Open Thread – Mon 16 Oct 2023


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Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 8:25 am

(The German king of words is aufgeben).

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 8:27 am

On the cheating Alinta’s majestic win according to Toytown news was all down to Marsh and Zampa. No mention of the cheating houso ranga or Sooky McSookface.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 17, 2023 8:29 am

Waleed Aly says Voice referendum was too ‘complicated’ for ‘less educated’ Australians to understand

more like ‘so transparently dangerous only the educated would fall for it’

Change that to “… only the credentialled …”. They have paper credentials from universities. They are NOT educated.

start at 2:15, this is the commoner reaction vs the elitist reaction for ‘the voice’

Megan
Megan
October 17, 2023 8:35 am

Auto-correct has become incoherent.

When it’s married to the Samsung glide function it’s a recipe for an especially unreadable version of babblespeak.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 17, 2023 8:35 am

Great commentary Lizzie. We were mostly imprssed with the food on Viking recently on our Med cruise. The buffet was 3.5 to 4 stars, we thought, and their two speciality restaurants 4.5. The everyday sit-down restaurant though had a few failings – hot plates being one of them. Not hot enough that is.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 8:36 am

Disable it. Own your tippos.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 8:38 am

They need to get out of the inner city and connect with the vast majority of our voters in the suburbs and regions. Good political advice should be grounded in the real world experience of Australians who sometimes struggle to pay the bills.”

Could be talking about the ALPBC.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 8:39 am

Sailing Viking on the Elbe in December. Do I need my detachable plaits and horned helmet for formal nights? 😀

Definitely going to pillage the Christmas markets.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 17, 2023 8:44 am

Cue jokes:

Australian mining magnate Clive Palmer’s $40M superyacht stranded off Singapore coast

The Australian billionaire’s boat appears to have become stuck in shallow water off the coast of Singapore.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 8:44 am

The Left is starting to notice climate scams.

The New Yorker: ‘The Great Cash-for-Carbon Hustle’ – ‘The market’s largest offsetting firm sold millions of credits for carbon reductions that weren’t real’ (16 Oct)

They haven’t realized yet that the whole thing is a scam entirely, and that every component part is a scam – like renewables being cheapest (they aren’t), EV’s being green (they’re worse than ICE cars), or biofuels being carbon neutral (they’re as bad or worse than petrol).

Still I suppose some awareness is better than none. It’ll be interesting to see what the ESG companies do, since they can’t now ever achieve net-zero without committing corporate suicide. Hopefully they’ll give it away and go back to being actual businesses rather than woke cathedrals.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 17, 2023 8:47 am

What’s in it for them, given it’s electoral poison?

The sheer amount of captured patronage, an entirely unaccountable bloatoctacy to spike the wheels of any policy they don’t like and Luigi gets his Gough moment.

” Caberrahh will grow larger”

https://youtu.be/bJe7wGUMyTo?si=U4lbmfMSFukSg4rI

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 8:53 am

Razey
Oct 17, 2023 6:51 AM
Now. How do we stop all this treaty bullshit? Fake Aboriginals want us to be their serfs by the sounds. Surely this treaty crap can’t be legal.!

We already are their serfs, the $40B per year could ease a lot of problems in suburbia but no, it must go to the aboriginal aristocracy.

Makka
Makka
October 17, 2023 8:54 am

Don’t you give up on this Dutton. Get on every media outlet you can pushing for The Audit;

The Coalition’s push for an audit of government spending on Indigenous Australians is set to fail, with Labor, the Greens and senator David Pocock opposed.

Even the independent senator, Lidia Thorpe, who has backed a more limited review of the “governance processes of organisations that are meant to represent” First Nations people, has distanced herself from the Coalition’s call for a broader review of all spending.

– Guardian.

Indolent
Indolent
October 17, 2023 8:54 am
Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 8:55 am

Top Ender
Oct 17, 2023 8:44 AM
Cue jokes:

Australian mining magnate Clive Palmer’s $40M superyacht stranded off Singapore coast

The Australian billionaire’s boat appears to have become stuck in shallow water off the coast of Singapore.

OK, here goes. Clive could hop off until the yacht refloats.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 17, 2023 8:55 am

Our political class work for foreign interests. Like so many things – you vote against it and get it anyway.

Correct, this is proof that we have ‘rulers’ not ‘representatives’ in Canberra/

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 17, 2023 8:56 am

calli

Oct 17, 2023 7:21 AM

Great. A member of the CBA board is a Hamas shill.

PR Guy.
Not director.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 8:57 am

calli Oct 17, 2023 7:42 AM
Not just Elbow…we now have wall-to-wall Labor states, some Premier’s already making mouth movements about implementing a state-based “Voice”.

What’s in it for them, given it’s electoral poison?

I thank thee for the excellent question. I don’t know.

Maybe it is part of training the electorate, to vote correctly.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
October 17, 2023 8:58 am

I said on the day after the horrendous attack on Israel, that things do not add up.

At least 2,000 Hamas individuals crossed the border into Israel.
Hamas said they fired 5,000 missiles into Israel, the IDF said was only 2,000.
This was no small undertaking, yet it was totally missed by the intelligence networks of Israel and Uncle Sam.
Additionally, Egypt, said early on, that they warned Israel of “something big”.
Yet, no action was taken.
I make no accusations here, but Bibi, who was under some pressure three weeks ago, is no longer under as much pressure, is he?

On the day of the horror attack, the US said they would send a Carrier Battle Group to assist Israel. (On Sat).
This force arrived on the following Tues.
So, in three days, all maintenance on the ships was completed, all ammunition, fuel and food was loaded AND all the personnel were called from leave, THEN, they sailed to Israel, ALL IN THREE DAYS!
Are we all good with that?
The barking puppy that is the UK, has also stated that they will send ships and reconnaisance aircraft, to “assist Israel” in its fight against Hamas.

Does Israel really need the US and the UK, to defeat Hamas? Obviously not.
Should the aim however, be war with Iran, well, ……..

Anyone, with an IQ higher than a brick, can see that this action would be a complete disaster. (Forget Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Ukraine, “this time it will work”).

Regrettably, that qualification is a higher standard than Sullivan, Blinken, Bolton, Kirby, Lloyd Austin III and Sunak, can achieve.

Indolent
Indolent
October 17, 2023 8:59 am
Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 9:01 am

Miltonf
Oct 17, 2023 7:10 AM
I think anal and his pubic pals in Canbra will be looking for revenge against the electorate. Remember we are not dealing with normal decent people.

That’s why we are getting Target Zero good and hard, instead of no soup for us it will be no electricity for us.

The pronouncements of proceeding with the state based Voices is another way of apportioning most of that $40B, soon to be $50B, to the “right” groups.

I feel NT aboriginal communities who voted mostly NO will also be punished, they will be beaten into knowing their place. No soup for them either in the way of supporting their women and children.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 17, 2023 9:04 am

Waleed Aly says Voice referendum was too ‘complicated’ for ‘less educated’ Australians to understand

Complicated?
What happened to “modesht proposhal”?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 17, 2023 9:04 am

Disable it. Own your tippos.

jolly god.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 17, 2023 9:04 am

More phuckwittery. Herald Sun

ABC star Tom Bollard has unleashed at a woman he met in a pub who voted “No” in the Voice referendum, saying her position caused him “absolute rage”

Supporters of the Indigenous Voice to Parliament are still reeling after it was rejected in a resounding, brutal loss at the weekend.

There have been emotional reactions from passionate Yes voters across the country since Saturday night when the results of the referendum showed Australia overwhelmingly voted against changing the constitution.

But some Australians, likely to 60 per cent who voted against it, were pleased with the result.

Speaking on his podcast Serious Danger – which he co-hosts with former Greens candidate Emerald Moon – the comedian said he was out for dinner with his boyfriend and friends on Saturday when the defeat was called.

“I saw an elderly woman (at the pub) her son was on his phone, he looked up and said they’ve called it, it’s a no,” Ballard said.

“And she broke out into a smile and gave a double thumbs up. And I just … I cannot understand what’s going on in that person’s mind.”

In footage of the podcast recording, his co-host Moon shook her head at the story and chimed in, saying: “Yeah, what have you just gained? What does this mean for you personally?”

“Why are you so happy?” Ballard continued.

“And why can’t you give a skerrick of consideration for what this means for other people, particularly when those people include the most marginalised community in our society?”

The former Triple J Breakfast presenter admitted he had “a very uncharitable series of thoughts seeing that” reaction from the woman.

“It was a real f***ing bummer.”

In the full podcast recording, the pair joked that the woman “was not a progressive no voter” who would argue they “care about Aboriginal people” and “don’t see colour”.

“But even the conservative No takes that line … ‘no it’s because I care about Aboriginal people, ‘OurIndigenous people’ as these people like to say, ‘Our Indigenous Australians’,” Moon added.

“I don’t even see Indigenous people,” Ballard joked.

“Yeah, ‘I don’t see colour’,” Moon quipped back.

The pair had a lengthy discussion about the result, how Australians voted, and why the referendum ultimately failed – which they concluded was because of general disinterest in politics

“I think, yes, the vast majority of white Australia would see that this – that an Indigenous Voice to Parliament – is nothing to do with them and so they have no interest in voting for it,” Moon said.

“I was thinking that if Australians had a choice, like if Australians had a ‘No’ option on the ballot paper at a general election they’d probably choose it.”

Article then had a little bit about Albo on Saturday night then recommences with this:

Nooky, a proud Yuin and Thunghutti man, said in a statement on-air at the start of the show that he felt he had “let down” his Elders and future generations with the result.

“Last night was the most overt, unconcealed manifestation of racism I’ve ever experienced in my whole life,” he said.

“Yesterday they (Australia) said our pain and our suffering continues. The disadvantage and the inequality continues. But so does our love, our happiness, our strength and our pride.”

