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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:01 pm

dopey

Oct 23, 2023 11:27 AM

Sydney Morning Herald.
” People who voted NO on the basis they won’t vote for something that ‘treats individuals differently ‘ misunderstood what was being offered. There is a difference between horizontal equity that requires the equal treatment of equals; and vertical equity that requires the unequal treatment of unequals in proportion to their inequality. Misuse of the horizontal equity concept has denied justice. ”

Enrico Sondalini, Balgowlah

From the School of If It Floats It’s a Witch Studies at the University of Weet-Bix.
I’m sure Enrico self-identifies as a God Oracle too.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 12:02 pm

In other Twiggy news, took a drive along Maine Pde yesterday. A large crane over chez Twig and the heritage place next door shrouded in scaffolding. A busy time in Accounts Payable.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 12:02 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 11:26 AM
No “investment” promos from the convicted fraudster today Wodney?
How come you’ve gone quiet on that front?

LOL Mrs Stench Pantyhose. Please keep your constant amateur bleating. They make for grate posts. Wooden posts by the way and you still need treatment for that lippy lisp of yours. There are plenty of Quacks who Bulk Bill. All you have to do is to get orf’ yer’ fat arse and walk.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 12:04 pm

Enrico has supped deeply at the SMH well.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 23, 2023 12:04 pm

Goosebumps every time. I like how they morphed Christopher Reeve’s face in for that split second.

Homage.

Hans Zimmer LIVE – Man of Steel

duncanm
duncanm
October 23, 2023 12:05 pm

billie
Oct 23, 2023 9:45 AM
Barbara Fortuna – Corsican Polyphony

wonderful, revelatory .. I have Hector Zazou album (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h371M5JAbqY) that I keep revisiting.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:06 pm

The unsigned word-wall from an as yet unnamed group of angry Yessirs says it all.
They are fracturing like a crystal glass on the Carrara marble floor.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 23, 2023 12:08 pm

OldOzzie
Oct 23, 2023 11:08 AM

Some things seen cannot be unseen.
Some things read cannot be unread.

The Israelis are shaping up as Kipling’s (Orwell?) “rough men who stand ready to do violence on our behalf”

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 12:10 pm

portmanteau

Word of the day, folks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:11 pm

H B Bear

Oct 23, 2023 12:04 PM

Enrico has supped deeply at the SMH well.

Presumably by “vertical equity” Enrico means that Noel of Noosa should share his loot with poor Aboriginals?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 12:11 pm

And for all those Marty ‘Luvvers’ out there – Mrs Stencho Panty Hose, “Jer Cough Cretin” with the Big Nose, Dotty Dot of Dottiness, Neanderthal Person (KD) and others

James Sinclair Dies at 83

“Many have written in saying how they came to hear about me was that James Sinclair, they call Mr. Gold, was publishing my handwritten reports from prison on contempt. Jim contributed to the promotion of gold post-Bretton Woods. I was purely an institutional adviser before they threw me in contempt for refusing to turn over the source code to Socrates. When the US put Conrad Black in prison, who was a Canadian and British former newspaper publisher as well as a writer, he began writing from prison. I met Conrad when he and his son visited one of my Toronto Institutional sessions. When they imprisoned Conrad, he began writing for his newspaper; he inspired me to do the same.

It was then that my writings expanded from institutional to general public. Jim aided me by publishing what I was writing and spreading the word. Just because he was called Mr Gold did not mean we were always on opposite sides.

As Socrates said, when sentenced to death, it was either a migration of the soul to see all your old friends or it was like a midsummer night’s sleep – so peaceful not to be disturbed by a dream. We will meet again, my old friend.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/opinion/james-sinclair-dies-at-83/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 23, 2023 12:13 pm

Greta gets booted.

Education Ministry removes Greta Thunberg from curriculum after Hamas support (22 Oct)

The [Israeli] Education Ministry has said it will remove any reference to climate activist Greta Thunberg after she published a post over the weekend supporting the Hamas terrorist organization.

“Hamas is a terrorist organization responsible for the murder of 1,400 innocent Israelis, including children, women, and the elderly, and it has abducted over 200 people to Gaza,” the ministry said. “This stance disqualifies her from being an educational and moral role model, and she is no longer eligible to serve as an inspiration and educator for Israeli students.”

Shows how pervasive the Left is in the education space that even in Israel of all places the poor kids are forced to study this charlatan woman.

The Arabs probably won’t cause Israel to fall, but the Left just might.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:13 pm

JC

Oct 23, 2023 12:10 PM

portmanteau

Word of the day, folks.

Must of missed it.
Did Lizzie post another travelogue?

shatterzzz
October 23, 2023 12:13 pm

Not seeing too many (as in nil!) headlines in the media now that Israel has allowed them access to the verified details of the HAMAS slaughter …….
They were quick on the uptake for the hospital hoax and “staged” photos but, apparently, the 3 day news cycle has moved on sooooooooo nuttin’ ……!

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 12:15 pm

Here’s a hint: stop attacking people you bunch of paranoid

No, to be fair, we have pretty good record of Birdstrike Early Warning alarms.

When did Mark Bolton’s shift finish?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 12:16 pm
shatterzzz
October 23, 2023 12:17 pm

Seems the Yes leaders are not taking their loss well.

methinx, a lot of those YESers in the media frame may have overspent on the credit card given their high expectations of seats on the gravy train ..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:18 pm

When did Mark Bolton’s shift finish?

I think shortly after the meff pipe went out.

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 12:20 pm

“Also helped by the Americans French Canadians etc now confirming it was a jihad rocket.”

Al Jezeera had a live-stream that showed the event take place.

Their ABC so it must be true:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-19/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-palestinian-islamic-jihad/102995432

“The key piece of evidence is a video referenced by the Israeli military from a live stream by the media organisation Al Jazeera Arabic.

It shows what appears to be a rocket trailing above Gaza before a large blast is seen below.

The ABC has confirmed the Al Jazeera video showing a large explosion in central Gaza had occurred at the site of the hospital.”

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 12:24 pm

As Socrates said

BEEP BOOP!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:28 pm

Dot

Oct 23, 2023 12:24 PM

As Socrates said

BEEP BOOP!

And my tips for big stockmarket gains next quarter are … Bing Bong! Put another quarter in!

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 12:30 pm

Scamwatch

Investment scams
Investment scams promise big returns but the aim is to steal money from you.
Australians lose more money to investment scams than any other type. These scams can be hard to spot.

Don’t lose your life savings to a money-making opportunity that’s too good to be true.

Scammers use convincing marketing and new technology to make their investment sound too good to miss. They promise you big payouts with little or no risk. They often use pressure tactics to get you to act fast, so they can steal your money.
Warning signs it might be a scam

Fake news stories or ads that claim a celebrity recommends this scheme to make big money.
An online contact (a friend or romantic interest) that you’ve never met in person starts talking to you about investing.
Emails, websites or ads with testimonials and over-the-top promises of big returns.
High pressure tactics designed to rush you to act so you don’t ‘miss out’.
The ‘adviser’ who is helping you claims they don’t need an Australian financial services (AFS) license.
You are asked to promote the scheme to friends and family to earn commission.
Steps you can take to protect yourself

Always stop, think, and check before you act. These scams will often pressure you to act quickly. Don’t let them rush you into a bad decision.

Get independent legal advice, or financial advice from a financial advisor registered with ASIC.

Do your due diligence to make sure you know who you’re dealing with. Make sure the company or website is not named on the International Organization of Securities Commission’s (IOSCO) investor alerts.

Other things you should check:

that the person you are dealing with works for the organisation they say they do, using contact details you found yourself
the person trying to sell you a financial or investment product, or who is giving you financial advice, has an Australian financial services (AFS) license
the address and contact details for the company are correct on public listed directories
the company’s share listing on the stock exchange. If the offer to buy the shares is well below the market value shown – it’s a scam. If you are told the shares are being released pre – initial public offering (IPO) be even more cautious
when the domain name was registered. A new website for an existing company is a red flag

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:34 pm

An online contact (a friend or romantic interest) that you’ve never met in person starts talking to you about investing.
Emails, websites or ads with testimonials and over-the-top promises of big returns.

Oh dear.
That’s not you is it Wodney?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 12:35 pm

James Sinclair, they call Mr. Gold, was publishing my handwritten reports from prison on contempt

Johnny.

What’s your cut?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 23, 2023 12:38 pm

Wendy Bacon, that old purveyor of propaganda and fabricated hit pieces. Now ties herself unbreakably to a terrorist cause.

A friend who was a copper in the 70s has a photo of this creature wearing a nun’s habit desporting these words: “I’ve been fucked by God’s steel prick” – the perfect person to be teaching j’ism to j’ismists

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 12:41 pm

“The protests across the West are very deliberately parroting the Hamas charter, which calls for the extermination of ALL Jews, note…”

Worse than that – their “idea” is “First the Saturday people (Jews), then the Sunday people (Christians)”.
They hate everyone not their own, they want to kill everyone not their own.
They will only appear to assimilate into a foreign culture until their numbers are sufficient to begin the process of overthrowing it and installing their own warped, dangerous, backwards religion into primacy and total control.
“Oh, it’s just a few extremists” they say. No, this is what their (un)holy book tells them to do, how can you doubt it is their intent? Didn’t the disgusting “protests” show you anything at all about them?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 12:42 pm

Johnny.

What’s your cut?

Used to be a short back and sides but now with modern lingo in Barber World, it’s a number 5.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 23, 2023 12:44 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 12:45 pm

JC, the Scamwatch material also talks about the later stages of the scam, when the target is partially on the hook but starts to raise doubts and questions.
The scammer will try to isolate the source of the criticism using a number of techniques, including ridicule of any family members or friends who raise questions as “unsophisticated and envious”, and resort to lots of meaningless financial jargon.
Sound familiar?
Remember when people first raised Marty Armstrong’s criminal history here?

Figures
Figures
October 23, 2023 12:45 pm
shatterzzz
October 23, 2023 12:49 pm

Turned the grandees pix into wall canvas …….

https://ibb.co/8rBCch9

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 23, 2023 12:58 pm

MT
TL:DR
so I ticked it both ways, just to hedge my bets

shatterzzz
October 23, 2023 1:00 pm

Figures
Oct 23, 2023 12:45 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/in-its-lust-for-justice-israel-is-doing-exactly-what-hamas-wants-and-guaranteeing-another-generation-of-misery/news-story/fb893b5e1c69a5d4bc0743861fd541cc
Quality analysis. Just like Germany and Japan only became radicalized after they were bombed.

The whole article is blaming the Israelis, specifically Netanyahu, for what has/is happening but comes thru as “quality analysis” ……..
An Ed Husic uptick .. thoroughly deserved! .. FFS!

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:00 pm

collectively you clowns have crafted a whole imaginary universe of up/down tickers to avoid the obvious
that you’re all just mid-wits who apparently think yr the brainiest evah

Why thank you Matrix.

Most of us are probably very smart in very narrow fields, reasonably smart across a broader range, and utterly clueless on many…many things.

I think my conclusions about my particular “fan” stand up. I don’t see why I shouldn’t mention it just because you think I shouldn’t. It doesn’t make me a mid-wit on the issue. It just means you don’t like me doing it.

As for the rest, I don’t think much of niggling and scab picking. We were warned not to.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 1:04 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 12:45 PM

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, it is quite interesting that something so straight forward could get you and your other cronies into a cluttering flutter like some headless chickens.

Please keep up the ineffectual wooden posts. A class/arse act indeed.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 1:05 pm

What’s your cut, Wodney?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 23, 2023 1:05 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 1:06 pm

you’re all just mid-wits who apparently think yr the brainiest evah

No-one here claimed to be a God Oracle.
Oh, wait …

Figures
Figures
October 23, 2023 1:11 pm

Sorry. I thought the sarcasm of my previous post was very clear.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 1:11 pm

Click on Wodney’s nameplate “Johnny rotten” and you end up here

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/

Promoting an “investment” scam conference in Nov. held by the fraudster.

Unreal.

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:12 pm

I didn’t get my full share of S&B today – the power is out and the librarians decided to take half the day off. Manual doors meant…everybody out! Shades of The Rag Trade and Fenner’s Fashions.

The way of things to come.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 23, 2023 1:14 pm

Presumably by “vertical equity” Enrico means that Noel of Noosa should share his loot with poor Aboriginals?

No no no.
What is Noel’s is Noel’s.
Whatever poor aboriginals have is Noel’s too.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 23, 2023 1:14 pm

They produced many classics.

Pet Shop Boys:

Pet Shop Boys – The Lost Room (Official Video)

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 1:14 pm

“We’d need 66mm to reach the long term monthly average.”

