Open Thread – Thurs 27 June 2024


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JC
JC
June 27, 2024 8:15 pm

Thanks John

Skimmed it. Appears that the plea agreement is voided if Assange is convicted of any criminal act in the future. Suggests he can’t go anywhere near Wikileaks again.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
June 27, 2024 8:17 pm

Pogria

 June 27, 2024 7:34 pm

“We have all heard someone using the following phrase, “Go shove it up your ass.” Leave it to politicians to put that phrase into actual use.

https://www.themainewire.com/2024/06/maine-is-handing-out-free-boofing-kits-to-help-fentanyl-addicts-squirt-drugs-up-their-butts/

Jessica Fletcher would be horrified – Good heavens – what has happened to the state of Maine?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 27, 2024 8:32 pm

JC
 June 27, 2024 8:15 pm

Thanks John

Skimmed it. Appears that the plea agreement is voided if Assange is convicted of any criminal act in the future. Suggests he can’t go anywhere near Wikileaks again.

I wonder if they have a couple of spare charges up their sleeve to play if he misbehaves.

JC
JC
June 27, 2024 8:35 pm

I wonder if they have a couple of spare charges up their sleeve to play if he misbehaves.

Just a hunch he’s going to try and move into politics.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
June 27, 2024 8:37 pm

The digital revolution and the ability to make videos of ourselves has given us the means to be described for ever more as the dumbest and clumsiest generation ever.
The only question is how much alcohol did it take to do this?

m0nty
June 27, 2024 8:45 pm

Message for elderly male Cats:

If you are elderly but think you are still spiritedly enough to get up a roof, have a good hard think about it, then another one, then don’t do it.

A 70-year-old retired ex-principal who keeps his hand in doing relief teaching at our kids’ school came a-cropper this afternoon and fell off the roof looking for sports balls. He is in critical condition in hospital. From what I saw of the efforts by the paramedics to revive him, he came close to popping clogs, and isn’t out of the woods yet.

Too many old blokes falling off ladders. Just don’t do it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 27, 2024 8:45 pm

Fatima Payman has ‘strengthened’ Labor movement: unionsSarah Ison
35 minutes ago

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Unions are backing the right of Labor MPs to cross the floor and vote against a caucus position, rebuffing claims that Labor senator Fatima Payman weakened the ­labour movement by breaking a 130-year-old tradition.
Senator Payman joined the Greens this week to vote for Palestine to be recognised as a state, with senior Labor figures including Foreign Minister Penny Wong declaring that the decision of Anthony Albanese not to expel or suspend her showed remarkable “restraint”.
Instead of serving her with an ongoing suspension from caucus, the Prime Minister barred Senator Payman from attending just one scheduled caucus meeting next week, before parliament rises for the winter break.
Former Labor MPs Mike Kelly and Michael Danby both argued Senator Payman should be expelled if she did not bind herself publicly to voting with the party from here on in but CFMEU national secretary Zach Smith admonished those “decrying her stand” on the issue of Palestine.
“Senator Payman’s principled stand on Palestine this week undoubtedly strengthened the labour movement. Any suggestion we are weaker because someone stood up for peace, justice and equality makes no sense,” he said.
“Senator Payman made a hugely courageous decision to take a stand on a conflict that has seen tens of thousands of innocent people die. She is 100 per cent in line with our movement’s values, and true Labor people should be applauding, rather than anonymously decrying her stand.”

“Unmitigated malarkey” are two words that spring to mind.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 27, 2024 8:48 pm

So rooftop solar is a killer, eh, m0nster?

KevinM
KevinM
June 27, 2024 8:49 pm

For M0nty,

It is the 70th year anniversary of the first nuclear reactor since it started operation in the then USSR 5MW, small but it was the first.

AM-1 called “Peace Atom”

It was decommissioned in 2002 after 48 years of trouble free operation, 18 years passed its predicted operational lifespan.

Why do people mention only the accidents, caused mostly by human errors or acts outside human power and not the overwhelming numbers of trouble free reactors?

It’s like the newspapers and car accidents, never the millions who got home safe, but the few who didn’t.

cohenite
June 27, 2024 8:49 pm

FMD:

Supreme Court rejects challenge to Biden admin’s censorship collusion with Big Tech – LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

Barrett and Kavanaugh sided with the 3 demorats and said this:

“[W]ithout proof of an ongoing pressure campaign, it is entirely speculative that the platforms’ future moderation decisions will be attributable, even in part, to the defendants,” 

Spacechook had admitted it liaised with biden in such matters as the laptop so I don’t know what proof the SC needed.

Anyway that puts paid to the demorat’s argument the SC is Trumpian.

John H.
John H.
June 27, 2024 8:55 pm

Donald Trump DEMANDS ‘crooked’ Joe Biden take a drug test before the presidential debate: ‘I would also immediately agree to one’ | Daily Mail Online

This is idiotic. For decades people have been looking to nootropics for that magical lift and it hasn’t happened. The use of ACHe inhibitors has a very low benefit in Alz even though Ach crashes in Alz. The idea that someone with mild cognitive impairment can be given a cocktail of drugs that will enable him to challenge a self-proclaimed very stable genius is stupid.

The test is dumb because they need to know what to look for. There are so many different drugs that impact on neurotransmitter, growth factors, and genetic activity. Although etanercept might be interesting but that requires an epidural.

Kevin
Kevin
June 27, 2024 8:56 pm

Too many old blokes falling off ladders. Just don’t do it.?

I wish I had the power to convince my father, late eighties and he still uses ladders, thanks heaven he is not going on the roof.

JC
JC
June 27, 2024 9:01 pm

John H

Would Adderall offer the pedo any temporary respite for a couple of hours?

cohenite
June 27, 2024 9:21 pm

The idea that someone with mild cognitive impairment can be given a cocktail of drugs that will enable him to challenge a self-proclaimed very stable genius is stupid.

We know you don’t like Trump which reflects on you not him but saying the perverted corpse has mild cognitive impairment is a bit rich. The later stages of dementia feature:

  • increased agitation
  • anxiety
  • wandering
  • aggression
  • delusions
  • hallucinations

Which of these does the old bastard not exhibit? I’ll put head prefect’s money on the corrupt old shit being on risperidone or haloperidol.

MatrixTransform
June 27, 2024 10:31 pm

The Brothers Sun

non- woke and quite the comedy

… heart this

Cassie of Sydney
June 27, 2024 10:39 pm

A 12 year old Jewish boy at a school in London said he wanted Hamas to be obliterated.

The school reported the boy to the police. The London Plod have subsequently visited the boy’s home to ‘question him’.

LOL, except it isn’t funny, is it?

Cassie of Sydney
June 27, 2024 11:02 pm

Whilst Trump has spent this week on the electoral hustings, the Sniffer has been holed up for days at Camp David ‘preparing for the debate’. I think we can be certain that this ‘preparation’ doesn’t just involve debating practice, it also involves medical intervention.

I think tomorrow we’ll see an unusually alert Sniffer.

John H.
John H.
June 27, 2024 11:44 pm

cohenite

 June 27, 2024 9:21 pm

The idea that someone with mild cognitive impairment can be given a cocktail of drugs that will enable him to challenge a self-proclaimed very stable genius is stupid.

We know you don’t like Trump which reflects on you not him but saying the perverted corpse has mild cognitive impairment is a bit rich. The later stages of dementia feature:

increased agitation

anxiety

wandering

aggression

delusions

hallucinations

Which of these does the old bastard not exhibit? I’ll put head prefect’s money on the corrupt old shit being on risperidone or haloperidol.

MCI is more typical because outright dementia would make the SOTU address impossible. I’m not going to quibble over diagnoses with someone who thinks giving a demented person such powerful DRD2 antagonist sedatives is nuts. You don’t know what you are talking about.

John H.
John H.
June 28, 2024 12:06 am

JC

 June 27, 2024 9:01 pm

John H

Would Adderall offer the pedo any temporary respite for a couple of hours?

At least you’re in the ballpark, a dopamine hit is a good approach but Biden’s cognition has declined so much I doubt it would have any significant benefit and it could do more harm than good. Adderall will boost attention and alertness, it won’t improve his memory but it may have a marginal benefit for working memory. For decades people have been trying to find ways to improve cognition and the results are at best marginal and mostly imaginary. I’d use an entirely different approach and one that would be very difficult to detect with tests.

