Open Thread – Mon 14 Aug 2023


An Iron Forge, Joseph Wright of Derby, 1772

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Gabor
Gabor
August 14, 2023 1:01 am

Morning all, another week older.
Where will it all end?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 14, 2023 1:13 am
Top Ender
Top Ender
August 14, 2023 1:14 am

Hello from Messina, Siciliy. Went hunting for a plaque to General Patton, but didn’t find one. Then again, the Allies dropped 650 tonnes of bombs on the place, so maybe the locals would rather forget WWII.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 14, 2023 1:19 am

Tons not tonnes!

Gabor
Gabor
August 14, 2023 1:24 am

Top Ender
Aug 14, 2023 1:19 AM

Tons not tonnes!

i thought the difference was in usage only, British vs US, as both mean the same weight?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 1:25 am

WHITHER THE WEATHER?

The scenes out of Lahaina on Maui are horrific, but naturally the climate cult is rushing to say the inferno that engulfed the town is yet more proof of climate change, and hand over your car keys and gas stoves now. “Yes, I Blame the Climate Crisis for the Horrors on Maui,” says a writer in that premier science journal Esquire.

Never mind that Hawaiian officials have been warning for years that overgrowth of non-native grasses on the dry side of Maui and other Hawaiian islands was creating a severe wildfire risk. (For an antidote to the madness, see “Stop claiming that fires in Canada, Greece, and now Maui are due to climate change.”)

Much of the summer’s news has been about heat waves, which are also said to be proof of climate change, even though very few record high temperatures were broken this summer.

Heat waves have always been big news for the media, but decades ago no one thought to blame them on human sin.

It is worth following a fellow named Don Penim on Twitter.

Mr. Penim appears to have sufficient leisure time on his hands to scour old newspaper archives for articles on heat waves and extreme weather events,

and he also turned up headlines from a few decades ago to remind us that wildfires not not unusual for Hawaii:

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 14, 2023 1:31 am

1 tonne is 1000kg. Near enough to 2205 pounds. An English ton is 2240 pounds. A US ton is 2000 pounds.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 1:34 am

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Top Ender
Aug 14, 2023 1:19 AM

Tons not tonnes!

Ton vs. Tonne – What’s the Difference?

When it comes to measuring weight or mass, the words “ton” and “tonne” are often used interchangeably. But did you know that they actually have different meanings and are used in different contexts? In this quick guide, I’ll take a closer look at the definitions, differences, and proper usage of these two words.

What Is the Definition of a Ton?

A ton is an American unit of mass that is equal to 2,000 pounds (or 907.185 kilograms). It’s commonly used in the United States and is often used to measure things like cargo, vehicles, and even food.

For example, if you were to say that a truck was carrying “five tons of apples,” it would mean that the truck was carrying 10,000 pounds of apples.

However – an unqualified mention of a ton almost invariably refers to a short ton of 2000 pounds (907 kg) and to a lesser extent to a long ton of 2240 pounds (1020 kg)

What Is a Tonne?

The word “tonne” means a metric unit of weight or mass that is equal to 1,000 kilograms (or 2,205 pounds). We widely use it in the United Kingdom and other parts of the world that use the metric system. This measure of mass is also used to measure things like cargo, vehicles, equipment, and food.

Like, if I told you that a truck was carrying “two tonnes of potatoes,” it would mean that the truck was carrying 2,000 kilograms of potatoes. Make sense?

To sum it all up

The tonne (/t?n/ (listen) or /t?n/; symbol: t) is a unit of mass equal to 1000 kilograms. It is a non-SI unit accepted for use with SI.[1] It is also referred to as a metric ton to distinguish it from the non-metric units of the short ton (United States customary units), and the long ton (British imperial units).[2][3] It is equivalent to approximately 2204.6 pounds,[4] 1.102 short tons, and 0.984 long tons.

Tom
Tom
August 14, 2023 4:10 am
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Tom
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Tom
August 14, 2023 4:13 am
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Tom
August 14, 2023 4:14 am
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Tom
August 14, 2023 4:15 am
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Tom
August 14, 2023 4:16 am
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Tom
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August 14, 2023 4:20 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
August 14, 2023 4:42 am

Andrew Bolt:

The Voice is bad enough. Worse for the Albanese government is that its other crusade – 82 per cent green electricity by 2030! – is suddenly collapsing, too.

No surprise, of course, given the global warming zealot in charge.

Remember the Rudd and Gillard Labor governments letting in 50,000 illegal boat people? Chris Bowen was the immigration minister for 2½ years of that, and let his crusading zeal shut his eyes to the obvious fix.

When the Liberals said “turn back the boats”, Bowen mocked the plan as “ridiculous”, “dangerous” and “totally unworkable”.

Yet under the new Abbott government, it worked.

Now here’s crusader Bowen back again, this time as Energy and Climate Change Minister, trying to change the whole way our electricity system works. Telling us to trust him to replace most of our coal and gas-fired generators with renewable energy in just seven years – and even cut your power bills, too. All to pretend to fix a pretend climate “crisis”.

But here are the latest signs that Bowen’s plans are falling to pieces, threatening us with both higher bills and power shortages.

POWER CORD BLOWS OUT
Tasmania’s Premier this month said the cost of the planned Marinus Link power cable to link Tasmania to Victoria had blown out so badly that he’d need more money from the Albanese government.

This cable would let Tasmania sell green hydro and wind power to green Victoria, now dangerously short of electricity, as well as to other eastern states.

What’s more, every other new major connector needed to shift power around the country has also blown out. HumeLink, to connect the Snowy 2.0 project, is estimated to have tripled in price, to $3.3bn.

SNOWY 2.0 DISASTER
The Snowy 2.0 pumped hydro storage project is meant to be our biggest store of green power. It’s supposed to use wind and solar power to pump water to a higher dam when there’s lots of cheap electricity, and let it fall to make hydro electricity when we’re running short.

Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister promised it would cost $2bn, but costs now are estimated at $10bn, excluding the wires. The project is still years from being finished, with a digging machine stuck underground for a year.

GREEN HYDROGEN FAIL
The government has touted hydrogen – a gas made from water – as the miracle new green fuel, even though it takes massive electricity to make and hasn’t been proved commercial at scale,

Last month, the big Atco gas company scrapped plans for a green hydrogen plant in Western Australia, and it isn’t the first corporate titan to back out.

Last year, steel producer BlueScope Steel admitted it would be decades before hydrogen could be used to make steel, after Shell pulled out of a joint project to test using green hydrogen for a blast furnace.

Chris Bowen then demanded the new Kurri Kurri generator in NSW be run on hydrogen, but that couldn’t be done, either.

ABORIGINES KYBOSH WIND POWER

Last month Bowen himself bizarrely wrecked a giant offshore wind project off Victoria’s coast, after a local Aboriginal group opposed it. He said the project, which would have been 10km from the coast, had to be double that, adding to costs and putting it in doubt.

No wonder Bowen’s plan to “build around 40 wind turbines a month” until 2030 is running way behind schedule.

People hate wind farms spoiling their views, so Bowen demanded more turbines in the sea instead, even though they cost twice the price. Now even those are being fought.

HATE THOSE TRANSMISSION LINES

Bowen also says we need at least 10,000km of transmission lines to hook up all those new wind and solar farms we’ll need.

But farmers and other land owners are fighting them, causing delays and a jump in compensation to as much as $300,000 per kilometre. In June, CleanCo, a Queensland state-owned entity, cancelled a planned wind farm because of delays to connections to the grid, as well as rising costs.

COMPANIES WAVE WHITE FLAG

Last week Boral, a huge corporate emitter, thanks particularly to its concrete making, said its planned emission cuts were up to a third behind its 2025 targets.

Miner Rio Tinto last month said it probably wouldn’t hit its own 2025 target because there wasn’t enough constant green power for its aluminium smelters.

Yes, a crash is coming that will make the defeat of the Voice look like a minor faux pas for the government. Read these signs, and weep for the country.

It’s a stunning smorgasbord of ineptitude to which of course Bowen and all the other proponents of this crap are totally immune to.

Johnny Rotten
August 14, 2023 4:54 am

Thanks again Tom.

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 14, 2023 5:13 am

Some of you might have been dismissive of people who talk about a new chronology. Probably with good reason. These guys have come up with a lot of reasons not to trust the mainstream chronology but its when they talk about their own version of how things went down, thats where their arguments are quite weak. It seems that when we have a disaster we lose our sense of time and there is just general confusion. A sixty year stretch ends up being treated as 300 years. Events that overlapped tend to be placed in sequence. This phenomenon seems to have happened both after the bronze age collapse and again in the time span that separates us from Saint Paul. So I want to save you a lot of hassle and give you the best of these people who have researched this area. Gunnar Heinsohn. Unfortunately he is having a lot of heart issues. Or else he might have been the fellow who could have decisively worked this business out, giving us a more accurate version of history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYuG8iFEVrc

Petros
Petros
August 14, 2023 5:59 am

This is what I wrote on CL’s blog:

Most likely the Ukraine support is all due to the petrodollar being threatened. The euro was the most likely replacement currency so they have to destroy the EU economies, too. The BRICS are now rapidly working toward their own system. The final stupid decision was to confiscate the private property of some Russians. A huge alarm bell went off for the wealthy in other countries. Our leaders are imprudent morons.

What do others think? I like trying to read the tea-leaves, as inconsequential as my interpretations are.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 6:14 am

I made a comment the other day about looking at cases not prosecuted/waved away by the former Director of Public Prosecutions – looks like that’s only one aspect, more to the point what ones went ahead under the watch of the former DPP – Janet Albrechtsen and Stephen Rice have found another case which went ahead despite warnings of the utter debacle that would ensue for the complainant and the complained against, surprise, surprise the warning to the DPP came from Stephen Whybrow SC. Here is the article in full:

‘Cruel humiliation’: prosecutors rejected plea to spare rape complainant

Prosecutors in the ACT went ahead with the rape trial of a university student despite being repeatedly warned it would only end up humiliating and further damaging the young woman who had made the allegation because there was clear evidence she had lied.

Defence barrister Steven Whybrow SC wrote to the prosecutor before the man’s trial in April pointing out that the complainant’s story was so wildly contradictory and at odds with the evidence that “even the gentlest cross-examination of this complainant is going to be devastating and humiliating for her”.

“I am genuinely concerned about the effect running this case might have on this young woman,” he said. “Such a prosecution will not advance the position of persons genuinely subjected to sexual assault.”

The jury found Mr Matters, an Australian National University student and former Labor staffer, not guilty of the charges.

He and the complainant had been in a “friends with benefits” relationship but on one occasion, the woman said, he would not stop sex when she asked him to.

She contacted police in 2021 after seeing media reports that Mr Matters had been charged with assaulting another woman. Those charges were later dropped, but Mr Matters was sacked from his job in the office of federal Labor MP David Smith.

Mr Matters strenuously denies the allegations made by both women.

During the April trial, mess­ages sent by the woman to her friends were presented in court, including one that said: “I slept with him multiple times … I don’t know if I got raped.”

