Open Thread – Tues 30 May 2023


A Bar at the Folie-Bergère, Edouard Manet, 1882

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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 31, 2023 11:19 pm

The mutt at the end of One Upon a Time in Hollywood is not unlike today’s mutt who missed his bone from me. American Staffy and Boxer and maybe a bit of Rottweiler. A heavy-set dog, brindle and white patches and a pushed in jowal of a face. Nice enough animal, very good natured, but could become fierce if tested.

Jorge
Jorge
May 31, 2023 11:21 pm

On Thursday Justice Anthony Besanko will hand down a decision

How can this be anything other than an opinion ? Just like rest of us.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 31, 2023 11:26 pm

Just finished the TV series Showtrial.

Excellent viewing with terrific writing. Talk about modern powerful females!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 31, 2023 11:43 pm
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Muddy provides a rock-solid clue as to their hometown:

Muddy says: May 31, 2023 at 9:11 pm

Bundy

Beenleigh is better.

Such sentiment could be expressed only by someone whose roots are to be found within a 20 mile radius of Beenleigh.

Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:15 am
Tom
Tom
June 1, 2023 4:16 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
June 1, 2023 4:46 am

I said I was done with Teh Voice shit, but can’t help myself when there is a rich vein of phuckwhittery. Rita Panahi:

Australia’s race discrimination commissioner, Chin Tan (yes, really), is indulging in some Orwellian doublespeak when he decries the race based referendum becoming about race.

Or perhaps he’s just hopelessly misinformed about what is being proposed by the so-called indigenous voice to parliament.

Or, more likely, he’s just another member of the increasingly desperate “yes” camp trying to browbeat the nation into backing a divisive and by definition racial proposition.

How can a referendum seeking to enshrine racial privilege into the Constitution not be about race?

How can a proposal that would fundamentally change the value of citizenship for one group of people based on nothing other than their ancestry not become a “racialized” discussion?

It’s akin to having a referendum about becoming a republic and condemning any talk of the monarchy or heads of state.

It’s obtuse in the extreme to pretend this referendum is not race-based but that is precisely what the commissioner has claimed.

“(The) Voice in itself is not racist and it does not racialise Australia”, Mr Tan said.

“The referendum by itself…from a human rights perspective, and from the jurisprudence point of view, is not about a race issue and ought not to be.” (say what?)

A proposal that seeks to give one group of people an additional say — one that can be legally weaponsied — based on their indigenous heritage is not a race issue?

Embedding toxic identity politics and race obsessions into the constitution was always a terrible idea.

It is racial by design and prioritises what should matter least; a person’s ethnicity, something they have zero control over.

Where is the race commissioner when Warren Mundine and Jacinta Nampijinpa Price cop ugly racial abuse for backing the “no” camp?

The manner in which the “yes” camp have conducted themselves has been nothing short of appalling.

They have sought to firstly guilt Australians into backing this contentious measure.

When the appeal to emotion began faltering they turned to intimidation and hyperbole to bully an increasingly reluctant populace to back “the Voice”.

You can be sure of one thing, if the “yes” vote wins then as stated in the “Uluru statement” we can look forward to more racial division with “truth telling” and “treaty” to follow.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 1, 2023 5:03 am

A festering bureaucracy sucking the life out of the country. The whole ‘rule of law’ thing is becoming increasingly perverted.

bespoke
bespoke
June 1, 2023 5:11 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 6:07 am

Seeing NATO soldiers getting beaten up in Kosovo by Serbians was not something I had on my 2023 bingo card.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 6:15 am

Trump’s biggest character flaw is he demands total loyalty from everyone at the same time he turns on people for the slightest perceived criticism.
It’s like he’s an emperor or mob boss.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 1, 2023 6:26 am

“The referendum by itself…from a human rights perspective, and from the jurisprudence point of view, is not about a race issue and ought not to be.”

Perhaps Mr Tan should ask all the urban blondeboriginals what they think it’s about then.

Best he bring paper and pen to write down everything he’s told.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 1, 2023 6:27 am

Incidentally, Mr Tan also appears to be a sitzpinkler.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 6:27 am

What a weasel Angus Campbell is.
He discusses a letter from the US DoD about human rights abuses at a Senate hearing.
But it was so concerning he couldn’t recall details.
And so concerning he didn’t raise it with the new defence minister.
It could have been raised in camera.
It was a stunt.
The good news is that the more rope you give self important bureaucrats like him, the quicker his inevitable retirement will be…no doubt will all the Orders of Australia lined up to go with his Afghanistan medals he’s trying to take off the SAS.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 6:30 am

Angus Campbell & his ilk should have bar attached to his Afghanistan medals to show he spent most of his time in Doha or other safer places.
Similar to an asterisk (*) next to a sporting record impacted by performance enhancing drugs.

Gabor
Gabor
June 1, 2023 7:04 am

feelthebern says:
June 1, 2023 at 6:07 am

Seeing NATO soldiers getting beaten up in Kosovo by Serbians was not something I had on my 2023 bingo card.

Pays to look behind the scenes, who is fomenting the uprising and violance?
What are they trying to divert attention from?

Gabor
Gabor
June 1, 2023 7:07 am

feelthebern says:
June 1, 2023 at 6:07 am

Seeing NATO soldiers getting beaten up in Kosovo by Serbians was not something I had on my 2023 bingo card.

Pays to look at who is fomenting the violance.
What are they trying to divert attention from?

Gabor
Gabor
June 1, 2023 7:08 am

Was it worth saying twice?
Don’t know, system thinks so.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 7:25 am

Pays to look at who is fomenting the violance.

Last year Richard Grenell was tweeting about how it was a local political issue that needed attention to stop it becoming a broader issue (ie external parties exploiting it).
And here we are.

Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 7:28 am

“Australia’s race discrimination commissioner, Chin Tan (yes, really)”

Remember Tan was another Coalition appointee, just like Ita was to their ABC. Of course, they’re all failures, flops, and the bureaucratic sludge keeps moving along.

Please indulge my little fantasy here….I dream of a time when a Coalition government, instead of “appointing” people like Tan, instead disbands and shuts down pernicious organisations like the race baiting AHRC, and all the other parasitic and tyrannical bureaucracies, state and federal, that do their best to curb and silence our liberties and free speech. In fact, seeing how those very same organisations remained curiously silent about the grotesque human rights violations in this country in 2020 and 2021, when ordinary Australian men and women were being beaten, bashed and bludgeoned, some even in their own homes, such a time provided an ideal opportunity for the Morrison government, and the few remaining Liberal/Coalition state governments to take action. And I reckon the electorate would have supported any government that acted to disband these cockroach filled bureaucracies. But no, nothing, all we had for almost nine years, from 2013 through to 2022, was a conga line of supine, craven Coalition governments that willingly and gleefully continued to grease the wheels of these pernicious organisations. Makes you wonder why any of us bothered voting Liberal or National Party.

But anyway, I shouldn’t indulge in such fantasies, it isn’t healthy, I should stop being a Mrs Mitty! Quite frankly, given the state of the Liberals and Nationals, it’s unlikely I’ll ever see another federal Coalition government again, and I’m not that old! But one thing you can be sure of, if they ever win government again, just watch them fall into place, sit back and do nothing to curb, to rein in, and to dissolve these organisations. They’ll continue greasing the wheel.

By the way, I did mention this last week (I think), but don’t look to the IPA or any of their alumni to speak up for freedom. Among recent IPA alumni in our various parliaments was the unlamented Timmy Wilson, Senator James Paterson (who supported the senate censure of Bettina Arndt) and in Victoria, Even Mulholland, who won a position in the Victorian Legislative Assembly last November and who’s already proved himself to be a typical ex-IPA alumni, in the recent vote to expel Moira Deeming for her free speech, for her freedom of association (two basic Menzian tenets), for her truth on gender ideology, Mulholland voted with Guy and Persecutto to oust Deeming.

Indolent
Indolent
June 1, 2023 7:29 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 1, 2023 7:30 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 1, 2023 7:31 am
Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 7:34 am

LOL..not “Even”….”Evan”.

caveman
caveman
June 1, 2023 7:34 am

What Is He Thinking? Trump Attacks His Former Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany

She got the numbers wrong. 25 when it should have been 34. Its America this sort of thing counts during the primaries , and you dial it to 11 with no apologies.

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 7:36 am
Crossie
Crossie
June 1, 2023 7:36 am

bespoke says:
June 1, 2023 at 5:55 am
What Is He Thinking? Trump Attacks His Former Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany

I have seen her on Fox spouting the Murdochs party line. She is their girl now.

Indolent
Indolent
June 1, 2023 7:37 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 1, 2023 7:41 am
rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 7:41 am
rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 7:43 am
Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 7:44 am

If O Keefe truly did something wrong, they could take the matter to the police and get a slam dunk insurance payout.

I don’t believe them and until something really damning and undeniable comes out about O Keefe, this is just Fabianism and they can get stuffed.

Project Veritas’ complaint alleges that O’Keefe, under his employment agreement, was to “devote his full working time and attention and best efforts to the performance of his job,” and that despite being on indefinite paid time off, the creation of OMG violated the agreement.

Yeah right, so you’re a slave to an entity you created? Seems like bullshit, doesn’t it?

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 7:44 am

It’s the battle of the links!

JC
JC
June 1, 2023 7:45 am

feelthebern says:
June 1, 2023 at 6:15 am
Trump’s biggest character flaw is he demands total loyalty from everyone at the same time he turns on people for the slightest perceived criticism.
It’s like he’s an emperor or mob boss.

He went after Kayleigh, he former press secretary, loyal and the best in the business. Freaking awful thing to do.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 7:45 am

Yeah right, so you’re a slave to an entity you created? Seems like bullshit, doesn’t it?