The clue here is “average” – it’s not the same every year. Sometimes it’s above, sometimes it’s below, and it’s almost never “average”.

Look at it this way – the trip computer on my car might say my average speed is 33km/h. That doesn’t mean I should expect to do 33km/h all the time, everywhere I go, does it?

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 1:18 pm

The clue here is “average” – it’s not the same every year. Sometimes it’s above, sometimes it’s below, and it’s almost never “average”.

Are you the down ticker, Kneel?

bons
bons
October 23, 2023 1:20 pm

If HAMAS want to totally defeat Israel’s attempts to destroy them all they need to do is surrender en mass.

An impossible circumstance for Israel to cope with and handing control of the conflict to the UN.

As they say in the gangster movies “my brief (read UN) will have me out in a week”.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 1:21 pm

An online contact (a friend or romantic interest) that you’ve never met in person starts talking to you about investing.
Emails, websites or ads with testimonials and over-the-top promises of big returns.

LOL. It is a simple email update invitation. No one has to say YES. In fact, most may say NO and just ignore/delete.

Freedom is NOT a dirty word.

Headless chickens seem to reign supreme here as well as to be so wound up with “up thumbs” and “down thumbs”. Seems like a lot of Dumb Dumb stuff to me. Bur then again, “That’s Life”.

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 1:21 pm

Meanwhile…

From today companies will have to disclose the carbon emissions of workers travelling to and from work and on business trips to ASIC.

– AFR

Stick a fork in us, we’re done.

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:21 pm

It’s like The Masked Singer Thumb!

Cassie of Sydney
October 23, 2023 1:23 pm

So, how can these two pieces of excrement, Josh Robertson and Mark Willacy, keep their jobs at the ABC? Oh wait, of course they can keep their jobs at the ABC, just like Louse Nilligan kept her job after a HC 7-0 verdict.

Witness in ABC war crimes defamation case apologises to Heston Russell

A former US soldier at the centre of the Heston Russell defamation case has issued an apology to the Australian war veteran.
William Tyson

The former US soldier at the centre of the Heston Russell defamation case has issued an apology to the Australian war veteran after he won a defamation case against the ABC’s reporting of war crimes last week.

Russell sued the ABC and two of its reporters in the Federal Court for defaming him in a series of linked articles and broadcasts involving his 2012 service in Afghanistan.

His claim centred around aired allegations US forces refused to work with the 2nd Commando Regiment’s November Platoon after believing they had executed a hogtied Afghan prisoner.

The former major was commander of the platoon and sued the ABC and reporters Josh Robertson and Mark Willacy.

The source at the centre of the failed case, a former helicopter pilot from the US Marines, issued a message to Mr Russell over the weekend.

“This has been a lesson learned about how my intentions may not have matched the intentions of the people I spoke with,” Dean said in his statement.

“I was naive about how everything would play out, and in retrospect should have been much more thoughtful about what was shared.”

The former helicopter pilot claimed he was on a mission in Afghanistan in 2012 and assumed Aussie soldiers had killed a prisoner in cold blood after he heard a pop sound over the radio.

He doubled down on his apology and said he was sorry that the lesson he learned came at Russell’s expense.

“I have no plans on ever speaking to any media or anyone else about what happened over there with your unit again, and I’m sorry my lesson learned came at your expense, I can only imagine the stress it put on you and the people you care about,” the statement said.

The federal court ruled in favour of the retired war veteran Heston Russell, he is now entitled to $390,000 in damages and legal costs will be determined on Tuesday.

It was all concocted, just like the Pell case. Well, at least Dean has apologised to Russell.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 23, 2023 1:28 pm

DrF you’d never make a politician, you know too much that matters.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 23, 2023 1:30 pm

The ABC – can never go low enough. Brought to you by Canbra and nothing good comes out of Canbra.

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 1:32 pm

“Are you the down ticker, Kneel?”

Nope – I never downtick, only ever uptick.

MatrixTransform
October 23, 2023 1:33 pm

When did Mark Bolton’s shift finish?

am I Bird too am I ?

…. what a bunch of paranoid wierdos

MatrixTransform
October 23, 2023 1:34 pm

sorry folks

I guess the barking will continue all day

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 1:35 pm

JC
Oct 23, 2023 1:11 PM

LOL. You Cronies are so easy to wind up. I did start off with the website address as the ATOs. It seems that the website information needs to be completed to be able to post here. Maybe I should have got my own website address as “JohnnyRotten.dot.com” or something similar.

Talk about paranoia and headless chickens in a clucking flurry.

Take a Bex and have a lay down. Wimps. With no farking sense of humour and full of blown up self importance, you lot are hilarious.

Pls keep up the wooden posts. Great Entertainment all round IMHO.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 1:37 pm

What’s your cut, Wodney?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 1:37 pm

MatrixTransform
Oct 23, 2023 1:34 PM
sorry folks

I guess the barking will continue all day

More like toothless paper tigers. Miaowwwww. Pussy Cats indeed.

Crossie
Crossie
October 23, 2023 1:37 pm

Now, to turn on that White Elephant called “The Sydney Desalination Plant”. Have they fixed it yet after that devastating hailstorm a few years ago caused a load of damage? Does the Plant still work or is it still in mothballs? Does anyone know?

They could easily operate it with all the electricity being generated by solar panels on every second suburban house. Here is one thing that is not dependent on the time of day, just pump the water into reservoirs if and when it is desalinated.

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:38 pm

It seems that the website information needs to be completed to be able to post here.

No Johnny. The “website” is an optional field.

From time to time commenters have left a symbol in the field by mistake and it leads nowhere.

Leave it blank and find out.

Mark Bolton
October 23, 2023 1:40 pm

I quite liked you last spray ..though it doesn’t concern me because because that game is of no interest.

I have always just poked my nose in during a break, to see id any of you have found anything obscure and informative. Quite often someone has.

I seem to remember the first such was Proffessor Bunyip.

Younger happier days…

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:42 pm

If you do certain things to troll people, don’t be surprised if they troll back.

Just a version of some wise advice from my old Mum.

No good complaining about a kicked bum if you threw the first punch.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 1:43 pm

JC
Oct 23, 2023 1:37 PM
What’s your cut, Wodney?

LOL. More lisping from one of the other cronies. I refer you to my previous posted reply to Neanderthal Person (KD). Pls search this Blog in your own good time while you are down at that Boozer that you frequent.

The C U in the N T can keep you up to date.

Keep up with the clucking flurries and lay an egg while your at it.

Over and out – Agent Rotten.

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 1:47 pm

Dummy spit:

City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 1:49 pm

Sydney was founded by nobody, apparently.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 23, 2023 1:50 pm

Johnny.

What’s your cut?

Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, “Johnny” might actually be the Great Man himself?

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:50 pm

Naturally, some of us don’t mean to annoy…it just happens by default. A type of Super Power.

It’s the internet version of that “look on your face” which we were told so many times to wipe off. Bit hard when it’s welded on.

rosie
rosie
October 23, 2023 1:51 pm

Zulu’s comment regarding Israel soldiers not taking prisoners, is there a source for that?
Because I don’t see any evidence that a ground incursion has commenced
They certainly took prisoners in the clean up after 7 October.
And why wouldn’t they take prisoners if circumstances permit, , for intelligence gathering, as bargaining chips and because they aren’t barbaric sub humans

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 1:53 pm

Dummy spit:

City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

That’s disgusting. Many of those statues were erected by subscription from donors and are part of our heritage.

Why should we pretend these people didn’t exist or their work was somehow “tainted”? The only taint I can sense is the stench of virtue signalling by the puny and pointless.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 1:56 pm

Wodney, you are endorsing a fraudulent website run by a convicted con artist who served an 11-year sentence in a federal prison in the United States for embezzling money from victims.

A website that was linked to here recently made a compelling case for the deception that is the Armstrong enterprise as a whole.

I’ll re-post it.

https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com/p/where-and-how-to-complain.html

The fact that you are continuously endorsing the website while disparaging those who have repeatedly pointed out that it is a scam raises suspicions among me and others that you are involved in some kind of money scheme with the scammer. Now that you’ve pulled the trigger, we’ll see how everything turns out.

Best wishes, Champ.

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 1:58 pm

Why should we pretend these people didn’t exist or their work was somehow “tainted”?

The…(clears throat) chief rationale behind the emotion…er, sorry, the motion, is that such statues are triggering to indigenous folk.

rosie
rosie
October 23, 2023 1:58 pm
Vicki
Vicki
October 23, 2023 1:59 pm

City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

Clover knows nothing about History. She used to teach a meaningless subject called “Life Oriented Studies” or some such to tradies at TAFE. She had curly permed hair then.

Delta A
Delta A
October 23, 2023 2:00 pm

JC, you posted about scams upthread. Just minutes later, I read

this.

MatrixTransform
October 23, 2023 2:01 pm

Why thank you Matrix.

wasn’t about you Calli

Most of us are probably very smart in very narrow fields, reasonably smart across a broader range, and utterly clueless on many…many things.

exactly

I don’t see why I shouldn’t mention it just because you think I shouldn’t. It doesn’t make me a mid-wit on the issue. It just means you don’t like me doing it.

didn’t say that

I did consider as I wrote that you might feel like I was including you as also.
I was not

I’m talking about the paranoid obsessives that oscillate between, Blog Rescuer, Blog Victim, and Blog Perpetrator

its pretty mental

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 2:03 pm

Delta, I’ve seen those sorts of things before. Yeah, it’s a scam of some sort.

Roger
Roger
October 23, 2023 2:05 pm

…such statues are triggering to indigenous folk.

Which is bogus, because as any mental health professional will tell you, the key to overcoming trauma is not the avoidance of triggers but exposure to them by which one becomes desensitised to them.

If anyone is actually traumatised by statues, that is.

Speedbox
October 23, 2023 2:05 pm

shatterzzz
Oct 23, 2023 1:00 PM

The author of that article is Sam Clench. His writings are typical Lefty stuff (I don’t know whether he ever worked at the ABC but he may as well have – he would fit right in.) His writings on Donald Trump are visceral and unhinged.

Also notice he is now calling himself Samuel, not the abbreviated Sam which he always used previously. Probably thinks it gives him more gravitas.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 23, 2023 2:11 pm

Rosie – Have to link directly the tweet itself these days. Elon has changed it so people like me who aren’t signed up can’t see anything new. Latest tweet I can read of his is from Nov 2022.

I’m still not inclined to sign up. Not on Spacechook either.

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 23, 2023 2:12 pm

why wouldn’t they take prisoners if circumstances permit

umm ahh err umm gee whiz that’s a tough question. NOT

duncanm
duncanm
October 23, 2023 2:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 23, 2023 11:04 AM
Some much needed rain forecast for this neck of the woods later in the week.

Brace for climate howling.

Sydney facing water restrictions within a year as dams dip (Terror, 22 Oct, paywalled)

Had a mate point out to me the other day that Warragamba can be filled and drained at will from the Shoalhaven and Upper Nepean systems, and is often drained for use as a social cudgel.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 23, 2023 2:14 pm

Direct links to tweets do work, but you don’t get the thread or the replies. Good enough though.

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 2:24 pm

Mark Bolton
Oct 23, 2023 1:40 PM
I quite liked you last spray ..though it doesn’t concern me because because that game is of no interest.

I have always just poked my nose in during a break, to see id any of you have found anything obscure and informative. Quite often someone has.

Drop and give me 200 push-ups.

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 2:26 pm

“Also notice he is now calling himself Samuel, not the abbreviated Sam which he always used previously. Probably thinks it gives him more gravitas.”

He actually thinks? Got any evidence for that? 🙂

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 2:26 pm

Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, “Johnny” might actually be the Great Man himself?

Not likely, it did cross my mind once. Someone I respect is old friends with him. I don’t really have much against JR. It’s literally just the Armstrong stuff that sends me troppo.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 2:28 pm

I don’t know which is worse.
Links to an ongoing Ponzi scheme run by a convicted felon, or posting Pet Shop Boys videos.

Alamak!
October 23, 2023 2:29 pm

to see id any of you have found anything obscure and informative. Quite often someone has.

Henry the 8th completed nuptials less than than Elizabeth Taylor. Not a lot of people know this useful fact. Please send your cheque to the usual address before 2030.

MatrixTransform
October 23, 2023 2:29 pm

Drop and give me 200 push-ups.

well there you go

Dot seems to have reach peak physical condition via calisthenics …

go ahead … jump to more conclusions.

it will only make you stronger

Davey Boy
October 23, 2023 2:29 pm

Mark Bolton == Mortal Knob

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 23, 2023 2:31 pm

Nice on on CLs place about the tollerating the intollerant.