In recorded audio messages to Mr Matters the day after the ­alleged rape, the woman asked him for sex.

“F..k me Daddy,” she texted.

“I want you to f..k me so hard,” she wrote in another message.

The woman, who had given evidence remotely from a separate room, could be heard crying as the audio messages were played.

Months later, when the pair went for a walk, the woman asked Mr Matters to have no-strings-attached sex that night. Three days later, she reported him.

Revelations about the Matters case come in the wake of findings against ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold SC, who resigned after the Sofronoff inquiry accused him of “serious misconduct” during the investigation into and prosecution of Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins.

Police have expressed anger at continued claims by Mr Drumgold following the inquiry that police were undercharging in sexual assault cases.

Mr Drumgold did not act directly in the prosecution case against the university student but Mr Matters has demanded to know whether the then-DPP was involved behind the scenes.

In an email on May 19, 2023, just after Mr Drumgold had completed his five days in the witness box at the Sofronoff inquiry, Mr Whybrow told Mr Matters his case was “a pretty damning indictment (no pun intended) in my view as to the ‘run everything no matter what’ attitude that pervaded that office – both as at August 2021 but ongoing to now”.

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has ruled out any investigation of cases conducted or authorised by Mr Drumgold during his term in office.

Mr Whybrow says the Office of the DPP caused unnecessary harm to the young woman in the Matters case, as well as his client.

After watching the evidence-in-chief-interview conducted by police with the woman, Mr Whybrow messaged the prosecutor before the trial requesting it be discontinued. “It’s going to be just humiliating for (the complainant) if this matter runs. Happy to take you through step by step 80% of what our xxm (cross-examination) will be – though it’s not rocket science,” he wrote.

After going through some of the evidence, Mr Whybrow said: “Can I urge, if only for the sake of protecting (the complainant) from what on her own EICI and the added calls to Alex (Matters) will be nothing short of a cruel humiliation, that the prosecution reconsiders this matter. Sorry to rant but I genuinely want to try and have (the complainant) avoid what is coming if at all possible.”

The prosecutor advised: “I will speak to the complainant in general terms about the court process, including cross-examination.”

Mr Whybrow wrote back noting the woman’s “very unusual understanding as to the nature of consent … might explain why she has claimed to have been sexually assaulted by at least four others we have identified so far”.

“Even within the EICI itself there are a number of statements that suggest a belief by the complainant that if she has sex that she subsequently regrets or was less than 100% enthusiastic about (notwithstanding she objectively agreed to engage in that activity), it nonetheless becomes non-­consensual at her election or discretion after the event,” he wrote.

“The jury and wider world does not need to hear that (the complainant) asked Mr Matters if she could call him ‘Daddy’ while having sex … something she confirms the very next day when she sends him a voicemail saying ‘F..k me Daddy’.”

The woman was highly active in the #MeToo movement and her friends had been aware she was in a casual sexual relationship with Mr Matters “which extended to propositioning him for sex only a few days before accusing him of raping her 4 months previously”.

“Suggestions she has either made this complaint to (literally) #metoo herself on the bandwagon, or to try and address as what she sees as a massive risk to her image as an outspoken ‘victim survivor’ by regularly sleeping with someone now publicly named as an accused rapist – or both – will be difficult for the prosecution to refute.

“The legitimate challenges that will necessarily have to be made to her credibility if this prosecution is maintained are going to be multiple and significant.

“A simple Google search will show some of the multitude of prior claims of having been sexually assaulted with descriptions by her at times that are simply inconsistent with such allegations or any sensible understanding of what is consent – or personal responsibility and accountability for her own behaviour and choices.

“I suggest there is neither reasonable prospects of obtaining a conviction nor any public interest in requiring (her) to be subjected to cross-examination on what are objectively inconsistent complaints which at their worst could be said to be fabricated.

“We have identified four persons we are hoping to obtain statements from to the effect that they had consensual sex with (the complainant) and she subsequently accused them of sexual assault.”

The prosecutor wrote back stating that “close regard has been had to the concerns raised by you … At the time of writing, there is no evidence that I am aware of that any prior allegation of sexual ­assault made by the complainant was demonstrably false.”

The case would go ahead, the prosecutor said.

Mr Whybrow told The Australian: “For good or bad, our criminal justice system is an adversarial one and if an accused person is not permitted (within appropriate bounds) to challenge the accuracy or veracity of a witness, even if the collateral effect may be humiliating or embarrassing, it’s hard to see how there can be a fair trial.”

Mr Matters told Sky last week that while he would never regain the two years of life he had lost, he would be speaking to lawyers about potentially suing the ACT government.

Beertruk
August 14, 2023 6:21 am

Today’s Tele:

A HISTORYLESSON FOR YES MAN ALBANESE
TIM BLAIR
‘We’re learning from history,’ Anthony Albanese stated last year, explaining that his vision for a Voice to Parliament would be big on emotion, but light on information.
“What I’m not going to do,” Albanese told the ABC’s Insiders show, “is to go down the cul-de-sac of getting into every detail because that is not a recipe for success.”
Instead of providing unhelpful information and dangerous details – which Albanese blamed for the failure of the republican referendum in 1999 – the PM’s “recipe for success” would apparently involve pointlessly imprecise discussions about nothing anybody could accurately describe.
“There will be a debate,” Albanese predicted.
That debate, he continued, “will be dynamic … and that will be a living process that changes and evolves over time”.
Nobody knew what Albo was talking about then, including Albo himself, and nobody whose bloodstream is clear of hallucinogens has worked it out since.
Prime Ministerial bewilderment aside, however, Albanese took the wrong lesson from the events of 1999.
It wasn’t only the details that killed the republic. It was

also brought down by the arrogance and sense of superiority exhibited by republican advocates, and their plain hostility toward Australians of opposing views.
Nearly a quarter of a century later the same overbearing types are again talking down to their perceived inferiors – and will very likely again cost themselves a referendum victory.
Voice activist Marcia Langton revealed in April a belief that her own importance ought be enough to secure a Yes outcome.
“I imagine that most Australians who are non-Indigenous, if we lose the referendum, will not be able to look me in the eye,” Langton told The Weekend Australian.
Can’t imagine why. Many Australians, both Indigenous and non-Indigenous, don’t have a problem even today with looking Langton in the eye and telling her they’re voting No.
Langton also thinks threatening a cut in welcome to country ceremonies will lure voters to the Yes camp.
“How are they going to ever ask an Indigenous person, a Traditional Owner, for a welcome to country?” Langton asked.
“How are they ever going to be able to ask me to come and speak at their conference?
“If they have the temerity to do it, of course the answer is going to be no.”
If it’ll guarantee a reduction in country welcoming ceremonies or Langton conference speeches, the answer to the Voice referendum is also going to be no. Imagine being so out of touch with mainstream Australia to believe otherwise.
Speaking of which, former newspaper columnist Mike

Carlton now displays the same blind anger online about Voice opponents as he once did about constitutional monarchists.
“The No voters seem to fall into four camps,” Carlton, who personally and alarmingly falls into the early morning Whale Beach nudist camp, observed last week.
“1). The Duttonistas, who don’t give a f… about the country but just want to inflict a defeat on Albo. 2). Racists. 3). The jealous and bitter, kicking down. 4). F…wits.”
Some of Carlton’s fellow Yes voters were appalled.
“If Mike Carlton were a saboteur paid by the No campaign, he couldn’t do much better than this,” wrote one.
“And this is typical of pro-Voice commentary on Twitter.” It definitely is.
Our social media intelligentsia isn’t intelligent enough to work out that attacking large numbers of voters won’t make them switch sides (Carlton, by the way, blamed a “deluge” of unpleasant commentary from “aggressive morons” for his ill-advised attempt to “hit back”. With skin that thin, you’d think beachcomber Mike would be averse to exposing so much of it).
Maybe Albanese was right to dodge details, though, in the case of pro-Voice Professor Megan Davis, who’s really tripped up lately.
“The Uluru Statement from the Heart isn’t just the first one-page statement,” Davis said in 2008.
She repeated the claim, as Peta Credlin’s excellent reporting revealed, four years later: “The Uluru Statement … is occasionally mistaken as merely a one-page document.”
But with size now an issue, Davis last week changed her mind: “The Uluru Statement is just one page.”

Details, details. Let’s give a final word to the Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney, who last month told the Press Club that the evil No campaign was “importing Trump-style politics to Australia”.
“Voting Yes is an act of patriotism,” Burney added. “We are the greatest country in the world and we can be even greater.”
She wants to Make Australia Great Again. Who exactly is importing the Trump-style politics?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 14, 2023 6:23 am

We have identified four persons we are hoping to obtain statements from to the effect that they had consensual sex with (the complainant) and she subsequently accused them of sexual assault.

Why are blokes avoiding this ever-growing preponderance of stupid, stupid women again?

It’s like playing Russian roulette with one empty chamber instead of five.

Bluey
Bluey
August 14, 2023 6:42 am

Petros
Aug 14, 2023 5:59 AM
This is what I wrote on CL’s blog:

Most likely the Ukraine support is all due to the petrodollar being threatened. The euro was the most likely replacement currency so they have to destroy the EU economies, too. The BRICS are now rapidly working toward their own system. The final stupid decision was to confiscate the private property of some Russians. A huge alarm bell went off for the wealthy in other countries. Our leaders are imprudent morons.

What do others think? I like trying to read the tea-leaves, as inconsequential as my interpretations are.

The supposed leaders in the west are incompetent. And worse, they actively keep anyone competent from any position that might threaten them.
All the easily foreseeable things, like you’ve given as an example, or the failing power grid, just demonstrate it more and more clearly. Unfortunately, I have come to conclude we have to have a complete collapse before reversing course, but the whole keeping anyone competent away doesn’t fill me with optimism that it will end well.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 14, 2023 6:44 am

Banner headline on the picture wireless this morning:

Climbers deny accusations of walking over dying man on K2 summit

You gotta want it.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 14, 2023 6:48 am

Gornski?

The identical twin brother of wife-killer Chris Dawson is facing serious allegations of having sex with underage girls, after one of his former students claimed he took advantage of her, and she was “intimate” with him a number of times at school.

Former student Shelley Oates-Wilding on Sunday revealed she had been in a sexual relationship with her teacher Paul Dawson when she was a teenager in 1980-81.

Oz

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 14, 2023 6:55 am

So BB your not a Turtlehead Bowen supporter then? The voters in his electorate must be thickest in Australia. He must still need his hand held to cross the road.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 6:56 am

Why are blokes avoiding this ever-growing preponderance of stupid, stupid women again?

It’s like playing Russian roulette with one empty chamber instead of five.

third Way feminism is so destructive. I have a close family relative who ‘believes all women’. This relative is a kind, compassionate, loving human being, would never tell a lie and is simply a beautiful woman inside and out – unfortunately she believes all women are like her. I have yet to tell her the story of Sarah Jane Parkingson.