The process is the punishment.

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 7:46 am

Why isn’t the ABC pontificating about the wilful destruction of public housing for the aboriginal communities in Geraldton by the aboriginal communities in Geraldton?
Where are the elders, present and emerging?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 7:48 am

Veritas didn’t stop at allegations against O’Keefe, however, stating that his right-hand man RC Maxwell and Anthony Iatropoulos “breached their own contracts” by going to work with O’Keefe after he was forced out of his own company.

Project Veritas is pro-slavery.

He’s bullying employees and they want to leave Project Veritas and work with him?

Again, this seems like bullshit, doesn’t it?

Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 7:48 am

“Trump’s biggest character flaw is he demands total loyalty from everyone at the same time he turns on people for the slightest perceived criticism.
It’s like he’s an emperor or mob boss.”

Bern, I think that’s a very good character assessment.

JC
JC
June 1, 2023 7:48 am

Yeah right, so you’re a slave to an entity you created? Seems like bullshit, doesn’t it?

Yep. NY labor laws with respect to a former employee is supportive of his / her side. I’m shocked they’re going to court.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 7:49 am

Pence to throw his hat into the ring.

Invest in popcorn futures.

Also, not impressed with the Kayleigh imbroglio. It may have been an honest mistake. He doesn’t own her.

Vicki
Vicki
June 1, 2023 7:49 am

I see that the Senate hearing had been set up as a prelude to a lashing of the SAS & Ben Robert-Smith in particular. Brace for it.

We are facing the disintegration of many of the values we have held as given. But the undermining of our defence forces will be especially destructive at a time when their requirement to defend this nation may be just over the horizon. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 7:50 am

eating an eight-months-pregnant woman’s sandwich

OH NO! SUE HIM!

LOL

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 7:54 am

From what I understand from reports fromtrades who worked there, the Geraldton development has been subjected to vandalism during the refurb also.

Why would anyone want to spend money on these idiots? There are so many more deserving recipients in great need of housing.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 7:55 am

Pence should just shut up and go fishing on Tippecanoe Lake. He’s poison and he seems smart enough to realise that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 1, 2023 7:56 am

JCsays:

May 31, 2023 at 10:26 pm

Thanks Cassie. Just heard it today.

She’s in the best of care… NYC docs obviously: ?

Not Indian docs I hope?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 7:58 am

This is keeping it more real than Chris Rock…and bern will need to calm himself down from the excitement this generates.

Jimmy Dore and James O’Keefe finally sit down together to discuss citizen journalism (1 day ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIwnaRNFll4

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 7:58 am

Smart and ambitious. I’m jaded enough these days to believe that the whole “wife must be present at all times” was a nice-ness cocktail to woo the Christian right. It was a forced card, no one really needed to know.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 8:01 am

…and now to ruin Cassie’s day

DOJ Prison Official Says Garland “Rolling Over” on Trans Men Impregnating Women in Prison. (O Keefe Media Group, 4 weeks ago)

(…and arguably, he is intimidated by a Large Marge Federal Female Prison Guard!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3T9s-dfsOU

Gilas
Gilas
June 1, 2023 8:09 am

Just saw this:

JC says:
May 31, 2023 at 10:18 pm

What does worry me is that she was told she will need to be on blood thinners for six months. Those things can cause heart burn and I know that if that happens she will go off them and lie to us. That’s potentially means a clotting.

Correct, most likely a localized thrombus.
In this demographic, the usual causes are local trauma or, more rarely, the contraceptive pill or an extraneous mass pressing on the femoral neuro-vascular bundle.
Either way, stenting is unnecessary. Timely (early) thrombolytic therapy is more useful in these cases.
A second opinion might be in order..

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:10 am

It’s nor just that, these are the people who’s interests are going to overshadow every government decision, but we should trust them not to be as destructive of government as they apparently are of their own homes.
Whatever the historical wrongs getting your own back isn’t the solution.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 1, 2023 8:11 am

I just looked back at this comment from Doverlord, which has a link to this tweet.

There are kids with problems. Some real, some transitory, or even illusory. They are being steered toward transgender surgery. Afterward, when the narcotic high of the all the promises wear off and the kid finds they still have the original problem – plus they have mangled the very body they live in – is it surprising they slip deeper into depression and toward suicide?

I suppose the people planting the seeds of wanting the surgery can count on the fact that their severely depressed and the dead are very unlikely to sue – too depressed or too dead.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 1, 2023 8:12 am

Muddysays:
May 31, 2023 at 10:37 pm
the stupidity of alarmism

I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.

It is something that the simple-minded ‘vironmentalists can babble about without being confused by actual reality.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 8:13 am

or an extraneous mass pressing on the femoral neuro-vascular bundle.

Is that what House had ?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 8:21 am

LOL. The Greens hit the ALP with a “home run”.

With all the attention on QandA this week and Stan Grant’s exit, this little question seemed to have slipped through the cracks. Hard to listen to an MP talk about supply being one of the main drivers behind the housing crisis when they own 7 homes themselves…

Owns seven houses, ALP member for Higgins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM1aRX0NpOc

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 8:23 am

The good news is that the more rope you give self important bureaucrats like him, the quicker his inevitable retirement will be…

I watched Angus Campbell in that hearing. It was hard to believe that our army is in any way headed by pathetic little bureaucrats like this one. What a time-serving little self protector with clearly no clue about what he required his men to do.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 8:29 am

or an extraneous mass pressing on the femoral neuro-vascular bundle.

Is that what House had ?

Dunno about that, but Gilas is an oncologist, so best to believe he knows a bit about the possibility of extraneous masses. He’s very sensibly not diagnosing from afar, just pondering a range of factors.

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:30 am

‘Trans’ surgery seems to have also travelled to new horizons.
Not just I’m a girl trapped in a boy’s body but I’m genderless/non binary therefore I should have my breasts removed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 8:34 am

In Drowning Not Waving news:

Higher rents will help reduce rental stress by encouraging people to ‘economise’ on housing, RBA governor says

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says there is no immediate fix for people struggling in Australia’s rental markets.

He says rental vacancies are near record lows in large parts of the country, and extremely strong population growth is making the problem worse.

He says an increase in housing supply is needed, but higher interest rates will help to alleviate some rental pressures in the short term by forcing people to “economise” on their housing.

“That’s the price mechanism at work. We need more people on average to live in each dwelling, and prices do that,” he said.

So, insert more consumption units into each average dwelling unit – Bingo! Seems like a pretty straightforward solution.

When it comes to the rental crisis itself, Dr Lowe said the underlying issue had to do with supply and demand in the rental market.

He said the problem was being exacerbated by the extremely high level of population growth in Australia at the moment.

The supply side is a bit problematic, but luckily Australia has Top Men on the job fixing the demand problem:

Albanese government to radically streamline migration with three-tiered system for skilled workers

The home affairs minister, Clare O’Neil, signalled at the National Press Club on Thursday that the government would move to scrap labour market testing in favour of new skills assessments and promised fairer pay thresholds for incoming workers, in response to a migration review.

The federal government will also use national cabinet in Brisbane on Friday to begin planning with the states for services and infrastructure to support population growth. O’Neil said it was “a bit startling” that there was “no genuine mechanism at the moment for us to plan for population changes”.

So, somewhat genuinely unplanned. But at least the flush of incoming consumption units will be paid fairly enough to afford to sleep in cheerful squalor.

In good (albeit startled) hands.

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:38 am

How do people go about sharing housing.
What is he suggesting in practical terms?
Move back in with mum and dad, families house share with unrelated families.
Ten in a bed?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 8:38 am

Chalmers thinks Lowe “proved him right”, but what happens in the IS-LM model when you have fiscal expansion and monetary contraction?

There is nominally no increase in output and only an increase in prices: real wages fall.

This is an antecedent of a recession.

…and no, I don’t believe Chalmer’s absurd claims of a budget surplus. He is more socialist and clueless than Wayne Swan.

shatterzzz
June 1, 2023 8:38 am

Such sentiment could be expressed only by someone whose roots are to be found within a 20 mile radius of Beenleigh.

Phrasing! ……. LOL!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 8:38 am

I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.

Me too. Especially in the context of cyclical regional variations in temperatures when aggregated into a whole as seems to be done by climate worriers. In a planetary comparison with other planets a broad set of upper and lower ranges would seem to be the only useful comparison. It’s hotter on Venus, etc.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 1, 2023 8:40 am

Via Iowahawk, the former DA of San Fran & one of the architects of turning the city into The Walking Dead is now the head of Berkeley Law School.

Crossie
Crossie
June 1, 2023 8:41 am

I watched Angus Campbell in that hearing. It was hard to believe that our army is in any way headed by pathetic little bureaucrats like this one. What a time-serving little self protector with clearly no clue about what he required his men to do.

Lizzie, that was my impression too. He looks like a man completely devoid of any connection to the humanity of soldiers under his care.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 1, 2023 8:41 am

From the Oz. I’ve posted the whole article. Good luck to West Australian farmers. “Reconciliation?”
What’s that?

A ‘modest’ Indigenous voice to parliament? Take a look out west to consider it’s far reaching consequences
Peta Credlin Peta Credlin

12:00AM June 1, 2023
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Anthony Albanese’s pitch to Australians for months has been that they should vote for his voice because it will be an important “but modest change”. Only the cat is now out of the bag with his comments in a speech to Indigenous leaders this week declaring “let this be no modest change”.

In the clearest sign yet of what will come, all Australians need to look at the enormous Aboriginal heritage changes about to roll out across Western Australia from July 1. What’s more, these changes will create a whole new land-use approvals regime that circumvents elected officials and subjects the rights of private property owners to Aboriginal heritage assessment.

