Open Thread – Mon 9 Sept 2024


The Tuileries Gardens, Afternoon, Sun, Camille Pissarro, 1900

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Roger
Roger
September 10, 2024 7:25 pm

They don’t even have to affect that tired, quasi-intellectual cynical pose of ‘least bad’. 

No, there’s none of that.

They view Trump, warts and all, as a healthy disrupter of a moribund, corrupt two party system that is a dead end.

With applications to Australia.

Last edited 6 months ago by Roger
Top Ender
Top Ender
September 10, 2024 7:27 pm

A great launch from Space-X. This is what Mankind is all about!

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 7:29 pm

One last thing, you nimbus.

The whole mess with the cat and swan eaters started because of the Demonrat government, which settled them in a small Midwestern town. They were flown into the US by the government as refugees -around 500,000 from Haiti. If it weren’t for the government, these folks wouldn’t even be there.

Your very first premise is a fckup from the very beginning as it was government intervention that got them to the US. The rejection rate was 1%.

bons
bons
September 10, 2024 7:36 pm

The fake blackfella scammers overturning popular and regulatory approved schemes dragged back distant memories that reminded me that nothing has changed. The self appointed elites have always supported the puritans.

My then muse and I were in a queue waiting access to watch JC Superstar when suddenly a wall of ‘poofta bashers’, sorry, I mean our valued police, announced that a complaint from the State Sensor to the Supreme Court resulted in blaspheme complaints being upheld and concerts were now illegal.

Response. Keep the Government out of economic and social policy. They are not equipped.

I actually knew the complainant, she was marginally involved with the perverts who ran my boarding school. Don’t start me!

At least the State Sensor may have been vaguely literate unlike the current sensor from f*kn Marrickville.

Helen
Helen
September 10, 2024 11:19 pm
Reply to  bons

Haha
I read that, twice, as
”my nurse and I”

Arky
September 10, 2024 7:37 pm

Sounds like you continue to favour open borders and now it’s just a Haiti problem.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 7:39 pm
Reply to  Arky

Yep, right on as always.

Arky
September 10, 2024 7:39 pm

started because of the Demonrat government

And in which universe do you live in which there will never again be a Democrat mayor, governor or President?
Open borders, good idea, yes or no?

pete m
pete m
September 10, 2024 7:40 pm

Just got online in time to watch the spaceX launch – very impressive!

Arky
September 10, 2024 7:41 pm

Sounds like you continue to favour open borders and now it’s just a Haiti problem.

JC

 September 10, 2024 7:39 pm

 Reply to  Arky

Yep, right on as always.

Open borders, good idea? Yes or no?

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
JC
JC
September 10, 2024 7:47 pm

Terrible idea seeing you were allowed to settle here.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
September 10, 2024 7:48 pm

Fat Cat and friends should stay out of Springfield Ohio until further notice.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 10, 2024 8:00 pm

Sounds bad.

Arky
September 10, 2024 7:51 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 7:47 pm

Terrible idea seeing you were allowed to settle here.

..
Open borders, good idea, yes or no?
Are you sticking by your libertarian ideals or admitting they were wrong?

Crossie
Crossie
September 10, 2024 7:56 pm

Having flown over Austria and Switzerland last weekend I took note of the terrain below. I noticed only a rare wind turbine here and there and no solar panels at all. This was in the lowlands and not just the alps. I also noticed that we flew over three power stations during just that one flight though could not tell whether coal or gas. Now if they could solve their massive immigration problem they would be worth visiting.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 8:21 am
Reply to  Crossie

Austria is worth it regardless. On our 2023 Italian road trip we dropped into Austria. Salzburg is particularly impressive, hometown of Mozart. Not far to go either to arrive in Chermany, Bertchesgarden, idyll of Hitler. Also interesting, but with spooky ghosts. Fabulous scenery in both countries. People are nicer in Austria, we thought.

Arky
September 10, 2024 7:58 pm

If someone genuinely knew open borders was a crap idea, I’m not sure that person would spend comment after comment waving at the welfare state, Haiti, the Midwest, the fact that Democrats exist or any other excuse.
They’d just admit it’s a shit idea.
Which most can now see clearly as the Southern US border currently resembles a f*cking war zone.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 8:02 pm

Australia/New Zealand have essentially an open border that you took advantage of. How did that work out for you, Juan?

132andBush
132andBush
September 10, 2024 8:05 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

September 10, 2024 6:54 pm

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/09/pour-it-on-israel.html

Hmmm, at a glance it seems the “Jew induced famine” still hasn’t made it’s presence felt.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:07 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 8:02 pm

Australia/New Zealand have essentially an open border that you took advantage of. How did that work out for you, Juan?

Above is what a person does when they don’t want to answer a question.
Open borders. Good idea, yes or no?

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
Arky
September 10, 2024 8:08 pm

You’re not going to start sulking again, are you?

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 8:14 pm
JC
JC
September 10, 2024 8:16 pm

Sure, I’m in favour of open borders.

  1. You set a rate/ cost to enter.which can change depending level of demand
  2. Maintain background checks
  3. No refugees
  4. No citizenship for a decade
  5. no access to any welfare

People will self select.

Mind-reading as usual, Juan. You’re just terrible at this.

Go troll someone else.

Zippster
Zippster
September 10, 2024 8:17 pm
Makka
Makka
September 10, 2024 8:19 pm

Now that the UK plebs and others have woken up and are loudly complaining about Blair’s treason with his industrial scale importation of shitholers, Blair is now advocating for global censorship.

This guy is pure unadulterated parasite turd.

cohenite
September 10, 2024 8:21 pm

Fuking sharri still suffering from TDS.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:22 pm

For the record:

JC

 September 10, 2024 8:16 pm

Sure, I’m in favour of open borders.

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
Rabz
September 10, 2024 8:24 pm

Cats – This Tucker Tulsi interview is highly recommended.

The dumbocrats truly are disgraceful and dangerous fascist lunatics.

She is great value though – a female American (leftish) politician who can actually string a coherent sentence together and doesn’t sound like a drooling drunken cretin.

“If you criticise the Kackling Kamel, deep state swamp creatures with guns will start following you around.”

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:24 pm

Never let libertarians twist and wriggle and leave you with the impression they are in any way shape or form conservative.
They are just as ideological as the Democrats or the greens where it counts.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:32 pm

Mind-reading as usual, Juan.

It’s Arky.

Muddy
Muddy
September 10, 2024 8:32 pm

Regarding former POTUS Trump, I think it’s as simple as the quiet majority perceiving that he acknowledges their existence.

Many moons ago, someone gave me a piece of advice that stuck: ‘The very least we can do for a person, any person, is to acknowledge them.’ As airy-fairy as that sounds, one of the most basic of non-material human needs is to be accepted by one’s peer group; to feel as though one belongs. I’m not a psychologist, but perhaps it harks back to the physical safety that came with being a member of a tribe or family group.

For almost as long as I can recall, I as a male of mostly Caucasian descent, have been politically and socio-culturally non grata. My taxes, my labour, and my vote are acceptable, of course, but beyond that, I exist, apparently, only in my own mind. I do the best I can with what I have, and I don’t demand anything from anyone. I may need occasional help, of course, but I have the humility to accept that I am far from perfect, and that the world does not revolve around me.

I – and many others – was abandoned during the covidiocy, and I have made it clear that I will hold on to that sense of abandonment until a new, more deserving political representation arises. That ‘something new’ will not arise by itself, of course, because the faux placeholders currently emitting their stench in that area of the political spectrum will see to it that any sign of life is crushed.

Back to that topic at hand: Were I a U.S. citizen, I would certainly be a Trump voter, if for nothing else than my perception that maybe, just maybe, my quiet efforts in life might be finally acknowledged; that yes, I AM part of the tribe. I don’t think I would have too many more expectations than that.

Pogria
Pogria
September 10, 2024 10:46 pm
Reply to  Muddy

A fine personal essay, Muddy.
Thank you for sharing.

Muddy
Muddy
September 10, 2024 10:57 pm
Reply to  Pogria

Thanks, Pogria. I hadn’t intended it to be about me, but I used myself as an example because I tend to be a bit abstract in my ramblings.

I hope I didn’t suggest I was dependent upon external validation for my self-esteem? I am a bit tired of being (indirectly) blamed for things I’m not responsible for though.

I just want to be left alone to stumble in whichever direction I choose.

Last edited 6 months ago by Muddy
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 8:35 am
Reply to  Muddy

Man after my own heart, Muddy, if I may be so bold, with me living as I do in a similar but different universe of pain and grasping at whatever straws I can. Current problem is my second son’s heroin addiction, which arrives on top of much else, with blame attached by some, for this abstract rambler across the bloggosphere. Neither here nor there in the scheme of things though. Everyone’s got problems. Chin up, mate.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:36 pm
  1. You set a rate/ cost to enter.which can change depending level of demand
  2. Maintain background checks 
  3. No refugees 
  4. No citizenship for a decade
  5. no access to any welfare

You do understand that the criminal gangs which run the smuggling rings would love all that more than the current situation?
They pay the fee for the economic refugee, take their passport off them at the other end, put them to work in the brothels or wherever and keep them in servitude to “pay back” what they owe.
You just put in place all the things to make their job even easier.
Your ideas are ridiculous.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 8:41 pm

It’s clear why a meaningful discussion with Juan is difficult. His arguments often are based on misrepresentation and distortion of facts.

(Juan, who reckons we’re buying imported goods at below cost.)

  1. He asks about dismantling the welfare state and it’s explained to him.
  2. He says I’m avoiding a discussion on open borders and I explain how we can change the policy to our advantage but he ignores the points made and dissembles.
  3. He entered this country free of charge under an open border policy with New Zealand, but thinks it bad for everyone else.
  4. Totally ignores the fact that Haitians were brought to the to the US – 500,000 flown in as refs- and suggests this was an example of open borders.

Juan is a dishonest moron and also quite stupid.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 11:43 am
Reply to  JC

Arky is quite intelligent, and loves taking the piss out of blowhards.

Rosie
Rosie
September 10, 2024 8:46 pm

“They were flown into the US by the government as refugees -around 500,000 from Haiti”
That’sabout the the only way they could get it.
Funnily enough, Biden Harris do boat turn backs from Haiti.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/us-sending-haitians-intercepted-sea-back-haiti-violence-rcna143425

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 8:46 pm

You do understand that the criminal gangs which run the smuggling rings would love all that more than the current situation?

How so if the rate is set an appropriate level?

They pay the fee for the economic refugee, take their passport off them at the other end, put them to work in the brothels or wherever and keep them in servitude to “pay back” what they owe.

Interesting, because that doesn’t happen now under legitimate immigration? It would only occur if the host nation was asking for an immigration fee.

You just put in place all the things to make their job even easier.

We have no fee immigration now.

Your ideas are ridiculous.

Okay. Now can you stop talking to me.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:01 pm
Reply to  JC

as soon as you stop putting words in people’s mouths you withering toss-pot

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 10, 2024 8:50 pm

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/09/see-what-happens-when-you-start-wars-you-cant-finish.html

Pay close attention, children. This is what happens when you vote for Hamas.

