Open Thread – Mon 26 Feb 2024


Train in the Snow or The Locomotive, Claude Monet, 1875

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Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:01 pm

Argentina, a former basket case, has decided not to commit political and economic suicide.

I wouldn’t be too sure about that.

Milei defeated his Peronist opponent by more than 10 points.

I think it’s the most decisive electoral victory in Argentina’s history.

Yes, there’s entrenched opposition, but I’d call that a mandate.

Muddy
Muddy
February 27, 2024 7:02 pm

Crossie
Feb 27, 2024 6:37 PM

Lizzie, people who have always relied on lies will not willingly accept the truth.

The truth is what my people, my ‘gang’ says it is.
What is important is not the content of the message, but the perceived credibility of the message sender.
I may hear the message of an outsider, but when that content reaches my brain for analysis, it will be filtered through a frame or lens installed by the insiders (those who accept me, or at least tell me they do). When that messages passes through the frame/lens, it becomes distorted, and coincidentally reinforces what the insiders have been telling me about outsiders.

You can fine-tune or rearrange a message ad infinitum, but unless you can somehow avoid or remove that distortion filter installed in the brain of the receiver … you’re wasting your time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:03 pm

Roger – Righties when they lose elections are polite and law abiding.

Lefties aren’t.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:06 pm

The truth is what my people, my ‘gang’ says it is.

The aforementioned identity politics.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:07 pm

Also I mentioned the Argie deep state. Milei may’ve made a dent into that with his public serpent cuts, but I suspect the ones that are left are the hard core and they are the most dangerous bunch. We saw what the US deep state did to Trump. I expect the same or worse in Argentina, once they’ve gotten over the shock of the election tsunami.

cohenite
February 27, 2024 7:08 pm

Now look at this prick:

Monash lecturer accused of ‘glorifying’ Hamas massacre
Jewish students have accused a Monash University lecturer of glorifying Hamas’ attack on Israel, with concerns raised about his social media activity.

The bastard is not an idiot: from his linked up your arse account:

Arbiter Elegantiarum, doctor, lawyer, PhD, and revolutionary guerrilla

You see this so often: smart people, apparently, taking the most monstrous positions on woke issues like alarmism and in this case hamas and the scum of the Earth, the pallis.

dopey
dopey
February 27, 2024 7:08 pm

ICJ made a order that hostages must be released immediately and unconditionally. Was that mentioned Dover in the very interesting presentation?

cohenite
February 27, 2024 7:10 pm

If Dutton and Littledick had any nuts when they get into power they should nationalise every resource that bastard twiggy has. I reckon he’s a commie plant. Remember when he gate-crashed a LNP media conference towing some chunk official.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:12 pm

Campbell Newman is an example of the process. Labor were annihilated, but between the serpents and the media Labor slithered back into office after only one term.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:12 pm

Roger – Righties when they lose elections are polite and law abiding.

Lefties aren’t.

Sure, Bruce, but as Milei has said, a critical mass of Argentinians have realised that business as usual is only making them poorer. The lefties have no solutions.

It’s fascinating because it’s like looking at our future.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 7:13 pm

My impression of Morrison is that he had virtually no understanding of rural Australia.

I can’t recall any understanding shown of the horrors of the 2018 drought or the subsequent terror generated by the Gosper Mt firestorm.

Precisely!
He has no understanding of anything outside the public service. That stood out unmistakably from Scomo Sunday onward.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 7:13 pm

miltonf
Feb 27, 2024 6:59 PM
What a turd that Forrest is. Give me Gina and Jacinta any day.

I agree, here is a handful of uptick for you.

miltonf
miltonf
February 27, 2024 7:17 pm

Thank you Crossie. Real women not wimmin.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:18 pm

Campbell Newman is an example of the process. Labor were annihilated, but between the serpents and the media Labor slithered back into office after only one term.

1. Labor ran a scare campaign on public sector jobs that still haunts the Liberals and shapes their policy.

2. Newman’s strength was his downfall; his “can do” attitude came to be perceived as arrogance.

As it stands now, if Labor wasn’t sitting on a minerals royalties boon that has allowed them to throw money about (subsidising power bills, for e.g.), they’d be looking at a wipe out.

Rabz
February 27, 2024 7:18 pm

Apparently Forrest turned up in the National Party Room today after which a very shouty contretemps ensued. According to Pricey, who’s promised further details later.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:20 pm

Sure, Bruce, but as Milei has said, a critical mass of Argentinians have realised that business as usual is only making them poorer.

That will last until the next football match.

The lefties have no solutions.

They have lies. And promises. Lots of promises. Which are lies. But when one side is promising hardship and the other is promising heaven on Earth next week a lot of ordinary people are going to say to themselves as they look in their empty fridge “maybe they will deliver this time?”

The end result of this process is Venezuela, where Chavez and Maduro promised the same thing.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 7:22 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Feb 27, 2024 6:47 PM
Argentina, a former basket case, has decided not to commit political and economic suicide.

I wouldn’t be too sure about that.
Thousands protest as hunger grows amid Argentine austerity (24 Feb)
Argentina has a history of putsches and coups, and we haven’t seen their deep state in action yet. After all those years with the Kirchners in the big house they must be well entrenched. They’re unlikely to be happy campers right now.

Are these like the anti-Trump protests in the US? I would take them with a grain of salt as there certainly are lots of losers who are not interested in the national context but their own and are stirring the pot.

I am optimistic that the majority of Argentinians have had enough of those quasi Peronistas, the Kirchners, and that they will give Milei a chance.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 7:22 pm

2. Newman’s strength was his downfall; his “can do” attitude came to be perceived as arrogance.

Newman was very much the ex – soldier. “Right, this is what I want done. This is how we’ll do it. Geddit!Goddit!Good!”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:23 pm

1. Labor ran a scare campaign on public sector jobs that still haunts the Liberals and shapes their policy.

2. Newman’s strength was his downfall; his “can do” attitude came to be perceived as arrogance.

What is that translated into Spanish?

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:24 pm

I am optimistic that the majority of Argentinians have had enough of those quasi Peronistas, the Kirchners, and that they will give Milei a chance.

At a certain point in any struggle, pessimism becomes defeatism, at which point it is a luxury that cannot be afforded.

Vicki
Vicki
February 27, 2024 7:25 pm

Newman’s strength was his downfall; his “can do” attitude came to be perceived as arrogance.

That is the problem that the Libs currently face. Newman attempted to decimate the public service & paid the price. It will be a hard lesson that Libs will not forget.

