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Tough stickers.
Or as the Brits say: Slag tags.
Ben Garrison.
Gary Varvel.
Bons,
I am so sorry to read about what happened to your parents. With mum, I learnt early on I had to laugh, otherwise the situation would overwhelm me. When she was living on her own, I was there every second day to check on her. Other family members brought her to my place one day and said to book her a train ticket as she wanted to visit another family member upstate. They said they were too busy to buy said ticket and left her in my driveway with a suitcase.
She was in a bad way and could barely stand up. Decided then that she was going to stay with us.
I can’t begin to imagine what it would have been like if my father were also alive at the time. Thankfully, the alcoholism killed him more than thirty years earlier.
When you combine old age, dementia, deafness, no English and can barely see, finding amusement in the situation becomes a coping mechanism.
I must add, after all mum had been through, she was a happy person and was a favourite with staff at the nursing home.
More like 1905, quite a few echoes of that fiasco and subsequent failed revolution.
White House Counsel Throws the Goalposts Off a Cliff With Carefully-Worded Response to Biden Shakedown Message
monty at 7:41pm:
If you have any decency you should retract that.
Walmart customer SLAMS retail giant for putting women’s underwear next to the MEN’S section and in front of the food – insisting ‘girls should be able to shop for bras and panties in private’
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Untrue.
I don’t dislike Russians or Chinese.
I dislike the regimes those peoples are under.
That I am also not terribly thrilled by the authoritarian impulses displayed by our own during the China flu doesn’t undo tother.
As to the culture wars currently engulfing us, that alone is no excuse for taking sides with opposing blocs.
How exactly people believe abandoning commitments to Europe or elsewhere strengthens our hand against cultural Marxism is beyond me. Perhaps someone can fill in the gaps for me. Ukraine and Taiwan lose, the Saudis align with Beijing, China completes it’s belt and road, and that helps us beat our internal weirdos and freaks in academia, politics and media how?
At best it brings about a decade of American isolationism. How does that help is with our immediate and very insistent Northern neighbours of 1.4 billion still under a communist flag?
“If you have any decency you should retract that.”
He doesn’t have any.
Asked Again Twice About Ukraine, Ron DeSantis Ducks, Weaves and Avoids The Question – At a Certain Point the Neocon Cannot Hide
I have arrived back in Oztralia and am visiting Mother Jugulum (93yo), i agree and i’m trying to unpack a suite of emotions since i’ve been here. This getting old thing just blows.
Hollywood Actor Jim Caviezel Says CIA “Operates World’s Biggest Pedophile Ring”
Ukrainian friends of one my sisters were saying, even last year, that they were aghast at the idea of Putin being replaced, as those waiting in the wings to replace him were even worse and more ruthless.
oops, sorry everyone. I turned Cassie’s problem onto myself.
The moment of truth
The cost of keeping the lie alive eventually becomes too high and it collapses
Well I am, and what’s that got to do with the Uke/Russian imbroglio?
I think Fisky might be referring to the fact that Prizoghin is a Jew, and that Jews who originated in the Pale of Settlement, 95% of them, might be going home soon if the rebellion works out as planned?
Cassie
Good luck with the parents. I went through similar struggles and appreciate how you feel.
“I think Fisky might be referring to the fact that Prizoghin is a Jew, and that Jews who originated in the Pale of Settlement, 95% of them, might be going home soon if the rebellion works out as planned?”
Really? The Arabs want the Jews to return to the Pale. Good to know you agree.
“Good luck with the parents. I went through similar struggles and appreciate how you feel.”
Thanks JC…and thanks C.L. and everyone else.
It’s tough.
Post-Putin Russia may or may not be better than the current situation, but the current situation is (arguably) the most politically dangerous in Europe since WW2. Taking out the insane warlord who created it will probably improve matters.
The other aspect we are seeing is that Russia barely exists as a country any more, hopelessly divided and impoverished by decades of corruption. Garry Kasparov is sounding authoritative on that point. It is possibly more dangerous to let that dynamic continue, have to deal with it at some point if you want to maintain international peace.
I guess because this is a target rich environment of Putin-lovers? That’s a pretty good reason!
I found it very hard to see your comments in other threads as anything else, but I’m willing to accept you don’t view the average Russian as such. I just find it hard to believe, in general, that any realistic replacement to Putin would be more friendly to the west, given the actions taken against Russia and the Russian people.
Including the much advertised attitude that Russia must be destroyed that you seem to be on board with. It may well be a generational thing, I get the impression you’re of the 50+ age bracket that have a inculcated attitude to the Soviets, and unable to view Russia as anything different.
How anyone believes a war with Russia will solidify ‘Western values’ is beyond me.
“Europe” – by which you mean Brussels and the EU – is the epicentre of communism on the Continent. Backing the US-Ukrainian war is to elevate, strengthen and normalise the depravities now being forced upon Europe by the EU and the US. These include, but are not limited to, a malicious war on Christianity, the deliberate immigrant-ruination of nations, the ever-increasing empowerment of gestapos, the compulsory acquisition of private property (including farms), the banning of free speech and the criminalisation of political opposition.
None of this was done by the Putin boogeyman.
In point of fact, yes – routing neocon adventurism in Europe will indeed weaken these pathogens and bolster freedom. Not because Russia ‘won’ (nobody is going to ‘win’ this war) but because nihilistic lunatics lost.
Visiting my 92 year old mother, I do wonder if this is for the last time.
Does THIS ingredient cause ADHD and AUTISM?
Zulu, you are going through some testing times with your mum and the Memsahib. Hope your faith holds up.
Carpe J, I concur. Cold is a killer, and i am now just weeks away from the 100 mark. Not a lot of fun.
