Open Thread – Thurs 19 Sept 2024


Orchard in Bloom, Claude Monet, 1879

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JC
JC
September 20, 2024 3:42 pm
calli
calli
September 20, 2024 5:24 pm
Reply to  JC

How to sound “deep” while paddling at the shallow end.

Actually, the arms are flailing, so it might be drowning in its own sludge.

Ellie
Ellie
September 22, 2024 11:47 am
Reply to  JC

I speak with emotion, but I am not in denial about what is happening.
Did I say more “Is” than cassie does in her screeds of victim shite!

Last edited 3 months ago by Ellie
Ellie
Ellie
September 22, 2024 11:51 am
Reply to  JC

You once questioned me about saying ‘Cassandra’, JC. Cassie is Cassandra on Tim’s blog. I didn’t disclose anything that wasn’t already there. I am no dill.

Pickle

1735099
1735099
September 20, 2024 3:47 pm

More anti-vax bullshit –
The deadly and harmful ingredients of the monkeypox (mpox) vaccine
The reality  
Out of 13,294 research articles initially identified, 187 were screened after removing duplicates. Following the inclusion and exclusion criteria, the meta-analysis included ten studies with 7430 patients. Three researchers independently assessed the risk of bias in the included study. The pooled results suggest that the vaccinia-exposed group had fewer side effects when compared to the vaccinia naïve group (odds ratio: 1.66; 95% CI: 1.07–2.57; p = 0.03). Overall, the modified vaccinia has proven safe and effective in both vaccinia naïve and previously exposed groups, with higher efficacy in the previously exposed groups.
Source – Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, School of Public Health, College of Health Sciences, Jackson State University, Jackson, MS 39217, USA

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:16 pm
Reply to  1735099

Try not to have sex with men Numbers.
That way you don’t need the monkeypox vaccine.

1735099
1735099
September 20, 2024 4:26 pm

Try not to have sex with men Numbers.
So you’re an expert on the subject?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:43 pm
Reply to  1735099

Roughly 99% of transmissions of monkeypox are due to men having sex with men. It’s fun how coy the medical industrial complex has been about this.

Oh, and here’s a good tip: avoid gay bathhouses.

Zippster
Zippster
September 22, 2024 2:16 pm
Reply to  1735099

not that there’s anything wrong with that, is it numbies

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 20, 2024 9:53 pm
Reply to  1735099

Phuck off khunt

Figures
Figures
September 20, 2024 10:51 pm
Reply to  1735099

You’re an imbecile numbers.

There’s no way to account for the placebo effect in vaccine trials.

If any participant has some kind of a reaction (even if minor) they’ll correctly assume they got the vaccine (rather than placebo) and manipulate the results in favour of the vaccine (as they’re all pro-vax).

John H.
John H.
September 20, 2024 11:41 pm
Reply to  Figures

Hey Psycho Boy, take your meds.

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 3:55 pm

NYT journo Olivia Nuzzi has been having some sort of dalliance with RFK Jnr while reporting on national politics from Washington, including a nice profile of him and several nasty pieces on Biden. The age difference is decades, he is married, she is engaged. Eww.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:16 pm
Reply to  m0nty

RFK jr is one of yours Monty.
He’s had maybe one red pill, that’s all.
Still a far lefty.

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 4:30 pm

He is literally campaigning with Trump. You idiot.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:50 pm
Reply to  m0nty

Enemy of my enemy Monty. I’m sure you have heard of that principle. Divide and conquer. Listen to the lamentation of da wymmin the salt the earth.

RFK jr is far left, although he’s seen some light on mRNA. He’s also moving towards reality on climate rubbish too. Good. I hope he keeps on in this direction, but the voters he will be stealing are from the Left.

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 4:52 pm

The reason he abandoned his own and joined the Trump campaign was that he was stealing significantly more votes from Trump.

You never tire of being wrong about easily debunked nonsense, Bruce.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 5:08 pm
Reply to  m0nty

Did I just see today that 60% of the Teamsters rank and file support Trump? And that they blame Biden’s stupid EV mandate? He’s the blue collar candidate. You know: the demo that RFK jr appeals to.

It’s fun that the Dem controlled courts are refusing to take RFK jr off the ballot, yet do not require Biden to be ON the ballot despite being the democratically chosen candidate AND they are removing Cornell West FROM the ballot despite the latter being completely qualified and willing (plus suing to remain). Talk about a stacked deck. Why are Lefties so antidemocratic Monty?

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 20, 2024 4:25 pm
Reply to  m0nty

Teddy Kennedy makes RFK Jnr look like a Trappist monk.