It is easy to damn the Libs – but sections of Australian voters have been loathe to give up union advantages in the past.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:28 pm

Newman was very much the ex – soldier. “Right, this is what I want done. This is how we’ll do it. Geddit!Goddit!Good!”

Ex-army engineer. Tunnel builder (for which Brisbanites should be eternally grateful!)

Stood for Liberal Democrats in the senate in 2022 but failed.

Interesting political transition.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 7:31 pm

Police are continuing to investigate whether a licensed firearm owner who shot an alleged intruder found naked inside his granddaughter’s walk-in-robe used reasonable force.

A .22 rifle is reasonable force…a .303 or a 5.56MM would be excessive.

Bar Beach Swimmer
February 27, 2024 7:32 pm
Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 7:32 pm

You can fine-tune or rearrange a message ad infinitum, but unless you can somehow avoid or remove that distortion filter installed in the brain of the receiver … you’re wasting your time.

The same thing happened after the fall of communism and there was a lot of speculation that it may take up to three generations before the peoples of Eastern Europe shook off their chains took up capitalism. I’m glad to say that on our last tour through Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary in 2019 showed that they were all well and truly part of the West. In fact they seemed more free than what I saw in Sweden and Germany.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:35 pm

Newman attempted to decimate the public service & paid the price.

That was his problem, he only tried to decimate it not exterminate it. But none of us realized back then just how captured the reins of state are. Trump illuminated that and it’s the same everywhere. Argentina is no different, certainly not after so many years of the Kirchners.

Azimov’s concept of psychohistory has a lot going for it. There is an immense inertia in human affairs. In his trilogy Bel Riose (ie. Belisarius) tried to turn back the course of the inertia and failed, despite being a charismatic leader. Milei is Bel Riose. Trump is Bel Riose.

Rabz
February 27, 2024 7:36 pm

All that needs to be said about Morrison: he’s a f**king arsehole

He was also screeching early on during the bat flu hysteria about making the quaccines mandatory

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:37 pm

Police are continuing to investigate whether a licensed firearm owner who shot an alleged intruder found naked inside his granddaughter’s walk-in-robe used reasonable force.

In all seriousness, it was unlikely the intruder was concealing a weapon.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 7:38 pm

That is the problem that the Libs currently face. Newman attempted to decimate the public service & paid the price. It will be a hard lesson that Libs will not forget.

I think his problem stemmed from cutting overall public service numbers too quickly. I am for the strategy of getting rid of the top echelon of PS so the power can transfer to your own appointees. As for the rest, freeze hiring and let natural attrition take care of it. That way you have pissed off a few dozen instead of thousands.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 7:40 pm

Rabz
Feb 27, 2024 7:18 PM
Apparently Forrest turned up in the National Party Room today after which a very shouty contretemps ensued. According to Pricey, who’s promised further details later.

I hope they threw him out.

miltonf
miltonf
February 27, 2024 7:40 pm

quaccines

very good and too true

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:41 pm

He was also screeching early on during the bat flu hysteria about making the quaccines mandatory

Only to walk that back when someone informed him about human rights.

Whereupon he shifted the responsibility to businesses.

An utterly loathsome creature.

MatrixTransform
February 27, 2024 7:45 pm

every user-pays shift should be reported on the cop website so we will all know in real time how the cops go about what is loosely described as “policing” in this state

and maybe the constabulary should just drop the pretense and change the colour of their uniforms to brown

this whole thing just gets more and more disturbing

agree with sancho as well, it would be no small feat to shift not one but two, a bags full of lifeless flesh and bones without assistance

I fear we we’re about hear even worse things than we’ve already heard

and that moron commissioner keeps gibbering … “grateful to the perpetrator” … wtf?

Muddy
Muddy
February 27, 2024 7:45 pm

It IS easy to damn the Libs, because they are utterly sh!te at what they get paid to do. They are NOT volunteers at a local community event.

Yeah, yeah, pay peanuts – get woolly mammoth popsicles.
If ya don’t like the publik munni – don’t stand for election.
Salaries and perks increase every year, but has the quality of the product also increased?

The Libs are duds. The Libs are dead. D.E.D. dead. Rotted head dead. Cobwebs in the rectum dead.
It’s way past time to bury the happy memories of bitter disappointments.
Do we deserve better? Or are we content being victims like so many we deride?

The Libs are NOT a choice.
Choose life.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 7:45 pm

dover0beach
Feb 27, 2024 7:34 PM
I think he is way off base on that issue. I couldn’t care less about arcane debates that have been going on for centuries because if the issue hasn’t been solved by now the question is the problem. That highlights a fundamental problem with philosophy and is why so many are turned off by the subject.

People that are turned off by philosophy are generally not philosophically minded and misunderstand what sort of inquiry it entails. Same can be true of any other inquiry.

Epistemology is important in some areas of enquiry. QM, cosmology, neuroscience, psychology, evolutionary theory require practitioners to think more carefully about their methods. They don’t need to read philosophy to do that but it will help some. I wish scientists didn’t reflexively embrace materialism. I don’t like it, I think it has some problems, and I wish there were some prominent philosophers out there challenging it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 7:46 pm

Twiggy as a 21st Century Guy Fawkes? Can’t quite see it myself. Needs to cut back on the bathwater.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 7:48 pm

They don’t need to read philosophy to do that but it will help some.

An understanding of the philosophy of science would be a good start.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 7:51 pm

Muddy
Feb 27, 2024 7:02 PM
Crossie
Feb 27, 2024 6:37 PM

Lizzie, people who have always relied on lies will not willingly accept the truth.

The truth is what my people, my ‘gang’ says it is.
What is important is not the content of the message, but the perceived credibility of the message sender.
I may hear the message of an outsider, but when that content reaches my brain for analysis, it will be filtered through a frame or lens installed by the insiders (those who accept me, or at least tell me they do). When that messages passes through the frame/lens, it becomes distorted, and coincidentally reinforces what the insiders have been telling me about outsiders.

You can fine-tune or rearrange a message ad infinitum, but unless you can somehow avoid or remove that distortion filter installed in the brain of the receiver … you’re wasting your time.

Very insightful. It is why I have long tried to stop embracing a particular political position. In my own areas of interest I often myself dancing across hypotheses. It’s frustrating and can hinder progress but when solutions aren’t convincing we must learn to dance. What I find frustrating about modern debate is the way people deliberately choose to only put forward evidence that suits their argument. Is everyone a lawyer now? Too many people are more interested in winning the argument than knowing the truth.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 7:52 pm

Roger
Feb 27, 2024 7:01 PM
Argentina, a former basket case, has decided not to commit political and economic suicide.