This line stood out
Governments should have discriminated against all of them when they applied to come here.

I can think of a prime example from back in the detention days.
We had 80% or so Muslim pop in detention, some Sri Lankans and a scattering of “others”.
We also had the Mandaleans a small pre Christian group who are massively persecuted in Iran & Iraq.

Now keep in mind all the people in detention were claiming to be fleeing persecution, sometimes political, often religious. How do you think the Mandaleans were treated?

The men were assaulted often, the women as well, and the kids couldnt play with any of the others there and were effectively driven from school.
Yet none of the persecutors had it held against them when it came time to let them into Australia.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 2:31 pm

Looks like the status and identity of Mr Bolt-On is confirmed.

Crossie
Crossie
October 23, 2023 2:32 pm

calli
Oct 23, 2023 1:53 PM
Dummy spit:
City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

That’s disgusting. Many of those statues were erected by subscription from donors and are part of our heritage.
Why should we pretend these people didn’t exist or their work was somehow “tainted”? The only taint I can sense is the stench of virtue signalling by the puny and pointless.

They are simply adopting the culture of their new BFF, the Palestinians, whose religion forbids it.

Kneel
Kneel
October 23, 2023 2:33 pm

“I don’t know which is worse.
Links to an ongoing Ponzi scheme run by a convicted felon, or posting Pet Shop Boys videos.”

Hmm… tough choice. I’d have to say the music – at least the Ponzi scheme doesn’t get stuck in your head…

areff
areff
October 23, 2023 2:33 pm

Should be funnier than regular ALPBC comedy programming

That wouldn’t be difficult.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 2:35 pm

It seems that the website information needs to be completed to be able to post here.

No Johnny. The “website” is an optional field.

Quite so.
There is absolutely no reason to link to Marty Armstrong’s Ponzi.
You do realise, Wodney, that you own everything he promotes by linking to it, right?
And you have now been unequivocally told that it is not a mandatory field here.
What is your cut, Wodney?

rosie
rosie
October 23, 2023 2:38 pm

Basically Avi said if your calling for a ceasefire, haven’t condemned hamas and demanded the return of hostages, he has no interest in anything you have to say.
#meneither

Davey Boy
October 23, 2023 2:40 pm

Senator Lidia Thorpe == shittier loon parade == polite diarrhea snot

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 23, 2023 2:44 pm

Nothing good comes out of Canbra. Federal Hwy, Barton Hwy, Kings Hwy and the Monaro Hwy.

Frank
Frank
October 23, 2023 2:44 pm

I don’t know which is worse.
Links to an ongoing Ponzi scheme run by a convicted felon, or posting Pet Shop Boys videos.

Marginal improvement over Bronski Beat either way.

Cassie of Sydney
October 23, 2023 2:46 pm

“Basically Avi said if your calling for a ceasefire, haven’t condemned hamas and demanded the return of hostages, he has no interest in anything you have to say.
#meneither”

Yep.

Vicki
Vicki
October 23, 2023 2:50 pm

Many will recall all the details of the George Floyd case. We all had an opinion. I confess I thought that, while the officer clearly went beyond legal restraints, the circumstances contributed to the man’s death. Dr. Pierre Kory was the pulmonary specialist called upon to give an opinion on the cause of death in the subsequent legal case. Dr. Kory has since became internationally known as a significant expert on the dangers of administering the mRNA vaccines, and an emergency expert who saved many lives through the administration of Ivermectin & other repurposed drugs. I very much respect his expertise in pulmonary medicine – so I was surprised to find my uneducated opinion on the George Floyd case necessarily revised. This is an account he has just published after the matter was raised by Tucker Carlson.

Recently, Tucker Carlson, who I consider to be a highly skilled, professional, and widely respected journalist, reported that the public was lied to about the cause of George Floyd’s death and that he actually died of an opiate overdose. He is apparently basing this reporting on the opinion of the Hennepin County Prosecutor Amy Sweasy who claims that Dr. Andrew Baker, the medical examiner who performed Floyd’s autopsy, withheld Floyd’s true cause of death for fear of public retaliation.

As the pulmonologist expert witness retained in the civil case, I was provided access to all of the medical evidence. I spent dozens of hours reviewing video footage, ambulance records, medical records, toxicology reports and autopsy findings. I want Mr. Carlson to understand why my interpretation of all of the available evidence (still) strongly leads to the opposite conclusion of what the medical examiner is apparently now saying. I want to state at the outset that the medical examiner’s opinion then, as well as now, did not influence my conclusion so his changing of his interpretation has little relevance.

I am curious as to whether Mr. Carlson will correct his reporting if indeed he agrees with my below interpretation as an independant medical expert.

Before I go any further, a disclaimer: I recognize that the George Floyd case is a highly divisive and emotionally charged one for countless Americans. Many are profoundly saddened and outraged over the circumstances of his death; others are convinced he died of a drug overdose or believe he deserves little sympathy given his criminal background. Plenty are angered by the often supportive media coverage of the subsequent and sometimes violent Black Lives Matter movement protests.

So let me be clear: I am not a lawyer, a prosecutor or a judge. I am not a political scientist, or a sociologist, or a psychologist. I was not asked to deliver a moral or character assessment of Mr. Floyd. I have never met a saint, although I have known a few people that I feel come close. I never met Mr. Floyd. I was simply asked for my expert opinion as a lung and ICU specialist as to the proximate cause of his death based on all the available evidence, of which there was an extensive amount. It was an important task and one I felt confident I was expertly suited to perform.

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Know that I have for years done expert witness reviews of medical malpractice cases as I find the work both interesting and challenging. The lawyers I worked for had consistently rated my work highly thus I was consulted often. The firm representing Mr. Floyd’s family in their wrongful death lawsuit interviewed me within days of his death and I was quickly retained (as an aside, this was 5 months before I became an expert in the use of ivermectin in Covid and was subsequently punished professionally for my resulting advocacy of the medicine). Had Mr. Floyd’s death occurred after that point, I am sure I would never have been retained.

The official expert testimony I submitted (found at the end of this post) is a lengthy and comprehensively detailed document which I’m honored to say my mentor Paul Mayo called, “a master class in pulmonary physiology.”

My report concluded that George Floyd didn’t die from (just) a knee on the neck nor were the drugs found in his system a major contributor. Just as with the response to the Covid pandemic, I think it is important to understand exactly what happened to Mr. Floyd so that it never happens again.

For those not interested in reading the lengthy report, I will instead focus on clarifying what I think are the two most critical misinterpretations of the available evidence that I have seen on social media and in certain press outlets.

That Mr. Floyd died of an opiate overdose due to severely elevated levels of fentanyl measured in his bloodstream as documented in his toxicology report.
In order to properly interpret the levels found, one must first recognize that chronic opiate users, which Mr. Floyd was, can and do often develop significant levels of physiologic tolerance to opiates. Thus the absolute level measured in a chronic user is not accurately predictive of the degree of intoxication or death. However, I agree that if Mr. Floyd’s level was found in an opiate-naive user, it would almost certainly predict unconsciousness and/or risk of death.

Much more important than the level of opiates found in his blood is that clinically, throughout the videotaped arrest, Mr. Floyd was conscious and able to walk and communicate clearly. Due to his known claustrophobia, he was even able to struggle with officers on two separate occasions as they tried to force him into the back of a police car. His awake and physically active state was observed up until he was placed into prone restraint for many minutes. Also, when he was first placed in prone restraint, he was clearly awake, in distress, and begging to have the pressure of the officers bodies be removed from his back and neck.

The physical and cognitive abilities exhibited by Mr. Floyd are completely inconsistent with someone severely intoxicated with an opiate. In opiate intoxication, patients are lethargic, minimally arousable, and/or exhibit slowed breathing.

As a pulmonologist expert in physical examination, I did not observe shallow or slowed breathing until he was put into prone restraint (i.e. face and chest down on a hard surface). Recall that properly trained police officers are taught to never restrain a suspect in this position, because it is well known to cause death due to the inability of a suspect to sufficiently breathe. So, although he was probably somewhat high given the fentanyl found in his system, it was not severe clinically nor did it appear life-threatening.

Third, opiate overdoses occur within seconds to minutes of IV administration and the first physiologic effect is loss of consciousness prior to breathing then slowing and the heart then stopping minutes later (in massive IV overdoses, the first two can occur simultaneously and quickly). Thus, the prolonged time between when he would have last had access to IV opiates and when he stopped breathing in prone restraint was far too prolonged to blame on an IV opiate overdose. But what about if he had swallowed a bunch of pills containing opiates as the officers were approaching just prior to the arrest?

Certainly, if it was a really large amount of pills or a very high dosage form, this could lead to an overdose, but again, the absorption of oral opiates is much much slower and, if that was occurring, would have led to a slowly progressive intoxication evidenced by gradually diminishing consciousness and clarity, loss of muscle tone/activity, and slowed breathing. Although not directly relevant nor did it figure into my conclusion, I was provided no evidence of him having overdosed in the past.

But let’s just say, for the sake of argument, that the opiates he allegedly took prior to arrest just started to enter his bloodstream during the same time period he was put into prone restraint. A couple of problems with making this argument. First, I found no report of any witness or police officer who described him swallowing pills. That supposedly happened in a prior arrest in 2019 but was not documented in the 2020 arrest. From a media report, he had “foam” around his mouth and “semi-chewed pills” were allegedly found in his car but again, even if it were true, from the above, he was not initially severely intoxicated.

Second, know that prone restraint causes carbon dioxide (CO2) to slowly rise in the suspect’s blood as a result of their inability to inhale and exhale sufficiently, a condition called “CO2 narcosis.” C02 narcosis, as the name suggests, presents identically to opiate intoxication with increasing lethargy evolving into unconsciousness, slowed breathing, and then cardiac arrest.

Thus, in order to say that he died of an opiate overdose, you have to believe that it is more likely that his (supposedly) slowly rising opiate absorption reached a critical level at the same time that he was many minutes into a breath-restricting and C02 narcosis-causing prone restraint position. This is so improbable as to be near impossible. In medical malpractice causation, the evidence standard for cause is that which is “more likely than not.” The problem with this argument is that patients whose respiratory drive is being suppressed by opiates… never complain of it (Mr. Floyd was crying “I can’t breathe” repeatedly – with each plea ignored). In contrast, opiate overdose victims first descend into a sleep-like, highly pleasurable state, and then progress into unconscious, their breathing slows, stops, and they arrest.

But there’s more to disprove opiate overdose than a compelling probability assessment.

So lets entertain this hypothesis even further. Let’s again entertain that the (allegedly) rising oral opiate absorption hit a critical level causing gradual unconsciousness perfectly timed in the middle of a prolonged, three officer-weight bearing prone restraint episode.

Here is where you need to know that in one of the videos, there is a bystander who claimed he had specific training which led him to shout at the officers, over and over, “get off his neck man, you ain’t supposed to do that, get off his neck, get off his neck, he can’t breathe” which, after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness, changed to “check his pulse, check his pulse, he ain’t breathing, check his pulse, he is dead man.”

They did not take their weight off of Mr. Floyd, either at the time or for many minutes after. This is important because opiate overdoses are easily treatable as long as you can support breathing. For instance, I have taken care of many many dozens of opiate overdoses in the ICU. As long as the unconscious overdose patient is found with a pulse or pulse can be restored with CPR, all they need is a breathing tube and mechanical ventilator support until the opiate wears off. I cannot tell you how many young overdose victims I admitted on a ventilator. The majority would wake up hours later when the opiates wore off and then were quickly discharged alive from the ICU.

Certainly an uncomfortable minority never woke up due to anoxic brain injury from being in cardiac arrest for too long prior to successful CPR. However, in Floyd’s case, that would not and should not have happened because 4 police officers trained in CPR were present at the scene and could have identified pulselessness quickly (they were being begged to do so by bystanders). So, they were right there when he lapsed into unconsciousness, and thus they could have rapidly taken their body weight off of him, identified pulselessness, and initiated CPR.

But that didn’t happen until many minutes later when an ambulance paramedic showed up on the scene and tapped Officer Chauvin’s shoulder to get him to release his knee from the neck of the lifeless Mr. Floyd (I should point out that even the paramedic did not immediately check the pulse of unconscious Mr. Floyd, which to me as an intensivist, violated medical standards).

Thus, and I don’t want to litigate this, but I believe that based on the above actions, the crime would still have been homicide/unintentional murder/3rd degree murder based on the use of an aggressive and life-threatening prone restraint along with their indifference to Mr. Floyd’s unconscious and limp body. Lastly, all of the toxicology data and medical record data were presented and argued in the criminal case, and a jury of his peers found Chauvin guilty of same.

