Open Thread – Wed 15 Nov 2023

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  1. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Gawd almighty. Daily Telegraph:

    Politicians from opposing parties — and the police commissioner — are pleading with Australians to not let conflict in the Middle East reverberate through Sydney streets after a dramatic escalation in racial tensions.

    The urgent intervention has been prompted by a string of confronting incidents between Israeli and Palestinian supporters involving hate speech and intimidation.

    Jewish Liberal MP Julian Leeser and Labor’s Muslim Early Education Minister Anne Aly broke ranks to release a joint statement to The Daily Telegraph in a bid to unite their communities.

    Their comments join NSW Police Commissioner Karen Webb who warned individuals looking to divide the city: “You will be arrested and put before the courts.”

    So what of police inaction that has led to the current status? Why haven’t they been punted?

    In the aftermath of the October 7 Hamas attack, a group of protesters chanted “Gas the Jews” on the steps of the Sydney Opera House before Israeli restaurant Shaffa was defaced with abusive messages and a motorcade carrying Palestinian flags was also led through Sydney’s Jewish-heavy eastern suburbs.

    Tensions reached fever pitch on Wednesday night when Israeli supporters followed a carload of teenage Palestinian supporters waving flags out the window, before allegedly pulling out a hockey stick while confronting the teens.

    Ms Aly and Mr Leeser said Jewish and Muslim Australians should not be blamed for the conflict overseas.

    “We in Australia may not be able to influence events in the Middle East, but what we can do is treat each other with respect and goodwill — recognising our shared humanity,” they said.

    “No Australian should be made to feel responsible for events in the Middle East.”

    Mr Leeser, who has been wearing his traditional kippah to the sitting week to stand against an escalation in anti-semitism, was praised by Ms Aly who said it was crucial Australians felt safe enough to wear their faith proudly.

    “People in Australia have a right to protest peacefully and respectfully not outside people’s homes or places of worship – be they churches, synagogues, mosques or temples,” they said.

    “We all have a responsibility to treat each other with compassion and empathy during this difficult time. We are all Australians who love this country. We know as Australians that when one part of our community suffers, we all suffer.”

    Their comments were echoed by Acting PM Richard Marles who said leaders must use their voice to “turn the temperature down”.

    “I’ve spoken a lot with Jewish Australians, I’ve spoken a lot with Muslim Australians, including in my own community and what everyone has in common is the desire to live in a country where there is peace and where we have social cohesion. We cannot take that for granted,” Mr Marles said.

    “What matters for those of us in positions of leadership is that we are using our voices to turn the temperature down.”

    Faith leaders have also supported the intervention with Jewish Board of Deputies president David Ossip saying both communities needed to join together to lower tensions and prevent communal fragmentation.

    “We cannot allow a foreign conflict to play out on the streets of Sydney and allow it to divide us,” he said.

    “To live in Australia is to have won the lottery of life and the maintenance of communal cohesion and harmony is our collective responsibility.”

    Executive Council of Australian Jewry chief executive Alex Ryvchin said while the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was a cause of division, the quality of being Australian should be a uniting factor.

    “We are responsible to our fellow Australians to not incite violence against each other,” he said.

    Their Muslim counterpart, Australian Federation of Islamic Councils chief executive Kamalle Dabboussy, backed in the comments, adding: “We are willing to work with all parties in fostering a cohesive environment … we want to make sure we’re playing our part,” he said.

    Mmm I see. Any other Muslim leader want to weigh in?

    Lebanese Muslim Association secretary Gamel Kheir said he did not believe the conflict in the Middle East was a religious one that should pit local communities against each other.

    We would never advocate for any form of violence, there’s no acceptance of it – we want peace to prevail in Sydney and Australia,” he said.

    Except you don’t.

    Mr Kheir said there was interest within the LMA to sit down with Jewish community leaders in Sydney in the interest of reducing tensions.

    He said it was partly the responsibility of state governments to help bring this about.

    “The government is duty bound to help conciliation between religious groups in society and rather than being on the periphery they should take initiative,” he said.

    It is understood that Jewish groups have made attempts to reach out to the Islamic community on a number of occasions through intermediaries to lower the temperature.

    The NSW government is believed to be willing to coordinate a meeting between the groups.

    NSW Premier Chris Minns said “we must all champion peace and togetherness”.

    Opposition leader Mark Speakman said it was crucial that Australians “choose our words and actions with care and empathy including calling out antisemitism or islamophobia.”’

    FMD they don’t get it. As has been posted on this site many times, the one goal of Hamas is the complete annihilation of Israel. There can be no real civil discussion with the perpetrators of these crimes.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Some detail on how the IDF is dealing with tunnels.

    With mapping robots and blast gel, Israel wages war on Hamas tunnels (16 Nov)

    After locating what they described as the entrance to a Hamas tunnel under an evacuated hospital in northern Gaza, Israeli army engineers filled the passage with exploding gel and hit the detonator.

    The blast engulfed the building and sent smoke spewing out of at least three points along a nearby road in a district of the city of Beit Hanoun, surveillance footage showed.

    “The gel spread out and exploded whatever they had been waiting for us in the tunnel,” an army officer told reporters at a briefing at Zeelim Ground Forces Base in southern Israel.

    “We don’t want to go down there. We know that they left us a lot of side-bombs (improvised explosives devices),” he said.

    One such bomb, rigged to the cover of a tunnel-access shaft at ground level, had killed four special forces reservists last week.

    The tunnels are harder to tackle. The officer said several ton of the exploding gel – on which he declined to give any technical details, other than to say it is brought in by truck – are required for every few hundred meters of tunnel.

    Pour it in and detonate it. Sounds good. Just make sure some suicide jockey doesn’t detonate it underground while it’s being pumped in, or the kaboom on the surface will be quite large when the truck goes up too.

  3. thefrollickingmole Avatar

    the claim being this is footage of the five idf killed in a booby trapped mosque in beit hanoun.

    And by doing so nullify protection for mosques as places which should be protected in times of war.,the%20time%20for%20military%20purposes.
    “In sieges and bombardments all necessary steps must be taken to spare, as far as possible, buildings dedicated to religion, art, science, or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not being used at the time for military purposes.

    It is the duty of the besieged to indicate the presence of such buildings or places by distinctive and visible signs, which shall be notified to the enemy beforehand.”

    Booby trapping sites is asking for them to be flattened forthwith.

  4. flyingduk Avatar

    The other day I was castigated here when I wrote that the UK has fallen.

    You know what, I’m right, the UK has fallen.

    The entire west has fallen…. the huge muslim crowd protests in every capital city in recent weeks is all the proof you need. Diversity is strength indeed. Enjoy the decline….

  5. alwaysright Avatar

    Enjoy the decline….

    into the Great Dark Age.

  6. flyingduk Avatar

    TOO LATE: US Army Removes COVID Vaccine Requirement for Recruits Following Historic Low in Recruitment Since 1973

    Perhaps also add something about LGBTQIDEI is only strongly encouraged, not mandatory also?

    Oh, and perhaps tone down the ‘your country is evil, your land stolen and white man bad’ rhetoric too?

  7. Dot Avatar

    God almighty.

    Icke-ism makes a return.

    (Reptoids and psychic vampires are only meant to be a metaphor, dude).

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender – damn fine article in the Spectator this morning.

  9. rosie Avatar

    He who does not have the Son, does not have the Father and is the antichrist.

    Directed at Ben Shapiro.
    Getting an idea about a certain form of antisemitism.
    Candace Owen tweeting ‘Christ is King’ digging as hard as she can.
    I associate the expression ‘Viva Cristo Rey’ with this man.

  10. rosie Avatar

    That was some twitter random quoting the bible btw not Owens

  11. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Cassie of Sydney
    Nov 17, 2023 8:38 AM
    London Police Claim They Were Powerless to Act as Palestine Protesters Stormed War Memorial”

    The other day I was castigated here when I wrote that the UK has fallen.

    You know what, I’m right, the UK has fallen.

    A couple of days ago I watched part of an interview with Rory Stewart. His disillusionment in his recent book, and even his demeanor when he talks about Britain and especially government, reflects a Britain in serious decline. Everyone will have their reasons for why that is happening but most of that is Captain Hindsight. The huge problems Britain now faces require people to be looking forward but with fresh eyes and ideas. The absurdity of the politics, the failure of Brexit, the failure of 3 PMs and now a token Sunak obviously not up to the job, reflects a country falling apart. At the last local elections the Tories lost 962 local council elections. The alternative isn’t any better. Britain may never recover.

  12. thefrollickingmole Avatar

    Icke-ism makes a return.

    Now come on dot, heres a couple of his books..

    The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change The World By David Icke
    4.7324.7 out of 5 stars. 32 product reviews.
    How the same inter-breeding bloodline has controlled the world for thousands of years. How the same inter-breeding bloodline has controlled the world for thousands of years.

    Alice in Wonderland and The World Trade Center Disaster by David Icke
    5.0125.0 out of 5 stars. 12 product reviews.
    Since the horrendous day of September 11th 2001 the people of the world have been told the Big Lie. The official story of what happened on 911 is a fantasy of untruth …

    Dont you get it dot? WaKE UP SheEPLE!!!!

  13. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Nov 17, 2023 9:05 AM

    one of the hamas commanders apparently killed yesterday

    The great thing about joining a terrorist organisation is that if you can survive the first 5 minutes there are plenty of opportunities for promotion!

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The sincerity, Elizabeth.

    If you think this then you should say so, not make obscure pronouncements that could refer to anyone and anything, which is what Oracles do. You could have been referring to the Ergas article, or anything really, although on your past form I suspect it was a reference to me in some way.

    If you think I am insincere, that is your view, say it out loud rather than with your trademark snide comment, and I will reply that your view is no surprise to me. I hold to your right to say whatever you wish about me, ill-willed though I consider your constant antagonism towards me to be. But I also reply that I am not an insincere person. If I apologise for something, I mean it.

  15. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Good to see little Benny cop a flogging across multiple platforms.

    People can’t stand the little prick.


    Mark Dice:

    Ben Shapiro vs Candace Owens Beef Escalates BIG TIME

  16. bespoke Avatar

    I hold to your right to say whatever you wish about me

    That is insincere.

    Clear enough.

  17. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Conservatives are mainly worried about Muslims, David Cameron is in the UK Cabinet, and Hillary Clinton is framing the Donald as Hitler.


  18. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Thanks Zulu!

  19. OldOzzie Avatar

    Anthony Albanese appointed the ‘most left-wing judge in YEARS’ to run the High Court before it set free 84 asylum seekers on his second day in the job – so why WAS the PM unprepared when paedophiles and murderers were released onto our streets?

    . Landmark ruling allows 84 refugees out of detention
    . Includes rapists and murderers who cannot be deported

    Australia’s new chief justice was labelled ‘the most left wing’ judge in the last 14 years, just 12 months before his appointment to the High Court.

    And the 65-year-old had only been in the job for two days when the court handed down its landmark ruling that indefinitely detaining asylum seekers was unconstitutional.

    Australia’s 14th High Court chief justice Stephen Gageler AC was appointed by the Labor government after the retirement of Susan Kiefel AC, with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus praising his ‘leadership and deep knowledge and understanding of constitutional law’.

    The Coalition’s shadow attorney-general Michaelia Cash also issued a statement congratulating Justice Gageler and applauding his ‘extensive experience’.

    On Wednesday November 8, the most senior judge in the High Court read out the ruling on the case of a Rohingya paedophile and asylum seeker known as NZYQ, who had been in detention for eight years after confessing to raping a 10-year-old boy.

    NZYQ arrived in Australia illegally by boat in 2012 but had his bridging visa cancelled in 2015 when he confessed. The Rohingya are a stateless Islamic people who live in western Myanmar but are not citizens so he couldn’t be deported there.

    NZYQ challenged his detention because he faced the prospect of a being incarcerated for the rest of his life.

    The fact the High Court ruled in his favour has meant he and 83 other detainees – almost all of whom had their visas cancelled over character issues and violent crime convictions – are now free in the community.

    Almost 80 per cent of them were previously convicted for ‘very serious’ and violent offences including murder, paedophilia and rape.

    It will cost about $180,000 a month to electronically monitor the former detainees with ankle bracelets – and taxpayers will be footing the hefty bill.

    They will also be subject to mandatory curfews and will receive income support payment of about $660 a fortnight.

    The landmark decision has left Anthony Albanese’s government scrambling to explain how it plans to keep Australians safe, with Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil announcing strict new visa conditions for the former detainees on Thursday.

    Both Labor and the Liberal party opposed the decision to free the asylum seekers.

    During Question Time on Wednesday, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton accused Mr Albanese of avoiding the issue by flying to the APEC leaders’ summit in San Francisco when he should be staying in Australia to sort it out.

    ‘You just met with President Biden. The first responsibility for you, prime minister, is to be here and take care of the Australian public,’ Mr Dutton said.

    Mr Albanese responded by saying Australian prime ministers had always attended APEC leaders’ meetings since the group’s foundation more than 30 years ago.

    While Labor announced Justice Gageler’s appointment as chief justice on August 22, he did not start the job until November 6.</em>

    In 2022, leading Australian National University academics ranked Justice Gageler the second most left-wing judge in the last 25 years, coming second only to Michael Kirby AC CMG who retired in 2009.

  20. Dot Avatar

    Good to see little Benny cop a flogging across multiple platforms.


  21. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    There is nothing insincere about Lizzie.

    As for Bespook, I’ve noticed his snide trolling of her.

    Now that is what I call insincere.

  22. Dot Avatar

    I’m going wide with this.


    Nov 16, 2023 10:22 PM
    Hamarse are a sideshow controlled by Mossad. Tell me I’m crazy!

  23. OldOzzie Avatar

    Why Gina Rinehart’s latest $240million purchase shows the WFH dream may finally be over

    . Gina Rhinehart buys Brisbane office block
    . Sale cost $270m for 19-storey tower in CBD
    . Another blow to WFH as employers back offices

    It comes after a poll of Australia’s bosses revealed that the majority think the days of working from home are numbered.

    A global survey of more than 1,300 CEOs, carried out by consulting firm KPMG, found that two-thirds of Australian bosses believed that traditional white-collar roles would see a full-time return to the office within three years.

    Only a minority thought jobs would remain a hybrid split between home and the office as is the case for many city workers right now.

    And those who enjoy the flexibility of the occasional ‘WFH’ day may wish to think again – a whopping 75 per cent of Australian CEOs said they would reward employees who made an extra effort to come into the office in terms of raises, promotions and more interesting work.

    Another survey found that almost 40 per cent of senior executives planned to differentiate wages between remote and in-office staff in the next three to five years.

    A further 13 per cent went a step further to say remote workers would not only have their pay slashed but their benefits cut as well, in the global poll conducted by law firm Herbert Smith Freehills.

  24. bespoke Avatar

    I should be flaterd about the ‘Oracles’ thing given its origin on the cat.

    But it has lost its impact though over use. About as worthless misogynist and racist.

    BTW. Since you think inherated gilt is OK. What do think of the children of calibrators being put into mental institutions useing the same Eugenics excuses as the Nazi’s?

  25. bespoke Avatar

    As for Bespook, I’ve noticed his snide trolling of her.


  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hold to your right to say whatever you wish about me

    That is insincere.

    Clear enough.

    That is the Voltaire position, which I hold and have always held with regard to this blog as well as in general. You can say what you like, and I can say what I like.

    Truth values may be deterimined by others.

    Nothing insincere about that.

  27. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney


  28. P Avatar

    by Eugene Korn
    11 . 16 . 23

    As someone who worked for decades toward the reconciliation of Christians and Jews, I am deeply disquieted by recent statements from church leaders regarding the war now raging between Israel and Hamas.


    The slaughter of Israelis on October 7 wasn’t a natural disaster devoid of moral agency, as the statements imply. It resulted from the careful planning and intentionally barbaric behavior of Hamas terrorists who butchered, beheaded, raped, burned, and kidnapped more than 1,300 Israeli civilians—and then publicly celebrated their savagery. Hamas violently transgressed every law of God and man. President Biden correctly called it “pure unadulterated evil.” Yet shamefully, these church leaders could not bring themselves to unequivocally condemn Hamas by name for its savagery. Has political correctness eviscerated their Christian moral judgment?

    The church statements tend toward pacifism. If we are pacifistic in the face of Hamas’s unrelenting evil, we will abandon God’s creation to the forces of death and destruction. Jews and Christians should understand this best. Both the Jewish people and the Church survived the Nazi assault because of nations that were not pacifist and committed to physically opposing evil. They were morally responsible, and so must we be.

  29. rosie Avatar

    I have observed a couple of family doing work from home.
    All do eight hours of work for eight hours pay, one tends to nine and half hours for the eight.
    I think it will continue in a reduced form.

  30. Dot Avatar

    And those who enjoy the flexibility of the occasional ‘WFH’ day may wish to think again – a whopping 75 per cent of Australian CEOs said they would reward employees who made an extra effort to come into the office in terms of raises, promotions and more interesting work.

    This is demented. Accountants, consulting structural engineers, radiologists, sociology professors, research officers etc don’t need to be in an office.

    You can bitch and moan about how many of these “aren’t real jobs” but the fact is there are millions in the tertiary industry & academia.

    *A whopping per cent of boomer corporate psychopaths wish to punish staff and pretend everyone is still at High School and they are in fact, the popular girl”

    Medical research
    MC linehaul
    Orthopedic surgeons
    Class A & C security guards

    No. You can’t do that WFH. So they get paid very well relative to their skills or IQ [or are underemployed] or have tournament-style rewards.

  31. bespoke Avatar

    You can say what you like, and I can say what I like.

    Sure miss stay in your lane.

  32. OldOzzie Avatar

    Jewish lobby watches Penny Wong, and worries

    After spending years investing in their relationships with the foreign minister, Jewish leaders are nervous she is being swayed by pro-Palestinian Labor MPs.

    Aaron Patrick Senior correspondent

    Last Sunday, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry held an emergency phone meeting to discuss a politician with whom it had spent years building a relationship: Penny Wong.

    That morning the foreign minister had, rhetorically, walked up to a red line for the lobby group over the Israel-Hamas war. “We do call on Israel to cease the attacking of hospitals,” she told ABC’s Insiders program. “We need steps towards a ceasefire.”

    On the call, Jeremy Leibler, a Melbourne lawyer and president of the Zionist Federation of Australia, argued the time had come for Jewish leaders to criticise Wong publicly.

