Open Thread – Mon 2 Sept 2024


On the road. Retreat and escape …, Vasily Vereshchagin, 1887-1895

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Black Ball
Black Ball
September 3, 2024 9:25 pm

Sorry if I am late to the party Rabz, Manchester United 0-3 Liverpool.
I very much like this, every now and then I will play the 0-5 rout the Mighty Reds gave them at Old Trafford.

JC
JC
September 3, 2024 9:41 pm

I’ve been given it some thought on Trump policy of raising taxes through a tariff.
Instead of introducing tariffs (leaving aside the China issue), Trump should introduce a consumption tax and lower income and corporate tax by the same percentage of GDP.

What you want to see is more investment and the only way to achieve that is by encouraging savings.

Taxing consumption creates a levelling effect without penalising one crucial part of the economy in favour of another.

Offering lower earners a rebate at a certain threshold could be worked into the system.

I’ve also been thinking about an issue with unrealized capital gains. Wealthy individuals with significant unrealized gains can borrow against their assets to fund their consumption without paying taxes. On top of that, they can even deduct the interest payments from their taxable income.

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Indolent
Indolent
September 3, 2024 9:46 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 3, 2024 9:47 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 3, 2024 9:53 pm

Knuckle Dragger
 September 3, 2024 8:17 pm

Are you that committed that you scroll, Calli? Don’t waste your time, girl

Yeah. Here we go.

Again.

But no-one could of predicted it, eh, bro?

Rosie
Rosie
September 3, 2024 10:04 pm

“Trans activist who threw tomato soup over a women’s rights campaigner has been CONVICTED of assault.”
I guess eminent jurist monty of Melbourne will be leading the appeal to the high court.
https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1830879484628939123?t=Rch0lvjPTuoRpj1zjpRyNQ&s=19

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 3, 2024 10:08 pm

Crazy stuff.

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94-year-old is the lone survivor of the USS Indianapolis sinking, Sgt. Edgar Harrell tells his story

Sgt. Edgar Harrell, is the last surviving Marine from the World War II sinking of the USS Indianapolis, the ship that carried the atomic bomb that would be dropped on Hiroshima to an airbase on Tinian Island. Four days after dropping off the bomb known as “Little Boy,” the ship was attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW7S0I-2xtU

Rosie
Rosie
September 3, 2024 10:12 pm

Isn’t the US system skewed to holding assets because company dividends are double taxed in the hands of shareholders?
Maybe a franking system might change that and get some people inside the tax system.

JC
JC
September 3, 2024 10:22 pm

Rosie

US corps get around the double tax issue by doing buy backs.

I think it’s a real shitty system because senior management abuse this.
All things being equal stock buy backs have the effect of potentially raising the stock price. Because C-suite are given a load of options, they’d rather use buy backs than raise dividends.

You’d never get imputation through the Congress because of the progressive mindset on the left there.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 3, 2024 10:24 pm

A funny note to go to bed on.

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Steve Inman:

Gangster Cat
https://rumble.com/v5dfmv5-gangster-cat.html?e9s=rel_v2_pr

Rosie
Rosie
September 3, 2024 10:30 pm

Wow. The ABC online newspaper managed to produce this entire article without mentioning the words islam or muslim
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-03/escaping-forced-marriage/104300310

Rosie
Rosie
September 3, 2024 10:50 pm

“The right to life is given to helpless animals, with no voice.
Humanity at its best.”
Really?
The goat and its kid would have been important assets to that village girl and her family and both would gave ended up in a pot.
Also why didn’t the photographer offer to help carry them?

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 3, 2024 11:02 pm

A council has hit back in the ultimate act of revenge after entitled residents in an affluent neighbourhood destroyed hundreds of trees to get better views of the harbour foreshore. 

More than 290 trees that surrounded properties in Woodford Bay Reserve in Longueville, in Sydney’s lower north shore were illegally chopped down in November 2023.  

Lane Cove Council was forced to clean up the damage and labelled the behaviour at the time as the ‘worst act of environmental vandalism’ in history.

Since then, residents with waterfront homes on Arabella Street have enjoyed unobstructed views of the iconic skyline and harbour

But those days will soon be over with the council going ahead with plans to erect a massive banner to block the views.

The seven-metre long and two-metre high barrier will include a sign that states ‘Trees shouldn’t die for a view,’.

Construction began this week when bags of cement were delivered to the site. The banner is expected to be erected within the next fortnight.

Daily Mail

JC
JC
September 3, 2024 11:06 pm

So the very wealthy can put off being taxed indefinitely by borrowing against their assets?

Within reason, because they’ll also hit a borrowing ceiling. Banks would typically lend perhaps 15% to 20% on stock valuation and more on real estate.

Buffet lives this way; he pays very little to no tax.

His salary at Berkshire is $100,000 pa.

His stockholding in the company is $150 billion, which he’s famously claimed has never sold. Buffet isn’t a big spender, but his lifestyle would cost more than the after-tax net of 100K

He borrows money against his stock, receives a deduction on the interest paid, and likely lives close to tax-free to a large extent. He once said he pays less tax than his secretary.

Indolent
Indolent
September 3, 2024 11:09 pm

@ImMeme0

HOLY FVCK!

A cop tells a citizen who is reporting a crime committed by an immigrant:

“I’ve arrested a double homicide suspect in this city before, I let him walk out the door because we’re sanctuary city.

We do not report illegals, undocumented immigrants.”

CITIZEN: “So you’re gonna let a person who went to prison, he committed crime in America, who’s illegal right now, you re gonna let him go free right now?”

OFFICER: “That’s exactly what I’m saying because we are sanctuary city”

This is going to be Harris’ America!

Indolent
Indolent
September 3, 2024 11:09 pm
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 3, 2024 11:20 pm

Imagine, if you will, a country so racist and a people so disadvantaged… that self-appointed CEOs have to enforce barriers to entry against the Pascoe Pretenders… who want in on the swag.

JC
JC
September 3, 2024 11:31 pm

Trembling chin , holding back tears. Wonderful sight.

German greens after loosing badly, not even making it into the parliament

KevinM
KevinM
September 4, 2024 1:48 am

About Mel Brooks’

===================

Mel Brooks wrote, directed and starred in some of the funniest movies of all time. He even wrote the music for them!

As a TV writer, working for Sid Caesar, Mel Brooks contributed to perhaps the funniest TV show. He then created “Get Smart,” one of the most popular TV comedies ever!

With Carl Reiner, he made some of the funniest recordings of all time.
And, as if that wasn’t enough, Mel Brooks wrote
one of the funniest Broadway musicals of all time.
As a performer, writer, composer, director and producer, Mel Brooks has created a comic legacy that will stand the test of time. And, at age 98 he is not even contemplating!ing retirement!

Celebrates 98th Birthday with ‘Spaceballs’ Sequel in Works

Brooks
KevinM
KevinM
September 4, 2024 1:51 am

Russian farmer and children in 1910.

farmer
KevinM
KevinM
September 4, 2024 1:59 am

No luck with the ladies?

He looks happy here.
Amos Cagle lived his life in and with nature, maybe he was contended that way and didn’t feel missing out?
Only he could answer that.

squirte
KevinM
KevinM
September 4, 2024 2:19 am

A big win but still no real political power for Alternative für Deutschland.

If you have the time, read it, it applies to all minor parties.
The main parties have the game sewn up.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 3:52 am

I was looking up a song and this popped into the feed. Check it out.

Ren – Hi Ren (Official Music Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_nc1IVoMxc

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:20 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:20 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:21 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:22 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:23 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:24 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:25 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:26 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:26 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 4:27 am
m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 4:38 am

Tucker Carlson had a Holocaust denier on to bad mouth Churchill, as part of a Russian campaign to white-ant American support for Ukraine.

Wonder if Cats will cancel him or not?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 4, 2024 4:54 am

JC
 September 3, 2024 11:31 pm

Trembling chin , holding back tears. Wonderful sight.

German greens after loosing badly, not even making it into the parliament

Correction.
Chins.
Plural.
But yes, the rising tide of salty Green tears will engulf us all.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 6:04 am

“My first objection here is to Cooper’s and Tucker’s strawmanning of WW2 historiography. Their claim that “we’re not allowed” to ask how economic and social conditions in Weimar Germany led to Hitler is ludicrous. This question is commonly explored in even the most pop versions.”
Tucker seems to be following Candace’s lead.

https://x.com/g_shullenberger/status/1831036369164173798?t=xxcY9luc9MQAs9kfTydePQ&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 6:07 am

I’d have thought Monty would be a fan boy of Tucker.
Denying military aid to Israel is the greatest wish of Hamasisis and their supporters.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 4, 2024 6:25 am

So Harwin has been harpooned at last. The club must be disbanded

Bungonia bee
Bungonia bee
September 4, 2024 6:41 am

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and the MSM does all three. Today’s lead story at the kiddies News website is a scare story that the 2024 presidential election is likely to be a rerun of 2020 in that it could become a repeat of the infamous J6. The article rehashes all the fake stuff about January 6th. Read it and weep.
I’ve said often that the USA may be beyond saving because there are too many bad actors in too many places. Unfortunately, this article shows that they walk, or at least write, among us here as well.

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 6:44 am

He goes for miles and miles and miles.

Queensland Premier uses government jet for 11-minute flight (Sky News, 4 Sep)

Queensland Premier Steven Miles has used the government jet for an 11-minute flight to celebrate a birthday.

He travelled from Hervey Bay to Bundaberg on Monday – presenting a cake to local MP Tom Smith.

Mr Miles seemingly opted to avoid using the Bruce Highway as concerns about the safety of the road increased.

That is pretty arrogant. First a government jet in stark hypocrisy in light of Labor’s climate weeping, and second he’s scared to go on the Bruce Highway because his government hasn’t fixed it.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 4, 2024 6:56 am

Queensland Premier uses government jet for 11-minute flight…

Knows his appalling “government” is going to get kicked in the goolies in the October election and is going to ride the horse into the ground anyway?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 4, 2024 7:05 am

Raygun is baaacck.

Wow, even after being told she’s crap by judges as Sancho said probably for the first time in her life, she still has no idea she’s crap. The woman has no idea of what self reflection is. Read and weep:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13808253/Raygun-breakdancer-Olympics-failure-interview.html

calli
calli
September 4, 2024 7:25 am

What has Tucker done now?

First “he” writes a letter to Kamala now he’s questioning something about Weimar Germany? I thought every schoolchild did a term on Weimar, but perhaps they’re too distracted by Babylon Berlin these days (which would fit in nicely with gender studies).

Tell me, tell me, MiniTrue.

