Open Thread – Mon 11 Sept 2023


Napoleon at Brienne, Jacques Marie Gaston Onfroy de Breville, 1908

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JC
JC
September 12, 2023 9:28 am

Oh yes , Joyce made a lot of money, so why shouldn’t he get both barrels? Think of the poor instead! FMD.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 9:35 am

Should be Fun in the Northen Hemisphere soon – Pleased to be in Southern Hemisphere

NATO to stage largest war games since Cold War – FT

Some 41,000 troops in Germany, Poland, and the Baltics will take part in the Steadfast Defender exercise, the outlet has reported

NATO is poised to hold its largest military exercises since the Cold War era in Western Europe early next year, the Financial Times reported on Monday. The drills will simulate the bloc’s response to a hypothetical Russian invasion and are intended to increase readiness for such a scenario, according to the outlet.

Bearing the name Steadfast Defender, the exercises will involve around 41,000 troops, more than 50 ships, and between 500 and 700 combat air missions, according to the report. While the exercises are designed to simulate a clash with a fictional coalition named ‘Occasus,’ NATO officials told the FT that the maneuvers are “seen as a key part of demonstrating to Moscow that the alliance is prepared to fight.”

The exercises will reportedly take place in Germany, Poland, and the Baltic states, which border Russia, in February and March 2024. NATO-applicant Sweden will also be involved, the report said. The Nordic nation applied to join the bloc last year, but its application is still in limbo due to the reluctance of Türkiye and Hungary to ratify its bid, owing to a number of grievances in bilateral relations.

The FT also reported that NATO intends to hold two major war games a year instead of one. The exercise will also reportedly focus on counterterrorism efforts outside of the bloc’s borders.

Exercises are also seen as a key part of demonstrating to Moscow that the alliance is prepared to fight, Nato officials said.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2023 9:36 am

Duk
How is it possible for a UTI to affect brain function? That’s a really hard one to get my head around (pun intended).

Any serious illness can cause delirium via multiple mechanisms:

– Bacteria, and their dead debris, can release toxins
– the electrochemical balance of the body can be deranged (low Na+) in particular
– treatments may be disorienting (eg narcotics)
– treatment may involve moving the patient to an unfamiliar place, and disrupt sleep patterns (a noisy hospital ward).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2023 9:38 am

“If you transition all of your problems will be fixed”

Three stories of ‘detransitioning’.

How an evil ideology persuaded these three lovely girls to believe they were men.
Trans is a Cult.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 9:38 am

It’s Time………. for an Upgrade & Chairman’s Lounge

From the Comments

– And a swtch hitting 3some??

– Hmmmmm AC/DC?

– They make such a lovely couple. I just can’t unsee it.

– Is Albo a double adapter?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 12, 2023 9:42 am

Exercises are also seen as a key part of demonstrating to Moscow that the alliance is prepared to fight, Nato officials said.

Quite ominous. De-escalation needed, with a powerful top negotiator not afraid to call out the vested-in-war interests.

Bring on President Trump.

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 9:44 am

Think of the poor instead! FMD.

Who said anything about poor? I’m talking about anyone who has to actually work for a living, pay taxes etc. The average family in this country.

Naturally as usual , to make a fkg dumb point, you have to sneer and denigrate those people. You really are a fkg nasty piece of work.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 9:52 am

Quite ominous.

Esp. given a Russian general’s recent musings on the next steps in the war.

Not a senior commander, granted, but he was giving voice to Kremlin rhetoric.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 9:57 am

Who said anything about poor? I’m talking about anyone who has to actually work for a living, pay taxes etc. The average family in this country.

The shrinking middle class.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2023 9:57 am

I will have to repost something I said about three weeks ago.

———————-

Let’s look at Australia’s monetary accommodation, ignoring the QE that happened in 2019 that no one seems to have noticed (no significant growth in M0 but a huge and sudden jump in M1)…

Looking at M0 (high powered money, currency) growth, the CAGR from 1 January 2020 to today is 49.54%.

Just absolutely incredible, over three years and almost eight months.

Up from 116.8 bn on Jan 1 2020 to 507.14 bn today.

That’s on top of a tax RATE of 80-85% on new dwelling construction, to which mortgages are paid from after paying income tax & without deductibles.

The solution to the housing crisis is to avoid insanity – stop doing what doesn’t work and what is demonstrably bad, wrong and existentially damaging vis a vis demographic suffocation.

—————

This is why housing is unaffordable. We have implicitly made a political choice that it ought to be unaffordable.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2023 9:57 am

The shrinking middle class.

There’s at least two MAJOR reasons for this!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 9:59 am

Cultural elites offer discounts to woo First Nations crowds

I’m just seeing the Wilcannia mob, arriving at the theatre, to claim their discounts for an evening at the ballet…

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 9:59 am

What’s land banking and constipated land policy have to do with a guy who’s been screwed over by you and the rest of the left, you freaking moron. Go cry on the Guardian website.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 9:59 am

Indolent

Sep 11, 2023 7:26 PM
Scientist tests his theory and cooks the books to support the left’s climate narrative… major magazine publishes his work

The entire Global Warming Narrative is just another form of control in the same way that Lysenkoism was.
And it will deliver exactly the same thing that Lysenko did under Communism – piles of skulls.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 10:04 am

There’s at least two MAJOR reasons for this!

Go on…

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 10:08 am

Indolent:
A couple of excellent articles from American Thinker:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/09/energy_prices_in_america_are_going_to_get_much_worse_than_weve_ever_imagined.html
If the Democrats aren’t consigned to the very deepest parts of Hell at the next election, and the same in Australia and England, then we are rooted because they will do what the Communists have always done – destroy nations and reduce their peoples to abject poverty.

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
September 12, 2023 10:09 am

Stephen Conroy (on Blot on Sky) is the worst possible useful idiot the Liars could send out to defend the Voice in the media.

Conroy is very hard to watch. He will never concede that the other side might have a point. Tends to rudeness.

I’m not sure if he believes what he is saying, but he has to follow the party line regardless. I hate that mentality.

C.L.
C.L.
September 12, 2023 10:10 am

CIA-financed goofball Mick Ryan: the mud will save the ‘counter-offensive.’

Bless.

But Ukraine is winning anyway:

Despite the grim assessments of some over the past few months, Ukraine is making progress in its ground offensives, holding off a Russian offensive in the north and accelerating its strategic strike campaign. Ukraine now holds the strategic initiative.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 10:13 am

What was mused?

When asked if Ukraine was a “stepping stone” to other wars:

“I think there‘s still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer. It is only the beginning. The war will not stop here.”

It was taken by many as a reference to Poland, in the first instance.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 12, 2023 10:15 am

Dot
Sep 12, 2023 9:57 AM
The shrinking middle class.

There’s at least two MAJOR reasons for this!

Three actually.

Greens, Liars, Lieborals.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 10:16 am

Barking Toad:

Conroy is an imbecile, not as bad as Bowen but right up there.

No. These people know very well what they want and they are going to get it despite how many widows children starve as they do so. And if they are confronted with the evidence of their sociopathic inhumanity, they will form a Commission to Feed Starving Orphans, and put their mates in charge of the budget.
They want more than anyone else, and the worst of them want want more than everybody else.
And we put them in that position to achieve it.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 10:21 am

Mao suits are a brand, but, no, the move from “Apple is being exploitive with the brand name” to “everything purchased by brand is exploitive” doesn’t follow.

Mao suits are brand like Hermes? You can walk into Myers and find the Mao jumpsuit department next to Ralph Lauren?

You still have to explain how a firm , every firm in fact, attempting to maximise profits is exploitive. This ungodly capitalist system is so unjust.

It’s the brand + acts that are exploitative that is required.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 10:22 am

A quick answer to 3 points raised yesterday

Johnny Rotten
Sep 11, 2023 1:43 PM

The system was written in IBM 360 assembly language with a few PL1 bolt ons. Nothing gets changed quickly in Assembly.

IBM Assembler language is the machine language and it is farking hard to get to grips with. You need to know your hexadecimals and what Register does what.

I did a 3 week course on it in April/May 1981. It took me 4 weeks to recover.

Turnip
Sep 11, 2023 2:37 PM

ACCC tells us it was 8,000 flights, not bookings. So, unless QANTAS was cancelling an extraordinary series of one pax flights, we appear to be talking 100’s of thousands of paid bookings.

Not to defend the indefensible, but these 8000 flights that were cancelled were only open for sale a “short” period after being cancelled so the only fliers affected would have only been those that bought during that 2 or 3 weeks period.

All bookings on the cancelled flights would have been moved or cancelled, but the majority would have purchased when the flight was still scheduled.

My guess is that the booking system is different to the “asset management’ system. The flights were cancelled in the asset system which did not then flow through to the sale/ booking platform.

Given the common complaint is that Qantas IT is run by work experience kiddies, this is no surprise.

Probably more incompetence than outright malice.

Diogenes
Sep 11, 2023 3:04 PM

I did a 3 week course on it in April/May 1981. It took me 4 weeks to recover.

I was working on the PL1 bolt ons. They had a 2 year maintenance backlog on the PL1 when I arrived, when I left I was fixing bugs as they came in.

I sat in on many structured walkthroughs of changes to Assembly code. Because I could speak “code” , but was not experienced with Assembly, we found more problems as they had to explain their code to their “mother in law” ie explain every line.

Having worked on SILLIAC Sydney Uni Physics Dept, DEC Syd Uni Electrical Eng early 60s, then IBM Plug Wire Accounting Machines & 1401

I did Commenwealth Govt Full Time PIT Course (Forerunner of Computing Science) & learnt IBM 360 Assembler as my Dept was using EE system 4 which used 360 Assembler

Qantas offered me a job at the end of the course and I was in the team that picked up IPARS Assembler Reservations System from BOAC (Now BA) in 1970 – Became expert in analysing Hex Machine Dumps & Patching online on the fly in real time problem solving

Qantas & BOAC devleoped KM Online Schedule Change in mid 70s – was also involved in selection & implemetation of 360 Assembler Departure Control Checkin/ Weight and Balance Systems – Continued involvement in Airline Res Systems through 90s including Online Web Booking Systems for BA & SQ

Qantas moved to Amadeus Res System in early 2000s

Amadeus System is located in Erding Germany

turnip,

Re My guess is that the booking system is different to the “asset management’ system. The flights were cancelled in the asset system which did not then flow through to the sale/ booking platform.

Everything is contained in the PNR – Passenger Name Record

as you can see from this online search

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amadeus+km+online+schedule+schange&ia=web

Amadeus Schedule Change Update handles your schedule changes from start to finish – fast and according to your needs. You decide what actions to take per airline depending on the schedule change. Ie.no action, reissuance, revalidation or manual queue.

IPARS is a Real Time Fully Re-entrant Design – amazing speed and the fact that having been designed mids 6os is still in use today is outstanding

The follwoing fix list shows how it has adapted to today’s Modern IT

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/fix-list-ibm-ipars-v241

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 10:24 am

How is it possible for a UTI to affect brain function? That’s a really hard one to get my head around (pun intended).

Immune messenger molecules have implications for brain function. Interleukin 1, a key inflammatory mediator, directly impacts on the brain and induces central fatigue. It even may contribute to post-prandial fatigue(after eating). Another inflammatory molecule, il-17, appears to even influence broader aspects of behavior. These types of findings have occurred in the last 20 years but were prefigured with Benjamin Hart’s concept of sickness behavior.

We need to stop thinking that all our physiological processes are separated. It is one of the biggest stumbling blocks in understanding the relationship between brain and behavior, perhaps another example of the mereological fallacy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 10:29 am

In order to save the whales, we must kill the whales

That’s how The Science™ works, boys and girls. Respect it, or be made to answer to the Department of Homeland Security, bigot.

If you live on the East Coast of the U.S., chances are you’ve seen and/or heard tell of the increasing-in-frequency local news reports on the dead-whale-washing-up-on-shore phenomenon.

“A new documentary, ‘Thrown To The Wind,’ by Director and Producer Jonah Markowitz, proves that the US government officials have been lying.

The full film, which is at the bottom of this article, documents surprisingly loud, high-decibel sonar emitted by wind industry vessels when measured with state-of-the-art hydrophones. And it shows that the wind industry’s increased boat traffic is correlated directly with specific whale deaths.

The documentary may not stop the industrial wind projects from being built. After all, the wind projects were going forward despite urgent warnings from leading conservation groups and a top scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

But ‘Thrown To The Wind’ exposes the reality that the U.S. government agencies, and the scientists who work for them, either haven’t done the basic mapping and acoustic research to back up their claims, have done the research badly, or found what we found, and are covering it up.”