I do wonder about Graceless Tame — I know her story quite well and I do wonder if her very public role in the #metoo movement is a form of expiation for whatever she perceives as her part in sexual abuse of which she definitely was a victim.

She is the perfect example of the life-destroying damage that sexual abuse causes those who are not skilfully rehabilitated to life beyond the abuse — Graceless certainly was co-opted by the Labor party, her viciousness, rudeness and vitriol against the Prime Minister at the Australian of the Year ceremony was indicative again of being susceptible and of advantage being taken by bad actors with an agenda.

It is very sad but she is a grown-up now, and I believe still needs help but is not getting it from those who want to ameliorate her life not abuse her all over again.

132andBush
132andBush
August 14, 2023 7:00 am

‘Cruel humiliation’: prosecutors rejected plea to spare rape complainant

I may be missing something here but this woman deserves a massive dose of humiliation.
False rape accusations are evil.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 7:02 am

False rape accusations are evil.

Fact check: true

And those who progress those false accusations into prosecutions are more evil still.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 7:08 am

Chris Bowen really does have small man syndrome. A pompous popinjay who looks in the mirror and sees a lion. Watching him in parliament for the microseconds i can stand, he looks like an out-of-control ‘Punch’ all bovine bluster and flailing arms and, we the public, are his ill-treated battered ‘Judy’.

A small cantankerous cretin in charge of our future well-being and prosperity.

132andBush
132andBush
August 14, 2023 7:13 am

And those who progress those false accusations into prosecutions are more evil still.

I see now. (more coffee needed)

It just read to me that Whybrow had more concern for the malicious woman than his client.
Just his way of trying to get the DPP to change it’s mind.

Gabor
Gabor
August 14, 2023 7:13 am

Tintarella di Luna
Aug 14, 2023 7:08 AM

Chris Bowen really does have small man syndrome. A pompous popinjay who looks in the mirror and sees a lion.

A small cantankerous cretin in charge of our future well-being and prosperity.

You are being too kind.
I wonder if they are really that stupid not to realise the harm their policy is doing or is it deliberate?

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 14, 2023 7:16 am

Just magnificent Tinta.

132andBush
132andBush
August 14, 2023 7:17 am

Gabor,
It’s deliberate.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 7:25 am

is it deliberate?

yes because they do not care about the everyman, they are all about getting power holding on to it at whatever cost, basically, a soulless, conscience-free Eloi. Sadly, I don’t think I’ve the stomach for the future, glad I am as old as I am.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 7:28 am

I have a close family relative who ‘believes all women’. This relative is a kind, compassionate, loving human being, would never tell a lie and is simply a beautiful woman inside and out …

No she isn’t.
Anyone who believes one gender has the capacity to rape but the other gender doesn’t have the capacity to lie is a close-minded, cold hearted bitch.
Sure, she might dress it up as hand-patting Christian and/or social justice compassion, but that is the truth.
God forbid this moron ever ends up on a jury.

I have yet to tell her the story of Sarah Jane Parkingson.

It’s time you did.
Without waiting for the subject to casually arise.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 14, 2023 7:29 am

Why are blokes avoiding this ever-growing preponderance of stupid, stupid women again?

For the last few weeks I have been teaching a Respectful Relationships unit to a bunch of year 12s. The boys were treating it as a joke until I referenced this particular case. Even the girls couldn’t believe it was true.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 7:34 am

It just read to me that Whybrow had more concern for the malicious woman than his client.
Just his way of trying to get the DPP to change it’s mind.

I think it was a thinly veiled way of saying that the cross examination will be tough, and his complainant will fall over under pressure.
Remember. ACT Legal Aid wouldn’t fund Whybrow to defend Lehrmann because he was “too tough”. They wanted a defender who would suggest “differing recollections” rather the complainant lying.
Which immediately makes the defendant sound shifty and half-admitting guilt.

amortiser
amortiser
August 14, 2023 7:45 am

The story about Mr Matters rape charge is frightening on so many levels.

The definition of consent has been rendered nonsensical if after being made aware of the flaws in the complainant’s story the DPP proceeds with the charge.

I don’t think Whybrow should be beyond criticism.
He has a client who has been falsely accused of a crime which will put him in prison for up to 20 years and he is dancing on eggshells to protect the complainant.

In the wider interests of justice he should be exposing this disgraceful situation for all the world to see. The complainant deserves no quarter at all.

We either have a justice system or we don’t. What this case is showing is truly frightening.

132andBush
132andBush
August 14, 2023 7:46 am

I think it was a thinly veiled way of saying that the cross examination will be tough, and his complainant will fall over under pressure.

Which she deserves, but it also drags the bloke through the wringer as well.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 14, 2023 7:49 am

Thank you for the art dover_beach. The variety inspires.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 7:54 am

Which she deserves, but it also drags the bloke through the wringer as well.

Yes.
Which I think Whybrow was trying to avoid by politely advising the DPP that he had others who would attest to her serial lying, and he (Whybrow) was going to rip her to pieces.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 14, 2023 7:58 am

Mr Drumgold resigned as the ACT Director of Public Prosecutions last week after the inquiry into the handling of Mr Lehrmann’s rape trial made several adverse findings against him, which he has refuted.

Dumbgeld has rejected the findings, he has not offered any evidence to refute them.

caveman
caveman
August 14, 2023 7:59 am

What I’m not going to do,” Albanese told the ABC’s Insiders show, “is to go down the cul-de-sac of getting into every detail because that is not a recipe for success.”

Next CEO of Oceangate.
Any structural engineers out there take note , you don’t need details.
Build it and let it fail.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 14, 2023 8:00 am

Gabor
Aug 14, 2023 1:24 AM
Top Ender
Aug 14, 2023 1:19 AM

Tons not tonnes!

i thought the difference was in usage only, British vs US, as both mean the same weight?

A small difference. A ton is 2240 pounds, a tonne is 1000 kilograms, or 2204.6 pounds.

Crossie
Crossie
August 14, 2023 8:02 am

GreyRanga
Aug 14, 2023 6:55 AM
So BB you’re not a Turtlehead Bowen supporter then? The voters in his electorate must be thickest in Australia. He must still need his hand held to cross the road.

Commenter Shatterzzz lives in his electorate and explained that a huge number of voters are recipients of some form of government largesse and will keep voting for Bowen who keeps promising the same and more.

m0nty
m0nty
August 14, 2023 8:06 am

News out of Georgia that Trump went the full Nixon, break-in and everything. And even more incompetently, as Fani Willis doesn’t need a Deep Throat, they kept notes on their criminal conspiracy.

Everyone involved in that deserves gaol. Most will get it.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 14, 2023 8:09 am

And in walks the fat lesbian to exhale his queef over the blog. FMD

Crossie
Crossie
August 14, 2023 8:09 am

Sancho Panzer
Aug 14, 2023 7:34 AM
It just read to me that Whybrow had more concern for the malicious woman than his client.
Just his way of trying to get the DPP to change it’s mind.

I think it was a thinly veiled way of saying that the cross examination will be tough, and his complainant will fall over under pressure.

By this point the injustice has already been administered to the accused. He has been indicted on spurious claims, is suffering psychologically and on top of all that he has to spend enormous amounts of money on his defence. Spite seems to be the motive in all of these cases, also brings to mind the plot of To Kill A Mockingbird minus the racial angle.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 8:10 am

Dumbgeld has rejected the findings, he has not offered any evidence to refute them.

Remember Bob Hawke’s favourite word?
“Aaaaarrggh, no, I repudiate that absolutely, Jana …”
And Dumgeld has actually confirmed many of the findings in his own evidence to the Sofronoff enquiry.

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 8:10 am

The pervert apologist appears.

eric hinton
eric hinton
August 14, 2023 8:13 am

Tintarella di Luna
Aug 14, 2023 7:49 AM
Thank you for the art dover_beach. The variety inspires.

Uptick. This site doubles as my remedial art appreciation class. Especially the handling of natural light by artists of times past.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 14, 2023 8:16 am

In todays Oz:

Voice opponents taking us down a divisive path
We must decry any argument designed to divide us by race. If political disunity is death, racial disunity is disgrace.

I cant read this as I longsince cancelled my subscription, but does the writer recognise the irony in the headline?

It is *because* da voice divides us on racial lines that the majority of citizens are against it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 8:16 am

By this point the injustice has already been administered to the accused.

None of which is the fault of, or in the control of the defence lawyer.
He was attempting to terminate the whole shit-show at the earliest possible point.
Most good defence lawyers are very good at “we are where we are” and trying to extricate their client from the situation.
If the lawyer joins in the hand-patting and pom-pom waving about the injustice of it all, you are screwed.

Foxbody
Foxbody
August 14, 2023 8:21 am

Maybe in rape/sexual assault matters the rule could be “ Publicity follows the event”
– no-one can be identified until the verdict. Then, if guilty, the perpetrator’s picture and details can be publicised. If not guilty, the complainant is revealed.
In the Matters case, he is identified ( was this his choice ? I do not know). Meanwhile the complainant who seems to have a long history of fabricating such allegations – maybe due to subsequent guilt about her lifestyle – remains safely anonymous to repeat her conduct.
Is this the case that was noted to be 100% Heidi Yates free?

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 8:24 am

We have identified four persons we are hoping to obtain statements from to the effect that they had consensual sex with (the complainant) and she subsequently accused them of sexual assault.

The false accuser should be arrested and charged immediately.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 8:24 am

The accused has no choice. Their name is on a court listing. The victim gives their evidence ‘in camera’ but otherwise the court is open to the public, with rare exceptions.
It’s in the public interest.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 8:25 am

I think Queensland is the only exception in the pre-trial stage.

Tom
Tom
August 14, 2023 8:25 am

A HISTORY LESSON FOR YES MAN ALBANESE

I’ve finally worked it out.

Anyone with an ounce of political nouse would sniff the wind, read the polling and conclude he was on a loser in the Voice and change tack.

But Elbow, the Troskyist activist from way back, not only isn’t very bright, but essentially believes the electorate is dumb, doesn’t have any ideas of its own (or morals, for that matter) and its opposition to the Voice will collapse when Canberra unleashes its avalanche of pro-Voice advertising propaganda in the run-up to the referendum.

Can Graeme Richardson or anyone else who understands electoral campaigning put the poor dumb idiot out of his misery?

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 8:27 am

“I am genuinely concerned about the effect running this case might have on this young woman,” he said. “Such a prosecution will not advance the position of persons genuinely subjected to sexual assault.”

I think the key is in the second sentence above. Whybrow knows these cases trivialise ‘persons genuinely subjected to sexual assault‘. He was giving a warning. Oh and remember, back in April he was still dealing with a DPP named Dumgold.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 8:28 am

And I don’t agree she should be charged.
She should have been told, unequivocally, by the office of the DPP, if not the police that what happened was not sexual assault and to change the way she behaved if she didn’t like the consequences of her own actions.
Feeling sexuallly dissatisfied, embarrassed, humiliated and ‘used’ is bad luck for you, not assault.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 14, 2023 8:29 am

The ABC continue to report the Maui fires without ever mentioning the fuel source that made the fires so intense.
Climate change is ritually chanted like a call to prayer from the minaret.
The next story “Bangkok sinking”
No prizes for guessing the first line of the report.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 14, 2023 8:29 am

The fat fascist fool bleats about unproven allegations of election interference in Georgia, while ignoring the mass of real (bank data) evidence of the collective mass of Biden corruption, which demonstrates how minor a matter Trump’s co plaints about electoral fraud (similar to complaints which DemonRats have made on other occasions) really are.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 14, 2023 8:31 am

1 tonne is 1000kg. Near enough to 2205 pounds. An English ton is 2240 pounds. A US ton is 2000 pounds.