Rabz
September 4, 2024 8:22 am

Manchester United 0-3 Liverpool

Watched 45 minutes of the highlights of that triumph on Monday night, BB. Always wonderful to see Man U get hammered at ol’ Trafford.

However, Man City are already looking unstoppable, with the Haaland burying goals left right and centre. Spurs were incredibly unlucky in their loss to the Toon. A rollicking start the season, nonetheless.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 4, 2024 8:24 am

Self-reflection is one thing- self-awareness is quite another- self-deprecation would be Raygun’s only route out of the hole, but it’s apparent that she simply lacks the common touch. Typical splinter-subject academic, really.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 4, 2024 8:27 am

North Shore, Macquarie uni say no more

Rabz
September 4, 2024 8:34 am

I want to know who these 3 eminent persons* are

If they’re true gliberals, hopefully the review of the NSW branch will begin with a collective dazed and confused pantsoff in a Memphis hotel lobby, to get the show on the road.

*Historical reference to Fraser’s fleeting status at the time.

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Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 8:34 am

I see the fat fascist fool getting excited about Tucker Carlson interviewing a Holocaust denier about Ukraine.

Oddly, the fat fascist fool is quite sanguine about, indeed seems happy with, leftard j’ismists interviewing lefturd anti-Semites about the Hamarse murders of Jews.

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2024 8:38 am

Agriculture Minister Julie Collins advised to tell sheep farmers export ban ‘will not be revisited’Dan Jervis-Bardy and Katina CurtisThe West Australian
Tue, 3 September 2024 4:35PM

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The Federal Agriculture Department advised new minister Julie Collins to tell farmers campaigning to save the live sheep export trade the matter was “settled” and the shutdown would not be “revisited”, secret documents reveal.
Keep the Sheep campaigners have rubbished the advice, declaring Labor was in “fantasy land” if it believed the fight was over.
The advice has emerged as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the $107 million transition package wasn’t intended to replace revenue from live exports but to make sure farmers could pivot their businesses to capitalise on new opportunities.
Ms Collins was put in charge of overseeing Labor’s controversial live sheep export shutdown after a cabinet reshuffle shifted the Tasmanian into the agriculture portfolio — a role she held in opposition.
The grassroots fight to save the trade did not end when laws to lock in a May 2028 end date passed Federal Parliament in July, with the cashed-up Keep the Sheep campaign turning their focus to blasting Labor out of power.
The Opposition has promised to repeal the ban if it wins the next election.
In briefing documents prepared for the newly-installed minister, obtained by The West under freedom of information, the department acknowledged the live export ban was a “polarising issue” in the agriculture industry.
It went on to advise Ms Collins on how to communicate the Government’s stance.

“We recommend that the key message for you to convey to all stakeholders is that the policy is now settled by the Government and that it will not be revisited,” the brief stated.
“With this certainty of government policy and four years of lead time, you could confirm that you wish to work with people impacted to access the transition package so that individuals can make decisions appropriate to their circumstances.”
Asked to respond to the department’s advice, Keep the Sheep spokesman Ben Sutherland told The West: “No, this policy is far from settled”.
“Farmers, truckies, agriculture workers and regional people are now left with a single choice: to campaign against bad policy at election time,” Mr Sutherland said.
“If the Government thinks it can dispose of our livelihoods and then declare it all done and dusted, they are very wrong.
“The Minister and Albo are living in fantasy land if they think this is settled.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 8:40 am

I want to know who these 3 eminent persons* are

Richard Alston, Alan Stockdale and Rob Stokes.

Federal Liberal Party stages takeover of NSW branch, sacks state executive in extraordinary intervention ahead of next election (Sky News, 3 Sep)

Rabz
September 4, 2024 8:41 am

perhaps they’re too distracted by Babylon Berlin

It’s very easy to become distracted by Liv Lisa Fries.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 8:57 am

Arrest them. Gaol them. Require them to pay the losses incurred.

Cruise ship cancels port visit due to climate protest (Tele, paywalled)

Climate protesters are gearing up for a 72-hour blockade of the Port of Newcastle, halting almost half a billion dollars in grain and coal exports and forcing cruise liners to cancel trips to the area.

Then once they get out of gaol deport them to Yemen.

Rabz
September 4, 2024 9:02 am

“Ya beddah thankah yoonyun membah, I tells ya!”

Barking mad.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 4, 2024 9:07 am

Tucker seems to be following Candace’s lead.

Tucker is 1000 times smarter than the Candace Owens ignoramus — you only have to hear her speak and you know there’s a lot of dumb among the sometimes smart.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 9:11 am

LOL.

Germany now has two populist parties, the “right” populist AfD is now joined by the left populist BSW.

Like Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, the BSW is named for its leader, Sahra Wagenknecht. Like One Nation, BSW is drawing votes away from the established left, by a combination of anti-woke policies on immigration and gender issues and a focus on the working class, long since abandoned by the established left parties for the taxpayer funded, tertiary credentialed upper middle class.

We live in interesting times.

shatterzzz
September 4, 2024 9:13 am

Watching a French gangster series (5 seasons) at the moment .. MAFIOSA The show is very poor, incredibly weak plotlines bolstered, occasionally, by lotza bloody mayhem but the standout is the 2 “stars” neither suited to their “mob boss” roles and being constantly upstaged (acting-wize) by the supporting cast ……
Watched season 1 and realised, even then, it was poor but, hopefully, figured that if it ran 5 seasons it had to get better .. Up to 4 and little, if any, improvement …. not recommended 4/10
MAFIOSA …..
mdb.com/title/tt0807686/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_7_nm_1_in_0_q_mafiosa

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bons
bons
September 4, 2024 9:15 am

I would be interested to see the Terms of Reference that Mr Credlin has presented the three NSW SFL reformers. Given that he is more Turnbull than Menzies I wouldn’t be holding my breath.

Will they smash the Photios/Keane climate crony networks?

Will they restore democracy to the branches and stay out of branch preselection?

Will they disendorse the head office appointed Photios cronies, especially the baby murder fan Kovacic?

Will they develop and present for review a new democratic constitution?

Will they boot Turnbull?

Will they depoove?

Of course not – the SFL has nothing to do with democracy. The three stooges only intetest will be administration.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2024 9:20 am

Wel, apropos those writing in reply to tree removal issues further up, l I am definitely NOT on any greenie Council’s side when it comes to trees and tree policies. One can bet the owners who took matters into their own hands (and good on them for displaying their anger) have spent years dismayed as small trees grew large and encroached on views they already had and which they had paid for in their property prices. What is most likely is that their Council has consistently refused to accommodate any canopy reduction. The situation probably wouldn’t not have involved much canopy removal at that stage and canopy removal, in spite of green howls, is not the end of trees, as Italy’s approach to pollarding and lopping demonstrates well. I don’t know the area but some lopping would not have ruined spatial amenity for park users. If people want tall forests, let them trek to forested areas or to parks where view obstruction is not an issue. Urban parks should not be what the greenies love to designate as ‘urban forests’ unless such a ‘forest’ is causing no local problems. Their ‘forest’ can include your back garden. I hope that people being outragiously outraged in the replies about these people’s tree problems find an imposed Council recycling plant one day next door to their BBQ verndahs, scattering them with smashed up debris. And I hope those ‘shaming’ banners get the treatment they deserve.

Reporting such as that Daily Mail article, that reinforces the ‘shaming’ of people at the endof their tether mounting resistance by direct action to mad green amenity-destroying policies should be called out for what it is and does. It is part of the anti-civilisational problem.

Case in point, here’s another thorn now added to the many currently in my side. By Council dictate, and even after presenting our case with more data in a formal appeal after an initial flat refusal, we are unable to remove two palms now pushing up very close to our verandah on our own property on a block that contributes far more than usual for suburban gardens to their much touted ‘urban forest’. On our 800 plus metres we nurture eight huge trees and numerous smaller ones. The palms are not in any other public view. Being palms they are unable to be lopped or they die, and they are causing us a significant mosquito hazard when sitting out, because insect bites are very problematic for Hairy’s cellulitis. He must avoid these bites at all costs or he risks being infected and hospitalised. These two palms, part of a group of seven, also are beginning obscure what now remains of a once much wider harbour view that we and many other properties further up our hill enjoyed before Council street trees further down took half of it out; street trees that in previous times were kept well lopped but which now have large unwieldy tall corms rising into a non-natural looking swaying ‘canopy’.

After this decision to our appeal, we’ve even considered selling up while we still have some views, even though we are very happy to grow old ‘in place’ here as the apartment suits us well. Our small issue is just part of a larger problem arising in recent years due to green insanity setting into local councils. Every leaf should NOT be sacred. The greater issue is what is happening to farmers and farmland and traditional public vistas due to Net Zero tree planting impositions, as well as Bowen’s destructive lunacies.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 9:21 am

Government stress showing as economy starts to falter

Editorial, The Australian, 3 September 2024

An unmistakeable air of confusion and looming crisis has engulfed the federal government on the economic front with inflation still too high, growth stalling and big business reeling at the impact of industrial relations reforms and the whip hand they deliver to unions. By lashing out at the Reserve Bank over interest rate policy, Jim Chalmers has effectively sought to shoot the messenger. His claims on Monday that there was nothing new in his comments that the economy was being “smashed” by the RBA’s tough line on rates told only half the story. The Treasurer failed to acknowledge the RBA’s hand was increasingly being forced by high levels of public sector spending from federal and state governments, with more to come. The federal budget remains in structural deficit with a sharp rise in borrowing over the forward estimates. Lifting rates to crush demand is the RBA’s only weapon to rein in inflation. Its job is being made more difficult by government. And the pain is being disproportionately shifted to the private sector, where company failures are at a high level and unemployment is rising.

Subsidised power bills, higher welfare and rent assistance, more care economy workers and subsidised wages might ease the immediate pain for some people. But it will only make the RBA’s job more difficult.

Big business has belatedly joined the dots on what the federal government’s IR policies entail and has started to push back. As we report on Tuesday, Workplace Relations Minister Murray Watt will hold crisis talks with frustrated West Australian mining companies and business chiefs to ease concerns about dire economic consequences triggered by Labor’s multi-employer bargaining and same job, same pay rules. After meeting union officials on Monday, Senator Watt will convene a business roundtable on Tuesday where he will seek to allay fears that unions will use multi-employer bargaining laws to undermine the Pilbara mining region. WA business leaders claim the union movement is moving to re-unionise the Pilbara with pattern bargaining in a throwback to the dysfunction of the 1980s. The result is likely to be less investment, a less productive economy and continued higher inflation.