Anyway, what’s a few thousand dead whales when a totalitarian social control agenda is on the line? You want to make a climate change omelet, you’re gonna have to break some marine mammal eggs.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 10:29 am

Roger
Sep 12, 2023 10:13 AM
What was mused?

When asked if Ukraine was a “stepping stone” to other wars:

“I think there‘s still plenty of time to spend. It is pointless to talk about a specified period. If we are talking about Eastern Europe, which we will have to, of course then it will be longer. It is only the beginning. The war will not stop here.”

It was taken by many as a reference to Poland, in the first instance.

It has been mentioned here that there are people in Russia much more hard line than Putin so the remarks are not surprising. The person making them though is surprisingly stupid.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 10:35 am

Naturally as usual , to make a fkg dumb point, you have to sneer and denigrate those people. You really are a fkg nasty piece of work.

Oh let’s look at what a nasty sneering sack of shit really looks like:

So for the clowns shedding a tear for Joyce and how poorly the little queer is appreciated,

His sexual orientation has something to do with, does it? The “little queer” deserves it, right?
You’re such a piece of shit. Everything you accuse others of is your mirror image.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 10:36 am

Sort of unbelievable anyone seriously thinks any of this is seriously being considered by the Kremlin.

Their armed forces are demonstrably not up to it, to begin with.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 10:36 am

Watch: Germany’s Baerbock Humiliated In Dressing Down By Ukraine Foreign Minister

BY TYLER DURDEN

TUESDAY, SEP 12, 2023 – 10:00 AM

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock was utterly humiliated by her Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in a joint press conference on Monday.

Baerbock had traveled to war-ravaged Ukraine on her fourth visit since Russia’s invasion. She engaged the Zelensky government in high level talks, at one point announcing 20 million euros more in humanitarian aid (Berlin has now provided 380 million euros this year).

But naturally the Ukrainian side pressed her on supplying more advanced weapons, in particular the Swedish-German produced long-range Taurus cruise missile.

That’s when Kubela lashed out at Germany’s top diplomat in a deeply embarrassing moment for Berlin…

Kuleba wipes his feet on Annalena Baerbock. When asked if she gave him any hope that Germany will supply Ukraine with Taurus missiles:

“No, she didn’t go beyond the official position of the German government… but you’ll do it anyway, it’s just a matter of time”

Embarrassing.

Things took a turn at the joint presser when a journalist asked about the difficulties of the counteroffensive along the southern front, and posed whether Kubela thinks Kiev’s Western backers should supply weapons like the Taurus “quicker and faster”….

Kubela then explained he had pressed the German delegation for Taurus deliveries as soon as possible, but that Baerbock left him no “hope” in these meetings.

He then in a smug and patronizing tone looked toward her and said:

“No, she didn’t go beyond the official position of the German government… but you’ll do it anyway, it’s just a matter of time.”

“You will do it anyway, its just a matter of time, and I don’t understand why we are wasting time,” Kuleba said in response to a question at a press conference.

Kubula then described that more and more Ukrainian lives have been lost due to Western delays in weapons approval and deliveries. The suggestion was that it’s Berlin’s fault (and that of other slow to play along allies).

Online commentators were quick to point out how “embarrassing” and “pathetic” the moment was for the German side.

Others pointed out the “arrogance” on display by Kubela, given also she made the lengthy, dangerous trip into Kiev to announce new humanitarian aid. Such “gifts” weren’t enough.

One regional commentator had this to say in response to the clip:

“So here we have a US protectorate (Germany) being publicly mocked by a US proxy (Ukraine). One of the pitfalls of military alignment — the interests of the alliance as defined by the alliance leader is always supreme.”

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 10:38 am

Another reason I’m suspicious of China commentary in the West. It seems entirely curated.

Dover, the website address should tell you everything you need to know. Like The Age, the Sydney Morning Herald is no longer a newspaper, but a headless communist workers collective, where editors can be toppled by a shopfloor vote of the collective.

Nine’s ownership has made zero difference. Both papers are still ruled by agreement with the former Fairfax management, which forbids management from setting editorial policy — now ceded to the workers.

And, when it comes to foreign affairs, the SMH doesn’t do rational analysis, just tribal recitations of generic international communist policy — i.e., what would Emperor Xi think?

Hope that helps.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 10:44 am

Roger
Sep 12, 2023 10:36 AM
Sort of unbelievable anyone seriously thinks any of this is seriously being considered by the Kremlin.

Their armed forces are demonstrably not up to it, to begin with.

Which is one reason why it is surprisingly stupid. The statement is probably for the domestic market.

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 10:51 am

What’s land banking and constipated land policy have to do with a guy who’s been screwed over by you and the rest of the left, you freaking moron.

“The left”. Lol. Anyone who opposes corporate fascism and regulated theft is “left”. You are so dim, you are sounding like mOron.

Because restricted supply of land has nothing whatsoever to do with property prices and the COL, rents , loan/mortgage costs , property rates, infrastructure- you fkg lard head. Get a refund on your Fin Minor, you’re hopeless. You are here as a mouthpiece for the likes of Joyce and his corp parasitic fascist thieving mates. The very same fascist grubs who took our money and supported state and Fed Govts thugs imprisoning us for 2 years while intimidating the population into the vaccines in their workplaces.

This is you showing your true colours. You should fuck off to the Upper East Side and not return. One less corporate shill is always welcome.

johanna
johanna
September 12, 2023 10:53 am

We need to stop thinking that all our physiological processes are separated. It is one of the biggest stumbling blocks in understanding the relationship between brain and behavior, perhaps another example of the mereological fallacy.

Not sure that the distinctions are hard and fast in modern medicine, but I take your point. Apart from anything else, the discomfort caused by pain and illness can make some people cranky and/or irrational, as most of us know.

And you are quite right to mention the effect of treatment. It can radically change people’s behaviour and impulses.

For example, when I spent five days in hospital recently, drugged to the eyeballs with Endone, I didn’t notice that I couldn’t smoke, even though I’ve been doing at least a pack a day for more than 50 years.

It’s a trivial example, except that giving up smoking is one of the hardest habits to break.

Medicine has made gigantic strides in the surgical world – outstanding.

Pharmacology has mixed results, probably weighed on the plus side, but not by very much (I’m excluding penicillin).

As for psychiatry – ai yi yi!

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 10:54 am

The writs were issued for the referendum yesterday, btw.

As predicted, Albanese is going to crash through or crash in Whitlamesque fashion.

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 10:55 am

Moderation dover?

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 10:56 am

Another reason I’m suspicious of China commentary in the West. It seems entirely curated.

DB I don’t trust the MSM reports on China.

The MSM approach to China is ridiculous. Xi is an asshole but the idea that China is preparing to go on some huge military rampage doesn’t make sense. China wants the South China Sea for resource and security purposes but beyond that there is little it can do. The Taiwan problem for them is in part about access to that sea. I can’t even see China invading Taiwan and many analysts not interviewed in the MSM think China can’t do it. Recent simulations in the USA showed that even in the worst case scenario, with the odds stacked in favour of China, its Navy and air force would be decimated. The USA would also suffer heavy losses, including an aircraft carriers and other ships, and hundreds of aircraft, but the decimation of China’s military machine could result in the overthrow of the CCP; in the very least Xi would have an “accident”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2023 10:58 am

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock was utterly humiliated by her Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in a joint press conference on Monday.

He has a point. Germany has gone so woke that they are totally hopeless. For example they shut down their nuke plants and then started buying electricity from French nuke plants. Hypocrisy on steroids.

Flailing ‘sick man of Europe’ Germany blamed for dragging down Eurozone (11 Sep)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 10:58 am

Roger
Sep 12, 2023 10:36 AM

Sort of unbelievable anyone seriously thinks any of this is seriously being considered by the Kremlin.

Their armed forces are demonstrably not up to it, to begin with.

Roger,

again I use the analogy of Russina Kamaz Trucks

It’s the KAMAZ, or Kamsky Avtomobilny Zavod, the Russian truck manufacturer which recorded sixteen wins at Dakar Rally between 1996 and 2019. KAMAZ made a debut at Dakar Rally in 1990.

Producing trucks since 1976

KAMAZ is a relatively young company founded in 1969, in Naberezhnye Chelny in the Russian republic of Tatarstan.

The first truck rolled out of the factory in 1976. Over the course of many years, KAMAZ has proven to be the maker of durable, almost omnipotent heavy duty trucks used in all terrains, from the Siberian taigas to the deserts of North Africa and the unforgiving mountain roads of South American Andes.

Built Tough to Agricultural Standrads and designed to survive

The Russian same approach to Military Equipment

Recently, Russian engineers at Kurganmashzavod—Russia’s premier IFV manufacturer—who studied a captured Bradley released this report:

But wait until you see the real piece de resistance on the Bradley which clinches this point later on in the article.

The fact is, Western weapons aren’t as good as the advertising. So to say that the crew “survived” despite the systems being continually picked off in a turkey shoot is not a great endorsement.

The RUSI report continues by stating that “The prerequisite condition for any offensive action is fires (artillery) dominance. This has been achieved through blinding the counterbattery capability of Russian guns and the availability of precise and long-range artillery systems. Ensuring the sustainability of this advantage by properly resourcing ammunition production and spares for a consolidated artillery park is critical.”

Why did 2 of the West’s most advanced artillery SPGs, the French Caesar and British AS-90 both just suffer catastrophic deaths in the past few days

Furthermore, Ukraine suffers from far greater barrel wear as they don’t have the luxury to swap barrels as Russia does, for obvious logistical reasons. That means their systems lose accuracy and range. The actual operative range of most of their remaining M777s is probably 15km give or take, as that’s the most you’ll get out of a worn barrel—and the M777 barrels are finicky to begin with.

Russia on the other hand provably swaps barrels on the front all the time, as numerous videos attest:

Agricultural beats Wetern Computeriesed – Speak to Landrover Defender Owners

WSJ – Is Land Rover’s New Defender SUV More Trouble Than It’s Worth?

With overlanding power and a three-foot wading depth, the handsome Defender can conquer the Andes. But the brand has well-documented reliability issues. Dan Neil on whether the benefits outweigh the risks

Don’t Buy: 2022 Land Rover Defender (and here’s why)

YOU NEED A SCAN TOOL

Modern vehicles bristle with electronics and diagnosis is impossible without one.

Back in the good ‘ol days of bush breakdowns you checked for liquids and ignition and you were set, but now it’s very, very different.

I can remember one morning, a few years back, in the Northern Simpson Desert, climbing to the top of Geosurveys Hill for the mandatory dawn shot over sand ridges that stretched to the horizon.

I looked back at our almost insignificant campsite and saw my then bush mount, a Land Rover Discovery 3, just catching the early sun’s rays and thought, ruefully:

“Boy, I hope you start.”

Back then, we were all adjusting to the presence of electronics in modern 4WDs, but the reality hadn’t yet sunk in: if a fault code or icon appeared that knobbled vehicle performance we had no way of diagnosing it correctly, or of repairing, or bypassing it.

As the years went by, we had more and more unfortunate experiences with electronic faults.

Another vivid memory is trying to control the downward plunge of an automatic-transmission Jeep Wrangler from the top of Mount Pinnibar to Tom Groggin in the High Country. We’d snagged an ABS wire on the rear axle and that threw up an expected ABS fault code. What we didn’t expect was a cancellation of low-range selection!

We reconnected the ABS wire, but low range still wasn’t available and, without low-range engine braking, that slippery slope was highly dangerous. We survived, with periodic cool-offs of the red-hot brakes, then canned the test and came home.

The logic that links vehicle electronic functions doesn’t correlate with what you’d expect: why would a lack of ABS also eliminate low-range, for example? If we’d had some means of accessing these electronics it’s possible we could have reset the ABS system and hopefully restored the needed gearing.

We wouldn’t undertake any remote-area trips in a modern 4WD without a scan tool. (Our trusty, 30-year-old 75 Series don’t need one!)

Anyone leading a convoy of current-model 4WDs in the scrub is nuts if they don’t have some means of diagnosing bypassing interfering, cross-linked electronic functions.

Roger
Roger
September 12, 2023 10:58 am

Which is one reason why it is surprisingly stupid. The statement is probably for the domestic market.

And believing the Russian general populace is up for endless wars is also stupid.

A lot of it going about lately.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:00 am

Roger
Sep 12, 2023 10:36 AM

Sort of unbelievable anyone seriously thinks any of this is seriously being considered by the Kremlin.

Their armed forces are demonstrably not up to it, to begin with.

Roger,

again I use the analogy of Russina Kamaz Trucks

It’s the KAMAZ, or Kamsky Avtomobilny Zavod, the Russian truck manufacturer which recorded sixteen wins at Dakar Rally between 1996 and 2019. KAMAZ made a debut at Dakar Rally in 1990.

