Open Thread – Tues 30 May 2023


A Bar at the Folie-Bergère, Edouard Manet, 1882

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 6:27 pm

Blockquote fail.

Amazing how distracted one can become by a wet dog desperate for a pat.

cohenite
May 31, 2023 6:28 pm

It’s as long as the two comments Gilas posted and I replied.

Yeah, but Gilas makes sense. Try a few simple sentences and gradually work your way up to paragraphs. I’m not saying you’ve got a novel or even a short story inside you but I see enough flashes of coherence to be confident you can post some medium length efforts. .

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:28 pm

So, no room for egg white!

P
P
May 31, 2023 6:29 pm

The Brave New World of Medically Assisted Dying future?

Radio ads in 2055:

“After my arthritis worsened, I’m having trouble cleaning my home.”
“Have you considered maid?”
“A maid? I can’t afford that!”
“No, silly: Medical assistance in dying! Available at a pharmacy near you.”

A message from the Government of Canada.

https://twitter.com/TristinHopper/status/1663257637092462592
h/t Gray Connolly

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 6:29 pm

Al Pacino, at 82, about to become a father again with girlfriend, 29.

Ahahahaaaaa.

Does anyone really believe an 82-year-old’s swimmers are still swimming? Me neither.

‘Milko! Ohh, milko!’

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:30 pm
Indolent
Indolent
May 31, 2023 6:31 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 31, 2023 6:31 pm

Thankfully, it hasn’t yet been banned for home consumption. A secret pleasure.

A secret pleasure: along the lines of ‘I enjoy an enema and a sound thrashing across the buttocks before bed’.

But I’ll be outraged when it’s banned, too. In much the same theoretical way I was outraged by the ban on absinthe.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:32 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:33 pm
calli
calli
May 31, 2023 6:33 pm

I see @rseholes are in Australia from o’seas for a noble cause – letting down the tyres on SUVs.

When someone is killed from a deliberately deflated tyre will they feel shame? Unlikely. This is a religious movement and they are righteous in their own tiny, shrivelled minds.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:35 pm
cohenite
May 31, 2023 6:35 pm

Snapper Rocks at Coolangatta is one of the best waves to surf in the world. When I surfed it there was just a few guys out now look at it during some great waves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6kX5sHa2g

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:35 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:37 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 6:40 pm

You mean the tentacle stuff dover?

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 6:42 pm

JC says:
May 31, 2023 at 5:58 pm

I agree with your comments.
Italians in WW1 fought as well as anyone, but were let down by appalling leadership in Caporetto (Gens. Cadorna, Diaz etc..).
During WW2, Mussolini was unenthusiastic about entering a war that the Italian Army was utterly unprepared for. Galeazzo Ciano’s diaries detail all this.
Some of my 2nd-degree relatives went to Russia (Don Campaign), totally unequipped for the climate, with insufficient ammo, support etc.. It was a bloodbath, both in and out of combat. Utterly, criminally incompetent leadership.
There was a famous saying at the time: “Armiamoci e partite!” rough translation: “Let’s arm ourselves, before you leave for war!” (Subjunctive clauses are more efficient than in English)
As expected, there were few casualties within the Italian elites…

After centuries of complex political intrigues and treacheries, Italians understood the lies and hypocrisies of the fast-talking charlatan/demagogues better than most, applying appropriate zeal to the task.

My school “friends” were simply kids, jingoistic and ignorant of history. Maybe they learnt something since.

Tom
Tom
May 31, 2023 6:44 pm

Humphrey, I’m allergic to violence, especially the sort brought on by too much Bundy.

I just love the flavour.

It reminds me of burning canefields.

bespoke
bespoke
May 31, 2023 6:46 pm

And now material that would have shocked mainstream sensibilities in the 70s has been freely available since the 90s.

With easier access for kids today thanks to the internet.

I blame the randy Victorians.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 6:49 pm

I have no dog in the “war of words” fight, but JC does – perhaps inadvertently, perhaps subtly – make a very good point in his so-called WoW.

Notably, that Italian heritage would seem to be determinant of absolutely nothing when it comes to war fighting ability or otherwise – viz, his stats on the US forces in WW2.

Yet again underscoring it is culture, not heritage per se, that is the crucial determinant.

bespoke
bespoke
May 31, 2023 6:49 pm

Or Pompeii

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 6:52 pm

I don’t support, agree with, or believe in what I link.

It is more a sort of copy-paste Tourette’s.

White privilege and immunity.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 6:53 pm

Mother Lode, are you being deliberately inscrutable or am I missing something?

On the upside, I know more about ducks and have done a quick refresher on basic geometry, so there is that…

Zipster
Zipster
May 31, 2023 7:02 pm

WHY MOST WOKE PEOPLE ARE WOMEN

universal suffrage is civilisation ending

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 31, 2023 7:02 pm
Miltonf
Miltonf
May 31, 2023 7:04 pm

All been to the uni no doubt

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 7:06 pm
Crossie
Crossie
May 31, 2023 7:08 pm

“The United Nations has come out with its own suggestion [emergency platform] to give enormous power to the UN Secretary-General in the event of an emergency,” or global shock, reported Dr. Nass.

They can suggest all they want and some foolish politicians can even sign stupid agreements but I don’t understand how the UN can enforce anything without help. If a country change their minds all they have to do is not comply. Who is going to come and make them comply? Whose army? And even some army did it would be an act of war.

The real assault on populations would be by their own governments and the UN is irrelevant.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 31, 2023 7:08 pm

Apologies for being a sourpuss here at 7.23am. Truth to tell I had a tossing around night restructuring in my head some writing following Hairy’s comments on it last nite and I had commitments all morning after my dance class so couldn’t easily skip it. I drove there and did it, and felt better due to the endorphins and a triple shot coffee with my friends. I then did various forms of support work additional to an NDIS support worker already there concerning a weekly dog exchange turnabout between my son and my other son’s schizophrenic ex-partner in the wilds of Redfern’s public housing. The poor mutt, a nice albeit boundingly large young hound, was glad to see me because I usually bring the lamb bone leftovers from ours for him. I forgot them this morning so I told my son to give him one of the steaks I was handing over as well. Needs must.

Then one of those window washers at traffic lights got cross because I made a no-can-do sign as he approached, as I didn’t have any change on me, and he gave me such a filthy look, entitled woman in a BMW, eff you, etc, spraying the bonnet of my car contemptuously instead. I’m not what you think, I felt like telling him, but actually, I was. So many angry people in the world, it’s getting scary.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 31, 2023 7:09 pm

Incidentally, I would put the Dawson and Epstein cases in the same boat.
You’re misreading the dosage on the bottle again?
Epstein was a Spook in the blackmail business.
Chrisso got led up the garden path by a schoolgirl psychopath, ended up being totally fleeced by her, then she got him locked up for something for which there isn’t any evidence, now they’re trying to nail him for Carnal Knowledge, the complainant is 58 years old?!!

Gimme an effing break, this travesty makes the Pell case look like an honest mistake.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 7:13 pm

You’re letting the flamers get off pretty lightly Groogs.

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:15 pm

You must be so old, Roger. Playboy was mainstream in the seventies.

It may have been in the newsagent’s but only wankers bought it.

The ’70s was indeed the turning point; what had been under the counter in the ’60s was by the end of the ’70s in your face whenever you entered the shop.

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 7:16 pm

word wall

nah … ward-wall works just as well, if not betterer

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 7:16 pm

Chrisso got led up the garden path by a schoolgirl psychopath, ended up being totally fleeced by her, then she got him locked up for something for which there isn’t any evidence, now they’re trying to nail him for Carnal Knowledge, the complainant is 58 years old?!!

Mmmyes the metamorphosis of Believe Britney to Shut Up Young Tart is complete.
Re read your words ‘something for which there isn’t any evidence’ then apply to the case in the ACT.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 7:17 pm

Mother Lode, are you being deliberately inscrutable or am I missing something?

I must own that i am parodying the copious but I’ll-digested excretions of another poster whom, if he were restricted to 5 posts per day, would probably post 5 gems that he would vouch for.

As opposed to 100 links that he describes as being almost in defiance of his own sensibilities, but for those incessant voices in his mind demanding he post immediately with no regard to the conversations taking place.

Joe Biden’s shoes.