Especially since the May 2020 destruction of the cave at Juukan Gorge that had been a site of human habitation for more than 40,000 years, Western Australia has been grappling with how better to protect Aboriginal heritage without obstructing reasonable development. The result is the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act, which will start to come into effect next month.

Many of the practices and procedures under this act are still being finalised, but it’s already clear that for most significant developments – instead of applying to local, state and possibly federal governments for approval – there will soon be an additional requirement to have approval from relevant Aboriginal bodies.

The act will establish, according to its memorandum, “a majority Aboriginal advisory body”, the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Council, “to provide strategic oversight of the Aboriginal cultural heritage regime”.

This will include providing advice to the minister, designating local Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Services and approving cultural heritage permits and cultural heritage management plans.

On any property larger than 1100sq m (about the size of a large suburban block), at least in areas of designated cultural significance, for any significant construction activity there will need to be permits or management plans, depending on the nature of the activity and the nature of the cultural significance. Landholders will need to acquire these from (yet to be established) local Indigenous heritage services. There are timelines set down for approvals, fees set for heritage assessors and processes for appeal if agreement can’t be reached. While the minister retains ultimate authority over land-use decisions (as was the case with the Juukan Gorge approval), there is a great deal of potential process (and cost) before anything would ever get to the minister’s desk.

The aim, says the memorandum, is to “recognise Aboriginal people’s special connection to country”; to recognise “the fundamental role of Aboriginal cultural heritage in the lives and wellbeing of Aboriginal people”; and to provide “for Aboriginal people themselves to determine what qualifies as Aboriginal cultural heritage and therefore is afforded protection under the legislation”.

The act, it says, provides “a broad definition of Aboriginal cultural heritage” to capture not only its “tangible” but also its “intangible” and its “living” elements.

Again, it’s reasonable enough to accept that there may be some elements of heritage that are merely spiritual and even that there can be new and evolving concepts of what heritage is. The issue, though, is going to be reconciling this with further economic development, especially as the act takes for granted a process of fee for service (from $150 to $450 an hour) in determining just what these might be, and negotiated financial settlements before development might take place with the administration of all this via myriad local Aboriginal elders.

A document produced last year by the big law firm Ashurst states: “Navigating the heritage landscape in project development in WA is going to get more complex over the next 12-24 months.”

The act, Ashurst says, “introduces a level of complexity and uncertainty that, in our opinion, renders key aspects … unworkable”. In particular, Ashurst worries that the local Aboriginal cultural heritage services (that in many cases have yet to be set up or exist only in rudimentary form) will lack “the capacity to function efficiently”, hence creating “massive hurdles” (despite government funding of $77 million set aside for the new regime’s implementation).

As well, the law firm says, the obligation to use “best endeavours … in the context of commercial negotiations and bargaining … will likely be challenging”.

You can bet that will turn out to be a massive understatement.

West Australian farm groups are now mounting a last-minute fight against what the Pastoralists and Graziers Association says is “the biggest attack on private property rights since native title”.

According to the PGA, anything involving ground disturbance of more than 50mm (5cm) will require an individual permit from the local cultural heritage service. This would include “weed control with mechanical equipment”, “construction of new stock yards” and the “installation of new fences”.

A more extensive management plan will need to be approved, the PGA says, for “establishing a new farm … clearing land … contour cultivation … and new forestry plantations”. The PGA is worried that this could be a costly, open-ended process potentially taking months or even years. It says real heritage sites should be protected but not the ones suddenly discovered “just where someone wants to build a new farm road or set of stockyards”.

WA Farmers chief executive Trevor Whittington is particularly concerned at the potential for invented heritage claims to be settled at an unsustainable price. Also, the lack of transparency inherent in a system that turns on cultural heritage but where landowners may not be allowed to know what makes it culturally significant due to “cultural sensitivities”.

Indeed what amounts to cultural heritage can change across time, as the new act makes clear. Yet despite the extensive consultation and protection involved in the new act, because the minister retains ultimate authority, it still has been criticised in some quarters as a “failure to prevent cultural genocide” – suggesting those wanting to restore Aboriginal sovereignty, as if the past two centuries of settlement shouldn’t count, can never be satisfied.

How has it come to this? For one thing, there’s no effective opposition in the WA parliament. With only six Liberal and National MPs in a lower house of 59, not much is going to get effective scrutiny, even if there were a will to do so. For another, with only one metropolitan newspaper, what gets attention is very much the product of just one editor’s interests. At heart, though, this is what happens when unelected and unaccountable officials try to correct a whole system on account of one scandalous mistake (at Juukan Gorge) in ways conforming to current notions of identity politics and political correctness.

What is about to roll out in Western Australia is a micro example of the far-reaching Aboriginal controls that will come with the voice. If it’s established, given its reach into executive government, there’s little doubt that a new class of Indigenous officialdom would be created.

But as for the daily endeavours on which all our livelihoods depend, regardless of ancestry or cultural heritage, these will only get harder with a new and extra layer of Indigenous governance.

This is what happens when a government forgets Bob Hawke’s bicentenary declaration that in this country there must be no “hierarchy of descent” and “no privilege of origin”.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 8:42 am

Greater Penriff:

https://www.domain.com.au/16-sandringham-avenue-cambridge-park-nsw-2747-16482241

$700 a week for a 3-bedroom wooden-clad home in Cambridge Park.

Sure it’s an extreme, like paying $847,000 for a one-bedroom apartment in Newtown.

shatterzzz
June 1, 2023 8:43 am

“That’s the price mechanism at work. We need more people on average to live in each dwelling, and prices do that,” he said.

No doubt, Phil already has plans to let his spare bedrooms to several, deserving, families from Luigi’s next migrant intake …… leading by example …..!

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:44 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 8:46 am

How do people go about sharing housing.
What is he suggesting in practical terms?
Move back in with mum and dad, families house share with unrelated families.
Ten in a bed?

You are not being helpful.
The economically efficient aggregated solution is clear and the price mechanism will deliver.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 1, 2023 8:46 am

I watched Angus Campbell in that hearing. It was hard to believe that our army is in any way headed by pathetic little bureaucrats like this one. What a time-serving little self protector with clearly no clue about what he required his men to do.

This is one reason why the west, historically, spends the first 6-12 months of its wars losing and losing badly – it takes that long to flush the ‘peace generals’ out and replace them with actual warfighters.

Crossie
Crossie
June 1, 2023 8:47 am

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe says there is no immediate fix for people struggling in Australia’s rental markets.

He says rental vacancies are near record lows in large parts of the country, and extremely strong population growth is making the problem worse.

What about all those residential units bought by Chinese nationals as an investment property while they remain in China? I believe most are empty and not counted in the vacancies tally. Pauline Hanson suggested last night on Sky that we buy them all back and then sell on to Australian consumers.

132andBush
132andBush
June 1, 2023 8:47 am

Indolent says:
June 1, 2023 at 7:35 am

Big bucket of salt to go with that link.
There would be nearly zero Amish who are obese. Not to mention their very healthy and active lifestyle.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
June 1, 2023 8:49 am

“The pace of progress in artificial intelligence (I’m not referring to narrow AI) is incredibly fast. Unless you have direct exposure to groups like Deepmind, you have no idea how fast—it is growing at a pace close to exponential. The risk of something seriously dangerous happening is in the five-year timeframe. 10 years at most.”
Elon Musk

Rabz
June 1, 2023 8:49 am

…and no, I don’t believe Dim Chamber’s absurd claims of a budget surplus

I never did. Goose Swansteenesque in its ugliness.

Just wait for the MYEFO, Pol. The “surplus” will be nothing but a bad memory firmly lodged in the forgettery by then.

Structeal deficets will be back – back, baby, back!

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:52 am

I see a lot of empty houses on my travels, presumably awaiting redevelopment.
One in my little street has been vacant for at least four years.
At least they keep the garden tidy.

Rabz
June 1, 2023 8:52 am

Lowie says there is no immediate fix for people struggling in Australia’s rental markets

Apart from importing 750,000 injuns and chinamen in the next 18 months.

A “startling” remedy, to be sure.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 8:52 am

I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.

It’s somewhere between -65° and -20° at the poles and about 35° to 45° around the Equator – which is the thickest bit. So, the average is 15°.

How bloody hard is that to understand?

rosie
rosie
June 1, 2023 8:52 am

Monty believes in a surplus.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 8:53 am

What is he suggesting in practical terms?

Sounds like he’s harking back to the old working class tradition of taking in ‘a lodger’ to help with hard times. My nana and my mum did that. Hence the folkore: “Roger the lodger, the dirty old dodger”.

‘Share flatting’ is used to be called when I first moved to Sydney in 1960. The choices were a room in a boarding house or applying to a place already leased where the leasee (or sometimes an owner) wanted to share costs. Later called ‘student houses’.

These days, if you gain income from it, it would technically be taxable unless a shared lease.
Enter the taxman into the bedrooms of the nation, although he may wisely keep out of it. Probably affect the capital gains situation too on any dwelling that was a primary place of residence and CGT free, especially if run as an impromptu boarding house.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 1, 2023 8:55 am

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2023/05/31/ukraine-war-for-another-20-years

This has historically been the business model of the big armaments industry – drag things out as long as possible, achieve nothing, but sell a truck load of weapons all the while.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 8:56 am

Structeal deficets

It’s great how the old heads remember these howlers!

Stucteal defecits
Skan Kee Ho, a Chinese warlord’s mistress
“Hitler managed the German economy so well with fraudulent MEFO bills, child mortality was higher in 1937 than in 1932”
John Howard’s inevitable massive electoral loss in 2004
Power corridor walking

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 8:58 am

How bloody hard is that to understand?