    He and others expressed concerns that Wong might be changing the government’s policy, which was to accept that the Israel Defence Forces’ invasion of the Gaza Strip was a legitimate defensive action.

    Everyone on the call agreed that Leibler and Jillian Segal, the council’s president, would issue a statement saying they were “highly concerned” by Wong’s comments.

    The rare, public repudiation illustrates the delicate position of Australia’s Jewish leaders. Preserving a good relationship with Wong and the federal Labor government is crucial; Leibler frequently communicates privately with Wong and her staff.

    But they know that Labor MPs nationwide are under intense pressure over the government’s support for Israel from left-wing activists and Australia’s large Muslim community.

    On Thursday, two federal Labor MPs, Fatima Payman and Maria Vamvakinou, attended a press conference in Canberra where they called for an immediate ceasefire.

    That pressure is feeding up to Wong and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, which may explain why the carefully spoken foreign minister was prepared to speak against Israel on Sunday.

    No Tel Aviv visit

    While Australia doesn’t have much leverage over the Jewish state, as a strong Western ally any diplomatic break would be celebrated by Israel’s enemies.

    It would likely have long-term consequences for the Jewish community’s relationship with the Labor Party too, driving political donors to the right and alienating left-wing Jews.

    Two sources say the Israeli government wanted a visit by Wong or Albanese to demonstrate support, but decided against a formal invitation because it was likely to be rejected.

    US President Joe Biden and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak both went to Tel Aviv within days of the October 7 attack. (The Israeli embassy didn’t respond when asked for comment.)

    While Jewish leaders who speak to Wong say she accepts that Israel’s existence is under threat, Albanese’s history of left-wing activism has attracted suspicion in Jewish circles. Historic video was recently broadcast on Sky of the prime minister-to-be speaking at anti-Israel rally.

    But they also saw that Wong posted a photo of herself on social media meeting the senior Palestinian leader in Australia, Nasser Mashni, after the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza was hit on October 17.

    Initial reports, from Hamas, that it was attacked by Israel, killing 500 Palestinians, were largely debunked by independent analysts.

    Mashni, the president of the Australian Palestinian Advocacy Network, is an opponent of the West. “Israel is the domino,” he said last year. “Israel falls over, not just the Middle East – South America, the Africans, the world is a far better place once we destroy Western imperialist control of the world.”

    Wong hasn’t posted a photo with an equivalent member of the Jewish lobby since the war began. Wong has been more even-handed in her comments.

    Even on Insiders, and in a Guardian article setting out the government’s position, she included qualifications, often ignored in media coverage, which made it harder for Jewish leaders to argue she isn’t supporting Israel against Hamas, which Australia has designated a terrorist organisation.

    Instead of calling for a ceasefire – one of the global left’s main demands – she spoke of the “next step towards a ceasefire” that could not “be one-sided”.

    “Hamas still holds hostages,” she said on the ABC. “Hamas is still attacking Israel. How Israel defends itself matters.”

    Weapons and other equipment that Israel’s army says it found at Al Shifa hospital complex in the Gaza Strip. IDF

    The hospitals question

    Her comments have been similar to those from the Biden administration. On Monday, President Joe Biden said Gaza’s largest hospital “must be protected” and called for “less intrusive action” by Israeli forces. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said, “Much more needs to be done to protect civilians.”

    Western appeals to spare the Gaza hospitals frustrate Jewish leaders, who say they are used for military purposes.

    This week the Israel Defence Forces’ top spokesman, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari – carrying a rifle – took reporters to a children’s hospital close to the fighting. He showed them weapons and a room where he said hostages may have been kept. A small kitchen knife was found on the floor.

    Later, Israeli soldiers entered Gaza’s largest medical complex, the al-Shifa Hospital, where they filmed about 10 guns, ammunition, protective vests and Hamas military uniforms, some of which they said were hidden behind MRI machines, The New York Times reported.

    Fake corpses placed outside the office Victorian Labor MP Ged Kearney this week by pro-Palestinian activists.

    Hamas, which has denied basing fighters in the hospital, called the claims “a fabricated story that no one would believe.”

    Jewish advocates regard the hospitals as an example of Hamas cynicism that has seduced some Westerners.

    The war makes it impossible for independent reporters to verify either side’s assertions.

    Leibler says, “I have a lot of respect for Penny Wong. She is a thoughtful and principled person. But when we hear rhetoric such as ‘Israel must stop bombing hospitals’, without the context that Hamas uses hospitals for military purposes and civilians as human shields, [that] is misleading and risks perpetuating more mistruths about Israel’s conduct which can have direct consequences here in Australia.

    “If Western governments take the position that no matter what terrorists are doing in hospitals, they will provide immunity to these terrorist organisations, we would be defining a pathway for terrorists to operate without any consequence or retribution.”

  33. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    BTW. Since you think inherated gilt is OK. What do think of the children of calibrators being put into mental institutions useing the same Eugenics excuses as the Nazi’s?

    Huh?? Who is this directed to, and what on earth is it supposed to mean?

    Deliberate misspelling for effect, perhaps? For a start …. from someone who can comment quite effectively in proper English when he wants to. Weirdo.

  34. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    I should be flaterd about the ‘Oracles’ thing given its origin on the cat.

    But it has lost its impact though over use. About as worthless misogynist and racist.

    BTW. Since you think inherated gilt is OK. What do think of the children of calibrators being put into mental institutions useing the same Eugenics excuses as the Nazi’s?

    I think we need a translator here.

  35. rosie Avatar

    No surprise that one who holds up Stew Peters as exemplary would think Candace Owen’s ignorant and casual anti semitism is applaudable.

  36. Dot Avatar

    Forcing a dude with some pharmaceutical patents under his belt to “come into the office!” when he’s doing a literature review or IP research is just absurd.

    “Oh no! The chemicals will start falling apart at their pi bonds if you don’t come into the office to do your patent search, Russell.”

    “The research assistants can’t keep those benzene rings together without you!”

    Mathematicians can basically work at home too, along with statisticians and data scientists.

    Why would a mathematician come out to a mine site to model a resource or optimise a tunnel design? Other than out of interest? What are they going to do, do the AC coring, GIS work and chemical assays on his own?

  37. rosie Avatar

    The war makes it impossible for independent reporters to verify either side’s assertions.

    Yet Israel have been allowing independent reporters to accompany them, to rantisi hospital, to beit hanoun etc, close to active firefights.
    These journalists make it very clear that Israel have no control over how they present their subsequent reports.

  38. OldOzzie Avatar

    Is Israel’s grisly PR failing?

    Denialism still lingers over the extent of the atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7.

    Alona Ferber

    In early October, mere days after Hamas’ massacre in southern Israel, a grotesque account of the atrocities circulated online. A TV report from Kfar Aza, one of the small rural communities targeted on October 7, went viral, and with it the claim that rescue workers had found the bodies of 40 murdered babies, some beheaded.

    That week, British newspaper front pages splashed on the report of beheaded babies, and online, people virulently – and morbidly – debated the details of how babies had really been killed in the attack.

    Unsure what to believe, I phoned an Israeli official source that week. Is it true, I asked, that Hamas beheaded babies? My contact described footage they had seen, of unthinkable violence that I won’t repeat.

    They told me they had seen footage, captured by Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants as they rampaged, of a beheading, but of an adult.

    They offered to share that footage with me. The link to the videos, with the highly distressing descriptions accompanying them, is still sitting on my phone. I have not watched it.

    Not long after that call, with doubts over what precisely took place on October 7 persisting – alongside question marks over the proportionality of the military response in Gaza – the Israeli government invited journalists in Tel Aviv to view 47 minutes of raw, grisly footage of the attack.

    Since then, the Israeli government has shown the film – a compilation taken from Hamas bodycams and mobile phones, dash cams and phones of victims, CCTV and home security footage, and video recorded by rescue services – in screenings around the world, including London, New York and Washington.

    Politicians in Israel’s Knesset parliament have seen it. Diplomats and the press have seen it.

    At these viewings, audiences have been reduced to sobs. People faint.

    Photographs of the audience gasping, hands held over their mouths in horror, might say as much as the footage will ever do.

    Journalists have dutifully put themselves through the trauma of watching and reporting on this snuff footage. Technology means that we can relive violent events, and perhaps it even creates an expectation, a demand, that we do so to prove their veracity. It is not sufficient to write about the aftermath, to interview survivors, to visit the remains of communities razed to the ground, we must travel back in time to witness the massacre itself.

    The Israeli government has even created a website with footage and descriptions of the massacre.

    On November 8, the Israeli actress Gal Gadot organised a screening of the footage in LA (complete with a brawl outside between protesters), and the Israeli army denied rumours that the footage had leaked online.

    And yet, even though Hamas itself broadcast its actions to the world on social media, doubts still persist over the extent of the atrocities of October 7. Some question whether it even took place. There are conspiracy theories that the Israeli government knew of the plans in advance, and let it happen.

    The most famous doubter of them all, perhaps, is Roger Waters, the former Pink Floyd frontman, who has long had what you might call an unhealthy level of interest in the Jewish state. Rogers told Glenn Greenwald this month – almost one month to the day of the attack – that he still didn’t know what actually happened on October 7. “If there are war crimes, I don’t condone them,” he said, adding “the whole thing was thrown out of all proportion by the Israelis making up stories about beheading babies”.

    There have been many open letters since the attack, but one, published in the Chronicle for Higher Education, stands out in its call for empathy, for space to mourn what happened on October 7.

    The signatories protest “the shocking lack of empathy” among progressives over the murder and kidnapping of civilians in Israel, as well as the trauma of those in the diaspora at seeing the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

    They protest, too, the idea that the attack might have been justified by the context of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    I too have felt a chill at how cold the world has seemed since October 7, such as seeing video after video of people in Western cities ripping down posters of hostages held in Gaza.

    Some Israelis believe that if only the world could really see what happened, then the world would be on its side in this war – as if there are simple sides to take.

    “We have to show [this footage],” Israel’s former foreign minister Tzipi Livni told me recently. ”It’s awful for Israelis to see it, but I think [the government] did the right thing in showing it to journalists or decision-makers.

    “The world has a tendency, a natural one, to identify with the weak, but I think that in this case… the world is making a mistake.”

    In Hebrew, the term “hasbara” translates, roughly, to “explanation”, which refers to Israel’s public diplomacy aimed at justifying the government’s actions.

    Since October 7, Israel’s hasbara effort has never seemed more Sisyphean.

    “A month into the Israel-Hamas war,” noted BBC Verify’s Shayan Sardarizadeh on Twitter on November 7, “not only is there no sign of the volume of misinformation being posted online slowing down, but it seems to be getting even worse.”

    Of course, as Israel’s offensive continues to devastate the Gaza Strip, the horrors of October 7 don’t free Israel of its obligations under international law. And now, if there was any goodwill towards Israel in the immediate aftermath of the attack, it is evaporating in the face of gruesome footage from Gaza, of children crushed under rubble and humanitarian disaster.

    Yet it’s impossible to forget that there were those that didn’t believe the extent of the massacre on 7 October even before the retaliation began.

    There is a responsibility to not let the world forget the atrocities.

    But there is a futility to Israel’s hasbara effort, to this desire to be believed in the context of such disinformation.

    If people aren’t convinced of the horrors of October 7 or of the innocence of victims by the footage, by the evidence from the bodies of victims, by the survivor testimonies that have already been reported and continue to be gathered, they never will be.

  39. rosie Avatar

    Mr Andrews is going to be sadly disappointed.
    His demands will not be met.
    He has more chance of getting a golf club membership on the Mornington Peninsula.

  40. Dot Avatar

    NCIS: Sydney is an Australian military action television series which was released on 10 November 2023 on Paramount+ Australia

    No. Just stop. It was corny fun, leave it be!

    Slapping de Nozo on the back of the head was funny. It was a half-serious US version of Midsomer Murders for pussers.

    “Vice Admiral Mike Hunt”
    “Captain Mary Beaver Falls”
    “Acting Sub Lieutenant Nancy Blew-Armstrong-Brock”
    “Lieutenant Commander Armstrong Brock”

    They can’t get much worse than Lieutenant Commander “Mick Brumby”

  41. bespoke Avatar

    The energy is deep today.

    You compared Johana to the collaborators based on her ancestry.

    Not surprised you are clueless about the kids.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The history of the oracular tradition; in Greek mythology oracles were often female, receiving direct communications from the gods, not seers who interpreted communicative signs and signals. Oracles can also be male.

    See here: Oracles.

    If there is any Cat tradition here, it is pretty obscure.
    Matrix once said he was a God Oracle in his family. That’s OK.
    We all use metaphor to help things along at times. 🙂

  43. GreyRanga Avatar

    OldOzzie I’ve said before my daughter works from home, goes to the office 3-4 days a month. Her pay has increased, so have her benefits. Being in the unusual position of the company knowing what she does, just doesn’t know how. One of my sons works from home 60% of his time. His employers are more than happy.

  44. bespoke Avatar

    Low energy.


  45. Dot Avatar

    It can’t be any worse than Criminal Minds.

    I still think the lady I worked with who liked that production might have been the most unfortunate person I have met regarding intelligence.

    The fat white IT chick with problem glasses beating the Tyronious Maximus black dude built like an NFL running back at a departmental fitness test was the ultimate piss-take.

    It was like Trigglypuff v Serge Nubret.

  46. GreyRanga Avatar

    Lizzie I recall if at least inaccurately, MT said it was at work and people pooed themselves when he walked into the room. Now I could be wrong coz I was laughing so much at the repartee since.

  47. OldOzzie Avatar

    Britain is the new capital of anti-Israel hate

    As their country unites in the face of terrorist evil, ours is exposing a nasty and divided underbelly – Paywalled


    I have spent recent weeks in Israel, and goodness knows this is a country that has plenty of challenges.

    But one question I have been asked a lot by an alarmingly wide array of Israelis is: “What happened to Britain?”

    Generally, I get protective after this question, and reassure people that Britain is still Britain and that our core of decency remains as it always was.

    But the response is always the same: “But these marches?” Now perhaps they will say “… and the vote?”

    It amazes most Israelis – as it amazes me – that Britain has seen some of the worst scenes of all the anti-Israel marches across the world.

    And I say “anti-Israel” for a reason. The first protests in London happened before Israel had even begun its military response to October 7. Rallies were held within hours of the massacres. To most Israelis this is nearly unfeasible.

    What other country would see 1,400 of its citizens slaughtered, 240 kidnapped and countless more wounded for life, and not be allowed even a day to mourn?

    What other country, having suffered a set of atrocities hardly superseded in the whole history of violence wouldn’t get even one day of sympathy?

    Only the Jewish state. And everybody in Israel knows as much.

    Pakistan is currently in the process of forcibly deporting two million Afghans.

    Nobody cares. Bashar al-Assad is in his twelfth year of killing Muslims in Syria and the world’s cameras turned away long ago.

    Only Israel, when involved in any military action, or even when it is simply on the receiving end of extreme violence, cannot rely even on the world’s understanding.

    And it is in this light that Israel notices the British politicians calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

    The ignorance of a large number of figures in British political life, from Humza Yousaf to Jess Phillips, can hardly be exaggerated.

    As it happens, a ceasefire of a kind existed in Gaza. Israel withdrew from Gaza unilaterally, and very painfully, in 2005 – removing every Jew from the strip.

    They handed over the land and got rockets in return.

    Everyone around the Gaza border and across wider Israel was used to running from rockets to the shelters.

    But despite various exchanges over the years, nobody ever foresaw the battalion-sized terrorist attack of October 7.

    It was Hamas who broke what ceasefire existed that day when its legions gunned down young people at a music festival, went door to door in small communities, and burned people alive in their homes.

    I have been to the sites of many of these massacres. I passed by one – the utterly destroyed kibbutz of Be’eri – earlier this week as I went into Gaza.

    It is a reminder of a dream that once was.

    Many of the residents of kibbutzim such as Be’eri were peace activists.

    I have seen with my own eyes the peacenik literature that lies among the blood stains and looted remains of their houses.

    Their dream died with them on October 7.

    Not one Israeli believes they can now live with Hamas – a group whose leaders say they want to repeat the October 7 time and again.

    To call for a ceasefire now shows an astonishing lack of military understanding but also a horrific lack of decency.

    I have watched the Israeli Defence Force manage the evacuation of Gazans from the north of the strip to the south, so that the IDF can try to isolate Hamas and destroy them.

    It is a righteous mission, though one that is likely to prove incredibly hard.

    I have also met many of the parents of the children and others stolen into Gaza.

    They want their children back.

    Why has there been no mass movement of MPs – from Labour, say – demanding that there be no ceasefire until Hamas hand back the hostages? Such a move seems to have never been on the cards.

    Anti-Israel Labour MPs and others only ever campaign and condemn when they attack Israel.

    Perhaps because they know that Hamas would never listen to them anyway.

    These MPs are internationalist eunuchs.

    But my, do they talk a big game. Especially while they whip along the sectarian politics, which are the real driver of the protests on our streets.

    In my view, Israel can look after itself. Watching the unity of this nation at war assures me of that.

    But as I watch hooligans clamber over our war memorials and statues and hold our city centres hostage, I wonder whether it isn’t Britain that is the one in real trouble here.

  48. bespoke Avatar

    Your an open book.

  49. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    NCIS: Sydney is worse than anybody may realise. If you haven’t watched it, don’t expect a serious or credible show.

    In the words of one reviewer:
    NCIS is quite good. NCIS: LA is about half as good. NCIS: New Orleans sucks. NCIS: Hawaii sucks even more. NCIS: Sydney sucks the most.

  50. thefrollickingmole Avatar

    Does someone with a bit of knowledge confirm if this assertion is correct??

    From an interesting article on the decline of the UK steel industry.

    While the end product from each of these is comparable, there are clearly differences between their capabilities and process. Comparing each type of furnace, the major distinctions are:

    Material source – blast furnaces can melt raw iron ore as well as recycled metal, while electric arc furnaces only melt recycled or scrap metal.

    Power supply – blast furnaces primarily use coke to supply the energy needed to heat up the metal, while EAFs use electricity to accomplish this.

    Environmental impact – because of the fuels used for each, EAFs can produce up to 85% less carbon dioxide than blast furnaces.

    Cost – EAFs cost less than blast furnaces and take up less space in a factory.

