Open Thread – Weekend 3 June 2023


One of the Family, Frederick George Cotman, 1880

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Muddy
Muddy
June 4, 2023 7:49 pm

Rabz says:
June 4, 2023 at 6:38 pm

And then they all froze to death the following winter.

Only because the corpses of the serfs who had been stacked like firewood were still too wet to burn for warmth.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 7:50 pm

Calli,
that was beautiful.
The only line I remember from the play is my first one, “Hail to thee, Hrothgar”.
I did wield a mean sword. 😉

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 7:52 pm

Stokes ‘undecided’ on BRS appeal

By Sophie Elsworth
Media Writer
@sophieelsworth
and James Madden
Media Editor
6:59PM June 4, 2023

Billionaire media mogul Kerry Stokes will on Monday read the full judgment in the failed defamation case brought by ex-soldier Ben Roberts-Smith before deciding whether to bankroll a possible appeal.

Mr Stokes covered Mr Roberts-Smith’s legal fees – which were in the vicinity of $25m – in the long-running court battle, and that figure could potentially double if Judge Anthony Besanko eventually rules that Nine Entertainment’s costs should also be borne by the plaintiff.

An appeal wouldn’t be as costly as the original trial, but could still expose Mr Stokes – or any other third-party backer – several millions of dollars.

While the decision to launch an appeal ultimately rests with Mr Roberts-Smith, it would be unlikely that he could proceed without the financial backing of a third party.

On Saturday, The Weekend Australian revealed that Mr Roberts-Smith rejected an offer to settle his defamation claim against Nine that would have allowed him to walk away with only his own costs more than two years ago, with the newspapers anxious to avoid the massive costs of a trial and the trauma for witnesses battling mental health issues.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 7:54 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
June 4, 2023 at 3:36 pm
JC – the slapper got on the phone and the station folded.
The slapper got on the phone twice – once in floods of tears, the second time throwing a tantrum that put Paul Keating in the shade, and threatening a Senate inquiry into the media that would close the station down.

Every Labor politician is a thug, no exceptions.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 7:57 pm

trauma for witnesses battling mental health issues

Lying and maintenance of perjuring Afghani witnesses will do that.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 7:57 pm

Further to “sexual touching”, about thirty years ago I was at a nightclub when a man grabbed my breast, I smacked him so hard on his face that he recoiled in shock and I said “don’t you ever, ever do that to a woman again”. I doubt he ever did such a thing again, such was his shock. That’s how you deal with inappropriate sexual touching, but what do I know….I’m just a girl who was brought up with a strong mother and first and second wave feminism, which was all about empowering women. Now all girls wanna be are victims.

Cassie, that’s how every woman of our generations responded and even my daughters were taught to do the same. These girls are not looking to be victims per se but to have the goods on a rich or famous guy to sue him for damages. It’s all about the money.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:02 pm

Crossie,
X 1,000.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Gee Whillikers, that Higgins is a lying slapper!

Ch7 runs a clip of her telling Wilkinson (or somebody) that she was “stumbling drunk” & was “wobbling all over the place, she couldn’t walk through the scanner” (as we’ve all heard)

Ch7 just ran the footage of security. She’s standing upright, & coz of her shoes setting the scanner off, has to walk through & back at least three times, then bend to take her shoes off.

She’s upright & straight as a Grenadier Guardsman, marching several paces through, back, through again, turning around, bending to remove shoes. All without any sign of wobbliness, over-correction, poor coordination, or fuzziness when comprehending instructions from security.

The Lying Cow.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 4, 2023 8:05 pm

BB
For info – this new group is the contact to get a full picture of the fight so far.
We are meeting again in Maryborough on the 13th. If you wanted to bring a car load along you’d be welcome. We are looking for representation from your area to join.

REGIONAL VICTORIA POWER ALLIANCE
At a meeting in Maryborough on 16 May 2023, leaders of fledgling local action groups and some other landholders, all of whom are situated along the then-proposed 200+ km VNI West Option 5 route, met with members of the Moorabool and Central Highlands Power Alliance Inc (the MCHPA). The purpose was to discuss shared concerns about AEMO and the Victorian Government proposing to build 500kV overhead transmission lines through our districts and on our land, or our neighbour’s land, impacting us all.
At the meeting, the MCHPA members shared their experiences of a 3-year journey fighting to stop the Western Renewables Link Project (WRL), which is a 190+ km transmission line from Sydenham to Bulgana, plus new terminal stations. The VNI West local action group leaders and landholders, who were all only just starting their fight against VNI West, shared their early experiences and frustrations.
What everyone at the meeting realised is that both projects must be built to create AEMO’s entire proposed transmission line from Melbourne to NSW. The new Option 5a has unfortunately shown that now other people will be impacted by VNI West, but the fact of 80m high 500kV towers carrying transmissions lines over people’s land as part of this 400+ km (in Victoria) interconnector is unchanged.
The MCHPA is an incorporated association which was formed in June/July 2020 as an “umbrella” group to represent the landholders, communities, other local action groups that have formed to fight WRL in their localities, businesses and numerous other parties who would potentially be impacted by the WRL.
At the 16 May meeting, the MCHPA put a proposal to the VNI West group that they unite under the ‘business name’ of Regional Victoria Power Alliance, which the MCHPA had registered with ASIC on 15 May 2023. This idea was unanimously agreed to. This does not mean that those who are fighting either project lose their ability to make decisions that address their concerns, but it does mean that this strategic Alliance, which will be managed by a larger Steering Committee with members from along the lines of both projects, will have greater resources and a louder voice in the fight against both projects. More information will follow on this initiative.
The MCHPA runs the “Stop AusNet’s Towers” campaign and uses the strong red colour and tower graphics to make its point. Local groups along the Option 5 alignment have already started to produce banners using the same background and graphics with ‘NO GO AEMO’ on them.
The MCHPA has also commenced two court actions, the first against AEMO re: WRL and the second against the Victorian Government re: the “VNI West and WRL Ministerial Order” published on 20 February 2023 which directly affects both projects.

Contacts.
https://www.stopausnetstowers.com.au/about/

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 8:06 pm

Oh yes, just before a man ejaculates in me, I’m going to withdraw consent and then I’ll run to the police

Isn’t that what happened to Julian Assange in Sweden? Something like that anyway.

A good solid knee up where it hurts got me out of some trouble, but I still marvel that I came out of my yoof as carefree as I did. We just had to be tough. I hitch-hiked alone and did other things I’d never let my daughter do in a million years.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 8:08 pm

JC at 2:47.

Custard put an exact date on when Trump was going to return to Rome on a chariot as president. It didn’t quite work out that way and departed due to slight embarrassment I suspect. It was another Faulty-like prediction who forecast a collapse of the US stockmarket on an actual date. Ironically the market began to rise and made record levels almost from his collapse prediction date.

And, from memory, you kept the receipts and relentlessly reminded him at every opportunity.

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 8:12 pm

Really depends upon what you mean by a thing.

the meaning is clear … ie not an ‘absurdity’
I don’t think the question can simply be dismissed as absurd

Variation is exaggerated.

rubbish.
despite similarities, there is variation
and if morality was absolute
well, there wouldn’t be
variation is proof positive that morality isn’t absolute

There is a great deal of similarity on certain points across time and place (honour thy father and mother, pay respect to the gods/ God, not to kill, steal, etc).

yes there is
fine though if you want to limit the scope
what about war?
or law?
you can’t just expand and contract the scope like a committee

Still, variety outside of these broad general principles, as well as in specific circumstances due to disagreements about their application in certain concrete situations, etc.

what? like arguments among cannibals as to the merits of low-and-slow versus spit-roast?

take CL’s Nagasaki kaboom … pre-war it isn’t moral, during war it is, after war it isn’t again

and you did say that “Morals are not a coat you can take off or on depending on the circumstances”

if morality was absolute … we wouldn’t be even having this conversation

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 8:14 pm

KD, I just did a downtick of my uptick to you to see what happened. It worked!