Not hard, if that’s all they’re using and adjusting for whether measurements are satellite or grounded. But I’ve seen all sorts of other aggregations, fitted into models which just don’t make sense.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 1, 2023 8:59 am
Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:02 am

Mike Pence Set To Launch Presidential Campaign Next Week for Some Reason

LOL!

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:06 am

This nonsense about the AFL fining clubs for not being unracist enough really is the living end.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 9:07 am

rosie says:
June 1, 2023 at 8:44 am
Who does that?
lie on road, get run over, die.

That occasionally happened in the PNG Highlands. Tarred road, warm from the sun, held the heat overnight. So someone would bunk down as night time temps got to around 10 degrees. Squish.

This was in a land of extreme poverty and sometimes an inability to visualise consequences of actions. Here, in North Nowra, my suspicion runs to inebriation and DFO and a nice, warm surface to sober up on. Depending on the victims, you will never know.

Crossie
Crossie
June 1, 2023 9:08 am

flyingduk says:
June 1, 2023 at 8:55 am
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2023/05/31/ukraine-war-for-another-20-years
This has historically been the business model of the big armaments industry – drag things out as long as possible, achieve nothing, but sell a truck load of weapons all the while.

In the process kill and main millions of people but as long as the elite make money it’s all good.

Zipster
June 1, 2023 9:09 am

“The next James Bond won’t be white” according to one industry executive as the hunt for the next 007 intensifies.

Two years since No Time To Die was released, Bond kingpins Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli do not have all the time in the world to decide on the trajectory for the character of Bond.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 1, 2023 9:09 am

Hence the folkore: “Roger the lodger, the dirty old dodger”.

” There was a young girl of Cape Cod
Who thought all babies came from God,
But ’twas not The Almighty
Who lifted her nightie,
But Roger the lodger, the sod!”

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 1, 2023 9:11 am

Crossie

What about all those residential units bought by Chinese nationals as an investment property while they remain in China? I believe most are empty and not counted in the vacancies tally. Pauline Hanson suggested last night on Sky that we buy them all back and then sell on to Australian consumers.

Indeed, and on the precedent set for “environmental” land use changes under Kyoto, a state government could acquire these properties at no more than their original acquisition cost, then sell them at the current market rate.

Yeah, I know, they would never do that to the CCP representatives, their true bosses.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 9:15 am

Yes, yes. Elderly living alone in big houses to take in random lodgers.

Can’t see any down side to that. None at all.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 9:15 am

I’m genderless/non binary

This is where the outright mental illness of it emerges on display.

No-one is genderless. But plenty of teenage girls in particular are refusing to face womanhood.
That’s the issue. This is a psychiatric contagion, a self-supporting cult, dangerously validated.
It’s the new anorexia, body hatred. Erase ‘gender’ just as anorexia erases ‘surplus’ body fat.
A disturbed and dying individual is often the result in anorexia, and ahead of us in ‘non-binary’.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 1, 2023 9:17 am

Gillon McPolo-Pony answers the question, what if you hold an inquiry and nobody shows up? Awks.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 1, 2023 9:18 am

In the process kill and main millions of people but as long as the elite make money it’s all good.

Big war/big pharma Potaytoe/Potarto

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 9:19 am

Those comments about Pence’s presidential run on Gateway Pundit are most unkind. They appear not to trust him. 😀

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 9:20 am

WA Farmers chief executive Trevor Whittington is particularly concerned at the potential for invented heritage claims to be settled at an unsustainable price. Also, the lack of transparency inherent in a system that turns on cultural heritage but where landowners may not be allowed to know what makes it culturally significant due to “cultural sensitivities”.

Things starting to be said out loud.

Exploration drilling over the past 20 years tells me that humbuggery is a regular, if not frequent outcome in these cultural clearance exercises.

Multiply my own little anecdotal observation by thousands across the pastoral sector and development industries – and explain to me how this is going to be an uplifting and unifying Nation-building experience.

(On the way past, I might send a big farkyou very much to the dickheads at Rio Tinto, for mindlessly blasting the Juukan Caves.)

JC
JC
June 1, 2023 9:20 am

Thanks Gilas. Appreciate your comments.

Wifey went with her for a second opinion and saw a vascular dude at Lennox Hill. He hasn’t seen the MRI yet, but looked at the ultra sound. He basically said the same as you , that it’s rare for a kid her age to be stented and suggested going to see a rheumatologist. He saw no evidence requiring a stent on the ultra. He going to check out the MRI later tomorrow our time and give a final verdict.

Really, thanks for this as I was quite taken aback when I heard about it yesterday.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 1, 2023 9:24 am

eating an eight-months-pregnant woman’s sandwich

Which raises the question, how pregnant does a woman have to be before you can legitimately take her sandwich?

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 1, 2023 9:24 am
Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 9:30 am

Why isn’t the ABC pontificating about the wilful destruction of public housing for the aboriginal communities in Geraldton by the aboriginal communities in Geraldton?
Where are the elders, present and emerging?

As in Alice Springs, cowering in their bathrooms I expect.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:32 am

William of Normandy stole Edith Swan-Neck’s sandwich, what a bastard!

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 9:32 am

Gillon McPolo-Pony answers the question, what if you hold an inquiry and nobody shows up? Awks.

Yesterday everyone was happy, today everyone is lawyering up.

Well played, Gillon!

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 1, 2023 9:32 am

Some thoughts on the problems of applying peacetime thinking to wartime:

Brigadier-General FP Crozier argued passionately in his 1937 book The Men I Killed for an understanding of the need for ferocity in war, but also that there is this dichotomy for armed forces in peacetime. Crozier, illustrating his theme with accounts from his WWI experiences, thought that “The man who shines at war is usually at a loss in times of peace, particularly in the regular army.” The British soldiers returning from the Falklands saw this happen, as it does in all wars. Their treatment and their comments underline the essential hypocrisy of many civilians and indeed many service personnel who fail to see, or deliberately ignore the reality of fighting forces – they are there to destroy a country’s enemies, and they need training, equipping and acceptance for that role. Listen to the bitterness of those interviewed by Vincent Bramley for his work Two Sides of Hell:

“We don’t want this sort of soldier in peacetime” said returned Falklands Paratrooper Tony Gregory. “They have been trying for years to destroy the Paras…. We are the best at clearing up the dirt for the shiny-arses, but afterwards the government and the MoD always nip in quickly to stab us in the back. Morale was sinking as the new thinking and attitude towards us took over.

Dominic Gray said

The new CO seemed to have a thing about us Falklands guys. I don’t know if it was just him or if he was having his strings pulled by some arsehole above, in the Ministry of Defence…he never stopped any guys leaving, just stamped their records without so much as a thank you…. For years the shiny-arses in the Ministry of Defence had starved us of the proper equipment we needed for our role. Time and time again we held together and did our job despite them, but as soon as a war appeared we had all the kit delivered within hours, equipment the hypocritical bastards had been telling us for years was impossible.

Kevin Connery thought: “…I could see straight away the Army did not want experienced troops….Within a year about sixty per cent of the guys who had served in the Falklands had gone from the battalion.” He joined the Foreign Legion, who he said “…liked my professional outlook”.

Denzil Connick found after returning to Britain felt that the new CO of his battalion – who had not fought in the Falklands – “…wanted rid of the Falkland men who remained. Morale was not good, in my opinion. It got worse when the lads going on courses found the instructors were insisting on teaching out-of-date tactics…”

But in the time of hostilities acceptance of the need for soldiers to be as aggressive as possible grows in proportion to civilian losses. In forces deployed to be peacemakers, or peacekeepers, we impose strict Rules of Engagement, and we prosecute those who break them. But when our cities are bombed, and our own loved ones killed, and the possibility emerges of the war becoming, as General Von Ludendorff put it, a “total war”, then we want our soldiers to become more lethal. We begin to accept more enemy dead. In WWI the Bishop of London applauded the captain of a fishing boat who refused to take on board the survivors of a crashed Zeppelin encountered in the North Sea. As the reality of the true nature of the scale of the conflict grew in WWII people became enthusiastic about the enemy’s cities being hit. As a tribute to their survival post-war the British put up a statue to RAF Air Marshal “Bomber” Harris, who orchestrated the strategic bombing raids by the British against Germany. Eventually, the attitude of the majority of citizens in danger is that more lethal their forces are the better. We want George Patton, Audie Murphy, Albert Jacka et al to come to our aid. And so our country is saved.

Many accounts of lengthy wars bear this hallmark – that the prevalence and acceptance of maximum lethality increases in proportion with the losses taken and the intensity of the situation. Frank Richards account of several years of WWI illustrates this with the scenario of a British soldier in 1914 jumping onto the parapet of his trench with his hands up, and pointing to a wounded German who was trying to crawl to the British lines. He was not fired on, and went forward and carried in the enemy soldier to the cheers of the German trenches. That would not have happened in 1918.

Robert Graves saw this tendency at work in WWI. He had returned to the front line once more after being wounded, and perceived that the soldier’s initial education had changed:

Infantry Training, 1914, laid it down politely that the soldier’s ultimate aim was to put out of action or render ineffective the armed forces of the enemy. The War Office no longer considered this statement direct enough for a war of attrition. Troops learned instead that they must HATE the Germans, and KILL as many of them as possible. In bayonet-practice, the men had to make horrible grimaces and utter blood-curdling yells as they charged. The instructors’ faces were set in a permanent ghastly grin. “Hurt him, now! In at the belly! Tear his guts out!” they would scream, as the men charged the dummies. “Now that upper swing at his privates with the butt. Ruin his chances for life! No more little Fritzes!

