Open Thread – Weekend 11 Nov 2023


The Poppy Field near Argenteuil, Claude Monet, 1873

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H B Bear
H B Bear
November 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Kids die in accidents. When we’re growing up a neighbour lost a toddler to electrocution while they were left having a bath in a laundry trough. Something we probably all did as kids.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Naturally none of those Arab leaders offering to take in Palestinians. They are not stupid as they know there are Western countries that will do so. Thereby causing more welfare recipients and unrest in their own countries.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 12:28 pm

Israel-Hamas war: In Balmy Tel Aviv, nervous civilians pack rifles for a trip to the bakery

By MATTHEW CAMPBELL
The Times
11:46AM November 12, 2023
No Comments

Early-morning joggers plod along the seaside promenade. A man arranges plastic loungers in rows, a game of beach volleyball is under way – and the first bathers are venturing into the limpid shallows.

On the surface all looks normal in sunny Tel Aviv, Israel’s commercial and cultural capital, whose balmy weather, pristine beaches and bustling restaurants are usually a Mediterranean tourism magnet. Now, though, the advertising blurb seems out of date. A distant rumble wafts across the sea, the thud of artillery in a war just over 65 kilometres away in the Gaza Strip. Thousands of people, many of them children, are reported to have been killed in the assault on Gaza, which followed the slaughter by Hamas fighters last month of 1,200 of Israel’s citizens – mostly civilians – in the most savage attack in its history.

One month on, there is not a tourist to be seen in Tel Aviv. Images of some of the 241 kidnapped Israelis, including women and children, are plastered on walls – as well as on beach lampposts.

“It makes me so sad to think of them, frightened, suffering,” said Leah Feldman, a teacher in a tracksuit and T-shirt drinking a cappuccino at a beachside cafe. “I hope we can negotiate their release.” As I paid for my coffee a waitress said: “I’m so glad to hear English being spoken. It makes me think it’s not the end of the world.” In a bakery nearby, a man in sneakers, shorts and a tank top carried an assault rifle over his shoulder as he paid with one hand for a croissant while holding his Bichon Frise’s lead with the other.

Men and women wielding weapons in civilian clothes have become a common sight, even in bars.

“Us army reservists are allowed to carry our guns because of the situation,” said Mikhail Mereryakov, 40, a lorry driver carrying a rifle as he walked along a street in shorts and flipflops with his wife and two children. “We need more people carrying weapons to keep us and our families safe.”

The accompanying photo is of yummy mummy, babe on hip, M-16 slung over other shoulder…

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 12, 2023 12:29 pm

Sancho Panzer
Nov 12, 2023 10:56 AM
Grifting of the mother grief. Sick.

She’s rationalizing.
It wasn’t her responsibility.
It wasn’t her fault.
If the Gummint had funded a proper LSLSA* her daughter would still be alive, you see.
She has to believe this rather than confront her own negligence.
I just don’t get why SLSA is getting involved.

Are the “professional” lifeguards funded by local councils part of SLSA? I thought that they are a different group, trying to boost numbers and dollars?

Zatara
Zatara
November 12, 2023 12:29 pm

American Jews panic-buying firearms

Ironic. American Jews in general vote a straight Democrat ticket and would thus have considered ownership of a firearm absolutely abhorrent a mere month ago.

Let’s see how long their sudden grasp on reality lasts this time.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 12, 2023 12:31 pm

Where is the king? Where is his heir?

In 1966 there was a terrible tragedy at a coal mine in Wales in the village of Aberfan when 116 children and 28 adults died when the slag from the mine enveloped the village school.

Nothing was heard from the Queen, which caused much consternation among the people. Finally the Queen and Prince Philip journeyed to the village to stand in unity with the grieving families and offer their sympathies. Monarchs can be brought to make gestures but it’s better if the gesture is made before the outcry. Let’s hope the King and Prince William are right now considering their next movements.

Crossie
Crossie
November 12, 2023 12:31 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Nov 12, 2023 11:25 AM
Dr Faustus Nov 12, 2023 10:39 AM
What the minority dickheads should not have done is throw bottles and barriers around like pissed idiots.

Were they real football hooligans or the Grampians variety?

Crossie
Crossie
November 12, 2023 12:38 pm

That mad AG in NY who is going for Trump could usefully transfer her attention to pension funds and their valuations.

But she won’t, because the pension funds are run by leftards.

She will as soon as the money runs out. None of these people have a principle between them, it’s all politics and expediency.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 12, 2023 12:43 pm

US President Joe Biden has marked Veterans Day by announcing increased healthcare benefits for veterans.

It’s amazing the way Trump can run the country from his golf club.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 12, 2023 12:45 pm

Several hundred, apparently less than a thousand, Democratic Football Lads, West Ham supporters, and EDL members turn up, pissed, at the

Told you. They were counting on this reaction !

cohenite
November 12, 2023 12:47 pm

After the disappointing critique of my posting Fig 7.3 from AR4 to prove humans are only responsible for a small % of CO2 and therefore cannot be responsible for the increase in atmospheric CO2, thus disproving man made climate change I thought I’d put up Ed Berry’s latest about this point:

https://edberry.com/abstract-accepted-by-ams-for-january-2024/

This is one of the best ways to attack the alarmists.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 12:48 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDcDNZCxh0

All Cultures are not equal. Gad Saad

But dare to point it out on this blog and be the butt of the virtuous signallers forever?…

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 12, 2023 12:48 pm

Are the “professional” lifeguards funded by local councils part of SLSA?

No. Typically they are funded by the LGA and have actual authority under bylaws and delegated legislation. SLSA is the parent body of the yellow and red volunteers and suffers from all the foibles of any nonprofit. Read into that whatever you like.

Anders
Anders
November 12, 2023 12:50 pm

Kids die in accidents. When we’re growing up a neighbour lost a toddler to electrocution while they were left having a bath in a laundry trough. Something we probably all did as kids.

A few times now around the place I’ve seen young kids on school excursions, all of them made to wear hi-vis, and when they have to walk down the street back to school they’re all chained together in a line. Why don’t they wrap them in bubble-wrap and make them wear crash helmets too?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 12, 2023 12:50 pm

Where is the king? Where is his heir? Ah yes, they are concerned with the weather.

Yep.

Prince William announces destination of next Earthshot Prize awards will be China (11 Nov)

The Prince of Wales hopes taking a different environmental approach will spur China’s President Xi Jinping to take action on climate concerns.

Completely clueless. Meanwhile his dad is going to berate his hosts at the Climapalooza in Dubai on December 1, by saying ebil Gaia-hated oil is ebil. Memo to House of Windsor ladies: stick with daughters and don’t have sons, none of them are sane.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 12, 2023 12:54 pm

Megan
Nov 12, 2023 11:38 AM

Had a kid I treated who near drowned back at the Loop.
Dad and son were play wrestling and she was obscured behind them for about 10 seconds, went under and was fairly quickly pulled out blue with water in the lungs.

Luckily no proper resus needed but still blue and needed lungs cleared when she got brough to the clinic.

About 5 years old.

So it can happen quick, and, if not observed the time taken to find them in the water may be fatal.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 12, 2023 12:55 pm

Anders – just the way we deal with risk now. A small cost is imposed on everybody to prevent a large cost on a few. Just like milk pricing.

Rosie
Rosie
November 12, 2023 12:56 pm

Nothing was heard from the Queen, which caused much consternation among the people.

Not correct.
Prince Phillip was there the next day, as was Lord Snowdon.
article about the Queen’s decision not to immediately visit Aberfan

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 12:59 pm

Dot:

Nov 12, 2023 8:05 AM
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.
https://jpfo.org/
Never again!
America’s most aggressive civil rights organisation
LOL! My kind of people.

They don’t ship to Australia unfortunately.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 1:01 pm

Just come in & noted Old Ozzie’s link to the photographs which document the pre-civilisation of the Hamas invaders of 7/10. Thank you Ozzie – I agree that everyone must see them. You need to understand the depth of evil in your enemy.

I struggle terribly with it. Something dies within when you see what “human beings” are capable of.

I have always loved Rilke’s lovely, mystical description of “why we are here” viz. “So that God can know himself in you.” But 7/10 has made me question that very whimsical and lovely notion.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:15 pm

Zatara, what are your thoughts on Travis Hunter?

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 1:16 pm

Indolent:
The history of the Transgender movement as a means of toppling the Christian Creationism belief. “God got it wrong, but we can fix that.”
What arrogance.

cohenite
November 12, 2023 1:16 pm

Rosie
Nov 12, 2023 1:11 PM
while hamas apologists pretend their 11 November March was peace and light, the Metropolitan police have pictures of people they would like to speak to, good luck with the hamas complainers though

The white women = demons.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 12, 2023 1:18 pm

Rosie
Nov 12, 2023 1:02 PM
hamas apologists pretending that every crappy home made rocket that scurrying hamas terrorists hastily launch makes it to Israel.

How much of the “indiscriminate” bombing that FatBoyFascist whines about is comprised of dud Hamarse rockets?

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 1:20 pm

Richardson Post reports that Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland & Denmark have apparently made pact to deport illegal Muzzies.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:20 pm

The “Big Men” in PNG can not wait for this NRL team.
Same with the NRL.
A huge ticket clipping exercise.
$60mill a year…FFS.
The Dolphins were up & running for less than $20mill per year.

Rosie
Rosie
November 12, 2023 1:21 pm

Glen Greenwald is very disappointing on the subject of Gaza.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:23 pm

Glen Greenwald is very disappointing on the subject of Gaza.

Very.
As are almost all of the independent journos.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 1:25 pm

Makka
Nov 12, 2023 9:18 AM

But here’s the difference, they did it with glee.

If you have ever seen an emotional Arab, I mean really emotional, manic and deranged, in an argument or altercation, you can get some idea of what this must have looked like. It’s as if they have been possessed. In this case on Oct 7th, possessed with epic hatred and Islam- the worst possible combination. They ceased being human and became some kind of crazed animals. The IDF must not stop yet, while one of them is breathing.

They were possessed, Makka.
October 7th was a glimpse into Satans realm.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 12, 2023 1:26 pm

there was a bloke who ran over his own toddler while reversing along his driveway. Following the tragedy he called for all driveways to be fenced

Hmm. Also from the noos:

A young woman is suffering serious facial injuries after she was attacked by a shark while diving with her partner at a busy beach south of Adelaide.

Bridgette O’Shannessy, 32, was bitten in the face by the shark at Port Noarlunga on Friday while diving with her partner

Ban faces now!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 1:27 pm

How much of the “indiscriminate” bombing that FatBoyFascist whines about is comprised of dud Hamarse rockets?

The uncharitable could ask that question, yes.

Gilas
Gilas
November 12, 2023 1:27 pm

ALX

@alx

Every year at exactly 11:11am on Veterans Day, the sun shines exactly through the 5 ovals at Anthem Veterans Memorial in Arizona, lighting up the United States Seal on the ground.

Since Earth travels around the Sun on a tilt, it only perfectly lines up at this time every year.

https://x.com/alx/status/1723422367546802603?s=20

Wrong!
What is being described is a gnomon similar to the one in St Sulpice in Paris.
Because of the various factors determining the Earth’s orbit around the Sun: elliptic motion and eccentricity, axial tilt, ecliptic obliquity etc.. the only times gnomons are almost accurate along a meridian are during both equinoxes and solstices. Corrections on sundial plates are otherwise required.

This was known and applied to various sundials since the 1700s.

For the mathematically minded, the Equation of Time describes the sinusoidal relation between apparent solar time and mean solar time.

Conclusion: the Arizona gnomon will align sunlight at a different position at 11:11 am on 11 November (and most other times, for most of the year), in approximately 4-year cycles.
But.. yeah.. let’s all believe what makes us feel good..

bespoke
bespoke
November 12, 2023 1:27 pm

ABOARD THE BRP CABRA (AP) — As a U.S. Navy surveillance plane flew in circles, keeping a close watch, dozens of Chinese coast guard and accompanying ships chased and encircled Philippine vessels in the latest confrontation in one of the most dangerous flashpoints in the South China Sea.

HT: instapundit

johanna
johanna
November 12, 2023 1:29 pm

Erm – my saved name etc has disappeared for no apparent reason, so I suppose this will go into moderation.

Late entry into the observance of 11/11.

I happened to be entering Dan Murphy’s at the time. At first, I wondered if I had wandered into a science fiction scenario, because staff and customers were all standing perfectly still and silent, like they were frozen in time and space. The usual music was turned off. It was weird.

Then I realised what it was, and joined in.

Not a shadow of dissent, everybody shared the moments of remembering those who sacrificed for us long ago.

The old Australia is not dead, whatever the eternal pessimists here say.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:30 pm

Over the past 24 hours Aaron Mate has retweeted Miranda Devine calling her a paid Israeli shill, then retweeted her work on the Ukrainian big big who has all but admitted the Nord Stream was their work (the soft truth before it comes out the US were the architects of it).

Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 1:30 pm

Conclusion: the Arizona gnomon will align sunlight at a different position at 11:11 am on 11 November (and most other times, for most of the year), in approximately 4-year cycles.

So… the High Priest’s staff in the model town, after all the trouble Indy went to…
actually pointed out Pandora’s Container.

