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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 9:45 pm

JC

Oct 23, 2023 9:44 PM

Liz

I never asked you about your travel. Wasn’t me.

Was it Wodney?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 9:50 pm

Another ‘oh, but’ moment for the Pali sympathisers coming up (the Hun):

Hamas fighters were planning to use deadly cyanide poisoning on civilians when they attacked Israeli villages, according to claims by the President of Israel Isaac Herzog.

Details of the plan to unleash chemical weapons contained on USB devices found on the body of a terrorist, was revealed as Israel agreed to a “continuous flow” of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

And:

Mr Herzog showed two pages of the document [from the body of a terrorist] he claimed included a crude sketch of a device made up of household items combined with chemical agents.

“This is how shocking the situation is, where we’re looking at the instructions that are given on how to operate and how to create a kind of non-professional chemical weapon with cyanide,” he said.

Using chemical weapons on the Jews?

Nice, Palis. Nice. I would love to hear the justification for this.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 9:50 pm

Hmm. Blockquote fail.

You can work out what’s what.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 9:50 pm

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. And you still cannot spell.

The great Slayer of Torries

FFS. Torys.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 23, 2023 9:51 pm

A diabolical problem. But let me say this. The west would be absolutely stupid to take ANY.

I despise multiculturalism, but I suspect that it has suffered from creeping incrementalism. Taking Palli refugees would probably be the final straw.

Thinking back, when Al Grassby started multiculturalism, I think his plan was to increase the influence of Italians in the Labor Party, which was pretty solid Anglo-Saxon at that time. Then the Greek and Yugoslav members jumped on the bandwagon, but the beneficiaries were still Europeans with a broadly Christian culture. Note that the focus was narrowly on Europeans, Whitlam was adamantly against bringing Vietnamese here. They lacked the socialist acculturation of the southern Europeans.

The real failing belongs to Malcolm Fraser (the Liberal Party should never elect leaders named Malcolm, just as Labor should never elect leaders born in Wales). In what might have been a woeful attempt to outflank Labor on multiculturalism, Fraser gave the Lebanese concession in 1975-76, against strong bureaucratic advice.

Since then, Labor has, successfully, again outflanked the Stupid Efffing Liberals, by bringing in as many Middle Easterners as they can get away with. Labor then became convinced that Chinese, and to a lesser extent Indians, would be susceptible to the magic of multiculturalism.

I suspect that many of the Chinese and Indians are less enamoured of multiculturalism than the middle Eastern Muslims, and will soon tire of it, but Labor is now fully committed to the Muslims, as they were to the indigenous activists (but less so to the remote area aboriginals) with Da InVoice.

Doom beckons.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 9:52 pm

Grampians: Covert culture cops drop in for a chilling home visit – with threat of $346,000 fine

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Public service investigators armed with rare search, seizure and entry powers are using draconian cultural heritage laws to threaten Victorian rock climbers and others with heavy fines of more than $346,000 per offence.

Victoria’s First Peoples-State Relations unit is covertly using ­vehicle registrations and other on-the-ground intelligence to decide whether Grampians National Park users should be prosecuted under cultural heritage laws.

A rock climber’s house has twice been visited by a First Peoples unit investigator who works within the Department of Premier and Cabinet, with a direct claim that a vehicle registered in their name has been connected to possible cultural heritage breaches.
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Investigator Adam Green claimed that on October 18 the unnamed owner’s vehicle had been identified in multiple alleged offences, which also could potentially be dealt with under the Crimes Act.

This is the most significant move since rock climbing was banned in 2019 in large parts of the Grampians – one of the world’s top locations for the sport’s elite, ­including free climber and Hollywood star Alex Honnold.

Under the state’s Aboriginal Heritage Act, tangible and intangible cultural heritage is protected, with huge fines for anyone interfering with heritage, even if it is invisible.

Parks Victoria has shut down large swathes of the Grampians from access, including to climbers, walkers and campers, allegedly to protect cultural heritage such as rock art. Much of the rock art is ­invisible to the naked eye but ­experts – and rock climbers – accept there is some significant art worth protecting.

The policy, which involves virtually no transparency over the content of the cultural heritage assessments, has largely killed the global rock-climbing industry in the Grampians.

Mr Green works in the First Peoples-State Relations section of DPC, and the department is ultimately controlled by new Premier Jacinta Allan.

His letter to the climber, who has sought the help of the Australian Climbing Association Vic­toria, was left after officials twice visited the address.

“I am requesting the name of the person in charge of the above vehicle on specific dates in relations to breaches of the Act,’’ it reads.

“The current maximum penalty exceeds $346,000 for an individual found guilty under section 27 of the Act.’’

Parks Victoria made a series of false or unverifiable claims about rock climbers when it pushed to oust the pursuit from large parts of the Grampians.

This included allegations of vandalism that have never been substantiated, although climbing chalk and bolts are visible in some areas.

ACAV president Mike Tomkins said the Victorian government was now aggressively moving to shut down most of the Grampians to public use.

“It’s pretty horrible it’s happening,’’ he said.

Opposition Aboriginal affairs spokesman Peter Walsh said the legislation lacked the ability for people who are prosecuted to ­appeal.

“There should be the opportunity to appeal,’’ he said

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 9:53 pm

Torys.

Ah, no. Tories.

But you would have known that if you were a Pom, as claimed.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 9:53 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 23, 2023 9:50 PM
Hmm. Blockquote fail.

More like a Block Head Fail you sheep shagger.

LOL.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 9:57 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 23, 2023 9:53 PM
Torys.

Actually Toy STorys. TOSSER.

Agent Rotten on the Case.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 10:00 pm

Note that the focus was narrowly on Europeans, Whitlam was adamantly against bringing Vietnamese here. They lacked the socialist acculturation of the southern Europeans.

And they hated Commies.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 10:02 pm

TOSSER.

I thought Miss Wongypenny dragged you away for a pie floater.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 23, 2023 10:04 pm

Nice to see the “Fighting Torries” joke has gone straight over the knotted hanky again.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 10:09 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 10:00 PM
Note that the focus was narrowly on Europeans, Whitlam was adamantly against bringing Vietnamese here. They lacked the socialist acculturation of the southern Europeans.

And they hated Commies.

The Australian “Laybore” Party were the instigators of the White Australia Policy.

So what hypocrites they are now. Gough Whitless never wanted the Vietnamese here. Dickhead. Some of the best Migrants ever. And they don;t vote for “Laybore”. Even better. LOL

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 10:10 pm

Public service investigators armed with rare search, seizure and entry powers are using draconian cultural heritage laws to threaten Victorian rock climbers and others with heavy fines of more than $346,000 per offence.

Get the eff outta here. This is police state stupidity and nastiness.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 10:12 pm

Using chemical weapons on the Jews?

The Egyptian Army was supposed to have used chemical weapons, during the crossing of the Suez Canal in 1973.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 10:12 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 23, 2023 10:04 PM

How are those “budgie smuggler” swimmers going for you? So tight that they are giving you a high pitched VOICE? LOL.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 10:17 pm

Dot
Oct 23, 2023 10:10 PM
Public service investigators armed with rare search, seizure and entry powers are using draconian cultural heritage laws to threaten Victorian rock climbers and others with heavy fines of more than $346,000 per offence.

Get the eff outta here. This is police state stupidity and nastiness.

They voted for Chairman Dan and he was the Man along with those rubber bullets –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA

Dot
Dot
October 23, 2023 10:17 pm

No, as Dotty Dot of Dottiness could never do that. Far way too down beneath her/his/it’s Ivory Academic Tower as to even acknowledge us.

What a strange response given I immediately prior to that interacted with Sal.

This blog has a good mix of people from all different professions and there are some very well credentialed people here (by work experience, academic qualifications or both) who I am in awe of.

If there’s an ivory tower I’m residing in the middling reaches at best.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 10:26 pm

Anyone seen the movie, Reptile, on Netfleas? Just watched it, and it’s really good. Bencio del Toro plays the cop. I like his acting.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 23, 2023 10:27 pm

All good thank you P.

Indolent
Indolent
October 23, 2023 10:30 pm
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 10:30 pm

Dot
Oct 23, 2023 10:17 PM
No, as Dotty Dot of Dottiness could never do that. Far way too down beneath her/his/it’s Ivory Academic Tower as to even acknowledge us.

What a strange response given I immediately prior to that interacted with Sal.

Well Sal told me to have a pop at you……………..So I did. LOL.

Just joking with you.

Yes it is a Great Blog when the abuse is not obtuse.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 10:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJ3i6olgR0

The “Voice” you have, when you reject a “voice” at referendum.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 10:36 pm

Hamas fighters were planning to use deadly cyanide poisoning on civilians when they attacked Israeli villages, according to claims by the President of Israel Isaac Herzog.

Sheez, that would have started a nuking. Iran is a very lucky gal.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 10:41 pm

Evil, Trump supporters.

They look like such normal middle class American people.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 23, 2023 10:46 pm

Dot Oct 23, 2023 9:32 PM
Sal Is your pub in Fortitude Valley?

No.

Jimboomba. The Mild Mild West.

I don’t even know what that word means.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 10:55 pm

And about time too.

‘Not safe anywhere now’: American Jews are flocking to gun training classes
“We can’t put down the phone without picking up the next one,” said a rabbi in Los Angeles who runs a nonprofit group that offers firearm training to the Jewish community.

Quite a few of our friends are Jewish, both in oz and across the Pacific. Every single one that I or wifey has talked to over the past few weeks sounds like Cass. They’re sad and depressed about what occurred and at the same time unfathomably angry with what they are seeing on the streets around the world. We going out with a couple tomorrow evening.

One friend said to me, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget the words … “I am so broken inside . The holocaust didn’t end in 1945 . It went into hibernation”.

This is exactly how they feel and we non-Jews should understand the feelings the Holocaust conveys.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 23, 2023 10:57 pm

It’s A Bit Late For That news (the Tele):

The former US soldier at the centre of the Heston Russell defamation case has issued an apology to the Australian war veteran after he won a defamation case against the ABC’s reporting of war crimes last week.

Russell sued the ABC and two of its reporters in the Federal Court for defaming him in a series of linked articles and broadcasts involving his 2012 service in Afghanistan.

His claim centred around aired allegations US forces refused to work with the 2nd Commando Regiment’s November Platoon after believing they had executed a hogtied Afghan prisoner.

