I loathe the smarmy leftist clennel.
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Depends if it is smoked, or not. Hickory -smoked camel is pretty good stuff, Roast it low and slow, basting…
Chris Kenny has been putting up some good columns for the Oz though. Stuck on a horse-drawn buggy as world…
Clennell is no loss.
If they don’t get them all, start razing Gaza to the ground.
There’s no occasion, I just stumbled into first spot
This will be known as the secret cultural thread.
Plus it will be known as the greed thread…I just take all three spots.
US General’s Secret Plan to Invade 7 Countries (youtube.com)
Your argument essentially suggests an absurd scenario, similar to the situation of a Jew in Nazi Germany, where legal protections for life are nonexistent or meaningless. In such a scenario, you’re right that free expression might seem irrelevant because the state or your neighbor could kill you with no sanction. However, let’s go along with this.
Even in extreme situations, history shows us that the right to free expression—whether formally recognized or not—has been the only thing available to challenge such extremes. How about resistance movements, underground groups and defiant acts that are seen in totalitarian regimes? What are these other than expressions of dissent even in the face of death?
The very fact these expressions were so risky shows just how important free expression is. In totalitarian societies risking one’s life underlines the importance of the right to dissent. This shows they know that without the ability to communicate or resist there is no hope to elevate any other rights including the absurdity of no right to life you came up with.
Lastly, your argument overlooks the most important factor of all. The right to free expression holds up other rights especially the right to hold onto you life. It creates the safeguards to protect life, liberty and security.
But then, as you say, you’re not a fan of rights – even positive rights.
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David’s wife is spot on. Ezra Levant is a great boss. He backs his staff 100%.
Would like to see them visit Oz for a holiday. No doubt Avi would invite them to stay at his home.
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Rebel News HQ:
Deja vu as prosecutor throws out Toronto police charges (again!) against David Menzies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT0TvecHsZY
Steve, the right bear arms in self defence trumps them all.
Postcard from Portugal
River cruisers are not allowed to move at night on Portugal’s Douro River, due to its being narrow, the many locks and the low height of many bridges. The Douro is a winding narrow river which meanders through terraced wine country.
Our ship is brand-new and we are the guinea-pigs (arrived the day before we sailed). Some things forgotten, funnily enough no rubbish bins in the cabins, and some problems with the plumbing. But everything wonderfully new, comfortable and lovely furniture. Like the fact that there is no bottled water available – we are drinking the local water from the river. Includes a tiny swimming pool. 150 clients on board, so we are more intimate with fellow shipmates and the staff. Mostly Australians, few Brits and one or two Americans/Canadians. Run by Travelmarvel which is owned by APT. Everything included – drinks with meals, excursions, tips etc.
Yesterday we went through the river’s biggest lock: a 37m rise in 20 minutes once we were inside. Nice engineering, although the image of being at the bottom of it with the lock gate in front of us holding back 37m of water was unnerving in its potential horror.
The sunset cruise around Porto was also memorable: five bridges, some inspired by engineers from the Victorian era. One designed by Eiffel. Lovely illuminated forts, cathedrals on hill-tops etc. Lisbon was nice enough in its central tourist areas: wide streets with trees in the centre, historic buildings and lots of statues and fountains. Portuguese are very proud of their country and don’t like to be considered Spanish.
Yesterday’s excursion was to the town of Lamego, about 30,000 people. The bus landed us at the top of the nearby small mountain at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, built in 1129. The church and view were terrific. We walked the 780 steps down to the town where they were gearing up for the annual festival in her name. Amazed how many were walking up! In olden times, people apparently climbed on their knees – presumably some sort of penance.
Sadly, just nearby was a firefighting helicopter crash into the river with four killed. The pilot was rescued by a tourist boat. Today is a National Day of Mourning, the president has just said.
The river is very windy, some 90-degree bends. Wine is incredibly cheap here – our guide says cheaper than buying water. We had dinner out at a local winery last night producing muscatel and port wine – very nice.
After scenic cruising this morning, we are out this afternoon to see/walk medieval town. Dinner is a Portuguese bbq on top deck and a local band coming onboard to entertain.
It’s a repeat.
Jean Michel Jarre – Oxygene Pt. 4 (Moreno J Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tg2skbOBJw
Johannes Leak.
So good. The intrustive bureaucratic state, so well depicted with the glum investigative team just following Albo’s orders.
Mark Knight.
Brett Lethbridge.
Michael Ramirez.
A.F. Branco.
Tom Stiglich.
Al Goodwyn.
Chip Bok.
Lisa Benson.
Me too.
I’m at the airport.
I did a late check out, probably should have asked for a 4 pm but didn’t want to go overboard.
Flight doesn’t go til ten pm.
I was lucky there was a local bus that stops at the airport so it was just a matter of dragging my bags to the stop at the shopping centre.
There is a big sign at the airport about ending fossil fuels.
Naturally everyone was reading it and cancelling their flights en masse.
I went to mass in Drogheda in the morning.
Started reading the bulletin, today’s gospel got tied in to climate changy so I did thinking instead of reading before mass, sermon went there as well.
I suppose you have to grin and bear it, it is Ireland.
Yesterday I went to Ardgillan castle, the driver promised to stop but forgot, fortunately I realised and wasn’t carried too far away.
You have to walk over a footbridge across the railway line to enter the demense, bridge built for the family that owned the property (and they part owned the railway line Belfast to Dublin which they could flag down at will back in the day) so they could still get to their private beach. It’s not a proper castle but grand enough with a large walled garden and conservatory with beautiful lawns (acres of them) behind and running down towards the Irish sea, it’s a bit out of Balbriggan on the way to Skerries, a blue day so it was quite perfect.
The line between sea and sky was hazy, and the view from the castle I doubt anyone could get sick of.
The original landowner was canny, sold his property in Sussex and, cashed up, bought up 21,000 acres from Cromwellian soldiers who’d had grants after that particular land grab.
Lived very well off rents until right to buy whittled away their holdings and they sold their property to the Irish government in 1982.
The house has a series of tunnels below, like Johnstown in Wexford servants were not to be seen unless strictly necessary.
Waiting for the bus to get there was sufficient time to hear the entire life story of a local lady.
Sorry for inaccuracy was sold to a third party before coming into government hands.
You could’ve checked out a tasteful demesne one county down.
I am envious, can just picture it all so well from your description.
The editing is brilliant!
Hold on tight.
Moreno J Mix Vol 02 – Moreno J Remixes (The Re-edited)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqBB4xntYlk
From the Oz
?Baseless claims of racism and virtue signalling won’t help Indigenous cause
Victorian barrister Lana Collaris was recently branded a racist because she chose not to do a welcome to country at a meeting of the Victorian Bar Council. Instead Collaris acknowledged all Australians.
Overuse of the welcome to country practice is a problem and deserves discussion. For those who disagree with Collaris, they are entitled to challenge her and state their case why they believe it is an appropriate ritual. But to call her racist for declining to do one is unfounded and absurd.
The kind of criticism Collaris has experienced is neither new nor rare. For as long as I can remember, too many people have been far too quick to scream racism against Aboriginal Australians where there is none. Many of this newspaper’s readers will recall the unprecedented backlash the late, great Bill Leak received for drawing a cartoon that drew attention to the neglect too many Aboriginal children face.
Claims of Australia being racist towards Indigenous Australians peaked during and after the voice referendum. Consider the words of ABC Indigenous affairs reporter Bridget Brennan, as recently quoted in The Australian: “When there is so much racism embedded in this country … (during the voice) it was really horrible as an Aboriginal person … We know what exists in Australian society, we see it every day.”
I challenge the claim that we are a racist country against Indigenous people, mostly on the basis that any evidence provided to support the claim is weak or absent. Claims by themselves, however frequent, are simply assertions, not evidence. If Brennan wants to describe exactly what it is she sees each day, I’m perfectly willing to listen. So why are so many Australians so keen to claim we are a racist nation against Indigenous Australians?
I propose a couple of reasons. First, as I wrote in this paper recently when addressing Laura Tingle’s claim that we are racist country, if we hear a message often enough, we start to believe it. Psychologists have a term for this – illusory truth. For as long as I can remember, the media, leaders, academics and lay people have proudly shouted the message that Indigenous Australians are endlessly victims of racism.
However, 60 per cent of voting Australians did not say no to Indigenous Australians; they said no to a significant proposal that lacked clarity in how it would help Indigenous Australians.
Certainly, there are a small minority of Australians who are racist against Indigenous Australians, but their prevalence is not sufficient to condemn Australia as a racist country.
Using an analogy to elaborate on this, consider that there are many Indigenous Australians who are financially comfortable. It would be foolish to conclude on this basis that Indigenous Australians are financially well off – a few are, but far too many are not.
A second and often overlooked reason claims of racism against Indigenous Australians prevail is that it provides some certainty, when trying to understand the complex reasons for why Indigenous Australians disproportionately suffer poorer health and wellbeing. Rather than addressing factors such as education, employment and remoteness, stating “systemic racism is the problem” provides a sense of certainty and is the quick and easy solution.
This has obvious appeal. Schools can teach their students to apologise for colonisation, the corporates can roll out their cultural awareness programs, and governments can continue with their anti-racism campaigns. Such “well-intentioned” gestures are virtue-signalling at best. In the end, they harm race relations and impact most adversely on Indigenous Australians.
The aforementioned virtue-signallers represent a minority of Australians. Most Australians know that we as a nation are hardworking allies with much good will towards our Indigenous brothers and sisters. However, the constant claims that Indigenous Australians are the victims of a racist country must test the patience and good will of the average Aussie.
But I do not see the torrent of claims of racism against Indigenous Australians abating anytime soon, particularly given the renewed focus on a Makarrata commission that will oversee “truth-telling”. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but I strongly suspect this truth-telling will conclude that racism is the big culprit holding Indigenous Australians back. Let’s start with this truth: racism is not the big culprit holding Indigenous people back today.
We all agree that when racism against Indigenous Australians rears its head, we all have a responsibility to stamp it. But we should be just as diligent in stamping out false claims of racism, otherwise we all suffer.
Anthony Dillon is an Indigenous commentator, and an honorary fellow at the Institute for Positive Psychology and Education at the Australian Catholic University in Sydney.
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I have seen, heard and talked to Jacinta Price twice over the years.
Money well spent.
I would love to go see, hear and have a yarn with Anthony Dillion.
Ps: Thank you Pete for posting that piece.
One of the obvious “racism” claims never seems to get a run .. Most normal/ordinary folk resent the fact that claiming 251, true or false, is an “earner” via CentreLink & gummint (state & fed)….
No one but no one in Oz should be entitled to something someone else doesn’t get just for claiming to be “different” ……..
What’s worse is this pedestal that Aboriginals are placed on with no proof of their ability to deserve or even keep this exalted position. In fact, when Truth rears its ugly head many will be found wanting, and will then fail.
Do the people who place aboriginals on these plinths, have any idea what will happen to the ones who fail to live up to the expectations heaped on them?
Or don’t they matter?
Looks like a change in the wind.
AfD is winning the election In two states? in Germany, baby steps but they are coming.
definite win in Thuringia & very close in Saxony ……
The continued bleating of Left wing parties about the Far Right are just indicators of how far left they are.
“Far Right” is gaining the same relevance as “Racist” – none.
In the sixties it was “far out.”
Regards to the picture on the new OF, there is a saying, it’s easy to invade Russia, getting out is the hard part.
Like voting in Communism…
Thank you Peter Gregg for posting the article by Anthony Dillon. Anthony is such a gentle beautiful person and his interview with John Anderson is testament to his commitment to making better the lives of Aboriginal Australian by involving ALL Australians to help in doing so, NOT dividing us but UNITING us in the effort.
Steve trickler
September 2, 2024 4:43 am
The editing is brilliant!
Hold on tight.
Moreno J Mix Vol 02 – Moreno J Remixes (The Re-edited)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqBB4xntYlk
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I’ll post this agian on the next OT.
Again…
There was a young man from Japan
Who wrote poems that would not scan
When asked why this was
He said “It’s because
I always try to make the last line as long as I possibly can.”
I am not particularly sentimental but listening to Ode to joy is moving even if it’s by the flashmob.
Actually specially so, while it’s all a set up the audience is mostly unaware.
Alle Menschen werden Brüder
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
If only.
Couple of links if I may
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Music truly has the power to bring forth tears. And the 9th does it for me.
I would love to go see, hear and have a yarn with Anthony Dillon.
Over the years, at many CPAC, IPA and CIS functions, I’ve had the great privilege of meeting and talking with Anthony Dillon. He is a delightful and thoughtful man.
Anthony was a great friend to the late Bill Leak and is close to Bill’s son, the genius Johannes. Anthony is the son of Queensland’s first indigenous police officer. Do you remember the cartoon Bill did in 2016 about feral indigenous boys running amok? Do you remember the subsequent fall out from that cartoon, when Bill was lynched at the hands of oh so tolerant left it’s media stormtroopers, and scum such as as Fatso Soupman and Gillian Triggs called for Leak to be silenced?
The morning that cartoon was published in 2016, both Anthony and his father rang Bill to tell him how fantastic the cartoon was, how in one cartoon Bill had nailed the issues around male indigenous dysfunction. But the howls of the left and its stormtroopers, the howls for Bill to be silenced and cancelled all had a detrimental effect on Bill’s health and by March the following year…Bill was dead.