Muddy
Muddy
September 10, 2024 9:06 pm

Aside from those who lost family members, the majority of the population will not suffer much more than inconvenience. The territory will be rebuilt – yes, it will take time – using international funds (some of which will be siphoned to rebuild terrorist infrastructure). The decision-makers will pay for nothing.

‘Learning’ requires both capacity and willingness.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:58 pm

Your ideas are ridiculous.

Okay. Now can you stop talking to me.

You understand the difference between attacking someone’s ideas (debate and argumentation) and attacking someone’s character?
Apparently not.

Arky
September 10, 2024 8:59 pm

Back to sulking I guess.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:03 pm
Reply to  Arky

he’s a fecking infant

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:04 pm

You can’t have a conversation without dismantling and dissembling because you’re incapable. I’m not the only person who said this. Even the Doc finds your ability to do so an impossible ask.

So yes, in your delusional universe my opinions are ridiculous. I agree, now bugger off.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:08 pm
Reply to  JC

JC,

you dont appear to have opinions

more like Oppositional Defiant Disorder

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:14 pm

I’d say your therapist would have reached that conclusion about you, seeing the only thing you ever do here is try to put down people. It doesn’t work because we all know, you’re a no clue imbecile .

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:36 pm
Reply to  JC

and your argument is … ?

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 12:01 pm

Supposedly ODD happens pre teen in the majority of cases, and also lasts for 6 months.
Sometimes though, it settles into a character trait that lasts a lifetime.

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:04 pm

He asks about dismantling the welfare state

No, I didn’t ask “about” it.
I asked if doing so would improve the economy.
Which it would. Neither of us dispute that.

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
Arky
September 10, 2024 9:09 pm

You can’t have a conversation without dismantling and dissembling 

Without banging on like a fool, or delivering a stupid laundry list of shit like you usually do, list one thing, briefly and concisely where I have dissembled in this conversation.
For your reference:

dissemble

/d??s?mbl/

verb

gerund or present participle: dissembling

conceal or disguise one’s true feelings or beliefs

And stop hiding behind BG. Make your own argumentation.

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 10, 2024 9:10 pm

Arky
Can I not be a Libertarian and a Nationalist in the same brain?

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:27 pm
Reply to  Wally Dalí

Libertarianism is an interesting ideal.
I wouldn’t blame anyone for having those ideals.
I would blame them for not tempering them with the understanding that there are evil people and countries in the world who will use those ideals against any country holding them.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:10 pm

No, I didn’t ask “about” it.

I asked if doing so would improve the economy.

Which it would. Neither of us dispute that.

One of us did dispute that. Me .I said, you can’t dismantle it without doing the other things I suggested needed to be done.

Comprehension level is zero.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:22 pm
Reply to  JC

without doing the other things I suggested

I read the suggestions … is it meant to be a complete list?

love the way you pretend that you laid out a fool-proof plan

when in reality all you did was tear of some half-arsed gibberish

JC, you are so full of shit you vainglorious toss-pot

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:27 pm

Cut out the big words, God oracle .It doesn’t work as everyone has your measure by how. .

It’s a short list, but feel free to add anything you think was missed.
Go!

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:37 pm
Reply to  JC

your argument is …?

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:18 pm

You idiot

briefly and concisely where I have dissembled in this conversation.

The Haitians example is one. Totally ignored how and why they entered the US.

Briefly and concisely , you’re a clown.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:24 pm
Reply to  JC

that too is gibberish.

how they entered is irrelevant

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:30 pm

No it isn’t, you dope.

The US government processed 500k as refs, flew them to the US and dumped 20k in a small mid west town.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:32 pm
Reply to  JC

well
like the moron you are
you just refuted you own argument

do you seriously count on people not reading the entirety your own gibber?

…bad move

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:35 pm

You’re drunk, Trans. It’s just that you’re not making any sense, you’re senseless.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:38 pm
Reply to  JC

your argument is … ?

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:19 pm

One of us did dispute that. Me .I said, you can’t dismantle it without doing the other things I suggested needed to be done.

It’s moot.
I grant you for the sake of the argument that all those things you say need to be done get done.
Now answer the question actually posed:
Where would a professional beggar find it more profitable, Caracas or a US street?
Because that’s the driving force for criminal gangs to land random people into the USA or Australia – first world countries with their good economies attract migrants. Currently criminal gangs and other states including as Trump would say “not so friendly ones” are emptying their prisons, ghettos and insane asylums into the US.

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:21 pm
Reply to  Arky

Trump has recently been on record saying he’d like to see more legal immigration.

So much for Trump agreeing with you.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:27 pm
Reply to  JC

whether Trump agrees, is also irrelevant

and … you’re sounding more like mUnty every day

( see two can can your idiot game JC)

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:22 pm

Briefly and concisely , you’re a clown.

As an experiment, see if you can go two consecutive comments without the usual personal abuse that show up your lack of self confidence in your arguments.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:24 pm

It’s moot.

It’s moot in your delusional universe.

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:24 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 9:21 pm

 Reply to  Arky

Trump has recently been on record saying he’d like to see more legal immigration.

So much for Trump agreeing with you.

You are conflating the libertarian ideal of open borders with the Trumpian notion of legal migration which most everyone would find acceptable.

Last edited 6 months ago by Arky
Arky
September 10, 2024 9:29 pm

Don’t confuse a Trumpian common sense legal immigration policy that puts Americans interests first, with a Libertarian ideal of open borders.

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:30 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 9:24 pm

It’s moot.

It’s moot in your delusional universe.

It’s moot, because for the sake of argument I conceded you the point. That is how debate works.
If you never concede a point you can’t progress the argument.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:35 pm
Reply to  Arky

also probably best if he doesn’t refute his own arguments

…just sayin

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:41 pm

Trans, which point(s) did I refute?

The only thing that’s never been refuted is that you’re a god oracle.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 10, 2024 9:36 pm

This one’s for the tankies on the Cat. Very good account of British tank design in Wobblie Wobblie Two in “The Second World War Tank Crisis” by one Dick Taylor.

Seems a HUGE handicap to the development of British tanks was the British railway gauge – the size of the main gun was dictated by the size of the turret, which limited the width of the hull itself, which was dictated by the requirement by the requirement to transport all tanks on railway wagons, or flats, throughout the UK Rail network (Page 13.)

I’m do wonder if the British tank crews, in North Africa, in their under-gunned, under armored tanks, providing target practice to the German 88 mm guns, were counseled by the thought they had caused the railway staff no effort in avoiding the narrow tunnels…

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:39 pm

It’s moot, because for the sake of argument I conceded you the point.

That’s moot doesn’t mean conceding, it means you find the point to be irrelevant or insignificant.

That is how debate works.

How would you know?

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:41 pm
Reply to  JC

childish

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Reply to  JC

it means you find the point to be irrelevant or insignificant

and … no, you’re wrong

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:44 pm

I’m right and you’re a clown.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 9:48 pm
Reply to  JC

and you have a very high opinion of yourself JC

shame nobody else here shares it

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:49 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 9:39 pm

It’s moot, because for the sake of argument I conceded you the point. 

That’s moot doesn’t mean conceding, it means you find the point to be irrelevant or insignificant

Moot:
: deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic.

It’s moot once I concede you the point, we both accept, for the sake of argument, all the conditions you listed.
We don’t have to argue all the points you tried to place between the current welfare situation and what you consider necessary to implement open borders.
Now, unless any of the welfare arguments you listed impacts upon the profitability of street begging in America vs Caracas, you can go ahead and answer my question.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 10, 2024 9:51 pm

Oh, and in Parliament House, a sheep farmer, who gave Teal MP Zali Stegall the middle finger, in a debate over the live sheep trade, was thrown out by the security guards.

If I find out who he is, I’ll happily shout the drinks…

Foxbody
Foxbody
September 10, 2024 10:54 pm

He and his mates should have gone to the roof and hung up a few banners; then gone downstairs and trashed the gift shop; then stormed across to old Parliament House and set a fire – all healthy democratic behaviour attracting mild sanctions only.

Pogria
Pogria
September 10, 2024 11:57 pm

I also, will buy a round.

Beertruk
September 11, 2024 5:34 am

Zulu, sign me up to shout him a couple of schooners as well.

Last edited 6 months ago by Beertruk
JC
JC
September 10, 2024 9:54 pm

Arky

September 10, 2024 9:29 pm

Don’t confuse a Trumpian common sense legal immigration policy that puts Americans interests first, with a Libertarian ideal of open borders.

“Common sense” suggests that immigration slots should be sold by the host nation, especially given the high demand demonstrated by illegal immigration. Demand and consequent supply would be trailed by price.
It also stands to reason that linking this idea to the involvement of criminal gangs is utterly imbecilic.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:01 pm
Reply to  JC

“Common sense” suggests that immigration slots should be sold by the host nation

No , immigration Law dictates what slots are ‘sold’

especially given the high demand demonstrated by illegal immigration.

what? … non sequitur … try to make sense JC

Demand and consequent supply would be trailed by price.

Law numb-nuts … not price

It also stands to reason that linking this idea to the involvement of criminal gangs is utterly imbecilic.

gibberish

thresh it out JC … explain yourself … you’re sounding like mUnty again

Arky
September 10, 2024 9:57 pm

Common sense” suggests that immigration slots should be sold by the host nation, especially given the high demand demonstrated by illegal immigration. Demand and consequent supply would be trailed by price.

It also stands to reason that linking this idea to the involvement of criminal gangs is utterly imbecilic.

That’s actually interesting.
Taking the first point, would you say that both freedom of movement and freedom to transact are libertarian ideals, and ones you agree with?

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:02 pm

It’s moot once I concede you the point, we both accept, for the sake of argument, all the conditions you listed.

If you concede the point then one says they concede the point and that moves things along. Moot doesn’t mean the same thing.

We don’t have to argue all the points you tried to place between the current welfare situation and what you consider necessary to implement open borders.

Open borders and open immigration set by changeable fees and other conditions aren’t the same thing. This is something that appears impossible for you to understand, making the discussion useless. (That’s actually been LDP policy).

Now, unless any of the welfare arguments you listed impacts upon the profitability of street begging in America vs Caracas, you can go ahead and answer my question.

How would a Caracas beggar reach the US by paying a significant immigration fee?

These are the reasons I find having any discussion with you worthless.You make utterly unrealistic comments and can’t defend them.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:09 pm
Reply to  JC

You make utterly unrealistic comments and can’t defend them.

LoL

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:11 pm

Trolling much, Trans.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:18 pm
Reply to  JC

wanking again JC ?

Arky
September 10, 2024 10:10 pm
Reply to  JC

Back to the “laundry list” tactic.
I will address them here, this one time only, but put the main argument in the thread:

Moot doesn’t mean the same thing.

I gave the dictionary definition. See above.

Open borders and open immigration set by changeable fees and other conditions aren’t the same thing.

We’ll get to that after you answer my last post.

How would a Caracas beggar reach the US by paying a significant immigration fee?

How do they currently afford to travel thousands of km and pay people smugglers?
Professional begging: what is the arbitration between Caracas and the USA. That’s the question. Whether it’s prostituon, begging, drug smuggling, the economic driver is the difference in profitability between the USA and the southern continent,

Arky
September 10, 2024 10:35 pm
Reply to  Arky

Arbitrage, not “arbitration”.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:06 pm

Taking the first point, would you say that both freedom of movement and freedom to transact are libertarian ideals, and ones you agree with?