The former major was commander of the platoon and sued the ABC and reporters Josh Robertson and Mark Willacy.

The source at the centre of the failed case, a former helicopter pilot from the US Marines, issued a message to Mr Russell over the weekend.

This amounted to:

“I was naive about how everything would play out, and in retrospect should have been much more thoughtful about what was shared.”

The former helicopter pilot claimed he was on a mission in Afghanistan in 2012 and assumed Aussie soldiers had killed a prisoner in cold blood after he heard a pop sound over the radio.

Translated:

‘Please don’t take my house.’

Indolent
Indolent
October 23, 2023 11:00 pm
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 11:03 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 23, 2023 10:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJ3i6olgR0

The “Voice” you have, when you reject a “voice” at referendum.

Thank you Zulu for posting that and I watched the entire video.

So, in 1788, what Sovereign Nation was here on this Continent? There was none. The tribes that lived around Port Jackson when the British turned up had NO idea that there were other tribes in the Torres Straits, Tasmania or the Pilbara or anywhere else. Unless next door to them. They had no idea that a load of people would turn up on their doorstep with Big Ships and say – HELLO, here we are. In English.

So here is the Truth Telling. Probably 300 Tribes and 300 languages. That is NOT a Nation. Where was the Government? Where where the Leaders? Where was the Flag? Where was the Army? Where were the Police? Where were the Farmers? Where and I can go on and on. There was NO Aboriginal Nation. FULL STOP.

Zafiro
Zafiro
October 23, 2023 11:04 pm

I have been feeling flat and what not lately. Then when I heard how Trump called Pratt’s son a Red haired weirdo, I nearly shat myself laughing.

Indolent
Indolent
October 23, 2023 11:10 pm
JC
JC
October 23, 2023 11:13 pm

I heard how Trump called Pratt’s son a Red haired weirdo

On certain days, Trump’s hair color is very similar.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 11:13 pm

So here is the Truth Telling. Probably 300 Tribes and 300 languages.

Without even a written language?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 11:15 pm

Where were the Farmers?

You’ll be off Bruce Pascoe’s Christmas card list!

Razey
Razey
October 23, 2023 11:15 pm

Israel never attacks, only retaliates. Have they ever attacked any country in their history?

Zafiro
Zafiro
October 23, 2023 11:18 pm

Yeah JC, Trump is a red haired weirdo too. Thats the funny shit

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 23, 2023 11:22 pm

Have they ever attacked any country in their history?

The Israelis annihilated the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian air forces on the ground in 1967.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 11:24 pm

Razey
Oct 23, 2023 11:15 PM

Israel never attacks, only retaliates. Have they ever attacked any country in their history?

Actually, Israel attacked the Egyptian forces first in 67. There was also one time, I think they crossed to border to beat up the Haz in the 80s. They’re not sitting ducks.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 23, 2023 11:25 pm

Have they ever attacked any country in their history?

Yeah, & in a remarkable coincidence, the one time Israel did attack, the neighbours had pretty much their entire army perched on the Israeli border & more or less got wiped out in the one, unprovoked, sneak attack by Israel.

Wonder how that came to be?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 11:25 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 23, 2023 11:13 PM
So here is the Truth Telling. Probably 300 Tribes and 300 languages.

Without even a written language?

Whoops, as a Pommy Bastard I maybe in trouble with the Authorities. Where is the First Fleet when you need them?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 23, 2023 11:29 pm

Which war was it had the cartoon with a horde of Arab soldiers running hell for leather, eyes wide with fear. One of the troops is querying why they’re running, his mate says: “But comrade, there are two of them!”

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Yeah, & in a remarkable coincidence, the one time Israel did attack, the neighbours had pretty much their entire army perched on the Israeli border & more or less got wiped out in the one, unprovoked, sneak attack by Israel.

Wonder how that came to be?

Maybe some Great Intelligence and a sense of Self Preservation. Farking Brillo anyway.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Whoops, as a Pommy Bastard I maybe in trouble with the Authorities.

No problem. Just declare the place Terra Nullius & carry on with whatever colonialist settler item of exploitation, denial, expropriation you were conducting.

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 11:34 pm

It wasn’t the Haz, it was the PLO.

1982: On June 6, 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon under the pretence of stopping PLO raids across its border. The Israeli forces, however, progressed as far north as the capital Beirut, laying siege to the largely pro-Palestinian West Beirut.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Important casualty minimisation tip for Commanders-in-Chief: Don’t outfit your entire army in fighting kit & then bivouac them in combat formation, right on the border of a neighbouring nation that your politicians been swearing to “wipe from the face of the earth”.

MatrixTransform
October 23, 2023 11:40 pm

I dream of going to a black tie dinner party where people say words like that.

sancho, ur so high-brow

are all your black-tie associates named Wodney too ?

listen to yrself you complete moron

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 11:45 pm

JC
Oct 23, 2023 11:34 PM
It wasn’t the Haz, it was the PLO.

1982: On June 6, 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon under the pretence of stopping PLO raids across its border. The Israeli forces, however, progressed as far north as the capital Beirut, laying siege to the largely pro-Palestinian West Beirut.

And this time there is a BIG difference. “Yassar Crack O Fat” is dead and the Yids are really pissed off Big Time this time. Here come the Nukes. Arabs and Iranians, reap what you sow. Here comes the wind.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 23, 2023 11:48 pm

sancho, ur so high-brow

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose in those tights can only ever be low brow or low bra. LOL,

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 23, 2023 11:52 pm

Bruce Hornsby:

The Way It Is

JC
JC
October 23, 2023 11:57 pm

Interesting comedy show.

Comedian Dave Chappelle told the audience at his Boston show last week that he didn’t plan to talk about conflict in the Middle East but parkway through the set criticised the Israeli government’s strikes on Gaza.

He said the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel were wrong and added that there was no excuse for cutting off water, electricity, food and medical supplies to innocent civilians. Chappelle was also critical of the financial assistance the U.S. is providing Israel.

At one point, an audience member told him to shut up and Chappelle responded by criticising the man for trying to silence him at his own show. The comedian told the audience member to shut up, attendees recalled.

Chappelle show attendees said the crowd appeared mostly supportive of his comments, and many shouted “Free Palestine.” A small faction of attendees got up and left the show while a handful shouted, “What about Hamas?” attendees said.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 12:05 am

I just love being on this Blog later at night but I miss the alleged banter from Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, “Jer Cough Cretin with the Big Nose and Short Arse”, Dotty Dot of Dottiness and Neanderthal Person (KD). Maybe they have all nodded orf’ having too many turps.

Well, who knows and tomorrow is always another day. Oh. Here we are now.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 12:11 am

Comedian Dave Chappelle told the audience at his Boston show last week that he didn’t plan to talk about conflict in the Middle East but parkway through the set criticised the Israeli government’s strikes on Gaza.

Number one – Wot’ is parkway?

Number two – The Bloke is NOT a comedian. FFS.

Number three – “Jer Cough Cretin” – Just fark off and go to bed.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 24, 2023 12:14 am

headline

Albanese visiting US is a good opportunity to ‘assert himself’ on the international stage

Asserting himself all over the stage? Really?
Couldn’t he rub’n’tug in discretion behind the stage instead?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 24, 2023 12:19 am

Just for the heck of it, this afternoon I read the Amnesty Australia Twitter feed, back as far as the 5th of October.
Topics covered:
Israel’s inhumanity.
Israel’s war crimes.
India’s shame (voting down SSM)
Support for the Uluru Statement from the Heart
Peaceful Protests in western cities (pro-Palestine protests, natch)
The horrors of collective punishment of Gazans.
Israel should back off from hitting Gaza.
The horror & shame of Israel’s destruction of a hospital in Gaza.
China’s human rights situation… mumble, mumble.
Israel’s war crimes.
The Shame & Racism of the unbelievable Referendum result in Australia.
Urging Israel to “start” respecting the law.

Etc. etc. etc.

Notable omission: Nothing, absolutely nothing about the sadistic depraved rape, murder, kidnapping, carried out at a music festival, or of entire farm families being slaughtered in their beds & homes on the morning of the 7th of October.

Nothing. Not a mention. In fact no tweets at all that day.

First tweet is on the 8th, deploring the horrible situation of both sides.

Not one mention, ever, of the 200 or so innocent hostages held in Gaza.
Amnesty, who used to stick up for prisoners.

I cannot wait until next I’m in the big smoke & encounter these bastards with a trestle table in the Queen Street Mall.
In fact I relish the opportunity.

Digger
Digger
October 24, 2023 12:26 am

Albanese visiting US is a good opportunity to ‘assert himself’ on the international stage

Pfft… He could never assert himself into anything more than he did in the referendum and his influence in that was disastrous…. for him, his political party, Greens, Teals, his wealthy mates, media, unions, big business, elitist activists, the arts, all Australian sports…

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 24, 2023 1:25 am

Greg Sheridan in the Oz has a piece on anti-semitism.

It contains six paragraphs (most of which I agree with) on Christianity, and two sentences on Islam. One of which is “The Koran, like the Christian New Testament, contains disparaging passages about Jews.”

Talk about false equivalence!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 24, 2023 2:34 am

Someone’s hit with a cluebat moment: from the comments re ‘the unsigned letter’ written by disappointed activists re the Voice:

Virgil
6 HOURS AGO
I was undecided on the voice until I saw the pro-Palestinian March through the streets of Melbourne a few days before the vote. Hearing shouts of “Intifada!” and the Palestinian and aboriginal flags flying side by side, it occurred to me that entrenching this kind of political militancy in the constitution would be disastrous. Albo tried to sell it as an innocuous acceptance of indigenous rights. I suddenly saw it as anti-enlightenment, irrational rage and the post-vote letter just confirms it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 24, 2023 2:42 am

Salvatore, Amnesty haven’t received any money from us for a long time now. They are a totally captured organisation, and I suspect they only chose to support the prisoners of conscience whom they approve of, not any prisoner held under illegal rulings or in dreadful conditions.