Producing trucks since 1976

KAMAZ is a relatively young company founded in 1969, in Naberezhnye Chelny in the Russian republic of Tatarstan.

The first truck rolled out of the factory in 1976. Over the course of many years, KAMAZ has proven to be the maker of durable, almost omnipotent heavy duty trucks used in all terrains, from the Siberian taigas to the deserts of North Africa and the unforgiving mountain roads of South American Andes.

Built Tough to Agricultural Standrads and designed to survive

The Russian same approach to Military Equipment

Recently, Russian engineers at Kurganmashzavod—Russia’s premier IFV manufacturer—who studied a captured Bradley released this report:

But wait until you see the real piece de resistance on the Bradley which clinches this point later on in the article.

The fact is, Western weapons aren’t as good as the advertising. So to say that the crew “survived” despite the systems being continually picked off in a turkey shoot is not a great endorsement.

The RUSI report continues by stating that “The prerequisite condition for any offensive action is fires (artillery) dominance. This has been achieved through blinding the counterbattery capability of Russian guns and the availability of precise and long-range artillery systems. Ensuring the sustainability of this advantage by properly resourcing ammunition production and spares for a consolidated artillery park is critical.”

Why did 2 of the West’s most advanced artillery SPGs, the French Caesar and British AS-90 both just suffer catastrophic deaths in the past few days

Furthermore, Ukraine suffers from far greater barrel wear as they don’t have the luxury to swap barrels as Russia does, for obvious logistical reasons. That means their systems lose accuracy and range. The actual operative range of most of their remaining M777s is probably 15km give or take, as that’s the most you’ll get out of a worn barrel—and the M777 barrels are finicky to begin with.

Russia on the other hand provably swaps barrels on the front all the time, as numerous videos attest:

Agricultural beats Wetern Computeriesed – Speak to Landrover Defender Owners

WSJ – Is Land Rover’s New Defender SUV More Trouble Than It’s Worth?

With overlanding power and a three-foot wading depth, the handsome Defender can conquer the Andes. But the brand has well-documented reliability issues. Dan Neil on whether the benefits outweigh the risks

Don’t Buy: 2022 Land Rover Defender (and here’s why)

YOU NEED A SCAN TOOL

Modern vehicles bristle with electronics and diagnosis is impossible without one.

Back in the good ‘ol days of bush breakdowns you checked for liquids and ignition and you were set, but now it’s very, very different.

I can remember one morning, a few years back, in the Northern Simpson Desert, climbing to the top of Geosurveys Hill for the mandatory dawn shot over sand ridges that stretched to the horizon.

I looked back at our almost insignificant campsite and saw my then bush mount, a Land Rover Discovery 3, just catching the early sun’s rays and thought, ruefully:

“Boy, I hope you start.”

Back then, we were all adjusting to the presence of electronics in modern 4WDs, but the reality hadn’t yet sunk in: if a fault code or icon appeared that knobbled vehicle performance we had no way of diagnosing it correctly, or of repairing, or bypassing it.

As the years went by, we had more and more unfortunate experiences with electronic faults.

Another vivid memory is trying to control the downward plunge of an automatic-transmission Jeep Wrangler from the top of Mount Pinnibar to Tom Groggin in the High Country. We’d snagged an ABS wire on the rear axle and that threw up an expected ABS fault code. What we didn’t expect was a cancellation of low-range selection!

We reconnected the ABS wire, but low range still wasn’t available and, without low-range engine braking, that slippery slope was highly dangerous. We survived, with periodic cool-offs of the red-hot brakes, then canned the test and came home.

The logic that links vehicle electronic functions doesn’t correlate with what you’d expect: why would a lack of ABS also eliminate low-range, for example? If we’d had some means of accessing these electronics it’s possible we could have reset the ABS system and hopefully restored the needed gearing.

We wouldn’t undertake any remote-area trips in a modern 4WD without a scan tool. (Our trusty, 30-year-old 75 Series don’t need one!)

Anyone leading a convoy of current-model 4WDs in the scrub is nuts if they don’t have some means of diagnosing bypassing interfering, cross-linked electronic functions.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2023 11:02 am

I suspect if the MSM is reporting something bad going on in China it is far far worse in reality.

Taiwan envoy sees ‘alarming’ signs in China’s economic slowdown (11 Sep)

The Chinese government lies about absolutely everything. Exactly like the Left does here and in the US.

johanna
johanna
September 12, 2023 11:03 am

Just curious – why are people here so fascinated by the Ukraine/Russia war?

It has nothing to do with us, the information ‘sources’ are dodgy, yet we get pages and pages of people arguing about it, like the old Griks and Italians pointlessly arguing about politics and football outside coffee shops in Carlton in the 1970s.

Is it a form of therapy, or what?

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 11:05 am

What’s land banking and constipated land policy have to do with a guy who’s been screwed over by you and the rest of the left, you freaking moron.

“The left”. Lol. Anyone who opposes corporate fascism and regulated theft is “left”. You are so dim, you are sounding like mOron.

Because restricted supply of land has nothing whatsoever to do with property prices and the COL, rents , loan/mortgage costs , property rates, infrastructure- you fkg lard head. Get a refund on your Fin Minor, you’re hopeless. You are here as a mouthpiece for the likes of Joyce and his corp parasitic fascist thieving mates. The very same fascist grubs who assit with implementing ruinous ESG and green policies, took our money and supported state and Fed Govts thugs imprisoning us for 2 years while intimidating the population into the vaccines in their workplaces. You shill here daily for this bucket of executive effluent.

This is you showing your true colours. You should piss off to the Upper East Side with your cronies and not return. One less corporate shill is always welcome.

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 11:06 am

I see it, dover. All good.

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 11:07 am

Then why is the SMH running anti-China/Xi propaganda?

Dover, you’re obviously referring to this from Peter Hartcher.

It’s actually quite good as analysis and Hartcher, in the SMH’s new animal farm, is able to write it because some animals are more equal than others.

As an elder, Hartcher has been at Fairfax/Nine for decades and knows the parents of the shopfloor hotheads now running the joint, who dare not change a word of his copy.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 11:08 am

johanna
Sep 12, 2023 10:53 AM
We need to stop thinking that all our physiological processes are separated. It is one of the biggest stumbling blocks in understanding the relationship between brain and behavior, perhaps another example of the mereological fallacy.

Not sure that the distinctions are hard and fast in modern medicine, but I take your point. Apart from anything else, the discomfort caused by pain and illness can make some people cranky and/or irrational, as most of us know.

As for psychiatry – ai yi yi!

Johanna one heuristic to consider is that what is in the research literature can take a generation to filter down to the clinical community. There is wisdom in that filtering because it takes very long time to establish new concepts on a firm footing. In relation to this topic I had the advantage of long been interested in neuroimmunology. At the turn of the century though, the concept of brain being “immune privileged” very much held sway. You’re right, virtually no-one believes that now.

The problem for psychiatry is both cultural and conceptual. Psychiatry is peculiarly uncreative in its theoretical and clinical development. I don’t understand that. What I do understand is that because our understanding of the brain-behavior nexus is so parlous psychiatry is very much peering into the darkness.

Last night I received a few emails from an old friend who is a counsellor. He stated how often he is surprised to find that his patients sometimes tell him how even an off hand remark by him has enormously helped them. One example he gave was of a suicidal individual. For reasons unknown to him he invoked Berne’s Transactional Analysis idea and it radically transformed the patient’s disposition. There is an example of a clinician mystified why he dredged up a decades old conceptual system and even more mysteriously why it had such a profoundly beneficial effect on his patient.

MatrixTransform
September 12, 2023 11:08 am

explain how a firm , every firm in fact, attempting to maximise profits is exploitive

Syllogistic Fallacy

Apple exploits, and Apple is a firm, therefore all firms exploit?

Johnny Rotten
September 12, 2023 11:09 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Sep 12, 2023 9:38 AM

I remember when the shortened word “tranny” meant a Transistor Radio.

Ahhhhhh – Those Good Old Days…………………………..

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 11:10 am

No, they are a brand in the sense of being identifiable, a status marker, and the like.

Stop torturing language. At best, Mao suits are a product, not a brand.

No I don’t. I’m not arguing that all acts whose intent is to maximise profits are exploitative, I’m simply making the modest claim that some acts whose intent is maximisation are exploitative.

It’s not modest to describe one of the greatest brands the world has known an exploitive. One of the brands which people buy and show through surveys they’re very satisfied with their purchase.

According to the American Consumer Satisfaction Institute, the satisfaction rate is 81 percent for 5G iPhones and 78 percent for 4G models. While these results may sound lackluster when compared to what Apple said, this is the highest combined satisfaction rate ever achieved by a smartphone maker.

To offer some leeway to your assertion satisfied people can be paying a little over the vig. 🙂

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:11 am

johanna
Sep 12, 2023 11:03 AM

Just curious – why are people here so fascinated by the Ukraine/Russia war?

johanna,

The Nuland/Kagan/Biden – Burisma creation of the Ukaine/Russia War ultimately has the potential to escalate to Nuclear War & that concerns me.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 11:12 am

Roger
Sep 12, 2023 10:58 AM
Which is one reason why it is surprisingly stupid. The statement is probably for the domestic market.

And believing the Russian general populace is up for endless wars is also stupid.

A lot of it going about lately.

The Russian general populace has historically demonstrated a remarkable tolerance for appalling leadership, subjugation, and military ambition. There are people in the Kremlin who think they will continue to be so tolerant.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 12, 2023 11:12 am

Palaszczuk is back, playing the female card:

‘I am proof that the women & girls of this state can be anything they want.’

As long as she doesn’t try being anything her in NSW – our roads, hospitals, and police are for NSW people.

Dammit!

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2023 11:13 am

As predicted, Albanese is going to crash through or crash in Whitlamesque fashion.

Hmmm … how did that work out for The Great Man?

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 11:13 am

I find it interesting.

Yes,in all it’s ugliness.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:13 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2023 11:14 am

GWGB.

‘We’re Bankrupt’: Leaked Meeting Reveals Project Veritas On Verge of Collapse (11 Sep)

In the months since James O’Keefe’s dramatic departure from Project Veritas earlier this year, the conservative group has spiraled out of control as it weathers mass layoffs and board member resignations under the leadership of Hannah Giles, who took the helm in June. Mediaite obtained audio from an August 22 meeting between Giles, Project Veritas board president Joe Barton, and several staffers. At the meeting, held just days after 23 staffers were fired and two resigned, Giles can be heard explaining that the organization is in financial ruin.

Purest triple-distilled schadenfreude.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 11:18 am

Makka
Sep 12, 2023 11:05 AM

This is you showing your true colours.

JC would need a UTI, sepsis, and a brain tumour before he will criticize corporate greed and malfeasance.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:21 am

Gurner says unemployment needs to rise by 50pc

The current unemployment rate needs to rise by another 40 per cent to 50 per cent to boost the Australian economy’s productivity, Tim Gurner has said.

Gurner told the Summit that the cultural shift towards a more pro-employee climate had led to tradies pulling back on productivity.

“In my view, we need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around,” he said.

“When there’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around it’s a dynamic that has to change. We’ve got to kill that attitude.”

He said the growing rate of unemployment was promising as layoffs has started to translate to “less arrogance in the employment market”. He believed, however, that more layoffs were required for it to “cascade across the cost balance”.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 11:25 am

Indolent:

Sep 11, 2023 11:02 PM
The Frightened Left
Weaponizing impeachment is just one many precedents that Leftists now would not wish to have applied to themselves

The Democrats have just painted themselves into a corner – something the saner/cunning voices in the Party were warning them about.
Impeachment and cheating at the polls is a two way street and when they win an election by using these weapons, they expose themselves to retaliation by their enemies using the very same weapons.
Too late for regrets by the Left. They dug themselves into this mess and the cave in will bury them and all their works.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 12, 2023 11:25 am

The term for Russian equipment is ” Ivanproof”.
Can it be operated by a poorly motivated conscript?
Does it contain anything easily removable they can be traded for alcohol?
If Ivan tries to break it to get out of work will that be more trouble than its worth?

It’s lucky they were nobbled by poor maintenance & logistics right from the start, as well as apparently a massive underestimation of troop carried AA and AT missiles

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 11:28 am

The term for Russian equipment is ” Ivanproof”.

The Australian equivalent is “Soldier-proof.”

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 11:28 am

Hmmm … how did that work out for The Great Man?

Vive la revolucion, Humphrey.

For an old revolutionary like Uncle Luigi, the warm inner glow of doctrinal purity is everything, even as the flames of Hell consume you.

