilitary arm of the dominant socio-political ideology; Reputational mercenaries who not only despise but resent the existence of anyone outside of their ‘class’ of fellow Approved People.
“You are.”
Kno aye em not.
What caused the site crash?
Thank you for listing those, P.
Yes ditto- thank you P.
The concept is pretty simple. You equip a few billion ppl with a mobile phone and a thermometer. You distribute them uniformly over the planet, i.e. there are the same number of them in any square kilometre, no matter where it is. Then you send them all a message saying “Now!” and they take a measurement of the surface temperature and send the reading back to whoever sent the message. This gives you a few billion numbers. Add them up and divide by the few billion. If in doubt, repeat a femtosecond later with ten times as many ppl. Keep doing this until the result stays pretty much the same.
As you can see, although the concept is clear, there are certain practical difficulties. To avert these, we rely on estimates of the average temperature based on various actual measurements made by quite different procedures. The different procedures (satellite readings and weather stations) give quite different results, leading to disputes.
The real issue is what you plan to do with the number if you could get it. Mainly, it would seem, to frighten the populace into giving you money and voting for those who will offer to save you from burning alive. This should shake your faith in any claim to be able to estimate the magic number and its change in time. The claimants have an interest in it increasing, and are not remarkable for their probity.
Dover was busy with his spanners and a few drops of oil, Cassie.
The blog-wreckers at 109 Kent St, Deakin.
In other words … Mossad.
Not after todays ‘verdict’. Are we French now?
The US called us on ANZUS, since they’d been attacked.
The problem wasn’t the being in there, it was US Gen Staff hadn’t learned from Israel, or Rome for that matter, which is to go in, hammer everything flat, then leave.
iirc there is actually an old bog standard PMG/Telecom exchange in Deakin along with a rather menacing brutalist structure.
Im looking forward to the journalists obtaining exactly what they are trying to get .
Actually, Dover appears to be a multi-discipline tradie. As all worthy disciples should be.
Cheers!
“Dover was busy with his spanners and a few drops of oil, Cassie.”
God bless him.
Yes. Thanks Dover
This is a green light for an appeal that BRS will probably win.
Winning on appeal will be a hollow victory .. this is one of those occasions that regardless of a second bite the 1st mouthful got all the juice and is the one that will be remembered …..
Various Sydney Cats were feverishly emailing each other in despair!
“In other words … Mossad.”
Highly likely!
People that hate Australia will be hoping that he Appeals, but people with two brain cells or more will be hoping he just gets on with his life and tries being a bit humble for a change.
People who hate Australia just won crotchless. Nothing to do with brain cells you simpering little turd.
Chuckle!
Xene has spoken.
Those Apaches and Ubuntus and 404s were definitely not Mossad! Perish the thought.
Too obvious.
Poignant visuals to a song I have not heard in a very long time.
Oh…Save me, save me from tomorrow.
World Party – Ship Of Fools
I once made an Ubuntu in my shed from scratch.
Well, I assembled it from a kit.
Here is a petition that everyone in Australia should sign if we want to keep any semblance of freedom and democracy.
“Xene has spoken.”
Hoo es Xene? Sounds like a word from a L. Ron Hubbard book.
That’s defamatory. For monty’s sake, dover, and to save yourself some possible grief, you’d be well advised to delete it.
Gaslighting: The American People Are Trapped In A Textbook Abusive Relationship
Yo, Xenu is my homeboy
🙂
Greens defence spokesman David Shoebridge described the defamation judgment as “an important win for fearless journalism in the public interest”.
Shoebridge is definitely a sitzpinkler.