Open Thread – Weekend 17 June 2023


An Out-of-Doors Study, John Singer Sargent, 1889


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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 6:39 pm

Meetings coming up, through the West Australian wheatbelt, about the new Aboriginal Heritage Legislation. Second and third generation farmers, on freehold land are not happy….two expat South African, one forced off his family farm in the Transvaal, are furious, to say the least…….

johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 6:40 pm

Super snazzy looking wheels, Rabz! 🙂

Youse wimps (I’m surprised at you, Rabz as a former denizen) should try living around here. Maxima struggling to get into double figures, wind chill keeping it even lower. Below zero every night.

I firmly believe that a bit of cold weather is good for the constitution – provided of course that a properly warmed refuge is available. Despite the increasing infirmities of age, I do walk almost every day (draw the line at driving rain). While it is not always agreeable to leave the warmth, I have to say that on returning I do feel braced and stimulated, with a bit of rose in the cheeks.

That said, the skyrocketing energy prices for those who live around here must be causing a lot of misery, especially for those on fixed incomes. I have the heating on all day unless I am out or napping, and it would cost at least $250 a week at current prices for my small space. Fortunately it is included in the price where I live – it’s a bargain considering the alternatives.

I can’t imagine how pensioners and low income earners (especially those with children) are managing. When I moved to Canberra for the first time in the 1970s, it had the cheapest energy prices in the country. Even impoverished students in draughty group houses could afford to stay warm.

Thanks to ‘progress,’ thousands of people are shivering at home and dreading their energy bills, and students are not so impoverished as many have rich parents from the Asian elites who arrange comfortable accommodation for the sprogs.

Anyone who has visited Parliament House and many Departmental buildings in Canberra in winter knows that, if anything, they are overheated. While pensioners and stay at home parents shiver, government employees have at least eight hours a day of paid for comfort. Their domestic heating requirements are considerably less than those on much lower incomes.

I think it will need a charismatic leader and popular movement to rise up and hit these parasites and ideologues in the chops and the nads before anything will change. No politician or public servant is suffering – yet.

cohenite
June 18, 2023 6:41 pm

Meetings coming up, through the West Australian wheatbelt, about the new Aboriginal Heritage Legislation. Second and third generation farmers, on freehold land are not happy….two expat South African, one forced off his family farm in the Transvaal, are furious, to say the least…….

First port of call, track down McGowan.

rosie
rosie
June 18, 2023 6:45 pm

The obvious thing to do with any ruling is to see how much it differs from the ruling it replaces.
I’m not seeing any significant gotchas.
Eg section 80 goes on to say if you rent out your family home on an arm’s length basis etc

Retaining your dwelling in Australia does not necessarily mean that you remain a resident. It will depend on the circumstances and reasons for its retention. To illustrate:

mem
mem
June 18, 2023 6:54 pm

Australian made men’s eggplant purple flared jeans. Just the thing! https://www.chaosbazaarvintage.com.au/product/vintage-mr-guy-eggplant-purple-70s-flared-pants-33/

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 6:57 pm

We’re under attack from the political class from all directions- property rights, water, energy, housing, immigration. They work for foreign interests.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 7:02 pm

Daniel Ellsberg, Pentagon Papers whistleblower, dies at 92

By Joseph Pisani
5:07PM June 18, 2023
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Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the secret history of the Vietnam War that became known as the Pentagon Papers, has died. He was 92.

Ellsberg died Friday morning in his home in Kensington, Calif., according to a statement from his family. He had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in February, the family said.

“Daniel was a seeker of truth and a patriotic truth-teller, an anti-war activist, a beloved husband, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, ” his family’s statement said. “He will be dearly missed by all of us.” Born in Chicago in 1931, Ellsberg studied economics at Harvard and eventually landed at Rand Corp. in 1959 as a strategic analyst. He worked as a consultant with the White House and Defence Department.

After several years’ working for the government, he returned to Rand in 1967 and worked on a top-secret study of the Vietnam War. Two years later, Ellsberg photocopied the 7000-page study on US decision-making in Vietnam and gave it to the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Two years later, he shared it with the New York Times, which published parts of it in June 1971. It would become a turning point in the war.

Ellsberg told The Wall Street Journal in 2010 he had studied every word of the Pentagon Papers and carefully weighed whether their release would harm anyone.

“I had read all of it and made a judgment of the 7000 papers and concluded they deserved to be out and would not harm any Americans,” he said.

He eventually leaked the Pentagon Papers to 19 newspapers, he wrote on his website.

“For all these papers to publish these ‘secrets’ successively – in the face of four federal injunctions and daily charges by the attorney-general and the president that they were endangering national security – amounted to a unique wave of civil disobedience by major American institutions,” he said.

mem
mem
June 18, 2023 7:05 pm

Went to lunch at brother’s today for family gathering. They are all lefty and one nephew works in renewables industry. Nothing said all day about any of the controversial subjects. As leaving commented on the new double story opposite and the fact that there were no window furnishings. Huh, says brother, they probably got their first electricity bill and can’t afford the extras! I also noted my bro had no heating on at all today even though it was quite cold. I think the cracks are appearing.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 7:07 pm

OK people, I’m off now to watch Dancing With The Stars. I will be back later.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 7:08 pm

There are some truly vile pollimuppetts but nastiest of all award would be a toss us between “Dr” Emerson and the SLF (IMO).

rosie
rosie
June 18, 2023 7:09 pm

Pensioners in Canberra should spend their days in the public areas of parliament house.
A quiet protest.

jupes
jupes
June 18, 2023 7:12 pm

This one. The F40 Spider.

Wow. Hard to disagree with him.

Vicki
Vicki
June 18, 2023 7:14 pm

Meetings coming up, through the West Australian wheatbelt, about the new Aboriginal Heritage Legislation. Second and third generation farmers, on freehold land are not happy….two expat South African, one forced off his family farm in the Transvaal, are furious, to say the least…….

And this is even before the Voice is decided!!!

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 7:15 pm

It’s another putsch by the political class.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 7:17 pm

And this is even before the Voice is decided!!!

The local Greenies are very sternly reminding the peasantry that the “Voice” and this legislation are entirely separate issues….

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 7:21 pm

NSW, QLD and WA can sink the voice.

Good. We shouldn’t have race-based laws.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 7:22 pm

Mel
They are just waiting for the latest programming to be uploaded from their ABCcess.
Corporate profits is getting a bit of a run, but how to square that with renew- balls and saving the planet is a hassle.

I suspect a major outage in a coal fired plant will get the blame.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 7:24 pm

The local Greenies are very sternly reminding the peasantry that the “Voice” and this legislation are entirely separate issues….

Their logic of successfully selling an idea is not very strong. They want people to understand that, in being unrelated, the WA legislative changes will have to take into account the voice changes. Let’s see how that works.

Vicki
Vicki
June 18, 2023 7:25 pm

Rabz – just told husband that you are buying a BMW M3 Z4. He said, “That’s a rocket ship!”. Won’t tell him about your plan to drive down through the Royal National Park – he’ll want to get the Audi R8 out & drive down with you! He ’s only done 3,000km in it in 4 years – but every drive is savoured.

Tom
Tom
June 18, 2023 7:29 pm

Our route took us up through the Baring Strait, along the IDL just inside US airspace, then around the top and down through the North Sea. The re-jig added two hours to the trip. Thanks warring numpties, much appreciated.

Calli, my apologies for the fascists on either side of the Russia-Ukraine border, but it’s splendid you are safe and able to deliver us your marvellous travelogues. Thank God.