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
September 20, 2024 3:58 pm

Poor Sneakers. Wonder what he was up to?

Checking on vacancies for toddler day care.

Cassie of Sydney
September 20, 2024 3:59 pm

Hindsight is both a good and bad thing, in some some ways it’s a curse. We all like to pontificate and judge years after something has transpired, or in this case years after John Howard was PM. I’m the queen of hindsight. But sometimes even I need to sit back and take a chill pill. It’s hard to believe that it has now been nearly 17 years since Howard was PM, 2007 is now a distant time, and in that time since Howard was ignominiously booted (and remember, he lost his seat in that election) I do agree that this country has slipped deeper into a quagmire of bad governance and stupidity. But we should remember that when we judge Howard’s tenure as PM we are often comparing apples and oranges, 2024 is far removed from 2007 and particularly from 1996.

Whilst I do think Howard squandered opportunities, particularly during his last three years of governance when the Liberals actually had a senate majority (the last time and they are unlikely ever to do so again), as Johanna has accurately written here on this pages before, during those last Howard years nobody was calling for the ABC to be privatised or dismantled, and if such a proposition had been raised in cabinet, everyone at the time would have scoffed at such an absurd idea.

2024 is very different to 2007. We don’t need the ABC in 2024.

I’m no great defender of John Howard, I recognise his mistakes but compared to what we’ve had since him, as in Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turdbull, Morrison and now the grub from Grayndler, dunno about others here but I’ll take ‘little Johnny Howard’ as PM any day. In fact, If I could reside in a dimension where I had revolving years of Hawke and Howard as PM, I’d go there in a jiffy!

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 20, 2024 4:32 pm

Howard thinks that democracy should be played by the rules. He’s right, but it needs both sides to do so. That ship sailed in the US quite some time ago and all Trump is doing is using the dems playbook against them. To ignore that the dems contested every election in the last 20 year they didn’t win leaves something to be desired.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 20, 2024 4:02 pm

Check out this Orca hunt @15:07. This occurs of the coast of Western Australia near Cape Range National Park.

Probably some of the best of the best footage ever captured of a Orca hunt.

They turn into torpedoes and knock the calf out and drag it away.

Ruthless. But hey, that’s nature.

—-

B2B Castaways (Strick and Fran)

Chasing GIANT LOBSTER in a Nature Documentary (ORCAS HUNT)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:26 pm
Reply to  Steve trickler

Interesting article at Phys.org today.

Scientists unearth key clues to cuisine of resident killer whale populations (19 Sep)

The matriarchs teach the kiddies.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 20, 2024 4:31 pm

Look out Great White Sharks.

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 4:04 pm

Big news day in America. Latest is Matt Gaetz and a live girl.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:14 pm
Reply to  m0nty

I just did a search. There’re years and years of this sort of stuff.
It’s just possible that the Democrats don’t like him!

Kneel
Kneel
September 20, 2024 4:07 pm

“Was Tupperware still being sold via party plan?”

Their can openers are extremely good, especially for older people – it un-picks the seam rather than cutting, so no sharp edges and no need to even rinse it after use (no part touches the can contents). I’ve had mine for 15 years, still going great.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 20, 2024 4:09 pm

How Government Nudge Units Secretly Influence Us: Laura Dodsworth

Maybe we’d trust governments more if they closed down their Nudge Units.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 20, 2024 4:43 pm
Reply to  DrBeauGan

I wouldn’t. Wife is international expert in her field. Gets paid stupidamount. Leaving job as boss wants it done his way with no expertise in her field. Daughter losing contract to cheaper provider even though client said wouldn’t have got job done as quickly nor as well but has no say in the hiring. Both jobs are of national importance.

Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 4:19 pm
JC
JC
September 20, 2024 4:27 pm

m0nty

September 20, 2024 4:04 pm

Big news day in America. Latest is Matt Gaetz and a live girl.

Oh, sworn testimony? Well, that settles it, right? If you’re wheeling this barrow around, tubby, then I guess we also have to accept the affidavit from the ABC whistleblower claiming Kamaltoe rigged the debate, right? Or is outrage applied selectively?

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 4:47 pm
Reply to  JC

Show me the court where this ABC affidavit is lodged.

Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 4:34 pm
Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 4:39 pm
Arky
September 20, 2024 4:40 pm

Welcome to Monty’s Scandal Sheet News.
My Baby’s Father is An Alien!
RFK Jnr’s Steamy Dalliance!
Black Nazi Governor!

