Gotta start somewhere, even if it is second…
Gotta start somewhere, even if it is second…
Am I lucky this morning?
3 down. Australia will probably lose tomorrow. Despite all the bullshit, I still support Australia.
Well spotted Ceres.
At this moment in time, Jasprit Bumrah is playing his 41st Test and is holding a bowling average of 19.94.…
Rosie
Nov 14, 2023 10:27 AM
Yes it is, and don’t you dare forgetting it.
The woman must be a superhero, whatever is the subject, she lived it, suffered it, but being brave and super capable, not to mention multi-talented as she is, she overcame all the hurdles cruel life thrown in her path to come out unscathed with perky tits to boot.
Old Ozzie @ 7.57am:
Man! Your health trials make me ashamed of my puerile complaints about long recovery (for me) from Covid- indeed, from even contracting the creepy Wuhan export.
Wishing you all the very best – as, I am sure, all Cats do.
Well said!
I recently watched Broker, a Korean movie of a different kind. Not a soapie, a drama about selling babies. Well done and by the same director who did Parasite. That’s a great movie. Currently watching Vigilante, a Korean series about a trainee copper deciding to do what the courts won’t do.
Zelensky Tried to Capture Russia in 2012?
Some say that life is a movie, which is certainly the case for Volodymyr Zelensky. Zelensky is first and foremost an actor. He was a proper choice as a puppet president because he could successfully parade around as if he were a concerned leader when he only cares about stuffing his pockets with the USD while his own people perish. In 2012, two years before the Ukrainian Revolution, Zelensky was parading around as Napolean in a comedy where he invades and attempts to capture Russia but fails.
“Rzhevsky vs. Napoleon” was released on the 200th anniversary of Napoleon’s failed invasion of Russia in 1812. Life truly is stranger than fiction at times. In the film, Zelensky portrays an over-the-top comedic version of Napolean and invades Moscow. A man dressed as a woman, acting as a Russian spy, seduces Zelensky in the film. He ultimately loses the war due to sheer stupidity. So while Putin was president, making serious life and death decisions for a nation, Zelensky was running around like an utter fool. Hence, Ukraine banned the film in 2015 prior to Zelensky being installed as president. But nothing can ever truly be deleted from the internet.
When the real Napolean attempted to conquer St. Petersburg, he failed largely due to Russian Field Marshal Mikhail Kutuzov. Kutuzov knew he could starve out France’s army, leaving them to battle the harsh winter without supplies. Ukraine would have been depleted of its resources as well, but the West has prevented that from happening.
There is a reason that this film is banned in Ukraine, and most have never heard of the title. How could you take this man seriously as a leader after watching this nonsense? Should Britain ask Mr. Bean to become the Prime Minister? Perhaps Adam Sandler would do a better job in office than Joe Biden. Zelensky is an absolute joke, and one should wonder why governments have given him hundreds of billions when he is not qualified to lead even an imaginary army. Zelensky has always been after fortune and fame — he is NOT a real leader.
https://youtu.be/DV55fEVOuqU
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/humor/zelensky-tried-to-capture-russia-in-2012/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS
Johanna: Some of her surname’s best syllables are Jewish.
Watching Q&A last night and left wondering what on earth they thought they (the ABC) were doing. What did they think would happen ? Karvelas waving a list of questions and proclaiming peace in our time ?
Intoning sanctimoniously ‘I believe in a two state solution’ yet everything on the program showed why that will never happen.
The Chappell/ Botham standoff had more integrity. At least they didn’t smother their hatred under the warm doona of a supposed ‘solution’.
I read this in the Ann Frank House when we visited. The historians try to be fair with the numbers, and to look at the unusual circumstances of the occupation in Holland, which explains some of the differential in Jewish deportation from Holland in comparison to lesser numbers France and Belgium. But the betrayals did happen, probably due in part to increasing hunger on the part of the population trying to support hidden families. This is in some way understandable.
However, it is also that case that the Nazis were sold on the idea of the Dutch as blonde blue-eyed Aryans and it seems some of the Dutch bought into that as well.
Whatever, the past happened and no point dwelling there. I was brought to tears by Ann Frank’s pasted up pictures of American film stars on her little bit of wall, torn out of magazines. Poor little kid, she was so full of hope and goodwill.
I’m an anti authoritarian so consider me only a temporary alie.
This is probably nothing;
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Interest payments on US debt.
Was there ever a study made about the number of ailments by male-female?
Who is worse off?
I bring this up whenever I asked about my religion by some government apparatchik – pointing out that information given *now* might be harmful in the future.
The response? A shrug or blank look – always…
Just a few weeks ago, Team Sky was hailing Squishy Rishi’s promise to ban cars in 2035 rather than 2027 (or whatever) as a conservative “we’re back, baby” moment in the history of the West.
Mme Zulu’s mother survived the “Hunger Winter” – she maintained all her days that no -one knew how they would react, until they actually found themselves in that situation.
Me either.
Pro-Palestinian Demonstrators Smash Grand Central, Vandalize New York Times (10 Nov)
I suspect this was correctly seen as a warning by all other MSM papers: support Israel at your peril, Molotov cocktails are cheaper than newspaper offices.
Of course plod could stop to this sort of thing if they wanted to. It’s a complete mystery why they don’t.
Bourne1879
May be worth pondering the differences between regional airlines and fast rail.
* As fast as rail can be, it’s hard to match 600+km/h.
* Possible for operators to use FIFO market going to places that are unpopular but big value-add to business to help offset other destination costs. Can’t do that with rail.
* more..?
Thanks Zulu, for the link to Andy Stewart late last evening. To my total dismay and embarrassment as a teenager, my dad was dragging me and my siblings along to Festival Hall to every Stewart concert, along with Kenneth McKellar and Moira Anderson, while my school mates were lining up for the Beatles. My shame was complete.
You’ve reminded me that after six decades I still know all their songs, accent and word perfect, even if i can’t remember where I left my reading glasses.
I now have a much better understanding of the longing for home my dad must have felt, despite his great love for Australia. I wish I’d been more sympathetic. But teenagers were and are, ever so.
Who a you!?!?
Me? I’m Ba’Ma’.
After BLM, Defund the Police, revolving door bailouts and the Floyd corruptathon, and the border debacle letting millions, do you blame the NY cops for saying “fk it, if this is what they want then they can have it.” I bet their families are saying something like that.