Thanks for that info Cassie.
Ditto
From the Oz.
According to Charlmers, the RBA is killing the economy.
Reserve Bank ‘smashing the economy’ via rate hikes, Jim Chalmers declaresJack Quail
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Joe Kelly
Jim Chalmers has declared the Reserve Bank is “smashing the economy” with its aggressive run of rate hikes in comments that shift blame on to the central bank governor, Michele Bullock, ahead of data expected to show growth slowing to a crawl.
With increased government spending holding up an economy saddled with anaemic household consumption, faltering business investment and a decline in home building, GDP figures to be released on Wednesday are expected to show the Australian economy expanded by a meagre 0.2 per cent in the June quarter.
This would slash annual economic growth from 1.1 per cent in March to just 0.9 per cent for the last financial year – the weakest annual GDP result since the end of the early 1990s recession outside of the coronavirus pandemic.
GDP per capita is also tipped to slump, marking the sixth consecutive quarter where an increase in the population has outstripped economic growth.
“With all this global uncertainty on top of the impact of rate rises, which are smashing the economy, it would be no surprise at all if the national accounts on Wednesday show growth is soft and subdued,” the Treasurer said. “We anticipated a soft economy at budget time and that’s what most economists now expect to see in these new numbers for the June quarter.”
Since May 2022, the RBA has embarked on its most aggressive tightening cycle since the 1980s, increasing the cash rate 13 times from a record low of 0.1 per cent to its current level of 4.35 per cent as it works to reduce inflation – currently at 3.5 per cent – back to its 2 to 3 per cent target band.
NAB chief economist Alan Oster told The Australian that there was “a serious chance that [GDP growth] could be negative”. Pencilling in an increase of just 0.1 per cent, he said there was “no momentum in the economy and it’s not getting any better”.
With the RBA’s own staff forecasts also tipping a GDP reading in line with consensus forecasts, analysts anticipate Wednesday’s figures are unlikely to spur the RBA to push ahead with rate cuts before the end of the year.
KPMG chief economist Brendan Rynne said he didn’t think there would be “anything in this data that’s going to cause a shock to the Reserve Bank”. “We’ve still got inflation that’s too high and when you look at our real interest rate, it is still relatively more accommodative than what you’re seeing in other jurisdictions, like the United States,” he said.
Investors are betting that the US Federal Reserve will lower its key policy rate in just over two weeks and join central banks in Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland and the eurozone. However, the RBA is expected to lag its global peers in pushing ahead with rate reductions, with most economists not expecting cuts until 2025.
Opposition Treasury spokesman Angus Taylor said Labor’s “economic mismanagement had left Australia at the back of the pack”. “We are the only G10 nation where core inflation is the same as it was in January,” he said.
Across the quarter, household spending is tipped to rise only slightly, with the bulk of the increase attributed to essential purchases. Even as shoppers enjoyed hefty discounts during sales in May and June, retail trade volumes slumped by 0.3 per cent last quarter, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said on Thursday.
Westpac senior economist Pat Bustamante said consumer spending had “broadly flatlined since the December quarter 2022 due to the squeeze on household budgets from bracket creep, higher interest rates and elevated, albeit moderating, inflation.”
Residential construction work completed fell across the quarter as the sector faces sustained pressures from elevated interest rates, alongside ongoing labour and material shortages, with the decline expected to weigh on the June quarter GDP figures.
Also set to drag on the GDP result is a reduction in investment in machinery and equipment by businesses, which slipped 0.5 per cent over the quarter, the ABS reported. Oxford Economics’ Sean Langcake said the “relatively weak” figures indicated that the economy may have contracted in the three months to June.
“Coupled with weakness in retail spending … there is a material chance GDP growth was negative in the quarter,” he said.
Economists will fine tune their forecasts ahead of the national accounts figures on Wednesday with separate ABS data released earlier in the week covering business’ profits and inventories, government expenditure, and Australia’s trade account.
As activity in the private sector remains weak, public spending is expected to play a significant role in driving overall economic growth. After a string of big spending state and federal budgets prompted concerns among economists, Ms Bullock has asserted that public demand is “not the main game” in the central bank’s fight against inflation, a claim that Dr Chalmers has repeated on multiple occasions.
In further evidence of the challenging conditions facing segments of the private sector, the Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman, Bruce Billson, will on Monday reveal a 50 per cent rise in help requests from businesses worried about meeting their financial commitments or dealing with insolvent debtors.
Mr Billson said that payment disputes were the greatest area of concern for small businesses and accounted for 42 per cent of total assistance cases in 2023-24 – up from 36 per cent in the year before.
“The construction industry had the highest number of payment disputes,” he said after the sector was rocked by more than 3800 insolvency appointments last financial year.
Releasing the annual summary of assistance provided to small businesses by the Ombudsman, Mr Billson said there were a total of 6254 requests for assistance in 2023-24, a ten per cent increase on the previous year.
The number of requests for help with insolvency had increased by 50 per cent. “Over the past year, small and family business owners have become increasingly worried about being paid as they face challenging business conditions,” he said. “Many small businesses are drawing on their cash buffers to keep their business afloat. Recent surveys have found nearly one-in-four have no cash reserves while 18 per cent have less than a month’s cash at hand to fulfil their obligations.”
Mr Billson said new figures from the ATO showed that 46 per cent of small businesses did not make a profit in the most recent year of available accounts and three quarters of self-employed business owners were earning less than the average weekly wage.
When the Coalition is in power, the Liars favour a “strong, independent umpire”. When the Liars are in power, they prefer a subservient lackey.
Dim Jim is true to form.
This was Leak’s cartoon following the fallout. I’ve kept both as a reminder.
Trouble was they thought Bill was one of “them”. Until he wasn’t. Reminds me of a certain US Senator.
And hell hath no fury like a Lefty scorned.
Many such cases.
@MrAndyNgo
Welcome to Islamic England:
A large Islamic rally is held through central London on Sept. 1.
They were warned, and so were we.
I luvs my life .. LOL! .. Op anti-constipation meds kicked in … middle of the night .. LOL!
NBC News’ Kristen Welker falsely claims Kamala met with Abbey Gate Gold Star families during dignified transfer
Was that the “dignified transfer” where he was checking his watch while the coffins were being carried past?
Good morning from Tartaria.
The humidity has started kicking in, about three weeks early. The Build-Up prior to the Wet this year will be absolutely putrid.
@MTGrepp
BREAKING: New leaks are increasingly indicating that Kamala Harris will cancel the ABC Debate
Kamala Harris truly is worried to debate Donald Trump without cheat sheets and unmuted mics
@austerrewyatt1
There once was a lawyer named Rex
with miniscule organs of sex.
Arraigned for exposure,
he plead, with composure
“de minimis non curat lex”.
The law is not concerned with minor matters…
He blames “junk” food, but have a look at the dates.
Cancer expert reveals how every new patient he sees is UNDER 45 – as he tells what they all have in common
I must have missed the part where he describes the Vaccination rate in his statistics.
What else changed dramatically in 2020?
From Robert Zimmerman at http://www.behindtheblack.com
A lesson in how government can screw up everything.
Another crime to lay at the feet of JFK, his brothers and the Democrats.
I have written about the negative effects of the 1962 satellite act elsewhere. Prior to its passage, ATT had already privately financed the building of several Telstar satellites and paid for their launch, in order to demonstrate its plans to build a constellation of satellites (in the mid-1960s!) linked to ground stations that would replace the undersea communications cables that were very expensive, difficult to maintain, and very limited in capability. Ma Bell figured it could quickly and for much less money replace those cables with these satellites, and proved it with the first two Telstar launches.
Congress and Kennedy then stepped in and took control, blocking ATT’s effort. The new law mandated that all communications satellites had to built and launched by the quasi-private company Comsat, which was partly run by the feds. Had these government control freaks not interfered, ATT would have been using private money to launch a large satellite constellation in the early 1960s, thus providing lots of business for the rocket companies that were building rockets for NASA.
The law also blocked U.S. television and cable companies from launching their own satellites, which is why the first direct broadcast satellites were launched by Japan, for Japanese customers. It wasn’t until Nixon in the early 1970s that the law was changed, allowing American companies to finally launch their own satellites. However by that time the shuttle was about to go into operation, and NASA and the feds then mandated that all commercial launches had to be launched on it, thus destroying the already weakened American rocket industry of that time.
Had the government left people free to follow their own dreams, we would have seen today’s renaissance in American rocketry happen in the 1960s.
Here’s one of his commenters with further to say:
One of the notable points of the 1962 restriction on private comsats is that France was having real problems with the idea of not controlling what their population heard on TV. They were already screwing around over NATO, and this was yet another irritant. Fortunately, for the the dirigisme State, they had contacts with the WH, through the Bouvier family (Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy) that made their objections to non-State broadcasting from orbit known.
Meanwhile, the GEO comsat problem with lack of power could be solved by using vastly larger ground antennas, that the French State could license, or pull the license for, at their pleasure. Thus was INTELSAT substituted for the Telstar series and its successors. The Kennedy mafia could thus get around constitutional objections by portraying this as a purely foreign affairs matter, while ignoring those money-grubbing businessmen at AT&T.
It was a successful end-run around the US Constitution, that placed well-connected members of the Demcratic Party’s coalition in charge of foreign news flows, and made sure the industry knew just who was in charge, if they wanted to make money.
His father Col’s story is remarkable in itself.
He was a 20 year veteran of QLD police whose evidence was crucial to the success of the Fitzgerald Inquiry.
He’s written a memoir called Code of Silence.
Interviewed here in 2016.
Cassie of Sydney
September 2, 2024 7:14 am
calli
September 2, 2024 7:31 am
Trouble was they thought Bill was one of “them”. Until he wasn’t.
I went to Johannes Leak and Fred Pawle’s turnout at Tattersall’s in Brisbane a couple of months ago.
Having a yarn with Johannes the subject of the uproar about his Dad’s cartoon came up. His Dad was a bit of a lefty early on.
‘Mum doesn’t always see eye to eye with my cartoons either, but we still talk and get on with life.’
And Johannes talked about a leftard uproar over a cartoon he did a few years ago about Biden picking Harris as the Vice President.
He said he didn’t notice anything until about two to three days after his cartoon was published. He didn’t apologise, stuck to his guns and a few days after that, the leftard basement dwellers lost interest and moved on the something else.
Ps: I have Bill’s Gaystapo cartoon saved.
Somewhere.
It looks like they murdered these poor souls just as their rescuers were coming for them.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/autopsy-finds-6-hostages-shot-multiple-times-at-close-range-in-last-48-72-hours/
I just don’t know what to say, except that I rely on justice being meted out to the foul killers.
How we can be importing unvetted “tourists” from this despicable place is beyond me.
To add insult to injury these “tourists” will be given spending money by the Red Cross from a program funded by the Australian taxpayer.
It makes my blood boil, to use one of my wife’s favourite expressions.
They have the need, the need for a speed(y) increase in the voteherd.
They will be brought in for the very same purpose posed here in the connected picture.
They are our replacements.
The Fall of England: the Destruction of the First Nation State by David Starkey
The same thing if happening in Canada.
‘Ive never seen freedom DIE so quickly as it has in the UK under Keir Starmer’ | Neil Oliver
Only 24% of voters can name a single thing the Albanese government has done that has made their lives better.
Patricia Karvelas thinks the problem is that Elbo & Dim can’t get clear air.
ABC News
Some would say that’s a self-inflicted problem.
Saw above wallet wizard is flailing around trying to blame the RBA for the inflation problems both caused by him and the states.
Albo has the reverse Midas touch, everything he touches turns to excrement.
How long before the rats start jumping.
Albo’s recent backing of Plibbers’ absurd ruling on the gold mine suggests to me they’re all going to hang together.
Shorten is the turncoat type, watch him for signs of equivocation.
PK sticks to Their ABC like chewing gum to a shoe on a hot day.
Hate him with an passion, but screwing up the voice made my life better.
Slim pickings, though.
Sarah Hoyt has posted an article by Tom Kratman:
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2024/08/30/lines-of-departure-2-2-the-choice-isnt-trump-or-harris-by-tom-kratman/
The New York Times And Wikipedia EXPOSED Like Never Before… | The Winston Marshall Show
WATCH: Tim Walz Flees When Asked for ‘Reaction’ to Murder of 6 Hostages
Just like the “beverage” he holds. Bland, fake, full of fat and useless.
The Gurner and the Cackler. The perfect villains for DC Comics.
Lying lefty lies lyingly.
Plibersek’s Blayney ruling exposes hypocrisy of our business leaders (Paywallian)
by Lyndon Schneiders
It’s real outrage son. So I looked him up, as you do. He’s a boss of The Wilderness Society. I think we can all guess who is really behind the Blayney gold mine fiasco: not the indigenous lobby.
BoN, the Paywallian’s attribution is slightly different to yours:
I imagine the ACBF is a Wilderness Society spin-off in the Australian Marxist activists’ Economy-Wrecking Industrial Complex.
He’s “a” boss of The Wilderness Society. He was boss but no longer, that’s what came up when I searched. The search results didn’t say what he’s doing now, and he doesn’t have a wiki.
I don’t have a subscription so I didn’t see the attribution.
Two organisation titles gives the chance for two taxpayer grants each year, rather than “only” one
Ta Bruce so no credibility at all.
I was about to ask for the full article as I can’t get past the paywall but won’t bother now.
