Open Thread – Weekend 25 Nov 2023


On the Bank of the Seine, Bennecourt, Claude Monet, 1868

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 6:19 pm

BTW, the ship commandeered is the Zim Luanda.

I see one tangential mention from the Houthis and nothing else. So far they have taken that one ship a week ago and they or the Iranians hit another with a Shaheed drone last night. Nothing else is on the news feeds that I can see.

They had a go at a USS destroyer a few days ago with drones and it was embarrassing. I think the Iranians are acting like they are because they are exquisitely aware that the US has three full carrier groups in easy range. So they’re doing plausible deniability stuff using proxies, but nothing else. Even Biden’s bunch have limits with what they can ignore.

miltonf
miltonf
November 26, 2023 6:23 pm

USA, Canada, Germany, Ireland, Yookay, Australia- are there any western countries where the government is not at war with their own people? Democracy- what a joke.

Robert Sewell
November 26, 2023 6:24 pm

Colonel Crispin Berka
Nov 26, 2023 10:58 AM

The bunker may survive this if it is deep enough, but you’ll have to ask the geotechnical guys how deep that would have to be, rock and soil dependent of course. Until teleportation is invented every bunker has to have an entrance. Easier to cave-in the entrances than actually hit the bunker itself.

Doesn’t seem like much yield at the point of impact, but I’d be thinking of the heat pulse doing more damage than just 110 tons of TNT. I’d imagine the area around the strike being melted into a plug that would have to be dug around if it didn’t melt the target.

miltonf
miltonf
November 26, 2023 6:24 pm

‘you can vote for whoever you like as long as he/she is an approved candidate’- just like China and the USSR.

Johnny Rotten
November 26, 2023 6:27 pm

Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.

– Plato

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 6:28 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuGj5nfIhk

Sky news on the subject of certain Greens Senators.

miltonf
miltonf
November 26, 2023 6:28 pm

and we know what happens in unapproved candidates who may decide to run for office.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
November 26, 2023 6:30 pm

Well just when I was starting to hope the Liberals had learnt some lessons and might have a chance in the next federal election they blow it.
Dave Sharma to replace outgoing senator. Bed wetter, turdbull supporter and worst of all cloumet choinge believer.

FMD another term for Elbo who has done all he can to lose the next election but the libs don’t want it.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 26, 2023 6:30 pm

‘I’ll fight for you’: Lidia Thorpe blames ‘colonial system’ for ‘genocide’ in Gaza

It seems like only yesterday Dubya was declaring “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists.” I can report this ultimatum is much easier to decide today than it was 22 years ago. Senator Thorpe has flunked.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Robert Sewell
Nov 26, 2023 6:24 PM
Colonel Crispin Berka
Nov 26, 2023 10:58 AM

The bunker may survive this if it is deep enough, but you’ll have to ask the geotechnical guys how deep that would have to be, rock and soil dependent of course. Until teleportation is invented every bunker has to have an entrance. Easier to cave-in the entrances than actually hit the bunker itself.

Doesn’t seem like much yield at the point of impact, but I’d be thinking of the heat pulse doing more damage than just 110 tons of TNT. I’d imagine the area around the strike being melted into a plug that would have to be dug around if it didn’t melt the target.

A Grand Slam, ten tons including a heavy casing, could produce a quite large subterranean cavern, which usually collapsed in on itself.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 6:35 pm

Dave Sharma to replace outgoing senator. Bed wetter, turdbull supporter and worst of all cloumet choinge believer.

And, most recently, an advocate for allowing Palestinian refugees into Australia.

Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 6:36 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 6:36 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 6:40 pm

Take a look at that face. Looks like an escapee from the loony bin.

Legal Expert Issues Major Warning To Judge Engoron

Johnny Rotten
November 26, 2023 6:41 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 26, 2023 6:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuGj5nfIhk

Sky news on the subject of certain Greens Senators.

These morons should study Modern History. It was the UN that approved the commencement of the State of Israel and the borders. The Arabs have then started all the wars ever since.

So, you stupid Greens. Go talk to your ‘friends’ at the UN. No good protesting here as we don’t give a rat’s arse. Posers.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 6:43 pm

‘I’ll fight for you’: Lidia Thorpe blames ‘colonial system’ for ‘genocide’ in Gaza

How dare Faruqi steal her thunder!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 6:45 pm

Hamas and its supporters around the world are worse than Nazis

The essay by Andrew Roberts should be required reading for Greens Senators….

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 6:47 pm

And, most recently, an advocate for allowing Palestinian refugees into Australia.

Turkey…meet Christmas.

Oh, that’s right. You won’t pay. It will be the innocent.

Cassie, if you meet this bugger on the footpath, give him a good shove*.

* NADT

Bespoke
Bespoke
November 26, 2023 6:47 pm
Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 6:48 pm

These morons should study Modern History.

Along with the history of Muslim conquest and the subsequent Arabization of indigenous populations across MENA.

Johnny Rotten
November 26, 2023 6:50 pm

Indolent
Nov 26, 2023 6:40 PM
Take a look at that face. Looks like an escapee from the loony bin.