This is how societies and civilizations disintegrate. Slowly at first, then fast. The result being at some point Marshall Law- which punters will beg for when the chaos and violence become too much to bear. This is the strategy the Left are attempting to employ in the US. And why they are so hell bent on stopping Trump.
Megan I didn’t go to the concerts but we did have a lot of records. Don’t think I ever recovered.
Dot
Nov 14, 2023 9:12 AM
Here’s the thing regarding that court decision.
Parole should be a judicial matter to make it justiciable.
The character test should be a prerogative power vested in the Immigration Minister or PM or their delegate and non justiciable.
All of the bad things from that High Court decision go away.
Correct. This HC under the woke guidance of the new chief is going to blur the lines between the separation of powers.
Vicki:
I tried to get to the Prince Charles skin clinic a year ago after transplant Rx when I started growing a few lumps and bumps that were a bit dodgy. Expected, not a problem.
Couldn’t get into the Clinic – full of subcontinentals, asians, arabs etc. All with daughters/family to translate, and most with multiple health issues.
Apart from some of the staff, I was the only one obviously Anglo.
Walked out – waiting time well into the afternoon.
I had the misfortune to inherit the lot, vinyl, cassette and CD. Can’t bring myself to take them to the Salvos yet, but I doubt they would even take them off my hands.
Nanny Neil Mitchell 3aw is putting forward the concept of banning foreign flags to ease tensions.
Yes folks, he’s that thick.
Another pressing issue: was Max Schreck really a vampire?
Whatever.
An acolyte of the feral valkyrie speaks a mouthful of regurgitated garbage.
I won’t invite you to my 82nd birthday party if you’re not careful.
Thats for the 600 km point to point. Add “be at the airport at least an hour to check-in & go through security” (and at busy times like easter allow 3!) then add at least a 30 minute trip from City to airport, and a “bugger factor” and your 1 hour “flight” can easily take 2-3.
Initially for the fast rail they are proposing Syd – NTL which is at least a 4 hour ‘flight’ – NTL to MEL/BNE/OOL then a wait then the flight from MEL/BNE/OOL to NTL source
https://www.cheapflights.com.au/flight-search/SYD-NTL/2023-11-21/2023-12-14?sort=bestflight_a.
The last numbers I saw (pre covid) had 30-35k cars a day head down the M1 to Sydney from just the Central Coast. No idea what the traffic from Newcastle to Sydney /Newcastle Central Coast is, but last time there was a fatality on the M1, the traffic on the M1 & Pacific Highways the backup was at least 10km
Regarding the “Hunger Winter” – Mme Zulu’s mother told the story about the lady from down the street, knocking on the door one night. “Come quickly – bring the children. We have MEAT!” When asked about the source of the meat “You know the collaborator that lives down the street, and the fine, big dog he has – he used to have?”
Three respectable Dutch matrons had lured the dog away, killed it, cut it up and cooked it…
I’ve commented on this before; the only version of History taught in our curriculum is that which is designed to impress guilt upon our kids. breeding activists by the time they leave school. Ditto for the climate hoax, indigenies etc.
The purpose of our Marxism infested ed system is to breed leftist activists.
Absolutely agree with this.
Years ago, I discovered my kids were being presented to by the AYCC, Australian Youth Climate Coalition, at their private school, who made ambit claims about climate change causing earthquakes and volcanoes eruptions .. much drama and fear mongery was pitched in excited tones I was told. Helpful ways for them to contribute to the AYCC’s coffers and how to convince their families of the plight.
I rang the school to enquire about this and what other activities were planned for the students. I was told that the school encourages students to be come active in current events and to help shape the world the way they want it.
I also asked if the people presenting were checked out in any way personally, was the material fact-checked beforehand even.
Nope, all good, they had no clue what was going to be pitched all they knew was that these groups contact the school and are welcomed in because activism is good.
The bastards have to concern at all for the paying parents or giving any balance to the meaterial pitched at kids.
The left are so far ahead of the right side of politics it is absurd to think we have any chance for generations unless something quite major happens to change this.
I know first hand how far reaching the left control the early learning of our children and then it will be their children and every year, their propaganda is more evolved.
The Voice went too early, in 10 years it will be a shoe in.
Dial-a-death:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/14/mp-kate-chaney-launches-bid-to-overturn-ban-on-accessing-assisted-dying-appointments-via-telehealth
Some sensible advice from the burrower of Beaconsfield.
Politicians urge Melbourne school children to stay away from pro-Palestine protest next week amid rising tensions over Israel-Hamas war in Australia (Sky, 14 Nov)
Seeing that big finance companies are blacklisting students who protest in support of Hamas baby murderers it would be wise to attend to that recommendation kids.
Oh, I forgot.
Tits report. Still firm, unlined and perky enough braless under a t-shirt.
Genes and oestrogen, Kevni, you sad case, genes and oestrogen.
Won’t last forever, not quite what they were sixty years ago, but still making hay in the good old Aussie sunshine.
1. They’re not “our” kids.
2. I disagree. Let them protest. It will publicise the fact that Mohammedanism is an evil, false and violent cult. The more people convinced of this the better.
GO!
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
I have to agree with that.
Unless you are a saint, nobody can tell how they would react in a certain situation.
We are human.
Boambee John
I give you the example of the West Australian Hospital Management staff who – just coincidentally – was the mirror image of the local Church.
Department of Health (Or whatever they call themselves now) was notified, but nothing done because too hard.
Entryism – not just for the Left.
Shadow of the vampire is very, very good with the whole ” was he really a vampire” story
Testicles report: huge, vibrating and full o’ sap.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 14, 2023 11:37 AM
There you go, you take it all too seriously.
Never mind, as you go.
A quick look at The Monthly magazine. Verdict on the Voice defeat. ” We are still living John Howard’s Australia. ” May their nightmares last for all eternity.
Yes. We can only do our best and talk out grandkids out of it.
Our kids are something of a lost cause.
Of course, that’s not everyone’s experience, but it is mine.
Which I must apologise most humbly for presenting here, of course?
Nope. Feck off, Kevni and your ilk.
That hunger winter gave rise to some studies investigating the impact that had on adults whose mothers were pregnant at that time. The silver lining of that event was it highlighted the importance of maternal care during pregnancy. There is a certain demographic in Australia that might consider why so many are dying younger than the rest of the population and have more health issues.
