Open Thread – Weekend 4 May 2024


Reading, Julius LeBlanc Stewart, 1884

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rosie
rosie
May 5, 2024 4:45 pm

He’s ‘Caucasian’. A convert which is why the ‘muslim community’ were eager to assist police?
How did they know?
https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/teen-killed-after-horror-stabbing-ordeal-at-bunnings-perth/news-story/5b34c02bd48d322d4f5bd21155701ad8

Makka
Makka
May 5, 2024 4:47 pm

“Two State” solution since the late 1930’s. What makes this fool think they are interested in such a solution now?

He doesn’t think that and he knows the Palis will never be satisfied and will always be troublemakers.

This is his way to camouflage his disgraceful support for Islam and moslems. Don’t spook the horses.

rosie
rosie
May 5, 2024 4:49 pm

It’s possible.
I knew some Liverpudlians who’d emigrated to Australia in the 50s.
1980 and they could make neither head nor tail of the accent of a lad just off the boat.

rosie
rosie
May 5, 2024 4:52 pm

Not to mention Italian islands are complicated.
Sardinia was occupied by Spain for 400 years and they speak with an odd Spanish sounding accent and goodness knows what local Spanish loan words.
Corsican though now French speak a local language that is a dialect of Tuscan.

Makka
Makka
May 5, 2024 5:04 pm

Perth Imam. Conservative is radicalism. Islam and the left are hand in glove. Islam gets another tick of approval from the Filth;

“Radicalisation of all forms, whether that is anti semitic, whether that is Islamophobic, whether that is right wing, Neo Nazis. We see this on the rise, and as Australians, we all need to come together and tackle some of these issues that may be prevalent in our communities,” he said.

“We condemn any act of violence which is committed in our name, in the name of our religion. Our religion literally means peace.”

Janud said the Muslim community were concerned about backlash from the incident.

duncanm
duncanm
May 5, 2024 5:12 pm

Anthony Albanese says there is “no place” for violent extremism in Australia

what a weasel.

The incident is a tragedy for the kid and his family.

Cassie of Sydney
May 5, 2024 5:19 pm

“We condemn any act of violence which is committed in our name, in the name of our religion. Our religion literally means peace.”

That’s a lie, and he knows it. Islam does not mean ‘peace’, Islam means ‘submission’.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 5:24 pm

I found that interview with Golda Meir very inspiring.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 5:32 pm

what a weasel.
The incident is a tragedy for the kid and his family.

Anal has nothing to offer this country except Marxist wrecking. These Marxist (or Trot) wreckers certainly have no aversion to enriching themselves though.

Bespoke
Bespoke
May 5, 2024 5:32 pm

“Don’t bend the knee to these people. They want to take over. They want to just destroy what this country stands for.”
“So take a stand. Be a man. Take a stand.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 5, 2024 5:32 pm

Wet day at the Cafe, which is always fun. Wet days mean a horde of rainbow lorikeets, since they can’t feed on damp flowers. They duly arrived, dozens of them with a pair of scalies, who are really nice sweet-tempered little birds.

The good thing about rainy days is they make the Cafe clientelle more willing to take risks for food. So today I was able to get two blue-faced honey eaters to accept food from my hand for the first time. It’s taken months of preparation to get to this point, so I feel chuffed.

Sadly a couple days ago the friendliest noisy died. She was wonderful, but somehow broke a wing on Thursday and died Friday. Now buried in the backyard. I’d never hitherto had a noisy sit on my hand like she did. Vale, little lady.

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 5:52 pm

‘Second front’ is the phrase used by the current Georgian PM, and its apt given the pressure put on Georgia to do so earlier on in ’22. He’s taken the pragmatic position of not being used as a pawn by the GAE against Russia, while still trying to work out a position re its disputed territories with Russia. It’s the smartest play in the circumstances.

And you continue to ignore the fact that 80% of the Georgian people want to move away from the Russian Orc and cozy up with Western Europe. You also characterize the massive anti-Russian demonstrations as something else. Putin is God!

calli
calli
May 5, 2024 5:55 pm

Good evening. Morning here at glorious Heathrow, a Circle of Hell tucked just between 8 and 9. It also goes by the title “Terminal 5”.