Haven’t heard a peep from them about the ‘held without trial’ Jan 6 protesters in the US, have we ? Nor concern re the white farm families in South Africa being murdered and tortured without pity. No care there from amnesty. So the ignoring of crimes of humanity against innocent Israeli civilians is par for that course. These crimes don’t rate a mention; it’s Gaza, Gaza, Gaza and Israel without analysis is blamed for any deaths there.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 24, 2023 3:09 am

JC, earlier on you said that you hadn’t seen a blog with a difficult word in it, then noted that you might have missed one of my travelogues. I took the two statements as not exactly diametrically opposed in your own cogitation and was thus alerting you to my latest iterative report on our desultory perigrinations.

I have an almost autistic love of language and try to tone it down, mostly.
Don’t always succeed. 🙂

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 24, 2023 3:30 am

Teh Voice. The gift that keeps giving. Herald Sun:

A scathing letter from Indigenous leaders that accused Australians of committing a “shameful act” in voting down the Voice referendum will undermine any hope of a First Nations treaty, supporters of the Yes campaign have said.

Kate Carnell, the Liberal who led a party of MPs and members in breaking ranks and advocating for the Voice, said the letter from Indigenous leaders will “weaken” any support for a treaty among the 60 per cent of Australians who voted no.

The furious letter released by a cohort of Indigenous leaders has miffed moderate Liberals who campaigned hard for the Voice and whose affluent electorates backed the proposal.

It comes as senior government figures distanced themselves with the views outlined in the letter by reiterating that the government was respecting the decision of the Australian public.

“I understand the hurt from the people who wrote that but I’m not sure it’s helpful … I don’t think finger pointing helps because I don’t think 60 per cent of Australians who voted No were misguided, that they were racist. It doesn’t help to suggest they didn’t know what they are doing,” Ms Carnell said.

“If you attempt to say ‘We were robbed’ it just shores up people’s view … I do think it will weaken support for the First Nations treaty. It will get in the way of support for a treaty, not help support for a treaty.”

Ms Carnell said the letter which placed the blame for the Voice defeat squarely on the shoulders of Coalition leaders Peter Dutton and David Littleproud ignored the campaigning of the NSW and Tasmanian Liberal parties.

“I’m disappointed, I don’t think it’s helpful. There were lots of Liberals who voted yes. The leader of the opposition in NSW, a chunk of his shadow ministers were aggressively supporting the Yes approach, as were the Tasmanians. There were a lot of people who I worked with who are Liberal Party members,” she said.

A lack of bipartisan support was one of the major reasons for failure but that meant more work needed to be done to get bipartisan support.”

On Tuesday, senior government ministers were grilled on whether they supported the letter’s sentiments which accused the Voice referendum of unleashing a “tsunami of racism” and that there was “nothing positive” to come from the exercise.

While the letter accused the Australian public of falling for disinformation and lies, Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney respected the view of the Australian public.

“We understand that many Indigenous people are disappointed and hurt by the result on October 14. We accept and respect the decision of the Australian people,” a spokesman for Ms Burney told The Daily Telegraph.

“We are looking forward to engaging with Indigenous organisations and leaders across the country in the coming months.”

The government did not mention the pursuit of a First Nations treaty or truth telling — the remaining two parts of the Uluru Statement from the Heart — but said their focus would be on “health, education, jobs and housing. Including housing and service improvements in remote NT communities and replacing the broken Community Development Program with a more effective jobs program.”

Acting Prime Minister Richard Marles also refused to criticise the decision of the public.

“Obviously, the outcome of the referendum was not what I hoped, but the Australian people always get the answer right,” he said.

The result that occurred in the referendum was not a vote against reconciliation, nor was it a vote against taking action on closing the gap.”

Finance Minister Katy Gallagher told ABC “from the government’s point of view, the referendum was held. We respect and accept that decision” while Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong said she regretted that the issue had “become very partisan”.

When one side decided to use bully tactics, to try and guilt Australians, to denounce their opponent as redneck racisty racists, and with all that funding behind them, then yes the other side would feel a little peeved.
The authors of this letter (looking at you Noel) need to be identified and sacked from their positions.

Tom
Tom
October 24, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
October 24, 2023 4:07 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 5:14 am

Anyone seen the movie, Reptile, on Netfleas?

Good movie.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 24, 2023 5:29 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 23, 2023 8:46 PM
Jacqui Lambie is way smarter than Waleed Ali

I never thought I would agree with Jacqui Lambie.

Just saw the clip of Jacqui Lambie calling HamARSE for what it is murdering cowards. If you agree with Jacqui Lambie send an email to her office and congratulate her on her courage and tell her how much smarter she is than all the lily-livered smarties in the media and in positions of power and leadership in Australia – I just did.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 24, 2023 5:49 am

Kate Carnell, the Liberal who led a party of MPs and members in breaking ranks and advocating for the Voice, said the letter from Indigenous leaders will “weaken” any support for a treaty among the 60 per cent of Australians who voted no.

Why anyone would listen to Kate Carnell is beyond me. That she has the temerity to show remain in the public eye is also tribute to her chutzpah – She is a loser of the first order and was head of a group of losers — Liberals for Yes. Ask Katie Bender’s family what they think of her judgment — sadly Katie herself can’t comment – she’s dead thanks to the poor judgment of this Clover Less look-alike.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 6:01 am

Many thanks once again Tom.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 6:04 am

feelthebern
Oct 24, 2023 5:14 AM
Anyone seen the movie, Reptile, on Netfleas?

Good movie.

Talk to “Jer Cough Cretin” when he wakes up later today. Apparently, he saw it at the Pub/Bars he frequents.

Gabor
Gabor
October 24, 2023 6:14 am

Johnny Rotten
Oct 24, 2023 6:04 AM

feelthebern
Oct 24, 2023 5:14 AM

Anyone seen the movie, Reptile, on Netfleas?
Talk to “Jer Cough Cretin” when he wakes up later today. Apparently, he saw it at the Pub/Bars he frequents.

As someone up thread mentioned, he doesn’t mind your posts but not fond of the Armstrong oracle.

I feel the same and scroll, but honestly, is it really necessary to start the day with this crap?
Is there a point to it, or just be nasty for the sake of it?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 6:20 am

Gaza is an odd place.
Family members appear to love lying down & embracing their dead family members who are wrapped in up sheets.
Never seen it in other cultures.
Always a camera on hand to capture it too.
What are the odds.

Cassie of Sydney
October 24, 2023 6:42 am

The London plod’s excuse for standing and doing nothing whilst Islamist supporters screeched “Jihad” against Jews and Israel just two days ago is a corker! According to the geniuses in the London plod, ‘jihad has a number of meanings“. Wow wee, oy vey! Who knew this? Well you see, I did happen know the meaning of “jihad”. It means ‘struggle’ in English, and whilst the word can be used in a number of different contexts, if you hear it used at a protest against Israel and Jews, like in London on the weekend, it’s meaning and context is very, very clear. Hearing cries of ‘jihad’ screamed, shouted and screeched at a protest is a specific and very direct call for followers of Islam to wage a physical struggle against people like me and the state of Israel.

So, perhaps this new “interpretative contextual policing” is why the NSWanssee police stood by, did nothing, and allowed Islamist and leftist protesters to screech, shout and scream ‘gas the Jews‘ on the steps of the Sydney Opera House just two weeks ago? Perhaps the geniuses in NSWannsee plod also thought that the cries of ‘gas the Jews’ has a number of meanings and depends on ‘context’?

Modern policing. Be scared, this Jew is.

Cassie of Sydney
October 24, 2023 6:58 am

I get it….

Rape isn’t really rape when the victims are Jews.
Murder isn’t really murder when the victims are Jews.
Decapitating babies, butchering children isn’t slaughter when the victims are Jews.
Taking hostages isn’t breaking any laws when the hostages are Jews.
Inciting violence across the West doesn’t count when the targets are Jews.

Cassie, Cassie, Cassie, it’s those legitimate grievances again!

As JC wrote about his friend above…

One friend said to me, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget the words … “I am so broken inside . The holocaust didn’t end in 1945 . It went into hibernation”.”

Yes. And there is one thing I’m now sure of, and that is ‘we Jews don’t count’.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 7:00 am

These are the same people who arrest Christians for praying outside abortion clinics.

Met chief insists ‘not police’s job to enforce taste and decency’ after ‘jihad chant’ row (23 Oct)

And woe betide if you misgender someone or post a meme somebody doesn’t like. Any wonder plod is no longer trusted by law abiding people?

calli
calli
October 24, 2023 7:03 am

It’s a sad day when none of the cartoons are remotely funny. But thanks for posting, Tom. Perhaps it’s another sign of the times.

Cassie, my child is afraid too. It’s come as a shock to me, as it’s way out of character. It’s about the kids, of course. You can only take safety precautions so far.

Every day our governments, their agencies and qangos give me more reason to actively despise them. The distrust stage was left behind long ago.

Gabor
Gabor
October 24, 2023 7:04 am

Yes. And there is one thing I’m now sure of, and that is ‘we Jews don’t count’.

And they are telling you, that the Jews are a movers and shakers, who rule the world.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 24, 2023 7:07 am

Kate Carnell, a rat with a gold tooth is how she was described when I’d come to canbra. Never heard of her beforehand. My local Toytown rep is retiring, apparently been the member for the last 20 years, both my wife and myself have never heard of her.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 7:11 am

Microsoft to now invest 5 Billion South Pacific Pesos in Australia. “Albo Economics” on the case once more with the Feral Guv’ment paying out 10 Billion South Paciific Pesos pa to protect us from Nigerian telephone scams.

Nice work. LOL.

The ATO need a bit of help as well after that GST scam. How abaat’ anuvver’ Royal Commission lads. The Legal Mob need the moneeeeeee.

FFS. Horse Tralia – The Clever Country.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 7:13 am

GreyRanga
Oct 24, 2023 7:07 AM
Kate Carnell,

She’s had more pricks in her than a second hand dartboard.

Cassie of Sydney
October 24, 2023 7:15 am

I’ve long had a lot of time for Tommy Robinson, a working class man who, like Katie Hopkins, has been calling out the problems of Islam in the UK, the rape gangs, and general UK dhimmitude for years now. For their thought crimes, both Robinson and Hopkins have been demonised, marginalised, ridiculed, smeared by the UK establishment, including many on the right like Nigel Farage, along with established UK Jewish organisations like the useless UK Board of Deputies.