We can’t redeem broken brains. Drugs at best slow the decline.

At least you ask the question but there are people here who wouldn’t know a D1 and from a D2 and have blindly accepted the proposition that Biden can be given a magic pill and boost is IQ and cognition into the superior range.

Oh come on
Oh come on
June 28, 2024 12:47 am

When Perth woman Laura Jones heard about a new type of mushroom gummy that might help her anxiety, she jumped at what she thought was a natural solution.

“I’ve got young kids. I suffer with anxiety so I thought it would help,” Ms Jones said.

Her husband had seen an advertisement for Uncle Frog mushroom gummies on Facebook and purchased some for the health-conscious couple.

“I’m not one of these Byron Bay hippies that would ever take a hallucinogenic gummy,” she said.

Laura’s husband purchased the gummies online.

“It was a bit strange because it was $50 for eight gummies, so it was quite expensive” she said.

Riiiiiiight. You are willing to scarf down ***MUSHROOM*** ***GUMMIES*** from some company called Uncle ***FROG*** that cost ***$50 for 8*** that you bought ***ONLINE*** and oh no you aren’t one of those hippy types from Byron Bay even though you live in Perth ffs and no one here talks about Byron Bay hippies except perhaps those who know their habits first hand…but of course you have anxiety because you have young children – doesn’t everyone with young children have anxiety, right? Totally normal for someone with anxiety due to their young kids to be running to the internet to buy mushroom gummies from Uncle Frog. No wonder she was surprised when she got something that did what it says on the tin. Just a health-conscious couple buying their non-hallucinogenic gummies at $50 for a pack of 8 and expecting them to be non-hallucinogenic..yeah, okay, totally believe you.

I mean, this sounds like one of those exceedingly rare occasions when purchasers of a presumably legal version of an illegal substance which purports to deliver the benefits of said illegal substance without the whole illegality thing actually does deliver the goods (although maybe overdelivers a tad). I’m sure most of the other purchasers were pleasantly surprised.

From ABC frog’s bollocks article

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Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 28, 2024 12:48 am

“Are you thinking what I’m thinking, D1?”
“I think that I am, D2!”
I walked past some big boxes on the shelf in Coles the last time I was unfortunate enough to be in Coles- “Depends”, nappies for adults, which Louder With Crowder had edumicated me on.
How has our culture deteriorated so badly, so quickly? This is Fall Of Rome stuff, complete with Pride Badges on the aposematically obese staff and meek customers pecking at the touchscreens like so many battery hens, h/t here.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
June 28, 2024 12:52 am

Go easy on the poor Perthons, OCO. Not every WIFO can find time to go to Bali between hubby’s swings to get on the ‘shrooms with the Book Group, some have to rely on Uber Edibles.

KevinM
KevinM
June 28, 2024 2:47 am

Real jobs and wealth creation seldom comes from government initiative.
It can happen no doubt, there are examples, but few.
Takes an entrepreneur, or someone in a need of a new or different device to do that.
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This acquisition was driven by Peterman’s need to solve his lumber moving problems, which he initially tackled by modifying surplus military trucks.
Peterman’s innovative spirit led to the creation of Peterbilt, a name inspired by a line of wood doors produced at his lumber facilities.

The first Peterbilt trucks were modified Fageol models, and in the same year of the company’s founding, the Model 260 and Model 334 were released. These trucks marked the beginning of a new era in the industry, setting the standard for quality and performance.
Peterbilt quickly established itself as a key player in the truck manufacturing sector. However, the company faced a significant challenge when Peterman passed away unexpectedly in 1944. In a decisive move, his wife Ida sold the rights to produce Peterbilt trucks to the company’s management team in 1947 for $450,000, while retaining the real estate.

This sale ensured that Peterbilt would continue to thrive under new leadership.
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Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 28, 2024 2:57 am

Have been seeing plenty of references to Tucker Carlson in the Clive Palmer Freedom conference but no mentions or pictures of the other speakers Dinesh D Souza and Dr Melissa McCann who is leading the Vaccine Injury Class Action.
Any Cats go to any of the events ?

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 4:06 am
shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 6:43 am

So.. Luigi, with an eye on the Qld election, gifts lotza “our” loot to chasing, future, Olympic gold medals but can’t find anything to save kiddies lives .. sad..!
?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-28/desperate-families-seeking-help-to-access-rare-cancer-treatment/103991314

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 28, 2024 6:44 am

Thanks Tom, Leak is as essential as the cup of coffee I’ve just had. Hard to tell which bit is best, the hat or the Y fronts, but maybe its everything, the complete package or in Luigi’s case no package. Bet he hates it.

Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2024 6:47 am

On London streets leftist and Muslim scum scream ‘obliterate the Jews’ whilst UK Law enforcement do nothing, in fact some Plod will argue about ‘context’.

At a UK school a 12 year old Jewish boy will mouth how he wants to ‘obliterate Hamas’ and UK Law enforcement will visit the boy’s home to talk to the boy.

The UK is no longer a ‘crown’, it’s a ‘clown’. And the above is a classic example as to why, after fourteen years of so called useless, craven, supine and cowardly Conservative governments, the Tories will find themselves ‘obliterated’ into dust.

shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 6:55 am

Saw the oncologist yesterday and best news I could have got under the circumstances .. so fairly happy ..!
PET results in & Cancer is in the early stages, hasn’t spread and benign, at the moment and cos the Prostate is on it’s last legs he agrees with the urologist that my best option is a double whammy .. both out at the same time ..
My choice, of course, but as I was hoping for the non-spread result to deal with it all at once .. Great! ..
would have preferred to be without either problem but ……. duuuuuuh! ….
Also if I come thru it I am, apparently, joining a unique club I’d rather not have been eligible for …… surviving two different types of Cancer …..
Urologist next Tuesday and then, hopefully, the next step getz a date ..!

shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 7:08 am

Sometimes I’m happy to be poor .. I don’t have a “super” problem cos cashed it in years before I retired to fund one of my kids, who needed a non medicare covered operation …
?Anywayz, these folks who whinge and whine when they get their “super” ripped off .. It ain’t someone else’s fault it’s yours .. FFS!
?No one , but, no one promises/gives you lotza money for nuttin’ .. there is alwayz a catch but, of course, GREED rears it ugly head .. you jump down its throat and ..! it’s someone else’s fault isn’t it .. !
?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-27/superannuation-scam-hostplus-fraud-afca-court-cryptocurrency/103962762

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 7:15 am

…the Tories will find themselves ‘obliterated’ into dust.

To be replaced by something much worse.

One of Starmer’s key policies is to revoke tax exemptions on private schools (i.e. mostly independent Christian schools) and apply the 20% VAT to school fees.

Meanwhile, Britian’s peak Muslim lobby has issued an election manifesto calling for increased funding for their schools.

Keep an eye on what eventuates.

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:16 am
Cassie of Sydney
June 28, 2024 7:18 am

I work with some fairly ‘woke’ and progressive youngsters, that is young men and women in their mid to late 20s and early 30s. I’ll caveat this by saying that the young women are usually much more woke than the young men. I’ve noticed how it is almost always young women who put their pronouns in their sign offs, it isn’t young men. Yesterday we discussed Julian Assange. Now, I don’t usually like talking politics at work, it’s way too contentious. I think our grandparents had the right attitude, politics and religion are best not spoken in the workplace, it’s too fraught. But yesterday, with some circumspection, I did offer my two bob’s worth, and I was very surprised to hear that these young men and women don’t think much of Assange Listening to them speak yesterday, it is clear they don’t regard Julian Assange as a hero or a journalist, which is good because Assange is neither. They were also aware that Wikileaks’ dumping of data had compromised the national security of various countries and people had died because of it.

If the Trot thinks freeing Assange will win him a few votes, he’s mistaken, because any gloss from this will have faded by tomorrow.