As the caucus’s second choice after Bill Shorten flamed out in 2019, Elbow obviously wants it all to end in a Whitlam-esque swan dive into Hades a la Julia Gillard.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 12, 2023 11:32 am

If you transition all of your problems will be fixed

What does your tattoo say?
Two minutes on, I doubt transitioning will fix any of her problems.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 11:34 am

Another reason I’m suspicious of China commentary in the West. It seems entirely curated.

I’ve found that apart from speaking with people with family back in China there are two key sources to see what “the message” is from China.

First is the Global Times which China uses to telegraph its message to the rest of the world.
The other is the Peoples Daily Chinese edition (which is different to what you access from outside China) which is what China telegraphs its message to the Chinese people.
Bill Bishop has weekly & monthly summaries of the Peoples Daily and now more providers are doing the same.

When it comes to anything on the economics front, the guys at UBS seem to have the best read.
Zoltan from Credit Suisse used to be great too but he’s now on gardening leave.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 11:36 am

Johanna & Dot:

Why the CPI is a load of crap example number 346,878. The article compares the prices for the famous Coles ‘fed a family for $10 or less per meal’ campaign in 2017 with the cost of the same ingredients today.

It’s incredible we allow this to happen.

We’re not allowing this to happen – it’s being imposed on us by the scam artists who are laughing at us as they plunder the treasury.
And they’ll keep doing it until we discourage this behaviour.
“I think I hear the sounds of the tumbrils wheels on the cobblestones.”
– attributed to a shortarse Frenchman once a upon a time.

C.L.
C.L.
September 12, 2023 11:36 am

The Democrats have just painted themselves into a corner – something the saner/cunning voices in the Party were warning them about.
Impeachment and cheating at the polls is a two way street and when they win an election by using these weapons, they expose themselves to retaliation by their enemies using the very same weapons.
Too late for regrets by the Left. They dug themselves into this mess and the cave in will bury them and all their works.

No, I’m afraid we’re well passed that. When and if the Republicans do what Democrats have done, they will be arrested for it. This is no longer about hypocrisy or what goes around, comes around. This is about hierarchy.

Makka
Makka
September 12, 2023 11:43 am

This is about hierarchy.

It can work CL, IF Trump’s GOP cleans out then takes full and deep control of the US thug institutions: CIA, FBI, IRS, Borders, Judiciary, Defence. He is the only candidate at present who could do it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2023 11:43 am

Does it contain anything easily removable they can be traded for alcohol?

Heh, we should ask the IRA about that.

Weapons from ‘Ukrainian Frontline’ Reportedly Seized by Police from ‘New IRA’ Terrorists in Northern Ireland (10 Sep)

The New Irish Republican Army (NIRA) is believed to have acquired Russian military grenades that “may have been stolen from Ukraine front line,” police sources told the Belfast Telegraph.

The Terrorism Investigation Unit of the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) on Thursday conducted raids against suspected terrorist cells in the city of Derry and the town of Strabane that uncovered two military hand grenades, a handgun, over 50 rounds of ammunition, and over a kilogram of plastic explosives.

Lots of the good stuff from both sides is sprouting legs and wandering off. Should keep the usual suspects in weapons and ammo for the next couple decades. The Taliban have been selling off their windfall too.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 11:46 am

Feelthebern:

My social media feeds are promoting girls in the traditional dirndl.
You look at Oktoberfest prices in Sydney & the algorithm takes over.

Same here! Except I’ve never looked at beer prices.
Obviously if you are male and drink beer, you must be single. So who drew up the algorithm? A frustrated dyke looking for a sperm donor?

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2023 11:47 am

Just curious – why are people here so fascinated by the Ukraine/Russia war?

Because, as those of us who read history know….. ‘from little things, big things grow.. ‘ …. even a world away, the conflict is affecting our politics, and our prices… should it metastasise, this effect will grow…

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:53 am

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flyingduk
Sep 12, 2023 11:47 AM

Just curious – why are people here so fascinated by the Ukraine/Russia war?

Because, as those of us who read history know….. ‘from little things, big things grow.. ‘ …. even a world away, the conflict is affecting our politics, and our prices… should it metastasise, this effect will grow…

The start of World War I, the so-called “Great War” of 1914 to 1918, was triggered when a teenage Serbian revolutionary shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the presumptive heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife Sophie on their visit to the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 12, 2023 11:54 am

In Alice.

This bushfire 500km north is a bit more pissweak than I thought. It’s only three times the size of the ACT at present, although a wind change or two later today will stir it up a bit.

johanna
johanna
September 12, 2023 11:54 am

The problem for psychiatry is both cultural and conceptual. Psychiatry is peculiarly uncreative in its theoretical and clinical development. I don’t understand that. What I do understand is that because our understanding of the brain-behavior nexus is so parlous psychiatry is very much peering into the darkness.

Psychiatry has a multitude of problems, not least that it is culturally based in western Europe.

In the post war period, we got a lot of Yugoslav migrants, and a disproprotionate number of them were involved in very violent crimes, including murder. A lot of them were diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.

Much like the Muslims today, their cultural drivers were medicalised.

I have always wondered what modern psychiatrists (especially the Freudians) would make of India.

One of my favourite books (by Murray Lawrence) about India describes a man who spends his days rolling up and down a particular street. When asked, the locals say ‘yes, he is the rolling upwards and downwards man’ with no further comment.

The book is replete with similar examples.

I don’t think that psychiatry is a dead end, but they really need to lift their game. Freudians and even Jungians pandering to rich people in New York is hardly advancing science.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:56 am

Shanksville, U.S.A.

The two decades since the 9/11 attacks have revealed that the American spirit is not completely gone in the heartland.

Instead of attending the commemorative observances at any of the three sites where the 9/11 terror attacks took place, President Joe Biden will be in Alaska on September 11 this year. It is the first time an American president will not appear at the locations of the largest terrorist assault in American history.

All the American Shanksvilles

Shanksville represents the American heartland, the common people of this country. It speaks to their common values; the unapologetic way they evince a love of the traditions of their families, their regions, and their country; and their disinterest in the jet-setting, cosmopolitan life embraced in the places of political and cultural power and preference for the simple mores and beliefs that have been in place since our country’s beginning (and even earlier).

Above all, the people in Shanksville, and those in myriad other places, do not apologize for believing that this material life is not the only, or even the most important, one and that the traditional moral codes handed down for generations are the means to attain that more important spiritual life, their very lifeblood. Those people desire nothing more than to protect and propagate that faith, which is disdained and often outright despised in the cities.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 11:58 am

Dot:
Now look at that graph over the employment span of someone who has just retired:
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/money-supply-m0
We haven’t even begun to be fleeced.
Obviously the government hasn’t worked out that a sheep only gets shorn once a year, not each week.
Shocking/Not Shocking?
Try horrific. We haven’t even started to get used to this.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 11:59 am

ABC Q+A host Patricia Karvelas shocked by MPs’ Qantas admission

Q+A host Patricia Karvelas was shocked by a Qantas admission from Aussie MPs on the panel and stepped in when one tried to brush it off.

Moments after laying into Qantas, a panel of Australian MPs have had to raise their hands confessing they are members of the invite-only Qantas Chairman’s Lounge.

Agriculture Minister Murray Watt, Nationals MP Kevin Hogan and Independent MP Kylea Tink appeared on ABC’s Q+A program on Monday, alongside former NSW premier and high commissioner to India Barry O’Farrell and writer and youth advocate Yasmin Poole.

Q+A host Patricia Karvelas gasped as four out of five revealed their memberships to the exclusive lounge when asked.

Ms Poole, who said she paid $4000 for a return ticket from the UK to Australia, was the only panellist who didn’t raise their hand.

Defending her membership, Ms Tink quickly said: “But I’ve got to say, a free drink and some stale peanuts is not going to stop me from calling them out when the behaviour is wrong.”

Ms Karvelas replied: “Oh Kylea, there’s good stuff there. It’s better than stale peanuts.”

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
September 12, 2023 12:00 pm

As predicted, Albanese is going to crash through or crash in Whitlamesque fashion.

My father voted for Labor led by Whitlam in 1972. “Biggest mistake of my life” he has since lamented. His one and only time voting for Labor.

I thought the Voice would get 40% yes in Qld some weeks ago. I am now revising my prediction down to 35% yes.

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2023 12:06 pm

We haven’t even started to get used to this.

Lay on your back and become one with the pineapple.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 12:07 pm

Feelthebern:

Glenn Greenwald has just out a subscriber email that has reminded me of something.
His partner died in May after being in hospital for the better part of a year with what originated as a UTI.

What the Hell did he expect with the homosexual lifestyle?
When you spend a – short – lifetime indulging in all sorts of weird sexual practises, it takes its toll.
And they can’t say they weren’t warned.
No bloody sympathy from me.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 12:11 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 12:12 pm

Dot
Sep 12, 2023 12:06 PM

We haven’t even started to get used to this.

Lay on your back and become one with the pineapple.

Dot,

I thought it was “Sit on a Pineapple”

Warning Bit Crude

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 12:18 pm

“The left”. Lol. Anyone who opposes corporate fascism and regulated theft is “left”. You are so dim, you are sounding like mOron.

Shoot me if I ever sound like you. At least Fatboy knows full well he’s a leftwing troll, whereas you’re bumbling around in a daze, not realizing you share the same podium.

Because restricted supply of land has nothing whatsoever to do with property prices and the COL, rents , loan/mortgage costs , property rates, infrastructure- you lard head.

Of course it does. It’s how you’re associating what’s happened with “the little queer” (as you referred to him) that’s laughable. That’s what left-wing trolls do. They associate matters or events that have no identifiable similarities and pretend they’re smart because they’ve found two pieces of a puzzle that don’t really fit together. That’s exactly what you’re, you cretin.

Get a refund on your Fin Minor, you’re hopeless.

That’s interesting because a few years ago, you were boasting to us how your kid was accepted into a high-end university and demonstrated how proud you were. Do you denigrate her degree too, or are you just selective in your acts of denigration?

You are here as a mouthpiece for the likes of Joyce and his corp parasitic fascist thieving mates. The very same fascist grubs who took our money and supported state and Fed Govts thugs imprisoning us for 2 years while intimidating the population into the vaccines in their workplaces.

Every single large firm—BHP, Rio, Coles, or business owner, large or small—would love for the government or state to create a monopoly environment for them. Some even canvass for that, such as corn and sugar farmers in the US. Every single event that reduces competition is a decision made by the state. So blame the state, not commerce, as everyone would want to increase their profit margins however they can.

But forgive me for pointing this out. You’re a protectionist, having said many times that you favor tariffs and subsidies. That’s corporate fascism, you dodo brain! What you’ve advocated in the past is exactly what you’re now critical of. At some stage, you really need to get a good look at yourself in the mirror.

This is you showing your true colors. You should fuck off to the Upper East Side and not return.

I hope I’m showing my true colors, and yes, we’re heading back “to the Upper Eastside in November for Thanksgiving on Qantas.

One less corporate shill is always welcome.

My argument yesterday began with Old China and then several Jumping Marys who ran with the unjustified accusation that Joyce (you know, the “little queer”) and Q had committed fraud. My point was that we can’t know this by simply looking at one-sided arguments, especially by relying on that deplorable organization (ACCC). Peter Gr. subsequently put up an article by Terry McCrann, which showed the entire amount of money left un-refunded was a huge $10 million, and as McCrann says, even that is in dispute.

One more thing: as a protectionist imbecile, you haven’t even made the case against Qatar Airways, which even to a free trader like me has me pondering. Middle East airlines such as Qatar and Etihad Airways are heavily fuel-subsidized by the states where they’re domiciled. I would have thought to a hyper-protectionist hi-hi wage goon like yourself that would be problematic. I see it’s not. Now bugger off and stop wasting everyone’s time with emotive, incoherent swill.

As well as massive fuel subsidies are able to ride off the state’s back in terms of favorable credit terms.

Emirates & Qatar are both effectively state owned – Emirates are owned by a state investment fund and Qatar are officially state owned

To that extent they will receive state subsidies to a degree whether in the form of direct payments or being able to benefit from lines of credit, purchasing terms etc that are accessible on the back of having a close link to the state….

and

Fossil fuel subsidies in Middle East nearly doubled since 2020, says IMF
The fund said that fossil fuel companies globally benefited from $13 million in subsidies per minute last year.

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/08/fossil-fuel-subsidies-middle-east-nearly-doubled-2020-says-imf#ixzz8D3iS1unx

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 12:20 pm

Daily Mail.