Legal Expert Issues Major Warning To Judge Engoron

He looks like a dead ringer of that Dr. Fauci plonker. FMD.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 26, 2023 6:51 pm

Sharma wins Liberal senate preselection

Thus continuing its reputation as a dumping ground. The Lieborals KK.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 26, 2023 6:52 pm

These morons should study Modern History.
Uh hu, Professor Rotten.
It was the UN that approved the commencement of the State of Israel and the borders.
Correctimundo. And that’s as far as it went.
Israel took the U.N. Borders to be a starting point for expansion, not a fait accompli.
The Arabs have then started all the wars ever since.
Apart from the 1956 Suez Invasion, starring France, Great Britain & Israel, the 1967
6 Day War, where Israel Annexed Gaza, part of Egypt, which had never even been part of Historical Israel going back 3,300 years, and the West Bank and East Jerusalem, part of Jordan.
Then there was the 1973 Yom Kippur War, which didn’t go so well for them, the 2006 Invasion of Lebanon …

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 6:52 pm

Nice, bespoke. Did I ever tell you I was allergic to cats?

Small “c”. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 6:54 pm

‘I’ll fight for you’: Lidia Thorpe blames ‘colonial system’ for ‘genocide’ in Gaza

Lidia Thorpe blames the colonial system when her hemorrhoids give trouble.

Robert Sewell
November 26, 2023 6:57 pm

Salvatore:
Dunlop, I think it was told his CO that he was confident his men would follow him anywhere, but he wasn’t sure if it was just curiosity than anything else.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:06 pm

Aaaarrrggghhh! Typos begone, you satanic encumbrances, I tells ya! 🙁

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 26, 2023 7:08 pm

She scared the tripe out of me, and I was innocent!

Same for our tourist guide who took us to Masada. She was in the reserves, having done her regular training. You wouldn’t want to cross her.

Women aren’t men and can’t do the full physical stuff men do, especially in combat, and men in combat don’t need to have to worry and get protective about weaker women in the team; ‘Band of Brothers’ as a demo of combat is enough to tell me that. But women can be fighters in other ways, as all serious wars show, as would happen for my two beautiful granddaughters here too if things went belly up, for every fighter counts when it’s serious. Israel seems to have got the right mix of opportunity but not foolishness when it comes to females in the army.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 26, 2023 7:08 pm

Unbelievable.

Just sold a TV without a remote, and without a manual start button for $150. It was all explained in the ad, but someone bought it anyway.

I should feel bad but I don’t.

Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 7:09 pm

Urgent Call to Action: Block the Pandemic Treaty NOW

This isn’t about health; it’s about who holds the reins of power in times of crisis.

And you can bet you’re life they’ll put these powers to use crisis or no crisis. They’ll create one if necessary. After all, under this “treaty” it’s whatever they say it is. Dictatorship is what I say it is.

Bluey
Bluey
November 26, 2023 7:10 pm

miltonf
Nov 26, 2023 6:23 PM
USA, Canada, Germany, Ireland, Yookay, Australia- are there any western countries where the government is not at war with their own people? Democracy- what a joke.

There was a forum I read where a bloke mounted the argument that the best form of government was a benevolent dictatorship. As time goes on, I find it increasingly difficult to argue he was wrong.
Recently I encountered an argument referencing a book byPeter Turchin

The political scientist Martin Gilens, aided by a small army of research assistants, gathered a large data set—nearly two thousand policy issues between 1981 and 2002. Each case matched a proposed policy change to a national opinion survey asking a favor/oppose question about the initiative. The raw survey data provided information that enabled Gilens to separate the preferences of the poor (in the lowest decile of the income distribution) and the typical (the median of the distribution) from the affluent (the top 10 percent).

Statistical analysis of this remarkable data set showed that the preferences of the poor had no effect on policy changes. This is not entirely unexpected. What is surprising is that there was no—zilch, nada—effect of the average voter. The main effect on the direction of change was due to the policy preferences of the affluent. There was also an additional effect of interest groups, the most influential ones being business-oriented lobbies. Once you include in the statistical model the preferences of the top 10 percent and the interest groups, the effect of the commoners is statistically indistinguishable from zero.

Peter Turchin, END TIMES: Elites, Counterelites, and the Path of Political Disintegration, 2023

In other words, the top 10% set the policy of a country. If that is replacing the native peoples with others, that’s what happens, no matter if that sets up the conditions for civil war.
Does that sound familiar?

Robert Sewell
November 26, 2023 7:10 pm

Zatara:

Which should make one ask: “who invited her to speak and why?”

She would have invited herself if no one else had thought of it. Because what she “has to say is so impawtant,” that’s why.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 26, 2023 7:10 pm

Much Iran bunker-buster spitballing.

For comparison, at the other end of the scale, the Sedan crater was 98m deep and was produced from a nuclear bomb with a explosive energy yield about 1000x greater than what I calculated from Robert’s description (104kt vs 110t TNT) and which had to be buried 194m deep to begin with.

So a bunker 100m deep in the same soil would have survived the described Thor surface impactor. Whether anything squishy inside would survive a pressure wave like that is another story, but with springs and rubber padding (like Cheyenne mountain) it is possible.

Robert Sewell
November 26, 2023 7:15 pm

Rosie:
rosie
Nov 26, 2023 1:49 PM

I don’t know Robert, whats your point?
In the background yet more boys too young to shave happily joining in rape, looting, massacre and kidnapping.
With adults who are more than happy to let the kids join in.
But that’s okay.
Islam puts all this in the non sin column, as long as the victims are in the kafir/infidels.

FFS rosie, I couldn’t see what you were getting at, so I bloody well asked. Stop being so confrontational. You get like a frightened mutt some days attacking the first thing that takes your attention.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 7:16 pm

There was a forum I read where a bloke mounted the argument that the best form of government was a benevolent dictatorship. As time goes on, I find it increasingly difficult to argue he was wrong.

But that’s precisely what the elites guided by their experts believe they are doing, instituting a benevolent dictatorship – for our own good.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 7:22 pm

Cats, if the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today, he’d be gunned down cold by the CIA

He built my hot rod Rabz.

