Open Thread – Mon 9 Oct 2023


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Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 10, 2023 9:55 pm

bons Oct 10, 2023 6:54 AM

+950

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 10, 2023 9:56 pm

They would’ve been carrying mobile phones. Surely, this is an easier way to track them.

The desire for law enforcement to track the entire population at all times brings in all manner of problems…

It’s all fun and games, until they track you down for being in the wrong place at the wrong time while someone purchased bitcoin, gold, ammunition or drugs…

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 10, 2023 9:57 pm

vr
Oct 10, 2023 9:46 PM
NSW Police are going through CCTV of Monday night’s protest and will be targeting illegal behaviour that was committed on the steps on the Opera House last night. Those who have broken the law will face the full force of the law,” he told The Daily Telegraph.

They would’ve been carrying mobile phones. Surely, this is an easier way to track them.

The FBI technique after January 6. How delicious to see it being applied to some of the leftards’ pets.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 10, 2023 9:59 pm

Plasmamortar
Oct 10, 2023 9:56 PM
They would’ve been carrying mobile phones. Surely, this is an easier way to track them.

The desire for law enforcement to track the entire population at all times brings in all manner of problems…

It’s all fun and games, until they track you down for being in the wrong place at the wrong time while someone purchased bitcoin, gold, ammunition or drugs…

Having the technique used against the Mooslimes could lead to a ban?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 10, 2023 10:00 pm

Hamas ultimatum: we will televise hostage executions

By ben packham
Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
@bennpackham
9:29PM October 10, 2023
No Comments

The Hamas terrorist group has threatened to record executions of Israeli hostages unless the Jewish state winds back its bombardment of the Gaza Strip, in a brutal ultimatum for the country as it prepares massive retribution against the militant group.

The warning came as Israel ­ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza in preparation for an offensive, halting the flow of food, water, electricity and fuel into the Palestinian enclave as it activated a ­record 300,000 reservists for its “Swords of Iron” campaign.

The Israeli military on Tuesday night (AEDT) said it had found the bodies of more than 1500 Hamas fighters inside Israel, bringing the overall death toll to more than 3100, and claimed to have the Gaza border secured against Hamas.
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“We have gained full control over the border fence in the Gaza Strip. In the last day, not a single terrorist entered the fence,” an Israel Defence Forces spokesman said on Tuesday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed an Israeli response to the terrorist invasion of his country that would “echo down through generations”.

“Hamas terrorists bound, burned and executed children. They are savages. Hamas is ISIS,” Mr Netanyahu said, likening the group to the extremist Islamic State network.

The threat of the war expanding throughout the region also ­increased, after a deputy commander of the Israeli 300th Brigade, Alim Abdallah, was killed in clash with militants who had crossed the Lebanese border.

All dead HAMAS fighters will have a dead pig thrown into their grave…

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 10, 2023 10:03 pm

Having the technique used against the Mooslimes could lead to a ban?

I’m in favour of this.

Problem is, as well all know, this tracking system is for the “law abiding citizen” it doesn’t apply to those who are prepared to actually do damage…

Perhaps there’s a lesson there…

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Point #3 arising from the Hamas film festival of horror:

3) There’s been similar horror before, either not filmed, or not seen by the world’s normies, due to MSM censorship, of autistic leftard silicon valley social media firms censoring the reach.

What is different this time? Why did the video get out to the world?
Elon Musk is why. He lifted the suppression of “problematic” information & let the sunshine in.

Thus the whole world got to see the jubilation videos, made & uploaded in real time, for the viewing pleasure of all in the sphere of the … ahem… religion of peace.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 10, 2023 10:13 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qQklexWSc&t=38s

Linda Burney tells Australians “You can go now.”

Cassie of Sydney
October 10, 2023 10:16 pm

Liz Storer is a warrior and she doesn’t mince words…tonight on the Late Debate…

“answer me this, if that was a pile of Ku Klux Klanners, and they stood on the steps of the Opera House and burnt the indigenous flag, do you mean to tell me that there’d be no arrests? NO, so why is it okay NSW Government, is it because it’s the Jews? Why are you okay with this? Why is it that nothing was done? Every single one of these people should be deported”.

Storer is 100% right.

Here’s a fact, the NSW Police provided a personal escort for a bunch of Nazis whilst they were shouting “gas the Jews”.

I just feel sick.

cohenite
October 10, 2023 10:24 pm

Hamas ultimatum: we will televise hostage executions

By ben packham
Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
@bennpackham
9:29PM October 10, 2023
No Comments

The Hamas terrorist group has threatened to record executions of Israeli hostages unless the Jewish state winds back its bombardment of the Gaza Strip, in a brutal ultimatum for the country as it prepares massive retribution against the militant group.

I cannot see a way that these poor wretches can be saved. But there are several aspects that flow: whether the gutless msm covers what no doubt will be acts as heinous as anything ISIS did; whether the Israeli’s retribution, including hopefully the capture and drawing and quartering with camels of the hamas scum will be invested with moral outrage by the same msm. Whether iran suffers consequences ranging from strategic attacks on its assets or a nuking.

I really think any person in this country who supports what hamas has done and will do should be treated as a traitor. It won’t happen of course but it should. But a lesson here: if ever you are in a terrorist situation: going down fighting the scum in the first instance or surrendering and subsequently being tortured and executed is not a choice.

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 10:27 pm

Serious Question.

At what depth below ground level or through obstacles will infrared sensors work? (I mean the detection of body heat. Apologies for any misuse of terminology).

Cassie of Sydney
October 10, 2023 10:28 pm

“I cannot see a way that these poor wretches can be saved”

I spoke to an Israeli girlfriend today. We both said we’d rather be dead that endure what the captured women, if any remain alive (and I have my doubts), are enduring.

By the way, here’s a fact, a plain, stone cold fact, and that is rape and sexual slavery of Jewish and Christian women are core tenets of Islam and Islamic jihad.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 10, 2023 10:30 pm

Daily Tele.

Islamic preacher who praised Hamas terror attack on Israel revealed as early Voice backer

A Sydney imam who praised the Voice to Parliament as part of the nation’s “healing process” has come out in support Hamas’s brutal weekend attack on Israel, calling it “a day of happiness”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 10, 2023 10:32 pm

rape and sexual slavery of Jewish and Christian women are core tenets of Islam and Islamic jihad.

But weren’t we assured that Islam is the most feminist of religions?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 10, 2023 10:36 pm

Here’s a fact, the NSW Police provided a personal escort for a bunch of Nazis whilst they were shouting “gas the Jews”.

It’s alright. They’ll look ’em up on facebook over the next few weeks, then go & have a stern talk to them.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 10, 2023 10:41 pm

Point #4 that springs into mind when downloading shedloads of horrific rape/murder/kidnap/torture videos uploaded by Hamas on Saturday:

4) Some of these videos are stomach churningly horrific. I’d never look at ’em again & never want anyone to see them, unless the need arises. The images cannot be bleached out of the mind.

As savage as these video clips are, the most horrific, most savage of the Hamas videos, are about level with the mildest of the images from South African murders of white farmers, of which many are far more sadistic, cruel, far more horrific in the torture, far more nightmare causing in their primitive brutal sadistic savagery, than Hamas could dream up.

Cassie of Sydney
October 10, 2023 10:42 pm

I’m sobbing, this is from the Israeli Gaza border last night, IDF reservists singing the Hatikvah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTuJYf3Gf4o

May God protect them, and may they invoke the spirit of Samson.

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 10:47 pm

The word ‘parasitic’ no longer seems an adequate label for the majority of our media. It appears quaint or complimentary. It scares me when I can no longer find an appropriate adjective in the English language, because words are how I make sense of what otherwise is a chaos that surrounds me.

I need to drink more.
Cognition is frightening.

Annie
Annie
October 10, 2023 10:53 pm

I am praying for you Cassie and all who are so deeply hurt by these horrific events.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 10, 2023 10:54 pm

I just can’t see any Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip being overly concerned about taking any prisoners, or accepting any surrenders…

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 10:56 pm

What are the pros & cons of voluntarily not acknowledging the five-letter ‘h’ word on this site?

It is their preferred name, yes?
Why compliment them by using their chosen name?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 10, 2023 10:58 pm

Sugar Ray Martin: “Just watch me piss people off right in time for the referendum.”
Josh Addo-Carr: “Hold my beer.”

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 11:04 pm

What is the Hebrew noun for incest? Would that be more appropriate than the ‘h’ word?