    Efficiency – EAFs also reach higher temperatures much faster and can melt and produce products more quickly, as well as having more precise control over the temperature compared to blast furnaces.

  51. OldOzzie Avatar

    Rupert Murdoch, 92, slams the rise of antisemitism, the ‘intolerant elite’ and weighs in on future of artificial intelligence as he officially hands reins of his media empire to son Lachlan, 52,

    . Rupert Murdoch has handed over the reins of News Corp to son Lachlan, speaking about a variety of issues during a meeting earlier this week
    . The Australian-born media mogul will remain as chairman emeritus at the company, while his son Lachlan will be the company’s chair
    . Murdoch, 92, had announced in September that he would stepping down as chairman of both Fox News and NewsCorp

  52. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Top Ender

    Nov 17, 2023 8:51 AM

    Your dosh at work:

    Taxpayers will fork out about $180,000 a month to electronically track 84 convicted criminals released from immigration detention as Labor scrambles to ensure community safety.

    Let me say upfront that deportation to their last point of embarkation is my preferred option.
    However, if – and it’s a big if – they are properly monitored and slotted away for any breach, it is way cheaper than detention.

  53. Dot Avatar

    MT said it was at work and people pooed themselves when he walked into the room

    It sounded goofy, but they were probably lollygagging.

    Speaking of which, the next and final low-brow name for NCIS Australia ought to be Chu Mi Armstrong-Blew-Coq.

    The Chinese half-sister to Nancy Blew Armstrong Brock, now married to a villainous DGSE Colonel (Magnus de la Grande Coq) stationed at the French Consulate General’s office in Market Street.

  54. bespoke Avatar

    The fat white IT chick with problem glasses beating the Tyronious Maximus black dude built like an NFL running back at a departmental fitness test was the ultimate piss-take.

    The funniest thing is they are an item in real life.

  55. rosie Avatar

    it is evaporating in the face of gruesome footage from Gaza, of children crushed under rubble and humanitarian disaster.

    Other than one little boy, left dangling from a building I’ve not seen any, and hamas apologists shove that one in your face as often as possible.
    There are pictures of dead children inside hospitals, possibly killed by so called friendly fire but the high level of reliance on palliwood and AI suggests hamas haven’t got nearly as much gore as they’d like.
    And if I see one more ‘Press’ guy driving to nowhere with allegedly injured babies or an apparently dead one he’s moving around on on his lap in the most disrespect way while someone else is filming, that someone apparently randomly thrust though his apparently open car window I might vomit.
    Who would do that?

  56. OldOzzie Avatar

    IDF releases video claiming to find Hamas missiles hidden under a family bed

    2 hours ago

    The Israeli Defence Force has released a video claiming to show rockets hidden by Hamas under a little girl’s bed.

    The residence was searched as part of Israel’s Northern Gaza offensive as they continue to dismantle Hamas infrastructure spread throughout the city.

    An IDF soldier lifts the mattress, revealing what he says is a pile of rockets stored by Hamas in a cavity under the bed.

    The video, released on social media, was reportedly filmed inside a home in the city of Beit Hanoun.

    The IDF claims to have found more ammunition, explosive devices and weapons inside other parts of the house.

  57. alwaysright Avatar

    call me insincere?
    call me a cab. call me an ambulance. call me a pizza. But don’t call me insincere.

  58. Dot Avatar

    Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican
    Nov 17, 2023 10:40 AM

    NCIS: Sydney is worse than anybody may realise.

    I took one for the team and watched that horrible The Shire programme and reported my review on the Cat.

    You know what to do!

  59. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Beer Business Daily publisher Harry Schuhmacher says Bud Light sales volume in the July to September quarter decreased 30%, on par with its second-quarter deterioration.

    I imagine this level of sustained decline is a serious matter in any industry.
    I am able to state that in the brewery game, this level is pretty much seen as armageddon.

    At that level of sustained decline, the travelling salesmen for Bud Lite will be in a state of depression, some may require medical intervention. They’ll be prone to panic-fuelled irrational exchanges with clients & former clients. Some will be unwittingly becoming squeaky voiced toward the end of their sentences.

  60. OldOzzie Avatar

    ‘Huge damage to UN’: Former foreign minister Alexander Downer blasts rapporteur Francesca Albanese over claims against Israel

    Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer has condemned comments made by Francesca Albanese about the Israel-Hamas war, which he says are damaging the United Nations’ reputation.

    Former Australian foreign minister Alexander Downer has condemned UN official Francesca Albanese over comments she made about Israel as conflict in the Middle East escalates.

    During an interview on The Project earlier in the week, Ms Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territory, claimed Israel had no right to “use its powers” to defend itself because Gaza is under its “belligerent occupation”.

    She then opened about what she believed would have been the correct response to the October 7 attacks by Hamas, saying Israel should have asked the United Nations to send in its own force to demilitarise Gaza.

    “It could have relied on the United Nations to demilitarise Hamas if this was the target,” Ms Albanese said on Wednesday night.

    Speaking on Sky New Australia’s Chris Kenny on Thursday night, Mr Downer said Ms Albanese is not a “significant figure” in the UN and is doing “huge damage.”

    “The Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005… and by the way, the UN was calling for the Israelis to withdraw, that was the UN resolution,” Mr Downer said.

    “The Israelis did withdraw. And ever since then, Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel, which doesn’t seem to concern Ms Albanese.

    “She’s been made out to be a much more significant figure than she really is by the Australian media…she is only a rapporteur for a UN committee.

    “I think she is doing the reputation of the UN huge damage and she needs to reflect on the damage that she’s doing.”

    Mr Downer claimed Ms Albanese had “exacerbated” the problem instead of bringing peace to the conflict.

    “(Ms Albanese) has exacerbated the problem of the reputation with the UN.

    And the trouble with that is, the UN has ended up to be a non-player in all of this,” he said.

    “The UN is supposed to bring peace and the UN is doing nothing of the sort, it’s just inciting community debate, nothing more positive than that.”

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You compared Johana to the collaborators based on her ancestry.

    That’s nonsense. It takes a confused mind to make that assessment. The discussion points concerned two different reputational aspects of the Dutch during wartime.

    The personal and individual issue was whether the Dutch trait of stoicism provided a suitable response to Cassie’s genuine fear of anti-Semitism in Sydney.

  62. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer


    Nov 17, 2023 9:15 AM

    My God, she’s a dumb arse.

    Owens made the classic talking head mistake of speaking outside her brief. She is extremely good at debating topics she has been properly prepped for, but like anyone else is weak when they try to wing it.

    When you say “prepped” this usually means “provided with talking points and model answers by advisors”.
    This is what made Jacinta Price so exceptional and formidable. She batted away all the gotchas and criticisms with ease, and without reference to cheat sheets provided by her entourage.
    Not just defended back down the pitch.
    Smashed over mid-wicket for six.
    Because her answers came from (ahem) “lived experience” overlaid with years of deep thought about causes and solutions (including what were not solutions).

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    For those interested in finding out a little more of the stoic tradition in history, may I recommend The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius, man and Emperor, as he describes himself. The Penguin edition has an excellent introduction and many pages of annotating footnotes to the original text.

  64. OldOzzie Avatar

    US business elite welcomes Xi Jinping with standing ovation

    China’s president projects friendly tone but analysts say increasing scrutiny has rattled foreign groups – FT

    At a San Francisco hotel on Wednesday evening, Chinese President Xi Jinping delivered a message to US business that got a standing ovation: China is a big market and a friend.

    Crowding into the Hyatt Regency to meet the Chinese leader were Elon Musk of Tesla, Tim Cook of Apple and Albert Bourla of Pfizer, all keen on selling more electric cars, iPhones and pharmaceuticals in the world’s second-biggest economy.

    After a day spent in long-awaited talks with US President Joe Biden, Xi told an audience of about 300 people: “China is both a super-large economy and a super-large market?.?.?.?modernisation for 1.4bn Chinese is a huge opportunity that China provides to the world.”

    “The world needs China and the US to work together for a better future,” he added. “China is ready to be a partner and friend of the US.”

    The warm feelings appeared mutual. “If you go through the list of the top 20 US companies in China, they were all there,” said one San Francisco tech titan who attended the event but did not want his name to be published.

    On his way into the Hyatt, Bridgewater founder Ray Dalio told the Financial Times he was “excited to have this relationship [with Xi]”.

    But while Xi made an effort to express his country’s open welcome to US business, a combination of whipsawing tensions with Washington, a rocky economic recovery from the pandemic and Beijing’s increasingly assertive domestic security apparatus has damped enthusiasm among American investors for making big bets on China.

    A series of US companies have begun packing up their bags or rerouting supply chains out of fear that geopolitical tensions could disrupt business.

    Technology groups such as Airbnb and LinkedIn have retreated from the country, as have consulting firms Gallup and Forrester Research.

    Even Apple, which has long relied on Chinese manufacturing, has begun sourcing orders in countries such as India and Vietnam.

    Business leaders and analysts said they did not expect Xi’s summit with Biden to fully thaw relations. The two presidents agreed to restart military communications and set up a counter-narcotics working group to tackle fentanyl pouring into the US, but they left with several issues unresolved, most notably tensions over Taiwan, which China claims as part of its territory.

    Myron Brilliant, former head of international relations for the US Chamber of Commerce, said while Chinese officials were reverting to the playbook of courting the business community for investment and to help manage ties with Washington, “times have changed”.

    “Bottom line is that American business leaders don’t want to be caught in a game of chess between China and the US governments,” said Brilliant. “CEOs are risk-averse?[and] the environment between China and the US has increased the risk of doing business in China.”

    Increasingly vocal criticism of China by hawkish US politicians has further complicated a fraught environment for business leaders.

    On Tuesday, Mike Gallagher, chair of the House of Representatives’ China committee, called it “unconscionable” that US executives were paying to attend the dinner with Xi, citing Beijing’s repression of Muslim Uyghurs in China’s north-western Xinjiang region and demanding a list of attendees.

    A Chinese-US executive at a tech company that straddles both countries told the FT that his attendance was a “state secret”.

    Darren Woods, chief executive of ExxonMobil, which is in the process of building a multibillion-dollar petrochemical plant in southern China, told reporters on Wednesday morning that he would not attend the dinner.

    “Chinese and the US government relationships are going to kind of ebb and flow with time,” Woods said. “Both countries are too important to the global world order to not find some balance, although that balance will shift.”

    Shi Yinhong, an expert on US-China relations at Renmin University of China, said both governments’ preoccupation with national security would set a ceiling on relations. “If economic interests conflict with national security, national security will undoubtedly take precedence,” said Shi.

    China’s increasingly forceful domestic security apparatus has unnerved many foreign businesses, conducting raids on US consultancy Bain & Co and detaining five local employees at due diligence group Mintz. Beijing has also banned the use of US group Micron’s chips in critical infrastructure over cyber security risks.

  65. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Candace Owen’s is emerging, at the very least, an ignoramus on the subject of the middle east.

    Resoundingly so.
    Another black female commentator who has trashed their cred over it is Esther Krauke.
    Though Esther may not have dug herself in anywhere near as deep, as may have realised her error & be trying to claw back.

  66. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    This is demented. Accountants, consulting structural engineers, radiologists, sociology professors, research officers etc don’t need to be in an office.

    Not at all demented Dot.

    The problem is that a subset of WFH people do it to be slackers. Humans haven’t stopped being humans.

    As I have said many times in the past on the Cat: people behave ever so much better when they know they’re being watched.

    Which isn’t easy in the case of WFH because of privacy laws.

    You can have freedom and slacking off, or Stazi-like surveillance.
    Choose one.

    Or you can get your employees to come to the office, where you can manage them properly, so that both the wannabe slackers and the industrious ones are productive. Oh and block Facechook etc from your intranet and work phones.

    Study: Massive Productivity Losses for Those Who Work From Home (10 Aug)

  67. thefrollickingmole Avatar

    Qweenthland engineering graduates might be ones to avoid in the future…
    Queensland University of Technology’s vice-chancellor has defended the decision to remove all references to “merit” from its hiring policy.

    Staff were told about the move via an internal email, which informed them that they would be moving away from “the merit principle” towards a “more inclusive suitability assessment“.

    Vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil told ABC Radio Brisbane the suitability assessment would consider factors such as gender and ethnic backgrounds.

    Professor Sheil said it would also consider the current demographic breakdown of their various schools and disciplines.

    She said women, for example, were under-represented in science and engineering at QUT whereas men were under-represented in teaching and nursing.

    She dismissed suggestions that the hiring process should be colourblind, saying that was impossible in practice.

    “When people say things like ‘We do this on merit’, they’re actually reflecting the bias of their own experience,” Professor Sheil said.

    “There’s so much data on this around selection, whether it’s recruitment into orchestras or into universities.

    “There isn’t a way of being colourblind that’s not got some form of bias into it.”

    She said staff undertook unconscious bias training, and that the selection committees were chosen with diversity in mind.

    She said they would aim to hire a diversity of personalities, such as recruiting more outgoing scientists who were good at industry engagement.

    ‘We don’t want everybody to look the same’
    Professor Sheil denied the policy was a “political” decision, insisting it was a practical move to improve the university’s talent pool.

    “We need to access the entire talent pool, and we don’t want everybody to look the same,” she said.

    “We need the workforce to reflect the students coming through, and we also know people look at things differently when they come from different backgrounds.

    “I’ve been working in improving diversity in academic environments my entire career; it’s got nothing to do with contemporary politics.”

    Professor Sheil said she was the first female professor of chemistry in Australia and has subsequently spent her life trying to get more women into science.

    QUT claims the suitability assessment is based on the Queensland Public Service Commission’s hiring strategy.

  68. Dot Avatar

    Can you get a full version of the Cambridge Latin study guide (e.g., the story of Lucius Caecilius Iucundus) wth all sections as a hardcover book?

    I want to push a young and talented lad who is a bit wayward.

  69. bespoke Avatar

    That’s nonsense. It takes a confused mind to make that assessment. The discussion points concerned two different reputational aspects of the Dutch during wartime.


  70. Dot Avatar

    Or you can get your employees to come to the office, where you can manage them properly, so that both the wannabe slackers and the industrious ones are productive.

    Just sack the bad workers.

    You’re not counting the massive overhead that an office entails.

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    New twist in Princes in the Tower mystery as evidence points to escape rather than murder

    The two boys later tried to invade England to retake the crown, claims historian who discovered Richard III’s remains under car park
    By Anita Singh, Arts and Entertainment Editor 16 November 2023 • 8:00pm

    The Princes in the Tower were not murdered by Richard III but spirited to Europe and later tried to retake the crown, according to new research.

    Philippa Langley, the amateur historian credited with finding Richard’s remains under a Leicester car park, has presented a series of “extraordinary discoveries” to back-up her theory.

    She believes that a duo dismissed by history as pretenders to the throne – Lambert Simnel and Perkin Warbeck, who each launched failed bids to depose Henry VII in the late 15th century – were the real princes.

    The two boys, sons of Edward IV and nephews to Richard, disappeared from the record in 1483 after being taken to the Tower of London.

    A common theory, dramatised by Shakespeare, is that they were murdered on the orders of their uncle.

    Skeletons discovered under a staircase at the Tower in the 17th century were identified as the princes and moved to Westminster Abbey but have never been DNA-tested.

    However, Ms Langley claimed that documents unearthed in European archives point to their escape and subsequent attempts to invade England.

    One is an account that is purportedly a witness statement from Richard, the youngest prince, who was nine at the time of his disappearance.

    Written a decade later, the author describes being smuggled out of the Tower by Henry and Thomas Percy.

    “They shaved my hair and put a poor and drab shirt on me and we went to St Katharine’s [dock],” the account reads, going on to say that they took a boat and came “ashore in the dunes” at Boulogne-sur-Mer, before travelling on to Portugal.

    The document was “absolutely mind-blowing”, said Ms Langley, stating her belief that the level of detail made it unlikely to be a fake.

    Independent experts have authenticated it as being written during that period, although there is no other evidence that Richard was the author.

    A second document from 1483, which appears to bear a royal seal and the signature of “Richard, Duke of York”, pledges that Richard will pay 30,000 florins to Duke Albert of Saxony within three months of gaining the English throne.

    In 1495, a man claiming to be Richard landed in England with a small army. After fleeing to Scotland, he launched a second invasion in 1497, which resulted in his capture.

    He signed a confession declaring that he was really a boatman’s son named Perkin Warbeck but, according to Ms Langley, it is likely that he really was Richard.

    From the Telegraph.

  72. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Magnus de la Grande Coq


  73. Dot Avatar

    Luke Smith: My contention is that the jobs are fake, the economy is fake, the fiat money is fake, etc.

    (It’s a long one, listen whilst you work).

    From 5 March, 2022.

    You can’t roast people too badly for being “antiwork” when most jobs are simply useless nowadays. Polls have shown that around half of people report either their job is totally useless, or that it’s unclear to them if there is any social benefit to their work whatsoever. How has this happened? Why do people put so much effort into what is, in effect, play work.

    We talk about David Graeber’s article, book and concept of Bullshit Jobs, jobs so inane that even the people working them can’t justify their existence. This brings up economic questions of hyper-production, the Consoomerist economy, post-scarcity and of course the alleged panacea of Universal Basic Income (UBI).

    At the root of all of it is a public-private plastic economy based on easy and highly inflationary money, which strips people of savings and keeps people working like good wagies from cradle to the grade on jobs that exist just to keep the fake economy going. Comments on the psychological effects of Bitcoin and hard money included.

  74. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    On a related story about how humans behave ever so much better when they know they’re being watched come these stories:

    A grocery chain is removing self-checkout after realizing executives hate it as much as customers do: ‘We like to talk to people’ (11 Nov)

    Booths is bucking a trend toward more self-checkout that has remade large swaths of retail over the past few decades, with many businesses drawn to the savings that can be realized in the long term by replacing human cashiers.

    Walmart And Costco Considering Ditching Self-Checkout Lines Amidst “Backlash” (17 Nov)

    However, retailers are now reassessing self-checkout due to its association with increased merchandise losses, both from accidental errors and deliberate theft, a phenomenon known as “shrink.”

    This issue has been escalating, with some attributing it to shoplifting and advocating for stricter penalties. The contribution of self-checkout systems to this problem is also recognized.

    Customers have exploited the minimal supervision at self-checkout aisles, engaging in theft through tactics like not scanning items, substituting expensive items with cheaper ones, using fake barcodes, or even scanning everything but leaving without paying, the report says.