The second misinterpreted piece of evidence is that that no damage or fracture to his trachea (windpipe) was found on autopsy thus he did not die of asphyxiation.
What you need to know is that the windpipe is only half made of cartilage/bone. The posterior half is actually made of soft tissue. Windpipes can thus be occluded easily, either with hands around the neck via strangling, or just pressure from a knee. The trachea does not have to fracture to be occluded. Heck, when I was doing bronchoscopy and my scope was in the trachea, if the patient responded with a vigorous cough, the trachea would occlude transiently due to thoracic pressure “ballooning” the posterior membranous wall to contact the anterior wall and occlude. But that occurs transiently and is of no significant consequence. So, fracture of the trachea is not required for prolonged occlusion to have occurred.

Further, it is my opinion that Mr. Floyd did not die of asphyxiation solely due to the pressure on Mr. Floyd’s neck from Officer Chauvin’s knee. Had this been the sole cause, total occlusion of the trachea via external forces would have rendered communication impossible. When Chauvin’s knee was initially placed on Mr. Floyd’s neck, he could phonate (i,.e. make sounds) given that he was recorded pleading with the officers to “get off” of him and then later, just before he became unconscious, he began calling out for his mother. This is impossible with an occluded trachea. It is also impossible in severe opiate intoxication.

Instead, my conclusion was that Mr. Floyd died by the combined forces of three officers bearing weight on his thoracic cage (upper back, lower back, and neck/throat) against a concrete surface, rendering him unable to take in sufficient oxygen or expel sufficient carbon dioxide with each breath. It is a rapidly and extremely distressing sensation to not be able to take in a sufficient volume of air with each breath. Just think back to the last overly vigorous bear hug you received and how quickly you became uncomfortable and sought release.

Ultimately, it was my determination that Mr. Floyd was slowly suffocated as a result of the combined weight of multiple officers on this thoracic cage and windpipe after being placed in the prone position. It was a severely distressing way to die.

GEORGE FLOYD EXPERT OPINION REPORT

June 9, 2020

Dear Ms. Roman (not the attorneys name):

You have asked me to review materials and offer expert opinions concerning the cause of death of Mr. George Floyd during his videotaped apprehension and arrest which occurred on May 25, 2020, in Minneapolis, MN.

I am a physician licensed by the States of Wisconsin and Illinois. I am a graduate of St. George’s University School of Medicine and I completed an Internal Medicine Residency at Columbia University’s St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Internal Medicine Residency Program in New York City followed by a Pulmonary Disease and Critical Care Medicine Fellowship at The Albert Einstein School of Medicine’s Beth Israel Medical Center in Manhattan. I am Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, and Critical Care Medicine. I have evaluated and treated a large number of patients over the past 15 years who have presented with a myriad of respiratory ailments with a large proportion of those patients having suffered acute respiratory failure in the ICU or on the hospital wards at multiple medical centers that I have worked at. Further, I had a large pulmonary and bronchoscopy practice for almost a decade in New York City where I performed numerous interventional and diagnostic procedures in the airway and thoracic cavity. I have also served as the Program Director of a large fellowship training program at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City for a period of 3 years prior to being recruited by the University of Wisconsin where I then served as the Chief of the Critical Care Service and the Medical Director of the Trauma and Life Support Center for the past 5 years. I am also known as one of the pioneers and world experts in critical care ultrasonography, a skill set which has led to me becoming the senior editor of the best-selling textbook “Point of Care Ultrasound” which is in its 2nd edition and has been translated into 6 languages.

My expert opinions are based upon my skill, education, training, and experience, and my knowledge of the medical and scientific literature. I have also considered the following materials in forming my opinions in this matter:

1. Code of Conduct, City of Minneapolis – Dated May 25, 2020

2. Use of Force, Minneapolismn.org, 5/26/20

3. 911 Call Transcript, Redacted, FOIA, 111725.pdf

4. Hennepin CME Autopsy 2020-3700 (Floyd) -111817

5. EMT Report -111711.pdf

6. Hennepin CME Summary Autopsy Findings

7. Videos

a. Watch A Minute-To-Minute Breakdown Leading Up To George Floyd’s Deadly Arrest | NBC News NOW

b. Full video of 2 officers murder George Floyd

c. Facebook posted video of George Floyd Arrest https://www.facebook.com/NIT2019/videos/255189079067424

d. How George Floyd Was Killed in Police Custody | Visual Investigationse. Presentation of preliminary independent autopsy findings

I have found with a reasonable degree of medical certainty that George Floyd died from asphyxiation as the direct result of the use of excessive restraining force by at least 3 of the police officers who participated in restraining Mr. Floyd. The forces that caused his asphyxiation (defined as “the state or process of being deprived of oxygen, which can result in unconsciousness or death; suffocation) resulted from the simultaneous application of near full body weight pressure by two grown men of unknown weight, with one who applied pressure with both knees on his back and one with his knee on his neck/spine while he lay prone on the ground in handcuffs, with the third officer restraining the movement of his legs such that Mr. Floyd could not change this threatened position.

The foundation of this expert opinion will be detailed in the summary of the evidence along with a review of respiratory system structure and function that follows. I will state at the outset that, based on the evidence presented, I am unable to determine precisely the relative contribution of each of the injurious forces that I have identified as it is my opinion that Mr. Floyd’s asphyxiation resulted from multiple, simultaneous injurious forces which limited his ability to take in sufficient volumes of air which led to him being deprived of sufficient oxygen to sustain his life. The simultaneous forces, combined with a disadvantageous mechanical respiratory position to support breathing are as follows; 1) excessive weight pressure on neck/upper back by Officer Chauvin which limited the superior expansion of the thorax during compromised positioning while also partially or completely occluding the upper airway “windpipe”, 2) excessive body weight pressure on lower/mid back by Officer Keung whose knees were positioned on top of Mr. Floyd and which limited diaphragmatic displacement to an extent which prevented sufficient inhaled air flow and volume, and 3) the prone positioning of Mr. Floyd on the ground which subsequently compressed his chest, limiting thoracic cage expansion which would allow for sufficient inhaled air flow and volume, and 4) the immobilization of Mr. Floyd’s legs by Officer Lane, preventing him from adjusting his body position in any manner which could relieve him of the aforementioned injurious restricting forces on his ventilatory ability.

Evidence

FORCE 1: As seen on the above listed videos taken from the sidewalk side of the police vehicle, and based on identification taken from a review of newspaper reports, Officer Chauvin can be seen applying pressure using his knee positioned on the upper neck and back of Mr. Floyd for a continuous period of approximately 10 minutes and 32 seconds.

FORCE 2: Officer Keung can be seen, during a shorter video taken from the street side of the car, with his 2 knees elevated off the street and placed on what appears to be the mid-lower back of Mr. Floyd. Given the limited duration of this video, I am unable to determine the length of time that Officer Keung’s body weight pressure was placed on Mr. Floyd’s mid-lower back beyond the time duration of this video.

FORCE 3: Officer Lane is positioned closest to Mr. Floyd’s feet with Officer’s Lanes arms extended over what appear to be the position of Mr. Floyd’s legs, thus rendering them immobile. The immobility of his legs further restricted Mr. Floyd’s ability to shift body position so as to relieve the injurious restricting ventilatory forces above.

MALPOSITION: Throughout both videos taken from street and sidewalk side of the car, Mr. Floyd can be seen in; 1) prone position and, 2) with his hands pulled behind him in a handcuff position preventing him from relieving the pressure on his chest or modifying his position so as to augment his breathing capacity.

Overview of the Critical Structures and Functions of the Respiratory System

In order to understand how the above forces and malposition led to the asphyxiation of Mr. Floyd, several concepts must be understood in order to understand the minimum amount of breathing (i.e. “minimum minute ventilation”) required to sustain life and how the above forces and malposition rendered Mr. Floyd unable to achieve this “minimum minute ventilation” so as to prevent his cardiac arrest/death.

Oxygen gas, present in atmospheric air, is required by all the cells in the body in order to create and use the energy to maintain each individual cell’s structure and function. These life sustaining oxygen molecules are absorbed by the air sacs in the lungs and then are transferred to the red blood cells circulating through the lung capillaries to then be pumped by the heart through the blood vessels of the body so that the oxygen molecules they carry can be delivered to each organ/cell. However, if these cells and/or organs are deprived of sufficient oxygen/energy, they begin to lose function, structural integrity, and if deprived of sufficient oxygen over a prolonged period, the cells and/or organs will sustain irreversible damage and cell/organ death.

Oxygen delivery is dependent on 2 main physiologic functions; 1) cardiac output, i.e. sufficient circulating blood flow per minute such that oxygen carrying red blood cells can “deliver” oxygen to each cell, with cardiac output dependent on the “pump function” of the heart, i.e. the heart must be able to receive sufficient oxygen to contract and forcefully eject enough blood flow throughout the circulation and 2) minute ventilation, i.e. the sufficient intake (inhalation) of a sufficient volume of fresh oxygen gas to be absorbed by these red blood cells while also transferring the carbon dioxide gas content from the blood to the open lung units in order to be able to exhale this gas into the atmosphere (carbon dioxide being the waste product of energy metabolism of the body).

Minute ventilation is defined by the volume of air inhaled/exhaled with each breath (i.e. “tidal volume”) multiplied by the rate at which this volume is exchanged per minute (i.e. “respiratory rate”).

Minute ventilation (MV) varies with the amount of energy being consumed which is dependent on the amount of activity being performed. For instance, at rest, an adult male will breathe, on average, approximately 12 times per minute and take in about 500 milliliters of air with each breath, thus the MV of an adult human at rest is approximately 6 liters per minute to support the energy required of a body at rest. During light, moderate, and extreme exercise in highly trained male athletes, MV can be increased to approximately 12, 60, and up to 180 liters per minute respectively. Note that MV can only increase via 2 factors; 1) the “tidal volume” of each breath is increased by expanding the volume of the thoracic cage via; contraction of the diaphragmatic muscle which pulls the diaphragm lower into the abdominal cavity, contraction of the intercostal muscles which spread the ribs further apart, and contraction of multiple accessory muscles in the neck, chest and spine which extend the height of the thorax, and/or, 2) increasing the respiratory rate up to 40-50 times per minute at peak exercise.

Conversely, the minimum minute ventilation required to sustain life is the MV at which both oxygen and carbon dioxide levels remain in the normal range.

Hypoventilation is the condition where the MV is decreased such that carbon dioxide levels rise above normal and oxygen levels fall below normal, with the former becoming abnormal prior to the latter. Mild hypoventilation which causes slight abnormal fluctuations in oxygen or carbon dioxide levels are generally well-tolerated, especially if this hypoventilation occurs gradually over time, for example in morbid obesity, the slow and persistent accumulation of adipose tissue surrounding the thoracic cage and abdomen causes progressively worsening hypoventilation over months to years and is generally well tolerated. However, if acute, severe, or prolonged enough, both oxygen and carbon dioxide levels will become rapidly and severely abnormal. If hypoventilation is severe enough, patients will first lose consciousness due to the high carbon dioxide levels (a condition called “CO2 narcosis” given that high Co2 levels produce unconsciousness), and if MV persists at this low level, oxygen levels will then start to decrease to such an extent that the cells in the heart begin to lose energy/function, causing the heart as a whole to cease function, leading to a state of cardiac arrest/death.

It is my opinion that Mr. Floyd suffered cardiac arrest as a result of prolonged hypoventilation, i.e. he was unable to inhale enough oxygen and exhale enough carbon dioxide such that he lost consciousness and then suffered cardiac arrest.

Causes of Hypoventilation

In order to achieve sufficient minute ventilation (MV) to sustain life, three factors must be present, which I have traditionally taught as the “three A’s” of breathing; 1) an “airway”, i.e. a windpipe that is patent/open to allow air to flow down through the airways to the lung tissues, 2) “ability” – i.e. both an intact neurologic respiratory drive combined with sufficient strength of the respiratory muscles to contract, along with sufficient “space” for the thoracic cavity to expand in size, thus creating a “vacuum” for fresh air to flow in on a pressure gradient from the atmosphere into the lungs, and 3) “area” – sufficient surface area of viable lung tissue so that oxygen can be absorbed from the inhaled air into the bloodstream while carbon dioxide can pass from the bloodstream into the inhaled air volume to then be expelled into the atmosphere during exhalation.

If any limitations in the above factors are present, hypoventilation will result, generally from three causes; 1) a reduced tidal volume (reduced volume of an inhaled breath), 2) a reduced respiratory rate, or 3) insufficient viable lung surface area, a cause only seen in acute and chronic lung conditions such as pneumonia, pulmonary edema, asthma, emphysema, pulmonary embolism etc.