MatrixTransform
October 10, 2023 11:07 pm

At what depth below ground level or through obstacles will infrared sensors work?

in metres?

… close to zero

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 11:08 pm

In case I’m too oblique, my previous name for them was ‘homos.’ Pronounce with two soft ‘o’s.

JC
JC
October 10, 2023 11:09 pm

FMD

We have a bunch of friends. Arrived here for dins at 6.30 and left a few mins ago. 4 1/2 hours! Some people never know when to leave and stop drinking.

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 11:10 pm

Thanks, Matrix.
Hmmm, tunnels.
No easy options.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 10, 2023 11:12 pm

Albo just in the right place for a rescue:

NT Police Domestic Violence unit investigating alleged hour-long bashing outside Nakara bus stop
Police are appealing for witnesses after a woman was allegedly bashed for an hour outside a Darwin bus stop.

but

In a final plea from the heart of the nation Anthony Albanese has urged voters to consider the proposal and support the Voice as a line-up of Australian heroes back the referendum.

The Prime Minister is in Uluru where he will welcome former politician and ultra-marathon runner Pat Farmer at the finish line of an epic six-month run around the nation in support of the Voice.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 10, 2023 11:31 pm

“?? ??????? ?? ????:

Indeed.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 10, 2023 11:35 pm

Muddy

At what depth below ground level or through obstacles will infrared sensors work? (I mean the detection of body heat. Apologies for any misuse of terminology).

Depends on obstacle material. If the obstacles are leaves from trees there are certain IR wavelengths that can go straight through that, which is exploited by LIDAR to map the ground underneath tree canopies. But that is basically the only situation where IR works. It will be blocked by any material you’re likely to find in residential rubble.

What you need for seeing through concrete is microwaves – radar basically.
https://www.dael.com/assets/files/Security-brochures/brochures-voorwerpen/L3—RANGE-R.pdf
This is used by the FBI for incident response, so disaster response isn’t far off.

Muddy
Muddy
October 10, 2023 11:44 pm

Thanks, Colonel. I was pondering the task for intelligence services. So many to find.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 10, 2023 11:48 pm

The way to find tunnels is looking for ventilation and entry/ exits.

If you are using any machinery you have to have a fair airflow going. If it’s old school then there might be some temp/ heat plume to be seen.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 12:00 am

Israel has gone full blown “F*ck you!”

The drones are constant. Pegging targets.

Listen with headphones.

Gaza Live: Real-time HD Camera Feeds from Gaza

Annie
Annie
October 11, 2023 12:04 am

Arky @ 6:45pm:

Please don’t insult animals. These terrorists committed pre-meditated utter brutality and murder.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
October 11, 2023 12:10 am

so why is it okay NSW Government, is it because it’s the Jews?

“Jews Don’t Count”, by David Baddiel
https://fathomjournal.org/book-review-jews-dont-count/

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 12:11 am

The jets are back.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 11, 2023 12:14 am

thefrollickingmole

Oct 10, 2023 11:48 PM

The way to find tunnels is looking for ventilation and entry/ exits.

And red shoes.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 11, 2023 12:17 am

An interesting method of interpreting the Hamas attack is to think of it as Israel’s 9/11. Including conspiracy theories.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 11, 2023 12:20 am

Airbus Albanese, all a-quiver with the feels n stuff.
I can only imagine that his post-defeat referendum wrap will involve him breaking down and lashing out. Half emotional incontinence, and half delusions of his own irresistibility. He’ll have to resign.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 11, 2023 12:46 am
Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
October 11, 2023 2:40 am

An interesting method of interpreting the Hamas attack is to think of it as Israel’s 9/11

USA 9/11 – approx 3,000 deaths = 0.001% of US population.
Israel – approx 1,000 deaths = 0.011% of Israel’s population.
An order of magnitude greater.

Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:52 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:53 am
Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 4:54 am

Muddy
Oct 10, 2023 11:10 PM
Thanks, Matrix.
Hmmm, tunnels.
No easy options.

If ground penetrating radar can show up all the underground aquifers in the river Nile, why can’t it detect tunnels?

Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:54 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:56 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:57 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:58 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 4:59 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:00 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:06 am
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 11, 2023 5:07 am

Thank you Tom, your diligence and devotion to this early morning task is much appreciated. At the moment I am so overwhelmed with sadness and grief for our brothers and sisters in Israel and around the world – I am wondering, as I am not on social media whether there are millions bathing their profiles with blue and white in solidarity with the grief and travesty in Israel?

Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 5:07 am

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/israel-shows-why-americans-have-right-weapons-war-self-defense

It’s no wonder that Israel has realized that their gun control measures are getting their citizens hurt or worse. Horrifying video from border towns near Gaza shows Hamas fighters going house to house looking for Israelis.
Without access to firearms, Israeli citizens are helpless to defend themselves against these heavily armed fighters, resulting in kidnappings and killings.

Ask yourself if the Israeli death toll would have been higher or lower if they had been able to have military grade firearms.
If you say ‘higher’, then give yourself an uppercut.

Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 5:08 am
Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 5:12 am

Interesting.

If it’s not an escaped animal from a private zoo or let go from a circus a couple of years ago, it’s a huge feral cat (and they can legitimately reach 20kg+ which is pushing small leopard subspecies size).

Either way, our gun laws are silly. I think allowing people to carry 10 mm auto is a good idea!

https://youtu.be/MwXbLaw3xtc?feature=shared

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 5:17 am

The animals are still launching rockets.

Israel’s response is F-you! I hope those drones I hear have pegged the location.

Waiting for a response and BOOM! This is more audio over visual. Put your headphones on.

Gaza Live: Real-time HD Camera Feeds from Gaza

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 5:25 am

The way to find tunnels is looking for ventilation and entry/ exits.

These tunnels are in sand. Sand which is currently being subjected to heavy air strikes and artillery and will soon face the weight of tanks and armoured vehicles. Even reinforced ones will likely be crushed, or buried under the rubble of buildings.

IMO very few tunnels will survive when all is said and done.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 5:30 am

In come the jets.

Bang!

Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 5:47 am

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/no-words-hamas-savages-cutting-heads-bab

Now we have confirmation the terrorist group has sunk even lower. i24 news correspondent Nicole Zedek reported that she spoke to Israeli soldiers, and they revealed to her that Hamas terrorists are chopping off the heads of babies and gunning down families in their homes.
Yes, Hamas is literally beheading babies.ies-gunning/

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 5:49 am

NSW Police are going through CCTV of Monday night’s protest and will be targeting illegal behaviour that was committed on the steps on the Opera House last night. Those who have broken the law will face the full force of the law,” he told The Daily Telegraph.

I’m no expert on police matters, but wouldn’t it have been more efficient and mindful of public safety to arrest the bustards on the spot rather than playing chase the rat games now? Especially when their cop protectors were standing right there when they broke the law.

It’s been 3 days. Just how many of them have been arrested? Any? So when is this ‘full force of the law’ to be applied?

Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 6:01 am

Zatara:

It’s been 3 days. Just how many of them have been arrested? Any? So when is this ‘full force of the law’ to be applied?

One or two of the crowd will be arrested after the police have made a deal with the local Imams. Then they will get a fine that the Imams will pay for them.
Our coppers are only good for bashing Grannies.
Law enforcement is a bit too much effort for them.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 6:07 am

Robert Sewell

Undoubtedly. But the moment to have made the point that this sort of behaviour will absolutely not be tolerated was firmly and on the spot. With the cameras rolling.

As usual, the authorities will back into it slowly so as to not make any waves. Meanwhile, the innocent suffer.

Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 6:27 am
Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 6:27 am

Zatara:

As usual, the authorities will back into it slowly so as to not make any waves. Meanwhile, the innocent suffer.

Yes, but they don’t matter.
Australia is a Social Laboratory, showing that those who bend the knee and obey the Law, are the ones who will be crushed by the Authorities.

Robert Sewell
October 11, 2023 6:41 am

https://www.theexpositor.tv/blog/sheep-wolves-and-sheepdogs-lt-col-dave-grossman/
Many of you will have heard of the term. This is the original from 2013.
After you read it, ask yourself what happens if the sheepdog gets lazy and makes a pact with the wolf?
That’s what we are getting in Australia. The sheepdog allows the wolf to kill the occasional sheep while he takes it easy under the tree and the shepherd still feeds him.