Navigated the on-line check-in, and the bag drop where you print your own luggage tags. I felt remarkably tech savvy for an old girl. Security decided that I was a highly suspect traveller, so as usual I was pulled aside for special treatment and my luggage swabbed and rummaged. Meanwhile a dozen or so interesting types were waved through. So much for profiling.

Cabin crew on China Airlines is still masked, poor buggers. We got pointy end tickets on frequent flyers, and it isn’t half bad. Nice beds and food, fellow passengers thoughtful and quiet. We were the only Anglos in our area. A good trip. They had some tourist bumph on Taiwan – it looks beautiful. Maybe worth a look combined with a few weeks in Japan.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:00 pm

I liked Taiwan Calli. Sun Moon Lake resort is fantastic though a bit pricey.

Rabz
May 5, 2024 6:01 pm

Eva Vlaardingerbroek

Cats, as we know, womanages of the blonde persuasion are not my first choice, but for Miss Eva, an exception could be made … 🙂

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:01 pm

Heathrow sounds odious. Glad my forebears emigrated.

calli
calli
May 5, 2024 6:01 pm

On London…spoke to an expat Londoner during our layover in Taipei. He now lives in Orlando and loves it.

His comment – London is a foreign city with nice relics from a glorious past.

I see Khan was re-elected. The tipping point was established long ago. There’s no going back now. Australia beware.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:03 pm

IMHO Britain turned to sh*t after bLIAR was done with it.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:04 pm

Call me closed minded but I have no desire to visit London ever again.

Rabz
May 5, 2024 6:05 pm

“He’s Caucasian”

Blared the ALPBC nooze report at midday about the latest terrorist kiddie going full moozley.

Gee, I wonder why? 😕

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:06 pm

Steering back to the ‘skips are bad’ narrative Rabz.

calli
calli
May 5, 2024 6:07 pm

I thought the Radio Show would be “mis-heard lyrics”. Never mind…I had something prepared, not really mis-heard, but replaced.

All mother Kittehs will understand. 😀

Humour-4
Rabz
May 5, 2024 6:13 pm

I have no desire to visit Londinium ever again

What a shithole. It’s glory days being long, long past.

That khan shitbag needs to be gifted with some extra special HOP Time™.

calli
calli
May 5, 2024 6:15 pm

That’s it from me. Off to Barcelona shortly. Cattle class but exit row to accommodate the Beloved’s long shanks. BA for my many sins.

Tomorrow it’s a tour of the cathedral. We might have a mooch around the main thoroughfare this afternoon, time and weather permitting. Then off to lovely Zaragoza (thanks for the suggestion Rosie).

KevinM
KevinM
May 5, 2024 6:17 pm

 johanna
May 5, 2024 4:41 pm

20 years seems like a very short timeframe.

Probably is, I wasn’t thinking it through, also I don’t travel much, least not as much as the other intrepid Cats here, and found it odd that the two Korean dialects could have moved so far apart in a comparatively short time.

I’m sure the North Koreans are still listening to and watching South Korean radio and TV??
Don’t know how much is banned and what section of N K society would have access to it.

I think cohenite posted some really good clips of the N Korean female army band.
There was a better one, can’t find it now.

Beats the cute owls any day.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 5, 2024 6:24 pm
Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:34 pm

This deliberate impoverishing of the population in the Yookay (which they are doing here too of course) reminds me of Romania in the late 80s. People can’t afford to heat their homes. The PPE establishment has certainly succeeded in destroying all the excitement & optimism from 2016. The pathetic excuse of a King and the PoW fully on board too. To think that the rancid twot Starmer is likely to be next PM.

Roger
Roger
May 5, 2024 6:45 pm

Do I understand this correctly?

More than 3 million Australians will have their university student debt paid by their fellow Australian taxpayers, 60% of whom do not have a university education and will therefore generally be on lower incomes than those who availed themselves of HECS.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
May 5, 2024 6:49 pm

LOL apparently Wallet Wizard had a chop at Ley today.