Razey
Razey
May 31, 2023 7:17 pm

Yakov Rabkin: I left the USSR to enjoy free speech in the West. Fifty years later, it no longer exists
Fifty years ago I left the Soviet Union for one reason: My desire for freedom. I was disgusted by the one-sided world view fostered by the banning of foreign publications and the jamming of Western radio stations. The obedient media, toeing the party line, repulsed me and made me laugh.

https://www.rt.com/news/577194-free-speech-in-the-west/

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 7:18 pm

“But there’s a fairly strong link between older dads and autism.”

Yes, and other genetic mutations are not uncommon among older fathers. Here’s a famous genetic mutation. Many years ago I read a book on the “royal disease” haemophilia which Victoria passed down to her descendants through several (though not all) of her children. The disease remains in some European royal families. For years historians and medical doctors were bewildered and perplexed as to how Victoria inherited the disease to transmit. Did she inherit the disease from her mother, a German princess? Well no, despite historians scouring historical records, there is no record of any haemophilia in Victoria’s mother’s family (and royal records are good primary sources). Also, her mother had two older children from a previous marriage. Victoria’s elder half brother did not suffer from haemophilia and none of his descendants had or have the disease and her elder half-sister did not pass on haemophilia to any of her descendants. So, where did the disease come from? Was Victoria illegitimate? Very, very unlikely, she was the spitting image of her father, the Duke of Kent, a son of King George III, and she was a true Hanoverian in all respects, physically, emotionally and mentally. But here’s the thing, Victoria’s father was fifty-two years old when Victoria was conceived, and scientists, doctors and historians now believe that a genetic mutation happened at her conception, probably due to the fact that the Duke of Kent was over fifty years old. And that tragic genetic mutation led to the collapse of the German, Spanish and Russian royal families. Anyway, a little history lesson!

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 31, 2023 7:22 pm

My grandmother’s father had her when he was in his 70s and she was a very fine woman in every aspect.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 7:23 pm

I must own that i am parodying the copious but I’ll-digested excretions of another poster whom, if he were restricted to 5 posts per day, would probably post 5 gems that he would vouch for.

Righty-ho then! That’s about 1/3 of the forum accounted for.

Might I just note that I think you assumed someone’s pronouns just there? Given I was guilty of assuming yours once upon a time…

I’ll just toddle off back to lurking, I think.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 7:24 pm

My grandmother’s father had her when he was in his 70s and she was a very fine woman in every aspect.

Errm, phrasing?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 7:26 pm

Chrisso got

Ed. Ed October.

Your familiar, matey references to convicted murderers and sexual offenders is telling.

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 7:28 pm

“Italians in WW1 fought as well as anyone, but were let down by appalling leadership in Caporetto (Gens. Cadorna, Diaz etc..).”

Yes they did. They were brave men. The Alpini corps were infantry of the Italian Army, and they distinguished themselves in World War I fighting in the Alps against Austro-Hungarian and German armies.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/most-treacherous-battle-world-war-i-italian-mountains-180959076/

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 7:28 pm

Britney channeling her inner Sir Ian McKellen

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 7:29 pm

US issued war crime warning over SAS troops
Defence chief drops senate bombshell, revealing the US government warned allegations of war crimes against Australian soldiers could prevent the country’s armed forces working toge…

Interesting.
Very seperate to the BRS alleged incident & the other earlier reporting (including the SAS chap beating 3 Afghanis to death with a hammer, ridiculous), about 12 months ago Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate & Max Blumenthal all were speaking about the Australian SAS & their involvement over a 12-18 month period in a CIA project in a opium turf war in some Afghan province.
They clearly all had the same source.
They were saying the US DoD thought the CIA strategy was so hair brained they refused to let the usual US special forces participate.
But somehow they convinced the Australian bigwigs to give them the SAS.
They claimed their sources said the SAS got caught up in a pretty ripe situation & that there was evidence of multiple civilian deaths.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 7:30 pm

Errm, phrasing?

That’s the least of the problems here.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 7:31 pm

Might I just note that I think you assumed someone’s pronouns just there?

Are you assuming someone’s spelling?

FWIW, I took the name Mother Lode while at Bolta’s and there was an obnoxious troll calling himself ‘Nugget’.

Since then I have been a man trapped in a woman’s screen name.

No one knows my suffering.

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:31 pm

Righty-ho then! That’s about 1/3 of the forum accounted for.

Most of us know who he’s referring to.

calli
calli
May 31, 2023 7:31 pm

Don’t do that MfM. Commenting is much more fun than lurking.

Also, interesting speculation about Queen Vic, Cassie. I’ll have to look it up. Always a problem in very closed communities, and royalty would have to be the most closed of all.

Zipster
Zipster
May 31, 2023 7:33 pm
Bons
May 31, 2023 7:33 pm

Off to the frozen wastes of the South to spend some time with the Grand Kids (Grand Boys).
An exciting prospect if only their Mum and Dad accepted that the Grandparents are fully qualified in standing around frozen sportsfields and do not require retraining.
We just want to have fun with the boys.

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 7:33 pm

love the casual racism that Italians do so well.

not long ago I sat across the table from JC and he looked at me in earnest expectation and he says “so I hear you’re Italian?”

replied, “nah, the Italian Old man was my step-father. My bio-dad was not. In fact I’m all Anglo … as far as I know”

I wouldn’t say he was crest-fallen.
he more or less looked like a dog that you’d been trying to explain yr tax position to.

looked into the distance, licked his balls, chased a flea … changed the subject

no offense Gilas, I’m all for celebrating all things Italian and you’re right about copping shit.

it’s just that in my family, that went both ways

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:34 pm

FWIW, I took the name Mother Lode while at Bolta’s and there was an obnoxious troll calling himself ‘Nugget’.

Ah…I’ve sometimes wondered about that, ML.

Now my mind is at rest.

😀

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 7:36 pm

It was odd how three top tier journo’s all discussed it around the same point in time & then dropped it.
The story of a CIA backed narco scheme getting outsourced to the SAS should have had more coverage if any of it could be verified.

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 7:39 pm

Garlic !!!!

Australian garlic variety can limit internal spread of COVID and influenza A, Doherty Institute finds

Dan Andrews conflicted.
wants to implement garlic vaccines for everybody to squash Covid
… also worries that it may also have a broad effect on vampires

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 7:40 pm

Also, the bigger story would be the Australian big wigs agreeing to send the SAS chaps into a CIA scheme.
The very big wigs who now are backing the stripping the SAS of their medals & acting holier-than-thou.

calli
calli
May 31, 2023 7:40 pm

We’re all Italian when it comes to dessert.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 7:45 pm

Most of us know who he’s referring to.

We may think we know to whom he’s referring, but can we ever be certain?

ML is ever-inscrutable, as evidenced by his moniker. And his spelling. And his suffering.

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:46 pm

The ’70s was indeed the turning point; what had been under the counter in the ’60s was by the end of the ’70s in your face whenever you entered the shop.

I suspect Whitlam is to blame.

Now that the chickens have come home to roost in terms of the boundless sexual objectification of women for male gratification, the prog-left isn’t so happy about it.

Good luck unscrambling that egg.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 7:47 pm

I love Senate Estimates but the chances of them getting to the bottom of a CIA and SAS matter is somewhere between zero and nil. I don’t think even picked up the Biggles/Kernot thing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 7:48 pm

JC at 5:58

LOL. There appear to be quite a few residing here who refer to themselves as engineers now. One’s claims the title of aeronautical engineer and former astronaut. 

Please don’t be dismissive of graduates of the Allan Quay School of Engineering.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 7:50 pm

I suspect Whitlam is to blame.

Correlation is not causation.

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:50 pm

We’re all Italian when it comes to dessert.

I thought the Greeks invented cheesecake?

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:51 pm

Correlation is not causation.

No, but if I were a betting man I’d put good money on it.

Roger
Roger
May 31, 2023 7:52 pm

I’ve merited a zeroing!

My work here is done.

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 7:55 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 31, 2023 at 7:33 pm

love the casual racism that Italians do so well.

… World class experts, one and all.

it’s just that in my family, that went both ways

Just as it should.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 7:56 pm

Silly me thought that Hawforn’s racism shit was done. FMD:

Hawthorn could be stripped of draft picks and fined over its handling of its racism investigation with the AFL weighing up whether to charge the club for bringing the game into disrepute.

As the AFL terminated the independent investigation without laying charges against Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan or Jason Burt the league also dropped a potential bomb on the Hawks.

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said the club’s failure to give Clarkson, Fagan and Burt a right of reply would form the basis of a potential charge.