The story is fun. 😀

(I found out last night and today that Cats do not like hard rock let alone thrash. Sigh.)

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:26 pm

In the very obvious absence of any greater celestial beings, Cats, here’s Miss Ellie and her magnifique bottomage! 🙂

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:28 pm

Frank the Barber, Cats.

When you don’t need any heroes.

Bespoke
Bespoke
November 26, 2023 7:30 pm

Disturbing how easly people give up democracy when things look tuff. Get a grip.

Or retire to tiktok.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 26, 2023 7:32 pm

Cheyanne Mountain is a block of granite. These are not uncommon geological formations. Quick search of the Geology of Iran reveals the central mountainous region has a bit of Jurassic intrusive activity. If you were going to build bunkers that would be the place but drilling and blasting granite is a thankless slow tedious task.

Rest of Iran seems to be sedimentary with some metamorphic and volcanism. Though if deep enough even getting to those would be a stretch.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:33 pm

Don’t go telling all your li’l girlfriends, OK …

Robert Sewell
November 26, 2023 7:34 pm

shatterzzz

Nov 26, 2023 3:55 PM
It was declared a war crime after the war, however a strict reading of the events -at least to me – puts it in the ‘military necessity’ category.

The German unit involved was, in the main, new recruits fresh from training and led by veteran Eastern Front NCOS & officers .. they followed orders learnt from past experience in Russia ……. definitely a “war crime” in the European theatre but accepted practise in the East ……….

I’ll wait until Top Ender comes back from OS and bring the point up – I’ve thought from when I was in the army that the whole thing whilst certainly on the face of it a war crime, the conversation we had here about the Geneva convention and accepting surrender of enemy troops put a different perspective on it – especially the timeline and actions of the troops on both sides.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 7:37 pm

Or retire to tiktok.

One of Australia’s “leading medical bloggers” is reportedly on Tik Tok advising people not to take medical advice from those “who aren’t doctors”, i.e. have an MBBS.

Caveat emptor and all that, but post-covid just who trusts their GP without question?

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:37 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 7:38 pm

Miss Ellie and her magnifique bottomage!

🙂

Magnifique bottomage! (1992)

Rabz
November 26, 2023 7:40 pm

Ahhh, Katie – just the best … 🙂

rosie
rosie
November 26, 2023 7:41 pm

That’s right Robert, I’ve never been attacked for expressing a different opinion before.

Pogria
Pogria
November 26, 2023 7:44 pm

I see Dirty Sanchez has crawled out from under her crusty mirkin to grab back some of the limelight she believes is owed her. bleeeuuch.

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 7:44 pm

One of Australia’s “leading medical bloggers” is reportedly on Tik Tok

That’s your problem right there.

Nuffy.

Pogria
Pogria
November 26, 2023 7:45 pm

bespoke,
are you the bloke with the long lens I’ve seen at the far end of my paddock? This is an outrage!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 26, 2023 7:45 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Nov 26, 2023 7:08 PM

Unbelievable.

Just sold a TV without a remote, and without a manual start button for $150. It was all explained in the ad, but someone bought it anyway.

I should feel bad but I don’t.

He might know more about that model than you do.

I once advertised two not-working F&P Smartdrive washing machines on ebay. I asked the winning bidder what he’d do with them. He answered that the main drive motors make excellent electrical generators in mini hydro systems.

Bespoke
Bespoke
November 26, 2023 7:49 pm

No that’s Winston, Pogria.

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 7:49 pm

Nelson! You sold your washing machines to a drug lord. Shame.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 7:49 pm

That’s your problem right there.

Nuffy.

A nuffy with a medical degree and an actual practice.

Even more of a problem.

He was pontificating on cooking oils, fwiw.

A GP who feels himself entitled to scrutinise your pantry.

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 7:51 pm

I’ve never been attacked for expressing a different opinion

Thou shalt not commit logical fallacy

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 7:51 pm

Money laundering. 😀

Did you know that the heaters for dead water beds are great and sought after for propagation mats?

Alvin Purple nothwithstanding.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 26, 2023 7:53 pm

Is that what happened to them?

All I know is I was ahead over sending them for hard rubbish.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 26, 2023 7:53 pm

Nelson! You sold your washing machines to a drug lord. Shame.

Cash presumably.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 26, 2023 7:54 pm

I’ll defer to your expertise, Calli. 😀

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Nelson! You sold your washing machines to a drug lord.

That’s the good thing about Australian currency, you can wash it.

Money (1973)

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 26, 2023 6:45 PM
Hamas and its supporters around the world are worse than Nazis

The essay by Andrew Roberts should be required reading for Greens Senators….

Greens senators can read? Who knew?

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 7:57 pm

the main drive motors make excellent electrical generators in mini hydro systems

correct

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 26, 2023 7:58 pm

Roger
Nov 26, 2023 6:48 PM
These morons should study Modern History.

Along with the history of Muslim conquest and the subsequent Arabization of indigenous populations across MENA.

Should we use the phrase “settler colonies” to describe the spread of Islam and Arabs across North Africa and the Levant?

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:00 pm

It’s a Sunday evening, Cats – time for some good ol’ fashioned romance:

I met you at JC Penney

Your name tag, it said “Jenny”

Goil – you know I just wanna be down with you …

I’ll pick you up late at night after work …

I said laydee, step inside my Hyundai …

I’m gonna take you up to Glendale …

Gonna take you for a real good meal* … ”

*and then, all the silly comments about me wanting to get on down with slimbos will be no more, I tells ya … 🙂

rosie
rosie
November 26, 2023 8:01 pm

On the other hand it’s nice to get the predictable bites for just a little bit of burley.
even the Guardian went there.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 8:02 pm

Should we use the phrase “settler colonies” to describe the spread of Islam and Arabs across North Africa and the Levant?