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 7:29 pm

BMW M3 Z4

a work mate of mine George, was leaving the underground carpark in his pretty blue Z4 that he’d just picked up somewhere.

he was passing us as a group and he had one of those BMW smiles on his dial

flagged him down with an urgent-gotta-talk-to-you immediately waves

so he stops and pulls the window down

I says, “you didn’t tell us you have a new girlfriend”

he goes, “I don’t”

I said, ” well, whose car are you driving then?”

he called me a colourful name

johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 7:33 pm

All ‘conservative’ parties in the West have this problem:

Twenty Republicans Save Adam Schiff from Censure
By Rajan Laad

Fox News reports that twenty Republicans in the House of Representatives sided with most Democrats in voting against a resolution that would have censured Rep. Adam Schiff, (D-Calif.), for repeatedly peddling the hoax that former President Donald Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.

The reprehensible Schiff was one of the foremost proponents of the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. He repeated the falsehood in every forum possible. With every appearance, the lies became more ridiculous. He even claimed that Trump was an asset to the Kremlin. This wasn’t a mistake on Schiff’s part. Schiff knew these were fabrications, but he said it anyway. His actions were purposeful and malicious. The Democrats had assigned him the task of running their biggest disinformation campaign, and he did it without caring about the effects it would have on the nation.

Such was his desperation that Schiff fell prey to a prank by Russian radio hosts who told him that they were in possession of compromising images of President Trump.

The Trump-Russia collusion hoax caused instability in D.C. and, indeed, all over the U.S. It retarded the speed of Trump implementing the MAGA agenda. It probably cost the GOP the House during the mid-terms of 2018. Once the Democrats had control of the House it was a barrage of hoaxes.

But beyond all that, it was an attempt to undo the public mandate. It was part of a coup to unseat President Trump after he was elected by the citizens of America.

It’s the traitors within that continually undermine conservative parties, because they are careerists who only care about saving their skin at the next election. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is more important than that.

I see today that some woman National whose name I forget (but this is her chance to lift her profile) is endorsing the execution of Van and the rest of the charade about sexual politics in Parliament House. She even provided partial cover for Gallagher, using the sophistry of ‘confidentiality.’

The MSM is thrilled, nothing like a bit of bloodletting to generate headlines.

Meanwhile, props to the Daily Mail for the latest revelations about Brittie and Sharaz cooking up a political hit job well in advance, including Gallagher getting a copy of the Project transcript four days before transmission.

TheirABC is sticking to stories about how many ‘programs’ are crying out for more taxpayer funds, as usual.

On another topic, TheirABC ran a story last week about the need for more taxpayer funds for airstrips and medical facilities near some dirt road in western Queensland. Apparently it is a favourite spot for daredevil motorbike riders to go and do daredevil stuff. In the last month, two have come to grief and experienced serious injuries. It is an outrage that taxpayers are not funding more airstrips and outfitting nearby properties with first aid facilities so that these daredevils (until they’re not) can do their thing.

Eejits.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 7:33 pm

That pub looks very nice, Rabz. Makes me want to take a drive down there.

Rabz
June 18, 2023 7:38 pm

he’ll want to get the Audi R8 out & drive down with you

Vicki – then he should.

That drive through the Royal National Park from Sutherland to Clifton is one of the World’s great drives.

Made for sports cars. The U bends at the end are a particularly nice touch and the tarmac half way through becomes super slippery in winter when the Sun just does not get through. Lots of dappled sunlight as well, at any time of the year.

Then you emerge on the shoulder of the Pacific. Just bloody breathtaking. 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 7:39 pm

“It’s the traitors within that continually undermine conservative parties, because they are careerists who only care about saving their skin at the next election. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is more important than that.”

Yes.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 18, 2023 7:42 pm

Top Ender……

Their quest for “diversity” etc is actually very silly. For if you follow their “logic” then there should be a quota for Greek-Australians, or short people, or very tall people, or those with red hair.

And descendants of Irish convicts like me : Hobart 1818 on Minerva.

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Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 7:43 pm

I think the cracks are appearing

We need those cracks to become great big cavernous ones, mem. Huge things that will force all those swayed by the touchy-feely vibe to get it good and proper quickly.

That’s the only way to force politicians to change policy; when it hits their poll numbers.

Makka
Makka
June 18, 2023 7:47 pm

That’s the only way to force politicians to change policy; when it hits their poll numbers.

Great choice we have here. Hard Left or Not Quite As Hard Left.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 7:50 pm

feelthebern says:
June 18, 2023 at 5:30 pm
Question.
Is the Green Knight in the top ten worst movies made?

Dark Knight Rises has to be one of the top 10 best ever made.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 18, 2023 7:50 pm

Hey man! You seen dem ads for folks who’s retired and then woiken in da veg gardens?
I reckon if you’s still able to jive in dem gardens, youse can ge da fuck out of the retirement gig and live where you was.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 18, 2023 7:51 pm

Fuck you too. Moderation pricks.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 7:52 pm

Train trip to Austinmer from Sydney is good too Rabz.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 18, 2023 7:53 pm

Christian Bale was the best Batman.
The Green Knight was a case too many mushrooms in the writing room.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 18, 2023 7:54 pm

The train trip from Central to Wollongong is nice in the middle of the day when the train is half empty.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 18, 2023 7:56 pm

The aura of NATO will take a hammering from this stillborn offensive.

I think NATO is seen for it is now.
The funnel through which taxpayers buy defence contractors beach houses & put their kids through 50k per year private schools.
Any actual military action is secondary.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 7:58 pm

“Christian Bale was the best Batman.”

Yes, Bale is one of my favourite actors. He’s superb in everything.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 7:58 pm

Gavin Wanganeen on Dancing With The Stars calls himself the first indigenous AFL player yet he is whiter than I am. Yeah, nah.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 18, 2023 7:59 pm

I find it odd how anyone can say with any certainty what the hell is going on in Ukraine.
Apart from blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines.
That was a Ukraine/US party.

Rabz
June 18, 2023 7:59 pm

It’s almost as if the Bananaby Beetrooter is a Labore plant (or vegetable) – he gets away with everything. Turnbuckle lowered the boom on him, then Turnbuckle himself was done over a few months later

Eddles delivering yet more interesting and insightful commentary on political events of no relevance to anyone with a functioning brain (again).

Just give it up, son. You may fancy yourself as the new Pwobes, but the ALPBC is not going to be frantically contacting you with a jerb offer any time soon.

You’ll just have to keep on hypothesising about the many (cue spookee muzak …) spooks and flamers that exist among us.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 8:00 pm

Rabz

You’ll need a second car. Convertibles should only be driven jn summer. Kind of like the American rule that you only wear linen between Memorial and Labor Days.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 8:03 pm

Feelthebern

Report for reducation, room 101.
The gruinaid loved the movie, especially the casting choices….

….
Universities and the class of people they have spawned have replaced rights decided by birth to rights decided by which people you networked with in uni.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 8:03 pm

Just to compare my skin colour to Gavin Wanganeen’s, I am European and get a deeper tan than Gavin’s by simply hanging out the weekly washing out on the Hills hoist.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 8:03 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 18, 2023 at 7:17 pm
And this is even before the Voice is decided!!!

The local Greenies are very sternly reminding the peasantry that the “Voice” and this legislation are entirely separate issues….

McGowan might well have guaranteed a NO vote in WA.

And even those on suburban blocks less that 1100 sqm might recall the assurances at the time of Mabo/Native Title that they would “not be coming for your suburban backyard”. Well they are now coming for freehold, including some larger suburban backyards. Will the suburbanites still believe that assurance?