In relation to Tom Bollard, I wouldn’t think he is joking when he says he doesn’t even see Aboriginal people. At all. Doesn’t speak to them, hang out for a beer.
The former Greens candidate the same. Darling, those electorates with the highest number of black fellas voted no. Hadley yesterday went through them.
As for, er, Nooky, give it a spell. Or piss off.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 17, 2023 9:05 am

Israel told Zelensky not to visit – media

Netanyahu’s officials reportedly informed the Ukrainian president that “the time is not right”

Bushkid
Bushkid
October 17, 2023 9:05 am

They need to get out of the inner city and connect with the vast majority of our voters in the suburbs and regions. Good political advice should be grounded in the real world experience of Australians who sometimes struggle to pay the bills.”

It beggars belief that this even needs to be said.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 9:07 am

Indolent
Oct 17, 2023 8:58 AM
Pfizer May Go Bankrupt, Financial Markets Realise, as Company’s Value Plummets to Below Pre-Pandemic Level

I hold them responsible for the whole reckless vaccines debacle but they’re going under will imperil the supply of a lot of vital medications. In case of bankruptcy do their patents get sold on or simply expire?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 17, 2023 9:13 am

Waleed Aly says Voice referendum was too ‘complicated’ for ‘less educated’ Australians to understand – after only the most elite suburbs voted Yes

How the Elite Think!

Europe “Shaken” By “Islamist Terrorist Attack” In Brussels; Shooter Still At Large

Update (1730ET): French President Emmanuel Macron said on Monday that Europe had been “shaken” by a “terrorist attack” in Brussels, after two Swedes were killed in a shooting.

“A few minutes ago, Brussels was hit again by an Islamist terrorist attack which apparently, as I speak to you, took the lives of at least two other Europeans, two Swedes,” Macron said during a visit to Tirana, according to AFP.

Perhaps most ironically,

given the comments from various world leaders about this “terrorist” attack by a muslim man, who recorded a video of himself explaining this was to “avenge the Muslims that have died for their religion”,

the Belgian prosecuor has issues a statement that there is ‘no immediate link to Israel-Hamas’.

mem
mem
October 17, 2023 9:13 am

New column: The defeat of the referendum on constitutional recognition is a tragedy for Australia, with no plan to alleviate Indigenous disadvantage and setting back reconciliation, and killing the republic cause for another generation.
@australian
#auspol
Hands up those that thought that the Voice was about becoming a republic?

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:20 am

Hands up those that thought that the Voice was about becoming a republic?

The republic was next on Albanese’s agenda.

He’s managed to kill two birds with one stone.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 17, 2023 9:24 am

The republic was next on Albanese’s agenda.

He’s managed to kill two birds with one stone.

1:35, where Albanese took his inspiration

P
P
October 17, 2023 9:26 am

Patriarch offers himself as exchange for hostages held by Hamas
17 October 2023

Cardinal Pizzaballa has called for a day of prayer and fasting for peace and reconciliation in the Holy Land today, urging Catholics to organise times of prayer with Eucharistic adoration and recitation of the rosary “to deliver to God the Father our thirst for peace, justice, and reconciliation”.

St Mary’s Cathedral in Sydney will offer all Masses today for peace in the Holy Land in response to a Cardinal Pizzaballa’s request.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 9:29 am

Good to see a few new commenters popping up lately. As has been seen, always good to have a diversity of opinions. Maybe skip the night shift.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:29 am

Media full of stories of aboriginal people grieving (they shouldn’t take it personally).

Meanwhile, Elbow’s moved on to Australia’s role in the Pacific.

He was meant to be left holding the baby, but he’s done a runner.

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, I guess.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 17, 2023 9:30 am

Current tally in Queensland: Yes 31%.
When you adjust for the fact that Yes vote was concentrated in the three Green Metro seats, the rest of Queensland is slightly less than 25% Yes.

Politicians stamping around declaring that there are No Lessons to be Learned are relying on Queenslanders being stupid, racist – and Goldfish.

Jorge
Jorge
October 17, 2023 9:30 am

The news agency is quoting Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas’s diaspora office

This office – is it in Qatar ? The location of Hamas leadership group according to one BBC report.

I do hope Mossad has taken note and pays a courtesy call.

Cassie of Sydney
October 17, 2023 9:31 am

Last night on Sky Paul Kelly offered a very good summation of Albo’s Voice disaster.

Kelly said that Albanese truly thought he was the progressive messiah and he truly thought Australians wanted him to implement a “progressive agenda”…..Voice, Republic and so on. It shows what a fool Albanese is, elected on 32%(?) of the vote, a vote that largely consisted of an electoral backlash to a tired Liberal government and an appalling Billy Bunter Scott Morrison. Then Albanese was gifted an extended honeymoon by a compliant partisan media (something never afforded Liberals). He has had a very easy run, now the wheels are falling off and he can’t cope, in fact I suspect he’s angry…which is good, because Australians don’t like nasty angry politicians.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:32 am

Cardinal Pizzaballa…

You couldn’t make that up.

Not quite as good as Cardinal Sin, though.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 17, 2023 9:34 am

Me:
All of those choices have the potential to bring in huge changes in this context. At the time of the ‘99 referendum the polls showed consistent support from the people for a republic – but only the direct election model.

The people’s respect and admiration for the Queen did not overly influence that choice of republic. Though maybe the question was framed as an either/or rather than pro/anti monarchy.

Dot:
I don’t agree. The Queen made the monarchy very popular in a post-modern world and saved it from the damage her idiot sons did. 24 years later, a 9% nationwide change would flip to YES.

I was pointing out that, prior to the vote, the polling questions did not offer a choice to retain the current system. So the question of the place of the Queen/monarchy was irrelevant regarding the model.

At the time I attended a council discussion in which people were grouped into 10-12 to discuss a model for a republic. Finally, a vote of each table was made. I made mine an abstention, which the table’s “leader” did not want to count. I said that even parliament counts abstentions.

Dot:
The monarchy has been VERY unpopular in times excluding after Charles I, such as during George IV’s reign

And then it’s fortunes have turned. Popular monarchs do that. I see that occurring when William ascends the throne. And even now, while the King has some nutty ideas, I think overall he’s starting to endear himself to the people, just like that weird, old uncle that everyone has/had.

And on that repast reference…like bad referendum questions, the hoi polloi can sus out dodgy food establishments. ?

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 9:34 am

Sancho Panzer
Oct 17, 2023 8:56 AM
calli

Oct 17, 2023 7:21 AM

Great. A member of the CBA board is a Hamas shill.

PR Guy.
Not director.

Is it fair to say he’s an executive then? Not just a drone.

That’s what the Australian calls him anyway.

Might have been better for the Bank’s PR if he’d kept his disgusting bias to himself?

Tom
Tom
October 17, 2023 9:35 am

The republic was next on Albanese’s agenda.

Being a radical activist who’s never had a real job, Elbow is using his prime ministership to foist a series of policies on the public that they would never vote for — before the Faceless Men tell him it’s over.

PS: Elbow’s joyriding around the world on our corporate737 is a big “tell”.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 9:36 am

Current tally in Queensland: Yes 31%.
When you adjust for the fact that Yes vote was concentrated in the three Green Metro seats, the rest of Queensland is slightly less than 25% Yes.

And when you factor in the usual ALP fiddling?

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:37 am

It shows what a fool Albanese is…

The bubble boy of Grayndler.

Razey
Razey
October 17, 2023 9:37 am

Kelly said that Albanese truly thought he was the progressive messiah and he truly thought Australians wanted him to implement a “progressive agenda”…..Voice, Republic and so on

The problem is Cass, is that they think that the public thought it didn’t go far enough! The woke neo-Marxists are insane. So now they go full bore on treaties.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 17, 2023 9:38 am

Somebody posted that NSW Premier said will have treaties with 150 groups.

278,000 in census means average group is 1853. For a treaty !

How many lawyers involved and does the Government pay the legal fees for both sides?

It is insane.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 17, 2023 9:40 am

National Suicide In Plain View: Open Border And Sanctuary Policies Continue Unabated

Make no mistake: Recent comments by Pres. Joe Biden and Gov. JB Pritzker seemingly calling for tighter border security are a ruse. No policy change has tightened the border.

Nobody should expect any change from Biden’s true policy, stated above, or that the State of Illinois or City of Chicago will cross him on that policy.

Illegal aliens just since 2021 total more than individual populations of 38 states.

Illegal border crossings set another record in September and now top 8 million since Biden took office.

Double talk is all we are getting from those in power. They care not that an overwhelming number of Americans – 66% – want border enforcement. That includes 61% of Democrats who say they want stronger law enforcement at the border, and two-thirds of Latino voters (65%).

There’s an “acute and immediate need” for a border wall in the Rio Grande Valley, said Biden’s Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas, Oct. 4. Yet Biden said “No” when asked the next day if a border wall was effective in halting illegal immigration, and the supposed construction turned out to be for just 20 miles of wall.

Pritzker claimed success from his request last month for federal help when the Department of Homeland Security said it will speed up the processing of work authorizations for asylum seekers. But the federal government, also with Pritzker’s support, will increase the maximum validity period for work permits to five years for certain noncitizens, including those admitted as refugees or granted asylum, those who have been granted withholding of removal, and applicants for asylum.

DHS will also extend Temporary Protected Status for 18 months to Venezuelan migrants who were living in the U.S. on or before July 31. Illinois and Chicago leaders “rejoiced at the news,” as the Chicago Tribune reported.

In other words, what is given with one hand is taken away with the other.

To Pritzker, border security is just a bargaining chip to get a comprehensive immigration reform, his version of which would no doubt mean normalization and voting rights for those here.

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 9:41 am

I said on the day after the horrendous attack on Israel, that things do not add up.

You disgusting shit. Are you still on the Commonwealth payroll? You glow harder than a radioactive float at the Gay Mardi Gras.

Oh and Lebanon, 1984. Tell us how the US Navy obliterating loonie positions in retaliation for suicide bombings was bad for world peace.