Well, they were hardly mere peaceful settlers looking for new agricultural opportunities.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:05 pm

The Sound in 70 Cities

Moooooo …

Alamak!
November 26, 2023 8:06 pm

Should we use the phrase “settler colonies” to describe the spread of Islam and Arabs across North Africa and the Levant?

We are all ‘settlers’ depending on the timeframe and group selected. So it probably comes down to the improvements made and power taken by the ‘settlers’ in the timeframe in question. The winner takes it all …

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 8:09 pm

On the other hand it’s nice to get the predictable bites for just a little bit of burley

geez, you sure went from being victim to hunter really fast

yr a a bit of a bargain-bin in the market-place of ideas aren’t you rosie?

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
November 26, 2023 8:10 pm

Saw Napoleon.

Wolf’s review a good summary.

I think as others have said it is very difficult to tell Napoleon’s story in one movie. Not enough time. The relationship with Josephine was more than I would have liked. I would prefer more of the inter nation politics and campaigns and battles.

However Napoleon and Josephine is one of the famous pairings of history. I dont claim to know the details of their relationship but perhaps the producers were paying more attention to that story line to make it more of a love story to appeal to the female audience.

As with many historical movies there are a number of issues that can be cherry picked for accuracy. One is the first scene that depicts Napoleon being present when Marie Antoinette was guillotined. A historian says he was not there. Who cares ? The guillotine is the iconic image of the French Revolution. As I write there is a Daily Mail article about the ages of the actors in relation to Nap and Joe (in real life she was older than Nap but Pheonix is older than actress Kirby). This in my mind is petty nittpicking for the sake of it and for writing review articles.

The Austerlitz and Waterloo battles were well done but would have liked some more action in Egypt. As Wolf mentioned the natural light was an issue. It did not give us the opportunity to really enjoy the many great uniforms.

Whilst there were obviously some issues in relation to accuracy there was one that was glaring to me. That was having Napoleon leading cavalry charges at Borodino and Waterloo. Not needed. No problem with him in action as a Captain at Toulon but not during those major battles involving tens of thousands on both sides.

I was supposed to watch the movie with wife and son and his girlfriend today. However wife had to travel and was delayed for 2 weeks from today. They dont know I have had a sneak peak. So the question is do I say seen it and not recommended or remain quiet and watch it with them again. Overall I think they will enjoy it so I will keep quiet and watch it again.

I think the movie has to be looked at from the aspect of somebody with limited knowledge of Napoleon and that 20 years span. I would think the majority would not know much of the history and as a result might enjoy it more than those who know a bit more.

As with most historical / war movies I always want them to do well as this ensures more will be made.

I guess the critics will also have fun with a planned Netflix movie featuring Denzel Washington as Hannibal (the Carthaginian, not the cannibal).

Hopefully Christopher Nolan (Dunkirk and Oppenheimer) still has a few historical and war type movies in the future.

Just my thoughts.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:11 pm
bons
bons
November 26, 2023 8:12 pm

Within three months:

Milei will have been murdered.

Wilders will have been driven from parliament in an EU sponsored coup.

Orban will have been jailed.

Cassie of Sydney
November 26, 2023 8:13 pm

So, Dave Sharma is back in the senate. That means that there is now NO conservative in the NSW senate team. The late Jim Molan fought hard for his senate spot, yet his spot has now been handed to wets.

As for Sharma, oh well, nice guy but dripping wet. Quite frankly, if Dave Sharma is going to be in politics then the senate is the best place for him. It means the seat of Wentworth is now open. I spoke to a relative this morning after the rally, we were decrying Spender’s utterly appalling speech, and we were bemoaning the fact that she is our local MP. I said to her that I wondered who would run against the slag named Spender, and I wondered if Sharma would put his hand up again. She said that she hopes he doesn’t because Sharma, whilst a nice guy, is dripping wet, he’s not a politician, rather he is a diplomat. He’s not suited to the argy bargy of politics. She’s right. We need someone in Wentworth who will go in and punch hard. And that person is not Dave Sharma, and anyway, tonight I learn he’s going back to the senate.

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 8:14 pm

you sure went from being victim to hunter really fast

That’s my favourite bit. Back foot, front foot…advance!

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 8:15 pm

The winner takes it all …

The Israelis, who are indigenous to the region as much as, if not more than, the other claimants (with whom they share c. 70-80% of their DNA), don’t “want it all.”

They just want to enjoy what the UN gave them in peace.

It’s the Palestinians who want it all, as in ‘from the river to the sea.’

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 26, 2023 8:15 pm

“The people who are responsible for it are the most dishonest, the most ruthless, and the most anti-human group I’ve ever dealt with, and I spent 35 years living in Washington,” he stated. “I don’t even recognize these people. And what they’re doing—it’s so dark. They’re doing things that can’t even, on an academic level, conceivably help the United States or the population that lives here.”
Carlson at Conservative Brief

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 26, 2023 8:17 pm
Louis Litt
Louis Litt
November 26, 2023 8:18 pm

Rotten – 25/11 @ 8:49pm

Agenteeeeeena is up with, wth, wth – McArthur Park

https://youtu.be/9KR13_uz7UM?si=z89cmb5XwDqsmx_4

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 8:19 pm

good ol’ fashioned romance

Beck, of course. He’s good value.

No I didn’t have to look the lyrics up either… 😀

Debra (2001)

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 8:19 pm

Within three months:

progress ?