Then – peace breaks out. After a few marches and medal-pinnings we want to put the warriors back in their box. We insist that the savage warriors become tame again. We eventually modify our training in ferocity to become less lethal. We discard the bayonet and satisfy Joanna Burke and her ilk and swear that “we ain’t gonna study war no more”. Eventually Bourke and her cohorts produce texts which condemn the “monstrous and multifarious celebrations of violence”. If there is one aspect of Bourke’s work I agree with it is that she at least produced a work which aimed “to put the killing back into military history”. For we must celebrate the warrior, if we want our warriors to win.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 9:36 am

Elderly living alone in big houses

They may be the better off who can avoid sharing. If not, then sharing could certainly be risky.

When we had our old falling down farmhouse there were two bedrooms and a fibro sleepout. My sister and I had double bunks in the sleepout, my parents the main bedroom and my brother the smaller bedroom. When times got even tougher mum and dad moved my little brother onto a spring bedbase, no mattress, to sleep in their room and let out the middle room to a local farmhand and his girlfriend who worked in the canning factory down the road. As it had become uneconomic to keep his eleven cows for milking, Dad then turned the three-bails and a milk room dairy premises into a ‘dwelling’ (of sorts) and let it out to a family with four or five children (I was never sure how many; they were part-aboriginal and the kids had constant nits in cropped curly ginger hair). There was no bathroom, just a tin tub hung on the wall and a lean-to dunny at the side. No kitchen either, just a table, a primus stove, and the old sluice tap of the dairy, which could provide lukewarm water from a decayed boiler. These things were acceptable, as we had nothing much better ourselves, a primus, a water heating chippie and an outdoor dunny-bin with torn up newspaper did us too.

In picture from Ukraine and Russia of rural villages you can see very similar sorts of arrangements.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 9:36 am

But I’ve seen all sorts of other aggregations, fitted into models which just don’t make sense.

You need to understand the purpose of the model to understand the ‘sense’.

The concept of an average global temperature has very little purpose other than to prosecute a highly simplified argument that the World is on fire – and, usually, that humans are doing it.

My comment above wasn’t a shot at you, it was pointing out the limited technical sense in averaging climatic extremes. (This time I will stop doing sarcasm.)

P
P
June 1, 2023 9:38 am

Dr Miriam Rose to meet Pope Francis during Reconciliation Week
By Marilyn Rodrigues – June 1, 2023

Aboriginal elder Dr Miriam Rose Ungunmerr Baumann has taken her message of reconciliation to Pope Francis and other senior figures at the Vatican, but says her community doesn’t know enough about the upcoming referendum to comment on the First Nations Voice to Parliament.

On the Voice Dr Ungunmerr Baumann said she couldn’t comment, because “a lot of people in the bush don’t really understand what’s going on, because there’s not enough information for us.”

“If it’s going to affect us, why aren’t people explaining it to us and how it might affect us on the ground?”

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 9:41 am

“If it’s going to affect us, why aren’t people explaining it to us and how it might affect us on the ground?”

Don’t be a chicken little and just vote yes, Ma’am.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

132andBush says: June 1, 2023 at 8:47 am
There would be nearly zero Amish who are obese.

Um.. ah… er… 123andBush, Next time you’re in the USA casually driving around “flyover country”, drop in to a field day, draught horse auction, or clearing sale, in Amish country.
Amish have some of the most morbidly obese people in the USA.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:44 am

Deutsche Bank is much more pessimistic than government and QANGO assessments:

Germany moves into recession

Moving into recession. A likely further decline in Russian gas supply after the maintenance of NS1 will necessitate additional savings. While we do not expect a full rationing, we believe the economic consequences will together with a US recession and other headwinds push Germany into a recession in H2 2022. Given that prospects for Russian gas deliveries have darkened since February, this energy shock will not hit Germany by surprise or unprepared. Hence, we expect a modest but rather drawn-out GDP decline, as the economy gradually adjusts. After a 1 ¼% expansion in 2022, German GDP will shrink by around 1% in 2023, largely because consumers will not be able to offset the real income loss by further dissaving. In a “tap remains turned off” scenario, we expect a rationing of gas leading to a GDP slump between 5% and 6% in 2023.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:44 am

Amish have some of the most morbidly obese people in the USA.

I don’t believe you.

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 9:46 am

In picture from Ukraine and Russia of rural villages you can see very similar sorts of arrangements.

I hope you’re not suggesting there is squalor in Russia.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 1, 2023 9:46 am

Seeing NATO soldiers getting beaten up in Kosovo by Serbians was not something I had on my 2023 bingo card.

You can check out, but you can never leave.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I don’t believe you.

You will after you’ve been to a couple of draught horse auctions, clearing sales, or field days.
The men are all fit & brawny from lots of physical movement & doing manly chores, eg harnessing the neddys, pushing carriages around, chopping firewood, all the manual tasks we “English” don’t’ do any more.
Significant proportion of the women are so obscenely obese they can barely move.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 9:52 am

In the end, after my sister and I had left and the farm life had disintegrated, my dad gathered together what was left of any money he’d once had in cows and they purchased (for a couple of thousand pounds) a broken down old wooden house in Sydenham, where the spiral of mental illness recaptured them both. My father moved to Mudgee to live the life of a rural hermit, and my mother again took in a boarder, a sad man in his thirties and his adolescent son. Mum cared for them well, but when they left she was alone and suffered another of her major psychiatric breakdowns, ending up in Broughton Hall for a year, while the house was sold and Bis Sis’s first husband squandered all the money from that on his stockcars, leaving mum destitute. Broughton Hall eventually arranged for her to live with an elderly woman in a four bedroom house in Gladesville, where mum acted as a carer. Big Sis then took mum in to care for her young son while she did tech, and then studied medicine, her life’s dream. At her worst, they were going to put mum into Strickland House, that grand old mansion on the Vaucluse harbourfront that still belongs to the Department of Health and various heritage groups, which was at that time an asylum for the destitute mentally ill. Hairy and I walked by it a lot on harbourside walks during lockdown. Redolent, much.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 9:54 am

???

Further provoking them was the fact Serbian flags had been removed from municipal buildings and replaced with Kosovo flags.

It is in Kosovo right?

The recent disorder began after Kosovo Serbs – who account for about 5% of the country’s 1.8 million population overall – boycotted April’s local elections in four northern municipalities that are majority Serb. This allowed ethnic Albanians to take control of the councils.

What did they expect?

What has this got to do with NATO?

Wouldn’t it be better to have peacekeepers from outside NATO, given the 1999 war?

Like Ireland, Switzerland, Japan and New Zealand?

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 10:00 am
Ed Case
Ed Case
June 1, 2023 10:01 am

Mr Korn giving evidence now.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:10 am

roger

I said about a month ago some of the shenanigans we saw in the US were a front to attack homeschooling.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:11 am

and a group of adults homeschooled as children who regret their experiences.

What about the rest of us that didn’t want to go to school and out up with the indoctrination?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:11 am

PUT

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 10:12 am

I said about a month ago some of the shenanigans we saw in the US were a front to attack homeschooling.

I’ve been expecting the same here…only a matter of time.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 10:14 am

The Amish in Lancaster certainly have some very…ample…men and women. At least they did in 2010. Can’t see how that would improve.

Might have something to do with the way they cook – I brought home a cookbook and it makes you fat just looking at it. The giant fried pretzels may also be a contributing factor.

Jorge
Jorge
June 1, 2023 10:26 am

Germany moves into recession

Reports of the death of the greenback were premature.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:32 am

This is the benchmark the Amish must meet. I reckon their giant pumpkins (Dill’s Atlantic Giant) might get close, but no people.

BEHOLD THE BENCHMARK! SHE’S BIGGER THAN BEN HUR!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 1, 2023 10:35 am

On Senator James Paterson’s YouTube channel:

Unregulated AI could see us “living in a world where you can’t trust the information you receive”

Uhuh. Sounds terrible.
Hey, how about that time the WHO told us covid had a case fatality rate of 3.1%, we could trust that, right?
And then our government told us that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquin were no good as treatments for it, we could trust that information, right?
And how about that time the public service told us inflation is at 7%, but energy bills are going up 25% from today in Queensland and everyone has stories of price rises much bigger than 7%.
And why is there an entire school of thought in politics which says that lying to the public is sometimes the best course of action for governments to take?

Yeah, none of that happened. But just you wait until “unrestricted AI” is deployed, because until that happens you can still “trust the information you receive”.
Duh!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 1, 2023 10:36 am

Ben Robert’s Smith verdict expected this afternoon. Your guide to the terminology.

Afghanistan glossary

Blooding: Initiating a soldier in killing

Blue on blue: Friendly forces attacking each other

Dishdash: Tradition Afghan male dress

Drake shooting: Weapons fire directed in the vicinity of an enemy location and without an aimed target in order to suppress incoming fire

EKIA: Enemy killed in action

FAM: Fighting age male

Green belt: A heavily vegetated area full of cornfields, orchards, farms, aqueducts and pockets of bush

Kill board: A tally of enemy killed kept by the SAS

Outside the wire: Beyond the security perimeter of a coalition base

Pocket litter: Personal effects found on an EKIA or PUC

PUC: Person under capture/control/confinement

Quala: A walled, mud brick compound

Rat lines: Enemy escape routes

ROE: Rules of engagement

Spotter: An enemy surveillance operative who reports coalition soldiers’ movements to militants

Squirter: An insurgent runner leaving the scene of a mission

SSE: Sensitive site exploitation is the gathering of evidence at a scene

Throwdown: Weapon or device put in place to suggest a dead Afghani was a combatant

Warwick
June 1, 2023 10:37 am

Amish people have 10x lower obesity rates then the American average. 4% against I think 42%.