Yes campaigner Thomas Mayo slams No advocate Ben Abbatangelo over Indigenous Voice to Parliament stance

Yes campaigner Thomas Mayo slams Indigenous activist
Ben Abbatangelo believes the Voice doesn’t go far enough
Mr Mayo described the ‘progressive’ No camp as ‘radical’

Fight, you bastards, fight! I hate peace!

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 12:20 pm

calli

Sep 12, 2023 8:09 AM
Doctors here might have more info, but I believe UTIs can be a bit trickier for men for the obvious plumbing reasons.

I understood that men had lesser chances of UTI’s due to the comparative length of their urethras. However if a bloke keeps ramming his dick into a plug of shit, some will be forced into his urethra and hence his bladder.
(Apologies for the graphics, but it’s about time we detailed the truths about the homosexual lifestyle. It has risks – major ones.)

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 12:23 pm

johanna
Sep 12, 2023 11:54 AM
The problem for psychiatry is both cultural and conceptual. Psychiatry is peculiarly uncreative in its theoretical and clinical development. I don’t understand that. What I do understand is that because our understanding of the brain-behavior nexus is so parlous psychiatry is very much peering into the darkness.

Psychiatry has a multitude of problems, not least that it is culturally based in western Europe.

I don’t think that psychiatry is a dead end, but they really need to lift their game. Freudians and even Jungians pandering to rich people in New York is hardly advancing science.

You make a very good point regarding the cultural bias of psychiatry. The same problem exists in psychology. Just yesterday I finished reading a book about the development of anthropology by Boaz and his ilk. Their emphasis was about highlighting how different cultures produce different behaviors that psychiatry would regard as pathological.

Freud and Jung were just convincing story tellers. I still haven’t fully grasped the epistemic challenge of psychology but my impression is that so much research into human behavior is at the wrong level of analysis. Another issue for me is that I believe most people completely misunderstood what Skinner was on about. He didn’t think behavior can be reduced to stimulus-response models, he didn’t think we are blank states. What he was trying to do was not create a model of behavior but a philosophy of psychology from which a model of behavior will eventually emerge. Many disagree with me. I’m too far away from it all now to debate the issue.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 12:23 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:24 pm

Aaron Rodgers suffers an ankle injury and is carted off in the first quarter of his two year $US75mill guaranteed deal.
Oh boy.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 12, 2023 12:25 pm

Africans apparently invented shoes 150,000 years ago.

Ancient shoes: Tracks on a South African beach offer oldest evidence yet of human footwear (Phys.org)

Over the past 15 years we have identified more than 350 vertebrate tracksites along the Cape coast. These include a number of tracks made by humans who were clearly walking or jogging barefoot, as evidenced by toe impressions. But we also noticed similar trackways, seemingly well preserved, that contained no toe impressions. Realizing, too, that very little research has been done about when humans first fashioned footwear, we decided to investigate further. … Most of the tracksites we have found are between about 70,000 years and 150,000 years in age, so that is the time period we focused on.

Boots are made for walking, and humans certainly got their walking boots on around about that time. And conquered the world.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2023 12:26 pm

Cultural elites offer discounts to woo First Nations crowds

Great marketing/free advertising ploy .. offering discounts to folk you know won’t be taking them up ………!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 12, 2023 12:26 pm

but it’s about time we detailed the truths about the homosexual lifestyle. It has risks – major ones.)

Exactly what Latham did. Which upset the petal poof in NSW

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:26 pm

development of anthropology by Boaz

John H, what’s the name of the book.
My kindle awaits.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Why American AirPower is the key to saving Taiwan

This in part addresses the simulations I mentioned. He makes an interesting comment: it will be a victory that doesn’t feel like a victory. The USA will win but both the USA and China will experience huge losses.

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 12:29 pm

Thanks for the info re UTIs and blokes Duk and Bob. 😀

I was probably confusing the issue with enlarged prostate.

John H.
John H.
September 12, 2023 12:31 pm

feelthebern
Sep 12, 2023 12:26 PM
development of anthropology by Boaz

John H, what’s the name of the book.
My kindle awaits.

The Reinvention of Humanity, Charles King. 2019

Too rambling for my liking, too much about the personal lives.

C.L.
C.L.
September 12, 2023 12:31 pm

that is the time period we focused on

Pet hate. There is no other kind of period.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 12:32 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

Sep 12, 2023 8:38 AM
A whole generation of kids robbed of not just their childhood but their future as adults: as Hairy often notes about some of the leftist’s most outrageous cruelties and thievery – all done in plain sight.

People vote in Socialists who only ever produce mounds of skulls, and they are surprised at… mounds of skulls?
The fact they are only little piles at the moment is no guarantee they won’t get bigger.

johanna
johanna
September 12, 2023 12:32 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Sep 12, 2023 12:23 PM

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/09/newborn-being-given-welcome-to-country.html

Words fail me, they honestly fvcking do!

Another child being born at the same time is somehow inferior and not worthy?

It really is time to stomp, hard, on this racist nonsense.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 12:33 pm

Victoria ranked worst state to be a property investor as one in four Melbourne landlords sell home in past year

A quarter of Melbourne property investors sold at least one rental home in the past year as the city plunged from the nation’s second most popular state capital for landlords to second last.

The stats were revealed in the annual Property Investment Professionals of Australia survey, released Tuesday, which also estimated 217,000 investment homes have been sold off nationwide across the past year in a blow to Australian tenants.

The organisation now believes up to 38 per cent of investors are planning to sell a home in the next 12 months — double the figure predicted in 2022.

PIPA chair Nicola McDougall said with investors hit hard by interest rate hikes the number considering selling in the next year was at “scary” levels.

“A lot of investors have been selling … and it would be lovely to see more of them back into the market,” Ms McDougall said.

“But I’m not expecting that in the current regimens in the country. Investors have been selling in great numbers because they feel they have lost control of their asset, and at the moment we are not seeing that they will come back to the market in the numbers that they should.”

Nationwide, only 55 per cent of investors are considering buying in the next year, down from 62 per cent in 2021.

The survey of 1724 investors nationwide, including 538 in Victoria, found increased property taxes were the biggest motivation to sell for investors and had been a factor in 47 per cent of the sales nationwide.

This was followed by changes to tenancy legislation, 43 per cent, and rising loan repayment costs, 40.1 per cent.

In 2017 almost a third of investors felt Melbourne was the nation’s second best place to buy, behind only Brisbane. It has now declined to just 4 per cent, with only Hobart ranked lower as a state capital.

Property Investors Council of Australia director Ben Kingsley said the Victorian government should be “very worried” investors now feel the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze”.

“It’s very clear investors are ranking Victoria as the worst place to invest currently,” Mr Kingsley said.

“It will send investors to other states or to avoid property as an asset. And that’s very concerning for future rental supply.”

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 12:35 pm

For example, when I spent five days in hospital recently, drugged to the eyeballs with Endone, I didn’t notice that I couldn’t smoke, even though I’ve been doing at least a pack a day for more than 50 years.

20 or the 25 pack? 20 is okay but 25 is far, far too many. -:) That’s really impressive. Where as I’m a puny 3 or 4 day person.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 12:35 pm

Real time energy dashboard

You’re seeing in real time the dashboard for our King Island renewable energy solution. It is based on contributions from wind and solar and the enabling technologies that improve system security and reliability, such as battery, dynamic resister, flywheel and demand side management.

Kneel
Kneel
September 12, 2023 12:38 pm

“Cacio e Pepe is actually just Parmesan or Pecorino tossed through the drained pasta with a splash of good olive oil, then grinding on as much Black Pepper as you enjoy. No sauce.”

A simple, quick and tasty pasta sauce can be made by lightly frying (more “heating” than “frying”) anchovies in olive oil until they “melt” or dissolve, then add thinly sliced garlic, whole olives (pitted or not as you prefer), capers and chopped chilies (if you don’t mind them) . Cook for 30 seconds or so, then add the pasta and cook for another 30 seconds while stirring to coat all the pasta and allow it to “soak up” the now flavoured oil.
Very strong flavours, but really, really good and really quick – If you use fresh or pre-cooked pasta, this can be ready in under 10 minutes.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:39 pm

Every September 11, someone in the NY comedy scene recounts the Louis J Gomez story.
After the second plane hit, he took the view that it was all over & he wanted off the island.
He didn’t trust driving or training out of Manhattan so he got in his roller blading gear which was fluro yellow & started roller blading to Jersey.
He remembers blading across the George Washington bridge & seeing all the the fire engines driving the other way.
He’s probably embellishing the story but he reckons he saw guys in the trucks saying WTF as they saw him roller blading by.

“Punchline” one (as he tells it) is that seeing him was one of the last things some of those guys saw before they died.

Punchline two is if you see a Puerto Rican roller blading in the opposite direction you are going, do a 180 & follow them out of there.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:39 pm

And yes, I tell that story every September 11.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 12, 2023 12:40 pm

The Intrepid Tours group filling our restaurant the other night. Whiny, entitled and demanding boomers. Not at all intrepid. Some people should stay home.

Never have taken a “group tour” and not sure they’re a good idea.

Mrs TE did Top Deck in several decades back and tells the story of selling two pairs of jeans in the USSR for a good profit.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:43 pm

Never have taken a “group tour” and not sure they’re a good idea.

Swingers, no doubt.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:44 pm

Thank John H.
I’ll read a couple of reviews to see if I want to download.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:45 pm

How can people have enough time to smoke a pack a day?

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 12:49 pm

How can people have enough time to smoke a pack a day?

Nicotine & Coffee in the morning? Dude, you’re not living. You have to live!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 12:50 pm

Top Ender
Sep 12, 2023 12:40 PM

The Intrepid Tours group filling our restaurant the other night. Whiny, entitled and demanding boomers. Not at all intrepid. Some people should stay home.

Never have taken a “group tour” and not sure they’re a good idea.

Top Ender,

Wife does not like my driving, especially in Europe, so since 2012 have taken Bus Tours in Europe and all have been excellent

Trip a Deal since 2018 have been amazing value

16 Days May-June this year Milan, Venice, Switzerland Germany, Milan, Piedmont Turin – all chauffered by Son

Wife & SIL completed Trip a Deal to Japan in August – 34 Red Bus & 36 Bule Bus – all Aussies and great company according to both – Modern Hotels has seen more of Japan than my 50 trips there

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 12:56 pm

JC
Sep 12, 2023 12:49 PM

How can people have enough time to smoke a pack a day?

Nicotine & Coffee in the morning? Dude, you’re not living. You have to live!

JC,

you are obviously aiming to emulate Churchill dead at 90

The Good Life

Smoking And Drinking Like Churchill – Winston Churchill had a legendary love of cigars and drinks.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:57 pm

I know a couple who did a Captains Choice tour in Africa a million years ago.
I can’t remember the country but one night they were woken in the middle of the night & told they were leaving in an hour.
Storm in a tea cup but there were riots & the tour operators got them to their chartered plane & out of there quick smart.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 12:57 pm

Dover.

I have a response to the Macaroni in moderation?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 12:58 pm

At your peak JC, how many cigarillos were you a day?

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:00 pm

JC,

you are obviously aiming to emulate Churchill dead at 90

Ozzie, cigar smokers aren’t real smokers – just pretend. You can’t inhale cigar smoke into your lungs unless you want to feel really sick. No respect for cigar smokers who are just mouth smokers 🙂

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 12, 2023 1:03 pm

Langton brands no voters as racist and stupid

Joe Kelly

Prominent Indigenous campaigner for the voice to parliament Professor Marcia Langton, has accused no voters of opposing the referendum because of “base racism” or “sheer stupidity” at a forum in Bunbury in South West WA.

The comments were splashed on the front page of the Bunbury Herald on Tuesday, with Professor Langton reported as telling the forum – hosted by Edith Cowan University on Sunday – that Australians needed to apply greater scrutiny to claims made by the no campaign.

“Every time the no cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism – I’m sorry to say that’s where it lands – or sheer stupidity,” Professor Langton said.

“If you look at any reputable fact-checker, every one of them says the no case is substantially false. They are lying to you.”

“I’ve asked the no voters, what would you propose is a better option? What are we to do? Go on as we are with no change. I’ve not heard any of them come up with a solution that would work themselves.”

The Bunbury Herald reported that the forum was attended by a crowd of about 100 people at the ECU South West campus and that Professor Langton was joined by Labor state MP and Regional Development Minister Don Punch.

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Price – a leading campaigner for the no case – said the comments provided an “insight into the mindset and agenda of the Aboriginal activists pushing the divisive voice.”

She warned the remarks from Professor Langton would be highly offensive to about half the nation.

“Whichever way the referendum goes, the result looks like it will be extremely close and any suggestion no voters who are unpersuaded by their proposed voice are siding with racism or stupidity is highly offensive to at least half the country.”