Our entire legal/government etc system needs a good looking over and the crooked members who represent only themselves need turfing out on their ears. Anyone who denies we are heading into an administrative crisis is fooling themselves.

bons
bons
October 11, 2023 6:50 am

Hamas are maniacs, but not exactly dumb.
One wonders what hell is awaiting the Israeli ground force when they break into Gaza.
No doubt it has been turned into a nightmare defencive trap using unlimited Iranian weapons and Obama funds.
The seige is an indiscriminate tactic but will save Israeli lives.
Gazans have always had the option of revolting against Hamas but chose not to.
Consequences.
I do not believe the lefty propaganda pitch that Gazans hate Hamas.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 6:57 am

Ask yourself if the Israeli death toll would have been higher or lower if they had been able to have military grade firearms.
If you say ‘higher’, then give yourself an uppercut.

Higher.

There are two million Israeli Arabs in Israel and they are just as bloodthirsty as Hamas, when you lift the rock and check underneath it.

If Israel had less restrictive firearms laws it would be impossible to keep them from arming up. And when Hamas attacked guess what they’d do.

Israel tries to keep the Israeli Arabs quiet, they have the vote and are treated as citizens. Restricting firearm ownership to Jewish Israelis would feed the claims of apartheid that have dogged Israel for a long time. So they couldn’t do it that way. I think the current arrangements are as best they could politically dare to do – since there’re obviously enough firearms in the community that when an Arab goes postal they are usually potted pretty quickly.

All bets are off now though, and the government has justification to establish an effective apartheid and keep firearms out of the hands of the Israeli Arabs.

Crossie
Crossie
October 11, 2023 6:58 am

Robert Sewell
Oct 10, 2023 7:00 PM
Luxury beliefs – When you hold passionate views about something that doesn’t actually affect you.

It’s like Boutique Power – when you have solar panels, a big Tesla battery, and drive around in an EV that is subsidised by extra taxes and charges on poor people.

This is why I think and always have that subsidies for electric cars and solar panels are immoral. Governments take tax money that was collected from all of us, even the poorest in the form of GST, and give to rich people who can afford these luxuries in the first place.

Another iniquity is that with more and more people living in high rise apartments they will never be eligible for such largesse in the form of subsidies yet must contribute to them for the rich single dwellings owners who can afford a partial cost. This must be particularly galling in the current mortgage squeeze.

When you look at who benefits it becomes clearer why the rich and the comfortably off vote for Labor and Greens.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 7:05 am

More own goals for Yes campaigners – flying the aboriginal flag at the pro-Palestinian hate marches (they aren’t demonstrations).

People do notice who you are allied to, numpties.

Crossie
Crossie
October 11, 2023 7:05 am

One wonders what hell is awaiting the Israeli ground force when they break into Gaza.
No doubt it has been turned into a nightmare defencive trap using unlimited Iranian weapons and Obama funds.

The Iranians don’t have unlimited supply of weapons, it’s the ones Biden and Milley have left in Afghanistan that are being used by Hamas and those will run out eventually, particularly the ammunition.

In my mind Milley and his fellow Chiefs of Staff are just as culpable, if not more so, than Iranians. They are not stupid so it had to be deliberate.

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 7:05 am

From the Oz…

“Israeli soldiers discover the remains of 40 babies and young children, many beheaded, in a Hamas massacre at the kibbutz of Kfar Aza | Warning: graphic content”

I am trying to clear my throat before I begin this, and I’m trying to remain calm.

Firstly, where’ the pervert apologist? Note his silence? No condemnation of the Sydney Hamas get together, where there were screams of “gas the Jews”……a protest where NSW police stood by and looked on. Yet, you can bet your bottom dollar that our resident grub would have been littering these pages if a group of “far-right” men and women had assembled on the steps of the Opera House, let off flares, burnt an Israeli flag and screamed, screeched and shouted….”gas the Jews”. And you bet your bottom dollar that NSW police would have moved in if that protest had been done by a group of “far-far-right men and women”.

I suppose there’s one good thing in all of this, although I’m struggling to find anything “good”, but that is that the infected scab that is progressive puke hypocrisy has been torn off, including the scab that is our resident slimy grub. I’m sure he thinks the above was done because of Palestinian “legitimate grievances”? Beheading babies is “legitimate grievances”? Who knew? If anyone here still wonders why I’m so hard on the despicable grub, the above is why. The same pervert apologist who comes on here thumping his chest like some cartoonish magilla gorilla stating that he wants to “punch Nazis”, but here’s the truth, he and his ilk are now well and truly exposed for being the true Nazi apologists, for being the true Nazi supporters, for being the true Nazis.

So, please let me thank you for that, it’s always good to have clear air.

Decapitated babies is what Israel is now dealing with. I repeat, there is no moral equivalence between Israel and the Palestinians (and there never has been), but I should not even have to state this. Whether you agree with Israel dropping bombs on Gaza, whether you agree with the settlements, whether you agree with Israel’s right to exist, if you refuse to stand up and condemn the above then you are a Jew hater, you are a Nazi sympathiser, you are a Nazi. So, my message to the grub, to Burke, to Bowen, to the Greens, to Woollahra councillors, when you engage in moral equivalence, when you archly proclaim that you’re not “anti-Semitic”, you’re just “anti-Zionist”, the scab is off and this bullshit won’t stand (not that it has ever stood with me). I know who are the Nazi apologists, I have always known.

Some further thoughts….

I note Annie above rightly said that…

Please don’t insult animals. These terrorists committed pre-meditated utter brutality and murder.”

Annie is right, these Hamas terrorists, those terrorists on the Opera House steps, those spineless men and women in Labor and the Greens, those Palestinians who are engaging in moral equivalence, they’re not animals, even a salt water crocodile in Darwin Harbour possesses more moral fibre than those aforementioned murderers and their apologists.

I note that Jews are not safe, even in Australia, and don’t anyone dare accuse me of hyperbole because we Jews have been officially informed by no less than the NSW Police and the NSW government that we “are not safe to walk the streets of our cities”.

It is all clear now. I’m normally quite a vivacious person, as those Cats who know me can attest. But my vivacity has been diminished over the last few days. I am finding it very hard to smile, and I don’t think I can laugh for a long time.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 7:11 am

There are two million Israeli Arabs in Israel and they are just as bloodthirsty as Hamas…

Not entirely true. I read accounts by three survivors of the ‘Rave’ last night in which they describe their being rescued in the desert by ‘Israeli Palestinian’ families who drove down from the north specifically to do search and rescue of surviving Israelis.

Perhaps but a drop in the bucket, but better than none at all.

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 7:13 am

“There are two million Israeli Arabs in Israel and they are just as bloodthirsty as Hamas, when you lift the rock and check underneath it.”

Not true.

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 7:14 am

Zatara
Oct 11, 2023 7:11 AM

Snap.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 7:17 am

Tim Pool’s fence sitting today is insufferable.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 7:20 am

Interesting. I did not know these had an indigenous name. Maybe they’re real and been here all along.

https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/cairns-minjin-cat-tourist-reports-sighting-of-huge-black-puma-near-far-north-queensland-beach/news-story/336da06a6f2a9a12708328c9931c5ac7

Cairns minjin cat: Tourist reports sighting of huge black ‘puma’ near Far North Queensland beach

“It had big dark brown eyes and ears”: A new sighting of a legendary beast lying in wait by a Far North roadside has been reported to authorities.

Peter Carruthers
3 min read
March 13, 2020 – 5:00PM
The Cairns Post

It would be interesting to see what is in Trove.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 11, 2023 7:26 am

Looking fwd to our sportstars and celebrities taking the knee over the next 12 months for JLM!

Megan
Megan
October 11, 2023 7:28 am

USA 9/11 – approx 3,000 deaths = 0.001% of US population.
Israel – approx 1,000 deaths = 0.011% of Israel’s population.

Translates mathematically to roughly the eqivalent of 25,000 deaths.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 7:28 am

The Iranians don’t have unlimited supply of weapons, it’s the ones Biden and Milley have left in Afghanistan that are being used by Hamas

To be honest, I have seen heaps of AK-47 variants and RPGs in the hours of videos I have reviewed, but very very few US manufactured weapons of any sort. I’d note that many IDF, Police, and Community Security posts were overrun on the 9th and presumably their weapons were seized by the Hamas scum.

It’s also very difficult to imagine how those AFG weapons and ammunition would have gotten smuggled from AFG into Gaza so fast.

I’m the last one to give Biden and his minions ANY pass on what they did in Afghanistan, but it appears that this meme stretches reality a bit.

shatterzzz
October 11, 2023 7:31 am

Assistant Plod Commissar Tony Cooke on why he aided and abetted an “illegal” gathering and stood back whilst several “hate” laws were trashed ……..