Not complete freedom of movement because we have welfare, which gets us back to the start of this “discussion”.

Freedom to transact? Explain what you mean.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:12 pm
Reply to  JC

Not complete freedom of movement because we have welfare

gibberish again

… you explain

mem
mem
September 10, 2024 10:11 pm

Just received this in my inbox from the local Ampol Service station:

This month, we’re supporting the launch of Ampol Petrol Boost and Condition/Ampol Diesel Boost and Condition 300ml, an exciting new product from Codee Energy, a 100% Indigenous-owned company. Until 5th November, purchase any Mobil™ lubricant (1 litre and above) PLUS Ampol Petrol Boost and Condition/Ampol Diesel Boost and Condition 300ml product at participating Ampol or EG stores to receive a $15 AmpolCash voucher*

Looked up the company and nothing about management, ownership or staff. Lots of woke about organic, natural, indigenous etc. My guess is a company trying to leverage marketing off the Aboriginal community. Unless someone proves otherwise I’m now buying my fuel elsewhere. Does anyone know about this?

Arky
September 10, 2024 10:16 pm

JC

 September 10, 2024 10:06 pm

Taking the first point, would you say that both freedom of movement and freedom to transact are libertarian ideals, and ones you agree with?

Not complete freedom of movement because we have welfare, which gets us back to the start of this “discussion”.

Freedom to transact? Explain what you mean.

Let us again state we concede the welfare argument.
Absent welfare, is freedom of movement a libertarian ideal such as the libertarian ideal of freedom to transact.

Freedom to transact:

Within philosophical debates over justice, libertarian positions are most controversial in the realm of distributive justice. In this context, libertarians typically endorse something like a free-market economy—an economic order based on private property rights, freedom of contract, and voluntary cooperation. Libertarians usually regard contemporary democratic states’ redistribution of wealth as an unjustified use of coercion that violates the rights of individuals. The same is true of many forms of economic regulation. Just as people have strong rights to individual freedom in their personal and social affairs, libertarians argue, they also have strong rights to freedom in their economic affairs. Thus, rights of freedom of contract and exchange, freedom of occupation, and private property are taken as seriously as rights to choose who to be friends with, what kind of clothes to wear, and which religion to follow, and so forth.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libertarianism/

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 10, 2024 10:24 pm

That K9 that charged at the car at @1:41 … Boo-Yah!

I can’t remember the clip. When the dogs are retired they would go back to the cops home and become a pet. So well trained that the children would walk them. Anyone a threat? … look the f*ck out.!

—-

Steve Inman:

Fur Missile Compilation
https://rumble.com/v5ecxt6-fur-missile-compilation.html?e9s=src_v1_upp

Beertruk
September 11, 2024 5:41 am
Reply to  Steve trickler

Hilarious commentary as always. 😀

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:33 pm

Back to the “laundry list” tactic.

Great. Can’t wait.

I will address them here, this one time only, but put the main argument in the thread:

Promise this one time? Promises promises.

Moot doesn’t mean the same thing.

I gave the dictionary definition. See above.

Yes and it doesn’t agree with conceding a point or points. It’s a claytons concession.

Open borders and open immigration set by changeable fees and other conditions aren’t the same thing.

We’ll get to that after you answer my last post.

How would a Caracas beggar reach the US by paying a significant immigration fee?

Venezuela has lost 80% of it’s GDP since around 2011. I very much doubt a Caracas based beggar is financially capable of paying any fees to criminal gangs. You just made this shit up.
An immigration fee to enter the US would be set at decent price and this issue wouldn’t be a problm

How do they currently afford to travel thousands of km and pay people smugglers?

I don’t know. You put the assertion forward so it’s up to you to explain how a Ven. beggar is able to make it to the US paying any significant fee.

Professional begging: what is the arbitration between Caracas and the USA. That’s the question. Whether it’s prostituon, begging, drug smuggling, the economic driver is the difference in profitability between the USA and the southern continent,

The idea that stopping immigration would prevent drugs entering the country is stupid as the bulk of the drugs entering the US aren’t brought in by illegals and if some are the cartels would find another way.

The problem at the southern border is that those who enter the US through legal channels are classified as refugee and given this status. Blame the Hiden administration. The status changes everything including behavior.

There is also another issue that you haven’t considered, because you appear to be hung up on beggars and hookers. The big problem is that the Demonrats are attempting to use these people as a vote herd, which is disgusting as it creates the possibility of one party state through electoral abuse. This is why the southern border needs to be closed and those people returned. Although, I think the bulk of these people would be okay in the long run, because of the aging population issue, it has to be reversed because the American left will cheat and abuse them.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:38 pm
Reply to  JC

fmd … what complete gibber

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:40 pm
Reply to  JC

because you appear to be hung up on beggars and hookers

wtf?

this is mUnty-esque level gibber

Arky
September 10, 2024 10:42 pm
Reply to  JC

As already stated, I’m not doing the long laundry list thing with you.
I’ll take what I think is your main point above and address that.

There is also another issue that you haven’t considered, because you appear to be hung up on beggars and hookers. 

It doesn’t matter what the criminal activity is. What matters is the activity is much, much more profitable in the USA.
That’s why the drugs, prostitutes and illegal workers wind up in the USA, and that is why there is an incentive for criminal gangs to run people smuggling rings.

The big problem is that the Demonrats are attempting to use these people as a vote herd

Yes, so you can add to your welfare pre- requisite for open borders that there no longer exists a party or a constituency for using migration in that way.

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MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 10:47 pm
Reply to  JC

but

according to JC everybody else except him is drunken incoherent shit-poster

… stfu JC

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:50 pm

Generally correct, Trans. My total intake would be one glass a week when we’re out, You on the other hand are a dreadful drunk with a nasty disposition.

MatrixTransform
September 10, 2024 11:00 pm
Reply to  JC

then of course

you have absolutely no excuse for the gibber

is it a mental health problem or a acuity problem?

try to make sense in the future you simpleton

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 10:46 pm

Begging is becoming problematic in the US, particularly professional begging, for the simple reason that fewer and fewer people are carrying cash. I’ve seen this firsthand, and it was explained to me by an actual beggar.
Some enterprising beggars have started carrying card readers to receive money through bank accounts.
Your begging strategy may not be as effective in the US as you assumed, even though you seem preoccupied with beggars.
They might be better off staying in Caracas, where cash is used more frequently.

Michael
Michael
September 11, 2024 12:12 am
Reply to  JC

In Santiago main square recently we witnessed many underage Venezuelan prostitutes. Our Chilean guide cheerily said that Caracas was now the safest place in the world, because they are all here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 8:42 am
Reply to  JC

Prostitution, petty and major crime, and drug smuggling were identified to us by our driver in Chile as being the reason the parks and gardens of Santiago were full of Venezuelan fifteen years olds.

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 10:46 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 10:47 pm
Arky
September 10, 2024 10:48 pm

It would be good to get your answer about the two libertarian ideals I mentioned.
Would you consider both freedom of movement and freedom to transact as libertarian ideals which you hold, putting aside other issues that might affect them.
In other words, absent redistribution of property to immigrants you hold their right to free movement as an ideal to uphold?
And likewise for the freedom to transact?

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 10:50 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 10:53 pm
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 12:33 pm
Reply to  Indolent

Brilliant – explains how Bureaucracies devolve into money pits of irrelevancy and incompetence.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/…/the-mediocrity…

“How do whole agencies, companies, and cultures that were once high function succumb to mediocrity and then collapse into incompetence and nepotism?”

Arky
September 10, 2024 10:55 pm

I’ll say what I’m getting at with that question, not to be accused of “dissembling”.
My question is: if you hold both the freedom of movement and the freedom to transact as equally important, and let’s add the “across borders” that many libertarians add:
Why if these are both equal libertarian values, would you tax one, the movement of people across borders, but find the tax on transactions across borders (tariffs) so against your beliefs?
Can you give an explanation of why you believe one acceptable, even beneficial, but the other to be abhorrent?

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 10:56 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 11:01 pm

@tyleraloevera

BREAKING: SPRINGFIELD, OHIO UPDATE

American veteran DENIED Medicaid and forced to pay out of his own pocket while long lines of Haitian immigrants get in line to receive Child Care, Cash, SNAP, Medicaid, and other FREE benefits paid for you by you:

the American taxpayer.

The security guard estimates a 9:1 ratio of Haitians to Springfield locals waiting in line for their benefits. Local welfare recipients are now forced to wait in line for hours at a time to accommodate the language barriers and lack of paperwork the Haitians bring with them.

I asked this veteran if he thinks the city is putting the American people first– He said “Hell no.”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 8:44 am
Reply to  Indolent

Believe it or not, I’ve seen worse in Cairo canals. At least that water is flowing.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 11:09 pm

It’s not the same thing.

If you don’t lower costs in the domestic economy—like energy, labor market regulations, and other factors impacting profitability—while imposing tariffs, you’re essentially channeling capital into inefficient sectors that wouldn’t survive in a free market. It’s similar to the current government policy of favoring renewables and then pretending they’re a cheap energy source, when in reality, they’re the most expensive. This damages living standards.
However, you must be careful not to undermine your efficient industries that remain profitable despite these obstacles, because doing so will cripple your economy—and we’re witnessing that now.

Arky
September 10, 2024 11:14 pm
Reply to  JC

That’s another argument for another day, but in summary, would it be correct to say that you don’t hold either of these things (freedom of movement, freedom of transaction) as fundamental freedoms, but you are in fact willing to bring practical concerns to bear on both?
Unlike say, freedom of speech?

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 11:10 pm
Philby
Philby
September 11, 2024 8:20 am
Reply to  Indolent

What a great speech, this is how all politicians should be.

Indolent
Indolent
September 10, 2024 11:13 pm

@DC_Draino

Wow – Melania drops powerful video demanding more answers about Trump’s near-assassination

She knows there is more to the story

We know there is more to the story

Crooks wasn’t acting alone

Who helped him?

Arky
September 10, 2024 11:18 pm

However, you must be careful not to undermine your efficient industries that remain profitable despite these obstacles, because doing so will cripple your economy—and we’re witnessing that now.

I’m not picking up on what you’re getting at in this para.
In what circumstances is this referring to?

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 11:28 pm

Arky

September 10, 2024 11:14 pm

Reply to  JC

That’s another argument for another day, but in summary, would it be correct to say that you don’t hold either of these things (freedom of movement, freedom of transaction) as fundamental freedoms, but you are in fact willing to bring practical concerns to bear on both?

Unlike say, freedom of speech?

I’m willing to entertain Trump’s tariff policy and the corresponding drops in corporate and personal taxes, even though there would be an increase in the CPI. I think it would serve as an imperfect form of a consumption tax, which is preferable to taxing income.
Trump’s approach to material economic deregulation and cheap energy could work, but I’m not certain about singling out China. If he harms China too severely, we could face significant consequences. Additionally, isolating China might encourage their aggression even more, as they could feel they have less to lose.”

Outside NAFTA, the US doesn’t really have to trade with anyone. Their economy is incredibly flexible and bringing back manufacturing would occur but with much more automation.

JC
JC
September 10, 2024 11:35 pm

I’m not picking up on what you’re getting at in this para.