    Funny how as our high trust society is being replaced by a low trust one that supermarkets can no longer assume that customers won’t rip them off. And shoplifting just keeps on increasing. I wonder when Colesworths will twig to this phenomenon?

  75. OldOzzie Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 10:41 AM
    Does someone with a bit of knowledge confirm if this assertion is correct??

    From an interesting article on the decline of the UK steel industry.


    excellent article – have bookmarked & downloaded

    The worrying thing from that article was

    China – 842 Furnaces
    India – 98 Furnaces
    Japan – 27 Furnaces
    US. – 19 Furnaces
    Australia – 3 Furnaces

  76. Winston Smith Avatar


    Nov 17, 2023 10:43 AM
    MT said it was at work and people pooed themselves when he walked into the room

    It sounded goofy, but they were probably lollygagging.

    He was taking the piss, in line with the rest of the conversation. However it became grounds for a sustained verbal and personal attack on him by multiple posters, for months.
    Just bloody pathetic.

  77. Winston Smith Avatar


    Professor Sheil said it would also consider the current demographic breakdown of their various schools and disciplines.
    She said women, for example, were under-represented in science and engineering at QUT whereas men were under-represented in teaching and nursing.

    There would be more men in nursing if it wasn’t so toxic an environment for them.

  78. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Meanwhile in Vic. Mulgrave By-election on tomorrow for Dan Andrews old seat. Labor must be rattled as they have launched attack ads on Ian Cook

    Ian is an Independent whose catering business was shut down by Brett Sutton – Vic Health Commissar and the Labor machinery so as to give Community Chef a free reign. Community Chef owned by numerous Labor Councils in the Melbourne region. Ended up in debt to the tune of $7m.

    I will be helping Cook’s team with HTV cards on Saturday.

    Could there be a light at the end of the very far tunnel that is Victoria?

  79. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Just sack the bad workers.

    Dot – um, how?

    The screeching, and the lawfare, would be epic. The whole work-life balance thing would explode. Wymminses in particular would be irately gluing themselves to your reception desk.

    As I said it isn’t a problem with committed professionals. But I’ve seen myself from decades in offices that not all employees are of that mindset, even among engineers and scientists. Inspiring employees is hard enough as it is, without face to face contact it’s even harder.

  80. OldOzzie Avatar

    Germany raids ‘anti-Israel’ Muslim organisations

    Police and intelligence agencies swoop on more than 54 properties on Thursday

    Police and intelligence agencies raided 54 properties across Germany on Thursday as part of a crackdown on what they described as “anti-Israel” Islamism in the wake of the deepening crisis in the Middle East. 

    The German interior ministry said it had opened an investigation into the Islamic Center Hamburg (IZH) — one of the largest and oldest Muslim organisations in the country — over its connections to Iran and the Lebanese paramilitary group Hizbollah. 

    “We have the Islamist scene in our sights,” said interior minister Nancy Faeser. “Especially now, at a time when many Jews feel particularly threatened, the following applies: We do not tolerate Islamist propaganda or antisemitic and anti-Israel incitement.”

    More than 800 security officials carried out raids in seven federal states, seizing material that they said would be investigated for sedition and terror-related offences. 

    The IZH did not respond to a request for comment. 

    The interior ministry said the organisation, which runs the Imam Ali Mosque in Hamburg, had political ties to the regime in Tehran. That connection has been on authorities’ radar since 1993, when the IZH was placed under government surveillance. The mosque was an important centre of Iranian student protest against the Shah in the 1970s.

    The IZH has tried, unsuccessfully, to have surveillance orders lifted in court, and has previously declared the accusations regarding its connections to Iran to be unfounded. 

    “The IZH exerts great influence on certain mosques and clubs,” the interior ministry said, citing evidence from Germany’s domestic intelligence agency. “Within these circles, a clear antisemitic and anti-Israel attitude can often be observed, which is also propagated in various media channels.”

    The coalition government of chancellor Olaf Scholz has come under increasing domestic pressure over the past few weeks to take a firmer line against Islamism in Germany.

    According to German security authorities, antisemitic hate crimes have surged following the attack on Israel by Hamas on October 7, and Israel’s subsequent invasion of Gaza.

    They included a firebomb attack on one of Berlin’s largest synagogues, and the desecration of Holocaust memorials around the country.

    The greater part of the crimes have been conducted by Muslims, according to government officials, with many occurring at pro-Palestinian rallies held in anger at Israel’s campaign in Gaza and the tensions in the West Bank.

    Berlin has traditionally been one of Israel’s staunchest international supporters, and has pledged a zero-tolerance attitude towards antisemitic behaviour in Germany.

    This month the government banned the internationally well-known activist group Samidoun, declaring it was a front for Hamas.

    “Israel is our raison d’état,” Scholz said in October, just as his predecessor Angela Merkel had done, highlighting the historic responsibility many Germans feel towards Israel in atonement for the horrors of Nazism.

    The government has equated anti-Israel attitudes with antisemitism, but that has led security officials into a legal grey area.

    The interior ministry has now banned the commonly used pro-Palestinian slogan, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free,” for example, declaring it to be a statement that implicitly supports the destruction of the Israeli state.

    But government lawyers have been unable to decide whether the phrase “From the River to the Sea” alone is also illegal, saying it would depend on the context in which it was used.

    Some state prosecutors have said they do not understand the substance of the new legal orders from Berlin, and are uncertain what might stand up in court.

  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie I recall if at least inaccurately, MT said it was at work

    Dunno. I thought family but I wasn’t paying much attention. I scroll by the endless goings on about it. My blog time is limited. Much to busy with other things, like seeking quotes for getting rid of 70’s pebblecrete on our entry steps and replacing it with bull-nosed sandstone.

    KD might be surprised to hear that. He did not think there was any pebblecrete in Vaucluse. Am I destroying some precious and unique cultural heritage? 🙂

  82. Tom Avatar

    US business elite welcomes Xi Jinping with standing ovation

    That made me laugh out loud.

    They have pivotted seamlessly from a free market to a fascist economy where the Chinese Communist Party (having purchased the Biden White House) sets America’s economic rules — turkeys voting for Christmas.

    PS: big business can no longer do competition. It’s much simpler and more predictable when politicians make the rules.

  83. shatterzzz Avatar

    However, if – and it’s a big if – they are properly monitored and slotted away for any breach, it is way cheaper than detention.

    Slotted would be the most economical ……….!

  84. OldOzzie Avatar

    Iranians see both sides of the Israel-Gaza conflict

    In an increasingly secular society, it is hard to argue support for Palestinians solely because they are Muslims


    The first time I witnessed a spontaneous pro-Palestine gathering was 20 years ago when I was doing a master’s degree in London. Back then I was astonished to see European students expressing such passionate support for Palestinians and criticism of Israel.

    In my home country of Iran — a theocracy which has prioritised the liberation of Palestine and annihilation of Israel — annual pro-Palestine rallies such as Quds Day at the end of the holy month of Ramadan are organised by the state and packed with loyalists.

    Many Iranians believe Palestinians have been dealt a historic injustice.

    However, even they are likely to disapprove of the financial and military support the Islamic regime — a sworn enemy of Israel — provides for anti-Israel militants in the region, including Hamas.

    These mixed feelings have become more complicated since the October 7 attacks, in which Hamas killed more than 1,200 Israelis.

    Even though Israel’s retaliatory air strikes and ground offensive have caused over 11,000 deaths in Gaza, it is almost unimaginable that there would be a rally in Iran on the same scale as those taking place in London, Washington, Berlin or even in Islamic countries such as Indonesia and Turkey.

    This month, Abbas Abdi, a reformist analyst, shamed hardliners who he said had only gathered a pro-Palestine crowd the size of a small village in Tehran. “This is not [simply] a failure. It is a thorough decadence,” he wrote on Telegram.

    Many Iranians have condemned killings of civilians on both sides in the Israel-Hamas war, rather than supporting only Palestinians.

    A taxi driver asked me last week why Hamas had attacked Israel in the first place and why Israeli leaders were so “brutally” killing civilians in Gaza. “I don’t care about each side’s religion. I care about humanity,” he said.

    There is a conservative segment of society that supports Iran’s hostile stance towards Israel, and its regional policies.

    But in an increasingly secular Iranian society it is hard to argue, as the regime and those who support it would like to, that one should support Palestinians solely because they are Muslims.

    Instead, the growing consensus is that all people have a right to a peaceful life.

    Anti-regime Iranians are also inclined to oppose the Islamic Republic’s policies since last year’s women’s rights protests that resulted in over 300 deaths, according to Amnesty International.

    Images of dead Palestinians, especially children, have revived anger at what many see as Iran’s unnecessary involvement in regional politics.

    The authorities, meanwhile, have threatened to prosecute pro-Israeli commenters on social media.

    While the Islamic Republic regularly threatens to wipe Israel off the map, and supports militias that have attacked the Jewish state, there has been little history of antisemitism in Iran.

    People have respected religious diversity for thousands of years: the emperor of Ancient Persia, Cyrus the Great, liberated Jews from Babylonian captivity, while Iran was one of the few countries that accepted Jewish refugees from Europe during the second world war.

    Iran is still home to the largest Jewish population in the Middle East, outside Israel.

    My late father — a devout Shia Muslim — always said his favourite fabric merchant was an Iranian Jew whom he described as the fairest in Tehran’s Grand Bazaar.

    Iranian politicians and regime supporters argue that they make a distinction between Jews and Zionists, stating that the former should be respected as men of faith while denouncing the latter as occupiers who pose a danger to the region.

    Reformers, however, consider such policies unrealistic at a time when Arab countries have either normalised relations with Israel or hope to do so.

    Hardliners see a conspiracy in the anti-regime slogan of “Neither Gaza, Nor Lebanon; My Life for Iran” (a plea to cease interventions in regional politics) which has been chanted at protests over the past decade.

    Regardless of public opinion, Iran’s leadership will continue to uphold the Palestinian cause while supporting the “axis of resistance” via militant groups.

    In the meantime, Iranian people may not be out on the streets — but the number who believe the volatile Middle East could do without more bloodshed, Islamophobia or antisemitism is growing faster than ever.

  85. mc Avatar

    Flying out of Perth today back to Allenstan.

    WA cats, you have a magnificent state.

  86. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Further proof that incompetence from our betters is bulletproof (the NT News):

    The Supreme Court has confirmed Territorians cannot sue their overseers for incompetence, after dismissing an ex-principal’s $3m case against the NT’s former corruption watchdog.

    Jennifer Lea Sherrington tried to sue former Independent Commissioner Against Corruption Ken Fleming KC, accusing him of “acting in bad faith” while investigating her role as the principal of Milingimbi School.

    In 2021, Mr Flemming released a damning report alleging Ms Sherrington stole $500,000 from the remote school, failed to comply with school governance policies, hired family members and falsified thousands of attendance records in a bid to secure $1.4m in additional future funding for the school.

    Ms Sherrington has never been charged in relation to the allegations and for two years has accused Mr Flemming of “misfeasance in public office”.

    Hizzoner said ‘misfeasance is not incompetence’.

    Righto. Got it.

  87. C.L. Avatar

    Directed at Ben Shapiro.
    Getting an idea about a certain form of antisemitism.
    Candace Owen tweeting ‘Christ is King’ digging as hard as she can.

    Idiocy all round.

    1. Owens was right to ridicule Nikki Haley – who is a bona fide lunatic.
    2. It wasn’t a very sophisticated take-down.
    3. Arguably, speechifying at a private gathering and declaring a married woman “disgraceful” behind her back was low, dishonourable conduct.
    4. Tucker is now an isolationist bundler (the opposite of a neocon bundler who conflates Ukraine and Israel, morally). This is why he swooped to book Owens for an interview.

  88. Gabor Avatar

    Bruce of Newcastle
    Nov 17, 2023 10:57 AM

    This is demented. Accountants, consulting structural engineers, radiologists, sociology professors, research officers etc don’t need to be in an office.

    Not at all demented Dot.

    The problem is that a subset of WFH people do it to be slackers. Humans haven’t stopped being humans.

    I know a bloke, works for Telstra, hadn’t been in the office for months.
    Slack as an empty potato sack.
    Very smart and cluey I must say to disguise his other activities.

  89. Arky Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 10:41 AM
    Does someone with a bit of knowledge confirm if this assertion is correct?

    Ignoring the “with a bit of knowledge” part and answering anyway:
    Steel making in quantity is one of the great leaps forward in technology that the “Oh well, we can just buy it cheaper overseas- no biggie” idiots don’t get.
    Once you lose the ability you won’t get it back.
    Doing it in quantity requires the correct grade of coal and a considerable amount of knowledge. Like most of the industrial processes we have gifted to our geopolitical rivals, people won’t realise what has been lost until the ultimatums, threats and impossible choices begin really arriving.
    But save the planet or some shite like that.

  90. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Ian is an Independent whose catering business was shut down by Brett Sutton – Vic Health Commissar and the Labor machinery so as to give Community Chef a free reign. Community Chef owned by numerous Labor Councils in the Melbourne region. Ended up in debt to the tune of $7m.

    I will be helping Cook’s team with HTV cards on Saturday.”

    I hope Cook does well. When I see him on Sky, you can see the ordeal he’s been through. I find it very upsetting that we live in a country where such malfeasance can destroy a man’s life, and the perpetrators, be it Sutton and Andrews, get away with it and continue to glide through life.

    By the way, Sleazy has a connection to slug gate. It was one big Labor cabal of malfeasance.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    big business can no longer do competition

    The deadly enemy of big business is medium size business. Which is why big companies like fascism so much, since it can be used to repress SMEs.

  92. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    London Police Claim They Were Powerless to Act as Palestine Protesters Stormed War Memorial

    London police are playing Three Blind Mice. 12 years ago they were able to get a bloke Sixteen months in jail for climbing on the cenotaph.

    7 years ago they were able to arrest 8 people for climbing onto London monuments.

  93. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Military Strategist Colonel Zoe Daniels says Israel cannot bomb their way to peace.

    The late Bomber Harris is unfortunately unavailable for comment.

  94. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Re WFH.

    I couldn’t care less from where people work. Between them, employers and employees should be able to work that out.

    What I do care about – and was brought home (no pun intended) during the lockdowns – was that certain employees benefited greatly from the “settle-in-place” directives.

    This then gave that group, who coincidentally were mostly public servants or big business employees and therefore the least affected in the hierarchy of workers, a strong motive to keep WFH in the form of lockdowns going.

    During that period recall as well how the premiers dined out exclusively on the repast of public opinion focus groups feedback.

    I honestly believe that it was a close run thing that we did come out out of all the control measures. However, imho that was no thanks to the WFH cheerleaders.

    btw, on MT, he said it in regards to work.

  95. Arky Avatar

    This is how steel is made in the minds of our cultural leaders:

  96. Alamak! Avatar

    Optus network business chief, Lambo Kanagaratnam,

    sounds totally legit operation, with. name like Lambo.

    Cause of the Optus network f**up?

    “The cause of the outage was that key routers disconnected from the network, in response to a change in routing information that resulted from the shift to an alternate peering router, during a scheduled upgrade on the Singtel international peering network”

    This is pure BS, no other clients of the Singtel peering network went down and any BGP router change should not have caused Optus network to broadcast 940k messages. Evrn then, If its internal routers failed due to excessive messages where was the firewall and/or network management?

    The more she talks the more it sounds like a) she has no clue on how to run a company like Optus. b) she doesn’t even know what services are operating at any time c) the people she hired don’t know how to run critical services in reliable way

  97. OldOzzie Avatar

    No mercy. How it’s going to be until the next election

    It was Labor’s nightmare and Dutton’s fantasy to be once again fighting on immigration issues.

    Phillip Coorey Political editor

    In his bones, Anthony Albanese did not want to travel to the United States for the APEC summit this week.

    He knows, as does the opposition, that his heavy overseas travel schedule – which is no heavier than that of his immediate predecessors – has become an issue with certain demographics struggling in straitened times.

    Before his departure to San Francisco on Wednesday afternoon, for what was his second trip to the US in three weeks and his third this year, the Prime Minister contended, however, that he must go.

    Otherwise, he would be the first Australian prime minister to miss APEC since it became a leaders’ summit 30 years ago. (Julia Gillard came home early from Vladivostok in 2012 when her father died).

    Other leaders are not so diligent. This time last year, for example, the three annual summits – ASEAN, the G20 and APEC – were held back-to-back over a week in Cambodia, Indonesia and Thailand respectively.

    Joe Biden attended the first two but skipped Bangkok so he could attend his granddaughter’s wedding. He sent Vice-President Kamala Harris to APEC instead.

    Similarly, Biden pulled out at the last minute from attending the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue in Sydney in May to stay home and sort out the deadlock in Congress over the debt ceiling.

    Domestic issues are important, and Biden made a choice. In deciding not to skip APEC, so did Albanese and, in doing so, the longstanding bipartisan support for prime ministerial travel was shattered.

    For months, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has been dropping the odd bon mot to tap into voter discomfort with a frequently absent prime minister.

    On Wednesday, he gave up all pretence and demanded outright that the PM abort his trip to the US and stay home to deal with both the rise of antisemitism in Australia, and the release from immigration detention of more than 84 “hardened criminals” following last week’s High Court decision.

    It was a massive stretch to conflate the two issues and was not helpful in terms of trying to maintain social cohesion on the back of the latest Israel-Arab conflict.

    In a speech to the caucus on Tuesday, Albanese made the salient point that Australia, in terms of being able to influence events in the Middle-East, had bugger-all clout.

    Sometimes, to make a point, you have to drop a big rock in the pond, and that was Dutton’s tactic.

    With the pro-Palestinian Greens and pro-Israeli Coalition both seeking political profit, the government’s priority, he said, must be to empathise with victims in both camps and calm domestic tensions.

    In doing what he did, however, Dutton blew up the joint and elicited the angriest response from the Prime Minister since he took office.

    Albanese was still shaking with anger after question time at what he deemed to be Dutton’s temerity.

    During that skirmish, both men gave as good as they got and ultimately appealed to their respective constituencies, and thus, Dutton was unperturbed by the condemnation that came his way from Albanese and sections of the commentariat.

    Sometimes, to make a point, you have to drop a big rock in the pond, and that was his tactic – to drive home growing perceptions among suburban and regional voters – that the PM, via his months-long campaigning for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament, and his frequent absenteeism, was becoming increasingly detached from suburban and regional voters.