Another total fail from another the brains trust that has luminaries like Wilkie and Morrison.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 9:41 am

ABC star Tom Bollard has unleashed at a woman he met in a pub who voted “No” in the Voice referendum, saying her position caused him “absolute rage”

#respekAllWomen, Tom.

Except the ones you don’t like.

Also, I love the “absolute” rage. AbRag, to go with his bolly and beehive.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 9:42 am

The bubble boy of Grayndler.

Amazing how little life experience you collect as a Commonwealth bank teller. No telling how my life would have changed had I stopped as a NAB graduate trainee.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 9:43 am

And even now, while the King has some nutty ideas, I think overall he’s starting to endear himself to the people, just like that weird, old uncle that everyone has/had.

People feel sorry for Charles having to deal with those horrors Meghan and Harry so they are giving him a pass on his other nuttery.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 9:44 am

The bubble boy of Grayndler.

I read that as the blubby boy of Grayndler.

Balmain boys do cry. Not a pretty sight either.

Razey
Razey
October 17, 2023 9:45 am

Anyone, with an IQ higher than a brick,

LOL. What does this even mean?

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 9:45 am

Meghan Markle even as a possible regent skewers all of these dumb Kylie Minogue/David Boon as President memes.

She’s f***ing boat cake!

Rabz
October 17, 2023 9:46 am

Poor li’l ol’ yessers are still whining incessantly – “extremely disappointed with those Ozzies who voted No”.

Well, guess what? I don’t give a rodent’s backside what you losers think about anything.

I’m disappointed I lost 45 minutes of my time on a Saturday to vote against a ridiculous power grab by a bunch of corrupt racist cretins who couldn’t even explain what the fork was going to happen if the Screeech actually got up (although I had a pretty good idea, being edumacated and all that).

But in true democratic style, we’re now going to have them shoved down our throats anyway by equally cretinous dunderheads such as that slimy ponce minns and house sized backside pluckachook.

As for albodross, he’s a barely ambulant political carcasse, who hasn’t realised it yet.

You’re finished, pal. So don’t be surprised if Teats Peanuthead and the Blabbersack stop returning your calls.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 17, 2023 9:46 am
Tom
Tom
October 17, 2023 9:46 am

#respekAllWomen, Tom.

LOL. No-one does rage like a Marxist homosexual.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:50 am

How many lawyers involved and does the Government pay the legal fees for both sides?

And consider this:

In QLD, the same government lawyers who drafted the contract with Wagners for the quarantine centre will be working on the treaties.

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 9:50 am

Netanyahu’s officials reportedly informed the Ukrainian president that “the time is not right”

No shit. The MAGA dudes are so desperate for a win though they chalk this up to “owning” Biden. That’s why they get emotionally invested.

No. It is what it is – “buddy, I have my own problems”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 9:52 am

LOL. No-one does rage like a Marxist homosexual.

* throws boa on floor *

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 9:55 am

When Elbow gives his exit speech, what will he list as his achievements?

P
P
October 17, 2023 9:55 am

EVENING AND MORNING IN ISRAEL
by Tevi Troy
10 . 16 . 23

praying is difficult in the face of such horrors. The situation reminded me of an exchange between Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Wiesel asked how one could believe in God after Auschwitz. The rebbe countered, how could we not believe in God, given the horrors of what man’s primacy brings? What else is there, other than God?

cohenite
October 17, 2023 9:57 am

Regardless of what white people voted for: begins 4 minutes, 40 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5AzebGGCLc

This little shit is an arrogant, Australia hating bastard.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 9:58 am

When Elbow gives his exit speech, what will he list as his achievements?

He has exposed the 60-70% of racist, redneck, Tory, dunderheads that didn’t vote the way he told them to.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 10:00 am

x278,000 in census means average group is 1853. For a treaty !

Some of the members of those groups will complain that their clan/skin group isn’t bound by any such treaty, and demand their own treaty.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 17, 2023 10:00 am

Local town of St.Arnaud Vic in the news because the results posted by the AEC completely transposed the result and made it appear there was an overwhelming Yes vote. Another country booth had exactly the same thing happen.
AEC has corrected the error and said it was rare.
Jacinta nailed the AEC on poll night and now we see the reasons emerging.

Cassie of Sydney
October 17, 2023 10:00 am

LOL. No-one does rage like a Marxist homosexual.”

What? Why hasn’t Tommy Boy Ballard, unfunny comedian, flown to Gaza to help his Nazi Pallie friends yet? Tommy Boy is an outspoken critic of Israel.

I guess the problem is, if he does fly to Gaza, and then the Nazi Pallies discover Tommy Boy’s sexual preferences, they’ll be searching for a tall building to chuck him off, but the problem there is that Israel has been blowing up those buildings over the last few days, and so Tommy will be saved by those very Jews he doesn’t like.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 10:01 am

You lost, get over it.

Please.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 17, 2023 10:04 am

So, in three days, all maintenance on the ships was completed, all ammunition, fuel and food was loaded AND all the personnel were called from leave, THEN, they sailed to Israel, ALL IN THREE DAYS!
Are we all good with that?

I’m good with that.

On-rotation carrier battlegroups, as a rule do not sit in port with everything unpacked, unloaded and in warehouses, and with their equipment unserviced while they wait for the phone to ring.

johanna
johanna
October 17, 2023 10:08 am

TheirABC is still unashamedly running story after story about how awful the referendum result is. Won’t bother to link, just pull up any random page.

They don’t even pretend to be impartial any more. Why should they? There is no penalty for breaching the Charter, management pays their legal bills and defamation awards, and the Coalition does nothing.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 17, 2023 10:09 am

Bit like Commonwealth Bank PR guy.
I would think mostly students working there. Hopefully get the Harvard treatment

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 10:10 am

The US really remains the only country that can wage war anywhere on the globe in close to real time. Still a question mark against the Chinese, although you do not want to find out. Hopefully their military is better than their construction.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 10:12 am

Regardless of what white people voted for…

Elbow evidently having trouble digesting the western Sydney vote.

Morsie
Morsie
October 17, 2023 10:16 am

A basic criticising Hamas so the Greens and Teals are to the left iof Abbas

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 17, 2023 10:17 am
Morsie
Morsie
October 17, 2023 10:18 am

Abbas not abasic

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 10:19 am

…and so Tommy will be saved by those very Jews he doesn’t like.

Throwing down from a high place was to be followed by stoning.

Absent the high places, I’d imagine they simply resort to stoning.

Anders
Anders
October 17, 2023 10:20 am

When do they start counting the prepoll votes? Every seat I’ve looked at on the AEC website shows 0 for prepolls so far.

johanna
johanna
October 17, 2023 10:22 am

I’m disappointed I lost 45 minutes of my time on a Saturday to vote against a ridiculous power grab by a bunch of corrupt racist cretins who couldn’t even explain what the fork was going to happen if the Screeech actually got up (although I had a pretty good idea, being edumacated and all that).

Well Rabz, as we know, quite a lot of commenters here have a piece, or more than one piece, of paper attesting to their ejumacashon. What’s more, the vast majority got those bits of paper before they were handed out as rewards for showing up and paying the fees. The recipients actually had to submit work and pass exams.

But, it is most enjoyable to watch those in this vast hole digging deeper. Their brilliant strategy of trying to win people over by insulting them (see: Clinton, Hillary) is the gift that keeps on giving.

In passing, since Aborigines in rural and remote areas have very low education levels …

Sshhh – don’t want to interrupt the enemy etc. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 17, 2023 10:24 am

Re Crosby Textor.
Their emotive response to the criticism puts the nail in the coffin for me.

A CT Group spokesman said: “We will not be responding to opportunistic comments that are clearly based on a misunderstanding of our role in the campaign.”

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 17, 2023 10:24 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 10:24 am

Absent the high places, I’d imagine they simply resort to stoning.

Plenty of choice now. Just like the good old days.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 17, 2023 10:33 am

When do they start counting the prepoll votes?

They started processing them yesterday.

They way it worked when I did it, all they would be doing is matching the names & addresses on the envelopes with the the rolls and marking off that they have voted. This process includes all the absentee & declaration votes which are also in envelopes.

These need to be physically sent to the right office for processing that may take a few days (eg I am in Fisher, if I had voted in say, Bass, my envelope will go to the Bass DRO, added to any others for Fisher, and sent back to Fisher to be checked and counted. – makes the auditing a lot easier and more transparent).

Once all the valid prepolls and absentee envelopes are in and processed they are opened face down into a box, and when a box is full they will start counting it, so you will get numbers in a rush.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 17, 2023 10:36 am

She’s f***ing boat cake!

It’s the implication Dot, the implication…
https://youtu.be/PtL0HjZF50A?si=HA1UPXMaZY7YzghW

Anders
Anders
October 17, 2023 10:41 am

Diogenes
Oct 17, 2023 10:33 AM

Thanks for your detailed response, Diogenes. A good reason to vote on the day if you’re able as the prepoll votes will lean even more heavily No because of a lot of older people – that would have meant the result on the night would have looked even more catastrophic for the Yesers.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 17, 2023 10:42 am

Oz says:

The US military has selected roughly 2,000 troops to prepare for a potential deployment to support Israel, US defence officials said.

The troops are tasked with missions like advising and medical support, the officials said, and they are from across the US armed services. They aren’t intended to serve in a combat role, the officials said. No infantry have been put on prepare-to-deploy order.

rosie
rosie
October 17, 2023 10:45 am

Pfizer shares down 1% before the bell!
Revenue down 67 bil to 58 bil!
Must be going bankrupt!

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 10:47 am

These need to be physically sent to the right office for processing that may take a few days (eg I am in Fisher, if I had voted in say, Bass, my envelope will go to the Bass DRO, added to any others for Fisher, and sent back to Fisher to be checked and counted. – makes the auditing a lot easier and more transparent).