I’ll go upthread now and give it back to you.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 8:14 pm

Isn’t that what happened to Julian Assange in Sweden? Something like that anyway.

She apparently consented to sex in the evening and in the morning he was obviously feeling frisky for an another legover. She claimed she was asleep and didn’t consent. That’s considered rape in Sweden.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The lefty activist caste, who intend to boycott all whose advertising is run during the Lehrmann interview – they’re going to have to cut one helluva lot of things outta their lives – coz from what I’m seeing, half the big brand names in the country are running ads.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:16 pm

those mighty Reds

Thanks, BB, my mum’s family hailed from Merseyside, while my ol’ man’s hailed from Turin.

This has the potential to cause conflicts of instinct …

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:17 pm

Interesting juxtaposition, they have Captain Lovell from Apollo 13 stating how much harder it was for Shackleton as there was no way of communicating, unlike Apollo 13 being able to communicate with Nassa.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The Swedish chick ascertained that Assange had rooted her without putting on a frenchie.
She’d apparently assumed he’d use one, & was “raped” only when she discovered he’d not slid one one.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 8:18 pm

calli says:
June 4, 2023 at 5:54 pm
Cassie, not about staying away, just being careful. Young people need to socialise and have fun. It’s the same advice I gave to my daughters and even then one of them got into strife with a Micky Finn…fortunately in the company of her older sister. An ambulance was called.

There are predators everywhere, and they aren’t just grotty old blokes in dust coats.

When my daughters started clubbing I had a deal with them that they were not to drive and to call me for a lift no matter what time. I’m glad to say there weren’t that many calls at 3 am.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:19 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 8:20 pm

She claimed she was asleep and didn’t consent. That’s considered rape in Sweden.

Recollections differ, JC. I recall that he was half way in with her consent, as it were, and she got hostile because she suddenly realised he wasn’t wearing a condom.

What goes on in a bedroom should usually stay just between the two people who’ve said they’re up for it together, in my view, unless violence or real forced rape happens. This conditional stuff is all silly.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 4, 2023 8:20 pm
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Or was it that Assange was having it off with two different birds who both thought they were the only one – when they found out about each other, they realised they’d been “raped”.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:21 pm

Shackleton’s crew have just realised they have to start eating their dogs.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 8:22 pm

Recollections differ, JC. I recall that he was half way in with her consent, as it were, and she got hostile because she suddenly realised he wasn’t wearing a condom.

Oh yea, the condom thing was important.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

* Fist bump * (to Lizzie)

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:25 pm

Salvatore and Lizzie are correct. One sheila found out about the other and used the “pretending he was wearing a condom”, offence.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:26 pm

The Assange had (allegedly) engaged in various intimate acts with a swedish bimbo without first donning a rubber tube on the todger

After which he spent many, many years languishing in a broom closet in the Columbian Embassy in Londinium.

And nobody with a functioning brain gave a rodent’s backside, then or now, I tells ya.

Delta A
Delta A
June 4, 2023 8:27 pm

Things can get a bit desperate by Sunday night irrespective of kitchen skills.

Oh, no no no.

Sunday night dinner is the high spot of the week. With all ten of us home tonight, we had a German/Austrian feast with spaetzle, spicy braised steak, sauerkraut, potato salad and green bean salad, all (apart from the kraut) home made.

Best Man does the spaetzle and beans, I do the potato salad and we share the meat prep. Pizza and/or dumplings for Sunday dinner? Never!

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 8:27 pm

Hmmmm. We all have our stories and warnings and restrictions. My takeaway is simply to be aware and be warned. And look at the family behind the object of desire. That might be a clue.

When my late husband and I started dating I needed to know what his mother thought. When we met she was very nice to me which made me think that we would be OK. There is nothing worse than a hostile mother in law as happened to my mother. Grandma was nice to us kids but horrible to mum which probably led to mum agreeing to move to Australia when dad suggested it. Grandma lost out big there.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:29 pm

Ooops – the Caluthumpian Embassy in Londinium … 😕

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:29 pm

Ooops – the Caluthumpian Embassy in Londinium … 😕

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Rabz is 200% correct:

And nobody with a functioning brain gave a rodent’s backside, then or now, I tells ya.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:30 pm

Twoice – WTF?

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:30 pm

And, from memory, you kept the receipts and relentlessly reminded him at every opportunity.

I lost 10k from that.

Come back. Give me 10k.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Ecuadorian Embassy – not that anyone considers this nugget of info to be crucial.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:33 pm

And nobody with a functioning brain gave a rodent’s backside, then or now, I tells ya.

If you dismiss Assange you have no idea what he dug up. It’s so damned important it is tragic people dismiss it out of hand.

If you think the Deep State and Clinton etc are a problem, you have to at least consider what Assange helped to reveal.

BS anti-male laws for “rape” and using that glowie bait stuff for a dodgy extradition order matters the same way that Pell, BRS and Lehrmann matter.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:34 pm

Glowie bait – goils like Anna Chapman & Valerie Plame.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 8:34 pm

Even in jest, a guy saying he can’t manage on his own is gross. Some of the sexiest images in the world for women are, a guy chopping wood is number one, pushing a vacuum cleaner and loading the dishwasher/washing machine at number two, and cooking a decent meal at number three.

Pogria, my husband thought none of us knew how to load a dishwasher properly, he knew best so we let him. On the other hand he was rubbish at unloading it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 8:37 pm

Shackleton’s crew have just realised they have to start eating their dogs.

On that topic – I’ve seen Scott of the Antarctic’s diary in the maritime museum at Greenwich.

“For God’s sake, look after our people” scrawled across the bottom of the last page…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 8:38 pm

Not watching the Brih-nee stuff tonight.

Although no doubt professionally produced and edited, I have been advised that a suitably chilling orchestra soundtrack at certain momentous events therein is not part of the show.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:38 pm

Ch7 runs a clip of her telling Wilkinson (or somebody) that she was “stumbling drunk” & was “wobbling all over the place, she couldn’t walk through the scanner” (as we’ve all heard)

Ch7 just ran the footage of security. She’s standing upright, & coz of her shoes setting the scanner off, has to walk through & back at least three times, then bend to take her shoes off.

She’s upright & straight as a Grenadier Guardsman, marching several paces through, back, through again, turning around, bending to remove shoes. All without any sign of wobbliness, over-correction, poor coordination, or fuzziness when comprehending instructions from security.

Lehrmann is basically free now because of this. He can never be tried now, this is a bit like ole Roger Dodger being caught on camera in the bank. Let’s hope this makes it to Soronoff and the civil case. :popcorn & cool glasses:

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:39 pm

Shackleton’s crew have just realised they have to start eating their dogues.

When heroic epics go more than hideously wrong. Freezing to death in an unforgiving unrepentant lunar wasteland while attempting to chow down on some freshly deceased rock hard dogue meat.

Makes languishing in a Kampuchean jungle akin to a heavenly scenario.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Assange is one weird albino pencil-neck. However it is quite a struggle to see what was so bad about facing what were clearly weak rape charges in Sweden, a country where the penalty would be in the region of being given 6 months in a country club rehabilitation camp by a lake.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 8:42 pm

What goes on in a bedroom should usually stay just between the two people who’ve said they’re up for it together, in my view, unless violence or real forced rape happens. This conditional stuff is all silly.

Times change.
Once upon a time not that long ago, intercourse without the intention of procreating was prosecuted as Sodomy.
A bloke could be guilty of Sodomy on his own wife.
Obviously these Swedish sluts didn’t wanna bring any more albinos into the world, so Assange is the Villain here.
Sure, he’s not Ben Roberts-Smith, but I’m not sorry for him either.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 8:42 pm

How Lisa Wilkinson and Brittany Higgins war-gamed which ‘friendlies’ to fire up

EXCLUSIVE
By JANET ALBRECHTSEN
Columnist
@jkalbrechtsen
and STEPHEN RICE
8:24PM June 4, 2023

Brittany Higgins and Lisa Wilkinson war-gamed how to recruit prominent politicians and media figures who could help give ­momentum to their upcoming ­interview on The Project, as the TV host made suggestions to the former Liberal staffer about how to frame her story.