    It’s not true, but the perception is growing, and perception in politics is almost everything.

    “It’s coming up in our research; wrong priorities, [Albanese’s] not focused on us,” said a Liberal strategist.

    By Thursday, as Dutton was doubling down on his criticism of the PM for being abroad while, supposedly, hordes of murderers and rapists roamed the streets, the government had been forced to reconfigure the parliamentary agenda to rush through stopgap legislation to respond to the High Court decision.

    Not since Scott Morrison declared a national emergency over a few needles in strawberries and rammed through legislation imposing tough penalties, has the parliament been subject to such rude haste.

    On Thursday, curfews, monitoring controls and jail terms for visa breaches were added to the conditions already imposed on those released by the court. The Coalition demanded amendments, and Labor accepted them.

    Yet, it had been over a week since the High Court ruled it illegal to indefinitely detain non-citizens who can’t be deported, after hearing the case of a detained Rohingya man who was a convicted child sex abuser but with no prospect of repatriation to Myanmar.

    In the interim, the government said it was doing all it could, in co-operation with the states, to ensure community safety, but contended it could not legislate a response until the High Court published its reasons.

    The pressure brought to bear by the opposition, talkback radio and breakfast television changed all that and, once more, Labor backbenchers were scratching their heads at how flatfooted the leadership had been

    Why, they asked, had the government not been ready with a legislated response so it could move immediately in the event of losing the case?.

    “No doubt, we should have had a response ready to roll,” said one MP.

    Instead, it allowed itself to be boxed around the ears for a week by the opposition and the tabloid media before being made to look reactionary.

    Even during this period, when the government was clearly looking at options, its obsession with secrecy and its growing disdain for transparency meant it refused to answer even basic, harmless questions from journalists about what it was considering.

    Instead, all we got were smug answers, such as this from Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus on Monday in response to a detailed question: “As a government, we will do all that is necessary to keep the Australian community safe.”

    This attitude made the hole even bigger for Dutton to drive through and ultimately claim victory following what was, in large part, a confected crisis.

    “The government had the ability in June … to be able to respond by way of legislation or other administrative changes to deal with this very real threat to the Australian community,” Dutton told parliament as the bill sailed through the lower house on Thursday.

    “So, was legislation drafted in June? Was it drafted in July? Was it drafted in August? Was it drafted in September or October? It wasn’t even drafted 24 hours ago.”

    It was Labor’s nightmare and Dutton’s fantasy to be again fighting on immigration issues.

    Moreover, it was Dutton signalling that this is how it’s going to be over the next 12 to 18 months before the election. No mercy.

  98. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Iran is still home to the largest Jewish population in the Middle East, outside Israel.”

    A community that keeps a very low profile, and is subjected to routine government harassment. The Iranian Jewish community now numbers about 30,000, a quarter of what it was before the Shah fell.

    Before the Pahlavi monarchy, which secularised Iran, pogroms against Jews were common.

  99. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    London Police Claim They Were Powerless to Act as Palestine Protesters Stormed War Memorial

    London police are playing Three Blind Mice. In addition to the powers used in the above mentioned arrests, they’ve since been gifted a whole new special law, specifically to arrest people who climb onto or otherwise disrespect monuments.

    The Desecration of Monuments Bill 2020. One of the shortest bills ever, 330 words, (or about a quarter of an A4 page)

  100. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Btw, does anyone know why Brave won’t work on the site? I keep getting the following message:

    Request Header Fields Too Large

    The server refused this request because the request header fields are too large

  101. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Could there be a light at the end of the very far tunnel that is Victoria?

    The revolution started with Portsea GC. Must say I didn’t see that coming.

  102. shatterzzz Avatar

    Watched series 1 of THE WINTER KING the latest TV version of the King Arthur legend .. this one based on the Bernard Cornwell book …….. and not quite the Arthurian legend I grew up with ……
    Very average! .. poor script .. characters talking in the style of English that definitely wouldn’t have been around in early Saxon times .. LOL! .. lotza polite and apologetic interactions .. crossover plotlines coming at the wrong times & not gel-ing .. bloke playing Arthur comes across as fairly wimpish and overdoing the “trying to pleeze everyone” theme .. and, in keeping with our woke times, a “blek” right hand “knight” .. pretty sure there wouldn’t have been any “bleks” in positions of power in circa 800AD England .. in fact not altogether certain there would have been “bleks” roaming England, period! ..
    Sadly, 3/10 the best I can go ……..

  103. dover0beach Avatar

    There have been five attempts at a “Two State” solution since the late 1930’s. Israel has accepted each one, the Pali’s have rejected each one, while continuing to demand the total annihilation of the State of Israel.

    Had I lived in Tyre in the late 30s, why would I have supported a ‘two-state solution’? Jewish people constituted a less than third of the population and the vast majority of this were recent émigrés. I would have been pressing for the independent state promised by the British and paid for by fighting against the Ottomans in the WW1. This would have only increased following ’48, particular if my family and I had been run out of Tyre with what ever we could carry. Increase this by a notch or more if any relations, close or distant had been killed or died of exhaustion. This disposition would have probably only intensified post-’67. Post-’73, who knows? Events might have impressed upon me the need to support a deal of some sort with conditions given the circumstances. Still, even if this occurred its simply wrong to believe that the Israelis in the ’60s and ’70s, any more than in the 40s and 50s, felt an urgent need for a ‘two-state’ solution. If they had, settlers wouldn’t have been allowed to move into the recently occupied territories under military protection.

  104. JC Avatar

    Someone needs to get a job in a foundry instead of lazing around home unemployed. I’m sure there are jobs.

  105. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Phabulous Phil smells the wind. Is that drums?

  106. Alamak! Avatar

    WFH is an excellent tag to identify the workers that can be replaced by AI and/or offshoring. Someone, or something, can probably do 80% of the WFH jobs 24/7 at 20% of the cost.

  107. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Nov 17, 2023 10:51 AM

    You compared Johana to the collaborators based on her ancestry.

    That’s nonsense. It takes a confused mind to make that assessment. 

    That was the very clear implication of the comment about the enthusiasm of the Dutch for handing over Jews during WW2.
    And it was in direct response to a comment from Johanna.
    Don’t deflect.
    Own it.

  108. John H. Avatar
    John H.

    Dot Avatar
    Nov 17, 2023 11:02 AM
    Or you can get your employees to come to the office, where you can manage them properly, so that both the wannabe slackers and the industrious ones are productive.

    Just sack the bad workers.

    You’re not counting the massive overhead that an office entails.

    Often 2+ hours travelling time. 2 hours lost in a 8-10 hour day. Nuts. Expensive, frustrating, and turns peak hour into mad hour. What matters is productivity, not time at work. We should have productivity sheets not time sheets.

    DOT I wonder if the CEOs complaining about WFH resent those employees because the CEOs have to do the travel and all the pain that entails. Instead of whining about WFHs they should be designing processes to monitor and enhance their productivity.

  109. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Attended a combined work and academia competition in recent days. Thank goodness I do not have to deal directly with academia. Some observations..

    Every presentation had to begin with acknowledgement of the McKenzies, the traditional owners of the land…

    Climate Change is not contestable.

    Cars are evil and must be removed from the roads.

    Wind farms are a great idea and ‘make us all feel good’.

    Climate change solutions are factual and proven. We just need a shyteload more of taxpayer funds. You know rob from the lower middle class and give to the upper middle class.

    I even saw one solution, where people moving thru a turnstile to access public transport can be made into a generator. The turnstile will generate electricity. Reminds me of Chynah showing Milton Freedman how there were jobs for all by giving them shovels for earthworks. Freedman responded with ‘why not give the spoons?’ Instead of turnstiles, why not make people walk around in circles pushing a spoke connect to a generator or heavy wheel.

    The ideas coming out of this particular academia show me it is not just thought bubbles. The left wing thing is in their DNA and has a religious feeling about it.

  110. Tom Avatar

    Phabulous Phil smells the wind. Is that drums?

    Never let it be said that Phabulous Phil Coorey is the Liars’ man in the Canberra press gallery.

    Phabulous Phil is a pox-on-both-their-houses man. In other words, the Phabulous heart belongs to the Greenfilth.

  111. Alamak! Avatar

    The revolution started with Portsea GC. Must say I didn’t see that coming.

    first, but not last, set of golf clubs up against the wall.

    wonder if this revolution might be televized?

  112. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Re Philippa Langley’s claim: The Princes in the Tower were not murdered by Richard III but spirited to Europe and later tried to retake the crown…

    I admire Philippa for her determination and research in the Richard III discovery. But I’d have to ask a) why would two princes with claims to the throne not say who they were, as it gathers more support, and b) if the princes had indeed survived, then who were the two skeletons discovered in the Tower?

  113. OldOzzie Avatar

    Journalists can’t be writers and activists

    By signing anti-Israel petitions, journalists demonstrate they lack professional independence.

    Michael Gawenda

    A week ago people identifying themselves as members of the journalists’ union, the Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance, signed a public letter which they circulated on social media and sent to news organisations, including the ABC.

    The letter condemned the Australian government’s support for “Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza”. The letter went on to demand that the government change its policies and condemn Israel for its genocide of the people of Gaza.

    The letter was signed by hundreds of people and if you scroll through the names, the journalists who have signed it – some I know – do not refer to themselves as journalists but media workers.

    Did they not want to be recognised as journalists? Perhaps they believe the designation journalist is now no-longer meaningful. After all, being a journalist implies an adherence to certain values and ethical principles.

    Like fairness, like factual accuracy, like making sure you are not – and could not be seen to be – pushing an agenda, being an activist for a cause.

    It is on that basis that journalists have certain rights.

    The right, for instance, to ask questions of people in power and even the right to poke into the lives of people who are not particularly powerful.

    The right to protect sources and the right to offer a public interest defence of journalism that breaches privacy laws and even national security laws. Among other rights and privileges.

    All this is why the codes of conduct of most media organisations, including the ABC, forbid journalists from being members of a political party or any other organisation that they might one day have to cover.

    That’s the price we journalists pay for the rights and privileges we enjoy.

    How then does the MEAA letter – signed by media workers, most of whom once called themselves journalists – square with this sort of ethical basis for journalism, for this sort of code of conduct?

    It does not.

    Fair, accurate

    How could any of these media workers, given what they have signed, ever cover anything to do with the conflict between Israel and Palestinians and be believed and trusted to be fair and accurate?

    This letter is not the only one journalists have signed.

    In May 2021, hundreds of journalists and media workers signed a petition urging journalists and media companies to “no-longer prioritise the same discredited spokespeople and tired narratives” and instead make space for the Palestinians who are the victims in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

    I assume that included making space for Hamas?

    It went on to say that media companies should respect the right of journalists to “publicly and openly express personal solidarity with the Palestinian cause without penalty in their professional lives”.

    Is this not troubling?

    Journalists demanding the right to a sort of activism for a cause?

    Journalists demanding to prioritise some voices over others, on the basis of what these journalists believe about this most complicated conflict.

    Is it not troubling that one day they may have to cover the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, or the way that conflict is playing out in Australia? How could their reporting ever betrusted?

    Indeed, it has happened. Journalists who signed this petition have written major stories about the conflict and its impact in Australia. They wrote news stories.

    Were they “prioritising voices” in their reporting?

    Were they activists for the Palestinian cause? Who knows?

    But they clearly had a conflict of interest. They should not have been allowed anywhere near the story.

    There have been other petitions and letters since the Hamas slaughter of civilians on October 7.

    Journalists signed these letters too. There was no mention of October 7 in most of these letters.

    They signed a letter produced by the cultural and literary magazine Overland, which is supported by the taxpayers of Victoria.

    One of the signatories and instigators of the letter is a senior lecturer in journalism.

    The letter is full of the crude jargon of anti-colonialism, so ideologically driven, essentially justifying the Hamas attack, that Barry Jones, the magazine’s patron, described it as “appalling”.

    Journalists signed this letter. Including senior journalists who work in the mainstream media.

    An increasing number of journalists want to be social-justice warriors, anti-racism warriors, anti-colonialist warriors. This is a trend across the English-speaking world.

    In the main, media companies have not called them out.

    Mostly, they have been silent.

    They cannot remain silent.

    Media companies need to get over their timidity and fear of offending their staff.

    They must tell their journalists that they cannot sign letters and petitions. That they cannot be promoters of any cause.

    The companies must do this if they want the journalism they produce to be believed and trusted.

  114. JC Avatar


    Dunt let mi cat ch yiu jointing pillow ons. Tid want ent nicccley.

  115. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Have Bud Light sales reached zero yet?
    I have got the easel out and flipped over a clean sheet of butcher’s paper and done some sums.
    Well, it turns out that sequential heavy quarterly percentage drops in sales will never result in zero sales.
    The butcher’s paper says the sales curve is “asymptotic”, whatever the hell that means.
    In any case, I have lost interest in graphing the demise of Bud Light.

  116. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Media companies need to get over their timidity and fear of offending their staff.

    Is this the way to Damascus?

  117. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer


    Nov 17, 2023 9:21 AM

    succinct vid on why no-one else in the neighbourhood has joined the fray. Apparently Egyptians don’t like Palestinians, not one little bit.

    Someone listed here the other day the Moosley countries in the Middle East with Pally refugee camps or a resettlement program.
    About two of twenty.

  118. shatterzzz Avatar

    Btw, does anyone know why Brave won’t work on the site?
    I’ve been using BRAVE as my main browser since not long after it started up .. had no, out of the ordinary, problems with this or any other site ……

  119. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Vice-chancellor Margaret Sheil told ABC Radio

    I wonder if she thinks Sheil is the gender-neutral form of Sheila?

  120. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer


    See Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey.

    Though a novel it forensically looks into who murdered the princes. Set as a murder investigation, the main protagonist is a copper who firmly comes down on the side of the innocence of Richard III. Well worth reading.


    In 1990 it was voted number one in The Top 100 Crime Novels of All Time list compiled by the British Crime Writers’ Association.[1] In 1995 it was voted number four in The Top 100 Mystery Novels of All Time list compiled by the Mystery Writers of America.

  121. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    So, the Marxist Feds have cut $1.4 billion kangaroo pesos from NSW Infrastructure projects. Not too sure about all the other States but as I live in Sydney, I will use NSW as an example of the cuts. And maybe the Guv’ment is right (for once).

    Apparently, these projects do not have a ‘Proper Business Case’.

    So, you Marxist Feral Guv’ment, please show me the ‘Proper Business Case’ for Snowy 2 and poor Florence stuck in the tunnel. Latest costs and benefits anyone?

    And the NBN, which was conjured up on the back of an envelope (a coaster actually) at 30,000 feet up in the air by two Plonkers. One of whom wore red underpants on his noggin a little while later. Under the influence of something or other. Hubris most probably. The other Plonker was the KRudd, No need to say anymore on that.

    And what abaat’ the NDIS which is NOT an Insurance Scheme. It’s a scheme alright – A Scheme to rob Peter to pay Paul. Jump in everyone who has a disabilty. Free money for all.

    And that $400 million kangaroo pesos wasted on the Yes/No Referendum could have been used to build……………..something or other. FFS.

  122. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    See Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey.

    Though a novel it forensically looks into who murdered the princes. Set as a murder investigation, the main protagonist is a copper who firmly comes down on the side of the innocence of Richard III. Well worth reading.”

    Just thinking of Tey and her book. It is a good read but I still feel Richard authorised the murders of his nephews.

  123. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Sancho – Quarterly earnings falling by 29%, and market capitalization dropping by $11.4 billion is quite a lot of damaged to be caused by one tranny.

  124. shatterzzz Avatar

    You’re not counting the massive overhead that an office entails.

    The transport company my youngest daughter worked for before & until just after the lockdowns were quite happy with WFH .. they had 3 of there nationwide, separate, office block leases to run out & didn’t renew with more planned as leases expire ……
    My son tellz me that his mob dropped 2 floors of their North Sydney HQ and now folk share desks by WFH on differing dayz …..
    So I’d say for a lot of folk WFH is here to stay ………..

  125. OldOzzie Avatar

    Let me give Kudos to my Internet Supplier Aussie Boardband

    We were on scheduled NBN downtime for 11 hours yesterday, due to couple of electricity poles being replaced/added around the corner – at least we did not lose power for those 11 hours as did some neighbours around the corner

    Came 1815 – Internet not up – in this day & age with Foxtel now Internet rather than previous HFC Cable, and Prime, Disney+, Stan, Netflix Fetch etc all Internet – thankfully Big screen TV connected to Digital Aerial & Wife able to watch Channel 7 news

    Rang Aussie Broadband – Said NBN had advised back up

    Into Kids Playroom where NBN comes in (taking my life in my hands, as I stumbled across Lego and Toys strewn on floor) guided by, as always, excellent Australian AuusieBroad Band Technical support, went through usual approaches to isolate problem , including getting fine compass point to do reset on NBN Box, when paper clip was too big.

    After 15 Mins, I said I believed the problem still lay with NBN, and young fellow agreed & had just started a Error Log for NBN call out,b when he said – it has just come up NBN state there is still a problem

    He said give them 2 hours – and he would either ring me or send a message

    AussieBroadband Message received at 2000 – NBN back up – Relief can watch F1 Las Vegas starting at 1430 today with Bundy & Pepsi Max

    Great service AussieBroad Band – NBN – A Waste of Australian Taxpayers Money

  126. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Fair Shake
    Nov 17, 2023 11:57 AM

    There are plenty of hamsters running and turning the wheels. Only, they don’t know that they are the hamsters.

  127. OldOzzie Avatar

    Harrowing account as CEO of US Jewish Federation sits through 7 OCT Hamas video compilation

    Last night I surrendered my phone and signed a waiver. And then I sat with a small group and an Israeli military attaché and we watched the 45 minute compilation of Hamas videos from October 7th.

    We saw the killings of 138 innocent civilians. That’s about a tenth of the total of killings, as well as the rapes, injuries, and looting.

    The Hamas terrorists deliberately used GoPros and mobile phones.

    They wanted their crimes recorded, to continue to terrorize.

    Here are my initial thoughts:

    The joy, the gleeful laughter, the depraved happiness over killing Jews.

    The exclamations of celebration over death and pain.

    The callousness, inhuman pleasure and amusement over slaughtering innocent lives.

    The shameless brutality.

    These are monsters.

    They can never be reclaimed. They can never be forgiven.

