Open Thread – Mon 18 Nov 2024


Will-o’-the-wisp, Arnold Böcklin, 1862

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
November 18, 2024 6:23 pm

Is there a British Newspaper that is reporting the Starmer cover up that is even partially honest?
Ta.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 18, 2024 6:29 pm

NSW might not be quite as bad as Victoria, but by jingo its pretty close.

I have recommended elsewhere that the NSW Police motto should be changed from the now clearly outmoded ‘Culpam poena premit comes’ (Punishment swiftly follows crime) to one adapted from something the Emperor Tiberius supposedly said – ‘Let them hate me, so long as they fear me’.

We get:

Oderint nos dum metuant nos

When Robert Peel created the police in London he recognised that they could only really operate with the consent of the community. The public would heed, the public would help. They had to trust the police officers and believe that they meant to benefit the people of the community.

I think the various police forces have squandered that good will. We have seen them too often attack the public with seemingly no qualms whatsoever.

That is the image they have now.

I don’t like what I see as real crime or the people that commit them. But after seeing police manhandling people to pull masks on their heads or pepper-spraying old women already on the ground, I less identify police with justice.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 18, 2024 6:35 pm

Reposted for excellence:

When Robert Peel created the police in London he recognised that they could only really operate with the consent of the community. The public would heed, the public would help. They had to trust the police officers and believe that they meant to benefit the people of the community.

Covid wrecked it. For the first time in history, with the notable exception of traffic cops, the police went after citizens instead of crooks.

It’ll be 50 years or more before that stain is erased, if ever – and if I was a betting man – which I am – I’m backing never.

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Boambee John.
Boambee John.
November 18, 2024 6:43 pm

Casey has not only refused to concede, but has notorious election fixer Marc Elias doing everything he can to steal the election.

But, but, but, mUnturd has assured us that election fixing never happens.

Miltonf
Miltonf
November 18, 2024 6:46 pm

One of the grubbier grubs- they really are low life grifters.

Sean
Sean
November 18, 2024 6:48 pm

Woke up this afternoon and noticed that Alan Jones was on all news feeds. It sounds like bulldust, but it’s probably a distraction from US politics.

Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 6:49 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Worm meds

This is, again, about repurposed drugs for cancers.

Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 6:51 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 7:01 pm
Crossie
Crossie
November 18, 2024 7:09 pm

What mystifies me the most about the arrest of Alan Jones are the reports that police had a search warrant. To search for what? If they had enough proof to arrest him what did they expect to find in his home? It just doesn’t make sense, Alan is not a bank robber.

Frank
Frank
November 18, 2024 7:12 pm

Gaetz just resigned from the House to avoid publicity for raping a victim of child sex trafficking, and to take up the position of US Attorney General

Can’t remember the name of that Google employee whose phd thesis was about providing safe spaces for underage gay men to explore their sexuality. With mentoring from the older queens.

Perhaps Monty can refresh the memory since he was all over it, in a fawning way.

calli
calli
November 18, 2024 7:13 pm

It looks like someone leaked the arrest to the press also. Maximum humiliation desired.

Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 7:14 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 18, 2024 7:18 pm

Check this out!

These two are living the dream. Filmed up North In West Oz. I don’t know where exactly.

The squid meal Fran cooked up … I’ll take notes. I have not had squid in ages.

——

Strick and Fran.

Camping On The Ocean in Remote Australia

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Frank
Frank
November 18, 2024 7:20 pm

Further to Gaetz, the charges were dropped in 2023. At least according to the viciously hyper right wing organ; the BBC.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 18, 2024 7:26 pm

In honour of the last fight of HMAS Sydney’s 19 Nov 1941 anniversary, here’s a look at some analysis of how a WWII cruiser worked I did for my book The Sinking of HMAS Sydney.
 
A sub-title of the work is “how sailors fought, lived and died in Australia’s Greatest Naval Disaster.” The world of a big warship is a fascinating picture of a huge machine with humans filling some crucial roles:
 
Branches, number of personnel, and duties
 
Branch                                     Number                                   Duties
 
Seaman 256                          Gunnery and torpedo
Stoker 130                              Use and maintain machinery
Telegraphist 26                    Wireless communications
Chief and Petty Officers 25                                Supervise seamen and engineering
Supply 17                                Stores and victualling
Ordnance artificers 11                       Maintain armament
Sick berth 7                            Medical and dental
Wiremen 10                           Maintain and utilise ship’s hawsers, cables
Cooks 20                                 Self-explanatory
Officers’ stewards 21                         Catering for officers’ quarters
Butcher 1                                 Self-explanatory
Signalmen 18                        Use and maintain lights, flags
Aircraft crew 4                      Self-explanatory
Shipwrights 7                        Maintain all parts of ships
Painter 1                                  Maintain all parts of ships
Joiner 1                   Maintain all parts of ships
Plumber 1                               Maintain all parts of ships
Bandsmen 13                        Self-explanatory
Engine room Artificers 21                 Maintain and operate all engine spaces
Blacksmith 1                         Self-explanatory
Electrical Artificers 6                           Maintain all electrical equipment
Writers 5                                  Carry out all clerical work
Canteen staff 3                    Operate ships canteen
Physical Training Instructor 1                           Oversight all physical training
 
While the above gives a picture of the type of rating aboard Sydney, it is not complete. There were also “non-substantive ratings”, as McKee’s analysis of the RN includes: “Diver, Gunlayer, Seaman Torpedo Man, and Physical Training Instructor”.
 