Too many strangers offering all sorts of services. Confusing at times.
Cheers to Lizzie and Tinta.
god-botherers
trump lovers
nanna killers
fascists
homophobes
climate deniers
… so claim a handful of very unsophisticated wankers
I dunno, Arky, been trying to figure it out myself.
Fisk!
It’s always good to see you – even if you have become a Biden lover!
Thank you.
Short and to the point.
Jordan Peterson Breaks His Silence And Reveals It All!”
Regarding Boney’s campaign.
I found this remarkable graphical representation of Bonaparte’s Russian campaign. It links the losses with geography and temperature.
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“god-botherers
trump lovers
nanna killers
fascists
homophobes
climate deniers”
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Transphobes
Islamophobes
anti-Vaxxers
Far-right
Hard-right
White supremacists
m0ntysays:
June 24, 2023 at 7:53 pm
By Latika Bourke
There’s your first clue that an article is worthless.
Doesn’t she write for Fauxfacts? That might be your second clue, if you can see it.
While Jews have had tough times in the Pale in the past, they were on easy street in Crimea until 1941, when Stalin deported them.
The backstory was that back in WW1, the Kaiser had offered the Crimean Jews an autonomous State including parts of Ukraine if they helped Germany to win that War.
25 years later, Stalin got edgy about the possibility of AH offering them a similar deal, and deported the lot.
It coulda been worse.
Excellent summary of the trad thought process. The most important thing in the trad mindset is pretending that Christians are endlessly victimised and facing extinction through persecution. Never mind that the Church has been the sole architect of its own demise, no, they are never at fault if you ask a trad.
One consequence of this ideological insanity is that any possible ally in the rearguard reactionary revolution against the supposed forces of evil is clung to like a billionaire diver clutching a lifebuoy. Even if that ally is an actual Nazi, or a rock spider, or a war criminal, doesn’t matter what they are, the situation is apparently so desperate that there are no compunctions against enlisting the support of blackguards and mercenaries… because the trad cause is JUST and RIGHTEOUS.
The lack of any sort of moral standards in choosing allies tends to lead trads to befriending a rogue’s gallery of the worst people in the world.
If I thought Russia taking the whole of the Ukraine or whatever would in any way shape or form help us defeat our internal problems, which are huge and probably ultimately fatal, I would be right beside you cheering Putin on.
I can’t see it.
So I’ll forgo repeating my stance as a lefty of the early 2000s where I found myself cheering on my nation’s enemies because I thought the Gulf war was wrong and the “neo cons” evil.
A stance that sickens me now when I think back on it and the things I said and did because it.
Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5PRC, first shots
Nice rifle; available in NSW for those with a Cat B licence.
Rogersays:
June 24, 2023 at 7:56 pm
monty at 7:41pm:
If you have any decency you should retract that.
He has no decency, no decency at all.
Great to hear from you Macbeth!
A ton would be a very fine thing to reach.
Yesterday our fair maiden Ellyse Perry was out for 99 in the women’s Ashes Test, which is currently underway.
I felt for her, but that was a fine achievement in all respects apart from arithmetic
Cassie
Snap!
It’s Saturday night so I suppose dickless’s ramblings can be blamed on the gin bottle.
Source, or you’re lying again.
superlatives-R-us
Yo, Macbeth.
If you were a Chinaman, you’d already be 100, since you’re in your Hundredth Year.
Practice walking backwards, it’s good for your balance, and give us a hoi if King doesn’t send you a Telegram!
Text-walking through motorway traffic at peak hour on a dull day.
Steve – your link didn’t work, but I’m fairly sure you mean this awesome map:
Charles Minard’s map of Napoleon’s disastrous Russian campaign of 1812.
Mr Prigozhin may be going to Moscow, but at least he’s doing so in summer, has motor vehicles, and as I mentioned this morning they’re loaded up with extra fuel in big carry cans. So he might just do it. On the other hand Napoleon did in fact take Moscow and that didn’t do him any actual good.
Always good to get the band together again, CL.
Macbeth, the ton! awesome.
Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 24, 2023 at 8:38 pm
While Jews have had tough times in the Pale in the past, they were on easy street in Crimea until 1941, when Stalin deported them.
Source, or you’re lying again.
The word “again” is redundant, Turd Case lies all the time, and can never provide a source for any of his fantasies.
So I guess that makes Belarus the Dwarves? Now we just need the Elves. If I remember my Risk board correctly, there should be some useful troops in Irkutsk and Kamchatka.
No one, not a single person, even in the worst case scenario for Russia, predicted that Putin’s three-day war would fail completely, cause Finland to join NATO, knock Germany out of its gas dependance, and lead to civil war within Russia (and that list of consequences is far from exhaustive!). Yet that’s what happened! How the hell can we be sure that a victory for any side in a military conflict would have had any predictable feedback effects in Western domestic politics???
It’s incredible when you think about it – one might have thought the question in 1916 is what kind of monarchy will prevail in Central/Eastern Europe; by 1918 it’s actually a choice between Bolshevism and right-wing military regimes. Maybe we need to get out of this mindset of thinking foreign military adventurism can help solve domestic problems. Yet the people who are most skeptical of Iraq after the fact are also the most likely to support Putin!! I just don’t know anymore…
A walk with Cash and Rowdy. Rowdy got the shaft from this joint after this.
.Gov Regs.
He’s a mini horse you bastards!
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woof bark growl:
Great Dane and a horse inside a shopping mall (4k)
Is there nothing the Russians can’t do?
I’m watching a movie called Spiders on nitv. Bits from a disabled Russian Space Station have crashed through a subway in New York City.
So far, it’s been like a mash-up of Pelham 123 and Eight Legged Freaks.
ok, a lot to unpack here.