“This is not about us condoning, supporting [or] facilitating any protest… This is about us providing for the public safety.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 11, 2023 7:31 am

Kind of getting sick of the attempted drawing of parallels between this conflict and Ukraine/Russia.
All the civilised world needs to do is sit back and not interfere with Israel taking out the Hamas human garbage.

It sure does suck if you live in Gaza.
Maybe something to think about when you see Hamas moving around more rockets in history and decided to do nothing about it.
Also maybe something to think about the next time you vote (even though they haven’t had presidential elections in 17 years they’ve had local elections that are supportive of Hamas).

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 11, 2023 7:35 am

Zatara is right about the US supplies left behind in Afghanistan.
Those tribal leaders would not let anything out of their grasp as they expect to use it (that which doesn’t need maintenance) against their rivals.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 11, 2023 7:35 am
Diogenes
Diogenes
October 11, 2023 7:36 am

Kind of getting sick of the attempted drawing of parallels between this conflict and Ukraine/Russia.

The Bee nails it with the headline … “Emporer Hirohito requests cease fire after Pearl Harbour attack”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 7:40 am

With two million Israeli Arabs I expect you could easily find 20,000 observant fighting males. Hamas long ago penetrated the Israeli Arab community and has said several times they are trying to get them involved.

Hamas: ‘We will bring Israeli Arabs into the next fight” (Jun 2023)

And they’re already inside the borders, and all over the country, not just concentrated in the SW corner. But without firearms it is hard to stage a widespread assault. There’s only so much you can do with knives and cars.

The IDF so far have collected 1,500 dead Hamas and IJ jihadis from Israel territory. Perhaps twice as many as that invaded.

Having 23,000 jihadis roaming around everywhere rather than 3,000 in the southwest, the result would be far far worse. Tel Aviv would be a nightmare.

Last time was in 2021 when Hamas fired a couple of thousand rockets after one of their commanders was killed. Israeli Arabs then rioted and attacked Jews.

Night of Fear: Jews Attacked by Israeli Arabs Across Israel (May 2021)

I expect they will be more subdued this time since it is absolutely clear the Israeli government is not about to take and crap from them.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 11, 2023 7:41 am

Contrary to what a lot of media types say, it is pretty easy to leave Gaza.
Work visas are freely available to many countries.
Pali’s are a key part of the migrant worker (read borderline slave) class.
Similar to Philipinos in Asia.
If I was a young person in Gaza, I’d prefer to be a modern slave in another country than live in a Hamas run shit hole.

Rosie
Rosie
October 11, 2023 7:43 am

The description of these built-up neighbourhoods as ‘refugee camps’ is risible nonsense.
As is describing hamas terrorists as civilians.
The French closed down mosques used as weapons storage/ terror cells.
Where do people think Hamas plotting planning storage was happening.
mosques used as war rooms are legitimate targets

Crossie
Crossie
October 11, 2023 7:44 am

It’s also very difficult to imagine how those AFG weapons and ammunition would have gotten smuggled from AFG into Gaza so fast.

It’s been over a year since the US buggered out of Afghanistan and left all the hardware there, plenty of time to move it around.

The first thing that caught my attention were the cloth covered guns in the hands of Hamas savages yet they were not concerned about masking their faces. Why would that be if not to hide their provenance.

shatterzzz
October 11, 2023 7:45 am

Gotta admit when it comes to biased reporting “our” ABC takes the Gold Logie easily ..
Reading this you have to accept that Israel is the “baddie” .. all these poor folk just wanting to be left in peace but being harrassed and bombed for no real reason . . sad!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-11/israeli-planes-hammer-gaza-israeli-death-toll-tops-1000/102961492

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 7:45 am

“Night of Fear: Jews Attacked by Israeli Arabs Across Israel (May 2021)”

I’m aware of what happened in May 2021. You can link to as many links as you so desire. The truth is that there are Israeli Arab Druze in the IDF, some of whom are no doubt in the army about to enter Gaza, some of whom stand and sing the Hatkivah. There are even some Israeli Arab Christians in the army. It is simply untrue to state that there are million Israeli Arabs in Israel who are just as bloodthirsty as Hamas, when you lift the rock and check underneath it.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 11, 2023 7:46 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 11, 2023 7:51 am

And there are Australian Labor & Greens Politicians supporting this – May They Rot in Hell

Hamas kills 40 babies and children — beheading some of them — at Israeli kibbutz: report

Hamas terrorists slaughtered at least 40 babies and young children — decapitating some of them — at a kibbutz near the Gaza border, shaken Israeli officials and reporters at the scene said Tuesday.

“It’s hard to even explain exactly just the mass casualties that happened right here,” visibly distraught i24 News correspondent Nicole Zedek said during a broadcast from Kibbutz Kfar Aza near Sderot about a quarter-mile from the Gaza Strip.

“Babies with their heads cut off, that’s what [the soldiers] said. Gunned down. Families gunned down, completely gunned down in their beds,” Zedek said of the “sheer horror.

“This is nothing that anyone would have even imagined,” she said.

Top CNN reporter Nic Robertson, dressed in a military helmet and flak jacket, said, “There were so many murdered members of this Kibbutz.

“Men, women, children, hands bound, shot, executed, heads cut,” he said.

French journalist Margot Haddat added in a translated tweet, “It’s so macabre that no one wanted to reveal it until they had 100 percent confirmation.

“It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see / agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza.”

Kfar Aza was one of several Israeli kibbutzim attacked by Hamas over the weekend when extremist militants crossed from Gaza into southern Israel and unleashed a barrage of violence that gave way to an all-out war between the two sides.

Around 70 Hamas terrorists are believed to have carried out the atrocities at Kfar Aza with guns, grenades and knives, i24 News said.

“It’s not a war,” said Gen. Itai Veruv, head of the IDF’s Depth Command, to reporters. “It’s not a battlefield. You see the babies, the mothers, the fathers in their bedrooms, in their protection rooms, and how the terrorists kill them. It’s not a war. … It’s a massacre.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 11, 2023 7:56 am

A fair-dinkum, no bullshit miracle.
Has to be.
They’d be throwing murderous tantrums around the world
if someone had done a spot of judicious tearing for X clout.
Right?

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 7:57 am

Why would that be if not to hide their provenance.

Why would they care about hiding their provenance? To avoid embarrassing Biden?

Wrapping weapons in cloth is a method of keeping sand out of the action in the desert. It’s also a common way to break up their outline so as to camouflage them, especially by wanna-be commandos like Hamas (i.e. it looks cool).

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 11, 2023 7:58 am

Crossie, why would an Afghan thug give up any weapons.
They’re the only thing keeping from other thugs killing them.
They don’t give a shit about Gaza or Israel.
They just care about being able to be thugs in Afghanistan.

Vicki
Vicki
October 11, 2023 8:09 am

Husband and I just heard about the massacre of the babies in the kibbutz at Kfar Aza. Husband aghast. How is it possible? I said it is because these butchers regard the Israelis as vermin. One has to reach deep into archival history to find the immoral equivalence of what was done in Kfar Aza – although the recent history of IS does equate.

This news literally weakens your heart & spirit. The sheer evil of it takes the life out of you.

shatterzzz
October 11, 2023 8:10 am

“Our” ABC running this story without any credit to whichever satirical site they copied it from ……….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-10/palestinian-politician-claims-hamas-ready-to-swap-hostages/102958866

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 11, 2023 8:11 am

Meanwhile on planet Albo. I open my weather app this morning and up popped an ad from the miserable ghost telling me hes voting Yes. Trigger warning next time pls.

Vicki
Vicki
October 11, 2023 8:12 am

Kfar Aza had to be the new touchstone for the personification of evil.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 11, 2023 8:13 am

Unfortunately the brutality delivered by Hamas on Israel has marked the cards of Hamas and their hostages. There is nothing Ive seen shows any intent of releasing live hostages.

MatrixTransform
October 11, 2023 8:15 am

If ground penetrating radar can show up all the underground aquifers in the river Nile, why can’t it detect tunnels?If ground penetrating radar can show up all the underground aquifers in the river Nile, why can’t it detect tunnels?

the question was about infrared, not radar

some things are transparent to infrared

the ground certainly isn’t one of them

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 8:17 am

‘Nuther one.

Finland investigates suspected sabotage of Baltic-connector gas pipeline (BBC, 11 Oct)

Finland says damage to an underwater natural gas pipeline with Estonia on Sunday may have been deliberate and was probably caused by “external activity”.