John H.
John H.
June 18, 2023 8:04 pm
johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 8:05 pm

Crossie says:
June 18, 2023 at 7:58 pm

Gavin Wanganeen on Dancing With the Stars

I was surprised that there were no Wanganeens in the list of elected members for the Victorian ‘treaty’.

Have they fallen from grace? Or are they hidden under married names?

Muddy
Muddy
June 18, 2023 8:07 pm

It’s the traitors within that continually undermine conservative parties

What conservative parties?
NIMBUC!
(Not In My Bloody Underwater Country).

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
June 18, 2023 8:07 pm

I find it odd how anyone can say with any certainty what the hell is going on in Ukraine.
Apart from blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines.
That was a Ukraine/US party.

Pretty simple really.
If Ukraine were achieving anything strategically significant, it would be all over Western news.

Instead, there is basically blanket media silence now after 12 months, no reports of Ukraine ‘gains’

This means that Ukraine is getting its shit kicked in…

Rabz
June 18, 2023 8:07 pm

JC – I’ve not had a practical car since 1995.

That’s what I love about convertibles. Not having a woife or kiddies helps.

Goils however, do love being driven around in them.

That “wind in their hair” factor.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 8:08 pm

Quite a few pubs along that road worth a look Rabz. That one you linked especially so.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 8:08 pm

Tom, at 11.58:

When are they going to do something about fat chicks?

A question for the ages.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 8:08 pm

He cops a couple of floggings.

—-

Dust:

A hopeless romantic invents a device that allows him an infinite amount of attempts to impress the girl of his dreams…but he must die each time.

You can redo your life, but you have to die first | Sci-Fi Short Film: “CTRL Z”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 8:09 pm

. Will the suburbanites still believe that assurance?

I’ve been rather sternly reminded that ” follow the process you get an outcome. Our country is being destroyed for economic gain and this helps maintain the little pristine we have.”

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 8:13 pm

DB, that vid that Indolent put up the other day – Dr Peter McCullough giving evidence – at the Pennsylvania assembly, I think it was. There’s the true situation in it’s full disgrace. Well worth the watch.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 8:14 pm

Has Danger Dan appeared on Open Forum before?

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 8:15 pm

I was surprised that there were no Wanganeens in the list of elected members for the Victorian ‘treaty’.

More South Australian johanna. Firebrace and Briggs are big in black fella politics as are Thorpe and Bamblett in Victoriastan.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 8:16 pm

And even those on suburban blocks less that 1100 sqm might recall the assurances at the time of Mabo/Native Title that they would “not be coming for your suburban backyard”. Well they are now coming for freehold, including some larger suburban backyards. Will the suburbanites still believe that assurance?

B John

Can you satisfy my curiosity. Are there any specific suburban blocks currently in danger?

Rabz
June 18, 2023 8:18 pm

JC – Convertibles in winter – Raiders Cap, Brando, tartan B&W scarf, leather gloves, black 501s and black suede adidas boxers.

June 2000, driving from Jindabyne to Melbourne. Started at midday expecting to be there by 5:00pm, got caught in a blizzard with the roof down in the Snowy National Park, without chains. Had to turn around and head towards Melbourne via the coastal road.

Arrived at my mate’s place on Bridge Road Richmond at 10:00pm. Absolutely buggered.

Parked the car in the Hospital and then we adjourned to Barassi’s, just across the road.

Good times, although I was lucky to get there in one piece. No phones with detailed maps or GPS, for example.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 8:25 pm

Cassie 17/6 @ 9:57
Paul Kelly point that the higgins affairs was aided by Liberals/ Morrison . To me this shows that truth and decency is trashed. A person who is innocent is framed and ruined by labor and the entertainment industry. No one said hang on let’s investigate this.
Stop making excuses everyone who accused Lerhamm and accused the Liberals of ha,ving a problem with females.
The issue is the student union in Labor. They are sick, unskilled and gutless – they hide in their throng a gang.
I am about to loose it as the misses and the widow next door came over for a drink and I cracked it about Merkel o Bama Toni blair macaron – who they think are wonderful.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 8:28 pm

JC, earlier, and apropos of the pajama lady arrest in The Rat some time back:

If you were on duty at the time and the call came to action the order, what would you have done?
1. Refuse to act and resign?
2. Arrest a pregnant woman?

Vicki at 2.54:

JC, that is a fair question in the context of the debate that has continued for some time on this blog.

I don’t know – call in sick?

Firstly (and allegedly, not to mention apparently): I have heard it said that as an investigator, your job is your job. Not your bosses’ job, not the Premiers’ job. Your job. And while looking at that job, you need to a) look at its context, and most importantly b) go where the evidence takes you and nowhere else.

Context – Ballababy Lady had all the hallmarks of being a bogan pest who was problematic for Ballarat VicJack Inc people for years. But that’s all she (apparently) was. A master criminal – yeah nah, but yeah nah nah.

Evidence – Allegedly, a charge of incitement must have a little more substance than a Facebook post, particularly one where caution is issued to cause undue disruption to normal punters. Which, incidentally, this particular post contained. Supposedly.

From arms’ length, this looks like a failed ‘gotcha’ moment by local VicJack Inc bosses, intent on ‘uhl teach you er lesson’. Unfortunately they ignored the first two points above, then were apparently silly enough to try and seize the phones of other people present when the search warrant was executed, and which were not listed in the warrant. So they got filmed, and rightly so – for any circumstance, not just this one – and were also filmed making dills of themselves.

Back to whose job (investigation) it is – an arrest is generally a last resort, and for when a summons or something similar will not suffice for a variety of reasons. A preggers chick – who the jacks know, and know well – in PJs, and who tells the jacks about a medical appointment related to that pregnancy that very day may very well fit the bill for a non-arrest at that time.

As someone in charge of that job, you have every right to make that call – backed by all sorts of guidelines and policy.

But they didn’t. Without knowing any more about this job than what’s been in the papers (and yes, this is the MSM that people moan about yet stick to like glue any time something they want to hear or read appears in it) it smacks of the investigator in charge bowing to his/her local shiny-arse’s wishes when there was every chance to do it differently.

The motives of said shiny-arse back in the office – well, that’s open to all sorts of interpretation.

Dragnet
Dragnet
June 18, 2023 8:32 pm

Re Rabz’s Royal National Park / Clifton Coledale run, I grew up from childhood knowing those roads like the back of my hand.
First time I drove it myself (after getting my licence) I “borrowed” my Dad’s 1963 Chevrolet Bel-Air one cold windy night and all was good until I hit a dog at Coledale. Poor mutt deceased. Right near where the Police station was. Local Constable comes out of his combined Police Station / residence to check things out.
The dog had no collar and the Constable couldn’t identify it, so he walked across the road to the cliff edge and chucked it over.
No questions asked, no breath tests administered. Simpler times.
PS I’m a dog lover so I was rather upset.

But gee I loved driving that big lump of Detroit iron !!

Dragnet
Dragnet
June 18, 2023 8:34 pm

Suffice to say that the Chev didn’t ( couldn’t ) negotiate all the bends on the run as elegantly as some other types of cars.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 18, 2023 8:35 pm

white adjacent (she means Asians , both Chinese & Indians)

Do the HR people really say this? How dare they! What a put down.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 8:36 pm

How to increase your lifespan by 50%.

If you want longer than that read the Bible.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 18, 2023 8:38 pm

Rabz, what a babe magnet you are aiming to buy.
You go you good guy. You only live once.
But don’t tell Hairy I said that or he’ll come home with a 70’s Mustang, and I will not be pleased.

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 8:39 pm

The motives of said shiny-arse back in the office – well, that’s open to all sorts of interpretation.

except of course it was the the same bald-headed polis flog that magically appeared in about 5 different “real of a copper” lock-down videos

Ballarat to Collingwood, the guy gets around.

luckily there’s a camera everywhere he goes

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 8:39 pm

Hotez? Who is this prick?

