Open Thread Weekend 2 Sept 2023
883 responses to “Open Thread Weekend 2 Sept 2023”
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Rabz> Stooges / Iggy getting Loose. To be played as loud as the speakers can stand.
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I can honestly say that since the double knee replacement my knees are a zillion times better, but alas I can’t kneel and I will probably never be able to kneel every again, which is quite annoying because when I’m doing Pilates there are some kneeling positions that I now modify. But I can now bend my knees and do other things, and my knees no longer hurt. For years before the operation, I lived with painful knees. Even walking to the bus stop was painful and unpleasant, and I stopped walking. It was quite distressing. However, since the operation, my scars have healed a certain way. I have a skin condition which I inherited from my father called “keloids”. So, the scars on my knees are now raised and lumpy, like a little mountain range. They hurt when I put pressure on them.
My flexibility has returned but I still cramp up when doing Pilates. Last week I was bending a knee and whilst the knee didn’t hurt, I cramped suddenly, wobbled and then fell into the Pilates reformer machine. I couldn’t get out and it took the instructor and another class attendee to help me get out of the machine. Very embarrassing. It reminded of when, back in the late 90s, when I used to do Astanga yoga (I was an addict) at a studio, and that disgusting pompous arse head David Marr used to also attend the same classes. I remember doing a handstand, then losing my balance and falling, missing Marr by inches. I still regret not falling on him!
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I can’t kneel and I will probably never be able to kneel every again
Yeah like my beloved Cass ever did anyway, Cats … 🙂
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Mother lode, Sure, certain things a photo-shopped, but that earlier pic isn’t. Here she is wearing the blue sack in different shots which weren’t photo-shopped. Obviously taken on the same say.
Erk!
Sorry, I did not mean to suggest I really believed it photoshopped, just that the fit was so hideous and enjoyed playing up how improbable her appalling taste was.
It is really creepy, to reflect that Joe and Jill were once merely an adultery and, at one time, good looks (and unfamiliarity) gave them a certain notorious charm. But they are now the old aged vestiges of that. Ugly but bound, denuded of any aesthetic beguilement. Just ancient, faithless old farts. Very loathsome people, both as repulsive as the other.
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‘orrible?
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Rabz
Sep 3, 2023 6:51 PMAt the time, you couldn’t even order it into Australia
Joh, I read a review of it in’73 in one of my my sister’s magazines after blundering into her bedroom (cleverly when I knew she wouldn’t be there) – the cover picture stills brings the chills to the spine – Iggy looks not of this world.
One of the occasions where the cover matched the content.
AFAIK, the Iggster is still with us, which just shows what a force of nature he is. Outlived almost all of his musical partners, including Bowie. And, not because of clean living.
Just listened to k d lang doing ‘Hallelujia’ again. Oh, my.
Here she is with Roy Orbison Magic.
Note that the bimbo presenter, who presumably was sleeping with someone important, doesn’t have a clue about either of them.
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Cassie,
the not being able to kneel is something they don’t tell us before the slice and dice. It has been almost four years since my op and I still can’t kneel. I carry a thick, latex pad when I am outside in case I fall. It lessens the discomfort just enough to be able to haul myself back on my feet. Falling is a bit of problem as my balance is not what it used to be. Don’t know if it will improve. But, I adjust.
It’s not all bad, I can lug wagon loads of wood up to the house for the fire. Thank God for electric splitters! Also, I can still hoik bags of animal feed and groceries in and out of the car, so I reckon I’m travelling pretty well. There are people out there a heck of a lot worse off. -
the Iggster
Yes, Joh, he is still with us.
With Kate Pierson back in the nineties.
“I’ve had a hole in my heart for so long …”
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“Melania was deliberately marginalised while the press feted the scowling rookie Michelle Obama, and now the withered plastic Jill Biden.”
I’ve never forgotten how ungracious that scowling ugly Bitch Obama was on Inauguration Day in 2017, when Melania arrived at the WH looking radiantly beautiful, and remember how she graciously tried to give the scowling Bitch a gift? I’ve never forgotten how ugly, how nasty and how ungracious the Bitch Obama was to Melania.
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Konstantin Kisin knows his fashion.
Interviewed by the Anderson, he is wearing a pair of 501s with a brand new pair of navy bleu Gazelles.
When Renton is charging down the street in the first few seconds of Trainspotting, he’s wearing a pair of 501s and gazelles.
When I’m annoying many, many people since forever, there is nothing like wearing a pair of 501s with Gazelles … 🙂
Universal. This has never been about design or some other abstract concept – it is a natural fit. 🙂
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Purveying the Greatest Rock ‘n’ Roll tune evah
Gotta challenge.