Oz

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 1:04 pm

JC
Sep 12, 2023 1:00 PM

JC,

you are obviously aiming to emulate Churchill dead at 90

Ozzie, cigar smokers aren’t real smokers – just pretend. You can’t inhale cigar smoke into your lungs unless you want to feel really sick. No respect for cigar smokers who are just mouth smokers ?

JC,

as a non-smoker I did not know that – from Cat Blog, you live & learn everyday – expands one’s horizons

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 1:06 pm

Ozzie, cigar smokers aren’t real smokers – just pretend. You can’t inhale cigar smoke into your lungs unless you want to feel really sick. No respect for cigar smokers who are just mouth smokers ?

Correct, JC.

Meanwhile back in real smokerland, 20 a day is your basic habit and you looked a little weirdly at people who smoked only 10 — like there must be something wrong with them.

God, I still miss it — just not the coughing.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:06 pm

feelthebern
Sep 12, 2023 12:58 PM

At your peak JC, how many cigarillos were you a day?

Dude, I got to chain smoking, which was about a pack and 1/2 when I hit 30 and then I said, no this is too much of a good thing and dropped it down to about 20. Don’t forget that in those days you could smoke in the trading room. It was about when I turned 45 that I really dropped it to 5 a day.

In the 90s, they began to impose regs against smoking in NYC. Of course, they had to be the first, but I/we just continuing puffing away. Some arsehole notified city ordinance who came around and the firm was fined 10K. We then began to puff in the stairwell.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 1:07 pm

I have a lot of respect for the kickers in the NFL.
Short run up.
Monsters trying to break you in half.
Yet they still kick goals.

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 12, 2023 1:10 pm

H B Bear
Sep 12, 2023 11:13 AM
As predicted, Albanese is going to crash through or crash in Whitlamesque fashion.

Hmmm … how did that work out for The Great Man?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 1:10 pm

Smoking aint for me.
The odd cigar every blue moon.
Cigarettes if I’m on a bender, which is very rare these days.
It’s just too inconvenient.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 12, 2023 1:11 pm

Snouts in!

The High Court has revealed every current judge is a member of Qantas’ secretive Chairman’s Lounge, an invitation-only club that offers its members free champagne, steak dinners and cocktails on demand.

As the High Court prepares to hand down its judgment in a landmark case regarding the long-running battle between Qantas and the Transport Workers’ Union (TWU) over the sacking of 1,700 ground staff at the height of the pandemic, a spokesman has confirmed the issue was raised and cleared with the parties involved.

Described as “the most exclusive club in the country” the invitation only airport club is famed as part of Qantas’ “soft power” diplomacy with political leaders, judges, current and former prime ministers and senior public servants invited to enter the door discretely marked “private” at the Qantas lounge.

It is believed some federal court judges are also members.

The Federal Court is set to separately consider the ACCC’s claim that Qantas continued selling tickets to 8,000 “ghost flights” even after they had been cancelled.

A spokesperson for the High Court said the parties involved in the current matter were all aware of the Chairman’s club membership and “no objection was raised”.

“Each of the Justices is a member of the Chairman’s Lounge,’’ the spokesperson said.

“The parties to the Qantas matter presently before the Court (and in which judgment is being delivered to tomorrow) were informed of this fact prior to the hearing and no objection was raised.

“Membership is declared on the Justices’ register of gifts (they are required to declare gifts over $200).”

Separate to the High Court controversy, one legal source described the membership of the Qantas Club by multiple members of the judiciary as “a ticking time bomb” that should be publicly declared.

Another senior lawyer speculated that it had not been raised as an issue because membership of the exclusive club by judges was “considered natural like oxygen”.

Speaking generally about the issue, former Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy KC said judges should always declare such membership and can’t just “shove it under the carpet”.

“I personally think it should be declared if you’re in a case involving Qantas and you’re the recipient of benefits such as other exclusive membership offered by Qantas,’’ he told news.com.au.

“I would think that as a matter of propriety, a judge should declare that membership and have it out in the open. I can’t imagine that the people in the litigation would ask the judges to disqualify themselves, but I think it should be out in the open.”

“If you own shares in the company it’s the same sort of thing although shares are a more substantial financial involvement. You can’t just shove it under the carpet.

“I don’t imagine a litigant would actually take that point, unless they were insane. I think practically it’s not going to make a difference. But in theory, it’s the same problem as owning shares in a company that’s before you as a litigant.”

Geoffrey Watson SC, a former counsel assisting ICAC and the Police Integrity Commission and a Lecturer in Ethics, Law and Justice at the University of Technology Sydney, said it should be declared as the High Court justices have declared it.

“It would be better if a judge who received any kind of gift from an outside source declared that so that it was transparent,’’ he said.

“If it was the case that the giver was a litigant or potential litigant, then of course it should be declared. The gift in this instance is from a known repeated litigant in the federal court system. So, of course, it should be declared.”

The food on offer in the Chairman’s Lounge for free for judges and politicians and invited CEOs include a free steak dinner and a gin and tonic and salt and pepper squid.

“Part of the wankiness, as well as the secret doors, is the fact you could ask for absolutely anything, even if it’s not on the menu, and it will be cooked pretty quickly, just for you,” one regular visitor told the Australian Financial Review.

Former Qantas Group chief executive Alan Joyce has described the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge as “probably the most exclusive club in the country”, Membership is “strictly confidential.”

Membership can sometimes confer on travellers flight upgrades, including being upgraded to business class without having to pay for frequent flyer points.

News.com.au is not aware whether or not any judges have been offered free flight upgrades or not and does not suggest they were, only that Chairman’s Club members have been offered upgrades in the past.

Membership of the Chairman’s Lounge is for a period of two years, renewed entirely at Qantas’ discretion. No fees are charged and your partner, or another guest, is allowed in with you and no correspondence will be entered into over disputes.

The Federal Court’s gifts and benefits register for public servants also lists Qantas Chairman’s Lounge membership of several public servants including CEO and Principal Registrar David Pringle.

It also declares Chairman’s Club membership for the President of the National Native Title Tribunal.

This register is published in accordance with the Australian Public Service Commission’s Guidance for Agency Heads – Gifts and Benefits.

More at the Daily Tele

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:16 pm

It’s just too inconvenient.

You can’t smoke immediately outside of an office building now in NY. There’s also a law that you can’t smoke in Central Park with a threat of a large fine. This shit is inhuman.

Our building has a reg that apartment owners will be fined US$500 bucks if you’re caught smoking outside, but around the building perimeter. They impose the fine on the monthly maintenance and will leave it there gathering interest if you don’t cough up until you do. (No pun)

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 12, 2023 1:19 pm

Don’t mind me. I’ve got this bad habit of hitting enter (or shift) and post the comment before I’ve made it… and on second thoughts it looks better as a no comment.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 1:19 pm

I was at Bondi last summer at dawn one day & some moron was walking along smoking.
What kind of chump goes to the beach at dawn just to have a dart.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:24 pm

What kind of chump goes to the beach at dawn just to have a dart.

Me! Sounds like heaven.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 1:25 pm

Black Ball:

It seems we’ve gone from “The aboriginal population is primitive and unable to think rationally about things,” which is a sentiment to be denounced, especially in academia, and progressed to “We must treat the aboriginal population as if it were primitive and unable to think rationally about things.” Which, apparently, is something to be applauded. Especially in academia.

If it were to be reworded as:

“The aboriginal culture is primitive and unable to think rationally about things,”

Then it would be true. If a culture is unable to advance for 40k years – even when it is exposed to another culture that offers advancement, then it is failing its people and needs to be junked so that they are not forced to abandon babies and the elderly when times get tough.

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 1:28 pm

My new favourite smoking story is that of Tim Blair, who now lives in the Victorian bush even though he’s still the No.1 columnist at the Sydney Daily Telegraph (he doesn’t need to visit the office; he just needs a good internet connection).

Like many journos his age (50s), Blair was a pack-a-day man and thought he needed the nicotine to think clearly and write well.

A few months ago, he had a heart attack and had to give up the gaspers if he wanted to stay on this earth.

Thing is that giving up the smokes has made no difference to the quality of his work: he still thinks acutely and is able to turn that into high-quality writing — it’s just no longer fuelled by his nicotine addiction.

I’m grateful to the Cats who continue to liberate his writing from the News Corp paywall.

Vicki
Vicki
September 12, 2023 1:28 pm

Prominent Indigenous campaigner for the voice to parliament Professor Marcia Langton, has accused no voters of opposing the referendum because of “base racism” or “sheer stupidity” at a forum in Bunbury in South West WA.

Whilst it is a bit facile to judge a person on their appearance, Langton’s perpetually sour face suggests a lot about her. Bad life experiences don’t have to disfigure your facial expressions & there are nearly always relationships that transform your life and the manner you relate to others. This woman commands a significant salary well beyond anything that could be imagined by the miserable inhabitants of many of the dysfunctional communities. She has no bl–dy right to convey some sort of blighted existence.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:29 pm

Also Bern, you don’t know the dude’s home circumstances. He could be smoking there so his wife doesn’t see him sucking on a fag. Two plus years now and wifey has no idea. She threatened divorce if I ever smoked again after my little surgical mishap. She wouldn’t of course, but I couldn’t imagine living with the nagging, so I smoke when I’m out and she’s not around.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2023 1:29 pm

Never have taken a “group tour” and not sure they’re a good idea.

Youngest daughter did Europe with “Top Deck” back in 2017, 23 dayz, 12 countries ..
she luvved it ……….!

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:32 pm

Tom

Just recalling, didn’t Tim B have a significant bowel cancer issue about 15 odd years ago? I remember him writing about it and was stage 4. He’s a real survivor.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 12, 2023 1:33 pm

Watched my grandad slowly die from emphysema.
Cured for life.

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 1:34 pm

Just recalling, didn’t Tim B have a significant bowel cancer issue about 15 odd years ago?

Yep.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 1:37 pm

duncanm
Sep 12, 2023 9:17 AM

its crony capitalism, pure and simple.
With a seat at the government table, the big players can monopolise via government regulation – crushing the smaller players.

Don’t be bashful, Duncan. It’s Fascism – pure and simple.
Just another form of Communism – with Australian characteristics.

C.L.
C.L.
September 12, 2023 1:39 pm

Nat “King” Cole smoked 3+ packs of Kool a day.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 1:39 pm

lotocoti
Sep 12, 2023 9:20 AM

No-one evolved here.

For shame.
Denying they sprung, fully formed, from the land
is the epitome of racist, white, so-called science.

Don’t you mean:
For shame.
Denying they sprung, fully formed, from the bowels of the Rainbow Serpent
is the epitome of racist, white, so-called science

Morsie
Morsie
September 12, 2023 1:41 pm

Group tours,couple of our kids went on a cheap safari tour. Guards without guns,lions wandering around camp-site at night outside their tents.
Character building.

Vicki
Vicki
September 12, 2023 1:42 pm

Wife does not like my driving, especially in Europe, so since 2012 have taken Bus Tours in Europe and all have been excellent

I have to admit that, although my husband has driven our rental cars all over Europe, Pacific Island countries, the UK, the USA & a good part of the Middle East for all our adult life, I am now “over” self drive holidays. The traffic in big cities is abominable & the parking is almost non existent. Even small towns in some countries are metered.

However, although I have enjoyed the few group OS tours I have taken on my own, a recent group trip by the both of us to China was a nightmare. It consisted almost entirely of Canberra public servants “with attitude”. I will concede it was cheap – & that was why we chose it – too good to pass up, although we had been to China twice before. On the other hand, a group tour along the canals from Shanghai to Huangzhou which I took some years ago consisted a very companionable fellow travellers. But then it was a lot more expensive and through an upmarket travel agent. Maybe that is the secret.

shatterzzz
September 12, 2023 1:43 pm

Another senior lawyer speculated that it had not been raised as an issue because membership of the exclusive club by judges was “considered natural like oxygen”.

No one, regardless of position, who is employed and paid by the taxpayer should be entitled to any sort of “freebie” .. whether it be Chairmans Lounge, frequent flyer points or even a coffee at Maccas ..!
If you crave “freebies” then work for a private entity, who can give you whatever they feel like out of their profits …..!

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:44 pm

C.L.
Sep 12, 2023 1:39 PM

Nat “King” Cole smoked 3+ packs of Kool a day.

FMD.

Did you read about the uprising in the black community recently… this or last year. The smoke Nazis wanted to ban menthol cigs because they’re supposed to be much worse for you. Blacks called out a wacism and that was the end of that. Apparently they’re huge into the menthol.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 1:44 pm

JC
Sep 12, 2023 1:16 PM

It’s just too inconvenient.