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 8:21 pm

Whilst there were obviously some issues in relation to accuracy there was one that was glaring to me. That was having Napoleon leading cavalry charges at Borodino and Waterloo.

For anyone even moderately familiar with the period & the history, that’s taking artistic license well beyond the point of the suspension of disbelief.

It seems this is history dumbed down for Millenials, much like Dunkirk (2017).

We should learn not to expect too much from contemporary film makers in any case.

Alamak!
November 26, 2023 8:25 pm

John Williams playing Albeniz in the Alcázar of Seville

It was originally early christian, then taken over and rebuilt by invading islamic folks and went back to catholic spanish royals after the invasion was repelled.

great music in an interesting location.

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 8:27 pm

Back foot, front foot…advance!

I especially love the rosie-oscillator

victim-perp-victim-perp

modern fishermen set their watches by it

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:30 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 8:33 pm

Hollyweird Boulevard, circa 1972 …

Well brought up young ladies – nicely reared.

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 8:33 pm

modern fishermen set their watches by it

Do they? Everyone here is predictable.

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 8:37 pm

Everyone here is predictable

I knew you’d say that

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 8:38 pm

One for me.

Chemical Heart (2002)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 8:38 pm

Judge allows adoption despite Aboriginal heritage discovery

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8:14PM November 26, 2023

The NSW Supreme Court has ruled that two siblings can be adopted by their long-term foster parents against the wishes of their Indigenous mother, who voiced concerns the family wouldn’t understand Aboriginal culture.

Judge James Stevenson said it was a grave step to over-ride the wishes of birth parents but he was satisfied it was in the children’s best interests to be adopted by the foster couple, known by the pseudonyms Julie and Matthew, who had raised them since they were ­babies.

The eldest sibling Mary*, 9, who was removed from her parents when she was 22 months old, told an independent assessor that she wanted to stay with the foster couple “as they keep us safe and feed us healthy food. They love us most in the whole world.”
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When asked if she had a message for the judge, she said: “Could you make sure he knows that we really want to be adopted, please.’’

Her brother Michael*, 7, was nine months old when he went into care with his sister in 2015. The children share a mother, Audrey*, but different fathers, and have a number of siblings.

The children’s Indigenous heritage was discovered in 2020 when a Department of Communities and Justice case worker found records revealing the whereabouts of Audrey’s mother, who confirmed she identified as an Aboriginal woman.|

The court heard a historian from the Crown Solicitor’s Office traced the children’s maternal heritage back to their great, great, great, great, great-grandmother, who was “an Aboriginal woman born around the 1850s who was probably living in [an identified area of NSW]”.

The departmental secretary said he then found himself in “the increasingly common and procedurally challenging position” of having become aware of the children’s Aboriginal heritage many years after they were placed with the foster couple, who are not ­Indigenous.

This meant Mary and Michael fell under the Aboriginal child placement principle, which requires they be adopted by a member of the Aboriginal community to which their birth parents belong or, if that is not practicable, be placed in another Aboriginal community. Placement with non-Aboriginal carers is the least preferred option.

Where a child has one Aboriginal and one non-Aboriginal parent, the law provides they can be placed with a person who will serve their best interests and if that person is non-Indigenous, the child must have the opportunity for contact with family, community and culture.

Aboriginal child protection experts say adoption should never be an option for Indigenous children, arguing it is not part of Aboriginal culture and because of the ongoing impact of previous policies that gave rise to the Stolen Generations.

The Australian has reported on other cases of Indigenous children fighting to live with or be adopted by white ­carers, leading to calls by Country Liberal senator Jacinta Nam­pijinpa Price for the laws hindering such arrangements to be changed.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:40 pm

Cats, Let’s Go! 🙂

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 8:40 pm

John Williams playing Albeniz in the Alcázar of Seville

there is only one john Williams

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 8:41 pm

I didn’t mean that in a bad way, either.

I’ll let you know when I’m surprised. Or blindsided, more likely.

Lee
Lee
November 26, 2023 8:43 pm

Should we use the phrase “settler colonies” to describe the spread of Islam and Arabs across North Africa and the Levant?

And Spain; though they were finally booted out of there in the 15th century.

BJ, if you believe the left, Muslims were never ever colonisers or slave-traders/users, but only victims of terrible Europeans and Jews.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:45 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 8:46 pm

John Williams playing Albeniz in the Alcázar of Seville

Rock guitarist John Williams.

Same guy. 😀

Seriously good stuff those guys did. Saw them at the Opera House once.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 8:51 pm

This meant Mary and Michael fell under the Aboriginal child placement principle, which requires they be adopted by a member of the Aboriginal community to which their birth parents belong or, if that is not practicable, be placed in another Aboriginal community. Placement with non-Aboriginal carers is the least preferred option.

Institutional racism.

Alamak!
November 26, 2023 8:57 pm

There is only one John Williams

John Williams – Spanish Guitar is some of his best. A perfect recipe for relaxation is to take your favourite bit of booze and lie down with no distractions apart from this album.

Cordoba is just an amazing piece of music

Our culture, at its best.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 8:58 pm

Paul Wallee and the Yams:

The bitterest pill … 😕

shatterzzz
November 26, 2023 9:02 pm

The court heard a historian from the Crown Solicitor’s Office traced the children’s maternal heritage back to their great, great, great, great, great-grandmother, who was “an Aboriginal woman born around the 1850s who was probably living in [an identified area of NSW]”.