AC/DC – Let There Be Rock (1977)
Why was Bon Scott so awesome? I don’t know. Something.
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Cassie, unless there is widespread fraud, I can’t see the Yes vote getting up.
Lee, these are people who are lying to us now and committing fraud as they go. This tells me that they wouldn’t think twice to cheat provided that they could get away with it. In other words, they will cheat though I fervently hope it will not be enough to change the outcome.
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Cassie, unless there is widespread fraud, I can’t see the Yes vote getting up.
I don’t see any benefit for this country in whatever way the referendum goes. If the “NO” vote is successful, we’ll have all the 1/16th professional “Indigenous” protesting in the streets, if the “YES” vote is successful, the demands will be for a treaty, reparations, and, yes, pulling down the statues and re – writing the history.
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Sacré bleu – did someone mention Hausfraus?
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Ridiculously good cover of Let There Be Rock by a band who will remain nameless.
Like that they were having a great time playing it.
Ok, gotta do one of theirs.
Foo Fighters – Learn To Fly (1999)
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Goil – I met you at JC Penney … 🙂
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Ok, since John Farnham has come out for the dark side, I have to counter it.
Ultravox – The Voice (1981)
Would make a very fine No anthem!
Great song, BoN. But Ultravox’s finest work was at Live Aid. Everyone raves about Queen and Freddie, but Midge Ure stole the show with his vocal of Vienna. Superb.
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Bushie – Okay a keyboard isn’t on. Steel drum band though?
The Police – Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic (1976)
A cousin who was a rep for a rum company invited me to a knees-up in Kingston, they had a steel drum band. I stood in front of them and soaked it up like sponge. It was seriously good, although I might’ve damaged my hearing.
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The ad containing Farnham’s “voice” song.
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Vienna. Superb.
Agree most certainly!
Ultravox and Gary Numan. Seriously good.
Ok I’ll do one no one has ever heard.
The Great Balloon Race – Sky (1985)
Coda:
Sky – Desperate for your Love (1985)
Saw them at the Opera House once.
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Indigenous power struggles endanger Yes vote in key referendum state of Tasmania
By matthew denholm
Tasmania Correspondent
@MatthewRDenholm
Updated 8:37PM September 3, 2023, First published at 8:25PM September 3, 2023
No CommentsThe Yes campaign in Tasmania is being cruelled by power struggles between warring Indigenous groups whose opposition to the voice is driven by fear their rivals will control it.
Yes campaigners are most confident in the left-leaning south, but No sentiment is fuelled by bitter conflict between Indigenous groups, particularly in the more conservative north and northwest.
The longstanding peak Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, associated with prominent family groups, is battling what it claims are attempts by “tick-a-box” Indigenous people to gain influence and control over land and organisations.
Read NextHostility between the TAC and newer, regional-based Aboriginal corporations is most acute in the northwest, where the Circular Head Aboriginal Corporation has growing influence. The two groups are often at loggerheads – over Aboriginal identity, voting rights and land access – but are in furious agreement on one issue: the voice is no good.
Each has a range of reasons but a common theme is concern the other mob will gain control of the voice and disenfranchise them. Both would rather government consult with them and their elders directly than via a voice from which they felt excluded.
It is a divide that threatens to fell the voice campaign, as Yes insiders increasingly see Tasmania and South Australia as key to getting the majority of states required to pass a referendum.
READ MORE: Tassie a key voice battleground | Legislate now: Call to dump ‘polarising’ voice | Dutton dividing nation: former Lib premier | Liberal leaders reject Dutton’s voice crusadeIn the west of the state in Smithton, CHAC chairwoman Selina Maguire-Colgrave said the Tom Calma-Marcia Langton model of just two voice representatives per state did not sit well with the divisions in Tasmanian Aboriginal politics. “In Tassie, we are still fighting for recognition as Aboriginal people – the TAC and the land council don’t recognise many of CHAC’s members,” Mrs Maguire-Colgrave said.
She said TAC figures had abused and boycotted CHAC members on state committees, providing a glimpse of what the voice would be like.
“We see Marcia Langton’s map and the plan for two people from Tasmania – it would be the complete downfall of CHAC should that happen,” she said.
“It (only two Tasmanian voice representatives) would cut our voice off. That’s why we’re voting No. It’s divisive.”
Mrs Maguire-Colgrave is calling for detail about how many voice members will be elected and how. She believed it was culturally inappropriate to expect Tasmania – a land of disparate Indigenous nations and groups – to have as few as two voice members. “Each community in Australia has its own issues – what’s happening here in Circular Head is different to the needs in outback WA,” she said.
