Open Thread – Mon 30 Sept 2024


Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Viktor Vasnetsov, 1887

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KevinM
KevinM
September 30, 2024 12:05 am

How embarrassment, being foist again.
Unable to sleep does that.

KevinM
KevinM
September 30, 2024 12:07 am

Indolent

 September 29, 2024 10:32 pm

   John Kerry moaning about loss of control over the narrative.

This dis and misinformation caper is an idea straight out of the book, 1984.

A very dangerous idea.

Who is going to decide what is or is not misinformation?

Will it change with every change of government or will it be concreted into the constitution for ever?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 30, 2024 12:17 am

Who is going to decide what is or is not misinformation?

ACMA.
Apparently.

Top men.

So, be of good cheer.

John H.
John H.
September 30, 2024 12:28 am

Steve Trickler,

Thanks for the link to Mazzy Star. Good music.

Helen
Helen
September 30, 2024 12:28 am

Damn

KevinM
KevinM
September 30, 2024 12:44 am

At least we are going to live longer, or it will seem like it, by 0.06 microseconds/day

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Bruce in WA
September 30, 2024 1:44 am

Sitting in our cabin on QV waiting for the washing. ? Currently in Mallorca. No tourist protests here today. Went to a tapas and flamenco show today. Highly recommended. The women superbly erotic without being at all tawdry or crass. Beautiful. Nice drive around the city and environs, but … WTF is it with gum trees? They are everybloodywhere!! Just taking over like in California.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 30, 2024 3:21 am

In So, So Sad news:

The body of Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has been recovered from the site of an Israeli air attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs, a day after his death was confirmed.

His body is intact, sources told Reuters on Sunday, and it appeared the cause of death was blunt trauma from the force of the blast. 

“More than 20 other terrorists of varying ranks, who were present at the underground headquarters in Beirut located beneath civilian buildings, and were managing Hezbollah’s terrorist operations against the state of Israel, were also eliminated,”

Senator Wong was unavailable for comment.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 30, 2024 3:36 am

John H.
 September 30, 2024 12:28 am

Steve Trickler,
Thanks for the link to Mazzy Star. Good music.

Hello. You’re welcome. I go on a walk everday and the music just pops in my head. Like this banger.

Yello – The Race (Live In Berlin / 2016)

John H.
John H.
September 30, 2024 3:40 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:02 am

Peter Broelman. Brilliant.

Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:06 am
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 30, 2024 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 4:08 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 30, 2024 5:01 am

The body of Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has been recovered from the site of an Israeli air attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs, a day after his death was confirmed.

I normally don’t pop a bottle of Bollinger at 5:00 a.m. …

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 30, 2024 5:21 am

This Nasrallah person who the filth idolize, does anyone really care that the sea hunt has left the planet?

Well, apart from the relatives of who the turd murdered

Mr Wong will be sorry, of course, the grey haired old lesbian.

Even her fingers don’t want to touch it where it smells.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 30, 2024 5:32 am

I’ve just had a horrible thought.

Birds Eyes Fish Fingers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 30, 2024 5:37 am

The greatest indignity visited upon a human being ever …
Apparently the losing AFL coach (Longmire of the Sydney Mancravers) had to endure the opposition belting out their theme song in the next room in the middle of his post-match press conference.
For those used to large concrete stadia, it may come as a surprise that this scene plays out thousands of times every weekend in small sporting grounds across this wide brown land.
The victors, only separated from the vanquished by two sheets of Gyprock, raucously singing their victory song with improvised verses about what they did to the girly-men next door.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 30, 2024 5:48 am

This is going to get nasty:
Leaked Conversation Between Arizona’s Democrat Gov, Attorney General, and Secretary of State Reveals Attempt to Cover Up 98,000 Voter Registration Glitch – Officials Worried About Calls for New 2020 and 2022 Elections

?So how are they going to deal with it? Have new elections and cancel every law passed by the legislature for the last 4 years? Because this margin of error is well above the number required to recall the entire vote.
And it gives grounds for Kari Lakes accusations of crooked counting.

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GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 30, 2024 5:49 am

This is just one reason the Sydney Mancravers are losers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 30, 2024 6:08 am

GreyRanga
 September 30, 2024 5:49 am

This is just one reason the Sydney Mancravers are losers.

For a group which claims to have a strictly enforced “No Dickheads Policy” their playing list has a lot of chaps who could be easily characterised as … well … dickheads.

Beertruk
September 30, 2024 6:20 am

Bolta / Blot in today’s Monday Tele:

WIN A WAR BY JUST NOT LISTENING TO WONG’S CALLS

ANDREWBOLT
30 Sep 2024

Had Israel been stupid enough last week to listen to Penny Wong, the Hezbollah terrorist army would not today be in ruins, its leader dead.

Please Penny, shut up. Stop embarrassing Australia.