I found no evidence that Mr. Floyd’s respiratory drive (rate) was significantly suppressed, despite the fact he had opiates in his bloodstream, an agent known to suppress respiratory rate. His intact respiratory rate is evidenced by observing him in the minutes prior to and at the beginning of the restraint by the officers whereby he was able to walk, sit, stand, answer questions, and cry out for help. It is clear from these observations that the opiates in his bloodstream at the time were not of sufficient concentration to suppress his respiratory rate.

I find no evidence, based on the reported autopsy results, that Mr. Floyd, despite his history of smoking and of a recent Covid-19 infection, had a chronic or acute lung disease which would lead to loss of sufficient lung tissue surface area that would lead to the degree of hypoventilation that would cause a cardiac arrest.

Therefore, given no evidence of either 1) a suppressed respiratory rate or 2) an acute or chronic lung disease, it is my opinion that Mr. Floyd died from 3) hypoventilation secondary to an insufficient volume of air with each breath, preventing him from exhaling sufficient carbon dioxide and inhaling sufficient oxygen to sustain life. The evidence for this is as follows:

1) His complaints of “I can’t breathe” very soon after being restrained in a prone position with the weight of two grown men on his mid and upper back/neck. In my opinion, the fact that he was able to form words at that point in his prolonged restraint, leads to the following conclusion;

a. Mr. Floyd, at least initially, was drawing enough air to “phonate” or “make sounds/speech”, (sounds are made on exhalation and require a sufficient volume of inhaled air to create sufficient exhaled flow through the vocal cords). The only conclusion I can draw from the fact that he was heard to phonate early on in the videos of his prolonged restraint is that “complete occlusion” of his airway was not occurring at that time because, if it had occurred, by definition, no sounds could have been produced by Mr. Floyd.

b. Although his ability at the time to speak indicates that at least some air flow in and out of his airways/lungs was occurring, it is my opinion that this amount of airflow and inhaled volume was insufficient to sustain life if not reversed in minutes. I base this assertion on the fact that Mr. Floyd immediately communicated “I can’t breathe” indicating that he was suffering from a sensation termed “dyspnea” defined as “the sensation of difficulty breathing” which arises whenever airflow or air volume entering the chest is decreased to the point where gas exchange is compromised, a state immediately sensed by the nervous system, and is a well-described and uniquely distressing sensation (see below).

c. Thus, it is my belief, at least initially, that the force of Officer Chauvin’s knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck did not lead to complete collapse of his upper airway/windpipe but rather caused at least some “narrowing” given his diminished, but not absent, ability to phonate. It is my opinion that the most injurious impact of the officers weight on the knee placed over Mr. Floyds cervical spine/upper back was that it led to restriction of the respiratory accessory muscles of the neck such that it prevented him from drawing in sufficient air to counteract the pressure on his thoracic cage from Officer Keung (explained in detail below under “Compensatory Mechanisms of the Respiratory System).

d. Although complete compression of the airway, by definition, was not present while Mr. Floyd was able to speak, there were prolonged periods in the video where no speech was heard and thus I cannot rule out the possibility that with subtle changes in neck position or weight directed by Officer Chauvin’s knee over Mr. Floyd’s neck that complete compression and lack of airflow occurred for transient or prolonged periods. Further, it is my opinion that, despite the fact that the autopsy reported no fracture or injury to the cartilaginous structures of the trachea (“windpipe”), the absence of such an injury does not in any way exclude the possibility that the airway was completely compressed at some point. The reason for this possibility is that only half the circumference of the windpipe is made of cartilage, i.e. the anterior trachea. The posterior trachea is “membranous” and is composed of soft tissue/mucosa and can easily be displaced/compressed such that it can oppose the anterior trachea thus leading to complete occlusion of the windpipe, either transiently through benign forces such as a vigorous cough or from sustained life threatening forces such as external body weight pressure applied over a knee to the cervical vertebrae which would then cause the vertebrae to compress the windpipe just anterior to it. In conclusion, the windpipe can be completely occluded without causing permanent damage to the tracheal rings.

DYSPNEA (“I can’t breathe”)

“Dyspnea” is a medical term defined as “the sensation of difficulty breathing” and most commonly occurs when the amount of muscle work required to draw in a sufficient volume of air is increased due to some “load” which restricts either airflow through the windpipe, ability of the lung to inflate, ability of the lung tissue to absorb sufficient oxygen with each breath, or the ability of the chest wall to expand to draw in a sufficient volume of air into the lung/chest. Many acute and chronic lung conditions cause this sensation, such as asthma where the airways are constricted and thus it requires increased, exaggerated muscular effort to inhale and exhale each breath through “smaller” airways, or pulmonary edema whereby water fills many lung units causing the lungs to become heavier and partially collapse, thus inflating them with each breath requires an increased and exaggerated effort.

It must be recognized that humans are exquisitely sensitive to any force that impairs our ability to breathe, and this “extreme sensitivity” likely developed as an evolutionary adaptation to promote our survival given that its intent is to immediately alert us to and reflexively correct via compensatory respiratory mechanisms (see below) any force which threatens or impairs our ability to sustain breathing. This is reflected by the fact that our thoracic cage (chest) is one of the most highly innervated parts of the body. Millions of nerves course over the skin and alongside the ribs of the thoracic cage. There are two types of nerves; “afferent” and “efferent” nerves. The former send “sensory” information to the brain, such as touch/movement, pain, temperature, and vibration thus allowing humans to constantly be aware of the amount of chest expansion or “stretch” that is occurring with each breath.

Efferent nerves conduct information from the brain to the muscles to direct muscle effort/movement. The normal amount of effort applied to a breath and the resulting amount of chest expansion that is sensed is generally perfectly matched and thus normal breathing is typically unconscious/not sensed. In other words, the unconscious automatic impulses sent from the brain to our respiratory muscles/diaphragms lead to volumes of air inspired which are perceived as “satisfying” or “non-distressing”, i.e. they are not perceived as insufficient but as adequate/normal, and thus are generally imperceptible. However, as soon as any force is applied such that it limits the ability of our chest to expand or “stretch” sufficiently with a normal or even increased respiratory effort, this immediately results in the sensation of “dyspnea”, or “inability to achieve a “satisfying” or sufficient volume of air intake, which, when severe and/or acutely severe, is known to be one of the more distressing sensations one can experience and can immediately create a superimposed sense of “panic”. Some examples of this sensation are when an over-exuberant or prolonged “bear hug” may be applied by a friend or family member and one feels immediately that “they cannot breathe”, a situation which is generally quickly reversed/decompressed upon release of the “hug” such that this distressing sensation is typically short-lived. Another example would be when a group of children (or adults) are wrestling or playing in a pile and the child/adult on the bottom of the pile suddenly experiences the cumulative weight of their playmates on their chest or back such that their normal or even exaggerated respiratory effort leads to the highly distressing, noxious, fearful feeling of insufficient air flow/chest expansion such that they immediately cry out “get off, I can’t breathe”.

Knowing the forces, diseases, situations, and positions that can restrict breathing, it is my opinion, that as soon as Mr. Floyd was placed prone on the ground and the weight of the two officers knees were applied to upper back/neck and mid-lower back, he immediately suffered acute, severe “dyspnea”, i.e. a sensation of difficulty breathing due to the resulting “restriction” of his ability to expand his chest preventing him from inhaling a sufficient “tidal volume” or a “satisfying breath.” This led to his immediate exclamation of “I can’t breathe”. In essence, he immediately sensed that the volume of air entering his chest was insufficient to maintain normal oxygen and carbon dioxide concentrations in the blood. It is my opinion that the severe and prolonged “hypoventilation” caused by the weight of the officers on his chest and shoulders/neck led to his loss of consciousness due to progressively increasing blood carbon dioxide levels followed by a cardiac arrest secondary to his progressively decreasing blood oxygen levels due to his inability to take in a sufficient volume of air to be able to absorb sufficient oxygen or expel sufficient carbon dioxide. In treating acute and chronic respiratory failure throughout my career, it should be recognized that this symptom/condition is one of the most distressing/noxious/panic inducing symptoms a human can suffer.

Respiratory System Compensation to Inspiratory or Ventilatory Deficits

Another important concept to understand are the compensatory abilities of the respiratory system that counteract limitations or restrictions in ventilatory function. Examples are as follows:

1) INCREASING RESPIRATORY RATE: When we have insufficient ability to take in a large enough breath due to thoracic wall restriction, we typically compensate by increasing the respiratory rate, in this way sufficient minute ventilation can still be achieved, as per formula above. However, this compensatory mechanism fails if the volume of air inhaled with each breath is smaller than the volume of air in the windpipe and bronchi, a.k.a. smaller than the “dead space volume” (i.e. the volume of air that enters the thoracic cavity but does not come into contact with the lung tissue and thus the oxygen in this volume of air cannot be absorbed into the blood). This volume of air is equivalent to the air volume in the mouth/nose/trachea/proximal bronchi and is about 150ml in an adult male – i.e. any volume of air lower than this amount does not participate in gas exchange and thus cannot be compensated for by increasing the respiratory rate). It is my opinion that the volume of air entering Mr. Floyd’s lung was smaller than his dead space volume thus, his increased respiratory rate was unable to compensate for such a severely reduced tidal volume, again a condition which is immediately experienced as severely distressing or panic-inducing.

2) INCREASING TIDAL VOLUME VIA USE OF ACCESSORY MUSCLES:

a. If there is restriction to airflow through the windpipe or restriction to the descent of the diaphragms or a person suffers from a condition which limits lung inflation, the “accessory muscles of respiration” are recruited as follows:

i. Diaphragm – the first response to an inspiratory load or restriction is to increase the rate and depth of descent of the diaphragm above normal “excursion” such that air flow rate and thoracic air volume is increased. It is my opinion that, in Mr. Floyds case, the ability of his diaphragm to descend further than normal, or even to descend the normal distance/excursion was impaired by two factors; 1) prone positioning on the ground which placed his body weight over his abdomen which compressed the abdominal contents such that they are displaced upwards against the diaphragm and thus limited the descent of the diaphragm and 2) this upward displacement of abdominal contents/intestines against the diaphragm was further increased due to the added external weight of Officer Keung over Mr. Floyd’s mid back and consequently his abdomen.

ii. Intercostal muscles – typically, when we make an exaggerated respiratory effort, the space between the ribs expand and the chest wall cavity/volume increases. When we exert increased respiratory effort using the intercostal muscles which run between the individual ribs, such expansion can be increased further. In Mr. Floyd’s case, the pressure on his back/abdomen and neck/shoulders by the two officers rendered the intercostal muscle contraction insufficient to overcome such severe restriction of the chest wall.

iii. Accessory muscles of the neck/back/chest – after diaphragmatic effort, use of the accessory muscles are the next most powerful compensatory mechanism that humans employ to augment tidal volume or overcome an inspiratory resistance/load. These muscles include the sternocleidomastoid, spinal, neck and chest muscles. When these muscles are recruited/engaged, they serve to expand the thoracic cavity not only by expansion outwards such as with the intercostal muscles between the ribs, but by raising the thoracic cavity superiorly or “upwards.” It is my opinion that the knee of Officer Chauvin on Mr. Floyd’s neck/spine, rather than cutting off airflow at the windpipe, more than likely caused asphyxia/hypoventilation by limiting the neck/spine accessory muscles to achieve sufficient chest expansion to counteract the limitation produced by his prone position combined with the force of Officer #2’s weight on his chest/abdomen.

I have also identified a separate set of actions which caused Mr. Floyd further harm by making it less likely that cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) could be successful which limited his ability to survive. These separate injurious actions were committed by the emergency medical personnel who appeared on the scene in the videos and were as follows:

1) One emergency medical technician/paramedic clearly checks Mr. Floyd’s pulse at 11:50 of the youtube video entitled “Full Video of 2 officers murder George Floyd”. Although a determination of the presence or absence of a pulse is not audible on the video, it is my opinion that Mr. Floyd was pulseless at that time. If true, as an expert in the performance and training of CPR, it is my opinion that, in the setting of detecting the absence of a pulse of a patient who does not meet exclusion criteria for CPR delivery, chest compressions should immediately be initiated by the first trained bystander or personnel present.

2) Instead of initiating immediate CPR on Mr. Floyd by; 1) directing Officer Chauvin to release his restraining knee pressure, 2) rolling Mr. Floyd supine and 3) beginning chest compressions, the medical technician/paramedic instead leaves to go to the ambulance to prepare a stretcher and transfer board/sheet. The period of time until the stretcher can be seen is 39 seconds later at 12:29 of the video, with the 39 second period beginning being from the first detection of an absent pulse. Further, it is not until 12:44, a full 54 seconds from absent pulse detection that the medical technician/paramedic directs Officer Chauvin to remove his knee so they can begin the process of transferring Mr. Floyd to a stretcher and into the ambulance. The last time Mr. Floyd can be seen on the video was at 13:29, and at that time, there is no evidence that CPR had been initiated on Mr. Floyd who had then been pulseless a minimum of one minute and 39 seconds since the initial pulse check.