Interest spurred by Rogers post Friday I in my spare time over the weekend went down the rabbit hole of looking up Nyree Reynolds. Seems more than a casual link to the greens and some tax hooverer Delanie Sky* (Failed greens candidate at state & fed level) yet no journo is even bothering to dig there. Wonder how many other organisations they have set up with a token fauxboriginal to frustrate mine lease applications?
*Quick google search has these 2 scrubbed from the results. Hmmm maybe some journalists are digging perhaps? Delanie has now moved to Tasmania and incidentally for someone’s who has had mainly Government work she’s held an ABN since 2011.
Agitprop. Not worth a subscription, unless you want to study media decline.
Don’t they have pamphlet machines for this sort of stuff?
Are t the Wilderness Society mUnty’s lot? Bunch of swampies.
At least his contribution is from his own money, unlike the buckets of Munni they get from the taxpayer’s unwilling pockets.
Blockbuster defamation feud between Brittany Higgins, Senator Linda Reynolds draws to close in WA Supreme Court
Comment awaiting approval.
Newspoll is out.
Anthony Albanese’s approval rating plunges by five percentage points to level him with Peter Dutton in latest Newspoll (Sky News, 2 Sep)
“Meh”, said the voters.
Going by memory, that means Labor is a fraction down on its May 22 p. v. result while the Coalition has picked up almost 3%.
Dutton now needs to hammer cost of living and his proposed solutions.
I was hoping for HOP but we take what we can.
Fascist Victoria gets even more fascist.
Parks officials use spy cameras to track climbers, walkers (Paywallian)
If you walk the trails make sure you wear your Guy Fawkes mask. I wonder what the Rainbow Serpent and Bula think of having white people’s cameras watching them 24/7?
I can’t think of any, but I could quickly rustle up a long list of “things” these imbeciles have inflicted on us that have made our lives infinitely worse.
Which of course, the gliberals will do absolutely nothing about rectifying, should they be fortunate enough to blunder back into government next feral erection.
I’m still waiting for the ultimate four way identity politics cage match to manifest itself. Muslim, tranny, aborigine and environmentalist go in, only one can come out. That sort of thing.
I’m not giving you a scenario at all. I’m illustrating that the right to life is more foundational then free speech.
Let’s put life aside in this scenario, could you argue that speech is more important than association? No, what will be far more important for these groups is the ability to organize themselves into groups, firstly, and then secondly, speech.
Not at all. In a situation in which none of these rights are protected, people will organize to preserve their most basic rights first. They will want their life and property to receive the protection of the law, firstly, because they are the most essential rights, and then move on to the less basic rights like assembly and speech.
I don’t overlook this at all. I argued specifically that protection of life (and property) come before free expression because they are foundational.
Yes, because rights are for goods, not ends themselves, and that has been lost sight of by an inordinate focus on rights.
LOL!
‘Stench worse than a dingo’s arse’: Albo’s absurd gold mine stance (Tele, paywalled)
The ALP has moved on from a drover’s dog to a dingo’s arse.
It’s the Boeing disease – they’ve sacked the engineers and replaced them with accountants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBcKSjXzOig
It’s the move that’s destroying the reputation and therefore the sales volumes of US industry. Wait until Toyota and Kubota start making agricultural machinery en masse. They’ll set up shop in the US and wipe John Deere from the board.
Yeah John Deere went woke, and there’s been a lot of Bud Light-like reaction to that. They’re now backing away from the precipice slowly, slowly.
Lowe’s followed Tractor Supply, Harley Davidson and John Deere in backing off DEI initiatives (28 Aug)
On Woeing the Starliner capsule is due to return to Earth unmanned this week. It’ll be interesting to see if it makes it.
i had a bit of a standup argument with the usual commentators here a year or so ago about John Deere and their insistence on being able to do the work on their vehicles and machinery.
What I was trying to get across, despite the continued bullshit and reframing efforts was the software ownership that prevents the owner of the machinery making their own repairs even though it could be done in a day on the farm, instead of JDs workshops 500Km away, next month sometime – if the parts were available.
The link details the farmers frustration at what is really just a money grabbing effort by the JD Corporation.
JD deserve everything the market is going to dump on them.
There’s likely a more fundamental disagreement here, without the resolution of which the question of the ordering of rights won’t be resolved, which is why I saw no value in pursuing the discussion last night.
Not to mention that I’ve long since ceased being a night owl.
This is Australia in the twenty first century – up there with the “Rainbow Serpent”
The application was made on behalf of the corporation by one of its directors, Nyree Reynolds. At some point in Reynolds’ life her family identified an ancestor born two centuries ago they believed to be Wiradjuri. How they came to this belief isn’t clear and the ancestor isn’t identified in reported interviews. Perhaps the ancestor told Reynolds directly. In a video published on Plibersek’s Instagram page, Reynolds said she was asked to apply for the heritage order and agreed because she felt the ancestors calling “help us” every time she drove past the site. Are ministerial decisions in modern Australia now based on claimed messages from deceased people?
In any event, Ah-See, who last week spoke at The Daily Telegraph’s Bush Summit, has said: “We have spoken to the elder who holds the story and he says that area is not sacred … We have done a cultural audit and there were never song lines, it was never an initiation site. This has put Aboriginal culture back 50 years.”
Ten years ago, when she was protesting a goat abattoir, it was Gamilaroy.
A put up.job by a repulsive old woman
That’s an inconvenient truth..
Reynolds or the Greens are already messing with google searches. On Sat I googled Nyree Reynolds and Mahreen Farouqi and found another player one Delanie Sky failed greens candidate round Bathurst. Google Delanie and Nyree and I got a plethora of info on Delanie.
Unsure what Delanie actually does except being a government tax hooverer from advocacy to census worker and Blayney resident but she holds an ABN, has since 2011. Question I have is Delanie on the board as well of this Abo Corp.
FF to this morning Google Nyree Reynolds and Delanie Sky and it is down to 2 pages and no mention of Delanie. If Delanie is disappearing herself I’m reckoning there some fire behind the smoke and Nyree is the frontwoman. Now if we only had someone in the MSM that would dig further.
Delanie is now in Tasmania, NW Tas near Beconsfield hmmm. Is she about to orchestrate the same stunt there with a mine? Watch this space.
Delanie Sky. Apparently she has a teenage daughter who has a history of self harming, anorexia and lives with depression and anxiety.
No fcuking wonder!
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha – Are ministerial decisions in modern Australia now based on claimed messages from deceased people?
You know better than that Zulu. Of course they are.
I shall set up a stand on the outskirts of Canberra selling Ouija boards.
Make a friggin’ fortune, I will.
My Sunday night call with my UK based daughter was disappointing once again.
My wheedling at her to sell-up and return to Oz achieves nothing.
She is clear sighted about what is happening, but claims that the ‘English’ will win out. Distressing. She is very much under the influence of her ‘Mrs Miniver’ caricature middle class in-laws.
I am unforgivably undermining her by working on her young son. He is a surfing fanatic so I swamp him with lies about Oz surfing.
? ? Well done
My last trip “home” (County Durham), 2016, was enuf for me .. The England I grew up in & luvved was gone .. Place looked the same tho older & neglected and for an area that was 99% “white” 1 in 3 are now sub-continental …. Unemployment thru the roof (has been since Thatcher & the mine closures) so why dump “migrants” in an area with no future ….?
The death of the 6 Israeli hostages is tragic to say the least.
I heard on the radio that 800,000 workers will today protest against Netanyahu and Government over not doing more to secure the release of remaining hostages. Plus the relatives adding to the pressure.
I don’t follow Israeli politics too closely but am aware many Israelis and overseas Jews are not great Netanyahu fans.
However if you were going to unfortunately be taken hostage by terrorists I would want it to be the IDF looking for and doing the rescuing.
As for Netanyahu my only conclusion is that he is in one of the most difficult positions a national leader could be. He has to balance the lives of the hostages against the greater national interest of ending Hamas.
By having such large protests aren’t the protests signalling to Hamas that killing some more might help their cause even more ?
Either way i hope Israel secures the release of more hostages whilst continuing to hunt down, for decades if necessary, those responsible.
Yes but the protesters are no doubt all leftists and therefore evil and stupid.
Winston, the corporates are actually well behind the Administrative State in removing experts and replacing them with ‘generalists’.
You may recall how during the 80’s specialist professionals and centers of knowledge were replaced by University of Canberra arts and economics ‘graduates’.
They crowed endlessly about this brilliant reform. The introduction of flexible thinking into the hidebound realm of technical departments and organisations. NBN was an inevitable outcome.
The first thing that they did was to introduce flexitime.
I recall speaking to a lifelong chalkie who was glancingly involved in the Commonwealth takeover of education. “Experienced educators need not apply”!
Flextime was started in the 1970s under Gough the Witless
The Blaney sabotage is getting even more ridiculous. Claimed messages from deceased persons? Sounds like schitzophrenia.
Animism – anything goes. Might even be pseudo-animism you suspect, unless you’re the relevant Minister.
As this fraudulently based economic sabotage for political reasons is slowly clarified, the reason given for banning the dam has moved from –
“ Sacred like Gallipoli, frontier wars”
to “All waters are sacred” to
”Dead ancestors calling out”.
The Green/Wilderness Society links are getting clearer- the Proponent’s links to aboriginal heritage and the truth are now vanishingly small.
Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.
A street performer blew bubbles in a park. Officials cited him for littering. (31 Aug)
Littering in bubble form? I’m going to have to listen to Arlo Guthrie’s Alice’s Restaurant again. Oh, and an apology to Mr Shakespeare.
Tyranny. Pure and simple.
And they do it because they’ve passed laws enabling tyranny.
Thanks to DB on the last thread for actually giving some pushback on my “rights” contention.
Dover, last night:
I think your first instinct to shun rights talk is the correct one, but you have made the case for rights, which no one else has bothered to do, (while just taking for granted like most that rights are a good) so I’ll tackle that.
Let’s take a specific right, the ”right to free speech”.
A libertarian will hear that right spoken of and conclude that it means no government can make laws that impede on a citizens right to free speech. Fair enough, I suppose, maybe.
A leftist will hear of that right, and conclude they have the right to fill every available space, private and public with their inane stupidity and perversions, and that anyone impeding them in doing so should be incarcerated or murdered. In other words, they will weaponise that right to disrupt and confound anyone going about their ordinary business.
A conservative will hear of a “right to free speech” and conclude that it’s purpose is in order for everyone within society to be able to politely and without fear of violence have their say, conduct civil conversations, exchange ideas etc.
A Christian will hear the “right to free speech” and conclude that it is some inherent value within humans given by God that everyone should have the ability to express themselves, as part of the dignity of man.
So we come across problem number one with rights talk. No one agrees precisely what they are, what they are for or upon what they are based or precisely where they reside.
Let’s take the death penalty.
A rights fanatic from the libertarian side might say that you can’t execute a mass murderer, because you don’t want to give the state that power.
Meanwhile a leftist rights fanatic might say that you can’t execute a mass murderer because to do so will take away that persons rights to free speech, a free education, free health care and free accommodation.
A conservative rights fanatic will say you can’t execute a mass murderer because there is a precautionary, conservative principal about the dangers of applying such a final and irreversible penalty to people who may in some cases be innocent.
A Christian rights fanatic will claim that God still loves the criminal and his or her life remains uniquely valuable, and that we have no right to usurp God’s judgement.
Whereas Arky says “F*ck that murderer, you “rights” nuts are as annoying as hell, this monster needs to be dead, and any fool can see that”.
Now libertarians, leftists, conservatives and Christians can’t all be simultaneously wrong about the same thing all at once, unless there is some thing that has waylaid all of them. And in that case we can clearly see that the thing that has put them wrong is the insistence in the existence and importance of rights, against the correct and good exercise of duty, love and justice.
No, properly understood and exercised, rights and duties aren’t contradictory.
Then do the work and explain it.
How does the emphasis on “rights” lead to good outcomes as opposed to the emphasis on “duty”.
You can expound upon everyone’s rights all day long, the problem is in doing so you completely avoid the mechanisms required to act.
Whereas in extolling duty you by necessity identify those who must act.
And that’s why we have jury trials.
The ALP has moved on from a drover’s dog to a dingo’s arse.
Really Bruce, this is a family site; language! You don’t see me calling the filth and liars a pack of arseholes.
Take it up with Warren Mundine… 😀
Some may recall the Brisbane hot coffee thrown over the baby case from several days ago.
The media have had a pretty good picture of the suspect’s face for days. Definitely not Caucasian or Middle eastern in appearance. Looks Chinese. However not seen any articles that actually say that.
I heard a local from the area on the radio. He did not know him but named three places in the area where thinks seen him.
The radio station was also suggesting State Government announce a reward leading to arrest. I agree even if only say $10,000.
In view of the photo I am finding it hard to understand why not been caught yet.
Don’t all Chinese look alike .. LOL!
Protected by his tribalist community?
It does seem to be a fair enough question.
So what other crimes are being hidden by every tribal community?
RINO Sellout Mitch McConnell Moves to Torpedo Election Integrity Efforts by Blocking SAVE Act In Upcoming Spending Bill – And Open Door to Illegals Voting in US Elections
Dutton now needs to hammer cost of living and his proposed solutions.
Build time machine.
Travel back to January 1 2020
Shoot Frydchickenburger
The Lieborals as better economic managers took a bit of a hit there.
@catturd2
When parody becomes reality.