Dr Chalmers’ latest attack on the RBA is a recognition that economic growth is faltering. Stung by criticism of the comments, the federal government sent mixed signals. Assistant Immigration Minister Matt Thistlethwaite said: “We don’t want to see the Reserve Bank go too far, we want to make sure that we do continue to grow as an economy and, importantly, the people remain in employment.” Anthony Albanese later said: “The Reserve Bank, of course, is independent, and so we don’t tell the Reserve Bank what to do.” The problems for the government are reflected in the latest Newspoll, where the Prime Minister’s personal approval rating has fallen to its equal lowest level since he took office.

The bad news for Peter Dutton is that voters are not convinced the Coalition would do a better job on the economy, with only a quarter of voters believing inflation would be lower under the Coalition, while 18 per cent ­believe it would be higher. Both sides must act quickly to lift their game. Labor must take seriously the likely impact its IR changes will have across the economy. And the Coalition must put forward a plan to convince voters it has the answers to improve productivity and grow the economic pie.

Failure to do so will only increase the chances of a hung parliament, in which the Greens will have a stronger hand to push their economy-wrecking ideas on housing, mining and retail.

“Labor must take seriously the likely impact its IR changes will have across the economy.”

Little chance of that as Labor is beholden to its union masters.

“And the Coalition must put forward a plan to convince voters it has the answers to improve productivity and grow the economic pie.”

Memo to Peter Dutton: It’s the economy, stupid.

shatterzzz
September 4, 2024 9:22 am

Winter gas bill just in .. Bloody hell! .. in comparison to the same period last year almost the same usage but $100 more due to increase(s) ..
This year .. $3.64 mj
Last year .. $2.88 mj

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 4, 2024 9:23 am

Rabz, … is that Peter Dinklage?

Rabz
September 4, 2024 9:29 am

two palms now pushing up very close to our verandah on our own property

Lizzie, just get Hairy to kill the bloody things. Hammer one of those toxic nails into each trunk. A pity you raised it with the council, though. I’m still very happy about killing that bloody frangipani in my backyard and very glad I didn’t bother seeking the advice of my beloved local clowncil. They never needed to know in the first place.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 9:42 am

The West is trapped in a morality debate on immigration. It’s time for a big shift.

Konstantin Kisin, The Australian, 3 September 2024

Earlier this year, at a small private gathering of political and media leaders in Australia, I was asked what advice I might have for Australians with the power to shape their nation’s future. I had explained that while Australia was not as advanced as Britain and America in terms of its cultural malaise, it does appear to be on the same downward trajectory.

Having dispensed with the standard British response that I have no idea why any of them should listen to my opinion, I proceeded with the standard Russian response of telling them exactly what I think, as bluntly as possible: “The most important thing you can do for the future of your society is not allow immigration to become a moral issue!”

On the surface, this might appear to be a strange and somewhat esoteric response. Surely what politicians need to do is “take control of the border”, ensure “border security” and “stop the boats”?

These populist slogans are great for retail politics and allow charismatic anti-immigration politicians such as Nigel Farage and Donald Trump to win votes. But no matter how many votes they win, culturally the fight for a sensible immigration policy is still being lost. Why? Because immigration is no longer seen as a policy issue. It has become a matter of morality.

I recently appeared on the BBC program Moral Maze, in which I attempted to elicit from an academic his view of the negative trade-offs of mass immigration. I might as well have asked him about the negative trade-offs of curing cancer.

Of the very few skills I have to my name, understanding how to win a debate is, perhaps, one I can claim without false modesty. And I can tell you that as long as this framing is accepted in public discourse, those of us who want a sensible immigration policy will keep losing.

What most people fail to understand is you do not win debates with arguments – you win by setting the frame. You saw the power of this technique during Covid with your own eyes – all the authorities had to do was set the frame correctly and your fellow citizens abandoned reason and rationality in the blink of an eye. How did they do it, exactly?

In a battle, the deciding factor between comparable armies is often the territory on which the fight happens. A general who is able to place his troops in an advantageous position will usually win, even against a bigger, more powerful army.

This is how Edward the Black Prince secured victory in the Battle of Poitiers or, for a more contemporary reference, how a small number of Spartans were able to hold back a Persian horde in the Battle of Thermopylae on which the movie 300 is based. The same is true of a debate.

The frame is the set of unspoken assumptions that determine how the conversation happens. Whoever controls the frame controls the way the debate goes. During the pandemic, the framing was simple: all deaths from Covid are unacceptable and since all deaths from Covid are unacceptable, this is the only thing we must all focus on.

Notice how nobody ever said this out loud. Politicians never went on TV and said “the only thing that matters is Covid deaths and our goal is to reduce them to zero” because if they had, a lot of sensible people would have asked questions about how reasonable and realistic that was.

Instead, they simply acted like it was self-evident that reducing Covid deaths was the only thing that mattered, and before long so did everyone else. This is why perfectly good arguments about proportionality, personal liberty and bodily autonomy had absolutely no impact on public policy outside Sweden and a handful of US states.

Once you have drilled into people’s heads that the only thing we ought to focus on is the number of people who die from Covid, all else follows.

The reason the debate about immigration is as absurd as it is in the Western world is that we are operating within a morality-based framing of the issue. As long as we continue to do so, we will continue to lose.

What is the frame? “Immigration is a good thing. Therefore, anyone who opposes immigration is a bad person.” Once this framing is set, arguments are largely irrelevant. You can quote statistics, facts and figures till you’re blue in the face, but all you’ll ever be is an angry racist using numbers to support your immoral position. The only way to win this debate is to break the frame.

The correct framing of this issue, like any other, is that immigration policy is a slider. You move it to the left when you need more immigration and you move it to the right when you want less. Most Western countries have gone through periods when they were absolutely desperate for more people to come.

Australia responded to the end of WWII by deciding it must increase its population to avoid the threat of another invasion, and launched an immigration program under the slogan “populate or perish”.

Britain, too, increased migration after the war, encouraging colonial people to take jobs that could not be filled by British people. Canada, the US and many European countries have encouraged migration within living memory for perfectly good reasons.

In other words, the attempt to present the history of our countries as one continual process of moving from a restrictionist past to a progressive utopia is not just inaccurate, it is purposefully misleading. This framing deliberately conceals the reality that the right level of immigration varies over time. It is therefore unwise and counter-productive to argue “against immigration” or “for immigration”.

The correct frame is that immigration is good when it is good and bad when it is bad. And, as before, all else follows. Once this framing is accepted, winning the remaining argument becomes simple. If immigration policy is about making sure immigration is beneficial to our country, the correct number of illegal immigrants is zero.

The arguments often made in the US about illegal immigrants doing jobs no one wants are patently absurd – many of the people who are desperate to do those jobs are waiting patiently for their visa application to be approved and the only reason people enter the US illegally is that they know they won’t be allowed in.

In other words, illegal immigration is not beneficial to a country. As for legal immigration, once you accept that the quantity and type of people allowed to come should depend on how beneficial they are likely to be to our country given the current circumstances, the argument becomes even simpler. After decades of unprecedented levels of immigration, it is time to pause.

Notice that you’ve heard all these arguments before. But in a new frame, they land differently: Britain is not against immigration. Britons do not hate immigrants. We, in fact, envisage circumstances in which we may well be delighted to welcome more people here: I am proud that Britain has offered refuge to people fleeing Chinese tyranny in Hong Kong and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What we are for is a sensible immigration policy – one that fits the realities of the present time.

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calli
calli
September 4, 2024 9:49 am

I have a different view (chortle) about people chainsawing trees on public land, including the harbour foreshore.

The trees may not look particularly large, but some of them are quite old.

Their crime? Being alive and impeding a view that the owner knew would be impeded when they built the house.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 9:54 am

She could say the same thing about Labor here.

Harris-Biden inner circle have almost no business experience — no wonder Americans are hurting (3 Sep) by Miranda Devine

Although in Labor’s case she could delete the word “almost”.

calli
calli
September 4, 2024 9:58 am

Just to add…most of you know how much I despise councils and the arguments I’ve had over the years with them about trees on privately owned land.

Recklessly chopping down trees on fragile harbour rockfaces? Different story.

But hey! Let’s be like every other miserable built out city in the world. Lord knows I’ve sailed into enough of them.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 10:05 am

Failure to do so will only increase the chances of a hung parliament, in which the Greens will have a stronger hand to push their economy-wrecking ideas on housing, mining and retail.

Not confident that Dutton has any acceptable economic plan on the drawing board: productivity is the issue – leading in to industry policy, industrial relations, red/green/black tape, and immigration. Oh, and energy.

All complex, shitstorm issues.

The last time the Greens had their hands on the tiller, they effectively destroyed the Gillard Government.

Arguably, our best hope is supply not guaranteed because Labor learned from that, faces down Bandt and the Teals – and back to the polls. Hopefully to a now worried electorate.

Unfortunately all I can see is Albanese’s greasy face explaining ‘peace in our time’ with an ALP/Green coordination agreement.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 4, 2024 10:10 am

As Alan Jones said of councils, ‘a.magnet for the untalented and self important’

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 10:28 am

Not confident that Dutton has any acceptable economic plan on the drawing board: productivity is the issue – leading in to industry policy, industrial relations, red/green/black tape, and immigration. Oh, and energy.

Best not to overestimate the Liberals in my experience.

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Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 10:42 am

mounting resistance by direct action to mad green amenity-destroying policies should be called out for what it is and does. It is part of the anti-civilisational problem.

Lefturds in general, and the Slime in particular are all for “direct action”, until the action is against any of their pet obsessions.

calli
calli
September 4, 2024 10:44 am

By the way, if anyone wants to know the Stealth Method of tree removal…please don’t ask me. Or contact Dover to ask me.

That would be illegal and unfair to our host. 😀

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 10:45 am

Immigration is a working class issue – and it needs representation

Jordan Knight, The Spectator (Australian ed.) 4 September 2024

My dad was a union man. He was the secretary for the Plumbers Union Queensland, and I spent a good part of my early life at May Day rallies and protests. Quite literally, as a toddler I sat on the shoulders of giants: hard-working family men and women, marching through the streets in solidarity, and fighting for their stake in this wonderful country.

When I’d go back to kindergarten the next day, I’d get the other kids to join in union chants. Shouting with my fist in the air at passing cars, I didn’t really understand what the words meant, only that it was about the little guy taking on the big guy. This sentiment has stuck with me ever since. It’s guided me my whole life.

Back then the union movement, and the Labor Party, meant something. Today it is a shadow of its former self. Speaking to friends who work in the trade industry – indeed those who have been union delegates themselves – they feel as disconnected from those at the top of their movement, as much as they do from politics itself. They no longer feel represented any more. This is a problem that is broadly playing out across Australia; instead of battling the political class, Labor has become the political class. They stopped caring about the little guy.