A sailor could also pick up extra pay for being a sub-specialist in a speciality area, for example as George Hatfield did as a diver:

“We had a couple of days diving Nov 15th and 16th. There are holes in the ship’s bottom which are outlet valves for pump discharges. In dry dock the valves on the inside can be stripped and overhauled. In the water the holes have to be plugged to stop the compartment being flooded. We plugged a few of these then examined the propellers. Diving in the tropics is very hot and strenuous even below the surface, for the water temperature is around the 90 degrees. I had a dip of 46 minutes and should collect a couple of bob extra for that.”
 
In summary, a WWII cruiser was a huge and vastly complex fighting machine. From here we pass to some simplified explanations of the various weapon systems and areas of specialisation, such as engineering, flying and so on. Many of the extracts from letters and diaries have the ratings and officers’ own words used to describe their wartime experiences, so the reader can slowly build more complexity into the understanding of cruisers.

chrisl
chrisl
November 18, 2024 7:27 pm

Sometimes there are people in the community that have the right combination of circumstance, enthusiasm, passion and means to be a fantastic contributor to society.
We had one such person in Ric , who converted his shearing shed to a movie theatre and hosted all manner of community groups to a day at the movies. All monies raised went to a local hospice.
Unfortunately Ric passed away last night. What he did was unique and irreplaceable.
You never know what you’ve got till it’s gone

Cassie of Sydney
November 18, 2024 7:36 pm

I would like to commend Peta Credlin tonight for her calm, reasoned and decent opening where she spoke of the Alan Jones’ allegations (and allegations they are). Credlin didn’t seek to distance herself from Jones. She and Jones are old friends, they have known each other for over 20 years. As she said, these allegations are what they are….’allegations’, untested and unproved.

I don’t doubt that numerous Liberal lightweight dickheads will run a mile from any association with Jones even though every Liberal PM over the last thirty years and every NSW Liberal premier owe their election victories to Jones. But as we know, most in the Liberal Party are gutless cowards and like rats fleeing a sinking ship, they will distance themselves from any association with Jones.

I must tell you all, as someone raised to respect the Police, my loathing for the NSW Police (and other police forces, be they here in Oz or the UK) cannot sink any further, in fact there’s isn’t a trench deep enough on this planet that could contain my loathing. Without a doubt the NSW Plod informed the media before Jones arrest, so as to further humiliate him.

This same police force, I will remind everyone, that gave a personal escort from Town Hall down to the Opera House to a rabid group of frothing, foaming Jew hating leftists and Muslims so they could screech, scream and shout….’Gas the Jews’ (and yes, that was said), ‘f*ck the Jews’ and most chillingly…’where’s the Jews’.

As for that ugly, ugly mediocrity Karen Webb, the less said the better but I must remind all that she was a Liberal government appointee. The Liberals are despicable. Every time I see Webb on television I get sudden onset nausea and need to reach for a bucket in case I vomit, such is the revulsion I feel. Webb is nauseatingly sickening. I wasn’t surprised to read how (allegedly) Webb has racked up quite a few bills for some gin, given her vile appearance and mannerisms, she straight out of Hogarth’s Beer Street and Gin Lane print from the 1750s.

This Jones arrest is both a Pell and Spacey Redux. I note that above someone made reference to how costly Pell’s legal fees were. Well, the legalities ate into everything Pell had, he was left with almost nothing. It’s good Jones has deep pockets and he’s employed some very good counsel but this will destroy him, and that of course is the goal. The left have always loathed Alan Jones, because he’s a conservative homosexual, because he’s opinionated and the left hate those opinions, and because he speaks to and for the masses. Ya see, you are not allowed to be a conservative homosexual, you are not allowed to have opinions the left don’t approve of and you are not allowed to speak to and for the masses. That’s what Jones is guilty of.

If you don’t toe the line you will be destroyed, except of course for President elect Donald Trump. Trump fights, even moments after an assassin’s bullet scraped his ear, he was pulled from the ground fighting. It’s time we did the same. I’m not going to diss Alan Jones because of some allegations, as with Pell, Trump, McLachlan and others, this is an ideological assassination.

Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 7:51 pm
calli
calli
November 18, 2024 7:53 pm

I don’t know what to make of Bolt’s monologue on Jones.

If Credlin was strong (and she was), Bolt damned him with faint praise.

Cassie of Sydney
November 18, 2024 7:58 pm

If Credlin was strong (and she was), Bolt damned him with faint praise.

Agree 100%, I switched Blot off.

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
Lawgi Dawes-Hall
November 18, 2024 8:02 pm

Steve trickler
 November 18, 2024 7:18 pm

Filmed up North In West Oz. I don’t know where exactly.

It looks awfully like the Montebello’s. There are a few flat islands like that in the Kimberley’s but none with coves within coves that I can recall.

Cassie of Sydney
November 18, 2024 8:03 pm

Everyday I visit my mother in hospital. Tonight when I was preparing to leave she cried, asking why she couldn’t go home.

I caught the bus home and I cried all the way.

Tom
Tom
November 18, 2024 8:07 pm

Blot has learned nothing. He still craves the approval of the activists who loathe him — the ultimate gutless coward’s coward.

Roger
Roger
November 18, 2024 8:10 pm

Donald Trump and the age of sovereign internationalism

For all his flaws and dysfunctions, Trump has served as a catalyst — forcing the old establishment to confront its contradictions. His presidency underscores the emergence of a new paradigm where sovereignty, national interest, and the desire to be free from technocratic control increasingly take precedence. Crucially, this shift should not be viewed merely through the simplistic lens of left vs. right; rather, it is best understood as a more fundamental moment — a quasi-spiritual reckoning for the West, grappling with the kind of moral order that will define its future.

This conflict pits two competing visions against each other: on one side, an authoritarian framework — a top-down, imposed order championed by a transnational, anti-democratic administrative state; on the other, a resurgence of sovereignty, a defence of human agency, and a return to the values of freedom and self-determination. As articulated through these movements, sovereign internationalism attempts to redefine international engagement by affirming national interests and independence rather than subjugating to unelected global bureaucracies.

RTWT

No prizes for guessing which vision Albanese & Co. [& Starmer] are backing. Otoh, I don’t think the Gliberals grasp what’s at stake at all; they are the contemporary iteration of Donald Horne’s second raters.

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 18, 2024 8:16 pm

Ive found a clip of the documentary the UK government used to justify its new tax grab on farmers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pDTiFkXgEE

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 18, 2024 8:25 pm

Cats watching Ukraine for the last 2 years may be able to answer my question about the war, which has arisen in response to the ATACM greenlight.

Why is it that when Ukraine fires into Russia this will be hailed as the start of WW3, but when Russia fires into Ukraine it is NOT considered the start of WW3? Why the apparent double standard?

bons
bons
November 18, 2024 8:25 pm

I love the B4 movement.

Keep p*ssing into wind girlies!

Indolent
Indolent
November 18, 2024 8:36 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 18, 2024 8:38 pm

Crossie

 November 18, 2024 7:09 pm

What mystifies me the most about the arrest of Alan Jones are the reports that police had a search warrant. To search for what?

Nothing.
It’s all part of the gaslighting street theatre.
This has a strong whiff of the Pell play-book about it …
– Multiple “victims”. Most of which won’t make it to a trial but this is a “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” exercise to poison the well of any potential jury pool. Note the use of the word “victim” as a synonym for “complainant”.
– Continuous reference to “child sex crimes unit”. FMD. One of the complainants was 17, but this is designed to leave the impression of kiddy fiddling in the minds of the public.

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calli
calli
November 18, 2024 8:42 pm

Chin up, Cassie. Many here have walked this sad, hard path and it isn’t easy. It’s the price we pay for love.

Keep your friends close and lean on them. That’s what they’re for.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 18, 2024 8:44 pm

Victoria Police makes first doxxing investigation arrestAlexi Demetriadi
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Victoria Police has made its first arrest as part of an investigation into a mass doxxing of Jewish creatives in February in which more than 500 Jewish community members had their personal details leaked online.

calli
calli
November 18, 2024 8:45 pm

I was remembering the harassment of Pell and the perp walks he was forced to make. Jones had a bewildered expression on his face, possibly not expecting the baying zoo awaiting him.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 18, 2024 8:47 pm

SBS:

Following extensive inquiries, strike force detectives executed a search warrant at a unit in Sydney’s Circular Quay, where they arrested the 83-year-old at about 7.45am

What? A search warrant?

For what? Forensic evidence from 30 years ago? Nah. I have heard it said that you’ll get a DNA sample taken after arrests of this type. No search warrant required. Apparently.

Perhaps it was for Jones’ diary entries – ‘Dear Diary, today I put my finger into an Olympian’. Spare me.

Hopeful nonsense, enabled by a complicit judiciary who would have had to sign off on said search warrant.