In what circumstances is this referring to?

The liars’ party is trying to massively damage mining and agriculture. If these two sectors go under, we’re finished—we’ll be doing a backflip off a cliff.
They shut down that gold mine project, which has a chilling effect on the rest of the sector. Now they’re trying to impose climate policies on agriculture after already destroying the live export trade

Arky
September 10, 2024 11:41 pm
Reply to  JC

Alright, I’m off.
Thanks for the last bit of the argument, which was reasonable.

Arky
September 10, 2024 11:36 pm

Migrant ‘influencer’ calls for all Venezuelans to beg for money, ‘unite’ to support teen Times Square shooter: video

In another video, the so-called influencer, who has been in the United States since September, claims he made $275 from “three hours [of] asking for money at traffic lights.”

-February 24, 2024, New York Post.

Michael
Michael
September 11, 2024 12:20 am
Reply to  dover0beach

Dear Dover.
Why are you disappearing my comments?
Regards,
Michael

Rosie
Rosie
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 11, 2024 5:23 am

Classics!

Richard Clapton – Girls On The Avenue (1975)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC40QqfcLfM

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 11, 2024 5:42 am

I reckon the bald bloke in Brazil will be dead within a few weeks.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 11, 2024 5:56 am

Will the microphones be muted or not? Thanks I just haven’t kept up at all

Helen
Helen
September 11, 2024 7:41 am

Yes

shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 6:49 am

Oh no’sssssss ..!

Bluey
shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 6:50 am

Donald to the rescue .. LOL!

Cats
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lotocoti
lotocoti
September 11, 2024 6:59 am
calli
calli
September 11, 2024 7:13 am
Reply to  lotocoti

Quite so.

That, my friends, was the Beloved’s introduction to AI. He laughed when I showed him.

Trump saving kitties seemed a righteous choice. 😀

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shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 7:03 am

Bit of an insight for all, us, PAYE tax mugs .. The struggles of the wealthy to make ends meet …..!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13828191/Dyldam-developments-maria-sam-fayad-ordered-pay-24million.html

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 1:18 pm
Reply to  shatterzzz

Now he and the missus are playing the sympathy card.
Sickening.
The entire family are a mob of parasites.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 9:01 am
Reply to  shatterzzz

I have a five year old autistic grandson as well as a fourteen year old autistic grandson and one adult mildly autistic son. The older grandson is verbal but can have an awkward social presentation. The five year old is still being toilet trained and is essentially non-verbal, but starting now to speak. All power to this dad for his inventiveness, and for being the communication conveyor-belt for for his son, enabling a good quality of life for him and others with this disturbing disability. Good to learn here about this chart system, will tell others who need to know.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 9:26 am

In all, I have three sons and one daughter. My eldest, an adult son, is autistic, just diagnosed; he has two boys, one of them autistic, the other not. He has struggled unemployed all of his life and the diagnosis is a relief. My second son, with the same Aspberger’s tendency father, has bipolar disorder, no autism, no children, and has descended into addictions.

My son with Hairy (a very stable father) is like Hairy a very stable high achiever and normal but his wife, academically brilliant, is late-diagnosed autistic and their son is the non-speaking five year old. My daughter with Hairy is normal, stable, and also a very high achiever. Her three children have no autism, although one of her daughters has parentally well-managed ADHD.

Both of my parents were psychiatrically unstable, mother schizophrenic, father bipolar, both hospitalised at times for these disorders; but growing up in the 50’s, we three kids, my sister, my brother and I, were all well able to cope as the times demanded we did. My sister had periods of instability (but was academically in the stratosphere in the SU Medical Faculty), my brother and I have always been mentally stable and did well enough in life (he’s deceased now), and my sister’s son was bipolar and addicted to heroin (also deceased).

There are a lot of genes and environments in that collection. You can tease these sorts of things out in many families. When I say autism, I mean fully diagnosed autism not just hints. I am not sure autism is really on the increase. That’s most likely a statistical artifact. Psychiatry has some blunt diagnostic instruments.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:24 am

That’s an awful lot to manage, Lizzie. Thank you for your response to my post last night. It wasn’t, as I stated, intended to be self-focused; but when I write about myself (hesitantly), I do so hoping that others will see they are not alone in experiencing challenges in life. Not the regulars of course – you’re all charismatic but humble high-achievers – but perhaps there are some who quietly observe without the confidence (yet) to insert themselves into the rough-and-tumble of our community. The opportunity to interact here with anonymity is a blessing for which I am grateful.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 7:11 am

It is really amazing how nasty and vindictive the Left is. Tanya is still on her high horse about the gold mine despite it being clear the reason for banning it was totally fake. And now today we have this:

Biden’s FAA Punishes SpaceX, Delays Starship Rocket Launch By Months (11 Sep)

According to a new SpaceX update: 

We recently received a launch license date estimate of late November from the FAA, the government agency responsible for licensing Starship flight tests. This is a more than two-month delay to the previously communicated date of mid-September. This delay was not based on a new safety concern, but instead driven by superfluous environmental analysis. The four open environmental issues are illustrative of the difficulties launch companies face in the current regulatory environment for launch and reentry licensing.

They’ve had years to do ‘environmental studies’ so this is just political persecution for not kowtowing to the Democrat Party.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 1:22 pm

I’ve spoken on this previously.
The bureaucracy has the ability to bankrupt anyone who defies it. And they will do so if the threat is considered enough.
In Elon Musks case, just his existence is adequate reason.

shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 7:14 am

And just as you thought all tales of thugby involve a “white substance” along comes a drugless thugby sob story ………
Tho why it even rates a “media” mention I have no idea .. LOL!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nrl/article-13828025/Laura-set-start-new-life-footy-star-boyfriend-Jed-Cartwright-kids-UK-broke-heart-photo-shattered-dreams.html

Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 7:14 am

I suspect Harris’s housing plan will be like Albanese’s:

$3bn spent, not one house completed yet.

Foxbody
Foxbody
September 11, 2024 10:18 am
Reply to  Roger

Pretty much like the Clinton Foundation Haitian housing plan, then.

damon
damon
September 11, 2024 7:18 am

Unfortunately, I’m no historian. Are those really high-rise cranes in that Pissarro?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 11, 2024 7:39 am
Reply to  damon

Yes, they are cranes. That there’s the Gare d’Orsay under construction.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 7:51 am
Reply to  Dr Faustus

Thanks Faustus. I asked the question up thread because it’s been teasing me also.

I thought for a while that it might be masts, but the Seine isn’t navigable up that far (bridges being a bugger for big sailing ships).

And modern tower cranes hadn’t been invented yet, but smaller hydraulic ones had.

Pissarro = Time Lord…debunked.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2024 7:19 am

The Attack of the Haitian Pet Chewers had all the potential of becoming just a blip in the US immigration debate – had it not been for the meme industry.

Now it seriously appears to be a real thing, and fair enough too. It aptly demonstrates an area of societal incompatibility that is studiously ignored by the ‘bring ’em in’ lobby.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:55 am

The Attack of the Haitian Pet Chewers.

That sounds like a teen schlock horror film (with lots of gratuitous nudity).
Whatever you do … DON’T leave the kennel!

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 7:20 am

Watching Sky last night, they showed footage of the farmer’s protest in Canberra. One man had a placard which read..

No farmers
No food
No future

Accurate words, prescient words. There’s also another word that comes after, and that word is…….FAMINE, a long time favourite tool of the left so that they can exterminate pesky human beings. It’s coming to the West.

Pogria
Pogria
September 11, 2024 7:39 am

Cassie,
the local kulaks are in a far better position to fight back than they were a hundred years ago.
I have inordinate faith in our farmers.
There is no way our simp pollies could ever inspire the loyalty, or fear, in our military and fat coppers needed to threaten our providers of food.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 9:32 am
Reply to  Pogria

Good. We tend to forget how bad it got sometimes in the great famines of the past when crops failed etc. Today’s famines are mostly man-made ones and the ones of the past were also not much assisted by sympathy from the better off.

Last nite we watched part 2 of a Netflix series on the Cold War. It dealt with Stalin’s absolutely deliberate attempt to completely absolish the kulaks and any other resistance to his insane agricultural policies in the Ukraine. Cruel, deliberate famine of millions. So bleak, so awful.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 7:20 am

Poor Zali…bottom lip twembling because a big, bad man flipped her the bird.

If anything tells you how out of touch this pampered bimbo is with normal life, this does.

She wants to ruin their lives, their incomes, but this crybully is the victim here. The Queen of the Parliament House Plastics.

shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 7:57 am
Reply to  calli

I’m guessin’ when you live on Scotland Island a lot of the normality of life is missing .. LOL!

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 11, 2024 7:23 am

Attn Sandgropers

Are there any other local names for the sea breeze in addition to the Albany and Fremantle doctors? 
 
Attn Banana Benders 

What about local names where a road ascends into rainforest? One at the Bunya mountains is called the Meat Safe, and another up the range from Landsborough is called the Ice Box. Any others?

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:37 am

No idea, but interesting questions.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:51 am

There is an area out the back of Palmwoods, on the Sunshine Coast (in the foothills of the Blackall Range) called Landershute. Originally, I believe, it was two separate words: Landers Shute.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 7:28 am
Reply to  Indolent

And the award for Confected Dramatic Reaction goes to….

duncanm
duncanm
September 11, 2024 9:35 am
Reply to  Indolent

AI and cat memes – its a great time to be alive!

Indolent
Indolent
September 11, 2024 7:25 am

@ClayTravis

Kamala Harris featured in a 1995 Willie Brown profile gets asked, “Are you his daughter?” This is incredible. She was sleeping with him then despite the fact that he was married and had kids and he would go on to give her jobs worth $400k:

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 7:29 am

If anything tells you how out of touch this pampered bimbo is with normal life, this does.

You know, the big problem with having these ghastly skanks in parliament is not so much them, it’s the fact that very wealthy, privileged people in very well off electorates vote for them. And the very bovine Zali is the worst of them. Sadly though, she’ll be reelected.

Savannan
Savannan
September 11, 2024 7:55 am

On behalf of my bovines I am offended by associating that uber-urban, chicken-brained Steggle with the noble herd. (cue the outraged poultry farmers).

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 7:58 am

The electorate that voted for her and not Abbott is mostly a sort of La-La-Land. They will probably do it again, assisted by media giving her time on the screen.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 11, 2024 7:32 am

Lawgi I hate to be so dull, but The Sea Breeze is concisely called “the sea breeze” everywhere from Hopetoun to Carnarvon. Even “the Fremantle Doctor” is maybe a growth from the “docker”, a steady Westerly which would carry boats to the bays.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 11, 2024 9:15 am
Reply to  Wally Dalí

Yep. On the Derwent in Hobart it was always the sea breeze.

Kneel
Kneel
September 11, 2024 12:19 pm
Reply to  Wally Dalí

The “Fremantle Doctor” is the afternoon sea breeze that drops ocean spray on you to cool you down.
Very nice when it is 40+, but hard on your clothes – lots of bleached dots all over ’em!

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 7:48 am

Which is more likely?
The debate will end Trump’s chances of winning, or
The Debate will end Kamala’s chances of winning, or
Inconclusive? Are those “neck and neck” polls credible?