There’s too many examples of this abandonment to count – from vaccine mandates to the Voice to Parliament referendum, to name a couple of recent ones – but to me the biggest betrayal of the Labor Party has been on immigration.

Labor – the supposed party for the working class – brought in 737,000 people last year. I personally know people who were evicted from their homes due to the subsequent rent hikes that followed. They were thrown to the street because landlords could get a better price in the rental market, overheating with international students, foreign workers and their family members. Almost all of my friends saw their rent go up and their dreams of owning a home and starting a family pushed further into the horizon, perhaps never to happen.

I know young workers who – when borders were shut for Covid and workers went home – saw their pay go up while companies were desperate for workers. Now that the government has brought in 1.15 million people in, real wages are back to 2009 levels. Put another way, our wages have gone backwards in 15 years. Labor was built on the back of men and women fighting for better wages, where has that fight gone?

Immigration is largely a working class issue. It disproportionately affects workers, especially those who are just getting started in their career, those in precarious positions, and those struggling to get ahead. If you’re a young person just out of school or a punter just trying to find a job, any job: be it a truckie, hospitality worker, anything, you are competing with more migrants than ever before. With so many people fighting for so few jobs, bosses can give the job to whoever is willing to work for less.

This is no small problem, the ability to earn good money, save up, live a good life and invest in your future is what this country was built on. We were a country of battlers and strivers, who worked hard, pinched pennies, made ends meet, maybe had a drink on Friday, got back to work on Monday, and kept the country moving forward. But if you can no longer get ahead despite all your hard work, if it takes 12 years to save for a house instead of four, if your wages won’t save up for anything meaningful, and you can’t even afford a bit of fun on the weekend, what is it all for? Why care about a country that doesn’t care about you?

Where are the unions? Where is the Labor Party? In fact, where is the Liberal Party? The tragedy isn’t just that Labor no longer represents the good, honest hard hard-working people that make up Australia. It’s that nobody represents them. The Liberal Party, perhaps too comfortable with big businesses and big universities, won’t sufficiently stand up for them. These guys might scream black and blue about taxes, but there is no bigger tax on workers than mass immigration.

While more Australians go homeless, many more will become politically homeless. This is a failure of Australian democracy, and it will lead to the failure of Australia if not remedied.

Jordan Knight is Adviser to Independent NSW MP Rod Roberts, runs Migration Watch Australia, and is Director of National Conservative Institute of Australia.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 4, 2024 10:49 am

Re councils- going back to not paying councillors might keep some of the careerists away

Arky
September 4, 2024 10:49 am

Never understood the “water views” thing.
Whenever the missus has dragged me kicking and screaming to a holiday with a view of the ocean I always found the view depressing.
As for purchasing property near a beach, you’d have to be a lunatic to take on that extra maintenance.
I’ll admit it makes some sense if you like fishing, but I don’t get why you want to have a bloody stupid great body of water constantly in view when you can just drive a few kilometres and there it is whenever you want.
I liked working in Lyttelton which had harbour views on every street, but that was because it was a working port and there was always something interesting to see, even if it was the mad dash by the oldest and ugliest local whores down the wharf to greet the latest docking.

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 4, 2024 10:54 am

Test 1,2. 

Lawgi Dawes hall, Burnett Highway, CQ.

Blue Hills Novice Draft. 

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 4, 2024 10:57 am

“It has been almost 50 years since the miracle Entebbe rescue mission.  It has been a bit over 50 years since the 1972 Munich massacres.
Israel’s policy for many years was simple: we do not negotiate with terrorists.
The Shalit deal in 2006 broke that mold.  This when Gilad Shalit was traded for over 1,000 Palestinian terrorists.  Many of these terrorists went on to commit other anti-Israel acts of terror.  I do not have the number of acts that they facilitated, but it is no small number.
Israel’s enemies have changed, and so has Israel.  Hamas is much better funded than even 20 years ago.  The Iranians and Qatar have provided Hamas with more advanced weaponry and funds to hire and train fighters.  With Gaza as the world’s largest bankrupt welfare state, Hamas provides the income to young people and families to survive.  This must end.
The cruelty and depravity of Hamas need not be recited here.  They are the worst of the worst, and, in my humble opinion, the policy of total destruction of the line fighters and leaders is the only path for Israel.  The Munich solution (which created a lot of problems for Israel) is the only solution.  Now Israel needs to cripple the money highway that funds Hamas.  This is a political problem and, I admit, a difficult one.
But a fifth column has developed in Israel that wants a deal with Hamas at any price.  The families of the hostages and the leftist unions have organized a protest machine that threatens to bring down the wartime government.  They want a Shalit deal, but even worse.  Besides releasing (let’s guess) 2,000 committed terrorists, they want Bibi to give the Philadelphi Corridor back to the Gazan/Hamasniks so they can keep the rockets and munitions moving through the tunnels from Egypt.  This is insanity.”
Are the citizens of Israel failing their leaders? – American Thinker

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 4, 2024 11:02 am

Attn Dover

I wish to revert to an earlier call sign. Another attempt at 10.54am today. Further supplication sent to Catallaxy protonmail. 

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 11:15 am

Melancholy.

Such a beautiful voice and song that pulls the heart strings.

—–

Dido – The Day Before The Day (Short Film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfP9MFb12VI

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 4, 2024 11:24 am

Thanks Dover.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 11:40 am

They just love him.

—–

Do the LIONS Remember Kevin Richardson? | The Lion Whisperer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcFSGahC_uk

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2024 11:47 am

On trees, the undergrounding of power in Perth has seen previously tightly pruned Queensland Box trees head skyward. Last years six months without rain claimed a lot of them.

m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 11:48 am

Tucker’s interview with MartyrMade was very good. Listened to most of it yesterday and knew it was going to be incendiary.

Yeah he’s a real piece of work, that guy.

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Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 4, 2024 11:50 am

Russia is now the second largest supplier of gas to the EU, after Norway.
Not directly of course, but through the Turkstream pipelines.
The US is third.

In other news, Volkswagen is about to shut down plants in Germany, for the first time in 87 years.
300,000 employees in Germany, but they aren’t shutting them all down, yet.

How are those sanctions going?
Pretty well for the US, not so well for those under the EU yoke.
Not to worry, there will be at least one more attempt to start a nuclear war.
It sucks to be Europe, coz they will wear the blasts, not the US.

Politics:
Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski, (of “thank you USA” fame, after the attack on Nordstream), says Poland should be allowed to shoot down Russian missiles over Ukraine.
The Norwegian shoemaker, still under a desk at NATO HQ, quickly sent him the message, to shut the f&ck up!

Morsie
Morsie
September 4, 2024 11:56 am

What is it about some of our conservative populist.Carlson chapioning a historian who says we are not allowed to talk about the causes of [email protected] discussion of the effects of the WW1 armistice have been around for ever.Do these people have the memory of a goldfish?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 12:04 pm

“We are on a mission from GOD”

(- :

——

Blues Brothers’ Restaurant Ruckus | The Blues Brothers 4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0etJHtEmG4E

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 12:49 pm

I’m not going to listen to MartyrMade, he’s made it clear that he would have preferred Hitler to have beaten the allies in WWII and is also anti Christian.
I don’t know when I learnt about life under the Weimar Republic but I am certainly aware of the circumstances that lead to Hitler.
As for the throw away that Hitler had to have death camps because there were too many prisoners to look after.
Simple solution, don’t take all the Jews, Roma, Slavs, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc prisoner.
It’s revolting nonsense.
The Germans were systemically killing disabled people from 1939.
They started the death camps because the Jews weren’t dying quickly enough in the ghettos and the Einsatzgruppen were having mental health problems from operating mobile killing machines.
There were huge labour shortages in Germany during the war, it’s why they stripped France of its young men, they could have put more Russian POWs to work on German farms if food shortages were the real problem in ‘prisoner management’
And of course all roads lead to the Jews for certain people, thats very very clear in the replies to anyone critiquing the claims. In fact anyone disagreeing with the new version gets called a Jew.
Blatant, disgusting hatred.
Blaming Churchill or even world war two for current degeneracy (which isn’t as widespread as some people seem to think) despite its prominence in the media cycle is nuts.
Personally I think the rot started in the the 16th century and accelerated at the end of the 18th.
.

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 12:51 pm

Haha, idly looked at abc.net.au for the first time in a year or so, found this…

Lithium-ion batteries in laptops, e-rideables pose new dangers to firefighters (3 Sep)

Country firefighters say the changing nature of modern house fires — including a growing number sparked by lithium-ion batteries — is putting them in increasing danger.

Figures from Western Australia’s Department of Fire and Emergency Services show e-rideables have become the main source of battery fires in the state. …

Across Australia, it is estimated state emergency services responded to more than 1,000 fires caused by these batteries in 2023.

I suspect ABC reporterette Ms Samantha Goerling is about to have a session in Room 101 for climate wrongthink.

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Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 12:57 pm

People commenting about the denuding of the foreshore in Lane Cove clearly didn’t read Calli’s informed comment about it being an established area of mature trees or view the footage of what was done to a public park.
It was stripped bare or vegetation. Trees and shrubs all gone, a large area taken back to bare soil.
Trees don’t grow indefinitely, and if they were there when you bought your property, bad luck.
It’s a problem in coastal Victoria and even in Williamstown along the river someone has poisoned a couple of mature trees on public land because they felt entirely to an unimpeded view.

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Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 1:09 pm

“Still, the claim is more that discussion that challenges the accepted narrative finds a more difficult reception rather than there is no discussion”
Yes,the claim is basically that the Jews control the narrative and that’s why it needs to be challenged something something.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 1:12 pm

Blaming Churchill or even world war two for current degeneracy

Hitler was quite tolerant of degeneracy.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 1:16 pm

Doesn’t seem to be relevatory in academic circles.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43910356

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 1:24 pm

A lesson still not leant. Don’t go to war with countries that supply your food.
And don’t turn your farmers into soldiers.
https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/naval-blockade-of-germany/

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2024 1:38 pm

Private messages support claim of an orchestrated campaign: lawyer

Paul Garvey
Brittany Higgins and David Sharaz “mocked” Linda Reynolds after the senator was hospitalised in the wake of Ms Higgins going public with her allegation that she was raped by a co-worker in Senator Reynolds’ Parliament House office.
Senator Reynolds’ lawyer Martin Bennett told the WA Supreme Court on Wednesday that private messages exchanged between Ms Higgins and her now-husband Sharaz supported the senator’s claim that the pair engaged in an orchestrated campaign to hurt Senator Reynolds and bring down the Morrison government.
Those messages included some exchanged after the senator was admitted to hospital and spent weeks on leave after the stress of the situation exacerbated the senator’s heart issues.
One of those messages, Mr Bennett said, read ‘Wow she’s done. You don’t take three weeks and come back’.

m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 1:46 pm

Tucker Carlson’s interview with Darryl Cooper a.k.a. MartyrMade is part of an ongoing campaign by Russian interests to undermine western support for Ukraine.