Budget that bad hey? Don’t think there will be much left of any alleged surplus after Albo handing it out everywhere. Or is that off the books as well.

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 6:50 pm

LOL.

LOl back.

So rather than addressing anything substantive you return to criticizing Armchair Warlord and even here, without a link, I can’t even pin down what you’re talking about.

Virgo the Wussian Bot suggested a vid purporting to be a road in the vicinity of an Iranian target appeared to show that everything was fine because it was calm.

Here, I’ll link it. I thought I did.

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1781158822142451891

Wally the Warlord was reporting Iranian propaganda just like the bot reports Russian bullshit.

Still, what you write above doesn’t for a moment address what I said. All you’re doing is venting.

You accused me of only read MSM when you know that’s just bullshit, because my links would show something else. And you accuse me of venting.

We take a look at your links and it’s mostly anon Russian bots and that French leftwing imbecile, Arnie Bertrand.

And then you give a list of oligarchs and journalists that have died or been killed, purported by Putin. The list includes Darya Dugina. Dear oh dear.

The other countless names you’re fine with then. Good to see. In any event, you appear comfortable with the extra-judicial murders, or at least some of them if the victims are helping the “hegemony”

You’ve asked me many questions that I’ve tried to answer. Try and respond to at least one of mine.

rosie
rosie
May 5, 2024 6:52 pm

I don’t think that’s quite it Roger.

rosie
rosie
May 5, 2024 6:53 pm

Calli
While in Barcelona.
‘Beware of Pickpockets’.

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 6:53 pm

I don’t care what one poll commissioned by an NGO says as opposed to the party with majority support in the Georgian parliament. I also don’t care about ‘massive anti-Russian demonstrations’ involving people speaking in English to cameras and pizzas being distributed in scenes reminiscent of Maiden.

Would you care if the poll was 80% the other way. It’s pretty clear the mass of people don’t want anything to do with the Orcs and who can blame them. And so what if they’re speaking English. Obviously, they want their message spreading to the rest of the world. You think it would more effective if they communicated in the mother tongue seeing Georgian is the world’s second most spoken language? Dishing out pizzas in Georgia. Lordie, it’s cultural appropriation. Putin would be so cross.

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Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 6:57 pm

Who’s Wallet Wizard? The Chalmers twot? Must be busy redesigning the market right?

Roger
Roger
May 5, 2024 6:58 pm

The article from the Courier Mail on the doctors asking for the [QLD] CHO to be given the arse…

I picked Dr. Gerrard early on as a fairly sensible fellow (as CHOs go, that is), which drew criticism from some notables on Sinc’s Cat at the time.

Glad to see he’s upset Brisbane’s medical establishment in the time since.

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Arky
May 5, 2024 7:04 pm

In 2016 they didn’t think he could win.
In 2020 they knew they had the fix in.
In 2024 they could decide to… “go another way”, to quote Breaking Bad.
Assassination is a real possibility if they think the man has the numbers this time around.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
May 5, 2024 7:05 pm
Diogenes
Diogenes
May 5, 2024 7:11 pm

May 5, 2024 4:41 pm

20 years seems like a very short timeframe.

Probably is, I wasn’t thinking it through, also I don’t travel much, least not as much as the other

My grandmother taught me to speak German which I spoke at home with mum and dad. They emigrated between 52 and 54. When I was in Germany in the early 80s and when I speak with exchange students people remark how old fashioned my German is.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 5, 2024 7:14 pm

With all this talk of electromagnetic pulses, does anyone have a technical outline of the likely fields involved? I’m sceptical it would ever be a thing in the modern world. We’re not using single-wire-earth-return lines on 10-foot poles these days.

Roger
Roger
May 5, 2024 7:17 pm

I note Peter van Onselen has called housing as the key issue of the next election, as Albanese stands to fall drastically short of his stated new build target, with his own IR policies preventing him from reaching it.

File under “We are governed by idiots.”