C.L.
C.L.
November 12, 2023 1:30 pm

I’m starting to wonder whether – a few (OK, a lot of) extravagant emotional excesses aside – Prince Harry was hard done by for getting off the boat. Especially, I mean, by the Bill and Kate lovers.

Whenever I see William now – at a flower show, ‘talking’ to people at the rope-line or hunkering down on a plastic chair somewhere to discuss the mental health of Jamaican-born lesbian dwarfs or whatever – it all seems pathetic, womanish and beneath dignity for a man of his age.

Harry is pretty ratty around the edges but he’s a flawed, real debacle – like most people.

Anyhoo…

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 12, 2023 1:30 pm

Only one head at a time can wear a crown. It is the Monarch to whom the country looks in times of catastrophe or need, despite others, including members of the Royal Family, being commissioned to act as their representative.

Despite the magnitude of the calamity, Queen Elizabeth II at first refused to visit the village, sparking criticism in the press and questions about why she wouldn’t go. Finally, after sending her husband, Prince Philip, in her place for a formal visit, she came to Aberfan eight days after the disaster to survey the damage and speak with survivors. Nearly four decades later, in 2002, the queen said that not visiting Aberfan immediately after the disaster was “her biggest regret.”

https://www.history.com/news/elizabeth-ii-aberfan-mine-disaster-wales

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Aberfan%3A+Queen%27s+%27biggest+regret%27.-a082244332

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 12, 2023 1:31 pm

The Palis, once again sending their best (the NT News):

The leading Palestinian spokesman in Australia is a criminal with convictions for kidnap, violence and threatening behaviour, it can be revealed.

Is that aspirationally, or actually?

Nasser Mashni was 22 years old when he chased a child, beat him with a wooden axe handle, shoved him into the boot of his car and drove him to an abandoned paddock where he threatened to break his legs.

Oh.

Mr Mashni received 23 months in prison after pleading guilty to false imprisonment, intentionally or recklessly causing injury and one count of threatening to inflict serious injury in June 1992.

Ah.

Mr Mashni is the president of the Australian Palestinian Advocacy Network but has sparked a lot of controversy in recent times.

He praised a terrorist, who plotted suicide bombings in Israel, as a hero and argued that not all of Hamas should be categorised as a terrorist organisation.

He also liked on social media several posts justifying the Hamas paragliding terrorist attacks that saw 1400 Israelis killed last month, including one post that stated it was “a logical response”.

Ahhhhh. Got it.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 1:32 pm

Something to amuse the whale watchers vs the ecocrucifixers.
Exploding whale.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 12, 2023 1:34 pm

AP & Reuters middle east journo’s might be in a spot of bother, Israelis have made a promise to hunt them down, via ace of spades…

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=406975

Of course the apologists are already trying defend their actions and will be the first to squeal when said photographers start meeting with very unfortunate accidents.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:34 pm

Jimmy Dore.
Aaron Mate.
Max Blumenthal.
Glenn Greenwald.
Lee Fung.

All decent journos.
Until it comes to Israel.
Then they lose their freaking minds.

Rosie
Rosie
November 12, 2023 1:35 pm
Megan
Megan
November 12, 2023 1:35 pm

So it can happen quick, and, if not observed the time taken to find them in the water may be fatal.

Absolutely. Fortunately I taught all my kids basic water skills so when I finally dragged my attention back to the moment and looked down, my 18mo was looking up at me with mouth clamped firmly shut, cheeks puffed out and huge eyes with a WTF mum? look in them, while desperately flapping her arms

I learned a valuable lesson that afternoon and I was a fully qualified swimming teacher at the time. Grateful it was not at my poor child’s expense.

cohenite
November 12, 2023 1:36 pm

For those interested this POS, tony vidray, is being fiercely anti Israel right now on 2sm and agreeing with various pro-palli shits ringing in. He won’t take my call so if anyone wants to ring the bastard do so on 131269

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 12, 2023 1:37 pm

Eye opening to say the least. This video is off the scale!

Jeepers.

—-

Bald and Bankrupt:

Premiered 9 hours ago

The Darien Gap known as the world’s most dangerous jungle. I had heard of the Darien many years ago through National Geographic and it had both fascinated and intimidated me. I knew one day I would have to visit…

When the word Darien started appearing in the news in recent years by way of the migrant crises I decided that now was the time to explore it for myself. And so myself and my good friend @TimmyKarter headed north from Medellin in search of a way across the infamous jungle, avoiding cartel and bandits, injury and tropical diseases, on an adventure with migrants from all over the world where national laws don’t apply. Only the laws of the jungle.

Join us as we enter…the Darien.

I Crossed The World’s Deadliest Jungle: Darien Gap

Rosie
Rosie
November 12, 2023 1:37 pm

The Queen delayed her visit because she didn’t want to distract from rescue efforts.
There is no evidence of callous indifference to the suffering of working class people, as implied.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 1:39 pm

Ban faces now!

Better still, ban busy beaches.

And sea water!

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 1:43 pm

Do at Cat’s subscribe to the Atlantic?
They have a major piece on Peter Thiel how he’s planning in sitting out the next election cycle.
I don’t want to have to give that mole any money to read it.

cohenite
November 12, 2023 1:43 pm

Tony vidray, leftie POS, also had a shot at Tommy Robinson, calling him a far right fanatic and a criminal for confronting the poor palli protestors in London.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 12, 2023 1:44 pm

Good to see the grifting remain at eleventy from Trusted Bloggers – a quick meander through a site (Zeeee Media) oft-quoted and referenced by nuffers here and elsewhere:

UN, R*******S, ANTICHRIST & ISRAEL: WHAT CHRISTIANS NEED TO KNOW

And:

TODD CALLENDER – PROOF THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE HACKING HUMANS

And, to remove all doubt:

WWZEEE FT. MARTIN ARMSTRONG – ISRAEL FALSE FLAG & WW3

How these people look at themselves in the mirror, knowing that they are fleecing idiots escapes me. It’s not difficult to grift from gullible nuffers.

They may as well be beating up nannas on the street.

*Apologies Doverlord – that’s the R word above.

johanna
johanna
November 12, 2023 1:47 pm

Indolent
Nov 12, 2023 8:16 AM

Douglas Murray SLAMS Policing of Protests

I agree with what he is saying, but the slightly bored, supercilious, Oxbridge delivery is not helping the cause.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 12, 2023 1:47 pm

Not watched any but can tell by the titles that Jimmy Dore not a supporter of Israel.

He did so well regarding vaccines
and mandates etc.

Zatara
Zatara
November 12, 2023 1:47 pm

FTB

IMO Hunter has excellent ball skills, at least at the High school/college level, but makes poor life choices. His last second decision to abandon his commitment to FSU and the manner in which he did it lost him much respect in the sport/industry and frankly will be a consideration in any eventual profession team draft evaluation of him.

I don’t wish him ill but I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if he turns out to be a cautionary tale of unfulfilled potential, a what could have been story.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 1:50 pm

They may as well be beating up nannas on the street.

Oi! That’s the VikPol job!

johanna
johanna
November 12, 2023 1:52 pm

Barking Toad
Nov 12, 2023 1:39 PM

Ban faces now!

Better still, ban busy beaches.

And sea water!

You’re a wimp, Toad.

What needs to be banned is water. All of it. Full stop.

No more drownings, no more tsunamis, no more floods.

All it requires is an Act of Parliament. 🙂

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 1:54 pm

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has called on Israel to stop ‘the attacking of hospitals’ while declaring that how the Jewish homeland defended itself was a matter of key concern.

The communist lesbian relies on its Marxist upbringing.

Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 1:55 pm

Ban dihydrogen monoxide!

Look, that’s all very well for domestic safety but we need it for industry. Perhaps we could have a special Government Department that licences and permits Industry to protect jobs that use this dangerous chemical, while banning it for domestic users?

Tom
Tom
November 12, 2023 1:56 pm

All decent journos.
Until it comes to Israel.
Then they lose their freaking minds.

I like Glenn Greenwald because he is a journalist who thinks rationally most of the time and that determines what stories he’s interested in and how he writes them.

But ultimately he a leftist and leftism is groupthink that rejects rational thought in favour of reciting groupthink slogans.

In its 21st century iteration, leftism is also a death cult that aligns itself with barbaric terrorists and barbaric terrorism.

Greenwald and his work can’t be respected until he renounces the death cult he continues to align himself with.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 12, 2023 1:57 pm

The depiction of the subject’s demeanour, like the putting of words into their mouth, is one of the tools used by the media to report on a situation.

Indolent
Indolent
November 12, 2023 1:59 pm

No wonder they’ll go to any lengths to keep him out of the White House.

Trump’s new video focuses on the october 7th massacre

Indolent
Indolent
November 12, 2023 2:02 pm

Someone above said that this Pope was like Biden, not actually in charge. I don’t know whether this is the case but he is definitely like Biden in another way – rotten to the core from day one.

Pope’s removal of Bishop Strickland draws huge Catholic outrage, global media coverage

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 12, 2023 2:03 pm

Made a big mistake.

Better half was doing the grocery shopping so I thought I would look in the cheapie shop next door.

Saw some very nice Christmas gift envelopes for putting cash in for the grandkids. $3 for 4. Should have just bought them but made the fatal mistake of waiting for the wife to choose which pack to get.

So wife goes into the cheapie shop with me. Even worse she has the trolley from the supermarket.

My $3 purchase becomes $65 ! So now we have a nice little beware of troublesome elf’s sign, cheap smelly candles, two colourful Christmas hats, plastic flowers and other Xmas decorations, a happy Christmas sign, and Christmas cards at 25c each. Plus the $3 gift envelopes.

Note to self. Stay away from Costco.

Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 2:03 pm

It was a tragic laps of judgement

Also an e, cringe.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 12, 2023 2:03 pm

Good Lord. Daily Telegraph:

Teal Independent Kylea Tink has been accused of “diverting” attention away from Remembrance Day and honouring World War I veterans after she spruiked her passion for sustainability on a wreath at a local war memorial.

Ms Tink visited the Lane Cove war memorial on Saturday and placed a wreath along with dozens of others to mark Remembrance Day.

But close up shots of her wreath show she signed it “Kylea Tink Supporting Sustainability”.

Australian Peacekeeper and Peacemaker Veterans Association NSW/ ACT President, Bruce Relph said he had “no tolerance” for Ms Tink’s actions.

“There should be no other agenda. There is zero tolerance from us. It’s inappropriate, it’s one day of the year. It should not be politicised,” he said.

“People fell for their country and to make it about anything other than the fallen or those who had injuries from their service.. that’s what it’s all about.”

Vietnam Veterans Association spokesman Graham Walker said his organisation does not get involved in politics but urged others to not use the occasion for political reasons.

“We do not get involved in political issues that are not directly related to veterans welfare,” he said.

“We believe that Remembrance Day should not be used for political purposes.”

Former NSW Veterans Minister and veteran David Elliott echoed the comments.

“It’s disappointing to see anyone unnecessarily divert attention away from the importance of Remembrance Day.”

On her Remembrance Day post, Ms Tink wrote: “In the silence of remembrance, we draw strength from the heroes who faced the darkness of war. And for me personally I think of those among my family & friends who have served & those serving still. They remind me that there is always a purpose greater than our singularity.”

Ms Tink has been contacted for a comment.

Of course to which she say “I am sorry if people took offence to my wreath.” Maybe don’t do it in the first place darling.

Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 2:04 pm

Glen Greenwald is very disappointing on the subject of Gaza.

Muh redpills. A lot of people who claim to be “red-pilled” are anti-Semitic idiots.

Crossie
Crossie
November 12, 2023 2:04 pm

C.L.
Nov 12, 2023 1:30 PM
I’m starting to wonder whether – a few (OK, a lot of) extravagant emotional excesses aside – Prince Harry was hard done by for getting off the boat. Especially, I mean, by the Bill and Kate lovers.
Whenever I see William now – at a flower show, ‘talking’ to people at the rope-line or hunkering down on a plastic chair somewhere to discuss the mental health of Jamaican-born lesbian dwarfs or whatever – it all seems pathetic, womanish and beneath dignity for a man of his age.

No, Harry was not hardly done by, he is even more woke as is Meghan. Their problem is that they want to make money out of it as well.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 2:05 pm

Old Ozzie:

The video of barbarity and carnage that will haunt me forever: MAUREEN CALLAHAN’s searing account of the 10/7 Hamas terror footage – and her demand: why WON’T the president tell us if he’s seen it or not?

What is so special about the journos that they have seen the evidence and we have not?
I want the evidence shown world wide* so we can force the Hummous activists what they are supporting.
* I accept the words of Lizzie that the victims faces be pixilated if requested by relatives – although I think that act takes away the victims identity and humanity. They are something that is rare today – genuine victims.
I also state that I would prefer the Australian Government adopt a policy of “Kidnapped citizens be presumed to be dead, or held captive in conditions that make death a release.”

bespoke
bespoke
November 12, 2023 2:07 pm

My $3 purchase becomes $65 ! So now we have a nice little beware of troublesome elf’s sign, cheap smelly candles, two colourful Christmas hats, plastic flowers and other Xmas decorations, a happy Christmas sign, and Christmas cards at 25c each. Plus the $3 gift envelopes.

Chuckle.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 12, 2023 2:09 pm

Piers Akerman:

More than 240 hostages are still being held by Hamas in unimaginable conditions within the labyrinth of tunnels under what remains of Gaza.