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 4:49 pm
Reply to  Arky

David Pecker of the National Enquirer used to bury these stories for Trump.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:52 pm
Reply to  Arky

I didn’t think Monty was a Governor but the other two headlines are plausible.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 20, 2024 4:46 pm

Much wow.
Very surprise.
Numberwang is a vax fanboi.

“Govern me harder daddy”.

govern
alwaysright
alwaysright
September 20, 2024 4:48 pm

+20,000 ticks for that

1735099
1735099
September 20, 2024 5:18 pm

My brother is the medico for a couple of aged care facilities.
He saw the vaccine save the lives of many of his patients.
Cretins with your mental illness continue to be responsible for the current epidemic of Whooping Cough.

MatrixTransform
September 20, 2024 6:56 pm
Reply to  1735099

non sequitur

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 20, 2024 7:52 pm
Reply to  1735099

Im also a medic, and I saw, first hand a man have a severe reaction to a shot (expected, he often had reactions) within 5 minutes.
I then witnessed the WA government health department say, and this was their words, “maybe it wasnt the shot, it could have been caused by anything, maybe a change in the weather”.

It was a shit vaccine.
It was poorly targeted.

And by pushing it on the vast majority of people who didnt need it they took their eye off the people who were most likely to be affected (elderly).

They also completely abandoned the 2019 pandemic plan, (based on WHO recommendations) and took actions which SCIENCE had informed them were ineffective.

Which has led to the previously quite good reputation of vaccines (especially childhood) being badly damaged.

Mong off now, you government catamite.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 4:58 pm
Reply to  Rosie

Phys.org had a nice write up on the Ignobels some days ago. They’re always fun! I liked that hair whorls tend to be clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and anticlockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.

Backside breathing and pigeon bombers studies win Ig Nobel prizes (14 Sep)

alwaysright
alwaysright
September 20, 2024 4:49 pm

Has anyone senn montynumber and numbermonty in the same room?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 20, 2024 4:54 pm
Philby
Philby
September 20, 2024 4:57 pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-if-i-lose-election-jewish-people-will-have-a-lot-to-do-with-it/

Same as here why vote for those who would destroy you the teaching makes no sense.

alwaysright
alwaysright
September 20, 2024 4:58 pm

Can we beef up our sedition and traitor laws?
Rope at dawn.

I can imagine a long queue of our politicians forming.

JC
JC
September 20, 2024 5:03 pm

I came across an article comparing Elon Musk to Howard Hughes, and honestly, Musk seems like the introvert Hughes. I had to dive into Hughes’ Wikipedia page for the full saga.
Only in America can you get a guy like Howard Hughes—part eccentric genius, and the very definition of chaos.

At a young age, Hughes Jr. showed interest in science and technology. In particular, he had a great engineering aptitude, and built Houston’s first “wireless” radio transmitter at age 11. He went on to be one of the first licensed ham-radio operators in Houston, having the assigned callsign W5CY (originally 5CY). At 12, Hughes was photographed for the local newspaper, which identified him as the first boy in Houston to have a “motorized” bicycle, which he had built from parts of his father’s steam engine. He was an indifferent student, with a liking for mathematics, flying, and mechanics. He took his first flying lesson at 14, and attended Fessenden School in Massachusetts in 1921.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 20, 2024 5:08 pm
Reply to  JC

I’ve thought they were very similar for years JC.

johanna
johanna
September 20, 2024 6:31 pm
Reply to  GreyRanga

Yup. Re-watched The Amazing Howard Hughes recently, good movie, and there are many parallels.

Indolent
Indolent
September 20, 2024 5:06 pm
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 20, 2024 8:58 pm
Reply to  Indolent

Old people may not have a lot of years left, but you can bet your life they may just decide to go out with a bang if you piss them off enough.

Vicki
Vicki
September 20, 2024 5:08 pm

I am not a fan of Piers Morgan, but I have seen Jordan Petersen talk on contemporary society and its mores, & can never hear enough of his profound analysis of the human condition. Below is an interview of Peterson by Morgan, particularly focussing on the US election and the tempest that is the West. Well worth the almost 60 minutes of attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zxgXgLlJo

JC
JC
September 20, 2024 5:10 pm

Fatboy:

m0nty

September 20, 2024 4:47 pm

Show me the court where this ABC affidavit is lodged.