We aren’t the only idiots:
https://mishtalk.com/economics/d-c-court-cancels-three-approved-lng-projects-over-environmental-justice/
These projects are in the same region as Starbase and the same suspects are trying to stop that.
And until genuine aborigines are willing to take on and repudiate publicly the fakes, this setback will continue.
And if they are not willing to defend their “culture” from frauds, their time in the sun will come to an end.
“genuine aborigines”
Only those with a “poofteenth” abo blood need apply
Excellent point.
The reluctance of the Land Council to publicly take down the imposters tells me that protecting the myth is paramount.
“I have been criminalised by the biggest criminals of all – those who sit in our parliament”.
@CoviLeaks
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Indeed.
@robinmonotti
Let’s imagine you are about to be sent to an island with a group of a dozen others.
You get to choose between two groups.
The first group you interview and the entire discussion is about what everyone’s rights will be during the time on the island. Various members stand up and give long expositions on what they expect their rights to be and how others should conduct themselves towards them.
The other group the entire discussion is about duties. One member after another stands up and asks to be given responsibility for various duties.
Which group do you pick?
Depends on my mood.
If up for a challenge, the first, so I can reeducate them.
😀
Otoh, I can see the second group devolving into a loveless works righteousness.
Arky, you complain about the abuse of rights, and rightly so, but there’s an old Latin maxim that translates as “the abuse of a thing does not cancel its proper use” which is useful as a rule.
For example, the abuse of pain killing drugs by hedonists does not mean their use on medicine is no longer valid.
Similarly, those who twist and invent rights to serve their own interests apart from any reference to the good that rights serve to uphold do not make the notion of rights redundant.
Not quite, I said that rights are about/for goods without which human life cannot flourish. Life, shelter, clothing, and the like are those goods. We want those goods preserved as a rule so we enacted laws against murder, theft, and the like which are just laws about their preservation/ protection. Rights are an abstraction of these laws that in time has eclipsed from view the goods themselves. My argument that returning to a more concrete discussion of this would be preferable and would resolve purported ‘conflicts of rights’.
So you point at “the good”.
Lets assume:
People, governments and institutions have the capacity to identify “the good” or a good.
Let us further assume they can work out the best way on balance to obtain it.
Say that one good is “leave other people the heck alone unless there is some very good reason to f*ck with them”.
You can write a law. “F*cking with people unnecessarily”, demerit points (2).
You can furthermore task police with responding to complaints from citizens about being unnecessarily f*cked with, and give courts and prosecutors their duties.
At no point in order to bring this good of “people not being unnecessarily f*cked with” into existence did you have to draw any attention to any “rights”.
So, specifically, what do these rights “do” or what do they task anyone to do with respect to bringing about any particular good, or avoiding any particular evil?
At best “rights” seem redundant as they posit some corresponding duty of another person, or worse they are used by institutions to sound righteous while doing essentially nothing, or at the most evil are used by ratbags to undermine society as a whole by setting people against each other by giving groups of people unrealistic views as to what they are entitled to at the expense of everyone else.
Mmm…hardly. Your duty to protect your daughter is grounded in her right to life, for example.
The duties we owe our neighbours – the second table of the 10 Commandments for example – likewise.
A father protects his daughter because that is what he wants to do. If he didn’t, he would relinquish custody, as some do.
At no time does a father have to contemplate a daughter’s rights in order to be compelled to do his utmost to protect her.
Your example actually illustrates what I say about rights.
They are at best a redundant way to express duties and powers. A father will do everything in his power to protect a daughter. Only in the case of a father no longer having it in his power to do so, will the daughter lose that protection.
This looks too much like a right to me. Sort of thing a libertarian would say. What you want is peace and good order, at home, in town, etc. That is not going to be the same thing in both places but it should be sufficient in both to be conducive to human flourishing. Quieter at home than in town, but you are still able to undertake work, maintenance, etc. within reasonable limits.
it only looks that way to you because that’s the way it is presented.
A “right to life” is just the negative and toothless way to present “don’t commit murder”
Thank you Indolent for the excellent link you posted at 10:58. Highly recommended.
I expect much of the electorate will see attacking the RBA as a positive for Labor on the basis that the RBA is keeping rates high.
Much of the electorate will have no idea of the role of the federal and state governments in in keeping the economy over stimulated.
Much of the electorate, like Victotoriastan, deserves Albo and his fellow Liars on the levers. As has been said, elections have consequences.
This is true and mirrors what I said about rights. We have a duty to preserve our life. We owe a duty to ourselves and those around us to not take any action that would deliberately, recklessly, or negligently endanger our/their life or property. Rights and duties are just different faces of the same coin.
Yes, that’s an illustration I was going to use.
Then given that the outcome can be the same, and that the concept of “rights” has been so abused by the left, why not abandon the entire concept?
If the same good can be accomplished by appealing to duty, and rights have been confused with entitlement, isn’t it better to emphasise duty, not rights?
Or as Aristotle put it, justice consists in giving every man (and woman, we might now say) his due.
You’re leading to the scenario I posted.
Life is certainly essential (obviously), but free expression is how rights are articulated and defended as well as preserved. If you cannot express ideas and challenge authority, other rights are easily taken away. It’s free expression that allows people to advocate for the right to life, property, religion, etc.
Free expression, the right of dissent, and freedom of association are all linked, and one could argue they are gifts in one box. Seriously though, how can you have freedom of association in the context we’re discussing (not a young mother’s group) and not have freedom of expression? Freedom of expression is an integral part of freedom of association.
Please explain how, if there is a state mobilization against life and property, how would people agitate against the erosion of these rights? Your argument is backward logic. As I mentioned earlier, historically, societies that erode free expression also see the erosion of other rights. And the right to dissent is always the first to go, for good reason.
Positive rights too?
Here’s a nice tale of how to keep rich Yank kids grounded:
I thought I was giving my kids the best childhood ever until my 4-year-old asked why we didn’t own a ‘bigger golf cart’
Humble-brag much?
Oh noes! What to do? Mrs Moneybags has four top ideas and the first made me laugh:
Well that’s not a bad start, but, as always, the Devil’s in the details:
Wtf? How many gifts? Lol oh only ten for Christmas? And only five for a birthday? I mean, imagine it. Happy birthday son, please note your meagre hoard of but five presents: an Xbox, a full drum kit, a surf board, a pony and…your very own golf cart, just like Mom and Dad! Now hopefully you’re starting to realise that you can’t have everything you want, okay?
Just five presents on birthdays and ten at Christmas. That’s borderline child abuse.
We’re not out of touch in thinking that such “limits” might be regarded as miserly by other families. Not at all.
What my kids get is one on their birthdays and two for Christmas – one from their parents and one from Father Christmas (also what I got). I guess we need to be reported to child protection or something.
Kubota have done their dash re agricultural equipment. Woke is one thing… breakable is another. The M108 is nice enough, but every other tractor is flim flam.
How did you manage to break one of these, Wally?
just drove to training.
The discussion on the radio illustrates my point.
Some bird from tennents association banging on about renters “rights”.
Keep pushing it love, see what their rights are when no one wants
any longer to rent them anything.
Why I ditched property about 6 years ago. Ticket clipping like smoke alarm checks and spiralling tradesman bills (Rentals beibng quoted at around 30% above what my private residence was).
This was before the madness of being forced to allow pets and now break lessee don’t have to pay the full re-letting charge.
WE have just sold our two rental properties.Made a bit but too much hassle to keep them.
It’s not backwards logic at all. Go back to what I said:
In a situation in which none of these rights are protected, people will organize to preserve their most basic rights first. They will want their life and property to receive the protection of the law, firstly, because they are the most essential rights, and then move on to the less basic rights like assembly and speech.
That isn’t a situation in which the state is actively organized against life and property, it’s simply a circumstance in which their status is uncertain. In that scenario, the preeminent concern is securing them first and then moving up the hierarchy of rights.
Also, you are conflating expression with the right of free expression. You’re assuming that “express[ing] ideas and challeng[ing] authority’ is the right of free expression when it isn’t. The latter simply seeks to protect the former.
Of course.
Further to comments upthread about the lunatic decision by the dealers missus to stop a goldmine because of secret pretend abo business told by a dentally challenged pretend abo called Nyree Reynolds….
Her offsider, probably among the 18 who can’t be named by the Slovenian Hag – because secret abo business (ala Hindmarsh Island) – is Delanie Sky. Sussed out by others also upthread.
Age 46, with a teenage daughter who has a history of self-harming, anorexia and lives with depression and anxiety (no fcuking wonder!).
Delanie Sky is Adjunct Lecturer, School of Information and Communication Studies, Faculty of Arts and Education, Charles Sturt University, Bathurst, NSW, Australia
So, a permanent student who has never had a real job in her life.
These are the people Blabbersack relies on to get advice on stopping billion dollar mining projects.
Also Greens candidate in a number of election attempts and someone has been busy altering google search parameters to airbrush her name out of this. I’d wager the greens at arms length are up to their necks in this.
Delanie Sky, huh?
Like Lee Rhiannon and others – a far left malcontent with the characteristic made up name?
Lee Rhiannon – should have been called Senator Stalinova.
Don’t forget that Blubnersack’s only job before becoming a political staffer and MP.was as women’s officer in the UTS student union.
https://thecurrencylad.com/2024/09/01/alright-please-fill-out-the-disinformation-reporting-form-below/
From CL. Looks good fun.
Tanya Plibersek acquires a new nickname to go with “Dealers Missus”, “Slovenian Hag”, “Blabbersack”.
Dingo’s Arse.
Plumberscrack
Hope a family does not need backlash like what is been dishes out.there go I,but for the grace of god!
More proof that ‘universities’ have a lot to answer for. Close them down and go back to institutes of technology minus ‘communication’ courses.
Yep.
If there’s a need for them, then they can fund themselves rather than forcing the taxed to do so.
Oh yeah, and they would do this without free expression how?
You appear to now introducing the right to free expression and expression itself as being different. If your argument became any narrower it would be invisible. Unfortunately, trying to distinguish between the legal right to free expression and expression isn’t as clear cut as you want people to believe.
Free expression is foundational by providing safeguards for dissent and to challenge authority. Without this right everything else is severely compromised.
You suggested you’re “not a fan of rights”.
This explains nihilism, or radical nihilism, which disavows, laws, contracts and human interactions at the most basic.
Even in the most totalitarian states such as Russia, China, Iran and NK there is some recognition of rights otherwise there’s no social stability.
Wow, we’ve really moved on from Milne and Oakshott.
Is your “right” to free speech more protected in a society filled with idiots all insisting on their rights or one in which people are aware of a duty to engage in polite discussion?
Don’t answer that.
We know where you stand on polite conversation.
You’re agin it.
Juan, piss off please.
Stop sulking JC.
I thought you would be the last person to do so.
It’s unbecoming.
at least Mr Free speech didn’t tell you to shut up
Oh look, it’s the a/c troll presenting as the fastest lip on a building site.
A situation in which a widowed friend finds herself. She has 3 adult children, one is quite grounded and stable, the other two are sons – one is married with 4 children and a wife who looks for points of argument with her MIL but is a good woman, just a millennial one, the other son finds himself in a desperate bind, was going out with a woman for a matter of months then she became pregnant — he was not looking for a child or a permanent relationship but there you have it. My widowed friend had a friend build a granny flat on her property which is her only asset and the unattached son, partner and little child moved into the granny flat and for 6 months paid no rent.
Now they’re paying rent and my friend asked that they sign a Residential Tenancy agreement simply to establish a landlord/tenant relationship — the son will sign it but the partner won’t. What can my friend do — i know what I would do but she is a loving wonderful person who just wants to help her children.
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Chang the fcuking locks!
If the son signs he is the tenant and the partner is his problem, however no way is mum going to kick out her dear son.
this is correct – you can name the partner and child as permitted occupants.
Does the DiL explain why she doesn’t want to have a Landlord relationship?
To me – and I’m naturally a very suspicious person – she is trying to make a prima facie case for inheritance of some of the property.
I don’t know the law in your case, but if she invites you over for a Beef Wellington dinner, don’t go. 🙂
I’d also suggest a paternity test for the child – it was a little too convenient for my suspicious mind.
Trust in God – all others pay cash and have a genetics test.
Also, Tinta, find out a little of the girls backgound. There must be some. The absence of background is a ringing bell in itself.
The refusal of a proper legal agreement is in itself something your friend has picked up and rightly so.
She may indeed want to claim at some future time that she is a dependent, not a tenant, for example if the son should die. As the son is willing to sign, the mother should say without a joint signature she cannot let them have the use of the property as she has had legal advice to that effect. Put it back on obscure ‘legal advice’. She should say if both don’t sign then she has been told to seek a non-related person or persons to lease the property and she will help them to find alternative accommodation.
Buy them a holiday to Bali for a couple of weeks. While they’re gone shift their gear out, change the locks and get another tenant in based on a tenancy agreement.
I’d suggest a white lie.
Something along the lines of council/ tax department require it..
Always good to have a listen every couple of years. ATC Lady goes into immediate MUM mode. Followed up from the blokes in Father mode.
Maggie freaked out at first but calmed herself down.
17-YEAR-OLD STUDENT PILOT LANDS HER PLANE WITHOUT A WHEEL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B229-KLudTo
From the Hun….
A Dreamworld tiger handler was walking one of the big cats when it attacked her according to authorities.