I’m glad you explained it so well as I was just about to embarrass myself by stating that AEC is dragging their feet so as not to add to Labor’s woes.

John Brumble
John Brumble
October 17, 2023 10:49 am

Pre-poll at 0? Well obviously it’s a lot harder to take out the pre-printed ballots than it is to put them in.

Counting all of them would give the game away.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 10:52 am

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Albo’s “Voice” has been overwhelmingly rejected – is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Makka
Makka
October 17, 2023 10:52 am

They aren’t intended to serve in a combat role, the officials said.

Those troops are on ice, offshore?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 10:54 am

Pfizer shares down 1% before the bell!
Revenue down 67 bil to 58 bil!

This may have something to do with it:

Only 2% Of Americans Have Received New COVID Vaccine: CDC (17 Oct)

The lack of candor or openness, the repression of anyone not adhering to the government line, the nasty fascism around mandates, and the widespread concern over side effects may well have substantially reduce the market for all vaccines, not just Covid ones. When you lose trust it’s hard to get it back.

Not helped by how utterly politicized the medical industry is so clear to everyone, especially against righties.

The health outcomes of this fiasco are going to resonate for many, many years.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 10:54 am

Hamas releases first video of Israeli hostage in Gaza

By STAFF WRITERS
10:42AM October 17, 2023

Palestinian militant group Hamas has released the first clip showing an Israeli hostage being held by in the Gaza Strip.

The video features 21-year-old French-Israeli Mia Shem, who was snatched from the desert during an outdoor music festival on October 7.

In the footage, Mia says that she injured her arm very badly and was treated for her injuries. She says that everything is “fine” and asks to be brought home as soon as possible.

“I’m being cared for, I’m getting medications,” she said in the footage.“I’m only asking for me to be returned home as soon as possible, to my family, to my parents, to my siblings. Please get me out of here as soon as possible.”

The IDF responded on Monday evening to Hamas’ publication of the video.

“Last week, Mia Shem’s family was informed by IDF officials that Mia had been abducted. IDF representatives are in continuous contact with the family,” the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit said in a statement.

“The IDF is deploying all intelligence and operational measures for the return of the hostages.”

“In the video, Hamas is trying to portray itself as a humane organization, while it is a murderous terrorist organization responsible for the murder and abduction of babies, women, children, and elderly,” the statement concluded.

The Israeli army has confirmed at least 199 hostages were taken to Gaza, while while Hamas claimed earlier Monday that it and other factions are holding around 250 captives.

Abu Obeideh, spokesman for Hamas’s military wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, said in a televised statement earlier Monday that some foreign hostages would be released by the group “when conditions are ripe”.

Officials in both Israel and Gaza have denied any prisoner swap talks.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 10:55 am

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Albo’s “Voice” has been overwhelmingly rejected – is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Under review in light of the result.

Makka
Makka
October 17, 2023 10:55 am

is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Albo is in damage control. Serious damage. So he will muster support from anywhere and everywhere in the leftist spectrum trying to ride this out.

It could be just posturing and pandering, keeping the parasites in his corner- for now.

Johnny Rotten
October 17, 2023 10:57 am

What else is there, other than God?

Mother Nature, the Universe and Science. And “Cherryripes”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 10:59 am

The troops are tasked with missions like advising and medical support, the officials said

Free abortions and transgender surgeries for Gazans? Now that Israel has bombed the only Planned Parenthood clinic in the territory there must be an urgent desperate need.

johanna
johanna
October 17, 2023 11:00 am

BTW – can those who have been predicting for months and even years in some cases, either a civil war or the splitting up of the US give us an update?

I must agree with JC about how people underestimate the ability of the US to come back from disaster. Also, as I keep saying, applying our standards and model of government to the US always leads to the wrong conclusions.

And, FFS, bleating about political and judicial corruption ignores that they have been baked in for at least a couple of centuries. It’s a feature, not a bug. As usual, alarmists never read history.

But, anyway – enthusiasts for civil war and division – what say you?

caveman
caveman
October 17, 2023 11:03 am

is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

I think their angle is that the mentioned it during the election as a promise. In which case the prick was lying from the get go saying the referendum was only for the voice.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 17, 2023 11:06 am

So, in three days, all maintenance on the ships was completed, all ammunition, fuel and food was loaded AND all the personnel were called from leave, THEN, they sailed to Israel, ALL IN THREE DAYS!
Are we all good with that?

The Ford CBG had been operating off Italy when the balloon went up.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 11:06 am

Albo is in damage control. Serious damage.

More than just Albo. The ALP faceless chaps will be looking at the industrial rusted-on seats and panicking. Like Hunter where I’m am. Over 71% no, yet the seat has been Labor for 113 years.

They got a fright when the PHON tradie went close to knocking off Joel in the election before last. This referendum makes it absolutely clear that the progressive-left is in charge of the Labor Party and many previous industrial Labor voters may be looking for another home.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 11:08 am

Apparently Albanese won’t address the matter during the “week of mourning.”

If he walks away from his promise he’s lost the activists.

If he sticks to it he’s lost the next election.

Well played, bubble boy!

Jorge
Jorge
October 17, 2023 11:09 am

is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Yes, yes he is. Rabbit Proof Fence on continuous repeats is his idea of the first part.

Wars of resistance, mass slaughter and poison blankets are to be uncovered later.

Grandkids get upset if you question it.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 11:11 am

I’m good with that.

#metoo

Any navy, at this point in time, that isn’t ready for a skirmish deserves to become an instant reef.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 11:12 am

PeanutHead putting the smallpox ridden blankets back into storage.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 11:20 am

is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

There will be no learnings under a government I lead. – Luigi the Unteachable

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 17, 2023 11:29 am

But, anyway – enthusiasts for civil war and division – what say you?

Its pretty clear the US, and the world, is becoming more polarised, and that the differences are irreconcilable. Its true that the west did have an enormous amount of ‘social capital’ banked, but this is being rapidly depleted – at some point, Adam Smith’s nation is ‘ruined’ … when not if is the question.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 11:30 am

I was wondering if Hamas attacked now was because of this:

Finally, Some Jewish Space Lasers? (16 Oct)

The problem with Iron Dome is that while homemade missiles like Hamas and Hezbollah use are inexpensive, antimissile missiles run up to $150,000 a pop, and each missile battery costs about $50 million to manufacture. The costs don’t exactly work in Jerusalem’s favor.

Enter, Israelis with fricken laser beams. Iron Beam is a “100kW class High Energy Laser Weapon System (HELWS). It’s designed to intercept a wide range of threats such as Rockets, Artillery, and Mortars (RAM) and UAVs.”

Rafael, whose fricken space laser it is, hopes to speed up rollout of the weapon system, maybe as early as the first half of 2024. That would make Hamas’s rockets a lot less dangerous, although there are issues with weather and line of sight. But if it took pressure off Iron Dome it would be worth its weight in etrogs.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 11:31 am

Regardless of what white people voted for…

Setting aside this disgraceful racism from our PM…he must mean the Teal electorates.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 11:31 am

BTW – can those who have been predicting for months and even years in some cases, either a civil war or the splitting up of the US give us an update?

I must agree with JC about how people underestimate the ability of the US to come back from disaster. Also, as I keep saying, applying our standards and model of government to the US always leads to the wrong conclusions.

Johanna, I don’t believe US will descend into a civil war, Americans are too pragmatic for that. What is happening though is a realignment between the population. Republicans and conservatives are leaving blue states like NY, California and Illinois and moving to red states like Texas, Florida and Tennessee. This means that blue states become more blue and the red states more red.

The realignment will result in weakened federalism with states asserting their rights at the cost of the federal laws. It’s also useful that each state controls its own National Guard to defend their interests. It’s quite a good system to calm things down.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 11:34 am

I have 2x Canon 520 black cartridges still sealed for a printer. If someone has that requirement get my email off Dover and I will send them to you no cost. I hate waste.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 11:34 am

Its pretty clear the US, and the world, is becoming more polarised, and that the differences are irreconcilable.

It’s the 7thC all over again Dot. Christianity vs the New Islam.

There’s a reason that green-progressives and muslims are so close, their respective religions have a lot in common.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 11:37 am

Bruce! Love the Mel Brooks song!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 11:37 am

Yes, yes he is. Rabbit Proof Fence on continuous repeats is his idea of the first part.

My mob were farming on the Rabbit Proof Fence at the time that film was set, and none of them ever mentioned three Aboriginal girls, with a police party in pursuit…..

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 11:37 am

The problem being Crossie is in the Texas case the demons are moving there from California taking their criminally insane politics with them.

Vicki
Vicki
October 17, 2023 11:39 am

Northern Beaches Mackellar getting close to NO
YES 50.08% NO 49.92%

They just need to count my grandson’s “No” to counter my Granddaughter’s “Yes”.
The former has a good “BS detector”, the latter is smart, but still at that stage of attachment to a perceived underdog.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 11:42 am

Bruce! Love the Mel Brooks song!

Hehe, Calli, check who posted the video and who wrote the article… 😀

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 11:44 am

The US Sixth Fleet is based in Naples.

cohenite
October 17, 2023 11:44 am

Hamas did well:

Hundreds of dead people in Israel are still unidentifiable because of what Hamas terrorists did to their bodies.”

In other fuked news:

Hamas Murders a Life-Long Advocate for Palestinian Jihad

EU Responds to Hamas Terror by Tripling Gaza Aid

Glazov Gang: Hamas Beheads Israeli Children Shillman Fellow Robert Spencer unveils the real reason why Islamic terrorists do it.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 11:45 am

The problem being Crossie is in the Texas case the demons are moving there from California taking their criminally insane politics with them.

Not to mention the illegals.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 17, 2023 11:46 am
Barry
Barry
October 17, 2023 11:50 am

Goldstein (teal Electorate) has the lowest percentage of abos out of all electorates. 0.3% IIRC.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 17, 2023 11:53 am

Bubble boy of Grayndler.