“The process whereby allegations were aired without anybody having the ability to respond to them has provided an environment where there has been many parties – complainants and the defendants – put in a hugely vulnerable situation, and it’s had an impact across the industry for all First Nations people and others,” McLachlan said.

“I think that’s something that needs to be contemplated.”

The loss of draft picks would be disastrous for Hawthorn’s rebuild under coach Sam Mitchell, with the club’s first pick currently No.3.

Former Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett declared there was no basis for the Hawks to be punished by the AFL for undertaking its cultural review.

On Wednesday morning Kennett wrote to all AFL Commissioners. He has offered to make himself available to plead for Hawthorn’s innocence and has asked for a swift resolution.

“I am profoundly disappointed at the comments by the AFL CEO tonight that they are contemplating taking action against the Hawthorn Football Club,” Kennett told the Herald Sun on Tuesday night.

“What Hawthorn did in trying to establish whether racial discrimination was widespread in the club was absolutely the correct thing to do.”

Kennett said the club was not responsible for the devastating leak of the report to the ABC in Grand Final week last year.

“That was the trigger that caused the firestorm and the attack on the reputations of the three who stood accused,” he said.

McLachlan said the decision whether to charge Hawthorn would be made by the AFL’s “general counsel (Stephen Meade) and or the Commission”.

Under rule 1.6 the Hawks could be charged with engaging in conduct that is “unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the Australian Football League or to bring the game of football into disrepute”.

In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

The Binmada review was commissioned by the Hawks board in April last year after favourite son Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn made claims of racial incidents at the club.

“Gillon McLachlan can’t have his cake and eat it,” Kennett said.

“He can’t on the one hand say it was wrong to find out whether the allegations of the Riolis were widespread or not – and then on finding that there was no substance against any of the three Hawthorn officials – he can’t then say that the club has done anything but the right thing in the interests of a safe workplace.

“We did what any employer would do when something is brought to their attention. We tried to find out whether it was widespread or just isolated. We got the stories, a number of startling, disappointing responses – they have now been investigated and (it was) found that those stories had no substance.”

Kennett said he “trusted” that the current Hawthorn board would have “the courage to actually defend the actions it has taken” and will “argue the case very strongly”.

So independent review doesn’t come up with the required AFL answers, so will intervene themselves. Spew worthy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 7:56 pm

ML is ever-inscrutable, as evidenced by his moniker. And his spelling. And his suffering.

Reference to the travails of childbirth have been a truly confusing ordeal for me.

I started at Blair’s as Toiling Mass then Aqualung at Bolta’s. I assume the connection is obvious. But, to avoid accusations of sock puppetry and whatnot, I coalesced into the conceptual crossdresser you see before you even today.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 31, 2023 7:58 pm

This is the real problem you’ve got, Joffa.
No, not your keen interest in Homoerotic Sporting activities, but the fact that you’re an absolute, First Class CUCK.

Chrisso was interested in marrying this witch, he did marry her, it wasn’t a shotgun wedding, so what’s your problem?
Apart from being a Cuck?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 7:59 pm

I’ve merited a zeroing!

Meh. Playing catchup.

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 8:00 pm

Hey, I’ve got a zero!
When’s the Graduation ceremony?

cohenite
May 31, 2023 8:01 pm

That’s a very strange post crotchless. Are you off your meds?

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 8:01 pm

Just as it should

gotta say, at times it was pretty bloody funny

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 8:01 pm

Who’s upset Groogs this time? That’s my job.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 8:02 pm

Hey, I’ve got a zero!
When’s the Graduation ceremony?

#MeToo

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 8:02 pm

Pizzing down here, in the Avon Valley, and extending all the way through into the Wheatbelt!

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 8:03 pm

Ah, nevermind.

WesternDecliner
May 31, 2023 8:03 pm

Drinking Bundy and coke is almost a revolutionary act these days. Whatever happened to the land of larrikins and lager drinkers?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 8:04 pm

M Lode at 7:17.
Quite so.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:04 pm

Chrisso was interested in marrying this witch

Hi Ed.

Have another Marsala and Coke. It seems to be doing you good.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 8:04 pm

I’ve merited a zeroing!

My work here is done.

You have infuriated someone who cannot formulate an answer as to how you might be wrong.

And extra shot of whatever you have before bedtime is your earned right tonight.

And may I suggest Brahms’ first Piano Concerto 2nd Movement as an accompaniment?

Like the first movement he makes you wait and wait and wait for the actual piano. Brilliant.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 31, 2023 8:05 pm

Playboy was mainstream in the seventies.

Indeed. I have the first Oz edition, and the first Penthouse published in Oz too. In mint condition.

Do I hear $500? Going once…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:05 pm

BQF.

Blockquote Fail.

This time, my excuse is watching the Welcome to Country for SOO in Radelaide.

WesternDecliner
May 31, 2023 8:05 pm

Get the feelings, woh oh oh , that decade harry is not in it these days

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 8:07 pm

Go Moira…

Moira Deeming: Expelled MP issues second defamation notice against embattled Liberal leader John Pesutto
By RACHEL BAXENDALE

Expelled Liberal MP Moira Deeming has served a second defamation concerns notice on John Pesutto, seeking substantial and aggravated damages and alleging the Victorian Opposition Leader accused her of being a “Nazi sympathiser and Nazi associate”, and used that as a basis to “threaten and bully” her out of the parliamentary party.

Mr Pesutto was served with the documents on Wednesday morning, hours after being blindsided by the resignation of Deeming ally Ryan Smith, which is set to spark a by-election in the outer eastern Melbourne seat of Warrandyte.

The 16-page notice, written by leading defamation lawyer Patrick George on Mrs Deeming’s behalf, serves as a stand-alone case, separate and in addition to the notice with which Mrs Deeming issued Mr Pesutto earlier this month, with the first case due to be filed in the Federal Court on June 8.

The latest notice accuses the Liberal leadership team of stationing a male staffer outside Ms Deeming’s office with the intention of intimidating her and sympathetic MPs, includes numerous public comments Mr Pesutto made surrounding Mrs Deeming’s expulsion from the parliamentary party on May 12, and cites a statement issued last week by the UN’s special rapporteur on violence against women and girls.

It spans events dating back to Mr Pesutto’s initial botched attempt to expel Mrs Deeming following her attendance at a March 18 “Let Women Speak” rally, which was gatecrashed by neo-Nazis.

“On and from 19 March 2023, Mr Pesutto … publicly accused Mrs Deeming, a fellow member of parliament from the same party, of being a Nazi sympathiser and Nazi associate, amongst other things, in the media, and on that basis threatened and bullied her with expulsion from the parliamentary Liberal Party,” Mr George wrote in the latest concerns notice.

“Mr Pesutto’s accusations were false and seriously defamatory of Mrs Deeming personally and professionally and have caused serious harm to her reputation. She is entitled to substantial damages as a result.

“Mrs Deeming is also entitled to aggravated damages based on Mr Pesutto’s conduct (set out below) which was lacking in good faith, improper and/or unjustifiable, and significantly increased the harm Mrs Deeming has suffered.”

The Australian can reveal that in addition to Mr George, Mrs Deeming is being represented by high profile defamation barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC, who has previously acted for former Attorney-General Christian Porter and journalist Lisa Wilkinson.

In turn Mr Pesutto has engaged veteran media lawyer and Minter Ellison partner Peter Bartlett, as well as KC Matt Collins, who has previously acted for columnist Andrew Bolt and actor Rebel Wilson.

The March 18 rally was organised by British activist Kellie-Jay Keen’s group, Standing for Women UK, which campaigns against what its supporters see as the infringement of transgender rights upon those of women and children.

Transgender rights activists held a counter-protest, and a third group, of masked men dressed in black, joined the fray and performed the Nazi salute on the steps of state parliament.

In the days that followed, Mr Pesutto gave notice to the state Liberal party room that he intended to move an expulsion motion against Ms Deeming, and circulated a 15-page dossier of social media screenshots and media reports — mostly relating to Ms Keen — accusing the MP of “organising, promoting and participating in a rally with speakers and other organisers who themselves have been publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists.”

The concerns notice alleges Mr Pesutto distributed the dossier to MPs and the media “with the knowledge and intention that the matters of which he and the leadership team had accused (Mrs Deeming) would seriously damage Mrs Deeming’s reputation not only within the parliamentary party but also outside in the electorate and the world at large, and hold her up to vilification, contempt, abuse and ridicule, and mislead the public into believing that the expulsion was justified.”