In the wake of the UK weekend protests, with the screeches of “jihad” ringing across London, a city that once upon a time had bells chiming, where Muslim men now pray in front of Downing Street, and make no mistake, both are palpable Islamic threats to the UK, Tommy Robinson has uploaded a video (I can’t find the original) but Mahyar Tousi (another dark skinned, far-right, white supremacist of sub-continent origin) has posted Tommy’s very perfectly accurate rant…..

Tommy Robinson DESTROYS Pro-Palestine Narrative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgHzv9dtUQ8

Tommy does a good rant, a very accurate rant. Pardon his language, but he is a boy from Luton.

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 7:22 am

This latest from PJW just shows how dumb and conscience free the UK cops are.

UK/English flag = raaaaayyyycist
Support of Hamas, the ISIS or AQ flags, niiiice

They, lie, dissemble and intimidate actual peaceful protesters whilst running interference for supporters of some of the worst terrorists in history or the terrorists themselves.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 7:23 am

Is there a point to it, or just be nasty for the sake of it?

Just following the alleged Oracle of Sictoria (Pompous Windbag) who booted into me from day one on here. As he/she/it has dementia = probably doesn’t remember. BUT I do.

Crap or NO crap. People reap what they sow.

Just talk to Sal or Matrix and a few others on here.

Agent Rotten – Over and out (for now).

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 24, 2023 7:23 am

Judging by the rage and fury of the Indigenous leaders who feel so jilted by the referendum it is clear that they were not planning on accessing ‘modest proposal’ or a ‘generous offer’.

They had something far grander in mind.

Thus the 60% are vindicated, and all the elites (including the Dino-dickhead and newly minted Aborigine, Ray Martin) were peddling misinformation.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 24, 2023 7:26 am

In the Oz today:

Reliance on solar ‘a risk to nation’s security’
Australia is developing plans to mitigate the threat of a cyber attack on our rooftop solar network, amid fears an assault could cripple our energy system.

close, but no cigar – the existing solar network is *already* an assault on our energy system.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 24, 2023 7:27 am

Attempted Putsch imo.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 7:29 am

Go glue yourself to a road somewhere. One in Gaza preferably.

Extinction Rebellion Climate Activists ‘Occupy’ International Criminal Court to Protest Israel (23 Oct)

Activists from the Extinction Rebellion group took over a bridge in front of The Hague-based court just after noon, carrying a banner that read “Netanyahu is a war criminal.”

The Dutch branch of the activist group, which was originally set up to campaign against climate change, has staged several other pro-Palestinian actions since Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7.

What exactly has Israel got to do with climate change? This sudden antisemitism from these green activists, like the Stinkies and Greta, is weird. I don’t think they’re winning people for Gaia by doing this.

Gabor
Gabor
October 24, 2023 7:33 am

Haaretz today is particularly hostile towards the government , seems like the fighting the common enemy together is forgotten, overridden by politics and ideology.

Steve from kenmore
Steve from kenmore
October 24, 2023 7:33 am

Now of course the real issue with Obama was he claimed to be a poor foreign student at university.

He was born in Kenya.

And the records are sealed

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 7:38 am

desultory perigrinations

Epitectus would be disappointed.

Anyway, I searched for “the masses are so incurably deluded and the elite are so incurably corrupt” on Google and apparently there is only one result on Quora about how bad Republicans are about not trusting government.

Don’t tell me Google isn’t part of an authoritarian psy op.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 24, 2023 7:45 am

Weird how many people condemn the Israelis for cutting water and electricity to to Gaza – it is a non-lethal strike. Amongst more advanced cultures, such as Neanderthals, such a threat would at least prompt a re-appraisal of strategy.

Not so the Palis.

The people of Gaza are either unwilling hostages to Hamas, in which case everyone should be cheering Israel on as they seek to destroy the oppressive little turds keeping the Palestinians prisoner, or those Palestinians are willing and complicit, in which case they are not mere innocent victims – which means that collateral damage (as opposed to deliberate targeting) of the population is legitimate.

I don’t know what Dave Chapelle is on about.

Tom
Tom
October 24, 2023 7:49 am

What exactly has Israel got to do with climate change? This sudden antisemitism from these green activists, like the Stinkies and Greta, is weird. I don’t think they’re winning people for Gaia by doing this.

Climate activists couldn’t give a stuff about the climate. They’re communist radicals campaigning for the drowning of the capitalist free market by Big Government socialism.

They’re the Chinese Communist Party’s useful idiots in the West.

Ordinary people see it. Our governments don’t because the bigger the government, the more power that politicians have over our lives — especially in the suffocating Australian nanny state which treats voters like naughty children.

shatterzzz
October 24, 2023 7:53 am

They used to say “any publicity is good publicity” .. Hopefully, in this case they’ve got it wrong .. Pity they didn’t include the street address to make it easier ……!

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/10/23/hamas-fugitive-leader-living-in-london-government-subsidised-housing-after-receiving-uk-citizenship/

caveman
caveman
October 24, 2023 7:53 am

Albo Economics” on the case once more with the Feral Guv’ment paying out 10 Billion South Paciific Pesos pa to protect us from Nigerian telephone scams.

He better not be, I’m on my way to becoming the king of a small pacific island, and who knew my ancestors were abolished from the throne and robbed of their many treasures. It took me $5,000k to discover this, I’m not going to have my family name besmirched again.
They said my plane tickets should be arriving shortly.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 24, 2023 8:03 am

Tom

Our governments don’t because the bigger the government, the more power that politicians have over our lives — especially in the suffocating Australian nanny state which treats voters like naughty children.

I disagree. As governments get bigger, the only power that they have is the limited power granted to them by the bureaucracy, which permits ministers to sign and announce the decisions of the bureaucrats. The latter regard the voters as unworthy of their attention.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 8:07 am

Moderates news.

‘Moderate’ Palestinian Authority Calls to Murder Jews: ‘Fight the Jews’ and ‘Kill’ Them All (22 Oct)

In a startling revelation, an official document recently published by the supposedly “moderate” Palestinian Authority is shown to outline explicit calls for the murder of Jewish individuals, as it calls on imams to incite violence against Jews in Friday sermons, citing a religious text for Muslims to “fight the Jews” and “kill” them all.

The document, published Friday by the Palestinian Authority’s Ministry of Endowments and Religious Affairs, provides comprehensive instructions for imams to incite violence in their weekly religious sermons, including inflammatory rhetoric and a message to “kill” the Jews.

I suspect Abbas is getting heat from the grass roots. On the other hand preaching fire-breathing sermons in West Bank mosques on Fridays is just as likely to incite the ferals to rise up and overthrow Mr Abbas.

rosie
rosie
October 24, 2023 8:10 am

Good to see a note of caution creeping in.

Still, a full surrender of Hamas and the return of Israeli hostages could end Israel’s war in the Gaza Strip, Israel Defense Forces spokesperson Jonathan Conricus told ABC Radio Melbourne.

CNBC could not independently verify these numbers.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 24, 2023 8:12 am

Correct BJ. Just look at the demeanour of trash like Parkinson and Henry. I also know other Canbra pubes further down the food chain and their contempt for hard work and real achievement is palpable.

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 8:14 am

Zulu last night:

This needs reposting.

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Grampians: Covert culture cops drop in for a chilling home visit – with threat of $346,000 fine

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Public service investigators armed with rare search, seizure and entry powers are using draconian cultural heritage laws to threaten Victorian rock climbers and others with heavy fines of more than $346,000 per offence.

Victoria’s First Peoples-State Relations unit is covertly using ­vehicle registrations and other on-the-ground intelligence to decide whether Grampians National Park users should be prosecuted under cultural heritage laws.

A rock climber’s house has twice been visited by a First Peoples unit investigator who works within the Department of Premier and Cabinet, with a direct claim that a vehicle registered in their name has been connected to possible cultural heritage breaches.
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Investigator Adam Green claimed that on October 18 the unnamed owner’s vehicle had been identified in multiple alleged offences, which also could potentially be dealt with under the Crimes Act.

This is the most significant move since rock climbing was banned in 2019 in large parts of the Grampians – one of the world’s top locations for the sport’s elite, ­including free climber and Hollywood star Alex Honnold.

Under the state’s Aboriginal Heritage Act, tangible and intangible cultural heritage is protected, with huge fines for anyone interfering with heritage, even if it is invisible.

Parks Victoria has shut down large swathes of the Grampians from access, including to climbers, walkers and campers, allegedly to protect cultural heritage such as rock art. Much of the rock art is ­invisible to the naked eye but ­experts – and rock climbers – accept there is some significant art worth protecting.

The policy, which involves virtually no transparency over the content of the cultural heritage assessments, has largely killed the global rock-climbing industry in the Grampians.

Mr Green works in the First Peoples-State Relations section of DPC, and the department is ultimately controlled by new Premier Jacinta Allan.

His letter to the climber, who has sought the help of the Australian Climbing Association Vic­toria, was left after officials twice visited the address.

“I am requesting the name of the person in charge of the above vehicle on specific dates in relations to breaches of the Act,’’ it reads.

“The current maximum penalty exceeds $346,000 for an individual found guilty under section 27 of the Act.’’

Parks Victoria made a series of false or unverifiable claims about rock climbers when it pushed to oust the pursuit from large parts of the Grampians.

This included allegations of vandalism that have never been substantiated, although climbing chalk and bolts are visible in some areas.

ACAV president Mike Tomkins said the Victorian government was now aggressively moving to shut down most of the Grampians to public use.

“It’s pretty horrible it’s happening,’’ he said.

Opposition Aboriginal affairs spokesman Peter Walsh said the legislation lacked the ability for people who are prosecuted to ­appeal.

“There should be the opportunity to appeal,’’ he said

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 8:17 am

What do my Opera House-going friends think of the despicable Tim Minchin being basically the creative director for the 50th-anniversary celebrations?

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:18 am

Minister Penny Wong said she regretted that the issue had “become very partisan”.

And who’s to blame for that?

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:19 am

What do my Opera House-going friends think of the despicable Tim Minchin being basically the creative director for the 50th-anniversary celebrations?

It speaks to the decline of Australian culture over the last two generations.

rosie
rosie
October 24, 2023 8:21 am

Everything to do with ‘first peoples’ in Victoria is shrouded in secrecy.
Anything to do with Aboriginal heritage is just stand over merchant, this is what you must pay, no negotiation, no time frames for completion.
And driving around looking for alledged breaches and forcing stop works?
Also par for the course.
It’s costing Victorians millions and nobody has any recourse.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 24, 2023 8:22 am

What do my Opera House-going friends think of the despicable Tim Minchin being basically the creative director for the 50th-anniversary celebrations?