The Baltic-connector pipeline was shut down after a sudden drop in pressure. A telecoms cable was also damaged.

Norway’s seismological institute, Norsar, said it had detected a “probable explosion” along Finland’s Baltic Sea coast at 01:20 on Sunday (22:20GMT on Saturday). The event was measured at 1.0, far smaller than the explosions that targeted the Nord Stream pipelines in September 2022.

The Finland-Estonia gas pipeline is probably smaller than Nordstream, so a smaller charge would probably be sufficient. Gas pipelines seem to be on the endangered species list lately.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 8:18 am

Muddy
Oct 10, 2023 10:56 PM
What are the pros & cons of voluntarily not acknowledging the five-letter ‘h’ word on this site?

It is their preferred name, yes?
Why compliment them by using their chosen name?

It should be used, but only if spelled correctly: “Hamarse”.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 8:19 am

Good to see Andrew Tate out himself as a complete dickhead once again.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 8:20 am

Fair Shake
Oct 11, 2023 8:13 AM
Unfortunately the brutality delivered by Hamas on Israel has marked the cards of Hamas and their hostages. There is nothing Ive seen shows any intent of releasing live hostages.

We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

Okay, but let’s say you do. What can you reasonably offer Hamas?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 8:21 am

Muddy
Oct 10, 2023 11:10 PM
Thanks, Matrix.
Hmmm, tunnels.
No easy options.

Check the Australian Army Land Power Forum, for the article on “Subterranean Detection Using Gravity”, dated 28 September.

Crossie
Crossie
October 11, 2023 8:24 am

It is hard to accept imams as being muslims’ spiritual leaders when they behave like military leaders. Take the “I’m happy” Lakemba imam who sounded more like Russell Crowe with his “Tonight we dine in hell” speech to his troops from Gladiator than someone providing spiritual leadership to his co-religionists.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 8:24 am

While ABC and other news outlets persist in their moral equivalence between the IDF and Hamas and the actions of the past few days, they can only be viewed as giving comfort to terrorists and behaving as their propagandists.

This is a legitimate reason to shut the ABC down.

Barr (7) yesterday was at great pains to talk about casualties “on both sides” as if the two things were equal. They aren’t. She’s seen the pictures, read the reports. She knows. They all know.

As for the Greens and their support of these lunatics (and forget the weasely “it’s Palestine not Hamas” excuse) the Labor government should undertake to reject any support from these criminals on the floor of Parliament. That would be the decent, righteous thing to do.

Rosie
Rosie
October 11, 2023 8:24 am

Israelis are warning Gaza before bombing.
Very humanitarian.
Iirc in the last major incident Gaza was counting every death within the period as death by Israel as apparently in normal circumstances no-one dies in Gaza.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 8:30 am

Dot
Oct 11, 2023 8:19 AM
Good to see Andrew Tate out himself as a complete dickhead once again.

What did he say? You are famous as outing yourself as f-head.

duncanm
duncanm
October 11, 2023 8:30 am

ABC wailing about damage in Gaza.

They’re going to run out of platitudes – this is just the warm-up.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 8:31 am

It is hard to accept imams as being muslims’ spiritual leaders when they behave like military leaders.

There is no distinction between “spiritual” and secular in Islam.

It is a totalitarian ideology.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 8:32 am

Oi, you lot, don’t come in our direction!

Egypt Tries to Prevent Mass Exodus From Gaza Strip (10 Oct)

Egypt is moving to prevent a mass exodus from the Gaza Strip into its Sinai Peninsula, as Israeli bombardments halted crossings at the only exit point from the Palestinian enclave on Tuesday, Gaza officials and Egyptian security sources said.

Israel’s assault on Gaza has caused alarm in Egypt, which has urged Israel to provide safe passage for civilians from the enclave rather than encouraging them to flee southwest towards Sinai, two Egyptian security sources said.

Egypt seems to’ve gotten on top of the Sinai insurgency, which was mostly claimed by ISIS, and I suspect they really don’t want another bunch of homicidal maniacs to have to deal with.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 11, 2023 8:33 am

As a…

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 8:35 am

From shatterzzz’s link:

all these poor folk just wanting to be left in peace but being harrassed and bombed for no real reason . . sad!

Yeah, but videos show you partying your asses off on 9 Oct, shooting guns in the air, celebrating your great “victory”, handing out sweets to the kiddies, etc..

So, sucks to be you.

The border to Sinai is that way –> get walking.

shatterzzz
October 11, 2023 8:36 am

Take the “I’m happy” Lakemba imam who sounded more like Russell Crowe with his “Tonight we dine in hell”

The same bloke who introduced Luigi to the brethren at Lakemba mosque last Friday ..
Also a bloke who luvs being photoed with his “celebrity & sports maaates” ..
Lotza internet pix of him being glad-handed and grovelled too online …………!

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 11, 2023 8:41 am

Today, I wake and I’m even more disgusted/sickened with the murders of Israelis civilians.

If it is possible, I am even more angry at the apologists of these murders of women and children.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 8:41 am

Zatara

I’m no expert on police matters, but wouldn’t it have been more efficient and mindful of public safety to arrest the bustards on the spot rather than playing chase the rat games now? Especially when their cop protectors were standing right there when they broke the law.

Snatching individuals form a hostile crowd of up to 1000 would have risked a riot. Getting them one at a time from their homes or workplaces might be less fraught with the risk of violence, albeit harder to do for large numbers.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 8:41 am

It’s incredible.

Steve Dribbler watches the war like he’s watching a cartoon but refuses to condemn “let’s not kill anymore children” Andrew Tate, who is obviously shilling for Hamas.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 8:44 am

What can you reasonably offer Hamas?

Cremation so that they can finally be a useful part of the land?

Muddy
Muddy
October 11, 2023 8:45 am

I repeat my comment of last night about the undesirability of complimenting the enemy by using their chosen name. I’m writing of h@m@s of course.

Using a (clever) derogatory alternative does not absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

Why give this reptilian breed (h/t Dr. Faustus?) a pat on their scaly backs by addressing their existence respectfully? How might they have addressed their unarmed victims prior to inflicting a torturous death?

On a voluntary basis, amongst ourselves, one of the few things we stunned & distant observers can do is control the language we use. In the greater scheme, it will change nothing, of course, but I refuse to act politely in any form towards such monstrous entities.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 11, 2023 8:49 am

If ground penetrating radar can show up all the underground aquifers in the river Nile, why can’t it detect tunnels?

It probably could, as could other geophysical techniques, such as resistivity. The problems for all of this is the relatively small size of a tunnel and the shallowness.

The size means whatever survey you used would have to be closely spaced to detect the anomaly (the tunnel) – with line spacing comparable to the width of the tunnel. It also means ground survey, rather than airborne.

Not sure how that would work out in terms of logistics and military control of the area being surveyed.

The shallowness means that the tunnels are likely driven through broken and non homogenous ground. Under these conditions the return signal is likely to be confused and difficult to discriminate.

bons
bons
October 11, 2023 8:50 am

The Lakemba imman broke a truck load of laws as well as acting in a manner antithetical to Australian morality.

Bluntly, he is a disgusting pig who acts illegaly.

The fact that he is still at large demonstrates that the threat (even latent threat) of violance which is a favoured muzzie tactic in democracies is entirely effective.

Razey
Razey
October 11, 2023 8:51 am

Major changes coming to payments in Australia as shift to digital continues

The end game is to be able to de-bank anyone who disagrees with the ‘government’.

MatrixTransform
October 11, 2023 8:51 am

dotty, is the Cat OT a struggle session?

… would make a lot of sense if it was

Indolent
Indolent
October 11, 2023 8:55 am
Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 8:55 am

It is for Dribbler, yes.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 8:56 am

Snatching individuals form a hostile crowd of up to 1000 would have risked a riot.

True. But halting the march and standing up in front of them with a bullhorn quite literally reading them the riot act would have given fair warning and enforcing the law of no marching without a permit would have either solved the whole thing before it got started or caused the riot ‘we had to have’.

Instead they enabled the law breakers and reinforced the idea that they are powerful enough to do what they want regardless. I’d wager my last dollar that instead they were given the “go ahead but be nice” signal from the cops or their highers.

If cops can’t or are unwilling to enforce the law (except against the law abiding) it’s high time the public knows that.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 8:56 am

Zatara

It’s also very difficult to imagine how those AFG weapons and ammunition would have gotten smuggled from AFG into Gaza so fast.