“The media and public condemnation of her snowballed with wider condemnation of her from many quarters. Mr Pesutto is now liable for the damage that his improper tortious conduct has caused,” the notice states.

It also alleges that in the days following the publication of the first expulsion motion, a staffer from deputy Liberal leader David Southwick’s office “sat outside Mrs Deeming’s office in what she (and others) considered was a transparent attempt to intimidate her but also to record and intimidate any members who went to visit her in the lead-up to the determination of the first motion.”

“Mrs Deeming understands that the conduct of these persons was at the direction of Mr Pesutto,” her lawyers allege.

The concerns notice details the heated March party room meeting to decide on the first expulsion motion, and an ongoing disagreement between Mrs Deeming and Mr Pesutto regarding the minutes of the meeting and an undertaking Mrs Deeming believes Mr Pesutto made to publicly exonerate her of his earlier claims linking her to Nazis.

It accuses the Liberal leadership team of issuing a statement on Mrs Deeming’s behalf in the aftermath of the first expulsion attempt, in conduct her lawyers describe as “seriously concerning, particularly by the release of a statement in Mrs Deeming’s name without her consent, in order to mislead and deceive the Australian public.”

Ms Deeming’s lawyers also accuse Liberal frontbencher James Newbury of “acting under the direction and/or approval of Mr Pesutto” in moving the second motion to expel Mrs Deeming at a May 12 meeting and state that she received no response to two requests to explain the grounds for her expulsion for “bringing the party into disrepute”.

“After the 12 May Meeting, Mr Pesutto deliberately misrepresented the reasons for Mrs Deeming’s expulsion,” Mrs Deeming’s lawyers state.

“He claimed, falsely, that it was based on Mrs Deeming’s threat to sue him for defamation in a concerns notice. However, the concerns notice was served on Mr Pesutto on 11 May 2023 and could not possibly have been the basis for the second motion which was issued on 6 May 2023.”

Mrs Deeming had made repeated public threats to engage lawyers prior to May 6.

“Moreover, Mr Pesutto told members at the 12 May Meeting that Mrs Deeming’s concerns notice had threatened to sue all of the members individually,” Mrs Deeming’s lawyers allege.

“This was also false and he must have known it was false. One of the members asked to see the concerns notice to understand the risk to members. Mr Pesutto refused to table it, presumably because its content would plainly contradict his lie to members.”

Mrs Deeming’s lawyers cite subsequent comments to the media by Mr Newbury, including “You cannot sue your boss and expect to keep your job” and “Suing your party and your leader is a gross act of betrayal”, which they claim “were made at the behest of, or with the approval of, Mr Pesutto.”

“Mrs Deeming considered these comments patronising, paternalistic, and misogynistic. They totally ignored the circumstances described in this correspondence, namely the series of dishonest, unjustified, unlawful and improper acts engaged in by Mr Pesutto,” the concerns notice states.

“The comments were also embarrassingly ignorant of the law, namely that ‘bosses’ who threaten and bully employees can expect not only to be sued but to lose their jobs for workplace misconduct.

“The law protects employees’ rights, particularly the rights of women, who have no alternative other than to make a complaint about, or to sue, their boss for workplace misconduct (such as publicly abusing them and defaming them and calling them a Nazi sympathiser).

“A threat to sue a boss is no longer grounds for dismissal. Retaliation against a person for complaining about the way they have been treated at work is victimisation and amounts to an unlawful adverse action.”

Mrs Deeming’s lawyers argue that she has “suffered terribly as a result of Mr Pesutto’s unlawful defamation of her reputation”, that she has been “extremely humiliated, abused, vilified, and demonised in the public eye, and that her “suffering has drawn the attention and condemnation of an expert at the United Nations.”

“On 22 May 2023, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls issued a statement expressing concern about the threats and intimidation against women expressing their opinions on sex and sexual orientation,” the concerns notice states.

“The UN expert said that discrimination on this basis was prohibited in international and regional human rights law. She said ‘I am disturbed by the frequent tactic of smear campaigns against women…Branding them “Nazis”..or “extremists”…Of particular concern are the various forms of reprisals…In some cases, women politicians are sanctioned by their political parties, including through the threat of dismissal or actual dismissal’.”

The concerns notice also makes reference to several ABC TV interviews given by Mr Pesutto, arguing they caused serious harm to Mrs Deeming’s reputation and perpetuated false imputations.

Mrs Deeming’s lawyers have sought an order that Mr Pesutto never repeat the defamatory statements they accuse him of making, that he remove from every Liberal Party platform the statement to which she claims she never consented, and that he issue a signed, dated, public apology stating that he “made false and defamatory allegations about Moira Deeming concerning her attendance at the ‘Let Women Speak’ event on 18 March 2023.”

They request that Mr Pesutto publish the apology for a period of 14 days in a prominent position on his website and all social media accounts, and that he pay Mrs Deeming “her reasonable legal costs in pursuing this matter.”

“We note that your client has 28 days to offer to make amends under the Act. However, noting the ongoing harm to our client, and the period of time that has already passed, the offer in this letter is open for 7 days from the date of the letter,” the concerns notice states.

“We look forward to your prompt response, noting that we have briefed senior counsel on Mrs Deeming’s behalf to commence the preparation of the pleadings to be filed upon the expiry of the statutory period if a satisfactory resolution cannot be reached between the parties.”

Mr Pesutto’s office, Mr Southwick and Mr Newbury all declined to comment.”

Good, Moira’s upping the ante. All Persecutto had to do was apologise to Deeming for insinuating she’s a Nazi. I hope the Victorian Liberals lose the seat of Warrandyte.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:09 pm

Chrisso was interested in marrying this witch, he did marry her, it wasn’t a shotgun wedding, so what’s your problem?

He killed his wife.

Speaking as an engineer, that’s terrible.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 8:10 pm

What wine do you serve for SOO? Presumably not Rose.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 31, 2023 8:10 pm

Brittany Higgins secured ‘up to $3million’ for her alleged ordeal. Now insiders are wondering why the man at the centre of another sex scandal involving a turncoat Labor Speaker ended up with zero from taxpayers… and a $4.5 million in debt

Daily Mail

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 8:12 pm

Sorry, I meant to include a link.

Brahms Piano Concerto Nr.1, 2nd Movement.

(I went with the German convention of Nr rather than No because…it looks kind of cool if you are used to the English style.)

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 8:12 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 8:15 pm

Listen up Googlery.
Paul Dawson is alive.
Ricky Slater is dead. Really, really dead.
Ben Batterham still has his $1 meg payout.
Chris is in the slot for good. No amount of appealin’ is gettin’ him out.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:15 pm

What wine do you serve for SOO?

Phil Gould Shiraz. Heavy, and good with red meat.

Anyone drinking rose is directed to the nearest soccer paddock.

local oaf
May 31, 2023 8:15 pm

Dan Andrews conflicted.

Big Garlic might be a threat to Dan’s mates at Murderna.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 31, 2023 8:16 pm

Where’s the money for Deeming to engage Sue Chrysanthou coming from?

Is she a secret Millionaire, or is there more to the story?

Razey
Razey
May 31, 2023 8:16 pm

Hunchback will mandate garlic injections to keep your job.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 8:20 pm

Rockdoctor, if you’re out there, any updates re the whistleblower in the iCook case?

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 31, 2023 8:20 pm

The real opposition leader in Vicco is Avi Yemini

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 8:21 pm

Shorter AFL Statement re : Hawks..

1. You bloody idiots hired a racial grifter to “investigate”. What did you actually expect?
2. You then leaked the bollocks which ensued because you wanted to cosy up to Robbo/Caro/whomever. (Please note for future reference : all virtue signalling will be done by the AFL, not by clubs).

=== and, most damningly ===

3. You held an enquiry when you did not know the result, thus landing us all in a PR nightmare. . Sir Humphrey is not amused. The Licensing Centre in Toxteth is probably too good for you.

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 8:23 pm

Big Garlic

we really need a regulatory response from Govt to make sure that effective treatments reach those most in need

Garlic Foccacia needs a star-rating system to prevent abuse

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 31, 2023 8:23 pm

Now insiders are wondering why the man at the centre of another sex scandal involving a turncoat Labor Speaker ended up with zero from taxpayers… and a $4.5 million in debt

Gee, that’s a toughie.
Would it have anything to do with his failing to prove his case in Court and having to pay costs for his folly?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:25 pm

Where’s the money for Deeming to engage Sue Chrysanthou coming from?
Is she a secret Millionaire, or is there more to the story?