What does that mean? .. one 251 5x grandma or at least one 251 in each subsequent generation? ..
Plus 5X is only back to 1850 .. wierd! .. my great grandad X4 fought at Waterloo 35 years earlier so this family must have extremely short life-spans …..
And if this comes down to only 1 great gran being of 251 heritage then “moi” being a full blood Geordie must be in the running for “true-blue’ recognition .. my great gran (mum’s side) was born in Golden Point, Victoria in 1859 …………

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:03 pm

Hey, Miss Personage!

No, I have not forgotten.

Getting yourself closer to the Lodge, millimetre by millimetre …

Via the Backdoor.

You li’l w*#@e … 😡

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:05 pm
Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 26, 2023 9:07 pm

Finally got round to looking at that David Starkey video. Thanks to whoever posted it first, saw distinct parallels with Australia. If only we had people of this intellect in the former colony we are arguing the same as we inherited a lot of the British system…

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Cats, all I ever wanted was to be buried deep in lerve

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 9:09 pm

Stallone Sting Snipes.

Demolition Man (1993)

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 26, 2023 9:13 pm
John Brumble
John Brumble
November 26, 2023 9:13 pm

$60 at Jaycar solves all the issues with your TV, KD.

And that’s the deluxe option.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:15 pm

No, it’s not her …

The rim of her mouth may be golden, it’s only an image of her

Just a trick of the light …

WolfmanOz
November 26, 2023 9:16 pm

Bourne1879
Nov 26, 2023 8:10 PM
Saw Napoleon.

Excellent summary Bourne1879.

I didn’t touch on the inaccuracies although they did annoy me a bit (I’m a bit of a history buff). As you sy Napoleon leading cavalry charges in the 2 battles was just absurd.

In regards to Marie Antoinette execution I wasn’t too concerned that they showed Napoleon was there (he wasn’t) but Marie had her hair cut (not long). A small inaccuracy in the scheme of things but it just grated with me.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 26, 2023 9:17 pm

another 13 Israelis and seven foreign national hostages tonight.
I wonder which kibbutz the next lot will come from.

My brother researched Holocaust train lists to Auschwitz at Yad Vashem, from villages on the border of Slovakia and Poland, and I wondered whether families and villiage neigbours were held together for a last possible comfort. The lists show they were, except there were none below age 12 or over 60 were somehow lost while being marched across snow covered mountans to the railhead at Trstena. My father’s mother would have been comforted, accompanied by her eldest daughter, and the knowledge her other children were safe in Palestine and Australia.
Did Hamas keep kibbutz and moshav members together? Did they mimic the record keeping of their fellow Nazis. There are associations in these news items that resound with that other period.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 9:17 pm

Cats, all I ever wanted was to be buried deep in lerve …

There’s a great song buried under all that ’80s over-production.

‘night.

Roger
Roger
November 26, 2023 9:19 pm

I thought you were intimating as much previously, Katz.

Appreciate your commentary.

calli
calli
November 26, 2023 9:21 pm

Don’t like my confidence in commenters here? Changes nothing, just gives me another insight into the quality of the lurkers.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:23 pm

Rog, you won’t see me down the disco, mamma, busy learning from the Frank … 🙂

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 26, 2023 9:23 pm

Cats, Let’s Go! ?

I like it Rabz!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 9:27 pm

Newspoll: Voters abandon Anthony Albanese as Labor’s fortunes nosedive

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Labor’s primary vote has tumbled to below its 2022 election result for the first time with both major parties now neck and neck on a two-party-preferred basis as cost-of-living pressures escalate and the Albanese government faces a mounting list of political and policy crises.

An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows Labor’s primary vote falling four points to 31 per cent in the past three weeks.

The government now heads into the final parliamentary sitting of the year with its primary support lower than its election result of 32.6 per cent. The Coalition’s primary vote has lifted a point to 38 per cent – its highest level of support since the election.
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In two-party-preferred terms, this puts Labor and the Coalition at 50-50 for the first time, on the back of a four-point turnaround since the last Newspoll on November 3.

Labor also lost votes to the left, with the Greens’ support rising a point to 13 per cent, and other minor parties including the teal ­independents lifting two points to 12 per cent. Pauline Hanson’s One Nation remained on 6 per cent.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 9:29 pm

Napoleon leading cavalry charges in the 2 battles was just absurd.

He was an artillery officer. He’d fall off his horse in a cavalry charge.

Jona Lewie – Stop The Cavalry (1980)

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 26, 2023 9:29 pm

As much as I don’t like Sharma (really NSW Libs, no rugged conservatives – really?), he is much better than the useless flog he defeated, Andrew Constance.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 26, 2023 9:32 pm

Lee
Nov 26, 2023 8:43 PM
Should we use the phrase “settler colonies” to describe the spread of Islam and Arabs across North Africa and the Levant?

And Spain; though they were finally booted out of there in the 15th century.

BJ, if you believe the left, Muslims were never ever colonisers or slave-traders/users, but only victims of terrible Europeans and Jews.

But we all know that the leftards only use language as a weapon, time for us to do the same. By the standards that leftards apply to Australia, the Muslim/Arab conquest of North Africa and the Levant was “settler colonialism”. Call it that and force the leftards to prove it wasn’t. (Hint: They can’t prove that.)

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 26, 2023 9:33 pm

Blockquote fail, only the final para is mine.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
November 26, 2023 9:34 pm

he is much better than the useless flog he defeated, Andrew Constance.

Sad to say I second this…

C.L.
C.L.
November 26, 2023 9:36 pm

Newspoll bombshell: 50-50.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:37 pm

Cats – another great love song …

We’re all just baybees, in my view

Miss Laydee

I’ll teleport from here to there, I tells ya … 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 26, 2023 9:41 pm

$60 at Jaycar solves all the issues with your TV, KD.