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 10:42 am

Unregulated AI could see us “living in a world where you can’t trust the information you receive”

Like when the South Australian and ACT governments tell us they’re running on 100% renewables?

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:45 am
Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:48 am

Unregulated AI could see us “living in a world where you can’t trust the information you receive”….

And why is there an entire school of thought in politics which says that lying to the public is sometimes the best course of action for governments to take?

Yeah, none of that happened. But just you wait until “unrestricted AI” is deployed, because until that happens you can still “trust the information you receive”.

[Silent Running bassline intensifies in my head.]

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 10:55 am

“unrestricted AI”

Looking forward to that.

Depending on your definition of “unrestricted”, Unrestricted AI is either going to be horrifically unwoke and will say things that can’t be said, or will sound like a Greens preselection candidate.

Filters will be the challenge.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 10:58 am

One of the authors of the “lying to the serfs is OK” paper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miller_(political_theorist)

Just an elitist, utopian lefty.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
June 1, 2023 10:59 am

Clubs and coaches keep getting seduced by Tevita Pangai Jnr. He is big, aggressive and does have ball skills but he has no ‘football’ intelligence. He attempts to offload in while entangled with 3 or 4 defenders instead of running into gaps so he only has to deal with 1 or 2 and then pass. Fifita from the GC has simplified his game to only pass when he has an advantage. Pangai could learn from Fifita.

Vicki
Vicki
June 1, 2023 11:08 am

Ben Robert’s Smith verdict expected this afternoon. Your guide to the terminology.

Zulu – your terminology guide is a reminder of how little the average Aussie understands about the realities of operations that took place all those years in that miserable terrain in Afghanistan.

I dread the fallout from the ABC’s (and others’) vendetta against our troops, and against our decorated soldiers. The level of sanctimonious drivel that passes for criticism of military operations against an elusive, protected and deadly enemy is appalling.

And still the Left march through our institutions, just as Gramsky predicted.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 1, 2023 11:14 am

It’s kind of like the shift on China from 90s. We thought by bringing them into WTO, having close ties they would become more like us, but opposite happened.

I remember being gobsmacked by what seemed to me to be the supreme triumph of naivete over smarts when Clinton gave China ‘Most Favoured Nation’ trade status, saying it would make them like the US.

Thinks I “Why would they change? They are getting what they want without it.”

Same thought occurred when they were awarded the Olympics.

Of course, the real role of naivete in all this was not that of our political leaders, but cynical them thinking they could count on the naivete of their voters.

And even now that corrupt class is falling over itself selling out their nations to China and letting China run rampant and unchecked while pretending they are being courageous statesmen standing up to the tyrannical regime.

Yet if China but snaps it fingers…

132andBush
132andBush
June 1, 2023 11:16 am

Sal.

Only 4% of the Amish population are obese as defined by a Body Mass Index above 30, whereas 31% of the US adult population is obese.

Link

It does however vary from region to region.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 1, 2023 11:18 am

Monty believes in a surplus.

And he believes cocks in frocks.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 11:22 am

Might have something to do with the way they cook – I brought home a cookbook and it makes you fat just looking at it. The giant fried pretzels may also be a contributing factor.

Not just the Amish.
When I visit the States I’ll usually have an IHOP breakfast at least once.

A loaded bacon omelette with a side of breakfast fried potatoes and pie = <97.3% of the daily calories for a male-identifying human personage.

And I’m never embarrassed by my fellow diners giving me the You Pig! look.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 1, 2023 11:23 am

Ex and I send our kids to Catholic schools. Fees to go north baby! Hun:

Catholic schools have gone to battle with the Andrews government over its controversial payroll tax, warning that making middle-income parents prop up the state budget was unfair and would “damage our relationship”.

The Catholic Education Commission of Victoria (CECV) yesterday wrote to all state Labor MPs on behalf of its 21,000 students and 40,000 parents, pleading with them not to proceed with the plan.

The removal of the payroll exemption for 115 private schools – including 20 Catholic schools – is expected to add around $1000 to the annual fees and cost high-end schools up to $7m a year.

It’s understood schools will hear whether they will be hit with the tax on July 1 this year.

The letter signed by CECV executive director Jim Miles says the new $421m tax “will damage our relationship and reverse decades of settled policy”.

“The new tax will rip up to $1 million a year from the operating budgets of schools,” it says.

An internal working list of 20 Catholic schools expected to be hit by the new tax obtained by the Herald Sun includes high-flyers Xavier College, which has fees of more than $30,000 a year, followed by Loreto Toorak and Genazzano ($27,000).

The list also includes nine schools with fees of less than $10,000, including Sacred Heart Girls’ College in Oakleigh, St Joseph’s Ferntree Gully and Our Lady of the Sacred Heart College in Bentleigh

The letter to Labor MPs says most of the schools affected are not wealthy.

“They are local secondary schools, with hard working middle-class families, who now face fee increases and/or cuts in teaching and learning programs and investment in school facilities,” the letter says.

“Based on the Victorian government’s forecasts, this decision equates to a 10 per cent cut in funding to non-government schools from the Victorian Government. Some Catholic schools could actually become a funding source for the Victorian Government – they could pay more in payroll tax than they receive in state recurrent grants.

“We are asking for you to advocate to your colleagues that the proposal not proceed. At the minimum, the fee threshold at which schools become eligible for payroll tax should be

significantly increased,” it says.

The threshold for schools affected will be average fees of $8000 or more next year.

Marco Di Cesare, principal of Marcellin College in Bulleen, which charges annual average fees of around $12,000, said his school “aimed to break even”.

“We do not sit on a comfortable surplus. We are disappointed to be lumped into high-fees schools which charge $40,000 or more.”

Mr Di Cesare said his school would have to find “significant savings” given that it wanted to minimise the impact on parents.

Rita Grima, principal of St Columba’s College in Essendon, which charges fees of around $10,000, said the school could be up for a bill of around $800,000 next year.

“We have families from a variety of socio-economic backgrounds. Why should our families be asked to help balance the State budget?” she said.

The bill tabled in parliament states that the tax will be levied by the Minister for Education and the Treasurer according to the fees charged, other financial contributions received by the school and “any other matters the Minister considers appropriate”.

The Opposition on Wednesday seized on comments made by Education Minister Natalie Hutchins during Question Time.

When asked about whether independent schools would be slugged three times by also being forced to pay Covid and mental health debt levies, Ms Hutchins said she was unaware of Victorian schools with a payroll above the $10m threshold.

But Opposition education spokesman Matt Bach later said this response was “obviously untrue”.

“According to the most recent data, 69 Victorian independent schools have a payroll above $10m,” he said.

“This will simply mean that they won’t just have to pay the initial schools tax, they will have to pay a triple-whammy of taxation.”

He said the Opposition will repeal the tax if it wins office in 2026. (yes, he really did say that)

A state government spokesman said the government has an established process for separating low fee from high fee independent schools.

“The threshold will be indexed, and we’ll have more to say about which schools will no longer receive the exemption before the new financial year,” he said

The government’s aim is to ensure the exemption only remains for schools that genuinely need support.

The CECV national director Jacinta Collins also signalled the tax could have implications for the federal funding of schools.

As the good Dr Faustus is wont to say, Top Men. FMD

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 11:24 am

Tedesco had bit of a crap game (two really crucial misses, one bomb, one tackle), both teams were nervous, NSW had more forward passes than Tom Brady, QLD did as many knock-ons as a mini-league game. The backlines were not set deep enough and the long kicking game wasn’t brilliant.

Wasn’t a high-quality game, it sure had some skill and intensity, but a lot of unforced errors.

Games 2 and 3 should be better as the teams gel and they play on more familiar grounds.

The NSW attack is too predictable on the 4th and 5th tackles; their defence didn’t slide as well as QLD, some tries were “weak” but I’ll give them a “pass” being towards the end of the match. Fittler sounded a bit nervous before the game.

Cobbo nearly got an intercept that would have put NSW to the sword earlier on. If he didn’t knock on, he was going to motor the hell out of there.

Not sure if it was Cobbo – but one QLD try was incredible that the winger stayed in. There was a line drop out NSW got against QLD and the commentators were cheering on the NSW “defence”, but old mate literally just clipped the QLD back, passionate play, but not professional execution.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 1, 2023 11:24 am

One woke to rule them all, one woke to find them, One woke to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them; In the Land of Sodom where the shadows lie.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/05/31/magic-the-gathering-reveals-clearer-look-at-race-swapped-aragorn-for-lord-of-the-rings-card-set/

A fan page previewing dozens of card designs shows MTG, a billion-dollar franchise owned by Hasbro subsidiary Wizards of the Coast, has race-swapped several other characters for the new collection. Legolas the elf is depicted as Asian, Eowyn the human is black, and Meriadoc “Merry” Brandybuck the hobbit appears to be Hispanic or Native American.

Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 11:25 am

“Via Iowahawk, the former DA of San Fran & one of the architects of turning the city into The Walking Dead is now the head of Berkeley Law School.”

Could that person be…”Chesa Boudin”?

Biological son of far-left terrorists, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert.

Adopted son of far-left terrorists, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Childhood playmate and good friend of far-left US President, Barack Obama (Barry Obama used to spend a lot of time hanging around Bill and Bernardine, in fact he idolised them), and whose far-left presidency will be remembered as the main contributor to the current malaise the USA is in, it was under the Obama presidency that the CIA, DoJ, and FBI became partisan hacks and operatives for the Democrats.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 1, 2023 11:25 am

I don’t know if anyone else has commented on it, but AOC is going batscat nuts about a parody account called

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody)
@AOCpress

which boasts the motto “Saying the quiet part out loud. (parody)”

Some of the story surrounding the brouhaha.