I wouldn’t be too sure about that.

Milei defeated his Peronist opponent by more than 10 points.

I think it’s the most decisive electoral victory in Argentina’s history.

Yes, there’s entrenched opposition, but I’d call that a mandate.

The trouble with revolutionary movements is that these can unleash hitherto concealed troublemakers which derail the revolution.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 7:55 pm

Twiggy as a 21st Century Guy Fawkes?

Someone said a day or so ago he’s the Australian Howard Hughes. That’s probably an insult to Mr Hughes. So far the only thing Twiggy has succeeded at is digging up dirt and sending it to China. His attempts at technology have alternated between a joke and a catastrophe. I’ve friends who had to pick up after him after his nickel brain farts. A lot of people lost their shirts in those messes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 27, 2024 7:56 pm

Rabz
Feb 27, 2024 7:18 PM
Apparently Forrest turned up in the National Party Room today after which a very shouty contretemps ensued.

He’s an elected MP or Senator?
I must have missed that.

Rabz
February 27, 2024 7:57 pm

The trouble with revolutionary movements

Speaking of, Tucker’s latest interview sounds very interesting. I’ve just watched some excerpts, chilling stuff, especially for the US.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 27, 2024 7:58 pm

The only thing the old bloke that shot the guy in WA was he didn’t kill him.

2dogs
2dogs
February 27, 2024 7:59 pm

The trouble with revolutionary movements is that these can unleash hitherto concealed troublemakers which derail the revolution.

I believe Marx called them “Bonapartists”. There seems to be an agreement around this point between Burke and Marx, but the credit must go Burke for making an accurate prediction.

Indolent
Indolent
February 27, 2024 8:00 pm
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
February 27, 2024 8:02 pm

Milei defeated his Peronist opponent by more than 10 points.

A Belisarius has often tried to reverse the decay. It never works. I wish Milei every success and I hope he succeeds, but I’d bet against it. The forces of decay are too powerful. It’s not just people, it’s deep seated assumptions that most are incapable of questioning.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:02 pm

The trouble with revolutionary movements is that these can unleash hitherto concealed troublemakers which derail the revolution.

It’s said sunlight can be a good disinfectant.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 8:05 pm

A lot of people lost their shirts in those messes.

Timing was everything with Murrin Murrin. You expect it will be the same this time around. Buyer beware as usual.

Muddy
Muddy
February 27, 2024 8:07 pm

John H.
Feb 27, 2024 7:51 PM

Too many people are more interested in winning the argument than knowing the truth.

Thanks for the compliment.

Responding to your comment in an abstract way: If we could measure a population’s ‘average’ self-esteem, how would we fair compared to historical populations?

(Winning an argument is beneficial for the ego – especially if there are witnesses, which will, in theory, raise your status within your chosen group).

2dogs
2dogs
February 27, 2024 8:07 pm

We kind of deserve the current housing affordability crisis.

Despite the fact that local government has the most control over how many homes get built, no-one is challenging them over it.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:09 pm

The forces of decay are too powerful.

We shall see. I hope he succeeds.

More than the fate of Argentina rests upon his success.

cohenite
February 27, 2024 8:11 pm

Police are continuing to investigate whether a licensed firearm owner who shot an alleged intruder found naked inside his granddaughter’s walk-in-robe used reasonable force.

Any force is reasonable if you find a naked mongrel in your grand-daughter’s room.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:12 pm

We kind of deserve the current housing affordability crisis.

Have we had a vote on immigration numbers recently?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 27, 2024 8:12 pm

Lizard news (The Hun):

A tiny critically endangered lizard has stalled tens of thousands of homes being built in Melbourne’s west, which property developers say is costing them more than $1m to investigate.

The rediscovery of the reviously believed extinct Victorian grassland earless dragon — which last year was hailed by Melbourne Zoo as a discovery akin to the Tasmanian tiger — has prompted a joint investigation by the federal and state government to help conserve the species’ habitat.

But the lengthy process has paused a series of major developments in the Bacchus Marsh region which are set to increase housing supply and provide thousands of new jobs.

And:

Australian government mapping estimates the rare reptile’s habitat could stretch from the Bellarine Peninsula all the way to Sunbury on Melbourne’s outer fringe.

This includes the Northern Geelong Growth Area where the Lovely Banks Development Group is set to build about 15,000 homes.

In all, the piece claims 310,000 homes may not be built because of the lizard. Who’s backing the ‘conservation experts’ hired by the gummint, one asks?

Animal Justice Party MP Georgie Purcell said: “The government must not cower to pressure from powerful developers and should take the same approach when it comes to kangaroos and koalas who are routinely decimated by developers.”

Golly jeepers. Thankfully there’s not a housing crisis.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 8:13 pm

Muddy
Feb 27, 2024 8:07 PM
John H.
Feb 27, 2024 7:51 PM

Too many people are more interested in winning the argument than knowing the truth.

Thanks for the compliment.

Responding to your comment in an abstract way: If we could measure a population’s ‘average’ self-esteem, how would we fair compared to historical populations?

(Winning an argument is beneficial for the ego – especially if there are witnesses, which will, in theory, raise your status within your chosen group).

It is impossible to make the comparison. Besides that I’ve read Baumeister et al so think the self esteem concept is a perfect example of where psychologists needed a lesson in epistemology.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 8:15 pm

Roger
Feb 27, 2024 8:02 PM
The trouble with revolutionary movements is that these can unleash hitherto concealed troublemakers which derail the revolution.

It’s said sunlight can be a good disinfectant.

That depends on how deep the infection is.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 27, 2024 8:15 pm

Roger
Feb 27, 2024 7:37 PM
Police are continuing to investigate whether a licensed firearm owner who shot an alleged intruder found naked inside his granddaughter’s walk-in-robe used reasonable force.

In all seriousness, it was unlikely the intruder was concealing a weapon.

The weapon was in full view, but was it loaded and cocked?

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 8:15 pm

In WA it’s not the “ Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” it’s the “Two Degrees of Twiggy”. He’s everywhere. Had lunch with a mate back from London saying it all feels very frothy.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 8:17 pm

Any force is reasonable if you find a naked mongrel in your grand-daughter’s room.

Phrasing! 😧

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 8:17 pm

1,345 vs. 10,000 – A Battle the Nazis Never Expected

The bravery of some is beyond measure. Exceeds Taffy 3.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 8:18 pm

Snap, Boambee John.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 8:18 pm

Gina and Twiggy have litigated for no good reason and it has slowed my financial progress.