You’d rather have Mr G from Summer Heights High.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 8:23 am

David Burge
@iowahawkblog

Until we have 4k Ultra HD footage from 6 different angles confirmed by Hamas forensic scientists, we simply cannot rule out a mass spontaneous baby head detachment event

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 8:24 am

David Burge
@iowahawkblog

jfc if these people were around in 1945, they’d be arguing Nazi death camps could just be weight loss spas

MatrixTransform
October 24, 2023 8:24 am

who booted into me from day one on here

JR… it’s pretty clear that the paranoids think that you and me are the same.

Explains why the Clown Posse never stop ragging even when I spend weeks away from this joint

About 2 years ago something I said sent JCs noid-rage off big time.

Haven’t got the foggiest why.

You’re right though. He does have previous form

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:25 am

‘Australian wine producers welcome the prospect of China lifting tariffs.’

It’s been a hard few years for them, but evidently they’ve learned little from it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 8:26 am

You’d rather have Mr G from Summer Heights High.

One of the greatest Australian comedies ever.
Would not be made today.

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 8:29 am

JR… it’s pretty clear that the paranoids think that you and me are the same.

I’m willing to bet literally no one thinks this. A (long time) Sydney Cat said they were old friends with JR.

Stephen Williams
Stephen Williams
October 24, 2023 8:33 am

ftb best school comedy ever, 7 periods with Mr Gormsby.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 8:36 am

Fat people should not drive EVs.

Want More Miles From Your EV? Lose Weight! (23 Oct)

Some wonderful tips from the useless [UK] Telegraph for squeezing a few miles more out of your EV!

The tips include:

Don’t drive when the weather’s too hot or cold
Turn your heating down in winter
Fit a heat pump
Don’t use the motorway
Lose weight
Slow down

This propaganda is getting even more ludicrous by the day.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:36 am

Allegations of the misappropriation by PNG officials of Australian funds intended to support country shoppers sent to PNG have been made by a local whistleblower.

It did seem odd that the money suddenly ran out without warning.

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 8:39 am

EVs literally don’t work the same as a normal car or a heavy-duty truck.

EVs are less efficient on highways, unlike your normal ICE car or truck. Scotty Kilmer in his latest video talks about how an EV motorbike actually only has 1 – 2 hours of range on a highway as the regenerative braking is lessened significantly.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 8:43 am

Snowy 2.0, doomed from the start — after the sinkhole came the poison gas, “worst major project in history”

By Jo Nova

It’s just emblematic of your Clean Green Future

Complexity and false hope is eating the crown of Australia’s Net Zero transition — the Snowy 2.0 Pumped Hydro scheme.

Things have gone from “debacle” to Soviet Grade Industrial Fiasco.

After Florence-the-tunnel-borer got stuck and created a sinkhole, workers spent seven months trying to shore up the ground, playing God against the mountain — pumping in grout, cement and polyurethane foam.

But the foam made a gas so toxic the tunnel had to be evacuated.

To make things worse the workers were originally told the gas was water vapor but it turned out to be isocyanate.

At every point the Snowy Hydro team hid the bad news and issued propaganda, and it’s only taken the ABC a year to tell us the workers predicted the sinkhole, and three months to investigate the safety breach.

Still, that’s better than the NSW regulator who knows all the other safety breaches but won’t even share them, because it’s so bad ” it may affect the contractor’s reputation.” (Which it surely just did anyway.)

This is your low-carbon future. It was supposed to cost $2 billion but the bill is $12 billion.

It was supposed to be finished, but it’s barely begun. Florence the tunnel borer was meant to have dug a 15km long hole through the mountain, but it’s only bored through 150 meters. It did about a weeks worth of progress before being stuck for 19 months.

They knew at the start things were doomed, but did it anyway.

Workers drilled ahead and hit soft ground only 100m from the opening. Water gushed out, proving there would be mass mud within. But they filled the hole and went ahead anyway. They were supposed to have a slurry system in place, to cope with the mud, but it wasn’t there.

In just 8 weeks the borer was predictably bogged — wallowing in up to 4 feet of water. Drowning perhaps in fantasies of building a sacred weather talisman.

Do normal industrial projects, given normal scrutiny, go so wrong, for so long?

A sinkhole, toxic gas and the $2 billion mistake behind Snowy 2.0’s blowout

ABC Four Corners, By Angus Grigg, Lesley Robinson, Kamin Gock

Dragnet
Dragnet
October 24, 2023 8:43 am

Dot @ 8.29
Yes, that’d be me, but I have no intention of getting drawn into the nonsense.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:44 am

British Muslim Latifa Abouchakra Cried About Being Called a Terrorist in ITV Interview

A Week Later She Appeared on TV Praising Hamas Slaughter in Southern Israel

Tommy Robinson News

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 24, 2023 8:44 am

ICE engines on home fire pumps and chain saws versus the battery equivalent.

Which one do you trust on the next bushfire day?

Which one will you be forced to use at the risk of your life?

JC
JC
October 24, 2023 8:45 am

It’s international victims day.

I’ve never seen anything like it. The two worst trolls and wannabe bullies here are having a morning cry because some of us push back.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:46 am

Snowy 2.0, doomed from the start — after the sinkhole came the poison gas, “worst major project in history”

Should be re-named ‘Turnbull’s Folly.’

shatterzzz
October 24, 2023 8:48 am

It did seem odd that the money suddenly ran out without warning.

Just, gossipy, speculation as we is alwayz assured “our” foreign aid money only goes to those who rooly, rooly need it ……..!

alwaysright
alwaysright
October 24, 2023 8:49 am

Soviet Grade Industrial Fiasco

Ha. Any business in Melbournisbad.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 8:50 am

The ‘Palestinian Authority’ – the entity funded by Australia – issues call to murder Jews.

This has been formally issued to Imams by the ‘government’ of Palestine, the ‘Palestinian Authority – the same entity that Australia currently funds to the tune of $32++ per annum.

“The Day of Judgement will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, until the Jew hides behind the stones and the trees and the stones or the trees say ‘O Muslim, O Servant of God, this is a Jew behind me, Come and kill him.’”

This is not Hamas. This is the Palestinian Authority, the governing entity we Australian taxpayers fund.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 8:50 am

Gnarly dirt is a terrifying danger to us all.

A new climate scare — Boiling Soils! ‘Climate change’ is now causing ‘SOIL HEATWAVES’ – Claim: ‘Heat Waves in the Ground Are Getting More Extreme—& Perilous’ (23 Oct)

Wired Mag: ‘Heat waves are rippling through the ground’ – ‘Soil heat waves could become a kind of repetitive stress on these underground communities.’ – How heat waves are rippling through the ground is much less studied. This proliferation of heat could have major implications for the intricate natural systems that grow our food, process water, and even sequester carbon.

At a certain point, warming soils could actually contribute to higher air temperatures, in a gnarly sort of climatic feedback loop. Late last month, García-García published troubling findings in the journal Nature Climate Change about soil heat extremes across Central Europe.

I think this guy has watched the disaster movie 2012 a little too often.

JC
JC
October 24, 2023 8:52 am

feelthebern
Oct 24, 2023 5:14 AM
Anyone seen the movie, Reptile, on Netfleas?

Good movie.

Bern

Snap, sort of.
I mentioned that I watched it last night. Good movie I thought.

shatterzzz
October 24, 2023 8:53 am

Snowy 2.0, doomed from the start — after the sinkhole came the poison gas, “worst major project in history”

Money that could have gone into deserving Cayman super top-ups wasted on a”real” project …… Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh the irony! ………

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 24, 2023 8:55 am

In Waiting for the Next Lifeboat news:

Labor wants more to hear more Indigenous voices before it speaks up
[unlinkable OZ]

Labor refuses to make any new Indigenous policy push until it hears from Aboriginal groups that disagree with a strident statement from Yes leaders declaring reconciliation all but dead.

The bit in the Open Letter that Labor wants repeated and endorsed, as repeatedly as possible:

“The support for the referendum collapsed from the moment Liberal and National Party leaders, Mr Dutton and Mr Littleproud, chose to oppose the Voice to Parliament proposal after more than a decade of bipartisan support…”

Yes participant, Greg Craven, who was there at the time, points the bone that isn’t included in the Open Letter:

Bipartisanship was negated from the very start by Albanese. He did not want it. He excluded the Coalition from all meaningful discussion. This was to be a Labor triumph. Dutton merely trailed in his wake.

The Indigenous inner circle know all this, because they were part of the decision. They knew exactly what Albanese was doing, and key players just did not care. They stated confidently that the referendum was so obvious it did not need bipartisanship.

One more time: the Referendum is a political albatross around Albanese’s neck. It was always about fighting Torries and never about government.

We all saw it happening.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 8:56 am

Scotty Kilmer in his latest video talks about how an EV motorbike actually only has 1 – 2 hours of range on a highway

Head out on the highway (guitar riff)
Lookin’ for a charge station (guitar riff)
And one better come our way (dramatic pause as music fades)

Chorus

Born to suffer range anxiety….

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 24, 2023 8:57 am
duncanm
duncanm
October 24, 2023 8:59 am

bern – thanks for making me look up David Burge again

David Burge
@iowahawkblog
·
7h
jfc if these people were around in 1945, they’d be arguing Nazi death camps could just be weight loss spas

Entropy
Entropy
October 24, 2023 8:59 am

At a certain point, warming soils could actually contribute to higher air temperatures,

a quite captain obvious statement dressed up as climate fear.
I wonder what the authors thoughts are on the existential dangers of concrete and asphalt!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 9:00 am

JC, I was replying to you regarding Reptile.
I like a movie that might seem ponderous.
Helps build the character development.

JC
JC
October 24, 2023 9:04 am

Oh okay ,Bern.

The Rolex gave away the plot. 🙂

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 24, 2023 9:06 am

What do my Opera House-going friends think of the despicable Tim Minchin being basically the creative director for the 50th-anniversary celebrations?

Tim Minchin.

johanna
johanna
October 24, 2023 9:07 am

ftb best school comedy ever, 7 periods with Mr Gormsby.