Good heavens no, that would be like having differing definitions of a unit of measurement – how could that possibly work? Imagine building a house where the units of measurement changed over time – a metre got smaller for example?

Unrelated fact – two of the 3 principle functions of money are to be:
a ‘unit of account’ (meaning you can use it to measure value) and a ‘store of value’ (meaning its purchasing power is retained over time).

Given that inflationary printing causes any unit of fiat currency to become relentlessly ‘smaller’ over time, this would explain why our economic ‘house’ accumulates errors over time, until it collapses….

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 8:32 am

Matters is another who ought to get a decent payout from the ACT government, ditto Sarah Jane Parkinson’s ex, and the cadet in the 2016 case.
Is it a coincidence that the ACT is producing so many of these cases?
I’m not looking at Drumgold, I’m looking at the entire progressive infested swamp.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 8:34 am

Rosie

Aug 14, 2023 8:24 AM

The accused has no choice. Their name is on a court listing.

Yes.
I often read a report in the local rag about a sexual assault or DV case before the local courts.
Report says “name of accused withheld to prevent identification of the victim”.
Go to the online court list and there it is.

Criminal Division:
R v William James Bloggs

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 14, 2023 8:34 am

I do love how consistently our supposed betters (in this case the ‘Yes’ people) betray how stupid they are and through sheer hubris undermine their own grandiose plans.

Langton really does not realise that most people don’t give a rat’s clacker about smoking ceremonies and welcome to country ceremonies. She has not noticed that it is only organisations that order these things. People don’t go looking for an elder in a possum-skin to open barbecues and children’s parties (although the kiddies will be familiar with the concocted performances from school).

Yep, the ‘Yes’ advocates are doing to the ‘No’ advocates’ work. Hell, they even get the shits when ‘No’ pamphlets accurately quote them.

And when the silly thing falls over short of the majorities required, will they stand up, shake the dust off, and wonder if they may have done things better? This was the fight they picked, they had all the resources, compliant media and obsequious businesses. They decided how the message was to be formed and delivered, the message they had decided would win over the mindless drones.

They gave it their best shot. The one they thought could not fail.

But, nah! It will because of those idiot rubes!

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 14, 2023 8:34 am

Rosie
Aug 14, 2023 8:28 AM
And I don’t agree she should be charged.
She should have been told, unequivocally, by the office of the DPP, if not the police that what happened was not sexual assault and to change the way she behaved if she didn’t like the consequences of her own actions.
Feeling sexuallly dissatisfied, embarrassed, humiliated and ‘used’ is bad luck for you, not assault.

She has made multiple false sworn statements. Either the crime of perjury exists, or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, the law becomes a free-for-all.

She should (must) be charged.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 14, 2023 8:37 am

“Her truth”
That’s all!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 8:40 am

I see Darth Monty is making stuff up again.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 14, 2023 8:44 am

1 tonne is 1000kg. Near enough to 2205 pounds. An English ton is 2240 pounds. A US ton is 2000 pounds.

Other fun facts/definitions

One horse power can be:

– An engine of sufficient power to continuously do the work of one draft horse (noting that you would need to keep between 4 and 10 horses to do the equivalent work).
– Imperial: (746 watts)
– Metric: (736 watts)
– Boiler horsepower: (33,475 BTU/h)
– Hydraulic horsepower (flow rate (US gal/min) × pressure (lbf/in2) × 7/12,000)
– Taxable horsepower: an artificial rating for the purpose of taxing motor vehicles (the iconic French 2CV (deux chevaux) thus had a taxable rating of 2 HP
– Nominal HP – an early 19th-century rule of thumb used to estimate the power of steam engines – assuming ed a steam pressure of 7 psi (48 kPa), then using 7 × area of piston in square inches × equivalent piston speed in feet per minute/33,000.

And dont even get me started on the various definitions of sunrise etc

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 8:45 am

krainians Begin To Despair As Bloody Counteroffensive Yields Small Gains

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, AUG 13, 2023 – 10:45 PM

Authored by Kyle Anzalone via The Libertarian Institute,

According to the Washington Post, many citizens of Ukraine are adopting a darker mood about the war with Russia, and national unity is beginning to fray. The change in sentiment comes as Kiev’s spring counteroffensive fails to retake significant territory despite surging casualties.

“Ukrainians, much in need of good news, are simply not getting any,” the Washington Post reported Thursday. One Ukrainian, Alla Blyzniuk, interviewed by the outlet, said, “[before] people were united.” Now, she described, a sense of collective “disappointment.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 14, 2023 8:45 am

Feeling sexuallly dissatisfied, embarrassed, humiliated and ‘used’ is bad luck for you, not assault.

Alluded to just upthread, but if you’ve made sworn statements to the jacks that you’ve been raped when you haven’t, there’s a name for this.

It’s called perjury.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 8:50 am

Sunday Talks, Soft Nudges Against The Great Pretending

August 13, 2023 – Sundance

I was once asked by journalist Lee Smith to stand back, look at the total landscape, give my honest evaluation of the state of things, while defining the largest problem. My answer was immediate and deliberate….

We are living in an era of “Great Pretending.” That’s it.

That’s the #1 issue that creates the angst, anxiety and suffering we all encounter. Perhaps a self-defense mechanism, but certainly, a psychological need to pretend things are something other than what they truly are. It’s everywhere, all around us, and it is almost painful to be one of the people amid the chaos who refuses to pretend.

Long after we are gone there will be people, perhaps not yet born, who will look upon this era and define it as this mysterious time when billions of people found it easier to pretend than face the reality of the precipice.

It has been said that “ignorance is bliss,” but this is not that.

This state of pretending is something far more insidious, far more dangerous, and yet acceptance of this pretending reality provides the stable non-pretending psyche with enhanced predictive insight for what comes next.

As the pretending outline existed before, David Weiss could go anywhere he wanted to investigate and prosecute the Biden issue.

A least that was the story from the Dept of Justice and even Weiss himself. Yet, for some rather mysterious reason, Weiss needed to ask for special counsel status. It’s all just an exhibition in parseltongue and pretending.

The DOJ is trying to protect the Biden family while simultaneously prosecuting their political opposition, Donald Trump.

Toward that end, the special prosecutor against Trump asked for, and received, a secret court order for data from the Twitter account of Trump; their justification, Trump was a flight risk.

Now think about that.

A secret, under seal, court order authorized under the justification of President Trump being a flight risk.

The most famous man in the world, a man known by everyone on the entire planet earth, a walking human GPS system who literally has armed guards of the U.S. government following him around every day and documenting his every move, is considered a “flight risk”?

What level of pretending is needed to make that judicial justification seem rational? I digress.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 8:52 am

Lawfare Rep Goldman Admits Biden Broad Immunity Deal Was Political Construct Intended to Protect Biden Family from Future Accountability for Prior Criminal Conduct

August 13, 2023 – Sundance

Wickedness has a way of manifesting in the human body. As the physical lifeforce within Daniel Goldman begins diminishing, the pale and sullen former Robert Mueller operative appears on CNN to discuss the Hunter Biden case and the appointment of the special counsel.

Skilled in the dark arts of lawfare, Representative Goldman spins the investigation to its situational opposite; however, he does reveal that David Weiss was motivated by politics when he constructed the plea agreement for Hunter Biden.

According to Goldman, the plea deal was built around broad immunity for any criminal conduct so that a future DOJ -one not in alignment with the Biden crime syndicate- could not hold the Biden crime family accountable. WATCH:

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 8:54 am

Apple, meet Tree.

WEISS v. COMMISSIONER

https://www.leagle.com/decision/1995195769brtcm188811888

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 8:58 am

It’s not perjury if you genuinely believe what you experienced was rape.
That erroneous belief was mentioned by Whybrow.
Zero chance of a perjury charge being successful even when you have a ludicrous understanding of what constitutes rape, and nobody, even those with legal qualifications, along the way has suggested that you are wrong, on the contrary they have encouraged you.

the offence of wilfully telling an untruth or making a misrepresentation under oath.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 14, 2023 8:59 am

Last Dunkirk veteran dies at 102

The last British soldier involved in WWII’s famous evacuation of Dunkirk has died at the age of 102. Read tributes.

From the Hun. The “soldier” was actually serving with the Royal Navy………

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 9:00 am

Analysis-Trump heading for Republican ‘coronation’ as 2024 rivals struggle to stop him

DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) – As Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flipped pork chops in front of the cameras at the Iowa State Fair on Saturday, a plane appeared in the broiling blue sky.

It was Donald Trump’s Boeing 757 private jet. It circled the fairgrounds, and thousands in the crowd looked up and went wild, cheering for the Republican former president.

An hour later, Trump arrived in a motorcade from nearby Des Moines airport to a rock-star reception, stealing DeSantis’ thunder and reducing his nearest rival for the Republican presidential nomination to a bit-part player at one of the biggest political events on the U.S. political calendar.

It was a moment that epitomized the state of the 2024 Republican presidential nominating race: Trump is far ahead in national polling, eclipsing Florida’s governor and the rest of the field, who have so far been at a loss over how to narrow that gap.

The Iowa State Fair is a political must for aspiring presidential candidates in the Midwestern state that kicks off the Republican nominating contest in January. But with Trump leading DeSantis by 34 percentage points among likely Republican primary voters in an Aug. 3 Reuters/Ipsos poll, and the rest of the field languishing in single digits, the fair this year had the air of a coronation rather than a beauty pageant.

Despite Trump’s legal problems – he has been indicted three times this year and could be indicted a fourth time in Georgia this week – he holds one of the biggest primary polling leads in U.S. electoral history.

No candidate in modern history has had such a big lead in a contested primary and gone on to lose the nomination.

shatterzzz
August 14, 2023 9:01 am

Commenter Shatterzzz lives in his electorate and explained that a huge number of voters are recipients of some form of government largesse and will keep voting for Bowen who keeps promising the same and more.