Before you answer, consider what can happen and did happen in 2020.
“There were few, if any, thorough judicial reviews weighing all conceivable evidence of ballot-rigging, tampering and fraud.  This is not because there was no evidence, but because the courts weren’t about to overturn election results that already had been certified.  Time ran out.
The short explanation is that the courts had zero interest in getting involved in disputes that would take months, if not longer, to resolve.  Government, per se, must roll along.  Winners must be sworn in.  Losers must be ordered out of the building.”

Is There Election Fraud or Not? – American Thinker

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 11, 2024 7:48 am

Interesting re the docker, Walter. Maybe it was a family thing. My mother was a word nut and could not go a day without coining some neologism. She always called it the Albany doctor.

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Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 7:54 am

The reappearance of the rent-a-crowd collection of crew-cut lezzos and masked beta-males in Melbourne raises many questions. I remember when this sort of mob were out in force to protest against globalisation!
Now they seem more exercised to assist the homogenisation of western societies and to reset them towards a socialist left mode. Ban The Bomb is now Ban Self Defence.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 9:24 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

They rooted against globalisation in the 1990s, but since then have been seduced by actual power, rather than the Joy of Rioting.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 12:04 pm
Reply to  Boambee John

I typed “rioted” twice, and Spell Wreck changed it both times.

Make that three times. Will it happen again.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 12:05 pm
Reply to  Boambee John

Eureka, beat it with the fourth!

shatterzzz
September 11, 2024 7:54 am

Now it seriously appears to be a real thing, and fair enough too. It aptly demonstrates an area of societal incompatibility that is studiously ignored by the ‘bring ’em in’ lobby.

Bit like living in NSW “houso”, tho i’m not aware of them eating moggies (my pair keep coming home), the boat folk here do a lot of throwing rubbish into the grass verge(s) .. be it junk mail from the letterbox or household goods they seem to believe that outside the “fence” is someone else’s concern …..!

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 11, 2024 8:02 am

My wife was in question time and watched Zali get all huffy at the mean man who was a bit put out at having his livelihood destroyed by the Labor government and their lickspittle Teal allies.
Albo is such an inadequate little tool. He deliberately lowered his voice to barely a whisper when responding to issues about the live sheep ban so the gallery couldn’t hear his response. One guy called out for him to “speak up please” and was carted out of the chamber.
Dutton did a top job when addressing the rally. Littleproud spoke with passion.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 8:15 am
Reply to  Farmer Gez

Albo is a craven university Trot, leading from the rear.

Someone here described Labor as being the dog that caught the car. Albo is the snarly little chihuahua that caught the party leadership.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 11, 2024 8:04 am

Lawgi, I’d like your mum, it’s a hobby of mine to bust cliche’s and try to break out new ones…
All not to say that “the Freo-Albany Doctor” does not exist without very good reason- in fact the further wawy from the coast, the more likely that it’s looked forward to with hot relish. Friends in the hills east of Perth always cherish the doctor, and wifey’s family in the great southern will call the southerly “the Albany Doctor” between September and May, and “the effing antarctic air con” in the footy season.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 11, 2024 8:08 am

All who watched that podcast know that Ye was calm, and filled with love 
Obvious Jew-hatred granted, but does anyone else get the hairs on the back of the neck stand up when hearing “filled with love”, “comes from a place of love”? To me it’s right up there with “let a thousand flowers bloom” and “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 11, 2024 8:12 am

Shocking. Daily Telegraph:

A once seemingly happy family has been torn apart, with two children found dead by their father in their Blue Mountains home and their mother under police guard in hospital.

The bodies of brothers Russell and Ben Smith, aged 9 and 11, were found by their father Nick Smith at the family’s property in Faulconbridge early Tuesday afternoon. Mr Smith called police who launched a major investigation into their deaths.

Trish Smith, the boys’ 42-year-old mother, was at the property when emergency services arrived and was transported to Westmead Hospital under police guard in a stable condition with self-inflicted wounds.

She has not been charged.

NSW Police said officers are being assisted by detectives from State Crime Command’s Homicide Squad.

Blue Mountains Commander Superintendent John Nelson said Ms Smith was taken into police custody with “a number of injuries” but could not confirm if a weapon had been located.

“The status of those injuries are not known at this stage,” he said.

“I don’t know (if a weapon has been located) at this stage.”

When asked about whether Ms Smith had any history of mental health issues, Supt Nelson said: “What I can say about the mother is she is known to us but only for minor matters so it wouldn’t be appropriate at this stage to speak about (mental health).”

He said Mr Smith was “helping with inquiries and was the one who contacted police.”

“All avenues are open for investigation,” he said.

Supt Nelson said the discovery of the young brothers’ bodies was “about as tragic as it gets for any police veteran and emergency services officer.”

“The Blue Mountains is a very peaceful community,” he said, adding the boys attended school on Monday with “no concerns.”

NSW Police Commissioner Karen Webb said as the investigation is in its “early stages”, she could not confirm the circumstances leading up to the deaths.

“Obviously it’s a very tragic scene,” she said.

“It is early stages and we’re not prepared to speculate on that at this stage.

“We’ve got all our investigators looking at the background and what has actually happened at that location.”

Known to police? In what capacity? The sort of words that led to the coffee pourer to skip off overseas.
Just horrible.

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 11, 2024 8:13 am

Then it is Great Southern dialect. It used to come in, six or seven of an evening – if at all – as a slight rustling of leaves and carried a fragrance of burnt eucalyptus if there had been a fire down Denmark-Walpole way.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 8:21 am

It was odd how the Democrats came up with the non-sequitur keyword “Joy”. Politics in the USA haven’t been joyful for ages, and I can see no change in outlook in the near future. Then I happened upon an alleged exhortation by Joe Stalin himself, back in 1935. It is recounted on page 229 of A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles.

” … on the seventeenth of November 1935, at the First All-Union Conference of Stakhanovites, Stalin himself declared: Life has improved, comrades, Life is more joyous …”

Tom
Tom
September 11, 2024 8:31 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

Stalin himself declared: Life has improved, comrades, Life is more joyous …”

I can’t wait for the memesters’ response in the next Week In Pictures.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 9:29 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

“Life is more joyous”.

Then came the Great Purge.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 9:42 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

Told you it was a great read, Bee. So much in it to delight and inform.

Joy has a terrible history when you look at it. First Stalin, with his ‘improved’ life, and then Hitler, with his physical fitness ‘Strength Through Joy’ movement.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 10:59 am

Haha! “Strength Through Rooting Under-aged Frauleins”.

Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 8:22 am

The reappearance of the rent-a-crowd collection of crew-cut lezzos and masked beta-males in Melbourne raises many questions.

Not least being who’s manning the counters at Centrelink?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 11, 2024 8:51 am
Reply to  Roger

And who is providing relief teaching in Melbournibad.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 11, 2024 8:27 am

I know I can talk but my wife is a master communicator. She managed to talk to a whole bevy of LNP pollies at the rally.
I came across her in deep discussions with Barnaby after she’d just finished having a long chat with Matt Canavan.
She said Dutton was very warm and friendly and sought out to shake my daughter’s hand as well, who is a rather shy person and tends to stand back.
She said Jacinta Nampijinpa Price was lovely and so was Pauline Hanson.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 8:29 am

Another permutation to the Blayney Gold Mine.

Faaark what a tangled web and that everyone is exploiting for their own use. Blayney Gold mine has another mob, Orange Local Abo land Council (Honestly how many of these fricken organisations are there?).

Board is huge and likely getting their own stipends, however the majority are medico’s, social workers or full time aboriginal industry grifters. 2 of them have convictions for DUI and refusing a breath test, bet that conversation with the local cop would have been along the lines of some of the sov citizen exchanges that are on the net for not blowing in the bag but I digress.

I would say by the fractured nature of the Abo corporations in that area the kin of the tribe are warring with each other and have been for decades. Also throw in some white health professional busy bodies with pious intentions. FMD in 21st century Australia we putting up with this sort of crap.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13832299/blayney-nsw-goldmine-lisa-paton-aboriginal-site-waterway.html

I checked the board out & Paton and there appears no links to outside agitators in the public sphere.

Rabz
September 11, 2024 8:30 am

The debate will end the cackling kamel’s chances of winning

In any sane world that is exactly what would happen. Although in any sane world that insane incoherent drunken coke addled whore wouldn’t be running for US president in the first place.

The cackling kamel is without a doubt the most ridiculous competence free numbskull to have run for US president in my lifetime – and this is a field that includes Kartah, Lurch Kerry, Obongo and Geriatric Joe.

If you need any evidence that the USA is no longer a serious country, then that bovine waddling clown is it. Hopefully she’ll end up getting eaten by Haitian immigrants.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 11, 2024 10:30 am
Reply to  Rabz

You forgot the lesbian bitch

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 8:38 am

Haha, not only is car manufacturing collapsing in Europe but now the EU government wants to make it collapse even faster.

Renault CEO says sector could face billions in fines as EV sales slow (10 Sep)

PARIS, Sept 7 (Reuters) – Europe’s autos industry could face fines of 15 billion euros ($17.4 billion) for carbon emissions due to slowing demand for electric vehicles, Renault CEO Luca de Meo said on Saturday.

Automakers face tougher EU CO2 targets in 2025 as the cap on average emissions from new vehicles sales falls to 94 grams/km from 116 g/km in 2024.

“If electric vehicles remain at today’s level, the European industry may have to pay 15 billion euros in fines or give up the production of more than 2.5 million vehicles,” de Meo told France Inter radio.

“The speed of the electric ramp-up is half of what we would need to achieve the objectives that would allow us not to pay fines,” de Meo, who is also president of the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (ACEA), said of the sector.

That would be a fine of six thousand euros per car just because it is the wrong sort of car, ie what the customers want to actually buy. If there is a better way to grind your own economy into the dirt I don’t know of it.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 8:39 am

Sky News does it again, such searing insight!
“Harris’s poise (Mr. Vice-President, I’m speaking!) and prosecutorial experience might knock Trump off balance.”

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Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 8:40 am

Australia’s #1 Hamas Fan

Timothy Cootes, Quadrant Online, 11 September 2024

Nasser Mashni, president of the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network (APAN), has been impossible to avoid of late. His eruption into public debate began at about the same time as Hamas’ pogrom, when many journalists got into the habit of including a comment from Mashni in their copy. Since then, he’s become a regular interviewee on the national broadcaster and a talented demagogue at the podium at the weekly pro-Palestine rallies across our capital cities.

Unsurprisingly, he was quoted just about everywhere in the wash-up from Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s call for a pause on Gazan refugees. Words like “shameful” and “racist” have received quite a workout in APAN’s press releases in the last week or so, though it should be noted that those were some of the milder rebukes.

Before Mashni made his acquaintance with the broader Australian public, he was better known to the Victorian justice system. In 1991, a 22-year-old Mashni was convicted for kidnapping a child, whom he beat and locked in the boot of a car. According to the Herald Sun, he then drove his victim to an empty paddock, where he expressed a keen interest in breaking the child’s legs. Since that day out and his subsequent conviction, Nasser Mashni’s moral outlook, I would argue, hasn’t really improved all that much. On October 7, he was busy ‘liking’ social media posts that praised and justified the massacre, though, to be fair, that was hardly unusual among the activist and intellectual Left.