    The systemized, organized, methodical approach to killing. Go back and shoot this person in the head. Make sure those girls are dead. The organization of mass killing.

    The Gazan ‘innocent civilians’ who came over the border in the 3rd wave that morning, to loot, rape, kill, & capture bodies, live & dead, for Hamas rewards.

    The joy of the ‘innocent civilians’ who rejoiced in the streets as hostages & bodies were paraded in the streets.

    The cheering.

    The spitting and kicking and beating.

    The hate.

    The cruelty.

    The social acceptance of kidnapping and killing Jews in Palestinian society.

    The two boys seeing their father killed, watching as a terrorist takes a bottle of coke out of their fridge.

    The tortured and raped young girl with her underwear around her ankles, joints bent backwards.

    The girls screaming.

    The terror.

    The burned bodies, wrists tied behind their backs.

    Mutilated corpses.

    The first responder trying to find live bodies and realizing that everyone, everyone around him was killed.

    As I walked out of the screening room there were Israelis in the corridor, just hugging people who were walking out crying.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Ok Vicplod, fair enough since that’s the law.
    Now arrest all those people who’ve been advocating genocide.

    Melbourne man, 55, charged after ‘performing Nazi salute’ outside Newport residential address (Sky News, 17 Nov)

    “It is alleged the salute was performed outside a Mason Street residential address about 3.50am on 12 November,” police said in a statement.

    The Summary Offences Amendment (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Act 2023 was passed into law and given royal assent in October 2023.

    “It is incredibly disappointing that we need these laws,” Victoria Premier Jacinta Allan said after the Act cleared the Legislative Council.

    It’s even more incredibly disappointing, lady, that you can’t seem to apply these laws fairly without fear or favour. Hypocrite.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA cats, you have a magnificent state.

    Thank you, we are quite proud of the place.

  130. Tom Avatar

    Michael Gawenda in the AFR (H/T Old Ozzie at 12.02pm):

    An increasing number of journalists want to be social-justice warriors, anti-racism warriors, anti-colonialist warriors. This is a trend across the English-speaking world.

    It’s now sticking out like dog’s balls: mainstream media journalism is no longer the public’s eyes and ears. In fact, 90%+ of university-educated journalists despise the public and think they’re too stupid to vote.

    Journalism is no longer curious about the world and fulfilling its primary mission of conveying information.

    The vast majority of those attending J-school are now activists who see their primary mission as pushing “narratives” — the opposite of information. They see their role as telling the public (who they despise) how to think.

    PS: Michael Gawenda used to be an editor of mine. A Jew, he has been red-pilled mostly because he has seen how irrational most journalists have become over the Hamas-Israel war in taking the side of the terrorists.

  131. Kneel Avatar

    “Yep public shamming.

    All the restrictions on free speech have predicated on something reasonable .
    All those restrictions get used selectively.”

    It shouldn’t be illegal, it should be unthinkable – at least when done in a serious way.

    If the Roman (Nasti) Salute is illegal, then don’t you DARE air certain episodes of “Fawlty Towers” for instance – clearly not intended to suppress such usage, but could easily be so used.
    If the Roman Salute is illegal because “offensive”, then why not the Communist (“Black Power” – hand raised with closed fist) Salute? I find communism offensive, as do many others, why are our sensibilities also not protected by law?

  132. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    To date most beer commercials have been tranny lite. I would expect that trend to continue.

  133. Tom Avatar

    Coding stuffup above. The second par quotes Michael Gawenda:

    An increasing number of journalists want to be social-justice warriors, anti-racism warriors, anti-colonialist warriors. This is a trend across the English-speaking world.

  134. OldOzzie Avatar

    Britain has come to a fork in the road – prosperity or poverty

    The UK seems ill-governed, even ungovernable. No matter who wins the 2024 election, Britain risks lurching further downhill rather than finding sunlit uplands.

    Hans van Leeuwen Europe correspondent

    One of the last times David Cameron was outside No. 10 Downing Street was on June 24, 2016 – the morning after the country had voted to leave the European Union. Speaking to a throng of reporters, he said that because he had campaigned to remain wedded to the EU, he wasn’t the right leader to preside over the divorce. He would leave that to the “leavers”.

    Having announced his resignation with his trademark serious frown, he turned back towards Downing Street’s black door. But his lapel mike was still on, and as he went inside he could be heard lightly humming to himself. For Britons on both sides of the Brexit divide, that little “doo-doo, doo-doo” evoked, fairly or unfairly, the sense of a man nonchalantly washing his hands of consequences. Just break some pottery then sashay out of the barn, as any born-to-rule blue-blood would or should.

    A year ago, he was still telling people who asked that he would never go back into politics – especially after the bruising scandal surrounding his rule-flexing post-premiership lobbying for the now-fallen financier Lex Greensill. Even when he was PM, he reputedly enjoyed settling down of an evening to a good TV box set with his wife rather than wading through his ministerial papers.

    So, he seemed all set to relax in perpetuity in the shepherd’s hut in the garden of his Cotswolds home, drawing his $220,000-a-year pension, leaving the hermitage once in a while to contribute to a charitable cause. But a seven-year-itch seems to have developed, and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak came scratching.

    On Monday, there was Cameron outside the door of Downing Street again, and heading inside. The gathered press pack was mystified: on the day of a ministerial reshuffle, only MPs getting a promotion entered the building that way – surely this wasn’t a Cameron comeback?

    Yes, it was. Late on Monday morning, Cameron was appointed foreign secretary, and to facilitate this he will be briskly inducted into the House of Lords. An hour later, he was meeting India’s foreign minister, who had expected to be sitting down with Cameron’s Foreign Office predecessor. Within three days, he was in Kyiv shaking hands with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. If Cameron has found all this a bit surreal, he’s not alone.

    So began another chapter in the torrid tale of a carnivalesque Conservative government that, ever since Cameron’s departure, has lurched almost ceaselessly from crisis to crisis, almost all self-inflicted.

    On the world stage, Britain is still a punchy country: it arms Ukraine, it galvanises coalitions of the willing, it signs trade deals, and it holds its own at the top tables of geopolitics. But domestically, the country feels ill-governed, and almost ungovernable.

    Having lumbered through Brexit, COVID, and a particularly severe bout of inflation, Britain has the air of a nation coming to a fork in the road. One choice, voluntary or involuntary, is to stagger further downhill, becoming a country yet more divided, dispirited and directionless. The other option is to find a route back to political efficacy and economic prosperity.

    Do the country’s politicians and public servants, and their attendant cadres of commentators and consultants, have the ability, or even the will, to take the high road? That question, it seems, will be answered only by the 2024 election and its aftermath.

    Drunken sailors

    At the moment, the Conservative Party heads into that election, which could take place any time next year, in a dire state. It has proven unable to wriggle free from beneath a crushing 20-point lead in the opinion polls held by the opposition Labour Party. Even if that gap is halved in the next six to 12 months, a heavy loss looms large.

    This prospect is taking its toll on the 13-year-old government. The Conservatives’ ill-discipline, their public rancour, the discord over political strategy and policy, the stream of resignations and retirements, creates an unmistakable vibe: that of a governing party readying itself for opposition.

    Resuscitating Cameron was supposed to remind MPs and voters of the Tories’ 2010-15 period – in memory, at least, a time of relative governmental stability and purpose. But the appointment was so left-field that it only served to underscore the febrility and weirdness of Westminster today.

    The Tories are a resilient bunch. Under prime minister Boris Johnson, they did actually bounce back from the extended chaos of his predecessor Theresa May’s attempts to deliver a Brexit deal during the parliamentary dramas of 2017-18. But after Johnson’s thumping 2019 election win came his lockdown-busting parties during the COVID-19 pandemic, and his generally ramshackle and careless approach to both public administration and personal probity.

    And then, in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis, came the politically inept and fiscally cavalier Liz Truss, whose 49-day premiership is remembered only for failing to outlast the lifespan of limp lettuce.

    At the time, Sunak seemed like the only sober officer amid a shipful of drunken sailors. So, it was his knife thrust that felled Johnson, and it was into his lap that the leadership fell after bouncing out of Truss’ grip.

    His role in these two regicides has made him far less popular with his Conservative colleagues than he ought to be because he offers something for everyone. For the party’s right, he was a Brexiteer before it was cool; he is a Thatcherite; he is socially conservative; he is not a climate crusader; and he doesn’t shy away from the culture wars.

    For the centrists, he is fiscally prudent, and interested in free-market solutions to Britain’s social and economic shortcomings. But the biggest factor in his favour for moderates, and what alienates him from the party’s right, is his role in toppling Johnson and Truss.

    There is one thing all Tories can agree on, though: he isn’t going to save the party from electoral defeat. The public feels little warmth for him, although they’re equally cool on his opposite number Keir Starmer.

    The home secretary he sacked this week, right-wing firebrand Suella Braverman, published a letter expressing this sentiment in terms even Sunak’s supporters could barely dispute.

    “Your plan is not working … your resets have failed, and we are running out of time,” she said.

    Sunak’s plan is to fulfil five pledges to the British people, which he made in January. Three are economic: halve inflation, get the economy growing, and reduce the national debt. He is on course to achieve these, but he might not reap a reward in votes for doing so.

    The fourth pledge is to cut the bloated waiting lists for health services, where he has made no progress. The fifth is to “stop the boats” – the drip, drip, drip of illegal migrants crossing from Calais.

    Holed below the waterline

    The idea was to send the arrivals straight to Rwanda for processing. But because those found to be genuine asylum seekers would not be readmitted to Britain, the Supreme Court this week decided there was a risk the Rwandans would send the refugees back to their own countries.

    This would make the plan illegal under international law, and the judges struck it down.

    The party’s right has a solution: Britain should exit, or derogate from, the international institutions, treaties or laws that constrain the government. Sunak, operating in the real world, has his own fix: turn the deal with Rwanda into a treaty, so Rwanda has a binding obligation to keep the genuine refugees.

    Even if this works, the government will be lucky to get a planeload en route to Rwanda before the election. So, from a political standpoint, Sunak will be seen to have failed on the most electorally significant of his five pledges. The furious frustration of his party’s right flank about this is very much on public display.

    The immigration fracas is typical of the bind Sunak is in. The party’s right wing is already in effect in opposition, pushing simplistic solutions that might be popular but are impracticable. Sunak and his ministers are still trying to govern, and cannot hope to satisfy this Statler and Waldorf gallery of disgruntled Tories.

    Even if Sunak produces their coveted tax cuts in the March budget – the last before an election that could happen as early as May or as late as December – he will somehow end up being taken to task over them.

    The tax cuts may help warm up a frosty voting public. But the overwhelming sentiment, at least right now, is that it’s time for change at Westminster – even if very few voters are particularly inspired by the dour and cautious Starmer.

    The Labour Leader has his own problems: he is hamstrung by his own and his party’s electoral anxiety; he has a psephological mountain to climb on election day; and his party is at risk of shedding crucial pockets of voter support over its stance on Israel-Palestine.

    When Cameron was in Starmer’s opposition leader shoes, a year before the 2010 election, he was riding high, much as Labour is now. Yet, that election ended up delivering a hung parliament. That is still a conceivable outcome next year, and could well leave British politics lumbering towards the swamp.

    If Starmer does win a majority, it may transpire that he, like Sunak, actually presides over a divided party incapable of managing its disagreements internally. And even if his team is united, it is unclear if he has a clear vision and agenda to take Britain onto the high road, or whether he shares the Tories’ reflex reach for backwards-facing solutions and slogans.

    The crossroads is coming. But for now, it’s still impossible to tell which path this rattled and rickety country will choose to travel.

  135. OldOzzie Avatar

    Michael Ramirez replies to that craven move from the Washington Post to cancel his cartoon

    The gruesome details and brutal savagery of the October 7 attack launched by Hamas operatives on innocent civilians was shocking to even the most battled-hardened soldiers and war correspondents.

    Evidence of beheadings, babies shot in their cribs, parents shot in front of their children, entire families massacred, the torture and execution of the elderly, people burned alive, and hundreds of young people gunned down while attending a musical festival for peace, were widely reported and verified by video, audio, and forensic evidence.

    Most people would be horrified.

    Yet in an interview on Lebanese television, Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad hailed the brutal October 7 attack and pledged to repeat the October 7 attack again and again until Israel is “removed,” claiming Hamas “was the victim,” therefore “everything they do is justified.”

    That interview was the inspiration for a recent cartoon I drew for the Washington Post depicting Gazi Hamad and his human shields.

    But my cartoon was pulled off the Washington Post editorial website amid an internal outcry.

    Critics claimed the cartoon was “racist” for stereotyping and demonizing Palestinians. They said the cartoon ignored the death of thousands and the suffering of millions of Palestinians as a result of the Israeli military response.

    Which is laughable all by itself. Ramirez explains the main reason very well:

    This cartoon was designed with specificity. Its focus is on a specific individual and the statements he made on behalf of a specific organization he represents—their claims of victimhood, and the plight of innocent Palestinians used as pawns in their political and military strategy.

    That person is Ghazi Hamad. The caricature of the central figure looks like Ghazi Hamad.

    The organization is Hamas. The main figure in the cartoon is labeled Hamas.

    Hamad’s words and the innocents bound to him as human shields and their forced martyrdom reflect the official position of Hamas.

    Hamas is a terrorist organization that blames Israel for the attack on civilians, but ignores its own complicity in their suffering. It was Hamas that first launched the attack on Israel, continues to use civilian infrastructure as cover, and restricts the evacuation of Gaza civilians from areas which Israel has given advanced warning of strikes.

    Here is the cartoon:

  136. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    I saw (fleetingly) commentary up thread against Ben Shapiro.

    Shapiro is good value.

    I am not barracking for either him or Candace to lose. I hope they patch things up. And perhaps see where the other is coming from without necessarily agreeing.

    Vive la difference and all that.

    We are not progressives who demand absolute doctrinal uniformity (because they have a mission and any idea that does not advance that mission is a poison to be excreted*) but the other guys – conservatives, libertarians, the devout, and even cranks, who believe it is about living together now – the future will make itself when people get there.

    * Funny thing is (and it is only funny because it hurts them) is that progressives no longer even have a distinct mission. They simply demand doctrinal purity because it feels like purpose.

  137. OldOzzie Avatar

    ‘I’m just trying to envisage this’: Senator left stunned as Optus CEO reveals surprising way she discovered the network was down

    Senators have been left astonished by the story of how the Optus boss found out the network had crashed last Wednesday, leaving millions of Australians unable to contact loved ones and access the internet.

    Optus CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin has retraced her steps of the day network ground to a halt to a Senate committee, revealing she found out about the outage like every other customer.

    Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young, who called for an inquiry a day after the 14-hour outage, was left visibly stunned by the chief executive’s testimony on Friday morning.

    “When I got up in the morning I could see that the phone wasn’t working and so I immediately decided to head into the office,” Ms Rosmarin told the committee.

    “At that time, I thought I would call the team on the way because it is quite unusual to for both the data and voice networks, which are run separately, to be down together.

    “Once I was in the car and I couldn’t not call the team, I realised it must be a more serious outage since I was already en route, I continued driving and I did not stop and switch to an alternative SIM.”

    Ms Hanson-Young was quick to respond, tersely pointing out the similarity between how ordinary Australians and the Optus CEO discovered the problem.

    “You woke up, your phone wasn’t working so you knew something was going on, many Australians did the same thing,” she said.

    “But of course, you are the boss of Optus. So you knew something really wasn’t working.”

    When pressed on what sort of backup Optus had to ensure its leadership team could still communicate during an outage,

    Ms Rosmarin explained some key members had extra SIM cards on hand but acknowledged the system needed to be improved.

    The Greens Senator then issued a stinging rebuke to the Optus chief.

    “You’re the second largest communications company in the country and you couldn’t communicate,” she declared.

    “But some of your people have the ability to switch SIMS … most Australians don’t have that. You had insurance for yourselves, but your customers didn’t.

    “Do you think that is a problem?”

    Ms Rosmarin reassured the Senator it was “highly unusual” for all of the different systems to be down at the same time.

  138. bespoke Avatar

    4. Tucker is now an isolationist bundler (the opposite of a neocon bundler who conflates Ukraine and Israel, morally).

    Indeed, the comparisons are ludicrous, C.L. I think Trucker has let fame go to his head.

  139. Gabor Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 12:33 PM

    PS: Michael Gawenda used to be an editor of mine. A Jew, he has been red-pilled mostly because he has seen how irrational most journalists have become over the Hamas-Israel war in taking the side of the terrorists.

    I remember him differently, when he was posted to the US.

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  141. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    Tom: Gawenda encouraged bright young things to warble about their pet causes during his time editing the crappy paper in his lounge suit. He did nothing to stop The Age from becoming the voice of Brunswick, and in fact encouraged it.

  142. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    This Blog needs more down thumbers.

    So, here is some more ArmSTRONG for the down thumber/bummers –

    Nikki Haley Wants Social Media Users to Verify Identity with Government

    “Nikki Haley is a dangerous person who is pro-establishment and anti-American. Haley is eager for war with all of America’s adversaries simultaneously. This top Neocon would also like to place harsh restrictions on Americans, including our freedom of speech. Her most recent braindead idea states that all social media users should verify their identification.

    “When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms. Let us see why they’re pushing what they’re pushing. The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name,” Haley demanded. As with all laws shrouded in removing liberties, Haley claims this is a matter of national security. Social media platforms remain one of the last places that people can collectively share idea.

    We do not need to show identification to vote, but we need one to sign onto X? She believes that the online wars between Israel and Palestine supporters is reason enough to remove our ability to share ideas on the internet without checking in with Big Brother first. This would permit the government to track our personal social media accounts with more ease. Social platforms would be required to submit user data to the US government, but she does not say what the government will do with this data. The government has long wanted a backdoor into social media platforms to track all our correspondences.

    Her GOP rivals like DeSantis and Ramaswamy have attacked her plans. “You know who were anonymous writers back in the day? Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison when they wrote the Federalist Papers. They were not ‘national security threats,’ nor are the many conservative Americans across the country who exercise their Constitutional right to voice their opinions without fear of being harassed or canceled by the school they go to or the company they work for,” DeSantis wrote.

    Hence it is crucial who comes into power next year as there are many establishment candidates who do not care about their constituents. Haley has not even been elected and she is drunk with power. This woman needs to be kept away from the White House as she has no respect for the US Constitution”.

  143. JC Avatar

    Has anyone here had the covid antiviral meds and do they work?