A 47-year-old woman working at the theme park’s tiger attraction was rushed to hospital on Monday morning after she was mauled by one of the animals.
The handler was working with the tiger about 9am when the attack happened.
Probably forgot to dish out the morning feed.
Nah. Probably lectured the big cat on killing stuff and the cat got the shits.
Lesson #1 Don’t employ animal attendants without some life experience outside university.
Lesson # 2 Tigers are carnivores. You are not special. You are dinner.
Lesson #3 See 1 & 2 above.
what about her rights to live long and prosper?
what about the tigger’s rights
…. you know, to be the best tigger it can possibly be?
it is hard to build up total trust with any sort of cat. Even the most loved and loving cat can have a savage moment and turn with a bite or a swipe. You yell at them and they return in five minutes to smooch you once more. With small cats you can easily get over any minor damage, with a tiger, not so much.
The Kenyan gives his “bitch” instructions on how to go forward
Yep. That sounds about right. Call from the puppet-master. Stop trying to show smart – AI, Venn diagrams – ‘cos you’re an idiot. The fix is in – we’ve got you – just keep quiet and cut the cackle. Just leave it all to us.
Perfectly matched to those vapid facial expressions.
Political correctness gone crazy. Courier Mail just put up article about the coffee baby attack and this is the description:
“The attacker is described as around 30 to 40 years old, of a proportionate build, with tanned skin. He was wearing a black hat, glasses, a shirt and shorts”.
Tanned skin ! Tanned skin could be an Anglo who overdoes it at the beach. The guy is definitely Asian and if I was describing him with a view to trying to get the public’s help I would say Chinese looking.
Seems the police have 29 officers on the hunt. Probably checking tanning salons!
I would have at least 1/3 officers visiting every Chinese food outlet in Chinatown and the Sunnybank area with the photos. Plus the Universities nearby. Somebody must know him.
Reynolds harassed Higgins with leaks, lawyer argues
Linda Reynolds harassed Brittany Higgins by leaking confidential documents and engaging with the lawyer representing Ms Higgins’ rapist, the former staffer’s lawyer says.
And Senator Reynolds’ submission to the Sofronoff Inquiry demonstrated that the senator “wished to silence sexual assault survivors”, Ms Higgins’ lawyer Rachael Young SC has told the WA Supreme Court.
Continuing her closing submissions, Ms Young said the leaking of confidential and privileged documents to the media, her conduct during Bruce Lehrmann’s rape trial, and her Sofronoff submission all showed that the senator had in fact harassed Ms Higgins.
Ms Young said Ms Higgins’ publications were protected by qualified privilege, and defences of fair comment and honest opinion.
Not a “No Nickers” fan but totally unimpressed with Reynolds based on what I’ve read of the case over the past weeks …..
From the Oz….
One of Australia’s worst alleged pedophiles has pleaded guilty to all 306 charges of child abuse in Queensland and overseas against dozens of young girls in his care over a 15-year period.
Child care worker Ashley Paul Griffith appeared before Brisbane District Court on Monday as he entered the pleas, more than a year after he was first taken into custody for allegedly abusing 91 young girls over 15 years at childcare centres in Brisbane, Sydney and Italy.
Wearing a striped polo shirt, jeans and red sneakers, Griffith accepted 28 counts of rape against at least 12 different children, 190 counts of unlawfully and indecently dealing with a child, and 67 counts of making child exploitation material.
He also pleaded guilty to 15 counts of maintaining an unlawful sexual relationship with a child as an adult, four counts of producing child abuse material outside of Australia, one count of distributing child abuse material outside of Australia, one count of using a carriage service for child pornography material and one count of possessing child exploitation material.
The Crown prosecutor dropped a further 13 charges at the start of the hearing.
Fcuk I wish we had the death penalty. Although prison justice involving lighter fluid and matches will do.
Be prepared to lose a lot of “Pillars of the Community” in the conflagration, Barking Toad.
I heard of an most effective one involving bulk hot melt woodworking glue in a prison workshop- very very sticky and very very flammable.
My SIL’s husband owns and manages a child care centre where this scumbag worked for a while. As far as been determined, no children at his centre were molested. Nevertheless, the regulators are giving him bureaucratic grief and so are one or two of the parents, even though there was no warning/awareness about this scumbag. A very stressful time for him.
Unlikely, but I hope the scumbag shares a cell with a nice Samoan gentleman.
But how can this be, asks Mr McClellan? He wasn’t a priest!
A study just released in The Lancet has found that more people die of cold than heat, and global warming is contributing to a reduction in cold-related deaths:
Global, regional, and national burden of mortality associated with non-optimal ambient temperatures from 2000 to 2019: a three-stage modelling study – The Lancet Planetary Health
Is The Lancet walking back its previously obsessive leftard wokery?
Great to watch the scandosmug rollmops Abba lose their fight to stop Trump using their bubblegum music.
Yaar Per, eez vaart hafpens venn you sell your rights.
Winston Smith
September 2, 2024 12:48 pm
I am long time owner of JD harvesters (24th season this year) which means, as a contractor, I’ve clocked up at least 12,000 separator hrs in all conditions and nearly all crops.
Add to this my “day job” for a large scale family farming concern who run a large number of JD tractors from 1960’s 4020’s to the modern and very electronic R series.
I will categorically state that I’ve never, nor currently, have any issue from or with John Deere in repairing my own or anyone else’s tractor of harvester. Of course they offer no warranty on workmanship, only on the integrity of parts if they come from them.
WRT the electronics. As with every other manufacturer there is heavy reliance on electric over mechanical/hydraulic systems. ie/ press a button in the cab and it’s connected by the CANBUS wiring system to the actuator that does the mechanical side of things.
Added to this is a huge system of sensors primarily measuring shaft speeds, pressures and temperatures.
On my S680 harvester this entails the linking together of 32 controllers, each with their own settings, some of which can be adjusted, some of which are permanent, as well as their own suit of fault codes.
When (not if) something goes wrong on the electronics or mechanical front a fault code is registered, a list of some are in the operators manual, for others you make a phone call. My dealership runs a dedicated tec support team which costs $500/yr and is money well spent.
You call them up and they can remotely access your machine or you quote fault codes and they walk you through checklists. I have not failed to diagnose a problem and fix it myself using this help. When a controller is out of action it’s usually a case of buying a new one and simply plugging it in, sometimes with a JD mechanic onsite to re boot the whole machine, but this is rare.
Checklists can lead you to a faulty sensor or wiring loom which a half capable person can fix themselves.
Diagnostic software can be purchased from JD and as far as I know you can use it the same as any of their tecs.
This “right to repair” has always baffled me because as far as I can see, if a lot of this stuff fails you can’t repair it anyway!
And as far as I can see the right to diagnose stuff yourself has not been removed.
In my experience the same applies with all other brands.
That’s not what the operators in the US are saying, 132andbush.
I repeat the link. Decide for yourself.
I know for myself, Winston.
You can purchase the diagnostic and tech support software so I don’t know what these farmers are going on about.
https://www.deere.com.au/en/parts-and-service/manuals-and-training/customer-service-advisor/
And of course this software would be licenced and copyrighted after all it is IP.
As for not being allowed to work on your own gear, the only time I can see that happening is if the machine is still under warranty.
I’ve never heard of or experienced it.
That video is very heavy on hyperbole btw.
Fitters used to say the same about Cat tools. Just send them the broken one (usually caused with a ten foot length of pipe)and get a new one in the mail. Late 80s, don’t know whether it is still the case.
As I said earlier, you are counting on something they don’t have at that stage. Again, in a situation in which the protection of the law is uncertain regarding life, property, expression, and the like, you are going to firstly secure life, then property, and so on. This is just obvious.
They are different. You have actual concrete examples of expression (the production of artistic works, books, pamphlets, film, websites, and so on) and you have the protection of these activities in general through law (the right of free expression). Disputes about the exercise of the latter are usually disputes about what falls properly within the former.
Sorry, but this is just a nonsense interpretation of what I’ve said. How you came to believe its nihilistic to prefer talking about goods rather than rights, or that it disavows law and human interactions remains a mystery. And its ironic that you should mention Oakeshott because he wasn’t a fan of rights talk, and he certainly didn’t think that free expression was the preeminent right. As for Mill, I’ve always been a critic of Mill and utilitarianism has always had an uneasy peace with rights, since its father, Bentham, thought they were ‘nonsense on stilts’.
Is there any information as to exactly how much electricity each renewable project delivers as compared to blurb?
We’ve tried to get it out of AEMO but it’s all hush hush as to actual performance.
The aneroid site split up the generation. Why not ask the people that run it. They might point you in the right direction.
Charmers has hoodwinked Australians! The Federal Government’s debt interest repayments in 2021/22 was $17.5Bn and is expected to rise, in 2025/26, to $26.3Bn.
That’s just the interest.
Many brownie points accumulated by the Cafe head waiter today.
It’s Spring and warm so I recommenced walking at 7:30 am. Half a kilometre down the road and here’s a grey butcherbird waiting. Haven’t seen him for months, but he’d spotted me instantly.
So I crossed the road to say hello to a lady who was cleaning up fallen leaves in her yard, since I know she feeds the magpies and the kookas. I asked do you feed the butcherbirds? Yes, says she, they come down too. I take this cue and wave a piece of mince – sure enough, down comes the butcherbird and lands on the fence between us. I give him the mince. Ooh, that’s cool she says, I can’t do that their beaks are so sharp! Which they are, but I’m a big guy with tough skin, so I can get away with it more than an elderly lady can.
Then since it’s such a nice day I walked down to the shops after lunch. I take food. Just outside front door a rainbow lorikeet lands on my hand, as he often does, so he gets to munch on some bread. Then a test: how far will he stay with me when I walk to the shops? He gets antsier and antsier until finally after about 100 metres he’s had enough.
Another 100m and a peewee is now orbiting my head. I have some mince, so he lands on my hand and takes off with it. He’s an old graduate of the Cafe, but can’t get here because of territorial restrictions. But he spots me instantly when I’m in his territory.
Buy stuff at shops and return. Peewee is waiting again, but he’s warned off by the Southern Magpie pair. They no longer come to the Cafe but if they see me they come over. They get a piece of mince each. Finally I reach home!
All this is very Seinfeldian nothing stuff really, but at the Cafe if I go somewhere it isn’t so much a walk as an expedition.
Lucky bugger.
When I walk to the shops, small children and dogs run in fear.
Never mind Winston, RF’s cat called Elsie loves you.
You probably improve upon acquaintance.
The Birdman of Newcastle. Good on you, Bruce.
Well if they told you, then you’d have to call in the plate generation figure as disinformation.
Or misinformation.
Or malinformation.
Which is all a bit of a laff, but it’s not like we’re getting our money back, or any of the boondogglers are getting a reposession and reparations bill.
Scammers do not let out information that would lead to disclosure of their scamming.
Nameplate capacity on windmills is one of the most useless numbers going around. Right up there with Preferred Prime Minister.
bons
September 2, 2024 2:05 pm
Great to watch the scandosmug rollmops Abba lose their fight to stop Trump using their bubblegum music.
Yaar Per, eez vaart hafpens venn you sell your rights.
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Good call. Mark Dice made that point the other day. I like some of Abba’s music. They should have kept their mouth shut. As for the Foo Fighters having a winge…garbage music.
Trump needs to go with Classic Philarmonic music.
Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring?
That’d scare the shit of the DNC!
Ride of the Valkyries
Rollmop pop
Beethoven’s 9th would be a great troll for the fauxjoy brigade.
March to the Scaffold from Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique.
Good thread.
It was an interesting strategy by the UGS. They put green conscripts into the well entrenched Pokrovsk zone and moved the veteran brigades north.
That didn’t work out so well since the conscripts bugged out as soon as the Russians shelled them. Which is why the Russians made some advances in that zone. But from what I can see the UGS have now stabilized that area. More or less anyway.
The veteran brigades the UGS freed up then went into the Kursk offensive, which has been significant. Having taken a serious amount of turf, plus strategic stuff like pipelines, they’ve now blown the bridges and dug in. About half a brigade of Russians are stuck on the wrong side of the river and are currently getting the shit shot out of them.
So far there is no sign that the RGS is committing enough force to dislodge the Kursk encroachment. Rather they’re feeding bits and pieces into the mess and they are all being turned into mincemeat. Russian conscripts (who are allowed to fight on Russian territory, but who are almost untrained) vs veteran Ukrainian infantry. It looks to me the UGS has sent a serious drone warfare unit with the encroaching infantry and they’re intercepting and splatting lots and lots of Russian armour. The AT drones are getting very deadly.
Is Pokrovsk the more or less fabled Prokhorovka, site of one of the famous tank battles of WW2?
Peter Schiff in his latest podcast:
”I remember in the 1980s when the trade deficit was a big number and was one of the reasons we got the 1987 crash”.
”People understood the problems these big trade deficits created”.
”A strong economy doesn’t produce a trade deficit”.
”A strong economy produces a surplus that can be exported”.
”We’re not making the stuff”.
”We don’t have the factories to make the stuff”.
”We don’t have the industrial base”.
Wait long enough, and even the libertarians (the brighter ones at least) start to get it.
Blame the Japs!!! 😛
Russian ‘spy whale’ Hvaldimir found dead in Norway | The Nightly
Nippers would have it canned on supermarket shelves by now.
Norgwegians eat whale too…
Mmm… whale.