Tubbs, an affidavit is like our statuary declaration. It needs to be sworn but doesn’t require lodging with a court, you big fat idiot.

m0nty
m0nty
September 20, 2024 5:46 pm
Reply to  JC

Ah, so there is no evidence it is real then.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 20, 2024 8:06 pm
Reply to  m0nty

If, like former judge Marcus Einstein, you swear a false statutory declaration (or affidavit), you can be dragged before a court and be jailed for perjury.

Stop displaying your gross ignorance, it is becoming embarrassing.

Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 5:16 pm
Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 6:00 pm
Reply to  Rosie

Psychopath

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 20, 2024 9:01 pm
Reply to  Rosie

Do they not even understand that people can be pushed too far?
Have they no frigging idea of the sound of tumbrils on cobblestones makes?

chrisl
chrisl
September 20, 2024 5:22 pm

Keir Starmer now known as Free Gear Keir after accepting over $100,000 of free stuff since 2020. Including suits dresses for his wife and football tickets . Two things the Poms hate , queue jumpers and hypocrites

Lysander
Lysander
September 20, 2024 5:31 pm
Reply to  chrisl

I did predict it on the Cat some months ago that Keir would win (and, sure, anyone could tell you that) but I also predicted he wouldn’t survive the full term.

I should’ve put some cash on it at the time!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 5:30 pm

Keir Starmer now known as Free Gear Keir

Would that be this Sir Keir Starmer?

‘Screaming hypocrite’ Keir Starmer torn apart for rejoicing in Boris Johnson’s ‘sleaze’ (17 Sep)

Labour is so like Labor.

cohenite
September 20, 2024 5:37 pm

I’m no great defender of John Howard, I recognise his mistakes but compared to what we’ve had since him, as in Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Turdbull, Morrison and now the grub from Grayndler, dunno about others here but I’ll take ‘little Johnny Howard’ as PM any day.

And that is the very reason he is the worst. He is ostensibly the best, the wise old sage who people refer to and respect. Because he is held in high regard he is capable of being that more damaging. Forget about all his failures that I’ve outlined, just consider what he said about Trump, that Trump is a threat to democracy because Trump would not accept the umpire’s finger: I say, bad sport old toast!

Every POTUS election in the US has featured objections, law suits, protests and even revolutions. In 2000 when Bush beat Gore, the legal actions went on for months.

When Trump won in 2016 there were riots in DC for weeks. Trump was bugged, everyone from shrillary down called him illegal; idiots walked around carrying Trump’s severed heads and there many demands he be assassinated. When that ended they spent 2 years on the Russian dossier and when that failed they impeached him repeatedly and BLM and antifa riots went on for years. How about that for an election rejection. The umpire was not only ignored he was taken out the back, tarred and feathered and then shot.

Yet the sage of the liberal party is rejecting Trump because Trump complained about corrupt practices during the election: corrupt practices we know to have happened. We also know Jan 6 was an inside job and Trump was blameless even if anything happened which it did not.

Little johnnie’s TDS is no less virulent just because he is so wise and calm and measured. His faux wise demeanour makes it worse. And that is why he is the worst.

calli
calli
September 20, 2024 5:44 pm
Reply to  cohenite

The worst are the ones who disappoint us the most.

Cassie of Sydney
September 20, 2024 5:46 pm
Reply to  calli

You have a point, for me that would be Tony Abbott.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 20, 2024 9:03 pm
Reply to  cohenite

The traitor inside the gates is more deadly than ten enemies outside the walls.

Lysander
Lysander
September 20, 2024 5:37 pm

I was out getting my double bass rebridged this AM (“only” cost $400) and came across the most gorgeous Czech I’ve ever seen!!! She was a beauty.

Nice curves, red and a great body, she was made in 1907 in Czechoslovakia; of a fine rustic spruce and only costs $6,500. She is, of course, a violin. And one of the finest I’ve played…

This is going to take some saving…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 5:57 pm
Reply to  Lysander

I was out getting my double bass rebridged this AM (“only” cost $400) and came across the most gorgeous Czech I’ve ever seen!!! She was a beauty.

Obviously a romance with a double bass.

I think it was accompanying Holy Grail when I saw it at the flicks. A fun short feature!

Lysander
Lysander
September 20, 2024 6:02 pm

Paul Shrimpton of The Spinning Image also called it “surprisingly innocent and naive” despite Cleese and Booth spending most of the time naked; he also praised their performances “scattered with typical Cleese lunacy here and there”

LOL!!! 😛

Jock
Jock
September 20, 2024 6:48 pm
Reply to  Lysander

Laddie. My old Pipe Major who is now 84 was given a set of pipes when he was 10. At that time they were already 40 years old. So nearly as old as the violin. And to my Scots ears these old pipes (peob mor) sound absolutely sublime. Ah. Mo cridhe!.

Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 5:46 pm
Rosie
Rosie
September 20, 2024 5:50 pm
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 20, 2024 9:05 pm
Reply to  Rosie

I larfed.
Loudly.

Indolent
Indolent
September 20, 2024 5:53 pm
Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 6:05 pm

His attitude to Trump and Turnbull means that I no longer have any time for him. Apparently Turnbull’s disgusting public tantrums are quite ok.

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:48 pm
Reply to  Miltonf

He has learned well from The Lying Slapper… keep quiet and automagically become a Statesperson.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 6:17 pm

It sometimes seems to me that Turnbull was Howard’s poisonous egg and eff you to Australia.

Last edited 3 months ago by Miltonf
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 20, 2024 6:41 pm
Reply to  Miltonf

Howard certainly kept Waffleworth in the mix long after he should have been shown the door. The entire party room bears collective responsibility for his becoming PM. It comes as little surprise Abbott achieved so little in office.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 20, 2024 6:24 pm

Another classic from Danger Dan Reviews:

D*ckhead Of The Week!

—-

Almost the greatest video ever made!

calli
calli
September 20, 2024 6:34 pm

My view is that Howard was charmed. Turnbull, debonair, deceptive, connected, wealthy, reputation stacked up on paper. A great “win”, bringing him in from Labor.

And there was the crikit connection.

Howard was not a good judge of character here. I’ve made similar mistakes, but then I’m not PM.

As others have noted before me, Trump is a type of Turing test. They hate him, but they can never tell you why. To face reality, they’d have to admit they’re in thrall to what the media endlessly pumps out rather than rational individuals. And that they will never do.

Jock
Jock
September 20, 2024 6:51 pm
Reply to  calli

Have you met turnbull? There is no charm. I met him when he pitched for a bond deal when he was head of goldies. All the charisma of a dead slug.

calli
calli
September 20, 2024 7:00 pm
Reply to  Jock

Perhaps, Jock, he didn’t want to charm you. 😀

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:47 pm
Reply to  calli

Slimy with the chauffeur’s wife and Their ABC, I bet.

bons
bons
September 20, 2024 6:35 pm

Spot the difference between ADF and IDF leadership.

The Chief of IDF only wears fatigues and always carries a weapon. He devotes enormous effort to face to face contact with the troops, in the field.

The CDF always wears sam browne and service dress and relies on releasing scolding videos as his means of communicating with the detested troops. If he leaves Canberra it is to travel OS, not to ADF bases or AOs.

Leadership versus self serving conceit.

Jock
Jock
September 20, 2024 6:56 pm
Reply to  bons

The head of the adf got the position because he was good at…………..? Logistics, crawling or what? Was he good on the battlefield?Just wondering.

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:45 pm
Reply to  Jock

Selling out his men to the prosecutors and Fawk Orners?

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 20, 2024 6:41 pm

As others have noted before me, Trump is a type of Turing test. They hate him, but they can never tell you why. 
?
calli, I’ve noticed that too from normally sensible people.

Pogria
Pogria
September 20, 2024 6:48 pm

Bloody hell, the spam calls are coming thick and fast this evening.
One of the scammers must have been a newbie. They hung on long enough to go to voice mail. A chinese voice saying “huwo? Lol.
It was spoofed through a heavy machinery business number in Pannawonica, WA.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 20, 2024 6:49 pm

It sometimes seems to me that Turnbull was Howard’s poisonous egg and eff you to Australia.

A practical demonstration of the failure of Howard’s version of ‘Broad Church’. Bring in someone who would otherwise be a Centre/Centre Left member of the Labor Party (minus the Union affiliation).

Result: absolute political chaos.

  • Policy brain farts, tracking very close in form and substance to the (then Labor) opposition, because ‘managerial science’ polling;
  • Infighting and Parliamentary and Party division;
  • Voter indecision – what do they stand for? What does Jobsongrothe actually mean?
  • Split conservative vote neutered by the Preferential System;
  • Greens tumescent;
  • Labor driven by the Greens.

[Slow handclap] How’d that all work out?
Farking Dickhead.