For those interested:
https://jamesclear.com/hunger-winter-stress
Gaza update …
https://youtu.be/D7JNmUDtelc
Shadow of the vampire is very, very good with the whole ” was he really a vampire” story
Yes it was; and stories persist about the making of Noseratu and the number of deaths among the crew. Max and his wife were regarded as a strange couple and there is no record of Max’s body after his recorded death!
Diogenes
Nov 14, 2023 11:32 AM
The airport waiting is a fair point I’d forgotten about – I suppose it is one of those inconveniences that stops being seen as a problem once you accept it as inevitable.
Except it isn’t inevitable it is an economic trade-off contingent on technology and demand.
A 320km/h top speed seems even more feasible in a country which is mostly flat and is not prone to earthquakes (okay, well, there is that Newcastle bit I s`pose.)
Suddenly the 600km/h becomes effectively 300km/h and the bullet looks competitive.
A similar point was made about flying cars being able to reduce the door-to-door travel time by not needing airports.
The Jewish vanity press. For when you’re even unemployable by the Grauniad but need an income so you can’t go freelance.
Uh.
Marshall Law is an Australian television series, which aired on the Seven Network in 2002, starring Lisa McCune and Alison Whyte as lawyers and sisters.
I can see why the punters would beg for that.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Better we can see exactly who they are than have them beavering away at their evil in the dark.
Nov 14, 2023 8:07 AM
Vicki:
Daughter was in the passport office, because there was a problem the post office couldn’t fix.
All staff subconts, once one of them get to a prominent position in the department the rest follow.
Sorry if I sound like some other poster, but it is a fact.
You think I am serious here? Well, fark me.
You can come to my birthday party after all, Kevni. 🙂
so much of their speech, special interests, victimhood obsession and argumentation is shame based
disagree with one and watch
doesn’t matter what their cause is you wrong-thinkers can be summed up neatly with a pejorative(s) … ya climate-denying, nanna-killing, trump supporting, nazi, islamophobes !!
I think they’re trying to build a Perpetual Shame Machine
Dick report.
Need some air in the wheelbarrow tyre.
Yep. Like hires like.
I saw it on many a selection committee I sat on in Academia.
True, Kevni, true fact. I have an academic CV five pages long to prove it.
Show you at my birthday party!
Minor problem. The Jews are the indigenous of Israel and the Palis are the blow-ins. But then facts never matter to the committed ignorant.
CL – Letting kids protest in support of Hamas is like unto letting kids have their cocks or nipples cut off for “gender affirmation”.
Keep them from making such mistakes until they’re 18, then they can do whatever they want to themselves.
Should have gone to Specsavers.
“Gabor
Nov 14, 2023 11:02 AM
Man! Your health trials make me ashamed of my puerile complaints about long recovery (for me) from Covid- indeed, from even contracting the creepy Wuhan export.
Was there ever a study made about the number of ailments by male-female?
Who is worse off?”
Well, statistically men die younger.
LOL Sancho.
I will tell that one to Hairy. He’s just got up, would you believe?
No, no, no, can’t say that, can I? What’s that word for it – ‘phrasing’.
It’s true though. He’s slept in till mid-day today after spending half the early hours watching something on TV. I haul off to bed just after The Late Debate, and was up for the tree man at seven am. Ships in the nite, we are, I tell him, as I make a grab at a hug.
A hug with Hairy, not the tree man, who is a nice young chap but sartorially not my style. Can’t beat Hairy in his dressing gown for a shared cup of tea. Late elevenses for me. Pre lunch repast for him.
Another LOL, Sancho. You are in good form today.
Much is in the eye of the beholder, as the sages of the ages tell us.
Keep pushing that wheelbarrow. 🙂
Thanks shaterzzz. The good guys are winning- big. More power to their arm. But looking for more positive news about the hostages.
It’s almost as if morals & ethics & community standards & religious principles that underpinned the “west” for generations were replaced by another set that we never selected.
Now shaming has been shifted onto a set of issues that results in transfer of power to the “new generation”, or their backers at least.
Crossie:
Shorten is typical of our political class who will piss on Australia for a ten minute rise in the polls, while hoping the shit doesn’t hit the fan until he’s safely ensconced in his gated community safe house.
A few months ago I spoke to someone who provides counselling services to postgrad students. He told me how they handle campus but in the wider world become rather anxious. I have 3 nephews under 40 years and they are fine but something is going on with the under 40’s. There is a big spike in depression and anxiety with no clear explanation for that(I don’t accept the arguments of Haidt and Hari).
It’s weird MT. One personal encounter though makes me very concerned about the teaching profession. Over a decade ago now, an English teacher. So full of Lacan and Foucault, so much psychoanalytic mumbo jumbo, and he was teaching children. I asked him if there is any attempt to teach logic to high school students. He said that is what English is now about. FMD!
Now, back to the lecture of how aspirin helps stop cancer … .
2 reports which need to be read side by side:
China Will Guarantee Financial Support for Coal-Fired Power Plants
China to dominate global solar manufacturing to 2026 says Wood Mackenzie
So, while the chunks are gangbusters building and subsidising their own coal plants they are simultaneously gangbusters building solar shit to export to nations which are as dumb as bricks like Australia and the US.
Winston @ 11.27am:
Yep. Friend’s son married Chinese lass, who then managed to bring her aged parents out of China (note my earlier comments on the English couple who failed whatever test the Dept had) to live with them.
Said patents – who didn’t speak a word of English- nevertheless regularly availed themselves of regular medical checks on Medicare.
Friend’s son no longer married to the Chinese woman – but I bet the parents are still rotting the system, if still around.
And I reiterate.
I am happy with the No Old Poms policy.
I agree CL.
We all know muslim children get hatred of Jews as soon as they get mother’s milk.
It’s a bit of a “too much information” kind of morning and early afternoon.
My motions are the motions of a twenty year old. Firm but fluffy.
Gabor
“All staff subconts, once one of them get to a prominent position in the department the rest follow.”
And that is under a system that is legally, and at least theoretically, merit based. Once the merit system is formally abolished, it will make ABC recruiting look like a model of probity.
Makka
The line from some Hollywood movie – “The Palestinians seduce you with their suffering.” (Even when they have to make it up and lie.)