I’ll see your Mr Gormsby, and raise you Tomkinson’s Schooldays, the very first Ripping Yarn.

Enjoy! 🙂

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:07 am

I wonder what the authors thoughts are on the existential dangers of concrete and asphalt!

I saw an aerial photo of a new Sydney suburb the other day.

Not only are all the houses ridiculously close to each other, they all have dark grey or black roofs. That can’t be good for the urban heat island effect, surely?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 9:10 am

The ABC has been going downhill for years and it’s time to turn the ABC into a subscription service then those that want to watch it can pay for it.

‘They seem to have one view of the world’: Senator Hollie Hughes to grill ABC boss on Voice at Senate estimates

Liberal Senator Hollie Hughes has confirmed the ABC will be in the hot seat at Tuesday’s Senate estimates when managing director David Anderson fronts up to answer questions about the national broadcaster’s coverage of the Voice referendum.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 24, 2023 9:10 am

Ha ha yes Tompkinson’s school days was a crack up. Reminded me of my school – psycho headmaster, boring old old boys with nothing better to do than come to assemblies.

cohenite
October 24, 2023 9:12 am

ftb best school comedy ever, 7 periods with Mr Gormsby.

Gormsby is the best comedy ever. The most politically incorrect show I’ve seen.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:13 am

‘Labor’s Revolutionary Agenda to Destroy Australia’

With the Voice Referendum ‘done’, it’s now both possible and necessary to recognise and understand the broader ‘revolutionary’ agenda that is the gameplay of the Albanese Labor government.

The Voice was an attempt to make a ‘revolutionary’ change to the legal structure of the Australian Constitution and, from that, the institutions under which we are governed and allowed to lead our lives.

The broader revolution runs alongside and is consistent with the Voice agenda and is about legal transformation – capturing core institutions and then, through that, transforming Australia.

Focus should return to Labor Treasurer Jim Chalmers’ long article published earlier this year. In it, he committed to a ‘revolution’ of Australian capitalism without being specific about what that meant. But specifics are now emerging. Take just three initial examples…

– Ken Phillips at The Spectator

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 9:13 am

This is not Hamas. This is the Palestinian Authority, the governing entity we Australian taxpayers fund.

We’ve funded both though, right? I’m sure it would be a crime for me to join or fund Fatah or Hamas.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 24, 2023 9:17 am

Pensioner says he thought he was getting an award from the UN. He got two kilograms of heroin instead

A Kiwi pensioner says he thought he’d flown to Thailand to pick up a Covid-19 award from the United Nations. Instead, it turned out to be two kilograms of heroin.

About 18 months before his arrest, he was contacted through WhatsApp by a man who called himself George, the prosecution’s statement of facts said.

“He was told he needed to go to Bangkok to sign the certificate and pick up prizes for other people back home,” his lawyer told Stuff.

While he was in Bangkok, a woman met the man at his hotel and gave him a black carry-on bag with “carry gifts for officials he would be meeting in Australia”, the court documents said.

After taking the gifts to the “officials” in Melbourne, he would then receive US$23 million (A$36 million) and the certificate.

Quite understandable, then.

His lawyer said his family claimed he had previously fallen for online scams, but this one had far more severe consequences.

Mild understatement.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 24, 2023 9:17 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 9:19 am

That’s what I liked about the movie JC.
You knew where it was going but it didn’t spell it out (like a like of stupid Hollywood movies do).
And it didn’t rely on a stupid reveal at the end.
The reveals were through out the movie but they were subtle.
I liked that.

calli
calli
October 24, 2023 9:20 am

On Minchin, Bill captured the twerp.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 9:23 am

It looks to me as though Israel is being dragged into a War that will end up starting WW3. The hole (no pun intended) of Islam is against the West along with the CCP. Not the Chinese people as I’m sure that they just want to do commerce and have a great Family life as we all do.

I think that I will now retire to the country and live away from a big city which is a Nuclear target.

Over and out for now from Agent Rotten.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:27 am

His lawyer said his family claimed he had previously fallen for online scams, but this one had far more severe consequences.

Why didn’t they prevent him from flying to Thailand then, given the absurd story?

Rabz
October 24, 2023 9:29 am

A sinkhole, toxic gas and the $2 billion mistake behind Snowy 2.0’s blowout

This is what happens when water refuses to flow uphill, despite Waffles Turnbuckle’s exhortations that gliberal policies were no longer bound by the laws of physics.

Or as Tim Blair might opine, “nothing green ever works”.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 9:31 am

Steve trickler
Oct 24, 2023 9:17 AM
Bombshell:

Robin Williams’ Speech | Good Will Hunting | Max

Excellent.

Spurs 2 v Fulham nil

Top of the EPL again. Well done Aussie Ange and the team/squad
.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:35 am

Rishi Sunak Tells the Police He Expects Them to Tackle Extremism “Head On”:

“Calls for jihad on our streets are not only a threat to the Jewish community but to our democratic values and we expect the police to take all necessary action to tackle extremism head on.”

This comes after Home Secretary Suella Braverman met with the Met Police Commissioner for a “please explain” session.

Sunak & Braverman talk a big game, but they are going to look feeble in the face of continued police inaction.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 24, 2023 9:35 am

Dr Faustus: the Referendum is a political albatross around Albanese’s neck.

Yes, and likely will be remembered all the way to the next election and beyond.

When Labor has no runs on the board in terms of lowering the price of living it will be recalled that this same bunch of clowns spent $400m of taxpayer money merely dividing the country.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 9:37 am

Rabz
Oct 24, 2023 9:29 AM
A sinkhole, toxic gas and the $2 billion mistake behind Snowy 2.0’s blowout

This is what happens when water refuses to flow uphill, despite Waffles Turnbuckle’s exhortations that gliberal policies were no longer bound by the laws of physics.

Or as Tim Blair might opine, “nothing green ever works”.

Political/Green Pipe Dreams meet up with Physics and Economic/Financial Reality.

And the Winner is?………………………..Empirical Evidence.

That’s Science Tennis Elbow, Blackout Bowen and ALL you farking ‘Pollies’. Laybore, Greens, Teals, Libs, Nats and so called Independents. And, Clover No More.

duncanm
duncanm
October 24, 2023 9:38 am

Another vote here for Gormsby.

Ahead of its time in poking the woke monster

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 24, 2023 9:39 am

Snowy Hydro is all that is emblematic of Australia’s decline. And could be used as a metaphor for Teh Voice.
Lack of due diligence and consultation.
The attitude of our elected flogs that “she’ll be right mate!”
Wasting dollar after dollar on something that has no practicality.
The reporting on this project, or lack thereof from incurious journalists.
The hubris of said elected officials like Bowen to not have a plan B.
A cock up of the highest order and no one seems to care.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 24, 2023 9:39 am

Apparently it’s Shittier-Than-The-League-Of-Nations-And-Way-More-Expensive Day.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 9:41 am

It’s time to decentralise powers in Canberra to smash its toxic group think and boost regional jobs after huge ACT Yes vote tally showed the territory is out of touch

The ACT’s astounding 60.8 per cent Yes response to the Voice while the rest of the country voted completely the other way shows it’s in its own world, writes Will Kingston.

One of my favourite pieces of legislation passed by the Australian Parliament is the Seat of Government Act 1904.

The Act paved the way for the creation of our beloved national capital – the great, bustling city of Dalgety. And the rest is history…

Well, counterfactual history.

Dalgety was too far from Sydney for the NSW Parliament to accept, they stubbornly refused to cede the territory, and the establishment of our nation’s capital was delayed until a site closer to Sydney could be found.

In 1908, everyone finally agreed on a plan B: Canberra.

No doubt many of Dalgety’s 252 residents sit down for a schooner at the Buckley’s Crossing Hotel on an evening and toast the bullet they dodged.

To our forebear’s credit, Canberra was a brilliant choice.

Keep the politicians away from the bright lights of Sydney and Melbourne.

Drop them in the middle of nowhere, with nothing to do other than debate policy and herd sheep.

Sadly, sometime between the arrival of the flat white and Questacon, the great Canberra experiment took a turn.

The rot, long suspected, was revealed by the outcome of the Voice referendum.

At time of writing, with 80.2 per cent of the votes counted, the national vote and the ACT vote are, remarkably, precisely inverse: Australia sits at 60.8 per cent No, and the ACT sits at 60.8 per cent.

Yes. Every state and territory voted No with comfortable-to-resounding margins, except for the ACT.

If this outlier was produced by any other state or territory, it wouldn’t be as big a deal.

Victorians would keep calling Queenslanders “bogans”.

Queenslanders would keep calling Victorians names not suitable to print.

The world would keep on spinning.

But our capital territory is home to our politicians, the bulk of the public service and the parliamentary press gallery.

In other words, the people who make, administer and report on the decisions that affect you.

The isolation of Canberra, once its greatest advantage, has become its fatal flaw, with three insidious consequences.

First, groupthink pervades our capital like a parasitic mind virus.

The aforementioned institutions parrot the virtues of diversity, while enforcing rigid conformity of thought, coupled with an intolerance of the views of everyday Australians.

This is why Canberra’s response to the Voice defeat has been to champion the misinformation agenda.

Second, political-corporate backslapping is endemic in the capital.

It doesn’t take long for ethical lines to blur between politicians, civil servants, and lobbyists when they all frequent the same Canberra cocktail bars night after night.

We have recently witnessed the extraordinary power of Qantas’ lobbying apparatus to encourage the Federal Government to make decisions against the national interest.

One wonders how effective those lobbyists would be if they didn’t have the opportunity to bump into our leaders in the corridors of power.

Third, limiting well-paid (some may say overpaid) public service jobs to one city is robbing regional areas of employment opportunities.

The regional areas that need those opportunities the most are the remote Indigenous communities that virtue-signalling civil servants claim to care so deeply about.

The old, practical barriers to decentralising the public service no longer apply in a post-COVID world in which you can work and learn remotely via a laptop.

Sure, scientists still need labs and soldiers still need barracks, but that leaves tens of thousands of public sector jobs in Canberra that could be performed remotely in regional areas.

Public service decentralisation was last on the government agenda in 2017, when the then-Coalition government announced plans to move as many departments as possible to regional areas.

It didn’t really go anywhere.