They can both eat dust.

Siltstone
Siltstone
February 27, 2024 8:19 pm

A question about rent-a-plod. If, while making sure Pali demonstrators are comfortable, a plod-person sees a break in or any other such crime being committed, are they allowed to leave their Pali supportive post and intervene? Or do the have to ask their Pali-masters for permission?

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 8:20 pm

Have we had a vote on immigration numbers recently?

Too many small target, Presidential elections. Doesn’t make for a well functioning democracy.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:21 pm

That depends on how deep the infection is.

And Milei is the surgeon engaged in debridement.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 8:21 pm

Timing was everything with Murrin Murrin.

Um, no, Bear. Technology was everything. I’m amazed it was eventually made to work…two bankrupt companies later. But it’s never achieved better than about 80% of rated capacity.

I sat through a paper once at a conference by some materials and equipment specialists. The Murrin autoclave let-down valves were surviving four (4) on-off cycles before they dissolved. They cost a hundred grand each. Eventually the tech guys and Murrin worked out a coating that allowed them to survive a useful amount of time. That’s how it was: Twiggy went in with wavy arm gestures and hope. Other people solve these problems in technical testwork and piloting. Not Twiggy. He scaled up from a one gallon autoclave to a 55,000 tpa plant in one heroic leap. I used to have a copy of the conference paper saying how scaling up 80,000 times is no biggie these days. that was from the mid nineties I think, it was a Sherritt paper. What a costly mess.

Iron ore is about as simple as it gets. His forays into stupid green tech are going to make Murrin look like the work of a genius.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 8:22 pm

I wish scientists didn’t reflexively embrace materialism. I don’t like it, I think it has some problems, and I wish there were some prominent philosophers out there challenging it.

Consciousness has been shown to have non-locality.

That’s a game changer.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 8:23 pm

Any force is reasonable if you find a naked mongrel in your grand-daughter’s room.

Any force is reasonable if you find a naked mongrel in your SIX YEAR OLD grand-daughter’s room. I’d have riddled the arzewipe.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 27, 2024 8:24 pm

Australian government mapping estimates the rare reptile’s habitat could stretch from the Bellarine Peninsula all the way to Sunbury on Melbourne’s outer fringe.

This issue came up in relation to the pointy-eared left-handed possum* in Gippsland.
1. It’s habitat covers a trillion square kilometres; and
2. There are only 100 left in the wild.
It can’t be both.

* Possibly not it’s real name.

caveman
caveman
February 27, 2024 8:25 pm

If only Joe Ashton punched on for another year, there would be some great Twiggynesses. Remember don’t boil now.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:26 pm

The most proactive new housing approving council in the land wouldn’t be able to keep up with demand if they’re in a migrant settlement zone, which now applies to large swathes of regional as well as metropolitan Australia.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 8:26 pm

If, while making sure Pali demonstrators are comfortable, a plod-person sees a break in or any other such crime being committed, are they allowed to leave their Pali supportive post and intervene?

Yes. They’re not just allowed, they’re required to. This is about the first thing in any agreement for paid police services.

First & foremost they are sworn police officers.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 8:27 pm

I’d have riddled the arzewipe.

Mme Zulu says she would have used a carving knife…

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 8:28 pm

Any force is reasonable if you find a naked mongrel in your grand-daughter’s room.

If I’m on the jury he could self-represent & not bother to present a defence.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 8:31 pm

Timing of buying/selling the shares mattered more than the underlying process. Buying into an unproven project is barely one step away from going to the track. Many things can go astray from bench to cashflow positive.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 8:33 pm

No way Colbert would want to be associated with this anymore.

The Ambiguously Gay Duo

It’s cancellin’ time!

Baba
Baba
February 27, 2024 8:33 pm

GreyRanga
Feb 27, 2024 7:58 PM
The only thing the old bloke that shot the guy in WA was he didn’t kill him.

The house invader was apparently very drunk. Could it be that he was staying in a similar nearby house and mistakenly entered the wrong house? It seems a bit strange that a bloke intent on molesting a girl in her bed would strip naked first.

And special props to Grandpa for so quickly assembling and loading a rifle locked in a gun safe. At night. In the dark.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 8:35 pm

This issue came up in relation to the pointy-eared left-handed possum* in Gippsland.

Gave pointy-eared right-handed possum a bit of bread just now after he announced his arrival by bouncing on my tin roof. He’s a young male and does look to be right handed.

Corella mum who broke my all time record yesterday came back again this arvo and did the same thing. She seems to have three screaming kids, so can understand her desperation. I may have made a convert.

Siltstone
Siltstone
February 27, 2024 8:36 pm

Thanks Salvatore. So if a rent-a-plod sees a Pali assaulting a non-demonstrator they should intervene and apprehend the Pali assailant. Should. But don’t. Because cowered by the paymasters.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 8:37 pm

I’ve known absolute piss wrecks I’ve given lifts to that have asked to go back to their OLD rental house, fortunately vacant, with no way of getting in. People I’ve known for over a couple of years and lived with have on alcohol alone, not recognised me.

I’ve seen a lot of drunken stupid stuff. Perhaps the intention was entirely innocent. That doesn’t mean you can’t defend your house from a home invasion.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 8:39 pm

Needless to say these people were undiagnosed alcoholics who gave aged before their time and had liver cancer scares, etc.

Roger
Roger
February 27, 2024 8:40 pm

Iron ore spot price is down ~10% since 15th Feb.

Coal spot also down ~11%.

Futures are also down.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 8:46 pm

Roger
Feb 27, 2024 8:12 PM
We kind of deserve the current housing affordability crisis.

Have we had a vote on immigration numbers recently?

Not only did none of the parties run election campaign on this issue but they even refused to let the public know what they were doing. I also blame the top bureaucrats and the media, they all kept it from the voting public.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 8:46 pm

The house invader was apparently very drunk. Could it be that he was staying in a similar nearby house and mistakenly entered the wrong house?

The getting into the closet naked, that could take a bit of explaining under cross examination.

Siltstone
Siltstone
February 27, 2024 8:46 pm

State and Commonwealth governments have already spent the royalties and company tax that fortuitous iron ore and coal prices beckoned. They go the bed at night dreaming of how to spend more OPM.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 8:47 pm

DrBeauGan
Feb 27, 2024 8:02 PM

Milei defeated his Peronist opponent by more than 10 points.

A Belisarius has often tried to reverse the decay. It never works. I wish Milei every success and I hope he succeeds, but I’d bet against it. The forces of decay are too powerful. It’s not just people, it’s deep seated assumptions that most are incapable of questioning.