Specifically, the line being pushed here is that the West are the imperialist aggressors, not Russia who just want their Soviet homelands back, and modern leaders should appease Putin like Chamberlain did for Hitler. Let the Muscovites have their liebensraum, they say, it’s the Ukes who are the real fascists, don’t be like that nasty Churchill who was on the side of the *tap nose* globalists, if you know what they mean.

You would have to be a tankie and/or thick in the head not to see what is going on here.

m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 1:50 pm

Still, the claim is more that discussion that challenges the accepted narrative finds a more difficult reception rather than there is no discussion.

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

Anyone claiming a fresh viewpoint on WWII is merely trying to exhume losing arguments that bit the dust decades ago.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 2:10 pm

“Tucker Carlson’s interview with Darryl Cooper a.k.a. MartyrMade is part of an ongoing campaign by Russian interests to undermine western support for Ukraine.”
Really?
I suppose you came up with that yourself.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 4, 2024 2:10 pm

Sky News Daytime: “… we are used to seeing temperatures of 29-30 in December-January but not in September.”
(I would have thought 29-30 in December or January is pretty mild!)
And it’s not like September as a whole will be 29-30. So far just a couple of days.
When will commentators wake up to the fact that we are governed more by wind direction than “climate change” – it blows to Sydney hot from the North, or Norwest, and cold from South or South-West.

calli
calli
September 4, 2024 2:13 pm

Lawgi Dawes-Hall

Ha! I see what you mean about an “Adelaide name”!

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 2:14 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2024 2:22 pm

It seems to me to be utter lunacy to deliberately plant out large areas of Australian countryside, especialy that already cleared, with petrol-type gum trees. Every fifteen to twenty years they will go up in a great conflagration, that will emit into the atmosphere all the CO2 they have harnessed into their growth. It’s called the carbon cycle. They could plant scatters of oak and elm in the colder regions if they feel they absolutely have to plant anything.

Nice green pastures are far better for capturing and storing CO2 without burn offs than native gums, with the added advantage that pastures can be eaten by cattle who produce what the world needs now, i.e. the paleo diet is proving so beneficial – huge chunks of meat for all!

All of these CO2 ‘Accountants’ in la la land toting up national outputs towards some mythical net zero are totally up themselves anyway. They should go and get a real job and stop being such a nuisance irritating others and ruining the planet, not saving it.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 4, 2024 2:28 pm

Specifically, the line being pushed here is that the West are the imperialist aggressors, not Russia who just want their Soviet homelands back

Not the homelands, just a defendable border. Between the Dnieper and the foothills of Moscow there is nothing defendable ( which is why Barbarossa was a rip roaring success – until the German army hit Moscow) .Peter Zeihan, who is no friend of Russia has made this point since the SMO started. This is also emphasized by the Terrain episode on the operational art of war series.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 2:31 pm

Yep. He’s my kind of objective guy.
So sad that Israel had Iron Dome.
It’s as if Gaza was just sitting there, minding it’s own business while evil Israel just attacked it.

https://x.com/rhapsodyboard/status/1830958736061669729?t=DsxDVPRmvGMr-mi7ycXmeg&s=19

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 4, 2024 2:39 pm

Renewable Fiasco: If Germany just kept nuclear power, it could have saved $600b and cut emissions by 73%Germany already had nuclear power in 2002, if they just kept it and didn’t build all the wind and solar plants, they wouldn’t have had to spend 697 Billion Euro on subsidies, and would have cut their emissions by 73% more.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 4, 2024 2:44 pm

Chicago Resident Issues Chilling Warning to Armed Venezuelan Gangs After They Overtake Apartment Complex in the Windy City (VIDEO)Brutal gang wars may soon be on the horizon in Chicago thanks to border czar Kamala Harris’ intentional dereliction of duty. As The Gateway Pundit reported Libs of Tik Tok shared , a shocking 911 call on X that revealed 32 armed Venezuelan migrants were attempting to overtake an apartment complex in Chicago last night.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 4, 2024 2:45 pm

Lawgi Dawes-Hall… dinkum?
It’s nearly as good as Slartibartfast or Psmith.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
September 4, 2024 2:51 pm

Have I got this right? Flood economy with money. Change mind and think this has downsides because inflation takes off and everybody’s super and savings go backwards. Get RBA to jack up interest rates to stop proles spending money. Then whinge and blame RBA when people to stop spending money because they have none (while
awarding self cost of living pay rises). Good work if you can get it. Top men.

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 4, 2024 2:53 pm

calli

September 4, 2024 2:13 pm

Thanks!

Top little spot to stretch your legs, by the by.

About 15 k’s on is one of my favourite town names, Thangool. I’m sure something Adelaide could be made of that fella, too.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 2:57 pm

I’m travelling to the UK at the end of the month.

The best deal with QANTAS was nearly 70% more expensive than my fare with Finnair.

Finnair code shares with QANTAS.

On my trip, QANTAS is the carrier BNE – SIN. Finnair is the carrier SIN – Copenhagen – Manchester. Return from LHR is all QANTAS, QF2 and QF52.

Leprechaun magic.

LB2
LB2
September 4, 2024 3:13 pm

From Winston Smith at 2:39 pm

Renewable Fiasco: If Germany just kept nuclear power, it could have saved $600b and cut emissions by 73%Germany already had nuclear power in 2002, if they just kept it and didn’t build all the wind and solar plants, they wouldn’t have had to spend 697 Billion Euro on subsidies, and would have cut their emissions by 73% more.

If only the SFL would bombard Bowen with questions based on this article from Jo Nova’s site

calli
calli
September 4, 2024 3:18 pm

I was amused to watch Catriona Rowntree on Sky last night whingeing about the new battery slated for the property next door.

Don’t get me wrong…the thing is a swindle.

But I would like to know her attitude to “renewables” prior to the project. I have a suspicion, but would be happy to be proved wrong. The previous silence is as good an indicator as any.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 3:23 pm

Lizzie

the added advantage that pastures can be eaten by cattle who produce what the world needs now

Producing vegetable-based meat without the need for heavy processing.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 3:30 pm

Flying long distance in economy is an exercise in endurance, it’s impossible to sleep properly sitting up, and remaining in more or less the same position for over 12 hours is a minor form of torture.
I got through once again by watching TV, first the entire season four of True Detectives, sort of okay but too much girl power and extra judicial executions (apparently women killing men who kill women is acceptable) then a season and a bit of Blue Light, a Belfast based police series where once again 50kg dripping wet females got punched hard in the nose by male criminals and after wiping the blood off were back to work.
Though other than the silliness of skinny little girl cops it wasn’t a bad series.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2024 3:34 pm

Senator from Louisiana, old bloke called Kennedy who was very popular when we were there, has a good take on the future under Kamala.

Just love hearing that accent again too.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2024 3:39 pm

‘Every paragraph’ of Higgins’ statement was wrong: lawyer

Brittany Higgins‘ $2.445 million payout from the Commonwealth was based on a statement of particulars that was “demonstrably false”, Linda Reynolds‘ lawyer says.
Martin Bennett has described the particulars put forward by Ms Higgins’s team ahead of the mediation talks with the Commonwealth as a “mishmash of errors” and “complete rubbish”.
“Every paragraph in these particulars is wrong, other than the fact an election was called on the 11th of April,” Mr Bennett said.
The particulars described the alleged mishandling of Ms Higgins’ rape allegations by Senator Linda Reynolds and the Commonwealth. Senator Reynolds has said she was frozen out of the process and was denied the opportunity to defend herself in the matter.“
There was, and there remains, something untoward about that settlement, of that nature, for a civil claim, and especially when the particulars almost without exception, except for the fact that an election was called, were all false,” Mr Bennett said.
Ms Higgins’ lawyer Rachael Young SC has cited Senator Reynolds’ attempts to highlight issues with that settlement, including her leaking of documents related to the matter to The Australian’s Janet Albrechtsen, showed that the senator had in fact been harassing her client.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 3:53 pm

“Tucker Carlson’s interview with Darryl Cooper a.k.a. MartyrMade is part of an ongoing campaign by Russian interests to undermine western support for Ukraine.”

Or maybe Carlson just needs the eyeballs.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2024 3:58 pm

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

Is it because you truly are a Nazi and want discussion over? Or is it because you never leave your basement (there’s online books ya know) or you just don’t read? Or all three (most likely).

You’ve never heard of Doris Bergen, Canadian academic who has written 11 editions (most recently published in 2017) on the Holocaust? Or how about her 2023 work on Military Chaplains and Hitler? Or what about Kazakhstan in World War II, written in 2022?
Or In 2016, Norman Ohler published Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany, which explores the widespread use of methamphetamines among German soldiers during World War II. Also in 2016, Robert Gerwarth released The Vanquished: Why the First World War Failed to End, 1917-1923, a book that, while focused on the post-WWI period, offers crucial context for understanding the origins of World War II.

2017, saw the publication of Odd Arne Westad’s The Cold War: A World History, which provides insights into how the aftermath of World War II shaped the global Cold War. Gerhard L. Weinberg’s updated edition of A World at Arms: A Global History of World War II also came out in 2017, offering a comprehensive overview of the conflict on a global scale.

In 2018, James Holland published The Allies Strike Back, 1941-1943, a detailed narrative of the Allied forces’ efforts during the critical years of World War II. That same year, Craig L. Symonds released World War II at Sea: A Global History, which provides a thorough analysis of naval operations and their impact on the war’s outcome.

2019 brought Yuval Noah Harari’s Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, a book that, while not exclusively about World War II, includes a discussion of the war within the broader context of human history. Brendan Simms also published Hitler: A Global Biography in 2019, offering an extensive account of Hitler’s life and actions with a global perspective.

In 2020, Erik Larson’s The Splendid and the Vile: A Saga of Churchill, Family, and Defiance During the Blitz focused on Winston Churchill’s leadership during the Blitz. Another significant work from 2020 is Evan Thomas’s Road to Surrender: Three Men and the Countdown to the End of World War II, a gripping account of the final days of World War II leading to Japan’s surrender.

In 2021 the release of Geoffrey Wheatcroft’s Churchill’s Shadow: The Life and Afterlife of Winston Churchill, a critical examination of Churchill’s life and legacy, including his role in World War II. Additionally, Brendan Simms and Charlie Laderman co-authored Hitler’s American Gamble: Pearl Harbor and Germany’s March to Global War in 2021, offering a fresh perspective on the impact of Pearl Harbor on the global conflict.