I reminded them how, back in 2016, it was a Wikileaks dump that helped Donald Trump. One of the young men agreed with me, and then this morphed into a discussion about ‘will Trump win in November’. And this surprised me even more, these young men and women, no lovers of Donald Trump, said he will win the election bigtime. Whilst they hate Donald Trump, they also hate Joe Biden. I was staggered because not even I am sure he will win bigtime in November.

shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 7:19 am

He then predicted what a grim future would look like for the Greens – veering wildly off-message to claim Labor will think it can ‘get away with bombing Gaza if his party doesn’t win.  
 
 Bloody hell! .. If Labor bombed Gaza we’d end up at war with Israel cos you can bet yer bottom dollar they’d miss Gaza & hit Israel .. FFS!
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13566281/Adam-Bandt-leaked-audio.html

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Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:21 am

A couple places on this list I still haven’t visited.
https://x.com/CultureExploreX/status/1806022645110251593?t=iUGopTC-KJNDIHcFATPQmA&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:23 am

“The UAE and Egypt are prepared to participate in the postwar security force in Gaza”.
https://x.com/MosabHasanYOSEF/status/1806313987224785306?t=YtgKFeeJvvZvKo6cijHguQ&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:24 am
BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
June 28, 2024 7:26 am

I hope President Trump has been practicing ‘gotcha’ words and phrases to make the Old Pedo unmask himself with a rage attack.
If the Left plays dirty, so should we.

shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 7:27 am

Bring ’em in from anywhwere .. ya knoze they’ll adapt/asimulate/become dinki di Oz .. ?cos “our” gummint tellz ya sooo! .. LOL!

?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13574891/Husband-abandons-wife-overseas-argument-MUM.html

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:35 am
shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 7:39 am

Israel has sent a stark warning to Hezbollah that it could ‘take Lebanon back to the Stone Age’ if border clashes erupt into a wider regional war.
 
Not before time ..! using simple wordz that even terrorist neanderthals can understand …….!
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13574959/israel-lebanon-stone-age-gallant-gaza-clashes.html

Vicki
Vicki
June 28, 2024 7:42 am

I am staggered to hear that Matt Canavan is a huge supporter of Assange. What is he thinking ?? Does my head in as I thought Matt was a great patriot & a very clear thinker.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 7:50 am

Regarding giving in to Muslims leading to further demands, no shit sherlock!
Via Michael Smith comes this great clip of how an Indian Policeman deals with the scum.

https://x.com/Salwan_Momika1/status/1806063874418102613?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1806063874418102613%7Ctwgr%5Ef772f1959bfd67039aad3b732a1587c5abbe08d4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.michaelsmithnews.com%2F

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:51 am

Unwra deletes it’s aid dashboard, won’t stop hamaspals shrieking about famines though.
https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1805974063543685395?t=lg3qwOL0aw0KkJb9aW1oTA&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 7:55 am
shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 7:55 am

Gotta luv the lad .. LOL! ..
Billionaire Hamas “leader” domiciled in Qatar applauds the
“up-side” of Gaza being destroyed …….

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/06/27/billionaire-hamas-official-gaza-is-destroyed-but-that-is-a-step-toward-liberation/

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cohenite
June 28, 2024 8:04 am

MCI is more typical because outright dementia would make the SOTU address impossible. I’m not going to quibble over diagnoses with someone who thinks giving a demented person such powerful DRD2 antagonist sedatives is nuts. You don’t know what you are talking about.

I agree its nuts and I may not know what I’m talking about but if you think the demorats won’t do anything to keep Trump out of the WH then you are a special type of naive.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
June 28, 2024 8:07 am

Some people need investigating into their past treatment of animals in their care. Things like this DO NOT happen in isolation.

An abusive dog breeder from Cornwall must pay out £1,426 after being caught on camera kicking a dog as she was quietly nursing her newborn puppies. 

Sharon Jeannine Gladwell, of Mount Pleasant, Hayle, was reported to the RSPCA by a member of the public last July for kicking and hitting a dog temporarily in her care.

Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 8:11 am

They were also aware that Wikileaks’ dumping of data had compromised the national security of various countries and people had died because of it.

Not according to the US judge at the hearing on his way home.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 8:11 am

BP pauses offshore wind to focus on fossil fuels after investor backlash

The Telegraph (UK)

Rosie
Rosie
June 28, 2024 8:12 am
Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 8:14 am

I am staggered to hear that Matt Canavan is a huge supporter of Assange. What is he thinking ?? Does my head in as I thought Matt was a great patriot & a very clear thinker.

Clearly he thinks better than you who has bought into the GAE bullshit.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 8:24 am

Mmm…I’ll just leave this here:

Australians should celebrate the return of Assange

Gabriël A Moens AM and Augusto Zimmermann

The Spectator Australia 28 June 2024

The return of Julian Assange to Australia has undoubtedly been the dominant news item during the last couple of days. In the pages of The Spectator Australia, Alexandra Marshall repeatedly intimated that the Assange matter has divided Australia’s conservatives. Commenting on her opinion, we have contributed a piece in which we argue that this matter should not divide conservatives because Assange’s release is a victory for freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and more importantly, is instrumental in reminding people of the dangers posed by uncontrolled governmental power to embark on secret and dangerous missions.

Following Assange’s return to Australia, Terry Barnes, in a brutal article in this publication, lambasted Assange’s release from prison in which he refers to him as a ‘convicted spy’. Relevantly, he contends that, ‘For every Australian politician, journalist and activist who hail Assange as a hero of press freedom and a shiner of light on the less savoury doings of Western governments, militaries, and security services, there are many more who shudder with revulsion at the very thought of him and his actions.’ In support of his view, he quotes frontbench opposition MP, Jane Hume, who demonised Assange for recklessly releasing ‘information that put counterintelligence and intelligence communities at risk’. In short, Barnes is clearly of the view that Assange is a disgrace to Australia and a criminal convicted of a felony. As an aside, he also criticises the Albanese government for chartering a private plane to bring Assange back to Australia, accompanied by the former Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, and the High Commissioner of Australia to the United Kingdom, Stephen Smith.

We are convinced, however, that many conservatives will not appreciate Barnes’ article. But others, of course, will welcome it as an accurate assessment of the sort of ‘criminal activity’ which needs to be punished appropriately.

In vilifying the release of Assange, commentators appear to not really understand the dangers that governments pose to freedom of speech. Of course, it is not exceptional that a commonly used concept is misunderstood by a great number of people. One of the reasons for the existence of this phenomenon lies in the reluctance on the part of people to critically examine the consequences of the dilution of certain fundamental freedoms. Despite the voluminous nature of the relevant literature, few attempts have been made to stress the importance of freedom of speech for a healthy society based on the ideal of legality known as ‘the rule of law’. Dinesh D’Souza put it well when he said that a society ‘that was once dedicated to maximum freedom of mind and conscience now finds itself struggling to guarantee the minimum freedom insisted on by the law’. Although his comments specifically deal with the demonising of free speech on university campuses, his comments could easily be extrapolated to society as a whole.

Free speech implies one’s ability to express opinions without fear of reprisal. The ancient Greeks believed that only slaves could not speak freely. Ever since, free speech has been historically acknowledged as a fundamental right of every free individual, which works as a mechanism to avoid the concentration of power in the hands of a few. Of course, members of the ruling elite, including those working in intelligence gathering, have a personal stake in preserving the benefits associated with their status. These privileged individuals may attempt to do so by suppressing the manifestation of any reasonable political dissent and, accordingly, by resisting the publication of ‘sensitive’ or ‘incriminating’ materials, which are deemed to be detrimental to their accumulation of more power and control. In short, they may aspire to suppress any speech or the release of information that might be construed as a threat to their hegemonic power.

Since the exercise of free speech naturally threatens the established order, as it risks exposing the agenda of certain privileged groups, the focus of authorities may not be necessarily on protecting the speech of everyone but only that of a few selected individuals, or powerful bureaucracies. It is not difficult, therefore, to understand why the ruling elite may desire to reduce any threat to the dominating discourse. Free speech may cause embarrassment to such privileged groups when any particular agenda is advanced that is objectively contrary to the best interests of society at large. To preserve their vested interests, the ruling elite may be tempted to abrogate free speech. This temptation is motivated, not by a desire to improve our social condition, or to advance the common good, but to obtain undue advantages and consolidate the power of those who control the official narrative.