You can’t smoke immediately outside of an office building now in NY. There’s also a law that you can’t smoke in Central Park with a threat of a large fine. This shit is inhuman

JC,

I assume by your comments you are in NYC at the Moment

What was the Problem Thursday Night at Newark Airport that they banned flights leaving their destination?

Youngsters with 3 kids on my FF Points trip once in a lifetime to America via AA to LAX – CLT – NYC (FF cheap way), sat on Ground at Charlotte from 8pm Thurs till 1230AM Friday, when I assume the Pilots ran out of time – changed CLT-PHL using AA App, as 200 people beseiging AA desk, later that day but bags went to Newark – had to book own Hotel Charlotte and own transport to Hotel & back to airport

Staying with friends in Princeton Junction and went up to NYC for Yankees game but Hail/Thunder & Lightning meant soaked to the bone and had to leave before 7 Innings entertainment – travelling back in Uber Youngest Daughter froze – kids able to borrow fresh clothes from the friends they were staying with

Good new is caught train to Manhattan & bags met them in Hotel so did not have to traispe them onto train & through streets

12th head back to LAX – Disneyland – have rented RV then RAV4 and camping Yosemite – LAs Vegas, Grand Canyon, West Coast – Home via QF 12

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:45 pm

ozzie.. no we’re back here in Oz.

C.L.
C.L.
September 12, 2023 1:49 pm

Yeah, JC – the black folk love Kool.

Strange cultural thing – possibly built on the brand name originally.

The equivalent in Australia were Alpine – which were considered totally gay.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 1:51 pm

JC
Sep 12, 2023 1:45 PM

ozzie.. no we’re back here in Oz.

OK thanks JC,

I was wondering what the problem was at Newark, as I was following kids on flightradar24 & flightaware and could not see a weather problem – checked ventusky etc re weather

Vicki
Vicki
September 12, 2023 1:52 pm

Group tours,couple of our kids went on a cheap safari tour. Guards without guns,lions wandering around camp-site at night outside their tents.
Character building.

Yep – Africa is the one place where we would not drive a rental, although I recall seeing some gung-ho Israelis self driving in Game parks.

Not that a driver is bomb-proof. Ours got our vehicle bogged in a Game Park in Shaba NP in Kenya at dusk. A root was wrapped onto our diff & there was no way we could dig it out. Had to be rescued by Kenyan army! And yes – we also had elephants wandering around camp at night. Husband got up for a pee & was amazed at how these huge animals could deftly step over tent ropes!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 12, 2023 1:52 pm

Prominent Indigenous campaigner for the voice to parliament Professor Marcia Langton, has accused no voters of opposing the referendum because of “base racism” or “sheer stupidity” at a forum in Bunbury in South West WA.

Do the words “Stick your referendum up your Khyber” mean a great deal?

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:53 pm

What was the Problem Thursday Night at Newark Airport that they banned flights leaving their destination?

Flying is a freaking mess everywhere. We had to wait 5 hours in Lisbon for a flight back to the US a few months ago. Airlines are chronically short of staff of every description. US airlines are paying up to $1 million salary for longer haul captains these days.

Ozzie, the COVID bullshit appears to have completely screwed up the world. So many things just don’t work anymore. You phone a call centre and the idiot on the other end is home with a kid screaming or dog barking in the background. Everything’s rooted. Incompetence rules, from the US president to the current Ausssie PM down.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 1:54 pm

I was wondering what the problem was at Newark,

The problem with Newark is Newark. 🙂

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 1:55 pm

CL, the Kool brand was also available in Australia in the ’60s and ’70s alongside Alpine, which my late mum smoked — and I stole plenty of.

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 1:55 pm

I’ve had a mixed bag with tour groups also. Best size – 10 to 12. Enough variety and you aren’t in each other’s pockets. Nice if you can get a mixed bag of Aussies, Americans and Canadians, usually jolly and generous, there for a good time.

Worst – another couple, chronic whingers, incapable of being pleased by anything. And tight as a fish’s fundament.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 1:58 pm

Wonderland

500,000 more tradies needed to meet 1.2m housing target

Australia will need 500,000 new tradies over the next five years if it is to reach the federal government’s target of 1.2 million new homes over that period.

“We will need around 500,000 entrances into the industry for an industry that currently employs 1.3 million people,” Master Builders chief executive Denita Wawn told The Australian Financial Review Property Summit.

Those 500,000 tradies, if found, would offset the 250,000 to 300,000 tradies who are expected to exit the industry over the next five years and provide additional manpower to build at a faster rate.

“The number – that’s massive. So how are we going to deal with that? We need to actually minimise those exits and keep people in the industry,” Wawn said.

“We also need to focus on skilled migration as well and all of that being wrapped up in terms of training. We also need to maintain quality standards while we’re doing all of this. That’s not an easy fix. And that’s even before we start looking at policy statements that may or may not assist or hinder the industry.”</em

Going by the number of Tradies in our area on Knock Down Rebuilds and extensive extensions – Rots O’ Ruck Charlie

Dot
Dot
September 12, 2023 1:59 pm

He could be smoking there so his wife doesn’t see him sucking on a fag.

Phrasing.

P
P
September 12, 2023 1:59 pm

The equivalent in Australia were Alpine

Salem in the 1950s.

Tom
Tom
September 12, 2023 2:00 pm

The problem with Newark is Newark.

JC, I’m guessing the distance and trip time from Manhattan is roughly the same for JFK and Newark Liberty airports. Which do you prefer?

Chris
Chris
September 12, 2023 2:02 pm

I was going to contribute praise for a tour group we went with – moderate level trekking with Peregrine Travel, but many years ago.
The best part was that we had great conversations with interesting people on the trips.

By contrast we had a car and driver for ourselves in southern India, mostly Kerala. Hardly spoke to anyone except each other in eight days.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 2:02 pm

JC Avatar
JC
Sep 12, 2023 1:54 PM

I was wondering what the problem was at Newark,

The problem with Newark is Newark. ?

I had heard that

Why Newark Is the Worst Major U.S. Airport – WSJ

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 2:03 pm

Lysander, since the amazingly amazing details about the nefarious “No” campaigner are locked away behind the paywall, I will treat the story with the caution it deserves.

Clearly the publication puts $$$ before the public interest, and its own spruiking of the Voice.

Lysander
Lysander
September 12, 2023 2:03 pm

For once I agree with Bolt…

Don’t call the mistake of calling the Voice’s failure Albo’s fault… this will just encourage them to try it again under a new (more erudite) leader.

Blame the reasons for its (current) failure on racism…. which it clearly is.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 12, 2023 2:03 pm

He could be smoking there so his wife doesn’t see him sucking on a fag.

Good point.
Smoking at the beach might be the only moment of peace the poor guy gets.
I retract my chump statement.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 2:04 pm

Tom

Newark is a hateful. It’s disgusting in every which way. It’s a slum airport and it makes you feel bad just walking through the shithole. I get angry just thinking about it. Distance wise it would be just a little longer than JFK I imagine, but you’d be really counting the yards.

Chris
Chris
September 12, 2023 2:05 pm

Best of all travel was mixing up self-managed with a bunch of cycling friends. Some togetherness, some socialising.

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 2:05 pm

Smoking at the beach might be the only moment of peace the poor guy gets.
I retract my chump statement.

LOL.

Lysander
Lysander
September 12, 2023 2:08 pm

Calli, here is the disinformation piece:

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the No campaign’s fear tactics have been exposed by revelations that have triggered a call for Opposition Leader Peter Dutton to condemn the campaign’s claims about reparations.

This masthead revealed on Tuesday that a top No campaigner had instructed volunteers to instil fear in voters’ minds, not to identify themselves upfront as No campaigners and to raise reports of financial compensation to Indigenous Australians if the Voice was set up.

Speaking to Labor colleagues on Tuesday, Albanese said the new information shone on a light on the true nature of the movement to defeat the referendum, which polls show is well ahead.

“The cynicism of the No campaign has been exposed in today’s papers,” Albanese said, according to a Labor source who provided details about the private briefing.

Albanese added the No campaign was focused on “promoting fear”, before attacking Dutton for walking out of the 2008 apology to the stolen generations.

Education Minister Jason Clare called the claim about compensation a “lie” and said it was “rubbish” to suggest the Voice would lead to compensation payments, something Albanese has previously ruled out.

“This is a sign of just how low the No campaign is willing to go,” Clare said at Parliament House on Tuesday.

“And I call on Peter Dutton today to condemn this. If he doesn’t, then he’s complicit in this lie.”

Nationals deputy leader Bridget McKenzie said it was wrong to claim the No campaign was lying because the government could not be sure the Voice would not lead to reparation payments.

“I’m a firm believer in reconciliation and recognition. But I am also a very respectful No to changing our Constitution to enshrine a Voice,” she said.

“Minister Clare, standing up here today, claiming he knows what the Voice will and won’t call for, how the Voice will and won’t behave, and insert itself into our political system, is pretty rich.”

Clare said the main falsehood was the claim being spread by No campaigners that the Voice was about compensation, an assertion he compared to Dutton’s warning in 2008 that the parliament’s apology to the stolen generations would lead to compensation payments of up to $10 billion.

Dutton made the warning about the $10 billion cost in January 2008 and apologised in February 2023 for abstaining from the apology in parliament.

“The Voice is an advisory committee, the Voice is about listening, the Voice is about making sure we make better decisions and get better results,” Clare said.

“The same thing happened during the apology – remember when Kevin Rudd made the apology to the stolen generations, Peter Dutton said then that it would cost Australians $10 billion. That was BS and so is this.”

In 2020, leading Voice campaigner and unionist Thomas Mayo suggested a Voice could help to push for compensation for Indigenous people.

‘Nothing to fear’: The country that has had a Voice to parliament for 27 years
A spokesman for Fair Australia, the name of the No campaign run by a conservative political outfit Advance, rejected Clare’s claims and said there were many examples of supporters of the Voice arguing the advisory body was a “tool to demand taxpayer funded compensation, pay reparations for historical wrongs, to force Australians to ‘pay the rent’.”

“Is Mr Clare serious? Clearly he’s the one not telling the truth here,” the spokesman said.

The Yes campaign’s Roy Ah See, a Wiradjuri man, said the No campaign’s tactics represented “one of the most un-Australian acts in political history”.

“The No campaign has admitted to a strategy of lies, lies and more lies,” he said.

“The Australian people are being taken for mugs by the No campaign in a tactic that is distinctly un-Australian: they are telling their campaign workers to be dishonest to Aussies, stay anonymous and not identify themselves as belonging to the No campaign.”

The director of the failed 1999 republic campaign, barrister Greg Barns, said the details about No outfit Advance’s tactics were “sickening and fraudulent” and “exactly what happened in 1999 with the republic referendum”.

Lysander
Lysander
September 12, 2023 2:11 pm

Here are three legitimate questions to ask Yes supporters;

-What is the Voice’s budget
-How will it report on what is spent (audit etc…)?
-What happens if it fails to meet its KPIs or, better, does?

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 2:16 pm

Roger

Sep 12, 2023 9:27 AM
Palaszczuk is back, playing the female card:
‘I am proof that the women & girls of this state can be anything they want.’
She then went on to defend two Labor MPs accused of mistreating women.

Surely the girls must be getting sick of this bullshit too?

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 2:19 pm

Thanks, Lysander.

Can’t use progressive tactics on progressives. It isn’t fair!

Petros
Petros
September 12, 2023 2:20 pm

Were any of these Qantas chairman’s lounge judges involved in trials where a minor player had to go up against Qantas?

Lysander
Lysander
September 12, 2023 2:22 pm

Lol Calli – they’re not even “progressive” tactics, unless by that we mean things like: Reporting the truth, showing historical videos of Langton, Mayo, Pearson calling people racists, white c-nts, seeking reparations, treaties and truth-telling…

Hardly, a disingenuous campaign by No.

One thing: I’ve always thought truth-telling would come before reparations as the “truth” would enable bigger payouts…. or is it just me?

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 12, 2023 2:22 pm

I’m grateful to the Cats who continue to liberate his writing from the News Corp paywall.

Via Tim Blair comes this report on Jennifer Granholm.

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 2:23 pm

I see Reflexo-Dumb, the downtick chump has awoken from its afternoon nap.

*waves*

billie
billie
September 12, 2023 2:23 pm

Tours, that reminds me ..

Was at the old Tsujiki Fish Market in Tokyo recently, very touristy but that’s ok as there’s lots of interesting street food and everyone has a good time of it.