Best not ask him who invaded Spain in the 8th century.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 11:54 am

I’d be taking self reported,self identifying rates of aboriginality with a very large grain of salt for some time now.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 17, 2023 11:56 am

Terry McCrann on the boardroom musings on Teh Voice:

It obviously, of course, is not going to happen, but boards of directors of publicly listed companies really should be held personally financially accountable for the more egregious corporate decisions.

We’ve just had two important examples, in very different contexts.

The most immediate and most obvious was the big companies that decided to pour shareholder money into the ‘Yes’ campaign, so boards and management could preen and pontificate.

They included the four big banks – self-evidently, directly against the wishes of six-out-of-ten of their customers, and of their individual shareholders, whose money they were gratuitously spending.

Plus the big four accounting firms and the three major resources groups – BHP, Rio Tinto and Woodside Petroleum.

As I’ve written, fat lot of good it did Woodside, with the “voice” of a single Aboriginal able to put its multi-billion dollar Scarborough gas project on ice, at the cost of tens of millions of dollars to shareholders.

I’m all in favour of public company directors putting their money where their mouths are.

That’s, to stress, their money, not that of shareholders – especially where holders have emphatically and very publicly and undeniably voted against such spending of their money.

There is thus a very good case that all the directors of BHP, Rio, Woodside, CBA, ANZ, Westpac, NAB and all the rest should have their director fees clawed back to cover company donations taking sides on such a divisive referendum and one that was rejected so overwhelmingly.

These directors have placed themselves squarely and literally on the wrong wide of history, and of their fellow Australians, and plundered shareholder money to do so.

Indeed, if they had any sense of self-regard, they would volunteer to have their director fees clawed back.

Now, the second example also involves ANZ.

Back in 2015, ANZ raised $2.5bn in a share placement to institutional investors.

At the time it ‘omitted’ to tell both its own shareholders and the market generally that nearly a third of the money – just under $800m – had been tipped in by the underwriters. The big instos had only subscribed for $1.7bn.

This was information that the ANZ was legally obliged to disclose under the stock exchange listing rules.

It was critically relevant, market-sensitive information, not only to ANZ shareholders, but the market generally.

The Federal Court agreed Friday. It ruled ANZ had breached its continuous disclosure obligations; with the penalty to be imposed later.

There have in fact been two failings by the ANZ board.

The initial failing in 2015, of their very own shareholders whose interests they purport to represent, of the non-disclosure.

So I would argue the ANZ directors, as they were in 2015, should have their director fees clawed-back to cover the cost of the coming fine and costs.

The second failure was arguably even worse: refusing to accept the original breach, fighting ASIC all the way up to and including the decision Friday.

At a cost of how many millions? Again, that should be clawed back from director fees paid since 2015.

And then there’s the little matter of the Hayne royal commission.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 12:00 pm

Not even the Bee could come up with a headline like this one, not least because it is a real story. Satire is now looking more real than reality.

Terrorist-loving students ask for ‘mental health support’ (12 Oct, via Instapundit)

The Harvard Arab Alumni Association has reportedly put out a statement requesting aid for the students whose first reaction was to stand in solidarity with the terrorists who raped, killed, captured, and decapitated innocent civilians.

”They may require legal counsel, healthcare, mental health support, financial aid, or mentorship to navigate these turbulent and uncertain times,” the statement reads.

Surreal. Air drop them all into Gaza. If they behave reasonably give them a parachute.

P
P
October 17, 2023 12:06 pm

The problem being Crossie is in the Texas case the demons are moving there from California taking their criminally insane politics with them.

Same in Arizona.

dopey
dopey
October 17, 2023 12:12 pm

Peter Hartcher. Sydney Morning Herald.
” Israel has a duty to act with military effectiveness. And an opportunity to impress with humanitarian restraint.”
OK Pete, next time we won’t kill so many Jews.

C.L.
C.L.
October 17, 2023 12:14 pm

Can somebody ask Cheng Lei the simple, $64,000 question?

To wit: why did she leave Australia to work for the propaganda network of the Chinese Communist Party?

Strange that Sheridan and Bolt don’t ask. Also strange that Daniel Duggan, to the best of my knowledge, hasn’t been mentioned on Sky once.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 12:14 pm

Absent the high places, I’d imagine they simply resort to stoning.

Two big ones and bag of gravel please.

calli
calli
October 17, 2023 12:15 pm

All the Wormtongues are surfacing, advising Israel to “hold back”. Some more blatant than others.

Fascinating watching it in real time.

Zatara
Zatara
October 17, 2023 12:17 pm

Those troops are on ice, offshore?

Given the wording used in that claim the supposed 2000 US support troops could be sitting in Delaware loading boxes on airplanes. Or in Germany moving boxes from one airplane to another. Or in Cyprus preparing medical facilities.

Chances of them being on the ground in Israel are pretty much nil if for no other reason than because there is no need for them there.

The only US troops offshore of Israel at the moment are about 2/3rds of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit. That would likely be 2 companies of infantry, a SEAL platoon, Marine Recon, and an aviation squadron.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 12:18 pm

Boron is racist.

‘What’s the anti-racist perspective on the atomic mass of boron?’ (16 Oct)

The revised education code calls for evaluating community-college employees on their “antiracist” and “DEIA competencies,” Friedersdorf writes. (A stands for “accessibility.”) Professors will be hired, promoted and given tenure based “on their embrace of controversial social-justice concepts as those concepts are understood and defined by state education bureaucrats.”

“How am I supposed to incorporate DEI into my classroom instruction?” asks Bill Blanken, a chemistry professor who’s one of six plaintiffs in a First Amendment lawsuit filed by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. “What’s the ‘anti-racist’ perspective on the atomic mass of boron?,” he asks.

On the one hand I’m happy to be retired and no longer doing chemistry, so as to not have to put up with this manure. On the other hand I am sad that a field like chemistry is no so far gone that chemists have to be woke to be allowed to do it.

This stuff is so ludicrous and crazy that something’s got to give. Not sure a US civil war v2.0 is out of the question.

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 12:18 pm

http://www.think-israel.org/plaut.sararoy.html

HARVARD’S HAMAS DUMPLING: SARA ROY

I think Harvard is the problem, not the students.

Roy is the author of two books: The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development (1995), and The Economics of Middle East Peace: A Reassessment (1999). To call her viewpoint one dimension is to praise it unjustly. Her repetitious theme is that there is nothing at all wrong with Palestinian society that cannot be blamed directly on the Jews. Destroying the Palestinian economy is why Israel constructed its security fence [21], for instance; this decision had nothing at all to do with countless terrorist atrocities against Jews carried out by Palestinians.

Her work in recent years at Harvard has been devoted to prettifying Hamas [22] and other Islamofascist movements among Palestinians, and to try to prove how moderate [23] they are. In her “study” of Hamas [24], she displays complete ignorance as to the background of Hamas [25] and its roots in the Islamofascist “Muslim Brotherhood” movement. She paints it as a pastoral little social welfare group. She has published at least one anti-Israel article together with someone [26] from a notorious Hamas front group, the so-called Gaza Community Mental Health Program.

Writing in the al-Jazeera newspaper [27] — with its intimate links to al-Qaeda — in 2003, Roy insisted that the only way to stop Hamas terrorism was to first end Israel’s “occupation.” But the following year Israel totally ended its occupation of Gaza. The direct consequence was the bloody campaign of Hamas rocket and other terror attacks from Gaza against Israeli civilians inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. This terror campaign directly lead to the “Cast Lead” military operation by Israel last year. Roy has never apologized nor repudiated her earlier false prophecy. To the contrary, the behavior of Hamas since Israel’s Gaza withdrawal has simply persuaded her all the more that Israeli “occupation” is the exclusive cause of all Middle East violence, even when it does not exist.

johanna
johanna
October 17, 2023 12:19 pm

Its pretty clear the US, and the world, is becoming more polarised, and that the differences are irreconcilable.

Do you mean that the US is more polarised now than it was in the Civil War?

Is the world more polarised than it was in 1915?

Less reading of blogs and more reading of history would raise the collective IQ considerably.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 17, 2023 12:21 pm

Anal is a toxic mediocrity but then we knew that.

Alamak!
October 17, 2023 12:28 pm

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Albo’s “Voice” has been overwhelmingly rejected – is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Yes, indeed. The underlying “racism” uncovered in 60.5% of the electorate must be eradicated by use of truth-telling and treaties. Also, lots of $$$ to fix hurt feelings.

Cognitive disorder in operation.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 12:28 pm

C.L.
Oct 17, 2023 12:14 PM
Can somebody ask Cheng Lei the simple, $64,000 question?

To wit: why did she leave Australia to work for the propaganda network of the Chinese Communist Party?

Because it doesn’t advance the happy-happy narrative. Nobody has asked her any questions about her thoughts on her captors, not in any interviews I watched. Word must have gone out to not endanger any more exports to China.

I consider her going back to work in communist China along the same lines as the ISIS brides leaving Australia to join their caliphate fighters boyfriends/husbands. Not exactly appreciative of Australian freedom and plenty until they get into trouble. Fair weather citizens at the best of times.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 17, 2023 12:31 pm

In a two horse race you only have to be faster than the other guy.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 12:31 pm

Less reading of blogs and more reading of history would raise the collective IQ considerably.

+736

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
October 17, 2023 12:32 pm

Briefly back to Duh Screech, an excellent article by Keith W in Quadrant Online.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/the-voice/2023/10/why-the-voice-went-down/

The last few paragraphs follow.

There were other symbols of this kind which have long been sitting ducks that emulate these patently insincere welcomes. For those of us in Sydney, the worst was the decision of NSW Premier Dominic Perrotet to take down the flag of the state, which is a near replica of the national flag, from the top of Sydney Harbour Bridge and substitute an Aboriginal flag. Perrotet did this as a desperate gesture to increase his fading popularity in the lead up to state election on March 25, 2023. Instead, it provided a virtual guarantee that he would lose the election, which he did.