A truly democratic society is the one which necessarily acknowledges the concept of popular sovereignty. To exercise their sovereign power, Australians must be free to communicate about government and political matters and to expose any governmental shenanigans, fully and frankly. Accordingly, no Australian Parliament should ever be constitutionally authorised to introduce any legislation, including espionage legislation, which prevents the sovereign people of Australia from freely expressing their political views and to publish their findings, as this is just not compatible with the value of a democratic society of free individuals.

Returning to the Assange matter, he is the co-founder of WikiLeaks, which was awarded the Walkley Award for Most Outstanding Contribution to Journalism in 2011, an annual prize to reward excellence in Australian journalism, in recognition of the impact of WikiLeaks’ actions on public interest journalism by assisting whistle-blowers to tell their stories. His legal battle began in 2010, when WikiLeaks disclosed confidential military files from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including a video of a 2007 Apache helicopter attack by American forces in Iraq that killed 11 innocent civilians, including two Reuters journalists. As admitted by the United States, not a single life has been lost because of the release of the now notorious documents published by Wikileaks.

Assange released via WikiLeaks 391,832 documents, incriminating America’s involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, on the internet. As mentioned above, this included abuses by American soldiers and a video of an American helicopter attack in Iraq on suspected militants, who were unarmed civilians and journalists. The files, posted to the internet, were acquired by Chelsea Manning, an Army private, and handed over to WikiLeaks. Manning served seven years in jail but granted amnesty by President Barack Obama in 2017. Yet, the WikiLeaks’s publisher, Julian Assange, who himself did not appropriate these documents, remained languishing in jail.

What is particularly important to consider is that, thus far, no one has suggested that the authorities in the United States had a duty to ensure that their secret and sensitive information was securely stored. In not securing the information, the authorities in effect committed a transgression themselves by inviting more competent investigative journalists and publishers (and yes, also, thieves) to obtain the information for the purpose of exposing crimes committed by the government.

It is quite important here to remind our readers about his awful ordeal. Assange first fled to the Ecuadorean Embassy in June 2012 to avoid capture and extradition to Sweden where he had been accused of sexual assault – a charge since dropped by the Swedish authorities. Assange was evicted from the Embassy in April 2019, and he was then held in the UK’s notorious Belmarsh prison, fighting extradition to the United States where he could have spent up to 175 years in jail for computer hacking and espionage. During the extradition hearings, representatives of the United States argued that the publication of the documents endangered the lives of people, especially those who collaborated with the American military.

For years, people across the globe called for Assange to be returned to his native country Australia. Detained for the past eleven years in the UK, psychologically damaged and isolated in a maximum-security jail for the past two-and-a-half years, it is quite clear that Assange suffered enough. His quest to be released was constantly in the news, thereby reminding people of the importance of free speech in the maintenance of a free, democratic society. Of course, US prosecution of Julian Assange on espionage charges for acts of journalism intensified the chilling effect on global media, leading journalists to self-censor from fear of prosecution.

If there is one thing these last four years have taught us is that we should never trust government authorities to hide information from the public. In Australia, and elsewhere, we have already embarked on this perilous journey with the adoption of anti-vilification legislation, hate speech legislation, disinformation and misinformation laws, laws penalising even prayer in the vicinity of abortion clinics, banning any criticism of prohibition of conversion legislation, ostracising religious expression in the public forum, and so on. The list is endless.

Terry Barnes undoubtedly is correct to assume that, like the Hon Jane Human MP, many Australians will be ‘revolted’ by Julian Assange’s return. As for us, we proudly stand for freedom and celebrate Assange’s return. Indeed, we strongly believe that it was entirely appropriate for the US government to drop all these charges against Assange and allow him to return to Australia. We can only hope that the controversy about his release will become a constant reminder of the need to protect whistle-blowers, willing to disclose corruption and dastardly dealings in society.

Gabriël A. Moens AM is an emeritus professor of law at the University of Queensland and served as pro vice-chancellor and dean at Murdoch University.

Augusto Zimmermann is professor and head of law at Sheridan Institute of Higher Education and served as associate dean at Murdoch University. He is also a former commissioner with the Law Reform Commission of Western Australia.

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Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 8:26 am

If you are having trouble sleeping, try Bidenica.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112686156652032011

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 8:31 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 8:41 am
Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 8:42 am

Australians should celebrate the return of Assange
Gabriël A Moens AM and Augusto Zimmermann

+1000?

Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 8:43 am

+1000?

Sorry, +1000, no question mark.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2024 8:43 am

We dance on’: Emotional photos show survivors of October 7 massacre meeting up at Tel Aviv festival for the first time

  • Survivors of the Nova Festival met up at a concert for the first time
  • The We Will Dance Again concert was help in Tel Aviv’s Yarkon Park 
  • Hamas killed 364 people at the Nova Festival on October 7

Daily Mail.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 8:45 am

This is what the lunatics dream of and would happily sacrifice us all for.

FUTURIST PREDICTS HUMANS WILL SOON LIVE 1,000 YEARS, THANKS TO NANOBOTS AND AI

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 28, 2024 8:46 am

I expect that the outcome of the Presidential debate will be that Biden supporters will claim he won (and, doubtless, the MSM), and Trump supporters will claim he won.

I don’t think anyone is actually a Biden supporter, they are just implacably opposed to Trump and Biden is not-Trump. Well, there is a small class of grifters who want Biden to win because they have positioned themselves to feed directly from the rotting carcass of Biden’s administration, but it is only family members and close conspirators who need it to be Biden and not some other Democrat leader.

I personally prefer the idea of Biden surviving to the extent that the Dem’s feel they can’t replace him. I want the Democrat leader to go to the election with all that baggage – all the personal, moral, administrative, and constitutional failings of which Biden is the very quintessence. The sight of that mumbling, shambling, crumbling husk is enough to infuriate any goodly burgher.

Bringing in a cleanskin who makes new ‘promises’ and says they will now clean up problems Joe has obstinately allowed to fester might actually appeal to some people who are voting Trump because he is not Biden.

I hope BobTheBuilder is right and that Trump makes a point of focussing on Biden’s prickliness – when Biden is hopped up on his meds he gets very nasty. He was never a clever man, but his dotage has taken away any check on his temper. He repeats the old discredited lies like saying dead servicemen and women are ‘suckers and losers’ with abrupt flashes of anger (and also overlooking the truth of how he has treated troops). He finishes off such claims with a squinty-eyed “How dare he? How dare he?” Or the lie about Charlottesville, now recognised as a lie even by woefully partisan Snopes.

Perhaps even mention how his own criminality is now known to the public thanks to his ratfink drug-forked son.

While Biden supporters will claim that Biden is merely shaking with righteous anger at the outrages levelled at him, Trump supporters will enjoy watching Orange Hitler playing with the mean creep like a cat toying with a mouse.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 8:56 am
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Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 9:01 am
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2024 9:02 am

exclusive

John Langoulant: Agent General spends more than $120,000 on travel last year, including six weeks in PerthDylan CapornThe West Australian
Fri, 28 June 2024 2:00AM

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WA’s high-flying man in London, John Langoulant, had taxpayers pay more than $120,000 for international travel last year, including a business class airfare to Perth for a month.
Analysis of travel reports show Mr Langoulant — the only senior overseas bureaucrat entitled to business class — wracked up a travel bill of more than $124,000 — including two flights to Perth.
Despite taxpayers forking out more than $300,000 in rental assistance for a London apartment, the Agent-General billed taxpayers for a $17,000 business class flight to Perth for the month-long reprieve from England’s bitter winter in November and December.
A Departmental spokesman said the figure was in accordance with relevant guidelines and processes.

All animals are equal, it’s just that some are more equal then others…

cohenite
June 28, 2024 9:04 am

If Trump does attack the old pervert he should do so on safe ground and use these 2 points:

1 The laptop hoax where now even pro-demorat media is calling it crap:

House probe finds ‘blatant political operation’ to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story – Washington Times

2 The very fine people hoax where Snopes after 7 years finally admitted it was crap noting this was said by biden, when he was sane, as the reason he ran against Trump

When the old turd also brings up Jan 6 and the 34 convictions Trump should also have ready but steady replies such as I told people to be peaceful and offered the National Guard. I did my bit. And in regard to the 34 offences he should say there was only one and that he will appeal it because he believes in the rule of law.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 9:06 am
Rabz
June 28, 2024 9:06 am

They were also aware that Wikileaks’ dumping of data had compromised the national security of various countries and people had died because of it

Cass – a certain blogger profoundly disagrees with this observation.