Coming down one of the streets, a conga line of people, with a person at the front with an Orange Flag and a person at the other end with an Orange Flag – the flag read:

Adventures by Disney

American tourists being escorted through the market, baseball hats and US cities and brands T-shirts.

A lot of people stopped to watch them, it was so out of place. Don’t know if they were from a Disney Cruise ship or the local DisneyLand/DisneySea site.

Robert Sewell
September 12, 2023 2:27 pm

Lizzie:

Quite ominous. De-escalation needed, with a powerful top negotiator not afraid to call out the vested-in-war interests.
Bring on President Trump.

If President Trump has any sense at all, he’ll pull all US forces and equipment out of Europe – including all the pre positioned equipment/fuel/ammo – the lot. And told the Europeans they were on their own.

Petros
Petros
September 12, 2023 2:30 pm

What is the value of the standard Qantas club membership and shouldn’t it have been obligatory to disclose the chairman’s lounge membership? No doubt it would be more expensive than the common pleb membership in value.

Pogria
Pogria
September 12, 2023 2:30 pm

Adding to the smoking thread, my smoking history, smoked from ages 17-37.
First year, mostly rollies as I was out bush and thought it was cool, haha.
Marlboros to Winfield. About 10-15 a day. By the time I hit my thirties I was gasping 40 a day. Double that if out partying and clubbing.
My body actually gave up on the smokes. I used to buy enough smokes to last me the week. Prices were rising by then and I hated buying from the servo or local shop. Bludgers knew better than to ask for one. You all the know the kind, never have smokes of their own, always saying they’ll pay you back.
At the end of the week, I noticed that I still had a pack left, and that often I wouldn’t finish a smoke. That, is the ultimate sacrilege! Always hated seeing idiots take a few drags, then stub out the smoke when there was more than half left.

So I bought myself some nicotine gum and haven’t smoked since. I have nothing against smokers. No one ever came home from smoking two packs and beat the shit out of the missus and the kids.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2023 2:30 pm

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/09/newborn-being-given-welcome-to-country.html

Perhaps we could cut costs by combining it with their ‘sex assignment’ as that now comes at birth?

JC
JC
September 12, 2023 2:35 pm

No one ever came home from smoking two packs and beat the shit out of the missus and the kids.

They’d be out of breath from the start. 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
September 12, 2023 2:39 pm

This morning I worked from home so that I could go to a private physio appointment. Walking along Oxford Street, I ran into a YES spruiker, an older, very white man. He asked if he could give me a YES pamphlet and I said NO. I then said “why would I vote to insert race into the constitution?” “It’s apartheid, pure and simple”. He stood there like a gormless moron, and I ended the exchange by saying….

“you’re gonna lose, bigtime”.

I then laughed at him and walked off.

I wasn’t rude, but I wasn’t nice either. He and his fellow travellers can EFF off.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 12, 2023 2:39 pm

In energy projects news:

South Australian Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis steps off a hydrogen bus – a rapidly emerging green technology with faster refuelling and greater range than an electric battery alternative.

The hydrogen fuel cell bus trial in Adelaide is part of Premier Peter Malinauskas’s vision to deliver baseload power, create jobs and power Whyalla steel manufacturing.

His government’s Hydrogen Jobs Plan’s centrepiece is a $593m hydrogen power plant at Whyalla.

The plant would use excess solar energy generated during the middle of the day to power electrolysis of water to create green hydrogen – the only emission is water.

The plan has three elements: a 200MW power station, hydrogen electrolysers with 250MWe capacity, and a hydrogen storage facility holding two months’ supply, or 3600 tonnes. Bidders for the project are now being assessed.

In an interview, Mr Malinauskas said the hydrogen opportunity was the best way the state could capitalise on the economy shifting to a decarbonised future.

“Hydrogen is the fuel source that is zero carbon emissions that can take what is essentially the sun and the wind and turn it into a more valuable commodity,” he said.

“ … We’re building the world’s largest hydrogen electrolyser, but the hydrogen we produce from that electrolyser, we’re going to use to run a generator that will produce zero-carbon-emission energy into the grid that puts downward pressure on prices, just by having more supply.”

In a speech to the World Hydrogen Summit in Rotterdam in May, Mr Malinauskas revealed details of a world-first Hydrogen and Renewable Energy Act, aimed at streamlining processes for companies wanting to invest in large-scale hydrogen and renewable energy projects into a single regulatory process.

“Critically South Australia’s in a position where we can produce hydrogen cheaper than other parts of the world because of the readily accessible coincident sun and wind resource,” he said.

“So by moving and doing it quickly, we can prove up the cost of hydrogen production in a way that is comparatively cheaper to other parts of the world. We hope that will drive more investment from private capital in the state.”

Office of Hydrogen Power SA chief executive Sam Crafter said 29 parties from around the world had expressed interest in the procurement process and partners were expected to be announced in September or October.

Australia’s richest man, Fortescue executive chairman Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, has cited Deloitte forecasts predicting the green hydrogen market will exceed the value of liquid natural gas by 2030 and save up to 85 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide by 2050 – twice global emissions in 2021.

Fortescue has been working on green hydrogen-powered projects since 2021 and expects to test in mines a haul truck prototype later this year.

At Gladstone, Queensland, Fortescue is building the world’s biggest hydrogen electrolyser plant and expects to start production later this year.

Queensland Deputy Premier Steven Miles is vowing to make Gladstone the “global capital of the green hydrogen industry”.

The Central Queensland Renewable Hydrogen project is expected to start commercial operations from 2028.

In an interview, Dr Miles said Queensland believed it was uniquely placed to capitalise on the hydrogen investment pipeline.

“Our renewables generation is more advanced. We have the state ownership of much of the generation and all of the distribution. We have the established gas export industry, based around Gladstone,” he said.

Quite a few hydrogen capitals of the world apparently, right here in Australia.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 12, 2023 2:41 pm

All Australian Judges should Resign/Step Down from this!

High Court reveals every current judge is a member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’

The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’ exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over the sacking of 1700 workers.

Samantha Maiden

The High Court has revealed every current judge is a member of Qantas’ secretive Chairman’s Lounge, an invitation-only club that offers its members free champagne, steak dinners and cocktails on demand.

As the High Court prepares to hand down its judgment in a landmark case regarding the long-running battle between Qantas and the Transport Workers’ Union (TWU) over the sacking of 1,700 ground staff at the height of the pandemic, a spokesman has confirmed the issue was raised and cleared with the parties involved.

Described as “the most exclusive club in the country” the invitation only airport club is famed as part of Qantas’ “soft power” diplomacy with political leaders, judges, current and former prime ministers and senior public servants invited to enter the door discretely marked “private” at the Qantas lounge.

It is believed some federal court judges are also members.

The Federal Court is set to separately consider the ACCC’s claim that Qantas continued selling tickets to 8,000 “ghost flights” even after they had been cancelled.

A spokesperson for the High Court said the parties involved in the current matter were all aware of the Chairman’s club membership and “no objection was raised”.

“Each of the Justices is a member of the Chairman’s Lounge,’’ the spokesperson said.

“The parties to the Qantas matter presently before the Court (and in which judgment is being delivered to tomorrow) were informed of this fact prior to the hearing and no objection was raised.

“Membership is declared on the Justices’ register of gifts (they are required to declare gifts over $200).”

Separate to the High Court controversy, one legal source described the membership of the Qantas Club by multiple members of the judiciary as “a ticking time bomb” that should be publicly declared.

Another senior lawyer speculated that it had not been raised as an issue because membership of the exclusive club by judges was “considered natural like oxygen”.

Speaking generally about the issue, former Supreme Court judge Anthony Whealy KC said judges should always declare such membership and can’t just “shove it under the carpet”.

“I personally think it should be declared if you’re in a case involving Qantas and you’re the recipient of benefits such as other exclusive membership offered by Qantas,’’ he told news.com.au.

“I would think that as a matter of propriety, a judge should declare that membership and have it out in the open. I can’t imagine that the people in the litigation would ask the judges to disqualify themselves, but I think it should be out in the open.”

“If you own shares in the company it’s the same sort of thing although shares are a more substantial financial involvement. You can’t just shove it under the carpet.

“I don’t imagine a litigant would actually take that point, unless they were insane. I think practically it’s not going to make a difference. But in theory, it’s the same problem as owning shares in a company that’s before you as a litigant.”

Geoffrey Watson SC, a former counsel assisting ICAC and the Police Integrity Commission and a Lecturer in Ethics, Law and Justice at the University of Technology Sydney, said it should be declared as the High Court justices have declared it.

“It would be better if a judge who received any kind of gift from an outside source declared that so that it was transparent,’’ he said.

“If it was the case that the giver was a litigant or potential litigant, then of course it should be declared. The gift in this instance is from a known repeated litigant in the federal court system. So, of course, it should be declared.”

The food on offer in the Chairman’s Lounge for free for judges and politicians and invited CEOs include a free steak dinner and a gin and tonic and salt and pepper squid.

“Part of the wankiness, as well as the secret doors, is the fact you could ask for absolutely anything, even if it’s not on the menu, and it will be cooked pretty quickly, just for you,” one regular visitor told the Australian Financial Review.

Former Qantas Group chief executive Alan Joyce has described the Qantas Chairman’s Lounge as “probably the most exclusive club in the country”, Membership is “strictly confidential.”

Membership can sometimes confer on travellers flight upgrades, including being upgraded to business class without having to pay for frequent flyer points.

News.com.au is not aware whether or not any judges have been offered free flight upgrades or not and does not suggest they were, only that Chairman’s Club members have been offered upgrades in the past.

Membership of the Chairman’s Lounge is for a period of two years, renewed entirely at Qantas’ discretion. No fees are charged and your partner, or another guest, is allowed in with you and no correspondence will be entered into over disputes.

The Federal Court’s gifts and benefits register for public servants also lists Qantas Chairman’s Lounge membership of several public servants including CEO and Principal Registrar David Pringle.

It also declares Chairman’s Club membership for the President of the National Native Title Tribunal.

This register is published in accordance with the Australian Public Service Commission’s Guidance for Agency Heads – Gifts and Benefits.

The Federal Court is required to maintain and publish on its website a register of any gifts and benefits accepted which are valued over $A100 (excluding GST) – but it does not appear to list any federal court judges.

Some guides to judicial conduct raise concerns about the provision of gifts.

For example, the The Australasian Institute of Judicial Administration Incorporated (“AIJA”) states it is necessary to draw a distinction between accepting gifts in a personal capacity unrelated to judicial office and gifts which in some way relate, or might appear to relate, to judicial office.

“It is only in the latter category that acceptance of gifts or other benefits needs careful consideration,’’ it states.

“Some benefits which may well be legitimate marketing or promotional activities may nevertheless cause difficulties. Refusal of such a benefit may seem churlish or even offensive if it imputes or implies improper motives, but the short answer is that there is no good reason why judges should receive free benefits that others have to pay for.”

Separately, the Australasian Institute of Judicial Administration Incorporated states that a judge cannot be a member of a club or society that engages in unlawful or invidious discrimination.”

“The principle is easily stated, but not easy to apply,’’ the document states.

“In making a decision about membership a judge should be mindful of the message that sends to judicial colleagues and to the public.”

Qantas refuses to discuss who is in the Chairman’s Club and declined to detail whether High Court judges were all automatically members.

“I’m afraid we don’t comment on the Chairman’s Lounge,’’ a spokeswoman said.

Lysander
Lysander
September 12, 2023 2:41 pm

I only smoke to show my affluence 😛

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 12, 2023 2:43 pm

Ozzie, the COVID bullshit appears to have completely screwed up the world. So many things just don’t work anymore. You

Ed Dowds observation that ~30% of the workforce either left, or had a vax induced disability in the last several years might be part of it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 12, 2023 2:51 pm

Prominent Indigenous campaigner for the voice to parliament Professor Marcia Langton, has accused no voters of opposing the referendum because of “base racism” or “sheer stupidity” at a forum in Bunbury in South West WA.

How long before Marcia has her dilly bag full of deplorables moment?

Frank
Frank
September 12, 2023 2:54 pm

before my name it displayed my nominated pronoun: ‘Lord’

Mine is “Your Excellency”. Sadly the killjoys in HR declined to include it in the internal phone listings, a decision that seems as though it should be actionable.

Morsie
Morsie
September 12, 2023 2:55 pm

Last Saturday walking near Kew Junction.People wanting me to sign up to”electrify Boroondara”.
I ignored them before running into some old Yes campaigners.
Go away ,I said much to their apparent surprise.
I am done being polite to these useful idiots as Lenin called them.
And no I didn’t say F.O.

calli
calli
September 12, 2023 2:56 pm

I only smoke to show my affluence

Old and busted – great stashes of toilet paper

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