1. Prigozhin has been complaining about the Russian MoD for some time. Personally, I’ve been surprised he has been allowed to get away with it without stern rebuke by Putin.
2. Prigozhin complained about a Russian artillery and air strike on his soldiers ~30 hours ago and consequently mobilised those forces back into Russian territory. I don’t know much about the strike but turning his troops around in such short order and progressing to Rostov-on-Don seems remarkable organisation. I wonder whether the Russian intelligence services found out that Prigozhin was planning a coup of some sort and the attack by Russian artillery and fighters on the Wagner base was pre-emptive.
3. There is no way that Prigozhin and 2-3 Divisions can hope to militarily overwhelm the Russian army and other forces at the command of Putin. Therefore, Prigozhin must believe he has additional support from within elements of the Russian military and most importantly, from specific factions in the Kremlin. In other words, disable Putin’s command via a ‘palace coup’.
4. Putin’s recent address to the Russian people was littered with words such as ‘betrayal’, ‘criminal’, ‘terrorist’ and of course, ‘stab in the back’. His body language was of someone who is severely pissed off.
5. This action by Prigozhin is ‘do or die’. There is no coming back from this. Putin on the other hand, must display a ruthlessness that serves as a warning to others. The uprising (if that is even the correct word) must be extinguished quickly or he (Putin) will be seen as weak. If there is one thing the Russian people despise, it is a weak leader. They admire strength – whether they agree or not with the decree – weakness will not be tolerated.
6. If, and it is a gigantic ‘if’, Prigozhin is successful, then we cannot assume that Putin’s replacement will be west friendly. Be assured there are some really hard men stalking the corridors of the Kremlin and should one of those emerge from the rubble, God help the Ukraine (and by extension, us).
7. This ‘event’ is arguably the most dangerous since the Cuban missile crisis. A destabilised Russia, regardless of what you may think of Putin and the conflict in Ukraine, poses very real dangers for all of us. A cornered bear is not usually agreeable to negotiation.
Monty that looks more like a car ad.
I saw a vid yesterday of an Alligator with its tail shot off, still flying.
Tough critters.
Nope, people stepping up and challenging the “pathogens” will. Don’t go looking for some domino to fall.
Probably neither the horse nor the dog found it comfortable walking on those smooth tiles.
Speedbox wrote:
This is definitely not my forte, but I had wondered about how, with their strength (a news report suggesting only about 25,000?), they would even take the necessary strategic positions, let alone hold them.
Muddy.
Both owners a clued up.
Hi Cassie,
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Best Ukie response I’ve seen to the current Wagnerian opera.
https://twitter.com/war__online/status/1672535209038827521
Damn, try again.
Hope this works.
LOl, what’s changed? This is the nincompoop who peddles buffoonery that we buying imported goods under cost, and is part of the WE MAKE NAFINK cult.
That’s a glass of champagne and a new keyboard you owe me!
oh yeah … and cult-members
..
Yep.
wtf?
RUOK Zulu ?
Speedboxsays:
June 24, 2023 at 8:58 pm”
Well said.
Alligator pilot needs a change of undies.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672557378137468931
Definitely in Voronezh since the same hwy interchange has been in a number of vids today.
Speedbox, on and off since the beginning of the Cold War, we’ve been living with the view that we can’t anger the bear or else. I’m not buying it any longer. The threat is that Russia has nukes and will use them? Okay, then if it comes to that then use them and civilization is destroyed. Russia is finished anyway and the place will implode.
Champagne and takeaway pizza have been a tradition, in the camp, on Saturday night for many years. I’m starting on the single malt quite soon.
Thanks Speedbox for helping to make sense of all this, saved me reading heaps of prattle.
I can’t help but wonder what role the Ghost of Kiev played in all this.
This whole thing was sprung on us as spectators rather suddenly, but I suspect Prigozhin had more time to plan this than just a day or two. In particular, I wonder how many of Kadyrov’s fighters are tied up on duty in Africa and the Middle East. Chechen forces might not be as crucial as suspected. Not that Belarus is going to be all that important either.
Wouldn’t surprise if it came out that the Chechens don’t have much in the way of materiel either, I mean if you were Putin would you let those sneaky bastards store enough kit to equip an invasion-level army? Hell no.
I keep this stuff that Putin is actually one of the more gentle souls in the Russian leadership, while the rest of the Kremlin is littered with dangerous hard men. The only thing these dangerous hard men can do is brandish and threaten the West with nuclear weapons ( we don’t even know if they work any longer) as we’ve seen the capabilities of their conventional forces.
HD!
A Flock Of Seagulls – I Ran (So Far Away) (Official HD Video)
Not really. I’ve been saying for a while the Wagner dickhead was dead man walking. I did get it wrong though. I thought he was going to jump out of a hotel terrace. However, I did think he was a gonner.
Memories of a certain club in Adelaide – Mark Hunter and Dragon belting out “Are You Old Enough”……
Cassie of Sydney June 24, 2023 at 6:47 pm (and subsequently)…
It sure is tough. I have a pair of 92yo parents, so I really do sympathise. Still “independent” and – if I have my way – they will be unto the bitter end. Luckily, no dementia, but each knock takes a toll… when one of them enters hospital (over the past 3 years, I count two broken hips, a couple of random infections, burst blood vessels, some internal stuff and a few falls) it takes it out of both of them. And once whatever “it” is is taken, it doesn’t come back.
Boxing on is the only way.
Keep hitting that Viagra(TM) limp dick.
A couple of presumably Russian Ka-52s have destroyed a fuel tank farm in Voronezh. I’d guess that would be Moscow trying to deny Wagner refueling capability, but as I’ve said they have mounted a big extra carry can of fuel onto each of their tank transporters. I’ve seen three or four such examples so far.