3) This delay towards attempting to restore circulation via chest compressions or other interventions that make up ACLS (advanced cardiac life support) prolonged the “no flow” period after circulatory arrest which severely limited Mr. Floyd’s chances of achieving successful “recovery of spontaneous circulation” (ROSC). Such an unnecessarily prolonged period of “no flow” clearly added further cellular and organ damage to the prior period of lack of blood flow to Mr. Floyd’s vital organs, namely his heart and brain.

In summary, the prolonged, simultaneously applied restraining forces by Minneapolis Police Officers Chauvin, Keung, and Lane on critical parts of Mr. Floyd’s respiratory and musculoskeletal system while he was in a handcuffed, prone position on the ground led to severe hypoventilation which caused a life-threatening elevation in blood carbon dioxide levels rendering him unconscious, which was then followed by a progressive and severe decrease in blood oxygen levels which directly caused his cardiac arrest and death. Further, the failure of emergency medical personnel to initiate CPR on Mr. Floyd immediately upon discovering he was pulseless led to an additional significant decrease in Mr. Floyd’s chances of achieving ROSC from the CPR that was eventually initiated in the ambulance.

The opinions in this report are expressed to a reasonable degree of medical certainty.

I reserve my right to amend or supplement my opinions based on any additional information that may become available to me.

Yours sincerely,

Pierre Kory, MD, MPA

June 9, 2020

Associate Professor of Medicine

Chief of the Critical Care Service

Medical Director of the Trauma and Life Support Center

Division of Allergy, Pulmonary and Critical Care

University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health

Simple Simon
Simple Simon
October 23, 2023 2:53 pm

calli
Oct 23, 2023 1:53 PM

Dummy spit:

City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

That’s disgusting. Many of those statues were erected by subscription from donors and are part of our heritage.

That is the point and why the far Left want them removed.

It is not simply a ‘dummy spit’ nor is it about Aborigines finding the statues offensive. It is about erasing history both physically, in the case of statues, and metaphorically, by making people (even self-styled conservatives) preface any thought or utterance with ‘we did bad things but…’ thus conceding the strategic ground and cutting people off from their heritage and tools of intellectual resistance, making them easier to manipulate and, ultimately, control.

As I have said previously both here and on the old Cat, non-Leftists have to stop obediently lying down in the chalk outline drawn on the pavement by the Left, only to wonder why they are then cordoned off with yellow tape saying ‘Do Not Cross’.

The end goal is not the removal of statues, it is the creation of a Year Zero mentality in the populace.

As the Red Guard slogan had it during China’s Great Cultural Revolution (sic): ‘Destroy the old culture. You cannot stop us!’

Or, as the Khmer Rouge slogan had it: ‘To kill the grass you must remove the root.’

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 23, 2023 2:53 pm

Adam “I successfully fought my masculinity” Brant being a mealy mouthed turd.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/22/large-crowd-gathers-at-pro-palestine-rally-in-melbourne-as-wa-man-mourns-sister-killed-in-gaza

About 15,000 people have attended a rally supporting Palestine in Melbourne, with the Greens leader, Adam Bandt, telling the crowd they were mourning for those who had died on both sides of the bloody conflict.

Sunday’s protest was one of several held across the country at the weekend. Victoria police said that there were “no major incidents of note”.

Bandt, the federal MP for Melbourne, described the Israeli bombardment of Gaza as a war crime and called for it to end immediately.

“We mourn the 1,400 Israelis who lost their lives but also the 4,000 Palestinians who lost their lives,” he said, according to local media reports.

Hmm, sloppy reporting, why didnt they note the called the Hamas attack on civilians, and kidnapping of others as a war crime??
Because he surely did that.
Didnt he?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 2:57 pm

Down goes the Australian Sharemarket and the South Pacific Peso. Inflation stays high. Both LT and ST interest rates going higher, not enough houses or apartments for people to live in, higher energy prices, Food prices going higher, Oil going up and up in price.

And Law and Order breaking down.

You name it and here we are right now under a so called Progressive Feral Laybore Guv’ment.

Who will take the credit? ANAL Jetting About Tennis Elbow, The Australian Feral Guv’ment Cabinet, The RBA, Anyone?

None of them, but when things start to pick up they will ALL take the credit. Funny that.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EAXJO/

Vicki
Vicki
October 23, 2023 2:58 pm

Another comment is made on the net re Tucker’s episode. I have no expertise at all to comment on the medical aspect of this case. Maybe Flying Duk would be interested.

Tucker Carlson just published a new episode of his show in which he reviews the death of George Floyd on Memorial Day 2020, for which former Minneapolis PD officer Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder and sentenced to forty years in prison. A recent lawsuit, incidental to Floyd and Chauvin, unveiled sworn deposition excerpts from a conversation with County Medical Examiner Andrew Baker, indicating that Floyd’s passing was not due to asphyxiation or strangulation. Instead, factors including drug use and a fatal concentration of fentanyl were significant contributors.

I encourage our Substack readers to watch the episode for themselves and draw their own conclusions. The episode prompted me to take a look at the toxicology report in the case of George Floyd.

The Fentanyl finding of 11 ng/ML and Norfentanyl (a metabolite of Fetanyl) is especially noteworthy. The European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug Addiction characterizes Fentanyl’s overdose risk as follows.

Overdose results in respiratory depression which is reversible with naloxone. Sudden death can also occur because of cardiac arrest or severe anaphylactic reaction. The estimated lethal dose of fentanyl in humans is 2 mg. The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml. Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.

Other significant finding’s in the autopsy report.

A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe

B. Hypertensive heart disease 1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular dilatation 2. Clinical history of hypertension.

III. No life-threatening injuries identified.

The decedent was known to be positive for 2019-nCoV RNA on 4/3/2020. Since PCR positivity for 2019-nCoV RNA can persist for weeks after the onset and resolution of clinical disease, the autopsy result most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent PCR positivity from previous infection.

Given the mania for attributing cause of death to COVID-19 in 2020, it’s notable that little significance was attributed to the positive PCR test in Floyd’s case.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 3:00 pm

Wodney, what’s your cut?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 3:03 pm

Simple Simon
Oct 23, 2023 2:53 PM
calli
Oct 23, 2023 1:53 PM

Dummy spit:

City of Sydney council to vote on motion to remove the 25 or so statues of colonial notables from the CBD.

That’s disgusting. Many of those statues were erected by subscription from donors and are part of our heritage.

LOL. I would just love to see “Clover NO Moore” try to remove the Queen Victoria statue and the little dog from outside the QVB just across the road from the Sydney Town Hall.

Off with their heads as these ‘Pollies’ don’t need them – as they don’t use them. FFS.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 3:04 pm

I just had a horrible thought.
Surely Wodney isn’t silly enough to be pumping up the Armstrong Ponzi free of charge is he?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 3:06 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 3:00 PM

Guess.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 3:10 pm

I am thinking he’s offered you a small percentage of all funds invested (say 0.5%) and a much larger cut of website subscriptions out of Oz (say 15%).
Amiright?
Of course, it’s money you’ll never see, you poor schmuck.

Cassie of Sydney
October 23, 2023 3:10 pm

“Simple Simon
Oct 23, 2023 2:53 PM”

1000 upticks. Particularly…

As I have said previously both here and on the old Cat, non-Leftists have to stop obediently lying down in the chalk outline drawn on the pavement by the Left, only to wonder why they are then cordoned off with yellow tape saying ‘Do Not Cross’.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 3:10 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 3:04 PM
I just had a horrible thought.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, you are always having horrible thoughts. With an IQ of under 95 (not even double figures) then just like Tennis Elbow and Blackout Bowen, that is always going to be the case.

Please do some better wooden posts or use them to make a garden fence.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 3:11 pm

Guess what?
I’ve already enquired myself, so I know what bait he throws out.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 3:16 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 3:04 PM

I just had a horrible thought.
Surely Wodney isn’t silly enough to be pumping up the Armstrong Ponzi free of charge is he?

Not in my opinion, since he seems to be in on a cut.

While there are many stoushes here, Wodney’s have the appearance and feel of someone who is making every effort to dismantle any opposition to Armstrong. It looks like more than just hot air is behind the sporadic abuse that emerges from thin air in the early hours and the demands made of his targets to vacate the place. He is a con artist trying to deceive others. And now for this nonsense:

“Yes, I ‘fort’ that I had to connect to the felon’s website in the website box or I wouldn’t be allowed in”. Yeah, we were all born tomorrow.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 23, 2023 3:16 pm

Interesting:

News Corp Australia readers have overwhelmingly rejected an open letter from a group of Indigenous Yes supporters who attacked No voters, the media, Coalition MPs and conservative think tanks, accusing them of fuelling a “racist” campaign against the Voice.

The authors and signatories of an open letter, which expansively details the reasons some Yes campaign leaders believe the October 14 referendum failed, declined to be named before the three-page document was distributed on Sunday night.

More than 2600 people have voted in our online poll asking whether readers agreed with the letter, with 95 per cent of respondents voting no.

“People are losing their lives, their homes, their loved ones on the other side of the world… who cares what two per cent of the population want or think! It’s a democracy. Get over it,” Nickolas commented.

“Really, this is just ‘sour grapes’. You put forward an idea which was rejected. Move on,” wrote Jen.

Do you agree with the Yes campaigners’ open letter?
Yes 4 %
No 96 %
3033 votes

Daily Tele

local oaf
October 23, 2023 3:17 pm

I did hear “Redgum” described as a group of aging Communists.

Superannuated subversives.

Brothers in armchairs

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 3:18 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 3:10 PM
I am thinking

I doubt that very much. With an IQ of under 95 you will be mumbling and slobbering just like Tennis Elbowl.

Please keep this up as it is very entertaining from you – Mrs Stencho Pantyhose.

How is it at the Pub BTW with your gambling loser crony mates? All good?

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 23, 2023 3:18 pm

I reckon the Floyd death was chosen as the pretext for pumping up race riots to damage Trump. If it wasn’t Floyd they would have found another incident.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 3:20 pm

Various verified Israeli government types are posting on twitter that they will start posting the autopsy results of Oct 7th victims starting tomorrow.

I think the Hamas supporters in west will be hoping for a lot of Pallywood content to (in their minds) off set it.

shatterzzz
October 23, 2023 3:21 pm

…such statues are triggering to indigenous folk.
I had no idea that Redfern had soooo many “statues” .. I alwayz thought they were “winos” lying around the parks ……

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 3:23 pm

Miltonf
Oct 23, 2023 3:18 PM

I reckon the Floyd death was chosen as the pretext for pumping up race riots to damage Trump. If it wasn’t Floyd they would have found another incident.

Naaaa, ya think. 🙂

Don’t know if you do. Carlson ran a vid on X saying the coroner was aware the medical report came back that Floyd didn’t die from being choked to death. He died from an overdose. The coroner kept it from the evidence presented because s/he was afraid.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 23, 2023 3:24 pm

If anyone is actually traumatised by statues, that is.

The cry of ‘trauma’ seems very modern and very western.

We get histrionic obsequiousness warnings on TV programs that they might contain an image of a dead indigines – even though I cannot see how their cultures could have had an opinion on personal likenesses as neither the visual nor the plastic arts had not attained that level of accomplishment.

So, surely these statues of these dead people are working some other, more sublime magic.

Those sombre stately black statues poised on plinths, faces and costume rendered in copper-green patina, crowned by the hall of white pigeon shit (the shit is white, not the pigeons – there are people who do like a pigeon over the distinction), that have stood perfectly motionless in plain sight across decades, are nevertheless bending ancient energies the way a lens bends sunlight to ignite the hapless ant.

And it took a boring old trout in a dog collar struggling for relevance to teach us!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 3:25 pm

The authors and signatories of an open letter, which expansively details the reasons some Yes campaign leaders believe the October 14 referendum failed, declined to be named before the three-page document was distributed on Sunday night.

YES, And from what I heard, no one signed and put their names to the letter. Happy to sign the Uluru thingy though. LOL.