I know most ( nearly all ) of all the evil faarkers in the game … a new name to investigate. Digging required.

—-

Rukshan Fernando:

Joe Rogan Offers Professor Hotez $100,000k To Debate RFK Jnr. on Vaccines

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 8:41 pm

it was the the same bald-headed polis flog that magically appeared in about 5 different “real of a copper” lock-down videos

Then he’s not the shiny-arse, is he?

No.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 18, 2023 8:42 pm

Years ago when my first husband walked out leaving me with two kids under three, I spent my spare money on a new sporty (I thought) Alfa Romeo. But Hairy liked it when his soccer team hooted at his new girlfriend in her Alfa, for I was looking pretty good for 39.

It proved to be a disaster. It got stuck in third gear on one of our romantic trysts away and Hairy had to drive it back like that, very difficult avoiding all traffic lights. It was also badly made and rattled.

I sold it and put in a new kitchen in my Lilyfield house with the proceeds.
Made money instead of wasting it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 8:43 pm

I wonder what happened to the ‘concentration camp’ at Attwood that was an open secret to those ‘in the know’?

Oh, right.

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 8:44 pm

I always as a young lad in Pomgolia going to a village called Upper Upnor. Next door was a village called Lower Upnor. There was no Middle Upnor though……………………………LOL

As a small kid I grew up in a coal mining village, Winlaton Mill, County Durham about a mile up the road was another village, Winlaton Mill no one seemed to find it strange or considered asking the question, “Why?” .. we were just used to knowing who lived in which village, population combined would have been lucky to top 200 .. I suppose, not having many, if any, “outside” visitors made differentiating surplus to requirements .. my WM was 80% family anyway! .. LOL! ..
Nowadayz, with population growth the pair have come together so … problem solved ….!

Rabz
June 18, 2023 8:45 pm

what a babe magnet

But not the beautiful li’l personage who recently fractured my heart, Lizzie. 🙁

Rabz
June 18, 2023 8:47 pm

he’ll come home with a 70’s Mustang

Yes. Mikey needs to do exactly that. 🙂

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 8:47 pm

I just ran an internet speed here in NYC. With, I’m receiving 246.7 mbps. In Australia, it’s around 50. Unreal.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 8:55 pm

Falling Rocks Do Not Stop!

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 8:55 pm

I remember 6 foot snow drifts in Pomgolia as a young lad in 1963
Winter, 1963 .. never to be forgotten if you was in Geordieland tho to be honest, living at the top of Sheriff Hill beside St. John’s Church* we did have a week off school .. there was no way up or down, without skis ….. which for some reason weren’t available … LOL!

*The tip of St. John’s steeple, the highest point in Tyneside ……

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
June 18, 2023 8:55 pm

Just back from a session at the local and chatting with a group of grumpy old farmers.

You haven’t seen grumpy until you have seen (and heard) these old boys “discussing” Sneakers’ aboriginal heritage plan.

Sailors are supposed to have a good vocabulary of filthy swear words, but the locals leave them for dead when it comes to this outrageous bullshit.

I will be very surprised if any farmer actually asks permission from anyone, much less some .gov grifter, to dig a hole or cut down a tree on his property. I foresee massive civil disobedience. I see upthread that Zulu is getting a similar reaction on his patch as well.

I hope the Dorper’s paddock isn’t declared a sacred site come 1 July, the spare bedroom is pretty small and I don’t think they will like the colour scheme.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 8:55 pm
Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 8:55 pm

Was Andrew Probyn let go from the ABC for being male and white?

NICK CATER

Really Nick? Who gives a toss?

Rabz
June 18, 2023 8:56 pm

Made money instead of wasting it

Stop pretending to be one of those mythical “rational consumers”, Squirette.

Ever since gaining my economics degree I’ve been on a mighty quest to encounter and interview a “rational consumer”.

It’s now been over three decades and I’ve emerged empty handed. 🙁

However, in that time I have encountered three Unicorns, Bigfoot and the LochNess Monster. 😕

Muddy
Muddy
June 18, 2023 8:57 pm

Circumspect.

Sorry.
I thought it was random word night.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 8:59 pm

‘Rational Economic Man’- Ever Brian Toohey’s Tumbling Dice? He had a go at the RBA and Treasury but they are probably a lot worse now than they was then.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 9:00 pm

Ever read Brian Toohey’s Tumbling Dice? *

Rabz
June 18, 2023 9:00 pm

I loved driving that big lump of Detroit iron !!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:00 pm
Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:01 pm

Makka says:
June 18, 2023 at 4:39 pm
ie. citizens have Australian taxes levied regardless of where they live
Gillard brought that in, IIRC.

I thought it was that you paid taxes in the country where you lived and earned the money. If not then another country is ripping you off.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 9:02 pm

I will be very surprised if any farmer actually asks permission from anyone, much less some .gov grifter, to dig a hole or cut down a tree on his property.

The bloke facing the wrath of the law here – nine months in the tronk and a twenty thousand dollar fine – was dobbed in by one of his neigbours…..

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 9:02 pm

“Rugged up”. Typical bloody Northerners … ?

https://ibb.co/R9NszD9

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 9:04 pm

The bloke facing the wrath of the law here – nine months in the tronk and a twenty thousand dollar fine – was dobbed in by one of his neigbours…..

despicable

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 9:07 pm

The Van Saga
If he did pinch/ grope Stokers bum my question is how many of you have done that in the workplace.
This question was put to me by my cleaner on our Saturday arvo chat when I’m pushing out jobs.
My reply is never and I could not think of that happening or seeing that happen.
Only aggregating experieNces were with women who had a, chip on their shoulders because they thought they had something to prove, and one was just vile in a posi of authority, not because she had to prove it as a woman but she got off on it – worst she hurting this polite really well mannered girl, happy and gentle of spirit.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:07 pm

On the Arctic Circle, there was a fair bit of bare rock in parts, but quite extensive snow cover as far as the eye could see. It’s summer, nothing that I didn’t expect. A marvellous, rugged landscape, hostile to humans and most wildlife. I understand why the early explorers were drawn to it – a test of endurance and old notions of manliness.

Calli, my cousin’s uncle from her mother’s side travelled through Europe on a motorbike all the way up to the top of Norway. It was his bucket list item.

cohenite
June 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Can you satisfy my curiosity. Are there any specific suburban blocks currently in danger?

In the Lake Macquarie area you cannot put a pool in without 3rd nations approval.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:10 pm

We are at a stage in our culture where we celebrate ugliness and deride beauty.

Calli, Federation Square in Melbourne is ground zero for Australian ugliness.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:11 pm

Mole

They have to comply with what though? We’ve been through this before and the conclusion was that, no, aboriginals couldn’t simply drive up to your driveway and tell you to leave the premises as they were claiming ownership. That’s not happening. There is interference with property rights and that’s for sure, but it’s not going to be wholesale confiscation. In any event, the only entities allowed to confiscate land in Australia are the state and federal governments and only then on just terms … ie market value.. as described by the constitution.

Rabz
June 18, 2023 9:12 pm

shatterzzz – Northern English Roses are the best.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 9:12 pm

Classics!

Dresses below the knee.

Old Movie Stars Dance to Uptown Funk

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 9:13 pm

Ever since gaining my economics degree I’ve been on a mighty quest to encounter and interview a “rational consumer”.

Puts hand up.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:14 pm

Crossie

We have Yagan square, named after a First Nations murderer which has become a magnet for derros. To the extent there is a permanent “ temporary” police station there.
Overseen by a fugly statue of the murderer himself a couple of stories high.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:14 pm

In the Lake Macquarie area you cannot put a pool in without 3rd nations approval.