In 2022, Richard Overy published Blood and Ruins: The Last Imperial War, 1931-1945, presenting a new interpretation of World War II as an imperial conflict rather than a traditional great power war. Robert D. Spector’s To the Last Man: The Battle of Okinawa, 1945, also published in

Tobias Berndt’s The Postwar Moment: Militaries, Masculinities, and International Peacekeeping, 1946–1960 was released in 2023, examining how World War II shaped postwar peacekeeping efforts and gender roles in the military.

Also in 2023, Adam Tooze’s updated edition of The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy includes new material on the Nazi economy during the war.

Finally, in 2024, Antony Beevor released Operation Overlord: The Invasion of Normandy, offering a fresh look at the D-Day invasion and its significance in the broader context of the war. David Reynolds’s The Long Shadow: The Legacy of World War II in Europe, also published in 2024, discusses how the war’s aftermath continues to influence Europe today.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 4, 2024 4:00 pm

Lizzie,
That clip of Senator Kennedy talking about Harris is a classic.
He has a way with words but my favourite line was probably “she is like AOC but without the bartending experience”.

Rabz
September 4, 2024 4:03 pm

The interview with Catriona Rowntree and Crudlin referred to by calli, regarding another roonable project locals are less than gruntled about.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 4, 2024 4:18 pm

Via Herald Sun.
Finally got him.

“Disgraced Indigenous leader Geoff Clark has been found guilty of stealing close to $1m from Aboriginal organisations he once led, the verdict coming after months of secret court trials”.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2024 4:20 pm

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

Furthermore Muntard,
It’s saying this is like saying, “Well, I’ve had breakfast once, so there’s clearly no need to ever eat again.”

The idea that nothing new can be discovered about World War II because it happened 80-85 years ago is as absurd as the NHS running a hospital without any patients.

It’s the intellectual equivalent of telling a historian, “That’ll do, old chap, put the books down, history’s over!”

First of all, history is not a static museum piece collecting dust in the attic.

It’s more like a complex, multi-dimensional puzzle where every so often, someone finds a piece under the sofa or behind the curtains that changes the whole picture.

But no, by all means, let’s just pack it in because you’ve decided that there’s nothing left to uncover. Shall we also tell archaeologists to give up because, well, we’ve already got a few old pots? Shall we tell the geologists to stop collecting and testing rocks? Or perhaps evolutionary biologists to give up since “we smart now.”

And let’s not forget the sheer arrogance of dismissing decades of rigorous scholarship with a wave of your hand, or your Nazi salute, as if thousands of historians are just twiddling their thumbs, waiting for you to tell them they’ve been wasting their time.

After all, who needs new interpretations, right? Just keep repeating the same old stories until they’ve gone as stale as last week’s crumpets!

History is an ongoing conversation, not a closed book.

Now, piss off Nazi.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 4:40 pm

All i want is a FiSH AND CHIP SHOP in close proximity!

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 4:41 pm

I ….

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 4:45 pm

Gordon’s Daughter LOVES Jose’s Modern Fish And Chips | Hell’s Kitchen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHOp7m6YpI

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2024 4:46 pm

A Greens Brisbane city councillor has been ordered by council to refund $20 000 for a newsletter distributed in her ward which contained two pages of pro-Palestinian material, some of which was deemed to be antisemitic after complaints were received.

Labor councillors abstained from the vote.

Nice to see them taking the moral high ground [sarc].

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 4, 2024 4:51 pm

Did I read earlier that a failed first year economics student is offering insights into the value of examining a conflict that killed over 52,000,000 people less than a century ago?

Oh, right. Of course I read that.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2024 4:58 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2024 4:59 pm

Lysander
 September 4, 2024 4:50 pm

Reply to  Steve trickler
An I for an i eh Steve


All gone. Burger joints rule the roost.

m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 5:02 pm

LOL, I’ve upset the old men who “like football and porno and books about war”.

Just shut up and sing the song, pal.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2024 5:07 pm

I was talking about historical works that upend the established narrative among scholars which, I assume, none of the above tomes are intended to do.

Oh, the “I was talking about” clarificaiton comes later once you realise how stupendously idiotic your claim was:

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

Since Nazis just burn books Muntard, I presume you’ve not read any of these; I have, severally.

One of the most significant books on World War II that I completely missed was Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder.

The book pushes back against the usual narratives by highlighting how Nazi and Soviet policies were interconnected, leading to the deaths of 14 million civilians. Snyder’s point that the Holocaust and other mass killings should be understood within a wider European context has stirred a lot of debate and has significantly altered historians’ views on this era. This book definitely upended long held “truths.”

And the book is barely 13 years old. Yes Muntard, 13. About your IQ.

Congrats on burning your straw man so thoroughly, though.

What “strawman” Muntard?

You’re a Walking Face Rake.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2024 5:08 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 4, 2024 5:10 pm

I’ve upset the old men who “like football and porno and books about war”

mUnter.

Fantasy footballing rangas should, like children, be seen and not heard.

No, wait. Not seen, due to being rangas.

Not seen, nor heard. There we go.

And don’t you dare claim you’ve never watched porn, Pants On Fire.

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 5:11 pm

Analyst Simon Benson (Paywallian) on the government’s clueless economic management:

Jim Chalmers may be spending Australia out of technical recession but the same can’t said of households. And its households that vote, not economies.

For this reason alone, household consumption numbers in the latest quarterly accounts are perhaps the most politically potent.

The GDP growth of 0.2 per cent for the quarter was as expected.

While growth is now the weakest outside the pandemic since the 1990s recession, Chalmers makes a virtue of government spending to keep the economy out of ­recession.

Yet this just gives more weight to the argument that public demand is also keeping inflation higher for longer. If we didn’t have the spending Chalmers boasts of, we would probably have negative GDP growth, which might have brought down aggregate demand and inflation may have been lower, hence the chance of an earlier interest rate cut may have been higher.

Chalmers has taken a different path than Australia’s peers. This was a choice he settled on earlier this year.

The main reason inflation hasn’t come down as fast as other countries may have less to do with government spending than the RBA’s decision to not push rates as high as other countries.

Yet Chalmers’s focus shifted in February when he started to see other country’s economies falter.

He saw greater political risk in a recession than in prolonged inflation. And this is the source of the political contest at the moment – between Chalmers and the Reserve Bank and the government and the opposition.

In Britain, Canada and the US, rates were higher, inflation came down quicker but all three experienced recession and unemployment rates higher than Australia.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers says productivity is an “ongoing challenge” in Australia’s economy as he reflected on the latest GDP data.

As economist Saul Eslake says, it has been a trade-off by both the RBA and the government. And he says while you could argue that population growth has helped keep Australia out of technical recession, all three of the comparable countries mentioned all had higher population growth than Australia.

Eslake says the odd thing about Chalmers veiled attack on the RBA that it was smashing the economy with high interest rates was that it hadn’t been smashed and the whole point of monetary policy in fighting inflation anyway was to cool the economy in order to bring it down.

Again, this raise doubts about the Albanese government and the RBA being on the same page when it comes to inflation.

The national accounts numbers suggest they are working at cross-purposes.

The negative view of the national account numbers is that they confirm that Australia has been in a GDP per capita recession for seven out of the past eight quarters.

If you take real GDP, it has fallen 1.6 per cent since it peaked in the fourth quarter of 2022.

Coming back to household consumption, however, this is the part of the economy – almost two thirds of it to be precise – that has actually been smashed.

But this is not entirely the result of high inflation and high interest rates.

Eslake points out that real per capita household disposable income has fallen 9.8 per cent since it peaked in the third quarter of 2021.

Over the same period, consumer spending has fallen 2.4 per cent.

That is reconciled by the fact that household savings have fallen from around 6 per cent to close enough to 0 – the lowest in 17 years.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers says Wednesday’s GDP results “vindicates” the approach the Albanese Labor government took in the budget.

The buffer that the RBA took comfort from 18 months ago to weather the rate rises has evaporated.

What this means from here for households is obvious. There are less savings now to draw from to keep households out of trouble as prices continue to rise.

Yet it is not all down to interest rates. Inflation and rates are a big part of it but so is the decline in real incomes, with wages not matching prices, and the unprecedented tax take from Canberra.

The proportion of household income paid in taxes is up to 23.4 per cent in June, which is the highest since 1959.

And this part of the equation is definitely not the RBA’s fault.

While Chalmers will be happy with the growth numbers remaining in positive territory – if only just – what should be most trouble the government is the household recession.

The level of grumpiness is only going to grow this side of Christmas, and possibly beyond as it heads towards an election if some relief doesn’t start to arrive soon.

Um, if you put a bunch of union leaders in charge of national economic policy when they have no interest in economic growth (because unions are getting their cashflow from superannuation, not membership fees), what did you expect?

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 5:13 pm

Dover, I’d appreciate it if you could approve my 5.11pn post.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2024 5:14 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2024 5:17 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2024 5:17 pm

Interesting discussion with a medical specialist about Ozempic and its newer applications – at lower doses, improving cognition, protecting against Alzheimers, correcting imbalances in numerous bodily systems, with many metabolic advantages – but in higher doses having significant adverse gut issues. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater stuff. Worth a look on a topic of considerable popular interest and possible societal-wide implications.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 5:28 pm

Huzzah. Shitweasel Bowen loves us and buys us 1000MW of Batteries:

The Albanese Government’s reliable renewable plan is backing six large-scale batteries for Victoria and South Australia that will deliver enough clean, cheap and reliable renewable energy to power one million homes from 2027.

The batteries selected for federal funding support can run for up to four hours, delivering a reliable flow of clean energy whenever needed, including by storing cheap, plentiful, rooftop and large-scale solar power generated during daylight hours.

Reliable power for a million homes, you say?
Well, only at 1kW – so no A/C, or cooktop, or electric hot water, or oven, or EV for you. Just the fridge, a few lights, and the TV to enjoy The Block.

And then only for 3 hours – so enjoy it while you can.

But it will be cheap, won’t it?
Quite possibly probably not. AEMC has increased the maximum price cap up to $22,000/MW as of 2027 – specifically to attract thieves battery investors into the NEM. So, those are the sorts of price targets that will attract the battery boys to discharge on a hot, still Summer night.

But the Government are involved – Shirley they will insist on a too-cheap-to-meter price?
Not so ever you would notice. The Government is underwriting the minimum price the battery investor gets for their discharge – but Team Luigi gets to share the super profits achieved when there’s a generation shortfall.

So no. Into Consolidated Revenue – where it will be used wisely – not in your pocket where you’d waste it on inflation.