I don’t buy that.

Not in any order.

The first Hawke government was possibly the most reformist in history, and it occurred at a time when this country was really going down the sink.

Britain was a basket case when Thatcher came to power, and even now, yes, even now, it’s the 6th largest economy in the world.

There comes a time when people realize enough is enough and change direction.

The aftermath of Oct 7th caused two presidents of the two major US universities to “resign.”

Stanford has told a permanent camp of pro-Pali on campus they had 24 hours to disband or they would be expelled.

Applications for major US universities are down.

Shit is happening, and it’s not a one-way street.

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 8:49 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Feb 27, 2024 8:12 PM
Lizard news (The Hun):

A tiny critically endangered lizard has stalled tens of thousands of homes being built in Melbourne’s west, which property developers say is costing them more than $1m to investigate.

Isn’t it funny how none of the precious, endangered lizards are ever found anywhere near the construction sites of wind turbines or solar panel arrays?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 27, 2024 8:49 pm

Could it be that he was staying in a similar nearby house and mistakenly entered the wrong house?

Yes, I suppose it could be.

It could also be that the elderly man who actually lived in that house was a mind reader. Or not. Finding a naked man in his grand-daughter’s wardrobe – ‘oh, of course he’s in the wrong house probably, the silly duffer.’

One must deal with what is in front of them at the time. If reports are correct, then an elderly and most likely frail man with no chance of physically removing a bloke from his young grand-daughter’s room, but knowing that there are drug-enhanced and/or pissed violent idiots everywhere and that he – or his grand-daughter – would be unable to counter a physical attack….

I would still contend – if reports are true – that the response was proportionate.

It seems a bit strange that a bloke intent on molesting a girl in her bed would strip naked first.

What?

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 8:50 pm

Dot, in my youth I went back to my own house only to come unstuck getting the key in the front door. Another mate didn’t get that far, only to be awakened by the neighbour hosing him on the front lawn. The grass median strip between UWA and the residential colleges has been known to be the final resting place for more than a few over the years. It happens.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 8:52 pm

We also went through a tumultuous time through as a consequence of the COVID period. Think of this. Trump would be president right now, there would likely have now wars and our own politics could’ve been very different.

COVID and it’s response was a real bitch. It changed everything.

Muddy
Muddy
February 27, 2024 8:52 pm

From the comments on a Sky News Aust piece about today’s ruling in the Qld Supreme Court regarding mandatory vax directives for the QPS and QAS:

@jasonjudkins2056
I had a mate in corrections who was suspended for refusing to get the jab, after two years he was finally given his termination papers, on the same day he ended up taking his own life. Qld State Labor party have so much blood in their hands. …

People with personality disorders lack empathy and can feel nothing: no guilt, shame or remorse. I doubt that my own former employer, Qld ‘Health’ will be courageous enough to admit anything. QH is deeply infested with an organisational psychopathy that has to be experienced to be believed.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 8:53 pm

now = no

Crossie
Crossie
February 27, 2024 8:59 pm

Siltstone
Feb 27, 2024 8:36 PM
Thanks Salvatore. So if a rent-a-plod sees a Pali assaulting a non-demonstrator they should intervene and apprehend the Pali assailant. Should. But don’t. Because cowered by the paymasters.

I had no idea this sort of thing was happening, I assumed that protest organisers had to get a police permission and pay for the normal police presence. This rent-a-cop arrangement is a complete conflict of interest where everyone assumes the cops are directed by the government when in fact they are beholden to the thugs. This cannot go on.

Besides, why are all these protests approved every second day and both days of the weekend? Knowing full well how they get out of hand surely the best thing would be to cancel approvals and disperse unapproved gatherings?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
February 27, 2024 9:00 pm

think the self esteem concept is a perfect example of where psychologists needed a lesson in epistemology.

It doesn’t require any knowledge of epistemology to figure out that telling a child he’s right when he’s wrong (to increase his self-esteem) is stupid. A small amount of common sense can do it.

johanna
johanna
February 27, 2024 9:00 pm

Is anyone else enjoying Zac Rolfe’s Defcon 1 attack on the NT Police hierarchy who threw him under the bus?

Well, they asked for it. He has now testified about ‘racist’ language and culture at the highest level of NT Police. In the media reports, the names of the cops he identified have been redacted, presubably for their own safety. Rolfe himself has received death threats.

Rolfe is fortunate in coming from a wealthy family who can pay for top shelf lawyers. Another cop with no resources would have been pulped long ago.

I suspect that he is a Tar Baby for the morons who sought to cover their arses by throwing him to the wolves (courtesy of Mixed Metaphors R Us) 🙂

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 9:02 pm

dover0beach
Feb 27, 2024 8:18 PM
Epistemology is important in some areas of enquiry. QM, cosmology, neuroscience, psychology, evolutionary theory require practitioners to think more carefully about their methods. They don’t need to read philosophy to do that but it will help some.

Maybe here and there but most, who are scientific labourers, won’t. The edge cases may depending on their problem but I think some metaphysics would be more useful if only to avoid pointless questions or avenues of inquiry.

I wish scientists didn’t reflexively embrace materialism. I don’t like it, I think it has some problems, and I wish there were some prominent philosophers out there challenging it.

There are, Nagel and Oderberg, for instance, Feser also; the latter could certainly point you towards others too.

Nagel and Feser have nothing more to teach me but more importantly their work isn’t widely discussed. I’ve had problems with materialism long before they became prominent. It is the general trend in society at large. I’ve been told these issues are more discussed in Europe than Aus or the USA.

Philosophers also engage in useless avenues of enquiry. Scientists are at least, hopefully, empirically grounded(take that Witten!). That helps prevent them going off on tangents but in active areas of enquiry with data flowing in at the cutting edge there will be blood and many mistakes. That’s the price of progress. A good deal of progress is stumbling forward over the mistakes of others.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 9:12 pm

DrBeauGan
Feb 27, 2024 9:00 PM

think the self esteem concept is a perfect example of where psychologists needed a lesson in epistemology.

It doesn’t require any knowledge of epistemology to figure out that telling a child he’s right when he’s wrong (to increase his self-esteem) is stupid. A small amount of common sense can do it.

I once said to my brother, but that’s just common sense. He replied that perhaps I didn’t realise that common sense wasn’t that common.

Entropy
Entropy
February 27, 2024 9:16 pm

Campbell Newman did not lose the 2015 election because of sacking public servants. That is a self serving narrative.