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 11:26 am

I remember being gobsmacked by what seemed to me to be the supreme triumph of naivete over smarts when Clinton gave China ‘Most Favoured Nation’ trade status, saying it would make them like the US.

To be fair to Clinton, this was a logical extenion of Kissinger’s rapprochement with Communist China in the early ’70s. Kissinger’s 2011 book, On China, was an apologia written to protect his reputation when the dire consequences of American policy were beginning to become apparent.

Vicki
Vicki
June 1, 2023 11:28 am

Amish have some of the most morbidly obese people in the USA.

We visited Lancaster area (& the quaintly named town of Intercourse!) some years ago. We stayed at a celery farm of a Mennonite family who are less strict & were absolutely charming. Incredibly hard working. But we certainly didn’t notice any excessively obese Amish.

We were amused to see a young bloke in a light carriage ripping along the road into town with a high stepping horse. “An Amish sports car!” according to my husband. We were shown over a working dairy farm and watched an incredibly able young farmer ploughing a field behind four (my recollection) HUGE mules. The latter certainly didn’t like tourists – the ones in the stables made that very clear!

On the other hand, our Amish guide was surprised to see that his Aussie tourists knew a lot about farming. We really, really liked the Amish that we met.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 11:29 am

Adopted son of far-left terrorists, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Good lord. Arguably she was the directing mind of Weather Underground.

She should swap places with van Houten.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 1, 2023 11:30 am

Black Ball – that is just the start. Living in Victoriastan will have its costs. I remember doing a cost comparison of registering a car in WA and NSW during the 90s. It wasn’t insignificant. Try that for most things.

Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 11:32 am

“She should swap places with van Houten.”

No, she should share a cell with Van Houten

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 1, 2023 11:34 am

Mike Pence Set To Launch Presidential Campaign Next Week for Some Reason

It costs millions to step into the ring, tens of millions through the primaries, and hundreds of millions after that to have a shot at POTUS.

I realise there’s political chess being played, but you’d wonder at the thinking of donors exchanging big bucks for Pence.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 1, 2023 11:36 am

Milhous van Houten?

You’ve jumped the shark on this one, Cletus.

Vicki
Vicki
June 1, 2023 11:44 am

For we must celebrate the warrior, if we want our warriors to win.

Thank you, Topender, for that treatise excerpt on the terrors and necessities of warfare. So much is forgotten in peacetime. It was fine for the Allies to carpet bomb cities into oblivion, like Dresden, and others ….but today, in reviewing the execution of individual suspected combatants in such a disputed and difficult war zone as Afghanistan, we are moved to disgust and the decision to punish the perpetrators.

We are a stupid people with stunted memory capacity.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 11:45 am

Chuckle. I’ve been to Intercourse too Vicki. Some very nice fabric stores there. Patchwork heaven.

Things I noticed – women on scooters, the old fashioned pump up tyre kind. They’re allowed to use them…no bicycles. The idea is that no one travels further than a day’s walk. And, of course, the buggies. Carbon fibre and I was told very expensive, but they can afford it. Horses – unwanted race horses, beautiful animals picked up at good prices and very well treated.

On obesity, most of the younger women and children were slim as. It was the middle aged women who appeared to be piling on the kilos (how about that!) but not an excessive number, just a few here and there. The physical activity of each day would keep them fit and able to eat their gargantuan meals, but it would be interesting to see what happens come winter and everything slows down dramatically. Many of the older men supported paunches, very hobbit-like, but most of the younger ones were thin and wiry.

This was in Pennsylvania, around Intercourse, Bird in Hand and Leola, 2010.

What I wasn’t prepared for were the enormous people in the cities, even back then. And I definitely wasn’t prepared for the huge servings of fried spuds and other filler sides that made up restaurant meals.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 1, 2023 11:45 am

mea culpa. I typed “unrestricted AI” in quotes when it was supposed to be “unregulated AI” as Senator Patterson was responding to a question of regulation.
Ironic he’d just finished using the example of out-of-control inflation and that government was making the problem worse when a minute later he made the comment about AI leading to info that can’t be trusted.

Haven’t seen Silent Running but from the promo blurb I get the feeling that the short flick Moon (feat Sam Worthington) had a similar setup.

Strange Dot would blame lefties for political deception as though the main political struggle of our modern times is some quaint 19th century French split of Left versus Right. Does (heaven forbid) our own side never tell any porkies? Not even at elections?

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 1, 2023 11:49 am

Ed Casesays:
June 1, 2023 at 11:36 am
Milhous van Houten?

You’ve jumped the shark on this one, Cletus.

Oi! There is only one Cletus the Illustrious (aka Lusty Cletus).

There is, however, you, Grandpa Cletus, the inbred, semi-literate, gap toothed, slack-jawed yokel.

Stay in your lane.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 1, 2023 11:53 am

Barry Obama used to spend a lot of time hanging around Bill and Bernardine

No no no.
He assured everyone Bill was “just some guy in the neighbourhood”.
Who baby-sat the kiddies.

Lysander
Lysander
June 1, 2023 11:54 am

The BRS ruling is due out at 2.15pm AEST…

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 11:55 am

Just looking at my Amish cookbook now, and flipped to the index. Found something I didn’t realise was there – a collection of poems dedicated to the victims of the Nickel Mines shooting.

They are sleeping, calmly sleeping,
In a new-made grave today.
We are weeping, sadly weeping,
For the loved ones gone away.

Poor little girls.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 1, 2023 12:00 pm

More whitewash in Barry’s background than The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 1, 2023 12:00 pm

A ‘modest’ Indigenous voice to parliament? Take a look out west to consider it’s far reaching consequences

Bush telegraph reckons Mark McGowan bailed out to avoid going down with this particular ship.

Kneel
Kneel
June 1, 2023 12:10 pm

“But I’ll be outraged when it’s [Bundy] banned, too.”

The only use I have for rum, is white rum as part of a Long Island Iced Tea.

John H.
John H.
June 1, 2023 12:12 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
June 1, 2023 at 9:15 am
I’m genderless/non binary

This is where the outright mental illness of it emerges on display.

No-one is genderless. But plenty of teenage girls in particular are refusing to face womanhood.
That’s the issue. This is a psychiatric contagion, a self-supporting cult, dangerously validated.
It’s the new anorexia, body hatred. Erase ‘gender’ just as anorexia erases ‘surplus’ body fat.
A disturbed and dying individual is often the result in anorexia, and ahead of us in ‘non-binary’.

Lizzie I had a brief look at this a few months back. It’s quite scary because in one study the finding was that young girls, who had never previously displayed gender dysphoria, upon exposure to social media, quickly demanded recognition as being trans. That was granted which I find very puzzling. The trend was much more prominent in those with a prior history of psychiatric problems. Which goes to your point about mental illness.

I don’t understand this at all. I cannot comprehend how a person would choose to change their whole life course in such a radical way simply because of social media. There’s something else going on. Some hidden motivations or pathologies are behind this.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 1, 2023 12:16 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 1, 2023 at 12:00 pm
A ‘modest’ Indigenous voice to parliament? Take a look out west to consider it’s far reaching consequences

Bush telegraph reckons Mark McGowan bailed out to avoid going down with this particular ship.

Didn’t he know the significance of the legislation?

More likely he did the job he had planned to do, and then departed on his own terms.

Cassie of Sydney
June 1, 2023 12:16 pm

The malfeasance, the set up, the stitch, and the complete and utter trashing of due process.

Sofronoff inquiry told that Heidi Yates went with Brittany Higgins to meeting with PM
By REMY VARGA

ACT Victims of Crime Commissioner Heidi Yates accompanied former ministerial staffer Brittany Higgins to her meeting with then Prime Minister Scott Morrison, the Sofronoff inquiry has heard.

Counsel assisting Erin Longbottom KC said Ms Higgins’ partner David Sharaz first contacted Ms Yates on behalf of the former ministerial staffer ahead of her meeting with the then PM.

“From that point Ms Yates became involved with Ms Higgins and provided support throughout the investigation and trial,” she said.

Ms Longbottom said Ms Yates supported Ms Higgins over the next 18 months and liaised with police and the director of public prosecution over the next 18 months.

She said the high-profile commissioner’s conspicuous presence with Ms Higgins attracted public criticism.

Ms Yates is giving testimony on Thursday.

Ms Yates first became aware of Ms Higgins months before the ministerial staffer made public allegations against former colleague Bruce Lehrmann.

Ms Yates told the inquiry she was approached by a male presenter after she spoke at a community event. She said the presenter told her there was a young woman who was about to make a sexual assault disclosure that would likely attract national media attention.

Ms Yates said the man told her he was gathering messages of support and asked her to write a message that provided the expression of support to Ms Higgins, which she did.

“I was never sure whether that initial email of support was provided to anyone,” she said.

Ms Higgins said she first met Ms Higgins at the end of April in 2021.

Ms Yates accompanied Ms Higgins to meetings with then opposition leader Anthony Albanese and Tanya Plibersek as well as then Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Ms Yates said Ms Higgins presented a list of requests for systemic reform during the meeting with Mr Albanese and Ms Plibersek.

“Ms Higgins was not speaking about the incident herself,” she said. “She was focused on speaking about the need for systemic change.”

Ms Yates said Ms Higgins met Mr Morrison and senior public servant Stephanie Foster about a review of parliamentary workplace responses to disclosures of serious incidents.