“Well if they told you, then you’d have to call in the plate generation figure as disinformation.
Or misinformation.
Or malinformation.
Which is all a bit of a laff, but it’s not like we’re getting our money back, or any of the boondogglers are getting a reposession and reparations bill.”
Ha! They don’t even want to pay for decommissioning and land remediation. Of course, if you wanted a nuclear or fossil plant, you’d have to have a plan and cash for that…
In any case, a good guide for “capacity factor” of ruinables is no more than 30% – and that’s if everything is in the goldie-locks zone. No too much, not too little, but juuuuust right.
Of course, no-one will be able to say exactly when you can have it either, you just have to take your chances on that.
Plus you’ll consume 1,000 times the land area to get even that much, and need to build a few thousand km of extra transmission line to carry it.
And if you are lucky, you might get half the life of a fossil or nuclear plant out of it before you need to replace it.
When you do replace it, you’ll be stuck with non-recyclable, non-bio-degradable toxic landfill – noice.
As Kermit says: “It’s not easy being green”.
Worth a listen (20 mins):
Konstantin Kisin vs. NBC Journalist on Elon, UK Riots and Civil War (youtube.com)
So sick of the gotcha question “Do you accept that Joe Biden won the 2020 election?”. I think the correct answer is that “The election result is disputed”, which is objectively true.
When the stenographer repeats the question “Do YOU accept that Joe Biden won the 2020 election?”, the answer could be;
“Well, it would be nice to be confident that our elections are free and fair but with ongoing problems with electoral rolls integrity, numerous problems with massive numbers of mail-in ballots and unchecked signatures, lack of voter ID requirements as well as many chain-of-custody issues and exclusion of GOP scrutineers at that election in particular, how can anyone be sure? On top of all that, we now know that online media and the MSM were suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story before the election.
So, I don’t have enough evidence either way”.
Interesting, because it’s so obvious? How are you going to secure rights to property, life etc without being able to express or dissent against adverse actions?
I’ve seen freedom of artistic expression in Vietnamese museums – a totalitarian state. That’s not artistic expression; it’s groveling to the ruling regime. You’d rule that as freedom of expression, or not so much?
As I said, free expression isn’t just a legal abstraction—it’s the very medium through which human creativity and societal progress manifest. Limiting this right would stifle the very activities you’re describing.”
Rights, particularly the right to free expression, provide a foundation for individuals to advocate for and secure those goods in a way that respects human ideals. Seriously now, are you therefore arguing in the benevolence and the altruism of regimes to know exactly what they should do?
I think you misunderstood Oakeshott, or perhaps forgotten. He was critical of rights, etc. if they became ideological rather than practical. Why else would he have discussed issues like how can we live together in a civil association—an association that relies on discourse, debate, and the free exchange of ideas? In other words, he assumed preeminence of the right to free expression. And by the way, I began reading some of his works when you often talked about him at the old blog.
You also had me read Mill’s On Liberty years ago. Mill defended open debate as a way to reach the truth and help humans develop. Mill was for debate and discussion to enable a healthy, dynamic society.
(Mill, not Milne)
I’m ending this here because there’s not much more to be said.
“”We’re not making the stuff”.
”We don’t have the factories to make the stuff”.
”We don’t have the industrial base”.
Largely true, but there are exceptions – like where I work.
We export a container a month just to the USA of fairly low-tech stuff, plus low and high-tech stuff to plenty of other places around the world – Europe, Asia, and the Americas.
This is stuff made here – in Melbourne and Adelaide in fact.
We can do that because we are best in the world at what we do and have preferred supplier status with some very big global names in our industry. Plus we are supplying for big infrastructure programs here in oz like tunnels, airports etc.
We kept growing even during COVID, and it seems not a week goes by I don’t get an email about another new employee.
We could have off-shored all of it and made more money for a few years, but the owners are canny enough to know that keeping things made locally gives much tighter control over quality.
Hi Kneel.
Schiff was talking about the USA.
But the same applies here.
All praise to your guys though.
“tighter control over quality”.
See also Chinese aluminium that didn’t meet the specifications being used to build Australian navy vessels.
Just look at the crew behind her.
Morricone – Gabriel’s Oboe from The Mission, Maja ?agowska – oboe, conducted by Andrzej Kucyba?a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE3hoR_Nvo
I was literally watching this last night!!!
It’s a difficult area (as you obviously know) because the various agencies prefer to publish data in aggregate and to obscure performance measures.
The reason for that is simple: the utilisation of installed renewable capacity is shocking – around 25%, or less than 19% if you include the installed GW of gas and storage support in the denominator. An engineering and economic disgrace.
Project by project data is available – Rosetta Analytics provides a useful resource. But you have to do a bit of light Excel work to pull out the performance statistics.
Judiciary news – the Hun’s headline:
Fake penis lawyer’s prolific drug use exposed
The highlights:
‘exposed’. PHRASING.
My only quibble with this is the ‘eight standard drinks’ bit. Clearly, this bloke is not having a proper crack.
Of course his lawyer said that.
Ah. Ahhhhhhh.
One of the guys going through law school with me could have gone on to amateur pharmacy without any real problem. Liked his pills.
The OPP: that fine bunch of people who framed Pell and nolle prosequi anyone from the Labor left.
Remember the media circus about Taylor Auerbach, Bruce Lehrmann’ Channel 7 minder? Much prurient tut-tutting about the tarts and drugs, but none of our esteemed fourth estate seemed to think there was anything unusual about young Taylor’s knocking back thirty drinks a day. Par for the course?
Those opposing the death penalty I suggest follow the Wade Wilson case in the US.
Particularly his leaked prison phones calls wherein he laughs and jokes with various people about the crimes.
Which were to strangle two women and drive repeatedly over one of them, a young mother, until “she looked like spaghetti”.
The death penalty is the only appropriate sentence for this criminal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtxYR6SMADs
Nope.
A cell, bread and water. And a Bible. Nothing else. For the term of the rest of his life.
There’re worse things than death, but it requires a little bit of ingenuity to do it.
That’s not justice for the families Bruce.
They would then have to live the rest of their lives fearing some future administration would let the bastard out.
And you know that with the “rights” orientated society we live in, over time he would be given more and more rights.
The only version of your idea I would agree with if your list included a red hot poker up his backside.
Which only goes to say that any administration weenies who would do that should also be given a cell, bread and water, and a Bible. I’m very fair about such things.
No.
Some arsehole from the Left will let him out because ‘inhumane’.
But the real reason is to let him keep doing the shit he gets a kick out of.
Why?
Because some people think our society is sick and needs to be punished. Never themselves, just society. And society at large isn’t human. That’s how they see it – a faceless collection of things that have no rights.
The new mob Muslim Votes Matter, just went down a rabbit hole trying to find out something about their leadership after Michael Smith had something up about them, well absolutely nothing. Hmmm…
Their spokesman has quite a colourful past makes you wonder about the leadership team/organisers and why they are so shy:
https://thenightly.com.au/politics/muslim-votes-matter-spokesman-ghaith-krayem-struck-off-solicitors-roll-c-15671852
Aaaand it gets worse, Krayen is a snake:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2767971/Islamic-community-leader-refuses-criticise-actions-teenager-shot-dead-stabbed-two-police-officers.html
Rockdoctor, it looks like he was setting up a shakedown operation.
How are you going to secure rights to life and property if you can be killed or disinherited of shelter and clothing arbitrarily? The thing is, as I’ve repeatedly said, you already have life, property and expression. The movement here is not from not having them at all to having them in full, it’s from having them insecurely at least as a matter of law, to having them securely; that is what a legal regime achieves. And, again, in such a circumstance, you secure the most basic first, life, property, and move up the hierarchy from there.
“You have the right to life”
”That’s a relief’.
”Opps, sorry, someone just murdered you. That’s terrible, they infringed your rights. That should never happen”.
”Thanks. That’s so nice to hear you say”.
”Yes, and luckily, your murderer also has a right to life. So rest assured, we can’t do anything to shorten it”.
”Great. It’s so good to hear I didn’t die for nothing then. I suppose this whole thing has raised everyone’s awareness of our right to life”.
”Exactly”.
“Terrific”.
Arky, you could try and be serious. The ‘right to life’ isn’t even a law. It is, however, manifested in laws against murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, dangerous driving, etc. A murderer’s or an assassin’s ‘right to life’ can be abridged in self-defense or in the administration of justice. That you think this may not be the case is because you labour under similar illusions re rights as those who think otherwise.
I am being serious.
But all of you keep on arguing from the position that accepts the existence and importance of rights.
Instead of getting to the root of it and justifying the current reliance on the primacy of rights instead of making duty the primary thing.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I just want someone to do the work.
I could myself make several arguments as to why a rights based approach might have positives.
But I’d prefer to hear others make a case.
Lets set out what we have so far:
The good.Rights that point towards the good.Laws and rules that claim to protect rights.institutions that do the necessary work.
Whereas I state that if you did this:
the good.Duties and responsibilities that specify what people are responsible for what action.Laws that that enforce people performing their duties.institutions that do the work.It’s essentially the same outcomes, minus giving the rabid left an instrument with which to corrupt society.
Example.
It is good that people don’t get murdered.
Everyone has a duty to ensure they don’t murder anyone.
There are laws against murder.
The police and courts work to both enforce the law and ensure justice is done.
Nowhere in this chain does it require any “right to life”, although you might argue it’s implicit in the law, but probably only because culturally for the last two hundred years we have been led to think of it in that way.
Thing is, I’ve already said I think a goods based approach is better.
Then we are in furious agreement and talking past each other.
Only identifying a good isn’t any good if there is not a mechanism to bring it about.
Which requires the identification of an actor. A duty.
Or, and this is where I make the argument for those in favour of rights:
People are more motivated to do things in their own favour. Given a right, a person is more likely to pursue that, than to go out of his way to fulfil an obligation to another due to duty.
So from an efficiency point of view, rights might seem better.
But I would counter that by saying that is offset by the corrosive effect on society of teaching people to pursue their rights at the expense of fulfilling obligations.
Or in other words, rights are useless in a society where no one recognises their duties to others.
That’s a valid point Arky.
And it may just be where we are going wrong.
Bloody thing,
You edit it and the numbers disappear.
Redone to return the format:
Whereas I state that if you did this:
It’s essentially the same outcomes, minus giving the rabid left an instrument with which to corrupt society.
“Rights” actually presuppose the existence of some kind of rule of law which already protects life and property.
A cell, bread and water.
The cell to be equipped with a tall stool and a rope attached to the ceiling with a noose on the end spaced just right, above the stool.
I would include a small printed label, attached to the noose, saying “Go directly to Hell, do not pass Go.”
Otherwise I have no problem with that idea.
Oakeshott in the essay The Political Economy of Freedom:
Certainly in private, no matter what a previous ‘ooman Rites Commisioner might have thought.
PS, I regard this blog as a private place for discussion. Even idiots like mUntard should be allowed here. And we should have the right to call him an idiot.
The New Zealand COVID vaccine data shows that the shots make you more likely to die
I’ve put it up on my FB page – total readers 2 – and I’m waiting for the usual addition of covid information from the government which ‘proves’ I’m wrong, and explains ‘shutup’, you purveyor of misinformation.
Miranda Devine
The United Nations is ‘terrified’ of Trump, official admits in undercover video
@Holden_Culotta
RFK Jr: “There still has to be a reckoning” for Covid
“The mainstream media hasn’t caught up with the science, but the science is out there now and it’s devastating.”
“Yesterday, the chief attorney for FDA admitted, because he lost a case in court against a doctor, that there was no reason to discourage people from taking Ivermectin.
Ivermectin was a very devastating cure for Covid. It literally obliterated Covid.
By depriving people of Ivermectin, millions of people around the globe died.
There were cures for Covid from day one … but they didn’t want that, they wanted the vaccine only.
There’s a little-known federal rule that they were all aware of which said that you cannot issue an emergency use authorization for a vaccine if there is an existing remedy that has already been approved for any use.
If they admitted that any of them were effective, the whole vaccine project would have fallen apart.
They gave people a product that was not properly tested.
Now, we have a whole generation of kids that got myocarditis, these terrible heart problems in young athletic boys.
You’re seeing so many kids now drop dead on playing fields. We never saw anything like this before.
The average, I think, was 29 a month globally athletes who died on the field, and we’re getting to hundreds a month now.”
Kamala Harris and Tim Walz Hate You
Haven’t read much on the Eastern Front, in World War Two, But I’ve just taken delivery of “Endgame 1944 – How Stalin Won the War” by Jonathan Dimbleby.
Operation Bagration began in June 1944, when more then two million Red Army soldiers began an assault along a 1200 mile front, and started the push to Berlin. Bagration destroyed three quarters of Army Group Center’s divisions. Looks interesting!
Bagration was the lead up to Germany’s defeat. Stalingrad was survivable, Kursks Operation Citadelle removed the core of the mobile Divisions, but Bagration and its aftermath gutted the German infantry units.
Had Germany pulled back 500 miles, shortened it’s supply lines and fought a defensive battle instead of the Kursk offensive they could have bled the Red Army into impotence.
Perhaps von Mansteins early offensive into the Kursk salient may have worked, as it would have happened before the Red Army made up its losses around Stalingrad/Rzevh/Operation Little Saturn but delaying the start allowed – I’ve seen a couple of figures – nearly a million wounded time to recover and flesh out the units in the Kursk salient, and allow multiple defence lines to be constructed.