70% of voters in this electorate are ethnic, 40% of these are boat folk, 75% are on CentreLink, most on the “rorters’, English is a 4th language and interest in Oz politics is near zero …
Fairfield, like other ethnic enclaves, are all Labor fiefdoms (apart from Fowler which fell to an ethnic candidate by targetting the ethnicity of Cabramatta .. a mistake the pardy won’t make next time around! .. tho, never, mentioned, Dai le was backed 100% by the, Labor Lite, Fairfield Council, Labor dominated but masquerading as Independent) ..
Fairfield is a shining example of why Labor luvs immigration .. stacking electorates with the grateful!
The “turtle” isn’t a minister thru ability but because he kept files .. before being “gifted” McMahon he was office manager for, state member, Carl Scully (as well as a great maaate of,now, convicted murderer, Phuong Ngo, the, noted, Cabramatta Labor heavy) and “bagman” go-between for the drug money that, in the hey-day of the 1980/20005 western Sydney drug empire(s) ….. he knows who received what and from where .. which guarantees his place at the top table ……
The Libs or anyone else don’t contest McMahon with any zeal, why throw money at losing? .. sure! there are opposing candidates but no real funding just the odd mention in the local rag whenever an election is coming around …..
In fact the only good point I can think of in the “turtle’s” favour is .. he detested the ‘cinemiatic simian”, Joe Tripodi the 1990s State member for Fairfield …….

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 14, 2023 9:07 am

Aha. Missed the 1am call to here so have left a footprint on the auld threade.

It’s a very fine day in sunny Queensland as we head for Bribie Island this morning on saving a UK Grade 2 listed Church and family website business, meeting up with kin with whom I share a common ancestry there. On one of the multi-stranded lines of descent we all have.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 9:08 am

Hunter Biden investigation: Special counsel dodge is more of the same old corruption

by Quin Hillyer, Deputy Commentary Editor – Washington Times

Friday’s appointment of a “special counsel” to oversee the case of presidential son Hunter Biden was bizarre on its own.

It also continues a years-long trend in which conservatives justly believe the Justice Department is outrageously biased leftward.

It is that second subject that bears more elucidation.

First, though, consider the strange new move at the Justice Department. Ignoring explicit features of the special counsel law, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed to the post the same man, U.S. Attorney David Weiss, who already has fumbled (or perhaps tried to bury) the investigation for more than five years.

Plenty of smart analysts in the past 24 hours have leveled complaints about the move; I particularly commend the one by former top federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, who called the selection a “joke” and believes the real goal is for Weiss to “continue killing the ‘ongoing investigation’ he is running.”

I add merely that there is a major self-contradiction inherent in this new Garland-Weiss arrangement.

For months both Garland and Weiss have insisted that Garland already had “ultimate authority” to file charges against the presidential son in any jurisdiction, even as whistleblowers said Weiss had complained that U.S. attorneys in other federal jurisdictions had blocked him from doing so.

If this isn’t a new way to sweep the case under the rug, then the only significant new power Weiss will have a special counsel is exactly that: to go outside of his ordinary Delaware jurisdiction to bring charges.

But if he already had such authority, as he and Garland claimed, why would he need special counsel status to gain such authority?

The whole thing smells like week-old fish.

Indolent
Indolent
August 14, 2023 9:15 am

And, just coincidentally, Bill Gates recently released billions of genetically modified mosquitoes into America. He is obviously setting up his next big crisis and cash cow through his wholly owned subsidiaries, the WHO.

Bill Gates’ WHO Says Climate Change Requires Mass Vaccinations Against Migrating Mosquitoes

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 9:20 am

I think the key is in the second sentence above. Whybrow knows these cases trivialise ‘persons genuinely subjected to sexual assault‘. He was giving a warning. Oh and remember, back in April he was still dealing with a DPP named Dumgold.

I think it was a warning on a couple of levels, and a bit of an insurance policy.
Imagine if the complainant goes home after two days of cross-examination demolition and sticks her head in the gas oven (assuming they are still legal).
Before the body was cold, she would be a #metoo martyr, with “growing calls” to abandon cross-examination and disbar Whybrow on the altar of toxic masculinity. Any advance warning helps mitigate this attack and deflect blame to the DPP where it truly belongs.
It is also possible it was part of Whybrow building a case against Dumgold and his reckless prosecutions.

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 9:20 am

Rosie
Aug 14, 2023 8:58 AM
It’s not perjury if you genuinely believe what you experienced was rape.
That erroneous belief was mentioned by Whybrow.

Okay lock her up in a nuthouse until she passes away of old age.

This was her FIFTH instance of false allegations.

She’s a cyclone of primal stupidity, delusion and wrath.

Indolent
Indolent
August 14, 2023 9:23 am

The next attack on free speech appears to be at the browser level.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 9:24 am

She’s a self identified #metoo victim’s advocate.
Of course

She’s a cyclone of primal stupidity, delusion and wrath.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 9:24 am

Remember Bob Hawke’s favourite word?
“Aaaaarrggh, no, I repudiate that absolutely, Jana …”

History hasn’t been kind to Hawke’s recollections of the truth.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 9:26 am

I’m willing to bet within that movement they earnestly believe post coital change of mind is proof that it was rape.

Johnny Rotten
August 14, 2023 9:28 am

And dont even get me started on the various definitions of sunrise etc

I like those Imperial Units for distances as well –

1. A Furlong which is 220 yards or 660 feet or one eighth of a mile. Mainly used in horse racing still.
2. A Chain which is 66 feet or 22 yards. And 22 yards is the distance between the wickets on a cricket pitch. There are 10 Chains in a Furlong.
3. And of course, there is the quarter mile, half mile and mile. Or, 440 yards, 880 yards and 1,760 yards. The nautical mile is 2,025.37 yards.
4. A yard is 3 feet.
5. A foot is 12 inches. The length of a standard Rule at school in the ‘old daze’.

Then, there are the many different measures for weights.

The Metric System is so much easier and hopefully all of the above is correct.

Indolent
Indolent
August 14, 2023 9:30 am
Johnny Rotten
August 14, 2023 9:30 am

The FBI surely has video of the event, but won’t release it. Mostly likely because the evidence would show that he was unarmed.

The FBI will say that he had a walking cane !!!!!!!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 9:34 am

Current Diesel 99% – How does Blackout Bowen expect to Run Australia on Renewables?

https://www.hydro.com.au/clean-energy/hybrid-energy-solutions/success-stories/king-island

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 9:37 am

Bill Gates’ WHO Says Climate Change Requires Mass Vaccinations Against Migrating Mosquitoes

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!! Waaah!

The Rise and Rhetoric Of The Climate Chicken Littles (13 Aug)

The guy is a chemist, and has done as we Cats do and look at the quality and veracity of the data. It’s a long essay and mainly emphasizes uncertainties. But pretty clear he thinks the likes of Mr Gates are charlatans.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 9:40 am

ABC News:

‘Mary-Louise McLaws, renowned epidemiologist who helped guide Australia through the pandemic, dies aged 70 from brain tumour’

An early advocate of compulsory masking, social isolation and later mandatory vaccinations.

Iirc, her PhD was on hand washing in the 3rd world hospital setting.

She was, however, prominent in the WHO.

Tom
Tom
August 14, 2023 9:46 am

It was Donald Trump’s Boeing 757 private jet. It circled the fairgrounds, and thousands in the crowd looked up and went wild, cheering for the Republican former president.

Donald Trump is three years younger than Mick Jagger, 80, who’s still an active — and energetic — touring musician. Just sayin’.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 9:47 am

POLICE STATE

The FBI Targeted Traditional Catholics Because They Will Never Accept The Left’s Pagan Morality

It’s not ‘white supremacy’ among Catholics the FBI is really worried about, it’s traditional Catholic morality.

It turns out the FBI memo targeting Catholics as potential domestic terrorists wasn’t limited to “a single field office,” as FBI Director Christopher Wray claimed under oath last month to Congress. In addition to the Richmond, Virginia, field office, the agency’s Los Angeles and Portland offices were also involved.

The memo, which was leaked earlier this year, singled out what it called “Radical-Traditionalist Catholics” who attend parishes that offer the Latin Mass, which the FBI seems to think are hotbeds of “Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremists.”

Outrageous as it was for the FBI to try to monitor, surveil, and investigate American citizens based on their religion, it appears to have been a coordinated effort — an effort that Wray lied to Congress about, according to a newly unredacted memo obtained by House Republicans after months of FBI stonewalling.

Setting aside the absurd pretext that traditionalist Catholic parishes are fonts of “white supremacy” and potential terrorism, it should come as no surprise that the FBI would target Latin Mass-attending Catholics.

Why? Because the FBI has become a tool of the permanent regime in Washington, which will tolerate no resistance to their ideology — an ideology best understood as pagan morality. Abortion, gender ideology, and the thinly-veiled racism of critical race theory in particular are considered sacred by the regime. Traditional Catholics — or “Radical-Traditionalist Catholics” in FBI parlance — oppose these things and will never accept them.

That’s the real reason the FBI was targeting Catholics. It had nothing to do with the alleged threat of “white supremacy,” as the leaked memo claimed.

Anyone with a passing familiarity with Latin Mass parishes knows they are just about the last place in America where you’re likely to encounter white supremacists.

The reason why is that Catholics who attend Latin Mass tend to take the Catholic Church’s teachings seriously. Unlike supposedly “devout” Catholic Democrat politicians, including President Joe Biden and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Latin Mass-attending Catholics oppose abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, and racism in the guise of CRT.

They oppose these things not because they’re on the political right but because they accept the Catholic Church’s teachings on marriage and homosexuality, as well as the doctrine of imago Dei, that all people are created in God’s image, regardless of race or sex, and therefore all are equal in the eyes of God.

This doctrine, by the way, is one of the pillars of Western civilization, without which our entire system of constitutional self-government would collapse.

In fact, it’s precisely this doctrine that so offends the FBI and the regime it serves.

Dividing people according to immutable and unchosen characteristics such as race or sex is what the political left wants to do.

It’s what drives the left’s obsession with skin color and so-called gender identity. Instead of a republic of free and equal citizens, the regime wants a collection of favored and disfavored groups to rule over, pitting them against one another while doling out rewards and punishments based on alleged guilt and grievance.

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 9:48 am

Mark Speakman (NSW Parliamentary Opposition Leader) backing the Voice to Parliament.

Why? “The rewards outweigh the risks…”

He’s not very bright, is a careerist and has a authoritarian view of law and order.

He must keep on losing. When the mainstream “conservative” party is no better than the ALP, they can eat many turds.

Johnny Rotten
August 14, 2023 9:48 am

They always say start at the bottom if you want to learn something. But suppose you want to learn to swim?

– Tommy Cooper

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 14, 2023 9:59 am

History hasn’t been kind to Hawke’s recollections of the truth.

Nor to our recollections of Hawke – he and blanch posing about in bathrobes I think blanched many peoples faces and lent stimulus only to the emetic reflex.

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 10:02 am

Albanese hasn’t set the date yet AFAIK.

Looks like this might be slow walked to February.

Section 9 of the Referendum Machinery Provisions Act gives 33 to 58 days from the issue of a writ to voting day.

Prior comments implicitly assumed as if the Bill passed both Houses today and talked of the minimum time permitted by s 128 of the Constitution.

So that means he has until September 11th to set the date (if it will be 14/10) and can do so from the 17th (this week).