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:34 pm
Reply to  Dr Faustus

More helicopters.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 6:53 pm

The ‘broad church’ rubbish has been around for decades with wishy washy ‘small l’ liberals like McPhee and Fraser.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 20, 2024 7:32 pm
Reply to  Miltonf

The Lieborals were easier to accept when the Wets were routinely ignored. The Hawke-Keating era broadly corresponded with the wider Thatcher Reagan period and arguably the Liars may have faced less obstacles introducing many of the reforms. Keating initially proposed a consumption tax (Option C) only to have Bomber Beazley oppose Howard’s GST, so you can’t discount pure political opportunism.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 6:55 pm

Ruddock is another example.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 20, 2024 7:03 pm

The Australian National University’s Vice-Chancellor Professor Genevieve Bell has also fronted the inquiry, and refused to comment on a student who expressed their “unconditional support” for Hamas.

Student Beatrice Tucker was expelled over the comments made about the militant group on ABC Radio earlier this year.

Um what? She got expelled for that? Mmm that doesn’t sit well with me. Likewise, I wouldn’t support the expulsion of someone who expressed their unconditional support for kiddy fiddlers/fiddling, or, say, the complete elimination of humanity (although I would certainly support such people not being allowed near children and/or laboratories of any kind). Isn’t it good to know what people like this want to let out into the world?

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:33 pm
Reply to  Oh come on

Peter Singer, get in here!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 7:10 pm

Student Beatrice Tucker was expelled over the comments made about the militant group on ABC Radio earlier this year.

Expelled one day, up for student president the next (Paywallian)

ANU student Beatrice Tucker, who said earlier this year that Hamas ‘deserved unconditional support’, is now running to be student association president after the university overturned an expulsion.

Deport it to Gaza. And the rest of the student association too.

calli
calli
September 20, 2024 7:16 pm

Paging Beatrice!

Chris
Chris
September 20, 2024 7:32 pm
Reply to  calli

Naughty!
Try the handheld!
Then the Lelo.

Roger
Roger
September 20, 2024 7:39 pm
Reply to  calli

She ain’t no Beatrix, for sure.

Roger
Roger
September 20, 2024 7:18 pm

Ive made this point to lefties before, and the shannott believe it.

Howard was able to massively ramp up migration on the back of “being in control”.

I mentioned this earlier today but worth repeating:

Dutton’s proposed cuts to Albanese’s immigration figures would still leave us at Howard’s ponzi levels: 160 000 per year.

The Uniparty gives concerned Australians only Hobson’s choice.

Last edited 3 months ago by Roger
bons
bons
September 20, 2024 7:31 pm

Super tweet.

Hezbollah is no longer a multi generational organisation.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 7:36 pm
Reply to  bons

Bit short on meat and two veg?

JC
JC
September 20, 2024 7:47 pm

How does the song go. “I shot the sheriff” , but the sheriff shot the judge,

A sheriff in Kentucky is accused of fatally shooting a district judge at a courthouse Thursday afternoon, authorities said.

Judge Kevin Mullins was in his district office when he was shot shortly before 3 p.m., and Letcher County Sheriff Mickey Stines has been detained in the slaying, Kentucky State Police said Thursday night.

Pogria
Pogria
September 20, 2024 7:53 pm
Reply to  JC

I shot the Sheriff, but I did not Shoot the Deputy. 😀

Pogria
Pogria
September 20, 2024 7:59 pm
Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 8:03 pm

Has Elgar been denounced as a racist yet I wonder?

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 20, 2024 8:18 pm

Spot the difference between ADF and IDF leadership.

Had a pair of Israeli lads working with me a few years ago, fresh from having just done Three years in the army.

They claimed the army had taught them a few things & was generally a pretty handy thing.

Wickedly I said to them that the army does teach young men some barrack room tricks, & their new skills in ironing clothes to crisp perfection, making perfectly neat beds, & polishing metal to mirror-shiny, would be quite useful in a pub.

Response: Puzzled blank stare.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 20, 2024 8:27 pm

Spit polishing shoes probably isn’t a thing in the IDF.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 20, 2024 9:07 pm

Yep, pure military preparedness, much of it in the field.

The look on their faces was similar to that of 3rd worlders I sponsor, when confronted with Australian laws;
a) that prevent them from working hard,
b) prohibit the rumour of homosexuality from being automatic dismissal from a job,
c) a cop screaming at them for smoking in the wrong spot, however smoking 1 metre further along on the same footpath is fine

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 20, 2024 9:30 pm

Very, very good.
Israel is telling the world that they must choose between peace or Islam.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 20, 2024 8:29 pm
Last edited 3 months ago by Miltonf
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 20, 2024 9:12 pm

Sal, thanks for trying to track down that book earlier.
I tipped out the recycling bin myself this arvo…. to no avail. Wifey has been turning over flower beds and lining newspaper under the mulch layer- poor naive thing.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 20, 2024 9:30 pm
Reply to  Wally Dalí

The book I found wasn’t suitable? Phooey!