I solved the issues by selling it to a couple of chicks and bloke for $150 today, which I then converted into $550 at an establishment near to me.

$150 in front, taking into account what I paid for the TV in the first place two years ago.

Still forked out $600 for a new one yesterday, but there you go.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 9:41 pm

He was an artillery officer. He’d fall off his horse in a cavalry charge.

Who was the American Civil War General, who said that cavalry were of no use, except for torturing invalids to get their gold?

Cassie of Sydney
November 26, 2023 9:45 pm

As much as I don’t like Sharma (really NSW Libs, no rugged conservatives – really?), he is much better than the useless flog he defeated, Andrew Constance.”

Oh yes, Sharma is infinitely better than Constance however I would have preferred Monica Tudehope.

cohenite
November 26, 2023 9:47 pm

WIP: the Israeli women with the rifles over their beautiful shoulders. Outstanding.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 9:48 pm

Who was the American Civil War General, who said that cavalry were of no use, except for torturing invalids to get their gold?

Heh, sounds like McClellan. I don’t actually know, but certainly not Morgan or Sheridan.

MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 9:51 pm

$150 in front

Lol … both thorough risk analysis and a proper NPV

Cassie of Sydney
November 26, 2023 9:56 pm

Newspoll bombshell: 50-50.”

How sweet it is. I’ve waited eighteen long months for this. This disgrace of a PM and government have been given the easiest ride ever by an equally disgraceful and compromised MSM but I knew that sooner or later the wheels would start to fall off and since da Voice defeat, his smirk is gone and he’s not coping.

Rabz
November 26, 2023 9:56 pm

Who was the American Civil War General, who said that “they couldn’t hit the side of a barn from blaaam” … 😕

Because the first thing I would like to say is that I’m sick of bald headed flogs selling wars door to door … 🙁

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 26, 2023 9:59 pm

Don’t let a hot crazy 10/10 near musical instruments.

The Presets – Talk Like That (2007)

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 26, 2023 10:05 pm

USA, Canada, Germany, Ireland, Yookay, Australia- are there any western countries where the government is not at war with their own people? Democracy- what a joke.

I’d take up the flag for democracy,,but I fear my hair just isn’t crazy enough. For the moment, a mad Argentinian with crazy hair holds the torch. And he knows socialists for what they are.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:07 pm

KD, what do reckon came out the drinks cabinet this evening? 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 10:12 pm

Who was the American Civil War General, who said that “they couldn’t hit the side of a barn from blaaam” …

General John Sedgewick, at the battle of Spotslvania Court House.

“Why do you duck? Fire away, men. Fire away. The damned rebels couldn’t hit an elephant at this dist………”

Lee
Lee
November 26, 2023 10:15 pm

But we all know that the leftards only use language as a weapon, time for us to do the same. By the standards that leftards apply to Australia, the Muslim/Arab conquest of North Africa and the Levant was “settler colonialism”. Call it that and force the leftards to prove it wasn’t. (Hint: They can’t prove that.)

Good point, BJ.
And their conquests were vastly more brutal than what happened in Australia.
In India alone they killed an estimated 80 million.
American historian Will Durant wrote that “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history.”

Rabz
November 26, 2023 10:18 pm

Sassy – the goil is just so sassy

If she wasn’t a global pop superstar, Frank would would be telling her that he couldn’t possibly employ her as a hairstylist as the shop had been overrun of young womanages of late … 😕

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:22 pm

They started off the new peso at 1:1 with the dollar on the 90s.

In 2011, the exchange rate for one United States dollar was 3.45 pesos. Today, a dollar is exchanged for 352 pesos. (Black market rates for the dollar are much higher.)

Reuters recently reported that inflation has become so bad that many in Argentina can no longer afford to buy new products but instead shop and ………

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:29 pm

If she wasn’t a global pop superstar,

You gotta hand it to Taylor Swift. Her US tour had an impact on US GDP – $4.3 billion in takings.

She paid the truckies $100,000 bonus. Each!

Rabz
November 26, 2023 10:31 pm

JC – did you watch the Li’l Italy videos?

rosie
rosie
November 26, 2023 10:38 pm

I’m not sure it’s for comfort Katz, but where each hamas group had planned to take their victims.
It’s hard to fathom that it is so close/small they could be on the other side of Gaza within half an hour, but they were.
The latest lot released said they came out of a tunnel to jeers and stones from locals, had no idea where they were going, thought it might to be killed.
Meanwhile hamasses are suggesting that they were better fed in the tunnels than in an Israeli hospital (though reports say they were only fed rice the last two weeks) and are very angry they aren’t all doing press conferences (another conspiracy).
Many if not most still have family held hostage and are coming to terms with the death of loved ones.
Still if you want to demonstrate to the world how heartness hamas supporters are…
If people haven’t seen; a terrorist instructed one mother and daughter to keep waving (in English) for the hamas propaganda vid as they were being transferred to the Red Cross vehicle.
It is relentless.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:41 pm

Can you link them again? I watched the first partially, then got called away and forgot. The girl in the first was deliberately annoying. Quite funny.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 26, 2023 10:43 pm

KD, what do reckon came out the drinks cabinet this evening? ?

It wasn’t a Blaupunkt remote, I’ll tell you that much.

Vagabond
Vagabond
November 26, 2023 10:44 pm

While it’s good to see the liars losing votes, the depressing thing about the Newspoll is that the slime commands 13%. That will go straight back to the ALP as preferences.