The more than a five-hour session, which also involved Ms Higgins’ boyfriend David Sharaz and Wilkinson’s producer Angus Llewellyn, was recorded on January 27, 2021 a few days before they filmed the interview that was broadcast on February 15 revealing Ms Higgins’ claims she had been raped in Parliament House.

The group brainstormed MPs who would “fire questions” in question time over the alleged sexual assault, highlighting Labor leaders Anthony Albanese and Tanya Plibersek as key players, with Wilkinson highly critical of former foreign minister Julie Bishop for refusing to “speak out” against the poor culture of Parliament House.

Ms Higgins told Wilkinson that she could find some “friendly MPs” who could fire questions in question time. Wilkinson suggested Mr Albanese could be helpful, before backtracking and describing him as “a bit of a dead duck at the moment”.

“Well, he’s in a car crash, leave him alone,” Mr Sharaz responded. “He got a lot of coverage out of that.”

Wilkinson then suggested “Tanya Plibersek, definitely”, to which Mr Sharaz said: “Yeah”.

Ms Higgins tells the group: “We’re doing a parliamentary showcase before all this starts. So it’s going to be great, we’re ­having fun.”

A small part of the session was played to the court in during Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial, in which it was revealed that Ms Higgins and Mr Sharaz had proposed breaking the story in a parliamentary sitting week so that “they have to answer questions at question time, it’s a mess for them”.

Ms Higgins said it would mean “they’re all stuck in Parliament House with it”.

Mr Sharaz told the group: “I’ve got a friend in Labor, Katie Gallagher on the Labor side, who will probe and continue it going.”

Cross-examined on the conversation during the trial, Ms Higgins told the court: “That wasn’t the actual interview itself and I didn’t sign a stat dec on this. This is just us talking.”

In the hours-long pre-session, Wilkinson said Ms Higgins would have to consider how to answer questions on why she did not go to the police with her allegations.

The Channel Ten host also told the former staffer that she did not want “to put words in your mouth” but asked if Ms Higgins “could annunciate” how the culture at Parliament House could allow a rape to occur without anyone being punished.

Razey
Razey
June 4, 2023 8:43 pm

My 2c worth, WTF is Presutto is doing hunting down so called indiscretions in his own party?

They are so incompetent I think it’s deliberate. They simply must be getting kickbacks from Hunchback.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 8:43 pm

There’s a big difference, but on the whole you’re pretty right, Dot.

Assange released information about an African country ( Kenya?) showing western intel assisting one side. The release instigated social unrest with a couple of thousand ending up deadsky. That’s bad stuff, but he shouldn’t be in this circumstances. He’s no angel.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 8:46 pm

Salvo – as soon as he attempted to transit anywhere outside of a 100 metre radius of the broom closet it was off to Guantanamo.

Quite frankly, the Poms should have sent in the SAS.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:47 pm

The name of one of the blokes in the Shackleton doco is Mensen Bound. Awesome.
I am sorry though, that it took the Yanks to find his ship. I only discovered Shackleton in the nineties. We should have been learning about him instead of the fact that the greatest improvement the Abos had made in ten thousand years was the spear-chucker.
Shackleton saved ALL his men. He wasn’t fussed about whether the sheila who did the ironing turned up.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:47 pm

However it is quite a struggle to see what was so bad about facing what were clearly weak rape charges in Sweden

The US was mucking about to get him for embarrassing the establishment, including war crimes and torture and rape of insurgents and civilians by the newly formed Iraqi police etc. They needed him in Sweden.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 4, 2023 8:49 pm

Show begins @ 8:18

Jaxen report @ 21:08

The HighWire with Del Bigtree:

Today’s show is an Act of Rebellion! The HighWire Reveals The Red Carpet Live Stream Team for Plandemic 3: The Great Awakening!; Then, Jefferey Jaxen Reports on Target, North Face, and the Trans controversy, The Green Agenda is Rolling Out in Europe, and the Origins of the Globalist Agenda; As we near the global premiere of The Great Awakening, Del goes into the Plandemic Production House for an inside look at the making of the 3rd installment of the Plandemic series, getting final thoughts from Director Mikki Willis as they near one of the most important events in the canon of the Plandemic Series; Finally, Del shows how easy it is to commit an act of rebellion.
Guests: Tracy Beanz, Mikki Willis

Episode 322: ACT OF REBELLION

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 8:51 pm

Crossie

When my daughters started clubbing I had a deal with them that they were not to drive and to call me for a lift no matter what time. I’m glad to say there weren’t that many calls at 3 am.

A friend had a deal with his daughter at clubs. He would drop her there and set a time to meet. He told her that five minutes after that time, if she had not appeared, he would enter the club calling her name at the top of his voice, find her, and escort her out.

Apparently he didn’t need to carry out the threat.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Shackleton saved ALL his men.

I did not know that.
Thank you.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Assange, the fearless releaser of stuff governments don’t want you to see, for some reason did not release any dump of info about Russia.

Total mystery why not.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 8:52 pm

Shackleton saved ALL his men. He wasn’t fussed about whether the sheila who did the ironing turned up.
Yeah, whatever.
Amundsen, who was first to the South Pole, considered Shackleton an arsehole who needlessly put his men in danger because he was an idiot.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 4, 2023 8:54 pm

News.com.au scraping the bottom of an already over-scraped barrell. An article seems to be calling for a public apology for media “personality” Yumi Stynes over a morning tv report in 2012 where she ridiculed BRS for having no brains. She has supposedly been vindicated by the defamation case loss.

As BB would say; Fickle Media Darlings.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 8:54 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
June 4, 2023 at 8:39 pm
Assange is one weird albino pencil-neck. However it is quite a struggle to see what was so bad about facing what were clearly weak rape charges in Sweden, a country where the penalty would be in the region of being given 6 months in a country club rehabilitation camp by a lake.

I believe the issue was that the Swedes were going to hand him over to the US who wanted him for publishing the documents handed to him by Chelsea (née Bradley) Manning. They still want him even though the main villain, Manning, has been pardoned by Obama.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 8:54 pm

I just watched the Bruce L interview.

I have to say, that there’s a big hole in his account. He went to Parliament house with her and then left through an alternative route and didn’t check on her before leaving. I don’t buy that.

She reckons she was rolling drunk and found him on top. She never reported the incident immediately and only did so when there was a threat to her job. She wasn’t rolling drunk as we saw on the video footage.

Why would he leave there when he went with her?

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 8:54 pm

Libertarians and paleocons were right (again) episode 8958712423376:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Brigade_(Iraq)

Indeed, what were we doing there (at all?) for so long?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

The US was mucking about to get him for embarrassing the establishment, including war crimes and torture and rape of insurgents and civilians by the newly formed Iraqi police etc. They needed him in Sweden.

Why couldn’t the US ask the poms to turn him over?

The poms fell over themselves to arrest & turn over the NatWest Three, just because the Yanks asked them to.
What was so special about Assange, he had a shedload more enemies to boot.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 8:56 pm

Head Case,
so what say you about Scott?

Shackleton learnt from Amundsen and took dogs, instead of ponies.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 8:59 pm

So, JC.
How did the dumpling pizza go?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

IIRC, it was all in Assange’s mind, that Sweden was going to turn him over to the Yanks.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

How did the dumpling pizza go?

No tradesman was available on a Sunday night to slice it for him, so he’s got it laid out on the table, like a rug, & is nibbling away at the edges.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:01 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 4, 2023 at 8:52 pm
Shackleton saved ALL his men. He wasn’t fussed about whether the sheila who did the ironing turned up.
Yeah, whatever.
Amundsen, who was first to the South Pole, considered Shackleton an arsehole who needlessly put his men in danger because he was an idiot.

Grandpa Cletus

Citation needed.

I would have thought that you, of all people, would understand the concept of a clash of egos.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:02 pm

Then, if he really did rape her, would he just leave her there and walk off? Wouldn’t he be fearful of the risk she’d would run to the security and cry rape.

Apparently, the following morning they had a coffee together.