What was that about aspirin & cancer? Nothing would surprise me about this old fashioned anti-inflammatory. Sure, too much of anything is dangerous. But it is much despised by the medicos these days.
But then, it is long off patent !
This can be stopped by requiring that patients provide medicare card AND photo id before being treated. If no photo id, pay upfront and then claim from medicare.
They will need big tunnels to get it out of Newcastle, ditto into Sydney and massive bridges to cross the Hawksbury if they run along the M1. It clearly would have benefits but mate the cost !
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 14, 2023 11:33 AM
And Operation Manna helped get food to the Dutch towards the end of WW2. The Allies did food drops from the air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zMydpYrFk8
Flinduk:
When we went into Iraq to settle that madman, I had great hopes that a democratic nation would emerge.
Several thousand of our finest soldiers later, I realise you are right and I was wrong.
What a disappointment. What a tragic waste of life.
I thought it had an inscrutable fatty teaching kung fu to cops in America’s sewer?
Carson’s Law was about pyramids and healing. Voltage is healing.
Uh oh!
Oh good, bodily functions day at the cat
Gigantic and smell no worse than a fresh baked biscuit!
@john H.
Nov 14, 2023 10:44 AM
The “kick in the arse” comment was well meant and well taken. Trying to stay informed is challenging. The MSM is clearly hopeless. There are a plethora of Independent sources that range from reliable, to insane… sadly, mostly the later. Some groups are OK with conversation. Others are not. I let it piss me off and I shouldn’t have done.
At least I learned something from that interaction.
Peace.
Sancho Panzer
Nov 14, 2023 12:12 PM
That’s alright Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. The newly arrived Muzzies can move in next door to you and take over the street. No English spoken of course.
Mrs Diogenes’ father spent 6 months in the clink for stealing a loaf of bread. Had he been older than he was, he would have been shipped off to work somewhere in Germany.
Mrs D’s aunt tells of her mother cycling 20kms each way to get 6 eggs. By the time she got through through the checkpoints she 2 left as she used the others to bribe the police/soldiers. The kids got the eggs.
Watched some of Chris Kenny’s show about Da Liberals, where he seems very keen to highlight Tony Abbott’s mis-steps when PM – allegedly out of touch!
This is the same Chris Kenny who was in, boots and all, for The Voice. It went down faster than a lead balloon.
So why should we be taking Chris’s advice about politics? Yes, he was an insider. Judgement? On some things, maybe, but certainly he put a lot of boost for his TV show last night behind those who didn’t like Tony Abbott or Peta Credlin.
And the SF Liberals replaced Abbott with the completely disastrous Turnbull.
They will need big tunnels
Uh oh!
Your fears are unfounded, the government has a new ” ex- Hamas tunnel engineer” visa in the works, word is they are already oversubscribed
cohenite IS Brigadier General Jack D Ripper.
Now, I don’t want any communist preversions.
Same.
A-grade berley. Better than bonito frames and chopped up mullet.
Anyone who has rode on the Ncl-Syd train, as I have a fair bit, will know the patronage is so small that it would take several million years to get enough on ticket sales to pay for a stupid VFT. Meanwhile you can get in a car and be in Sydney faster using the M1. Faster even than flying, since Belmont A/P closed.
I prefer the train since you can use devices, read books, or look at the rather nice scenery and not have to worry about trucks and hoons.
Tits report. Still firm, unlined and perky enough braless under a t-shirt.
I volunteer to fact check this. I’ll bring the wine.
You still have get to the station, and who knows what sort of a security check awaits?
Planes >> trains >> trucks seems to be the consensus today.
Calm down Apple Eyes.
Winston – we lost two soldiers. Both to forklift accidents.
Howard gets some bad press from righties, but he played Bush like a fiddle. Even Biden has to be nice to us because of our loyal support, with forklifts.
Oruzgan was a different fish, but also was alliance maintenance. When you are a beggar you have limited options, and you use as much leverage as you can.
Guess I am living in the past. I remember when Catallaxy Files used to be brillaint for the latest scoop. Sure there was same salty bitchery, but it was all rough and tumble and mildly amusing.
Read through a few pages of this and it all “on House” Cheerleading and Pom Pom Parades and Special Handshakes. No information of any real consequence. Also appalling dishonesty.
Part of getting older? Some institution fall by the wayside. Stay curious and stay fresh … One of these days I will have had all questions answered and all mysteries solved.
Then I will probably bloody well die.
Vicki
The worst was the Israeli soldier searching among the dead at the concert, calling out “Is there anyone alive?” The loss of hope as they searched was palpable and heartbreaking.
the public service act in Queensland has been amended to explicitly remove “merit” and replace it with “eligible”. And of course, eligible means whatever they want it to mean. It’s a Humpty Dumpty world.
The demise of bulk bill mills makes these Medicare scams less attractive.
I had two doctors complain to me several years ago about Medicare impersonations, in one case it was so blatant they refused to treat and yes, photo Id would make it much more difficult.
Still I don’t believe that refusing migration to retired people presumably without children living in Australia is evidence of racism.
It’s been very difficult to get long term visas for aged relatives in Australia for many years.
Agreed.
Put a 300km service on the line though and watch that change.
The problem is that to achieve those speeds it could only have a maximum of 4 stations, the 2 termini, one somewhere in southern Newcastle/North Lake Mac, one on the Central Coast, which would make it inconvenient for a lot of people when you factor in the time taken to get to the VFT station.
The last time there was talk of the Syd-Ncl fast train, our beloved mayor grandly announced that the Doug Eaton Memorial VFT station would be located at Ourimbah based on nothing more than a press release from the proponents.
How many times are you going to make the same comment?
It may come as a surprise but we aren’t here to entertain you.
You want a scoop?
Roger Moore is dead.
right – so a congregation of Jews with Israeli flags would have no problems walking through Lakemba, or Craigieburn. Right?
Mark Bolton
Nov 14, 2023 12:43 PM
Don’t want you to die, but on the other hand don’t procrastinate for our sake.
BTW if you hate this site so much, why bother visiting?
Bruce O’Nuke:
They are all wasting their talents ( those that have talent, and those who don’t) making videos for Paliwood.
Didntchaknow?
A vft in Australia would be a loss making machine.
Meh!
Concern trolling, bird.