Even last Wednesday our monumentally inept foreign minister was still demanding Israel stop shooting back at Hezbollah, which had fired more than 8000 rockets and missiles into Israel from Lebanon in the past year.

Wong seemed strangely upset that Israel had just blown up more than 2000 Hezbollah operatives with their booby-trapped pagers.

Israel must end this. Civilians were being killed.

“This destructive cycle must stop,” Wong insisted. “All parties must show restraint and de-escalate.”

Thank God Israel’s leaders just ignore Wong’s advice as it fights for its life against Iranian-backed terrorists attacking it from Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Iran itself.

Two days later it flattened the Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut with bunker-busting bombs, killing its leader Hassan Nasrallah and his closest aides, and shattering what had been the world’s biggest Islamist terrorist organisation.

Yet on Sunday Wong was even more upset than ever, protesting “the continued violence” would not help Israel: “Ultimately that will not bring peace and it will not bring security.”

In fact Wong has demanded Israel stop fighting back ever since October 7, when the Hamas terrorists who ran Gaza started this war by slaughtering 1200 Jews and taking 251 hostages.

Just two days later Wong told Israel to cool it: “I think it is always the right thing for Australia to urge restraint.“

But consider the disaster had Israel treated Wong seriously.

Had Israel listened to Wong it would not have broken Hamas by killing or capturing more than half its 40,000 terrorists, including its foreign head Ismail Haniyeh and its military chief Mohammed Deif.

Had Israel listened to Wong it would not have destroyed 90 per cent of Hamas’s rockets.

Had Israel listened to Wong it would not now have dismantled Hezbollah in Lebanon, killing its leader and military chief, as well as the head of its aerial force and all the top leaders of its special forces.

Had Israel done what Wong had demanded its enemies would be strong – not shattered. Yes, Israel would not have killed civilians in Gaza and Lebanon, but there’s now less chance of its own people being massacred again and its country destroyed.

That’s because Israel understands war and Israel’s enemies, and Wong doesn’t.

As Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda terrorist chief behind the 9/11 attacks famously explained: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse.”

That was before he proved it by getting assassinated by the US, turning al Qaeda into a footnote.

Israel understands it’s safer when it’s feared than when it’s pitied, and its ferocious defence has made joining Hezbollah and Hamas seem a game for losers.

What’s more, Israel once again seems too dangerous to attack, as Egypt, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates worked out years ago, choosing peace instead.

But Wong’s ignorance is embarrassing and lethally dangerous.

She now demands Israel negotiate peace with enemies who just want Israel dead, last week demanding the United Nations force Israel to agree right now to a “two-state solution” – a Palestinian country alongside Israel.

“The world cannot wait,” Wong stormed. “We cannot allow any party to obstruct the prospect of peace.”

Is Wong really that stupid?

Israel has already offered Palestinians their own state – several times – and was each time turned down for a simple reason: their enemies want just one state. All Palestine, no Israel.

Has Wong not heard them?

Nasrallah called Israel “an aggressive, illegal and illegitimate entity, which has no future in our land”. Iran’s Supreme Leader said he wanted Israel’s “disappearance”, and Hamas warned Muslims Judgement Day would not come “until Muslims fight Jews and kill them”.

If Wong’s two-state deal was forced on Israel and the Palestinians today, how would that help Israel or stop some future slaughter?

A Palestinian state would be run by Hamas, despite what Wong says, or Hamas allies. There are no moderates strong enough to run it without a foreign army to protect them.

At best, peace talks just buy Israel’s enemies time to re-arm to strike again.

No, Wong is just making a gesture to seem good and please Muslim voters, even if it aids Islamist terrorists.

Too harsh? Then look how much stronger Islamist terrorists would be today had Israel done what Wong has demanded already.

Is Wong really that stupid?

In a word: Yes

The Wong Chap, an imbecilic twat with all the awareness of an amoeba.

Here is a clue bat for you, Wong Chap:

Israel has already offered Palestinians their own state – several times – and was each time turned down for a simple reason: their enemies want just one state. All Palestine, no Israel.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 30, 2024 6:25 am

CNN’s Scott Jennings Destroys Tim Walz, Calls Him a ‘Buffoon’ on a ‘Free Ride for Running Under Harris’ CoattailsA Disorganised Train Wreck is a handy but understated descriptor of the Democrat Presidential Race.
But is it?
The Democrats are usually much more adept at political wrangling so I can only assume this is deliberate. Giving the appearance of a campaign in disarray gives the Hildebeast a chance to sneak in as a ‘reliable steady hand on the tiller.’
Yes. I still believe that she will be – through a combination of deceit, cheating, domestic turmoil and violence through Antifa and BLM – declared the winner of the next election. As to whether she will get sworn in as President, well that’s another story.
The bookies will pay out on the day, I reckon.
Worth a sleepy addition to the pool….