Megan
Megan
September 21, 2024 12:35 am
Reply to  Wally Dalí

Was it Accidental Astronomy by Chris Littot?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 20, 2024 9:33 pm

Welcomes to country are a mark of mutual respectJust like toasts at birthday parties or speeches at weddings, welcomes to country are sometimes over-cooked or strike the wrong chord. But conducted properly at the right events, this practice enriches all of us and furthers reconciliation.

I can’t access this article from the Oz, would anyone be good enough?

Bill from the Bush
Bill from the Bush
September 20, 2024 9:50 pm

 Welcomes to country and recognitions of traditional owners have rapidly become ubiquitous, if not universally embraced. They continue to spark unnecessary controversy and acrimony.
In my view they have become a welcome and useful addition to our national culture. However, there is no reason they should be treated as some sacred rite, beyond criticism or even a laugh.
Early on, I was sceptical and remember two decades ago, when working for then foreign minister Alexander Downer, we were at a function at the Adelaide Convention Centre, built over the city’s main railway station, and Downer was on stage waiting to speak when then Democrats senator Natasha Stott-Despoja began her remarks by recognising the “traditional owners”. It was quite a novel and woke gesture at the time, and I texted Downer asking why we needed to recognise the South Australian railways?
Boom Tish! The private quip was just to see the amusement on Downer’s face, and I wasn’t dis­appointed.
In recent weeks there has been more anger and outrage rather than laughter over welcomes to country, and much of it is entirely unreasonable. It is clear some Australians resent them; we often hear people completely misconstrue the sentiment by declaring they do not want to be “welcomed to their own country”.
A welcome to country speech is made ahead of the International Test Match between the Wallabies and Georgia at Allianz Stadium in Sydney in July. Picture: Getty
Much of this antagonism has been fuelled by the divisive hangover from the unsuccessful voice referendum. During that debate, Marcia Langton said that if the no vote prevailed it might be difficult for Indigenous elders to accept invitations to provide welcomes to country.
This understandably emotional reflection has been twisted into a promise to abandon the ceremonies if the referendum failed and thrown back at Professor Langton and Indigenous Australians ever since, with demands for the promise to be honoured. As a voice advocate, I was at pains to point out there were rational and reasonable reasons to oppose the referendum, but it was clear then and is perhaps even more obvious now that a sizeable minority voted no because they did not want to hear from their Indigenous compatriots again.
“Controversial Welcome to Country at AFL semi-final sparks bitter backlash,” screamed the Daily Mail this week after Brendan Kerin performed the ceremony at the GWS Giants versus Brisbane Lions match at Homebush. The story quoted social media posts saying: “What a disgrace, referring to BC as Before Cook and then lecturing everyone” and “Woke Joke. Australia has fallen.”
Others pointed out, in a chippy display, that there would be no AFL if Captain Cook had not voyaged to Australia. Our nation’s history is not a zero sum equation.
The attacks were expanded and amplified on talkback radio and by some of my colleagues on Sky News. In my view, Kerin’s speech was brilliantly welcoming and informative, and genuinely aimed at explaining why these ceremonies are not about welcoming people to Australia.
Kerin said the ceremony had existed for 250,000 years BC, which he explained as “Before Cook” drawing laughs from the crowd. Sure, the figure he used was ridiculous (homo sapiens are only known to have existed for 200,000 years) but let us call that poetic license – his point was that welcome to country ceremonies existed in ancient Indigenous cultures as a way for members of one tribe or language group to gain permission to traverse or visit the country of another group.
“Within Australia we have many Aboriginal lands, and we refer to our lands as ‘country’,” Kerin said. “So it’s always a welcome to the lands you’ve gathered on – a welcome to country is not a ceremony we’ve invented to cater for white people.”
That was a terrific and generous explainer. Country does not mean a sovereign nation but the lands of that people – just as Indigenous people routinely talk about going back to their traditional family regions as being “on country”.
Dancers perform during the welcome to country before the friendly between AC Milan and AS Roma in Perth in May. Picture: Getty
Major sporting events are occasions when these ceremonies are most appropriate; the crowd was about to enjoy a terrific game of a sport Indigenous Australians love, claim some role in creating, and excel at. And Kerin was there to welcome people, not to their nation, but to that particular region, letting them know about the ­cultural history of that place, and inviting them to have a wonderful night. It astounds me that anyone could find this anything but up­lifting, adding to the richness of the experience.
Sometimes welcomes to country are overdone and inappropriate. I have been to events where they open proceedings with a local Indigenous representative doing an official welcome to country, but then every speaker feels the need to share their own version of recognition, as if they have to tick it off for fear of being seen to boycott the gesture.
Even online meetings can ­labour under the same endless ­virtue-signalling. This sort of stuff is over the top and unnecessary, and in the end it must be counterproductive because it generates eye-rolling or open resistance.
There are also instances where welcomes to country can be too political and aggressive. Telling us that sovereignty was never ceded, or demanding that we defer to a particular culture, is not welcoming. Especially at sporting, artistic or entertainment events, any sort of political lecturing is an unwelcome imposition – it is not the reason people have turned up.
Ancient tribal practices about visiting other tribal lands were very different and varied across the continent, so it is true that the modern welcome to country model has only been around for about 40 years. This does not delegitimise it; rather it correctly identifies it as a modern cultural evolution to help bring Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians together.
In these pages last month, Melbourne barristers Lana Collaris and Georgina Schoff aired a spirited legal debate about whether a welcome to country is appropriate for law council meetings. My view is that it is hardly necessary in such a context.
More to the point, if people try to invest some legal weight to the custom – with references to “nationhood” and “sovereignty” – they will kill it off. I too object to the “first nations” terminology which has been imported from the US and is heavily politicised.
Welcomes to country work best and will survive best if we keep ­politics and legality right out of it. At heart, it is simply about people sharing their histories and offering a hand of friendship.
Just like toasts at birthday parties or speeches at weddings, these things are sometimes over-cooked or strike the wrong chord. Other times they just seem completely inappropriate and out of place – last year I heard a recorded welcome to country on a bus from Melbourne’s Spencer Street station to Tullamarine.
But conducted properly at the right events, this practice enriches all of us and furthers reconciliation. As I travel around Australia I find it fascinating to know which Aboriginal group covers which territory, and it is terrific that children learn this at school.
That does not mean that we need to change the names of our cities or places, and it does not mean that schools should send kids on a guilt trip. However, it does mean we can have a richer sense of our history, one that stretches at least 40,000 years BC.
When I have travelled in Ireland, for instance, I have wanted to know which county I am in and learn a little about its unique history, likewise the states of the US. And in America I have wanted to know a little about the indigenous groups, the Sioux or Lakota, Cherokee, Cheyenne and Navajo, their similarities, differences, battles, and their impact on contemporary events.
Why would we not want to know about all this in our own cities and states, in our own country? Sure, there are Indigenous activists who run extreme agendas, just as there are racist extremists who have abhorrent attitudes towards Indigenous people, but surely the overwhelming majority of us want to know each other, help each other, and respect each other.
It is that simple. Welcomes to country are a mark of mutual ­respect, and a touchstone for deeper understanding. I am hopeful and confident they will be part of our national culture for centuries to come.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 20, 2024 10:02 pm