A lot of Brisbane seats are historically ALP, stuffed with Irish Catholics and Victorian refugees seeking a warmer climate. But even that natural return to normal would not have been enough.

No, the thing to remember is that after the 2012 victory Clive Palmer rocked up with a draft of special legislation that gave his mining interests a leg up over the competition, and Newman said no, we aren’t the white shoe brigade.

And thus in revenge Palmer established the Palmer United Party and campaigned against Newman, promising all sorts of stuff he had no plans or need to meet. With One Nation and the Katters, all three campaigned against the LNP. And in an optional preferences ballot, a campaign of “just vote 1 PUP, or ON, or KAP” tipped the balance and a minority ALP government was formed with KAP support.

It is no accident Palaszczuk reintroduced compulsory preferences to harvest green votes who were also inclined to just vote 1.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 27, 2024 9:17 pm

I would still contend – if reports are true – that the response was proportionate.

Quite so.
The trouble for Plod is they can’t rule out charges on the spot, because Pervy Guy’s lawyers will be all over that.
Go back to the station, take all the statements, wait 24 hours and then say “reasonable force, nothing to see here.”

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
February 27, 2024 9:17 pm

He replied that perhaps I didn’t realise that common sense wasn’t that common.

True. It’s one of those few things owned by a collective. And it’s currently unfashionable.

Entropy
Entropy
February 27, 2024 9:21 pm

Iron ore is about as simple as it gets. His forays into stupid green tech are going to make Murrin look like the work of a genius.

subsidy farming is the goal. Harvesting political grants and subsidies tends to help the gross margins.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 9:21 pm

It’s funny how some of Fat Bastard’s Parliamentary nonsense was terrible but he’s copped it otherwise and championed everyone else’s constitutional rights.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 9:35 pm

Iron ore is about as simple as it gets

Twiggy took big bets on ore reserves and mining techniques that both majors and others said were uneconomic. Prior to China iron ore was sold on contract with price negotiations consisting of an annual flight to Tokyo and being told what price reduction was required that year. Twiggy deserves huge credit for getting FMG off the ground. A number of 2nd tier iron ore operations have fallen over over the years. Historians can argue how much good luck played in it all but it still takes people to make it happen. For the record, I do not expect him to do the same in renewables (or the Indiana Tearoom for that matter).

Entropy
Entropy
February 27, 2024 9:37 pm

Even the fat bastard has redeemable aspects.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
February 27, 2024 9:37 pm

a tumultuous time through as a consequence of the COVID period.
The shamdemic was the emergency we had to have, so the Lizard People could move in.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 9:40 pm

Philosophers also engage in useless avenues of enquiry.

Also…?

I’ve been exploring a bit of this stuff lately, from Kierkegaard to Kant, Hegel and Nietzsche. My general impression is it’s like categorizing the lint you find in your belly button. Twee, and phantasmagorical. Popper, now, I’m fine with.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 9:41 pm

Prior to China iron ore was sold on contract with price negotiations consisting of an annual flight to Tokyo and being told what price reduction was required that year.

It was the BHP CEO of the time who moved iron ore and coal price to spot. Twiggy wasn’t even selling iron ore at the time.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 27, 2024 9:43 pm

Would you have had a spot iron ore market without the Chinese?

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 9:48 pm

H B Bear
Feb 27, 2024 9:43 PM

Would you have had a spot iron ore market without the Chinese?

Sure. Contract pricing was a rip off and would’ve been disbanded because it was a ridiculous system. All major commodity markets have both spot and forward pricing, so why would these two commods not moved to spot?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 9:49 pm

Local bloke – looking at nine months in the jug, and a twenty thousand dollar fine for pizzing off the mythical Rainbow Serpent – has had a present from a group of his mates.

A cake, baked with a file inside.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 9:50 pm

Twiggy took big bets on ore reserves and mining techniques that both majors and others said were uneconomic.

Nah, Bear. For the longest time the received wisdom of the ages was that high phos iron ore was unsaleable, as was magnetite. I might’ve suggested to my manager some tentative technical solutions to some of those questions, but my project ideas never went anywhere.

Then, magically, China boomed and they wanted anything with iron in it. Suddenly iron ore with 0.2% P was magically saleable. Overnight magnetite was the bees’ knees. It was a breathtaking market transformation. Twiggy cashed in on this, and good for him for doing so. Take luck when it happens to you. But he is hopeless on anything with even a sniff of technology.

John H.
John H.
February 27, 2024 9:51 pm

dover0beach
Feb 27, 2024 9:26 PM
Nagel and Feser have nothing more to teach me but more importantly their work isn’t widely discussed. I’ve had problems with materialism long before they became prominent. It is the general trend in society at large. I’ve been told these issues are more discussed in Europe than Aus or the USA.

Nagel has been a central figure in the philosophy of mind, and since at least the 70s so I doubt two and three. If this is a general trend, it has more to do with inertia than anything else.

Philosophers also engage in useless avenues of enquiry.

Of course.

Philosophy of mind doesn’t make sense to me. Nagel was prominent in philosophy in the 70’s but not the broader public debate, that came much later. Even Alan Watts in the 60’s was more prominent than him. I don’t care that consciousness cannot be explained by science. There are many phenomena that can’t be explained by science. So what? Every day news releases about this or that little mystery being solved or partly so. What a waste of effort to write about the limitations of science explaining consciousness when we still don’t understand brain function. That’s like trying to explain electricity without knowing about electrons. In his day they didn’t know about Von Economo neurons or Goldman-Rakic’s optimal dopamine window hypothesis or probably Le Doux’s groundbreaking work on the amygdala but at least they probably knew about Hubel and Weisel’s famous studies on visual perception but to this day we don’t understand visual consciousness. The O’Regan and Noe theoretic account of that is fascinating and often cited but I still struggle to get my head around it. Philosophy of mind is just whistling in the dark. My concerns with materialism have nothing to do with that subject.

Winston Smith
February 27, 2024 9:56 pm

It would be nice if we could turn that iron ore and coal into steel, wouldn’t it?
But it’s not going to happen, is it?

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 9:57 pm

What’s Chat GBT’s IQ level. Hard to be believe, but this substack dude says:

I was surprised by the following results.

I gave IQ tests to ChatGPT-4 and Google’s “Gemini Advanced.” First, I gave them this IQ test by Mensa Norway.

I was inspired to do so after listening to a Dwarkesh podcast which noted that the big AI benchmark tests are merely “good tests of memorization, not of intelligence,” and that the questions they give AIs are things like:

Q: Who was president of the United States when Bill Clinton was born?