Beertruk
September 30, 2024 6:33 am

Bolta / Blot continued:

LET THE PEOPLE BE HEARD – AND THE LEFTISTS BE ALARMED

Andrew Bolt
30 Sep 2024

Our leftist elite just got three more sharp reminders that democracy is not their friend.

Conservatives should call more often for a vote.

Take Adelaide’s Unley Council, which last year decided Australia Day was too divisive to hold citizenship ceremonies. But then it decided to ask what its ratepayers actually thought.

Big surprise: most who responded thought the ban was dumb, so the council last week changed its mind.

Mayor Michael Hewitson blamed the initial ban on some councillors living in a “echo chamber” made worse by social media.

Our ruling class had similar shock therapy last year.

Many seemed to think “everyone” was behind Labor’s Voice, a kind of Aboriginal-only advisory parliament, and why wouldn’t they?

PLUs – people like us – were all for it.

Universities declared their support, as did leaders of all the big faith groups and sports codes, and almost every celebrity with an opinion.

Without a vote, the Voice would be here already.

But, alas for the left, changing our constitution is still one thing that requires a vote, and 60 per cent of Australians said no.

Current US vice president and the potential next leader of the free world Kamala Harris has just got a similar shock.

The leaders of the Teamsters, America’s biggest and most influential private-sector union, have backed every Democratic presidential candidate since Bill Clinton.

But this time they asked their 1.3 million members what they should do.

And guess what happened? A solid 59.6 per cent of union members who voted electronically backed ex-president Donald Trump.

Just 34 per cent wanted Harris, the Democrat.

It’s not hard to think of other bubbles that might be popped if the public were only given a pin. If only they were given a vote.

With so many debates now shouted down in our cancel culture, and so many people living in their social media echo chambers, here are just some of the questions I’d love Australians to vote on.

Should we scrap welcome to country ceremonies?

Should we fly just one flag – the Australian – and not three, including the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander ones?

Should the law define women as biological females?

Should protest marchers stick to the footpath and not block the street?

Should shareholders be asked first before companies used their money to back political causes such as the Voice?

Should wind towers be banned unless most locals agree to their landscape being scarred?

Conservative MPs complain they speak for a “silent majority” that is often too cowed to speak up.

How about stop complaining and just demand more votes instead?

I don’t mean just a vote in an election. The elected Albanese government lost the vote for the Voice, yet will probably still be re-elected.

Give people more votes. I bet the elite would hate it.

Bazinga
Bazinga
September 30, 2024 6:35 am

Now I wonder how long before there are crowds of non terrorists celebrating in the streets, and how long for the fascists to get them to move on

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 30, 2024 6:36 am

Wallet Wizard reckons he’s delivering another surplus and of course the MSM is plugging it without question. Pull the other one, how much spending is off the books?

calli
calli
September 30, 2024 6:39 am

Wong isn’t stupid. Like so many of them, she’s an opportunistic, rapidly aging woman looking for her niche post politics. Her airbrushed, AI style Wiki photo tells part of the story.

The UN Kool Kids Klub will have taken note. They like elected people who are prepared to sell out their countries for “the greater good”.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 30, 2024 6:40 am

From the Gateway Pundit:
Court Rules Against Arizona Grandmother Who Was Arrested for Feeding Homeless
Welcome to the Dictatorship of the Bureaucracy.
“Computer Says ‘No.’ ”
My predictions of just this sort of moral degeneracy don’t seem so far fetched now, do they?
This wretched law has been used against this woman since March 2022. I haven’t been able to find out the Judges political inclinations, but with so many bad players in the system now, does it really matter?

Bungonia bee
Bungonia bee
September 30, 2024 6:45 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 30, 2024 6:55 am

Houthi’s turn.

Fiery mushroom clouds erupt as Israel launches all-out assault on Yemen’s Houthis (29 Sep)

The targets of the strikes were oil reserves in Ras Issa and also the port of Hodeidah, according to Israeli army sources.

Additionally, power plants were also struck in the devastating attacks carried out by Israel’s air force. …

Dozens of Israeli aircraft, including F-15I fighter planes, participated in the operation, striking 1,800 kilometres from Israeli territory.

The strikes appear to be in retaliation for attacks on Israel carried out by the Houthis last week.

Three missiles were fired at Tel Aviv and central areas of the country, following Israel’s bombardment of Lebanon, which killed Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah.

They bragged that they had fired a ballistic missile at Ben Gurion airport whilst Netanyahu was coming into land. Well guys you just found out that Israel reacts slightly more decisively than the fossil in the White House.

KevinM
KevinM
September 30, 2024 6:57 am

This was one of the reasons the then USSR intervened in Afghanistan, ideological, political reasons aside.

“The Soviet Union intervened in support of the Afghan communist government in its conflict with anti-communist Muslim guerrillas during the Afghan War (1978–92) and remained in Afghanistan until mid-February 1989.”

Many here forget the advances Afghan women achieved in the 70s.

All gone now

The war was never to be won, history proved that many times over.