That the RGS is now ordering strikes on their own logistical sites deep inside Russia says a lot about how serious they’re taking Mr Prigozhin’s little blitzkrieg.
This is the same mythology the Tsar had.
Razey
Why don’t you, for once in your miserable blog life, support your assertion with a fcuking argument, you clown? Try it out just once.
The reason I say this is because…….
Go!
JC says:
June 24, 2023 at 9:26 pm
Speedbox, on and off since the beginning of the Cold War, we’ve been living with the view that we can’t anger the bear or else. I’m not buying it any longer. The threat is that Russia has nukes and will use them? Okay, then if it comes to that then use them and civilization is destroyed. Russia is finished anyway and the place will implode.
Putin has repeatedly said that they would only ever be used in the face of an existential threat to the Russian Federation. To the best of my knowledge, every leader of a nation that has nuclear weapons has also said the same thing – that only in a circumstance where their very existence is threatened would a nuclear response be contemplated. So, same same.
What worries me most is a destabilised Russia which, by the way, is the basis for western concerns about Russia (USSR) since the sixties. I don’t give a rat’s backside about Prigozhin or the Wagner Group – what does genuinely concern me is that Prigozhin has lit the fuse to a chain of events that spiral out of control. Russia may very well be destroyed, but millions (billions?) of people may go with it.
I hope I’m entirely wrong and in the next couple of days the crisis is over (one way or another) and Russia is stable once again. That doesn’t necessarily solve the Ukraine conflict but it at least diffuses a much wider global threat.
“This is the same mythology the Tsar had.”
The reality, the truth is that the Tsars were gentler compared to what came after the 1917 revolution, and we know the names………………Lenin and Stalin.
Anyone got any suggestions as to what music should be played at Phillip Adam’s funeral?
Speedbox
The existential threat argument – at least for Russia- has always been stretched to mean almost anything. Almost anything they don’t like, so it’s something that’s hard to buy into. They were threatening Finland if it joined NATO!
JC says:
June 24, 2023 at 9:33 pm
I keep this stuff that Putin is actually one of the more gentle souls in the Russian leadership, while the rest of the Kremlin is littered with dangerous hard men.
Putin is the ultimate puppet-master balancing, and playing off against each other, the various factions. Like politics everywhere, there are always extreme players on both sides. What I have said tonight and previously, is that should one of those hard men emerge from the rubble, the outcome could be very bad for Ukraine, and by extension, us.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11680465/Priest-died-says-went-Hell-saw-demons-torturing-singing-Rihannas-Umbrella.html
Priest who ‘died’ during heart attack claims he went to Hell and saw demons singing Rihanna’s Umbrella and Bobby McFerrin’s Don’t Worry Be Happy to torture people: ‘I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy’
Ooh, ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh…
“Memories of a certain club in Adelaide – Mark Hunter and Dragon belting out “Are You Old Enough”……”
Late seventies, Comb and Cutter at Blacktown, Dragon were the worst live band at the time. So off their faces, one of the guitarists lay down and passed out after the first song. Marc Hunter kept falling off the stage.
Good times!
ella, ella, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh-eh
Adams funeral song – from The Angels.
Am I ever going to see your face again?
No way get farked fark off.
I saw Eric Burdon at the dreaded Comb and Cutter in the late 1970’s…..memories of a misspent youth..
What is damning bout Ukrainian war fighting abilities is that they got their asses handed to them by this Prigozhin nutter.
Toad,
can’t. stop. laughing.
Oh God, please make it stop…………………………….
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1672571334214275075
St Petes?
If Philip Adams wants to be remembered for supporting the arts, why not the Bad Boy Bubby concert scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1YGlsMHDGY
Could you post that to the Paywallian? Genius!
Zulu! we may have banged heads together!
Did you smash disco records that were thrown out to us during DJ breaks?
JC says:
June 24, 2023 at 9:54 pm
Speedbox
The existential threat argument – at least for Russia- has always been stretched to mean almost anything. Almost anything they don’t like, so it’s something that’s hard to buy into. They were threatening Finland if it joined NATO!
Nah, that was just a sabre rattle and everybody knew it.
Russians still have a very strong national recollection (historical record, not actually) of WW2 and Germany’s invasion. That will never be allowed to happen again or anything similar. Not one centimetre of Russian soil will be given up. That makes them fundamentally no different to the USA, China, Israel etc.
Brilliant!
Dr. Octagon – “Trees” feat. Kool Keith & One Watt Sun
There has to be a better alternative than the binary of Tsarism and Stalinism. There is no existential threat to Russia, it is always going to exist. Maybe when the current regime changes, the rebuild can include some new institutions which have some meaning.
The US and EU would be furiously wargaming scenarios of what happens if Prigozhin wins. Not as if he’s a peacenik, he’s said he’ll march right back to the Ukraine front if he takes Moscow. All that guff about NATO intervening might come true, and for good reason as the rules will all have changed.
None of this existential shit would have happened if Trump had not been cheated out of the Presidency. Don’t blame putie, blame the leprous clintons and obama who has his claws firmly up biden’s cankerous arse.
I dunno. His telling everyone on Telegram that the reasons for the war were bullshit might be his Bread! Peace! Land! speech.
Monty – Perhaps you could tell Albo about this amazing concept?
Razey, mate. There is no need to keep reminding us that you are a blithering idiot, we already know.
Meme.
Done it ZK2A.
But in moderation.
Prigozhin – who took 9 months to take not quite all of a shitty town no one cares about in Ukraine – is presently whooping Russia’s regular army in Russia.
Worth repeating.
I note the pervert apologist has spent a lot of time here today with “us lot”.
He really is a sad sack.