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For anyone who’s interested in the juicy details, and looking for alternative reading, I’d recommend “Sex and Sexuality in Tudor England” by Carol McGrath.

  145. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Just because nobody complains doesn’t mean all parachutes are perfect.

    – Benny Hill

  146. Dunny Brush Avatar
    Dunny Brush

    And in positioning news: news Ltd is publishing Mrs Shorten’s won’t-somebody-think-of-the-children pieces. Won’t be long now.

  147. JC Avatar

    This Blog needs more down thumbers.

    It has you and a couple of others spending most of their time massively ticking comments.
    You’re such a limey grub wodney.

  148. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    I have been reading science news for many years, and the final holdout against woke had been astronomy. But now the woke takeover is complete.

    Australian astronomy center achieves gender parity in astronomy in just five years (16 Nov)

    I’m sad that science is dying like this. Gender or skin colour should have nothing to do with it. But that’s how it is now.

  149. Zatara Avatar

    Someone listed here the other day the Moosley countries in the Middle East with Pally refugee camps or a resettlement program.
    About two of twenty.

    T’was I.

    The Palestinians have pissed off a lot of countries in the Middle East over the years.
    Reviewing the bidding regarding the popularity of the Palis among their brethren:

    11 Pali refugee camps in Lebanon
    13 Pali refugee camps in Jordan
    (Neither country allows them to become permanent citizens).

    – Striking Palestinian workers were booted from Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Iraq in the mid-1950s.
    – Jordan expelled 20,000 Palestinians in 1970 and destroyed the camps where they were living.
    – In 1994-95, Libya tossed tens of thousands of Palestinians when the Oslo Accords were gutted by the PLO’s Yasser Arafat.
    – Roughly 21,000 Palestinians willingly fled Iraq in 2003 after a wave of persecution.
    – Almost 31,000 Palestinian refugees were left homeless in Beirut when the Lebanese army destroyed their encampment.
    – Kuwait violently removed no less than 200,000 Palestinians in 1991 after Iraq’s occupation of the oil-rich nation because the PLO sided with Saddam Hussein, even though most of the Palestinians didn’t support the PLO.
    – Another 200,000 who fled when Iraq invaded were not permitted to return when the Iraqi army was defeated by an America-led coalition.

  150. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 12:48 PM

    You have had too many of the wrong meds and the Fat Pizza.

    BTW, the Anger Management Classes await your first attendance. Free of charge under the NDIS.

  151. JC Avatar

    Johnny Rotten
    Nov 17, 2023 12:47 PM


    Wodney released some gas and now requires a diaper change.

    Armstrong is a crook and so is Wodney.

  152. OldOzzie Avatar

    Optus boss’ makes stunning 000 admission during bombshell hearing

    Optus didn’t know its customers could not call emergency services via mobiles services, a bombshell hearing has been told.

    Optus didn’t know its customers could not call emergency services via mobiles services during an outage that left 10 million Aussies cut off from their service.

    Boss Kelly Bayer Rosmarin has apologised to customers as she was lashed over her “pretty lousy” response to the November 8 outage.

    The embattled chief executive appeared before a parliamentary hearing alongside network business chief Lambo Kanagaratnam on Friday morning and admitted the service provider wasn’t aware of the triple-0 drama.

    “When I spoke to the minister at that time we had every reason to believe that the triple-0 system would work as designed and that all calls would go through on alternative networks,” she said.

    But she conceded the telco did know landline customers would not be able to contact emergency services.

    “It’s always the case that if a landline is down you can’t call triple-0. That’s known information,” she said. – (BUT under Old technology copper twisted pair you could always ring out – but on Government Enforced NBN VOIP – Network Goes Down “Landline” does not Work – Progress in 2023)

    A total of 228 calls to emergency services did not go through. The chief executive said Optus had since conducted welfare checks on those 228 people “and thankfully everybody is OK”.

    The Australian Communications and Media Authority has begun an investigation into Optus’s compliance with the rules on emergency calls. Ms Bayer Rosmarin said Optus welcomed the investigation.

    “The triple-0 system is supposed to be able to pick up the traffic when we have an outage like this,” Ms Bayer Rosmarin said.

    “If someone else has an outage, we should be picking up some of the calls. That’s how the system should work.”

    “Sounds like you want to share the blame around,” committee chair and Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young quipped back.

    Dramatic end to embattled boss’ grilling

    Ms Bayer Rosmarin quickly fled Parliament House flanked by five members of the Australian Federal Police at the end of her two-hour appearance.

    But the embattled chief executive refused to stop to answer questions from the media.

    Instead, awaiting journalists found a silent Ms Bayer Rosmarin in the middle of a scrum of security officers.

    At one point, Seven political reporter Isabelle Mullen was pushed out of the way as she attempted to put a couple of questions to the telco boss.

    “Please don’t push me,” she asks the police officers.

    “Well, don’t get in my way,” one responds.

    The scrum was following Ms Bayer Rosmarin as she exited via the public entrance into an awaiting white SUV.

  153. alwaysright Avatar

    do they work?

    That depends on the intended purpose.

  154. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Matrix once said he was a God Oracle in his family. That’s OK.

    Not quite.
    The context was the workplace where “people shit themselves when he walks into the room”* because of his God Oracle status when it comes to Air-con PLCs.

    * As KD and others have pointed out, he might well induce incontinence, but it is more likely to be people pissing themselves laughing at him.

  155. JC Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 12:59 PM

    Well obviously it would be for COVID, as no one would take them as a Viagra substitute.

  156. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    This could be about Junior Cretin –

    You’re about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest.

    – Rowan Atkinson

  157. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    This is what I really hate about Australian j’ism:

    ‘I’m just trying to envisage this’: Senator left stunned as Optus CEO reveals surprising way she discovered the network was down

    Senators have been left astonished by the story of how the Optus boss found out the network had crashed last Wednesday, leaving millions of Australians unable to contact loved ones and access the internet.

    Optus CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin has retraced her steps of the day network ground to a halt to a Senate committee, revealing she found out about the outage like every other customer.

    Three paragraphs. From the first your immediate question is “Well, how did she?”

    Then they drag it out over two more paragraphs, teasing it out with details that are not really connected to the question begging. Then these other points are recapitulated later in the text anyway when they are the focus.

    Compare this to British journalists.

  158. Dot Avatar

    Alamak! Avatar
    Nov 17, 2023 11:53 AM
    WFH is an excellent tag to identify the workers that can be replaced by AI and/or offshoring. Someone, or something, can probably do 80% of the WFH jobs 24/7 at 20% of the cost.

    No, most of the jobs that are WFH are knowledge jobs.

    How can ChatGPT replace a mathematician? It cannot. AI can help to make his job more productive.

    The un-WFH-able jobs are better for automation with human oversight.

    You cannot automate judgement and creativity.

  159. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    You’re about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest.

    – Rowan Atkinson

  160. OldOzzie Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 12:48 PM

    Has anyone here had the covid antiviral meds and do they work?


    I was taking what turned out to be Covid anti-viral meds/vitamins for years before Covid arrived

    NAC, Quercetin with Bromelain, Zinc, Vit D etc have added additional Bromelain as it helps faster healing after surgery, worked over 1 Major & 5 Monor Ops now

    I am only one of Immediate Family of 17 who did not have Covid Vaccine and also the only one in the family who did not get Covid – re vaccines definitely not mRNA, I was considering Novavax but gave it a miss when it took too long to come out

    I have HCQ & Azithromycin available if Covid were to occur, and now TGA is allowing Australian Doctors will ask GP next week for Ivermectin for additional coverage

  161. Dot Avatar

    The scrum was following Ms Bayer Rosmarin as she exited via the public entrance into an awaiting white SUV.

    That’s what was needed. More scrum masters, in the office, with more bullshit jobs!

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just because nobody complains doesn’t mean all parachutes are perfect.

    “Look, if the parachute doesn’t work, bring it back and we’ll give you another one.”

  163. JC Avatar

    Thanks Oz

    My kid is trying to get me some anti-virals as I’ve been flat on the back for two days and just now tested positive. Welcome to America, the land of the free.

  164. OldOzzie Avatar

    Thanks to Democrats, we in America helped fund Hamas’s terrorism. However, the terror we helped fund will destroy the West if we don’t let Israel fight and win.

    Retreat Was Not an Option Then and Is Not Now

    A 25-minute Tucker Carlson interview with Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy about the current conflict in Israel is very disturbing.

    Carlson raised the issue of national interests in the outcome and America’s decision to intervene beyond offering token sympathies to Israel despite the barbarity of the October 7 attacks.

    Ramaswamy appeared to concur, although he came across more sincere in his expression of sympathy than Carlson, who seemed to be saying what he thought was necessary given the circumstances.

    Carlson and Ramaswamy agreed that moral depravity does not justify U.S. intervention. It is not an unreasonable proposition. Before the Biden administration, I joined many others in believing that America could beat anyone but not everyone. It’s common sense that America does not have infinite resources to cure the world’s ills. Thus, we must choose carefully where we invest our efforts and spend our money.

    We fought ISIS (The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) because we perceived that their medieval barbarism, inspired by fanatical religious ideology, threatened Western civilization as well as the stability of the Middle East.

    Our slogan was, “If we do not fight them over there, then we will have to fight them here.” Slogan aside, our leaders got it right in that instance.

    That same slogan applies to what’s happening in Israel right now. But an even stronger reason to stand with Israel is best expressed in an old retailing axiom: “You break it, you bought it.”

    The Barack Obama and Joe Biden administrations, which some call the “Obiden Administrations,” are directly responsible for the current Nazi-like atrocities being committed against Israel.

    These two leftist administrations financed this terrorism.

    Even after revelations about war crimes committed against Israeli civilians, the Biden administration is proposing a new package of aid to Gaza!

    The Biden administration (along with most Americans) knows full well who will be the beneficiary of the $100 million dollars of new humanitarian aid.

    Secretary of State Blinken has admitted that the administration cannot be sure that the aid/funds will not fall into Hamas’s hands.

  165. rosie Avatar

    My mother was given the anti virals last year?
    She was a bit short of breath one night but recovered pretty quickly after that.

  166. OldOzzie Avatar

    Why Palestine Fails

    Before creating another “Palestinian state,” let’s consider its chance of success.

    We’ve had several different Arab states in and around Palestine. All failed, some disastrously.

    Will yet another Palestinian state envisioned by Anthony Blinken or some think tank become just one more “failed state,” indeed a state destined to fail?

    Some naïve Westerners suggest a few Arab states should run Gaza, maybe the West Bank, too. History suggests that option would fail, as it failed in the past.

    Jordan is already a sort of a fiction, a “trans” state with identity problems. Most “Jordanians” identify as Palestinians.

    Jordan is already scared of Palestinians and does not want any more. The same is true of Egypt. They know why.

    Jordan ruled the West Bank from 1949-1967 as Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip.

    Both areas, meant to be Arab Palestine, were treated harshly, not given independence.

    Strangely, nobody demanded “freeing Palestine” from occupiers “from the river to the sea.”

    After Arab states attacked Israel in 1967 (and lost), Israel retook Gaza and the West Bank, stifling terror. Israel hounded Arafat, who fled to Jordan where he re-established PLO bases.

    The PLO unleashed a global age of terror. It hijacked planes and tried to abduct entire Arab states, nearly destroying them.

    The Palestinians became pioneers in terror.

    That is why today, in 2023, not one Arab state offers to resettle them.

    The PLO ripped apart Jordan in 1969-70, trying to erect a PLO state in Amman. King Hussein defeated the PLO and saved his country, evicting the terrorists.

    They went to Lebanon, where they ignited a civil war and built another Palestinian terror state headquartered in Beirut.

    From there, Arafat launched more hijackings and the fatal attack on the 1972 Olympiad. Afterwards, PLO terrorists were often let go by Western governments afraid of more attacks.

    The PLO terror state grew. Local attacks on Israel’s northern border increased, until, in 1982, Israel defeated the PLO in Lebanon, evicting them to Tunisia. A decade later, Israeli leftists rescued Arafat, bringing him back to Israel/Palestine in 1993.

    In another “peace move” heralded by Israeli leftists, Ariel Sharon evicted Israel’s tiny civilian population from Gaza in 2005.

    Peace never came. Arab terror skyrocketed. Literally.

  167. Zatara Avatar

    There are pictures of dead children inside hospitals.

    That’s overly generous. Let’s call them photos of child shaped objects as Hamas has already boasted how clever they are by showing videos of their plastic doll crisis actors dressed as casualties.

    It would take a large degree of gullibility for instance to accept the recent photos Hamas claimed were of babies killed in al-Shifa hospital. 20 or so bundles of cloth conveniently placed on tables in such a manner that no identifiable body parts, blood, or even human skin were displayed.

    Nor was the obvious question asked, why were they collecting bodies of babies after their deaths in opposition to being buried as soon as possible in accordance with sharia burial dictates? Perhaps they should have been stored with the 10,000+ other ‘civilian casualties’ claimed by Hamas propaganda? Because there certainly haven’t been 10,000 fresh graves or burial services observed.

  168. OldOzzie Avatar

    Nov 17, 2023 1:11 PM

    Thanks Oz

    My kid is trying to get me some anti-virals as I’ve been flat on the back for two days and just now tested positive. Welcome to America, the land of the free.


    I would go with HCQ & Azithromycin ASAP

    Get Well Quickly & and enjoy your trip to America

  169. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Bruce of Newcastle
    Nov 17, 2023 11:08 AM

    On a related story about how humans behave ever so much better when they know they’re being watched

    A Trojan horse for totalitarianism (in additional to probably being true).

    You could also behave even more disgustingly than normal in hope the watchers are so disgusted they decide to stop watching. Look, it’s worth trying at least once!

    On the tragic loss to myself of checkout chicks… I MEAN tragic loss to society of supermarket sales supervision, the other unpleasant aspect which accompanied the installation of the self-serve consoles is the emergence of advertising on youtube for products you bought that day. The co-incidences are too strong to be random. It’s just creepy.
    The mechanism probably is the camera in the screen bezel which probably does facial recognition at point of sale while scanning for MAC addresses of nearby Bluetooth/WiFi enabled phones where Apple/Google/Choicepoint know the owner, so the person buying can be identified even if the financial transaction doesn’t divulge that ID.

  170. OldOzzie Avatar


    Optus’ planning failure will hang over Kelly Bayer Rosmarin

    CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin told a Senate inquiry that Optus never believed an outage of the scale it suffered was possible, raising questions about risk management.

    The Senate hearing into the Optus network outage on November 8 was a reminder of the oldest business lessons in the book: it’s not the mistake you make, but how you handle the clean-up.

    On Friday, Optus chief executive Kelly Bayer Rosmarin gave the clearest explanation we’ve heard so far about the cause of the outage: a sudden and unexpected shutdown of 90 routers across Optus’ mobile and data networks, which was triggered by upgrades to an international peer network operated by Optus’ parent company, Singapore Telecommunications.

    As Bayer Rosmarin repeatedly stressed, Optus builds in redundancies to quarantine such an outage to part or parts of the network, rather than the whole shebang.

    But these failed in a totally unexpected way, eventually forcing Optus to conduct what Bayer Rosmarin described as a “brute force resuscitation of the network”.

    There were, quite rightly, questions from the Senate committee about the strength of the redundancies Optus thought it had in place.

    But there was an underlying acceptance that these things do happen, as unfortunate and unpalatable as they are. The committee’s main focus was on how Optus responded to the outage.

    It was Labor Senator Karen Grogan who asked the killer question of the day: Had Optus ever planned and prepared for a mass network outage like the one that occurred?

    Well, no.

    While Optus has recently run scenario planning on an outage that could take out a single state – its recent tests included the loss of Western Australia and South Australia – nothing like the total shutdown we saw last week had been war-gamed.

    “We didn’t have a plan in place for that specific scale of outage. We have high levels of redundancy, and it’s not something we expect to happen,” Optus’ managing director of networks, Lambo Kanagaratnam, said. “For us to lose 90 routers in one outage is not something we contemplate.”

    The gap in planning showed clearly on November 8. As Bayer Rosmarin ran through the timeline of the morning in detail, the biggest lesson she was willing to own up to was that not enough of its people had virtual E-SIMs that would have allowed them to switch to alternative networks faster, and so improve their communications.

    “You had insurance for yourselves, but your customers didn’t. Do you think that’s a problem?” asked Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young, the committee chairman.

    Bayer Rosmarin defended her decision not to personally appear in the media, or send out a spokesman to do the same, saying she “prioritised the team’s actual crisis response”.

    The Optus media team, she said, decided it could essentially rely on the media to keep customers updated. She even went so far as to thank the fourth estate for its hard work on the morning of the outage.

    “It’s actually unusual for a CEO to appear at all during an outage because the public would expect that my focus is on working with the teams to resolve the issue,” Bayer Rosmarin insisted.

    But Hansen-Young, Grogan and Liberal Senator Hollie Hughes pressed Bayer Rosmarin on that decision, with Hughes asking why it was left to Communications Minister Michelle Rowland to go on radio to reassure the nation that Optus was working on things.

    Bayer Rosmarin insisted the company’s communications response was effective. “Our teams did the best they could with the channels that were available to them. It is frustrating when you have an outage of that magnitude and you’re unable to provide clarity. So, I fully appreciate how frustrating it was for all our customers.”

    Hughes was having none of it. “Isn’t that the problem? You provide a service to over 10 million people, and not just individuals, government agencies, emergency services, businesses, and all they got for hours was a couple of lines that said, ‘sorry, our services are out, we’re working on it’. You’ve got to understand, surely, that that just is not good enough.”

    Hanson-Young also asked about the apparently contradictory statements between Optus and SingTel over who was responsible for the outage. Bayer Rosmarin said SingTel had approved Optus’ original statement, and the follow-up statement from SingTel was merely a clarification.

    “They needed to clarify a statement that they’d already signed off on?” Hansen-Young said. “For a communications company, the communications are pretty lousy. Both at the time of the crisis, and in the aftermath.”

    Both Bayer Rosmarin and Kanagaratnam insisted that after a week of forensic investigations and detailed discussions with its technology partners, Optus has put in protections to ensure the outage previously thought impossible would not reoccur.

    But the Optus boss had to be pressed by both Hanson-Young and Grogan into finally – finally – conceding that not putting a public face to the company’s initial statements on the outage was “less than ideal”.

    “I think that’s a great suggestion, and we will, of course, take that on board,” Bayer Rosmarin said.