I am trying to write a response for selection criteria for a 1 term contract at a hard to staff school(ie behaviour problems) next year. I will be hitting up a few retired deputies /principals for help.
and that is why it will always be unfeasible bullshit. Every would be commuter would want a station nearby, supported by the local vote chasing politican. In the end the VFT would become inevitably become a slow trot not much different to the current express services. And those that don’t fancy a commute will NIMBY.
Conricus and a British ‘journalist’
Mark – There’s been a fair bit of stuff recently which suggests that the New Cat gets mined for ledes.
I know the last few weeks we’ve been ahead by about a day on a lot of what appears on Sky and Murdoch press outlets. Always gives me a warm feeling to see something we discussed get picked up. It’s fun!
A problem is that the right and left are diverging even more starkly, so what you might find interesting isn’t discussed here, because we regard it as rubbish. Which it usually is, if you examine the exegetical background.
Entropy
Nov 14, 2023 12:44 PM
Boambee John
Nov 14, 2023 12:13 PM
Gabor
“All staff subconts, once one of them get to a prominent position in the department the rest follow.”
And that is under a system that is legally, and at least theoretically, merit based. Once the merit system is formally abolished, it will make ABC recruiting look like a model of probity.
the public service act in Queensland has been amended to explicitly remove “merit” and replace it with “eligible”. And of course, eligible means whatever they want it to mean. It’s a Humpty Dumpty world.
The MERIT system can easily be subverted. Hence it is an anagram for Mates Elevated Regardless of Intelligence or Training.
I’m not going to sleep tonight, I remembered Jimmy Shand and his Band. Sorry, why should I have all the pain.
That pesky Canberra MP:
An internal review has revealed the ACT Greens knew about teen sex allegations involving one of their former embattled MLAs a week before it was referred to police.
Former Member for Brindabella Johnathan Davis has resigned from the Legislative Assembly and the ACT Greens after misconduct allegations emerged in the media on Friday.
An internal review completed by Mr Davis’ party released on Monday states they received allegations the 31-year-old was “engaging in inappropriate behaviour with younger people” and it was possible some of those people “might be between 15 and 17”.
Daily Tele
Diogenes – The other aspect is since Covid no one bothers with cities if they can help it. The drawing power of CBDs is much reduced, through WFH and Amazon.
That eats into the prospective bums on seats for a VFT. There just isn’t much worthwhile in Sydney anymore. I haven’t gone there for a decade, since I don’t need to. There’s nothing there worth the effort.
I preferred the Soon days but that is ancient history now. It is now a much more politically oriented discussion than it used to be. For example, I just watched a lecture on aspirin and cancer. Some very surprising findings and in the time of Soon people would discuss that but not now.
Don’t stay curious. Most knowledge is useless. Go Zen: If you can’t find it where you’re standing when do you expect to wander in search of it?
Saw some photos of people carefully sifting through ashes at destroyed homes a couple of days ago.
And hamas have released another proof of life video of this time of Noa Marciano
Vivian Silver, a Canadian-Israeli peace activist who had been presumed kidnapped by Hamas, was declared dead after her remains were found at her home.
Her death was confirmed to JTA by multiple activists who said they were in touch with Silver’s family.
You are all missing the key question which underpins the viability of inter-capital Very Farce Trains.
That is, will the major stations have a Chairman’s Lounge.
Framing Israel
How the media are reporting the war against the Jews and the west
Melanie Phillips, November 14, 2023
Hamas for the first half of the Syrian war was opposed to Assad, Hezbollah, and Iran, and on the side of al Qaeda/ ISIS. It’s just lazy to think that simply because they are Muslims they have aims or interests that are identical or largely convergent.
Brave.
Very brave.
To the point of foolhardiness.
Fliyingduk:
Weren’t the Nazis helped in the Low Countries by extensive government records about citizens details?
That’s correct Dover, muslims are always fighting over who’s the most muslim muslim.
Incidentally
Interesting that Gazans are now feeling emboldened to loot Hamas depots.
The First Rule of Pork Barrels will mean this limit on stations will not be possible.
Dont know about low countries but if you visit the Shoah museum in Paris you can see the extensive records made available to the nazis (now available to people wishing to do family research).
John H – can you easily cite the time of reproduce the link to the aspirin/cancer post?Ta.
Bolt Ons
“Read through a few pages of this and it all “on House” Cheerleading and Pom Pom Parades and Special Handshakes. No information of any real consequence.”
Don’t feel obligated to stay.
Meanwhile Danistan continues:
Hundreds of school and university students have vowed to attend pro-Palestine protests during learning hours but Jacinta Allan has ruled out a government crackdown.
Hundreds of pro-Palestine student supporters are expected to rally outside of Melbourne’s US Consulate on Friday, amid rising tensions across the state’s tertiary sector.
It comes after a Melbourne pro-Palestine group came under fire for encouraging young supporters to stage a school walkout to rally on the steps of Flinders Street Station.
Political group Students for Palestine Victoria is encouraging high school and university students to gather outside the consulate at 1pm where speeches and a protest will take place, before a march down St Kilda Rd will follow.
Herald-Sun
I think we can reasonably conclude that this isn’t a “consenting adults” situation.
Mind you, there might be a bit of factional warfare involved as well.
Entropy
I suspect that Queensland is a trial balloon. If the outcry is manageable, the end of merit in public employment will spread to all jurisdictions. But, of course, “permanent” employment status will remain. Can’t have the maaates being sacked by an incoming non-leftard gummint.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 14, 2023 9:15 AM
..It can sometimes seem to outsiders who haven’t experienced an ASD child personally or in their family that people ‘go on’ too much about ASD.
People with no personal experience in such issues should defer to the ones who do, or STFU.
Just realising one’s own child’s inability to achieve their full potential is heartbreaking.
The large majority of these kids are simply maladapted to “reading” other humans’ cues. A seemingly trivial problem, but potentially life-destroying.
Also, as if they weren’t disadvantaged enough these days, the overwhelming majority are, of course, males (~99%?).
To some extent, that may be so, but every family affected has to find out about it, and sharing the info can help.
Yes. Multiple minds are always better than one.
He’s a homosexual kiddy fiddler and he’s one of ours, but we can’t admit that out loud.
Idf really are doing so badly in Gaza, nice pictures on the net of Israeli soldiers occupying the hamas parliament building.