A: Harry Truman

He goes on to note,

Why is it impressive that a model trained on internet text full of random facts happens to have a lot of random facts memorized? … why does that in any way indicate intelligence or creativity?

That’s a good point. Most AI power comes from it’s enormous database, and pattern-matching. How intelligent is AI, really?

I have a website (TrackingAI.org) that already administers a political survey to AIs every day. So I could easily give the AIs a real intelligence test, and track that over time, too.

As I started manually giving AIs IQ tests, my main concern was that they might get everything right. After all, they’re great at computer coding, math, essays, and art. They can read images, and the test questions are all publicly available online.

But then I ran the tests.

Both AIs got visual-spacial IQ scores under 85, a level at which the Norway Mensa tests tells you this:

Google’s “Gemini Advanced” performed so poorly and gave up on so many questions that I decided it wasn’t worth further testing.

ChatGPT-4 showed a bit of reasoning in its answers, so I gave it another quiz, a Swedish Mensa IQ test which allows for scoring all the way down to an IQ of 75. However, ChatGPT-4 was still un-scorable, coming in below 75:

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 9:59 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer Feb 27, 2024 7:32 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/25/scott-morrison-backs-vaccine-passports-saying-businesses-have-right-to-refuse-entry

All that needs to be said about Morrison:
he’s a f**king arsehole

We had the “right” to refuse entry.
Bull-sheet. We had a requirement, a legally enforceable obligation to refuse entry.

Any business operator who did not enforce that obligation (lol @ “right”) would be woken up at 3am by SWAT police crashing into their bedroom, handcuffing them, & hauling them down to the police lock-up.

“Right” to refuse entry, my arse.

These bastards are making out the entire refusal-of-service-to-unvaccinated was an out-of-the-blue choice by individual business operators.

Bastards, scum, perverts, marsupials, mongrels, deadshits, far keds, etc.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 27, 2024 10:01 pm

This has already been mentioned earlier, but well worth bringing up again.

Nanna-at-the-costume-party NSW Plod chief Webb, today (the Tele):

On a day when the state’s top cop Commissioner Karen Webb was already under fire for faux pars during media interviews, she thanked alleged killer Lamarre-Condon.

“This information did come with the assistance of the accused for which we are very grateful and I’m sure the families are very grateful,” Commissioner Webb said.

1. Directly accuses her own Homicide Squad of incompetence, inferring they wouldn’t have found the carcasses without the crook’s assistance. They will be apoplectic with fury;

2. Waits inside a TV studio until a camera crew outside go away, while also claiming that she already had enough pressers to go to that day; and

3. Cries injustice that NSW Plod have been ‘uninvited’ (ha) to the Homo Parade.

Demonstrably well out of her depth. When she got the top job she conducted a massive cull of brass she perceived as competition. The rank and file, and the remainder of the brass will be ropeable.

I may have mentioned this a couple of days back. This is the exact thing that brings down Commissioners, and in this case the sooner the better.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 27, 2024 10:05 pm

I may also add that Nanna Webb’s eyes, situated well apart in the manner of a plaice (or an eastern grassland dragon) in order to identify predators, have not helped her at all in this completely avoidable matter.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 10:12 pm

A faux par?

Replace your divots.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 10:14 pm

Cries injustice that NSW Plod have been ‘uninvited’ (ha) to the Homo Parade.

Karen wants to speak to the manager.

Minns obliges.

NSW Premier Chris Minns backs police march at Mardi Gras despite calls for force to sit it out over alleged murder of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies (Sky News, 26 Feb)

Definitely a popcorn moment, oodles of. Will Minns win out over the qwerty organizers, or will they stick to their guns and give him the finger or other erect body part? Will Karen want to speak to the manager some more? Stay tuned to this channel and don’t forget hit da button to follow me!

Rosie
Rosie
February 27, 2024 10:16 pm

Just got reminded why I generally despise tour guides, loud American accented guide with bunch of Americans saying nonsensical things about the Catholic Church, ‘with religion you don’t need science and with science you don’t need religion’.
Nodding in agreement with ‘its a very strange church’.
I went the other way.

Digger
Digger
February 27, 2024 10:21 pm

Mme Zulu says she would have used a carving knife…

A reasonable size cable tie which can be pulled as tight as possible around the whole family jewels package, hold him for a day or so and feed him all the water possible… his sexual desires will wane considerably before he becomes a eunuch…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 10:24 pm

Elastrator is your word for the day Digger. Little green rings! A very underused bit of equipment.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 27, 2024 10:32 pm

Elastrator is your word for the day Digger. Little green rings! A very underused bit of equipment.

I know where there is a large supply, complete with applicator pliers….It was within my time on the land where a young shed hand, who had seduced the shearing contractors daughter was threatened with such an application…

Digger
Digger
February 27, 2024 10:42 pm

Elastrator is your word for the day Digger. Little green rings! A very underused bit of equipment.

Not underused by me, Bruce. I use them regularly as all my current steers can attest. I think the idea of having the pleasure of pulling the cable tie adds another degree of satisfaction with the whole package being included in the one operation….

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 10:46 pm

Apropos of Commissioner Great Aunt Beryl of NSW Plod

Women in power aren’t the problem per se.

These women aren’t Thatcher.

The problem is we have a culture of quotas and tokenism.

Women don’t need merit in modern Australia. For every quality woman in a leadership role, there are several incompetents.

Optus gal, Gail Kelly.

Read Kelly’s wiki article.

She’s a banking genius apparently.

It’s an absolute joke that Ann Sherry “saved” Westpac. She was a union hack.

No bank was ever saved by a union hack implementing maternity leave.

“Bob Joss was concerned about the lack of women in leadership roles…”

Bob was huffing his own farts. Name a bank started by a woman. Does anyone think Kerry Packer couldn’t have increased his share and ran WBC profitably?

If the theory is women are less likely to act fraudulently or take less risk than men, look at “Razzlekhan” (Heather Morgan) with her husband stole 4.5 bn USD worth of BTC.

Mel Caddick
Anna Sorokin
Elizabeth “Manly voice” Holmes.
Samantha Azzopardi
Linda Taylor
Amy Bock
Elizabeth Bigley
Jeanne de Valois-Saint-Rémy

It’s like thinking women wouldn’t be bloodthirsty tyrants and being ignorant of Elizabeth Bathory.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 10:48 pm

Just got reminded why I generally despise tour guides, loud American accented guide with bunch of Americans saying nonsensical things about the Catholic Church, ‘with religion you don’t need science and with science you don’t need religion’.