I always used to think that about 10% of the population are irretrievably stupid and/or crazy enough to vote for abominations such as the green slime, but that number is increasing. It’s most likely a combination of jew-hating migrants being courted by the slime, and products of our degraded education system especially those who have been to university.

Despite the poll findings I’m not optimistic about the liars losing the next election.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:44 pm

Lol.

John Brumble
John Brumble
November 26, 2023 10:44 pm

Seems like it wasn’t worth the whinge, then….

Unless that last bit was just copium, but you’re an honorable man who would jever do that.

Yrs,
Marcus Antonius Creticus

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 10:50 pm

Despite the poll findings I’m not optimistic about the liars losing the next election.

You shouldn’t be because historically I think there’s just one case where it was a one term government. However, this could very well be the next off the rank.

The morons spent an entire year peddling the brain dead voice bullshit and accusing people of being racists if they disagreed. It’s the most irretrievably stupid government since Whitlam.

The Albanian is bad enough, but big eared chalmers takes the cake for dumb.

Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 10:51 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 26, 2023 10:52 pm
MatrixTransform
November 26, 2023 10:57 pm

I always used to think that about 10% of the population are irretrievably stupid and/or crazy …

correct

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 26, 2023 10:59 pm

Stuck watching the Mushroom Records circle jerk, but arguably the Melbourne communal jizz is worse. Who gives a flying fuck about Melbourne who doesn’t live there?

Some great performances, but too much verbal masturbation for my liking. Yuck.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 11:04 pm

Rich American Jews. Nothing would deter them from the demonrat party

Steven Spielberg and Rob Reiner are cohosting an elite Hollywood fundraiser to support Joe Biden’s reelection — and are charging up to $500,000 per ticket.

Both men are aggressively anti-Trump.

Other co-hosts include Kate Capshaw, Shonda Rhimes, Rick Caruso, Peter Chernin, and Megan Chernin.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 11:05 pm

Whoops quotes

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 26, 2023 11:07 pm

Hamas confirms military commander of northern Gaza killed

Why do the words “Good riddance” suggest themselves?

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
November 26, 2023 11:17 pm

You gotta hand it to Taylor Swift. Her US tour had an impact on US GDP – $4.3 billion in takings.

And every bloke has a mathematical chance of rooting her. Delusions pay.

Entropy
Entropy
November 26, 2023 11:23 pm

However, it was curiously unsatisfying in its explanation of the particular skills & character of the man which alternatively led him to success and defeat. The obsession of there filmmaker with the reationbship between Napoleon & Josephine diminished the portrayal, I think.

no doubt all solved in the director’s extended version to be available on Apple TV.

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 26, 2023 11:23 pm

You shouldn’t be because historically I think there’s just one case where it was a one term government. However, this could very well be the next off the rank.

The recent trend has been to kill their own. Hawke/Keating, Rudd/Gillard, Abbot/Turnbull.

The daggers will be out again. It’s pretty much a reflection that “the party” runs the Government, not the leader you voted for. Joe Biden is in charge of fuck all, and neither is Albo.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 26, 2023 11:28 pm

The obsession of there filmmaker with the reationbship between Napoleon & Josephine diminished the portrayal, I think.

The assumption seems to be that women are interested only in the relationship and his sex life, men are interested only in the battles.

It suggests an extremely low opinion of the human race. Possibly justified.

JC
JC
November 26, 2023 11:36 pm

Napoleon was a pretty amazing psychopath. Sent into exile on an Island off the Italian coast, takes flight, regroups and then puts together an army with the potential of winning against the Brits. That’s no small effort, nor organisational skills.

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 26, 2023 11:45 pm

Hamas confirms military commander of northern Gaza killed

Israel needs to release all of the 7800 Palestinian prisoners in Israel immediately, in exchange for the 240 odd hostages. The Palestinian prisoners need to be released into the West Bank (a legitimate war zone). Let’s see what happens.

Armadillo
Armadillo
November 27, 2023 12:10 am

Next step is for the US to confiscate the assets and bank accounts of the “Hamas Billionaires”, and to DEMAND Qatar hand them over to Israel.

It’s time to abandon “Peace though strength”. It’s time to adopt “Peace through force”. Enough mucking about. The American military is more than capable of fixing this mess, they just aren’t allowed to.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 27, 2023 1:49 am

Just got back from 12 hours around Saigon.

Unfortunately not much has changed in 15 years. Still swarms of motor scooters everywhere; toll roads for the tourists and big trucks, and sadly everywhere you look there is discarded rubbish by the sides of the road. Then again the Vietnamese are cheerful and get on with life – most of them seeking to make a buck and move ahead.

Robert Sewell
November 27, 2023 9:04 am

Cohenite:

My faith in Western democracy will be restored when obuma is dangling from a rope. Others as well, but I have to say he is most responsible for not only the US mess but the world’s as well.

If there is an award for just one man destroying a civilisation, that award will go to Obama.
And he was voted in by whites who couldn’t tolerate being called racist by not voting for him.
“Vote in haste, regret at leisure.”

Robert Sewell
November 27, 2023 9:24 am

MiltonF:
Nov 26, 2023 6:23 PM

USA, Canada, Germany, Ireland, Yookay, Australia- are there any western countries where the government is not at war with their own people? Democracy- what a joke.

No.

Robert Sewell
November 27, 2023 9:43 am

Bespoke,
Not just for the girls, that is a really nice picture.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
November 27, 2023 11:26 pm

Rabz 26/11 @ 9:11

Oh the feeling of desolation isolation loneliness in our wide desolate brown land – oh the horror, the horror ba ha ba ha

https://youtu.be/7N5akOOlGTI?si=7uVbwarNBiXU9Rvs

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