They did him dirty.
Unless he did it, this is just a set up to screw him over.
If it isn’t, they too committed a crime.
“Had sex with a person between 11 and 26”
It’s easy to play this game. No specific allegation needs to be made.
It’s a disgusting game and if that game isn’t being played then it is another awful game with even more severe consequences.
Which is preferable to “engaging in inappropriate behaviour with older people”.
Irrespective of how perky they might imagine themselves to be.
Actually, have gone on to the net & found quite a lot of medical articles on the positive effects of aspirin on cancer, as well as cardio vascular complaints.
Yet GPS still express horror when told you take aspirin in preference to their favoured paracetamols. Dr Shankara was one of the medicos deregistered for prescribing aspirin & antihistamines to patients suffering downturns on the 8th day of Covid. It is only now that the dullards are discovering that the spike protein causes eventual micro clotting in some Covid patients.
Sancho at 1323
I have always suspected that the Section 44 dual citizenship shambles resulted from an attempted purge of non-Stalinist Greens that got out of control.
Instead of going out to dinner, buy good food. Cooking at home shows such affection. In a bad economy, it’s more important to make yourself feel good.
– Ina Garten
Another example of the innate ‘friction’ of multiculturalism
TopEnder,
Any idea why Amazon has delayed the kindle release of your latest until January?
I am prepared to get absolutely shitcanned on this until it goes all the way to the HC denying an appeal.
Nearly every single word of that block quote is a weasel word.
Allegations
Inappropriate
Younger people
Possibly higher or lower than the age of consent
This just gets silly. Unless it was reported incorrectly, the ACT police have said no complainants have come forward and there is no reason to investigate this any further.
If someone in the Australia 1 “Party” sends a letter to the Liberal Party HQ that Senator X…” is alleged to engaged in inappropriate behaviour with younger people possibly higher or lower than the age of consent”, why does the Liberal Party have to do a damned thing? If this is the case we can basically SLAPP ourselves out of a pluralist democracy. Hello kaluminators and a 1692 Salem, MA., style directorate of slimy turds, litigators and liars.
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 12:54 PM
“because we regard it as rubbish. Which it usually is, if you examine the exegetical background.”
and indeed it is.
I am more interested in “hour hand Geopolitics” not so much the dizzying pace of the Second hand… and Science Stuff.
Also real Life experiences from interesting folks.
And I am not partisan at all.
Close.
For Asperger, the ratio is nine boys to one girl.
For autism, four boys to every girl. Girls typically are more severley affected.
“Another idea would be to hook a jet engine to the tunnel, and run it rich. That would deplete oxygen levels very quickly. I dunno what the laws of war say about such things though.”
Chicken wire and self-expanding building foam at every exit.
Physician heal thyself.
I was accurate Dover. Hamas was an arm of the MB but with the decline of that organization due to Al Sisi’s coup and the hard times befalling Sunni jihadis they have edged towards Iran and the Shia. Strong horse and all that.
In Syria Hamas were never in good odour since they were associated with the Palis in the “refugee camps”, who Syrians and Lebs detest. Assad has been allied to Hezbollah, who are Shia clients of Iran. He’s Alawite/Alevi, who are similar to Shias and are regarded as close. Some tens of thousands of Hezbies have fought for Assad’s cause, often against Sunni opponents sponsored by Erdogan, who rather likes the idea of annexing the Sunni bits in NW Syria.
The problem of course is that muzzos always line up together when there’s an external threat, like now, but when there isn’t one they collapse into “there can be only one” infighting.
Yep …. that trip, plus a couple of Afg gigs a decade later revealed to me just what corrupt lying psychopaths governments are, even the 5 eyes cuddly ones.
Would that be one of the buildings, that gay and lesbian people were thrown off?
@john H.
Nov 14, 2023 1:02 PM
Mark Bolton
Nov 14, 2023 12:43 PM
“Don’t stay curious. Most knowledge is useless. Go Zen: If you can’t find it where you’re standing when do you expect to wander in search of it?”
Now that is what I call a real “kick in the arse” !!
And most welcome !! That one I will take to the bank 🙂
Peace.
Iv shared some os my personal triels and have appreciated the genuine feedback. But I stop myself identifying with others. Doing so leads to competitive pity sessions and diminishing the seriousness.
Lots of people are dealing with troubled children. Most will do it 24/7 for the rest of their lives spending what little saving thay have.
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Forget the lecture. I followed up and found this. Very good results. Recent study. Also the good results for those with cancer but that is not included in the below study. If a person has cancer one thing they should think about is crashing protein intake and\or relying on plant protein to reduce leucine intake.
Low dose: 75-100mg. NEVER take more, take that dose on a full stomach but not an irritated stomach. There are probably better alternatives but I’ll need to study the biochem to work that out.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37302674/
Quite, the nazis were most pleased with the thoroughness of the previous dutch administration.
Yes, Dot.
All jokes aside, we need to carefully look at the language here.
“Inappropriate behaviour”?
Is that illegal?
I mean, mistaking the fish knife for the butter knife, or picking your nose on the train might be inappropriate, but not illegal.
Maybe they are just being cagey with their words to avoid being accused of prejudicial behaviour but, if that is the case, why release a statement at all?
I do suspect elements of an inter-factional bunfight here.
@john H.
Nov 14, 2023 1:54 PM
Forgive slightly OT. Aspirin is a fascinating substance. The History of it is profoundly interesting. I once manufactured a few grams of it in a Chemistry class. I am unjabbed and when i eventually got the Coof it was my “go to” for the aches and pains.
The really interesting thing about the current war is Hamas tried extremely hard to set up a situation to force all the other muzzies to come in on their side.
And they ain’t.
The Hezbies are doing some chickensh1t stuff on the northern border, just enough to be able to say they’re supporting their heroic brothers in Gaza, whilst doing the least they can get away with. Hamas in Lebanon is doing a bit too, but not much, probably because they don’t have much (and the Hezbies are probably making sure the Leb Hamas guys don’t upset any local applecarts).
As to the others, Assad is keeping a very low profile despite being technically at war with Israel (since 1967 – there’s never been a peace agreement), the various Iraqi kiddies are contenting themselves with some mortar attacks on American bases. Jordan and Egypt are keeping low profiles. The Houthis, who are far away, are popping off a couple of Iranian cruise missiles and a drone or two. And Iran is doing nuffin except pontificate.