The Coalition discovered that it’s hard to move people and things out of Canberra, it’s even harder during a pandemic and it’s darn near impossible after you’ve been booted out of office.

The referendum has highlighted how urgently we need to restart the decentralisation conversation.

Rabz
October 24, 2023 9:44 am

workers spent seven months trying to shore up the ground, playing God against the mountain — pumping in grout, cement and polyurethane foam.
But the foam made a gas so toxic the tunnel had to be evacuated

Snowy 2.0 is emblematic of the staggering obstinate anti-scientific stupidity that infects the tiny minds of greenfilth zealots. It should never have made it off the drawing board.

$12 billion (seriously, WTF?) down the toxic cavernous plughole and it’s now unlikely to ever be completed, which is probably a good thing, given that it would have consumed more electrickery than it produced. Which is the kicker right there.

Lunacy on stilts – and no one will ever be held accountable.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:44 am

Chris Minns reverses policy on Treaty:

Will not proceed beyond consultation until after the next election.

Rabz
October 24, 2023 9:46 am

BB – I hadn’t seen your comment (I swear) – nice to see we think alike about that absolute stinker of a greenfilth turkey.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 9:48 am

The referendum has highlighted how urgently we need to restart the decentralisation conversation.

Instead of moaning about how hard it is to move public servants out of Canberra, I’d suggest the Coalition should reconsider the powers Canberra has arrogated to itself since federation and particularly since WWII.

Without the unnecessary powers the departments are redundant along with the public servants who man them.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 9:48 am

Will not proceed beyond consultation until after the next election.

This is how elections should work.
Outline your policy framework.
Take it to an election.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 9:51 am

The terrorists’ confessions: We beheaded people, set fire to houses with people inside

Interrogations reveal Hamas offered $10,000 and an apartment to anyone who abducted an Israeli to Gaza.

The Shin Bet and Israel Police published a joint statement this evening (Monday) summarizing the results of the investigation so far into the Hamas massacre of over 1,400 people in southern Israel on October 7, Simchat Torah.

The investigation revealed how Hamas encouraged the murder of men, women, and children of all ages, as well as the taking of hostages back to Gaza.

From the interrogation of six terrorists who were captured in the wake of the massacre, it was discovered that Hamas offered significant financial incentives to anyone who successfully kidnapped an Israeli, with abductors promised $10,000 and a free apartment.

The detainees also stated that “the instructions were to kidnap elderly women and children,” and “to clear the houses, and kidnap as many prisoners as possible.”

One detainee described how he shot a dog in one of his victims’ houses. Another described how he and his fellow terrorists grabbed a 15-year-old girl from her home and took a selfie with their captive before putting her on a motorcycle to Gaza.

One detainee said: “There was a body lying on the floor, I shot her. The commander shouted at me why I was wasting bullets on her body. We finished killing and then before we finished we burned down two houses with their occupants inside.”

The Shin Bet said that the interrogations reveal that the terrorist forces that raided the communities of southern Israel received clear and explicit instructions to kill and kidnap civilians including the elderly, women, and children.

In addition, the senior commanders of Hamas hid in bunkers in Gaza while sending their men to kill, be killed, or be captured in Israel.

All the terrorists in their Shin Bet investigations gave detailed information about the morning of the raid and the massacre in the Israeli towns and also provided valuable information that has already been used and will continue be used to attack military targets in the Gaza Strip.

“The security forces of the State of Israel will settle accounts with all the terrorists who participated in the massacre on 7/10,” the Shin Bet and police statement concluded.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
October 24, 2023 9:52 am

Rabz
Oct 24, 2023 9:29 AM
A sinkhole, toxic gas and the $2 billion mistake behind Snowy 2.0’s blowout

This is what happens when water refuses to flow uphill, despite Waffles Turnbuckle’s exhortations that gliberal policies were no longer bound by the laws of physics.

And this what happens when the Guv’ment “manages” a Project. Taxpayer money flushed down the shit hole. Or in this case, a sinkhole.

And the environment is stuffed. Local tribes, where are you with your Rainbow thingys, Smoking thingys, Dancing thingys, Posturing, etc, etc, etc. Save the wombats and the platypus. Who are they?

And where is Tanya PleberSuck the Feral Environment and Water Mistress?

NO where to be seen unless on TV belly aching for more moneeeeeeeee.

Jorge
Jorge
October 24, 2023 9:52 am

Years ago I was wandering around the VIC Arts Centre when I noticed a small crowd gathered around a young bloke playing piano and warbling away. It was Minchin.

He must have been just out of school then. Anyway, at one point he launched into one of the most deranged and hate filled songs I’ve ever heard. Subject: the Catholic Church, the Pope and contraception.

Fast forward a few years and the ABC run a slavering Minchin bio. By now he’s on the rise and the plaudits in London are loud but (of course) there’s a private torment which the world doesn’t know about. He and wife want a child and have gone through hell getting hopes high only to be disappointed in the end. Happily for them it worked out ultimately.

One suspects the virulent anti Catholicism remains.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 24, 2023 9:58 am

Indigenous Sydney City councillor urges review of ‘offensive’ colonial statues, plaques

By Nicholas Finch
9:47AM October 24, 2023
115 Comments

The City of Sydney is poised to embark on a review of statues of colonial figures such as NSW governor Lachlan Macquarie, as well as to reaffirm its support for the Uluru Statement from the Heart and expand on the city’s Indigenous “voice”.

Sydney’s first Aboriginal councillor, Yvonne Weldon, proposed two motions on Monday, one being a push for “truth-telling” across various Sydney landmarks. This involves the assessment of public monuments such as statues of British colonialists, and evaluating if their plaques need to be modified to accommodate their role in Indigenous history.

“Whether through place names, public art or monuments, representation and recognition in the public domain is important,” Ms Weldon said.
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Ms Weldon’s office confirmed the end goal was not to remove statues, but to modify their plaques for additional context, such as the role of Macquarie in the Appin Massacre, in which at least 14 Aboriginal men, women and children were killed. The plaque attached to Macquarie’s statue reads: “He was a perfect gentleman, a Christian and supreme legislator of the human heart.”

Ms Weldon was unavailable to speak to The Australian on Monday but told the ABC the plaque was inaccurate and offensive.

“Look at the devastation of what (Macquarie) did to First ­Nations people. In his own words he said ‘Aborigines need to be shot, with their bodies hung from trees’,” Ms Weldon said. “There’s nothing gentlemanly about that.”

Calls to change the plaques on statues of historical figures began in 2017, when journalist Stan Grant wrote that the plaque on Sydney’s statue of Captain James Cook contained the “fiction” that he discovered the territory, which “we need no longer maintain”.

In 2020, two Cook statues were vandalised around the time of the international Black Lives Matter protests. Macquarie’s statue has been defaced several times, most recently in April when it was covered in red paint to simulate blood.

There are 25 statues of British colonialists around the city, but none of Indigenous people in public areas. Indigenous rights campaigner Mum Shirl has a statue in her honour at the St Vincent de Paul Church in Redfern but it sits on private land. Ms Weldon has also campaigned for a statue of Indigenous woman Patyegarang, a language teacher to British officer William Dawes and whose transcribed conversations are the only known first-hand accounts of the Gadigal language.

Ms Weldon’s second motion is to expand upon the capacity of the Aboriginal Advisory Panel, established in 2008. This would allow it to set its own priorities and make proactive submissions to the council, rather than serve as just a “sounding board”.

Sydney lord mayor Clover Moore expressed support for the call for a review of statues, but clarified truth-telling was also a part of her motion on Monday night to reaffirm the city’s commitment to the Uluru Statement.

“The Lord Mayor supports (Ms) Weldon’s motion, which builds on the city’s longstanding commitment to recognise our First Peoples in the public domain,” her office said. “Ensuring the representation of these figures is accurate and incorporates contemporary and First Nations perspectives must be a key element of truth-telling.”

Stan Grant gives ignorance a bad name..

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 10:00 am

And the Australian Labor Party, Greens, Some TEALS & Clover Moore support this!

Israel-Hamas war: Live updates as Israel screens unseen bodycam footage of bloody Hamas attack

A room of 200 journalists were sickened after viewing a 43-minute clip of Hamas bodycam footage. Now, they have spoken about the “pure savagery” they witnessed.

Israel screens unseen Hamas bodycam footage of attack

The Israeli military (IDF) has screened previously unseen raw footage recovered from Hamas body cameras, CCTV, dashcams and the mobile phones during the terror group’s ruthless attack on civilians in southern Israel.

The horrifying montage shown to about 200 journalists included a photo of a burnt baby, gunmen shooting the dead bodies of civilians in cars, militants in the process of beheading a body and burnt corpses thrown in a dumpster.

Those in attendance were not permitted to film the video and only a snippet was released for the public, out of respect for the dead.

One reporter who saw the full clip described the scenes as “pure savagery”.

Some of the footage came from Hamas body cameras and videos posted by Hamas militants to social media and later verified by Israel. Some was taken by civilians as they tried to escape and some by first responders.

According to the Associated Press, it showed bodies of people who had been bound.

A room with at least seven bodies reduced to ash. Civilians shot in bedrooms, bathrooms, front yards. Blood so thick it nearly obscured hallway floors.

In another clip, from after the assault, an Israeli woman is seen trying to work out if a partially burned woman’s corpse, with a mutilated head, is that of a family member. The dead woman’s dress is pulled up to her waist and her underpants have been removed. Major Gen. Mickey Edelstein, who briefed reporters after the viewing, said that “we have evidence” of rape but “we cannot share it,” declining to elaborate further.

The IDF also released documents which they said were recovered from dead Hamas members, containing detailed operational planning and instructions for attacking the neighbourhoods and taking hostages.

The 43-minute clip was screened to journalists in Tel Aviv on Monday after being cut together from hundreds of hours of footage collected since the attack, the Israeli military said.

It contained clips of Hamas gunmen cheering with apparent joy as they shot civilians on the road, and later killing parents and children in their homes.

One disturbing sequence, taken from home cameras inside of a kibbutz, showed a father rushing his two young boys into an above ground shelter, seconds before Hamas attackers threw a grenade in, killing the father and wounding the boys.

The boys are covered in blood, and one appears to have lost an eye. They go to their kitchen and cry for their mother.