Ms Yates said she received an email from Mr Sharaz, who she said she knew from his time as a Canberra journalist, on April 26 before speaking to him on the phone.

Ms Yates said Mr Sharaz told her Ms Higgins needed support and help for a looming meeting with Mr Morrison.

Higgins ‘became increasingly anxious’

Ms Yates says Ms Higgins was becoming increasingly anxious over the course of the investigation into her allegations amid intense media scrutiny.

She said Ms Higgins was also coming under pressure as she participated in workplace reviews and said Ms Higgins asked her to contact the police on her behalf.

“She was being invited to a number of formal reviews that were occurring at a federal government level that were reportedly sparked as a result of her disclosure,” said Ms Yates.

“She was receiving very high levels of contact from hundreds of people directly including many people who were wishing to discuss their own experiences of sexual violence with her to make disclosures and seek her engagement on them.

“She was being subjected to persistent online trolling or abuse and threats and she was also dealing with the impacts of her own experience at Parliament House and trying to assist the police in the investigation.”

Ms Yates said Ms Higgins was becoming increasingly anxious police would contact her about something potentially traumatic while she was in the public eye and asked her to act as a point of contact with investigators due to difficulties the former staffer was facing when engaging with police.

“She at that stage indicated police had been contacting her from time to time asking her for information or at times seemed to be calling without a specific reason for the call,” she said.

“She wasn’t complaining in any way about the manner they engaged with her but rather she was very anxious about when police might call and what they may be asking of her … noting that every time her phone dinged or rang she was concerned it might be police and in the middle of something or in the middle of a public place … she might be asked a question that took her back the traumatic events for her and she was anxious about doing that.

“That was adding to her overall anxiety and pressures she was experiencing.”

Lead investigator ‘adopted a harsh tone’

One of the lead investigators in the case of Mr Lehrmann told Ms Higgins if she continued to speak to the media it “would all be for nothing”, the inquiry has heard.

Ms Yates said Superintendent Scott Moller adopted a harsh tone and the words were “directive rather than informative”.

“Superintendent Moller was using his hands to emphasise things,” she said.

“I observed a change in Ms Higgins’ response … I recall noting she started to slump in her chair … she started looking down and I believe she started to cry.”

ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold SC. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Martin Ollman
ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold SC. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Martin Ollman
Lehrmann’s former lawyer ‘did not ask Drumgold’ about Higgins text messages

Bruce Lehrmann’s former defence counsel has denied asking ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold SC about text messages sent by Ms Higgins.

The Sofronoff inquiry heard that barrister John Korn, who did not act for Mr Lehrmann during the trial, received a cellebrite report as part of a brief of evidence.

Counsel assisting Joshua Jones said Mr Drumgold said Mr Korn called him after receiving the brief and said Superintendent Scott Moller, a lead investigator, told him there were important text messages in the brief.

Mr Korn said on Thursday he “had no such conversation with Mr Drumgold”.

“I absolutely would not have had that conversation with an opponent, a DPP prosecutor,” he said. “I absolutely would not have had that conversation.”

Just remember this, whilst the Higgins’ case was being heard in a court in the ACT last October, Yates accompanied Higgins to court everyday. At the same time, in an adjacent court, another sexual assault was being heard, and Heidi Yates, the so called “ACT Victims of Crime Commissioner”, was no where to be seen. Clearly Ms Yates wasn’t very worried about that woman’s anxieties.

Morsie
Morsie
June 1, 2023 12:19 pm

Trump seems to have jumped the shark.Belting his former press secretary who had the hardest job in the world and praising Cupmo for his covid actions.
Not exactly what the right is looking for.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 12:28 pm

I’ve just watched Jordan Peterson interview a Dr. Addey, about nutrition and emotional health. Interesting perspectives on preventative medicine; take those early tests for CHD and cancer and regard exercise as perhaps even more important than diet in maintaining total physiological well-being. I like too Peterson’s view of the importance for psychological health of being ‘nested in a functional hierarchy’, ie having a group of people from a range of social arenas with whom you interact on a regular basis, which I’d say doesn’t have to be as extensive as the rubric sounds. For older people, it can be watching passers by while shopping and engaging in casual conversations as well as joining in activity groups. Not surprising that I was also interested in his approach to ‘writing activities’ as a means of comprehending one’s past and organising one’s future. All helpful things to do for those who feel stuck or perhaps simply nostalgic, and probably something people with good coping skills do throughout their life mentally even if they don’t write it out.

The wide discourse made possible on a place like Catallaxy offers this sort of ‘health’ too, as long as it doesn’t form a replacement for that face-to-face ‘functional hierarchy’ but is simple complementary to it.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 12:29 pm

Strange Dot would blame lefties for political deception as though the main political struggle of our modern times is some quaint 19th century French split of Left versus Right. Does (heaven forbid) our own side never tell any porkies? Not even at elections?

Either you want freedom or you don’t. Lies are not constructive, once they’re exposed your credibility is shot; anyone who wants freedom certainly doesn’t want the government lying, or silencing whistleblowers.

The government is about the last thing I want intentionally lying to me because it has a monopoly of force and can not only make the rules we live under, but once it starts lying systemically it can start making the rules it operates under, changing them at will, denying challenges to these new rules and deceiving the population about it. It is a disastrous idea and it is like a black hole for freedom.

It is telling that the theoretical framework supporting a lying, abusive government would come from a utopian leftist.

Does anyone seriously support Nixon’s illegal activities? No.

I can’t fathom how the “right” can get back to lying as the modus operandi unless you go back to the medieval ideas of a divine right of kings, inherited serfdom and misuse of the Old Testament.

I don’t hold any commonality with oddball stuff like WigNats other than occasional criticism of the status quo. Their solutions are awful and stupid and based on paranoid myths.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 1, 2023 12:30 pm

NT Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says “politics needs to stay out of sport” after a Welcome to Country at the State of Origin called on Australians to “make the right call” at the looming referendum on the voice to parliament.

“Australians don’t like being lectured to. I’ve always said politics needs to stay out of sport. It’s certainly turning me off,” she told Sydney’s 2GB.

Uncle Karl Winda Telfer addressed Adelaide Oval on Wednesday night ahead of the match between the Queensland Maroons and the NSW Blues. Mr Telfer said the match was taking place on sacred land and Australians would need to have “serious conversations” before the end of the year. More

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 12:31 pm

No, she should share a cell with Van Houten

Good call.

Dot
Dot
June 1, 2023 12:32 pm

Uncle Karl Winda Telfer addressed Adelaide Oval on Wednesday night ahead of the match between the Queensland Maroons and the NSW Blues. Mr Telfer said the match was taking place on sacred land and Australians would need to have “serious conversations” before the end of the year.

Saints Donald Bradman and Darren Lehmann agree.

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 12:34 pm

Great comment, Lizzie.

Warwick
June 1, 2023 12:34 pm

US Obesity is 42%. Another 30 per cent are considered overweight.

I saw this as a obese man myself.

Roger
Roger
June 1, 2023 12:37 pm

Mr Telfer said the match was taking place on sacred land…

Can’t be long before totemism is the official state religion.

calli
calli
June 1, 2023 12:40 pm

Ms Yates said Superintendent Scott Moller adopted a harsh tone and the words were “directive rather than informative”.

Ahhhh. Didn’t like his “tone”.

That’s a hanging offence right there.

Everyone involved in this affair desperately wanted to raise their public profile, including the hand patting commissioner. All at the expense of the presumption of innocence.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 1, 2023 12:44 pm

I had to deal with a couple of severely anorexic students. Intelligent girls who would arrive in my office looking pretty much the same. They were all ‘dolly birds’, dressed in pink, wearing fluffy boleros and other tops with glitter doggies or shiny hearts on them, and always clutching a pretty little purse.

The just didn’t want to let go of childhood and they were starving themselves to stop themselves developing properly into women. They were devious and would agree to certain conditions of study, which you knew they were just not going to keep. Their heads were elsewhere, fixated on their next weight loss, their obsessions reinforced by membership of their damaging cult of external display.

I don’t see the new ‘gender dysphoria’ and particularly the ‘genderless’ aspect of it, as any different.
These girls have no view of themselves in their future; they are psychologically ‘stuck’, ‘stalled’, missing an adult trajectory. Their role models are not functioning adults, they are eternal adolescents.
They cannot conceive of themselves as parents, or as older people. They are obsessives and complete narcissists, who at a certain stage of unreality will require psychological help and constant monitoring to even survive.

The Peterson piece I just watched is funded by ads. Annoyingly, one of these was by a gay/transgender group flying their flag (notably held by young teens) arguing against ‘gay deprogramming and detransitioning’ – which were lumped together btw.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 1, 2023 12:44 pm

Milhous van Houten?
You’ve jumped the shark on this one, Cletus.

Even the attempts at comedy are poor at best.

Lysander
Lysander
June 1, 2023 12:49 pm

Harvard Professor writes these things as if they were bad… ugh…

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/if-trump-returns/

As president, Trump withdrew from the Paris climate agreement and abandoned the Trans-Pacific Partnership that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had negotiated. He weakened the World Trade Organization, imposed tariffs on steel and aluminium imports from allies, launched a trade war against China, withdrew from the Iran nuclear agreement, criticised the G7 and praised authoritarian leaders with well-known records of violating human rights. He was notably gentle in his relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and sceptical of US support for Ukraine.

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  1. Abbott would be better just shutting up rather than fluffing around like how does now. It’s all about the ‘pension”…

  2. And everyone thought it all funny when it was only in the universities. And still they think it can be…

  3. Jo Hackett was the lady selling “Don’t Welcome Me to My Own Country” bumper stickers, before THAT referendum.

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