That’s the same in Victoria and has been the case for the past 20 years. That’s not wholesale confiscation though as some folks here were suggesting during the last time this issue was raised. It’s certainly interference with property rights though.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 9:16 pm

Cassie @ 18/6 @ 7:44am
So Ellis uses her bod to get the attention of the boys who give her a leg up.
Yeah sure, she used her sex appeal to get what she wanted and not her talents.
BTW like mod labour not that smart, impractical and unskilled.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:17 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 18, 2023 at 8:09 pm
. Will the suburbanites still believe that assurance?

I’ve been rather sternly reminded that ” follow the process you get an outcome. Our country is being destroyed for economic gain and this helps maintain the little pristine we have.”

Century or more old farms and suburban blocks of any size are far from “pristine”. When they lie all the time, you have reason to suspect that their motives and not pure.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 9:18 pm

only then on just terms … ie market value.. as described by the constitution.

The Calvary Hospital compulsory takeover has not been done on just terms. I don’t think the ACT has paid anything for it. It simply passed legislation to do it.

C.L.
C.L.
June 18, 2023 9:19 pm

“It’s the traitors within that continually undermine conservative parties, because they are careerists who only care about saving their skin at the next election. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is more important than that.”

It’s that but also something else: mental weakness. These people are nihilistic squishes who don’t believe in anything. They end up loving the respectful tone, the soft questions, the friendly demeanor of journalists and the ‘you know what – he isn’t such a bad bloke after alls’ they suddenly get when they turn on their own.

That empty weakling Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example, just had a lovely chat with Chris Wallace on CNN where his rubbishing of Trump and plea for conservatives to become leftists meant he was treated with great reverence.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:19 pm

white adjacent

Um

1. Black
2. Asian

????

Deros
CHUDS
Blue chickens
Greys
Talking dogs/cats/horses

I am struggling here to come to grips with the concept.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:19 pm

JCsays:
June 18, 2023 at 8:16 pm
And even those on suburban blocks less that 1100 sqm might recall the assurances at the time of Mabo/Native Title that they would “not be coming for your suburban backyard”. Well they are now coming for freehold, including some larger suburban backyards. Will the suburbanites still believe that assurance?

B John

Can you satisfy my curiosity. Are there any specific suburban blocks currently in danger?

JC

No, but around 30 years ago we were assured that they would never even come up for discussion. Now they are included in Heritage legislation. Pardon me if I am cynical.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:20 pm

JC
Parks
State held land
https://www.noongar.org.au/about-settlement-agreement
320,000 hectares sighed over
….

Link doesn’t work on this section
Noongar Standard Heritage Agreement – standard processes for determining when and how to carry out heritage surveys on Noongar Lands

For some reason….

cohenite
June 18, 2023 9:21 pm

That’s the same in Victoria and has been the case for the past 20 years. That’s not wholesale confiscation though as some folks here were suggesting during the last time this issue was raised. It’s certainly interference with property rights though.

Give it time head prefect; loss of property rights is the commie/WEF wetdream. In the meantime if its financially prohibitive for you to do what you want on your property then your property right is non existent.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:22 pm

Rabzsays:

June 18, 2023 at 5:39 pm

And to make the self appointed arbiters of taste on this blogue even more annoyed, I’m about to buy a BMW M3 Z4. ?

Gasp!
It’s … it’s … a sporty Beemer!

C.L.
C.L.
June 18, 2023 9:23 pm

The video of Bill Shorten perving on Kate Ellis that Cassie referred to this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfRP-zifnw

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 9:23 pm

There is interference with property rights and that’s for sure, but it’s not going to be wholesale confiscation

I promise … its only a cold-sore

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 9:24 pm

I will be very surprised if any farmer actually asks permission from anyone, much less some .gov grifter, to dig a hole or cut down a tree on his property. I foresee massive civil disobedience. I see upthread that Zulu is getting a similar reaction on his patch as well.

I always get fascinating when anyone mentions “getting permission” from some authoritive body or other .. out here in South west Sydney “houso” land you just do it! .. there ain’t anyone, in their right mind, coming out to say, “No, no, no” …

Rabz
June 18, 2023 9:25 pm

Anyone who has visited Parliament House and many Departmental buildings in Canberra in winter knows that, if anything, they are overheated.

Joh – about (twenty years ago?) the female members members complained that parlyfax house was underheated so that the male members could get around in suits without discomfort.

While the poor li’l incessantly sexually ‘arrassed ladeez were freezing.

The whinging never stops.

If it was nuked from orbit, the issue above would no longer be of any relevance. To anyone. In this galaxy or the next.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:27 pm

Mole

We may differ on this, but I don’t give a flying turkey about state “owned” parks. If aboriginals end up with those, good for them as I’m personally against the state owning any land. I hope aboriginals find some native ornaments in marine parks whereby the can claim ownership and perhaps open them up to fishing. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 9:27 pm

320,000 hectares sighed over

That was the agreement that was derailed when six Noongars claimed they hadn’t been consulted, and went to Court demanding billions of dollars in compensation?

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:27 pm

A rational consumer isn’t some the most stereotypical Scottish economics lecturer you’ve ever met.

“Och aye laddie, ‘m takin’ tha train tooh inspec’ ma uhn’vest’men’ ‘partments to save $80 on peeeartrol!”

Those were not the days. “Hong Kong is extremely right-wing…” okay dude, calm down.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:28 pm

Rabz says:
June 18, 2023 at 5:39 pm
And to make the self appointed arbiters of taste on this blogue even more annoyed, I’m about to buy a BMW M3 Z4. ?

I think my neighbours have one of those as their weekend car providing the weather is good. For weekdays they have a Honda.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:29 pm

JC

Remember this bait and switch by Howard?
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/why-are-nationals-voters-angry-about-climate-policies-it-s-not-coal-20210415-p57jjp.html

States able to effectively confiscate property without compensation.

I didn’t not think outright grabbing land is much on the cards, just an intimate adding of 10% to the cost of conducting most business which requires any access to land or water.

Morsie
Morsie
June 18, 2023 9:29 pm

The tax situation about overseas work is reasonably simple but quite harsh.If you are working overseas you need to convince the ATO that you are not coming back.If you have property here ,bank accounts etc you have zero chance of convincing them.
Accordingly all your earnings will be taxed in Australia but graciously the ATO will allow you to offset any tax paid in your current country of residence.
It used to be easier to establish foreign residence but it’s hot harder.
I must admit that I haven’t looked at the rules for a while so things may have changed again.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 9:30 pm

Taylor Swift. Some of the most worst music on the planet.

Not here.

“Oh Well” Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac performed by Rumours of Fleetwood Mac

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:30 pm

JC

In any event, the only entities allowed to confiscate land in Australia are the state and federal governments and only then on just terms … ie market value.. as described by the constitution.

The Commonwealth Constitution refers to “just terms”. I’m not sure about the various states, but in NSW there was a notorious case where a farmer effectively had a large part of his land taken out of productive use by the state government, as part of Howard’s “vegetation” get out of jail trick on “carbin” emissions.

It went to the High Court, which rejected any claim for compensation on any terms, just or not.

Rabz
June 18, 2023 9:32 pm

It’s … it’s … a sporty Beemer!

Indeed, Pancho. It will go beautifully with my Bayern München adidas designer range of leisurewear. 🙂

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:32 pm

Z2ka
That court case went all the way to the high court and was dismissed.
That noongar link above has the details

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:34 pm

Dover

Judging by the folks I’ve spoken to, there’s not a great deal of support for what they’ve tried in Trump. Even lefties see it as it is – political- which eventually will come back and bite them on the rear. They can’t stand Trump (lefties) and that don’t like what’s happened.