None of this stuff adds up.

Obviously, he should never have been charged.

There’s two movies in this story.

My hunch is that they did have sex, she wanted to stay for longer as she was tired and went to sleep. He may have had his girlfriend waiting and didn’t want to be too late for obvious reasons.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:03 pm

JCsays:
June 4, 2023 at 8:54 pm
I just watched the Bruce L interview.

I have to say, that there’s a big hole in his account. He went to Parliament house with her and then left through an alternative route and didn’t check on her before leaving. I don’t buy that.

She reckons she was rolling drunk and found him on top. She never reported the incident immediately and only did so when there was a threat to her job. She wasn’t rolling drunk as we saw on the video footage.

Why would he leave there when he went with her?

To get away from someone who had just demonstrated her less-than-perfect personality?

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:05 pm

So, JC.
How did the dumpling pizza go?

Pizza tomorrow night, Sanchez. Dumplings were pretty good.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 9:06 pm

Next season, Cats, I tells ya – those Mighty Reds will be back – back, baby, back! 🙂

Entropy
Entropy
June 4, 2023 9:06 pm

Why would he leave there when he went with her?

because just like every single other ministerial adviser, including Higgins, he is a sociopathic arsehole.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 4, 2023 9:06 pm

And Antarctic expeditions are also part of Ed’s extensive portfolios. Just a verifiable Siri.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 9:09 pm

Assange, the fearless releaser of stuff governments don’t want you to see, for some reason did not release any dump of info about Russia.

Total mystery why not.

I disagree.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/19/wikileaks-releases-documents-it-claims-detail-russia-mass-surveillance-apparatus/

Wikileaks has released a new cache of documents which it claims detail surveillance apparatus used by the Russian state to spy on Internet and mobile users. It’s the first time the organization has leaked (what it claims is) material directly pertaining to the Russian state.

As ever, nothing is straightforward when it comes to Wikileaks. And founder Julian Assange continues to face charges that his ‘radical transparency’ organization is a front for Kremlin agents (charges that stepped up after Wikileaks released a massive trove of hacked emails from the DNC last year at a key moment in the U.S. presidential election).

Hmmm. Clintonite Democrats sour.

Writing a summary of the cache of mostly Russian-language documents, Wikileaks claims they show how a long-established Russian company which supplies software to telcos is also installing infrastructure, under state mandate, that enables Russian state agencies to tap into, search and spy on citizens’ digital activity — suggesting a similar state-funded mass surveillance program to the one utilized by the U.S.’s NSA or by GCHQ in the U.K. (both of which were detailed in the 2013 Snowden disclosures).

Original tweet:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/910072376372625408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E910072376372625408%7Ctwgr%5E3d579d318382ef9486b6b42b2f4f7fb8f09337bb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch.com%2F2017%2F09%2F19%2Fwikileaks-releases-documents-it-claims-detail-russia-mass-surveillance-apparatus%2F

The technologies developed and deployed by PETER-SERVICE today go far beyond the classical billing process and extend into the realms of surveillance and control. Although compliance to the strict surveillance laws is mandatory in Russia, rather than being forced to comply PETER-SERVICE appears to be quite actively pursuing partnership and commercial opportunities with the state intelligence apparatus.

As a matter of fact PETER-SERVICE is uniquely placed as a surveillance partner due to the remarkable visibility their products provide into the data of Russian subscribers of mobile operators, which expose to PETER-SERVICE valuable metadata, including phone and message records, device identifiers (IMEI, MAC addresses), network identifiers (IP addresses), cell tower information and much more. This enriched and aggregated metadata is of course of interest to Russian authorities, whose access became a core component of the system architecture.

Outlining how Russia spies on its citizens is not what a Russian stooge would do.

Unless you think he’s a US stooge as well.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:09 pm

To get away from someone who had just demonstrated her less-than-perfect personality?

Sure, but why though?

B John, you can’t discount the likelihood there was consensual sex. Leaving here there points to that possibility, because once he was done, he quite possibly couldn’t stomach her anymore. 🙂

He probably hid the fact they had consensual sex because it would have been easier for her to ping him with the drunk excuse.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 4, 2023 9:09 pm
rosie
rosie
June 4, 2023 9:10 pm

If she was sober enough and it was perfectly safe to be inside parliament why would he check up on her?
You are right though, if there was a rape, he would have should have expected an immediate reaction.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 9:12 pm

IIRC, it was all in Assange’s mind, that Sweden was going to turn him over to the Yanks.

“It’s all in BRS’ mind that the ALP is prepared to sacrifice him to abolish the SF & commandos…”

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 9:13 pm

If she was sober enough and it was perfectly safe to be inside parliament why would he check up on her?

BAM!

Game over, Mosman Amphibian.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:13 pm

Rosie

She obviously wasn’t legless drunk as she claimed. The footage was pretty clear about that. At one time she was balancing herself on one leg either removing or put on her shoe. You can’t do that when you’re over the hill drunk.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:17 pm

If she was sober enough and it was perfectly safe to be inside parliament why would he check up on her?

Would you dump someone like that in the same circumstances? Wouldn’t you say, ‘see ya I’m heading off’, especially if it’s a woman and have no intentions. Wouldn’t you accompany her outside to meet the cabs? Keep in mind they lived in the same direction he said.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 9:17 pm

You are right though, if there was a rape, he would have should have expected an immediate reaction.

If there was a rape, why didn’t she accept the security guards offer of medical help, or an ambulance?

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:18 pm

Whoops

Leaving her there.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:19 pm

Black Ballsays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:06 pm
And Antarctic expeditions are also part of Ed’s extensive portfolios. Just a verifiable Siri.

His se ret technique to being a know-it-all is that he just makes everything up.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 9:20 pm

This is the sorta bloke Shackleton was:

The Ship’s Carpenter was the reason they weren’t all lost.
He modified the boat that sailed to South Georgia, Shackleton was so grateful he executed the Guy’s cat.
‘Seriously, what sorta arsehole executes a pet cat.
Then when they all got back to London, Shackleton refused to recommend the guy be awarded the Polar Medal, which was presented by the King.
Don’t get me started on Shackleton.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:21 pm

JCsays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:09 pm
To get away from someone who had just demonstrated her less-than-perfect personality?

Sure, but why though?

B John, you can’t discount the likelihood there was consensual sex.

The possibility can’t be discounted, but she had every opportunity to collect some DNA had this occurred.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:22 pm

This is the sorta bloke Shackleton was:

A friend of mine is writing a movie scrip and Shackelton. Dunno how it’s going.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 9:23 pm

Sacré bleu, Chattes

une fille indeedee … 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:23 pm

secret technique …

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 9:24 pm

Head Case,
no one got you started on Shackleton. You insinuated yourself into the discussion.
As usual.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Dot says: June 4, 2023 at 9:09 pm

Thank you Dot.
I’d tuned out of all wikileaks stuff long before 2017 & was not paying close attention.

Though my meaning was that far from being a Russian stooge, he was scared stiff of the Russkis, whose methods of retribution tend to be more direct & final than slipping you into orange pyjamas & flying you to camp in Cuba with 3 x adequate meals per day.

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 9:26 pm

you then accuse people of lying

52 licenses and permits. LOL You lying, wretched excuse for a human being

You’re entire life is a lie. You fraud.

No one believes any of the claims you make because you lie

same bloke in less that 24 hrs

sounds like he doesn’t need help digging his own grave with his mouth

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:27 pm

The possibility can’t be discounted, but she had every opportunity to collect some DNA had this occurred.

But the threat to her job, according to the interview, occurred about a week later ( if I recall correctly) when the Chief of staff was informed of the “break-in”. This points that she was never going to accuse him of raping her as it was consensual. It was a friendly bang on the minster’s couch.

She was laying on the minister’s couch, which suggeats that they thought it would be kinky to have sex in her office.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:28 pm

Grandpa Cletus

If he was such an arsehole, why did many of his crew later volunteer for his first post-WW I expedition?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 9:28 pm

So, why did Linda Reynolds fire Lehrmann first thing Tuesday morning?