These people are wimps and moaners. Hiding in the corners and sulking and sucking their thumbs. A bit like some posters here doing the ‘thumbs down’ shite. FFS.

rosie
rosie
October 23, 2023 3:25 pm

Daily mail’s latest gaza report mentions alleged fatalities in Gaza but didn’t link to what they called ‘unverified photos’.
Just general rubble and a bloke holding a nice clean boy with a very nice clean bandaged arm and leg inside a hospital, why the bloke was posing with a boy inside a hospital corridor, not mentioned.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 3:26 pm

If anyone is actually traumatised by statues, that is

History should be taught/learned warts & all.
For example, thank f*ck Thomas Jefferson was there to help shape the USA.
And he had a problem r*ping his slaves.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 23, 2023 3:26 pm

crowned by the hall of white pigeon shit

‘Halo’. Not ‘hall’.

Auto-correct is a faking botch.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 23, 2023 3:26 pm

The most puke worthy thing about it imo was the willingness of ‘rat mayors to trash their own cites. Reckon you could find a Floyd style incident every day in any number of us sh#t hole cities.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 3:27 pm

While there are many stoushes here, Wodney’s have the appearance and feel of someone who is making every effort to dismantle any opposition to Armstrong. It looks like more than just hot air is behind the sporadic abuse that emerges from thin air in the early hours and the demands made of his targets to vacate the place.

Standard scammer promotion M.O.
Your target will often come back with doubts and questions about the authenticity of your scheme, and the veracity of your claims.
They do two things at that point:-
1. Go hard to ridicule and diminish the critics, and isolate their targets from the critics;
2. No matter how much you have tipped in at that point, make the target feel both insignificant and ungrateful for raising questions. “Marty’s a big operator. He normally doesn’t take anything under $xxx,xxx, but he let you in. If you lack the insight and courage to continue and want out, just say so. But don’t come back trying to get in again”.
Classic Bernie Madoff tactics.

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 3:28 pm

I thought it was a “hail”.

Very Sydney.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 3:29 pm

Montgomery was viewed as a super star of WWII.
And he was one of Stalins biggest boosters in the west.
Warts and all.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 3:29 pm

Presumably by “vertical equity” Enrico means that Noel of Noosa should share his loot with poor Aboriginals?

Well at least the ones he bumps into on Hastings Street.

Vicki
Vicki
October 23, 2023 3:32 pm

Parts of Sydney are in the grip of a very severe manifestation of the common cold virus. This is purely anecdotal based on info from those who have contracted it, and those who know others who have, although a friend has had this confirmed by her medical practitioner.

Wow…it really is a doozy. Over the past few decades, husband and I have suffered very, very few colds – and virtually no cases of influenza. In the first two years of Covid, we (unvaccinated) successfully evaded it, though we both contracted it eventually on different occasions (but both involving large gatherings). For both of us this virus is far worse in debilitation.

My view is that the virility of the viruses (non Covid) this year is most likely due to the several years of lockdown, mask wearing & other avoidance measures that prevented exposure to innocuous viruses & the development of natural immunity. Thank you, you damn medical bureaucrats.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 23, 2023 3:33 pm

Vicki thanks for the Pierre Kory evidence. Was not aware he was involved in the case.

However it makes you more mad the way he was treated over his stance on Ivermectin and the damage to his career for speaking out.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 23, 2023 3:36 pm

Good reading over at Quadrant:

Hissy Fits for Some, Ongoing Misery for Others

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 3:38 pm

Parts of Sydney are in the grip of a very severe manifestation of the common cold virus.

I know two people in their 40’s from different circles who both currently have shingles.
I’m sure people got shingles before the last couple of years.
But over the past two years it seems like it’s pretty rife.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 3:39 pm

Crossie at 1:37 – desal is potentially one of the legitimate uses of solar energy. It doesn’t make it any less expensive but if the State or generators do not bear the capital cost who cares? It is time insensitive and non critical.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 3:41 pm

Bear

There’s one issue with that idea. Expensive energy is expensive energy, no matter what it’s used for. Those plastic panels don’t last the distance. 20 Years max if that.

Cassie of Sydney
October 23, 2023 3:49 pm

The state of policing in the UK, from ‘The Critic’….

Twelve things more arrestable than calling for jihad
Just so we know
By
Ben Sixsmith

The Metropolitan Police announced this weekend that chanting “jihad”, as a speaker did at Saturday’s Hizb ut-Tahrir protest against Israel, is not illegal. Okay. Good to know.

Here, then, just so we’re all on the same page, is a list of things that British lawmakers and police officials believe are more arrestable offences than demanding holy war.

Silently praying near an abortion clinic.
“Misgendering” someone in public.
Misgendering someone online.
Calling someone a “lesbian”.
Burning a Quran.
Making nasty jokes in a private group chat.
Calling Islam an “aberration”.
Publicly denying that gay marriage is biblical.
Reimagining the new LGBT flag as a swastika.
Protesting against the murder of women.
Carrying rape alarms in a public place.
Posting a racist tweet about football players.

Now, I do not want to give implicit approval to all the demands for police intervention that have rung out in the last couple of weeks. As Paul Embery says, for example, a tube driver saying “Free Palestine”, is unprofessional but it is hard to understand how it is against the law.

Yet if chanting for jihad, and at a protest organised, no less, by a group which has been banned everywhere from Bangladesh to Germany, is not inciting violence, what is? The most charitable explanation for why silent prayer and calling somebody a lesbian are arrestable offences and this is not is that the cops are too afraid of their actions sparking disorder that could harm them physically and professionally. That speaks to much broader, deeper problems in our social and political culture, problems our institutions should urgently address.

But the least the cops could do is stop arresting people for comparatively petty things.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
October 23, 2023 3:50 pm

Poll in the Hun:

Do you agree with the Yes campaigners’ open letter?

3376 votes 96% NO

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 23, 2023 3:54 pm

3376 votes 96% NO

Can’t the ALP afford to pay the click morons?
Or did they spend it all on the voice.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 23, 2023 3:56 pm

My understanding of the reverse osmosis design of the Sydney Desal plant (a mate was involved in the design part but on project controls work, not engineering so I cannot guarantee his grasp or mine) is that it has had to be kept running at an (at least) minimal level to keep the membranes viable ever since commissioning.

So it has been steadily bleeding water into the main under Erko all this time.

He also said that when they were designing on the Kurnell site there was a dedicated (subsidised) cafe. There was a competition to give it a name which produced some flaccid anodyne name, rather than his preferred ‘Far Kurnell’ cafe.

And, apparently, their bacon and egg rolls were absolutely to-die-for. Fat with bacon, runny egg yolk, and paired with unsurpassable coffee. He would actually go on about it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 23, 2023 3:57 pm

Barking Toad
Oct 23, 2023 3:50 PM
Poll in the Hun:

Do you agree with the Yes campaigners’ open letter?

3376 votes 96% NO

Congratulations to the aboriginal activists, they have moved the vote meter from 61% to 96% in 15 days. Keep up the good work! You can yet get it to at least 99%!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 3:59 pm

JC – true but if we have to go through the charade it is the least worse use. In WA solar is already destabilising the grid during the day.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 3:59 pm

is that it has had to be kept running at an (at least) minimal level to keep the membranes viable ever since commissioning.

I don’t understand how it works, but it’s my recollection that the company formally known as Leighton has the billion per year service contract.

Davey Boy
October 23, 2023 4:01 pm

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese == eminently misshapen aberration

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 23, 2023 4:06 pm

Our old company had a couple of contracts with desal plants. Buggered if I know what we did. Salt water and metal is rarely good for maintenance.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 4:06 pm

My view is that the virility of the viruses (non Covid) this year is most likely due to the several years of lockdown, mask wearing & other avoidance measures that prevented exposure to innocuous viruses & the development of natural immunity. Thank you, you damn medical bureaucrats.

Getting out and about in the fresh air and sunlight and enjoying the warmth works (free Vitamin D). So does swimming in the sea with all that salt water.

I never got the Jabs or the Boosters. Never got Covid either. I get a Cold most Winters. Haven’t had the Flu since 1972. Now age 70 years and still going strong. I walk every day and get out and about. Red wine helps as well.

Always look on the bright side of Life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 4:10 pm

Always look on the bright side of Life

– Martin Armstrong

cohenite
October 23, 2023 4:11 pm

lethal humidity

Twiggy is a serious fukwit. The capacity of the atmosphere to hold water is called the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship. Kininmonth has a technical analysis of why the AGW models about the CC and humidity are crap here.

For those who can’t be bothered humidity cannot be lethal because more evaporation, the means by which water vapor, humidity rises in the atmosphere, also causes clouds to form which block the sun, cause more rain and lead to cooling and less humidity.

Anyway increased CO2 CANNOT cause more evaporation because CO2 radiation, infra-red radiation, IR, is weak and cannot penetrate the oceans/water and therefore cannot cause increased evaporation and increased humidity.

I don’t mind rich people being politically active but why are they always, woke, stupid greenies?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 4:12 pm

And you have now been unequivocally told that it is not a mandatory field here.
What is your cut, Wodney?

So I will remove the weblink Mrs Stencho Pantyhose.

And that is my cut. Along with the Number 5 haircut.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 4:12 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 23, 2023 4:10 PM

Always look on the bright side of Life

– Martin Armstrong

and

Never Look Back.

Socrates.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 4:13 pm

I am now using the Johnny Rotten weblink. LOL.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 23, 2023 4:14 pm

Alan Kohler goes full retard… or maybe his acc’ has been hacked. He’s not ballsy enough to be trolling…
What they and the people of Gaza both need are industries and jobs.
Because sinecure for people with a grievance culture really makes gaps the closing, and reconciliation to boot also lots.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:15 pm

When are the next batch of elections in Germany?

Germany must “finally deport on a large scale those who have no right to stay” in the country, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has declared in the wake of massive pro-Palestinian protests and incidents of anti-Semitism.

That’s the only thing Olaf cares about.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 4:15 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 23, 2023 4:10 PM

I see that sheep shagger from C U in the N T has come out from under his rock. Just woken up I see.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 23, 2023 4:17 pm

Never Look Back.

Socrates.

Hades to Orpheus, you mean?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:17 pm

What they and the people of Gaza both need are industries and jobs.

They do need that…after Hamas is wiped off the face of the earth.
This is why the economic pact between Israel & the Saudi’s is critical.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 4:20 pm

The unemployment rate is something like 70% in Gaza primarily because of Hamarse.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:21 pm

While the rest of the Arab world doesn’t much care about the Pali’s they do like the cheap labour class they are part of.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:23 pm

What’s worse JC is that say Hamas is wiped out & there are capital works programs, most of the Pali’s are not qualified to work on them.
Literacy rates in Gaza have dropped over the past 17 years since Hamas took over.
The place if fooked because they fooked themselves voting in Hamas.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 4:24 pm

C U in the N T has come out from under his rock. Just woken up I see

Nice. Real nice. From the fake Pom at that.

What’s Armstrong paying you again?

calli
calli
October 23, 2023 4:24 pm

Never Look Back.

Socrates

God to Mrs Lot.

Davey Boy
October 23, 2023 4:24 pm

Indigenous Voice to Parliament == replace indigenous motivation

also
maneuvered coital positioning
virulent egomaniac deposition
outlive opinionated screaming
replace indigenous motivation
manipulative egos conditioner
vigilante audiences promotion
negative impulse coordination
venomous genitalia prediction

They all fit, imo.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 4:27 pm

The place if fooked because they fooked themselves voting in Hamas.

And you only vote once. 🙂

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:28 pm

As the rate of technological change accelerates, the youth of Gaza is getting left further & further behind.
A 8 year old Israeli that doesn’t get their head blown off is more qualified than most 18 year Gazans.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 23, 2023 4:28 pm

Let’s just say my ego remains unharmed by one (or many) downticks. ? The old bat in me prefers a verbal disagreement, the curious bit a desire for new information.

I take no notice of downticks and in recent times I rarely read much into upticks, although they are appreciated as signals that occasional others are listening, which is all anyone might ask.

Large numbers of upticks for vicious comments made against me have been used in the past to try to drive me from this site, probably more than anyone else has ever recieved here.

They have not been successful. So much for ticking. Like Calli, I prefer to spar with words. Away with the ‘old bat’ though, Calli. Ladies of a Certain Age, that’s us. Experienced with the ways of the world.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 4:31 pm

Russia Invests Heavily in Egypt – Sun City – Nuclear Power

“Russia poured $7 billion into Egypt in 2021 to create the Russian Industrial Zone (RIZ), the nation’s first industrial zone outside of Russia. Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi developed a relationship with Russia in 2014 amid the Crimea crisis and the Ukrainian Revolution. Russia has been investing heavily in Egypt ever since and is currently pouring $4.6 billion into Egypt’s Suez Canal zone to create “Sun City,” an industrial zone covering 2,000 hectares.