Their merciless captors couldn’t care less whether they live or die, any more than they care whether civilians remaining in the Hamas-controlled territory survive. Hamas, the leaders of which are living the high life in Qatar, Lebanon, and other capitals in the region, welcomes images of dead and wounded knowing they garner support from gormless Westerners and help turn opinion against Israel.

Israel is fighting to free the hostages and for an end to Hamas, which barbarously murdered 1200 people. To any rational person the end of this terrorist gang and the safe return of the kidnapped would be legitimate goals but apparently not to some demented radical clerics in the western suburbs of Sydney, who are exhorting their deranged followers to embrace jihad and martyrdom.

Not all Muslims are followers of this death cult but all members of the death cult are Muslim. It certainly wasn’t multiculturalism that attracted millions from Europe and now and ever-increasingly Asia to settle here. It was the hope that Australia would provide security and liberty for them and their children that lured them.

Italians and Greeks, who endured racial slurs for a generation, and the Vietnamese, who despite the open hostility from Labor prime minister Gough Whitlam and elements of the Labor Party, survived and thrived to become valuable citizens. But there are those – almost exclusively from theMiddle East – who have rejected values all other migrants have embraced, whilst using our laws to successfully fight against our way of life.

In June 2022, the High Court restored the Australian citizenship of Turkish citizen Delil Alexander, who was assessed as having joined Islamic State. The court found powers to strip citizenship gave the minister a role in adjudging and punishing criminal guiltthat should be reserved for courts.

On Wednesday, the High Court overturned a previous ruling that would have kept in jail an illegal Rohingya refugee, who can be known only as NZYQ, convicted of raping a 10-year-old boy. NZYQ must be released on the grounds his indefinite immigration detention was unlawful but no other nation wants him.

Civil rights lawyers said the ruling would force the release of 92 other non-citizens being held in detention who cannot be deported to their home countries. The previous week, the High Court ruled against the stripping of convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika’s Australian citizenship, which means he could be released in the next eight weeks.

We are now stuck with a pedophile and a terrorist – and we don’t know what views are held by the others now to be released because of these precedents. No mention of the civil rights of Australians who want to live lives free of terror or children free from the threat of pedophiles.

Even the most sheltered Australians may be aware that a mob of pro-Palestinian protesters, after the October 7 atrocity, chanted “Gas the Jews” and that a group of men in Melbourne were reported saying they were “on the hunt to kill Jews”, and perhaps realise that a peaceable community within our society is under attack. Despite this, there are those who tear down of posters showing pictures of the missing, giving their tacit support to the most evil people on the planet.

They must have forgotten we had our own terrorist tragedy almost exactly nine years ago, when Iranian-born Man Haron Monis took hostages at the Lindt Café in Martin Place, sparking a 17-hour siege that resulted in the death of Monis and two of his captives. Police in NSW and Victoria have let vile anti-Semites run their own agenda. Recent decisions by federal, state governments and High Court, would suggest they have fatally short memories.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 2:13 pm

Bourne 1879

Note to self. Stay away from Costco.

Mate, you should know better.

Never, ever go shopping with the missus.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 2:14 pm

Bourne:

Adam Bandt, Faruqi, etc should watch the Hamas footage so they can understand who they support.

They’d say:
“The Joos had it coming.”
“They asked for it.”
“But Palestine…”
“It’s all CGI/acted out.”

Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 2:17 pm

I truly do not understand economics anymore. I don’t understand why the collapse hasn’t happened.

Hundreds of thousands more loans will flip to P&I next year.
Interest rates have gone up from 2% to around 7%; those going from 2% IO to 7% P&I would pay about 4.7 times more than they did in late 2021 for their mortgage.
20% quarterly electricity bill increases.
Air B&Bs being rented out daily at weekly rates or better (often to government employees for “work”).
The private sector pays less than the public sector (You don’t know what it’s like out there, I’ve worked in the private sector, they expect results).
Fuel has been up the better of 40% in the last 21 months.
Where is the money coming from to pay for this?
Government debt for all levels combined last time I checked was 63% of GDP.
Commonwealth bond rates have moved up to around 5% for nearly all maturities.
How can people just keep on paying their mortgage?
There are only so many second cars to flog off, extra hours in a week that can be worked or $$$ left in the bank of Mum and Dad.

Paying a mortgage or running a retail or manufacturing business right now must be absolutely awful.

It’s incredible this nuclear-powered rain bomb of economic vomit is being held together by the rather frayed and desiccated 100-mile-per-hour tape.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
November 12, 2023 2:19 pm

One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like.

– George Carlin

Crossie
Crossie
November 12, 2023 2:20 pm

feelthebern
Nov 12, 2023 1:43 PM
Do at Cat’s subscribe to the Atlantic?
They have a major piece on Peter Thiel how he’s planning in sitting out the next election cycle.

I am totally unimpressed with Thiel, I get the impression that he is not into anything that requires commitment.

dopey
dopey
November 12, 2023 2:27 pm

Peter Dutton on Caulfield protests…” these scenes have no place in our country. ” Sorry Pete but it looks like they do.

Arky
November 12, 2023 2:27 pm

How can people just keep on paying their mortgage?

..
Jobs market is the last shoe to drop every time.
Once that goes…
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 2:27 pm

Winston Smith
Nov 12, 2023 1:25 PM

Makka
Nov 12, 2023 9:18 AM

But here’s the difference, they did it with glee.

If you have ever seen an emotional Arab, I mean really emotional, manic and deranged, in an argument or altercation, you can get some idea of what this must have looked like. It’s as if they have been possessed. In this case on Oct 7th, possessed with epic hatred and Islam- the worst possible combination. They ceased being human and became some kind of crazed animals. The IDF must not stop yet, while one of them is breathing.

They were possessed, Makka.
October 7th was a glimpse into Satans realm.

Winston & Makka,

A Re-Read of this article is recommended – the following is some of that article

Not so innocent civilians

Would Guterres ever assert that the death of Gaza civilians past and future also does not “happen in a vacuum”? Hardly.

There is no more unctuous lament being heard today across the world than that of the fate of the so-called “innocent civilians” of Gaza.

Indeed, those lamenting the loudest – including some members of the United States Congress and world leaders – were the most inaudible regarding the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas (including some of the same civilians”) against the Jewish visitors and residents of the Gaza-area communities.

The horrific murder, torture, molestation, and kidnapping of women, young and old, infants, children, men of all ages, are mentioned in passing, if at all, and occasionally accompanied by some measure of rationalization such as offered by the UN Secretary-General.

Antonio Guterres suggested that Hamas’ Nazi-like behavior did not “happen in a vacuum.”

Would he ever assert that the death of Gaza civilians past and future also does not “happen in a vacuum”? Hardly.

It is not merely that the smarmy politicians, academics, college students, BLM activists and assorted hypocrites and Jew haters refuse to distinguish between the intentional homicide of non-combatants and collateral damage caused while attacking legitimate military targets.

It is that their passionate Jew hatred, irrational to the core, engenders in them the notion that all Jews, everywhere, are targets, and when Jews are assaulted and brutalized, we had it coming.

They need never answer the question, why. It is doubtful they ever ask it; it is taken for granted.

Much of the world grudgingly concedes that Israel has the right of self-defense, as long as Israel does not exercise it too strenuously.

But there is a good part of what used to be called civilization that does not even grant that right.

Murdering Jews is always justified. As Becket Adams wrote last week in National Review, many people – journalists and politicians – were “disappointed” when it turned out that Israel did not bomb a Gazan hospital.

Similarly, it violates some macabre and pathological conception of theirs when Jews defend themselves and take the war to the enemy.

To their thinking, Jews should die, and they should be quiet about it as well.

Hence the duplicitous calls for a cease fire.

But just who are these “innocent civilians” of Gaza?

These are the same people who elected Hamas in 2006, knowing that Hamas’ charter called for the extermination of all Jews.

That charter preceded Hamas’ election by almost two decades.

These “civilians” knew for whom they voted and why they voted for them.

There are the same “civilians” whose homes conceal entrances to Hamas’ tunnels, whose hospitals shield Hamas’ leaders, whose clinics and schools are used as launching pads for Hamas’ rockets.

These are the “civilians” who rushed across the border fence on October 7 to maraud, rape and murder.

These are the “civilians” who are used as human shields. My sympathy for them is lacking.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 12, 2023 2:31 pm

The court found powers to strip citizenship gave the minister a role in adjudging and punishing criminal guilt that should be reserved for courts.

Of course so they would, in the hands of the courts the power would never get used.

I am very well aware of the slippery slope that goes with such powers in one persons hands and the fact the ALP would also never use the powers but the courts shouldn’t be the last call. The minister should be the ultimate backstop once all avenues have been exhausted. The minister is accountable to the public. I’d even be open to the powers being invested executive Government if that any added safeguard.

Something needs to be done as at the moment the present system isn’t working and the two other arms of Government are just showing complete inertia to fix it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 2:32 pm

Imagine if Hunter was on that FSU team this year.

Zatara
Zatara
November 12, 2023 2:33 pm

Richardson Post reports that Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland & Denmark have apparently made pact to deport illegal Muzzies.

I’m afraid the devil is in the details of that one. How exactly is that going to work? Where are you going to deport the to? How to keep them from flowing back? Remember, they are EU. So no borders between them and other states who won’t do it and a parliament that can say “no”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 2:33 pm

Twitter is saying that Trump got a standing ovation as he walked into the UFC today.
In New York.

Crossie
Crossie
November 12, 2023 2:34 pm

Indolent
Nov 12, 2023 2:04 PM
Bill Gates Business Associates Reach Combined $365 Million Settlement with Jeffrey Epstein’s Victims.

US will never be free until the names of Jeffrey Epstein’s clients are made public. At present when public officials makes uncharacteristic decisions it is fair to wonder if they have been blackmailed into it.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 2:34 pm

I’m with you Dot. We are gobsmacked how average punters are enduring the soaring prices. And they are still at Bunnings on weekends spending up & Melbourne Cup day was the usual One Big Party.

I still say it was a late 1920s & early 1930s feel about it. From the history books, of course!

Gabor
Gabor
November 12, 2023 2:36 pm

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Crossie
Nov 12, 2023 2:04 PM

No, Harry was not hardly done by, he is even more woke as is Meghan. Their problem is that they want to make money out of it as well.

I often wonder if these people have advisers and do they listen to them?
If not, why have them, or are the advisers tell them what they want to hear?

That woman was trouble written all over her from far away, Do not touch!!
Yet he did, what was it, lust or love we, will never know, but it’s not going the W Simpson way, she is far smarter than he is and they will part company when his usefulness is exhausted.

Zatara
Zatara
November 12, 2023 2:38 pm

As it happens, Hunter would likely have been an attitude problem at FSU (who is just starting to benefit from the rebuilding of their team’s ‘culture’). They are undefeated this year and it’s quite likely they will be playing in the final 4.

Besides, Coleman and Wilson are doing just fine in his place. Both are likely all-Americans this year and will go high in the draft.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 2:38 pm

I agree Zatara. As many are saying – the Barbarians were let in the gates. Getting rid of them ain’t going to be pretty – if even possible.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 2:39 pm

Sadiq Khan urged to sack three advisers for anti-Israel stance

One adviser to Mayor of London accused Israel of ‘settler colonialism’ while another said the country was committing ‘genocide’ – Paywalled

By Amy Gibbons and Will Hazell, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

An adviser to Sadiq Khan on policing accused Israel of “settler colonialism”, while another adviser accused the country of genocide, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Mayor of London has been accused of a “shocking” lack of judgement as it emerged one of his advisers responsible for scrutinising reform of the Metropolitan Police said he could “never respect Israel as a settlement or a country”.

A second adviser helping to shape Mr Khan’s equality, diversity and inclusion strategy repeatedly accused Israel of genocide, while a third shared a post claiming that Palestinians have faced a “brutal settler colonial occupation” for 75 years and are now immersed in an “anti-colonial and anti-apartheid” struggle.

The Campaign Against Antisemitism urged Mr Khan to sack all three advisers and “publicly reject” their views in light of the “startling” revelations.

“The views in these posts would be of concern coming from any member of the public, but coming from people in charge of equality, diversity and inclusion in London, and even of overseeing policing in our capital, they are totally out of order,” it said.

Mr Khan’s team said he did “not agree” with the advisers’ views, stressing the individuals concerned were “very much independent from the Mayor”.

The first adviser, Sayce Holmes-Lewis, is a member of the London Policing Board tasked with helping the Mayor scrutinise “urgent reform” of the Met after a damning report found the force was institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic.

He also trains Scotland Yard on engaging with the black community, according to his website.

Last year, before the policing board was established, Mr Holmes-Lewis said he could “never respect Israel as a settlement or a country”.

‘Israel should face boycotts for war crimes’

Sharing a clip appearing to show Israeli forces attacking a Palestinian journalist’s funeral procession, he wrote: “Absolutely sickening and disgusting. I can never respect Israel as a settlement or a country. The occupation of Palestine is unlawful & inhumane.

“We are witnessing a genocide of innocent people. We are all being oppressed by the same system of colonialism #PalestinianLivesMatter”.

In a separate tweet, also posted last year, he suggested Israel should face boycotts like Russia for its “war crimes”.