“So how are either of our voices heard by just two people sitting in an office in the capital city? You’ve got to talk to each community.”
She said TAC assertions that CHAC members were not Aboriginal were wrong and motivated by that organisation’s attempts to retain control.
Krystelle Jordan, a TAC member and its treaty negotiation group, said: “I wonder, especially here on the northwest coast, how many of these (voice) seats will include Aboriginal people – and not just people who tick a box and claim to be Aboriginal.”
Devonport-based Ms Jordan said there were “too many unknowns” about the voting system, the number of voice seats and eligibility. “If these people do manage to sit on these advisory committees, it then becomes another white advisory committee,” she said. “So that advice will not come from our elders, who it should come from. It’s going to come from people who quite literally only have to tick a box.”
She conceded some TAC members may vote Yes, despite the strong No stance of elders such as Michael Mansell, but believed most would vote No.
“We have been advising the government for 250 years and we’re sick of it,” she said. “My elders have stood staunch in the struggle to get our land back through sit-ins and marches through the streets of lutruwita (Tasmania),” Ms Jordan said.
“It’s my elders whose voice matters and my elders have never marched the streets for an advisory committee. The voice is more of a step back in our view. It’s a waste of a referendum. Treaty should come first and foremost.”
The situation is disappointing for Indigenous Tasmanians backing the Yes case, who include members of groups from Bruny Island in the south to Six Rivers Aboriginal Corporation in the north.
Albert “Sammy” Howard, a Devonport-based Six Rivers member, said he jumped ship from the No to the Yes camp, believing the voice would deliver constitutional recognition and an advisory body that could be ironed out by parliament.
“I realised it’s just two simple questions,” Mr Howard said. “If you believe Aboriginal people were here before colonisation, vote Yes. If you also believe that Aboriginal people deserve to have a voice in things that concern them, vote Yes. That’s it. The rest of it is to be decided by the Australian parliament of the day. Also, if the Yes vote doesn’t get up, it will put treaty negotiations back 20 years.”
Rodney Dillon, of Bruny’s Weetapoona Aboriginal Corporation and the First Nations Referendum Working Group, backs a Yes vote, believing the voice “can make significant change” and that a No vote would set back Aboriginal rights.
He said increasing the number of voice representatives would be up for discussion. “But two (voice) members is two more than we have now,” Mr Dillon said. “Let’s have the vote, get this thing through – and then there’s a few things like (number of positions) that we could talk about.”
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I think Dutton recognises that there is possibly a majority who would vote for constitutional recognition but not the Voice.
Albo’s people know that too, hence from day 1 they have been trying to conflate the two and insist that if you’re in favour of recognition, this is your only chance.
It’s interesting that Dutton has proposed a second referendum vs just taking it to the next election. Assume either not wanting to piss off those who aren’t in favour of constitutional recognition with a fait accompli and/or as a preemptive counter to criticism that they have promised it before yet did nothing in government.
Agree the idea of a second referendum is going to turn a lot of people off though – especially once the gloves come off in the lead up to and aftermath of the first one.
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Perfidious Albino
Sep 3, 2023 9:09 PM
I think Dutton recognises that there is possibly a majority who would vote for constitutional recognition but not the Voice.
I get that this is what he is trying to do.
To go for a simple symbolic acknowledgement without any transfer of power.
No doubt his very clever advisors will be telling him it will be a re-run of the 1998 Republic referendum, with the left vote split on the best republican model.
I think it is a tactical mistake.
If da Voice fails, just say “It’s cooked. Come back in twenty years. In the meantime, let’s stop f-cking around and get some basics done. Kids into school. Proper prevention of DV. Proper booze bans in remote areas. Etcetera, etcetera.” -
A kissed out red float boat
That’s a ridiculously good track with less than a thousand views. Sheesh.
It’s stupid even (1995)
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Rukshan Fernando
@therealrukshanNew Zealand PM is now blaming NZ citizens for taking the mandatory vaccines to keep their jobs and feed their families. These people are sick.
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No vote for Voice tips over 50 per cent as Coalition leads Labor on Newspoll primary vote
Exclusive
By simon benson
Political Editor
9:30PM September 3, 2023
13 CommentsThe Coalition has leapt ahead of Labor on primary votes for the first time since last year’s election and Anthony Albanese has dipped into negative territory, as support for the voice dropped further following the referendum date announcement and the official launch of a six-week campaign.
An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows support for an Indigenous voice to parliament and executive government falling to 38 per cent and those intending to vote No rising to 53 per cent.