We can only hope Albanese incompetently handwaves off cost of living pressures and gets a tide of ill will.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 14, 2023 10:07 am

Mary-Louise McClaws lights out. I have as much sympathy for her as she had interest for Australia.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 10:09 am

Garrick Prof. of Law (UQ) James Allan in The Spectator:

‘…there’s a massive disconnect between the core voters for the centre-right political parties and their elected representatives. The base is at least three-quarters against this proposed Voice amendment. Meanwhile the political caste in WA, Tasmania and the NT are out and proud in favour of it while in the two biggest states of NSW and Victoria (plus the city council of the ACT) they apparently aren’t able to pick a side. Too tough for them to choose, I suppose. Even putting Queensland’s LNP’s rather incoherent opposition to the Voice into the No column, if you ask which state or territory Liberal/National parties are explicit opponents of this Voice referendum it is just two out of eight. [Make that 1 out of 8, Jim -Roger.]

And yet not even one in four of those who regularly vote for these parties is in favour. That’s not a disconnect between the Liberal party base and its political representatives at the state level. It’s a gaping chasm of metaphorical Grand Canyon proportions.

…All this talk of the Libs being a ‘broad church’ seems to me to be hogwash. Since Abbott was knifed it’s been a Labor-lite outfit that does nothing at all for conservatives, that went down a thuggish, brutal path during the pandemic, that won’t fight the important cultural battles and that has far too many parliamentary representatives that belong in Labor or the Greens, not the Libs. Heck, just consider that last month John Roskam was rejected for preselection by the Victoria Libs, leader Pesutto favouring a 22-year-old.’

So maybe this Voice referendum will end up doing the Liberal party a favour, by exposing the cuckoos in the nest.’

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 14, 2023 10:13 am

Rosie Aug 14, 2023 8:25 AM
I think Queensland is the only exception in the pre-trial stage.

Qld government is across this & that is scheduled to be rectified next month via legislation. Said legislation will be retrospective, so that accused from the past may be freely named.

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 10:13 am

“Slow walked to January”. There is a very low chance he would call it for January.

I keep on using August as a start date.

There’s a good chance if the date isn’t set it will get pocket vetoed, if the polling tends continue. If it polls worse than the 1999 Republic, it seems pointless to even bother.

The optimal outcome is a pocket veto and Albanese convincing himself he’ll win a DD election (triggered by some housing scheme he has cooked up that will nothing) and losing badly off cost of living being the only issue anyone cares about.

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 10:14 am

“He’s not very bright, is a careerist and has a authoritarian view of law and order.

Yep, Sleazeman, as AG, is responsible for the NSW “consent laws”.

He must keep on losing. When the mainstream “conservative” party is no better than the ALP, they can eat many turds.

Yep, he will.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 14, 2023 10:15 am

Daily Mail.

Tanya Plibersek grilled over Brittany Higgins’ $3million payout: Sunrise host Natalie Barr puts environment minister under pressure

Nat Barr raised questions over Brittany Higgins’ payout
She asked if it should be referred to the federal ICAC
Tanya Plibersek refused to comment on her questions

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:16 am

Considering the police have more resources than any defence, they would have known it was the 5th time the lady had made such allegations.

Matters should sue & see who knew what as part of the process.

One should be shocked, but it’s the ACT under the Drumgold regime.

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 10:17 am

“…All this talk of the Libs being a ‘broad church’ seems to me to be hogwash. Since Abbott was knifed it’s been a Labor-lite outfit that does nothing at all for conservatives, that went down a thuggish, brutal path during the pandemic, that won’t fight the important cultural battles and that has far too many parliamentary representatives that belong in Labor or the Greens, not the Libs. Heck, just consider that last month John Roskam was rejected for preselection by the Victoria Libs, leader Pesutto favouring a 22-year-old.’”

As usual, James Allan says it best.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:21 am

Also, as the accusations are coming from a prominent “me too” advocate, we should expect that their identity is known to various media organisations.
Just a matter of time before it’s all over TikTok & the Daily Mail.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 14, 2023 10:21 am

…All this talk of the Libs being a ‘broad church’ seems to me to be hogwash. Since Abbott was knifed it’s been a Labor-lite outfit that does nothing at all for conservatives, that went down a thuggish, brutal path during the pandemic, that won’t fight the important cultural battles and that has far too many parliamentary representatives that belong in Labor or the Greens

+1

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 10:23 am

RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

Finnish Grandmother Is Back In Court Facing ‘Hate Speech’ Charges For Tweeting Bible Verses

The enormous implications of Päivi Räsänen’s case for fundamental freedoms have triggered international outrage.

In 2019, Päivi Räsänen did what any one of us might do — she tweeted at her church.

Her tweet was simple and peaceful. She questioned the choice to sponsor a local pride parade.

She questioned, was this befitting of their Christian faith? And she attached a scripture passage to the tweet.

Räsänen will be headed to court for the second time on criminal charges of “hate speech.” This longstanding member of the Finnish Parliament, medical doctor, and grandmother has faced onerous prosecution for four years at the hands of Finland’s government for a tweet.

Subjected to 13 hours of police interrogation, authorities dug into her past, charging her with three counts of “agitation against a minority group” for the tweet, in addition to a 2004 church pamphlet and 2019 radio appearance.

Bishop Juhana Pohjola of Finland’s Evangelical Lutheran Church also was criminally charged for publishing the pamphlet, which discusses a Biblical-based understanding of marriage and human sexuality.

Their charges carried with them tens of thousands of euros in fines and even the possibility of a two-year prison sentence.

In March of last year, the Helsinki District Court delivered a unanimous acquittal, stating clearly that, “it is not for the district court to interpret biblical concepts.”

However, the law in Finland allows for legal double jeopardy — prosecutors can appeal all the way to the Supreme Court on the mere basis of dissatisfaction with the verdict.

On Aug. 31, Räsänen and the bishop will be back in court once again. Their legal defense is supported by ADF International.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 10:23 am

Mother Lode

Aug 14, 2023 9:59 AM

History hasn’t been kind to Hawke’s recollections of the truth.

Nor to our recollections of Hawke – he and blanch posing about in bathrobes

Ha ha.
It has become part of the lexicon in our household.
Went to the Big Smoke last week, dropped Mrs P at the shops and checked into the Presidential Suite.
She arrives back later.
“What did you do this arvo?”
“Nothing much. Had a shower to freshen up, went the full Bob and Blanche and read my book.”
“Bob and Blanche” is immediately recognised as “putting on a bath-robe in the middle of the day”.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 14, 2023 10:23 am

I think Queensland is the only exception in the pre-trial stage.

Absent a successful public interest submission, identity was only allowed after conviction. Unless identifying the convicted could identify the victim.
Except in sexual assault cases, you could identify someone who’d been arrested,
but not after they were charged.
I swear QLD plod would deliberately delay charging someone
to cause maximum newsroom chaos.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 10:27 am

The Captive Cardinal

REVIEW: ‘Memoirs’ by József Cardinal Mindszenty

For József Cardinal Mindszenty—twice imprisoned by the Communists and once by the Nazis in his native Hungary—this was the ground where the battle with the two totalitarianisms needed to be joined.

As he put it in his installation address (as archbishop of Esztergom and primate of Hungary) on September 16, 1945: “I wish to be the conscience of my people. … Contrary to the errors that are now springing up, I proclaim to my people and my nation the eternal truths. I want to resurrect the sanctified tradition of our people.”

József Cardinal Mindszenty first published his memoirs in German and English in 1974.

Readers with religious, political, and historical interests will find the book a feast.

At its center is Mindszenty’s show trial and subsequent eight-year imprisonment under the newly solidified Communist regime.

He was savagely beaten, confined to a solitary cell, and at one point lost nearly half his body weight. We are given meditations on prison dreams, convict humor, haircuts, food, and the soul-shattering stresses of monotony and loneliness. Mindszenty of course drew on his deep faith to survive and maintain his dignity. “My religious life certainly suffered from my surroundings, but it was not destroyed,” he writes. “There was a great deal I lacked that I had earlier possessed, but many of my religious exercises became all the more intensive.” His life of prayer flourished.

Mindszenty is careful to acknowledge that while prison can lead to an intense spirituality, it can also “lead men away from God.” Tending to one’s soul in such circumstances is certainly not automatic, but with attentiveness and devotion, spiritual growth is possible.

He quotes Dostoyevsky’s observation about prison in Siberia: “In prison, too, one can lead a great life.”

If the book were only this short prison diary, we would have a spiritual classic. Mindszenty delivers much more.

He is an acute analyst of Communist ideology—he brings a philosophic mind to elucidate its core. And he spends much time and attention on Communism as a political movement: how it attains power through force and fraud, how it spreads its message and gains followers, and how it maintains its dominance once in power.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:28 am

Re the QLD retrospective law change, the accused can apply for a suppression order but it’s up to the court to grant it.
Will a judge get their back up over what they always are going on about (parliament interfering with the judicial process) or does it depend who the defendant is?

With a certain case in Toowoomba, we will soon find out.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 14, 2023 10:30 am

Nat Barr raised questions over Brittany Higgins’ payout
She asked if it should be referred to the federal ICAC
Tanya Plibersek refused to comment on her questions

Refused to comment?
That’s gotta sting Britnah.
The support from the sisterhood melting away under pressure.
When this payment was made they knew it would draw attention, and it was going to be the stick to beat the Liberals with.
“Look how much your ‘problem with women’ has cost the taxpayer!”
Now?
They desparately want it all to go away.

calli
calli
August 14, 2023 10:33 am

Tanya Plibersek grilled over Brittany Higgins’ $3million payout: Sunrise host Natalie Barr puts environment minister under pressure

If that was pressure, I’m a cabbage.

Plibbers remained tight lipped and Barnaby said next to nothing, simply stating there are plenty of vets waiting payouts a fraction of Higgins’.

From memory Aunty Tan was in it up to her eyeballs, taking up Brinnie’s trousers ready for the march for wymynses.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 14, 2023 10:33 am

Lidia Thorpe on the media visiting the site of the Western Highway duplication near Ararat.
Someone’s possibly poisoned and has spray painted one birthing tree that’s in the way.
She’s all up in arms naturally.
The bulldozing of hundreds of thousands of trees for a renewable future is the forest she can’t see.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:35 am

Birthing tree?
For a nomadic people?
Yep, makes sense.

calli
calli
August 14, 2023 10:36 am

It’s the first time I’ve ever seen Blabbersak unwilling to mouth off. Smart cookie has finally learned when to shut up. Her eyes fairly bulged with the desire to say something but raw cunning won in the end.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:37 am

So someone get banned from the Cat.
And they come back with a new name & spew the same old stuff.
Makes sense.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 10:37 am

From memory Aunty Tan was in it up to her eyeballs…

Aunty Tan…respected ALP elder?

Would be such a shame if her tilt at the leadership following Mr. 32%’s inevitable demise was thwarted by this secret women’s business episode being exposed.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 10:41 am

It’s the first time I’ve ever seen Blabbersak unwilling to mouth off.