“I’m just wondering when all these Western administrations, organisations & sporting governing bodies are going to boycott Israel for their war crimes & the continual oppression of Palestinian people. Russia has been boycotted globally in record time. Don’t forget Israel either,” he said.

Challenged on the vetting process earlier this month, Mr Khan said he had been “reassured” that all the members of the policing board had undergone the “proper checks”.

The other two activists, Asma Shah and Peter Wieltschnig, are both members of the Mayor’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI) Advisory Group.

Ms Shah says her ‘concerns are for a ceasefire in order for the killing of children and other innocents in Gaza to stop’

According to its dedicated webpage, the panel “shapes, influences and guides the delivery of the Mayor’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Strategy”.

Ms Shah, a charity leader, has accused Israel of genocide, apartheid and “settler colonialism”.

On Oct 26, shortly after Israeli tanks and troops launched a “targeted raid” on Gaza, she tweeted:

“Watching from the sidelines and going mad as genocide is committed in 2023 to the applause of western leaders, and humanitarians are arrested for protesting for the lives of #Palestine #settlercolonialism #Apartheid_Israel #CeaseFireInGaza”.

The term “settler colonialism” is sometimes used by critics of the Israeli state to describe the political and demographic shifts in the area since the late 19th century.

The Anti-Defamation League, an international Jewish civil rights group, has warned this is an “inaccurate” characterisation and “often serves as part of the effort to chip away at or negate Israel’s legitimacy”.

Ms Shah has also criticised Sir Keir Starmer for refusing to call for a ceasefire, accusing him of “egging on genocide”.

Asked to comment, she told The Telegraph: “My concerns are for a ceasefire in order for the killing of children and other innocents in Gaza to stop.

I don’t express this hope as a member of the EDI which is a London-focused group, I do so as a human who is really troubled to keep seeing the numbers of innocents being killed rising and the world is letting it happen.

“I am in solidarity with Jews all over the world and in London too who are peacefully protesting and calling for a ceasefire.”

Mr Wieltschnig has not attacked Israel in his own words, but he recently shared a statement from the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain claiming that “over the past 75 years Palestinians have faced a brutal settler colonial occupation”.

It added: “We reject the proposition that anti-Zionism and criticisms of Israel equate to anti-semitism. The struggle for the liberation of Palestine is an anti-colonial and anti-apartheid struggle and as such is supported by millions of workers of all faiths and backgrounds, including Muslim and Jewish communities, across the world.”

‘Mayor must remove individuals from their positions’

A spokesman for the Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “These revelations are startling.

The Mayor’s EDI Advisory Group does not seem to be particularly inclusive when there are members who do not recognise the legitimacy of a Jewish state, especially the assertion that Israel, since its inception 75 years ago, has represented a ‘brutal settler colonial occupation’.

“Moreover, for someone on the London Policing Board to appear to hold similar views is even more disturbing, particularly at a time of such scrutiny in relation to the Met’s controversial handling of the recent protests.

If Mr Holmes-Lewis ‘can never respect Israel as a settlement or a country,’ how can he and those he oversees respect the Jewish community that identifies so closely with the Jewish state?”

The statement added: “The Mayor must publicly reject these views and remove these individuals from their positions.”

A Conservative Party source said: “It is shocking that Sadiq Khan seems to believe it is acceptable for his advisers to hold these views and it shows once again that he is completely out of touch with Londoners’ values.”

A spokesman for Mr Khan said: “The Mayor does not agree with these views and comments.

These board members are very much independent from the Mayor and will therefore have a variety of opinions that will not be in line with the Mayor’s.”

Mr Holmes-Lewis, Mr Wieltschnig and the Labour Party have all been approached for comment.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 2:46 pm

Cohenite:
Tried to make a donation – rejected twice.

After the disappointing critique of my posting Fig 7.3 from AR4 to prove humans are only responsible for a small % of CO2 and therefore cannot be responsible for the increase in atmospheric CO2, thus disproving man made climate change I thought I’d put up Ed Berry’s latest about this point:

Third time lucky…

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 12, 2023 2:46 pm

They are undefeated this year and it’s quite likely they will be playing in the final 4.

Easily IMHO.
Georgia & Ohio State are unbeaten but don’t seem to be winning “well”.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 2:47 pm

The Ginge and the Gash.

Nothing good can come from that mix.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 12, 2023 2:48 pm

Dot.

Sorry but these empty egg cartons are off the market.

Possibly the most inadvertently funny clip you will watch today.
The amount of things in the background or highlighted as “empowering” which are stereotypical is incredible. If you wanted to do a subtle pisstake you couldnt arrange it better.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2020/jul/07/being-childfree-four-women-on-why-they-chose-not-to-have-kids-video

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 12, 2023 2:49 pm

It seems we are all being distracted from the serious news. Forget about global boiling, Gaza, Trump’s trials, cost of living, renewables v fossil fuels etc. What really matters is whether Princess Mary should knee Filandering Frederik in the nuts.

I mean seriously the hot Mexican chick is called Casanova. There is a clue about how “friendly” they are if ever there was one.

I am outraged that nobody at the Cat has been outraged about this betrayal of our Mary. FFS the Tasmanian army should be mobilising for war against Denmark. It may result in a Lego shortage but honour comes before our kids present requirements. Surely Penny Wong should be coming out in support of Mary and calling in the Lego Ambassador to explain the scandalous treatment of her highness.

“Crown Prince Frederik’s fidelity was called into question after Spanish magazine Lecturas printed pictures of the heir to the Danish throne attending a Pablo Picasso exhibition with a Mexican socialite in Madrid.

“Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark met Mexican socialite Genoveva Casanova “several times a year” since the pair got acquainted on a high-end hunting trip, according to new claims.

Their connection has been the subject of intense speculation after photos emerged of the duo enjoying an evening out together in Madrid, as rumours swirl about an alleged affair.

Now a Spanish TV presenter has revealed the pair “have a friendship”, according to new information she said she received “from Genoveva’s entourage”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 2:52 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 2:53 pm

Winston Smith
Nov 12, 2023 1:25 PM

Makka
Nov 12, 2023 9:18 AM

But here’s the difference, they did it with glee.

If you have ever seen an emotional Arab, I mean really emotional, manic and deranged, in an argument or altercation, you can get some idea of what this must have looked like. It’s as if they have been possessed. In this case on Oct 7th, possessed with epic hatred and Islam- the worst possible combination. They ceased being human and became some kind of crazed animals. The IDF must not stop yet, while one of them is breathing.

They were possessed, Makka.
October 7th was a glimpse into Satans realm.

Winston & Makka,

Another Article to point out the Obvious

Israel must prepare for the de-Hamasification of Gaza

After the Second World War, strenuous effort was required to denazify Germany. We must replicate it

JAKE WALLIS SIMONS

Sitting on my desk is a Palestinian schoolbook. Behind its jolly pink cover, it is shot through with the basest Israelophobia. A few pages in, you will find a romanticised picture of Dalal Mughrabi, who in 1978 took part in the murder of 38 Israeli civilians in the Coastal Road Massacre. She is praised as a national hero.

This is the indoctrination to which Palestinian children are subjected. If this is what happens under the supposedly moderate Palestinian Authority on the West Bank,

what hope for the children of Gaza?

In its 17 years in power, Hamas’s brainwashing has churned out jihadis.

Schoolchildren are taught to produce plays in which they dress up as terrorists and act out atrocities. At summer camps, they practise the rudiments of terrorism.

Hamas’s ideology is strongly influenced by Nazism, so it should come as no surprise that this resembles a wartime German school system that was pervaded by Third Reich ideology.

Even mathematics textbooks featured questions about fully laden bombers flying to Warsaw.

Once the Allied victory had been secured, the denazification of young Germans posed a more difficult problem than the deprogramming of older people.

To replicate the postwar economic and cultural miracle of Germany in Gaza would be a true triumph. What can be learnt from the Allied denazification programme that may help cleanse Palestinian society of Hamas?

In short: that military victory is not enough if the ideology of the death cult persists.

It starts, however, with a decisive military victory. By the close of the war, the destruction of the German war machine was total, making it indisputable that the promise of Nazism had turned to ashes.

Gazans must get the same message.
Then the process of ­de-Hamasification must begin.

The lesson of postwar Germany is that there can be no room for compromise.

The measures introduced by the Allies were remarkably illiberal. Those supporting Nazism faced the death penalty, and draconian censorship rules were introduced. Thirty-thousand books, including Mein Kampf, were banned.

Nobody would advocate execution in post-Hamas Gaza, but a similarly intolerant approach towards jihadism will be vital. In Germany, those suspected of war crimes faced the Nuremberg trials, heavily advertised as a deterrent. Alongside this, the atrocities of the Holocaust were publicised across Germany, to bring the nation face-to-face with its crimes.

A comprehensive re-education programme was rolled out to German children. The tone unapologetically placed the blame for wartime atrocities on the Nazis.

All of this holds lessons for Gaza, where citizens must reckon with the atrocities that have been committed in their name.

Accompanying these aggressive policies was a programme of economic reform that led to Germany quickly becoming a European powerhouse. Crippling price controls were lifted. Currency reform helped tame inflation. Taxes were slashed.

This will be harder to implement in the Gaza Strip, which has no meaningful base of economic productivity to begin with. But a petri dish of growth must be created, and it will require similar levels of international ingenuity.

There are, of course, differences between denazification and de-Hamasification. For one thing, jihadi ideology is a global phenomenon. For another, Western public opinion is hardly friendly towards Israel.

But the core lesson is unassailable: alongside economic development, jihadism must be outlawed and not the slightest tolerance must be shown towards it.

PS. None of the above will happen!

johanna
johanna
November 12, 2023 2:54 pm

Any woman who takes up with what used to be called an ‘international playboy’ should expect that he will continue to be same.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 2:56 pm

Daily Mail.

Richard Marles’ $350 breakfast and laundry bill is exposed after he was blasted for being out of touch with the cost-of-living crisis in Australia

Deputy PM charged Aussie taxpayers for breakfast and laundry
Richard Marles spend $115 on breakfast and $253 on laundry

Zatara
Zatara
November 12, 2023 2:56 pm

To bring in an Oz angle on the FSU story, their Punter Alex Mastramanno, late of Brighton Grammer, was an absolutely deadly weapon in their game against Miami today. Really, really impressive.

He’s a team fave at least partially because he had the balls to have his official team picture taken wearing that awful mullet haircut.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 2:57 pm

Megan

Nov 12, 2023 11:38 AM

Had a kid I treated who near drowned back at the Loop.
Dad and son were play wrestling and she was obscured behind them for about 10 seconds, went under and was fairly quickly pulled out blue with water in the lungs.

Manly District Hospital – 1984.
Mediterranean family at the beach – teenage daughter unable to swim is pulled from surf, Lifesavers start CPR, ambos arrive from just up the road. Try to resuscitate the girl and are stopped by relatives having a grief display by throwing themselves on her while preventing the girl from being resuscitated. Girl dies in A&E, a totally needless death.
Nearly 40 years ago and I’m still enraged by the stupidity and selfishness of the family who felt their grief display was more important than a young womans chance at life.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 12, 2023 2:59 pm

Something needs to be done as at the moment the present system isn’t working and the two other arms of Government are just showing complete inertia to fix it.

Why would you fix an outcome you desire?
No more “‘fugees held forever” to bash the 2 majors with, a few murdered/raped/abused citizens is a tiny price to pay for the removal of such an irritant.

I may seem like Im joking putting it this way, but I dead serious.
Id even question if the government more or less ran “dead” on the case to ensure this outcome.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 2:59 pm

Science. How can you not believe the science? I was listening to an interesting podcast earlier this morning.
Go back, say, 15 years. Anyone who questioned the Big Bang and evolution was considered a loon and deserved to be in an asylum bin.

Recent pictures from the new telescopes now floating in space have placed a huge question mark on the Big Bang theory because many galaxies they’ve found have now confounded the theory and put it into question.

The simulation theory—even if you don’t believe it—has dug big holes in the theory of evolution. People like Musk began to think we’re living in a simulation, and there hasn’t been even a squeal from the so-called scientific left. The left only squealed when traditional religion was the target.

Now, here’s the big one. DNA sampling suggests whites, Asians, etc. didn’t hail from out of Africa at all, as there’s no real match. In fact, we don’t really; there is a new theory developing that humans arrived from different spots and not just Africa. I’d bet the out-of-Africa bullshit was pumped up to suggest we’re all the same to ward off obvious differences.

These are really at the most basic levels of science that have now been put into question. incredible, because it appears, the more we know, the less we know.

Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 3:00 pm

Sorry but these empty egg cartons are off the market.

It’s over.

Things were literally better in the 1980s.

Young men, this will probably never sincerely happen to you without a divorce.

Beautiful, innocent (perhaps naive) & sincere. It may not be the most brilliant or clever song ever written but the sum of the parts speaks for itself.

No. Now we live in a post-Keynesian and fourth-wave feminist hellscape. Marriage is oppressive and only benefits men, apparently. It was always about controlling women.

No fate but what we make?

No future.

Here’s the level of insane entitlement, explosive coronary artery collapse and misandry that is going on today. Tim Pool talked about this too. Note the filth and stains coming from the armpits. Calling HER “fat” is “literally, like, a hate crime”.

Delusional Obese Woman ROASTS Male “Incels”

Isn’t one of the things you’re feeling, isn’t one of them, hope?