Hamas are swinging in the breeze. They rolled the dice and got snake eyes.
So far the accusations against the greens chap appear to be on par with the ones raised against a certain high court judge back in the day.
Minus any police follow up.
Yep, blocking the tunnel entrances etec etc all sounds so simple…. but its not, and as ever, history tells us why:
– Tunnels will be multiple and different
– Terraforming the surface with high explosives creates rubble which further adds to cover andconcealment
– The occupants may well dig themselves out after being entombed
– The tunnels are only *one* way Hamas csn move about and hide, they will hide in the rubble, the buildings and, as Mao observed, ‘by swimming amongst the sea of the people’.
Measuring success by where the IDF goes above ground, body counts and ‘tunnel counts’ will ultimately prove about as accurate for Israel in Gaza as it did for the US in Vietnam, and Iraq, and Afghanistan…..
True words and wise.
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 2:03 PM
As regards your take on Hamas ? …. My sentiments entirely … Mate you nailed it!
Hey we could both be wrong but …?
Ahh Quaintarse. Years ago the Q Frequent Flyer program offered ‘rewards’ in the newly minted Telecom (I don’t think it was Telstra, then) shops. The list was the usual pens and junk. But they did not limit it to those items. It was whatever was in the shop.
Then Telecom started flogging computers and bigger items. Obviously Sales forgot to talk to Marketing. At that stage you had to mail a request for your Frequent Flyer points to be sent to you in Telecom notes (I should have kept a few). I dutifully collected $3K in one dollar Telecom notes and fronted up with the thick wad for all my office gear. They, at first, refused to allow me to take the gear. I was aghast! and stood my ground. After a few hours of calls, sweaty shop assistants, managers, middle and senior, I got my booty.
Marking people are so creative they are a dumb as ice cream. Gotto love them.
When IDF say they have secured a particular area I believe them.
They’ve kind of mentioned they have captured quite a few tunnel plans, which might have helped.
Yep
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 2:03 PM
Some have likened 7/10 to the Tet Offensive (cant recall if it was here or elsewhere) …
Intriguing..
Others, and more prolifically; 9/11 … probably a less useful paradigm…
I am imagining the mindset of the Hamas brass when they were dreaming this one up.
Not a nice place to go…
Been a Godsend for me. For a year I’ve had a version of long Covid where you get a lot of a certain inflammatory polypeptide expressed in nasal secretions, which then causes lymph tissue in the throat and sinuses swell up. Particularly affect males.
One asprin tablet and the swelling goes down in about 5 minutes, like magic. Antihistamine tablets (I use double dose loratidine) reduces the inflammatory secretion problem but it takes an hour to kick in, so the asprin is a wonderful short action fix.
The fun thing is I got long covid without ever realizing I ever had covid. So mild it was. But the biochemical changes have been interesting, albeit a proverbial pain in the bum. I’m not a fan of Chinese war virus designers.
Surely another problem for hamas is resupply, they have stockpiles but can they get resupply from their friends outside gaza?
That must eventually pinch.
You should watch “Pepsi, Where’s My Jet?”.
Epic marketing failure to asterisk an outlandish rewards offer.
And if ordinary gazans are looting hamas storage facilities the pinch might come even quicker.
ISIS was smashed by the Syrians and the Russians, not the US. Still, you haven’t demonstrated my selectivity, in fact the opposite since I hold both sides to blame for the disasters of the last several decades.
Being critical doesn’t imply being anti-American. The US doesn’t install ‘stool pigeons’? What do you think Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan was, or Ayad Allawi in Iraq?
No, I didn’t say that the US was supporting ISIS in Syria. I said that the Opposition to Assad was predominantly ISIS/ al Qaeda so supporting the other groups, if they succeeded in overthrowing Assad would have effectively delivered Syria into the hands of ISIS. Still, there is evidence that early on, they did provide funding and training to ‘moderate’ jihadis that were in fact members of ISIS gaming the system. Lastly, I never said that non-ISIS groups were ISIS, see above.
Try desloratadine. It’s newer to the market as a generic and IMO works better. Less side effects too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desloratadine
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 2:15 PM
“Been a Godsend for me. For a year I’ve had a version of long Covid ”
I only got the abbreviated version and so did just about everyone in my neighborhood … I have had worse hangovers… (Actually I should start working on another right now 😉 ..it made me really moody .. not unusual for this correspondent, but my neighbours said it got them like that too.
I have heard of “Long Covid” but was never sure if it was “a thing” .. since you report it I now put weight on it …
So much the Gubberment told us, but so little they actually seem to know.
Mark – The Cong were pretty decent as far as I’ve heard, although I haven’t read much on that war. Hamas are diabolical devils from Hell by comparison.
Tet, as a surprise, yes. I suspect Mossad and Shin Bet were too busy chasing horrible righties in the Judicial Reform kerfuffle and took their eyes off the ball. Israel has its own mini-me deep state.
Pearl Harbor is a closer analogy, since it generated revulsion so powerful that the Allies required Japan to surrender unconditionally. The Knesset formally declared war on Oct 8 for the first time in 40 years, so the situation is similar. And I suspect the feeling on the ground in Israel is not unlike the outrage in the US on 8 Dec 1941.
Fortunately for Hamas the Israelis would never nuke Gaza like Hiroshima, it’s too close to Israel to do that.
I believe about 50% of it.
I have no doubt they are capturing good intel, from documentary, telecoms and human sources.
I also think they might be playing an unsettling psy-ops game. Imagine being in a tunnel and seeing an IDF presser claiming to have maps of your part of the tunnel system.
cohenite IS Brigadier General Jack D Ripper.
Was that the Peter Sellers’ character?
Re: the decline of the blog. This is not true. This blog is the exemplar for resolution of genitalia issues.
Support for Humus from surrounding muzzies? Yes… Yes….Yes….. Nah. They are all so used to lying they believe it until it isn’t true. So sad, too bad.
Nerds should never be in charge. Easily flattered, too needy and lack situational awareness.
He’s just goes, eff you, hit me with your best shot.
He just dusted them off. Impressive to watch!
—–
Steve Inman:
Mr Untouchable
Why do you think the want a “ceasefire”?