Hang on. Are you leaving ‘Chrisso’ to his fate now?

In any event, and again speaking as an engineer, I’ll help you out:

Joe Burns is paying the bills.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 31, 2023 8:27 pm

Joe Burns is paying the bills.

Is “paying the bills” some neologism for “feeding the slips”?

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 8:31 pm

“There have been suggestions that Dawson may have had an accomplice, at least after the murder.”

Without a doubt. And it isn’t rocket science to guess who that accomplice might be.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 8:32 pm

Wine?

I had a Nebbiolo d’Alba tonight. With a local Pizza.

Not a top line wine like a Barolo, or a softer Barbaresco, but…well, did I mention local? And Pizza?

But the darker fruit and tannins were a heavenly match.

I heartily recommend Italian wines for Italian foods. I think as a nation we are beyond Chianti, and even Sangiovese. You can Google search in Dan Murphys, and the quality of wine is twice that of Australian wine – they sell for $20 what we sell for $40 for Australian: Italians see their wine as a cultural achievement while our government sees every success as demanding new taxes.

Just satyn’ if you are having a cheap pizza night, score a cheap Italian from Dan’s. you will be surprised.

And, oh Lord, less sulphides.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 8:33 pm

Yes they did. They were brave men. The Alpini corps were infantry of the Italian Army, and they distinguished themselves in World War I fighting in the Alps against Austro-Hungarian and German armies.

My grandfather, who I never met, fought in the Alps and then Caporetto. My father, say that he was a though bloke, but when the war came up never wanted to talk about it and cried about what he did. He apparently killed an Austrian kid who was also about 18 or so in a bayonet charge. He lived the rest of his life with that guilt. Carporetto was a human slaughterhouse.

Delta A
Delta A
May 31, 2023 8:33 pm

A twenty-fold increase since women have been indoctrinated to focus on their careers!

No, a twenty-fold increase since diagnostic procedures have been trashed, to the point where a teacher aide’s feels are seriously considered by NDIS.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 31, 2023 8:33 pm

Is “paying the bills” some neologism for “feeding the slips”?

Nah, Joffa is larping as Marlene Dietrich in Witness for the Prosecution.

Crossie
Crossie
May 31, 2023 8:38 pm

feelthebern says:
May 31, 2023 at 7:36 pm
It was odd how three top tier journo’s all discussed it around the same point in time & then dropped it.
The story of a CIA backed narco scheme getting outsourced to the SAS should have had more coverage if any of it could be verified.

Exactly. Who in their right mind would believe anything the CIA claimed? They completely destroyed in the last six years any credibility they may have had.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 8:39 pm

Marlene Dietrich

Widely known among the Marsala set as ‘Marlo’.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 8:39 pm

Trans, I wasn’t crestfallen about your background. I really couldn’t give a shit about you as you’re kind of dull and boring. I may have looked confused because you once mentioned your father was of Italian descent which you subsequently change to stepfather. I was trying to make conversation.

Nice to see where now bringing up private shit. You’re quite short and do you still have that long disgusting beard that falls into a glass of beer? What are you hiding? Oh, I know.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 8:40 pm

I used to go to the Marlo in Newtown in the first half of the 90’s.

Probably could not afford a parking space now.

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 8:44 pm

“My grandfather, who I never met, fought in the Alps and then Caporetto. My father, say that he was a though bloke, but when the war came up never wanted to talk about it and cried about what he did. He apparently killed an Austrian kid who was also about 18 or so in a bayonet charge. He lived the rest of his life with that guilt. Carporetto was a human slaughterhouse.”

Yes. And those men who survived the slaughter went home and had families, but they were never ever the same.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 8:45 pm

Black Ball earlier.

In 2013 the AFL kicked Essendon out of finals, fined the club $2 million and stripped the club of early draft picks in the next two drafts under that rule.

Listening to it today I heard that no rules had been broken by Hawforn but the AFL would likely go down the “bringing the game into disrepute” path.
The parallels with the Essendon saga struck me.
Remember the Essendon players were accused of taking “banned peptide AOD-9604”?
Then Essendon captain Jobe Watson confirmed that he had taken AOD-9604.
Gasp!
It was a gotcha moment.
Except it wasn’t.
After a couple of days of outrage, something strange happened. AOD-9604 went from being referred to as “banned” to being “problematic” and “controversial”.
Which was an oblique confirmation that it wasn’t banned.
No matter.
It should have been banned so let’s just proceed as if it was.
And here we are again.
Hawforn find themselves in a situation where they appear not to have breached any actual rules, but the AFL have unleashed a media shit-storm and somebody will have to pay.

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 8:45 pm

I have a zero tick!

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 8:47 pm

Mother Lode says:
May 31, 2023 at 8:12 pm

Sorry, I meant to include a link.

Brahms Piano Concerto Nr.1, 2nd Movement.

Leon Fleischer showing signs of R finger sp@sticity, which led to his retirement from public concerts.

calli
calli
May 31, 2023 8:53 pm

Shhhhh, Cassie! Everyone will want one.

Why is SOO being played in Adelaide? Does it transmogrify into S-O-O in that case?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 8:53 pm

Just satyn’ if you are having a cheap pizza night, score a cheap Italian from Dan’s. you will be surprised.

And, oh Lord, less sulphides.

Quite so.
We call it “pizza wine” for that purpose.
And, yes, the loading up of Australian wines with sulphides causes 93.1% of hangover pain.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 8:54 pm

Hawforn investigation behind the scenes

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 31, 2023 8:56 pm

Normally, I’d confess to a liking for XXXX with a Bundy chaser before admitting I watched Ch9 – but State of Origin.

I now know there’s a fresh horror on the horizon.

A Ch9 mini-series: ‘Warnie’: with some fat, dyed blond imbecile playing one of Australia’s premier sports personages. Obviously concentrated on shagging, rather than spin bowling.

Farcough.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 8:57 pm

Gilas

Can I ask you something. I have kid and she lives in NYC. She was complaining to her mother about constant leg pain, throbbing and pins and needles. She’s seen a vascular specialist who ordered and MRI and they found a blockage around her groin region. He recommended stenting. Should I be worried?

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 8:58 pm

Top Ender says:
May 31, 2023 at 8:05 pm

Playboy was mainstream in the seventies.

Indeed. I have the first Oz edition

Ahh.. Karen Pini.. Who could forget?

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 9:01 pm

I just heard it today.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 9:01 pm

Gilas and JC.
I think your accusations of racism against Italians are off the mark.
It goes like this.
I can say anything I like as long as I am careful to characterise it as based on “culture” rather than “race”.
Example:-
“Italians are cowardly scaredy-cats” is racist.
“The Italian culture is one where the trait of cowardice is dominant” is not racist.
Easy.

Hi Nurse Betty.
Or Bobby.

calli
calli
May 31, 2023 9:01 pm


Here’s
Karen causing mahem.

When Aussie comedy was funny…and decorative.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 31, 2023 9:03 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
May 31, 2023 at 8:44 pm
“My grandfather, who I never met, fought in the Alps and then Caporetto. My father, say that he was a though bloke, but when the war came up never wanted to talk about it and cried about what he did. He apparently killed an Austrian kid who was also about 18 or so in a bayonet charge. He lived the rest of his life with that guilt. Carporetto was a human slaughterhouse.”

Yes. And those men who survived the slaughter went home and had families, but they were never ever the same.

In the First World War, the Italian Army had the ghastly custom, after an unsuccessful attack, of selecting by lot a percentage of the surviving attackers, and shooting them.

calli
calli
May 31, 2023 9:05 pm

Yay! I’m special!

Thanks you strange and oddly disturbing fan.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 9:06 pm

Disturbing medical news. Naturally, it’s from Quenthland (the Courier-Mail):

Men should pee sitting down because it’s more hygienic and better for their bladder health, a top urologist has revealed.

This ‘top urologist’ is from England, so take it with a grain of salt if you like. The soap-dodging doc spoke after a world wide survey of pissing practices was released:

Interestingly, 25 per cent of Aussie blokes said they sit down to pee every time they go to the bathroom

What? I’ve seriously never heard of this. mUntler! Get in here!

The nation who had the highest number of men “always” sitting down to empty their bladders was Germany

Of course it’s Germany. But:

In Germany, sitting down while taking a tinkle has traditionally been derided among men and there’s even a derogatory term for the practice.