One of the boys screams, “Why am I alive?” and “Daddy, Daddy.” One says, “I think we are going to die.”

The terrorist who killed their father comes in, and while they weep, calmly raids their fridge, pausing to take a drink of water before walking out again, the BBC reports.

One of the boys cried to his brother: “Daddy is dead, this is not a prank,” and repeated “Why am I alive”? His brother was apparently blinded by the grenade. The military spokesman present was unable to say whether they survived.

In the second segment, captured through a call recording application on a victim’s phone, a different son reaches out to a different father. “Dad, I killed 10 with my bare hands,” the terrorist excitedly tells his father in Gaza. “Their blood is on my hands, let me speak to Mom.”

“Please be proud of me, Dad,” he adds.

Identified by his father as Mahmoud, the terrorist says he is calling his family from the phone of a Jewish woman he’s just murdered, and implores them to check his WhatsApp messages for further documentation.

IDF Major General Mickey Edelstein described the compilation as “a very sad movie”.

The Israeli government said it was revealing horrific footage collected from various sources to the media in order to fight ‘Holocaust-like denials’ of Hamas’s massacres in southern Israel, The Times of Israel reports.

The horrifying footage has left journalists from around the world shocked and “disgusted”.

Images from the screening shared online, shows members of the press watching in horror as they put their hands to their face and cover their mouths.

“Hundreds of journalists and photographers from media companies all over the world attended … what they saw left many of the reporters visibly shocked and disgusted,” media joruanlist Emmanuel Miller wore on X.

Foreign editor of Jewish News and freelance journalist Jotam Confino called the footage “indescribable”.

“If anyone has any doubt about what happened, I truly don’t know what to say anymore,” he wrote on X.

Another journalist, David Patrikarakos, said after the screening: “What I saw today has nothing to do with resistance, it was about wanting to kill Jews.”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 24, 2023 10:00 am
MatrixTransform
October 24, 2023 10:02 am

a morning cry

What set you off JC?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 10:03 am

Meanwhile The Man Who Created This Mess – Obama’s warning as he weighs into the debate

Former US President Barack Obama has weighed into the conflict in the Middle East.

In a written piece, he called for the people of the world to show their “best values, rather than our worst fears, on display”.

He said that while he accepts Israel has a right to defend itself — he warned against going too far, as he said the US did after the September 11 attacks.

“The U.S. government wasn’t interested in heeding the advice of even our allies when it came to the steps we took to protect ourselves against Al Qaeda,” he said.

“Now, after the systematic massacre of Israeli citizens, a massacre that evokes some of the darkest memories of persecution against the Jewish people, it’s understandable that many Israelis have demanded that their government do whatever it takes.”

However, he warned that Israel’s tactics — including blocking food, water and electricity to a captive civilian population — could backfire.

“It threatens not only to worsen a growing humanitarian crisis; it could further harden Palestinian attitudes for generations, erode global support for Israel, play into the hands of Israel’s enemies, and undermine long term efforts to achieve peace and stability in the region,” he warned.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 24, 2023 10:04 am

For those who may not know the Pepperidge farm meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2QVjp4KEjU

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 10:05 am

Chris Minns reverses policy on Treaty:
Will not proceed beyond consultation until after the next election.

Translation into pollie language: we’ve just received the latest polling and it’s a shocker.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 10:08 am

and undermine long term efforts to achieve peace and stability in the region,” he warned.

We came, we saw, he died.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 10:12 am

Speaking of Obama!

The Game Continues – Hamas Releases Two More Elderly Hostages, Keeps Their Husbands

October 23, 2023 – Sundance

If you drop the pretending, it becomes crystal clear to see the hostages are being used as leverage to stop a counteroffensive by the Israeli military.

The Obama/Biden administration alignment with Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), permeates the media narrative with calls to negotiate terms for peace and hostage release.

As we expected, Benjamin Netanyahu is being painted into a corner by the Biden administration who are using the U.S. military presence as a shield to force Israel to follow the approved program of the U.S. government.

Biden, et al, want to protect Hamas while simultaneously calling residents of Gaza “victims” to the interests of Hamas and the PIJ.

With 200+ hostages held by Hamas, and up to another 50 held by PIJ, the slow drip of successful hostage release negotiations becomes the justification to stopping the Israeli War counteroffensive.

The two hostages released, Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, and Nurit Cooper, 79, were taken out of Gaza at the Rafah crossing into Egypt, where they were put into ambulances.

However, their elderly husbands were kept behind.

The two women, along with their husbands, were snatched from their homes in the kibbutz of Nir Oz near the Gaza border during Hamas’ Oct. 7 rampage into southern Israeli communities.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 10:13 am

“The U.S. government wasn’t interested in heeding the advice of even our allies when it came to the steps we took to protect ourselves against Al Qaeda,” he said.

9/11 notwithstanding, Al Qaeda was hardly an existential threat to the US.

It’s a false analogy.

And Israel is not forcing civilians to stay in Gaza City, Hamas is.

Obama is only reinforcing the terrorist narrative with these comments.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 10:16 am

Ordered something from the US on the 8th Oct.
Arrived in Australia on the 11th Oct at the domestic delivery partners depot.
Today, the 24th Oct, package has not moved from their depot.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 24, 2023 10:18 am

I thought about driving to Chullora & knocking on the depot’s door.

rosie
rosie
October 24, 2023 10:21 am
Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 10:22 am

Today, the 24th Oct, package has not moved from their depot.

Have ordered a few little hobby items from Japan recently.

Each time the item has arrived in Australia earlier than estimated, after which it languishes at a local carrier’s depot, sometimes with the barcode being scanned numerous times but the item itself not moving.

If anyone should understand the inefficiency of handling a parcel multiple times it should be a logistics company. Someone isn’t doing their job.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 24, 2023 10:22 am

“Make It Stop” – Israel Shares 43 Minutes of Gruesome Hamas Attacks to Horrified Journalists in Private Screening Not Yet Released to Public – Includes Young Children Burned and Pregnant Women Cut Open

In one video, a man rolls around on the ground, bleeding from his stomach, as a Hamas terrorist tries in vain to chop his head off with farming equipment. In another clip, an Israeli woman is trying to determine if a partially burned corpse with a mutilated head is that of a family member.

The dead woman’s dress was pulled up to her waist with her underpants removed. She had been raped and torured by the medieval savages before being set ablaze.

In yet another video, a 19-year-old female Israeli soldier is seen wearing bloody sweatpants while being dragged out of the trunk of a car to a chorus of sickening cheers. One man yells in English, “You’re in Gaza!”

A male soldier is pulled from a car, tossed to the ground, and then beaten by a bloodthirsty Palestinian crowd.

Joel Pollak of Breitbart News then describes perhaps the most horrifying video of all: one child had been blinded by the Hamas savages and was covered in his father’s blood after they deliberately targeted his family:

A terrorist peers over the fence and lobs a grenade into the shelter. It bounces off the back wall and explodes.

The father’s body falls forward. A boy appears, covered in his father’s blood, looking at his father.

We see the boy on the couch, now doubled over on the rug. “Why am I alive?” he wails.

He then looks at the brother in the chair. There is a red, black space where his eye used to be. He asks if his brother can see out of that eye. He says that he cannot. The other brother asks again. Are you joking? He repeats that he cannot see.

Pollak also reported he heard fellow journalists whisper “make it stop” as the presentation on Hamas’ atrocities continued.

The IDF also revealed that a pregnant woman was not only killed by Hamas savages, but they also cut her unborn child out her belly and beheaded it.

Savages and we have Labor Politicians, Greens, Some TEALS & Clover Moore not Calling Hamas/and then beaten by a bloodthirsty Palestinian crowd. out.

bons
bons
October 24, 2023 10:25 am

What is Albanese on about?

I only had one single Mum. It didn’t make me a victim or a communist clown.

JC
JC
October 24, 2023 10:26 am

MatrixTransform
Oct 24, 2023 10:02 AM
a morning cry

What set you off JC?

Replying to your delusions. You’re the worst troll here.

Nothing to add
Trolling at night
Trolling in the morning (now)
Tugging on a target’s chain

And you’re now playing the virginal princess trying to gather sympathy that you’re now somehow a victim.

Someone recently called you an intelligence insulter. So right.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 10:28 am

But no mean tweets.

Seventh U.S. Embassy Evacuated Under Biden’s Watch While He Vacations (23 Oct)

The “vacations” are becoming more and more frequent too.

bons
bons
October 24, 2023 10:33 am

Whenever I hear the false narrative of the 12 ‘Aussies’ ‘stranded’ in Gaza I become very agitated thinking of Scummo stranding thousands of non-terrorist Aussies overseas to prop up his COVID crime. Unless they were rich of course.

May his skin become covered in pustules, his teeth rot, and rivers of puss flow from his orifices.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 24, 2023 10:37 am

Well Hawke was right calling the alp left a canker. The whole Australian left is and all they do is import shite from overseas – ‘truth’ telling from south Africa, ‘first nations’ and multiculturalism from Canada. Dead souls and evil.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 10:38 am

Whenever I hear the false narrative of the 12 ‘Aussies’ ‘stranded’ in Gaza I become very agitated thinking of Scummo stranding thousands of non-terrorist Aussies overseas to prop up his COVID crime. Unless they were rich of course.

Or American A-listers wanting to sit out a miserable northern winter in Byron Bay.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 24, 2023 10:41 am

Elbow and the in-voice clownshoes brigade need some Canadian instruction.

https://youtu.be/9RMUMy7mNR0

Nice little, and timely piece from Jordan Petersen.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 24, 2023 10:42 am

Bons if Luigi wasn’t a Liarbor Trot nobody would even talk to him. Stick an icepick in him.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 24, 2023 10:45 am
Miltonf
Miltonf
October 24, 2023 10:50 am

Does Howard ever reflect on the damage he’s done by bringing Trumble in I wonder.

calli
calli
October 24, 2023 10:50 am

Haha, geography is hard.

CNN, the Marcus Brodie of international news.

calli
calli
October 24, 2023 10:53 am

Just to refresh memories. 😀

Dot
Dot
October 24, 2023 10:53 am

StrawPoll is very good.

Roger
Roger
October 24, 2023 10:54 am

Does Howard ever reflect on the damage he’s done by bringing Trumble in I wonder.

In an interview a year or so ago he said he had no regrets.

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