No future.

P
P
November 12, 2023 3:00 pm

johanna
Nov 12, 2023 1:29 PM

I happened to be entering Dan Murphy’s at the time. At first, I wondered if I had wandered into a science fiction scenario, because staff and customers were all standing perfectly still and silent, like they were frozen in time and space. The usual music was turned off. It was weird.

Then I realised what it was, and joined in.

Not a shadow of dissent, everybody shared the moments of remembering those who sacrificed for us long ago.

The old Australia is not dead, whatever the eternal pessimists here say.

Good to hear.

I still observe the old 2 minutes silence as it had been for much of my life.
All the older family members for many years after WWII still referred to it as Armistice Day.
RSL

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 12, 2023 3:04 pm

Id even question if the government more or less ran “dead” on the case to ensure this outcome.

Totally agree on this point and have thought same.

I am actually wondering when the boats are going to start up again, certainly can’t be far off.

Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 3:06 pm

As to that obese lady:

What man ever said Jessica Alba (or Josie Maran for the older gentlemen) were mingers?!

It’s like a dude from the 1960s saying Julie Newmar looked ugly as Catwoman.

Not bloody likely!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 12, 2023 3:08 pm

Dot, you just need to man up and wife her.

Anyway, its obvious her parents were just following Dr Rudis excellent advice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRl–AAOs0

JMH
JMH
November 12, 2023 3:10 pm

For those who would like to drop into a war zone for a bit, go here: Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK0wUF-4G2c

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 3:12 pm

I’m still enraged by the stupidity and selfishness of the family who felt their grief display was more important than a young womans chance at life.

And Malcolm Fraser and cohorts dragged these dregs of humanity into our country despite advice against it. The stupid, it burns.

And now we see the results of the infestation of Leb criminal Muslims on the steps of the Opera House screaming “Gas The Jews”!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 12, 2023 3:12 pm

Isn’t one of the things you’re feeling, isn’t one of them, hope?

Well, it was.

Ewwww.

Tom
Tom
November 12, 2023 3:14 pm

I am actually wondering when the boats are going to start up again, certainly can’t be far off.

Won’t need to. They’re now coming by plane — 500,000 p.a. as a starting point, all legal with a free ride to Australian citizenship. The strategy is that they will all vote Labor-Greens, making anything but a leftwing federal government impossible in about a decade from now.

PS: the SFLs are supporting it, like turkeys voting for Christmas.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 12, 2023 3:14 pm

Jessica Alba?
Pointy elbows.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 12, 2023 3:20 pm
Dot
Dot
November 12, 2023 3:20 pm

Look. Here is wisdom. Let her hath understanding:

Any woman who takes up with what used to be called an ‘international playboy’ should expect that he will continue to be same.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 3:20 pm

Gageler puts a firm stamp on ‘new’ High Court

The new chief justice wanted to send a message that this would be a different court from that presided over by Susan Kiefel since 2017 – and he succeeded.

Michael Pelly
Legal editor

Stephen Gageler has had the most consequential first week of a new chief justice since the High Court opened its doors in 1903.

On Monday, Gageler upended the traditional welcome ceremony by inviting Australia’s first Indigenous silk, Tony McAvoy, SC, to open proceedings.

On Tuesday and Wednesday, he presided over a challenge to the notorious 2004 decision of the court in Al-Kateb v Godwin, which authorised the indefinite detention of asylum seekers, and consigned it to the dustbin.

It is expected to lead to the release of 92 people in immigration detention.

Then on Thursday, the court tackled mandatory minimum sentencing, perhaps the most problematic policy issue in criminal law.

As far as first weeks go, it wasn’t the usual fare of a welcome filled with fawning tributes, thanks and bland statements about the importance of the court. Then a case or two would be heard and put aside until judgments could be published.

Gageler wanted to send a message that this would be a different court from that presided over by Susan Kiefel since 2017 – and he would be a different chief justice.

Gageler is only the 14th chief justice in the 120-year history of the court. In that time, there have been 31 prime ministers.

He is undoubtedly the first to come from Sandy Hollow, a small Hunter Valley town where his father and grandfather ran a sawmilling business. He is probably the first to have a black belt in taekwondo.

While the High Court Act says all seven justices are responsible for the administration of the court, it will be called the Gageler court for a reason.

The chief justice presides over hearings, directs the flow of questioning, speaks on behalf of the court, liaises with the government and chairs the council of chief justices.

The court is the final avenue from all state and federal courts. About 60 per cent of its work is migration and criminal law matters, but the big cases are about the constitution – and ensuring the government stays within its guardrails.

For example, the Kiefel court ruled that 15 sitting MPs were ineligible for parliament because they either held or were eligible for dual citizenship. It also found 4-3 (with Kiefel and Gageler dissenting) in Love v Commonwealth that the government could not remove non-citizens with Indigenous heritage.

It quashed the conviction of the late Cardinal George Pell for sexual assault, rejected challenges to COVID-19 laws, clarified workplace laws, and backed Australian Tax Office efforts to rein in multinationals.

Gageler is now the longest-serving justice, having joined the court in 2012. Only two judges have served for more than six years: Michelle Gordon (since 2015) and James Edelman (since 2017).

It is said that with every new justice, the High Court changes. But with NSW Court of Appeal judge Robert Beech-Jones filling the vacancy caused by Kiefel’s retirement, there should be no changes in personnel until Gageler himself hits the mandatory retirement age of 70 in 2028.

That is an unusually long run of stability and will give Gageler even more of an opportunity to put his stamp on the court during what is a relatively short tenure.

It will help that he is now its undisputed intellectual leader – especially on constitutional and administrative law.

Interestingly, he is also regarded as the most “liberal” justice since Michael Kirby.

This entails being typically pro-defendant in criminal cases, pro-rights, pro-minorities, pro-union, pro-federal government in federal/state disputes, and pro-economic underdog.

Gageler is all of that.

Unlike Kiefel, Gageler also shapes as a leader who will traverse political territory.

One that – going on this week – will put people before process. And one with a bigger staff. In a move that has gone under the radar, Gageler has hired a chief-of-staff – a first for the High Court. (The court declined to say whom, as the appointee hasn’t started.)

The chief-of-staff will provide (according to the job advertisement) “administrative and legal support to the Chief Justice”.

This includes preparing briefings and speeches and “co-ordinating the judgment production process”.

It is a role that is more usually associated with a politician or the head of a law firm, and it will be interesting to see how the other justices respond.

Gageler’s elevation also comes at a critical juncture for the court, which has been fracturing over the past two years after the retirements of Virginia Bell (2021) and Patrick Keane (2022).

The consensus that marked the early years is gone, with none of the current bench sharing the enthusiasm of Kiefel, Bell and Keane to work together and provide clear and unadorned statements of the law.

Two of the justices, James Edelman and Simon Steward, are emerging as outliers which will make it even harder for the court to “speak with one voice” – and deliver a majority judgment of at least four justices.

In one of the Kiefel court’s final decisions – on the legality of Victorian road user tax for electric and hybrid vehicles – there were five different judgments as the court split 4-3. There was also some sniping between the justices.

How the judges will align under Gageler is a source of much speculation.

A popular view is that Beech-Jones might join Gageler, Justice Jacqueline Gleeson and Justice Jayne Jagot (who formed the majority in the EV case). All are based in NSW.

Also on the horizon is a judicial commission to handle complaints against federal judges. If it follows the model of the state-based bodies, Gageler will be the inaugural president.

At his swearing-in ceremony, Gageler said his career had come full circle.

His first full-time job was as a High Court associate to Sir Anthony Mason in 1983, at the time of the landmark Franklin Dam case. His last full-time job will be at the High Court, in the same role Sir Anthony occupied from 1987-1995. (Both men also served as Commonwealth solicitor-general.)

Sir Anthony, now 98, was on the bench for the occasion and Gageler made a beeline for his mentor after the ceremony.

Sir Anthony’s tenure is considered a golden age of the High Court. Gageler has described the Mason court as a romantic period – “it was a time of great creativity and development in the law”.

Not so those of a conservative stripe, who still fume at the early-1990s media cases which gave rise to implied freedom of political free speech and the native title decisions in the Mabo cases.

Like Mason, Gageler has a “living tree” view of the Constitution, and believes “judicial vigilance” is justified when politicians are not going to be held accountable at the ballot box.

In the 2009 Maurice Byers lecture, he said: “Why is it not appropriate to see the Constitution as creating a political system whose ordinary constitutional working will be through the political process – and to see the role of the judicial power within that political system as akin to that of a referee whose extraordinary constitutional responsibility is for the game itself rather than a linesman whose only responsibility is to call in or out?…

“And why should there not openly be judicial vigilance where, by virtue of those institutional structures, political accountability is inherently weak or endangered?”

The indefinite detention of asylum seekers, is one such issue – and has stalked the High Court for almost 20 years.

In 2004, the court ruled that a provision in the Migration Act that allowed for the indefinite detention of asylum seekers was valid. The legislation only asked that they be removed to a third country as “soon as reasonably practicable”.

Before the case was heard, the Howard government released the plaintiff – stateless Palestinian asylum seeker Ahmed Ali Al-Kateb – and eight others into the community on temporary bridging visas. (Al-Kateb was granted a permanent visa in 2007.)

The case was remarkable for the fact that Chief Justice Murray Gleeson and Justice Bill Gummow dissented – an extremely rare occurrence for both men – along with Michael Kirby.

Gleeson offered that the government would not have intended such a consequence; if it had, it would have said so clearly and unambiguously in the legislation.

Successive Liberal and Labor governments have not substantially amended the legislation, most likely out of a fear of being branded “soft” in an area that had become a political battleground. The High Court had found it unnecessary, or declined, to revisit Al-Kateb three times.

But with so many people in detention limbo, it was ripe for another challenge. The court heard that those affected include 78 refugees with citizenship of another country who cannot be returned to their country of origin because of a “well-founded fear of persecution”, and 14 people who are mostly stateless.

The matter was filed in April as a constitutional law case, so it required all seven judges. That was not possible after Kiefel stopped hearing cases in June. That Gageler made it the first hearing for the new court was a statement in itself. He also presided over the preliminary directions hearings, which refined the issues.

The lead plaintiff – dubbed NZYQ – was a stateless Rohingya man, who faced the prospect of detention for life because no country had agreed to resettle him, due to a conviction for sexual intercourse with a 10-year-old.

A telling comment came after the Commonwealth suggested the Migration Act “operates validly to require him to be detained until another country that can be found that will accept him”.

Gageler: “It is apt to introduce a human dimension to the inquiry.”

The court was unmoved by government submissions that it might lead to a raft of compensation claims.

Or that negotiations with the United States to take NZYQ were continuing and there was a “real prospect of removal”.

Justice Jacqueline Gleeson: “Does not the prospect here have to be assessed against the fact that the Australian government has not made this approach before now … Would you say that Saudi Arabia was a real prospect until it definitively said no?”

After a 16-minute break at the end of the two-day hearing, Gageler revealed that “at least a majority” had agreed to overrule Al-Kateb.

While the court has previously ordered the release of prisoners after a criminal law appeal has been upheld, the usual course is to reserve judgment.

However, that would have meant the asylum seekers would have stayed in detention until after the new year.

The other cases in the first fortnight of the new court include two on the legality of mandatory minimum sentences. Another concerns the rules around international commercial arbitration (the preferred legal forum for big business).

The biggest change from the Kiefel era will be away from the bench.

In the past year alone, Gageler has criticised the US Supreme Court and backed the return of an independent panel to advise on judicial appointments.

Kiefel would not have gone anywhere near either subject.

Kiefel also passed on acknowledging Indigenous Australians in her welcome ceremony. Her predecessor, Robert French, was the first High Court chief justice (in 2008) to acknowledge Indigenous Australians as the original custodians of the nation.

The attorney-general – or a representative – has been the first to speak at every swearing-in since 1903.

But Gageler invited McAvoy to open his welcome, barely a month after the failed referendum on the Voice.

The significance of the gesture was not lost on McAvoy, who spoke on behalf of National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Legal Services. (He did the same at Beech-Jones’ swearing-in later that day). “First Nations will continue to come to this place for a fair hearing because there is a proper basis to hope for just outcomes.”

Gageler responded with a fulsome acknowledgment of Indigenous people. “I do so in the place – in the very courtroom – where traditional laws and customs of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples were first recognised by the common law of Australia (in Mabo v Queensland No 2).”

Hail the chief – and a very different one at that.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 3:20 pm

The Libs really have had some brain fades when it comes to immigration. Fraser with the Lebs from the hill towns, & those fools Morrison & Frydenberg who proposed the new influx that was quickly adopted by the current Labor government.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 12, 2023 3:22 pm

JC I saw an article a couple of years ago about a skeleton found in the Turkish area of the Med that had no African DNA in it. Like anything explanations of the past can change when new evidence is found. These days with the lefties in charge the evidence is likely to be ignored coz it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 12, 2023 3:22 pm

Any woman who takes up with what used to be called an ‘international playboy’ should expect that he will continue to be same

‘I will change him’

Oh you silly, silly girl.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 3:31 pm

Old Ozzie:

Winston & Makka,

A Re-Read of this article is recommended – the following is some of that article

I reread the article.
I stand by my statement:

They were possessed, Makka.
October 7th was a glimpse into Satans realm.