Mashni has distinguished himself from his co-thinkers, however, in a number of ways. His anti-Israel fulminations, for example, could rival in intensity those of just about any Hamas spokesperson, I suspect. “Israel has to cease to exist,” he told one interviewer recently. On his own radio show, he wobbled into conspiracy theory, railing against the world’s “power structures that all focus upon Zionism”. The solution, as usual, came in his demand for “the decolonisation of Palestine and the ending of Zionism.” He avoided specifics as to what that process might look like for Israelis, though his listeners probably didn’t have to think about it for very long.

After all, his preferred strategies aren’t exactly difficult to glean. Mashni and APAN are unconvinced of the prevailing view that Hamas is a terrorist organisation in the first place. He gets particularly huffy when his media interlocutors inquire as to whether he has a stern word to say about the terror army at all. Journalists really should resile from such a line of inquiry, as Mashni has always been rather ecumenical in his admiration for different factions of Islamists. When terrorists of Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsa Brigades escaped from an Israeli prison in 2022, Mashni was quick to glorify them as “heroes”.

Mashni was even more obsequious with Leila Khaled when they shared a panel at Ecosocialism 2024. In the presence of the militant and plane hijacker — his “personal hero” — Mashni looked like a giddy fanboy. That’s probably why he let his guard slip a little, admitting to feeling “energised” by, among other things, “the guerrilla army that has withstood for nine months.” In the same breath, he also told the audience, to maniacal cheering, that the state of Israel would be ended in their lifetimes.

Due to word-count limits, it would be difficult to mention every terrorist that Mashni has applauded, but any abridged list ought to include Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas assassinated in Tehran. Mashni had nothing but kind words and tributes for Haniyeh, whom he depicted as a peacemaker and an advocate for a ceasefire and a two-state solution. That’s the same Haniyeh, by the way, whose main problem with October 7 was that it didn’t kill enough Jews; therefore, it would have to be repeated again and again.

Mashni’s outrage about Haniyeh’s death can be set against his reaction to the execution of six Israeli hostages in the Gaza tunnels. When that news broke of that slaughter, Mashni exhorted his Twitter followers not to believe it, surmising that the Zionists were up to their usual mendacious tricks. Of course, Hamas, with their psychopathic boasting and taunting of the dead hostages’ families, would later confirm all the details. Mashni, though, remains unembarrassed by his misjudgement. Viewers of his many TV appearances might wonder if he is removed only by a distance of years from the lowlife and moral defective who threatened to break a child’s limbs in the Victorian countryside.

Going forward, it looks as if APAN’s president will discover new ways to make a pest of himself. He has just urged his supporters to “vote for Palestine at the next election”, meaning that a candidate’s commitment to Gaza would become the litmus test for electoral suitability. It’s yet another example of how anti-Israel fanaticism can derange our politics; the Middle East conflict ought to remain foreign to your local council’s policy, though Mashni and the Greens would prioritise it over bin collection.

I can’t imagine too many Australian voters will enlist in the cause, however. That brings us back to Peter Dutton and his preference for a moratorium on Gazan refugees in the absence of scrupulous vetting. Despite the media’s hyperventilating and name-calling, a majority of the Australian public agrees with the Opposition Leader and his call for prudence. I wonder how much that has to do with the newfound prominence of Hamas cheerleaders among the Palestine activist movement. We already have a surfeit of terror apologists and antisemites, the thinking may go, so why would we actively risk recruiting any more?

Perhaps, in this way, Nasser Mashni has provided an ironic community service. His life and career in Australia, a nation he loathes, work to prove Dutton’s point: character tests on Palestinian entrants are important matters after all.

Incidentally, Mashni’s father sought and was granted refugee status in Australia after falsely claiming to be a persecuted Christian.

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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 11, 2024 8:50 am

Hopefully she’ll end up getting eaten by Haitian immigrants.

Judging by the moral panic over Trump-cat-duck memes, this already appears to be happening.

If there ever was a more urgent need to regulate AI and imprison humourists…

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 11, 2024 8:51 am

Minor party news.
Happened to come across a live stream last night with Avi and Rushkan interviewing UAP Senator Babet and Libertarian MP
John Ruddock from NSW.

Have seen it mentioned elsewhere but Babet confirmed he will not run a 2nd time. However he still has 3 1/2 years to go.

Babet was asked why Craig Kelly left Palmer Party early this year. He said it was because there was nothing going on with no elections. I think the reality is that Palmer is not currently registered as a party anywhere. Kelly joined One Nation.

I well remember 2 years ago a story in SMH when party had been deregistered and Babet was caught out by a journalist as he had not been told. It was not long before VIC election.

Mention was also made that Craig Kelly has just left One Nation. It appears Kelly was trying to encourage One Nation to combine with others, presumably Babet and Libertarians. However got nowhere so left. I saw something that indicated Kelly had not mentioned One Nation on X since June.

During the interview Ruddock gave his party quite a plug and cant see him ever combining with other minor right wing parties.

Would have been nice to see them combine forces but never going to happen.

One Nation has had problems keeping its elected members. They lost Latham and MP Rod Roberts in NSW and their only Qld MP just jumped ship to Katter Party. Pauline’s chief of staff is running for seat of Yeppoon next month.

Kelly has been mates with Ruddock for quite a while and might head that way. However I believe Ross Cameron is state president. Kelly does have a large social media following.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 8:53 am

Poor Zali… wants to ruin their lives, their incomes, but this crybully is the victim here. The Queen of the Parliament House Plastics.

No no, she doesn’t want to ruin their lives, she wants to ruin all our lives.

Steggall and teals demand 75pc emissions cut target by 2035 (Paywallian)

Zali Steggall has led the teal MPs’ call for a 2035 target of 75 per cent to be set by February, declaring Australia “must go from being a laggard to a leader in climate action”.

She’s completely delusional. And that a nominally conservative electorate should vote for such a looney is suicidal madness.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 11, 2024 11:42 am

The old blue ribbon seats are not worth worrying about anymore. It’s the outer suburbs and the regions where hope lies.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 8:55 am

Police horses pelted with poo, tomatoes; Roads blocked as protest turns uglyPolice and horses have been pelted with tomatoes and manure as anti-weapons protesters swarm the city, shutting down roads and causing commuter chaos on key Melbourne thoroughfares.

From the Hun. Don’t Victorian coppers have tear gas and truncheons any more?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 8:58 am

Or non lethal ammo for their M4’s, 40mm & shotty’s…

Pogria
Pogria
September 11, 2024 9:33 am

Tear Gas and Truncheons are only to be used against Covid deniers.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 11, 2024 10:22 am

Only for little old ladies.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 10:23 am

Working Together for a Safer Victoria

All right. I confess. I stole that from London plod.

They seem to be VicPlod’s model.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 9:14 am

McPhillamys gold mine: Questions raised over 1912 newspaper article and burial siteQuestions have been raised over a 1912 newspaper article which informed the establishment of an Indigenous burial site within the area of a proposed gold mine.
@LeemingLachie

2 min read
September 11, 2024 – 5:00AM

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Experts have expressed doubt over the evidence used to establish the presence of an Aboriginal burial site at a proposed gold mine site in central-west NSW, which included a 1912 newspaper article referring to “the thickness” of a skull found in the area.
The decision to register an Aboriginal burial site within the footprint of the McPhillamys gold mine site, near Blayney was based off an article in a 1912 edition of The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate, which stated human remains were found at the site and were judged to be Indigenous “by the thickness of the skull”.
The presence of a burial site was among the evidence tendered as part of an application for a section 10 ban for the mine site – which Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek granted last month for a portion of the area, in a move set to torpedo the $1 billion McPhillamys project.
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/2cd7b43cbaa9c4ec1372960afb6ac0c9
An article in the The Dubbo Liberal and Macquarie Advocate on November 15, 1912 speaks about a skull that was found near what is now the site of a proposed gold mine in Blayney NSW, Near Orange. Picture: Supplied
While Ms Plibersek’s statement on the burial site found it constituted a “significant Aboriginal area”, it’s not included within the section 10 ban area, due to it being “outside of the direct disturbance footprint by approximately 600 metres”.
It came as experts warned over the validity of a decision being made over information from 1912, with Emma Kowal, a professor of anthropology at Deakin University, saying it was hard to trust scientific analysis from that time.
“I wouldn’t be taking that finding in 1912 at face value. Even if you could look back and say there was a scientific basis, I don’t think it would hold up to any scrutiny – which is not to say it was not an Aboriginal person, but I wouldn’t trust that scientific finding from 1912 at face value,” she said.
Dr Colin Pardoe, an expert in bio-anthropology and archaeology, said the case could be made the skull was Indigenous based off the article.
“(Skull shape) is one of the characteristics that make Aboriginal people look the way they do, versus European people looking the way we do,” he said.
“People often think we have a generic, moulded type of skull … it’s very much the reverse case. The underlying bone structure very much (decides) what we look like.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 9:18 am

Police horses pelted with poo

News.com.au has the story unpaywalled:

25,000 protesters to surround Land Forces defence expo in Melbourne, sparking chaos (11 Sep)

Protesters are chanting “Free Palestine” and “money for houses and education, not for weapons corporations”. …

Today reporter Christine Ahearn, reporting from the scene, was caught up in the chaos, with protesters surrounding her and trying to grab her microphone as she crossed live to the Nine studio.

She told host Karl Stefanovic there had been a “heated clash” between the group, made up of pro-Palestine and Extinction Rebellion activist groups, and police.

Genocidal antisemites and green stinkies, what an utterly charming bunch of evil ferals. Irony that this is taking place on 9/11.

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Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 9:22 am

Police horses pelted with poo, tomatoes…

Have we heard from the animal activists?

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 9:29 am

Kelly has been mates with Ruddock for quite a while and might head that way. However I believe Ross Cameron is state president. Kelly does have a large social media following

You know, when I read this about Craig Kelly (someone I’ve met numerous times, who also happens to be a very nice bloke), I once again become consumed with furious anger about the nine years of do nothing, incompetent, stab their own in the back, effing stupid Liberals, particularly the last three under the ultimate back stabbing toad…..Smirking Scumbag Morrison.

Back in February 2021, if Scumbag Morrison hadn’t sided with Labor and the Greens against one of his own, Kelly would still be in parliament, representing the seat of Hughes, a once marginal electorate he’d made safely Liberal. Kelly was a popular local member, an eccentric backbencher who spoke his mind about climate change lunacy, about Covid, he spoke up against lockdowns and vaccine mandates. Once upon a time the Liberals tolerated such backbenchers, men such as Wilson Tuckey, Bill Heffernan, to name just a few. No more, the Liberals under Abbott, Turdbull and Scumbag became a motley rump of spineless, weak-kneed, feeble and supine jelly backed progressive light zombies, who ran from any confrontation.

My God, how I despise them all. So much for a a broad church. The NSW Liberals in particular, under scum such as Harwin and Kean, have morphed into a mint green party that trashes Menzies’ party tenets.

But back to the electorate of Hughes. As mentioned above, Kelly was a popular local member and he made the seat a safe seat for the Liberal Party. But in the Redbridge poll last week, one of the few seats the Liberals are in trouble in and might lose is…..

Hughes

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Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 9:32 am

My God, how I despise them all. So much for a broad church. 