In fact, there are now audible mutterings among crowds at functions these days about the elevation of the Aboriginal flag to the centre of proceedings, displacing the national flag. This is another cultural phenomenon that politicians ignore at their peril. Prime Minister Albanese is a repeat offender. If he doesn’t change his ways he will pay a price similar to Perrotet.

The same goes for the equally offensive movement to replace all the place names of major cities and regional centres in Australia, with Aboriginal names, as if we haven’t done enough in the past with the national capital named for the Kamberri clan, and countless others in towns and suburbs throughout the country. The most recent book by Megan Davis and Pat Anderson, Our Voices from the Heart, lists their current demands: Sydney is to become Warrane: Melbourne Naarm; Adelaide Tarndanya; Brisbane Meanjin; Hobart Nipaluna; Perth Boorloo; Darwin Garramilla; Cairns Gimuy; Broome Rubibi; Dubbo Thurbo; and so on.

Who do these people imagine they are? The referendum of October 14 has given them a good reminder. It has done more than show them that, even with the complete support of the governing Labor Party, they could only rustle up 39 per cent of the population to support them, while 61 per cent stood opposed to their big plan for constitutional change. It was also a referendum that tested popular support for dividing the country into two classes: in a way a modern loyalty test for Australia. It deserved to fail badly, and it did.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 12:33 pm

Former soldier Heston Russell savages ABC after court win

theaustralian.com.au03:29
Heston Russell speaks after winning defamation case

By nathan schmidt
Journalist
@Nate_R_Schmidty
NCA NewsWire
11:43AM October 17, 2023

A special forces soldier awarded almost $400,000 after he was defamed by the ABC has slammed the national broadcaster for its “cloak and dagger” behaviour.

Heston Russell sued the ABC and two journalists over stories published in 2020 and 2021 that he claimed implied he was involved in the shooting of an unarmed prisoner.

Federal Court Justice Michael Lee presided over the months-long proceedings and on Monday ruled in favour of Mr Russell, who served with the ADF in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr Russell told 2GB’s Ben Fordham, who sat next to the former soldier in court, that he believed “justice was served”, but did not hold back in his criticism of the ABC.

“I think this whole trial exposes how dangerous the echo chamber is there at the ABC, in particular the investigations unit that allowed such red flags to be missed,” he said.

“It’s also hilarious, this indirect behaviour, where they won’t issue a public apology when we ask for it, but overnight – cloak and dagger – they’ll take down these articles.”

Mr Russell told Mr Fordham the articles had been taken down sometime on Monday night by the ABC, who he said had not contacted him since the judgement was delivered.

It comes as Mr Russell prepares to return to court for a hearing into his legal fees, which if granted could cost the taxpayer – along with damages – almost $2 million dollars.

Mr Russell also revealed that defamation lawyer Sue Chrysanthou SC had represented the former soldier on a “no win, no fee” basis, and that he couldn’t have otherwise afforded her.

The cases stems from a series of articles that Justice Lee agreed gave the imputation Mr Russell was involved in the alleged shooting of an unarmed prisoner in Afghanistan.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 12:37 pm

Sky should’ve put the word “Australians” in quotes.

At least 45 Australians remain stranded in Gaza (17 Oct)

At least 45 Australians and other foreigners are still trapped in Gaza as diplomatic efforts continue over the possible reopening of Egypt’s Rafah border crossing.

The Department of Foreign Affairs has told Australians known to be in the area to move closer to the Rafah border crossing area and be ready to move in case a humanitarian window opens.

Just who are these “Australians”? Why are they in Gaza? What is their view on the war crimes committed by Hamas, their governmental authority? Why are they not protesting?

Ok I know the answer to the last question. It would be fatal. But if they’re stupid enough to be in Gaza then it’s a legitimate question why we should be trying to get them out. They’re where they wanted to be, since if they didn’t want to be there they’d not’ve been there.

C.L.
C.L.
October 17, 2023 12:37 pm

Nobody has asked her any questions about her thoughts on her captors, not in any interviews I watched.

Her most famous moment on CGTN was ridiculing President Trump in 2018.

Last night’s Sky tease for tonight’s interview shows her going on and on.. and on about returning home and sating her appetite for all manner of delicious foods.

Somewhat weird as a promo.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 17, 2023 12:38 pm

Yes, indeed. The underlying “racism” uncovered in 60.5% of the electorate must be eradicated by use of truth-telling and treaties. Also, lots of $$$ to fix hurt feelings.

Vanuatu is looking good.

Frank
Frank
October 17, 2023 12:40 pm

Less reading of blogs and more reading of history would raise the collective IQ considerably.

A lesson straight out of the Ray Martin school of cajolery.

P
P
October 17, 2023 12:44 pm
flyingduk
flyingduk
October 17, 2023 12:45 pm

I’d be taking self reported,self identifying rates of aboriginality with a very large grain of salt for some time now.

I hope all realise that if *everyone* self identified as aboriginal today, all this BS would stop tomorrow?

C.L.
C.L.
October 17, 2023 12:45 pm

Do you mean that the US is more polarised now than it was in the Civil War?

Is the world more polarised than it was in 1915?

Yes and yes.

While it’s always wise to remember that there is little new in man’s catalogue of lamentations, it could be argued you’re conflating war with the absolute atomisation of values.

The combatants of Bull Run and Verdun believed in the same things about God, country, family, civil society, sex, education and virtually everything else.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 12:50 pm

Do you mean that the US is more polarised now than it was in the Civil War?

Is the world more polarised than it was in 1915?

Yes and yes Johanna. A new religion has arisen which brooks no opposition. As I said this is like the 7thC all over again.

In 1860 there were two sides who were basically Christian. States rights and slavery were the issues, and the states rights & slavery side fired the first shot. They then lost.

In 1914 the web of treaties were such that when one treaty was called upon there was a cascade of requirements that led to a complete fracture of Europe. Which had ethnic as well as treaty causes, but the treaties also aligned with ethnicity to a certain extent.

Nations had a choice, to either abrogate the treaties negotiated so carefully, or to uphold them. The tragedy is that honour required the latter, and they all did. To prevent war they had to act dishonourably…

Now is different since the green-progressive religion is not honourable and is a visceral enemy of the the residual Judeo-Christian ethos forming the foundation of Western society. It is as potentially inflammable as Russia in 1917, for very similar and analogous reasons.

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 12:52 pm

My Sister sister just rang for the sole purpose of telling me a joke:
Via Robin Williams:

What did the Cyclone say to the Palm Tree?
“Hold on to your nuts. This isn’t going to be an ordinary blow job.”

Johnny Rotten
October 17, 2023 12:52 pm

I think their angle is that the mentioned it during the election as a promise. In which case the prick was lying from the get go saying the referendum was only for the voice.

The Real Australian VOICE has spoken and the answer is a Big Fat 60% NO.

Bring on the next Feral Election in 2025. It can’t come soon enough.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 17, 2023 12:55 pm

Do you mean that the US is more polarised now than it was in the Civil War? …. Is the world more polarised than it was in 1915? …. Less reading of blogs and more reading of history would raise the collective IQ considerably.

1) I think the world is more polarised now than it was in my lifetime (born in the 60s) which is a more relevant metric than over a century ago
2) Unlike the great majority of the population, I have been reading history for over 50 years, and my commentary reflects that.
3) IQ = your own personal CPU processing power, it can be destroyed, but not raised, you might not like my interpretations of history, but you cannot say they are un-informed. This blog is not a waste of time, it is a a priceless opportunity to test my ideas against those of others! Long may it be so!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 17, 2023 12:58 pm

johanna

Oct 17, 2023 10:08 AM

TheirABC is still unashamedly running story after story about how awful the referendum result is. Won’t bother to link, just pull up any random page.

They don’t even pretend to be impartial any more. Why should they? 

I haven’t watched Insiders forever, but Sunday morning was a disgrace. Dusky reporterette – who I have since found is Aboriginal, but looked more sub-continental – delivered the sad face “week of mourning” stuff at the end, without any thought that she was mourning the democratic process.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 17, 2023 1:01 pm

A meat ball is worth 1 mile.

Unlocking the climate benefits of dietary substitutions: The impact of land use policy (16 Oct)

Substituting a 100g portion of beef meatballs with pea protein “meatballs” delivers the same climate benefit as avoiding a 16 km (10 mile) drive. Conversely substituting one liter of cows’ milk with soy milk will not necessarily benefit the climate directly. Nonetheless, effective land use policy could turbocharge climate benefits of simple diet substitutions, increasing climate benefits to 48 km (29 mile) and 6 km (4 mile) driving-equivalents for meatball and cow milk substitution, respectively.

I went to Coles this morning and bought 1.8 kg of bird mince. That was a distance of about 7 meatballs round trip, and I now have 288 km worth of food for currawongs, magpies and butcherbirds.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 17, 2023 1:10 pm

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Albo’s “Voice” has been overwhelmingly rejected – is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

No.
He is not.
This is just lip service while he moonwalks away from it.
The pardee won’t let him go near it even if he wants to.
This will only be mentioned if he is directly asked and it will remain “under review” for about, oh, say, eternity.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 17, 2023 1:23 pm

Someone should give Simon Benson a hankie.

His tearful diatribe in the Oz today is really very sad, but a nice summation of all the “Yes, But..” arguments.

My favourite bit (it was a near-run thing)… I can admire a good piece of projection when I see it :-

The voice was not radical or risky. It did not challenge the supremacy of parliament. It did not have any veto power, nor could it spend money or run programs. It would not have led to endless litigation in the High Court. It would not insert racial powers into the Constitution; they are already there. And it would not create a new class of citizenship; it was about recognising indigeneity.

Oh, and I’m not sure there are many bonus points still on offer for the seemingly-mandatory Trump reference, but Simon, here, have an elephant stamp.