My compliments, and thank you, Bill from the Bush

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 20, 2024 9:58 pm

I’d like to see the Sydney blokes do to Ken Hinkley what he did to Hawthorn last week.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 20, 2024 10:00 pm

It’s always good to go back have a listen from time to time.

He was a humble bloke.

Crucify Your Mind – A Beautiful Song by Sixto Rodriguez 1970 – Film Clip “Monika”

Indolent
Indolent
September 20, 2024 10:04 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 20, 2024 10:08 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 20, 2024 10:33 pm

@robinmonotti

Lord Alli funded at least seven Cabinet ministers:

‘Labour peer has given more than £300,000 to members of Sir Keir Starmer’s front bench during span of almost two decades’

“The Labour peer has handed out £314,147 to members of Sir Keir Starmer’s front bench as part of a string of donations spanning almost two decades.

The donations suggest Lord Alli backed candidates running against Jeremy Corbyn, … before ramping up donations under Sir Keir’s premiership.

The Prime Minister and Angela Rayner, his deputy, top the list, taking £155,122 and £72,450 respectively from the peer in benefits and cash donations, records show.

Other beneficiaries include Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, who has been handed £14,600 by the media entrepreneur since 2021, as well as Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, who was given £10,000 last year.”

Ellie
Ellie
September 21, 2024 11:10 pm

Matrix, you mourn the same way I do.

Ellie
Ellie
September 22, 2024 11:44 am

Words disappearing.
Am cooking up an Italian storm, JC. My 20 year old cat was put to sleep recently. He is missed. My 19 year old is spritely and waking me at 4am.
Thankfully I don’t live in Springfield

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