How long until the MoD starts blowing up bridges on the highways into Moscow?
My compliments, and thank you.
‘Minor incursions are okey dokey’
– Biden
by gawd, yr a dumb arse
It’s not as though there’s much activity on his own blog.
Hmmm
(((Tendar)))
@Tendar
More and more private jets with no declared destination or Turkey as destination appear over Moscow.
The are making a run for it.
#Coup #Russia #Moscow
(((Tendar)))
@Tendar
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There is also a Russian National Guard plane in the air. No calls sign, destination or anything.
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https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1672500870947254273
1/ Russia’s security forces are reported to be in disarray following the attempted mutiny by the Wagner Group. It seems to have been perfectly timed for a moment – Friday night – when many personnel were too drunk to respond quickly, while others are refusing to fight Wagner. ??
2/ The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel reports what its sources are saying is the situation within various security organisations. At the FSB and Ministry of Internal Affairs, “Everyone is up and running, urgently reporting in. Now all the offices are like one big after-party.”
3/ “80 per cent of the staff smell of booze. Some of them can barely stand on their feet. Can’t arm ’em, can’t send ’em anywhere. Friday night’s the perfect time to start something like this. Everybody’s standing around, waiting for something. No introductions.”
4/ “A couple of hours more and the conflicts among themselves will start when [the alcohol] starts to wear off.”
5/ Unwillingness to fight Wagner appears to be a common theme. “There is real panic in Rostov, especially among the police. There is more than a 40 percent shortfall in personnel among those called up in connection with Operation Fortress” (to defend security installations).
6/ Wagner forces were able to cross the border from Ukraine without opposition, despite orders not to let them through. “Both the border service of the FSB and the Interior Ministry received instructions to stop the Wagner PMC. No one is complying, as it is not realistic.”
7/ Most ominously for the Kremlin, elements of the security forces appear to be actively siding with Wagner or refusing to act against it.
8/ “The defence ministry has lost control over a number of units and formations of the South Eastern Military District, it will not be possible to organise defence by the Rosgvardia [Russian National Guard] and the FSB. Local leaders are extremely careful in their statements”.
9/ “Attempts to counter Prigozhin are only going through the FSB and the National Guard. The Ministry of Defence has simply withdrawn, junior officers either refuse to follow orders or directly support Wagner.”
10/ And Shoigu and the [MOD leadership] team just hid and completely lost touch with reality. The fear is obviously serious.”
Wagner is reported to be directly taking control of some South Eastern Military District units.
11/ “A number of units of the Ministry of Defence that participated in the war are beginning to come under the command of Wagner. Entire corps. Shoigu and Gerasimov’s people are being removed.”
12/ General Gerasimov himself has not been seen in public since the mutiny began. According to Wagner channels, he was in Rostov when it fell to Wagner forces.
13/ He is said to have “escaped from the Rostov [military] headquarters along with people loyal to him” and “is holed up in a civilian apartment with his friends in Rostov.” /end
Wow.
The Sydney Mancravers beat Meth Coast by 171 points.
171 points.
They scored 205 points of their own. That’s akin to the pizzlings my schoolboy team used to hand out to lesser entities. Amazing.
You forgot Dictator Dan and Stan Grant.
Unless the Wagner forces lure ‘converts,’ they’ll have to leave defensive detachments en route, if they are moving on Moscow.
There sure is – Russia getting shattered into hundreds of mutually hostile statelets, a bit like Germany 400 years ago.
What makes you so sure? Russia has been getting smaller with each regime change in the past 120 years, and is shortly going to get even smaller still! As Margaret Thatcher once said, “I love Germany so much, I prefer to see two of them.”
Oh no, I also blame the Russian elite, the pro-Russian propaganda apparatus and their Western fifth column.
No.
Cassie,
Sorry to read about your mum’s & step dad’s health concerns.
Best regards to you all.
BBS
From the Meduza liveblog:
Two hundred!! Only a hundred more and the Chechens can really get some defence happening!
Sheez
Macbeth, keep yourself nice and warm. Turn on the heater to a comfortable level and busy some of those busybodies to get you some of those special warm socks in a bloke’s colour as you can’t let your feet get cold.
I have just come from a dinner with my Bis Sis who is 83 and beginning to physically fade. She has ill health and has never been as robust as me. Her husband is 3 years older than she is and has cancer. Sad realities are impinging. Treatment will help him survive some few more years. They are going to sell their house and move into a retirement village. We are nowhere near that yet, Hairy assures me. Yet we have other friends in very pleasant villages of that type with houses on land, so it can be a good choice for some.
I hope you have a wonderful birthday, Macbeth old friend. I would bring you the sox myself if I was nearby, even if I was being a busybody. Xx Lizzie
Peskov denies Putin has fled the capital, says he is “working in the Kremlin”. Sure Dimitri. Just remember, no fighting in the War Room.
Large numbers of regular military are either avoiding a fight or actually supporting Wagner. What a shit show.
For once I have to agree with Phillip Adams, ZK2A @9.53.
That excellent Catholic Thomist philosopher Peter Kreeft calls ‘I Did It My Way’ the national anthem of Hell.
I can’t remember who, but someone in less philosophical vein called it ‘How I became an old soak and am proud of it.’
“At the moment the question is not how the Soviet Union will find a way out of totalitarianism but how the West will be able to avoid the same fate.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Warning To The West, 1975.
I reckon Vlad’s a gonner. Nobody likes a loser – especially the Russians.
Hasn’t been so much drama since Sulla marched on Rome
Interesting times continue …..
Hasn’t been so much drama since Sulla marched on Rome
Interesting times continue …..