Don’t say it was a Security Breach, because there was no Security Breach.

Lehrmann and Higgins were employees and were perfectly within their rights to seek entry after hours.
Meanwhile, while Higgins career was flatlining in Cash’s office, Higgins was hearing that Reynolds had been having meetings in Sydney with Lehrmann ever since she’d sacked him.
Higgins isn’t Einstein, but she didn’t need to be to put 2+2 together.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 9:29 pm

Peoples – could you please stop specularising* about many (im)possible “gettin’ on down” scenarios in that monstrous windbag shitshop, I asks ya?

The rock solid frozen dogue meat is in front of you. Just eat it.

*speculatating?

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:29 pm

Trans, are you operating on one piston this evening? That’s so slow motion, you need to get your heart checked. Go away.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:31 pm

So, why did Linda Reynolds fire Lehrmann first thing Tuesday morning?

It was for a security breach. According to Bruce L it was for that very reason and there hasn’t been any controversy about that, I think.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:31 pm

JCsays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:27 pm
The possibility can’t be discounted, but she had every opportunity to collect some DNA had this occurred.

But the threat to her job, according to the interview, occurred about a week later ( if I recall correctly) when the Chief of staff was informed of the “break-in”. This points that she was never going to accuse him of raping her as it was consensual. It was a friendly bang on the minster’s couch.

But she did accuse him of raping her.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 9:32 pm

Seriously, what sorta arsehole executes a pet cat.

Maybe one that wants dumplings.

You might get three or four out of a decent tabby.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:33 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:28 pm
So, why did Linda Reynolds fire Lehrmann first thing Tuesday morning?

Don’t say it was a Security Breach, because there was no Security Breach.

Quote the relevant section of the Parliament House Security manual.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:35 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:32 pm
Seriously, what sorta arsehole executes a pet cat.

Maybe one that wants dumplings.

You might get three or four out of a decent tabby.

The dogs, and probably the cat, were eaten. Not much spare food around on the ice cap.

Cassie of Sydney
June 4, 2023 9:35 pm

“Apparently, the following morning they had a coffee together.”

Who has coffee with someone you think raped you the night before?

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:36 pm

But she did accuse him of raping her.

When she thought she’d get the sack.

I can’t recall who it was, if he was the Chief or staff or Reynolds herself who sacked Brucey. Whoever it was , they saw the login into parliament by those two and rightly assumed it wasn’t for work related reasons. Sometime ago I read that Brucey had been warned before.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:37 pm

Maybe one that wants dumplings.

hahahahahahaha

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 9:37 pm

“The possibility can’t be discounted, but she had every opportunity to collect some DNA had this occurred.”

Boambee John,
if it had happened the way she said, she would have had a whole arm to show what he had done.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:38 pm

she would have had a whole arm to show what he had done.

An “arm”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 9:39 pm

JCsays:

June 4, 2023 at 9:05 pm

So, JC.
How did the dumpling pizza go?

Pizza tomorrow night, Sanchez. Dumplings were pretty good.

Really surprised to hear you don’t cook.
I imagined a kitchen full of well-thumbed signed first edition cook books.
Nigella.
Michel Roux (Snr and Jnr).
Yotam Ottolenghi.
Greg Malouf.
Stephanie Alexander.
Neil Perry.
The lot.
I envisaged a monster Aga stove with huge copper pots and pans and you cookin’ up a storm … with possibly a sprinkling of Ramsay-speak.
Myth busted.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 9:42 pm

Ed.

Bring your cat to me.

I will make it put the lotion on its skin.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 9:42 pm

Newspoll: Less than half intend to vote ‘yes’ to voice enshrined in Constitution

EXCLUSIVE
By SIMON BENSON
Political Editor
9:30PM June 4, 2023
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Less than half of eligible Australians now say they will vote in favour of a referendum to enshrine a voice to parliament and executive government in a troubling sign for the yes campaign and Anthony Albanese’s ambitions to ­secure constitutional recognition for Aboriginal and Torres Strait ­Islander people.

An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows only 46 per cent of voters approve of ­altering the Constitution to give effect to an Indigenous voice as proposed by the federal government.

With opinion almost equally divided, 43 per cent of voters said they would vote no, while 11 per cent said they didn’t know.

The exclusive poll follows the passage of the voice referendum legislation through the house of representatives last week.

It is the first Newspoll survey to present voters with the precise question they will be asked at the ballot box when the referendum is held this year.

Past Newspoll surveys showing support for a voice to parliament above 50 per cent were based on a more general question

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:42 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 4, 2023 at 9:35 pm

“Apparently, the following morning they had a coffee together.”

Who has coffee with someone you think raped you the night before?

errsactly. They’re both bullshitting. They had sex alright, but it was consensual. He couldn’t admit a legover as it would have placed him in legal jeopardy re the drinking thing. Apparently, you have to be below .05 to legally consent to sex now. She feared for her job.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 9:43 pm

How to start. You must be the only bloke in Oz who doesn’t know that a bloke will chew his arm off to get away from a sheila he knows he shouldn’t have had sex with. Help me out here fellas.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 4, 2023 9:44 pm

The U.S. and Sweden have no extradition treaty. Assaaange’s fantasy of a crack Navy Seal team parachuting him out of a 757 was a bit of a self-aggrandizing fantasy.
I was surprised that no-one has publicly asked Assange- or his caravan of self-appointed and very selectively focussed Human Rights Lawyer carpetbaggers, Robertson, Cherie Blair, Amal Clooney, etc- if, after all the palaver, it might have been a better idea to trot off to Stockholm for a quiet interview with the rözzers, after all.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:46 pm

I imagined a kitchen full of well-thumbed signed first edition cook books.

You’ve obviously been here. Wifey has a little hideaway just next to the kitchen filled with freaking cook books. And I still pine for mammas cooking, who had one cookbook. True, it’s a room with bookshelves filled with freaking cook books. Her other office room thing is elsewhere.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 4, 2023 9:47 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:35 pm
“Apparently, the following morning they had a coffee together.”

Who has coffee with someone you think raped you the night before?

Perhaps she didn’t realise that she had been raped until her job was at risk?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Things Lehrmann was charged with: Rape
Things Lehrmann was not charged with: Potentially getting a leg over, going into his workplace early Saturday morning, riding in an Uber with a good looking sort, leaving his office via the back stairs, not thinking to check his boss’ office at 3am to see if there’s a naked sheila in there laying on the sofa, potentially misleading his steady girlfriend, etc.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Perhaps she didn’t realise that she had been raped until her job was at risk?

That’s been clear since about the day our Bryttanie got herself a vuvuzela & began trumpeting her “rape” out loud in public.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 9:51 pm

a bloke will chew his arm off to get away from a sheila he knows he shouldn’t have had sex with

‘Ah, no. No, I don’t think I will leave my existing missus for your excessively giggly schtick. Also, in two years’ time you’ll probably get bingo wings and a fat arse, so again – no. But thank you for asking.

‘You may have to find another slightly porky doormat who resembles me.’

Dented pride. That’s what this was about.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:51 pm

Perhaps she didn’t realise that she had been raped until her job was at risk?

Yeah, I think that yeah.

Digger
Digger
June 4, 2023 9:51 pm

We are funding our own subjugation.

We deliberately set out to fund not just our subjugation but our complete demise when the almighty dollar and unharnessed greed over shadowed basic common sense, national security concerns and survival by choosing to provide every cent of China’s elevation to supremacy. All in the name of greed…

Not a brain to be found anywhere…

Cassie of Sydney
June 4, 2023 9:51 pm

“They had sex alright, but it was consensual. He couldn’t admit a legover as it would have placed him in legal jeopardy re the drinking thing. “

Probably, I’ve always thought they had a pash, a grope and possibly some sexual activity but it wasn’t rape.

All of this confirms why he should never ever have been charged. Brittany’s problem has always been Sharaz, as Janet A’s latest piece confirms.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 9:52 pm

“Had a coffee with him that morning?”

You’re confused.
Higgins left PH at 10.30 am in a cab, went home.