There are no innocents in Hell, OO.
They self selected from all walks of life – terrorists and supporters alike.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 3:32 pm

Good thinking, Toad. Harry Hindsight is now 40 years old and should have seen it coming. Tell us, did you make this prediction in 1980 either in the womb or in the open air?

Fraser’s partial heritage was Jewish and he had a soft spot for Jews and refugees at the time. It was a different era then, as the times were also influenced by the occurrences of years before the war when Jews were being turned back at the borders.

Malcolm Fraser: A Beacon of Light for the Jewish Community as Prime Minister

Indeed, the late Mr Fraser’s positions in terms of multiculturalism, Soviet Jewry and Israel while he was prime minster were very much to the benefit of both the Australian Jewish community and world Jewry, and were very much appreciated at the time. In regard to both Soviet Jewry and Israel, his approach was the antithesis of his predecessor, Gough Whitlam.

It is difficult to know to what extent Fraser was influenced by the Jewish background of his mother, Una Wolf, whose father was Jewish.

Fraser, as against Whtilam, was very much in favor of allowing “Vietnamese Balts (as Whitlam called them) into Australia as refs. We weren’t aware of the diabolical way in which Islam was moving then.

John H.
John H.
November 12, 2023 3:47 pm

JC
Nov 12, 2023 2:59 PM
Science. How can you not believe the science? I was listening to an interesting podcast earlier this morning.
Go back, say, 15 years. Anyone who questioned the Big Bang and evolution was considered a loon and deserved to be in an asylum bin.

Welcome to my world.

I’ve never trusted cosmology. Terrence McKenna: Allow me one miracle and I can explain the universe. You’re right, the recent observations challenge the BBT but inflation was just plugged in to make the BBT work, just as dark matter is plugged in to wipe away inconvenient data.

Ted Steele, an Aus immunologist, in the 1990s wrote Lamarck’s Signature, a claim that went nowhere but there are now many experiments pointing to Lamarckian style transmission and no invoking epigenetics as an explanation doesn’t explain those findings. Apart from that I’ve never been happy with the probability and bottleneck issues in evolutionary theory.

Out of Africa was competing with the multiregional hypothesis, the latter put forward by the Aus anthropologist Alan Thorne and others. Chris Stringer’s Out of Africa book basically killed that argument but we are now finding admixtures from Denisovans and Neandertals albeit at very low rates of gene transfer. There is also evidence of transfer from “ghost archaic human species”. Paleoanthropology is fraught with intractable epistemic limitations but that doesn’t stop people writing papers and others using it for political purposes because humans are so bloody desperate to win an argument they will lie through their teeth rather than admit the limitations of a field. Nonetheless I won’t dismiss Out of Africa because the primate evolutionary record and the transition species fossils in African very much support it but I also perceive human beings as a “discontinuous species”. That is, our behavior doesn’t fit the evolutionary narrative and imperatives.

You should see the rage of some physicists concerning how string theory was a waste of 40 years.

Then there is the nonsense embedded in economics, psychology, psychiatry, sociology, religion … .

Hence Camus wrote:
“If the only significant history of human thought were to be written, it would have to be the history of its successive regrets and its impotences.”

Or DT Suzuki …

“Readers all wrinkle their foreheads”

Or TS Eliot:

And the wisdom of age? Had they deceived us,
Or deceived themselves, the quiet-voiced elders,
Bequeathing us merely a receipt for deceit?
The serenity only a deliberate hebetude,
The wisdom only the knowledge of dead secrets
Useless in the darkness into which they peered
Or from which they turned their eyes. There is, it seems to us,
At best, only a limited value
In the knowledge derived from experience.
The knowledge imposes a pattern, and falsifies,
For the pattern is new in every moment
And every moment is a new and shocking
Valuation of all we have been.

None of this worries me. I’m a pragmatist. What works is what matters.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 12, 2023 3:49 pm

Nearly 40 years ago and I’m still enraged by the stupidity and selfishness of the family who felt their grief display was more important than a young womans chance at life.

Evolution in action.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 3:50 pm

Rockdoctor

Nov 12, 2023 3:04 PM
Id even question if the government more or less ran “dead” on the case to ensure this outcome.

Totally agree on this point and have thought same.
I am actually wondering when the boats are going to start up again, certainly can’t be far off.

The boats won’t start – not in any meaningful fashion. They’ll fly them in from Gaza in their tens of thousands, and by taxi right up to the unemployment offices from the airport, then to newly vacated residences in the poorer suburbs where the beds are still warm from the previous tenants who will now be redirected to tents in the bush.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 12, 2023 3:54 pm

OldOzzie at 3:20

Interestingly, he is also regarded as the most “liberal” justice since Michael Kirby.

Yikes. Not very promising.

Arky
November 12, 2023 3:59 pm

Vicki
Nov 12, 2023 3:20 PM
The Libs really have had some brain fades when it comes to immigration

..
Not like they didn’t know what the world was like:

..
Significant Terrorist Incidents, 1961-2003: A Brief Chronology (Edited)

Attack on the Munich Airport, February 10, 1970: Three terrorists attacked El Al passengers in a bus at the Munich Airport with guns and grenades. One passenger was killed and 11 were injured. All three terrorists were captured by airport police. The Action Organization for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack.

Munich Olympic Massacre, September 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian “Black September” terrorists seized eleven Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. In a bungled rescue attempt by West German authorities, nine of the hostages and five terrorists were killed.

Ambassador to Sudan Assassinated, March 2, 1973: U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization.

Attack and Hijacking at the Rome Airport, December 17, 1973: Five terrorists pulled weapons from their luggage in the terminal lounge at the Rome airport, killing two persons. They then attacked a Pan American 707 bound for Beirut and Tehran, destroying it with incendiary grenades and killing 29 persons, including 4 senior Moroccan officials and 14 American employees of ARAMCO. They then herded 5 Italian hostages into a Lufthansa airliner and killed an Italian customs agent as he tried to escape, after which they forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. After Lebanese authorities refused to let the plane land, it landed in Athens, where the terrorists demanded the release of 2 Arab terrorists. In order to make Greek authorities comply with their demands, the terrorists killed a hostage and threw his body onto the tarmac. The plane then flew to Damascus, where it stopped for two hours to obtain fuel and food. It then flew to Kuwait, where the terrorists released their hostages in return for passage to an unknown destination. The Palestine Liberation Organization disavowed the attack, and no group claimed responsibility for it.

June 16, 1976: Ambassador Francis E. Meloy, Jr. and Economic Counselor Robert O. Waring were kidnapped in Beirut while on their way to meet with President-elect Sarkis. Meloy, Waring, and their Lebanese chauffeur were found dead near a beach several hours alter. No demands were made, and the assassins remain unknown.

Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. They forced the plane to land in Uganda. On July 3 Israeli commandos successfully rescued the passengers.

Ambassador to Afghanistan Assassinated, February 14, 1979: Four Afghans kidnapped U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs in Kabul and demanded the release of various “religious figures.” Dubs was killed, along with four alleged terrorists, when Afghan police stormed the hotel room where he was being held.

Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979: After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the US, Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

Grand Mosque Seizure, November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

August 27, 1980: Unknown assailants in Beirut fired on Ambassador John Gunther Dean’s car. He and his party escaped unharmed.

Assassination of Egyptian President, October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Assassination of Lebanese President, September 14, 1982: President Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party’s Beirut headquarters.

1983

Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA’s Middle East director, were killed and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. compound, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Cassie of Sydney
November 12, 2023 4:00 pm

l am in transit and will blog later in more detail…I am very distressed. I have just had the misfortune to walk to Town Hall to catch a train. I have witnessed a scene straight out of 1932 and 1933 Germany. For the fourth or fifth time since 7 October, Nazi Pallie scum and their leftist enablers have taken over Sydney’s CBD, carrying and waving Nazi Pallie flags and screeching the genocidal cry…..”from the river to the sea., Palestine will be free”. Distressed and shaking at the corner of Park and Pitt streets, I wanted to cross but the the Nazis were blocking the road. I said to a woman who also wanted to cross that I was Jewish and that I am scared. She took my hand and helped me cross Pitt Street, we walked through the Nazi scum. On the other side, I looked at the woman and I said thank you, and she said “bless you, I stand with you”.

I am on the train crying

God help this country.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 4:01 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Nov 12, 2023 3:22 PM
Any woman who takes up with what used to be called an ‘international playboy’ should expect that he will continue to be same
‘I will change him’
Oh you silly, silly girl.

Perhaps she believed him when he promised to love honour etc.
Not silly, just trusted him and took him at his word, and didn’t see the cad crossing his fingers behind his back.
I hope she gives the pig a damn good slap across the face in public before she demands divorce proceedings.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 4:02 pm

There were basically three magazines that carried international news to Australia in the bygone era before the internet.

We’ve spoken about this recently. There was Time, Newsweek, and the Economist. Someone added Scientific American to the list, too.

I cannot recall a single article discussing Islamic fundamentalism during that time. In fact, I recall the first time I was ever cautioned about Islam being by my very first boss, who also happened to be an Indian Hindu. He cautioned me to be very wary of Islam. I had no freaking idea what he was talking about, as I’d barely heard of this thing, Islam.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 4:05 pm

At that rally, Trump said, “On the terrible morning of October 7, the world saw the battle between Israel and Hamas once again. It’s not a battle between two equal sides, it’s a battle between good and bad, it’s a battle between civilization and savages.”

He added, “All those who joined the jihadist rallies, come 2025, we will find you and we will deport you.”

Turning to Hamas, he warned: “If you try to kill our citizens, we will kill you. If you spill a drop of American blood, we will spill a gallon of yours.”

Wow. Just wow. With that resolute visage to match it.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 4:09 pm

Vicki

Except the attacks at the time were reported as Nationalism. There weren’t any reports, as His Leadership is trying to intimate, of Islamic fundamentalism.

In fact, if memory serves correctly, the Leb cohort that Fraser arranged entry for had nothing to do with Israel, It was all to do with an internal civil war in Lebanon. Mid East problems then were reported as strident Arabic nationalism.

Ignore His Leadership as he’s just an oppositional dickhead.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
November 12, 2023 4:09 pm

Frederick is a flamer.
Cmon Sancho, I shouldn’t have to post this.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 4:10 pm

Cassie, be of good heart, on Saturday the Cats will be there to hold you safe.

Do you need a lift? Text or call me if you do, call anyway if you need to talk.

cohenite
November 12, 2023 4:11 pm

OldOzzie
Nov 12, 2023 3:20 PM
Gageler puts a firm stamp on ‘new’ High Court

The new chief justice wanted to send a message that this would be a different court from that presided over by Susan Kiefel since 2017 – and he succeeded.

Climate change full steam ahead. This guy is a dickhead.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 4:12 pm

I think it was in the 1970s when I was in Israel & Islamic terrorists shot up Leonardi da Vinci airport.

Do governments think these were aberrations? I mean, except for Mexican drug runners et al, when do you hear if such regular murderous attacks by other groups? Yet our governments continue to risk us all by the importation of groups with dubious backgrounds.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 4:13 pm

As regards Aberfan .. there must have been surveyors .. planners who knew this was inevitable .. but either chose not to speak , or spoke and were silenced.

When I opined “My primary concern with my fellow workers is that we all went home in one piece”

And for this I was called a “trouble making shop steward” ..IE Leftie … Boo Hiss

OK With out a pair of lungs full of water … or in another instantiation .. working with powder ..

I never held any Union job … I just wanted to make sure my work mate “clocked out” as he “clocked in “… alive.

And as much as I was able to anticipate the hazards we were dealing with .. No one died on my crew … One nearly did … and it was me that nearly killed him ..

Surely there is no controversy on this ?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 4:16 pm

God help this country.

Don’t lose hope, Cassie. Remember that the vote against some clear gaslighting and appeasement went 60:40, and a rejection of all that Hamas stands for would garner a much bigger vote than that. There is a solid core of good in this country and we shall fight back.

New Chum
New Chum
November 12, 2023 4:17 pm

Bourne:

Adam Bandt, Faruqi, etc should watch the Hamas footage so they can understand who they support.
They know who they support its all about stealing votes from the other parties at future elections.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 4:17 pm

They can say what they like about Trump. But the man who recognises the difference between civilisation & savages, is the man I would follow. And he says he will find those who follow savagery & will deport them.

Agree Lizzie a just wow!

vr
vr
November 12, 2023 4:20 pm

Ayaan Ali Hirsi on becoming a Christian.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 4:22 pm

For the fourth or fifth time since 7 October, Nazi Pallie scum and their leftist enablers have taken over Sydney’s CBD

Enough. This frequency has nothing to do with protest, it is intimidation.

Vicki
Vicki
November 12, 2023 4:23 pm

Oh Cassie….. I am so upset to hear what happened. But you know what? A good Aussie helped you & expressed support. I believe that almost all real Aussies would do the same. See? You said you were a Jew & that anonymous lady was so keen to help.

What is happening on Saturday? If we are in Sydney we can be of help.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 4:25 pm

Do governments think these were aberrations?

At the time people basically ignored it for the most part. 911 changed everything. There was chatter that religious fervor was heating up in the mid east especially with Iran’s behavior but things really cranked up after 911 and new focus was put on what Islam was all about.