The assange imbroglio has certainly left me feeling rather conflicted. The guy is a detestable narcissistic nobody who suddenly found himself way out of his depth after engaging in an act of foolhardy bravado that he presumed would have no adverse consequences. Languishing in a broom closet in a banana republic’s Londinium embassy for a decade was cruel and unusual punishment, even for a vainglorious idiot like assange – yet it struck me as a quite fitting consequence of his actions.

However, I stopped giving a rodent’s backside many years ago about the “security concerns” of stupid evil incompetent and utterly destructive western governments and the lackeys in their employ. If assange did embarrass preposterous warmongering turkeys like the Bushes and Shrillary, then that redeems him somewhat in view.

Anyway, if the clown knows what’s good for him, he’ll shut up, adopt a low profile and hope that he doesn’t end up being Arkancided any time soon. I for one would be very happy if I never read or heard anything about the idiot ever again in my life.

As for knobheads like albansleazy and ruff attempting to bask in some reflected glory from assange’s release, give me a break.

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 9:12 am

Good luck with the phosphate problem Shatterzzz.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 9:14 am

Maybe I should post this (edited) reply to Vicki in the main section:

I don’t think Assange is a hero and I don’t “celebrate” his return. However, I believe he has “served his time” and that’s the end of the matter.

There is a place for breaking the law for the sake of conscience and the greater good, provided one accepts there will be a penalty. To the extent that Assange seemed to believe he was exempt from penalty, he was either naive or narcissistic – or both, some will aver.

Moens & Zimmerman make excellent points about free speech. I suspect most Australians don’t realise how severely curtailed free speech is in this country. That’s the context for their above piece.

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 9:15 am

This is just a short TikTok clip, but he nails it.

Elon Musk says George Soros is DESTROYING HUMANITY

Indolent
Indolent
June 28, 2024 9:18 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
June 28, 2024 9:21 am

My 2c on Assange. I share his concerns about the US justice system.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2024 9:22 am

Most thirty years olds and under really have little knowledge or interest in Assange. Like the military actions in question, it’s relegated to history in their minds.
I’ve asked youngsters in my circle and it just doesn’t rate as an issue. Their media feeds won’t be featuring the pasty messiah.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 28, 2024 9:24 am

Don’t know if it has been noted before, but there is a mock ad for a sleeping medication called Bidenica.

It is being attributed to the Trump campaign but I think it was actually produced by a person called Jimmy Fallia, who is a radio host. There is no reference at the end to it being a part of the Trump campaign, at least.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 28, 2024 9:29 am

The Beanie reckons Trump should exploit the mic-muting thing in the debate. When his mic is muted he can say things to needle Biden that only he will hear.

At home people will see Biden launch into a prepared response and suddenly turn to Trump and angrily shout, with uncontrolled rage, fragments of unrelated sentences.

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shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 9:35 am

The Don just getz better .. Bidenica .. sleep aid .. LOL!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1806319900190974411

Zippster
Zippster
June 28, 2024 9:38 am
cohenite
June 28, 2024 9:42 am

From Real Clear Energy, a greenie source but which still calls out bullshit:

Five Questions for a Real Presidential Debate on Energy Amanda Eversole, RCEnergy
EV Mandates: Burden on Minority Communities Shay Hawkins, RCEnergy
Biden’s Energy Policies Based on Fantasies, Fairy Tales Emily Arthun, RCEnergy

RealClearEnergy – Opinion, News, Analysis, Video and Polls

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cohenite
June 28, 2024 9:44 am

From Real Clear Energy, a greenie source but which still calls out bullshit:

Five Questions for a Real Presidential Debate on Energy Amanda Eversole, RCEnergy
EV Mandates: Burden on Minority Communities Shay Hawkins, RCEnergy
Biden’s Energy Policies Based on Fantasies, Fairy Tales Emily Arthun, RCEnergy

RealClearEnergy – Opinion, News, Analysis, Video and Polls

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 9:45 am

“…the average leftist is a deeply insincere humanitarian who cares about others only as a vehicle for developing an identity and asserting it on a public stage.”

Daniel Greenfield
Every Leftist Cause Begins as Humanitarianism and Ends as Terrorism
(see cohenite’s link above.)

I think this is spot on.

I’ve written before about how David Riesman’s description of the other-directed personality type (The Lonely Crowd, 1950) predicted the progressive leftist.

This explains, I believe, why so much prog-left activism – from throwing paint on artworks to gluing oneself to a busy road – is performative (and always filmed). The goal is not so much to effect change, but to be seen to be calling for change. The reward is basking in the admiration of their prog-left peers, which validates their pitiful existence in a one-dimensional world with no future but also no past and hence no tradition from which an identity is received.

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johanna
johanna
June 28, 2024 9:46 am

US Presidential debate is on a couple of FTA channels (Nein and Ten) at 11 am.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 9:49 am

Liberty quote:

Every Leftist Cause Begins as Humanitarianism and Ends as Terrorism

— Daniel Greenfield

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 10:06 am

Roger
 June 28, 2024 8:11 am

BP pauses offshore wind to focus on fossil fuels after investor backlash

It occurred to me last night.
I remember when Geothermal was the Next Big Thing.
I think Flummery was even spruiking it.
Wha’ happen?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2024 10:21 am

House That! Ben Wyatt moving on from Nedlands mansion only a couple of years after buying it for $3.69m
Kim MacdonaldThe West Australian
Fri, 28 June 2024

Former State treasurer Ben Wyatt must have got used to a week being a long time back when he was in politics, considering he is selling his Nedlands home only two years after buying it.
The first two years at a new home feels like the honeymoon stage for most buyers, but Wyatt is already set to move on, seeking offers on the four-bedroom home he bought for $3.69 million home in May 2022.
It is a surprising move given it took him a year to find the home after an exhaustive search across Perth.
House That! does not know if he, wife Vivianne and their children are preparing to move on to bigger and better things, or seeking to downsize from the four-bedroom property.

Today’s Labor Party – living in mansions for the good of the working class – it’s a long way from Ben Chifely’s Bathurst cottage..

shatterzzz
June 28, 2024 10:31 am

THANX to everyone over their well wishes about my health issues ..

When I was 3 years old a gypsy fortune teller told me I’d be around for my 82nd birthday .. so still, at least, 6 years left ..!
Unfortunately, she never mentioned what condition I would be in ……. LOL!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 28, 2024 10:32 am

Notes from the Cess Pit:
General election live: Nigel Farage ‘dismayed’ after Reform activist filmed making racist comments

Interesting insight #1: the UK media as active player in the political imbroglio.

The actual ‘racist’ comment in question:

Mr Parker, who was filmed as part of an undercover investigation by Channel 4 News, said: “I’ve always been a Tory voter. But what annoys me is that f****** p*** we’ve got in. What good is he? You tell me, you know. He’s just wet. F****** useless”.

Technical note: f****** p*** = forking prick.

In febrile UK public culture, any accusation of racism is an absolutely red hot, bite the carpet, call the police (literally), moral panic, trigger issue.

Calling Rishi Sunak a “forking prick” becomes racist simply because, well, because…

Interesting insight #2: Reform sufferers from dim-witted indiscipline – not dissimilar to what we see in minor-party Australia.

He [Parker] also suggested Army recruits should carry out “target practice” on migrants arriving on small boats across the English Channel.

Stupid, stupid stuff when you are trying to launch an Extreme Far Right Literally Nazi Populist party in a controversial setting.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 10:44 am

Blowjob economy news…

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/ndis-to-cost-100b-exceeding-the-pension-budget-watchdog-20240614-p5jltf
The National Disability Insurance Scheme is on track to overtake the age pension as the most expensive area of government spending within three years if it remains stuck on its current growth trajectory.