Upper East Side always pristine though.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:34 pm

Bar Beach Swimmersays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:18 pm
only then on just terms … ie market value.. as described by the constitution.

The Calvary Hospital compulsory takeover has not been done on just terms. I don’t think the ACT has paid anything for it. It simply passed legislation to do it.

IIRC, there is ACT legislation dating back to the 1990s, requiring “just terms”, but the hospital acquisition legislation has a clause specifically exempting this case from that law.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 9:37 pm

Boa bee John
So Cavalry hospital got the Sneakers vs Palmersaurus treatment?

Where the law applies up until you are singled out as a kulak.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 9:39 pm

Z2ka
That court case went all the way to the high court and was dismissed.
That noongar link above has the details

Quite right, but it derailed the process for some years, and there were those of us who were wondering if a similar legal dogfight would be a feature of any “Treaty.”

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:40 pm

It went to the High Court, which rejected any claim for compensation on any terms, just or not.

My understanding is that “just terms” is set on valuation by independent valuers. You get your own, which the state pays for incidentally, and then you negotiate from there. My dad’s farm was set off a main road and the state government confiscated about 40 acres along front boundary for road expansion. It was all pretty reasonable and they were actually quite decent about it. That’s just anecdotal though.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 9:41 pm

Lovely lady … all dramas aside.

Songbird ~ Christine McVie ~ Tribute

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:42 pm

Whoops

With Trump

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
June 18, 2023 9:42 pm

Matrix – That’s interesting you think you noted the same copper – I could have sworn similar in multiple vids over the last few years – thought I was seeing things. Same older white haired cop showing up in a lot of the vision, often acting with unnecessary force.

Turnip
Turnip
June 18, 2023 9:43 pm

ie. citizens have Australian taxes levied regardless of where they live
Gillard brought that in, IIRC.

ATO are prepping for when Bali introduces tax free 5 year visas for foreign sourced income. Remote working makes this very possible to achieve and the loss of their money makes the ATO angry.

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
June 18, 2023 9:44 pm

Are the rational consumer and the man on the Clapham omnibus related?
Asking for a friend.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:46 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:37 pm
Boa bee John
So Cavalry hospital got the Sneakers vs Palmersaurus treatment?

Where the law applies up until you are singled out as a kulak.

Indeed. Remember that much of what Hitler did, at least in the early years, was covered by the Enabling Act. That was enough for consignment to a concentration camp, and property confiscation. Also, most of those executed had at least the form of a trial.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 9:47 pm

Sancho Panser 18/6 @ 9:44am
Garry Glitter is one of yours.

Rabz
June 18, 2023 9:47 pm

Are the rational consumer and the man on Clapham omnibus related?

No. The man on the Clapham omnibus has actually existed at various points in time.

The rational consumer, not so much.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:47 pm

Vicki says:
June 18, 2023 at 7:25 pm
Rabz – just told husband that you are buying a BMW M3 Z4. He said, “That’s a rocket ship!”. Won’t tell him about your plan to drive down through the Royal National Park – he’ll want to get the Audi R8 out & drive down with you! He ’s only done 3,000km in it in 4 years – but every drive is savoured.

My brother in law just did that drive with a friend this afternoon in his Porsche on which he showered $75,000 this year in repairs. He had a wonderful time while my sister and I stayed in where it was warm.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:49 pm

JCsays:

June 18, 2023 at 8:00 pm

Rabz

You’ll need a second car. Convertibles should only be driven jn summer. Kind of like the American rule that you only wear linen between Memorial and Labor Days.

Are there unwritten rules governing tasseled loafers too?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:51 pm

johannasays:

June 18, 2023 at 8:05 pm

Crossie says:
June 18, 2023 at 7:58 pm

Gavin Wanganeen on Dancing With the Stars

I was surprised that there were no Wanganeens in the list of elected members for the Victorian ‘treaty’.

Wanganeen is definitely Aboriginal.
But not Victorian.

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 9:57 pm

Same older white haired cop showing up in a lot of the vision, often acting with unnecessary force

that’s the one

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:58 pm

Rabz says:
June 18, 2023 at 8:07 pm
JC – I’ve not had a practical car since 1995.
That’s what I love about convertibles. Not having a woife or kiddies helps.
Goils however, do love being driven around in them.
That “wind in their hair” factor.

Rabz, we had the same sort of attitude the first time we visited Hawaii with our teenage daughters. We rented a Jeep to drive around Oahu. As soon as we took off the daughters’ hairdos that took ages to arrange went up with the wind. There were lots of complaints from the back seat. The final straw arrived when we stopped for lunch and could not leave anything in the car. That afternoon we returned the Jeep and arranged a sedan for the rest of the stay.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Who is buying the BMW?
A bloke I’m on another forum with is a German Car mechanic (from Tennessee) & he loves BMW – he says his family is fed by their oil leaks.
“If it wasn’t for the oil leaks in them, I’d be out of a job”
Apparently the mechanics call them Bring My Wallet.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:00 pm

I loved driving that big lump of Detroit iron !!

As big as a whale?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 10:03 pm

As big as a whale?

About to set sail?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 10:04 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2J1Ai8i98

Good documentary on the reasons for the delays by Ronnie RAAF in taking on the F 111.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 10:04 pm

I was in primary school and my parents were on the path to divorce in 83.

Stevie Nicks – Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around – Live 1983 US Festival

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:04 pm

Bazball update.
Poms 393/8 declared.
Aussies 386 all out.
Re-set and go again.

rosie
rosie
June 18, 2023 10:05 pm

Seems like the ruling has been updated specifically to cover remotely working from home.
Not surprising, really.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 10:06 pm

Apparently the mechanics call them Bring My Wallet.

In South Africa, BMW was said to stand for “Blak Man Wants.”

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 18, 2023 10:11 pm

MatrixTransform says:
I says, “you didn’t tell us you have a new girlfriend”
he goes, “I don’t”
I said, ” well, whose car are you driving then?”

The equivalent from the 1980s was the Toyota Celica. A real ladies’ hairdresser’s car.

Don’t see any around any more.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:14 pm

That was enough for consignment to a concentration camp, and property confiscation. Also, most of those executed had at least the form of a trial.
All Communist revolutionaries.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 10:14 pm

Cash and Rowdy.

—-

woof bark growl:

Cash 2.0 Great Dane at Lake Balboa 12

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:16 pm

The equivalent from the 1980s was the Toyota Celica. 

Pronounced “Silly-car”.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:18 pm

Who is buying the BMW?
A bloke I’m on another forum with is a German Car mechanic (from Tennessee) & he loves BMW – he says his family is fed by their oil leaks.
“If it wasn’t for the oil leaks in them, I’d be out of a job”
Apparently the mechanics call them Bring My Wallet.

I’ve had BMWs since the 80s and never an oil leak. All German cars are over-engineered.

Driller, please don’t this into another one of the 52 licenses and permits bullshit because you’re craving attention. Remain silent.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 10:21 pm

Probyn – effin he’ll – unbeleivable – the reality of what Rick – spotty, silent p from the young ones becomes.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:21 pm

Sanchez reckoned once that the carmakers have worked their way through the dictionary and running out of names. I don’t agree as I think they’re still on names beginning with “r”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:21 pm

Bin painting all day.
Doing it myself because my painter is sunning himself in warmer climes and the area I am doing will be really hard to get at when all the fixtures go in.
Hate it.
But you do get to see where the plasterer has cut corners on the finishing and sanding.
Grrrr.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 10:22 pm

From the Oz. I’ve posted the whole article.