Winston Smith
October 17, 2023 1:25 pm

Pogria:
Next door has a couple of dogs – every time someone pulls up within earshot, they go nuts. I’ve put up with it for 8 years now but it gets wearing.
The dogs think they’re frightening away intruders because eventually the mailman, the delivery driver or the people walking past, leave. Then they lie in wait for the next intruder.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 1:36 pm

Sydney is to become Warrane: Melbourne Naarm; Adelaide Tarndanya; Brisbane Meanjin; Hobart Nipaluna; Perth Boorloo; Darwin Garramilla; Cairns Gimuy; Broome Rubibi; Dubbo Thurbo; and so on.

I thought Dubbo was an aboriginal name, it’s new proposed name sounds more Anglo than Dubbo does.

Crossie
Crossie
October 17, 2023 1:42 pm

Last night’s Sky tease for tonight’s interview shows her going on and on.. and on about returning home and sating her appetite for all manner of delicious foods.

Somewhat weird as a promo.

C.L., what do you expect from that vacuous blonde Annelise Nielsen?

shatterzzz
October 17, 2023 1:42 pm

Just who are these “Australians”? Why are they in Gaza?

I’m guessin’ life on the Oz ‘rorters” pension would put you at or close to the top of the Gaza income tree ……….

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 1:43 pm

Oh, the schadenfreude…it hurts…

I’ve just seen the front page of Brisbane’s Courier-Mail:

‘Talk is Cheap, Give Us Money!’

QLD aboriginal groups are demanding that corporates who tipped millions of $ into the Voice campaign now fund their programs.

Chortle!

duncanm
duncanm
October 17, 2023 1:46 pm

I love how they’re now twisting it saying it wasn’t much of a defeat, the vote was close, blah blah.

Only 6 of the previous 44 referenda got a lower yes vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_Australia#Results_of_referendums

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 1:47 pm

Oh, the schadenfreude…it hurts…

I’ve just seen the front page of Brisbane’s Courier-Mail:

‘Talk is Cheap, Give Us Money!’

QLD aboriginal groups are demanding that corporates who tipped millions of $ into the Voice campaign now fund their programs.

Chortle!

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 1:57 pm

The Danis – Paul boxing match was a farce, apparently.

https://youtu.be/85XWMDuwTy8?feature=shared

Walker
Walker
October 17, 2023 1:58 pm

“Yes” is now ahead in Franklin by only 58 votes. Postals are running at 59-41 for “No”.

Johnny Rotten
October 17, 2023 1:59 pm

Oh, and I’m not sure there are many bonus points still on offer for the seemingly-mandatory Trump reference, but Simon, here, have an elephant stamp.

I prefer this one with ‘Simple Simon’ being the paper tiger –

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FFi0sc9dXjo

Rabz
October 17, 2023 2:02 pm

why did she leave Australia to work for the propaganda network of the Chinese Communist Party?

I am fed up with this stupid, stupid woman being referred to as Australian. She is nothing of the sort – she is a chinese communist with an Australian passport.

There is a difference, you insufferable meeja morons.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 17, 2023 2:11 pm

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Albo’s “Voice” has been overwhelmingly rejected – is he seriously considering “Truth telling” and a treaty?

Taking a broader view, the government has no business telling the people what the truth is – in fact it the one to be watched, checked and, according to demerit, punished.

In this particular instance the idea that a government appointed panel of ‘experts’ on matters will tell us which interpretations of evidence are true and which are not. In fact I probably overstate the probative value of what they call evidence. Stories my nanna told me: because Aborigines kept no records to corroborate them they are assumed corroborated by default. The most fantastical nonsensical stuff too.

I believe Bolta’s longstanding challenge hast still not been met, but Stolen Generations is a ‘truth’.

Truth telling does not mean telling the truth, but you’re betters telling you what the truth is from now on and any contradiction is not only an aspersion against truth but an undermining of the organs that adjudicate truth – against governments and activists.

In the case where one person speaks against a commonly held truth it is free speech.

Government does not like to be contradicted and are not reluctant to using law to retain the illusion of majeste.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 17, 2023 2:11 pm

If anyone needs reminding about why councils will roll over for even the most tenuous native title bullshit.

https://www.ag.gov.au/legal-system/legal-assistance-services/commonwealth-legal-financial-assistance/native-title-respondent-funding-scheme

The Australian Government has committed to abolish funding for the Native Title Respondents Funding Scheme and the Native Title Officer Scheme from 2022-23. This is consistent with election commitment costings released on 19 May 2021.

Funding will no longer be available for applications made under the schemes.

Makka
Makka
October 17, 2023 2:14 pm

Yikes!

Israeli Air Force
@IAFsite
A short while ago, the IAF struck terror targets and military infrastructure of the Hezbollah terrorist organization in Lebanon, in response to fire yesterday (Monday) towards Israel.

https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/1714104053360177565

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 2:16 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican

Oct 16, 2023 11:05 PM
10,000 barbarians and a worse attack next time…
Quite so. It’d be one helluva situation to be in for the Israeli brasshat who makes the call.

(Not addressed to Salvatore – my thinking is addressed to everyone who thinks we can keep bargaining with terrorists.)
If Israel had the policy of “A hostage taken is believed to be dead or existing in a state of brutalisation that death is a mercy.” then the decision is quite easy.
I would press the button, or if being a hostage, I would hope there is someone with the moral courage and clarity to do it for me.
I would refuse to have ten soldiers die in an effort to free me. That’s reality, and you cannot defy reality.

There. I said it.

Rabz
October 17, 2023 2:26 pm

Just read a very funny story about a pair of Aged j’ismists getting involved in a “workplace contretemps”, via Sophie Elsworth.

Osman Faruqi and a Fauxboriginal. Much screeching of obscenities, apparently.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 2:31 pm

Osman Faruqi and a Fauxboriginal. Much screeching of obscenities, apparently.

By the aboriginal chap, who was subsequently put on leave during the Voice campaign, the coverage of which was to be his main assignment.

Dino Saur
Dino Saur
October 17, 2023 2:33 pm

Mark from Melbourne.

a.The voice was not radical or risky.

It was both, it introduced a new chapter outside the Constitution proper and see b.

b. It did not challenge the supremacy of parliament.

It did, in that even though Parliament may have set the “rules”(s129iii), s129 I gave it a head of power which gives it authority to challenge 129iii in the High Court

c. It did not have any veto power, nor could it spend money or run programs.

In actual fact 129iii allows a Parliament , so inclined, to legislatively give it these powers, including using 51xxvi if necessary

d. It would not have led to endless litigation in the High Court.

See b above.

e. It would not insert racial powers into the Constitution; they are already there.

It deliberately refrained from insisting that only A&TSI should be on the Voice. Why was this?

f. And it would not create a new class of citizenship;

It was about giving someone (who?) a new class of citizenship

g. it was about recognising indigeneity.

Well, the words were “in recognition of”, it wasn’t “This Constitution recognises the A&TSI as … etc”

My opinion only, no High Court judge here.

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 2:34 pm

Calli:

What is it about this proposed legislation that makes it so politically tempting, even though it might spell resounding defeat? What is it that they aren’t telling us? Why aren’t the Libs all over this? Are they, but are simply not being reported by the media propagandists who remain unchastened by their exposed partisanship and rank wrongology?

Exactly.
The pot must be huge for them to be throwing so much political capital at it. It’s just that the pot is invisible to us.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 17, 2023 2:40 pm

Enter, Israelis with fricken laser beams. Iron Beam is a “100kW class High Energy Laser

Please please please put them frickin’ on the heads of sharks!

Ayatollahs vs Dr Evil would stream for big money.

Amiright?

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 2:45 pm

Lizzie:

I am sickened by the poor treatment of horses and donkeys still in Mediterranean regions. I shamed an owner today into giving a sad mare foaming at the mouth with her ribs heaving as she waited with a carriage attached to drag tourists around. Poor animal; I spoke to her gently and said I would do what I could for her; which I did.

Good for you, Lizzie.
Multiple upticks.

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 2:48 pm

duncanm

Oct 17, 2023 7:42 AM
Waleed Aly says Voice referendum was too ‘complicated’ for ‘less educated’ Australians to understand
more like ‘so transparently dangerous only the educated would fall for it’

“Something so stupid that only an intellectual would believe it.”

Dot
Dot
October 17, 2023 2:53 pm

Libertarian Ladette (Ethelyn King) steps up for Mulgrave at upcoming by election – Dan Andrews’ old seat.

https://youtu.be/k-1WSkbgRu4?feature=shared

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 17, 2023 2:55 pm

All youse no voters, I’ll bet none of you belong to the Intelligentsia (loyke me and the ABC starf).

C.L.
C.L.
October 17, 2023 2:58 pm

I am sickened by the poor treatment of horses and donkeys still in Mediterranean regions. I shamed an owner today into giving a sad mare foaming at the mouth with her ribs heaving as she waited with a carriage attached to drag tourists around. Poor animal; I spoke to her gently and said I would do what I could for her; which I did.

Disgraceful. Good on you, Lizzie.

Roger
Roger
October 17, 2023 2:58 pm

What is it about this proposed legislation (state-based Voice) that makes it so politically tempting…

Hubris plays a part.

The desire to leave a legacy.

The indubitable belief that one will be found to be on the “right side of history”, and therefore the electorate doesn’t matter.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 3:02 pm

Watched Citizen X on YouTube. The dramatised true story of the worst serial killer in Soviet times. The acting is superb. Stephen Rea, Donald Sutherland, Max von Sydow and Joss Ackland. Do yourself a favour.

Razey
Razey
October 17, 2023 3:06 pm

Australia is just about crazy/dumb? enough to actually ban cash.

If Australia was smart, they’d convert all post offices into banks that can deal with cash. Otherwise, the WEF will take full control.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12638475/Commonwealth-Bank-opens-cashless-branches-expert-says-shift-cashless-society-begun-Australia.html

JC
JC
October 17, 2023 3:07 pm

I am sickened by the poor treatment of horses and donkeys still in Mediterranean regions.