Even if Labor successfully reins in the rapidly growing $42 billion social program, it will still overtake the pension in terms of cost within a decade, according to projections by the independent budget watchdog, published on Thursday.


Outside the NDIS, the fastest-growing expense over the next decade will be debt interest payments, which are projected to increase to 1.3 per cent of gross domestic product by 2034-35, up from 0.9 per cent

?

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 28, 2024 10:45 am

Darebin City Council taking considerable leave of their senses. Going vegan apparently. Good Lord

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 10:51 am

shatterzzz
 June 28, 2024 10:31 am

THANX to everyone over their well wishes about my health issues ..

When I was 3 years old a gypsy fortune teller told me I’d be around for my 82nd birthday .. so still, at least, 6 years left ..!

Unfortunately, she never mentioned what condition I would be in ……. LOL!

Very few of us get to the finish line without a few dented panels and a bit of paint off.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 10:57 am

This morning’s presidential debate telecast on Sky News Australia is being hosted by Fluffy Analise Nielsen and Laura Jayes — the twin Karens that male daytime Sky unwatchable. FMD.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 10:59 am

US presidential debate is about to start.

Time to make the popcorn!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 28, 2024 11:06 am

Dementia Joe up first – incoherent.

The Donald can be understood.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 11:09 am

Trump’s strategy is correct: let Biden speak. Biden sounds like a nervous wannabe, not the White House incumbent.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 11:11 am

I can’t believe Biden brought up Afghanistan like it was a win for him

Muddy
Muddy
June 28, 2024 11:11 am

Queer and Atrophied Reborn.
Thank you in advance to those about to suffer psychological distress so the rest of us don’t have to.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 28, 2024 11:13 am

If Biden has been jacked up with pharmaceuticals, the net result is a convincing image of an old sick man, struggling to stay upright and awake.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 11:20 am

Now Biden brings up a girl raped by an illegal immigrant to try and make a case for abortion?

Who prepped this guy?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 28, 2024 11:21 am

Biden on tax reform:

“…we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the COVID – excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with… Look, if – we finally beat Medicare.”

There’s a message for all of us there…

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 28, 2024 11:24 am

Trump sounded silly when he described the US southern border as the “most dangerous place in the word”. Really? Not eastern Ukraine? Not the favelas of Rio de Janeiro?
He does himself no favours when he spouts superlatives off the cuff like that.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 11:29 am

HA!
Daily Mail leads with,

BIDEN MALFUNCTIONS!

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 11:34 am

“Call the Police, Trump Is Committing Elder Abuse the Likes of Which We Have Never Before Seen—Disinformation Expert Ace”
😀 😀 😀

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 28, 2024 11:36 am

At least Biden stopped short of formally declaring war on Russia. Tough shit for Poland and the NATO countries though; Putin’s coming for them. That’s why we’re strong.

Apparently.

Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 11:36 am

Trump sounded silly when he described the US southern border as the “most dangerous place in the word”. Really? Not eastern Ukraine? Not the favelas of Rio de Janeiro?
For the US, with all the ramifications it is. Ukraine, Brazil don’t even rate.

JC
JC
June 28, 2024 11:36 am

The filthy crook is literally decomposing in front of the camera.

Eyrie
Eyrie
June 28, 2024 11:37 am

Is it possible the bloke in the UK said “forkin Paki”?

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 28, 2024 11:41 am

Monty will call it a win for Biden.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 11:42 am

Dover is right. Especially after today, it is beyond belief that the DNC will continue with the Biden candidacy.

That tells me the DNC strategy is simply to double down on the electoral cheating.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 28, 2024 11:43 am

“No major war in Europe has ever been able to be contained to just Europe” – Biden.
Sounded like a fair point. And relevant to Trump’s remark about USA being separated by an ocean. Joe’s on some good drugs today.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 28, 2024 11:50 am

Oh ffs, Joe bringing up the Charlottesville “fine people on both sides” quote again. It’s busted.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 11:51 am

Anyone here reckon Biden is wearing a very well hidden ear piece?

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 11:52 am

Biden appears to be attempting to recite a word salad of DNC talking points about Trump, who, as you know, is Literally Hitler. Monty will be along shortly to attempt a translation.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
June 28, 2024 11:55 am

Tom, don’t underestimate Annaleise Nielsen like Albanese did….

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 11:57 am

He’s starting to mumble! The I Pad on his podium is confusing him also.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2024 11:58 am

A rerun of the 2020 election debate on offer.
I think a lot of people would switch off. It’s only highlighted the desperate need for new blood on both sides.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 28, 2024 12:01 pm

Dementia Joe………”we created thousands of millions of jobs….”

WTF!

cohenite
June 28, 2024 12:01 pm

Just watching the debate in the background: biden is pathetic; he has been rehearsed to an inch of his IQ of 25 and you can see the conditioning ooze out of the old bastard; they have anticipated most of the responses. I like the way Trump looks at him: like a controlled cat looking at a sick rat.

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 12:03 pm

Excellent deflection on the ridiculous Climate Action question.
Go the Donald!

Pogria
Pogria
June 28, 2024 12:09 pm

Am reading the comments over at Ace, between reading here.
Some classics. There is a suggestion that Biden is receiving Rectal Morse Code. heheheheh

m0nty
June 28, 2024 12:15 pm

Just turned on the debate. Trump is ignoring questions and delivering a stream of pathetic lies. Biden sounds quiet and passive. So I guess it’s a wash.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 28, 2024 12:18 pm

Trump was asked question on childcare and didn’t answer it. Preferred to fight over the “worst president ever” award. Probably strategic as the POTUS is decided at least as much by personality as policy, and the accusation was taken as a personal insult.

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m0nty
June 28, 2024 12:20 pm

Gotta feel for poor old Jake Tapper. He keeps asking these substantial questions on important issues. Trump faffs on about everything except the subject of the question. Biden gives stock standard answers in a low mumble.

Rabz
June 28, 2024 12:25 pm

Geriatric Joe looks like he’s in ga-ga land …

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 28, 2024 12:25 pm

The age issue! It’s a direct question.
Joe deflects and talks about the achievements of his administration.
Instead, Trump addresses the issue about himself directly.

Oh last minute save. Joe had a golf handicap of 6 when VP. Well it’s something.

will
will
June 28, 2024 12:28 pm

Best comment on X:

ok if you don’t live in the US, please turn the debate off. This is our private family humiliation, and we’d all prefer you not stare.

wins the internet today

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 12:32 pm

Biden slavering for WW3.
“We must fight everywhere all the time”…

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 12:34 pm

Apart from the compulsory religious incantation about the “climate crisis”, the CNN debate hosts have been tolerable.

But FFS, what sort of a name is Dana Bash? Was her dad a dirt bike racer who changed his name by deed poll?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 28, 2024 12:36 pm

Trump has kept Biden in the game. Should have put him away early and often. But chose to ramble on with some inane side issues. Lets see how they wrap up.

Rabz
June 28, 2024 12:37 pm

A random pause in the proceedings.

Rictus-geriatric
m0nty
June 28, 2024 12:38 pm

We are not learning anything. Trump is an authoritarian a-hole and is so old he literally has dementia. Biden is competent and boring, but has a speech impediment and is also old.

I doubt this debate shifts the needle.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 12:39 pm

Neither closing statement was good.
Biden lost for feebleness.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 28, 2024 12:41 pm

Disappointing debate. Critics given it to Trump but geez Trump should have done way better.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 12:42 pm

CNN compares saying Biden should step down because he looked so bad…

Monty, youve lost CNN..

m0nty
June 28, 2024 12:42 pm

Apparently Biden had a cold. Obviously the high-powered superdrugs that the Trump campaign were bleating about for weeks didn’t work. Not even Codral.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 12:45 pm

The road to hell is paved with good intentions (with a verge constructed of virtue signals).
Some time ago a First Nations woman “died in custody” after being picked up blithering drunk on a train in Bendigo. There was zero evidence that her death was in any way caused by her being detained.
However, the politburo in Afdanistan decided that public drunkenness should be removed as an offence, because racist (how we arrive at the conclusion that a law is racist when it doesn’t mention race is another question altogether).
So the offence was scrubbed and a 20 bed “drying out centre” opened in Collingwood*. Police could no longer arrest drunks but could merely recommend they present to the drying out facility.
Fast forward to this morning. Plod come across a 10/10 drunk in the course of their duties. They suggest he should probably go to the drunk tank. He refuses. Some time later he is struck by a car and killed.
What is telling is that this story popped up on 3AW very quickly. I am betting it didn’t come from Police Command or Police Meeja. It came from cops in the station who are pissed off that an eminently sensible and well applied law has been removed. I am no fan of VikPlod, and there are always exceptions, but generally I think the “lock up to dry out” process was effective and applied fairly.