Fatboy
Stop gloating, you fat idiot. If Putin is toppled we don’t know who has control of the nukes. STFU and get get back in the basement as folks have had enuff of you bullshit. You’re not allowed out anyway.
https://twitter.com/ArmchairCopelrd/status/1672535689424928768?cxt=HHwWgICwpaOWhbYuAAAA
Armchair Copelord
@ArmchairCopelrd
Gang, running low on copium here (Russian MOD hoarding & corruption) so look, here’s us laughing at pro Ukrainian Twitter for being happy that Russia is in complete disarray! What idiots! Totally owning them right now! Probably just a feint coup anyway LOL. Cope & seethe UkrBros!
Hasn’t been so much drama since Sulla marched on Rome …..
That’s why this “let’s break up Russia” gloat is pure spite and insincere.
Guardianistsas:
Flights from Moscow have reportedly sold out as the Wagner mercenary group approaches.
Der Spiegel has reported that tickets for direct connections from Moscow to Tbilisi, Astana and Istanbul are no longer available.
Google Maps is showing road closures on the M4 south of Moscow, the route the Wagner rebels are taking.
The governor of Russia’s Voronezh region said on Saturday that emergency services were trying to put out a burning fuel tank at an oil depot.
More than 100 firefighters and 30 units of equipment were working at the site, Alexander Gusev, the region’s governor, said on Telegram.
Video footage obtained by Reuters showed a ball of fire erupting after a helicopter flew near a residential area. The Voronezh location was verified by Reuters by buildings and road characteristics that matched satellite imagery.
Large amount of cash found at Prigozhin’s offices during raid
Large amounts of cash were found during a raid on Prigozhin’s office, he has reportedly confirmed.
Russian media had reported that money was found at the St Petersburg address, something Prigozhin has now confirmed, according to Reuters.
He has said the money was for Wagner expenses, it reports.
Russian state media has also reported that Vladimir Putin has held a call with Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, who expressed support for the current Russian leadership, they claim.
A security council statement from Belarus has also said that country remains an ally of Russia and that internal disputes are a “gift to the collective west”.
GBNews has Putin speaking “ All those who prepared an armed mutiny will suffer”
Wagner seeking only revenge? Or did someone else outbid Putin for control of their mission?
All will be revealed in … what is it m0nty, 8 days until Wagner gets to Moscow?
Is it possible for the West to support both Putin and Ukraine simultaneously? The Wagner guy sounds like a complete nutball and you wouldn’t want him in the Krem.
I reckon we give aid to both Ukraine and Putin. It’s become this crazy. 🙂
Aaaany day, now…
The Greenleft coalition that rules the ACT has now has to admit that it’s shock-horror indictment of Calvary hospital was a barefaced lie
https://the-riotact.com/correction-to-abortion-report-issued-after-admission-witnesss-testimony-wasnt-accurately-reflected/675489
… but is pressing on regardless.
The retraction, by the way, has not been reported by the ABC or the former Fairfax rag that passes for Canberra’s daily newspaper.
Not even eight hours, at this rate.
What a huge surprise this is.
I bet, just bet they went for the office in the hope of finding wads 0f cashola. Some of the FSB fcukers are very rich today.
I know, I know, we shouldn’t talk about money at the moment. If some of this is true and by Sunday our time things look stable with Putin in Syria or something and the Ukraine war sounds like it’s done, stocks are going to freaking pound higher by a huge amount.
What are you trader blogs saying, JC? Short everything?
Macca knew all about mercenaries
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/machiavelli/works/prince/ch12.htm
I say, therefore, that the arms with which a prince defends his state are either his own, or they are mercenaries, auxiliaries, or mixed. Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy.
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I wish to demonstrate further the infelicity of these arms. The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way.
Wagner Group column about a quarter of the way from Voronezh to Moscow.
Monster
There’s no real commentary about where stocks are heading with this. Too early.
All part of the strategy to get first picks in the draft.
To really cement their place at the bottom of the ladder next week, West Coast will be bolstering their ranks from the orthopaedic wing of RPH.
I know what you mean, bons. but I disagree, gently and respectfully.
I looked after my Mum and Dad as they were both dying of various cancers over the course of seven years. Mum had more severe and and drawn-out symptoms. I think I admitted her to hospital 22 times. Dad went first. Mum was 35kgs at the end. I spent the last night of Mum’s life curled up next to her – she having stroked 12 hours before and become verbally incapacitated.
I spent so much time in hospital that in the days after Mum died, I felt I somehow had to go there – like I couldn’t justify a sickie. Weird. Eventually, I went to the hospital and left Mum’s wheelie with some others in a corridor, visited the chapel and walked away. I thank God for the privilege – totally undeserved – of being with Mum and Dad as they suffered and declined. I never saw anything I regarded as indignity (a word often used by euthanasia pushers) and I saw a lot.
My advice to anyone trying to orient themselves to parents in decline (FWIW) would be to do the very best you can but do not beat yourself up for not always being strong or available. People have different responsibilities and duties; you are not to blame for attending to them. God is in charge and He knows what He’s doing.
Probably should short everything just on general principle. What could go wrong? Good news?
Wonder how Russian supermarkets are going. Babushkas cleaning out the TP shelves.
Monster,
I guess the good news would be something along those lines I posted earlier – that the CIA and NATO are behind the Wagner dickhead and it appears like he’ll take out Putin and begins talking about withdrawing troops or wanting a resolution. If you hear anything like that stocks will explode to the upside. If we’re still in this funk by Monday morning, we’re heading south.
The huge problem is who has control of the nukes? I presume it’s the military, but???
I doubt the nukes are in play until we figure out who will be leader. If it’s Prigozhin, he might turn Russia into North Korea. At the moment, it’s looking more like Sudan.