Russia was a good example of the futility of taking ground without heed to its strategic worth.
@MikeBenzCyber
Who would disagree with Oakeshott there, with respect to the points he’s making about vocal imbeciles suggesting taking a piss in public is a “herman” right? I only wished though that we understood enough of ourselves that we didn’t have to stoop to that level.
Oakeshott is saying that overemphasizing free speech clouds the picture with what could be going on with respect to other rights. What he doesn’t mention in your paragraph is that free expression is foundational because you can’t advocate for property rights, the right to life, etc. In other words, free expression is intrinsic to those other rights he speaks of.
“Most men have nothing to say” undervalues the right to free expression. Even if people don’t avail themselves of this right, it says nothing about it’s importance in terms of the security it provides in potentially speaking out or dissenting. As I said, Oakeshott has a concern with the ideological and not the practical.
The End. This time I promise.
Moves Begin to Cancel the Anglo-Saxons…
I do complain a lot.
But here I only want someone, anyone, to point out the purpose of all this rights talk we have been subjected to and programmed with our entire lives, if the same outcomes could be achieved by insisting people observe their duties and responsibilities.
I’ve already explained that.
Rights frame our duties.
Without the notion of rights (properly defined) people would be likely to multiply duties beyond what is reasonable, good and necessary for our well being.
Communism does this, for example, when it teaches that we have a duty to ensure equality of economic outcomes (one of Kamala Harris’s mantras).
No…there is no such right, hence there is no corresponding duty.
How did people in the past before this rights movement, know their duties then?
And how is your demonstration of how the rights movement rolls on to ever increasingly absurd “rights” like “equity” an argument against what I am saying?
Already renters think they have a “right” to pets, a right to secure leases, a right to maintenance that in times past was in fact the renters duty to do?
How do you explain the constant encroachment of the rights movement into more and more areas, if these rights were “self evident”.
If they were self evident, then they would be self evidently limited and not subject to constant change.
Example.
Thou shalt not kill.
Do you really need a “right” to go along with the command?
The modern rights movement is largely irrelevant and fading.
See above re abuse not constituting proper use.
The Christian doctrine is that even fallen humans retain a knowledge of God and his will, albeit “through a glass, darkly.”
I recommend CS Lewis’s Abolition of Man; it’s a short read that repays the effort many times over.
If you transmute the outcomes that can be achieved by exercising ‘duties and responsibilities’ into ‘rights’, it becomes possible to have someone else enforce said ‘rights’ on your behalf – and, Bingo, you get the benefits without the effort.
Government likes to do that, because passive people like them to. Symbiotic satisfaction.
A Political Officer In Every Company!
“It’s Gonna Damage Our Country” | Fury Over Labour’s Pay Rises
Can all you Cats PLEASE stop using the word “Oakeshott” as it is very triggering for me.
Tony Windsor & Rob Oakeshott Support Labor (youtube.com) (yes, all 26 minutes of his speech endorsing Gillard!!!)
Ditto for me.
Last time I heard of him, he’d somehow graduated in Medicine was starting out training as a GP.
Pro Tip: If you fall ill in Port Macquarie, try to make it to Taree.
As in, “he really made an oakeshott of that speech”?
Oh noes, we’re going to be short of parrot cage lining.
8 newspapers cease printing in Hunter, New England and North West (Ncl local news, 1 Sep)
Who, you might wish to ask, is Australian Community Media? Well I did as you do and searched…
The CanT and the Newcastle Pravda? There you go. Fortunately none of my parrots are in cages since I am entirely sure they wouldn’t see fit to crap on these rags. They have standards.
Spent two (wasted?) hours watching a docco on YouTube today about a dude called Ron Wyatt who claimed to have found Sodom and Gomorrah (plausible?), the real location of Mt Sinai (semi-plausible), the location of Noah’s Ark (debatable?) but he lost me when he said he found the Ark of the Covenant with Christ’s blood on it.
Interesting side note, he claims he got the blood tested and it came back with only 23 chromosomes…. as in, only the mother’s genes… I don’t buy it but it raises some interesting scientific questions…
Christs blood and the Ark of the covenant? did he mean the grail? how would christs blood get on the Ark??
Race and Rhetoric: It Is Central to The Democrat’s Campaign & Existence | Thomas Sowell
Speaking of bread, water and a hangman’s noose…
Paul watson’s anti-whaling fight continues from prisonAFP
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Paul Watson said his ‘ship right now is Prison Nuuk’ as his legal team insist Tokyo has a vendetta against him. Picture: AFP
Anti-whaling activist Paul Watson’s detention in a Greenland prison pending his possible extradition to Japan has not prevented him from continuing his fight to save the animals, he told AFP in an interview.
“If they think it prevents our opposition, I’ve just changed ship. My ship right now is Prison Nuuk,” the 73-year-old US-Canadian campaigner said, a mischievous smile crossing his face as he met with AFP in the visitors’ room of Greenland’s Nuuk Prison.
Really, now lack of storm activity in the Atlantic tropics and the Gulf are indicate climate crisis. This circus needs to go on the road.
“Climate fueled” oceans no less.
Your models don’t work because they are simply reflecting your prejudged opinion, and thus have little connection to reality.
You’re welcome.
In other words, the former Fairfax regional newspapers, now owned by Nine Entertainment, staffed by loony leftists peddlling loony left political propaganda (like “climate change”), not news.
So of course they’re not sustainable because their “reporting” is rubbish.
Aka How to lose another family fortune.
I counted a couple of times in our local rag. Around a quarter of every issue is advertising paid for by Commonwealth, state or local politicians. Then comes the TV guide.
A noticeable proportion of the other items are infomercials.
A couple of pages of sport, one combining letters to the editor and police gossip, and there it is.
King Charles to receive £45 million pay rise as winter fuel payments are cut | LBC
Most pollimuppetts are repulsive but Waltz goes beyond that.
Spokesman Says Walz’s Lies Make Him Authentic – Daniel Greenfield / Sultan Knish Articles at DanielGreenfield.org
This may have been uploaded before but it’s worth repeating.
The Best Answer Ever Given On Why We Should Vote For Trump.
It’s WORSE Than You Thought! Starmer’s Net Zero Plans EXPOSED…
Need your help here Cats,
Doing up a cruise liner talk around NZ and eastern Oz, which will have a lot of Americans on board.
Who are our most famous Aussies?
Sir John Monash of course.
John Cornforth, who won the Nobel for Chemistry. He gave a lecture for us once, which was interesting since he was deaf as a post. Amazing guy.
Likewise Nobel Prize winner Barry Marshall, who not only fixed peptic ulcers overnight but eradicated a whole billion dollar industry of useless nostrums.
Monash, Bradman and Bluey!
If you mention Phar Lap you’ll really annoy the Kiwis.
Sir John Monash, and Essington Lewis – founder of Broken Hill Propriety.
Rupert Murdoch Greg Norman Errol Flynn
Dame Edna Everage and Sir Leslie Patterson.
Paul Hogan.
You mean Crocodile Dundee.
Infidel Tiger
LOL
From a U.S. perspective, and more recently(ish):
Steve Irwin, Hugh Jackman, Margot Wotzername, Paul Hogan (as Crocodile Dundee, though I don’t know how popular it was in the U.S.), the Bee Gees, etc.
As far as significant Australian historical figures, I don’t know if any would be recognisable to a U.S. audience, hence the use of popular culture, which could segue into other topics.
Older retiree Americans would probably well remember our tennis greats; Rod Laver, Lew Hoad, Ken Rosewall, Newk, Gong and Margaret Court.
Maybe Jack Brabham as well.
Lang Hancock, Frederick York Wolseley – revolutionised shearing.
Seconded!
Dr William McBryde
Chris Hemsworth is high up there due to his Thor movies.
See if I have this correct.
If everyone wasn’t instructed as to their rights, some might be forced to do more than their fair duty?
That’s why rights are required?
Isn’t this circuitous?
I say we identify the good, and for each good determine who has responsibility, then frame laws around that.
But you’re saying we identify the good, and for each good determine whose right it is, and then determine who is responsible for upholding those rights?
Seems redundant.
I’ll get back to this tomorrow, D.v.
Abolition of Man, please Arky.
A plea to accept first principles.
Which in his case, appears to be principles of aesthetics.
Which also seems to me, makes my case.
The aesthetics of grown men constantly living lives appealing to others for their rights is despicable, and I’m sure C.S. Lewis would agree with me.
Read the book.
You’re a teacher, you understand the concept of homework.
😀
I just did.
Now some homework for you:
We have no right to happiness.
It boils down to this: “A belief in a dogmatic value is necessary to the very idea of a rule which is not tyrannical”.
And that instinct is not a valid base for morality.
These are precisely the arguments I had with BG and John.
And they are the same arguments which lead me to reject a rights based morality as well.
With a firm grasp of the required dogmatic values, rights aren’t really required are they? They might be implied from those dogmatic values, but they don’t dictate them.
Knowing ‘do unto others” doesn’t require a right to have done to, does it?
I’m enjoying the discussion on rights and responsibilities. It’s like watching an evenly matched tennis tournament.
Just try to resist pegging a shot at this humble ballgrannie.
I don’t like pegging, but others can do as they wish.
I’m more with Dover on this, first you need to be safe and then to have the right to your property or fruits of your labour.
Top Ender, if it’s for American ears, I’d suggest (in order): our most enduring prime minister Sir Robert Menzies (who helped Sir Winston Churchill win World War Two) our greatest war-fighting soldier Sir John Monash and our greatest Labor prime minister Bob Hawke (a staunch American ally).
Jesus was a woman!? He’s lying.
Why would Jesus’ blood be anywhere near the ark of the covenant when he died on the cross?
Lysander
September 2, 2024 5:32 pm
Reply to Steve trickler
I was literally watching this last night!!!
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I posted that years ago at Sinc’s. It just pops in the head.
Cheers. All the best.
Robert Reich: ‘Elon Musk Is Out of Control’ and Should Be Threatened with Arrest
Robert Reich: Musk Is ‘Out of Control,’ Should Be Threatened with Arrest (breitbart.com)
Piss off- who the hell do these mediocrities think they are?
Is “out of control” now a crime in the US? Bizarre.
Or does “out of control” mean “says things Reich doesn’t want to hear?
Musk is not the one out of control, it’s the ones who want to shut him up who are uncivilised and rampaging lunatics.
Famous Australians? Erroll Flynn?
rod taylor?
I thought he was Tasmanian
Never been a fan of the Kennedys and I think they’re drawing a long bow…
RFK Jr. Campaign: Choose Trump and ‘Finish the Story’ JFK, RFK Started (breitbart.com)
Maybe LBJ was more of the problem
I sense that RFK Jr has thrown his lot with Trump as he believes that Trump is his best chance of having the Kennedy assassinations files made public.
Greg Sheridan has no answers to the question of Israel versus Hamas and whether the war is productive. The fact is that no halt can be countenanced until Hamas is detsroyed.
What if Hamas can’t be destroyed?
What if the attempt to do so only attracts new recruits?
How do you destroy an idea?
Regardless of the outcome of the war in Gaza, the events of the 7th of October established the legacy of h@m@s (and associated entities). This can never be erased.
I wonder if Israel’s intention is to degrade the ability of h@m@s to operate at any size beyond a local cell or cluster of cells, by destroying resources and infrastructure (such as the underground network of tunnels), so the renewed Israeli intelligence setups can monitor them effectively?
Mediocrities are far more threatened by talented people than talented people are. In this case we have a mediocre man who thinks, through comical hubris, that his talented people feel loyal to him even though he has nothing to offer except vapid orisons of devotion.
There is a lonely tragedy in people deluding themselves like that because they cannot ever connect with each other because they would have to admit to themselves also that they too are mediocre.
The stars have aligned:
Albanese, Dutton & Starmer are all presently enjoying a -13% “approval” rating.
Nay-saying will only take you so far; Dutton needs to find his mojo else we’ll be gifted with a Labor minority government beholden to the Greens & Teals.
“with a Labor minority government beholden to the Greens and Teals”
That’s a prospect to make you shudder!
See above for your assignment.
The problem isn’t that you continue, it’s that you don’t address the counter-argument.
Sheridan and Reich are more proof that as far as the politico-meja class is concerned, membership is not open to people with real achievements in the real world.
Indolent
September 2, 2024 5:40 pm
Crowder aired that the other day with a prediction of how the UN would explain it away, which the UN then dutifully followed.
“The person in question is a lower level functionary whose views are not those of the UN in general blah blah blah”
Crowder hinted strongly that this first bloke was the tip of a very big iceberg so I’m guessing they have some material to come that will not be from lower level functionary types.
What does “destroyed” mean? Unable to kill IDF personnel? Unable to take further hostages? Unable to fire further missiles into Israel? All of these things? Does Israel continue with this objective even if it takes another year? Two? Five? Even if it leads to further internal division? Even if it causes a full-scale regional conflict? Even if one or more of these tanks the Israeli economy?
It continues until another Oct 7th is unthinkable either due to lack of terrorist numbers or fear of the consequences.
Support savages? Reap the rewards.
Until X is unthinkable isn’t anymore specific than destroyed and then you ran into the same questions raised above.
How about this. It ends when Israel thinks it should.
I believe that was Dan’s answer to when the lockdowns finish too.
So what’s your solution?
Acoustic guitars and a rendition of “Imagine”.