* Again, an interesting choice of location. It seems this is run by maaates and has a very low patronage. Initial butcher’s paper calculations indicate that the number of drunks in Melbourne, even at 10:00 a.m., may exceed the capacity of the dry out centre. Some cynics might suggest it is a policy fig-leaf with the added advantage of wealth transfer to a maaate.

will
will
June 28, 2024 12:45 pm

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Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
June 28, 2024 12:48 pm

Kieran on Sky: “Biden has done well on the numbers …”
WTF?
Biden hasn’t done well on anything since he was shoehorned into being President Puppet Placeholder.
I didn’t want to say this earlier, but thought that he may have been set up to fail today so that replacing him with Newsom would go more smoothly despite it being a radical move.

Rabz
June 28, 2024 12:50 pm

Q: Fatty Trump, will you accept the result of the election?
A: A lengthy dissertation on Geriatric Joe being played by the Pute.

Admittedly, it was the second time the Bash bint had asked that exact question.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
June 28, 2024 12:50 pm

The “Biden has a cold” meme that sprang out of nowhere is so lame, but in keeping with his presidency so far.
If only the puppet-masters had been incapacitated more often.

johanna
johanna
June 28, 2024 12:51 pm

Oh, FFS, Nein just had their US correspondent (Allie something) complaining that Biden didn’t ‘call out’ Trump’s lies strongly enough. What’s more, the CNN moderators didn’t do it either.

She knows this because ‘social media is blowing up’ along those lines.

That’s the level of analysis that somebody in a plum job in the MSM proffers to the public these days.

IMHO, they are both too old (and I speak as an old chook) but at least Trump still has his marbles. And, if we are talking about lying, Biden’s whoppers were so numerous that they are well into double figures.

It wasn’t an edifying spectacle. Of course, one would have to vote for Trump against the odious Biden. But, the real tragedy is that there isn’t a Trump-like candidate aged 40-60.

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 12:52 pm

Is this Joe adjusting his earpiece? Because it sure looks like it.

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Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 12:56 pm

The financial hole in the head that the Nine Network bought when it acquired Fairfax media is coming come to roost. The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age are money-losing black holes that can no longer justify the expense of their ABC-like sheltered workshops where managers aren’t allowed to manage and must obey the workers collective (Paywallian):

Nine publishing director Tory Maguire, who heads up The Australian Financial Review, The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald, Brisbane Times and WAtoday, told staff 70 to 90 jobs will go.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 28, 2024 12:57 pm

I doubt this debate shifts the needle.

Did you mention shifting a needle Monty?
What, like this sort of needle?

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Miltonf
Miltonf
June 28, 2024 12:59 pm

As Tom says the legacy meja carries on as if the internet hadn’t been invented. The only need for a US correspondent is the need for some connected mediocrity to have a nice non job overseas.

cohenite
June 28, 2024 12:59 pm

Colonel Crispin Berka
 June 28, 2024 11:24 am

Trump sounded silly when he described the US southern border as the “most dangerous place in the word”. Really? Not eastern Ukraine? Not the favelas of Rio de Janeiro?
He does himself no favours when he spouts superlatives off the cuff like that.

Trump’s right. I’ll explain why. The US is the most important Western nation in the world; under the pustule biden it is under attack from the chunks, Russia and the ME. Ukraine is the major proxy but Israel is becoming as important; and perhaps Taiwan will soon as well. But the major battleground is the US/Mexico border. It is beyond dispute that soldiers from all the US enemies are coming across and settling as sleepers. Think 9/11 magnified. Under biden there is no restraint on any of these battlefields. But the US’s own territory must be considered as the prime objective. So Trump is right and biden and his masters are literally threatening the US and the world.

Rabz
June 28, 2024 12:59 pm

Nein publishing director Torry Maguire, who heads up the Australian Farcical Review, The Aged, The Silly Moaning Hemorrhoid … told staff 70 to 90 jobs will go.

More great news – learn to code, you numpties!

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 1:02 pm

m0nster runs the talking points …

Biden is competent and boring, but has a speech impediment and is also old.

The Biden speech defect (a variation being “childhood stutter”).
And yet no-one can find any footage from the years before 2010 of Biden stuttering or having catatonic brainfreeze moments.
This purely designed to badger any commentator who mentions it as “making fun of a disability” (and also misrepresenting the disability as a mere speech defect when it is dementia).

JC
JC
June 28, 2024 1:02 pm

MSNBC is apparently saying Hiden’s problem was that he was on the right side of the stage.

H/T Bari Weiss

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2024 1:02 pm

Just finished watching the Trump-Biden debate. A complete train wreck that will confirm to the world that Biden is done.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 28, 2024 1:05 pm

In compounds, palaces, dachas, and caves around the world, people who wish the West harm will be engorged.

They know that the US is on the downslope and the experiment with constitutional democracy is coming to an end. Better yet, they can show it to followers and opponents: which hegemon do you really want?

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2024 1:06 pm

The slogan behind Biden as he is speaking now says Let’s Go Joe. Very apt, he should go, I give them another slogan from Whitlam’s campaign It’s Time.

cohenite
June 28, 2024 1:07 pm

Dickless oozes in with the piss take of the day:

Biden sounds quiet and passive. 

Most corpses do.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2024 1:12 pm

The bar was set low for US President Joe Biden. The leader of the free world simply had to stay awake, string coherent sentences together and appear in control of his faculties for 90 minutes.

The West Australian.

Crossie
Crossie
June 28, 2024 1:13 pm

What was off putting about Biden was his open-mouthed look. Then when he did smile it was an evil grin much like that of Dastardly from Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines from the Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 28, 2024 1:15 pm

Trump is not who he was 8 years
ago. Friday Koffee Klub scenario as follows : Kamala is replaced by Obama soonest, Biden becomes disabled , Obama elevated. Trump will win. Tim Scott for vice. Trump good at delegating, lots of choices and plenty of future talent .

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:16 pm

rumblings…
Biden may be toast.

https://x.com/i/status/1806522450207023155

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 1:16 pm

In all honesty though, Trump was not at his sharpest tonight. There were so many opportunities to put Biden away with a kill shot but he didn’t take them. (on purpose?)

For instance, on the issue of the impact of millions of Illegal Aliens on Social Security and Medicare, Trump should have pounded home the concept with two worlds, flood and overload. That would have sent the reaction meters to the peg.

The voters might not have recognized the golbledegook that Biden was spouting about taxing the rich more to “fix” social security, but they know damned well what flood, overload, and illegal alien mean.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:24 pm

Anyone watch live see this bit?

Biden sundowning while a question was being asked.

https://x.com/JerseyBillz/status/1806513100834656286

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:25 pm

Biden has lost the vital cat lady/ABCcess repoterette demographic.

Dee Madigan

@deemadigan

Not being ageist, but no one over 75 should be running for President. Cognitive decline is real. This debate is a train wreck.

JC
JC
June 28, 2024 1:26 pm

Don’t ever underestimate Demonrats. Ackman is peddling the idea that the Demons should amount the JPMorgan CEO , Jamie Dimon as their candidate.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:27 pm

Bodyshot of the night..

Jack Poso https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1fa-1f1f8.svg

@JackPosobiec

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Trump just BODIED Biden

“Did you fire anyone in the military after the disaster in Afghanistan? Did you fire anyone for destroying our border and letting 18 million people in?”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 28, 2024 1:29 pm

Kamala is replaced by Obama soonest, Biden becomes disabled , Obama elevated.

That may now not be possible.