But at least the electrons will be clean?
Maybe. The current supply problem is that too few renewable generation projects are attracted by the low middle of the day price – which provides the battery boys with their arbitrage.

So likely, the a substantial part of the charge will be indirectly provided by the remaining coal generators.

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Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2024 5:29 pm

They were not, in fact, fresh takes. The definitive takes were written decades ago, almost all in the previous century.

Muntard you said this. You said nothing new has been written that upended anything in 80-85 years since WWII and therefore we should just give up.

Snyder’s book, literally written 13 years ago blew apart long conventional theories about the war and the holocaust, to say the very least. And I reminder Muntard, this is how you started your epic face rake:

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

Then when realising you were so stupid to print something like that you said, you go back to your vomit with this claim:

They were not, in fact, fresh takes. The definitive takes were written decades ago, almost all in the previous century.

Synder’s book, barely 13 years old, at nearly 600 pages long (so yes, a sycamore to produce) has been critically reviewed and acknowledged for its ground breaking work.

Look out for the rakes Muntard as there’s plenty more of that where that came from. Plenty.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2024 5:33 pm
Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2024 5:47 pm

Quite like the days on the old Cat – Munty lurching from rake to rake…

The retard thinks nothing has been written “lately” that has upended history. He harks back to, what? 1989 and Sir Gilbert’s 800-page tome on WWII?

Arguably, Bevor’s 2012 book in my (and many historians claims) came second to that publication; at 880 pages long. That’s 12 years ago Munted, even closer again to your IQ.

Penguin books has a different list to me (which is usually the case) on “the best books written on WWII but, guess what Muntard, many of them written in the last 5-10 years.

Bloody moron.

Best books about the Second World War | World War 2 books (penguin.co.uk)

Conversation is over Muntard (and you’re still officially an illiterate, book burning historical denialist, Nazi pervert).

MatrixTransform
September 4, 2024 5:57 pm

He harks back to, what?

well, Marx and Engels … 1848

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2024 6:01 pm

Many thanks, Dover.

If you scroll back to 5.11pm, you xan now read:

Analyst Simon Benson (Paywallian) on the government’s clueless economic management:

Muddy
Muddy
September 4, 2024 6:03 pm

… and books about war.

I still struggle to adequately describe why I have such a passionate interest in military history. (History in general, actually, but I stepped into military history due to grandparents who were alive back then, and hence provided a more personal side to the facts and figures, though in tune with their generation, they revealed little at the time).

The best I’ve been able to do – in terms of describing my interest in military history – is the realisation that behind the machines and technology and headlines, are humans, just like me. The best and worst in human behaviour is often brought about by adversity, and war seems to me, in my detached, theoretical position, to be a prime driver in illuminating the ‘human condition’ (or capacity?).

I’m been curious for almost as long as I can remember, about ‘why people do what they do.’ No doubt at least some of that came about due to a less-than-healthy childhood, of which I’ll write no more.

Throughout history, armed conflict has been a driver in the development of technology which has often served a non-military use. I’m sure more knowledgeable Cats will give examples.

A decade or so ago, a bloke named Neil [sorry, his surname escapes me: thick Scottish accent, used to be on GB News] wrote a book titled ‘Not Forgotten.’ It was about how various towns and cities in Britain commemorated their dead from the social catastrophe that was The Great War. Ian Hislop, I think, wrote the introduction to the book (I believe there was a TV series, which haven’t seen), and one particular idea has stuck with me ever since – though memory jumbles it considerably. It was the necessity, via commemorative events, and yes, ‘books about war,’ to read aloud the names chiselled in stone, or on shields in local town halls, and thus to give those names meaning; otherwise they remain simply letters of the alphabet on various materials. It is the reading of those names, the putting of faces and stories to those names, that rebuilds the ‘fleshed’ life in some way, that was taken from them, in their tens and hundreds of thousands. It’s the very LEAST we can do; a self-imposed moral obligation that may almost justify (if we ignore all of our present generational failures) our claimed link to a generation who possessed a courage (and yes, fear) we will never know, nor understand.

Without ‘books about war’ (and other formats, of course), we become even more narcissistic than we already are. Imagine that, if you can.

Vagabond
Vagabond
September 4, 2024 6:08 pm

Via Herald Sun.
Finally got him.

“Disgraced Indigenous leader Geoff Clark has been found guilty of stealing close to $1m from Aboriginal organisations he once led, the verdict coming after months of secret court trials”.

I predict he’ll get a suspended sentence and an Order of Australia in a year or two for services to the indigenous community.

He deserves acknowledgement for setting an example that would have influenced many people to vote NO in the Voice referendum.

m0nty
m0nty
September 4, 2024 6:10 pm

Put it this way, Lysander.

Take that Timothy Snyder book as an example. No new information in it at all, it was described in reviews as a “synthesis” rather than a thesis.

This is what new history books about WWII are now. This is not a bad thing necessarily. There are many different ways to look at the same data, myriad points from which to view. You can convince yourself that a different perspective on known data constitutes freshness if you like, albeit that is just a matter of semantics.

What you can not do, at this point, is pretend in inaccuracies like the contention that Churchill was a villain of WWII. This way lies denialism, and inevitably comes intertwined in anti-Semitic conspiracism.

That is all I was saying. Your pop history books are safe, no one is going to burn them. Settle, petal.

Frank
Frank
September 4, 2024 6:18 pm

Tucker Carlson’s interview with Darryl Cooper a.k.a. MartyrMade is part of an ongoing campaign by Russian interests to undermine western support for Ukraine.

Fresh off the phone to these “interests” and simply relaying the message. You know, the big red phone.

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2024 6:19 pm

On the subject of books – don’t read much fiction these days, but Robert Harris’s new book “Precipice” is rather diverting reading.

Herbert Henry Asquith – known, from his drinking habits as “Squiffy” – was British Prime Minister from 1908 to 1916.Although he was married, he had an affair with one Venetia Stanley – half his age – and wrote to her two or three times a day – postal deliveries in London at least were running at three times a day – sometimes during meetings and debates, and sometimes enclosing the most sensitive, top secret material, from 1912 to 1915.

The world is sliding into World War One. The fun really begins when a top secret telegram, from the British Ambassador in Berlin, is handed to the police, having been thrown from a “very smart motor, with a chauffeur…” registered to the Right Honorable Herbert Henry Asquith, No 10 Downing Street….rather cerebral fiction, good reading.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 4, 2024 6:21 pm

Reposted for excellence:

a self-imposed moral obligation that may almost justify (if we ignore all of our present generational failures) our claimed link to a generation who possessed a courage (and yes, fear) we will never know, nor understand.

Without ‘books about war’ (and other formats, of course), we become even more narcissistic than we already are. Imagine that, if you can.

Excellent.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 4, 2024 6:23 pm

Dan Hannan
Lockdown was worse than useless

Rationality is very unfashionable.

Muddy
Muddy
September 4, 2024 6:25 pm

For me – I think Zulu will agree also – Mark Moyar’s ‘Triumph Forsaken’ and its predecessor volume ‘Phoenix and the Birds of Prey’ redefined the dominant (Western) narrative of the Second Indochinese (Vietnam) War.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 4, 2024 6:39 pm
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 4, 2024 6:45 pm

Two very good pieces of research have been published since the collapse of the Soviet Union. and it took ten years before ‘Stalingrad’ and ‘Berlin’ written by Antony Beervor were published.
He suffered from a near breakdown in a meeting with the publishers after he had listened to scores of womens experiences as the Red Army overran Eastern Europe.
History is never complete. There are always stories and documents being revealed.
No amateur or professional library is complete without these two publications.

cohenite
September 4, 2024 6:49 pm

Yeah he’s a real piece of work, that guy.
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Excellent comment. Thanks for posting it dickless. Which one of the fat, ugly trannies are you?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2024 6:51 pm

BoN?

The paper has been doing the rounds. I read the Phys.org article.

They seem to want to turn hydrogen into metallic iron then regenerate the hydrogen when it is needed. Since green hydrogen is at least 10 times the cost of natural gas this is ludicrous.

But there’s a lot of money around to play with ludicrous ideas these days. I’m just happy I am not 40 years younger as I might’ve been seduced. Money is addictive.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 7:02 pm

I agree with you about True Detective season 1 TE.
I didn’t realise that paramilitary style shootings still occurred in NI though a faded poster I saw in Dundalk suggested issues were ongoing.
A certain person living in Newry County Armagh was claimed to be an mi5 agent, his photo was on the poster. I couldn’t find anything online about it though I did stumble on to the website
The Revolutionary Republican Party, Saoradh who aim for Ireland to be united as a Socialist Republic.

Muddy
Muddy
September 4, 2024 7:09 pm

While I do lean toward the more academic military histories, I also believe there is room for making the subject ‘more accessible’ (apologies for the blandness of the phrase), and on this, I would recommend the ‘After the Battle: Then and Now‘ series. These are comparative, photo-centric volumes (hardcover and large format, though they also produce a 3 x annual softcover magazine), and contain a surprising amount of detail. Most of the best volumes are now out of print, but if you see one in an op-shop, grab hold of it. Campaigns include: The Somme, Gallipoli, Berlin, Montecassino, The Battle of Britain (3 x volumes), Market Garden, and many more.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 7:13 pm

Several Labor backbenchers join Greens’ push for dental care to be covered by Medicare

As polls have forecasted a minority Labor government, several backbenchers have aligned with the Greens push for universal dental coverage, estimated to cost at least $46 billion.

Greens leader Adam Bandt proposed a supersized “Robin Hood” tax on corporations last week as a way to fund universally free dental care.

However, Health Minister Mark Butler told 3AW Radio on Wednesday the policy was nothing but a “thought bubble”.

“Their $46 billion dental thought bubble has already, in the space of only a couple of days, been panned as unrealistic by the dental industry,” Mr Butler said.

Helen Polley, Brian Mitchell, Mike Freelander and Graham Perrett – staring into the abyss.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 7:18 pm

Even the NHS hasn’t succumbed to universal free dental care.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 4, 2024 7:22 pm

The events of WWII happened 80-85 years ago. No one is going to find a new set of facts at this extremely late point. The issues have been argued to death, literally.

I was listening to the recent Mark Felton episode on Hitler’s library (YouTube). It appears that US library of Congress has a collection of 80 books from the Bohemian Corporal’s personal library, removed from his bedroom in the Berlin Bunker, all of which have been annotated by the man himself. Mark Felton made the point that none of the books have ever been checked out. Other books from the collection kept at Bertechsgarten are in a University library in the US.

Imagine the new insights into his mind and who/ what actually influenced him the most. MF states one of the heaviest used books is about magic and one quote about needing a devil in oneself in order to effect change is heavily underlined.