Ms. Barr should then have moved on to Israel.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:43 am

Why TF is the ALP sticking its nose into Israel’s business.
Are they that desperate for distraction squirrels ?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 10:43 am

Garrick Prof. of Law (UQ) James Allan

Always worth reading.

calli
calli
August 14, 2023 10:47 am

I wonder if that tumour affected McLaw’s reasoning ability?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 10:47 am

Nat Barr the perfumed steamroller for the Breakfast TV set. More coal to her boiler. Prediction: there will be no PM Plibbers * breathes sigh of relief *

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 10:48 am

‘Not my product’: Albanese says failure of Voice referendum would not damage his credibility as PM</strong>

. Polling suggest Voice referendum will struggle to succeed
. PM says Voice is ‘not my product’ and not about politics

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 14, 2023 10:48 am

Zero chance of a perjury charge being successful even when you have a ludicrous understanding of what constitutes rape, and nobody, even those with legal qualifications, along the way has suggested that you are wrong, on the contrary they have encouraged you.

Easily disproven by overt acts during the investigation process, cross-examination when in the box and the ‘reasonable person’ test applied by the court.

She may as well have said ‘I genuinely feel that I am an astronaut’ and expected that to, well, fly.

As mentioned upthread, there are two options. One – she is malicious and wilful in making the complaints; or two, she is unequivocally Radio Rental and a danger to others as well.

In both cases liberty should be denied her.

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 14, 2023 10:49 am

Mark Speakman as Opposition Leader is effectively a cricket night-watchman.

He’s the Eddie Hemmings of The NSW Libs.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 10:49 am

Why TF is the ALP sticking its nose into Israel’s business.

The usual lunacy from the Liars national conference.

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 10:50 am

“feelthebern
Aug 14, 2023 10:43 AM
Why TF is the ALP sticking its nose into Israel’s business.
Are they that desperate for distraction squirrels ?”

Bern, it’s called “Jew hatred”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 10:51 am

‘Not my product’: Albanese says failure of Voice referendum would not damage his credibility as PM

Panic sets in.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 14, 2023 10:52 am

The cascade of revelations of hard evidence of US electoral tampering is instructive – but not particularly because of proof that Trump was deliberately and systematically written out of the 2020 Presidential election.

I’m old enough to remember election night 2020. The closure of polling places, eviction of scrutineers, and overnight arrival of statistically improbable ballots that swung the result to an enfeebled and clearly unwell Washington insider, who had run an invisible campaign was clearly a deliberate, overt announcement of who was in charge.

At the time, on Sinc Cat, amidst the whoopin’ and hollerin’ of ‘It’s ON Boyz’, and ‘the Military are building gallows’ and ‘Q says wait for the Fourth Turning’ many Cats noted that:

– the election fix was obviously in,
– nobody was bothering to conceal the fact,
– that it was organised on a distributed level by people ‘who knew what to do’ without a central guiding hand,
– that it would take years (not days) of forensic analysis to produce actual evidence, and
– Any such forensic analysis would not be conducted by any organ of Washington.

It has turned out exactly that way.

Which raises the questions: to what extent was the extraordinary ‘openness’ simply arrogance by personally unassailable political Masters of the Universe? And to what extent was it agent provocateur action designed to provoke a January 6 style response that would poison the well for any future Trumpism?

calli
calli
August 14, 2023 10:52 am

PM says Voice is ‘not my product’ and not about politics

The Voice – the Bud Light of referenda

No putting lipstick on that pig.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 10:55 am

Ms. Barr should then have moved on to Israel.

Roger, clearly you’re not cut out for Breakfast TV. No wonder Shervo got the job.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 10:56 am

I really should open an account with them.

ANZ, Macquarie worst banks for green credentials (Paywallian, 14 Aug)

ANZ risks engaging in greenwashing and ranks last among Australian banks in meeting net zero commitments, the Australian Conservation Foundation says.

Excellent news. Getting such a vote of confidence like this from the ACF is a real plus for ANZ!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 10:57 am

Ok – Explained – I was wondering about this!

North Curl Curl Beach rip: Man dies after five people pulled out to sea on Sydney’s northern beaches

. Day out to beach ended in tragedy
. Five swimmers rescued a week ago
. Indian national Robin Kadyan later died in hospital

A man has died four days after he and his friends were swept into the water off Sydney’s northern beaches, sparking a massive multi-agency rescue operation.

Emergency services were called to North Curl Curl Beach on August 6 following multiple triple-0 calls that five swimmers had been swept out to sea in a rip.

A 22-year-old man was unresponsive when he was winched from the water by the Life Saver helicopter.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 10:58 am

The secret to the 2020 election result was how centralised funding was combined with localised action.
And somehow, not a single message, email showing the collusion has been leaked.
The DNC must have real collateral against all parties involved.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 14, 2023 10:58 am

OldOzzie
Aug 14, 2023 10:48 AM

On the floundering Voice:

‘It’s not about me and it’s not about any politician,’ Mr Albanese said.

I have the tiniest suspicion that if the Voice ends up in the bin of history, Uncle Luigi may, perhaps, find himself pointing the bone at politicians on the No side of the floor.

Just a suspicion, mind you.

calli
calli
August 14, 2023 10:59 am

Without the injection of bad actors just before and on the day plus a nicely choreographed response from Capitol guards, Jan 6 would have been a rowdy, but very damp squib.

One person was murdered, another died in dubious circumstances, while a couple of deaths were related to other causes but pounced upon by the gerontocracy – I’m thinking Sicknik here.

The election fraud, broad based and grassroots, tilled the ground for further opportunism.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 10:59 am

The usual lunacy from the Liars national conference.

The fun starts Thursday in Babylon by the Brisbane.

The first order of business – after welcome to country from the local mob – will be to declare South Bank a nuclear free zone.

Tom
Tom
August 14, 2023 11:03 am

Why TF is the ALP sticking its nose into Israel’s business.
Are they that desperate for distraction squirrels ?

Bern, the left of the ALP makes the Greens look like Stupid Frigging Liberals.

The ALP left is full of Jew-hating bigots who want Israel nuked from space to turn it back into a flat, smoking tank park run by Arab warlords with explosives strapped to their guts.

And Elbow is their man in the Lodge.

The loony left of the ALP is now setting Australia’s foreign policy, which is suddenly pro-terrorist and Death To Israel.

And the looming ALP federal conference is where the loony ALP left flexes its muscules.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 14, 2023 11:06 am

Brisbane Times’ new news is oppressor free.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:07 am

Shades of Merino Western Victoria Squattocracy of the 50s including the Frasers

Qingnan Wen: Mystery Chinese titan who is buying up Australian farmland
Chinese wool tycoon has bought up prime grazing land size of San Marino
$100million property portfolio in Victoria can support 60,000 Merino sheep
Billionaire is biggest exporter of Australian wool to supply his Chinese firm

A Chinese business tycoon has snapped up prime Australian countryside the size of a small European nation to live like an English lord of the manor.

Qingnan Wen just added another 1660-hectare sheep station to his $100million property portfolio, spread across 62sq km and bigger than San Marino, near Italy.

The reclusive billionaire literally got rich off the sheep’s back, making his fortune as the biggest exporter of Australian wool through his Jiangsu-based Tianyu Wool.

And he is on a mission to bring back Australia’s glory days of wool production.

His latest acquisition is the historic 170-year-old farm Nerrinyerie, near Harrow in Victoria’s western Wimmera region, bought for an estimated $20million.

It adds to his sprawling 2349ha sheep station at Mawallok Farm, near Beaufort, which was priced at $25million-plus when it sold in February 2020.

He now oversees grazing land for up to 60,000 Merino sheep to feed the insatiable needs of his company, which is China’s biggest wool importer and manufacturer.

Mr Wen began in business as a start-up fashion chain in the 1980s and quickly became a passionate fan of using wool in his clothes.

In the decades since, he has made the transition to become a fully fledged sheep farmer – and a keen advocate to bring other Aussie farmers on board with him.

‘It’s given me a good understanding of the whole wool industry – and how we might be able to make it better,’ he said in a rare interview six years ago.

Australian wool production is very slowly rebounding after dipping in the last decade from a heyday in the 1990s when it was triple its current size.

Wool production is expected to hit 328,000,000kg from 71.5 million sheep this year, up from 324Mkg last year, and tipped to increase again to 332Mkg next year.

But that’s a shadow of the annual 1,100Mkg output of the 1990s when there were about 120million sheep grazing on Australia’s countryside.

In the meantime, he has also developed his properties to welcome Chinese tourists, with a Chinese language visitor centre at Lal Lal to sell the benefits of wool.

‘I really would like to share the beauty with most of the Chinese visitors,’ he said at the time.

‘We have five billion people and Australian-grown food, and wool will become increasingly precious.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 11:08 am

I have the tiniest suspicion that if the Voice ends up in the bin of history, Uncle Luigi may, perhaps, find himself pointing the bone at politicians on the No side of the floor.

Have no fear, Dutton will offer support to legislate it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 11:09 am

So pre-lunacy then. Somebody jumped the gun looking for a headline.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:13 am

As Tropic Thunder marks 15 years since its premiere, FEMAIL lays bare the many scandals that have plagued its success – from Blackface outrage to anti-Semitism fury

. The 2008 action-comedy followed a group of hapless actors filming in Vietnam
. This weekend will mark the 15-year anniversary of the blockbuster’s release
. But it was plagued with controversies which continue to haunt it to this day

Forget it was funny!

From the Comments

Surely if they offended everyone then that’s equality

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 11:16 am

An interesting book on the wool debacle is Breaking the Sheep’s Back by Charles Massy. Taxpayers dodged a bullet through the whole process. Spoiler Alert – the Nationals don’t come out of it looking too good.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 11:17 am

It’s very kind of you KD to absolve the police and ODPP from all responsibility when these kind of cases go through the courts.
Iirc her complaint was he didn’t stop the very second she said stop, but ‘thrusted’ three more times, then having permitted other sexual activity to finish off, so to speak, followed up the next day by sending crude texts and requesting another sess a few months later she went to police.
Yes, that that three truster has a reasonable chance of a jury voting to convict nodded the wise heads at the ACT ODPP.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:18 am

Udderly ridiculous?

Animal rights campaigners demand milk is called ‘bovine mammary secretions in row with standards officials

It follows DEFRA guidance advising non-dairy brands to clarify terms on labels

Dot
Dot
August 14, 2023 11:18 am

Must be out of towners.

Nobody really swims at Curl Curl, only surfers.

It has the most extreme rip I have ever seen.

Long Reef, Dee Why, Freshwater and Manly are all in walking distance.

Swim at those places instead.

Johnny Rotten
August 14, 2023 11:20 am

PM says Voice is ‘not my product’ and not about politics

LOL. Wot’ a Plonker.

Just like the Energy Transition is ‘not his product’. Just like the cost of living crisis is ‘not his product’. Just like ‘inflation’ is ‘not his product’. Just like the recent 25% in electricity prices ‘is not his product’.

So who is increasing Guv’ment Services by more than 10% pa since May 2022? The fairies at the bottom of the garden?

Plonker !!!!!