Getting on a plane before 911 was like catching a bus. I recall traveling on an expired passport back to Australia as I’d forgotten to renew. No one gave a shit.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 12, 2023 4:26 pm

a thought bubble: At some point the law stopped being “the way the people want to live” and became “the way the public service wants to rule”.

An over-reaction?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 12, 2023 4:27 pm

This caught my eye in Wiki…

Gageler is the second solicitor-general to be appointed to the High Court, after Anthony Mason’s appointment in 1972, and the first to be appointed directly to the court with no prior judicial experience – Mason had previously served on the Supreme Court of New South Wales.

Aaand the Opposition didn’t raise a peep about whether this guy was qualified enough to sit on the highest bench in the land or let alone even recently when pushed forward to be the Chief Justice, na Lesser was too busy swanning round earlier this year pushing a boutique issue well outside his brief. Don’t remember George Brandis raising a peep when Roxon appointed this douchebag to the bench without any experience either.

Wow the guy is entrenched there now.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 4:28 pm

@Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 12, 2023 4:16 PM

God help this country.

The Almighty will only be able to amplify and return our own efforts towards Salvation …

Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 4:31 pm

Except the attacks at the time were reported as Nationalism. There weren’t any reports, as His Leadership is trying to intimate, of Islamic fundamentalism.

I think we will find that the Afghan civil war that triggered Russian invasion and US supplying the Talibunnies, was widely seen as Islamists versus Commies. The islamist part was encouraged by the US to bring foreign fighters to oppose the Soviets.

But the real trigger for westerners taking notice of Islam was the Iranian Islamic revolution, hostage crisis and Iranian calls for worldwide Islamic revolution. Ordinary people / western media took that fairly seriously with the realisation that there were quite a large number of Muslims in the world.

When Saddam invaded Iran, there were a few minutes when we wondered of the US and Western governments would uphold international law and remonstrate against invasion of neighbours. Very naive of us. They had provoked it, and it was a very nasty war that kept the Iranian radicals busy for years and killed hundreds of thousands of the young people that might have otherwise been the backbone of ‘worldwide Islamic revolution’ called for by the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 4:32 pm

None of this worries me. I’m a pragmatist. What works is what matters.

Pardon me if I just drive a truck through that philosophy.

Works in what way? Matters to what purpose?

Brains fall out of minds that are too open and unburdened with boundaries.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
November 12, 2023 4:35 pm

The court found powers to strip citizenship gave the minister a role in adjudging and punishing criminal guilt that should be reserved for courts
My God what does it take for these people to understand what we are facing. 1500 years of constant battle. We are up against people who want to die. Nothing can stop them, no metal detector, no security perimeter, no stand off area, no facial recognition.. Let’s get it straight it is not Nazism, it is Islam. The Crusaders, to gain back a tiny part of what Islam seized, needed the Pope to give absolution and forgiveness of sins to all who died. Only that stopped them. Even Saudi Arabia understands that only the death will stop the Jihadis.
90 young innocent people slaughtered in the Bataclan concert, 200 innocent people slaughtered in Bali, 22 slaughtered Ariana Grande concert, Boston Marathon bombing, London subway, Mumbai … it goes on and on.
What does it take?
All of the killers were willing to die, all of them quoted from the Koran. Allahu Akbar, Remember Khaybar ( Amrozi called out as he was led away). This is exactly what they were calling out in London yesterday.
Islam is not your friendly seven eleven shop assistant. He is irrelevant. He will stand aside.
“criminal guilt” – this is another world not ‘criminal’. I have dealt with enough lawyers and magistrates in Australia, they have no idea. Completely clueless.
Everyone: read the Koran. It is their manual. If you want to know the enemy then understand their method.

calli
calli
November 12, 2023 4:43 pm

Thanks for the list, Arky.

I’m old enough to remember them all.

And having walked through the little Christmas market here in Oslo last night, what an easy target these events are. I wondered at a couple of large, what looked to be armoured, police vehicles roaming the streets last night. I soon found out why – as I mentioned way up thread, the Muzzies were stirring up the quiet happy local Hobbits with a bizarre display of shrieking.

Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 4:44 pm

But the real trigger for westerners taking notice of Islam was the Iranian Islamic revolution, hostage crisis and Iranian calls for worldwide Islamic revolution. Ordinary people / western media took that fairly seriously with the realisation that there were quite a large number of Muslims in the world.

Before that, the Palestinian terrorism as seen listed above was seen not as nationalism alone, but as part of the worldwide struggle of commies versus capitalists. All those terror groups were linked, trained and supplied by Soviet client states and set in motion like little clockwork killing machines.
Black September, Brigata Rossi, the IRA, Libya… the Islam linkage was background noise for Palestinians until the second Intifada, with the suicide bombings.

Blairs Law about “the ongoing process by which the world’s multiple idiocies are becoming one giant, useless force.” was demonstrated.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 4:47 pm

God help this country.

And may whoever downticked your comment roast forever in the fires of Hell.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 4:48 pm

I think we will find that the Afghan civil war that triggered Russian invasion and US supplying the Talibunnies, was widely seen as Islamists versus Commies. The islamist part was encouraged by the US to bring foreign fighters to oppose the Soviets.

Great point. We really had no knowledge at the time what were the consequences and to be honest, the religious aspect wasn’t always understood as it hadn’t become a MidEast thing that eventually overtook the region. It was a country by country issue. Even the oil embargo was seen as a nationalist argument at the time.

I’m not sure the Iranian revolution was even considered much of an issue to the West because Iran didn’t align with the Soviets. The Iran Iraq war kept the Iranians busy for around 10 years or so anyway. 🙂

calli
calli
November 12, 2023 4:49 pm

Just got news that Dad is in the ICU after major surgery. May not see the Northern Lights after all. Awaiting more news and instructions from my brother who is dealing with all of it manfully.

All part of life’s rich tapestry.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 4:49 pm

Good thinking, Toad. Harry Hindsight is now 40 years old and should have seen it coming

What’s your point JC?

Do you support the infiltration of Leb muslim crims supported by Fraser instead of decent Lebanese Christians. For vote herding? Like the sleazy Tony Burke?

Tell us from your apartment.

Do you support the filth on the steps of the Opera house screaming “gas the Jews”?

John H.
John H.
November 12, 2023 4:52 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 12, 2023 4:32 PM
None of this worries me. I’m a pragmatist. What works is what matters.

Pardon me if I just drive a truck through that philosophy.

Works in what way? Matters to what purpose?

Brains fall out of minds that are too open and unburdened with boundaries.

Improves life. Better mousetraps. We can theorize and speculate to our hearts content but we must recognize that so often we are wrong. We often have to be wrong many times before we are right. For the most part though, as Alan Cromer noted long ago, our best progress arises when we focus on little questions(like a better mousetrap) than endlessly debating what Wittgenstein so wrongly called the truly important questions of life(big philosophical issues).
My comment makes it obvious I have many more boundaries than most people.

bespoke
bespoke
November 12, 2023 4:57 pm

Do you support the filth on the steps of the Opera house screaming “gas the Jews”?

Of course he doesn’t but I wouldn’t be surprised if he said yes out of spite.

Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 4:57 pm

I’m not sure the Iranian revolution was even considered much of an issue to the West because Iran didn’t align with the Soviets.

U-huh. You may have heard a little song from that time ‘Tie a yellow ribbon’. Or possibly of a man called Ross Perot, and by contrast one ‘President Carter’?

Speaking of one giant, useless force.

The Iran Iraq war kept the Iranians busy for around 10 years or so anyway. ?

That was a buttload of dead men and boys that ‘kept them busy’. Those countries were traumatised horribly.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 5:00 pm

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John H.
Nov 12, 2023 4:52 PM

This is neither pragmatism or even comprehensible.

Pragmatism is a conduit to dislodge driveling obscurantism .. If invoked . which it wasn’t. .. But seems you walk both sides of the street.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:02 pm

What’s your point JC?

It was a different time then and to look back 40 years ago and suggest Fraser was a lunatic because he couldn’t think 40 years or so in advance was laughably stupid.

The canary was in our coal mine even then. Did any Jewish groups warn him of the consequences at the time? You were middle aged even then, did you? Jewish leadership held Fraser in high esteem for being very pro Israel.

Do you support the infiltration of Leb muslim crims supported by Fraser instead of decent Lebanese Christians. For vote herding? Like the sleazy Tony Burke?

Just more than I support the low IQ crap you post here, like the Fraser comment.

Tell us from your apartment.

Out comes the envy. What is it with some of you, as it’s always there rummaging around just below the surface like an acidic stomach rumble. It’s one of the worst human curses.

Do you support the filth on the steps of the Opera house screaming “gas the Jews”?

See my comment above.

Look, you useless envy ridden gutter snipe, the information at hand at the time was much different, and Harry Hindsight is always 100% right, like you Barking Harry.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 12, 2023 5:02 pm

Last 10 years in Chef game It has become spot the Aussie. Indians, Nepalese, Filipinos, Viets, Malays, Koreans, Mauritians, South Americans. Last head chef Sri Lankan. Job before that head chef an Ecuadorian chick. All good people, hard workers and worthy of being here. Filipinos hardest goers I reckon.

Can’t recall working with a Moozlie.

a) They don’t like hard work.
b) Assimilating with other creeds is NO.

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 5:06 pm

@ Chris
Nov 12, 2023 4:57 PM

Amen Brother … Lets pretend it was Yesterday …. some profusions of the number 11. And few of us seem to understand why … busy lives we have

Kipling … Recessional …

Lest We Forget …

John Brumble
John Brumble
November 12, 2023 5:10 pm

JC. On Cosmology, you’re either listening to rubbish or need a more accessible explanation. Try PBS Spacetime on youtube. An Aussie heads it… start on the earlier vids.

Arky
November 12, 2023 5:10 pm

calli
Nov 12, 2023 4:43 PM
Thanks for the list, Arky.

I’m old enough to remember them all.

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You’ll like this then Calli:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_oEGiUTMq4
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Chris
Chris
November 12, 2023 5:11 pm

Just got news that Dad is in the ICU after major surgery.

Best wishes for his recovery Calli.
Its a tough time as they get old, but all we can do is the right thing as it appears on the day.

Lee
Lee
November 12, 2023 5:12 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 12, 2023 4:00 PM

I am on the train crying

God help this country.

What kind of a Nazi-supporting arsehole would downtick Cassie’s emotional trauma?

Take comfort, Cassie, that the vast majority of Australians are on your and the Jewish/Israel side against the haters.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:13 pm

U-huh. You may have heard a little song from that time ‘Tie a yellow ribbon’. Or possibly of a man called Ross Perot, and by contrast one ‘President Carter’?

Sure, and it simmered down literally on the same day Reagan was inaugurated when Iran released the American hostages. However, the region was never really seen as a hegemonic Islamic region.

The thing that really struck me about past times was that after 911, the US intel services were scrambling around for Arab speakers as they hardly had anyone in intel who spoke Arabic.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 5:13 pm

Vicki
Nov 12, 2023 4:12 PM

I think it was in the 1970s when I was in Israel & Islamic terrorists shot up Leonardi da Vinci airport.

Do governments think these were aberrations? I mean, except for Mexican drug runners et al, when do you hear if such regular murderous attacks by other groups?

Yet our governments continue to risk us all by the importation of groups with dubious backgrounds.

Vicki,

Risk of Palestinians were well known

My wife & I were in Zurich Sunday evening on September 6 1970 after 1st week of holiday around Europe in 1960s Blue Harry Potter Ford Anglia – Idiot OZ Boss in UK had said I could only take holidays accrued during 8 months posting in UK & only 1 week at a time, so I was flying with ny wife back to London on Early Monday morning (I was working at BOAC Heathrow) and then flying back to Zurich on Friday night to collect Anglia from Zurich Airport Carpark to contine on 2nd week of Holiday (gave us 18 Days in Europe for 2 weeks holiday)

Being cheapskates, we had parked in Zurich Airport Car Park, checked in, Gone through Customs to holding lounge & slept the night on the benches there

Then the Simultaneous Hijackings September 6, 1970

“Palestinian guerrillas in a bold coordinated action … thrust back to the world’s attention a problem diplomats have tended to shove aside in hesitant steps towards Middle East peace.”

Walter Cronkite, September 6, 1970
Early Afternoon

New York-Bound Plane Hijacked

At 12:20pm local time, terrorists armed with guns and hand grenades seize TWA Flight 74, a Boeing 707 traveling from Frankfurt to New York, carrying 145 passengers and ten crew members.

Terrorists Screened

Four Palestinian terrorists are detained while boarding El Al Flight 219, a Boeing 707 departing Amsterdam for New York. Prior to its 1:20pm scheduled departure, security removes two of the group because their passport numbers are sequential. The other two militants, Leila Khaled and Patrick Arguello, board the plane.

Second Plane Hijacked

At 1:14pm local time, Palestinian terrorists seize Swissair Flight 100, a DC-8 en route from Zurich to New York, carrying 143 passengers and twelve crew members.

Mid Afternoon – Third Plane Hijacked

At 1:45 pm local time, Leila Khaled and Patrick Arguello run towards the cockpit on El Al Flight 219, holding grenades and shouting. Pilot Uri Bar Lev puts the plane into a nose dive. In the confusion, Arguello shoots a flight steward, security guards restrain Khaled, and an air marshal mortally wounds Arguello. The hijacking has failed and the flight heads to London to land.