This marks the first time that opposition to a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous voice to parliament and executive government has achieved an outright majority.
Read NextIt comes as support for the Coalition lifts to its highest level since the May 2022 election, with the opposition now leading Labor 37 per cent to 35 per cent on primary votes.
While Labor still leads comfortably on a two-party preferred lead of 53-47 per cent, the Prime Minister’s personal approval ratings have also fallen into negative territory for the first time in his premiership.
Mr Albanese now faces a divisive six-week campaign ahead of the October 14 referendum with electoral support for the government in a weakened position as cost-of-living issues continue to bite with households.
The results reflect shifting sentiments in the six-week gap since the previous Newspoll on July 15. This survey was conducted between last Monday and Friday and polled 1200 voters throughout Australia. The further decline in support for the voice follows the Prime Minister’s announcement last week that the referendum would be held on October 14.
The fall in favour for the voice – on the back of a five-point rise in the No vote and a three point decline in the Yes vote since July – was consistent almost across the board with the most notable declines among men and the important demographic of 35 to 49-year-olds.
The only age group with a majority in favour of the voice now is the 18 to 34-year-old group. But among these younger voters there was a four-point decline in support to 55 per cent. There was now a majority against the referendum question across all other age groups, with 66 per cent of over 65s, 61 per cent of 50 to 64-year-olds and 51 per cent of 35 to 49-year-olds saying they intended to vote No.
Suffer in your jocks, Albo, it’s all downhill from here.
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Cats, for those times when you just have to don a black tactical turtleneck and a Soviet Grey Levi’s jacket, while wielding a cherry red Gibbo …
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A day spent in outdoor pursuits.
Returned to find a six pack of frothy delights in the fridge and a massive pizza, courtesy of the son and heir, who started his plumbing apprenticeship a week ago.
Outstanding Father’s Day.
*Also watched Top Gun: Maverick on Focks. Much, much better than anticipated.
**Already had a series of conversations with the abovementioned son and heir about That Guy, who will appear on most sites at some point, and who I may have mentioned about a fortnight ago from my own experience.
He reckons there’s one there already. Lots of mouth, but all the blokes reckon he’s a dickhead.
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**Already had a series of conversations with the abovementioned son and heir about That Guy, who will appear on most sites at some point, and who I may have mentioned about a fortnight ago from my own experience.
He reckons there’s one there already. Lots of mouth, but all the blokes reckon he’s a dickhead.
Absolutely amazing that these blokes go through their entire “career” imagining that people worship the ground they walk on, whilst the reality is they are a laughing stock.
PS. I lied about the God-Emperor air-con guy at the Tokyo Museum.
There is no such deity.
Just people who efficiently go about their tasks with a minimum of fuss.
In fact, I think the Japanese would make great footy umps. Their crowning glory is when everything works and no-one even notices they were there. -
Someone mentioned living under a biblical constitution before.
I want to know how it works.
It’s not more of “rocks, trees and people are basically the same” is it?
I’m also being serious and I’m curious to know what they mean.
Blackstone?
Athelstan’s laws?Equity is rooted in doctrines of a Christian Kingship.
It’s a curious and tantalising throwaway remark to make.
Maybe they just mean Christianity disavows the path of apartheid, however well intentioned?
If they didn’t I’m genuinely perplexed and intrigued.
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An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows support for an Indigenous voice to parliament and executive government falling to 38 per cent and those intending to vote No rising to 53 per cent.
n = 1200
Slightly disappointing. A big poll with bad (strong NO) in every single State would put my mind at ease.
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dover0beach
Sep 3, 2023 11:07 PM
Did anyone here watch tonight’s 7News Spotlight? Was on trans for minors and reportedly quite good.
I think the tide is turning on this, and right across the political spectrum.
Incidentally, Channel Seven have been doing good work of late.
They were the first commercial TV network to break ranks and consider the possibility that a former Canbra staffer might, in fact, be a lying cow.
And Natalie Barr has been hitting some backhand winners down the line against Liars Party talking points. It must be causing a Plibber’s PR flaks to choke on their Samurai cut oats when their daily spin blurb has been torpedoed below the water-line by 7:15 a.m. -
General Election:
Trump vs. Biden WSJ Biden 46, Trump 46 Tie
Trump vs. Biden vs. West WSJ* Trump 40, Biden 39, West 2 Trump +1The trend now is great for Trump and terrible for Biden. The last NBC/ WSJ poll in 2020 was Biden +10. If the above occurred in the upcoming Presidential, Trump would stomp Biden in the Electoral College.
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