Civilized armies do not operate at the level needed to defeat a Muslim guerrilla force.

Israel is finding it hard as well with the west at her heels yapping.

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The 1970s in Afghanistan were a time of significant social change, especially for women. During this decade, many Afghan women experienced greater freedoms and opportunities compared to previous eras.

They pursued education, entered the workforce, and participated in public life, often dressing in Western-style clothing and engaging in cultural activities.

Women attended universities, worked as teachers, doctors, and professionals, and were active in political movements advocating for rights and equality.

This period saw the rise of a vibrant cultural scene, where women’s voices began to flourish in literature and the arts.
However, this progress faced challenges as political unrest grew, leading to eventual turmoil in the late 1970s.

The freedoms women enjoyed were soon threatened by subsequent conflicts and changes in government. The 1970s remain a poignant reminder of both the potential for progress and the fragility of rights in times of upheaval.

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Vicki
Vicki
September 30, 2024 7:04 am

Last opportunity today to submit objections to the latest incarnation of ACMA bill which will destroy the concept of free speech in this country.

Bungonia bee
Bungonia bee
September 30, 2024 7:04 am

Clickbait central’s typical headlines today:
”Wife reveals husband’s sick bestiality request” and
”City where sex workers roam naked”.
News.com.au

Cassie of Sydney
September 30, 2024 7:06 am

Evelyn Rae, who sometimes appears on Sky opinion, is a vacuous, mumbling incoherent moron. I switched her off last night. She now belongs in the garbage bin along with conspiracy loon Liz Storer. Rae’s clearly anti-Israel, something I’ve long felt, and last night her hostility and animus towards Israel boiled over. She mumbled incoherently about ‘Christians’ and ‘Christianity’ in regards to what Israel has done in Southern Lebanon.

Never mind the fact that most Lebanese Christians are celebrating Nasrallah’s demise, never mind the fact that Christians and Christianity has been declining in Lebanon thanks to…..not dastardly Jews….but because of supremacist Islam.

Perhaps someone should remind Valkyrie Rae that the one country in the middle east where Christianity is growing is…………Israel.

I see that overnight Israel has bombed the Houthis’ port in Yemen, a act a strong USA should have done months ago. The West, under its supine and paltry leaders such as the Sniffer, Der Sturmer and the grub from Grayndler, is fast falling into an abyss of dangerous mediocrity and irrelevance. The Jews are having to do the job that others won’t.

Back to the Valkyrie Evelyn Rae, I’ll turn her off every time she appears on my screen. No thank you.

Rosie
Rosie
September 30, 2024 7:12 am
Crossie
Crossie
September 30, 2024 7:12 am

A lot of commenters call the current political state of play as fascism when it’s more like oligarchy. The rich and powerful are now deciding, at least in the US, UK and Europe, who gets to form government or even who gets to run for elections.

These same people have in their control entire economies and particularly retirement funds of most residents of the west. They could destroy all of our livelihoods and still remain rich and powerful which seems likely if they don’t get their way in November.

How is this different from how China, Russia, North Korea, Iran and most of the Islamic world are run? A few rich and powerful are oppressing the multitudes everywhere.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 30, 2024 7:21 am

I find this oddly humorous as it displays the childlike ability to lie at the level of 6 year old children, in adults from the Middle East and the Subcontinent. But to complete the duality of the bullshit – it takes an adult to display the duplicity of the argument:

The Palestinians’ pattern of lying in opposite directions is illustrated by the invocation of the most ubiquitous term used to describe Israel’s relationship to its historic homeland: “occupation.” The mere mention of the Gaza Strip will almost immediately prompt a reference to Israel’s “occupation,” despite the incontrovertible fact that Israel relinquished control of the Strip’s Palestinian population in Gaza and withdrew from it, down to the last Jewish man, woman and child, in 2005.

From Jihad Watch.
I’d add that Israel reinterred even their dead from the cemeteries – why leave the honoured dead in the lands of their enemies so their remains can be desecrated?

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lotocoti
lotocoti
September 30, 2024 7:30 am

Civil disobedience.
Apparently bird flu is such a dire threat it’ll be illegal to own an unregistered chook in the UK from the first of October, and the Proles have been having a bit of fun.