I’ve said it many times…broad churches always end up leaning leftwards.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 9:34 am

25,000 protesters to surround Land Forces defence expo in Melbourne, sparking chaos

I do hope Vic Plod send these frothing Jew hating ‘protesters’ a big bill for the police work. You know, like Vic Plod and Syd Plod do for any conservative peaceful gatherings, when we actually require police presence to protect us from the likes of those protesting in Melbourne this morning.

I wonder, is our own Nazi there in Melbourne, throwing excrement at the police?

Pogria
Pogria
September 11, 2024 9:47 am

Most likely shovelling and bagging the excrement for the filth to use.
Ultimate coward, the Gimp.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 10:08 am
Reply to  Pogria

But a nasty police officer might pepper-spray him…

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 11, 2024 10:16 am

He prefers his excrement with icing. Not a chance of sharing.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 11, 2024 9:36 am

I just chucked out a pair of old footy socks that must be 40 years old and guess what? The elastic is still intact.

So why do all my new socks lose their elastic after a couple of years?

</First World problems>

Chris
Chris
September 11, 2024 10:28 am

When my socks were all ‘Holeproof Explorers’ they didn’t get holes. I am still using some almost 40 years later.
New work socks have been binned after a few wears because “Grandpa’s coming out of jail”.

Crossie
Crossie
September 11, 2024 4:28 pm

So why do all my new socks lose their elastic after a couple of years?

‘Cos they were made in China.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 9:39 am

The NSW Liberals in particular, under scum such as Harwin and Kean, have morphed into a mint green party that trashes Menzies’ party tenets.

Speaking of the Speakman and the Harwin…

Speakman, Harwin lashed over ‘disgraceful’ Zoom meeting (Tele, paywalled)

Liberal leader Mark Speakman and party president Don Harwin have turned up to an emergency meeting of the NSW state executive tonight where they have been accused of gagging members and trying to undermine the federal intervention.

You just cannot ever get rid of incompetent slugs and grubs like these. They keep on coming back again like smelly stray tomcats.

bons
bons
September 11, 2024 10:18 am

There is big big money involved for them. Photios inc is everywhere.

vr
vr
September 11, 2024 9:40 am

Are any of FTA channels broadcasting the Trump-Harris debate?

mem
mem
September 11, 2024 9:57 am
Reply to  vr

Yes Channel 7 and Channel 9. Ast 10.55 am AEST.

johanna
johanna
September 11, 2024 10:09 am
Reply to  vr

Nein is, on its Canberra channel at least.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 9:40 am

Nasser Mashni

The solution, as usual, came in his demand for “the decolonisation of Palestine and the ending of Zionism.” 

Agreed, except for the last bit.

The region at the eastern end of the Mediterranean has been Jewish for thousands of years. Muslim Arabs, OTOH, arrived there under 1400 years ago.

The Muslim Arab “settler colonists” must leave.

From the river to the sea, Israel must be free.

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Rosie
Rosie
September 11, 2024 9:41 am

That pic of Trump with a plane full of ducks is hilarious.
Thank goodness for AI because no-one really wants to do that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 11, 2024 10:05 am
Reply to  Rosie

Link? Haven’t seen that one.

Tom
Tom
September 11, 2024 9:42 am

25,000 protesters to surround Land Forces defence expo in Melbourne, sparking chaos

Reporters regularly assigned to what are called police rounds would be able to put together a rivetting story that none of them will actually write: the large percentage of this week’s rent-a-crowd that turns up for every fashionable demo. This week it’s “anti-war”; next week it will be to support Hamas’s war against jews and Western democracies.

I would guess that only a few dozen of the rent-a-mob have any actual interest in the weapons of war. That’s because it’s really about demonstrating that the mob that rules Australian city streets is the same as the anti-democratic rabble that runs Gaza — with the approval of Victoria’s politicised police force, which is now an ALP militia

Indolent
Indolent
September 11, 2024 9:43 am

The host of today’s debate is Kamala Harris’ best friend. I can’t link on my phone but if you go to @catturd2 on X you can read all about it.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 9:50 am

No warnings to not attend.

No ring of steel round the city.

1800 cops to stop thousands of protesters (25K I think is a stretch and propaganda willing accepted by the media)

No NL ammo or show of weapons with escalated force.

Guy with mullet not grabbed & smashed to ground promptly by snatch team.

No nothing really. Not even arrests. Just a couple of meek horse charges.

Wow, anyone still saying we’re not the UK yet? Two teir policing is certainly here…

P.S. Suck eggs to the ch 7 bint, not nice when you are on the other side is it? Just ask Rukshan or Avi.

Pogria
Pogria
September 11, 2024 9:51 am

Marty Morton from Marty and Emu fame has died.
sob…

Rosie
Rosie
September 11, 2024 9:58 am
m0nty
September 11, 2024 9:59 am

It would be hilarious if Trump loses Florida on the back of Haitian votes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 10:18 am
Reply to  m0nty

Why would illegal immigrants be voting in Florida Monty?

I hope you don’t own a cat or a dog.

Perhaps there are culinary geniuses in certain parts of Melbourne that might appreciate them more than you do. At least briefly.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 11:15 am

Note that mUnturd assumes that non-citizens will vote. He also screeches that there is no such thing as electoral rigging there.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 11, 2024 10:02 am

It would be hilarious if Trump loses Florida on the back of Haitian votes

The Haitians will resist. Right down to the very last cat.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 10:06 am

Here we go…

Finally ninja turtles & weapons appear.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:14 am

A response to Roger’s 8:40 a.m. post:

Promulgate: To make known to the public; popularize or advocate. (American Heritage Dictionary online). [My bolding].

While we (rightly) decry the moral degeneracy of Mashni, those who repeatedly enable his provocations by providing unconditional forums to promulgate his message, escape censure or even mild attention. I write, of course, about our media, both publicly and privately owned.

Without their resources, such individuals would possess a more limited sphere of influence, even on the internet.

What I’m advocating is a greater focus on the role of the media in actively promulgating violent rhetoric that any reasonable person would consider might potentially incite an individual to commit a violent act.

Apparently we have laws for this, but we all know those will not be applied to a protected class, especially when corporate entities are benefiting from manipulating that same class.

In lieu of the implementation of existing legal protections, the media must be held socially responsible for providing material support to those who advocate violence as a political tactic.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 10:15 am

Via Instapundit just now. The WIP is so not going to be short of material this week…

Whiners Cry Racism in 3 … 2 … 1: Here Are the BEST, Funniest Cat Memes Prowling Around on Twitter/X (Twitchy, 10 Sep)

bons
bons
September 11, 2024 10:48 am

The cleverest collection of memes I have ever seen.

High impact.

Chris
Chris
September 11, 2024 10:19 am

Lawgi I hate to be so dull, but The Sea Breeze is concisely called “the sea breeze” everywhere from Hopetoun to Carnarvon. Even “the Fremantle Doctor” is maybe a growth from the “docker”, a steady Westerly which would carry boats to the bays.

Those of us who like to play with the wind LUURVE the sea breeze with carnal passion. In the Great Southern farms the Doctor is eagerly awaited on hot, still summer days. I am aware of no other names for it than the Albany and Freo Doctors named.

But paying attention to the wind some interesting features come out.

The sea breeze in Perth is seasonal, beginning when the Commodore of the RPYC fires the cannon in October and runs through summer to early April.

Its direction is not westerly but from the SSW. On the beach it starts around 8-9am, and windburns everyone from then on. The rilling edge of it slowly proceeds inland. It reaches the start line of the yacht races at 1:55 exactly, and all the jib sheets pull tight at once as they turn for the line.
Pregnant ladies whose houses are not air conditioned have ironing sprays in hand or take the kids to the Library until the appointed hour of relief, later and later as you go further inland.

I highly recommend seabreeze.com.au for further information.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 11, 2024 10:28 am
Reply to  Chris

The sea breeze is a major reason why Perth does not have daylight saving. Only an Eastern Stater would go to the beach at 4pm.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 10:20 am

Wow, the Nazi protesters in Melbourne are hurling excrement and rocks.

I see our own Nazi has popped up….are you there, Nazi?

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 11:22 am

Nah, he won’t be there. That physical stuff is too difficult for a donut.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 11, 2024 10:27 am

Today is September 11.
Lest We Forget.

I caught it on the news about 11pm our time and saw the 2nd plane hit and never went to bed that night.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:52 am
Reply to  Bourne1879

I recall thinking ‘This is surreal.’

Pogria
Pogria
September 11, 2024 5:10 pm
Reply to  Bourne1879

Same here. Devastating.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 10:30 am

Too busy worrying about Trump memes to remember the ones who perished.

The USA became a banana republic in November 2020. We are seeing the results right now.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 11, 2024 10:34 am

Bongsmoke, it’s not just for breakfast anymore…

Austfailures leading mongconomist postulates expenditure on public admin as more vital to the economy than mining.

https://x.com/GrogsGamut/status/1833286862016024950

https://x.com/GrogsGamut/status/1833286862016024950

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 10:59 am

mongconomist

If only the Catictionary hadn’t become boring and tedious!
Love it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 11:24 am

Too stupid to understand that much of that “public administration” is financed by the mining (and agricultural) sector.

No mining and agriculture, minimal public administration.

And many fewer cats, dogs, possums, wallabies and such.

Tom
Tom
September 11, 2024 10:35 am

Australian Associated Press is reporting:

By slashing the power and influence of environmental groups to challenge mining proposals if he wins government, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has anointed himself the resource sector’s best friend.

Mr Dutton will commit to defunding the Environmental Defenders Office and limiting the the ability for third parties to challenge decisions under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act if he becomes prime minister.

“A government that I lead will not allow activists to dictate economic policy and to pull the handbrake on our prosperity,” Mr Dutton will say in an address to the Minerals Council of Australia on Wednesday.

“And we will cut green tape while striking the right balance between our responsibilities to the environment and the economy.”

The Environmental Defenders Office, the national body dedicated to protecting climate and communities through running litigation and advocating for law reform, had millions of dollars of federal funding restored by Labor after it was cut in 2013.

Mr Dutton’s promise comes after Minerals Council chief executive Tania Constable declared miners are “under siege” from a steady stream of restrictive policy interventions.

The opposition leader slammed the Albanese government’s “excessive intervention, undue regulation, and skyrocketing energy costs”, saying it has plunged the sector into “hardship, hurdles and headwinds”.

“Labor is worried about losing votes to Greens candidates in inner-city seats so the party is looking to shore-up that constituency ahead of an election,” Mr Dutton will say.

“The government is putting partisan interests and political survival ahead of the national interest.”

He promised to “turbocharge” the mining sector to help steer the nation through the economic slump and into another boom.

“A Dutton coalition government will be the best friend that the mining and resources sector in Australia will ever have,” he will say.

“I want to see more excavators digging, more gas flowing, and more trucks moving.

“And that requires removing those regulatory roadblocks which have needlessly inhibited projects coming online until years after they should have started.”

The industry body has campaigned against Labor’s “reckless” industrial relations changes.

Ms Constable said Australia had workplace regulations that consistently improved wages and productivity, while keeping workers safe.

“We need the government to explain why it is so determined to tear up successful workplace arrangements and drag us back to the failed ways of the past,” she said.