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 7:20 pm

Looks like about the same number.

Wars Putin has been involved.

  1. Second Chechen War (1999-2009):
  2. Georgia-Russia War (2008):
  3. Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014-present):
  4. Syrian Civil War (2015-present):

Wars the US has been involved in over the same period.

  1. War in Afghanistan (2001-present):
  2. Iraq War (2003-2011):
  3. Military intervention in Libya (2011):
  4. Military intervention against ISIS (2014-present):

US has been involved in couple of others, but they’re minor.

Johnjjj
Johnjjj
May 5, 2024 7:24 pm

Just watching story on taxis refusing passengers with guide dogs. The fine is now $3000 or there abouts.
The innocence of the “concerned” is frightening.
The Muz ( most of the taxis I catch)will not allow them. Simple. The lady talking had a nice black labrador. The Muz believe black dogs, in particular, have the spirit of the devil.
Just watch at airport arrivals with sniffer dogs.
I wonder what’s next.

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 7:26 pm

Vicky

Civil war.

Look, the US has gone through much more difficult times than we’re seeing now in terms of public rebellion. The 60s were much , much worse and so was the earlier part of the 70s.

For a civil to occur, you have to consider not just the blue and red states but also the red and blue within those states. Staten Island is basically red. Upstate is reddish. Southern Cali is reddish. Austin is blue. When you come right down to it, a civil war would be a war between the innner city urban areas, vs the suburbs.
It’s very unlikely, though not impossible.

cohenite
May 5, 2024 7:34 pm

Fuk me: claire chandler who I used to have time for because of her gender work when asked point blank on Outsiders whether the lnp would rescind the e-safety commish waffled and prevaricated like a monk caught with his duds down to his knees in a nunnery.

The fuking lnp are hopeless.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
May 5, 2024 7:36 pm

I suspect many Muslim families here tread the fine line between being observant enough to not look too like an apostate while otherwise fitting reasonably within our society.

Perhaps the teens getting radicalised are a parallel to what was observed in Jordan Peterson’s audience – young fellas searching online for answers relating to relevance.

The ongoing pro-Hamas demonstrations of intimidation don’t fit that hypothesis, though, although there’s probably room for both cohorts.

It’s the Islamic reformation I’m worried about, as that would be more sword than pen.

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hzhousewife
hzhousewife
May 5, 2024 7:43 pm

Labor’s WA deradicalisation expert Anne Aly awarded security medalAndrew Probyn
The West Australian
Wed, 31 August 2016 6:00AM

What good has she done?

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 8:10 pm

Look, Trump is assassinated then you’d end up either with Vivek or Ronster, and either of these two would win. They’d run identical presidencies to Trump. Killing Trumpster would solve nothing for the Dems and vastly increase the odds a GOP president who is just as hard nosed. It wouldn’t work for the Demons.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
May 5, 2024 8:13 pm

Labor’s WA deradicalisation expert Anne Aly

Expert, really? Expert in her own mind and fawning media lovies.

She has an Arts degree, was appointed to an ALP government’s response to the Fed’s Sep 11 counter terrorism, an obvious diversity pick. I trust her thoughts from the nether region about terrorism as I would a cleric from Lakemba.

If she was such an expert why has she only ever been utilised by ALP governments and far left uni campuses?

One would think if one had substance they would have been utilised by some intelligence agencies that seems to be notably missing.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 8:19 pm

I was wondering what the buggery a ‘security medal ‘ was and it gets worse…

Dr Aly, a deradicalisation expert whose work has focused on young Muslim, was presented her award in Canberra last Friday by Liberal Party doyen Philip Ruddock, the patron of the Australian Security Medals Foundation.
The foundation, established in 2010, recognises people working in the security industry, both for valour and for outstanding leadership beyond the image of “guns, guards and gates”.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 8:21 pm

so another meaningless Canbra gew gaw like the PSM (pubic serpent medal).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 5, 2024 8:22 pm

Cassie at 5:19.

That’s a lie, and he knows it. Islam does not mean ‘peace’, Islam means ‘submission’.