Zippster
Zippster
September 30, 2024 7:33 am

The Fall of England – Dr David Starkey

Triggernometry

**Summary:** In the video titled “The Fall of England,” Dr. David Starkey, an eminent historian, discusses the decline of English identity, governance, and social cohesion. He critiques the evolution of British national identity, stressing that England’s history has been overshadowed by attempts to forge a uniform British identity, particularly during the Blair administration. Starkey examines the implications of devolution, immigration, and the impact of wokeness on traditional English values and institutions. He posits that the current societal challenges are rooted in a malfunctioning government structure, a loss of community identity, and the lack of responsibility in modern welfare systems. He calls for a return to a bicultural understanding of identity that acknowledges individual national identities alongside a shared British identity. **Key Points by Section:** 1. **Introduction to the Fall of England:** – Starkey reflects on the expansive structure of the modern government and its dysfunctionality. – He raises the question of England’s current state and national identity. 2. **England vs. Britain:** – Highlights the historical separation between England, Scotland, and other nations within the UK. – Argues that British identity lacks coherent values, emphasizing the importance of regional identities. 3. **Union and National Identity:** – Discusses the 1707 Union and its implications for Scotland and England. – Emphasizes the maintenance of distinct national identities despite political union. – Critiques misconceptions in historical interpretations of British history. 4. **Cultural Nationalism:** – Analyzes the cultural nationalism in Scotland, Wales, and Ireland compared to England. – Discusses the role of heritage in forming national identity (e.g., poetry, dress). – Critiques the educational focus on outdated languages like Welsh. 5. **Impact of Devolution and Immigration:** – Addresses the consequences of devolution and how it marginalized England politically. – Analyzes the impact of large-scale immigration on a shared national identity. – Critiques the superficial notion of British identity as mere tolerance. 6. **Historical Context of British Identity:** – Discusses the significance of the monarchy in British identity. – Critiques the decline of the monarchy’s role as a symbol of national identity. 7. **Challenges to Community and Identity:** – Reflects on the degradation of community structures and the impact of modern welfare states. – Emphasizes the necessity for a cultural identity that fosters personal responsibility. 8. **Economics and Governance:** – Discusses the economic crises, state overspending, and comparison to historical examples such as Argentina. – Critiques the failure of government regulation and the multiplicity of administrative bodies. 9. **Call for Educational and Cultural Renewal:** – Advocates for a historical education system that recognizes English history and values. – Proposes creating a sense of community and pride through education and cultural landmarks. 10. **Final Thoughts:** – Participates in a critical analysis of modern politics, expressing skepticism about the political establishment. – Stresses the urgency for a resurgence of core values and coherent identity in facing current challenges. 11. **Concluding Remarks:** – Starkey concludes with a recognition of the complexity of contemporary societal issues, urging a reevaluation of identity, governance, and cultural heritage. The conversation ultimately raises profound questions about the future of England and Britain, national identity, and community cohesion in the f

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 30, 2024 7:58 am

The bagpipes are out at the Victorian Police Academy on a cool-but-sunny morning, with a cockatoo or two in the distance. Could be worse, I guess.

Rosie
Rosie
September 30, 2024 8:04 am
Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 30, 2024 8:06 am

Wait a minute.
They don’t seem to be very “in love with death” when their leaders and military commanders get killed. They get quite snakey about it.

Rosie
Rosie
September 30, 2024 8:08 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 30, 2024 8:15 am

Their ABC informs me that the “far right” Freedom Party has won the Austrian general election.
Polishing the pickelhaubes as we speak.

Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 8:26 am

@elonmusk

Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it!

Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years.

The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!!

Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election.

America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over. The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries. This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty.

The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America. Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape.

Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco.

Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 8:29 am

@WallStreetApes

HOLY SH*T THIS IS HUGE

“I have a friend from Venezuela — She’s a gastroenterologist in Venezuela — She showed me today and she told me, oh, I know they cheated in the 2020 because they’ve been sending me emails to register to vote to a email account that she opened in Venezuela many, many, many years ago

— She showed me the emails, and she had a bunch of Kamala Harris registered to vote, Kamala Harris campaign. And I’m like, wait. Are you a permanent resident, or are you a are you a citizen? She’s like, no.”

“Can someone explain to me why are they sending noncitizens emails to register to vote and to vote for Kamala Harris?“ (To get Venezuela email address)

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 30, 2024 8:31 am

I saw on Fox Sport last night a bit about the mancravers. Here is someone from the club that I have no knowledge of, saying we’ve got 150 years of history……… This is the first problem they have, their supporters left them in such numbers the club South Melbourne ceased to exist. The mancravers have 41 years of history not 150 years. The number of times they were in financial trouble as the fans were only fair weather friends is too many to remember. I don’t know but do the mancravers have local feeder clubs, I imagine not. There are no grass roots support. Grass roots support is what gets you through the lean years just like love and family.

Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 8:37 am
Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 8:39 am
local oaf
September 30, 2024 8:45 am

Good to hear it again
Yalla ya Nasrallah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iLUjqbeyv8

Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 8:56 am

Dr. John Campbell talking to Major Tom Havilland about the response he received to his survey. Responses were received worldwide.