    Grogan then went to the heart of the question facing Optus: following an outage that the telco never believed possible, and a response that has been so heavily criticised, are the telco’s risk management processes sufficiently robust?

    Bayer Rosmarin insisted they are, arguing that Optus has been so scarred by the “very real lived experience as a company” of last year’s cyberattack.

    “We as a company completely understand the implications that come from one of those risks eventuating, and we’ve put in the hard work to recover from that once before. So, there is nobody in the company who would have wanted something like this to happen again. Not just because we have risk management processes and strategies to go through, but because we have a lived experience of it as well.”

    But herein lies the problem for Bayer Rosmarin and indeed the broader Optus management team.

    Bayer Rosmarin performed pretty well in front of an intense session where her interrogators often seemed keen to spark a clash that looks good on the nightly news, even sharing a joke when she needed to check something on her phone.

    The speed with which she’s been dragged before parliament raises a fascinating question: should we now expect the boss of every utility company to face this sort of questioning in the future, or is Optus a special case?

    Nonetheless, the question of whether Optus learnt enough lessons from that hack remains.

    If the cyberattack was so scarring – and it clearly was – why didn’t Optus at least do scenario planning on the sort of large-scale network failure that occurred? Why wasn’t something as simple and obvious as the critical incident team having E-SIMs taken care of? Why wasn’t the media communications plan as fine-tuned as a Ferrari?

    Why wasn’t the lived experience that Bayer Rosmarin referred to more evident?

    Nationals Senator Ross Cadell, who showed deep technical knowledge in his interrogating, finished the day with the question that will hang over Bayer Rosmarin.

    “Given you didn’t know the weakness in the network, given you haven’t responded to the customers well, given you haven’t reflected your staff’s attitude, isn’t it a time for new leadership at Optus?”

    Bayer Rosmarin, who earlier told the committee she hadn’t read The Australian Financial Review report suggesting she is considering her position as CEO, danced delicately around that one, too.

    “Well, thank you, Senator, I will take that on board.”

  171. Kneel Avatar

    “Re Candace Owen’s- there’s nothing wrong with strong opinions, as long as they are weakly held. Refusing to hear anything different and digging in to ensure you are right is a red flag of ignorance.”

    Both Ben Shapiro and Candice Owens work at The Daily Wire. They had a stoush over this – well, Ben had only recently returned from Israel, where he has family, and Candice is entitled to her opinions, popular or not. Neither has demanded the other leave or be sacked, censored etc (although Ben suggested Candice resign).

    Shows what a truly unbiased media organisation SHOULD be like – two people with strong and opposing opinions both allowed speak as they see fit. Thank you The Daily Wire for having this robust discussion – I only wish we had more prepared to do it.

    If you actually listen to what Candice said, she is hardly excusing what Hamas did, she is questioning what Israel has done in response. And whether people in foreign lands (eg, the USA) should help any particular side, or stay out of it (not an uncommon view in the US that they should stay out of such feuds).

    Not saying she is right – in fact I think she’s wrong and Ben is more likely right. The point is it’s a contentious issue and we should be not just allowed, but encouraged, to discuss it and not have one side (either one) brutally suppressed and/or seen as “verboten”. The more views the better – we might find a solution that doesn’t involve death for all members of one of the “factions”. We certainly won’t find that “golden solution” without discussing the situation and hearing both sides.

    I don’t see much hope there, but we have to try. And we have to let people like Candice (and Ben) speak, even where we vehemently disagree with them – “He who makes non-violent revolution impossible makes violent revolution inevitable”.

  172. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer


    Nov 17, 2023 11:38 AM

    No mercy. How it’s going to be until the next election

    It was Labor’s nightmare and Dutton’s fantasy to be once again fighting on immigration issues.

    The point is, this was all of Luigi’s making. He knew this was coming and completely misjudged it. He thought it would simultaneously placate the noisy activists on the left and give him an opportunity to wash his hands of any adverse blow-back by diverting blame to the High Court.
    He was also trying to wedge Dutton, painting him as heartless, aided by a few puff pieces in the friendly media profiling a quietly spoken goat-herder/poet deffo, possibly with chocolate-drop eyes.
    But I think the child rapey thing was a bridge too far, even for the Age or the Gruaniard.
    This fighting Torries thing.
    It’s not all it’s cracked up to be.

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He was taking the piss, in line with the rest of the conversation.

    Being misinterpreted in your intention. A blog peril if you are a bit tongue-in-cheek or inclined to mention perky tits. 🙂

  174. Dot Avatar

    The mechanism probably is the camera in the screen bezel which probably does facial recognition at point of sale while scanning for MAC addresses of nearby Bluetooth/WiFi enabled phones where Apple/Google/Choicepoint know the owner, so the person buying can be identified even if the financial transaction doesn’t divulge that ID.

    As if that doesn’t happen, plus phone pay/Apple Pay etc/any RFID …PINGS off credit cards, plus nearby/contemporaneous cash withdrawals (plus ATM surveillance) backed up to serial nos.

    Then there’s the piggybacking off local wifi and BT.

    Doncha’ love the internet of things (IOT)!?

  175. OldOzzie Avatar

    Dutton pushes for more laws to re-detain those released by High Court ruling

    Opposition Leader Peter Dutton is pushing Labor to re-detain a cohort of non-citizens who cannot be deported, as immigration lawyers representing the newly released group of 84 claim new laws passed on Thursday to curtail the group may be unconstitutional.

    After the High Court last week ruled against the indefinite detention of foreigners unable to be deported, ministers claimed for days they needed to see the court’s reasons before introducing new legislation. But on Thursday, the government rushed through laws to impose curfews and electronic monitoring devices on the released detainees.

    Labor’s proposed laws were strengthened even further when the government caved into demands by Dutton to impose stricter conditions on the group.

    Despite the court’s decision, Dutton argued the government could create further laws to put the group – a portion of whom committed serious crimes including murder and sexual offences – back into detention.

    “If I was writing the government’s policy, these people would be back in detention because we’re talking about some pretty serious criminals, and the first and foremost thought here is for the victims,” Dutton said on Nine’s Today program.

    “We had one hour to draft these amendments and there would have been a lot more that we would have done, but time was not on our side yesterday, but we ended up getting some changes and I hope that that gives us a chance of making the community a little bit safer.”

    Opposition immigration spokesman Dan Tehan, speaking on ABC TV, said the opposition believed it was possible to use preventive detention legislation to re-detain the group.

    “You can set up a new regime and that’s what the government should have been looking at since June, when it became clear there was a possibility that the High Court would rule the way that it did,” he said.

  176. OldOzzie Avatar

    America’s right has ripped off Bluey as it takes on Disney’s dominance

    The first thing that strikes you, as you begin to scroll through the content on the new US kids television streaming platform Bentkey, is the familiarity of its colours and tones.

    A mix of bright blues, greens and reds. The indestructible smiles of TV hosts with alliterative names like Mabel Maclay. Things that look like Muppets, but aren’t. A show that seems like Bluey, but isn’t.

    The last of those – Chip Chilla, a reasonable enough simulacrum of the Australian-made Disney hit Bluey in both animation style and colour palette to warrant the ridicule it has attracted – has dominated media conversations since the platform launched last month.

    That it walks and talks like a cheap knock-off of a modern Australian classic goes without saying.

    But Chip Chilla is the tip of a streaming iceberg that draws in Disney’s culture war with America’s conservative right, America’s emerging trend towards both homeschooling and school library policing and the belief – mistaken or not – that television schedules are the new battleground for the political hearts and minds of our young.

    “They’re trying to copy Bluey, and they’re trying to copy Disney and I find it laughable,” says Australian culture commentator and television historian Andrew Mercado. “What’s particularly making me laugh is that, first of all, I had to look up what a chinchilla was and I discovered it’s a rodent that is skinned for fur. That’s the best cute little animal they could come up with?”

    They, in this case, is Daily Wire, the American conservative media organisation notable for The Ben Shapiro Show, a podcast hosted by Ben Shapiro, and Candace, a political talk show, hosted by Candace Owens.

    The company has for several years dabbled in television content, such as Terror on the Prairie, a western film starring Gina Carano.

    Much of that content has been politically framed, even if its politics are not declared outright.

    The Carano-led western largely came about because she was sidelined by Disney after making transphobic remarks, so the creative decision-making behind the project was, arguably, as much about Daily Wire’s dislike of Disney, as anything else.

  177. OldOzzie Avatar

    ‘Spermageddon’: Behind the headlines of the great Western fertility furore

    A scientific study suggesting human sperm counts are plummeting across the Western world has generated global headlines and much hand-wringing.

    But fear not: male fertility is not over yet.

  178. thefrollickingmole Avatar

    Old and busted: Lawyers sleeping for 2 years while the entire country was locked down and subjected to unscientific bastardry

    New and hot: Lawyers constitutioning for UNC’s and crims
    as immigration lawyers representing the newly released group of 84 claim new laws passed on Thursday to curtail the group may be unconstitutional.

  179. Buccaneer Avatar

    SHY didn’t have access to past episodes of Sea Patrol during the Optus outage, oh the humanity..

  180. OldOzzie Avatar

    ‘Certain malice’: Finland to shut border crossings, as Russia sends migrants toward EU nation

    Helsinki: Finland will close four crossing points on its long border with Russia to stop the flow of Middle Eastern and African migrants that it accuses Moscow of ushering to the border in recent months, the government said on Thursday.

    Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo and Interior Minister Mari Rantanen said the southeastern crossing points — Imatra, Niirala, Nuijamaa and Vaalimaa — will be closed at midnight Friday on the Finland-Russia land border that serves as the European Union’s external frontier.

    He referred to dozens of migrants, mostly from the Middle East and Africa, who have arrived in the Nordic nation over recent days without proper documentation and have sought asylum after allegedly being helped by Russian authorities to travel to the heavily controlled border zone.

    This represents a major change, since Finnish and Russian border authorities cooperated for decades in stopping people without the necessary visas or passports before they could attempt to enter either country. (I wonder Why That Could be?)

    Finnish authorities said this week that Russia has in recent months started allowing undocumented travellers to access the border zone and enter crossing stations where they can request asylum in Finland.

    The Finnish Border Guard says migrants have in the past days arrived mainly from Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Turkey and Somalia, and nearly all have arrived at the border zone on bicycles that Finnish and Russian media reports say were provided and sold to them.

    Most of them used Russia only as a transit country to enter Finland and the EU, officials said.

  181. alwaysright Avatar

    perky tits.

    And then there is the acute angina, or that’s what I think she said (hearing is not so good).

  182. Alamak! Avatar

    No, most of the jobs that are WFH are knowledge jobs.

    And AI is built now to handle that kind of work a.k.a. knowledge management by mid-level midwits.

    Examples include generating reports, re-typing data, preparing charts, checking stats, updating excel sheets, enhancing web sites, responding to customer queries …

    Its all there to be handled by AI with some small (offshore?) human guidance.

    Creative stuff is already being impacted by AI, with reductions in volume of design work and lower rates as simple stuff gets done in-house.

  183. OldOzzie Avatar

    Labor PM Albosleezy – It’s just your Australian Taxpayer Money for me to give away & Look Good

    Where did all the money go? Tens of millions for PNG refugees disappear in months

    The Home Affairs Department paid $80 million to Papua New Guinea’s government to look after the refugees left there when Australia’s offshore processing regime ended, but less than two years later that money has been spent.

    Seven service providers to about 60 former Manus Island detainees are now threatening to stop looking after the men entirely, including the Pacific International Hospital, which provides mental and physical health services.

  184. OldOzzie Avatar

    Ten things we’ll never understand about France

    – The lack of fashion
    – Dog poo
    – All those bare breasts
    – French rudeness
    – Inconvenient shop hours
    – Cheek kissing
    – Cafe etiquette
    – The quality of croissants
    – Over-praised wine
    – Dinner courses

  185. OldOzzie Avatar

    Should I buy a 2023 Nissan Patrol or a Toyota LandCruiser?

    Nissan versus Toyota, an age-old 4×4 battle that never gets old. Which big, seven-seat off-road wagon is the best choice in 2023? We hit the road, and head off-road, to find out.

    When the current-generation Nissan Patrol first came out back in 2010, I was one of the first to decry Nissan’s move away from diesel power in its flagship off-roader.

    And from that point of view, the Toyota LandCruiser has had clear and present domination over the Nissan Patrol – in terms of sales figures at least – for many years. Not since the coil-sprung GQ and GU Patrol has Nissan been able to compete with Toyota from a market share point of view.

    The ZD30 ‘grenade’ might not have been much to write home about in terms of reliability and torque, but torquey diesel engines and big lumbering four-wheel-drive wagons have been joined at the hip for decades at this point. And having only a petrol engine (regardless of being a wonderful V8) seemed to miss the mark in Australia.

    These days, you can see that times have changed. Or at least, they are in the process of changing. The V8-powered Patrol has found favour recently with improved sales figures, but the Toyota LandCruiser has remained as popular as ever.

    Which is the best choice? Aside from powertrains, there are a lot of differences between these two big rigs. Suspension, interior, technology, price and age are different, but there are similarities as well: size, specifications, seating, and presence.

  186. OldOzzie Avatar

    Israel signals operations in southern Gaza after hospital raid – FT

    Israeli military says it has found the body of a hostage taken by Hamas close to the al-Shifa medical facility

    Israel is planning military operations in southern Gaza and has asked residents of some neighbourhoods to evacuate their homes, according to leaflets dropped into the city of Khan Younis that signalled a potential widening of the Israeli invasion.

    The warning came as the Israeli military announced on Thursday that it had discovered the body of a hostage in Gaza City during a second day of operations around al-Shifa hospital, the largest healthcare facility in the coastal enclave.

    Daniel Hagari, Israel Defense Forces spokesperson, said the body of Yehudit Weiss, a 65-year-old Israeli abducted from a kibbutz during the Hamas attacks of October 7, was found in a house in the vicinity of the hospital.

    During its search of the hospital, the IDF said it had found an “underground tunnel shaft” as well as Hamas weapons. The claims could not be independently verified.

    Israel has mainly focused military operations in northern Gaza during its war against Hamas, the Palestinian military group that launched a deadly attack on the Jewish state on October 7.

    The IDF did not respond to questions about the thousands of leaflets that were dropped, telling residents of four specific neighbourhoods of Khan Younis to leave their houses immediately.

    “For your safety you have to evacuate your places of residence and head to the known shelters,” said a copy of the leaflet posted on social media. “Whoever is present near terrorists or their installations will be exposing their life to danger.”

    The neighbourhoods mentioned are in eastern Khan Younis, south of an evacuation line imposed by Israel, and were home to at least 100,000 residents before the war.

    Those numbers have swollen as many Gazans fled south to escape the fighting in the north.

    Israel now believes that several Hamas leaders have moved south, with
    some in Khan Younis, the largest city in southern Gaza, according to
    several western officials.

    Some of Israel’s allies have asked it to be cautious in its operations in the south, where nearly 1mn Palestinians have fled after being assured that it would be safer than the north, said one western official.

    “Now first of all, we are seeing strikes in the south,” they
    added. “And second?.?.?.?operations in Khan Younis can be incredibly
    difficult [and] destructive.”

    The western official said the scale and intensity of Israel’s growing ground invasion of Gaza has caused concerns, despite consistent support for the country’s right to defend itself. “I don’t think anybody meant that this requires ground operations of such a scope,” they added.

    However, US President Joe Biden signalled on Wednesday that the US had not given Israel a timeframe to conclude its campaign against Hamas, despite mounting domestic and international pressure to do so.

    Biden said Israel’s war against the Palestinian militant group would end “when Hamas no longer maintains the capacity to murder, abuse and just do horrific things” to Israel.

    Hours after the Israeli military raided al-Shifa hospital on Wednesday, the UN Security Council passed a resolution calling for urgent and extended humanitarian pauses in the conflict “for a sufficient number of days” to allow aid to enter the besieged enclave.

    The US, UK and Russia abstained on the resolution after Moscow tried to change the language to a ceasefire.

    Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vehemently opposed proposals for a pause in fighting.

    Gilad Erdan, Israel’s envoy to the UN, said on social media that the Security Council resolution was “disconnected from reality and is meaningless”. “Israel will continue to act until Hamas is destroyed and the hostages are returned.”

    Israel declared war against Hamas after the group launched its surprise attack from Gaza on October 7 that killed 1,200 people, according to Israeli officials.

    More than 200 people were taken hostage by Hamas, said the officials, and Israel has vowed to oust the militant group from Gaza.

    Israel’s assault on Gaza has killed more than 11,000 people, according to Palestinian officials, and hospitals have gradually ceased operating as Israeli forces have advanced deeper into the enclave and restricted shipments of fuel, water and food.

    Israel’s military entered al-Shifa hospital in what it called a “targeted” operation to find Hamas weapons and infrastructure.

    The raid was continuing on Thursday, according to two Palestinians, who said Israeli forces were still surrounding the hospital and preventing people from leaving.

    Doctors and patients sheltered on higher floors while soldiers inspected a magnetic resonance imaging department, detained several Palestinians and took others away for further questioning, some with visible bruises and wounds, said people at the hospital.

    The IDF said on Thursday it had found military equipment including rocket-propelled grenades at the site of al-Shifa.

    In a video released by the IDF, the army displayed roughly a dozen AK-47 rifles, a handful of grenades and radios, and a laptop displaying a picture of a hostage as evidence of the hospital being a command and control headquarters of Hamas.

    Israel contends that the hospital sits on top of an underground tunnel network housing Hamas command centres. Hamas has denied the claims, describing them as an Israeli excuse to take over the hospital.

    “One thing has been established?.?.?.?Hamas does have headquarters, weapons, material below this hospital and I suspect others,” Biden said, referring to al-Shifa.

    He drew a distinction between Hamas, which he said had vowed to attack Israel “again and again”, and the IDF, which he said was acting with deliberation.

    “The IDF?.?.?.?acknowledges they have an obligation to use as much caution as they can in going after their targets,” Biden said.

    He also indicated there was progress in talks among Qatar, Hamas, Israel and others to release some of the hostages held by the militant group.

  187. GreyRanga Avatar

    Thancho the problen for Luigi is first finding your Tory. Since he can’t find one, a bit like ASIO trying to find all those right wing activists, you know the ones who are the biggest threat to Australia and Grampian nasties, he’s got nothing left. All pastry and no filling.

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