I’m married.
I understand the relationship between ‘submission’ and ‘peace’.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 5, 2024 8:31 pm

Comment, from the Oz.

John

21 hours ago
Whitlam was a disaster? What was life like before Gough?

We had – An unpopular war; Conscription; Conscientious objectors in prisons; Private detectives creeping around bedroom windows for divorce evidence; Capital punishment; Unaffordable tertiary education; Aboriginal veterans routinely refused entry to RSL clubs; Unmarried mothers forced to give up their babies in women’s hospitals; Job ads that read “Catholics need not apply”; Aboriginal children forcibly taken from their parents; Married women forbidden from working in the public service; Women paid substantially less than men for doing the same job; The White Australia policy; Aboriginal stockmen forced to work on their traditional land under threat of eviction in exchange for a tin shack and company store vouchers; 17% of capital city dwellings not connected to sewage; Three and a half thousand road deaths annually; The Postmaster General in charge of telecommunication and God Save the Queen.

We didn’t have FM Radio and colour television; Medicare; SBS; A National Gallery; A Trade Practices Act; A Racial Discrimination Act; A Productivity Commission; A Law Reform Commission; Family Courts and Legal Aid.

Does anybody remember job ads that read “Catholics need not apply?’ I don’t.

Ceres
Ceres
May 5, 2024 8:33 pm

“Labor’s WA deradicalisation expert Anne Aly awarded security medal”

She’s the muslim Labor nodding head you see behind Albosleazy in House of Reps. Expert my fat ar$. Rather, teaching these “radicals” (actually just true mueslis) to practise a bit of taqiyya to the deaf, dumb and blind infidels.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 5, 2024 8:39 pm

So Whitlam invented FM radio and Colour TV?

Bespoke
Bespoke
May 5, 2024 8:39 pm

You seem irritated, Dover. Are you OK!

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 5, 2024 8:44 pm

Anne Aly holds Cowan after a nearly 10% swing to the Liars. Might be a different story next election without the albatross of SloMo around and Sneakers replaced by Roger Cook.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
May 5, 2024 8:44 pm

Dunno what was naughty in my rant reply to miltonf’s post on Aly but I’m moderated apparently.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 5, 2024 8:50 pm

2022 Federal election was the high water mark for the Liars in WA. You are already seeing stories they are sandbagging both WA and Qld.

JC
JC
May 5, 2024 8:55 pm

I couldn’t care less. The only polls that matter are elections.

That’s interesting, because you were telling us public opinion in the part of Ukraine bordering with Russia was vastly in support Russian intervention, which subsequently turned out to be Russian propaganda .

It would also be interesting for you to expand a little more on the subject of “elections”, particularly the one in Ukraine and the recent Russian election where Putin received 300% of the vote.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 5, 2024 9:02 pm

It’s not good. The amount of crap washing up on the islands is a worry.

The WW2 pilot rescue story is harrowing.

SURVIVAL CHALLENGE: Plane Wreck In Crocodile Waters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GLOgpOlLxA

johnjjj
johnjjj
May 5, 2024 9:05 pm

Anne Aly
What happened to the issue a few years ago about her not declaring assets in Egypt?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 5, 2024 9:07 pm

Oops, the channel is Back to Basic Adventures@ 9:02 pm.

Crossie
Crossie
May 5, 2024 9:10 pm

Perhaps the teens getting radicalised are a parallel to what was observed in Jordan Peterson’s audience – young fellas searching online for answers relating to relevance.

All these young men have oodles of energy and enthusiasm and nowhere to expend them so they go looking in wrong places. My suggestion would be national service where they are exposed to discipline and something bigger than themselves. Hopefully when they come back to normal life they are more mature and able to deal with life.

Cassie of Sydney
May 5, 2024 9:20 pm

2022 Federal election was the high water mark for the Liars in WA. 

Yes, it will not be replicated at the next election. Labor’s victories in WA in 2022 were an aberration, and a lot of it was due to Scumbag’s deep unpopularity.