It’s two years since the Afghanistan defeat. A camel train could have covered the distance in that time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 8:57 am

The end game is to be able to de-bank anyone who disagrees with the ‘government’.

Debanking? Nah they would never do such a thing.

Report: Canada Froze Bank Accounts, Bitcoin Wallets Belonging of 800+ Protesters Including Freedom Convoy (10 Oct)

Betcha those terrorism supporters at the Opera House don’t get debanked. Funny how it only happens to people who aren’t special.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 8:57 am

Good to see the tater tot bait has worked too.

“Err, I’ll condemn Hamas as far as it stops criticism, but Andrew Tate is right, Israel should give peace a chance after suffering a massive terrorist attack from a rogue state”

Indolent
Indolent
October 11, 2023 8:58 am
Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 9:02 am

Crossie

Snap re the weapons left in Afghanistan.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:03 am

IMF:

‘Australia has highest rate of “mortgage stress” in the world.’

Punching above our weight again.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 9:04 am

Daniel Greenfield:

Immigration Made Australia a Tolerant Place Where Muslims Chant “Gas the Jews” Outside the Sydney Opera House (10 Oct)

Immigration was supposed to make Australia a more multicultural and tolerant place. It’s not working out as planned.

Yeah, we noticed.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 9:05 am

Vicki
Oct 11, 2023 8:12 AM
Kfar Aza had to be the new touchstone for the personification of evil.

A modern Lidice, perpetrated by modern Nazis.

Suck sh1t, mUnty.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 11, 2023 9:08 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 11, 2023 9:08 am

The fact that he is still at large demonstrates that the threat (even latent threat) of violance which is a favoured muzzie tactic in democracies is entirely effective.

There is a crossover population size where this happens and the latent threat of violence controls government behaviour (see Europe over the past 40-50 years for multiple case studies).

In liberal democracies this results in no-go areas and ‘community policing strategies’ designed to minimise the social consequences of easily roused rage.

For those in the activist business, this is a rich avenue of upward control of the host community.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 9:09 am

duncanm
Oct 11, 2023 8:30 AM
ABC wailing about damage in Gaza.

In the true spirit of amity, Their (Hamarse) ABC should donate half of their budget for each of the next five years to Gaza reconstruction.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:11 am

‘PM tears up: “There’s no alternative.”‘

If you’ve no alternative you’ll be resigning on Sunday, right?

Let someone else have a go.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 9:12 am

If cops can’t or are unwilling to enforce the law (except against the law abiding) it’s high time the public knows that.

The public knows this already.

All the Rum Plod did on Monday night was reinforce it.

They gave safe passage to the enemy.

Indolent
Indolent
October 11, 2023 9:12 am

The US is laying the groundwork for reinstating the draft. What does that say for the outlook for peace. As has indisputably been demonstrated in Ukraine, they want war.

utopian thinking goes to war

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 9:12 am

THis is what the IMF, RBA etc should be worried about.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/mortgage-stress-yet-to-bite-but-1-3-million-on-borrowed-time-20230622-p5dimk.html

A large cohort of borrowers who locked in very low fixed rates face a big increase in debt repayments once their deals expire. This is known as the “fixed rate mortgage cliff” – about 880,000 borrowers will be affected throughout 2023 followed by another 450,000 in 2024.

It would really be starting up now. Fixed mortgages were offered below 2.5% up until about October 2022.

My prediction: PAIN.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 9:13 am

‘PM tears up: “There’s no alternative.”‘

Good. Then pi55 off, Trot.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 9:13 am

It’s two years since the Afghanistan defeat. A camel train could have covered the distance in that time.

Here are a number of videos of the terrorists. But not a US weapon to be seen. Plenty of AK-47 variants, RPGs, etc. but no M-16s, M-4s, M-60s, M-203s, M-240s, LAAWs…

Perhaps other videos show them? If not it’s a moot point.

Tom
Tom
October 11, 2023 9:16 am

If cops can’t or are unwilling to enforce the law (except against the law abiding) it’s high time the public knows that.

In my opinion, the entire Australian security state — from state police forces up to and including ASIO — is now on the side of Middle Eastern terrorists.

In particular, the NSW police force is one of Hamas’s useful idiots abroad in protecting Australia’s wannabe Islamic terrorists in Sydney.

Sydney residents should now have zero confidence that their police force will protect them from terrorists: wokeness has propelled the police force backwards since the Lindt Cafe terrorist siege.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 11, 2023 9:17 am

Zatara

enforcing the law of no marching without a permit would have either solved the whole thing before it got started or caused the riot ‘we had to have’.

I was unaware until yesterday that the demonstration did NOT have a permit. The police should have stood in a line in front of them, with horses in support (good enough for grannies unhappy about COVID restrictions, good enough for unauthorised demonstrations). and ordered them to disperse. If they failed to do so, then start the arrests, and continue them until morale, sorry, compliance improved.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 9:21 am

then start the arrests, and continue them until morale, sorry, compliance improved.

Completely agree.

If not now, when?

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:23 am

Minns has reportedly denied permission for a second pro-Hamas demonstration.

NSW police will have no excuses now.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 11, 2023 9:23 am

UK-based research group forecasts the nation will vote No by 61 per cent to the Yes campaign’s 39 per cent at Saturday’s referendum after polling 4,500 Australians and modelling the outcome in every seat.

Presented with eight possible reasons to vote No, 18 per cent of participants ranked ‘there are other things, like the cost of living, that need fixing first in Australia’ as their primary reason.

A further 19 per cent said it was their secondary reason to vote No, while another 19 per cent said it was their third reason – meaning 56 per cent of No voters in total consider it one of their top three reasons.

Daily Mail

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 11, 2023 9:24 am
Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 9:26 am

I’ve just run into a prominent person who writes for the Oz. We often have lively chinwags when we run into each other (he likes my rants), but this morning I told him I was quite depressed about what has happened, and particularly so that I’m no longer safe in my own city, having been duly informed of this by the NSW police and government.

I told him what I witnessed on Monday morning at Town Hall, and he told me what he witnessed on Monday night, he was attending a function in offices, and they heard and saw the commotion of the Nazis walking down to the Opera House, and those Nazis were being personally escorted down to the Opera House by the NSW police.

This is exactly what happened at Pell’s funeral, when the far-left scum were personally escorted past the cathedral doors by NSW police.

I can’t find the words to express my outrage.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 11, 2023 9:27 am

James Morrow:

Lighting the sails of the Opera House after a far-away tragedy has become a sort of civic ritual.

It may not do anything to help people practically, but it is an act that sends the message that we as a city are on the victims’ side.

Of course, the point is missed if the community affected is told to stay away from the Opera House lest their very presence cause trouble and make them victims themselves.

Yet to Sydney’s great shame, and the shame of the Minns government, on Monday night NSW Police told Jews to stay away from Sydney’s most internationally iconic structure when it was lit up in the colours of the Israeli flags to show solidarity after the weekend’s horrific terrorist attacks. Why?

Because a group of thugs, whom the cops allowed to set off flares and scream “f..k the Jews”, wanted to vent their bile on the forecourt of the Opera House.

What a terrible message to send to the city and the world.

Think about it.

As Israelis were being slaughtered and fighting for their right to live in peace in the Middle East, Jews in a country that took in so many of their number after the Holocaust were told by NSW Police to stay locked up and out of sight to prevent trouble.

This would be the same police force that appeared to have made no arrests of pro-Palestine screamers but who did earlier in the evening forcibly manhandle a counter-demonstrator with an Israeli flag away from Town Hall, lest he provoke the mob.

What message does that send about who can speak and who cannot, and to whom the rules do and do not apply and ultimately who gets, in practice, to make them?

What could Chris Minns, whose instincts are normally very common sense (think mobile phone bans in schools, restoration of speed camera signs, that sort of thing), have been thinking?

At the very least Minns and his police minster, Yasmin Catley, should be made to explain just why Jews and anyone else who wanted to attend the lighting of the sails for a moment of quiet reflection and solidarity could not be kept safe.

Sadly, the answers are not likely to be pretty.

Nor are some of the other questions that must be asked.

Questions like, did the government and police leadership fear public confrontation with potentially violent meatheads who came out to celebrate – let’s be really clear here – the mass slaughter, torture, kidnapping, and rape of innocent civilians by Hamas terrorists?

It’s not hard to put one’s self in the boots of frontline cops forced to watch Monday night’s display and stand stoically in the face of wanton lawbreaking (lighting flares and religious vilification, among other things, being illegal in NSW).