“Sitzpinkler” is a slur for someone who sits down to wee, implying they are “wimpy or effeminate.

Sitzpinkler. Stolen. Stolen. Stolen.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 9:07 pm

Sanchez , yeah, pretty much.

Dat Indian stole mi petrol

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 9:09 pm

And, yes, the loading up of Australian wines with sulphides causes 93.1% of hangover pain.

Other wines may have the heft to cover much of it, but Australian Gamay compared to French is pitiable

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 9:10 pm

JC says:
May 31, 2023 at 8:57 pm

I have kid and she lives in NYC. She was complaining to her mother about constant leg pain, throbbing and pins and needles. She’s seen a vascular specialist who ordered and MRI and they found a blockage around her groin region. He recommended stenting. Should I be worried?

Hard to say.
Sounds like a localised, incomplete vascular blockage. Causes may include an intravascular thrombosis (unlikely to be an embolism), or extravascular pressure from a mass lesion (lymph node enlargement most commonly), which could also affect the local (femoral) nerve, which would explain the pins and needles.
Both pathologies are treatable, by different modalities and implying different prognoses.
To comment properly, more information is needed.. MRI plus a Doppler ultrasound or angiogram.

PS. Stenting implies an irreversible block. Highly unusual in the young female age group.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 9:10 pm

A Ch9 mini-series: ‘Warnie’: with some fat, dyed blond imbecile playing one of Australia’s premier sports personages

Quite some years ago, there was a mini-series on the picture wireless titled ‘Bradman’.

Bradman was played by Gary Sweet, who very, very clearly – and judging by the footage of ‘Bradman’ in action during this televisual feast – could not bat for shit.

Terrible. Just terrible.

Muddy
Muddy
May 31, 2023 9:11 pm

Bundy

Beenleigh is better.
Overproof.
I think gubbermunt tax is about 130% on grog now?

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 9:12 pm

Thanks Gilas. Charge it up to medicare. 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 9:17 pm

I think gubbermunt tax is about 130% on grog now?

The latest Please Explain clip explains this nicely.

Barry
Barry
May 31, 2023 9:18 pm

The AFL vs. Hawthorne Football Club is the model for the rest of Australia post-Voice.

Endless abo complaints, whispering campaigns, denial of natural justice, kowtowing, punishment by process, exile, career suicide.

Why on earth would you ever employ one?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 9:19 pm

Quite some years ago, there was a mini-series on the picture wireless titled ‘Bradman’.

Harold Larwood – the villain of that series – migrated to Australia after World War Two. When that series was shown, some fvcking heroes made abusive phone calls to him, and sent abusive letters…

Frank
Frank
May 31, 2023 9:20 pm

Always a problem in very closed communities, and royalty would have to be the most closed of all.

A “YouTube historian” that likes to measure the amount of inbreeding in royal lines applies the microscope to King Charles. He has a consanguinity coefficient of 0.09 to 0.13 or thereabouts, not good but not as bad as the Hapsburgs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O08SsuaHMjk

Turns out Chuck is pretty inbred.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 9:22 pm

Speaking of Orstrayen mini series:

And in a twist, the David Brent/Michael Scott office manager will be a woman named Hannah Howard, to be played by Felicity Ward, an Australian comedian and actor who has appeared on Wakefield, The Inbetweeners, Spicks and Specks and Thank God You’re Here, as well as on the comedy circuit.

FMD straight to Beta.

Gilas
Gilas
May 31, 2023 9:27 pm

Muddy says:
May 31, 2023 at 9:11 pm

I think gubbermunt tax is about 130% on grog now?

Around 70%, on ethanols purchased with after-tax $$.
So, if on a 45+2% marginal tax rate, one has to earn $100 to buy grog worth $16.
Government caring for us.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 9:27 pm

Men should pee sitting down because it’s more hygienic and better for their bladder health, a top urologist has revealed.

Actually I imagine we, as a species, evolved to piss standing up – male and female. Our bodies can direct waste away from it in that more alert watchful posture. Our fellow mammals are blissfully happy to micturate in such casual fashion. Squatting for defecation is the compromise shared by the rest of Mammalia.

Note that one urologist from one country is reported as if a significant credible opinion has been delivered, rather than the ravings of someone at odds with the rest of the profession.

I think he may be a Sitzpinklerfetischeter.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 9:31 pm

Sitzpinklerfetischeter

Sitzpinklerfetischister

How is it that Auro-corrupt corrects made up words?

What a fuchwitzenwurdkrappenmeister.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 31, 2023 9:35 pm

I got a zero-tick.

From a zerotichsitzpinkler.

Frank
Frank
May 31, 2023 9:45 pm

Germans must be a pretty dark race if the sort of things they create words for is any guide.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 9:47 pm

Further Courier Mail news following on from Knuckle Dragger:

Opposition leader David Crisafulli’s decision to not support the Voice to Parliament is “beyond disappointing”, the state government says.

Following months of speculation about his position, Mr Crisafulli on Wednesday morning confirmed he would be voting no, just hours after the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum Bill passed the Lower House in Canberra.

It also followed Path to Treaty legislation passing unopposed in State Parliamant earlier this month.

Mr Crisafulli said he would not be campaigning on the Voice issue, but was concerned about a “level of risk” of enshrining it in the Constitution.

“I have made up my mind – I won’t be voting for a Voice to be enshrined in the Constitution,” he said.

“I said I would make my position clear when I had come to that decision.

“I won’t be campaigning on this – my focus is on Queensland.”

Mr Crisafulli’s position echoes that of federal LNP leader Peter Dutton, who has said he would also vote no in the referendum.

But is at odds with that of Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner, currently the most senior LNP politician on the Australian mainland.

Mr Crisafulli said there were two reasons he would not support the Voice.

“Having looked at the committee report, having looked at the Prime Minister’s contribution in Adelaide, I’m just not convinced that is the best mechanism to deliver the changes needed,” he said.

“I’m not convinced that the body in the way that it will be enshrined in the constitution, that there’s not a level of risk about its powers.

“I know there are varying views and I respect views across the board but I’m just not convinced that is the case.

“I don’t feel that a Voice that is legislated wouldn’t be able to achieve exactly the same thing as one that is enshrined in the constitution without that level of risk.”

Mr Crisafulli said he hoped the debate would be done with respect and decency.

The bill would now pass to the Senate, with a date for the referendum to be set for later this year.

The first Aboriginal woman to be elected to Queensland Parliament slammed Mr Crisafulli’s position as a “failure of leadership”.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Partnerships Minister and Treaty Minister Leeanne Enoch said the passing of the legislation in Canberra “gives us a chance to create history and address the injustices faced by First Nations people”.

“We now know that the Queensland LNP will play no constructive role in this history-making opportunity,” she said.

“David Crisafulli’s rejection of The Voice is yet another failure of leadership.

“This opposition is driven not by principle, but by fear of his backbench and fear of the far right of the LNP party machine.

“It’s now only a matter of time before David Crisafulli abandons his support for the Path to Treaty.”

And Health Minister Shannon Fentiman said Mr Crisafulli’s revelation during Reconciliation Week was “beyond disappointing”, given he had taken months to reveal his position on the referendum.

“To say he just wants to focus on better health outcomes completely undermines the significance of this point in time in our history,” she told reporters on Wednesday afternoon.

“How do you get better health outcomes for First Nations Queenslanders if you don’t invite them to sit at the table with you (and) to listen to them about how we can get better outcomes?

“As far as I’m aware, the LNP doesn’t have a policy on First Nations Health, they don’t have a policy about funding community-controlled First Nations health organisations and, as far as I’m aware, they’ve never even met with any of them.”

Ms Fentiman rubbished the Opposition Leader’s claim that he would prefer attention and resources were targeted towards improving lives for First Nations people by creating and adhering to key performance indicators.

“How do you think you get those outcomes in First Nations communities if you’re not listening to the voices of First Nations Queenslanders?” the Health Minister said. (do you listen with a head tilt darling?)

“The voice is an invitation for First Nations communities to discuss with the government the issues that affect them – like housing, like healthcare – why wouldn’t you invite them to have a seat at the table about those significant decisions that we make to get those better outcomes?”