Your blood clot data

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 30, 2024 8:57 am

Alex McDermott
Don’t blame 1788: the Whitlam years undermined Aboriginal Australia
79 comments

Since the defeat of the Indigenous voice to parliament referendum, Indigenous truth and justice commissions have continued to extend their reach throughout different Australian states. They are all based on the assumption the Uluru Dialogues articulated: the problems that plague Indigenous communities can be traced back to the original trauma of dispossession.
Yet reality tells a very different story. Were 1788, and the train of colonial occupation that followed on from that, the primary cause, then you wouldn’t find such wide variation among Indigenous Australians. Indigenous Australians in urban areas and regional centres are hard to distinguish from the rest of the population in those places for levels of wealth, health, education and life outcomes.
The human crisis that produces and reproduces the Gap is much more clearly locatable. It is in the remote outstations of homeland settlements, and around some towns in isolated parts of the Australian interior. It is where there is no economic life outside the government provision of welfare and social services, and no jobs other than those government creates. These places, where basic social order and safety have largely vanished, have been described by Noel Pearson as worse than Third World countries.
Let’s face it: 1973 and 1974, not 1788, better explain this long-scale traumatic hurt and human damage. Those are the years when the new policy of self-determination, and the remote homelands ideal, properly took hold.
The idea that Indigenous peoples should themselves collectively decide the terms on which they would engage with Western life and settler society first emerged in the 1950s, thanks in no small part to the Australian Communist Party. As of 1931, communists argued that indigenous minorities in the advanced capitalist countries were oppressed colonial peoples. The glorious Soviet Socialist republics were “self-determining”, they declared – so should be indigenous minorities.
In an age of decolonisation, the idea had obvious appeal. Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau, who believed separating indigenous from other Canadians was a retrogressive step, and an inherently undemocratic one at that, issued a white paper, An End to Separatism, against it.
In Australia, Paul Hasluck, the commonwealth minister for states and territories, and thus the Indigenous people in the Northern Territory, shared Trudeau’s views. Under his stewardship in the 1950s and 1960s, government repudiated the policy of protection that dominated the first half of the 20th century.
There is a solid argument advanced by Tim Rowse, an emeritus professor at Western Sydney University, that protection helped stabilise and rebuild the Indigenous population. But it undeniably treated Aborigines as inherently different, second-class citizens, to be kept apart from the ordinary population.
Hasluck instead sought a system “under which Aborigines were recognised as Australian citizens and were regarded as having the same status and rights as other Australian citizens”. Aborigines should be equals, treated equally. It was through Hasluck that Aborigines regained much of what they’d lost or been denied under protection: civil rights, and the right to vote federally, in 1962.
But after Harold Holt’s drowning, Hasluck narrowly lost the partyroom vote to John Gorton and shortly after effectively left public life. With Hasluck gone no one else seriously pushed back against the new policy concept of self-determination.
Conflated with the shame of the recently junked White Australia policy, assimilation and even integration became bogey words, freighted with the stigma of racism. Hasluck’s policy was condemned for violating the Indigenous right to decide for themselves.
Like multiculturalism – another buzzy, yet originally nebulous word that became policy without public debate about what it meant – self-determination germinated under the Coalition, was supercharged under Gough Whitlam, and then became orthodoxy. Even to question it was to be tarred with hankering for the bad old days of assimilation. Yet self-determination produced failure on a vast, indeed cataclysmic scale.
Activist bureaucrats such as Herbert “Nugget” Coombs enthusiastically endorsed the idea that Indigenous communities in remote regions should be established largely outside modern capitalist Australia. After Whitlam’s 1972 election victory unemployment benefits were made available to all Indigenous people, even if they lived in communities where there were no jobs. It proved to be one of the most poisonous policy decisions of the 20th century.
In the 1950s and 1960s Aborigines had been employed at remote settlements and missions in government-run enterprises, which enabled them to work and live there. Piggeries, orchards, chicken runs, vegetable gardens, sawmills, bakeries and butcheries flourished. After 1972 young people knew they could get paid more money by not working – “sit-down money”, or the dole. The enterprises collapsed.
In many areas self-determination’s wave of social destruction was made worse by the equal wages decision of 1967. On pastoral stations Indigenous cattlemen worked in a largely cashless economy. They were paid for work largely in rations, clothes and basic accoutrements, while continuing to work and live with their families on traditional country. The rations were often paid to the women, giving them considerable influence.
Once equal pay came in, pastoralists switched even more quickly to new technology, and to more skilled workers to run their stock. Combined with the total loss of incentive to work from sit-down money, and the new ubiquity of the modern cash economy – including guns, grog, pornography and drugs – the traditional societies of remote Australia began to rapidly disintegrate, precipitating a dramatic rise in rates of offending and incarceration.
The fate of Vincent Lingiari’s Gurindji people illustrate this tragedy all too vividly. Writer and historian Charlie Ward describes how welfare payments, infrastructure development wages and “unprecedented amounts of funding” from the government fundamentally compromised Gurindji autonomy in the years after Whitlam had poured a handful of sand into Lingiari’s open palm in 1975. Younger generation Gurindji refused to work in the Gurindji-operated cattle operation, rejecting their elders’ traditional authority.
A society that “had masterfully sustained itself by hard work and self-motivation” fell apart, chiefly “as a result of government assistance given under policies of Aboriginal self-management”.
Indigenous policy has been our greatest failure. Ultimately, it is not just a failure of policies but of ideas. In a society where all Australians depend on each other – economically, socially, politically – the notion that any group can be “self-determining” is a fantasy. Fifty years after the Whitlam government raised that fantasy into a religion, it’s time reality was given a stronger say.