How demoralising.

Likewise, did the Minns government not want to get off-side with Lebanese-Australian and other western Sydney communities where local leaders have praised Hamas’s actions?

If so, what a way to undermine the logic of official multiculturalism, and force to the forefront questions about just how much tolerance really exists when you scratch the surface of this gorgeous mosaic.

And then there is this: Did the Minns government want to avoid provoking further outcry from the Greens on their left flank who have taken the side of the Palestinians?

One of the weirdest features of modern politics must be the alliance between radical urban Greens and the Palestinian cause.

After all, the Greens stand for the rights of every sexual minority under the sun and view traditional religion with all the enthusiasm of a vampire for garlic.

Meanwhile in Palestine, gays are thrown off rooftops and one of the biggest supporters of the cause is homophobic, theocratic Iran.

Hatred of the West sure makes for strange bedfellows.

Yet anyone who spent time on social media Monday saw the way the Greens hive-mind seemed to coalesce around support for Palestine and table-thumping outrage at any expressions of support for Israel.

Newtown Greens MP Jenny Leong – to take one example of many – blasted the federal Labor government for condemning Hamas and the state Labor government for lighting up the Operea House in support of the Jewish state.

After Defence Secretary Richard Marles tweeted about the “unprovoked attacks from Hamas militants” (again, they’re terrorists, but we’ll give him a pass), Leong went off.

“Unprovoked?! This is a disgraceful statement from Defence Minister Richard Marles. It is also appalling that tonight the Opera House will be lit up in support of Israel – what about all of the Palestinian lives lost since occupation?”, she tweeted.

“Apparently lighting up the Aust(ralian) Parliament and Sydney Opera House in support of those bombing Palestinian people in Gaza into oblivion is legit. Disgraceful to see political leaders fail to recognise the complexity and reality of this human rights and humanitarian crisis.”

When the unspeakable brutality of Hamas, which is on display for anyone to see who cares to look, is blurred into “complexity”, we are in strange times.

When Jews are told not to gather on the Opera House forecourt in solidarity, I fear, we are in dark ones as well.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 11, 2023 9:31 am

If it is possible, I am even more angry at the apologists of these murders of women and children.

Like the Greens?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 11, 2023 9:34 am

Luckily, the UN is taking strong measures:

Commission of Inquiry collecting evidence of war crimes committed by all sides in Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories since 7 October 2023

Reports that armed groups from Gaza have gunned down hundreds of unarmed civilians are abhorrent and cannot be tolerated. Taking civilian hostages and using civilians as human shields are war crimes.

The Commission is gravely concerned with Israel’s latest attack on Gaza and Israel’s announcement of a complete siege on Gaza involving the withholding of water, food, electricity and fuel which will undoubtfully cost civilian lives and constitutes collective punishment.

The Commission is intent on ensuring legal accountability, including individual criminal and command responsibility. To that end, the Commission is committed to investigating current events and identifying those responsible for violations of international law on all sides, both those directly committing international crimes and those in positions of command responsibility. It will continue sharing information collected with the relevant judicial authorities, especially with the International Criminal Court, where the Office of the Prosecutor has already commenced an investigation on the situation of Palestine since 2021.

I suspect that the baby killers will now be shitting themselves at the prospect of having to face the International Criminal Court.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 11, 2023 9:35 am

Minns has reportedly denied permission for a second pro-Hamas demonstration.
I doubt this ever happened.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 11, 2023 9:36 am

Hamas terrorists burned Jewish children alive. There are no words to describe these atrocities.

As posted earlier, I can’t see the I.D.F. being too interested in taking prisoners, or accepting surrenders in the Gaza Strip.

“Just don’t shoot them in front of any news cameras.”

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:39 am

I doubt this ever happened.

Police apparently have the application in hand.

1PM Sunday at Town Hall according to the organisers on Facebook.

“More to come.”

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 11, 2023 9:42 am

DrF summary execution is the only response, International Criminal Court is just like the UN, a gravy train.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 11, 2023 9:45 am

All this talk of protests without a permit and unsavoury things said at said protest is short sighted – the real point is that citizens MUST be free to (peacefully) assemble and MUST be allowed to say their piece. That some of them say things we dont want to hear is the price we pay for freedom. Free speech isnt free if we restrict speech we dont like.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 11, 2023 9:45 am

Minns in the Oz just now:

He said pro-Palestinian protestors would not be allowed to take to the streets again, with further rallies planned for this weekend.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:45 am

Peer reviewed study published this month in New Microbes and New Infections finds a significant reduction in mortality rates for covid patients given low doses of HCQ.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 11, 2023 9:46 am

Seems there’s a second pro- Palestinian protest planned in Melbourne .

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 9:47 am

This would be the same police force that appeared to have made no arrests of pro-Palestine screamers but who did earlier in the evening forcibly manhandle a counter-demonstrator with an Israeli flag away from Town Hall, lest he provoke the mob.

Morrow may have got this wrong.

Rev. Leach was at the Town Hall and waved the Israeli flag. He was chased by Islamist goons and ran in fear of his life. He was offered assistance by police, who had little other choice given the circumstances.

The gentleman who waved the flag at the Opera House (Mark Spiro) was arrested and taken away by police to “keep the peace”. He was later released.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:48 am

All this talk of protests without a permit and unsavoury things said at said protest is short sighted – the real point is that citizens MUST be free to (peacefully) assemble and MUST be allowed to say their piece.

Advocating violence is not, and never has been, an acceptable use of free speech.

That some of them say things we dont want to hear is the price we pay for freedom. Free speech isnt free if we restrict speech we dont like.

See Popper’s paradox of freedom.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 9:50 am

Both men named Mark – shining, polite, hammer, brave

They lived up to their parents’ choice.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 11, 2023 9:51 am

Minns has reportedly denied permission for a second pro-Hamas demonstration.

Do we really want to live in a society where the government is the final arbiter of who can protest?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 11, 2023 9:52 am

Remember the motto of the UN:

“By the time we turn up, everyone’s dead”

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 11, 2023 9:52 am

Hmmm. Well, I sit corrected.
Get back to me when they identify some of the hate-speeching ‘roid boys amongst the sociology students, and pick them out for cuffing.

calli
calli
October 11, 2023 9:53 am

That some of them say things we dont want to hear is the price we pay for freedom.

Sure, duk.

Until an angry mob gees itself up with things “we don’t want to hear”, marches off quite freely and attacks the innocent.

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 9:53 am

“If it is possible, I am even more angry at the apologists of these murders of women and children.”

Umm…yes…..as am I. I think Melanie Phillips has said it best in a piece she’s uploaded in the last 24 hours….

‘A community forged in pain’

Murdered at their home on Kibbutz Nir Or: Yonatan and Tamar Kedem and their children, Sharar and Arbel, 6, and Omer, 4. May their memory be a blessing.

I am in Israel, where the sense of collective grief, horror and anxiety is off the scale. The situation that unfolded last Saturday is beyond the worst Israeli nightmare.

As thousands of missiles were fired into Israel from Gaza, around one thousand Hamas terrorists stormed across the border fence and attacked communities in towns, villages and kibbutzim across the south of the country.

Their aim was the mass murder of Israeli civilians. They went from house to house slaughtering the occupants and burning down their homes.

They gunned people down in their cars; they killed elderly men and women and small children; they hacked one Israeli to death with an axe. At an open-air music festival, armed paragliders mowed down at least 260 young people who were raked with gunfire as they ran for their lives.

Women were raped and burned alive; the bodies of murdered Israelis paraded around Gaza were stripped naked, spat upon and desecrated; babies were slaughtered in front of their parents; mothers with children in their arms were abducted and swallowed up with others in Gaza’s subterranean infrastructure of terror tunnels to be used as hostages. Their likely fate is unthinkable.

Heartbreaking images are now seared forever into the mind: an elderly, terrified Holocaust survivor being abducted into Gaza without the medication needed to keep her alive; a small Jewish child, alone and bewildered, being tormented on a Gaza street by Palestinian children who are all taught to hate and murder Jews.

Israel has been at war many times. It has experienced many terrorist atrocities and many thousands of rocket attacks.

This was something different. Barbarism and depravity against Jews on this scale hasn’t been experienced since the Holocaust.

In a country that arose from the ashes of that genocide, the spectacle of Jews being dragged from their homes to be slaughtered, raped or captured, with desperate parents throwing themselves on their children to protect them as the parents were murdered, was unspeakable.