I remember reading a piece in the Oz early in 2023, around the time of the Aston by-election. Albo was crowing, he thought he was unassailable and he was convinced that Labor would be able to take more seats from the Liberals at the next election. Two of the seats he’d decided to target were Andrew Hastie’s seat as well as Peter Dutton’s….LOL….Labor have been trying to win Dutton’s seat for two decades and every time they have failed. Wiser, saner heads at Labor’s HQ were pessimistic about Albo’s cockiness and they rightly advised that 2022 was the high water mark and that it was not going to be replicated.

Since then it’s been downhill for Sleazy and his swagger has turned into a stoop.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
May 5, 2024 9:26 pm

Waiting for the ‘eSafety Commissioner’ to demand that whomever is hosting this ‘online radicalisation’ material takes it down. No brainer…

Crossie
Crossie
May 5, 2024 9:53 pm

I have held Claire O’Neil and Andrew Giles wholly responsible for the failures of their departments with regard to the illegal immigrants. I have now come to the conclusion that the public servants who are running those departments must bear as much if not more responsibility for the missteps.

These public servants are paid astronomical salaries, much higher than those of the ministers they report to therefore they are expected to be across everything that happens or could happen and are there to advise and guide their ministers.

I have not seen any evidence of the skills and expertise of these highly paid public servants that even remotely justifies their salaries. If they did their jobs there would not be a story as even the stupidest minister would listen when advised how to avoid bad publicity.

Indolent
Indolent
May 5, 2024 9:57 pm
JC
JC
May 5, 2024 10:58 pm

Did it really?

Yep. Total Russian bullshit. And as though Europe isn’t replete with questionable border zones. Somehow though, to you this was something unique and, therefore, the annexation was justified. If every country with a border issue in Europe decided to make a fight about it, the entire continent would be a war zone.
 
 
 

I will have to update my maps re Crimea and Donetsk.


You should
 
Still, I don’t recall any poll re Russian intervention, let alone one I mentioned.
 
At the start of the Russian annexation, you never stopped explaining how those areas were Russian and therefore belonged to Russia.
 
 

Now, care tell me what you find objectionable with Georgia’s transparency laws?

 
The problem is that the vast majority of Georgian people are in favor of EU accession, and they see these laws as influence from Russia and the Georgian government acceding to Russian control. The current government openly campaigned with a pro-Western European slant. They see these laws as a retreat.

The people also see it as a one-sided play where Russian propaganda is a one-way street. Do you think anyone believes these laws would apply to Russian influence? The Georgian people don’t like the Russian regime.
Can you now answer the question I left for you in the very first comment I made and hopefully we’ll work our way down.
 

MatrixTransform
May 5, 2024 11:21 pm

Other arms reach out to me
Other eyes smile tenderly
Still in peaceful dreams I see
The road leads back to you

Willie Nelson

MatrixTransform
May 6, 2024 12:03 am

what’s the matter JC … you don’t like Willie Nelson ?

Zippster
Zippster
May 6, 2024 8:19 am
Zippster
Zippster
May 6, 2024 8:52 am

Report Estimates China’s Military Budget at $700 Billion

China in Focus – NTD

Bobtheboozer
Bobtheboozer
May 6, 2024 11:36 am

Crossie:
It will only work if the constant demands by the Muslim Cohort are refused.
No Halal meals from the barracks bain marie, Choose what you want from the menu like everyone else. No disruptive prayer mat intimidation, no special bullshit just because you are a Muslim or Calathumpian, Jew, Sikh or Hindu.
The army will give you a hat and you will wear it like the rules say.
No ceremonial daggers, no special treatment.
If you don’t like it you can spend your two years in the glasshouse.
Some people are incapable of self discipline which is why it has to be imposed on them.

  1. They should have more of an eye to the US where our bread is buttered. This is a disgraceful insult…

  2. I’m sitting in our terrace room reading the papers and sorting out my sox for our trip while two Chinese…

  3. Yes, yes he was… https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/online-courses-to-keep-you-busy-during-coronavirus-isolation/12144718 The flog was a Turdbull backer to the very end too.

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