UPDATE: A friend comments: “You know what’s really hilarious here is that ORDINARILY they might be able to replace him at the DNC. But they held the phony “virtual” DNC a few days back so as to make the Ohio ballot. He’s locked in! They nominated him! He’s their guy! They’re riding the bomb down like Slim Pickens on Wing Attack Plan R!”

Biden could not be on the Ohio ballot before the DNC under Ohioan state law, as I recall. But now that they’ve “held” their party congress Biden is the candidate. I suspect that means Kamala is also locked in as his running mate.

Jill has been out and about also.

Jill Biden says Donald Trump would be a ‘dictator on day one’ in Virginia visit ahead of Friday’s CNN debate (Sky News, 28 Jun)

Short of Joe actually dying I can’t see Jill allowing him to be replaced without serious consequences for the Democrats. So they appear to be in a cleft stick.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 28, 2024 1:30 pm

memo to Republicans: don’t gloat too much, in 8 years time it will come back on you .

Zatara
Zatara
June 28, 2024 1:33 pm

Kamala is replaced by Obama soonest, Biden becomes disabled, Obama elevated.

The 22nd Amendment restricts a candidate from being elected to the presidency for more than two terms. The 12th Amendment dictates that a vice president can not be selected if they are not eligible for president.

Kneel
Kneel
June 28, 2024 1:37 pm

“Kamala is replaced by Obama soonest, Biden becomes disabled , Obama elevated.”

Can’t happen – Obama is NOT eligible to be P or VP under current law.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 28, 2024 1:39 pm

Nine publishing director Tory Maguire, who heads up The Australian Financial Review, The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald, Brisbane Times and WAtoday, told staff 70 to 90 jobs will go.

As Rabz said, “learn to code”.
It never ceases to amaze how self indulgent these arseholes are. The loss of 70 j’ism jerbs spread across five capital cities will be covered by those that remain behind as a seismic event, whilst the loss of hundreds of timber jobs concentrated on small towns in Gippsland will be greeted with a “meh” at best, or “long overdue Gaia protection” at worst.
Those immortal words of Wodger “the Grocer” Corbett must be ringing in their ears. When warned of the impending threat to print from digital platforms he slammed a copy of Saturday’s Age classifieds on the boardroom table and declared he wouldn’t brook any criticism of the “rivers of gold” the hard copy classifieds brought in.
And here we are.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
June 28, 2024 1:40 pm

What a hoot! Sky News has just run a line under their picture:
“Trump Attacks Joe Biden’s Age During Debate”.
Pretty funny when a more appropriate line might be Joe Fails Miserably In Debate. That’s the consensus we are seeing in the real world.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:42 pm

Hello twitter police, Id like to report a murder.

https://x.com/i/status/1806508679929430268

John Brumble
John Brumble
June 28, 2024 1:46 pm

But, the real tragedy is that there isn’t a Trump-like candidate aged 40-60.

How? They need to be independently wealthy enough that they are able to play half a billion dollars in “fines” and their children need to be old enough that they are able to handle attacks as adults.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 28, 2024 1:48 pm

I only caught a few minutes of debate whilst in the car.
All I heard was Trump being asked his role in Jan 6. First thing he replied about was Biden and the border and a couple of other jabs at Biden. No attempt to answer question which was an obvious one. He should have been well prepared but wasn’t. In my view that is arrogant.
Am a Trump supporter but he needs to listen to advice and prep more based on what he responded in that question.

Hopefully he won overall and Dems now realising Biden is gone.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 1:48 pm

Quite so, Sancho at 1.39pm. Except that Fairfax’s rivers of gold disappeared 25 years ago when the internet stole them and Fairfax management was too stupid and incompetent to hang onto them while the opposition at News Corp invented online behemoths like realestate.com.au that cleaned up.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 1:52 pm

Someone has to make a supercut of just the facial expressions …

Monty pining for Joe, being the only Jap in the Jungle after everyone else has deserted and gone home.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1806496616842473563

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 28, 2024 1:53 pm

The left media are certainly disciplined.
The plan to kill off Joe in a national debate is in full swing. Newsom is waiting for the call and the scripts are already written.
If Trump had more political savvy he would call the game and show sympathy with poor old Joe being abused and manipulated by the swamp.

Tom
Tom
June 28, 2024 1:53 pm

But, the real tragedy is that there isn’t a Trump-like candidate aged 40-60.

Nonsense. Ron DeSantis, 45, will be the Republican nominee in 2028.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 28, 2024 1:54 pm

Disappointing, train wreck’: Biden’s people lash performanceAnne Barrowclough

Among Democrats who have expressed disappointment in Joe Biden’s performance is his own former communications director, who says he didn’t prove he had the energy to stamina to continue as president.
Kate Bedingfield, who left her post a year ago, said: “It was a really disappointing debate performance from Joe Biden. I don’t think there’s any other way to slice it. His biggest issue was to prove to the American people that he had the energy, the stamina — and he didn’t do that.”
Mr Biden’s performance has prompted some calls from Democrats for someone else to step into his role.

“Look I debated Joe 7 times in 2020. He’s a different guy in 2024,” said 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang on social media.

“Guys, the Dems should nominate someone else – before it’s too late,” adding the hashtag #swapJoeout.
Other Democrats described Mr Biden’s performance as a disaster.
“Trump is coming off as reasonable even if he’s lying 60 mph. Biden is unintelligible,” one Democrat told CNN.

Another politician told CNN that Mr Biden’s performance was “getting better but, train wreck.”

If Mr Biden exits the race Democrats will have to choose a new candidate at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in August.

In this case, the already-determined state delegates would be “uncommitted,” and could vote for anyone. These delegates would vote on a new nominee in what would likely be a messy and lengthy process.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
June 28, 2024 1:55 pm

Jared Mondschein on Sky:
Joe was able to demonstrate that he was across a lot of policy matters!
Mondschein indeed.
Or Moonshine with a touch of gaslight.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 28, 2024 1:56 pm

Mole – You were beaten by the usual suspects…

Trump Indicted For Murdering Elderly Man On CNN (27 Jun)

Bee is gooood!

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
June 28, 2024 2:00 pm

Bourne1879:
… Trump being asked his role in Jan 6 and didn’t answer!
Bourne says he’s a Trump supporter!
Yeah, right. Like I’m a Sky News Daytime supporter.
How about asking the role of Antifa and FBI and Pelosi etc in Jan 6th?
How about asking about the fake committe about Jan6?
Get outa here.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 28, 2024 2:04 pm

Elbowsleazy: Waaaaahhhh a person with very limited ability to actually inflict harm on me has been arrested…

Albanese tears up over alleged violent threat to his familycomment image?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=5e1ba75fa72eea4b851d7dbb67ae83c4
Sarah Basford Canales
Earlier this morning, Anthony Albanese teared up when asked about an alleged violent threat made against himself and his family by a Newcastle teenager charged with terrorist offences.
Speaking in Canberra at the Australian Institute of Sport, the prime minister was asked about a manifesto allegedly written by the 19-year-old, found after his arrest on Wednesday during an alleged attempted attack on the NSW Labor MP Tim Crakanthorp.
The 200-page document allegedly contained details of planned attacks against Crakanthorp and plans against Albanese, his family and other Labor MPs, which do not form part of the charges.
Albanese said:

[This] person should face the full force of the law. There’s no place for extremism in Australia. That documentation that was made is very concerning, including [alleged] threats not just to Labor MPs, but to others, to my family. It’s another reason why families should be off-limits from the media, frankly. It’s something that is of concern … I applaud the security agencies and police for their swift action that they undertook.

….

Meanwhile Australian Jews….

Figures
Figures
June 28, 2024 2:07 pm

Who are they going to replace Biden with? Newsom will be seen as a West Coast fruitloop and Whitmer will have to tell everybody about herself (which won’t work out so well for her). Biden is the least unattractive Democrat candidate – that’s why he was chosen in 2020.

Roger
Roger
June 28, 2024 2:12 pm

[This] person should face the full force of the law. There’s no place for extremism in Australia. 

Whatever happened to “mental illness”?

Anders
Anders
June 28, 2024 2:14 pm

Have any Australian politicians attended the church where the Bishop was stabbed? Any at all? *crickets*

  1. Thinking of you often, as always, Tinta. We should have a Cats meet up soon after our return xx

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