The plot looks like Lehrmann didn’t want Higgins around anymore so he pretended he’d been sacked and the COS tried to bluff Higgins out of her job.
Higgins wasn’t having that, so she called their bluff and they folded.

Basically, Lehrmann’s told a lotta lies and painted himself into a corner.

It was Mae West who opined:
Even the dumbest woman can outsmart a man when she’s got to.
and that maxim was never truer than in this case.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 4, 2023 9:53 pm

Knuckles
As a Colingwood supporter you have my comradare as a Catholic.
As a Catholic you wish to enter heaven.
You can experience heaven on earth now – barrack for Hawthorn.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 9:53 pm

Ed.

Bring your cat to me.

I will wear its pelt as a beanie when it drops below 20 degrees. I will curl up its tail and sew it into the pom pom.

cohenite
June 4, 2023 9:54 pm

Rowan Dean very good about the pride and trannie crap, how kids exposed to this perversion suffer for the rest of their usually short lives full of dissatisfaction and misery, how the kids are butchered and there are now large class actions by the victims.

This trannie garbage is a direct consequence of the SSM and liberation movements. It proves again the old saying that if you give the left an inch they’ll destroy you. You have to draw a line in the sand at the beginning and bash the bastards back under their rocks.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:54 pm

Eddles.

It was in the interview. Did you watch it? It wasn’t said by Brucey, but the voice over by the host.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 9:55 pm

The plot looks like Lehrmann didn’t want Higgins around anymore so he pretended he’d been sacked and the COS tried to bluff Higgins out of her job

Strike me handsome, Cats, Grogarly goes from commentary on polar exploration to a forensic dissection of a rape charge..

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
June 4, 2023 9:57 pm

Don’t get me started on Shackleton.

Seconded.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 9:57 pm

Sorry, they had coffee the following week, I think on Monday.

cohenite
June 4, 2023 9:57 pm

FMD crotchless that last comment by you was incoherent; are you sundowning again.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 9:59 pm

It wasn’t said by Brucey, but the voice over by the host.
In other words, complete fiction.
If it was true, why not raise it at the Trial.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 10:00 pm

Mr Litt:

You can experience heaven on earth now – barrack for Hawthorn.

I think you have the wrong number. You want 1800 MUNTLER.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:02 pm

I

t wasn’t said by Brucey, but the voice over by the host.
In other words, complete fiction.
If it was true, why not raise it at the Trial.

How do you know it wasn’t raised at the trial though?

Rabz
June 4, 2023 10:02 pm

Perhaps she didn’t realise that she had been raped …

… because she was as functional as a newt?

One of the grate mysteries of life this entire Hoggins Lehrmann contretemps is not.

They should never have been let into that windbag shitshop at 2:30am on a Saturday morning in the first frigging place.

All four of the staggeringly useless incompetent imbeciles should have been jobsacked by 9:00am the following Monday morning if not earlier.

The End.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:04 pm

All four of the staggeringly useless incompetent imbeciles should have been jobsacked by 9:00am the following Monday morning if not earlier.

There were an other two in the office having a leg-over? 🙂

johanna
johanna
June 4, 2023 10:05 pm

Hey, all.

Been away because I tripped, fell and and broke my arm, then spent almost a week in Canberra Hospital thanks to delays and cancellations of treatment.

It was an eye opener in terms of the state of public health care in that hospital, at least.

I can only type with one hand for the next six weeks. Contributions will be sparse. But there will be a few comments about the hospital experience in terms of public health and public expenditure.

First one below.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:05 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 4, 2023 at 9:28 pm
So, why did Linda Reynolds fire Lehrmann first thing Tuesday morning?

It was Wednesday morning.
And it was handled by the CoS.
Lehrmann was called in first and was told he had breached security protocols. As this was his second breach he was goneski. He comes out of the CoS office and starts packing his stuff up to leave the building. Britnah sees this and shits her pants (fortunately, Wednesday was a “pants on” day). She thinks her glittering career might be over too. In her meeting with the CoS out pops the firsr reference to some unwanted hanky-panky. The “R” word was not used then, but this was the first suggestion of anything untoward.
And yet we still have people running around talking about “deep cleaning” to get rid of evidence on Sunday and Monday.
The cleaning was to get rid of the cocktail of Cadbury Favourites and ministerial Chivas Regal coughed up by Britnah all over the carpet.

Cassie of Sydney
June 4, 2023 10:06 pm

Was Eddie was on the jury that was discharged?

Rabz
June 4, 2023 10:07 pm

On a brighter note, here’s Paul Wallee attempting to placate a Miss Personage.

Before she dumps him to go off and have a tawdree affair with a politician … 🙁

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:07 pm

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JCsays:

June 4, 2023 at 9:57 pm

Sorry, they had coffee the following week, I think on Monday.

Espresso, cold filtered or instant?

Rabz
June 4, 2023 10:08 pm

johanna

Sorry to hear it, Squirette. Have a speedy recovery.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 10:09 pm

Been away because I tripped, fell and and broke my arm, then spent almost a week in Canberra Hospital thanks to delays and cancellations of treatment.

All the best for a full recovery, johanna.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:10 pm

Wow, sounds like it hurt. Get well.

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 10:12 pm

It isn’t. Are you saying that morality must be something ‘out there’

not at all.
I’m saying that morality is always downstream of culture
and that it gets made up as we go along

didn’t you say earlier that relativistic morality was ‘absurd’?
am I to take it that you also mean an ‘absolute’ morality is absurd?

you dismissed the notion that a quanta of morality is in-built
and waved away the idea that we can even question where it came from

it still sounds to me like you’re arguing that morality is indeed absolute
am I wrong in my impression?

help me … please explain

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 10:13 pm

How do you know it wasn’t raised at the trial though?

I followed the Trial and it would have been startling evidence that would have been reported.
Let’s say it did happen:
Lehrman was absolutely insistent that no rooting took place.
So he could hardly bring up a Monday morning coffee and then his barrister not ask Higgins any questions about that.
This was Lehrmann’s problem, he told so many lies that he couldn’t give evidence himself and Higgins presented as a pretty good witness [some say actress] so any sympathy for him is totally misplaced.

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 4, 2023 10:13 pm

Did they dust Reynolds’ sofa for gypsum?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:14 pm

You’ve obviously been here. Wifey has a little hideaway just next to the kitchen filled with freaking cook books.

Same, same at Casa Panzer.
Not a room full, but I swear if I live to 100 we couldn’t eat half the dishes in the books.

And I still pine for mammas cooking, who had one cookbook.

I don’t cook much, but one of my go-tos is a simple amatriciana sauce which is totally fool-proof and pretty, pretty good.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:14 pm

Lehrmann was called in first and was told he had breached security protocols. As this was his second breach he was goneski.

Can you explain his thinking here? He was found out the first time and threatened if he did it again he was cactus. Obviously, he would have been aware security schleps would’ve told on him the second time around too. Why did he do it? It was a one street to “HR”.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 4, 2023 10:14 pm

Been away because I tripped, fell and and broke my arm…

A week in the bin for a break isn’t trivial – delays notwithstanding.

All the best.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 4, 2023 10:15 pm
JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:18 pm

Trans

Knock it off with the culture thing as you’re so boring. My lord, you’re so low energy.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 10:20 pm

Geez, not a single bloke here who has chewed his arm off after making a bad decision. sigh…
You know we girls have been taught from infancy that all males are reptiles, so you know the arm grows back.
I truly believed KD may have lost several arms throughout his time in the Never Never, but he only seems to be interested in boiled or fried kitties. sad.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 10:21 pm

Lehrmann was called in first and was told he had breached security protocols. As this was his second breach he was goneski.

Bullshit.
There was no breach.
Both of them were entitled to enter Reynolds offices 24/7/365 so long as they were on the book as working for her.
The Security Guard checked their names, then escorted them to Reynolds Office and unlocked the door.

Crossie
Crossie
June 4, 2023 10:22 pm

johanna says:
June 4, 2023 at 10:05 pm
Hey, all.