Kadyrov forces advancing from multiple directions on Rostov. Merc on merc action, very modern warfare.
He’s a real charmer
But hey, they were hotdogs, not Halal Kebabs.
The Ukraine war started with a massive military column on a highway to a capital, and it may end with one going the other way.
Unconfirmed reports of the head of the Wagner column crossing into Moscow oblast. Which is about right time-wise from when they left Voronezh.
The river crossings are the next problem. Have the Putin forces had time to set charges and blow them up?
Dmitri Alperovitch @DAlperovitch · 27m
Yeah, when the boss has become a mortal enemy of the President of the Russian Federation, the mission is to fight for their own life. Only time will tell if this is suicidal or lucky bravery.
I understand, Cassie. Only too well. Take care dear lady.
Do not be foolish like me and attempt to lift either of them off the floor. I’m glad the ambos were called.
I have told my mother in no uncertain terms that pride will kill them if they aren’t honest enough to report every fall.
“Smoke me a kipper, I’ll be in Moscow for breakfast” – Lord Flashgozhin, probably.
Just scrolled back. Can’t argue with that.
I can’t resist the urge to give him some tips though. I believe it’s called “prayer”. 😀
Speaking of which, the Russian Orthodox Church is siding with Putin.
Churches don’t always end up on the winning side.
Totally agree, CL.
It may not always be fun, but I consider it a privilege.
I think those of us who ignore M0nty and dafisk etc. should every now and then tell them to PO.
Otherwise they may think that they are only disliked by the few prepared to engage with them.
So for this month and the next, M0nty and Co, please PO.
Calli, if my two are anything to go by, good luck with that!
It is, though, in some ways very uplifting to witness at first hand the absolute determination that things will not change, even as it is clear that they are. Roundabouts and swings.
Found via Cernovich:
HITMAN | Geopolitics Grifter @BowTiedHitman · Jun 11
That is quite possibly what he is doing.
Revenge for some friendly fire is just the goal that *all* the troops can rally behind. The real goal is Prigozhin saving his own bacon.
I’d still bet on Vlad.
They’re very sneaky, Mark. I don’t know what it is that’s driving it. My dear, faithful brother calls in on them every day. He’s very observant, coming from a nursing background and can spot the b/s a mile off.
I have a little travelogue that I will post next now the internet appears to be working here in Tenby.
Sure, the odds are in his favor, but also we can’t say he won’t be weakened by this. I don’t think appearing weak is a good look in Russia.
43s ago
00.51 AEST
Lorenzo Tondo
Lorenzo Tondo
According to Ukrainian news agencies, Kyiv has liberated the territories near the city of Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region, which have been occupied by pro-Russia separatists since 2014.
Oleksandr Tarnavsky, commander of the Tavria operational-strategic grouping, Oleksandr Tarnavsky, commander of the Tavria operational-strategic grouping, told the national News Agency of Ukraine, Ukrinform.
“The movement of our forces continues,” Tarnavsky wrote on Telegram on Saturday. “There are tangible successes and progress.”
The Guardian cannot independently verify the claims.
I knew, I just knew that one day I’d end up at Farty Towels if I visited the UK often enough. Today is that day.
Our host (male) is a less dapper Basil, in trackies and that “bless you little woman” jocular style when you ask him something sensible like…are we allowed to park in the street outside?
Is that your car?
Yes.
You aren’t a resident?
No.
You need a sticker. You don’t have a sticker.
Oh. Is there a carpark nearby?
Well…you go right to the end of the street and turn right, then turn left and there’s a carpark.
How far would that be? (thinking about lugging bags)
Oh…it’s a fair way.
A kilometre?
No. About 100metres. Hahaha!
Blood pressure under control, thankfully. Murder was in my heart though. Death by blunt object. Like my very large camera shoved up the bugger’s clacker.
The room is indescribable. Two floors up, forty four steps on my ruined knee (thanks Mum). Four poster canopy bed of great ricketyness and hardness, a carpet that looks as if the sea outside has washed in and left a tide of decaying creatures on it. In the centre is a shag pile rug which I dare not move for fear of what’s underneath it. The floor itself slopes to one side, downhill all the way to the bathroom.
I love travel, and something odd always turns up. Not expecting enormous seagulls trying to get in at the only open window, either.
For mine, the driver is simply the life force. They (well, certainly my two) are simply not going to go gently into that good night, and the longer they can pretend, if only to themselves, that things are OK the better.
Currently, the new vogue is “this happened but don’t tell [insert name here]”. If they could see the family WhatsApp group, they might be a tad surprised!
Annoying, understandable and, as I said, a bit inspirational (if you squint).
More of Calli’s Grand Tour! Good news.
Wagner PMC offered amnesty and public buildings in Moscow being cleared out.
Vigilance and heightened concerns should be the order of the day, I think Dot. If the Russian lines appear to be crumbling it could be nuke time.
Wow
https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1672608115135594499
Artoir
@ItsArtoir
Video claiming to be from 217th Guards Airborne Regiment.
The soldier addresses Prigozhin and says they are ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with him in his fight against the Ministry of Defense.
Well then. Hopefully, no tactical nukes are launched overnight. Wagner column probably too close for that anyway.
As a man once said, I hope the Russians love their children too.
Meanwhile, it’s a summer spree here at this Welsh seaside town. The morning started much like any morning – dreary, foggy and drizzly.
Time for a boat ride out to the island, still the home of Cistercian monks. Better than mooching around in pubs watching the rain. Twenty minutes later and we arrived, I negotiated both the tractor-drawn wharf (the tides here are massive) and the stone pier on the island with less style and more luck on the pitching swell. The combination of ancient, lichen encrusted buildings and vibrant briar roses in full bloom made for some excellent photographs. There have been monks on the island since the seventh century.