Terrorists Board Fourth Plane

Between 2pm and 3pm local time — after Amsterdam airport security staff fail to detect pistols and a concealed grenade — the two terrorists who had been removed from El Al Flight 219 take first-class seats on a Pan Am 747 jumbo jet, Flight 93 departing for New York.

Late Afternoon – Hijacking of Third Plane Fails

Less than twenty minutes after the attempted hijacking, Pilot Uri Bar Lev lands the El Al Flight at Heathrow Airport in London. Police escort Leila Khaled and Patrick Arguello to a nearby hospital. Arguello dies en route and authorities arrest Leila Khaled for the attempted hijacking of El Al Flight 219.

Fourth Plane Hijacked

At 3:30pm local time, the two terrorists commandeer Pan Am Flight 93 en route from Amsterdam to New York, carrying 152 passengers and 23 crew members.

Early Evening – First Plane Lands in Jordan

At 6:45pm local time, the first hijacked plane, TWA Flight 74, lands in Jordan at Dawson Field, a desert airstrip which the terrorists dub “Revolution Airport.”

Second Plane Lands in Jordan

At 6:55pm local time — ten minutes after TWA Flight 74 lands — the second hijacked plane, Swissair Flight 100, lands at Revolution Airport.

Late Evening – Fourth Plane Diverted

Hijackers divert Pan Am Flight 93, the jumbo 747, from its New York route to refuel in Beirut. The pilots have convinced them that the plane is too large to land at the desert airfield in Jordan. In Beirut, nine more Palestinian terrorists board the plane and wire it with explosives before it departs at 9:35pm local time for Cairo.

Standoff With Hostages

At 11:00pm, the Jordanian army surrounds the two planes that have landed at Revolution Airport with tanks and artillery. Three hundred and ten hostages prepare for a tense night in the desert.

Negotiations and Another Hijacking
September 7-12, 1970

A Mate (also on posting) was with his wife & kids coming back on the Monday Morning 7 Sep 1970 ex ZRH to LHR but was unable to checkin as not allowing anyone through – was 2 days late for work – We got out OK

PS we travelled Airline standby with Harry Potter Ford Anglia from Lydd to Le Touquet on British Air Ferries Bristol Freighter – over Channel at 1,000 ft, back Le Touquet to Lydd at 2,000ft

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 12, 2023 5:15 pm

Q. How many Indian/Filipino peasants died constructing all those white elephant stadiums in Qatar for the FIFA world cup?

A. Heaps apparently.

Why not bring over a ton of Pallies or Lebos etc to build the stuff? They are fellow travelers and could do with some work? LOL

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 5:16 pm

PPS Note why Arab Countries do NOT want Palestinian Refugees even back then

Resolution
September 13-28, 1970

On September 16, while the terrorists are still holding the remaining hostages,

heavy fighting breaks out in Jordan between the Palestinian Liberation Organization — of which the P.F.L.P. is one faction — and the Jordanian army.

On September 27, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser summons P.L.O. leader Yasser Arafat and Jordan’s King Hussein to Cairo and brokers a settlement. Nasser will die of a heart attack the next day.

By the end of September, all the remaining hostages will be released.

The six P.F.L.P. hijackers held in European jails, including Leila Khaled, will be released without punishment.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 12, 2023 5:17 pm

Comment, on the Oz, suggesting that “Palestinians really should have their own country…”

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 12, 2023 5:20 pm

after 911, the US intel services were scrambling around for Arab speakers as they hardly had anyone in intel who spoke Arabic.

LOL. Sure.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:20 pm

Ozzie

At the time, was any of that considered religiously inspired or basically the ongoing Pali/ Israel dispute? The PLO was running both the West Bank and Gaza then.

Rabz
November 12, 2023 5:24 pm

A hamarsed moozley: Hey goils, like to engage in some murderous rapey stuff?

Goils: BLAAAM!

🙂

Lee
Lee
November 12, 2023 5:24 pm

Comment, on the Oz, suggesting that “Palestinians really should have their own country…”

Idiot.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 12, 2023 5:25 pm

Take 2… Burgatory CEO doubles down on the stupid playing the victim…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739361/Pro-Palestine-Israel-rallies-Sydney-Melbourne.html

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:26 pm

LOL. Sure.

If you know better then provide some evidence other than a one freaking word assertion. The WSJ and other newspapers were saying how they were scrambling for Arab speakers after 911.

The Cold War was done and it looked like the Camp David Accords had quietened the Pali/ Israel conflict. The world was at peace in the 90s and it looked like it was going to continue.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 5:26 pm

JC
Nov 12, 2023 5:20 PM

Ozzie

At the time, was any of that considered religiously inspired or basically the ongoing Pali/ Israel dispute? The PLO was running both the West Bank and Gaza then.

JC,

I believe ongoing Pali/ Israel dispute, but not certain

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 5:29 pm

I was driving a 4 wheel drive tractor down the side of a steep hill in a gluge of mud . Brake were out of the question. I let my work mate ride on the running board rather than make him trudge, I could see he was dreaming… and he fell off … right in front of my Tyres … his eyes made contact with mine just before he rolled out of harm ..scant feet in it …I was young and inexperienced ..

If I had it to do again .. and I have .. you trudge and you Live.

Does that make me a Leftie ?

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 12, 2023 5:35 pm

JC. Islam had been a big problem for yonks before 9/11, but was really ramping up in the years just beforehand. USS Cole etc.

But the CIA had hardly anyone that could speak Arabic? One of the larger languages on the planet? Come on.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 12, 2023 5:36 pm

Why Are Muslim Countries Poorer? – VisualEconomik EN

From the Comments

– As a Nigerian, here’s my simple answer: Bad geography, poor social and economic systems, poor political systems, failing legal and social institutions, dutch disease, tribalism and others. Also, the colonialism excuse is just lazy and mainly used by tribalist Arabs as an excuse. Same way Pan-Africans use it as an excuse for Africa’s failings.

– As a Taiwanese, I often felt sorry for the people living in countries that were colonized before. Until one day, I suddenly realized that Taiwan was also a colony of Japan from 1895-1945, and yet we now produce most of the world’s best chips and high tech products.

– Max Weber’s work on the Protestant Work Ethic is instructive in the transformation of European economics. The rise of Protestantism occurred primarily in Germanic speaking countries which also were highly individualistic in outlook (rather than collectivistic).

This emergence of personal agency and individualism transformed worldviews toward entrepreneurialism and democracy, even among the poorer classes bringing economic and social reform.

By contrast, Muslim majority nations tend to be hierarchical, collectivist cultures with a lack of personal agency summed in the phrase “as God wills.”

– I was in Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia and there I sometimes talked to ordinary people. They always said that the problem is that Islam, unlike Catholicism and other religions, never changes, Islam is practically still in the Middle Ages

– India and Pakistan is a classic example. Both became independent at the same time. Pakistan was stuck with its Islamic laws and left far behind. The country has nothing to speak for itself after 75 years. I saw a presentation made by a Pakistani professor who attributed most of it to the religion.

– Iran was one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and this wasn’t solely based on oil. The Shah’s economic and social reforms had paid massive dividends in the decades after the Anglo-Soviet invasion. Prior to the coup the popularly elected government was on the way to destroying themselves by nationalizing foreign owned assets and the usual anti foreign engagement Muslim countries engage in. After the Islamic revolution the economy collapsed and the state became a pariah.

In Islamic countries they are taught “what” to think, not “how” to think.

As an outsider looking in all the Muselim states look chaotic and when they come to Western countries they introduce their chaos. They appear to be blinded by their religion and expend a great deal of effort on it. I dont think you could say they’re open to ideas so remain firmly rooted in the past.

As a citizen of the so called “Arab world”, I can without a doubt say the main reason is: FAILURE TO CATCH UP WITH THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. For centuries the main source of wealth for the arab world was “Jihad” and the collection of as many taxes as possible from the most lands you can conquer. Blaming it on colonialism is just a lazy way of playing the victim and not taking responsibility which is quite the norm here. Also I may add: failure to adopt foreign commerce laws, ostracizing women from the work field, bureaucracy and nepotism…

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 12, 2023 5:36 pm

Tell us from your apartment.

`Yes , it was a bit snarky. You’re correct. Shouldn’t have put that in.

But you really haven’t answered the question about the Fraser decision, against advice, to import muslim criminals to Australia from Lebanon.

And, do you support the antics on the steps of the Opera House?

Arky
November 12, 2023 5:36 pm

Flying High! (1980) terrorist scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHZISoNlqAA

Rabz
November 12, 2023 5:36 pm

We would rather have had John Wayne

Nookular Nightmare Diplomacee …

Was it really that bad, Cats?

I mean, we are still here, right?

Although when you’re talking about mad millennialist monsters it could get somewhat complex.

They would just love to go down in a global inferno ….

Mark Bolton
Mark Bolton
November 12, 2023 5:40 pm

@Barking Toad
Nov 12, 2023 5:36 PM

Yes I remember it well …the Lebanese were delighted to get rid of those appalling hillbillies .

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 12, 2023 5:40 pm

1500 years of constant battle. We are up against people who want to die. Nothing can stop them, no metal detector, no security perimeter, no stand off area, no facial recognition.. Let’s get it straight it is not Nazism, it is Islam.

On our recent cruise, as we went to ports down the Adriatic from Trieste, Cats may remember that I harped on about one thing re the stops we made: everywhere there was a history of fighting off the Ottomans, and a bloody and deadly history it was of attacks and defense, right down to Corfu and the Battle of Lepanto. You cannot travel that coastline without being aware of this existential threat of Islamic invaders in the past and the present, nor indeed move around this part of the Mediterranean, as in Rhodes or Crete, and be unaware of how the Ottomans sought to prevail.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 12, 2023 5:40 pm

BJ earlier

Are the “professional” lifeguards funded by local councils part of SLSA? I thought that they are a different group, trying to boost numbers and dollars?

Ah, yes.
No doubt the “growing calls” are coming from someone with an eye on a mandated income stream.
Of course, the new regulations would come with penalties, so parents carefully supervising their kids in a shallow river pool would suddenly find themselves on the end of a $400 fine for not having a Cert III in water rescue.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 12, 2023 5:41 pm

Cassie, like almost everyone here, I sympathise with your situation. But you’re getting caught up in hysteria. It doesn’t help.

Pull back and close down the emotions. You need a cool head and dispassionate assessments in these conditions. The risk to you is actually small, at present, and the risk of the Nazis taking over is negligible. Nobody likes the buggers.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:42 pm

You have to adore the Harry Hindsighters, such as Barking Harry and Leadership. The only Muslim commentary I can really remember reading here in recent years was from Cronkite on occasion, and even that had tapered off over the years as things calmed down.

Then 7/10 happens, and all the hints emerge from the word work or, in certain cases, from destroyed garages, informing us that if only Fraser had the insight some forty years prior, as all the evidence was readily apparent.

Even Israeli intelligence was surprised by 7/10, as conditions in the Middle East were actually rather good in a relative sense.

It’s not foresight because it’s difficult for humans to anticipate the future. The response to events is what matters.

But again, if only Fraser knew what was going to happen 40 years hence.

miltonf
miltonf
November 12, 2023 5:45 pm

JC and others, I reckon the concept of Islamic fundamentalism was well known by the late 70s after the Iranian revolution. I also recall enemies of Australia in Arncliffe in Sydney carrying pictures of Khomeini in the late 70s. Sickened me as 16 yo then and still sickens me that shite like that is and was tolerated.

Winston Smith
November 12, 2023 5:46 pm

Several examples attesting to “History starts when I was born” here today.

JC
JC
November 12, 2023 5:47 pm

Zafiro
Nov 12, 2023 5:35 PM

JC. Islam had been a big problem for yonks before 9/11, but was really ramping up in the years just beforehand. USS Cole etc.

But the CIA had hardly anyone that could speak Arabic? One of the larger languages on the planet? Come on.

Yes and now STFU.

After 911, did the US government agencies have a shortage of fluent arab speakers
ChatGPT

Yes, after the 9/11 attacks in 2001, there was a recognized shortage of fluent Arabic speakers in the United States, particularly those with expertise in Middle Eastern languages and cultures. The demand for individuals proficient in Arabic became more critical as the U.S. government and intelligence agencies sought to enhance their capabilities in understanding and responding to events in the Middle East and combating terrorism.

The shortage was evident in various sectors, including government agencies, the military, intelligence services, and even in the private sector. The lack of Arabic speakers hindered effective communication, intelligence gathering, and diplomatic efforts in the region. Recognizing this gap, efforts were made to increase the number of individuals learning Arabic and studying Middle Eastern affairs.

In subsequent years, there were initiatives to improve language education programs, offer incentives for individuals to learn Arabic, and increase funding for language-related studies. Nonetheless, addressing such shortages takes time, and the immediate need for Arabic speakers post-9/11 highlighted the importance of investing in language and cultural expertise for national security and international relations.

C.L.
C.L.
November 12, 2023 5:47 pm

Fraser didn’t have to be Shin Bet or Nostradamus to know it was a stupid idea to import Mohammedians to a Christian country, JC.

  1. Well at least she wasn’t dragged through the streets of Flemington on the back of the HiAce. Hun: Premier Jacinta…

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