And why do you think they use the term “occupation” to describe tight customs control over incoming goods?
That too Sancho.
Hamas who apparently are as young as 17 without their captagon might not be relishing the war experience so much now.
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 2:15 PM
I know quite a bit about the conflict in IndoChina … lots from History books but quite a bit from anecdotes.
When I was in Vietnam it astonished me how the Vets were able to “Let the Dead Rest in Peace” … also here in Australia ..
When I came back to Australia (2016) a lot of Aussie Vets had absolute poison for me for having spoken to “The Enemy” ..
a connection was made … possible spurious? … as to why the Aboriginals …symbolicaly … dont mention the dead. It was thier Lives not Ours .. we must leave them Rest.
I take aspirin for my abdominal aortic aneurysm so I don’t get any clotting in my feet or the backs of my knees. Go straight to hospital if they start to colour up.
Captain Mandrake and Dr. Strangelove and Merkin Muffley. He played three characters.
Dover I notice you didn’t answer this:
“Everything the US does is wrong, while everything Russia does you’re fine with. Recently, you mentioned that the US has been involved in far too many wars and interventions over the past 20 years. Russia has been involved in 9 against its neighbors.”
It is a good point.
Yep. Friend’s son married Chinese lass, who then managed to bring her aged parents out of China (note my earlier comments on the English couple who failed whatever test the Dept had) to live with them.
Can I ask when approx this was?
The rules have changed a lot over the last 20 years.
Effectively now you have to pay a chunk of change to get to Australia if you are not young, skilled or a student.
And even when you pay you have to wait.
Nerds should never be in charge? My kids are all managers nerdy as all get out and are not needy nor unaware and couldn’t care less about praise.
Who “smashed” ISIS in Iraq? Their principal stronghold was in Iraq- not Syria. The Russians were fighting on the side of Assad and trying to obliterate any opposition to Assad, so don’t paint them as angels.
It’s easy to look back. If the Allies had the foresight to take out Hitler after the election there wouldn’t have been WW2. You don’t have the luxury of foresight in these circumstances. Perhaps the allies should’ve continued on Iinto Russia if we had a Time Machine to look forward.
Okay, what are some of the positive things the Americans have done since the fall of the Berlin Wall?
You appear to suggest intervention in the MidEast is a bad idea. Israel tried that with Gaza since 2005 and look where it’s got them.
The Mideast is one chess move and hope it takes out the other piece. There’s no 3D chess in that cage.
@Bruce of Newcastle
Nov 14, 2023 11:36 AM
“the burrower of Beaconsfield.”
Huge cred for the Bon Mot !! … as a bloke whos first few jobs were in the Tasmanian mining game ….
I wont even begin to try to express my utter disgust at the …”the burrower of Beaconsfield.” and the show ponying that utter piece of filth engaged in…
Good, thay are smart but not nerds, Ranga.
Hi Homer, I can also sell you a rock that keeps tigers away.
Apparently, the boomers want B-2 Stealth Bombers to hunt down drunk drivers. Bear Patrol 2.0:
I will never support the NRMA and besides roadside assistance, they can go to hell.
Notice how they didn’t prove a damned thing? It’s all feels.
The very scum of the earth I tell you.
Knocking off Israel is the useful idiots, the international left’s, biggest project.
After Rhodesia and South Africa’s demise gifted Africa to Russian and Chinese influence, they are slavering at the idea of repeating their success.
The tactics echo their previous successes. Demographics, terror, and indoctrination of Western youth.
My, how they would love a general boycott of Israel.
They smell blood and they will not stop.
No, I didn’t say that the US was supporting ISIS in Syria.
Don’t forget the Wikileaks scoop:
WikiLeaks twitter account posted an unclassified email to Hillary Clinton from her foreign policy advisor, Jake Sullivan, dated February 2012 saying, ‘”AQ is on our side in Syria.“
Or are we saying ISIS didn’t come out of the AQ ecosystem?
Beware Greeks bearing gas.
Greek owner to sell all container ships, spend $3B on LNG tankers (13 Nov)
Yep. The only thing that makes renewables work at all is fast response gas turbine generators. It’s revealing that a Greek (not bearing gifts) has worked this out.
Knocking off Israel is the useful idiots, the international left’s, biggest project. After Rhodesia and South Africa’s demise gifted Africa to Russian and Chinese influence, they are slavering at the idea of repeating their success. The tactics echo their previous successes. Demographics, terror, and indoctrination of Western youth. My, how they would love a general boycott of Israel. They smell blood and they will not stop.
Disgraceful!
I can also sell you a rock that keeps tigers away.
One of the great episodes.
BWTSWF.
This is not new info to me, Bruce of N, nor does it help your earlier comment, nor is it unique to that part of the world.
Mark – One of my fun work visits was 1 km underground in western Tassie. Whizzing around the decline in a rusted Hilux dodging giant trucks, and watching a remote controlled bogger in a stope, like a giant yellow pained mole cricket. I still have a chunk of massive sphalerite I picked up from inside the bowels of the earth in that mine.
The IDF’s network-based machine is winning in Gaza
This morning I was on the way to visit a friend of a mine in palliative care when I get the call that visiting is off today.
Turns out one of the punters has got shingles.
Imagine being on your way out & you get a case of shingles.
You’d wonder what you’ve done in a former life.
Dot I agree with your summation about the ACT greenie. On the radio this morning there was no mention of a 15yo like there was yesterday. I get the feeling its more political than criminal but the suggestion of a 15yo is grounds for a claim if not true, then why walk. There’s an election here next year and maybe the Liars are trying to rid themselves of the green filth. Why they went into a coalition of sorts is beyond me as the filth never would have supported the SFL. More to come no doubt.
@ Calli:
“I’m just going outside and I may be some time.”
“The Fire on the Snow”?
Should be “yellow painted mole cricket”. The operator stood in an alcove carved out of the rock, to protect from rock falls, and controlled his front end loader with a handset that looked just like what you use for a toy car. It was an enormous Tonka toy. All young males on the planet would want one for Christmas.
I don’t think that is a correct read of the situation. Hezbollah’s operations in Northern Israel are only escalating, as are the attacks of US bases in Syria and Iraq, and the Houthis are continuing to do what they are doing in the south. There are no signs that the CSGs the US sent to the East Med or Arabian Sea have deterred anything.