SAS monitors: Defence to roll out body cameras to expose misconduct and rebut false claims

EXCLUSIVE
By BEN PACKHAM
Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
@bennpackham
10:00PM June 18, 2023
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The nation’s most elite soldiers face unprecedented scrutiny on the battlefield as Defence rolls out new body cameras to expose misconduct and rebut false claims against them.

The move, recommended by the Brereton war crimes inquiry, will spark a backlash from special forces troops, with experienced personnel warning the cameras will adversely affect soldiers’ performance by empowering “armchair” critics.

The Australian can reveal the Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell directed the Chief of Army last November to introduce “an interim capability for body-worn cameras that is available for employment on short duration, specified tasks by the end of 2023”.
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Defence revisited the cameras plan following Labor’s federal election victory last year, after it failed to win support from the previous Coalition government.

The department said the direction was now being implemented under its special forces reform program. It declined to say whether the cameras would be made mandatory for Special Air Service and 2nd Commando Regiment troops, as judge Paul Brereton recommended.

“This interim capability will support the ongoing and detailed work, through studies and trials, that is required to establish an enduring solution,” a Defence spokeswoman said.

The push for technology-­enabled scrutiny of special forces troops comes amid renewed ­attention on war crime allegations and accountability, after Victoria Cross recipient Ben ­Roberts-Smith’s failed defamation action against a media ­organisation that accused him of multiple ­murders.

A senior SAS veteran said body and helmet cameras had a role in some high-level operations, pointing to their use in the Osama bin Laden raid by US Navy Seals.

But their wider use would undermine soldiers’ ability to be effective on the battlefield ­because they would inhibit their ability to make split-second decisions, the source said.

“The battlefield is not a domestic police setting. The battlefield is chaotic and uncontrolled and there aren’t really any nice rules that apply,” the veteran SAS officer said.

“The point is, the soldier probably won’t take the risks they need to take if they think everything they’re doing is going to be reviewed afterwards in an armchair.

“(Cameras) make sense if you’re talking about the laws of war, but if you’re a soldier and you’re fighting for your life, they make no sense at all.”

It is understood KPMG has provided advice on the cameras’ introduction.

Opposition defence spokesman Andrew Hastie, a former SAS captain who did two tours to Afghanistan, warned mandating video cameras on operations would undermine trust between soldiers and their commanders.

“The Brereton report identified a breakdown in moral and ethical standards on the battlefield,” he said.

“That’s a human problem, not one solved by technology, such as body and helmet cams.

“If we are going to entrust the SAS with sensitive, strategic missions, then we need to select and train people to the highest possible standards in both special warfare and ethics.

“Trust needs to be rebuilt. We don’t need technology as a substitute for command and accountability.”

Mr Hastie warned that the cameras could also present ­operational security issues for ­soldiers on clandestine missions, and could prove disastrous if footage fell into enemy hands.

Mr Hastie cited the 2017 Tongo Tongo ambush of US ­special forces in Niger, in which four Green Berets and four ­Nigerian soldiers were killed by ISIS militants.

A helmet camera carried by staff sergeant Jeremiah Johnson, who died in the battle, was seized by enemy fighters and used later for jihadist propaganda.

“Do we really want to risk the same for Australian troops?” Mr Hastie said.

Another senior source, a ­retired SAS officer with multiple Afghanistan deployments to his name, described the policy as a “flawed, knee-jerk reaction”.

“It will not work. We train to fire and move, so (the cameras) will be pointing at the dirt half the time,” he said.

“This policy is because of the actions of a small number of f..kwits.

“At the end of the day, you have to be able to trust your ­soldiers.”

Privately owned helmet cameras were used by many soldiers in Afghanistan, providing evidence of at least one alleged war crime in footage aired by the ABC’s Four Corners program.

Oliver Jordan Schulz was charged with one count of “war crime – murder” in relation to the 2012 killing of Dad Mohammad in an Uruzgan Province wheat field, who could be seen in video footage on his back with his hands raised before being shot by an Australian soldier.

Justice Brereton, whose ­November 2020 report cited credible information that Aus­tralian soldiers killed 39 Afghan prisoners and civilians, found that the wearing of “appropriate ­helmet camera(s) or body camera(s) by SF operators on operations should be mandated”.

He said mandatory use of body cameras by police was now widely accepted to confirm lawful actions and provide evidence of wrongdoing.

“Use of official helmet ­cameras by SF operators, perhaps more than any other single measure, would be a powerful ­assurance of the lawful and ­appropriate use of force on ­operations, as well as providing other benefits in terms of information collection, and mitigating the security risk associated with unofficial imagery,” Justice Brereton said.

General Campbell responded soon after the Brereton report was released, saying that soldier-worn cameras would offer “a ­degree of objectivity and a ­capacity for learning, development and ­record-keeping”.

“I think it is a very good idea,” General Campbell told the ABC’s Insiders program.

“That material would become a digital archive, permanently and securely held, so that if claims were to arise … they would contribute to understanding what may have happened.”

Defence’s Afghanistan Inquiry Reform Plan, released in July 2021, said the department was moving to use digital technology to provide a record of special forces patrol operations under a wider plan to use data for better decision-making and performance measurement.

Defence said that having ­better information would improve decision-making and performance by “building a single source of truth, or integrated sources of truth”.

In a separate initiative, ­Defence is also working on a joint project that would give it the ability to continually monitor the vital signs of military personnel.

The University of South ­Australia-led project aims to use smart watches to ensure ADF personnel are “fit for duty”.

Researchers are working on a system using off-the-shelf ­“wearables” that could be deployed to collect thousands of hours of health data on individual personnel at very low cost.

Chief Defence scientist professor Tanya Monro said the ­project could enhance the ADF’s war-fighting capabilities and allow early detection of chemical or biological threats.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 10:22 pm

Steve trickler says:
June 18, 2023 at 9:30 pm
Taylor Swift. Some of the most worst music on the planet.

Maybe not the worst, just boring. All of her songs sound the same.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:24 pm

Kiwis liked those big Celicas, they were the Ford Zephyrs of the late seventies, early Eighties.
Can’t remember seeing one in 30 years, saw a restored Datsun 240 Z on the freeway, was surprised how tiny it was compared to modern cars.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:25 pm

Crossie says:
June 18, 2023 at 10:22 pm

Steve trickler says:
June 18, 2023 at 9:30 pm
Taylor Swift. Some of the most worst music on the planet.

Maybe not the worst, just boring. All of her songs sound the same.

She’s also way past her used-by date especially with this hottie taking steps up the ladder.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 10:26 pm

Zulu,
Could you also put up that article from the Oz – John Howard and property rights (re the Calvary Hospital). Thank you

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:29 pm

JCsays:

June 18, 2023 at 10:21 pm

Sanchez reckoned once that the carmakers have worked their way through the dictionary and running out of names. 

What I said was that it is a race between Big Pharma and Big Auto to see who would run out of names first.
I was suggesting that car names Tiida and Qashqai indicate that it is end of days in the Brand Naming Department of Big Auto.
But they have my sympathy.
“OK. How about ‘Pinchara’ as a name for our new compact 4WD?”
“Uh-uh. No. It means ‘small penis’ in an ancient Mayan dialect.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:30 pm

She’s also way past her used-by date especially with this hottie taking steps up the ladder.

OK.
I just threw up my Hawaiian pizza all over the velour couch.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 10:32 pm

Defence to roll out body cameras to expose misconduct and rebut false claims

Oh no. No, no no no no.

The battlefield is not a domestic police setting.

No. No, it is not.