“X” is a non descriptive fart in the wind. Not specific.
I didn’t say that. I said Oct 7.
There are 10^7 moozies wanting Israel wiped out. If Hamas numbers are reduced others will move in with the same goal. Gaza is the place to continue the genocide attempts. As I have previously stated short of a decades long administrative control of Gaza I don’t see any solution for Israel. There will be a peace settlement and Israel will go back to mowing the grass in Gaza.
To take care of Hamas in the long run neuter its sponsor Iran. Israel could do it but at enormous cost to itself while the US could do it cheaply, break Iran economically.
The US has had sanctions on Iran since the 70s and failed to break it even while it was the leading economic power by far. The economic integration of Iran into BRICS makes that play much harder if not impossible to achieve.
Comment rejected at the Oz for pointing out that the Israeli hostages were murdered, not executed…
Shazza Markson “Exclusive”:
Mike “Duelling Banjos” Burgess declares hamarse a terrorist threat to Ozzies.
The man is one of this country’s most piercing intellects.
Yeah, OK, he’s an incompetent imbecile and Albansleazey lickspittle who wouldn’t know if his backside was ablaze.
Exhibit A (cue spookee muzak): (Imaginary) garage nayzees. Everywhere. Coming to a suburb near you!
Here’s a nice article which sums up this bunch of student activists.
https://thenightly.com.au/opinion/the-front-dore/the-front-dore-jim-chalmers-new-mantra-its-the-stupid-economy-c-15909162
Wow puts the slipper into Charmers pretentiousness perfectly. Noice
Sticking this here so I can find it again, reply to Roger re: The Abolition of Man.
Arky
September 2, 2024 8:51 pm
Reply to Roger
It boils down to this: “A belief in a dogmatic value is necessary to the very idea of a rule which is not tyrannical”.
And that instinct is not a valid base for morality.
These are precisely the arguments I had with BG and John.
And they are the same arguments which lead me to reject a rights based morality as well.
With a firm grasp of the required dogmatic values, rights aren’t really required are they? They might be implied from those dogmatic values, but they don’t dictate them.
Knowing ‘do unto others” doesn’t require a right to have done to, does it?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/09/exceptionally-moving-campaign-ad-from-president-donald-trump-lest-we-forget.html
In a just world, the hyena would be looking for a rock to crawl under….
Hyenas aren’t exactly much into shame, they are what they are as is Kamala.
The real problem is that you skirt arguments by trying to introduce new points when the earlier ones don’t work. You do this all the time.
are you retarded?
introducing new points is exactly the form of argumentation
I will admit that JC has a right to be the best moron he can be
Keep ticking yourself that you’re the best, Trans. But no one believes it. You fcking idiot. You’ve trolled the site for years now, but we’re hopeful that sometime you’ll actually troll the site by adding something useful. What a diminished individual.
Reading “Do Let’s have Another Drink” by Gareth Russell – “The Singular Wit and Double measures of Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.”
“One of Elizabeth’s longer lasting friendships was with the playwright Noel Coward…Elizabeth subsequently dispelled any doubt that she knew Coward was gay, when, one evening they passed the tall soldiers of the Household Cavalry, in their gleaming breastplates, lined up on either side of the staircase. Catching Coward staring, Elizabeth whispered, with a smile “I wouldn’t if I were you, Noel. They count them, before they put them out!” (Page 78.)
I’d take that as an insult, but it’s coming from, you venomous pos. No, there’s no reason to continually be adding new points when the old ones don’t work. You have a serious problem with comprehension, but then it’s no surprise.
Seriously, when was there ever a time you added or introduced a topic other than trolling people and attempting to look smart,
Keep ticking trans. Trolling, ticking and drinking.
There you go. It’s a release value like in an a/c unit.
free speech JC
… you’re free to continue making a complete feck-wit of yourself again
Thanks God Oracle. I’ll keep that in mind.
I’m curious, for those not a “fan of rights”, which of these aren’t you a fan of?
Also, with respect to the second amendment, if it didn’t exist, would any non-fan believe that Americans would continue to possess the right to own guns?
I’ll go and ask my 6.5 creedmoor.
Question for you:
Which right are you most fond of, and in what way is it being infringed?
there are no rights
they are an artifact of power
Learning a difficult word a day shtick no longer works, Trans. You have to try some other scam.
Now try and answer the question. If the constitutional right to bear arms didn’t exist, would law-abiding American citizens continue to possess and still be allowed to buy arms?
Go!
JC, you are possibly the stupidest person I know
Ask him what his favourite right is and how it is being infringed.
He’s still sulking at me.
That’s you’re answer then. Stick to Southlanding, Trans.
correct
Rights could also be a mutual agreement between between or within societies.
You didn’t get around to the 19th.
I reckon they could improve things by repealing that one.
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RFK Jr: “My uncle spent the 1,000 days of his administration battling his military apparatus and intelligence agencies to keep the country out of war”
“On October 22, 1963 … he signed National Security Order 263 ordering all military personnel home from Vietnam.
30 days after that, he was killed.
And a week after that, LBJ, his successor, remanded that order and sent 250,000 troops in, then Nixon came in and sent 560,000.
56,000 Americans never came home, including my cousin George Skakel, who died in the Tet Offensive.
Then my father ran five years later against the Vietnam War and was killed after winning the California primary.”
“Three days before my uncle’s inauguration, Eisenhower gave this speech that today stands as one of the most important speeches in American history.
He warned Americans against the emergence of a military-industrial complex that would destroy democracy.”
I haven’t skirted anything here. I addressed the claim that speech is prior to life (and property) directly at 4.54pm and earlier.
dover,
rationalizing with him is a waste of time
… he’s retarded
Abolition of Man:
https://www.basicincome.com/bp/files/The_Abolition_of_Man-C_S_Lewis.pdf
Article 33 All persons holding the nationality of the People’s Republic of China are citizens of the People’s Republic of China.
All citizens of the People’s Republic of China are equal before the law.
The state shall respect and protect human rights.
Every citizen shall?enjoy the rights prescribed by the Constitution and the law and must fulfill the obligations prescribed by the Constitution and the law.
Article 34 All citizens of the People’s Republic of China who have reached the age of 18, regardless of ethnicity, race, gender, occupation, family background, religious belief, level of education, property status?or length of residence,?shall?have the right to vote and stand for election; persons deprived of political rights?in accordance with law?shall?be an exception.
Article 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall?enjoy freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession?and demonstration.
Article 36 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall?enjoy freedom of religious belief.
No state?organ, social organization or individual shall?coerce citizens to believe in or not to believe in any religion, nor shall they discriminate against citizens who believe in or do not believe in any religion.
The state shall?protect normal religious activities. No one shall?use religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the state’s education system.
Religious groups and religious affairs shall not?be subject to?control by foreign forces.
Article 37 The personal freedom of citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall not be violated.
No citizen shall?be arrested unless?with the approval or by the decision of a people’s procuratorate or by the decision of a people’s court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ.
Unlawful detention, or the unlawful deprivation or restriction of a citizen’s personal freedom by other means, is prohibited; the unlawful search of a citizen’s person is prohibited.
Article 38 The personal dignity of citizens of the People’s Republic of China shall not be violated. It is prohibited to use any means to insult, libel or falsely accuse citizens.
You have indeed done so from your initial remark, to which I responded by showing how a Jew in Germany had no right to exist but nevertheless showed resistance through dissent. It was all downhill from that point on. You seem incapable of acknowledging that you can ever be in error.
No, they had those rights under the Weimar Constitution.
Didn’t do any good though once those who usurped power began violating those rights, did it?
In other words, the rights, explicitly written into the Weimar constitution did zero (0) once it really mattered.
This not a fan of rights talk is not a fan of the idea that determining what is protected by the first amendment, for instance, doesn’t involve recourse to ends. I’m entirely certain that none of the authors of the first amendment nor those that ratified it believe porn or the Church of Satan fell within its protections.
You can have all the amendments you want but as soon as the compact is broken and the transgressors are not excluded from the society the amendments are null and void. Mutual agreement is the only insurance.
My father died yesterday. Not sure how to feel
Jesus, Ellie. I’m so sorry to hear this. Be strong; there will be people who’ll need you. My deepest sympathies.
How do you deal with grief? Mum passed away, but for some reason I am struggling with the death of my father
He taught me to fish. I learned to put a bait on the hook. I caught the fish, gutted it an ate it. We went deep sea fishing. I told him I want to jump off the boat. He said he needed to put the shark detector on. I was safe. I swam in the deep waters under his control
I itch. I scratch myself. Is it real. I know people here hate me.
Thank you, Dover, for your kindness
I know who is down ticking me in my grief. Have at it. Maybe I deserve it ?
Anyway, catching up with RF on his brief return. Conversation will stay with the black vagina and her fake news about the one we can’t mention in public.
Ellie…I’m so sorry. I felt exactly that when mine went 4 years ago. I thought I was supposed to be griefstricken but wasn’t. I thought there was something wrong with me. But realised that he was old, sick, and, powered by his deep Catholic faith, ready to accept the end. He received Communion in the hours prior and he had an absolutely ecstatic spiritual experience at the same time. He wasn’t sad. So I guess, nor was I. Sad to lose him, but not sad at the same time. Many tears and much laughter at his funeral though. Prayers for you at this time.
MatrixTransform
September 2, 2024 10:27 pm
I wouldn’t say that, but I would never argue with him about anything even about the sun rising in the east.
We had a workmate like him, he was always right about everything even if he hadn’t the faintest clue about the subject.
he would twist and turn and shift the goalposts but never admit being wrong.
Nobody argued with him after a few weeks, you could see him fuming when left out of discussions. Frustrated the crap out of him.
the dumb arse simply wants an argument
be nice if the clown could formulate one
Kevin, I can’t ever recall you’ve posted anything that’s worthwhile discussing. Perhaps you’re workpal was frustrated with how bland and uninteresting you are and that had you reaching the wrong conclusion.
You seem incapable of acknowledging that you can ever be in error.
I never am in error so why should I admit it?
You’re obviously looking for human perfection. Unfortunately, for this, you’ll have to wait until the afterlife because you’re not going to find it on earth.
While I agree they may not have considered lewdness and depravity, Musk still hasn’t been arrested in the US and now is afraid to leave the country for obvious reasons. In fact he sees the US as a haven. Although not for lack of trying, the US constitution has offered protections that aren’t available elsewhere, and there is more of an opportunity there to reverse bullshit with those rights inscribed in their constitution.
How about the right to bear arms?
Trans, remain silent please as you’re not adding anything worthwhile.
Trans, remain silent please as you’re not adding anything worthwhile.
I presume you mean me; and that is not true head prefect. Everything I do is worthwhile. I was alluding to the truth paradox: ‘I always tell lies’, am I telling the truth? Alternatively: I thought I was wrong but I was mistaken. Am I perfect? So, which is it?
When did you morph into Trans, Cronkite?
Well WTF is trans then?
How is wanting to also talk about ends when talking about rights wanting perfection?
This is too complicated: here is an army of cute owls:
if instead of writing a lot of meaningless piffle about rights, which were immediately ignored once Hitler took power, the Weimar Republic had taken steps to instil in it’s people the good of not murdering people, events may have been different.
Not at all, but putting that allegation aside, how does that count against my point that protecting life is prior to protecting speech? It doesn’t in the slightest.
When I’ve made a mistake I’ve admitted it. But still, lmao that you would accuse this of anyone yourself.
You raised two examples that you believe shouldn’t have been considered as rights to free expression even though the US has, in a relative sense, the most liberal rights to free expression in the world. The glass is perhaps 90% full, and you still stretch out to find fault.
Now answer my question seeing I answered yours (before mine).
The Pilko defense was laughable finally devolving that bullshit into calling any rejoinders myths. You of all people making this accusation. Really?
I’m surprised you’re even trying to defend this. Protecting life can only be achieved through the demonstration of dissent. How else has this been achieved. it hasn’t been through the goodness of a regime’s heart.
The criticism would have been valid before these decisions, they simply illustrated the problem.
Also, with respect to the second amendment, if it didn’t exist, would any non-fan believe that Americans would continue to possess the right to own guns?
Isn’t the answer obviously, no. If the right to bear arms didn’t exist obviously Americans would not enjoy a right to bear arms.
What was this dispute about specifically?
Huh huh, what criticisms were leveled before?
Obviously. Assuming you support this right, how is not being a fan of rights working out? Are you a partial fan then?
How about the most arcane right of all, that these days may not appear to have much relevance.
A fan, partial fan or not so much?
Doing the right thing, without compulsion.
In the ACT (Canberra), there are lGreen-sponsired laws that penalise the failure to return a shopping trolley. Not this is a good idea.
In not returning the shopping trolly, I am providing valuable employment to the shopping trolly man.
Huh. A fascinating thought.
Tell me, is this ‘demonstration of dissent’ the same as the right to free expression? Because, if it is, how did you first secure the right to free expression without the demonstration of dissent? It can’t have been the demonstration of dissent, otherwise, you’d be begging the question.
Still, I’m surprised you keep on being surprised even though I argued earlier:
The thing is, as I’ve repeatedly said, you already have life, property and expression. The movement here is not from not having them at all to having them in full, it’s from having them insecurely at least as a matter of law, to having them securely; that is what a legal regime achieves. And, again, in such a circumstance, you secure the most basic first, life, property, and move up the hierarchy from there.