Around 20% of all world trade moves through the Suez Canal. This is extremely strategic for Russian manufacturing and trade, and also explains Egypt’s refusal to support the West in its mission to escalate the Israel-Palestine war. Sun City is expected to bring 35,000 jobs to the Egyptian economy.

Egypt has become Africa’s leading destination for investment. It dethroned South Africa in 2017 to claim the title. The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) stated that Egypt “supported by a large increase in Chinese investment across light manufacturing industries and wide-ranging economic reforms, such as financial liberalisation, which is basically the establishment of higher interest rates that equate the demand for, and the supply of savings.” China’s Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) spiked 75% in 2017, providing Egypt with a large boost. The UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia have also invested heavily in Egypt, especially in real estate and development.

There is nothing that the West can provide to Egypt to surpass what Arab and Eastern nations have done for its economy. The Egypt-Russia Trade and Investment Summary (YTD) 2022 indicates that Moscow and Cairo will continue to strengthen its relationship. A key to this report is that Russia is helping Egypt produce its first nuclear power plant, financing 85% of the project. El Dabaa Nuclear Power Plant will be positioned 320 kilometers from Cairo. But this deal initially began in 2015 when Russia promised to finance the project, and signed preliminary contracts in December 2017. The total project is set to cost $28.7 billion. Egypt will repay Russia the remaining 15% in installments with a repayment period of 22 years and an interest rate of 3%.

So basically, the plant will become Russia’s nuclear power in Africa and among the Arab world. They are anticipating completion in 2026 and it is safe to say that the West is going to do everything in its power to prevent this from happening. Look at the map above to see how strategic the positioning of this plant will be for Russia in not just Africa and the Arab nations but a stone’s throw away from Europe as well.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/world-trade/russia-invests-heavily-in-egypt-sun-city-nuclear-power/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

YES. Those Russian sanctions certainly worked. Analysis here please from the Russian/Putin haters. Should be a good. Dotty Dot of Dottiness and “Jer Cough Cretin Big Nose/Short Arse”, please give it yer’ best shot.

This Post has been approved by the independently known website – http://www.johnnyrotten.com

Agent Rotten over and out for now………………………………….

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:31 pm

A Pali can push a wheel barrow.
A Pali can not operate a tunnel boring machine.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 4:34 pm

Mark from Melb.

I don’t think it’s Marty. I think it’s Faulty’s twin brother. Faulty 2.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 23, 2023 4:36 pm

On the one hand, making light of the anguish of others is poor form.
On the other…

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 4:36 pm

Something in common with these theocracies is that education drops off a cliff.
Which then has them enter a cycle of shit.
As the non-theocratic world accelerates their innovation, the youth of the theocracies get further & further behind.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 23, 2023 4:37 pm

I see shingles was mentioned. Have met a guy who got very bad case of shingles after his AZ jab. Dr said Vax related but did not report up the line so does not count.

Not listened to it but noted Bill Crews show on 2GB last night discussed the topic. The expert was Robert Booy who is one of the biggest pushers of vaccines in the country.

It does seem odd there has been a lot of advertising regarding shingles in past 3 years. However never seen anything showing yearly shingles stats to see if sudden increase in past years. However you do wonder if Dr’s were fully reporting.

Is there a particular medicine related to shingles as its usage may give a clue?

Cassie of Sydney
October 23, 2023 4:39 pm

The Oz has just uploaded this..

Photos of missing held aloft amid prayers for peace at London rally
By TOM WITHEROW

One after the other the names of the 210 hostages taken by Hamas on October 7 were read out, then the words of the traditional prayer song Oseh Shalom rang out in Hebrew: “May he who makes peace in high places, make peace for us and for all Israel.”

Sunday’s event in Trafalgar Square, the largest gathering in the UK in support of the Israeli cause since the outbreak of the war, heard the harrowing tales of families destroyed by Hamas’s violence. Placards amid a sea of Israeli flags showed the faces of the hostages, aged from a few months to their nineties, who have now been in Gaza for 16 nights.

“I never wrote ‘I love you’ back to him because I never thought I wouldn’t see him again,” said Ofri Bibas Levy, who spoke through tears about the kidnap of her brother, Yarden Levy, her niece, Kfir, aged nine months, and her nephew Ariel, four. “This is not an Israeli problem,” Levy told the crowd. “Hamas is like Isis and it is an entire world problem that must be stopped.”

“It’s hard to put into words the horror and the pain that engulfed me as I realised what was happening,” the British-Israeli citizen said.

“My oldest brother was missing – but his body was found the next morning behind his house. He was murdered by Hamas terrorists the previous day. These are crimes against humanity.”

Speeches were met with chants of “Bring them home” and “Let them go”. Two American hostages have been released, but for the remaining families there is no news.

Noam Sagi, 53, a psychotherapist from London whose mother Ada, 75, was abducted from her home in Kibbutz Nir Oz without her medication, said the battle to release hostages must take precedence over Israel’s military aims in Gaza. He said: “We cannot bring back the dead; however, we can bring back the hostages. All of them.”

Jay Dor, 57, from London, was at the rally to call for the release of Avigail Ida, aged three. “She’s all alone there after seeing her mother murdered,” he said. “Her siblings aged six and nine hid in a cupboard for 16 hours in silence.”

The vigil-rally took place the day after 100,000 people descended on London to march for Palestine. Sunday’s event was held under heavy protection, with more than 100 police officers patrolling the perimeter. The police checked bags, supported by the Community Security Trust, a charity that protects Jewish events.

The Metropolitan Police arrested two men for shouting “antisemitic abuse”. Despite the tight police operation, fear hung in the air. Many said the war had shown a Britain where Jews were no longer safe.

Michael Gove, the communities secretary, told the rally that “Britain stands with Israel”. He said: “There are no words to describe the suffering of families who have seen their relatives butchered. But words matter and promises matter and the world made a promise 75 years ago, never again – and what did we see a fortnight ago? We must bring the hostages home.”

The support of the government and Rishi Sunak personally has done little to make London’s Jews feel safe, amid a flood of public support for the Palestinian cause.

David Barr, who was born and grew up in the UK, escaped the attack by hiding in a bomb shelter for 36 hours, but when he emerged he and his wife learnt that her sister, Naomi Shitrit, 53, had been murdered.

“I grew up in England, but this is not the England that I left,” he told the crowd. “To just see [Hamas] flags flying in a liberal democratic country after those atrocities – kidnapping and raping women. These are not human acts.”

Although many of those at the event thanked officers policing it, others called them “apologists” after Metropolitan Police chiefs said people at a Hizb ut-Tahrir protest shouting “jihad, jihad”, and holding banners that referred to Muslim armies had not broken the law.

Deborah Markham, 62, said: “We’ve got hundreds of thousands of pro-Palestine protesters on the streets calling for the death of Israel and the death of Jews, while we’re told we can’t do vigils because they’re too dangerous.”

A Jewish woman from London said: “To see them celebrating terror, when this country has such a proud tradition of standing against it makes us sad, worried and scared.”

The rally finished with a minute’s silence and the Israeli national anthem. The wait for news of the hostages continues.”

bons
bons
October 23, 2023 4:40 pm

If Flossie tries to actually remove Sydney’s (Australia’s) historic statues it will be her Voice moment.

Like Albanese she will learn that what plans hatched in her coven of crazies don’t work in the real world.

Surely most, if not all of these historic items must be listed.

It will be an intetesting test for the Jew hater Premier.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 23, 2023 4:45 pm

On that dodgy flight around Israel all I had to read in my cabin baggage was Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. I am up to Book 10, para 5, where the advice was:

Whatever happens to you was being prepared for you from everlasting, and the mesh of causes was ever spinning from eternity both your own existence and the incidence of this particular happening

Such fatalism! The old Indo-European concept of the spinners of life’s thread, turned to stoicism. Grin and bear it, or as Uhtred (The Last Kingdom) says: ‘destiny is all’.

I find the old Marcus just a wee bit repetitative even if the advice can be useful.

So Hairy lent me his book on the SAS – action packed rather than fatalistic, which got me through.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 23, 2023 4:47 pm

There is a difference between horizontal equity that requires the equal treatment of equals; and vertical equity that requires the unequal treatment of unequals in proportion to their inequality.

Not immediately clear how crisp, clear concepts like ‘vertical equity’ and ‘in proportion to their inequality’ handle the many complex distinctions between people living in Turd World remote communities, indigenous people living lives indistinguishable from anyone else, indigenous high achievers on the greasy pole of public life, and neo-Aboriginals who have recently discovered an indigenous great grandie.

There’s probably an Expert somewhere waiting to tell us.

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 4:49 pm

Something in common with these theocracies is that education drops off a cliff.

Here’s a rather troubling exception.

Iran is a theocracy, kabuki democracy and also a lot like a western country, particularly with employment equity and low fertility. Girls learn calculus with the boys pre high school. They’ve got some bombs to build.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 23, 2023 4:49 pm

I see my comment is still in moderation I now see why there is a naughty word which I’ve now corrected for the spaminator
Tintarella di Luna
Oct 23, 2023 12:38 PM
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Wendy Bacon, that old purveyor of propaganda and fabricated hit pieces. Now ties herself unbreakably to a terrorist cause.

A friend who was a copper in the 70s has a photo of this creature wearing a nun’s habit disporting these words: “I’ve been ph**ted by God’s steel prick” – the perfect person to be teaching j’ism to j’ismists

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 23, 2023 4:51 pm

Oooops should’ve refreshed

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 4:52 pm

A Pali can push a wheel barrow.
A Pali can not operate a tunnel boring machine.

I did not know Gaza was punching above it’s weight in foreign direct investment into Australian nation-building projects.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 23, 2023 4:53 pm

shaterzzz – Beautiful, congratulations! – your legacy is secure

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 4:53 pm

Wendy Bacon, that old purveyor of propaganda and fabricated hit pieces.

The difference between her and Walter Duranty is that Duranty was actually competent.

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 4:55 pm

Whatever happens to you was being prepared for you from everlasting, and the mesh of causes was ever spinning from eternity both your own existence and the incidence of this particular happening

Was Jesus Christ a stoic?

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
October 23, 2023 4:57 pm

Not immediately clear how crisp, clear concepts like ‘vertical equity’ and ‘in proportion to their inequality’ handle the many complex distinctions between people living in Turd World remote communities, indigenous people living lives indistinguishable from anyone else, indigenous high achievers on the greasy pole of public life, and neo-Aboriginals who have recently discovered an indigenous great grandie.

There’s probably an Expert somewhere waiting to tell us.

The common theme from these experts is that they are willing to commit other people’s money and access to influence and status to rectify what they see as disadvantage.

None of them are willing to sacrifice their own money, influence or status, indeed many of them depend on the concept of disadvantage to acquire these things.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 23, 2023 4:59 pm

We get histrionic obsequiousness warnings on TV programs that they might contain an image of a dead indigines – even though I cannot see how their cultures could have had an opinion on personal likenesses as neither the visual nor the plastic arts had not attained that level of accomplishment.

I have pointed out here before that Yothu Yindi kept images of whichever Yunupingu was their lead singer on their web site for at least 4 years after he died… apparently that’s different because reasons.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 23, 2023 5:02 pm

That’s disgusting. Many of those statues were erected by subscription from donors and are part of our heritage.

Hello National Trust where are you?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 5:04 pm

Sharri’s opening monologue all killer, no filler.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 5:06 pm

For those who follow Sharri’s work, as soon as the monologue is on Sky’s socials, can you please share far & wide.

johanna
johanna
October 23, 2023 5:08 pm

Auto-correct is a faking botch.

People here are always complaining about it. Why don’t you switch it off?

If you can’t, why are you using a device which edits what you are trying to say? And then complaining about it?

I have autogroupthink and spellgroupthink as an option on my PC, and they are switched off. Never use the phone because arthritis in the hand. My typos are my own.

Maybe search around and find the dissidents who have figured out a way to disable these monsters. No doubt someone has worked out how.

But, FFS, stop incessantly complaining and acting like victims.

This has been a community service announcement. 🙂

Frank
Frank
October 23, 2023 5:11 pm

There’s probably an Expert somewhere waiting to tell us.

He or she will say that more research is needed.

Can I have my money now please.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 23, 2023 5:11 pm

DB, according to reddit, there have been daily raids into Gaza.
Who knows who they’ve gotten back, which Hamas animals they’ve snatched & who they’ve turned into red goo.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 23, 2023 5:12 pm

I don’t think it’s Marty. I think it’s Faulty’s twin brother. Faulty 2.

I’m not entirely sure that is comforting, JC!

Frank
Frank
October 23, 2023 5:13 pm

Something in common with these theocracies is that education drops off a cliff.

The Pallis are supposed to have a lot of physics PhDs among themselves, for the rocketry.

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