Because you dumb mong, WE HAVE ENOUGH VOICES IN PARLIAMENT TO DO THAT! What is Linda Burney’s role? Or indeed every elected representative across the country? Think I am done with this shit.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 9:47 pm

The aussie dollar looks pitiful. 64.80 cents to the Greenback. Questions about Chinese commodity demand, higher than expected inflation coming out today, sent it through 65 cents. I think it’s heading to 58 cents by year end.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 9:47 pm

One of the worst Origin games ever.
Stop start, whistle happy ref.
Wally Lewis would be rolling in his grave.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 9:48 pm

Just so we understand, a lower Aussie suggests our net worth has fallen against the US.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 31, 2023 9:49 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 9:52 pm

Crazy isn’t JC.
The RBA is going to keep raising rates & domestic inflation is still not rolling over.
Where as the Fed is done & the US PPI & CPI has cratered.
But the AUD is still trending down against the USD.
Considering the interest rate trajectories, you’d expect the opposite.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 31, 2023 9:53 pm

One of the worst Origin games ever.
Stop start, whistle happy ref.
Wally Lewis would be rolling in his grave.

It’s not even finished yet, but yes. 100 per cent.

I hate to say this, but the Quenthland bloke that got sin binned for that extremely innocuous tackle was hard done by.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 9:54 pm

What is Linda Burney’s role?

Linda Burney lost all credibility when she repeated all the tired old malarkey about not being counted in the census, for the first ten years of her life. Why she was never held to account for misleading Parliament, in that manner, I don’t know.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 31, 2023 9:56 pm

feelthebernsays:

May 31, 2023 at 9:47 pm

One of the worst Origin games ever.
Stop start, whistle happy ref.
Wally Lewis would be rolling in his grave.

Is Wally dead?
Like Paul Dawson?

Crossie
Crossie
May 31, 2023 9:58 pm

After watching Joe Hildebrand on Paul Murray’s program I have decided he is a nasty piece of work. It’s either nasty or stupid and since he is not stupid or he wouldn’t be where he is then nasty it is. Bronwyn Bishop is very patient in putting him straight politely, something I would not be able to manage after listening to all the lies coming out of that man’s mouth. Take any issue and he is on the green or leftie side of it. Could it be in his contract with Sky that he has to be a stock leftie?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 10:02 pm

Manson family member should get parole, court rules
Keiran Southern
Wednesday May 31 2023, 12.01am BST, The Times
Law
United States
STAN LIM/LOS ANGELES DAILY NEWS/AP
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Leslie Van Houten, one of the followers of Charles Manson, should be released on parole after spending more than 50 years in prison for taking part in two murders, a California appeal court has ruled.

Van Houten, 73, was 19 when she and other members of the so-called Manson family broke into the Los Angeles home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca and stabbed them dozens of times in August 1969.

Those murders took place a night after Sharon Tate, the actress who was pregnant at the time, was murdered alongside four others at the home of the film director Roman Polanski, her husband, in a massacre directed by Manson. Van Houten has been recommended for parole five times since 2016 but Gavin Newsom, the California governor, has overruled the board and denied her release.

The second district court of appeal in Los Angeles has ruled two to one to reverse Newsom’s decision, saying there was “no evidence to support the governor’s conclusions” about Van Houten’s fitness for parole.

They added that Van Houten, who originally faced a death sentence, had “shown extraordinary rehabilitative efforts”.

Rob Bonta, the California attorney-general, could ask the state’s supreme court to block her release. Neither he nor Newsom has commented on the appeal court ruling. Nancy Tetreault, Van Houten’s attorney, said she expected Bonta to ask the state supreme court to review the lower court’s decision, a process that could take years. Manson died in 2017 having been denied parole 12 times.

cohenite
May 31, 2023 10:04 pm

Alan Moran’s latest summary of the stupidity of alarmism; in point form with links. I think the science has turned but as usual it will be years before the media and pollies catch up and by then we’ll be living in caves while our betters send out shooting parties for their amusement.

cohenite
May 31, 2023 10:05 pm

I hope you’re daughter is alright head prefect. Gilas is right; some follow up is necessary. Incidentally I thought Gilas was a chalkie.

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 10:07 pm

“Manson family member should get parole”

Does that mean Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, Woytek Frykowski, Steve Parent, and Leno and Rosemary LaBianca also get parole?

Pogria
Pogria
May 31, 2023 10:10 pm

KD,
the series was “Bodyline”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 10:10 pm

Listening to it today I heard that no rules had been broken by Hawforn but the AFL would likely go down the “bringing the game into disrepute” path.

An AFL “hamburger with the lot” when you have no “lot”. See also: loose battery.

cohenite
May 31, 2023 10:11 pm

“Manson family member should get parole”

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is great because it reimagines what should have happened to the bastard killers; here are the highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWr4YydkZi0

Pogria
Pogria
May 31, 2023 10:11 pm

Tomsays:
May 31, 2023 at 6:06 pm
As a treat last Friday night, I bought myself two cans of overproof Bundy and Coke. Haven’t had any for years.

I plan to buy a bottle of Bundy with the proceeds of my accumulated IGA frequent-shopper points in the next few weeks.

Bundy is one of only two spirits I love — the other being Chivas Regal. Bundy is one of Australia’s defining liquors. It’s banned in some pubs during live music nights because it turns bogans into animals.

Thankfully, it hasn’t yet been banned for home consumption. A secret pleasure.

Bundy is my fruit soak of choice when I make my Christmas cakes. mmmmmmmmmm 😀

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 10:16 pm

The Boys, series 3, episode 1 has the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 10:17 pm

Up there with the paper cut episode of Jackass.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 10:18 pm

cohenite says:
May 31, 2023 at 10:05 pm

I hope you’re daughter is alright head prefect. Gilas is right; some follow up is necessary. Incidentally I thought Gilas was a chalkie.

Thanks
I love her to death, but she does irrational stupid stuff at times that just exasperates us to no end. The procedure doesn’t worry me – at least in the short and medium term. What does worry me is that she was told she will need to be on blood thinners for six months. Those things can cause heart burn and I know that if that happens she will go off them and lie to us. That’s potentially means a clotting.

Naaa Gilas always said he a was a doc.

cohenite
May 31, 2023 10:18 pm

The Boys, series 3, episode 1 has the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV.

Yep, it’s bad; but then any recent Q&A on the stinking abc is possibly worse.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 31, 2023 10:18 pm

Bundy is my fruit soak of choice when I make my Christmas cakes

Any complaints from the sultanas?

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 10:20 pm

Leslie Van Houten, along with the others, was originally sentenced to death, which was later commuted to life when California abolished the death penalty in 1972.

There was another victim that night, the unborn child of Sharon Tate. She was two weeks away from giving birth, and she died begging for the life of her unborn child and screaming for her mother. Sharon Tate was buried with her unborn son in her arms. There is no parole for Sharon Tate, her son, and the other victims.

Van Houten should die in prison.

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 10:22 pm

JC, I hope your daughter is okay.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 10:25 pm

Leslie Van Houten, along with the others, was originally sentenced to death, which was later commuted to life when California abolished the death penalty in 1972.

I’m all for the death penalty being abolished – provided those who were originally sentenced to die, go to the chopping block first.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 10:26 pm

Thanks Cassie. Just heard it today.

She’s in the best of care… NYC docs obviously: 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 10:28 pm

“She’s in the best of care… NYC docs obviously: ?”

Good.

Frank
Frank
May 31, 2023 10:29 pm

The Boys, series 3, episode 1 has the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV.

Was that the whale scene?

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 10:30 pm

Was that the whale scene?

No.
It involved a shrinking human.

Frank
Frank
May 31, 2023 10:33 pm

I remember now, at the superhero party.

Frank
Frank
May 31, 2023 10:33 pm

Series 4 is due in September.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 31, 2023 10:35 pm

Best doctors in the world JC.
But hard not to worry.

Muddy
Muddy
May 31, 2023 10:37 pm

the stupidity of alarmism

I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.
Why not a global average IQ?
A global average body hair coverage?
A global average nocturnal drool volume?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 31, 2023 10:40 pm

‘Betrayal’ tore blood brothers apart, fuelled $25m lawsuit
By STEPHEN RICE
NSW Editor
@riceyontheroad
9:21PM May 31, 2023
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They were the greatest of mates, two SAS soldiers whose friendship had been forged under fire in Afghanistan.

One had asked the other to be the best man at his wedding. Now his best man was accusing him of murder. Of shooting a handcuffed prisoner in cold blood.

Like all SAS witnesses who appeared at the Ben Roberts-Smith defamation trial, the accused man’s identity was protected when he was called to give evidence.
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But his voice revealed bewilderment rather than anger at his mate’s betrayal.