This wasn’t just terrorism. This was a pogrom.

At time of writing, the number of those murdered has risen to more than 900, with 2400 wounded and between 100 and 150 being held captive in Gaza. Israel is a tiny country of some nine million people. The equivalent of this toll in Britain would be 6,300 murdered, 16,800 injured and 700-1050 taken hostage.

Because Israel is so small, there’s hardly any family that hasn’t been caught up in this. Most Israelis have children, grandchildren or other relatives who have been called up from this conscript army’s reserves to serve on the front lines.

Hardly anyone doesn’t know of someone who has either been murdered or dragged into the Gaza hellhole. Untold numbers of Israelis are grieving, traumatised or frantic with anxiety about their relatives who have either been killed or are in harm’s way.

And the emergency for the domestic population is still very much on. Twice while writing this piece, I had to leave it and and seek shelter as the air-raid sirens started once again to wail, followed by the boom of the anti-missile Iron Dome intercepting (I hoped) more bunches of rockets aimed at Jerusalem.

More alarmingly, an unknown number of Hamas infiltrators are still at large. We’ve been told to keep off the streets wherever possible. Schools and many cafes and restaurants are shut. People are too frightened to travel to work.

We have other terrors. There’s the fear that a second, even more devastating front may open up in southern Lebanon, where Iran’s proxy army Hezbollah has installed some 150,000 missiles which can reach the whole of Israel.

These missiles, some of which have already been fired, have been sited (as in Gaza) among homes, schools and hospitals, with the Hezbollah using Lebanese civilians as human shields against any attempt by Israel to destroy the terror infrastructure.

And there are fears that a third front may also open up among the Iran-radicalised Palestinian Arabs of the “West Bank”, cheek by jowl alongside central Israel’s communities.

Yesterday, the IDF’s Home Front command released instructions telling Israelis to make sure they are stocked up on food and water for at least 72 hours. It advised that safe rooms be stocked with water, non-perishable food, flashlights, batteries, phones and battery-powered radios along with mobile charger banks, first aid and other essentials. This is the clearest signal that the war may soon become far more devastating still for the civilian population.

Despite or because of this, there’s a tremendous and uplifting feeling of camaraderie here, a real sense of “we’re all in this together and we’ll get through it, whatever lies ahead”.

People are queueing to donate blood, volunteering in hospitals and on army bases, or cooking batches of food to send to the young conscript army now facing untold peril on the front lines.

The horrors that we’ve all seen have brought people together. Everyone is looking after each other. And with so much to cause grief or dread, so many at present need that support. This is a community forged in pain, as well as hope.

Our anxieties are compounded by what we all know. We all know that the real enemy we are facing in this onslaught is Hamas’s paymaster, Iran.

We all know that the Biden administration’s unconscionable appeasement and funding of both Iran and the Palestinians helped facilitate this pogrom.

We all know that the nine-month internal Israeli battle over the composition and policies of the Netanyahu government weakened Israel and advertised this vulnerability to its foes.

We all know that the Palestinian Arabs’ century-old war of extermination against the Jewish homeland has been sanitised, encouraged and further incentivised by western liberals, who spread the Palestinians’ lies about Israel and for whom Jewish victimhood gets in the way of the “progressive” narrative of Israeli “oppression” and Palestinian “resistance”.

I divide my time between Jerusalem and London. But at present I wouldn’t want to be anywhere other than in Israel, sharing this latest seismic development in the destiny of the eternal people.

Jews are well integrated, deeply committed citizens of western countries, to the credit of all concerned. Most British Jews wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.

But our history as Jews teaches us that not only is our Jewish identity formed by living as one people alone; we fight as one people alone, and we die as one people alone. We have no other choice. The world has made it so.”

It is the progressive left across the West who’ve enabled these Nazis.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 11, 2023 9:55 am

See Popper’s paradox of freedom

Libertarian philosophy addresses this – dont hurt people, dont take their stuff – UNLESS they do it to you…..

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 9:56 am

“The gentleman who waved the flag at the Opera House (Mark Spiro) was arrested and taken away by police to “keep the peace”. He was later released.

calli, Spiro was also at Town Hall where he was arrested.

Zatara
Zatara
October 11, 2023 9:56 am

From Dot’s link:

Trees may remind African Americans of lynching, slavery

How odd then that they don’t remind whites of that at all.

Between 1882 and 1968 there were approximately 4743 people lynched in the US. It’s true that 3446 of them were blacks, but 1297 of them were white. Not all involved hanging and contrary to popular lore, these lynchings took place throughout the US, not just in the southern states.

Alas, it’s no longer surprising to find supposed centers of higher learning promoting this A-historic feux victim hood.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:57 am

Do we really want to live in a society where the government is the final arbiter of who can protest?

See above.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 11, 2023 9:57 am

Daily Tele poll, in an article about Burney in 2020 saying a Voice to Parliament would be the “vehicle” to negotiate a treaty

How will you vote in the Voice to Parliament referendum ?
Yes 6 %
No 91 %
I’m still undecided 3 %
12,625 votes

Link

bons
bons
October 11, 2023 9:57 am

The Lakemba mob will have trouble fitting in to Sydney center on Sunday. Every fruitloop in the city will be there going off about the Voice being dumped.
Clover is going to be exhausted dashing between photo ops.
Seriously though, you don’t have to be an alarmist to be worried about Sunday, a confluence of lunacy.
Oh, and I forgot the CFMEU Maoris moaning about their pet Government getting the boot.

vr
vr
October 11, 2023 9:58 am

This is heartbreaking.

Eylon Levy
@EylonALevy
On my way to the funeral of a young Brazilian woman murdered at the music festival. A message went out urging strangers to attend, because she has barely any family here. There’s a 2km line snaking out of the entrance of the cemetery and I doubt we’ll make it.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 9:59 am

Libertarian philosophy addresses this – dont hurt people, dont take their stuff – UNLESS they do it to you…..

If that’s their answer they’ve entirely missed the point.

Dot
Dot
October 11, 2023 10:01 am

Peer reviewed study published this month in New Microbes and New Infections finds a significant reduction in mortality rates for covid patients given low doses of HCQ.

Well, it’s good we knew about this in a timely fashion.

Roger
Roger
October 11, 2023 10:07 am

Well, it’s good we knew about this in a timely fashion.

At least it got published!

Thanks to Elsevier.

The covid narrative is being deconstructed one lie at a time.

Cassie of Sydney
October 11, 2023 10:07 am

Screaming “gas the Jews” is not free speech.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 11, 2023 10:09 am

Last November, Russia introduced a motion in the UN, to “Oppose Nazism”.
Led by our intellectually challenged PM and vile Foreign Minister, Australia abstained.

This, is where we are, in 2022, the Australian Govt, cannot bring itself to support a motion, to oppose Nazism.

After the unforgivable atrocities committed on the weekend and the lack of compassion shown by virtually every deadsh*t piece of garbage, representing Labor and the Greens,(but the despicable Bowen and Burke in particular), the UN vote now becomes more understandable.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 11, 2023 10:10 am

Universities are offering Indigenous staff and students to apply for special consideration for their assignments and time off due to a rise in emotional trauma from the Voice to parliament referendum.

In a letter sent to staff on Monday, University of Melbourne Deputy Vice Chancellor (Indigenous) Barry Judd said Indigenous students are allowed to apply for special consideration for specific exams or assessments.

The university has also implemented special leave provisions for Indigenous staff for the remainder of 2023, with managers and supervisors asked to recognise the “burden” requests for commentary on the referendum has imposed on staff.

Such support will be available for students and graduate researchers struggling with trauma associated with the referendum until the end of the examination period on November 17.

Herald-Sun

Incredibly paternalistic virtue-signalling, suggesting Aboriginal people are in some way lesser:

Will see if the Herald-Sun publish that as a comment.

Arky
October 11, 2023 10:11 am

Rufus T Firefly
Oct 11, 2023 10:09 AM
Last November, Russia introduced a motion in the UN, to “Oppose Nazism”.

..
I’m sure they were genuine and sincere.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 11, 2023 10:12 am

Screaming “gas the Jews” is not free speech.
Yep, but it’s incitement to violence, and that’s a crime, so having just enough belief in free speech is a useful bait. If only we had a police force willing to collar the crims eh?

  1. Lizzie, unfortunately our recent American guests (from Seattle) were incorrigible Democrats. But they also are in despair re their country…

  2. There were conservative posters back before he was first elected. They said “New Labour, New Danger”.

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