Roger
Roger
September 30, 2024 8:57 am

Waiting for the AFP to spring into action after numerous offences against the Commonwealth Criminal Code’s laws against urging terrorism and genocide were committed on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney over the weekend.

There’s no lack of audio-visual evidence for them to rely on.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 30, 2024 9:03 am

I suppose it doesn’t matter whether it was Mossad, bad weather or crappy maintenance. Bye bye.

There are unconfirmed reports in Iranian media of a helicopter crash in southwestern Iran. 

It is reported that Mohammad Abdul Salam, the head of Houthi coordination in Iran, and several others have been killed.

7:21 AM · Sep 29, 2024

Not confirmed but a lot it is going about lately. A pandemic of exothermic endings.

cohenite
September 30, 2024 9:05 am

I must say the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse look like a pack of dickheads.

In more good news Alan Moran rips the global boiling and ruinables nitwits:

Climate News – October 2024 (regulationeconomics.com)

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 30, 2024 9:20 am

Sky News Shock, Horror!
Trump launches new personal attack on Harris.
Is that all?
I mean, how many awful things have the Dems and Harris accused Trump of?
Does Sky have to be part of the fake news scene, saying that even some republicans think he’s gone to far?
Do they know what RINO stands for?

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 30, 2024 9:27 am

Appeal decision due on sentence for Cleo’s abductorAAP staff reportersAAP
Mon, 30 September 2024 1:32AM

Three appeal court judges are set to hand down their decision on the sentence imposed on the man who kidnapped four-year-old Cleo Smith from her family’s tent at a remote West Australian campsite.
Terence Darrell Kelly appealed against his 13-and-a-half years’ jail term for snatching the girl at the Blowholes campsite, about 70km north of Carnarvon in the early hours of October 16, 2021, as her parents slept.
Cleo was missing for 18 days before finally being found by police alone in a room at a property in Carnarvon on November 3.
Her kidnapping by the 37-year-old sparked one of the biggest police searches in WA history and made headlines worldwide.
Sentencing Kelly in the District Court in April 2023, Chief Judge Julie Wager described the fear, distress and trauma caused to Cleo and her parents as “immeasurable”.
“Eighteen days without contact or explanation, and with hours totally on her own and no access to the outside world, would have been very traumatic,” the judge said.
Under his sentence Kelly, who pleaded guilty to taking Cleo, will be eligible for parole after serving 11 years and six months.
In February, his lawyers argued in the WA Court of Appeal that the sentence was manifestly excessive.
They disputed Judge Wager’s finding that Kelly was significantly affected by methamphetamine when he abducted Cleo, and also argued the sentence did not place sufficient weight on his deprived, traumatic childhood and mental impairment.
The appeal judgment is due to be delivered on Monday.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 30, 2024 9:43 am

3 minutes ago
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‘Absolute outrage’: Dutton urges action on pro-Hezbollah protesters

Peter Dutton says it is “completely unacceptable” that no arrests and visa cancellations have happened since the protests in Melbourne and Sydney on Sunday where some waved Hezbollah flags or portraits of slain terrorist leader Hassan Nasrallah.
“We’ve got Jewish schools where we’ve got armed guards out the front of, there are people who are living in the Jewish community in fear and there is an absolute outrage in relation to the glorification of a terrorist leader, which surely must be against the Australian law; and if it’s not, the parliament should be recalled to pass a law that prohibits that from happening,” the Opposition Leader told 4BC radio.
“Now, of course, the laws do provide for an offence in that regard, and the law should be enforced.
“I find it completely unacceptable that the government wouldn’t be arresting people already, or cancelling visas of people who are glorifying Hezbollah and Hamas and others.
“They have no place in our country. We are the greatest country in the world and we shouldn’t be afraid to defend and protect it. If [Home Affairs Minister] Tony Burke continues to talk a big game, that’s one thing, but he needs to follow through with it.”
Mr Dutton called on Anthony Albanese to “show the leadership that our country requires”.
“I mean, they carry on with being racist and the rest of it,” he said. “I mean it’s just so absurdly ridiculous, it’s laughable.”
He accused the Prime Minister of having “allowed these protests to continue on for months at university campuses, and on weekends and flying the Hamas flag, etc.”.
“The Prime Minister, I think, sent a very clear message that it’s okay, that some anti-Semitism is okay,” Mr Dutton said. “It has no place in our society whatsoever.”

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 30, 2024 9:52 am

The QLD election, with apologies to the memory of Robert Frost:
They have promises to keep,
And Miles has to go before they sleep.