The point is, the soldier probably won’t take the risks they need to take if they think everything they’re doing is going to be reviewed afterwards in an armchair.

Precisely correct. Neuter the people you need to do the nasty stuff, at the exact time you need them to do it.

No.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 10:34 pm

JCsays:
June 18, 2023 at 10:25 pm

All the best health to your family.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 18, 2023 10:37 pm

Pineapple on pizza has that effect.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:39 pm

KD

Wouldn’t body camera addition be a good idea though? It would likely trounce any bullshit propagated against the troops from the likes of our esteemed ABC types. It could also help the brass review battlefield tactics too. Just thinking out loud.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 10:40 pm

CL 18/6 11:53
Effen hell CL

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:41 pm

Big Pharma has no idea when it comes to naming drugs.
They need to appeal to the patient’s vanity a bit more.
Example.
Viagra.
I get it. It is a play on “vital” and “vigourous” I think.
But too subtle.
I would go “El Toro” for the stiffy tablets.
And anti-depressants have such depressing names.
Prozac.
Zoleft.
FMD.
They should get the perfume companies to help with the naming.
Sales would rocket up if Prozac was re-branded “Allure” or “Elegance”.

C.L.
C.L.
June 18, 2023 10:42 pm

Another reason why that Reuters piece Monty was trying to sell recently is tendentious. The indictment rides on the PRA, without it it falls.

The canned orthodoxy regarding the indictment that ‘OMG! Trump’s in trouble this time’ strikes me as bullshit and has from Day 1.

The Supreme Court (where this will end up) is not going to allow the Intelligence Community to stand over the President and the executive. Not going to happen.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:43 pm

Another senior source, a ­retired SAS officer with multiple Afghanistan deployments to his name, described the policy as a “flawed, knee-jerk reaction”.

“It will not work. We train to fire and move, so (the cameras) will be pointing at the dirt half the time,” he said.

“This policy is because of the actions of a small number of f..kwits.

He means Ben Roberts-Smith and a few others.

“At the end of the day, you have to be able to trust your ­soldiers.”

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 18, 2023 10:43 pm

Sancho Sander
Never whinge about prep or you get to do it all yourself.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:43 pm

Steve trickler says:
June 18, 2023 at 10:34 pm

JCsays:
June 18, 2023 at 10:25 pm

All the best health to your family.

Hahaha, that’s Lizzo, Tickler. Demonstrates that we’ve had it all wrong until now. Ugly is now gorgeous. Think of it this way. Lizzo weighs in at 3 Taylor Swifts for 1 lizzo, which means we get two for free.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’ve had BMWs since the 80s and never an oil leak.

Unless your story is confirmed by your chauffer, we’ll stick to the first version.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:47 pm

Oh yeah Cowboy, the confirmation and citations angle. We’re still waiting for the 52 licenses and permits bullshit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:48 pm

Farmer Gezsays:

June 18, 2023 at 10:43 pm

Sancho Sander
Never whinge about prep or you get to do it all yourself.

I know, I know.
A couple of rough spots and a bit of ‘orange peel’ high up in one corner.
I don’t mind knocking bits off, but filling tiny divots and waiting for it to dry gives me the shits.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Oh yeah Cowboy, the confirmation and citations angle. We’re still waiting for the 52 licenses and permits bullshit.

Your tears of frustration are delicious.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:50 pm

Your tears of frustration are delicious.

Yeah Cowboy.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 10:51 pm

Very rare for a modern car with good seal technology to leak oil in appreciable quantities.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Get Jeeves to take you for a spin in the BMW, you’ll feel so much better.
(Then after you’re safely put away again with a rug across your knees, he’ll pop out to the nearest servo for a half bottle of Castrol.)

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Very rare for a modern car with good seal technology to leak oil in appreciable quantities.

There’s the notorious reframing creeping in.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:54 pm

You’re such a worthless piece of envy ridden dogshit, Driller.

Rabz announces that he’s bought himself a new car and appears that he’s a happy little wanderer.
Captain Kebab, though, has to announce that he knows someone who knows someone who knows a BMW mechanic south of Mason Dixon (where else) who reckons that BMWs drip oil from the day of purchase. You envy ridden crudball. Be happy for him.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 10:56 pm

Chief Defence scientist professor Tanya Monro said the ­project could enhance the ADF’s war-fighting capabilities and allow early detection of chemical or biological threats.……
…….

And any after hours drinks or other activities we disapprove of.

I think we need to roll this out in federal parliament first. Body worn cameras and the new “ girthmaster Violator health assessment anal probes”.

If it stops just one case of harassment…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 10:57 pm

JC:

Wouldn’t body camera addition be a good idea though? It would likely trounce any bullshit propagated against the troops from the likes of our esteemed ABC types

Yeah, I get it. But – bullshit according to who?

What it would devolve to is a coven of fat chicks – who’ve never been anywhere near involved with what it physically takes to actually get through what these people do – analysing frame-by-frame footage of people doing yucky stuff to other people.

Then they would overlay that with the ‘killing with compassion and humility’ garbage propagated by the current lot of ADF brass, and then overlay that with endless ‘policy and procedure’ resulting in commentary similar to ‘ooooh, you shouldn’t have done that because that’s not in the policy’.

Before you know it, you’ll have yet another bunch of lawyers agitating for a charge and/or trial for something that the people viewing it don’t know about, let alone been involved with, and there’ll be an attitude of ‘just take the path of least resistance and put it to a jury’, which is exactly what happened to Pell and Lehrmann et al.

I absolutely can cop the Go-Pro stuff being live-streamed to military commanders during an operation. On occasions. But as a ‘see, we didn’t do anything wrong!’ tool to be dissected by nuffies years after the event, I think it will fail on almost every level.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 18, 2023 10:58 pm

NSW, QLD and WA can sink the voice.

I heard TAS is more likely to say No than NSW. Plausible?

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 10:59 pm

What it would devolve to is a coven of fat chicks – who’ve never been anywhere near involved with what it physically takes to actually get through what these people do – analysing frame-by-frame footage of people doing yucky stuff to other people.

Good point, KD. Didn’t consider the fat chicks angle.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 10:59 pm

I think we need to roll this out in federal parliament first.

Exactomundo.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

You’re such a worthless piece of envy ridden dogshit, Driller.

Polite & civil, as usual.
Nice family you got raised in, manners, class, all those things.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 11:05 pm

Polite & civil, as usual.
Nice family you got raised in, manners, class, all those things.

Oh yeah, coming from the dipshit calling people “dagos” in a blog argument. Who taught you that, dad? You know, dad who spent his adult life under state supervision?

As I said, you couldn’t be happy for the guy who just bought himself a new car and wanted to talk about it. What a filthy family you come. Just disgusting excrement.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Oh yeah, coming from the dipshit calling people “dagos” in a blog argument.

Wow, the gutter dago has to act like a …. gutter dago.
Classy.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Here’s a tip you piece of stinking shit: You don’t like being called a dago – then stop acting like one.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 11:07 pm

knows someone who knows someone who knows a BMW mechanic south of Mason Dixon (where else) who reckons that BMWs drip oil from the day of purchase. You envy ridden crudball. Be happy for him.

It wouldn’t be some good ‘ole boy not torquing things up proper fer a bit ‘o repeat bizniss now would it?
I think I saw the leaking Beemer thing on an episode of Dukes of Hazzard once.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 18, 2023 11:07 pm

Ok KD
You are in charge of fitting the girthmasters.
Just be prepared for a lot of calls from Adam Bant complaining his wife’s boyfriend says it’s not girth enough.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 11:07 pm

“Hey Rabz, your car leaks oil, hahahahahahaha”

Very classier.

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