Mr Dutton reiterated his party’s push for an energy future consisting of renewables firmed by gas and nuclear, with plans to ramp up domestic gas production in the short term.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 11:05 am
Reply to  Tom

Not enough. Defund public portion of the EDO donations.

Reinstate Abbotts laws that would hamstring third parties having standing.

I’d go further and allow awarding of losses against green groups & individuals but I guess companies need to man up and do this in civil courts.

Chris
Chris
September 11, 2024 10:38 am

Today is September 11.

Lest We Forget.

We travelled in the couple of days after to London and Morocco.
Another couple from Melbourne didn’t come on the tour. They got an email from their daughter:

I am OK – it hit the other one.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 10:39 am

Ahaha! Thanks Bruce.

I just has to be this one! Old school, but perfect.

Not-in-Kansas-any-more
LB2
LB2
September 11, 2024 10:39 am

Following the rules:

Untitled
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 10:39 am

It’s just Haitians doing what they do at home.

Not only Haitians.

Animal sacrifices on the rise in Queens with chickens, pigs being tortured in ‘twisted’ rituals (NYP, 7 Sep, via Instapundit)

When I read the headline I instantly thought voodoo, but it turns out not to be them. Fascinating the cultural baggage that some communities bring to the West with. A bit hard on all the animals and birds though.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 11, 2024 10:56 am

Zali Steggall has led the teal MPs’ call for a 2035 target of 75 per cent to be set by February, declaring Australia “must go from being a laggard to a leader in climate action”.

She’s completely delusional.

The Climate Change Authority (prop. Matt Kean) says a 65%-75% 2035 target is “ambitious”.

How ambitious is CCS ‘ambitious’?

The CCA’s 2024 interim report gives us a roadmap to the sunlit uplands of Net Zero by 2050 – with 2035 the waypoint by when results will be really kicking in.

Third cheapest renewable electricity in the World (behind China and India);

Green hydrogen;
Green ammonia;
Green steel;
Green cement;
Critical energy minerals worth 2x coal;
Powerhouse manufacturing renewable energy components out the wazoo;
Carbon capture and storage;
Carbon credit markets.

A grateful world beating a path to dive into Australia’s renewable cornucopia.

All independently supported by CSIRO and Climate Council modelling.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 11, 2024 10:57 am

I Googled Ohio. First line was Ohio and 2nd was Ohio Haitians.

A Republican state where JD Vance is from.

If I was Trump I would definitely mention the Haitians and let Harris try to explain it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 12:14 pm
Reply to  Bourne1879

That it is a Republican state might explain the arrival of a new voteherd.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 11, 2024 10:57 am

Jeebus.
She’s the Mother of the Nation and he’s the delinquent father who went out for a pack of Newports.
Apparently.

Muddy
Muddy
September 11, 2024 11:02 am

Wasn’t there talk a while back about Vikpol purchasing several self-propelled artillery pieces? With smart munitions, of course.

Chris
Chris
September 11, 2024 11:06 am
Reply to  Muddy

I see what you did there, Digger.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 11:06 am

Legal system in this country is beholden to the woke mob. Latho loses:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13836291/Mark-Latham-independent-nsw-mp-alex-greenwich-sexually-explicit-tweet.html

Hope he appeals.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 11:08 am

If I was Trump I would definitely mention the Haitians and let Harris try to explain it.

That would be very fine trolling since she has Caribbean heritage too…

?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 11:11 am

Today is September 11

We were flying out three weeks later for a holiday in Europe.

Mme Zulu and I looked at each other, and decided airport security would be as tight as….which it was.

A Mooslime who refused to allowed his wives to remove their veils for a secuity check was arrested, and frogmarched off with an airport copper grinding a Glock pistol in his ear to teach him reverence and respect…The other airport cops were carrying Heckler and Koch sub machine guns….

Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 11:13 am

It’s just Haitians doing what they do at home.

It’s all culturally relative.

Right?

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 11:20 am

Oh dear. Kamala is desperate to have babies killed in utero.

Tears are just about to roll.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 11:24 am
Reply to  calli

The problem with trying to appeal to childless cat ladies is Haitians…

Titus Groates
Titus Groates
September 11, 2024 11:21 am

Greenwich has won the damages case against Latham.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 11, 2024 11:34 am
Reply to  Titus Groates

Yup seems the feelz and party invites are more important than actual justice these days…

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 11:21 am

And…she trots out the 12 year old incest victim. And Project 25.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 11:23 am
calli
calli
September 11, 2024 11:25 am

Apparently Trump’s abortion ban is stopping IVF. And women on planes next to strangers for health care.

Trump goes in hard on her lie about the IVF claim.

calli
calli
September 11, 2024 11:26 am

I thought the mics were to be muted.

Harris interrupting Trump.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 11, 2024 11:27 am
Reply to  calli

snap Calli !

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 11, 2024 11:27 am

What were the microphone rules again? Kamala seems to be interrupting.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 11:30 am
Reply to  hzhousewife

‘technical difficulties’

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 11:53 am
Reply to  hzhousewife

Leftard “privilege”. Rules are for non-leftards.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:31 am

Harris is going to lie her way through this and the ABC are not helping Trump at all, even letting her mike stay on at times. The ABC are actually entering into the argument, but they are trying to refute him, not her.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 5:38 pm
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

But the media have done this to Trump every time they get to organise these gabfests.
Why do we think it was going to be different this time?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 11, 2024 11:41 am

See you in the gulag fellow Cats.

Albanese government set to introduce landmark new hate speech and doxing laws to parliament (Sky News, 11 Sep)

The proposed laws have reportedly targeted derogatory remarks based on gender, sexuality, race, disability and religion.

We all know what they mean. I wonder when they will ban the Bible?

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:42 am

There’s an obvious difference between the ABC treatment here compared to the CNN one back when Biden shot himself in both feet. Harris appears to be getting favourable treatment.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:43 am

She’s a fracking liar, and is getting the soft treatment.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:45 am

ABC now attacking Trump and accusing him of fomenting J6.
That’s a disgrace.

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Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 11:57 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

A bit linked through Insty today told of a J6 convicts’ experience in prison.

Echoes of CDL Pell’s reception in the Melbourne Assessment Prison, great respect, praised by the ordinary prisoners as a “patriot”.

When leftards have lost the criminal class …

Roger
Roger
September 11, 2024 11:47 am

Keeping your head may just save your soul

Hyperreality meets holocaust denial in the insanity of the social media age

Sebastian Milbank, The Critic, 11 September 2024

The world has gone mad. It’s a thought many people throughout human history must have had, especially during the nightly news (or bardic equivalents thereof). But what is different today is the capacity of a mad world to make people mad. Madness is poured into our ears and eyes by the omnipresent power of social media, fueled by a general disintegration of trust and authority. Those of us who make our livings sailing upon this baleful ocean experience this more than most. 

Like most awful things skittering out of the shadows of a dystopian future, there’s a name for it invented by a French philosopher — hyperreality. Baudrillard argued that the advent of ever more powerful digital technology would cause the virtual to become more powerful and more attractive than reality itself.

RTWT 

This is why I have no social media accounts.

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The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 11, 2024 11:48 am

Kamala persists with lies even after discredited.

And in other news, water is wet.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:49 am

J6 was infiltrated and those who broke the windows looked a lot like Antifa, but the MSM will never admit it. ABC not only accuses Trump of fomenting an insurrection but now gives Harris an opportunity to spew lies and regurgitate the “good people on both sides” hoax.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 11, 2024 11:49 am

Sadly, our woke plods won’t do this now.

A Mooslime who refused to allowed his wives to remove their veils for a secuity check was arrested, and frogmarched off with an airport copper grinding a Glock pistol in his ear 

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 11, 2024 11:51 am

Albany and Freo loom large in the imaginations of their tribute populations, cos that’s the transport terminals and ports where so much commerce and commution has flowed through… but there’s plenty of WA where they are out of mind, out of sight and waaaay out of any geodesic weather phenomenonses…
…hence, the Sea Breeze*.
I hold the afternoon Sea Breeze as the immovable bulwark against the city-folk curse of Daylight Savings, blight of the Eastern Dark.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 11, 2024 11:52 am

This is what happens when a people vote in a government that invades a neighbour, kills and rapes its citizens, takes hostages and then murder them if they look like being rescued. You’d think ANYONE would see the connection, but not an Arab.
Just how stupid can a people be?

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:52 am

Next, ABC accuses Trump of not accepting the result of the last election, as if that was a bad thing. They are so transparently partisan.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 11, 2024 11:52 am

ABC are doing Kamala’s job for her.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 11, 2024 11:52 am

ABC seems to be debating Trump.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 11, 2024 12:17 pm
Reply to  hzhousewife

Well, KamelToe isn’t capable of doing so, someone has to keep the viewers interested

Helen
Helen
September 11, 2024 12:23 pm
Reply to  hzhousewife

Yes it is a 3 v 1 ‘debate’.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 11, 2024 11:54 am

You can guarantee any hate speech laws will end up like “two tiered policing”. Say what you like about the Christians and Jews but must not say anything negative about the religion of peace or First Nations.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 11:56 am

You can guarantee any hate speech laws will end up like “two tiered policing”. Say what you like about the Christians and Jews but must not say anything negative about the religion of peace or First Nations.

That’s the plan.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 11, 2024 12:00 pm

‘No one wants another Juukan Gorge’: PlibersekBy Mike Foley
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has warned the nation’s miners that it cannot afford a repeat of Rio Tinto’s Juukan Gorge catastrophe, after weeks of intense criticism from the industry over her decision to reject a company’s applications on Indigenous heritage grounds.
“No one wants to see another Juukan Gorge,” Plibersek said today at the Minerals Council of Australia annual conference.

The federal environment minister last month vetoed a tailings dam at the headwaters of the Belubula River, which had been propped by WA-based miner Resources for its McPhillamys gold project near Blayney in Central West NSW.
“Your industry witnessed firsthand the disastrous attempt at cultural heritage law reform in WA,” Plibersek said.
“All those years of work you spent assisting government develop those reforms were wasted – leaving you no progress and no greater certainty.”
Rio Tinto’s destruction of the 46,000-year-old Juukan Gorge rock shelters in May 2020 ignited worldwide condemnation and created a crisis for the miner.
Rio was legally permitted to blast the site to make way for an expansion of the Brockman 4 iron ore mine, but went against the wishes of the traditional owners – the Puutu Kunti Kurrama and Pinikura (PKKP) people.
Plibersek’s tailings dam veto was issued under Section 10 of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Heritage Protection Act, finding in favour of the Wiradyuri Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation.
Regis Resources project can proceed with an alternate location for its tailings dam, but the company has claimed it has been delayed by up to 10 years.

Cassie of Sydney
September 11, 2024 12:00 pm

“When Mr Latham published his tweet, my life changed forever. The tweet was, effectively, a reductionist caricature of me which caused me enormous damage,” he said in a statement. “I took legal action to repair my reputation. Mr Latham’s Tweet was personal and sexually aggressive.”

Mr Greenwich accused Mr Latham of launching a “Trump-style” attack on him, saying it had “no place in Australian public life”.

Hmm, there’s a lot that can be said about Mr Greenwich, most of it very, very unsavoury. But given the two tier society we live in, where truth no longer matters, I will keep my mouth shut.

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