Back in Tenby, the sun made his appearance with great fanfare and the streets soon became crowded with holiday makers. Observation – acres of pale female flesh littered with tattoos – the Beloved calls it “advertising space”. Age is not a barrier to these artworks, nor is body shape. No one looks healthy. Ninety percent, men and women, are vastly overweight, some morbidly. And the dogs…many, many dogs, treated like humans which in my opinion belittles them.
As I looked around, I had the same impression that I have had back at home…a culture in decline.
Oh, and no need to give my comments a dickless passive aggressive zero.
Just scroll them. It will separate you from the lower animals by exercising a little self control.
Tenby is a walled town, like so many in this part of Wales. Some vehicles are allowed in, but only if you have a pass. Everyone else must take pot luck for parking.
Our GPS decided to have some enjoyment at our expense and send us on the shortest route from St David’s (more on this magical place later). This included incredibly narrow country lanes hedged on either side with the occasional passing bay. Not for the faint hearted. Especially in school bus hours.
At least it gave an opportunity to see farmland up close rather than viewing it from the motorway.
What amazes me is the speed that drivers travel at on these narrow lanes. The Beloved is under strict instructions not to play James Bond. The daggy, over-electronically gizmo-ed Seat is no Aston Martin.
Thanks for the travel updates Calli.
Always enjoyable reading.
I’ve never seen such a big political muddle in my life.
There’s coup going on in Russia.
The GOP front runner is being tied up with demonrat lawfare.
The corruption coming out about the Hiden crime family is just breathtaking.
If this Russia thing is still going on Monday stocks are going to get shit canned.
FMD, what a muddle.
Barking Toad says:
June 25, 2023 at 1:49 am
Ditto, I can get physically unwell when traveling out of my comfort zone (anywhere I can’t get by driving), so I enjoy the experience of other’s vicariously.
Have to be full of Serepax when flying.
The interwebs are great for that, if you only want pictures.
Cronkite
It’s not just you, but we’ve all been underestimating Hiden as he’s actually looking to be a very consequential president. He’s an evil, corrupt bastard who bumbles around in public, but if you look at the policies he’s enacted and the control he has over the executive, he’s been more far-reaching than the Trumpster.
He passed the massive anti-inflation bill, which was a laughable massive spending program favoring his supporters.
He essentially reopened the southern border.
He attained so much control over intel, federal policing, and legal functions that he could end up putting Trump, the leading GOP candidate, in jail.
He’s jailed a large number of the J6 folks for the filmiest reasons.
He left Afghanistan.
COVID policies went his way.
Most importantly, he galvanised Europe to not just defend Ukraine but also take down Putin, which looks like it could succeed.
The Green New Deal is going through for the most part.
In terms of being a consequential president, and I really hate to say this, Hiden has been more meaningful than Trump, the Kenyan, and even Bush Jr.
We shouldn’t underestimate this POS.
JC says:
June 25, 2023 at 3:22 am
Precisely, I think he will be the one who laughs last.
People keep saying what a bumbling old fool he is, but in reality he is a rat cunning b…
His non campaigning and subsequent win in the last election proves it.
As much as I’d like Trump to win, he hasn’t got a chance.
Oh no! What a disaster! It’s over. Possibly.
https://www.rt.com/russia/578632-wagner-agrees-to-end-insurrection/
Week In Pictures.
I agree with you, JC. Biden is the American radical left’s wet dream, a puppet presidency signing into law the radical left’s agenda that Americans would never vote for and opening the southern border al a Kevin Rudd in 2007 — all made possible because of industrial-scale cheating in the 2020 election.
Since the radical left sill controls the means to prevent a GOP from ever winning the swing states through electoral cheating, Trump has no chance of winning in 2024. Until he addresses the cheating issue, he’s living in fantasy land.
Trump is getting no help from the GOP establishment because he is an outsider threatening to clean up corruption in their system from which the GOP establishment benefits, from Mitch McConnell down.
Baba says:
June 25, 2023 at 3:54 am
Yes, Lukashenko had a word with the boss and the insurrection seems to be over.
Although, it is a death sentence for some.
Time will tell.
If true, M0nty and dafisk will be absent for a while, silver lining, what?
In a fold of the Welsh hills, on a far promontory of this country of dragons, wizards and magic, sits the cathedral and shrine of St David. The patron saint of Wales sits, not in a capital city, but in the countryside…his shrine in a great church that has endured for fourteen hundred years.
The way to the cathedral is circuitous, it does not sit on a thoroughfare or square. You must find a footpath between old houses and pubs…a turn and there it is, displayed before you, but much lower down. Stairs or path, each circles a burial ground on the hillside, shaded by ancient oak and sycamore, stone walls bristling with hart’s tongue and stonecrop, covered with moss and lichen.
I took the sloping path, a pilgrim born on St David’s Day, and there was some ease for my aching knee as I descended. More delight in the surroundings than anything mystical. The cathedral is beautiful, and it was spared by both Henry VIII and Cromwell. There is a reason or the former – a Tudor forebear has his tomb there.
Oh. And the seagull is still at the window even after we have been out to dinner and returned. And it brought its friend!
These gulls are enormous and malevolent looking.
I don’t know what it expects to eat, unless it’s us. I have taken a photo of the pair just in case we are consumed in the night and the police need an identikit image for forensics.
Oh no! It gets even worser!
https://www.rt.com/russia/578634-wagner-boss-cancels-advance/
Baba
Stop kidding yourself. One of these blockheads is going to be found below the 10th floor terrace of a hotel having accidentally falling.
Wagner dude basically waged a war against Putin
Putin called the Wagner dude a traitor.
In what universe are these two going hug and make up with everything forgotten.