And stray dogs in Sicily roaming around, obviously dumped by owners and left on the street. Some of them were beautiful dogs, craving for friendship. Turned me right off ever going again.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 3:07 pm

Being on the right side of history would be to audit the $39 billion and disolve every Aboriginal body who oversee the distribution of said $$$$ to family and mates. None of them have done a thing to help the plight of outback Aboriginals.

C.L.
C.L.
October 17, 2023 3:10 pm

Hubris plays a part.

The desire to leave a legacy.

All modern Labor leaders – starting with Whitlam – crave that moment when, old and grey, they walk into the National Conference and receive the acclamation they so richly deserve.

Bob Hawke – Medicare!
Paul Keating – Superannuation!
Kevin Rudd – Sorry!
Julia Gillard – Get Pell RC!
Anthony Albanese – Shaq presser!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 17, 2023 3:11 pm

RS squalid alley is no intellectual.

Makka
Makka
October 17, 2023 3:15 pm

What is it about this proposed legislation (state-based Voice) that makes it so politically tempting…

It’s not so much politically tempting. It’s financially tempting. Securing future rorting opportunities when in power is only 2nd to buying votes with OPM. Building cred to land those plumb parasite jobs is a major focus of our poliscum.

Robert Sewell
October 17, 2023 3:16 pm

Barcaldine <20% Yes.
Stick THAT up your arse sideways, Anal.

JC
JC
October 17, 2023 3:22 pm

O’Niell is inadvertently funny.

It ends up – If Jews breathe, it’s a crime against humanity.

So let me get this right. If Israel bombs Hamas targets in Gaza, it is recklessly endangering civilian life. But if it gives civilians fair warning to move away from certain areas, it is engaging in ethnic cleansing. If it drops bombs in built-up suburbs, it is committing a war crime. But if it advises civilians to leave those built-up suburbs before the bombs come, it is also committing a war crime. If it attacks northern Gaza, that’s genocide. Yet when it tells the civilians of northern Gaza to leave first, that’s ‘forced transfer’, which is to say: genocide.

Everything Israel does is a war crime. Everything. Killing civilians – war crime. Trying not to kill civilians – war crime. Bombing populated areas – war crime. Giving a population time to leave before dropping bombs – war crime. The surrealism of these screams of ‘genocide!’ every time an Israeli soldier so much as picks up his gun was brought home by two headlines in the Independent last week, published just 10 hours apart. Israel is engaged in ‘collective punishment in Gaza’, claimed the first. ‘Israel accused of “trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza Strip” as one million ordered to evacuate’, said the second.

Got that, Israel? ‘Punish’ Palestinians and you’re a criminal. Do everything in your power to avoid ‘punishing’ Palestinians and you’re still a criminal. I’m starting to wish the Israel-haters would just say what they mean with their entire chest: ‘Let yourselves be killed, Jews. Don’t fight back. Don’t do anything at all.’

The twists in the public discussion of Israel’s military response to Hamas’s recent act of unspeakable barbarism have been extraordinary. It was predictable, given the Israelophobic myopia of the West’s cultural elites, that Israel would be damned the minute it took action against the neo-fascists who had just executed the worst act of anti-Semitic savagery since the Holocaust. All the usual accusations were made. Israel’s missile strikes add up to ‘collective punishment’. Israel is using ‘genocidal language’. It is committing ‘war crimes’. It is ‘breaking international law’. Etc etc. One is forced to wonder what kind of messed-up law prevents the victims of racist slaughter from pursuing their killers.

This time, what’s been most striking is that even Israel’s efforts not to hit civilians, not to ‘collectively punish’ Gazans, have been rebranded as war crimes. Consider its advice that the people of northern Gaza should evacuate their homes so that they won’t be injured or killed in bombings. This is being called ‘ethnic cleansing’. One Palestinian politician says it is further proof that Israel is waging a war of ‘annihilation’. This is linguistic contortionism of an Orwellian degree: in trying to avoid annihilating the people of northern Gaza, Israel is being annihilationist. War is peace, freedom is slavery, evacuation is annihilation. Ash Sarkar says the evacuation is a ‘Second Nakba’. Norway’s Refugee Council damns it as ‘forced transfer’, which – you guessed it – is a war crime. It must be. Israel’s doing it.

We need to say how unhinged this discussion has become. Evacuation is a part of every war. Wars always cause waves of refugees. You probably have a few, from Ukraine, in your neighbourhood. And yet when it’s a war involving Israel, evacuation becomes ‘forced transfer’. The inevitable creation of refugees becomes ‘ethnic cleansing’. The movement of people away from destruction becomes the attempted destruction of those people. This is where we’re at: not killing people is genocide now, if the state not killing them is Israel.

It is a straight-up lie to say Israel is enacting ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing is the violent expulsion of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority determined to enjoy homogeneity across the realm. There is not one shred of evidence this is Israel’s intention with its evacuation of northern Gaza. Nothing exists – literally nothing – to suggest Israel will never allow these people back again because it wants to imprint its own supremacist ideology on their old towns and villages. There’s a ‘sneaky Jew’ feel to the idea that under the cover of a fairly normal wartime evacuation, Israel is really erasing an entire ethnic group. It is a vile calumny against a nation that just lost more than a thousand of its citizens to a genuinely genocidal movement to describe its response to that horror as genocidal.

That is one of the most troubling things in the tortured discussion about Israel’s pursuit of the racist terrorists who murdered so many of its people: the flagrant and sometimes even taunting misuse of the terminology of ‘genocide’. We live under a cultural elite that sees genocidal intent where it doesn’t exist, and ignores it where it does. Very few of the woke commentators and agitators who are gnashing their teeth over Israel’s ‘genocide’ in Gaza would openly condemn the truly genocidal nature of the Hamas ideology. Even though Hamas is a group whose founding charter committed it to a ‘struggle against the Jews’. Whose officials have goaded people to ‘cut off the heads of Jews’. Whose terrorists – yes, BBC, terrorists – slaughtered more than a thousand people on Saturday 7 October for the crime of being Jewish in Israel. Yet when the Jewish State says, ‘We will not tolerate this racist savagery’, it is branded genocidal.

And so are the victims of racist terror rebranded as racist terrorists. The people whose kibbutzim were ethnically cleansed are insulted as ethnic cleansers. The nation that witnessed the annihilation of entire families is defamed as the annihilator. The cruelty of our cultural elites in the face of the worst act of anti-Jewish violence since the 1940s is bone-chilling. I see all those newspaper headlines and academic musings on the sneakiness and wickedness of Israel as a mildly more sophisticated version of the utterances of the scumbags who have gathered in public to say ‘Aww, are your people dead?’ or who’ve said we should ‘Rejoice’ over Hamas’s slaughter. In both instances, morality and solidarity are violently elbowed aside by a peculiar loathing for Israel that long ago crossed the line from reasoned critique into blind bigotry.

There is something really grim in the marshalling of the rules of war to shame Israel. Many of these rules – the Geneva Conventions, human-rights law – were introduced in the aftermath of the Second World War and the Nazis’ attempted destruction of the Jews. And yet now it is the Jewish State more than any other – more than the warmongers of the Saudi regime, the bomb-happy Turks, the destructive imperial powers of America, Britain and France – that has these postwar rules barked in its face. ‘We will protect you from genocide’, the Western world said to Jews, yet now it wags its postwar officious finger in Jews’ faces because they dare to hunt down men who committed an act of genocidal terrorism against them. The cant and perfidy of the postwar order have rarely been so starkly exposed. There is a concerted effort to quasi-criminalise Israel’s desire to protect its people from racist torment and murder.

The West’s anti-Israel elites seem utterly bereft of the essentials of morality. Consider their insistence on moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas. Israel kills children too, they say, so is it really any better than Hamas? The moral infantilism of such hollow platitudes is difficult to comprehend. If you cannot tell the difference between people killed as a consequence of war and people killed because they are Jews, then you are beyond help. Everyone – including Israel – regrets the collateral damage of the war in Gaza, especially if the victims are children. But such tragedy cannot be compared to Hamas’s murder of children in southern Israel for being Jewish. That is of an entirely different order to war. It is the conscious, willing destruction of innocent life from the standpoint of venomous racial hatred. To kill a child on account of its race is the most unconscionable act a society can commit. It is an act of unforgiving eugenicism that brings shame on our species. Nothing – including the accidental deaths of civilians in conflict – comes close to the mindset that would erase a child as an expression of its deeper desire to erase a people.

It is horrendous that children in Gaza have died. Which is why some of us believe the US, the UK and the UN should be putting enormous pressure on their tyrannical allies in Egypt right now to construct well-resourced, Red Cross-approved refugee camps in the Sinai to which Gazans might flee. However, it is a warning sign to civilisation itself that Jewish children have been killed for being Jewish children. That in this new millennium the genocidal execution of Jews has returned. The Western world fails to recognise at its peril what a vast moral challenge this poses to the enlightened values we claim to hold dear.

Israel’s Western haters cannot see what is at stake. This is about more than the Middle East. It is about whether we are willing to stand against the forces of unreason and anti-Semitism, and for the values of liberty and decency. Are you for civilisation or barbarism – that is what the horrific events of last Saturday demanded of us all. Far too many are giving the wrong answer.

Brendan O’Neill

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 17, 2023 3:35 pm

Barcaldine <20% Yes.

Ha. Not so much as a Leaving Certificate amongst the lot of them…

  1. Dickless is up early frothing and asking questions about costs.  Paul Graham, CSIRO’s Chief Energy Economist, is the man who…

  2. Chris Kenny’s evisceration of Albo over the weekend was a welcome return to form. Albo resembles a few Australian openers…

  3. Not one costing of renewables calculates the reduction in agricultural output and the reduction productive activity. ABARE could pop that…

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