Been away because I tripped, fell and and broke my arm, then spent almost a week in Canberra Hospital thanks to delays and cancellations of treatment.

Bummer, hope you’re on the mend now.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 4, 2023 10:23 pm

SAS veterans lash Ben Roberts-Smith’s courtroom tactics
By Nick McKenzie and Tom Steinfort
June 4, 2023 — 8.30pm

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Special forces veterans have lashed out at war criminal Ben Roberts-Smith over courtroom attacks on his fellow soldiers in the witness box in which they were labelled as cowards, liars or mentally unwell.

Former SAS members have also urged Australians to accept the grim conclusion of Federal Court judge Anthony Besanko that the Victoria Cross recipient murdered prisoners and civilians, while demanding authorities consider stripping Roberts-Smith of his contested military decorations.

“I think many people are having a hard time reconciling the fact that someone they thought was a national hero is in fact the complete opposite – found by a court to be a bully, a liar and a murderer,” said one of those who testified against Roberts-Smith.

This witness, an ex-SAS soldier, has been named Soldier Y by this masthead to protect his identity and respect court orders. Soldiers’ names were suppressed during the Roberts-Smith defamation trial under the National Security Information Act, but Soldier Y agreed to speak exclusively to this masthead using a pseudonym.

“It’s a tough pill to swallow, especially for a country that’s believed the lies for so long. But in the [Special Air Service] Regiment, we’d much prefer those hard truths over those comforting fantasies,” the Afghanistan veteran said.

“We are not above the law, we’re not above the rules of engagement. If anything, the expectation for us to adhere to the laws around conflict should be higher than anyone in the entire ADF. [Roberts-Smith] felt he was above all that … that those rules didn’t apply to him.”

Besanko is expected to release his detailed judgment on Monday after speaking only to a summary on Thursday when he threw out Roberts-Smith’s defamation claim finding the allegations against him were proven true.

This masthead has spoken to several witnesses about their experience giving evidence in the defamation trial brought by Roberts-Smith. All have their identities suppressed and, to protect their anonymity, precise details from their interviews cannot be revealed.

None are still serving in the SAS. But Soldier Y agreed for his interview to be aired on 60 Minutes and published in this masthead.

Dusty Miller, a former SAS medic who served in Afghanistan and who in 2020 revealed war crimes involving an SAS soldier not tied to the case, said the finding was vindication for those who testified in court about Roberts-Smith’s now proven involvement in summary executions.

Miller served with several of the SAS witnesses who testified and said they displayed physical courage in fighting for their country and moral courage in exposing a war hero who threatened and intimidated those who challenged his lies.

Former special forces medic Dusty Miller has sought forgiveness from the Afghan children of a man allegedly stomped to death by another senior special forces soldier.

Miller also warned of ongoing efforts to deride veterans who testified honestly about Roberts-Smith.

“The truth sometimes is still not enough because the myth and the legend is far stronger. There are still going to be a large majority of people out there that will not accept this,” he said.

Soldier Y said some veterans were badly shaken by attacks during cross-examination. At least two SAS veterans broke down after testifying.

Along with being accused of jealousy and cowardice, some soldiers were quizzed about whether the mental trauma they suffered as a result of their wartime service had impacted on their credibility as witnesses. During the court case, Roberts-Smith’s barristers acted on his instructions.

For years, Roberts-Smith has claimed the war crimes allegations were invented by jealous rivals in the SAS and published to harm his subsequent employer, Seven West Media.

“I think most of these blokes have never even seen the inside of a courtroom before and here they are being asked to relive tough experiences – and at the same time they were also being accused of lying and incompetence, and conspiring against BRS by his lawyers,” Soldier Y said. “For some blokes it was pretty tough.”

One witness, a medic, was pressed by Roberts-Smith’s barrister, Arthur Moses, SC, about whether he had witnessed the death of Afghans and whether this had caused the soldier “any anguish or trauma”?

“It’s never nice to see a dead person regardless of whether they’re an Afghan or Australian,” the witness replied.

Moses responded by asking the medic if dead Afghans were “something that is hard to look at”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:26 pm

JCsays:

June 4, 2023 at 10:14 pm

Lehrmann was called in first and was told he had breached security protocols. As this was his second breach he was goneski.

Can you explain his thinking here? He was found out the first time and threatened if he did it again he was cactus. Obviously, he would have been aware security schleps would’ve told on him the second time around too. Why did he do it? It was a one street to “HR”.

I don’t think it would be an automatic report from security.
It probably required a complaint to be made, and then he might be questioned.
Context is important here.
This was just before the 2019 election which Peanut-head was going to romp in. They all thought they would be out of a job in a few weeks anyway.
I think they headed back there to get stuck into the ministerial drinks cabinet. So what if someone followed up and you got the flick. It isn’t as if it is a lifetime ban or anything. You just pop up at another office post election. Shit, in public service and ALP/Greens circles you’d be a bit of a legend for raiding Linda’s drinks fridge. Remember the foggats who jerked off on Lib members desks?
Any career damage there?

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:26 pm

Pogria says:
June 4, 2023 at 10:20 pm

Some of us, likely KD included, may have only entertained nothing below 9.38. Some of us have very high standards. Perhaps you’re speaking from experience, Progrom? You ended up with a closet filled with chewed-up arms?

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 10:27 pm

all males are reptiles, so you know the arm grows back

** chuckles

Jorge
Jorge
June 4, 2023 10:28 pm

Lehrmann explained the ‘failure’ to check this way:
She accompanied him. She asked if she could go with him. He didn’t ask her to go. She heard him saying he was leaving the bar to go back to PH and had something that needed finishing up there. She told him she wanted to take care of some work also.
When they got past security he turned left and she went right, down a corridor to her office area.
He had been talking in the bar to someone from Defence who had passed on important info and he wanted to get it on paper while fresh. Burney was a new minister facing a grilling on those matters on the Monday and it was important she be armed with the info in his notes.
He was working. He thought pantless was working. The 7 journo tried to suggest if he really was a gentleman he would have checked but it wasn’t necessary as she wasn’t helplessly drunk, she was working in her office as she had told him she needed to. So he took the exit. His mind wasn’t on her.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 10:28 pm

Johanna,
I will be down your way one day this week. I can bring you some soup. Send me a line through Dover. Hope you’re receiving some assistance. All the best.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 4, 2023 10:30 pm

Cassie 5:24 pm
1st & 2nd wave feminism. This behaviour was new to me. I was bought up not to touch and other peoples property was sacred.
Most males would not do what that male did to you.
He got what he deserved but it had nothing to do with feminism.

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 10:32 pm

“You ended up with a closet filled with chewed-up arms?”

A Lady never tells.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 4, 2023 10:32 pm

johannasays:
June 4, 2023 at 10:05 pm

Hey chook. I’ll rub my bum against yours on the way to purchase a drink at the bar. Sleep well.

Tangerine Dream – Le Parc (L.A. – Streethawk), live by Kebu @ Sthlm Italo Disco Party 2015

Rabz
June 4, 2023 10:33 pm

I see that Miss Love‘s (alleged) notoriety is now preceding her.

The braindead lamestream meeja is callously attempting to portray her as a total psychopath.

Not having it, I tells ya!

She’s just prone to the odd temperamental outburst around that time of the month (which I can predict well enough to be on another continent when they might allegedly happen).

She loves li’l Henry and li’l bunny rabbits. The cuteness.

Jorge
Jorge
June 4, 2023 10:33 pm

Reynolds, not Burney. F.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 4, 2023 10:33 pm

The supposed reason Lehrmann was sacked was a breach of the code of conduct.
That’s nothing to do with Security Guards, it’s something that Reynolds Political Staffers sign on to.
So why wasn’t Higgins sacked?
Because she hadn’t signed on to the Code of Conduct.
In other words, if you’re in the Office after COB Tuesday to Friday, you’re in breach of the CoC?
It’s just bullshit made up on the run.
Higgins was a Political Staffer, they coulda fired her any time they liked.
So, why didn’t they, sin ce they were obviously not happy with her?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 4, 2023 10:36 pm

You ended up with a closet filled with chewed-up arms?