Come the 2025 Feral Guv’ment Election, you and your bunch of Muppets will be out on yer’ arses and Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish. Can’t wait.

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 11:21 am

So pre-lunacy then. Somebody jumped the gun looking for a headline.

You can be sure it was part of the pre-conference wrangling.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 14, 2023 11:23 am

It’s very kind of you KD to absolve the police and ODPP from all responsibility when these kind of cases go through the courts.

They shouldn’t get anywhere near a court. That’s the point.

A mindset so obviously deficient does not get that mindset’s owner a free pass from consequences.

Look at this from the other perspective. If a bloke is (rightly) binned and charged for touching up, and/or sexually assaulting four women over a period of time and then says ‘I genuinely thought they were leading me on and consented’, does he get his hand patted and sent on his way with an ‘Off you go, you scamp’?

No. No, he does not.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 11:24 am

Coming from Perf, Sydney beaches are pretty treacherous. Even as an experienced swimmer I got a bit out of sorts at Coogee one morning before my coffee. Sydney swells behave more like Margaret River when it’s on. Lots of water moving around trying to go somewhere.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 14, 2023 11:25 am

Tom Aug 14, 2023 11:03 AM

1 x gross of upticks.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 11:27 am

They shouldn’t get anywhere near a court. That’s the point.

Hear hear. This is why we need upticks.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 11:28 am

As Tropic Thunder marks 15 years since its premiere, FEMAIL lays bare the many scandals that have plagued its success – from Blackface outrage to anti-Semitism fury

Karen demands to talk to the manager. The nerve! How dare they be funny!

(She’s actually named Raven, which is almost satirically close to the famous lady of high dudgeon.)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:29 am

You live & learn!

Andrew, Duke of York – Nothing!

Despite his reputation – perhaps misplaced – as a bon viveur, Prince Andrew does not appear to drink alcohol in any circumstances.

‘He never touches alcohol,’ a former equerry told The Sun.

Another said: ‘In my 30 odd years I’ve never seen him take a single drink.

‘He doesn’t even drink a loyal toast from what I can remember.

Any lapses of judgment are certainly not alcohol-fuelled.’

And a third told The Sun: ‘I find it quite funny when he is reported as having downed cocktails.

‘He doesn’t even drink Coca-Cola or anything like that. It’s just plain, straightforward spring water.’

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 14, 2023 11:31 am

Scene, in my local pharmacy, this A.M.

Morbidly obese young lady, tattooed to within an inch of her life, unsupported breasts just about reaching her waistline, belly hanging over the waistband of her leggings….

buying a pregnancy testing kit…….

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 11:32 am

Animal rights campaigners demand milk is called ‘bovine mammary secretions‘ in row with standards officials

I like Kari Lake, she should be Trump’s running mate.

‘Only Two Genders’: Kari Lake Challenges NYT, WaPo Reporters to Milk a Bull to ‘See How That Goes’ (12 Aug)

She’s feisty!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:33 am

Dot
Aug 14, 2023 11:18 AM

Must be out of towners.

Nobody really swims at Curl Curl, only surfers.

It has the most extreme rip I have ever seen.

Dot,

I always used the rips at North & South Curl Cirl to get out the back quickly when Body Surfing

However

It has the most extreme rip I have ever seen

The Rip along Bungan Beach beats the End Rips at North & South Curl Curl

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 14, 2023 11:33 am

I have the tiniest suspicion that if the Voice ends up in the bin of history, Uncle Luigi may, perhaps, find himself pointing the bone at politicians on the No side of the floor.

It will be Sir KRuddy and Sir Waffleworth’s crusade against Rupe turned up to 11. Albo will join that Whitlam dud selling copies of his book at farmers markets.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 14, 2023 11:33 am

A glass and a half of ‘bovine mammary secretions‘ in every bar.
Mmmmm…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 14, 2023 11:36 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 14, 2023 11:31 AM

Scene, in my local pharmacy, this A.M.

Morbidly obese young lady, tattooed to within an inch of her life, unsupported breasts just about reaching her waistline, belly hanging over the waistband of her leggings….

buying a pregnancy testing kit…….

Was the Obviously Blind Drunk Male there buying a Hangover Remedy?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 11:36 am

Name a VP that wasn’t a swamp creature.
You have to go back a long way.
Their role isn’t to back up the president.
It’s to liaise with Congress & the Senate.

billie
billie
August 14, 2023 11:39 am

Dot
Aug 14, 2023 11:18 AM
Must be out of towners.
Nobody really swims at Curl Curl, only surfers.
It has the most extreme rip I have ever seen.

Yes, but the carpark is close to the beach at North Curly.

Also a reminder that clubbies don’t patrol the beaches in winter, only in summer.

These folks were unlucky that no surfers were at Curly that day. At that time of year, probably a southerly wind, everyone would have been at Dee Why. Curly doesn’t work in a southerly, well known local fact.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 11:39 am

The standard for perjury isn’t what a reasonable person would believe, as it is in a matter of determining whether someone has consented.
In any case if she made such a claim to police and it was made very clear at her interview what happened wasn’t rape, and the police would not proceed ,that would have been the end of it.
The complainant doesn’t make the decision to prosecute.
And there is in this particular case no suggestion that the complainant lied, just that her understanding of what constituted sexual assault was extremely defective.
No-one discouraged her from that belief, in fact, they were happy for her be exposed and humiliated in the court.
An objective investigation would have been appropriate, not a hand patty one.
I wonder if there is the equivalent of a ‘Moller report’ in this case.
I hope Matters gets a big payout for malicious prosecution.

Rosie
Rosie
August 14, 2023 11:42 am

I think we all agree it should never have gotten near a court.
Who is facilitating that happening?

Roger
Roger
August 14, 2023 11:42 am

Qantas shows off support for ‘The Voice’ with planes featuring decals calling on Aussies to vote YES

Working hard to retain their reputation as Australia’s leading corporate bully.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 11:43 am

Re the drowning at Curl Curl.
Agree with others above, has to be non-locals.
All you have to do is Google the beach you plan to go to before hand to see if you’re up for it.

I was at Blueys beach a few years ago when some subcontinentals were setting up for a lovely day at the beach.
I was walking mans best friend & thought trouble was a brewing.

Shortly after a local had to pluck one of the chaps out of the surf as he sucked way out.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 11:44 am

A couple of days later I saw the same group setting up at South Lizzie where they should have been all along.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 14, 2023 11:45 am

Hope Downs trial: Bianca Rinehart in shock appearance as part of case
Troy de RuyterThe West Australian
Mon, 14 August 2023 9:27AM

Bianca Rinehart, the daughter of billionaire mining magnate Gina, has made a shock appearance at WA’s Supreme Court as the trial over billions of dollars in Hope Downs resources gets set to hear from her lawyers.

As the legal showdown between Wright Prospecting and Hancock Prosecting enters its fourth week, barristers representing Bianca and her brother John will begin their openings on Monday.

They are claiming that manoeuvres by their mother to move interests in Hope Downs to a trust set up by their grandfather deprived them of a bigger share in the Pilbara mine

Hancock lawyers spent last week claiming how Lang Hancock put the Hope Downs tenements into the trust for his benefit — and that of his wife Rose Porteous.

It had not been know whether either of Mrs Rinehart’s children would attend court. But the appearance of Bianca on Monday was still a surprise, given her rare public sightings in recent years.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 11:46 am

From the snippets I’ve seen, Bondi Rescue should be renamed Subcontinental Rescue.

Tom
Tom
August 14, 2023 11:47 am

It will be Sir KRuddy and Sir Waffleworth’s crusade against Rupe turned up to 11. Albo will join that Whitlam dud selling copies of his book at farmers markets.

Humphrey, you are, of course, defaming the late Dr Jim Cairns, who, apart from riding St Gough’s Cultural Revolution of 1972, had a knack for porking exotic, attractive young females with large mammaries.

Fun fact: Junie Morosi, 90, is still with us.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 14, 2023 11:47 am

Was the Obviously Blind Drunk Male there buying a Hangover Remedy?

NOT GUILTY, Your Honor – I was picking up Mme Zulu’s medication.

eric hinton
eric hinton
August 14, 2023 11:52 am

H B Bear
Aug 14, 2023 11:24 AM
Coming from Perf, Sydney beaches are pretty treacherous. Even as an experienced swimmer I got a bit out of sorts at Coogee one morning before my coffee. Sydney swells behave more like Margaret River when it’s on. Lots of water moving around trying to go somewhere.

Ha ha. The old man wouldn’t put roof racks on the new Valiant [after pissed as a fart elder brother rolled the old one] but on the hols he would drive me to the dumper’s paradise of Yallingup shore break, which taught me the martial art of going diagonally down the face to avoid breaking my neck, which pretty much drowned proofed me against anything Sydney town would later offer.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 14, 2023 11:53 am

Despite his reputation – perhaps misplaced – as a bon viveur, Prince Andrew does not appear to drink alcohol in any circumstances.
‘Any lapses of judgment are certainly not alcohol-fuelled.’

Confirming he’s a fair dinkum prick then.
(This would be roughly confirmation#243 IIRC)

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 14, 2023 11:54 am

Was the Obviously Blind Drunk Male there buying a Hangover Remedy?

Anybody that drunk wouldn’t be …er… how to say…. they’d have been like an airport windsock on a still day.

More likely it was a bikie earning his “Fat Wings”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 14, 2023 11:56 am

Name a VP that wasn’t a swamp creature.

Here you go Bern.

Biden sticking with VP Harris: ‘The perfect choice’ (11 Aug)

OUCH: Kamala Harris Gets Brutally Fact Checked for Claiming People Like Her (10 Aug)

I’m not exactly sure what Kamala is, but she’s not a swamp creature. Swamp creatures have standards.

(Both are fun headlines from Instapundit today.)

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 14, 2023 11:56 am

I was at Blueys beach a few years ago when some subcontinentals were setting up for a lovely day at the beach.
I was walking mans best friend & thought trouble was a brewing.

Bern, Blueys is a beautiful beach, we stay near there a lot. But it has lots of treacherous rips and currents. When I was young I used to love boogie boarding, getting out behind the breakers. But I was a fit and a strong swimmer back then. I hardly get in there above my ankles these days.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 11:59 am

Same Real Deal.
As a teenager, north blueys was fun to body board at.
Now, it’s purely a walking beach.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 14, 2023 11:59 am

buying a pregnancy testing kit…….

Wishful thinking, or trying to impress fellow lardies.

Cassie of Sydney
August 14, 2023 12:00 pm

Sydney beaches are dangerous, two of the most dangerous being Bronte and Tamarama.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 12:01 pm

Kamala came out of the SF DNC production line.
Yes, that’s a swamp creature.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 14, 2023 12:02 pm

Cassie, you dont go to Tamarama to swim.

shatterzzz
August 14, 2023 12:02 pm

PM says Voice is ‘not my product’ and not about politics

Time for the gucci gnome to start looking, nervously, over her shoulder .. that big red circle ain’t there for nuttin! .. LOL!
Luigi looking for a way out needs a scapegaot

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