Pogria
Pogria
September 30, 2024 9:59 am

Kris Kristofferson is dead.
I liked him.

JC
JC
September 30, 2024 10:30 am

Iron ore has surged ~20% since last week, when the Chinese economic support package was announced.

I think, the Chinese action is really big news, and with monetary policy easing around the world, the reflation trade looks like it’s back on, especially with other Asian nations following suit.

The aussie dollar could now go much higher.

The US election is the big question mark though at least for the US markets.

JC
JC
September 30, 2024 10:35 am

Form now at least, the oil price looks well behaved with Saudis talking about increasing supply.

The easing doesn’t look like it was cause problems in the oil market , at least in the short term.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 30, 2024 10:38 am

GreyRanga on the Mancravers Football Club:-

I don’t know but do the mancravers have local feeder clubs, I imagine not. There are no grass roots support. Grass roots support is what gets you through the lean years just like love and family.

This is the problem for the AFL in the Northen States.
Unless they put the thumb on the scales (salary cap concessions, easy draws) and keep those sides in finals contention every year, the supporters drop off big-time.

Indolent
Indolent
September 30, 2024 10:50 am

They just sent another $8B to Ukraine but what are they doing about a natural disaster at home? Nothing, as far as I can see, apart from asking people to make contributions.

@Cernovich

They let Maui burn, they let Asheville drown, can the country survive four more years of this?

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 30, 2024 10:53 am

The US election is the big question mark though at least for the US markets.

?And for the survival of Western Civilisation, such as it still exists.

JC
JC
September 30, 2024 10:55 am

Because nothing is being reported yet on the official Mullah news channel, they are false?
Don’t you think it’s worth waiting a little while, because last time we were told the same thing immediately after.

Cassie of Sydney
September 30, 2024 10:56 am

Since October 7 we have seen people openly support Hamas and Hezbollah on our streets. They have been given license by Labor, the Greens, a lazy complicit media, and our politicised police. We are now seeing men and women openly shout ‘death to Jews’. I know the trajectory of Jewish history, first they start with verbal threats and then, and then……………….we know what happens.

I no longer believe this country is safe for Jews. At the next election we have a clear choice….

Peter Dutton or the grub from Grayndler.

I know Dutton’s not perfect but he’s a helluva lot better than the Jew hating grub from Grayndler and his Jew hating comrades.

Tom
Tom
September 30, 2024 10:57 am

This is the problem for the AFL in the Northen States.

Unless they put the thumb on the scales (salary cap concessions, easy draws) and keep those sides in finals contention every year, the supporters drop off big-time.

Ahem. Sydney Swans chairman Andrew Pridham was on the radio last week boasting the Swans are “Australia’s most popular sporting club”, regularly selling out the 50,000-seat SCG and playing off last Saturday in the grand final.

I think the Swans are perfectly executing their business plan in the Sydney theatregoing market: play finals regularly, premierships not compulory.

I heard this week that, as Swans coach, John Longmire has lost six grand finals and won only one. I rest my case.

Rosie
Rosie
September 30, 2024 10:59 am
JC
JC
September 30, 2024 11:01 am

Cassie

I totally agree with your concerns. However, look at what’s going on. Israel is beating the living shit out of these dirtbags to the point where the proxies have become the laughing stock of the MidEast.

Their cries of death to Jews is now a cry of desperation because of what’s going on in the MidEast.

Let them cry out, so we see who they are and the broad Australian population is repulsed by these vermin.

alwaysright
alwaysright
September 30, 2024 11:03 am

And for the survival of Western Civilisation, such as it still exists.

Too late she cried!

Western Civilization entered a terminal phase when the Dems stole the last election. There aint no coming back from that.

MatrixTransform
September 30, 2024 11:12 am

Pesutto: blah blah blah

Barrister: dude, you need to answer questions honestly and stop all the obfuscation

Matrix: you’re a very naughty boy, aren’t you?

JC
JC
September 30, 2024 11:15 am

LOL.

Translation. I don’t give a shit.

Saudi Arabia‘s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that he does not personally care about what he referred to as the “Palestinian issue”, according to a report in The Atlantic.

Fire away, Bibi.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 30, 2024 11:15 am

The American cartoonists all seem to be getting the message at last.

Kamala is a train wreck.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 30, 2024 11:16 am

The PFLP joins the chat…

Elimination in Beirut: Three senior PFLP terrorists killed in explosion (30 Sep)

Media in Lebanon report explosion in the Al-Kola district of the Lebanese capital. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine: Three of our senior leaders were killed in an Israeli attack.

Does seem to be open season right now.

  1. Shame I’m on Keto right now, because this calsl for a brekkie of .. Whisky Porridge, double shot!!

  2. The PFLP joins the chat… Elimination in Beirut: Three senior PFLP terrorists killed in explosion (30 Sep) Media in Lebanon…

  3. The American cartoonists all seem to be getting the message at last. Kamala is a train wreck.

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