I will just say that I’ve had to buy a lot of replacement watches over the journey, and leave it at that.

If it takes you longer than 10 seconds to locate your wallet, keys and smokes (pro tip – strategically place them between the bed and the door, minimising the chance of waking someone up on your way out) you’re doing it wrong.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:37 pm

Googlery, are you Shane Dumgold, DPP?
I mean, you sound as thick and as pig-ignorant of the law as him, so it makes me think you could be.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 10:37 pm

“Apparently, the following morning they had a coffee together.”

Who has coffee with someone you think raped you the night before?

BAM.

It’s over. She got her $3 mn though.

Rabz
June 4, 2023 10:38 pm

So, why didn’t they, since they were obviously not happy with her?

Because they* realised to their horror, that she was a Lizard People operative, Eddles.

You don’t jobsack them and get away with it. Think Darth Vader and his unhappiness with various events in the second star wars fillum.

*Presumably the stupid forking gliberals

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 10:38 pm

Since finding our wretched selves stranded in such a dire circumstance

we have resorted finally to eating the dog livers and the last of the Uber dumplings

I’m afraid that should my condition deteriorate further, I may have to chew off my own arm for survival.

If write nothing further, you’ll know it was pen-hand

god help us all

JC Shackelton

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:39 pm

If it takes you longer than 10 seconds to locate your wallet, keys and smokes (pro tip – strategically place them between the bed and the door, minimising the chance of waking someone up on your way out) you’re doing it wrong.

When the oversized repro railway station clock chimes 4 times, that is your cue.

johanna
johanna
June 4, 2023 10:40 pm

Cant and Cleanliness

The entrances, exits, passageways and bathrooms are slathered with Covid propaganda, hand sanitisers and boxes of masks. We are urged to be ‘Covid aware’ by washing our hands, wearing masks and using the hand sanitisers available everywhere.

Yet the hospital itself is filthy.

In five days, I saw one cleaner in my ward. One.

The floor of my cubicle in a two person room was reminiscent of an old style pub on Sunday morning – it was literally sticky. On the second day, I spotted a cleaner (a slack-jawed Chinese girl) and asked her if she could wash my floor. When I came back, you could see the stripes on the floor where she had washed – and the parts that she missed.

The bedside tables were not even wiped down the whole time I was there. I ended up doing it myself every day, using the freely available hand sanitiser.

The bathroom featured poo on the toilet seat for days, discarded used adult nappies, and piss all over the floor. And a sign about hygiene and Covid ‘awareness.’

Any private business remotely that disgusting would be instantly shut down by the same Health Department that runs the hospital.

About 30 years ago I had an operation in the old Canberra Hospital. It was filthy too. There was black mould growing in every corner in the bathroom.

No wonder people leave hospital with infections. Basic cleanliness is not a priority for the armies of bureaucrats whose concept of management is sitting in their offices generating ‘reports.’

Real Deal
Real Deal
June 4, 2023 10:42 pm

Hope you heal well, Joh. Take up Pogria’s soup offer, very thoughtful. Don’t stir porridge with your bad arm.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:42 pm

I love AI Reader’s Digest philosophy.
It’s tops.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 4, 2023 10:42 pm

Ed’s halitosis permeating the blog again I see.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:43 pm

Keep the travelogues coming Joh!

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 4, 2023 10:43 pm

Hope you are ok johanna.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 10:44 pm

The bathroom featured poo on the toilet seat for days, discarded used adult nappies, and piss all over the floor. And a sign about hygiene and Covid ‘awareness.’

About 30 years ago I had an operation in the old Canberra Hospital. It was filthy too. There was black mould growing in every corner in the bathroom.

Take photos next time.

I’ve visited private hospitals more often than public and this doesn’t fly, the LCM has standards.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 4, 2023 10:44 pm

It sounds like Joh was staying at Sal’s backpacker hostel.

JC
JC
June 4, 2023 10:45 pm

Trans

I know it’s that time of night, you’re drunk and you want to stoush. I’m in a loving mood this evening and won’t go there, but boy you’re low energy.

Seriously, this bullshit about morality being downstream from culture (or the other way around) , how many times do you have to repeat the same bullshit? You’re so low energy. Some god oracle you turned out be Mr.Unsain Bolt in reverse. Go to bed.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Drumgold has a very squeaky/gay voice.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 4, 2023 10:47 pm

Tom 4/6 @ 5:27
I do not understand how this is fascists gaining revenge from the loss of the war in the 1940’s.
All I see/,feel is Marxism – by people who do not know what it means – to me it’s headonism.
The orgie on the hill, no one wants to work and everyone is outdoing everyone in killing people simply because the differ from them.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It sounds like Joh was staying at Sal’s backpacker hostel.

Please explain.

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 10:51 pm

I love AI Reader’s Digest philosophy

don’t worry sancho,
pretty sure everybody knows that your’e not much of a deep thinker

and just in case your really are as stupid as you sound,
thanks for the ramp

Pogria
Pogria
June 4, 2023 10:53 pm

Sancho is a fan of Harry Potter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUPWpvVCLzE

Gabor
Gabor
June 4, 2023 11:02 pm

Boambee John says:
June 4, 2023 at 9:47 pm

Who has coffee with someone you think raped you the night before?

Perhaps she didn’t realise that she had been raped until her job was at risk?

Maybe I should’ve paid more attention at the time, but what was she so generously compensated for, other than helping labor win the election?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 4, 2023 11:06 pm
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Oic, haha, now I understand – yep.
Y’all are expected to pay your hostel bills promptly.
Joh now knows to pay up on time.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

… what was she so generously compensated for, other than helping labor win the election?

It’s not just to reward our Britnah for services rendered, but for the information of all other slappers who’re Liberal party staffers.

Three-Million-Bucks are on offer.

PeterM
PeterM
June 4, 2023 11:19 pm

Re Johanna @ 1040:

And now the ACT govt wants to take over Calvary Public and run it the same way.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 4, 2023 11:31 pm

Cassie
Squeamish about sex – yep there is so much talk that most of it is unnecessary.
But you women go on and on and on about it, but you never act on it.
One observation – wimminz who just talk and talk and talk about sex never act on sex.
You use it as a power thing where now males can get arrested.
Boys – get men jobs in the outback, visit town once per week or month and then go back to your purposeful lives under the endless blue skies of the outback.

MatrixTransform
June 4, 2023 11:41 pm

Absolute morality is arguably a tautology, whereas relative morality is an oxymoron

big thumb

To say, however, that this is only true relative to culture and place, is to deny that it is evil altogether

well, there’s a conundrum that’s for sure
poor old Aztecs

Yes, I am

you’re a good man dover
now tell me from whence it comes

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 11:43 pm

One hand typing is better than one hand clapping, Joh, which is what you get if you go Zen.

Take care with that break, and keep in touch re progress.
Slow typing comes out the same as fast typing. Take your time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 11:48 pm

Sunday night dinner is the high spot of the week.

It is now at our place. Hairy has discovered the joys of making a proper roast. I am banned from the kitchen Sunday nites and he and Chef Google go to town. The roast spuds tonight were to die for, and the beef was rare and melting. He hasn’t got on to gravy yet, so we have some ‘ready made’ stuff. My foodie boyfriend from the inter-regnum period would find that disgraceful, but we somehow manage.

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 11:49 pm

No really!

She’s seriously trying to avoid COVID and concussions! I’m 2023!

[It’s a real business, the name uses a non English spelling (like how her name is Turkish).]

Via “Clown Planet”

SPACEMAN goes to Multnomah County (Portland, OR) Commission meeting.

https://youtu.be/_FMbLLzes0Y

Top comment:

Just because you can speak articulately and cohesively doesn’t mean you haven’t got mental health issues … 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 4, 2023 11:51 pm

But you women go on and on and on about it, but you never act on it.

Who sez?

Dot
Dot
June 4, 2023 11:53 pm

IN 2023

Good. Lord.

:frowny face:

Damn you autocorrect!

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