“I felt incredibly hurt by that,” he said simply. “That someone so close for a number of years – a mentor, a good friend not just professionally but personally – would have said such things that caused me so much grief and heartache.”

Lifelong friendships have been shredded in the fallout of Roberts-Smith’s high-stakes defamation action over allegations of war crimes, a history-making clash that has already cost at least $25m.

Roberts-Smith has always vehemently denied wrongdoing and has never been charged with any offence.

On Thursday Justice Anthony Besanko will hand down a decision that will either restore the war hero’s battered reputation or leave him a pariah, unfit to wear his cherished Victoria Cross.

For Nine, Besanko’s ruling will mean either a crushing blow to its journalists – and its bottom line – or vindication of its five-year pursuit of the story. But nothing in his judgment will repair the broken bonds among dozens of former comrades in arms, caught up in a legal battle not of their choosing.

The reputation of the SAS had already been trashed by the Brereton inquiry’s finding in November 2020 of evidence that special forces soldiers committed 39 murders in Afghanistan and covered them up by maintaining a band-of-brothers code of silence.

That code frayed as war crimes investigators explored – and ­exploited – the deep personal animosities that had split Australia’s premier fighting force into two warring camps for more than a decade, with hatred of – or loyalty to – Roberts-Smith often at the core of those divisions.

Many of those being questioned by authorities about their knowledge of war crimes were also being subpoenaed to appear in the defamation case. Most did so unwillingly, some in tears.

One soldier who gave devastating evidence against Roberts-Smith, saying he saw the soldier machine gun a prisoner, became emotional as he made clear his high personal regard for his former friend.

“I still don’t agree with the fact BRS is here, under extreme duress, for killing bad dudes we went over there to kill,” he said. “I do not want to be here. I find it extremely difficult to stomach having to give evidence against that man (Roberts-Smith) in the corner.”

Few witnesses felt the pain of a friendship torn apart more acutely than the two men known in court as Person 4 and Person 11. They were the only witnesses to what occurred after Roberts-Smith allegedly kicked hand­cuffed shepherd Ali Jan off a cliff at Darwan in 2012, the centrepiece allegation in the Nine newspapers’ stories. ­Roberts-Smith and his squad were hunting for turncoat Afghan army sergeant Hekmatullah who had recently killed three Australian soldiers as they played cards in the Australian base.

Late in the mission – just before the soldiers were due to be extracted – Ali Jan was detained and interrogated by Roberts-Smith, the newspapers reporter. Another ­Afghan detained that day testified that when “the big soldier” said something to Ali Jan, the farmer made the mistake of smiling.

Person 4 gave evidence at the trial that Roberts-Smith took a few steps forward and kicked the man in the chest, sending him sailing over the edge. Person 4, who at the time was Roberts-Smith’s second in command, gave graphic evidence of watching the farmer tumble down the rocky incline and into the dry creek below, shattering his teeth on a rock on the way down. The soldier said he and Person 11 then dragged the man across the dry creek bed.

As he walked away, Person 4 testified, he heard gunshots ring out. When he turned, he saw Person 11 with his weapon raised and Roberts-Smith watching on. Roberts-Smith says the cliff incident simply did not happen. Instead, he and Person 11 each recounted how they had engaged and killed a Taliban “spotter” ­carrying a radio after they had crossed the dry creek bed, as the team was making its way to an extraction point, to be picked up by helicopters,

Person 11 said he saw a man in the cornfields about 20m away “moving in a very suspicious ­manner”. He fired a burst of three or four rounds at the man with his M4 ­assault rifle, and realised Roberts-Smith, behind him, was also shooting at the man.

The two versions of what occurred could not have been more different; someone was lying.

Person 4 was probably Nine’s most important eyewitness in the case and gave compelling testimony on behalf of the newspapers.

Person 4 struggled with his mental health for years after his tours in Afghanistan and was discharged from the Australian Defence Force. It was his stories of atrocities that first began to filter through the regiment and ultimately to Nine’s journalists. The soldier had fought courageously alongside Roberts-Smith at the ferocious battle of Tizak, for which Roberts-Smith was awarded his Victoria Cross. While Person 4 was awarded the Medal of Gallantry for his actions at Tizak, he ­admitted it rankled that ­Roberts-Smith received the VC.

On the witness stand, he ­admitted he had been manipulated by other soldiers who had eventually gone to the media with their claims about Roberts-Smith.

But Person 4 remained unapologetic about his evidence against his former friend, Person 11.

Person 11 confirmed that, after suffering a near mental breakdown, he had called Person 4.

“It was brief, but I laid out I was hurt deeply, disappointed, and that I was aware of what was going on and from this time forward our personal relationship was over,” he said.

They haven’t spoken in five years.

Dot
Dot
May 31, 2023 10:41 pm

Around 70%, on ethanols purchased with after-tax $$.
So, if on a 45+2% marginal tax rate, one has to earn $100 to buy grog worth $16.
Government caring for us.

You know it makes sense, peoples!

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 10:46 pm

So, if on a 45+2% marginal tax rate, one has to earn $100 to buy grog worth $16

learn to distill

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 31, 2023 10:47 pm

I’m extremely tired and am off to bed to finish Amor Towel’s latest.

Don’t forget to vote NO.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
May 31, 2023 10:48 pm

learn to distill

Nah, every aussie should boycott, alcohol, tobacco and gambling for a week.

Watch the government go bankrupt.

Real Deal
Real Deal
May 31, 2023 10:50 pm

Hope your daughter is okay, JC. Good docs in New York.

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 10:53 pm

apparently today was World No Tobacco Day

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 10:55 pm

Thanks Real Deal.

I knew Gilas was a doc and it’s the reason I asked him. I wasn’t pity trolling, if you know what I mean. We just learned this today as wifey just got over there and she hadn’t told us before. She didn’t think it was relevant and didn’t want us to interfere. She is so, so annoying.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 10:57 pm

And thanks Bern.

Muddy
Muddy
May 31, 2023 10:58 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 31, 2023 at 10:53 pm

apparently today was World No Tobacco Day

Tomorrow is World Dairy Day.
Moo for milk.
(G’day to the farmers out there. Also the milk pickers. Bugger of a job, apparently).

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 31, 2023 10:59 pm

Any one of youse says Dry July, I’ll go off crook

Muddy
Muddy
May 31, 2023 11:01 pm

Apparently the global average production of bellybutton lint is in decline.
Another casualty of climax drain.
When we will learn?

MatrixTransform
May 31, 2023 11:04 pm

Belly Button Lint day is the same day as Boxing day

Muddy
Muddy
May 31, 2023 11:05 pm

If no-one likes a soldier until the enemy is at the gate,
what happens when the enemy is sh^!!ing in your fish tank?
(Is that a good time to bring out the port?).

Cassie of Sydney
May 31, 2023 11:05 pm

Am glad your wife is there, JC.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 11:08 pm

Muddy says:
May 31, 2023 at 10:37 pm

the stupidity of alarmism

I’ve struggled to understand the concept of a global average temperature.
Why not a global average IQ?
A global average body hair coverage?
A global average nocturnal drool volume?

Muddy, I think global average temp is interesting as a rough estimate when say comparing the planet to others. It’s just a rough estimate. However, the problem arises when it’s misused for gerbil warming purposes. Gerbil warming is the measure of tiny wiggles that has no relevance to average global temperature.

Isn’t the average IQ 100, by definition?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 31, 2023 11:08 pm

JC, Gilas is a specialist doc, very interesting to chat to him, he came to Rabz’s election party. That’s valuable advice re your daughter. I hope she checks out OK for all contingencies and with specialist attention. I had a DVT in my calf when I broke my foot in 2021 and had blood thinners but as it was clearly a ‘provoked’ DVT I’m not on them now. They are pretty good these days, don’t worry, few or no side effects. Hairy has had DVT’s in both legs, in one leg years ago (when he blatantly ignored the signs and symptoms against my advice) they became multiple from calf to thigh. He’s on constant blood thinners and as you know we do a lot of air travel still, so life can remain normal with treatment.

Best wishes to your daughter and you and your wife, it must be a worry.

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 11:10 pm

I so am too, Cassie. I couldn’t begin to imagine what that idiot could do on her own. 🙂

JC
JC
May 31, 2023 11:13 pm

Thanks liz

She is and always was our problem child. She sends us around the bend at times.

And no more thanks as I don’t want to use up the blog.

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