MatrixTransform
September 4, 2024 7:31 pm

a play for our sons.

My Brother, My Brother, My Brother

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 7:34 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 7:34 pm

Anyone claiming a fresh viewpoint on WWII is merely trying to exhume losing arguments that bit the dust decades ago.

It depends how many decades ago.

For example, for decades during and after the War, the Soviet Union, supported by virtually every western leftard and academic, maintained that the Germans carried out the Katyn Forest murders of thousands of Poles.

Then Gorbachev opened the Soviet archives. These proved conclusively that the murders were carried out by the NKVD on Stalin’s orders.

Gorbachev apologised to the Polish President, and gave him the file.

That is just one example from the Soviet archives, there would be many more not yet examined.

BTW, while Gorbachev apologised, the western leftards simply moved on to new lies.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 7:35 pm

Another take on today’s Tucker engagement farming
https://x.com/JVanMaren/status/1831066289038844122?t=Zts4aLHmJwBhhHCN1Lv6zQ&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 7:40 pm

Daryl should tell us about he would have solved the ‘Jewish problem’
https://x.com/CynicalPublius/status/1831157055404609638?t=2P5gB05jOipCe8k6mjBvhg&s=19

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 4, 2024 7:41 pm

Can I get a fact check on Bolt ?
He opened today’s show talking about Candace Owens. He says he has not called for her to banned from entering Australia.

However my memory is that he did but I can’t find an article. Perhaps I heard it on one of his previous shows.

Anybody else recall him saying she should be banned?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 4, 2024 7:47 pm

Imagine the new insights into his mind and who/ what actually influenced him the most. MF states one of the heaviest used books is about magic and one quote about needing a devil in oneself in order to effect change is heavily underlined.

An interest of Jordan Petersen, once upon a time.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2024 7:57 pm

Watching a film on World movies “Call to Spy”.
It is based on the book “Lonely Courage”.
I have that book. It is a harrowing read.

So far, the film is following the book.
A very jarring part is US actress Stana Katic displaying the worst try at a British accent I have ever heard in a film.

One of the hardest parts to read in the book was the murder of two of the women spies by placing them into one of the ovens used to create prisoners, whilst they were alive.

If they use that in the film, I hope they handle it with sensitivity and not for shock value.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 4, 2024 7:59 pm

Thanks for the eminent 3’s names this morning to oversee the NSW Liberals.

I not that it now 2, Stokes was pretty useless when sitting and is part of the Left wing faction that caused this mess. Stockdale and Alston are part of the mess that is the Victorian Liberals even if they are from a previous era. Also not filling me with much hope is the involvement of Lognaine another Victorian power broker. Last decent premier Victoria had was Kennett and wow it was that long ago I was a relative newby to being able to vote!

If they were serious about change pick someone like Abbott or Bishop (Bronwyn type) or anyone screwed over by the Photios/Keen factions. There has been a stench in NSW that goes way back to Manildra and Sydney Water.

All I see here is a party heavyweight who will slay a couple of sacrificial lambs (Harwin & Shields) and sweep the rest under the carpet and nothing will change because of a looming election. All tarted up with an appearance of doing something…

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2024 7:59 pm

Re my comment, I meant “cremate”, not create.
Using my phone, lap top is being repaired. bugger.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 8:10 pm

Here’s Andrew Bolt on Candace Owens from last week
https://youtu.be/1h2jQ-PMMO4?si=Mg41liYe3U45eGtk

Muddy
Muddy
September 4, 2024 8:11 pm

I’ve been very much enjoying the content of Clowder D’Over recently. My thanks to the blog owner, those who help out in ways we aren’t aware, and the fine set of contributors, both regular and less so. (I’m always pleased to read a new or seldom-seen name). Please keep it up everyone. While I flit in and out, I have no doubt that the interactions made here contribute largely to the positive mental health of many Cats and Kittehs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 8:16 pm

Has mUnturd stopped digging yet? He must be halfway to Ukraine by now. When he gets there, perhaps the Azov crew could take him in hand and show him how real Nazis behave.

It would be an eye opener for an idiot who thinks that the LARPers in the West are the real thing.

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 8:21 pm

Is the comment about the use of gas one of Cooper’s?
If it is.
https://x.com/martyrmade/status/1831069714296258844?t=vHKZAYDiqEgGro1bEFM8aQ&s=19
It is
hmmm
Sorry linked the wrong response
https://x.com/Stephen_Agnew/status/1831252882118648153?t=kWkCKZEZ5-21_HoNYLILqQ&s=19

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Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 8:32 pm

Interesting this Cooper chap just airily claims that the British blockade of Germany was the sole cause of civilian starvation in WWI yet even I found a scholarly source that pointed to a number of factors that were responsible.
Not to mention Germany knew that there was a risk that they would not be able to feed their civilian population in a war but hey it’s all pretty simple because Cooper said so.
And he got community noted about the post ww1 continuation of the blockade.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2024 8:33 pm

Pogria

One of the hardest parts to read in the book was the murder of two of the women spies by placing them into one of the ovens used to create prisoners, whilst they were alive.

Don’t know about the Germans, but it has been alleged that a Soviet officer who was caught spying for the west was fed alive into a cremation oven.

Delta A
Delta A
September 4, 2024 8:41 pm

Muddy

 September 4, 2024 6:03 pm

to read aloud the names chiselled in stone… and thus to give those names meaning.

Yes. When we visited the War Memorial in Canberra, my brother asked me to buy poppies to place next to names of almost a dozen men, all comrades who had fallen during his three tours of Vietnam. Best Man read the names aloud from Brother’s list while I placed the poppies, tears falling as those men – strangers – suddenly became very real to me.

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Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2024 8:46 pm

People probably know about the horrific rape case currently before the courts in France.
I’m pretty annoyed at the twitter comments that ‘normal’ men participated and it could have been any man.
No, all were participants on a subset of a notorious French website called coco where men who were into the idea of raping unconscious women congregated.
Only three men offered the opportunity refused when they realised she really was unconscious and none of them reported the ‘husband’ to the police.
https://x.com/WomensRightsNet/status/1831042365164822739?t=NIdtkF3_srejKcrY41S5eA&s=19

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 8:52 pm

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies offers a detailed report on Iran’s barely concealed nuclear weapons program.

Arguably Tehran’s ‘crushing response’ to the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh, Iran is technically only weeks away from declaring itself a nuclear power – and only a fatwa reversal from having a nuclear use doctrine.

Only for those seeking to sleep uneasily.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 4, 2024 8:55 pm

Daily mail did a round up of the Raygun interview tonight:

-Apparently we (the public) don’t understand breakdancing;
-She’s the best and her record says so;
-Her selection concerns (i.e. Husband role) is “misinformation;
-FTA channels are chasing her for contracts; and
-Comments on the article not flattering, one stick out basically calling out the fact “she’s wanting to vanish from public life but waits till her name FINALLY THEN does an interview or three defending her ludicrously amateur performance”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13811193/Controversial-Olympic-breakdancer-Raygun-world-TV-interview.html#comments

2 things, the woman is an egotist bordering on narcissism and if true about the being in demand by FTA stations then no wonder their audiences are cratering. Especially the likes of Ch10 which would be liquidated if it weren’t a tax dodge for Paramount.

132andBush
132andBush
September 4, 2024 8:56 pm

Bloody depressing to see how many turbines are going up on the plains between Deniliquin and Hay, also north of Conargo.

Twiggy’s mob and Octopus Energy from the UK.

Billions upon billions upon billions of dollars sourced from an Al Gore chaired investment fund.
Not sure how much of each unit is made in Australia but I’m guessing next to zero.

From the Octopus Investments site;

strategically positioning Octopus for the upcoming and future Access Rights Tenders.

Setting themselves up, using OPM, to syphon Australian taxpayers’ money away for the next twenty years (at least).

Net benefit to Australia – negative billions upon billions upon billions with the added flavour of non reliable power.

Muddy
Muddy
September 4, 2024 9:14 pm

When was Shatterzzz’ op happening?

All the best to anyone else undergoing life’s trials at the moment. Hang in there, furrballs. (That’s a compliment, by the way).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2024 9:28 pm

One aspect of Reynolds vs La Belle ‘Iggins that will be interesting is how the National Corruption Commission tiptoes around Martin Bennett KC’s submission:

Mr Bennett told the court Ms Higgins had secured her compensation from the commonwealth based on a statement of particulars that contained a “mishmash of errors” and “complete rubbish”.

“Every paragraph in these particulars is wrong, other than the fact an election was called on the 11th of April,” Mr Bennett said.

Particularly if the judgment goes Reynolds’ way.

The necessary contortions will be impressive and rather alarming – probably best just to have an office fire…

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 4, 2024 9:30 pm

Pogria, there was a brief discussion of that movie sometime in the past couple of years, after someone (I forget who) watched it on Netflix & posted a short review.

Alas I’m unable to recall when.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 4, 2024 9:31 pm

Rosie,
Thanks for posting the previous clip about Bolt talking about Candace Owens. I did listen to it at the time and just again.

In that clip he does not call for her banning. However I remember thinking at the time that his two guests did not want her banned and this disagreed with Bolts view. May have misheard Bolt. I did make a post here on that evening where I mentioned Bolt had taken Candace comments about Frankists out of context but my thoughts were Candace anti Semitic.

That clip attracted thousands of comments so clearly Candace has a big following. Apart from her constant negative references to Jews/Israel she also lost me over her seeming to be a fan of Andrew Tate.

Gabor
Gabor
September 4, 2024 9:32 pm

Is the Russian Black Sea fleet in trouble due to ‘The Magura, a Ukrainian maritime drone’?

132andBush
132andBush
September 4, 2024 9:33 pm

It makes less than no sense to put wind and solar out on the plains country.

Of all the places in the country where the wind literally switches off at dusk it is out there, lasting all night at least 70% of the time.

Then there is the dust for the solar to contend with. That special kind that cakes on and will not simply wash off.

And the batteries introduce another fire risk, which is very relevant lately because the rains that were no longer going to fall enough to fill our dams and river systems have, which means prodigious “fuel” growth everywhere.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 4, 2024 9:34 pm

Current read. Just started. Lots of pictures, so it should be easy for me to understand the plot.

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Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2024 9:35 pm

Muddy,
what you said upthread about this blog being a comforting place for us resonates.

Earlier today, I poked a toe into the foetid swamp run by KC and the Sunshine Band.
I hadn’t been there for a year or so.

It has become unbelievably creepy.
I was reminded of a scene from Alien where Ripley is trying to sneak past the eggs that are beginning to hatch.

The second thought that occurred was, as each egg hatched, a clone of the Gimp that infests this blog came crawling out.

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