Jesus Christ man, what a bloody idiot.

Who was Gregor Mendel, Nicolas Copernicus or Georges Lemaitre?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 27, 2024 10:54 pm

I think the idea of having the pleasure of pulling the cable tie adds another degree of satisfaction

10mm stainless worm drive hose clamps…that way you can use a screwdriver to tighten it turn by turn. They don’t rust in contact with bodily fluids.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 27, 2024 10:56 pm

Great Aunt Beryl of NSW Plod

Haaa.

Combined with Kat Carroll, soon-to-be ex Cheefa Po-lice in Quenthland and Whatsername from Optus among others of the same ilk, the cult of ‘wimmin leading crisis management’ appears to be tipping over the cliff.

Someone said years ago that if women ran the world, there would be no more wars.

The reality is that if women ran the world there would be ten times as many wars and associated cockups, caused largely by feelz and that another ‘leader’ wore the same outfit to a cocktail party.

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 27, 2024 10:58 pm

I would still contend – if reports are true – that the response was proportionate.

Agreed. Then again there are no firearms handy at ours, but I do collect edged weapons.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 27, 2024 11:01 pm

I’m shocked to learn how many sadistic people frequent Catallaxy. Shocked. I cannot believe I’ve been on here all this time with such flint-hearted callous inflicters of pain.
All these medieval torture type ideas for a frail old codger to handle an unknown intruder in the dark.
Too risky for him to implement.

He had the right idea: Stand well back & call: “Stick ’em up or I fire!”

Though he shoulda had a heavier calibre, in semi automatic, that’s all.

Steve from kenmore
Steve from kenmore
February 27, 2024 11:14 pm

if women ran the world

I have read somewhere if women had run the world we would still be in the trees but we would be marvellous conversationalists.

Rosie
Rosie
February 27, 2024 11:31 pm

Taormina is very pretty, even when covered in cloud.
The Greco Roman theatre is pretty amazing despite being much pillaged over the years.
Mid 19th century grand touring put the place back on the map, though visitors then came up on donkey back. A favourite of Wilde, Wagner and a few other notables.
The road is still very narrow, the buses take the lot on the hairpins, with a warning beep on the way into them.

The cathedral is a little different, small, built like a castle on the outside, no side chapels but three marble altars on each side on the outside naves, and they’ve managed to hang on to at least some of their gothic artworks
Taormina is also very tourist trappish.
I paid €1.50 for a coffee and €1 for a cornetto at my favourite place in Palermo, here it’s €3.50 and €2 and every second shop is spilling over with majolica, teatowels and tablecloths, some of which have been fashioned into dresses.
There is even a Philipe Patak watch shop, for your better class of tourist.
I’m having lunch (first proper pizza since I’ve been in Italy) where I ought to have a view of snow capped Etna but all I see are clouds, no mountain.
I can see the Bay, so that’s something. I might walk back down around the other road, understatement that that’s not so difficult.
JC did you stay at the pioneering hotel next to the theatre, it’s closed for winter, reopening on 7 March but it does have a pool looking over everything.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 27, 2024 11:37 pm


world we would still be in the trees but we would be marvellous conversationalists.

” Does that mushroom look poisonous”?
” 3 of my 17 kids are still… 2 of my 17 kids are still alive”
“Does this lap lap make my bum look big”

I think the wonders of Neolithic conversation may be oversold.

Harlequin Decline
February 27, 2024 11:39 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Feb 27, 2024 4:11 PM

Yes, went to school in Narrogin in the 1950’s with Kicketts and Ugles.

Dot
Dot
February 27, 2024 11:40 pm

I have read somewhere if women had run the world we would still be in the trees but we would be marvellous conversationalists.

You mean we’d still be in Agatha underground with our Dero brothers and Blue Chickens.

Rosie
Rosie
February 27, 2024 11:42 pm

A question btw on the police for palli demonstrations.
They aren’t attending as independent contractors but as part of an official police contingent paid for the organisers?
Sounds like overtime one day, sick leave the next.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 11:55 pm

JC did you stay at the pioneering hotel next to the theatre, it’s closed for winter, reopening on 7 March but it does have a pool looking over everything.

No, we stayed at The Ashbee. It was supposed to have been built by Brits, which obviously means it was a little on the boring side. It’s basically at the entrance of the main gig there. The pool area has spectacular views, though. One afternoon, the arseholes kicked us out of the pool area because they were hosting a wedding.

The main square with the black and white tiles has a view med that can’t be replicated. When we were there, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones, had his ocean liner parked right in front there.

There’s a square with the police station on the left as you enter it, and if I recall correctly, there’s an electronic notice board. We were lazing around, walking slowly, and this prick was casually driving this shitty little car, hit the back of my leg behind the knee. It freaking hurt, too. The pos of shit knew what he’d done and kept on motoring along. It was the slowest hit-and-run you in world history I reckon. I limped along, caught up to the prick, and screamed at him at the top of my lungs in Italian to get out of the freaking car. He started apologizing, which kind of disarmed me a little. He knew he’d hit me, but he kept driving. I was going to drag him by the collar to the cop station but wifey talked me out of it.

JC
JC
February 27, 2024 11:56 pm

has a view of the Med

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 28, 2024 12:04 am

A question btw on the police for palli demonstrations.
They aren’t attending as independent contractors but as part of an official police contingent paid for the organisers?

Not necessarily. It may very from one jurisdiction to another, & by the type and scale of police presence required.

If it is ex-roster, it usually is an independent, albeit approved, deal between the payer & the police officer(s).

I’ve never seen it anything but a deal, or series of parallel deals, between the organiser & the individual officers. The police roster & paymaster is not involved.

(Sometimes this is paid in cash or kind (eg beer) & nothing is mentioned to the ATO)

mizaris
mizaris
February 28, 2024 12:23 am

The grass median strip between UWA and the residential colleges has been known to be the final resting place for more than a few over the years. It happens.

Memories of misspent years at Tommy More.

Winston Smith
February 28, 2024 8:58 am

Knuckle Dragger
Feb 27, 2024 10:56 PM

Someone said years ago that if women ran the world, there would be no more wars.

The reality is that if women ran the world there would be ten times as many wars and associated cockups, caused largely by feelz and that another ‘leader’ wore the same outfit to a cocktail party.

Don’t laugh, KD. I’ve seen a Ward brought to the brink of closure by two factions of nurses who refused to get on together. And it started with a drinkies after work party.

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  1. You aren’t allowed to ask if someone who has an Aboriginal great grandparent qualifies as one of the “First Nations”…

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