A big, tall, glass of nope.

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Black Ball
Black Ball
November 18, 2024 8:58 pm

Tim Blair:

Australian malcontents are always importing terrible ideas from the United States.

Global warming panic, identity politics, electric vehicles, theatrical anti-Trumpism, the notion that blokes can have babies – these all kicked off in the US before landing here.

This trend extends even to online abuse. When local leftists sneer at their social media opponents, they often use US-derived insults, referring for example to people who live in their “mum’s basement”.

By and large, of course, Australian houses don’t have basements. It is worrying that our leftist friends, who grew up in Australian houses, evidently never noticed this.

So they import another Americanism and force it into an Australian circumstance. Sort of like Aboriginal rap music – or that Raygun lady’s kangaroo-hopping, culturally-appropriating attempt at break dancing.

But Australia is taking its revenge. Instead of importing pointless embarrassment, we’re proudly and successfully exporting it.

Americans are now participating in Australian-style “welcome to country” ceremonies.

Their versions are called “land acknowledgments”, but they otherwise seem just as earnest and procedural as our original presentations – which have been a traditional Indigenous ritual since 1976, when a welcome to country was first performed by TV presenter Ernie Dingo and musician Richard Walley.

For those who doubt the historical depth of this compelling origin story, 1976 was the same year that Abba’s Fernando was Australia top-selling single. Ancient times. The Dreamtime’s dawning. Before most Aussie families even had colour TV

“Land acknowledgments have become increasingly common nationwide over the past few years,” the US National Public Radio network reported in 2023.

“Many mainstream public events — from soccer games and performing arts productions to city council meetings and corporate conferences — begin with these formal statements recognising Indigenous communities’ rights to territories seized.”

They’re performed at soccer games and arts events. From this we know exactly what types of people are pushing these “land acknowledgments”.

Interestingly, some senior US Indigenous figures aren’t impressed by imported Australian racial rites or the way they are presented.

“If it becomes routine, or worse yet, is strictly performative, then it has no meaning at all,” Kevin Gover, a citizen of the Pawnee Nation of Oklahoma, told that NPR program. “It goes in one ear and out the other.”

This is also true here. A mate who works for a state government department in the bush is exposed to at least four or five messages every day about “paying our respects to traditional owners” and so on.

Several tribes are mentioned. In one ear, out the other; nobody can remember any of them.

It could be that the US is getting in on land acknowledgments just as Australia is getting out of them. A turning point may have occurred in April 2023, when Aboriginal activist Marcia Langton vowed to abandon welcome to country ceremonies if the Yes vote didn’t deliver an Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

“I imagine that most Australians who are non-Indigenous, if we lose the referendum, will not be able to look me in the eye,” Marcia Langton told The Weekend Australian.

“How are they going to ever ask an Indigenous person, a traditional owner, for a welcome to country? How are they ever going to be able to ask me to come and speak at their conference?

“If they have the temerity to do it … the answer is going to be no.”

At the time of Langton’s vow, the Yes vote was leading in opinion polls by about 60 per cent to 40 per cent. Within a few weeks polls were level at 50-all. The No vote eventually won by more than 20 percentage points.

Marcia didn’t miss.

Here’s another kiss of doom. US popster Taylor Swift, whose endorsement of Kamala Harris didn’t stop her losing to Donald Trump, last week decorated the stage at a Canadian show with a sign saluting “the Mississaugas … the Anishinaabeg, Haudenosaunee, Chippewa, and Wendat … the First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples”.

Good for them. But here’s the fun part. When left-leaning white shame-spreaders profess their guilt and pity to Native Americans, they do so in the apparent absence of recent crucial information.

They’re showing profound reverence for … Trump voters.

“Nationally, a whopping 65 per cent of Native American voters went for Trump,” New York’s City Journal reported last week. Politico observed: “In the Great Plains, the Mountain states, across the Southwest and even in North Carolina, Trump delivered standout gains.”

It’s time for a new ceremony. Welcome to Trump country.

Outstanding as usual.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 18, 2024 9:01 pm

Lawgi Dawes-Hall
November 18, 2024 8:02 pm

Steve trickler
November 18, 2024 7:18 pmFilmed up North In West Oz. I don’t know where exactly.

It looks awfully like the Montebello’s. There are a few flat islands like that in the Kimberley’s but none with coves within coves that I can recall.

Cheers.

I’ll give Google Earth a squiz.

I’d like to be there camping on a beach with adequate food and water for a week, minimum … maybe two. Perth sucks. I need a break from this traffic congested disaster of a city.

  1. Note the use of the word “victim” as a synonym for “complainant”.Par for the course I’m afraid. Both prejudicial and…

  2. Lawgi Dawes-Hall November 18, 2024 8:02 pm Steve trickler November 18, 2024 7:18 pmFilmed up North In West Oz. I…

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